http://www.myfoxphilly.com/clip/10649291/sports
Eskin droppin' bombs
Monty was forced out
Middleton now owns 48% and is angling to become majority owner
Gillick will be president
Howard is probably gone and they'll eat almost all $61m
Utley to first?
Asche to left?
Hamels to be dealt? Cubs and Red Sox want him bad
Yes!
Who Cares?
Fine - He' 124 years old but he's not one of the Phillies' old guard.
Good riddance.
Meh.
LOL
Buh bye.
none of those things will happen
eskin is the fraud of frauds
so the only thing true about eskin's report is that middleton owns 48%
also one of the buck brother's kids is going to be the new monty. his name is david buck or something. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this organization will never, ever get it.
Wait...The Chief was wrong?! No way
oh wait it turns out this david buck is not related to the shady buck family that owns part of the team.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/10/jayson-stark-and-mike-missanelli-gleefully-refute-howard-eskins-report.html
This is getting good
What is in any way remotely good about that?
Bitchy sportswriters gleefully refuting the rant of an over-the-hill know-nothing douchebag? Oh, yayyyyy! So exciting!!
:puke
the best part of that was stark saying howard is done...good riddance choke
stop linking to crossingbroad...i hate giving page views to that douche bag
yeah i refuse to go to that site
i hate him anyway but i cant stand how hes a whore for the flyers and despises the sixers
im beginning to think you might more of a homer for the sixers than anyone else is for anyything else ever in the history of the world
no i hate super white people way more than i love the sixers
i actually like all four philly teams equally
under no circumstances do i believe that
also the phillies cut sean o'houlihanmcsullivanconnor or whatever that mic's name was. sorry romey.
its true
the difference is there is nothing to hate about the sixers right now an theres no games that have anything riding on them so negative cynical miserable reverse psychology wanna kill everyone after a loss havas is not necessary
its almost like they are so horrifically bad right now that they are good
Or no need to wanna kill everyone after a win Havas either
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 06, 2014, 06:57:05 PM
its true
the difference is there is nothing to hate about the sixers right now an theres no games that have anything riding on them so negative cynical miserable reverse psychology wanna kill everyone after a loss havas is not necessary
its almost like they are so horrifically bad right now that they are good
lol jesus
theres a million things to hate about them....you are just love them under any and all circumstances. again you were worshiping the ground of jeru the djama holliday. come on.
theres nothing to hate about them right now...they are pointed strongly in the right direction and the games dont mean anything...so what to get mad about?....sounds to me like you are a hater way more than im a lover
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2014, 06:58:14 PM
Or no need to wanna kill everyone after a win Havas either
lol...true....again the games have to mean something to get upset
if you want to get upset read the zolecki roob piece
jesus what a buffoon
No.
cliffs notes please
The Braves' Director of International Scouting (Johnny Almaraz) is joining the Phils, replacing Wolever
QuoteAccording to CBS Sports' Jon Heyman, "people close to" A.J. Burnett believe the 37-year-old right-hander will pitch in 2015.
out of pure spite for amaro, i hope he comes back.
If he pitched to his career averages they still wouldn't have broken .500. This team is done until the Big 5 are gone. And even then they still have years of rebuilding before they contend.
The bad news is Amaro is still the architect. I could almost stomach a 5 year rebuild if they would just fire that farghead.
$17.5m or whatever is tough to turn down
Yay
Quote from: Rome on October 09, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
If he pitched to his career averages they still wouldn't have broken .500. This team is done until the Big 5 are gone. And even then they still have years of rebuilding before they contend.
welcome to 2012 romey
Yeah, but the sad thing is it didn't need to be this way. Smarter decisions and selective upgrades and this team could be 10-20 games better than they were. farg, the Cardinals did exactly that and look at them. The Giants aren't world beaters in any sense of the word, yet they have two trophies and are on their way to a possible third.
This is on Amaro and that feeble farghead ownership group that is more concerned with keeping asses in the seats than anything else.
yes and no
the phillies were unlucky in the sense that all of their good players were basically the same age...i.e. they all got old at the same time. they traded away all the guys behind them, but none of them were really any good.
so even if they dont sign howard and dont sign utley or whatever, theyd still stink. what player that they traded away turned out to be an all star? all the stupid free agent signings (ibanez, lee) cost them their first round picks, which werent even in the top 20 anyway. basically, the writing was on the wall in 2007. this was always going to happen...amaro just prolonged it.
i agree they care more about attendance than doing what is right for the franchise....it was going to happen no matter what but their hang on by a thread mentality at all costs has set the rebuilding process back years...horrid scouting hasn't helped either
but I dont think its fair to compare the phillies now versus those franchises....where the phillies come up miserably short in comparison to sf and stl is in the fact that their golden years produced one title while sf and stl have multiple....you cant be a 130 year old franchise have your best 1b 2b and ss of all time all simultaneously be in their prime never leave and only win one title
that core HAS to win more than one ring they didn't and that's on the players
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 09, 2014, 07:03:15 PMthat core HAS to win more than one ring they didn't and that's on the players
yup
amaro gets destroyed and rightfully so...hes an idiot. but he did everything he could to win with this core and they responded by losing in the playoffs. cant blame him for that.
Bull farging shtein.
He traded Victorino and he won a World Series with Boston. He traded Pence and he won with the Giants, this after trading half the minor leagues for him in the first place. He let Werth walk. He traded Cliff Lee for nothing and spent a farging fortune on Fat Joe. He traded for Roy Oswalt. He had a chance to jettison Dom Brown and held onto him like he was the farging Rosetta Stone. He overpaid Ibanez and he laughably overpaid Papelbon (bidding against himself). He extended Choke, Utley, Chooch & Rollins when any other general manager would have said, thanks for the memories, but buh-bye. He could have used 21st century scouting techniques including advanced metrics, but ended up evidently using a wet index finger in the wind player selection method instead.
I could go on, but why bother? Amaro is at fault for all of this, ultimately. He could have made dozens of other moves that could have kept them contending longer.
Mic drop for Romey
Boom
not really
nobody builds a dynasty buy buying free agents or swinging the right trade....you have to draft and develop a core. they already had one. they didnt have another one coming. really the only revisionist history you could do, in terms of not having an awful product right now, is to draft and develop completely different players than the ones they invested in (this would be ideal).
i wasnt absolving amaro of blame for the current state of the team. he sucks. but the core was getting older and there was going to be a natural down period. the difference, as stated above, was amaro's incompetence turned it from 2-3 years to 5+
there was one with the cardinals. they missed the playoffs in 2010, then luckily made it in 2011 and happened to win a world series because theyre the cardinals and good things happen to them. no team is going to be great forever. youre good, you try to win, you take a step back, youre good again. the phillies held on too long, is all.
im with you all the way on amaro romey but you were all in on paplebon and werth got one of the most ridiculous contracts ever
actually the contracts had nothing to do with why the suck....the phillies print money. i know everyone gets all worked up when pro athletes make all this cash but its just fair market value. calm down.
anyway, again, here's why the phillies suck:
1. when they were winning nl east titles, they didnt draft and develop talent
2. the talent that they did develop was traded away for players to help the MLB team win
there
lol at werth getting fair market value
you do realize there is such thing as paying above a players market value...that bullshtein cliché about a player is worth whatever someone is willing to pay him is not true
I absolutely was all in on Papelbon.
And I was wrong.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2014, 12:55:15 PM
lol at werth getting fair market value
you do realize there is such thing as paying above a players market value...that bullshtein cliché about a player is worth whatever someone is willing to pay him is not true
Yep
who cares what they get paid...really...fair market or not. the reason the phillies suck isnt because they threw a ton of money at papelbon and howard.
fair market value!!
Not re-signing that bearded flag wasn't the wrong decision. That contract was and remains absolutely moronic and he's in no way, shape or form worth it. Not adequately replacing him is the problem and that's entirely on Amaro.
Quote from: Rome on October 11, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
Not re-signing that bearded flag wasn't the wrong decision. That contract was and remains absolutely moronic and he's in no way, shape or form worth it. Not adequately replacing him is the problem and that's entirely on Amaro.
If I remember correctly, the free agent pool for right fielders wasn't overwhelmingly deep that year, which is in part what led to Washington throwing a ton of money at Werth. I also believe it was later that season that he traded for Pence, wasn't it? So you can't really say that Rube didn't find an adequate replacement.
Quote from: Rome on October 11, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
Not re-signing that bearded flag wasn't the wrong decision. That contract was and remains absolutely moronic and he's in no way, shape or form worth it. Not adequately replacing him is the problem and that's entirely on Amaro.
fair point. though again, IF they resigned werth they would pretty much be in the same spot, save for having singleton, cosart and santana (though roob likely would have traded singleton for something stupid, since he was blocked by howard who hadnt even started his 5/125 yet).
again, i know it drives you crazy when pro athletes make a ton of money, but the phillies have more than enough cash. what they dont have is an adequate minor league system, and you cant buy that.
It doesn't bother me at all. They wasted money on over the hill talent. If they had spent it wisely on productive guys you wouldn't hear a peep out of me.
The Angels spent a kings ransom on Pujols and Hamilton yet they still made the dance because they spent money elsewhere wisely. And drafted wisely too (Millville represent).
so youre saying the phillies need to draft good players?
Jerome Williams, 1 year deal. Yes, feeling it.
QuoteAndy Martino of the New York Daily News hears from "people involved in the process" that the Phillies are "strong contenders" for Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas.
The Phillies appear to have strong interest in Tomas, as general manager Ruben Amaro, Jr. flew to the Dominican Republic to personally scout Tomas. While the Padres and Dodgers have been mentioned as possibilities, Martino hears that they are "far less likely" as potential landing spots. The Tigers have also been added to the list of potential suitors, which includes the Twins, Giants, and Rangers, among others. The Mets and Yankees are not expected to be players for the 23-year-old outfielder, who could end up with a $100 million contract.
i knew this was gonna happen
these cuban player situations are 1000% bidding wars. the players have no say in where they go, nor do they even know what city is what (save for the yankees). their handlers decide it, and their handles want money. out of the big market teams with bloated tv deals and more cash than they know what to do with, the phillies are the ones with (3) open spots in the outfield. think about it.
the yankees have gardner and ellsbury, red sox and dodgers have 100 guys, cubs need to spend their money on pitching, angels have hamilton and trout, mets are a farce. its just the phillies. YASMANY!
i havent read up on this kid really. is he worth the coin they'd have to pay ?
it's not my money and there's no other reason to get excited about the Phils...so why not
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2115336-how-hyped-defector-yasmani-tomas-compares-to-recent-cuban-phenoms#articles/2115336-how-hyped-defector-yasmani-tomas-compares-to-recent-cuban-phenoms
no doubt on that SD.
i'm in.
at least hes only 23....but im OUT...they don't need anymore huge wasteful contracts....develop your own players over the next 5-7 years and take your chances....theres not a doubt in my mind this ends badly for the phils...because see heres the thing....if the phillies get him you know its because hes not that good and the bidding wasn't a war....yet still somehow they will overpay for him
QuoteOverall, Law contends that a reasonable projection for Tomas would be an "average to slightly above-average regular in left field, with 25 to 30 homers, a low OBP and below-average defense."
McDaniel also is skeptical of Tomas' hit tool and wonders whether or not it will affect his power frequency in the major leagues, writing: "Scouts think that inclination and bat speed will lead to a 45 or 50 bat (.250-.260 average, .320-.330 on-base) and the question is if that will be enough to get his 25 homer power in games, or he ends up being a platoon bat."
its definitely a risk but its just money...and they have loads of it
hes not blocking anybody, hes not going to ruin their title hopes. they really have nothing to lose, other than 100 million dollars of jon middleton's money.
and again the bidding war belongs to the phils because of circumstance that i explained. they really are competing with themselves for him, so long as the yankees are truly out.
plus who the farg do the phillies have to develope ?
Quote from: smeags on October 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
plus who the farg do the phillies have to develope ?
no one right now.....but thats the point....because your system currently sucks isnt an excuse to go out and reach for a cuban defector....they need 5 years or so to build up their system.....over bidding cause roob somehow thinks they can win now is the exact thing they shouldn't be doing....this thing should be done the right way and that's gonna take tons of patience and year and years
that said i have no idea what the money is going to be....so if this kid costs 30 mil for four years or somewhere in the ballpark of what a middle of the road mlb free agent would take to get then whatever who cares....but i suspect this kid will be massively overpaid by the phillies
Sign Yasmany AND trade for farging Yoenis from Boston. Word is they wanna deal him.
you are worse than roob
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
you are worse than roob
lol...houston definitely thinks they can win the world series next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2014, 04:23:19 PM
because your system currently sucks isnt an excuse to go out and reach for a cuban defector....they need 5 years or so to build up their system.....over bidding cause roob somehow thinks they can win now is the exact thing they shouldn't be doing....this thing should be done the right way and that's gonna take tons of patience and year and years
actually it is
yasmany is 24....theyd be signing him for when hes 27 or 28, when they project to be good again. and again its just money. hes not blocking anybody. they dont have a corner OF to develop anywhere close to the big leagues. again theres nothing but money to lose on him...if it doesnt work it wont hurt their chances of doing anything else.
its like the papelbon deal. stupid but irrelevant.
Sign everyone!
Quote from: Rome on October 22, 2014, 07:13:14 PM
Sign everyone!
they actually could, to an extent. the salary year to start focusing on is 2020....who the phillies pay between now and then means nothing. you have to look at when aaron nola, franco, jp crawford, and whoever they trade hamels for as being FAs around that year. thats when the money starts getting real.
All they need to do is eliminate Howard, Rollins, Utley, Chooch, Papelbon & Lee's deals and they're back in contention just like that!
they need to eliminate the players, not the contracts
i know its tough for old people to understand this but the phillies have an obscene amount of money and can spend tons of it
I don't know... I'm a fairly smart guy. I think I can count to a gazillion.
Hey if you don't wanna go get Yoenis to go with Yasmany...then trade Hamels to Los Doyers for Yasiel
the farg is up with the latino folks and the letter Y?
you dont understand
the phillies suck
Adding one/two of the Y's would make them suck less
im all for yasmany
trading resources for another homer-or-bust corner OF with 1 year left on his contract makes absolutely no sense. puig is intriguing, in that hes 23! 23! but hes crazy. i cannot see los doyer dealing him, so its moot.
get your mind off 2015 and on 2020. you do it with the sixers, who are an embarrassment, why not here?
Beltran, Victorino and Pence has a nice ring to it.
Jon Lester is available and Roob signs John Hester instead. Yep, he's from Stanford
ok, so we're unanimous on yasmany.
next subject - who needs to be traded ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2014, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: MDS on October 22, 2014, 11:29:33 PM
im all for yasmany
hes. not. good.
yea you have no clue. niether do i.
again they can burn 100 mil without breaking a sweat. if he stinks it wont hurt them.
Nah...never mind. They shouldn't sign him.
Keep HOF.
id easily rather have HOF at a few million over the next few years than this guy for 100 million
Why?
