For two future picks
Waiting to see which ones
Interesting
I like Brown though he wasn't a great fit for Chip's offense, he tries to bounce everything to the outside. Who backs up Shady now? Sproles is more of a receiver coming out of the backfield. Does Polk step up?
God I hope not...watching Polk get all those carries last year was frustrating.
I really liked Bryce Brown. Was hoping he'd stick around and be Shady insurance until either his contract was up or Shady inevitably broke down.
Quote from: Munson on May 10, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
God I hope not...watching Polk get all those carries last year was frustrating.
I really liked Bryce Brown. Was hoping he'd stick around and be Shady insurance until either his contract was up or Shady inevitably broke down.
Chris Polk got 11 carries last year.
lololol
Looks like it may not