In the famous words of someone I know...it ain't your money
you cant just be throwing around 100 million bucks to a possible platoon player because "its not your money"
if this was a once in a lifetime player then id say fine do it
it matters because if you cake this guy off and he sucks then you have tied up a position with a salary...the phillies aren't going to give out a monster deal to a guy and then when he sucks just say oh well lets sign another player to replace him its just money....its a terrible and untenable way to do business...even the yankees and red sox dont give out multiple 100 million dollar deals to the same position because one of the guys sucks....and when they give out huge deals its to proven players
throw in the fact that the phillies arent going to be good for years and years it just makes no sense to over pay this guy
By 2017 they'll be rid of the horseshtein deals and will probably in a positive position to contend again. He'll be all of 26 then.
What else are they going to spend money on the next 5 years? Not like they have a bunch of their own free agents that are must signs. Don't see the downside to this
i personally wouldnt give out any big or long term deals to anyone for at least two years
but if i was i certainly wouldnt give 80 to 100 mil to an unproven player who people arent very high on
if this was a puig or cespesdes type cuban prospect then ok ill do it...or as I said if this is minimal money and you wanna take a shot like they did on gonzo for 10-20 mil then fine whatever go for it
They should go get Puig or Cespedes too.
world series in 2015?
even the president admitting they will suck for the next 3 years isnt stopping J from dreaming of a title
you can make up this brand of homer
How many games did the Giants win last year?
please stop trolling
The answer to my question please sir...
if youre trying to compare the giants to the phillies then you belong in a mental institution
Why?
I mean am I missing the star studded Los Gigantes line up?
They're piecemealed together. Belt? Crawford? Blanco? Sandoval? Hudson? Peavy?
Please.
joe maddon leaving tampa
blank check please
He'll probably be the manager of Los Doyers
Or Cubs - that's what Olney thinks
not the dodgers, they dont have a new gm yet plus they are keeping matingly according to reports.
Freidman, ex-TB guy, replaced Colletti in LA
hes from some pennsyltucky town like an hour or two from the city....hes not philly but its the closest thing to home
the phillies arent an attractive job by any means, i mean they just admitted they wont win for 2 years (more like 5), but maddon is one of the best in the game and if you can get him you should. he would also be a media darling, fans would adore him. also contributing: sandberg sucks.
Cubs and Mets are the faves according to Passan and Rosenthal
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 24, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Freidman, ex-TB guy, replaced Colletti in LA
like i said. they just hired the guy from tampa. :paranoid
lol
well now reports are saying that it won't be Chicago, LA or NYM so this'll be good to see where he ends up
rhino is a perfect manager for the phillies now and going forward.....pos manager for a pos team....once they replenish the system rid the contracts and get to where the cubs are now then you go for a top flight guy...which is why chicago would be the perfect place for maddon now
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2014, 04:15:24 PM
rhino is a perfect manager for the phillies now and going forward.....pos manager for a pos team....once they replenish the system rid the contracts and get to where the cubs are now then you go for a top flight guy...which is why chicago would be the perfect place for maddon now
makes sense, but if you can get maddon now and hes willing to manage a terrible team for 3-4 years, you do it
Maybe he's tired of managing zesty teams?
Because 2008's team was crap remember?
it was the greatest and most memorable world series in history
go around the country...they still cant stop talking about it. your favorite team won! everyone is so happy!
Probably should've just canceled it like '94
maddon wants 5/25...seems fair. dip into that comcast tv money and do it.
Quote"We have a manager," Ruben Amaro Jr. said this afternoon. "Ryne Sandberg is our manager."
So no plans to speak to him?
"Like I said, we have a manager," Amaro said.
thats not a no!
Dismissive, arrogant, worthless piece of shtein.
They have a general manager too. Fire that fargface.
in that jimmy s piece, roob not so secretly put the blame on monty
still waiting for the total hit piece once he gets back from cancerland
Rollins shares the Roberto Clemente Award with Paul Konerko. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20141026_Rollins_named_co-winner_of_Roberto_Clemente_Award.html)
pour one out for the 2008 fightins.....six years ago today
why bother, it was faux championship remember ?
im not asking you to celebrate the championship....im asking you to mourn the death of that team
they died in 2011
j is still feeding the corpse. "here you go, jimmy. fresh greens. a healthy boy has to eat!"
lolol farg off dick
cespedes!
Yasmany and Yoenis in 2015 bitch
this is one of the most amazing comments ive ever seen....
Quote"A lot of it depends on the needs of the clubs," Amaro said. "A lot of it depends on the flexibility that we have - and can have - as far as dollars and cents are concerned. And our priorities. Our priorities now are a little different than they were in July. We made the decision, it's time to make a shift."
monty is OUT
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=280943482
Jesus farging Christ -- The Phillies Way in handbook form?!?!?!?!?
Amazing.
And I'm happy to know HOF is a part of the focused upon young core.
why would he not be.....with the team in purgatory for the better part of the next half decade why not give him another year or two to make 100% sure what you got
unless he puts you over the top in a hamels deal there's no sense in trading him
he's not blocking anybody and it's not like you're going anywhere
They left out the subtitle.
The Phillies Way: How to Turn $176 Million Into 73 Wins
^^^ :-D
How nice is it to see that 29-year old Ruf will be part of the youth movement
Someone send Amaro and email and say there's a prospect he needs to see in Liberia immediately
j you in on brett anderson?
Sure why not?
good god
lol would you let me get the lil guy worked up please? Jeez!
you are doing no such thing
hamels-lee-burnett-anderson-jerome99ripwilliams
revere-jimmy-utley-tomas-cespedes-choke-ruiz-asche
world series 2015
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2014, 01:40:32 AM
lol would you let me get the lil guy worked up please? Jeez!
lol....my bad
Maybe 2016....let's get Amaro fired first and then it's go time
roob is getting an extension
there's no way to judge him on 15 when they know they cant win....whatever trades he makes cannot be evaluated for 2-3 years. so if he was gonna go, hed be gone by now.
Brian Bogusevic and Darin Mastroianni have been added to the OF mess
Who?
darrin ruf?
Ricky Jordan?
Another star Cuban is available. Get um (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/100370044/cuban-prospect-yoan-moncada-petitioning-for-free-agency)
If he's declared a FA now but is still subjected to international spending limits, the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Rangers and Rays are all out.
Quote from: MDS on November 02, 2014, 01:42:12 AM
you are doing no such thing
hamels-lee-burnett-anderson-jerome99ripwilliams
revere-jimmy-utley-tomas-cespedes-choke-ruiz-asche
I drink, I drink and I continue to drink.
According to the Phils website, Burnett declined his player option and became a free agent. Great news if true
Until Amaro is fired this thread should be locked.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 03, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
According to the Phils website, Burnett declined his player option and became a free agent. Great news if true
I could care less if hes gone but why is it "great" news
It frees up $13M to spend elsewhere
Extension for Papelbon
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 03, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
It frees up $13M to spend elsewhere
they shouldnt be looking for any big contract free agents and they can easily afford small ones
lol i love easy....spend the 13 mil on max scherzer, right?
Quote from: Rome on November 03, 2014, 05:59:52 PM
Extension for Papelbon Howard
Remember, this is Amaro. Big Piece may become a free agent sometime this century. Better tie him up now.
Scherzer's the only FA I'd want but he makes no sense for these guys right now. It's just an extra $13 to use on a better bench, another SP, another OF, whatever, instead of wasting it on AJ who sucked and had no interest in staying here
easy can the phillies win the world series next year....yes or no. answer.
farg no
relive the magic
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/8877464/v36706719/rollins-highlights-phillies-top-moments-of-2014/?c_id=phi
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=281659001
Cubs want Hamels
Which three top prospects should they ask for?
bryant and almora
im all about bats. bryant is a beast and may not be good enough for 3B. you have a pretty decent dude set for third now and a giant hole at 1B. it makes way, way too much sense. plus hes just about ML ready.
almora would need to go to reading or lehigh, but good centerfielders are very difficult to find on the open market. top line pitching and corner outfielders can be had. so id need to have him.
@Matt_Winkelman: Jesse Biddle in Puerto Rico tonight 2.1 IP 7 H 7 ER 2 BB 4 K, that is not good
hes such a pos loser....if hes a mental midget in the minors when 0 people care how will do in the big house
local boy done BAD
Tomas update (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies-meet-with-Yasmany-Tomas-agent-.html)
Article on "The Cuban" being a legend in the Dominican already (https://sports.vice.com/article/yasmani-tomas-the-next-cuban-mlb-star-is-already-a-legend)
Maybe... just maybe they finally are starting to get it? (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/rival-exec-phillies-trying-blow-whole-thing)
key part of that...and its encouraging....its that they are listening in on giles
the phillies of 2 seconds ago would never do that
Yeah so good they'd trade Giles.
No.
2019 giles, not 2015. by then his arm will be in shambles. everything with this team is about 4-5 years from now.
you accept a sixers rebuild, accept one for the phillies.
Trading a young player is not smart. Don't argue.
that doesnt make any sense....giles wont be young in 2019 which is the 1st year they could be good again.
if they can flip him for a bat and an arm you do it. obviously the price should be high, and likely never met. so its just #hotstovetalk
@MarcFarzetta: USA today reporting the Royals are interested in Ryan Howard. Now back to the #Eagles.
jerrod dyson?
hes ben revere with an arm
I'd take him in a second.
Yordano too?!
throw in eric hosmer?
Don't forget Brandon Finnegan.
Now we are cookin with grease!
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/96234/source-mets-investigated-rollins-as-option
This would have been a goddamn travesty. Thank you for saying NO, Jimmy.
holy shtein I don't even know how id survive that
Pimp in Washington and Jimmy as a Met?
I would lose my mind.
I love me some pimp but don't ever mention him and jimmy in the same sentence again
I am not comparing them as players...just the fact of having to deal with them going to division rivals.
Jimmy leaving period will be a terrible day (cue lil guy's response....) but to go to the Mets? NO
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 11, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
I love me some pimp but don't ever mention him and jimmy in the same sentence again
word
lol never in a million years would jimmy go there
cubs talking to igy's nats about jzimm
ruben amaro, smugly asleep at the wheel yet again
signed Jeff Francoeur to a minor-league deal. Go team
Elvis Araujo was a minor league free agent.
Ruben Amaro just signed him to a major league contract. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-sign-elvis-araujo-major-league-deal)
6'6", 23 years old, supposedly throwing 97 this winter in Venezuela.
Highest level he's reached is AA (18 games last year). He does have options remaining, but he's on the 40 man roster.
its a good move. they have a 3-5 year period to make these low risk/high reward type moves. their 40 man is horrible and devoid of talent, so what the hell.
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=282612851
Do they sign him?
Will they pay $100m?
So AJ Burnett gave up $4 million to leave the Phillies and re-sign with the Pirates.
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/local/phillies/burnett-re-signs-with-pirates-for-million-less-than-phillies/article_323c47de-6c46-11e4-a7b0-07cf40de8bc4.html
lolol
King says Choke is being sued by his mom, dad and twin brother because he cut them out of the family "corporation" that handles all finances when he married the Eagle cheerleader. He also says the Phils will buy Choke out completely and let him walk for nothing if they can't find a taker
Hmm...well that's an interesting tidbit. Nothing like some family drama!
OUT on yasmany
wanting to do something big seems like a good reason to spend a hundred million bucks
QuoteJason Stark: Yasmani Tomas bidding in furious progress this week. Exec of one club says to bet the mortgage on the Phillies:"Wanting to do something big"
It's a good thing Burnett walked so we have all this extra free money for the next Abreu
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/11/20/phillies-still-favorites-for-tomas-or-not/
Murphy thinks all of this smoke means the Phils are close
cheese (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Yasmani-Thomas-Phillies-Cuban.html)
the wiley rooben amaro
Does anyone actually care if they blow a bunch of money on this future bust (if the Phillies get him) or not? Are millions of Phillie fans waiting with bated breath for word of their Cuban savior?
I like how this is how the Phillies organization tries to amp up its fans. How about amping us up with competent general managing?
Competent ownership really.
They're the ones who won't fire the clowns who keep Amaro in power
im against signing him but no I really don't care either way...if they do get him I will take much pleasure in laughing at the Phillies fans who are get real excited about it
you get really excited about a basketball team that will win 3 games this year
tomas could be a middle of the order power bat....hes 24....this is pretty much the only possibly exciting thing they might have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
im against signing him but no I really don't care either way...if they do get him I will take much pleasure in laughing at the Phillies fans who are get real excited about it
Are there Phillies fans who are really excited about this? The average fan has no farging clue they're trying to get this guy, the hardcore fans I've seen don't seem too excited. I say farg it, get the guy, at least it gives me a reason to be interested next season. Smart move would be sign the guy, then unload the rest of the veterans for prospects. Next thing you know you have young players to watch and not a bunch of dinosaurs with bad contracts/knees.
all real Phillies fans know about the guy and the homer contingent of them which is fairly large will def be excited....shtein the lil guy will be excited and hes not even a phillie homer
you have to be a true hater to not be somewhere between exciting and very intrigued
nobody thinks tomas is going to be great...there's no way of knowing...but it will super interesting to see what he can do.
I have zero faith that a guy roob signs will be good...but even with that if the team was an OF away or even if they had a great foundation and were adding to it id be excited...but nothing about a cuban who neither the yankees or red sox are interested in excites me at this point in time
the red sox have 10000 outfielders and the yankees dont have a spot for him, either
youre looking at this like a pessimistic hater. the phillies are a joke run by a moron....but maybe just maybe this kid can play. its the 1 thing to look forward because lord knows the next 5 years wont be fun.
sorry buddy....I don't give a shtein about this guy and ill be shocked if hes any good....Phillies are dead to me until they put some talent in their system and revamp their entire player evaluation department
k to da j!!
Even if by some miracle he can play, I'm still not sure I care. If Mike Trout magically appeared on the team tomorrow, it'd be just one piece out of quite a few pieces that they still need to be a contender.
Just like Dom Brown, maybe Amaro should learn how to hit some singles before swinging for the fences.
yea no shtein
but you gotta walk before you crawl...they dont even have a core....they have basically nothing coming up. its yasmany or nomany.
QuoteRight-handed pitcher Paul Clemens, along with catchers Koyie Hill and Rene Garcia, as well as infielders Chris Nelson and Cord Phelps will participate as non-roster invitees at spring training in February.
CSNPhilly or something. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-sign-chris-nelson-4-others-minor-league-deals)
Can you feel the excitement?
yasmany 6/68.5 to the farging dbacks
hes probably going to suck but 68 mil is nothing....god damnit amaro
Amaro fail.
Jesus spend the goddamn money
amaro is "not disappointed"
i am "disappointed" he's still alive
theres a reason the dbacks got him cheap
I told you all he stinks
id be willing to going 69 mil on a whim
its 69 mil
.01% of the tv deal
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Only thing missing is RAJ's head in that blender.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 27, 2014, 02:15:12 PM
Only thing missing is RAJ's head in that blender.
Oh, wait, that's actually a watermelon? I thought it was a symbol for his mushy brain. Damn.
Moyer won't be back next season. He wants to stay out west with his family
That experiment was a disaster last year. Moyer wouldn't shut up and Stairs has mush mouth. I actually felt sorry for T Mac at times.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 28, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
That experiment was a disaster last year. Moyer wouldn't shut up and Stairs has mush mouth. I actually felt sorry for T Mac at times.
With the MLB.tv package, you can use the radio announcers. I did that a lot, along with at least an inning or two of the other teams' announcers. More if it was a good crew.
Did whole games with Vin Scully. Never know when that will end.
Moyer/Stairs were so bad I missed sarge. Still wish the radio crew would get the gig.
Quote from: SD on November 28, 2014, 08:52:43 PM
Moyer/Stairs were so bad I missed sarge. Still wish the radio crew would get the gig.
Hell, just let it be simulcast.
Quote from: SD on November 28, 2014, 08:52:43 PM
Moyer/Stairs were so bad I missed sarge. Still wish the radio crew would get the gig.
Well said. They made me miss Sarge, too. Just Sarge.
QuoteThe Phillies invited Yasmany Tomas to their Dominican Republic complex in September for a private session one day after the Cuban slugger showcased his talent in front of nearly 200 scouts. The Phils were the first team to make such an overture. Their attraction to Tomas was a logical one, given the team's plans to rebuild.
Industry pundits labeled the Phillies as a favorite for the 24-year-old outfielder's services. But Tomas agreed last week to a deal with Arizona for $68.5 million without ever receiving an offer from the Phillies, his agent said.
Jay Alou said Monday the Phillies showed constant interest but never submitted a formal contract offer. Alou believed Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. had to "clear salary" before making a substantial commitment to Tomas.
"His hands were tied," Alou said.
love this team
i actually like it because this is the wrong time to be spending money....but i dont think thats why they are doing it....they are doing it because they have a self imposed spending ceiling versus this being some sort of rebuilding philosophy
Ruben Amaro Jr. is in charge of the reconstruction.
That's all you need to know about how royally farged this team is.
I wouldn't let Amaro spend any more money, either.
the fact that roob was all in on this kid and arizona ended up with him is all you need to know about his prospects
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=284924741
Depressing
you are slowly catching up to where everyone else was 3 years ago
congrats
(http://www.nextbigwhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/startupgraph_thumb.jpg)
The third stage is called "Crisis of Meaning". You're past scared. You feel despair. It's as if you're standing on the edge of a cliff ready to jump, and you begin to think "Today the rollercoaster's going off the bottom of the track for the very first time." You feel helpless and you're both terrified and frozen.
ALL ABOARD!
basticho for sean coyle being discussed, but there might be more to the deal
coyle is from bucksco, went to GA
was in AA last year. hes 22.
likely seen as a 2B, but can also play 3B
.295/.371/.512, 16 HR, 13 SB
QuoteScouting Report: Small frame, but muscular build. Well-filled out lower body and strong core. Compact swing. Generates plus bat speed with a quick load and strong hands. Level swing path. Average power potential. Ability to pull balls hard into the gap to produce doubles. Approach needs refinement. Tends to chase elevated fastballs and struggle with balls on outside third. Swing needs work producing more plate coverage. Struggles driving balls to the opposite field. Solid-average hit tool, but swings and misses too much presently. Slightly above-average speed. Fundamentally sound defender with a solid-average arm. Soft glove. Average range. Controls body well. Improving footwork around the bag turning double plays. Will have to watch body developing too much bulk muscle. Ceiling of an everyday regular at the major league level. Began working out at third base in 2014 spring training. Shows a solid arm at third base. Good footwork.
Rube's boss:
QuoteRuben didn't all of a sudden get dumb. People don't want to hear this, but there were five years from 2007 to 2011 and the last year in 2011 we won 102 games. He didn't all of a sudden get stupid the last three years.
Today's other rumors besides ODB: Baltimore has interest in Byrd, and the Phils plan to be "aggressive" in Thursday's Rule V draft. Delino DeShields Jr...get um
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/12/09/zolecki-pat-gillick-said-no-to-yasmany-tomas/
crustly old man gillick strikes again
its not 1985 anymore you fossil
Reading that shtein made my brain hurt. Not because I care about the phillies signing or not signing someone, but because those quotes and that writing might as well have come from a five year old. Jesus Christ. How do sports 'journalists' live with themselves?
comfortably if they sold out to be a talking head douche on tv, angrily and bitterly if they didnt
How about learn to write like a professional and then you don't have to sell out. How about that. Or maybe just stop pretending to be a writer and move back into your parents' house while you get a degree from the local community college in something you're good at. Like Janitorial Sciences.
joc pederson
or
mookie betts
who ya want
Time to familiarize ourselves with Boston's minor leaguers because now that Lester is a Cubbie Amaro has leverage on Boston.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Phillies in active discussions with #Dodgers on Rollins. @JonHeymanCBS reported that Rollins would waive no-trade for LAD.
Nooooooooooooooooo!!
Who else in that system is worth it besides Peterson? Doubt they'd be able to get that much for Jimmy.
bye bye jimmy. this should be good around here.
Good = bad
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago
Source: Rollins deal to #Dodgers close, but players not all agreed upon. Trade could involve a third team.
I might need some help making it through the day.
it was overdue
farg that - he deserved to wear only one uniform...and retire a Phillie.
corksucking bitch ass Ruben Amaro can die in a goddamn fire
http://imgur.com/lCio34B
wouldve been nice jay but not realistic. top 2 philles player ever. non pitching
It can and should have been realistic. WTF are they going to get in return? Nothing much.
So let him play his days out as a Phillie like he wanted to.
But no...because that farging icehole GM ruined this team he has to dismantle it.
2 young pitchers. Hoping one is Zach Lee
basticho goes to Pittsburgh
hes better off anyway. gets another chance to make a run at a title. in disgusting dodgers blue but good for him.
starks said its zack lee.
now find a way to ship hamels and Utley off.
Quote from: smeags on December 10, 2014, 05:41:15 PM
sstarks said its zack lee.
Stellar AAA season he had.
Bum.
i wanted it to happen, when it did i was hurt, but ive come around to being happy for jimmy
this isnt about you and your childhood fantasies. this is the big boy world. the phillies suck. jimmy has maybe 2 years left. hes better off enjoying them.
you need some tissues jay ? cmon man you're more upset then jimmy is.
He was no Ivan DeJesus, that's for sure.
this is the guy they got back for tony b. i dont know.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rodrig001joe
Ok guys...how many more seasons do you think Rollins has left in the tank. I don't know anything about baseball anymore...so, what should I look forward to? Isn't he injury prone?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 05:33:13 PM
It can and should have been realistic. WTF are they going to get in return? Nothing much.
So let him play his days out as a Phillie like he wanted to.
But no...because that farging icehole GM ruined this team he has to dismantle it.
i don't really believe he wanted to end his career as a total loser. of course he said that because he's awesome but i'm sure he's cool with this. smell ya later buddy.
So who will be first-pitch-swinging and popping out to shallow left field now?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 05:46:26 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 10, 2014, 05:41:15 PM
sstarks said its zack lee.
Stellar AAA season he had.
Bum.
LA's #4 prospect entering the season, 22 years old in AAA, potential #2/#3 like Nola. Still haven't seen confirmation that he's the guy though
Chuggie...
I'd say minus-2.
Thanks Romey, you're a big help.
starks said the dodgersnmoved their aaa team from albuquerque because the stadium made Coors field look like a pitchers dream.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 10, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
So who will be first-pitch-swinging and popping out to shallow left field now?
his name is freddy galvis
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 10, 2014, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 05:46:26 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 10, 2014, 05:41:15 PM
sstarks said its zack lee.
Stellar AAA season he had.
Bum.
LA's #4 prospect entering the season, 22 years old in AAA, potential #2/#3 like Nola. Still haven't seen confirmation that he's the guy though
only thing i can say for him is the PCL is a disaster of pitchers. new team, new year, new spot, new hope. about as a high a ceiling guy as youre gonna get for an aging shortstop.
Rollins is cooked as a prime time performer. He has been for several years now. He's still a serviceable Major League shortstop from an offensive standpoint and better than average in the field. He's going to fit in just fine with the Dodgers, Chuggie. He's not the answer to anyone's prayers, though. He is what he is - a guy coming to the end of his career.
in reality if you wanted jimmy to stay a phillie you must have hated him. this team is torture.
Quote from: Rome on December 10, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
Rollins is cooked as a prime time performer. He has been for several years now. He's still a serviceable Major League shortstop from an offensive standpoint and better than average in the field. He's going to fit in just fine with the Dodgers, Chuggie. He's not the answer to anyone's prayers, though. He is what he is - a guy coming to the end of his career.
he had the 3rd best WAR among SS in the NL last year....he's still very good. likely will need 1-2 DL stints because, you know, hes 35 or whatever, but he had a really strong year in 2014. and his defense barely lost a step.
id say los doyer are getting a pretty good 1 year rental, since he's just a stop gap until corey seager is ready. wonder what gang jimmy will join. how else will he fit in with the fans?
Quote from: Rome on December 10, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
Rollins is cooked as a prime time performer. He has been for several years now. He's still a serviceable Major League shortstop from an offensive standpoint and better than average in the field. He's going to fit in just fine with the Dodgers, Chuggie. He's not the answer to anyone's prayers, though. He is what he is - a guy coming to the end of his career.
Ok, cool, kind of what I thought. Maybe during his time here, the Dodgers farm system can produce some good prospects to replace him.
That guy always did bad things to us in the playoffs...so...maybe, if the Fraudgers have anything left in them...he can help us out.
Damn. You know it has to happen but still sucks to see an all timer go.
Quote from: Munson on December 10, 2014, 06:25:24 PM
Damn. You know it has to happen but still sucks to see an all timer go.
it does. im watching CSN and its sinking in. still happy for him though.
What's worse is he went to an NL team. At least it ain't the Mets or Cardinals but still
If they're willing to trade the heart and soul of this team they've finally come to the realization that the 2008 era is over.
Am I "happy" he's gone? farg no. I love the guy but I'm happy this team has come to grips with reality. I'd be happier if Amaro was busy walking on the face of Venus, though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4h9GB9CEAAyagS.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
What's worse is he went to an NL team. At least it ain't the Mets or Cardinals but still
Holy shtein get a hold of yourself.
I will be at that first dodgers game here.
I hear somebody boo when he comes to the plate the first time I may commit assult.
nobody is going to boo, drama queen
drama queen ? coming from you mdiva ? :-D
There'll be booing by the funholes who ripped him while he was here. I will help fund your bail money Sean.
Quote from: Rome on December 10, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
What's worse is he went to an NL team. At least it ain't the Mets or Cardinals but still
Holy shtein get a hold of yourself.
No!
utley might be going, too
hold tight
May as well trade him and Hamels too
Why not?
His Gritness is the longest tenured player with one team now
So that'll change soon
@TBrownYahoo: In course of Rollins conversations, Dodgers and Phillies also discussed Chase Utley, according to source. Now Dodgers have traded their 2B.
send all three back to cali.
Gelb thinks some of the players in the Dee Gordon/Dan Haren Miami deal (which included the Marlins' #1 prospect Andrew Heaney) could end up here. Supposedly Rube is throwing cash into the deal to get a better pitcher back
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
May as well trade him and Hamels too
Why not?
lol what? they gotta keep hamels for the big playoff run
Anyone checked on havas? Little worried
Jimmy deserves to be in the HOF. I'm glad they're moving on but it sucks seeing him go.
Just so long as they don't trade Dom. He's the heart and soul of this team.
The Dodgers already flipped Heaney to the Angels for Howie Kendrick then signed Brandon McCarthy to a 4-yr deal
uh oh J....Brett Myers is trashing your boy on Twitter
QuoteBackWoodRebel39
Rub a HOFamer the wrong way and u gone. It's about the team not the individual! #PhilliesFireSale
I think Sandberg wants team players not ones that act bigger than the game
If they wanna win u have to get gamers! Guys that care more about winning than themselves and the money. The way it use to be!
The game has changed it started happening about 4 years ago I'm glad I'm home with the family cuz I'd lose my mind playing now
Don't get me wrong he brings it every day! He's just more about himself it's always been about Jimmy
I'm conflicted!!
Myers on JRoll crime!
QuoteIf they wanna win u have to get gamers! Guys that care more about winning than themselves and the money. The way it use to be
Lol....did he really tweet that? Because he sounds like an 80 year old dude. I also like how he thinks that his playing days were the golden years when guys didn't care about the money and we're all team first.
back in the good ol days when you could beat your wife in public and it wasn't a big deal.
lol at myers - just stfu. #backwoodswifebeatingdouchebag
I'm not so sure he's wrong about the whole team. They've played like dead men walking the last three years. It could be age or the fact they have no talent around them but they're just unbearable to watch for us. Imagine having to play in those conditions.
its all because they didnt have a wife beating hillbilly
without that leadership, it all fell apart
im not disputting anything myers said romey - i just dont need to hear something from him that is obvious to everyone but jay.
btw - anyone hear from igy ?
Looks like the two pitchers the Phils are getting are high-A/AA kids, righty Zach Eflin (the Padre pitcher LA just got in the Matt Kemp deal that was a 1st-rd pick in 2012) and lefty Tom Windle (LA's 2nd-rd pick last year)
They also picked up two guys in the Rule V draft: SS/CF Odubel "David" Herrera (TEX) and LHP Andrew Oliver (PIT)
QuoteJayson Stark @jaysonst 1m1 minute ago
Source familiar with Jimmy Rollins deal says teams still aren't sure what exact final makeup of trade will be, amazingly enough.
lol
so he got traded for ..................................something
Best guess would be a deaf centerfielder with a coke problem, a Canadian pitcher, and some Mexican lefty.
A minor leaguer, a minor leaguer, and a future minor leaguer.
traded for 3 draft picks in 2035 ?
wait, wrong team.
Quote from: smeags on December 11, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
so he got traded for ..................................something
We hope.
2 A ball pitchers named something white and something whiter
i understand it but god damn thats just....JIMMY
I'm still pissed about Jimmy being traded. Unless he asked to be traded to a contender, then dealing him is just dumb. I seriously doubt they get anyone in return who will be making legit contributions to this team 3 years from now. Dealing him just to deal is dumb. If anything, they should have waited until the season got underway. Maybe a contender loses a SS to injury, or it's a position of weakness that needs an upgrade. He'd probably have more value in July than he does now.
Hinkie Magic >>>>>> Amaro Tragic
Why make him suffer through more of the same?
He's earned one last shot. Think Daulton.
rollins always controlled when he was going to be moved. it wasnt going to happen before he got the hit record and waiting until next season's trade deadline doesnt guarantee you anything better in return.
Quote from: Rome on December 12, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
Why make him suffer through more of the same?
He's earned one last shot. Think Daulton.
I'm happy for him to be out of this cesspool of a franchise, but I still hate seeing him go....especially since he has such little trade value.
If Jimmy asked to be traded to a contender, that's cool. But I think that if he was traded as part of a rebuild, then it's a pointless move since they likely aren't getting legit talent in return.
I saw someone say that Jimmy said other than the Doyers he would have only accepted a deal to the Yanks.
So I doubt he asked for the trade - he said he wanted to stay in Philly.
Yeah, he's lying. He wanted out of there because no one, much less someone like Rollins, wants to play for a dreadful team that's out of it before the first frost hits the pumpkin in the offseason.
Quote from: Rome on December 12, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
Yeah, he's lying. He wanted out of there because no one, much less someone like Rollins, after they break the club's all-time hit record, wants to play for a dreadful team that's out of it before the first frost hits the pumpkin in the offseason.
fixed
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2014, 03:48:43 PM
I saw someone say that Jimmy said other than the Doyers he would have only accepted a deal to the Yanks.
So I doubt he asked for the trade - he said he wanted to stay in Philly.
no he didnt...thats why he's gone. he said OK to the deal. the phillies have asked him before and he said no. for whatever reason, he changed his mind.
just be happy for jimmy that he has a chance to win now. even if it means rooting for a team with a fan base made up exclusively of vato gang members
pretty sure chuggie's given up the gang life now that he's found scientology.
QuoteThe Phillies offered the Orioles Ryan Howard in a package with Marlon Byrd, according to Roch Kubatko of MASN Sports.
That matches up with an earlier tweet from Andy Martino of the New York Daily News saying the two sides had talked about Howard. The Orioles balked at the offer, likely due to Howard's inclusion. The Phils owe Howard $50 million over the next two seasons and would presumably like to unload that contract if at all possible. Whether they'll find any takers remains in question.
its downright comical
It's like the Phils are trying to slip a mickey to their trade partners.
Mickey Morandini?
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/assembling-coaching-staff-one-of-rays-big-decisions/2210168#comments
The Phillies have a chance at winning the World Series - as much as the Astros, anyway... (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-worst-vegas-world-series-odds-say-so)
150-to-1.
Speaking of the Astros
They're interested in Hamels
Yeah but they're not giving up George Springer for him, so who cares.
padres are also a bit of a sleeper
red sox make too much sense...but they could easily wait until the deadline and maybe just pick up lee then for much, much less. nobody in the AL east is that good, and boston should be fine until the deadline. if they still need hamels then, he will still be available.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-phillies-fan-julie-kramer-featured-on-ellen-as-she-battles-cancer-then-mocked-by-radio-host-chris-st-20141217-story.html
Sounds like the Kemp deal could be unraveling
So what happens to the Jimmy deal then?
It would also unravel. Or Rube would just complete the trade for some other zesty player, and Zach Eflin would go on to have a HOF career on the Padres.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 17, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Sounds like the Kemp deal could be unraveling
So what happens to the Jimmy deal then?
Replace Eflin with Zach Lee
Kemp has arthritis in both hips
Rollins trade official. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/its-official-phillies-trade-jimmy-rollins-dodgers)
The Phillies get:
Zach Eflin
10-7, 3.80 at Lake Elsinore (California League A) last season.
Tom Windle
12-8, 4.26 at Rancho Cucamonga (California League A) last season.
i'm interested in seeing how nola and crawford make out next year.
That's a nice return for a one year rental.
rafael furcal on the radar
kevin jordan up next
Wonder if Grit goes to the Yanks now?
Grit for Eovaldi?
I just threw up in my mouth a little:
QuoteWith Rollins gone, the Phillies will likely use Freddy Galvis and Cesar Hernandez at shortstop.
Maybe Steve Jeltz can come out of retirement?
All I know is, Crawford better be the real deal.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 19, 2014, 02:03:15 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little:
QuoteWith Rollins gone, the Phillies will likely use Freddy Galvis and Cesar Hernandez at shortstop.
Maybe Steve Jeltz can come out of retirement?
All I know is, Crawford better be the real deal.
yeah thats why i want to watch crawfords progress. is he getting bumped up to AA yet ?
he hasnt yet but will sometime in 2015 if he progresses
wouldn't be surprised to see nola as a September call up this year and who knows maybe even earlier
crawford and franco will probably start in AA, so long as they arent total disasters in the spring. so will nola.
i actually like galvis...i realize he cant hit but give him some at bats to find out HOW much he cant hit.
Galvis will be hitting .062 and mds will defend him
you think the eagles are winning the super bowl this year.....i want to give someone with no extended playing time in MLB a chance to play on a horrible team going nowhere
discuss
Eagles in the playoffs = a chance
Galvis playing short is fine -- better than Furcal
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/jimmy-rollins-looks-back-time-phillies-ahead-future
:-[ :'(
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 19, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Eagles in the playoffs = a chance
Galvis playing short is fine -- better than Furcal
let me put it this way
galvis had a better shot of developing into an everyday 2B than the eagles do of winning the super bowl
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 19, 2014, 05:01:24 PM
Galvis will be hitting .062 and mds will defend him
lol...pretty much....I was gonna post something similar before but didn't have the strength
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
galvis had a better shot of developing into an everyday 2B than the eagles do of winning the super bowl
i have little faith in the eagles as you know....but freddie galvis has negative % chance to be a legit everyday 2b and its not even a close comparison...unless you are saying freddie galvis will start at second base everyday for the phillies
@975TheFanatic: Ruben Amaro w/ Mikey Miss on Ryan Howard -"It would probably be better for the organization to move forward not with him, but without him."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 19, 2014, 09:01:56 PM
@975TheFanatic: Ruben Amaro w/ Mikey Miss on Ryan Howard -"It would probably be better for the organization to move forward not with him, but without him."
BREAKING NEWS
Hard hitting mike miss
Made lil guy wet tho I bet
He also said grit is coming back. Made it seem like he wants to end his career as a Phillie where as Jimmy wanted one more chance at a title. Can't blame either player but I'd rather part with Utley while he still has some value.
Quote from: SD on December 19, 2014, 09:04:03 PM
He also said grit is coming back. Made it seem like he wants to end his career as a Phillie where as Jimmy wanted one more chance at a title. Can't blame either player but I'd rather part with Utley while he still has some value.
different situations
rollins wants to play beyond his current contract and is not moving from SS. jp is coming, and coming fast. the phillies wanted to do it now so they could get something for him. pure business move. jimmy wanted to win another title, LA had a hole at SS...it just made sense. plus he had a tradeable contract.
utley does not. his knees dont work, his production had beyond declined. he plays a premium position not everyone needs. he's a much tougher guy to trade. but if the right deal comes up, they and he will do it. odds are it wont.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
galvis had a better shot of developing into an everyday 2B than the eagles do of winning the super bowl
i have little faith in the eagles as you know....but freddie galvis has negative % chance to be a legit everyday 2b and its not even a close comparison...unless you are saying freddie galvis will start at second base everyday for the phillies
victorino was a rule 5 guy unwanted by the dodgers twice and the phillies once....you never know with guys. baseball takes minimal athletic ability. its a much harder sport to judge talent on. its very easy to say "player x" will suck because player x generally sucks...mostly everyone fails at being good at baseball.
do i expect galvis to be good? no. do i expect him to be a major leaguer? no. does he have a great glove? yes. does he have some semblance of pop in his steroid? sure. do they have anything to lose by giving him extended at bats? NO.
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2014, 12:42:27 AM
Quote from: SD on December 19, 2014, 09:04:03 PM
He also said grit is coming back. Made it seem like he wants to end his career as a Phillie where as Jimmy wanted one more chance at a title. Can't blame either player but I'd rather part with Utley while he still has some value.
different situations
rollins wants to play beyond his current contract and is not moving from SS. jp is coming, and coming fast. the phillies wanted to do it now so they could get something for him. pure business move. jimmy wanted to win another title, LA had a hole at SS...it just made sense. plus he had a tradeable contract.
utley does not. his knees dont work, his production had beyond declined. he plays a premium position not everyone needs. he's a much tougher guy to trade. but if the right deal comes up, they and he will do it. odds are it wont.
Thanks for your groundbreaking insight I didn't know any of this stuff before
from the greatest phillie ever.... :'(
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5Tfe0RIEAEAnu-.jpg)
Quick everybody... Line up to argue with IGY about Rollins being the greatest EVER!
Wish desean Jacksons personality was more like Rollins. Damn shame
From that conference call the other day:
"I hope to accomplish a number of more things in whatever uniform I'm wearing. But my career and accomplishments and me becoming who I am all happened in one uniform."
Nobody knows who submitted the $5M bid that was accepted by Korea for SS Jung-Ho Kang, but the Phils might be the team that got it
to clarify its 5 million to negotiate with him....not to sign him
also I was reading last week that he might not be a shortstop over here
yea he's 27 and he would be the 2B
they got money to play with and all the time in the world to figure shtein out.
nats are probably the team anyway....they need a 2b bad
could be....but i want to see the phillies do something, anything, and i guess a korean infielder counts as that?
He will probably suck.
yeah he sounds like garbage
distinct possibility
but what the hell, i mean really
yeah what the hell since he will come cheap
sign six of him for all I care
thats why the tomas thing made 0 sense. sure he will suck, but what the hell?
the phillies have 2 players on their roster who MIGHT be a part of the team in 3 years -- asche and franco. they can take risks with random cubans and orientals.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Source-San-Diego-has-talked-about-Hamels-trade.html
lol
QuoteThe Phillies, meanwhile, have an embarrassing lack of outfield talent both on the big league roster and in their minor league system
does the name kelly dugan mean nothing to you?
The Hernandez Bros 30 for 30 was on this afternoon. So good.
Pittsburgh won the rights to negotiate with the Korean. Whatever...
Steve Carlton turns 70 today. Seventy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdGRSDQaj1s
Ah, the baby blue road unis. Sweet.
Fav unis
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/j-roll-john-middleton-aspires-be-steinbrenner-south
Wandy Rodriguez signed.
Sounds like a minor league deal
playing for the phillies is a minor league deal
Lol good point
Nah.
When you're in the minor leagues, you have something to look forward to.
reading fightin phils gonna be off the hook this year
eflin
windle
biddle
nola
crawford
quinn
there's like...maybe one above average player there. PROGRESS
biddlolole
who is worse---biddle or hof brown
HOF cause there was a time when an idiot like me called him HOF
biddle was always a joke
he was actually pretty solid in A ball
thats basically as good as it gets for ruben amaro prospects
awesome local baseball prospect goes to the angels
horrid local baseball prospect goes to the phillies
Costanzo was a local too and he sucked.
Maybe we will get Trout when he's 44yrs old like Moyer
to be fair, the phillies never had a shot at him...and they forfeited their 1st round pick that year to sign raul ibanez's corpse
but they seem to get the crappy local products and miss the big ones. that reggie jackson fellow from CHELTENHAM is another one. but hey, mike costanzo!
Well they should've never signed Ibanez
they could have had the first 25 picks in the draft and they still wouldn't have taken him
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
they could have had the first 25 picks in the draft and they still wouldn't have taken him
i know you hate roob...who doesnt....but stop
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 26, 2014, 10:55:21 PM
Well they should've never signed Ibanez
lol....you are mr. win at all costs all the time no matter what
now you dont want them to sign a LF that helped them win 3 divisions because an 18 year old outfielder from millville was taken before their pick wouldve come up
Don't rain on my parade here, pal
Quote from: MDS on December 26, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
they could have had the first 25 picks in the draft and they still wouldn't have taken him
i know you hate roob...who doesnt....but stop
I don't hate him I just know he would never make a good pick
that shtein ended with arbuckle leaving
hate to break the news to you but the major league gm doesnt have an enormous amount to do with scouting
hes basically is the CEO....hires the boots on the ground....but roob isnt going to bumblefarg, virginia to see scooter mcgee pitch. he's just reading the report, viewing some video and begrudgingly trusting what he's told. and i think you know the phillies organization well enough that monty never fires anybody and marty wolever failed up the food chain.
basically the phillies suck
gillick had everything to do with his teams winning....as does every gm
get the farg out of here with that nonsense
also isn't gm billy bean your hero
Pretty much...their scouts suck and the scouts bosses suck
Middleton needs to plan a coup de tat
I guess gillick brought all his Toronto scouts to philly with him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 26, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
Pretty much...their scouts suck and the scouts bosses suck
Middleton needs to plan a coup de tat
in short...this. its amazing how long they've gone without producing a good ML player. and that includes the gillick years and players traded away by amaro. all of them suck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
gillick had everything to do with his teams winning....as does every gm
get the farg out of here with that nonsense
also isn't gm billy bean your hero
we've been over this before...gillick gets wayyyy too much credit. he took over a stacked team with a core in place and simply tinkered. of course those tinkers were all mostly right, but the revisionist history on gillick is out of control. wade and arbuckle did the leg work....they couldnt finish the job. look at the 1st round picks under gillick. they suck.
billy beane is not my hero. he's not even a super nerd. he just uses things that aren't popular--therefore cheap--to his advantage because his resources are limited. hence the term, moneyball. for a time that was nerd stuff. then everyone started using nerd stuff, so he started going a bit against it.
Make no mistake -- letting arbuckle go was wrong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 26, 2014, 11:14:12 PM
Make no mistake -- letting arbuckle go was wrong.
in retrospect, of course. the phillies didnt win after 2008 so everything they did was "wrong."
but again roob did everything he could to win another title....moves you and everyone endorsed....he gave charlie a stacked deck and they couldnt do it in 09 10 and 11. thats all 100% of charlie, hamels, utley, howard and jimmy. 12 was the beginning of the end. 13 and 14 were denial years.
if your heroes played better in 09, 10 and 11 and they had 3 titles, nobody would care about the name mike arbuckle.
any fantasy league owner in the country could do what roob did....and not keeping phifer and roy was an unforgivable mistake....even if he did it cause of the cheap ass owners
defending roob even in a round a bout way is disgusting
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 11:24:51 PM
any fantasy league owner in the country could do what roob did....and not keeping phifer and roy was an unforgivable mistake....even if he did it cause of the cheap ass owners
defending roob even in a round a bout way is disgusting
that move was awful, no doubt. it was 1000% roob....had nothing to do with money. he thought he was being smart by restocking the farm....instead he brings in 3 players who suck and then goes out and trades for oswalt 6 months later. a historic awful move.
im not really defending him. if you want to prop him up as the scapegoat, by all means do it. BUT keep in mind the phillies organization is a catastrophe (always has been). what if roob was really forced to sign choke by monty? what if roob thought wolever was incompetent but couldnt fire him because monty wouldnt let him?
roob is a moron and deserves to die, but the blame % on him is far less than most want to believe
you are equating the player failures of those three chokes to roob not being horrible
but it can be both....the players lost 9 10 11 but roob is still a massive piece of shtein failure
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 11:37:59 PM
you are equating the player failures of those three chokes to roob not being horrible
no...just that he did quite well in those years. IF the players hadnt choked, amaro is a wall of fame legend who gets a free pass for what is going on now.
Quotebut it can be both....the players lost 9 10 11 but roob is still a massive piece of shtein failure
yes this
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2014, 11:37:59 PM
but it can be both....the players lost 9 10 11 but roob is still a massive piece of shtein failure
Yes on all counts. I can live with 2010, even 2009 to an extent as when you're wheeling Pedro Martinez out there in game 6 as your best bet and your ace from the prior year decided to grow a vagina you're pretty much farged but 2011 will burn inside for a long, long time.
QuoteThe Red Sox made it clear when they opened talks about Hamels that they will not deal Mookie Betts, who is clearly a regular and he who wills the vital role of leadoff hitter ... They will also not trade catcher Blake Swihart. Now, Charlie Manuel saw more games in the Boston system than any other team and believes Garin Cecchini is a rising star and loves several others, but while Manuel is one of the best evaluators—particularly of hitters—in the game, his voice is not heard by Amaro. Nor is the voice of Pat Gillick, who would look at this list of the nine big trades for "ace" pitchers in the last seven years, thought out building to 2017 and gone immediately to outfielder Manuel Margot, third baseman Rafael Devers or shortstop Javier Guerra. Get one, the way the Cubs got Addison Russell, two pitchers in the Anthony Ranaudo generation and use the $100M to build internationally.
and you wonder why this is the losingest team in the history of sports
Yeah really - why listen to your people.
Amaro the farging dope
sorry but after reading that all i can do is :-D
J's new favorite album (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/brettmyers)
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 30, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
J's new favorite album (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/brettmyers)
That's... just awful.
I just...
he makes paplebon look like an east village hipster
lolol...no shot I listen to any of that
Redneck drinkin at full throttle
Bud Light's best from a can or a bottle
hahaha...lyrical genius here
QuoteBeer Hand Strong
And if you don't believe Myers, just ask his wife.
lol that is awful!
I Need a Drink
Kegerator
Black Creek
Chasing Tail
Beer Hand Strong
You judgemental bastiches. These are not the kinds of songs a wife beating hillbillly would sing.
Kegerator has got to be one hell of a tune.
Considering that he's been married forever, odds are high that "Chasing Tail" is about hunting and full of double entendres that only someone with a confederate flag on his truck would find funny.
And truck nuts. Don't forget truck nuts.
I have to admit that truck nuts do get a chuckle out of me when I see them. They are over the top enough that I can fool myself that there is at least a chance they are a form of self-parody. Same with coaling.
(http://youtu.be/Hwx3yxazLws)
I saw some truck nuts that looked like a real nut sack with skin wrinkles and all
Rednecks are an interesting species...
Heyman is saying that a Byrd to the Reds deal is nearing completion
QuoteKen Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 15s16 seconds ago
Byrd owed $8M in 2015 and has $8M vesting option for '16. #Phillies expected to send significant cash to #Reds in trade.
Sounds like they'll get a pitcher named Ben Lively in return
Well Rube made the trade, so I doubt his arm is lively.
zing!
Rim shot!
Happy New Year!
QuoteLively turns 23 in March. He was a fourth round pick of the Reds in 2013 out of the University of Central Florida. He's 13-11 with a 2.58 ERA in 39 starts across two minor league seasons. He's not a top prospect — he walks a tad too many batters — but he does have the potential to be a mid-level big league starter.
If someone had told me this time last year they'd have gotten as much out of Byrd on the field as they did last year, PLUS got a halfway decent prospect for him this offseason, I'd have said, well... you know.
3b - asche
ss - galvis
2b - utley
1b - franco
c - ruiz
lf - hof brown
cf - revere
rf - sizemore
i love it, frankly
That lineup might not win 60 games.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
If someone had told me this time last year they'd have gotten as much out of Byrd on the field as they did last year, PLUS got a halfway decent prospect for him this offseason, I'd have said, well... you know.
Yeah, what's the catch with this Lively fellow? It sounds like he actually has the potential to play okay baseball, which is strange because Rube traded for him. Does he have Ebola or something?
RAJ could bring in Kershaw, Trout, King Felix, Panda, Bumgarner, we'd still mock the move. It's who we are.
Not only that but they'd suck and never been good again. Once you get the phillies stink on ya it's not coming off
they aren't far off from being in position to be decent in 2017
hang in there kiddies
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
they aren't far off from being in position to be decent in 2017
hang in there kiddies
You don't get to say this about any philly team ever until you believe in hinkiemagic
the phillies have a better chance, really
they have multiple players who COULD be good, plus hundreds of millions in salary space to sign free agents. the sixers' success hinges on a 7 foot injury prone african being other worldly. its much, much easier to be good in baseball, too.
Quote from: SD on January 01, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
they aren't far off from being in position to be decent in 2017
hang in there kiddies
You don't get to say this about any philly team ever until you believe in hinkiemagic
that's why hes doing it....hes slowly going to create a character that is the biggest phillie homer ever since hes the only one out on the sixers
spend a few minutes in a search and you could find a few dozen posts by him predicting doomsday for the next decade
doomsday is a very real possibility....there's no guarantee the bevy of questionably talented minor leaguers the phillies have will be any good
but again, its much easier to compete in (any sport) than the nba. the sixers need joel hans embiid to be the 2nd coming of the dream. the phillies need 1 above average pitcher and 2-3 above average every day players. thats it.
The Phillies need a lot more than that.
im assuming they are going to keep hamels...you add 1-2 above average pitchers....the bottom of rotations are meaningless.
giles = bullpen
they somehow need 2-3 bats to pan out in some capacity. then take a look at 2017 and 2018 FA classes. they can make a trade....will myers, justin upton all were dealt this offseason. they'll have roughly 150 mil to spend.
its not THAT easy. the manager is still an idiot. but the the 10/11 phillies ruined everyone's thinking about what it takes to be good. you dont need an all star team. the giants and royals didnt have one. the orioles didnt either.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 10:04:49 AM
doomsday is a very real possibility....there's no guarantee the bevy of questionably talented minor leaguers the phillies have will be any good
but again, its much easier to compete in (any sport) than the nba. the sixers need joel hans embiid to be the 2nd coming of the dream. the phillies need 1 above average pitcher and 2-3 above average every day players. thats it.
its not about the sixers....the phillies have zero chance to be good in 2017 and you yourself has said this an uncountable number of times
Yeah not sure where the optimism is coming from. By the time they're good again Hamels will be in his mid 30's. They have a couple of good prospects but no one who projects to be a superstar. Plus you're putting your faith in Amaro who's made which good moves exactly?
If I had to rank my optimism surrounding our sports teams it would be:
Eagles (not great but they made the playoffs last season and barely missed this season. A few more pieces to the puzzle and who knows)
Sixers
Phillies/Flyers
I would rank the Flyers a lot lower but hockey is a strange sport where so so teams make runs.
I agree with that order.....but I feel strongly that the flyers are ahead of the phils because of this crop of young defenseman they have....it would kinda be like if the phils had three or four really promising pitchers in the lower to mid system
unless one of the four teams is currently stocked with good young players and is already a good team the eagle are almost always going to be #1 just because the nfl is so easy to get better in....shtein you can have big fluxuations year to year simply because the other teams in your division got better or worse even tho your team might be the same...say what you want about the birds this year compared to last but on a macro level dallas being better is why they arent in the playoffs
SD's order isn't wrong
its just in the nba there is a difference between being good and being great. in baseball its the same thing. the sixers are going to be good....but great? ummmmm probably not. the philllies can easily be good by 17 or 18 (im not saying it WILL happen, just that it COULD), and that would give them a shot to win a title since baseball is a weird sport.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
the philllies can easily be good by 17 or 18
lol at adding in 18 now
either way after how you have talked for two years I cant tell if this is trolling or fraudulent...im gonna go FRAULLICKING....new lil guy term
that was before they actually developed pitching depth and before the market for hamels dried up like an old lady's vagina
their rotation has a chance to be good within a year and a half, and i said, they'll have hundreds of millions of dollars to fill in the many holes in their lineup.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:24:09 PM
that was before they actually developed pitching depth
lol no they dont......every organization has to have best prospects who people overrate...the phillies have horrendous top prospects...in fact their pitching prospects are horrible when compared to other teams
What'll be funny is when they contend in 15 with Aaron Harang, Jeff Francoeur and crew
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2015, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:24:09 PM
that was before they actually developed pitching depth
lol no they dont......every organization has to have best prospects who people overrate...the phillies have horrendous top prospects...in fact their pitching prospects are horrible when compared to other teams
their rotation at AA is very good
the royals made the world series with james shields...the giants won it with 1 pitcher. baseball is a stupid, random sport that nobody can predict.
you know what can be predicted and what you have predicted for three years up until the sixers season started?
that the phillies couldnt win until 2025
there's a very real possibility it will take that long
but sometimes shtein changes....and if things shake out right your phillies will have a shot. i wouldnt bet on it happening, but in the last few months the odds have certainly improved.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:40:27 PM
but in the last few months the odds have certainly improved.
FRAULLICKING
you know whats happened in the last few months....lots of sixer talk and people making you mad for not jumping on your hate bandwagon...absolutely nothing has happened with the Phillies....they still have a horrible team a horrible system a horrible front office and horrible ownership...SO much has changed
gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen! its not going to happen!
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
SD's order isn't wrong
its just in the nba there is a difference between being good and being great. in baseball its the same thing. the sixers are going to be good....but great? ummmmm probably not.
Embiid was one of the most highly rated college players to come along in the last decade. Assuming he heals properly his ceiling is sky high. Athletes with that much size and raw talent are hard to find.
since 2000 everyone has embiid in the top 8 prospects overall...his problem is that he has to survive TWO things...he doesn't just have toi live up to the projections....he also has to be healthy...chances of both happening is probably 10% but you still had to take him and he offers up great hope....more hope than the phillies top 5 prospects combined
Aaron Harang...one year $5M deal
yay.
Only a 500% raise over last year!
Lol at Amaro's comments regarding his durability.
Actually, it's not a bad signing at all.
It's better than Burnett at $17 million. Frankly I don't give a damn what they spend on who at this point. They aren't contending so what's the point.
Just hope he does well enough to get traded in July or August for a high-A kid
Quote from: SD on January 05, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
Frankly I don't give a damn what they spend on who at this point. They aren't contending so what's the point.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 05, 2015, 01:15:52 PM
Just hope he does well enough to get traded in July or August for a high-A kid
please
he's here to pitch every 5th day and not be horrendously awful at it. innings eater.
Right now he's their #3 starter behind Hamels and Lee....basically a small step up from what Fausto was
its called putting a halfway decent product on the field
something hinkie is like "what?" to
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
its called putting a halfway decent product on the field
something hinkie is like "what?" to
Both teams finished in last last season. Both are favorites to finish last again. I'd rather watch young players develop then Aaron Harangs fastball over the right field fence
youd rather watch a not ready for the major leagues zach efflin got torched than aaron harang waste of everyone's time by giving 4 runs in 6 innings?
4 runs in 6 innings motherfarger!
Quality starts, bitch
Seeing Jimmy in a dodgers uni is disgusting
signed RHP Jeanmar Gomez to a minor league deal + ST invite. It's the Phils' 6th signing/trade for a Pirate player this offseason
So AJ Burnett for six players
The new Von Hayes (although he was 5-1)
@jonjohnsonwip: Source confirms. Wandy Rodriguez failed physical with #Phillies, signed with #Braves. Official announcement coming.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2015, 01:48:16 PM
@jonjohnsonwip: Source confirms. Wandy Rodriguez failed physical with #Phillies, signed with #Braves. Official announcement coming.
20-3 season coming up?
Probably.
Or he's completely healthy for them and they end up flipping him at the deadline for something good
Phils reportedly interested in Chad Billingsley (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/source-phillies-have-strong-interest-chad-billingsley)
I don't know about you, but I'm reserving my spot on the parade route right now.
Phillies talking to the Brewers about moving Pap.
he will do well in cheeseland.
Hopefully the inept farg can swing a deal to make it happen
The Smear could still veto the trade.
Heard on one of the stations he'd accept the trade.
hed accept a trade to toledo if it meant getting away from the fans and media in philly
He said he'd accept the trade if they guaranteed his 2016 option.
Otherwise, not so much.
Cut bait and move this guy along, please.
i sort of want him to come back just so there will be something interesting to watch
the dude is one of the biggest cockface iceholes to ever walk the earth....he knows it....he loves it. if hes stuck on this worthless team for another year AND he sucks on the field (he's due for a regression since he cannot strike anyone out) it could get real bad and real fun. LETS DO THIS.
Smear has to close 48 games to vest his 2016 if he stays with the Phils. Between their suckitude and a desire to slide Giles into that position, there's not really a guarantee that he will get to that number, so the trade may be the surest way to get the money.
Assuming the vesting option applies, he is still owed $26 million. How much of that will the Phils swallow to get rid of him?
$25.9 million
I saw in the paper today that fan voting is on right now for the Phillies wall of fame inductee this year....does anyone know what the % of fan voting it is?...I hope to god not 100%
Don't think it works like that. I think the fan votes make the ballot (top 5 or 10 guys), and then a committee picks the actual inductee.
its a sham....its going to be burrell
the other names have been there forever and they are all nobody's
Who are the others?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
Who are the others?
Larry Christenson
Jim Fregosi
Gene Garber
Tony Gonzalez
Jim Konstanty
Fred Luderus
Ron Reed
Mike Ryan
Pinky Whitney
Jimmy Wilson
Rick Wise
the day vuke got in was the day the wall of fame turned into a list of phillies greats to a list of likable people who hung around for a while
thats why burrell is getting in....the first thing on his plaque should be whatever ridiculous number of olde city skanks he stuck his dick into
lol i just looked at the list....krukie i forgot is on it....jesus
theres also two people on it that i literally have never heard of
Kruk should be on it.
Don't hate
yeah if you like neato stories of chaw steroids and budweisers....he should be on shores WOF not the phillies
It's a wall of fame, not a wall of all-time great baseball players. It's guys who were important to the franchise on the field, on the bench or whatever. Stop being miserable fargs all the time and accept it for what it is... inconsequential and mildly entertaining.
Ok...The Havas Wall Of Phillies Fame is...
Who would you have up there?
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
It's a wall of fame, not a wall of all-time great baseball players. It's guys who were important to the franchise on the field, on the bench or whatever. Stop being miserable fargs all the time and accept it for what it is... inconsequential and mildly entertaining.
ha...exactly.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
It's a wall of fame, not a wall of all-time great baseball players. It's guys who were important to the franchise on the field, on the bench or whatever. Stop being miserable fargs all the time and accept it for what it is... inconsequential and mildly entertaining.
im not complaining, it is what it is. i have no problem with the WOF being exactly that. just dont act like the guys on there are all awesome, cause they aint.
to suggest vuke or kruk or lieberthal are deserving of some kind of honor beyond "we liked them, they were cool" is insane.
You and Havas are complaining about a wall with plaques on it. I mean, really. A. Wall.
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 11:19:12 AM
the day vuke got in was the day the wall of fame turned into a list of phillies greats to a list of likable people who hung around for a while
thats why burrell is getting in....the first thing on his plaque should be whatever ridiculous number of olde city skanks he stuck his dick into
complaint
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsk5gx5zfw.jpg)
In.
yeah who is complaining?
im laughing at it....its a mockery...I could care less who they put up there
its not an unilaterally positive thing about vuke and his hot wife or kruk and his beer gut so its the worst thing ever
for the record i love kruk....to this day
but putting a good player on a WOF cause he was a goofy clown who could shotgun buds is hilarious to me...and yeah looking at the list it definitely fell off a cliff after vuk...problem it seems is that they automatically put people in it every year...correct?...
at some point (and they reached this a long time go im sure) you are going to run out of worthy people when you've won two titles in 130+ years and have 10000 losses
they also put bowa in....a career .260 hitter with an awesome .300 obp
its a list for players who everyone liked. simple as that. when you put people in every year, and like you said, have such a worthless history, the list is going to get to the point where you induct mike lieberthal.
to me bowa is a perfect WOF vs. HOF guy...fan favorite who played a million games with the franchise and was a leader on a team that won the world series...i have zero problem with him there
neither do i...it just shows what the WOF is
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
at some point (and they reached this a long time go im sure) you are going to run out of worthy people when you've won two titles in 130+ years and have 10000 losses
Rollins
Utley
Howard
Hamels
Lidge
Moyer
Ruiz
Burrell
Probably fan favorite Lee too
Possibly Halladay even though he was only here a short time...he pitched a perfect game DNS no hitter in the playoffs
There's 9/10 years worth
LA is in, too
so is bobby a
nothing will be lower than lieby, so its all up from there
theres actually nine or ten decades worth of players to put in if you include anyone who has ever played for them
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
nothing will be lower than lieby, so its all up from there
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
nothing will be lower than lieby, so its all up from there
lol
i take that back
if they induct stairs i will quit
stairs is automatic when they start running into dead years after all the 08 championship people get in
no question RIGHT NOW stairs gets more votes from the fanbase than choke
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
LA is in, too
so is bobby a
nothing will be lower than lieby, so its all up from there
Victorino is a real possibility, he came up through the organization, was here for the WS, is still active in the community.
he didn't come up with them he was a rule 5 guy from the dodgers but yes he absolutely will get in
hes basically kruk with a ring
btw can you get IN a wof or just ON a wof
I guess you're in then you're on
Brett Myers will be in/on
Drafted by the Phils
Played almost a decade
WS guy
Beat his wife
I'd say Madson is a real possibility too
In or on, Burrell is a no-brainer. He's an all-time great Phillie from a statistical standpoint plus he's Pat The motherfarging Bat.
If he doesn't belong on that wall, then no one does.
* Drops Mic *
10 made it from the 80 team
gotta figure minimum 10 from 08 team
locks...
1. charlie already in
2. jimmy
3. grit
4. choke
5. braindead
6. heidi
7. gillick
8. chooch
9. burrell
10. lidge
possible...
stairs
moyer
werth
mad dog
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
He's an all-time great Phillie from a statistical standpoint
* Drops Mic *
hes 100% on the wall but lol at the above statement
Top 4 in HR's.
Top 10 in RBI's.
Top 15 in Doubles.
Top 20 in OPS & SLG.
NOT WORTHY OF A PLAQUE!
top 10 doesn't mean a ton for that franchise and top 20 is a joke...to be an all time great phillie stat guy you better me in or around a lot of top 5's
hes worthy of a plaq but hes not an all time great statistical phille...as weve discussed stats don't necessarily get you on that wall....riding on a horse wagon with a can of beer in a parade does tho
should be noted that running thru half of the women in south jersey while the other half wished you had also gets you in
Shades. Of. Gray.
http://philly.barstoolsports.com/m/random-thoughts/the-pat-burrell-saga-comes-to-a-close-with-the-top-10-legends/
Quote5. Reader Email: Pat The Bat And The Morning After
Not sure if you heard this one before but supposedly my buddys cousin took Pat the bat back to her place home from the bar. She woke up early in the morning to go to work so she left her number and a pop tart on the counter. When she got home she saw that the pop tart was gone but her number was still there. Pats a legend.
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 04:53:48 PM
http://philly.barstoolsports.com/m/random-thoughts/the-pat-burrell-saga-comes-to-a-close-with-the-top-10-legends/
Quote5. Reader Email: Pat The Bat And The Morning After
Not sure if you heard this one before but supposedly my buddys cousin took Pat the bat back to her place home from the bar. She woke up early in the morning to go to work so she left her number and a pop tart on the counter. When she got home she saw that the pop tart was gone but her number was still there. Pats a legend.
yup
No matter how many times I read them, the Pat Burrell stories about how much of a scumbag he is are still hilarious to me.
"You just got farged by Pat Burrell."
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 04:33:57 PM
Top 4 in HR's.
Top 10 in RBI's.
Top 15 in Doubles.
Top 20 in OPS & SLG.
NOT WORTHY OF A PLAQUE!
haha youre the best. he's better than dale ennis, so he has to get in.
burrell is getting in because he hit 1 double in the world series and rode a beer truck during the parade, more so than his stats. also his magic cock.
Players who deserve to get in on stats alone - Rollins/Hamels/Howard/Utley
Burrell and Ruiz will get in because they mixed good stats (but not great) with being long tenured players and important pieces on the WS team. Lidge will just because that year was insane and coincided with the WS.
the lidge trade was a huge move towards winning the world series which helps him get in....but I don't think he makes it if the final out was a pop up to second
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 06:13:53 PM
the lidge trade was a huge move towards winning the world series which helps him get in....but I don't think he makes it if the final out was a pop up to second
A pictures worth a thousand words
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 04:33:57 PM
Top 4 in HR's.
Top 10 in RBI's.
Top 15 in Doubles.
Top 20 in OPS & SLG.
NOT WORTHY OF A PLAQUE!
haha youre the best. he's better than dale ennis, so he has to get in.
burrell is getting in because he hit 1 double in the world series and rode a beer truck during the parade, more so than his stats. also his magic cock.
... Del. It's Del Ennis.
i normally wouldnt care, but i googled him and he died in huntingdon valley
respect
It's a shame that Mark Lieberthal and Harvey Kalas are on that wall too
The ironic thing is, Del Ennis was the Phillies best right-handed hitter before Schmidt, yet colossally ignorant retards like Todd have no clue who he is or what he accomplished for the team.
Not that it matters but he was a native Philadelphian too.
Derp.
Quote from: Rome on January 25, 2015, 07:14:19 AM
Del Ennis was the Phillies best right-handed hitter before Schmidt
this statement right here perfectly sums up just how pathetic the phillies franchise has been
and actually its chuck klein....amazingly enough romey was too young to see him
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
and actually its chuck klein....amazingly enough romey was too young to see him
Klein was a lefty batter, Todd.
(http://seamheads.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Klein_Chuck.jpg)
he was? i could swear....
free one for romey. my stillupfront's mom.
It's debatable that Ennis was the best before Schmidt because Richie Allen should have been the greatest Phillie ever if the organization and fans weren't so incredibly racist and otherwise awful. If you have to draw messages in the dirt at first base begging to get the farg out, you know it's bad.
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2015, 01:08:05 PM
he was? i could swear....
free one for romey. my stillupfront's mom.
Being a lefty batter helped inflate Klein's HR totals, because Baker Bowl had a very short right-field fence - 280 down the line, and an even 300 in straightaway right field. It also was topped with a high tin fence.
Photo stolen from Wikipedia:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Baker_bowl_right_field.png)
signed Chad Billingsley. $1.5M base, bonuses could bring it up to $8M, and he gets Kendrick's #38
That's Pat Combs' 38, sir.
96.5 in Harrisburg is switching from Phils to Nationals because the Nats will be the better team for the next few years. 92.7 in Lancaster responded by picking up the Phils
All none of you can go back to breathing easier
Can we just agree to put this thread on hold for the next three years?
kk to col
Apparently Ben Davis and Kevin Stocker are the finalists to replace Jamie Moyer in the booth. (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2015/02/03/davis-stocker-finalists-to-replace-moyer/)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HR_p_top_ten.shtml
kendrick only appears once on this list....last year. and he was 8th.
anyway, he's a sinkerball pitcher but he sort of sucks, so i cant imagine he'll do well in coors. nevertheless, he is earning $5 million which is astounding when you consider that he's maybe the 100th best person at this job in the world. good for him. more money for the working man and less for some rich republican dickhead.
The White Sox waived Dayan Viciedo over the weekend, he'd probably make a decent "why not" pick up considering the shape of this outfield.
Also, apparently Rube really likes Andrew Cashner.
He's a FA after 2015 though, and an injury risk. Not sure if the Padres would give him up for Hamels
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2015/02/05/phillies-interested-in-moncada/
bidding for him will be interesting
phillies will not do it....and i cant blame them
Quote"You can't miss on a guy that may be that significant a risk," Amaro said.
Who finally let Rube in on the secret?
IN
https://vine.co/v/OUpAY9Izia9
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12302208/philadelphia-phillies-general-manager-ruben-amaro-jr-expects-cole-hamels-start-opener
how much would you pay for this
(http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-18889422dt.jpg)
priceless
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/02/18/cole-hamels-phillies-trade-spring-training/23629509/
Haven't been this disinterested in an opening of spring training since, well, let's see, since last year.
I haven't had anything sports-related to be excited about since the Eagles imploded, so yeah, I'm happy ST is here.
right wing zealot ben davis replacing moyer
he is?
(https://mlblogszozone.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/cliff-lee-magic-eight-ball.jpg?w=555&h=510)
Cliff Lee answers the first trade questions. (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2015/02/19/lee-staying-in-philly-ask-again-later/)
Maybe Chip should do a PC with the eight ball to shut the cranky local media up?
His Thug Life vine would end with him staring Les Bowen down after he fired the eight ball at his head
chip should concentrate on making the playoffs and stop worrying about the big city media.....this aint new hampshire
Phillies
Chip ain't worried about the media...much to the media's disappointment
chip is like the bestest coach ever omg omg omg lol lol hes sooooooooooo good
Your troll game has weakened son.
It would only be trolling if you weren't really that big of a homer
so possible openning day line-up
revere cf
galvis ss
utley 2b
howard 1b
brown lf
ruf rf
ruiz c
asche 3b
hamels p
:puke
Listened to Mike and Mike for about 10 minutes on the way to work today (couldn't get the damned bluetooth to work this morning). Greenberg called the Phillies the worst team in sports to play for.
Greenberg is a hack. His opinion on Philly sports means squat. Kinda like mds'.
j: ruben amaro is the worst
j: the phillies are going to be better than you think
j: how could they trade jimmy! im done.
j: the phillies are NOT the worst organization to play for, random person on radio who i will hate because he said something i dont like. tons of other teams suck worse, like the nationals, braves, mets and marlins.
You've got it down. And I'm not wrong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2015, 05:47:55 PM
Greenberg is a hack. His opinion on Philly sports means squat. Kinda like mds'.
Oh, no doubt he's a hack. But it just goes to show how far they've fallen that it's even a discussion.
The sooner Amaro is fired (preferably from a cannon), the better off the organization will be.
I don't understand how a team that has a top five payroll in its sport can be the worst to play for especially if you're an over the hill veteran who's played there for a decade.
That's just idiotic.
because the team is a joke
the (acting) president is a fossilized geezer. the gm is quite possibly the biggest combination of arrogance and stupidity in sports history. the talent is non existent up and down the organization. the owners are shady old people who, outside of john middleton, nobody even knows.
like seriously i follow the team and i couldnt tell who owns the team right now. middleton? a buck brother? on of claire bentz's kid? does giles have a piece? monty? THIS IS A CONCERN.
anyway its a throw away comment on a radio show in february, so it doesnt matter. but it aint that wrong.
Quote"When you talk about the Cespedes and the Puigs and the Solers of the world, were we in on them? Sure," Amaro said. "Did we get to a point where we signed them? No, but that doesn't mean that we weren't part of the process."
Fist meet smug farging face.
It'll be a joyous day when he's farging fired
i hope theres some super stud at the top of the 2016 mlb draft...really the only glimmer of hope for this pos franchise
Even if there is they'll just lowball the hell out of him.
They got billions with a B from Scamcast and they are slashing payroll and not spending anything on talent. It's sickening.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2015, 05:47:55 PM
Greenberg is a hack. His opinion on Philly sports means squat. Kinda like mds'.
midol. now.
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
Even if there is they'll just lowball the hell out of him.
They got billions with a B from Scamcast and they are slashing payroll and not spending anything on talent. It's sickening.
slashing payroll is what they should be doing...
they need to start over from scratch
first by massively investing in player development
well at least we know the team has some fine young leadership in domonic brown.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2015, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
Even if there is they'll just lowball the hell out of him.
They got billions with a B from Scamcast and they are slashing payroll and not spending anything on talent. It's sickening.
slashing payroll is what they should be doing...
they need to start over from scratch
first by massively investing in player development
I sort of agree with this, but they could have signed Scherzer or Lester, had Hamels/Scherz or Lester/Lee/Harang and a decent bullpen. Their bats are god awful but with 3 quality starters they'd compete. Really it's just money and tanking doesn't help so now they're back to their penny pinching days now that the gravy train has stopped.
the phillies where they stand right now signing scherzer to that deal would have been an absolute joke...shtein it probably ends up being a bad deal for the nats and they are a team that should be going all out right now for a ring
the phillies are probably the worst team in the majors...it would have been a travesty to add that kind of deal to their roster
My point is, how does it hurt? Maybe Lee bounces back and you have 3 very good starters. It's not like the NFL/NHL/NBA where we root for losses for draft picks. The stadium is going to be empty and penny pinching mode is going into full effect.
because youd have 200+ million dollar contract on the books for a zesty team
i dont know that id ever give that to a 30 year old pitcher but i def wouldnt do it if my team sucked and was already bloated with terrible deals
no way i wouldve wasted money on lester or scherzer. unless the pitching staff can hold opposing teams to a sub 2 era there's no chance with the line-up the phils have.
I agree with Igy on this one. There was no benefit of committing the millions it would take to get a Scherzer or Lester, even assuming they would have signed in Philly.
This team needs a hard reset, a complete teardown of what is still there, and start rebuilding from scratch. The money needs to be spent in scouting and developing talent.
Unfortunately, there's still the minor problem that Amaro is still in charge...
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 24, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
even assuming they would have signed in Philly.
yeah thats another thing...they would have had to outbid for them to even had a chance at those guys cause right now no one is choosing philly over washington or chicago
amaro still being there goes to the lil guys point about there not being any cohesion at the ownership level...they need a single point of contact that is going to hold people accountable and not be afraid to get rid of lifers...get em all out....roob...monty...bowa...and especially that fossil dallas green
They're not slashing enough for it to make a difference and they're not spending anything on the farm system.
They have cash tied up in four guys and all should be gone before Memorial Day.
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
They're not slashing enough for it to make a difference and they're not spending anything on the farm system.
They have cash tied up in four guys and all should be gone before Memorial Day.
how do you spend money on the farm system? they didnt have a problem signing their picks
i honestly have no idea why you keep trying to push this "phillies are cheap" thing. its not 1997 anymore. their payroll last year was insane, then they added aj burnett for no good reason.
they suck right now. throwing money at lester or scherzer would be pointless. the phillies problems right now situate around a lack of organizational leadership/accountability and having incompetent decision makers. its not for a lack of willingness to spend money.
They need to spend much more money on over seas scouting....they also are notorious for under paying their scouts...one thing they need to do is steal some guys who are up and coming baseball minds...that doesn't mean only in the front office which is something they clearly aren't ready to do yet but get some in player scouting as well as player development
if youre asking for a complete organizational overhaul you might as well keep going down the path of impossibility and ask for a discontinuation of the republican party
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=293959921
I read a bit about this dude last year - hopefully he pans out
http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/&id=294235751
I like the phillie uniforms but they could be a lot better and they probably don't crack the top 10
orioles are the best
The cream things are a farging abomination. The Aways are awesome. The Homes are meh.
the 70's-80's aqua blue away jerseies are still my favs.
their gray roadies are gross
the white pinstripes and alternates are terrific though
Quote from: smeags on February 27, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
the 70's-80's aqua blue away jerseies are still my favs.
I wear the maroon era hat all the time. I hate the bright red shtein. It's awful.
The cream uni's are awesome.
And the best overall uni's are the Tigers home jawns
Quote from: smeags on February 27, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
the 70's-80's aqua blue away jerseies are still my favs.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0SKiMOGv3ao/TqGskmbTd-I/AAAAAAAAA_Q/tLGn8M8AUtM/s400/75Maddox.jpg)
Love it! Maddox was the man.
I like the baby blues and I also liked the grays and maroon roadies
(http://www.milb.com/images/2011/06/27/Tm9TFr4d.jpg)
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/559041/bef6aa17325a584f77c61142224b1f2c.jpg)
sportscenter was live from dodgers camp today and did a long interview with jimmy (and howie kendrick)....man was that tough to watch
Glad I missed it.
Luckily we all missed the Phils (albeit the scrubs) lose to the University of Tampa today. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/ruben-amaro-jr's-nephew-andrew-amaro-helps-u-tampa-beat-phillies)
QuoteThe Spartans are 13-1 and ranked No. 1 in NCAA Division II.
Well than, there you have it.
Quote from: Don Ho on February 28, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: smeags on February 27, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
the 70's-80's aqua blue away jerseies are still my favs.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0SKiMOGv3ao/TqGskmbTd-I/AAAAAAAAA_Q/tLGn8M8AUtM/s400/75Maddox.jpg)
Love it! Maddox was the man.
love those unis. most of my stuff is all from that era. hats, jacket, shirts. i dont hate the brighter red but i'm attached to the colors/designs of what i grew up with.
Supposedly the Phils have a $4.2M agreement for the July 2 international period with Dominican OF Jhailyn Ortiz. 6'2" 260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQy76_5oRQc
why cant domonic brown swing like that
Odubel had three hits today
Yay?
for some reason a google search of him took me to zach collier's wikipedia profile
I'll be in Clearwater tomorrow with the family. We'll be in the tiki bar seats in left.
LOOK FOR US ON TV!!
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
I'll be in Clearwater tomorrow with the family. We'll be in the tiki bar seats in left.
LOOK FOR US ON TV!!
make sure you wave everytime the camera is on you.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
I'll be in Clearwater tomorrow with the family. We'll be in the tiki bar seats in left.
LOOK FOR US ON TV!!
Even though the phils blow spring training last year was incredible.
spring traning is actually much better when they suck cause it cuts down on the crowds and the douchebag factor
I was thinking of making a :CF sign and showing on camera.
Thoughts?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
spring traning is actually much better when they suck cause it cuts down on the crowds and the douchebag factor
They blew last season, we knew they'd blow, it was still packed and the douchebag factor was high.
yeah rome going tomorrow kinda supports that ..... :paranoid
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 10:17:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
spring traning is actually much better when they suck cause it cuts down on the crowds and the douchebag factor
They blew last season, we knew they'd blow, it was still packed and the douchebag factor was high.
fans still had hope i guess compared to a year like this where they tried to blow it up... go in a year like this year and the atmosphere is much better...the other day for example the stadium was 3/4 empty and it was the opener and the yankees
when they are really good they sell out and you cant breathe in the place...i had to scalp tickets a few years ago
2010 was the worst. Every skeezy frat bro from the del Val had to have taken spring break there.
This is a family deal for me so no boozing but I would otherwise be pickled by 9:00 AM at the tilted kilt across the street.
mmm the titled kilt ... may be going to the KOP location for lunch today. it's nice to see a bunch of fine young scottish lasses working their way through college.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
2010 was the worst. Every skeezy frat bro from the del Val had to have taken spring break there.
lol yup...pretty sure that was one of the years I went...might have been 2009 tho....just unbearable
Quote from: smeags on March 06, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
mmm the titled kilt ... may be going to the KOP location for lunch today. it's nice to see a bunch of fine young scottish lasses working their way through college.
They work there during the day and Mons Venus at night.
Bam.
donaldsons homer almost just went in romeys seats
then back from commercial they show they show frenchys for like a minute straight.....where you at romey!
The moon shot Buchanan gave up landed 10 feet from me. Almost spilled my $8 beer.
Smear is on the bump.
jesse biddle got torched today
he sucks
I left Clearwater at 4:15 and just walked thru the door in Daytona. What a hideous ride back from that place.
Anyway, this team is going to be infinitely more dreadful than anyone thinks. They have zero spark. They have no one who can actually hit the ball. I watched hitter after hitter up there without a farging clue of what to do in the box and during the rare occasion they got guys on base, they either struck out or bounced into harmless ground-outs. I won't even get into the pitching because it's irrelevant.
This is my 24th year of spring training in Clearwater and this is the first time I've ever walked out of the place without any hope. The fans were dead. The players were awful or inept. Just the most depressing day ever at a place where you're all but guaranteed a great time any other year.
That's it. That's all I got.
Thought about heading up at some point. But between this being the onslaught of testing for the next six weeks and the Phils just flat out having nothing to offer, I decided to skip it altogether this year.
Papelbon said they're contenders so I'll believe him
So zip it Rome!!
Quote from: Rome on March 07, 2015, 08:47:40 PM
This is my 24th year of spring training in Clearwater and this is the first time I've ever walked out of the place without any hope.
you must have somehow fit those 24 years into the time period btwn 2002 and 2012
I went to Jack Russell before that, silly.
most of the 90's was hopeless buddy
Oh and by the way... I went into the club store to buy a t-shirt for St. Patrick's Day since I won't be there this year.
$40.
For.
A.
farging.
Shirt.
farg you, Phillies, you greedy whores.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2015, 09:30:29 PM
most of the 90's was hopeless buddy
Yeah it was but I always had fun at Jack Russell and there was always a glimmer of something on the horizon. The early 90's we had Kruk & co. Then later on we had Scott Rolen & then Burrell. These guys right now are just dreck. I realize it's only the first week of spring training but there is simply nothing to be excited about. Nothing. And that depresses me. I can distance myself from it by turning the television off or ignoring them in the standings, but when you see this shtein live and in person, it's just terribly depressing.
Whatever, though. I'll get over it.
So you weren't excited to see The Lord and savior Freddy Galvis?
Bob Dernier, CF
Dickie Thon, SS
Tom Herr, 2B
Juan Samuel, CF
Ricky Jordan, 1B
Von Hayes, RF
Chris James, 3B
Steve Lake, C
Larry McWilliams, P
Worse than this?
this doesn't get anyone excited?
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/mlb/phillies/2015/03/07/phillies-reliever-mario-hollands-earns-fashion-degree/24585843/
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 07, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
Bob Dernier, CF
Dickie Thon, SS
Tom Herr, 2B
Juan Samuel, CF
Ricky Jordan, 1B
Von Hayes, RF
Chris James, 3B
Steve Lake, C
Larry McWilliams, P
Worse than this?
The kid in me remembers those fondly and I always thought they'd be good and my pops would be like "they stink. They always do. The only reason to listen is for Harry and Whitey"
That's actually not a horrible lineup if all those players decided to have a career year in the same season
Not sure what's worse, that lineup or those bastiches charging $40 for a t-shirt.
The $40 t-shirt is the worst!
just a thought
dont buy it?
Should've got a Ruben Amaro shirsey
So Lee's elbow has farged up again. MRI and all that coming
nice job amaro
this is your fault, too
as i was screaming at the time he should have been dealt at the 2012 trade deadline.....but at the very latest it should have been that offseason
this organization is a joke
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
as i was screaming at the time he should have been dealt at the 2012 trade deadline.....this organization is a joke
you cant expect an organization that 15 seconds ago considered itself a small market team to understand success.
the phillies, for like the first time ever, had a great 5 year run. they didnt comprehend that it was over, until the middle of the 2014 season. its more of an organizational thing than a roob thing....i doubt he would've been given the ability to trade lee in 2012.
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
as i was screaming at the time he should have been dealt at the 2012 trade deadline.....this organization is a joke
you cant expect an organization that 15 seconds ago considered itself a small market team to understand success.
the phillies, for like the first time ever, had a great 5 year run. they didnt comprehend that it was over, until the middle of the 2014 season. its more of an organizational thing than a roob thing....i doubt he would've been given the ability to trade lee in 2012.
Born in the 1980s, huh?
i should have prefaced with a "under the current ownership/administration." i know the 80s existed. everyone here is like 50. believe me i know.
Todd, Yes! :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 08, 2015, 01:06:01 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
as i was screaming at the time he should have been dealt at the 2012 trade deadline.....this organization is a joke
you cant expect an organization that 15 seconds ago considered itself a small market team to understand success.
the phillies, for like the first time ever, had a great 5 year run. they didnt comprehend that it was over, until the middle of the 2014 season. its more of an organizational thing than a roob thing....i doubt he would've been given the ability to trade lee in 2012.
Born in the 1980s, huh?
77 - 83 was pretty damn awesome. That group should have won at least three WS. Excluding 93, it did feel like forever until this team had a glimmer of hope. We can all reunite at Sunnyside Estates Assisted Living in Sun City Center in 25 more.
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2015, 05:49:50 PM
i should have prefaced with a "under the current ownership/administration." i know the 80s existed. everyone here is like 50. believe me i know.
I still have (almost) six years, dammit!
Larry Greene, the Phils 1st-rd pick 3 years ago out of high school, retired already because he sucks so farging bad
Looking forward to 2020. The next 5 years are going to make the mid/late 90's look like the good old days.
-lee's arm fell off again
-utley's knees aren't working again
-hamels is still not traded
-their 2 spring homers have come courtesy of andres blanco and xavier paul
-maikel franco, top prospect, is hitting something like .143
-ryan howard still exists
but they will "definitely" be better than people are saying. right?
Over/under: 63 wins
This "special" bunch is going to rival 1972. Only problem is they had Steve Carlton go 27-10 that year. C'mon Jerome!
Watch a lot of Dodgers spring games on Fox Sports West. Holy shtein do they have some young awesome talent. This kid Corey Seager who is 6'4 and plays SS is going to be special. OF Joc Pedrson is a stud.
TRADE HEIDI NOW! They get one of this prospects I'd be ecstatic. Apparently His Royal Smugness wanted their top 3 prospects.
http://crashburnalley.com/2015/03/13/amaro-full-blows-it-on-biddles-brain/
This is fun
The Phillies Way, Amaro style.
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
He looks like shtein, Phreak.
Stop it.
Can't wait to watch him flail at the slurve
Quote from: Rome on March 15, 2015, 02:07:37 PM
He looks like shtein, Phreak.
Stop it.
No. He looked good last game and this one as well
He's hitting .200, slugging .320, no walks, 8 strikeouts.
I've seen two games. I'm comparing his swing that I've seen to last year
Settle down you negative SOBs!!
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 15, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
He's hitting .200, slugging .320, no walks, 8 strikeouts.
So... it IS an improvement...
Herrera and Andy Oliver seem like they're locks to make the roster
for not hitting the ball its a great swing
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2015, 04:40:29 PM
for not hitting the ball its a great swing
It's streamlined. Nothing can stop the swing's flow.
That piece of slop he hit today was no better than a batting practice pitch.
Look, I'm sorry that Howard appears to be chum. Really. I want him to be the same guy who carried the team from 2006-2009 but he's not and it's over. He's done and there's nothing more to be said about it.
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/69972428/v46932683/bosphi-howard-rips-a-solo-homer-to-right/?c_id=phi
obviously this will equate .320/30/120 because.......
Nice start by Hamels today
2 IP
6 H
5 ER
Losing 14-3
so based on your logic he will suck this year and howard will be awesome?
Nice troll attempt. DO a better job next time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Choke with an RBI double today and a homer the other day. His swing looks much better this year so far
:-D I love you Todd! That made my day.
He had an RBI single today too - so stick that up your Nova loving ass, Toddrick!
PS - Clifford is on the 60 day DL.
Franco sent down. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/disappointed-maikel-franco-sent-minors)
Hamels getting lit again today
ben davis is better than moyer but the phillies broadcast team has been an absolute embarrassment these last few years...it actually makes me way more angry then the team itself because you can so easily fix it....to have what they have calling games is just general ignorance and incompetence and inexcusable
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/jimmy-rollins-says-blue-collar-philly-not-conducive-superstar
who cares
ben revere is playing lf. a slap hitting noodle arm nobody is playing a premium power position. phillies 2015!
so it seems the following comment by jroll has dumbo ready for war on WIP.
Quote"[Philadelphia fans] will tear your butt up, eat you alive. But it's all preparation, I think — once baseball is done, for other parts of my life. You have to be accountable. If you're going to call yourself a leader, you have to live by a different set of rules, a higher standard. That's just the way it is."
of course dumbo took this as a horrific rip of the city and it's fans and is back to calling rollins an overrated lazy POS.
im not sure who is the worst ever between him and eskin but it's certainly a tight race.
Someone said something incendiary on the radio!
it's blasphemy !!
nobody. talks. ill. bout. gawd !
Everything he said is true....there's a significant portion of Philadelphia sports fans who are what he calls blue collar....I'll call them what he wanted to call them - racist pigs
The ones who boo jimmy and choke and worship Matt stairs....the ones who hate loud negroids but think chase utley and the flyers can do no wrong...ever
Love Jimmy, nothing he ever says should tarnish his image. He's a staple of the Philadelphia sports scene and maybe the most underrated player over the past 30 years in this city. He 100% deserves to be in the Hall. He earned that respect.
Quote from: SD on March 24, 2015, 10:31:15 AM
Love Jimmy, nothing he ever says should tarnish his image. He's a staple of the Philadelphia sports scene and maybe the most underrated player over the past 30 years in this city. He 100% deserves to be in the Hall. He earned that respect.
agreed and i have no issue with what he said, he didnt even single philly out. he said it's an east coast thing, nothing more, which it is.
He said this later in the interview (if you read the whole thing on foxsports (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-dodgers-philadelphia-phillies-jimmy-rollins-q-a-032315?adbsc=mlb_b42582926&adbid=580148498647011329&adbpl=tw&adbpr=22819823)):
Quote from: Jimmy RollinsI loved playing there. There is no doubt about that. It made me who I am. Playing there — I don't know — but it prepared me for this. This is so loose in comparison to Philly. I know how to go about my business. I know the boundaries. I won't cross 'em. I know what is on the other side isn't good. But you like that feeling. I know what I can get away with. I know what I can't get away with. Just because I can doesn't mean I should. But I get to make that decision.
A total non-issue to anyone with a brain.
I worship Stairs. Romeyracist?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 24, 2015, 12:06:02 PM
He said this later in the interview (if you read the whole thing on foxsports (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-dodgers-philadelphia-phillies-jimmy-rollins-q-a-032315?adbsc=mlb_b42582926&adbid=580148498647011329&adbpl=tw&adbpr=22819823)):
Quote from: Jimmy RollinsI loved playing there. There is no doubt about that. It made me who I am. Playing there — I don't know — but it prepared me for this. This is so loose in comparison to Philly. I know how to go about my business. I know the boundaries. I won't cross 'em. I know what is on the other side isn't good. But you like that feeling. I know what I can get away with. I know what I can't get away with. Just because I can doesn't mean I should. But I get to make that decision.
A total non-issue to anyone with a brain.
So Angelo and lil guy then?
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2015, 01:50:04 PM
I worship Stairs. Romeyracist?
of course.
and i'm even more sure that a loud brotha like jroll decided to be nice now that he's in l.a. and used the term, "blue collar" instead of racist pig like he really thinks.
because he's free to be himself now so why hold back right ?
could care less about any of this
the legend ran with it because thats what he does....good or bad, sensible or not, he's there to entertain
jimmy was the man but was not perfect. no one is. he got booed sometimes because he didnt run out ground balls. he's black and speaks his mind, so that surely doesnt help. anyway, who cares.
Quote from: SD on March 24, 2015, 10:31:15 AM
Love Jimmy, nothing he ever says should tarnish his image. He's a staple of the Philadelphia sports scene and maybe the most underrated player over the past 30 years in this city. He 100% deserves to be in the Hall. He earned that respect.
100% in Phillies hall of fame but not the baseball hall of fame. I'm in the camp that don't think his comments are that bad. Wait until they trade Hamels and Papelbon.
pc why not the regular hall? Match him up with Shortstops over the past 20-30 years and he has better stats both hitting and fielding, won an MVP, and has a WS ring.
He has about 2300 hits right now. If he can get up to 2750-2800, he's got a good shot at getting in. Right now his numbers look a lot like Alan Trammell's.
EDIT: With more steals.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 25, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
He has about 2300 hits right now. If he can get up to 2750-2800, he's got a good shot at getting in. Right now his numbers look a lot like Alan Trammell's.
EDIT: With more steals.
This sounds about right. Here is a snippet about shortstops making the hall:
The BBWAA has voted in just six post-integration players who either played most of their games or had their most valuable seasons at shortstop 1: Luis Aparacio, Ernie Banks, Barry Larkin, Cal Ripken, Jr., Ozzie Smith, and Robin Yount. So it seems there have been three different ways for a shortstop to get voted into the Hall of Fame by the BBWAA.
1. Reach a career batting milestone (3,000 hits or 500 pre-steroid-era home runs) that guarantees induction regardless of what position you played.
2. Amass more innings at short than any of your peers at short and own a reputation as the outstanding fielding shortstop of your time.
3. Retire with a career batting average near .300.
In the first category one finds Banks (512 home runs), Ripken (3,184 hits) and Yount (3,142 hits). In the second category one finds Aparacio (most defensive games at short upon retirement and 9 Gold Gloves) and Ozzie Smith (second-most defensive games at short upon retirement and 13 Gold Gloves). In the third category, one finds Larkin (.295 career batting average).
BA is a poor criteria to judge the worthiness of a HOF player. Jimmy's very similar to Larkin stat wise in almost every category except BA and he has a higher career fielding % than Ozzie Smith. For #3 who's been a better defensive NL SS over Jimmy's career? AL I guess you can make the case for Jeter but I'd say defensively they're at the very least on par.
2306 hits
479 doubles
111 triples
216hrs
887 rbi
453 stolen bases
.983% fielding
:yay hof IMO
Jimmy was a much better fielder than jeter...in fact jeter is incredibly overrated when it comes to defense
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2015, 01:57:12 PM
Jimmy was a much better fielder than jeter...in fact jeter is incredibly overrated when it comes to defense
I didn't want to be the one to say it because I'd come off as biased but I 100% agree. Jimmy is as good of a fielder as Ozzie Smith was. Maybe he wasn't as flashy and didn't do somersalts but he was every bit as good.
jimmy didnt look as flashy as ozzie because it came easier to him.
Quote from: SD on March 25, 2015, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2015, 01:57:12 PM
Jimmy was a much better fielder than jeter...in fact jeter is incredibly overrated when it comes to defense
I didn't want to be the one to say it because I'd come off as biased but I 100% agree. Jimmy is as good of a fielder as Ozzie Smith was. Maybe he wasn't as flashy and didn't do somersalts but he was every bit as good.
i love jeter...I mean who doesn't....but hes one of my favorite non philly athletes ever....but forget comparing him to jimmy he is just plain overrated when it comes to the field...there are so many balls jeter could only dream of getting to that jimmy made look relatively easy
Quote from: SD on March 25, 2015, 01:23:44 PM
BA is a poor criteria to judge the worthiness of a HOF player. Jimmy's very similar to Larkin stat wise in almost every category except BA and he has a higher career fielding % than Ozzie Smith.
BA is a far less problematic statistic than fielding %, which can be significantly hurt by a player's range. Most of the advanced defensive stats that take things like that into account have Smith as far and away the best defensive shortstop in history (although Jimmy is still excellent, certainly within the top 20 shortstops). In my opinion, that is what the eye test showed as well.
giles came out o the game today. im sure the phils will report it as an upset stomach and eventually reveal he's done for the season.
Bums have the biggest run differential this spring, -47. Yes it's only exhibition baseball but prepare thyself.
its going to be awesome to go to the ballpark this season and have room to put my feet up on the seat in front of me while enjoying my vodka and tonic and not disturb anyone.
Right? Liquor at the Phillies stadium seems like a smart thing to do. What could go wrong?
opininated fans, hard liquor, greesy food & a bad baseball team. sounds like a recipie for success.
lol the phils outrighted MAG
Leave it to ROOB to sign the one Cuban who can't play baseball.
once again roob does the impossible.
At least he didn't get locked into the original high ass deal.
Small victory?
their CF has never played above AA or played CF
I'd rather see that than another retread. Willie Mays would be swell too.
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2015, 12:21:44 PM
Leave it to ROOB to sign the one Cuban who can't play baseball.
And still believe it not many people wanted him to sign that scrub yasmany
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2015, 07:25:56 PM
At least he didn't get locked into the original high ass deal.
Small victory?
Stop
It's true.
by default. yay team !
The reason he was cheap is the same reason that they got him in the first place....it's the same reason Arizona got yasmany....cause they sucked
If one of the heavyweight mlb franchises don't end up with a Cuban free agent it's because they didn't want him cause he ain't that good
the phillies are the greatest franchise ever
what are you talking about
HA! Ben Revere hit a fricken walk off home run. Ahhh, exhibition baseball.
Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2015, 07:26:59 PM
the phillies are the greatest franchise ever
what are you talking about
77-80
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2015, 10:36:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2015, 07:26:59 PM
the phillies are the greatest franchise ever
what are you talking about
77-80
Got to add 76 to that.
(http://brlsq.net/mike/somuchpileup/logos/philadelphia76.jpg)
(http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/70/full/2256.gif)
I think they're making fun of me saying that's how many games they'd win.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2015, 12:05:16 AM
I think they're making fun of me saying that's how many games they'd win.
I do think that's overly optimistic. I think they'll be fortunate to get out of the season with less than 90 losses.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2015, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2015, 12:05:16 AM
I think they're making fun of me saying that's how many games they'd win.
I do think that's overly optimistic.
I love you guys
Ben Revere and Odubel are gonna show ya what's up!
what happened to being an annoying kinda cute thought you had to be a homer to deflect the fact that you are from Houston at heart dood to being complete and utter unindearing troll
like when did this happen?
I...I don't understand what you just said.
basically you went from being a normal romey/pg type homer to going over the top and being the biggest homer ever as a way to counteract that you are a houston dood
its not a good look and I was wondering when it happened
Most of it is a counteract to lil guys over the top hate. Ying to yang.
I'm still the same. Actually less homeriffic than I was when I was younger. That and I'm a natural optimist.
And the only thing Houston about me is my zip code.
in 2011 i was getting yelled at for telling people to calm down over some regular season loss because the phillies were unreal......now im an over the top hater because i know they suck
everything ive said about the phillies has been right for like 5 years. its not hater or homer or anything. just the realest of the real.
Everyone who posts here with the exception of j knew they were heading for disaster. You aren't some prophet. Everyone just got sick of hearing about it.
2011 thread:
Average post:"Lee pitched a good game today"
Your post: "See you guys don't get it in 3 years this team is gonna blow"
Over/under on losses I'll set the line at 95
Quote from: MDS on April 04, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
everything ive said about the phillies has been right for like 5 years. its not hater or homer or anything. just the realest of the real.
actually you held on way too long....you used to be a phillie homer yelling at me four years ago when I was saying blow it up...you did eventually come around but it was way late
shtein you were calling for yasmany this offseason
Quote from: SD on April 04, 2015, 12:26:54 PM
Over/under on losses I'll set the line at 95
just about right on...vegas has is at 94.5
OVER
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2015, 02:12:30 AM
Actually less homeriffic than I was when I was younger.
is that even possible?
Quote from: SD on April 04, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
Everyone who posts here with the exception of j knew they were heading for disaster. You aren't some prophet. Everyone just got sick of hearing about it.
2011 thread:
Average post:"Lee pitched a good game today"
Your post: "See you guys don't get it in 3 years this team is gonna blow"
incorrect....i was in fully zen mode enjoying 2011 for what it was. after that team CHOKED i was saying blow it up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 04, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
everything ive said about the phillies has been right for like 5 years. its not hater or homer or anything. just the realest of the real.
actually you held on way too long....you used to be a phillie homer yelling at me four years ago when I was saying blow it up...you did eventually come around but it was way late
shtein you were calling for yasmany this offseason
you're a battered wife sports fan....always thinking danger is lurking around every corner. youve been beaten too many times to think that something good might happen to you. except for the sixers, where you are a disgusting homer even j thinks is over the top.
and yes...im still IN on yasmany. who cares about the phillies payroll. if youre going to waste 60 mil on something like some random cuban, why not? all it wouldve cost them is money, which they have.
wanting yasmany is stupid but fine....just don't say you were ahead of some Phillies curve cause you were on board not that long ago...shtein if I felt like looking I can find a few posts from this offseason where you were saying they had some promising young guys - giles or some shtein - and that they weren't far away...or something along those lines
if things shake out right, they could be good in 2 years. that's not far fetched.
is it likely? no. are they still going to lose 100 this year? of course. was some of it trolling at sixers sheep? perhaps.
it is far fetched...they are five years away minimum...and you've actually said that too...in fact pretty sure you've dropped a ten year timeline on more than one occasion....for whatever reason you are kinda skitzo when it comes to the phils
What could shake out in 2 years? Think we covered this already but they have no one to get excited over. No possible cornerstone player. Even when they were bad before there was sRolen or Burrell or Jimmy or someone to give you hope...they have nothing.
Quote from: SD on April 04, 2015, 03:12:33 PM
What could shake out in 2 years? Think we covered this already but they have no one to get excited over. No possible cornerstone player. Even when they were bad before there was sRolen or Burrell or Jimmy or someone to give you hope...they have nothing.
exactly....they need to get to where the cubs are now....shtein Id even take a flyers equivalent how they are with their crop of young defenseman....but that's at least three years away
they are in the worst possible position where they have horrific talent on both the 40 man and in all levels of their system
Quote from: SD on April 04, 2015, 03:12:33 PM
What could shake out in 2 years? Think we covered this already but they have no one to get excited over. No possible cornerstone player. Even when they were bad before there was sRolen or Burrell or Jimmy or someone to give you hope...they have nothing.
franco-asche-herrera
the current reading phillies rotation
jp
hamels trade
tons of salary space
things dont generally work out so nice and tidy like that, but its possible. the 5-year timeline seems more reasonable. the 10-year + is possible, too. there's no way of knowing if jp or nola arent going to be good ML talent until they actually do it.
that's why it seems like im skitzo, because nobody really has any clue when/if this thing is going to get better.
To me the clock doesn't even start until the day RAJ is gone.
Two years? Two years after RAJ is shteincanned.
Five years? Five years after RAJ is shteincanned.
Nothing is going to even start until that insufferable prick is fired.
And then they'd just hire someone from within
Need Middleton to gain full ownership control and let him go scorched earth
Dustin McGowan signed to a one yr deal
See ya in October
you cant make those jokes when you picked them to win the world series
I did no such thing.
if you think they can win 80, you think they can win 85....85 might get them in the playoffs....if theyre in the playoffs they have a shot
you think they can win 80.
lol
I'd bet you but nah...I'll enjoy being right and thumping my chest :-*
i honestly kind of feel sorry for you that youre like this
there's only so many times you can tell the religious person theyre in a cult before you just have to let them go. this is me letting you go. its time for you to roam free, young dove. fly away, fly away.....
Did you see that he was somehow a bigger homer a few years ago than he is now
Oh for sure. Being young and hopeful even when they had Amaury Telemaco pitching or mike Mimbs, Mike Grace and Bobby Estalella? My grandpop used to tell me to get used to being disappointed because they stink.
So I've mellowed over the years considerably.
Being optimistic isn't being a blind homer, knuckleheads!
you cant do some shtein and be like what the farg
but never on no sunday picking the phillies to win a world series in 2015
How the farg did I pick them when I said they'd win like 77-81?
Saying they will win 80 is the same as saying they will win the world series
there isnt 1 person on earth who thinks they can win even 70
Ok ok you guys are right.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2015, 11:54:30 PM
Ok ok you guys are right.
you think a team with an outfield of ben revere, odubel herrera and grady sizemore is going to win the world series
lol are you trying to work at FOX News? Your ability to twist is hall of fame worthy
so let me get this straight
the phillies are going to win 80 games....NOT 60, NOT 70, NOT 75, NOT 85, NOT 90. Just 80. they cant finish 5 games better? that could be 2nd wild card worthy. then theyre IN. and they have a shot.
gooooooooooo phils
I'm IN!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2015, 12:06:58 AM
I'm IN!
should sandberg go harang, williams or billingsly after hamels in the playoff rotation
Your 2015 World Series MVP.... Cliff Lee
MAG
Wgaf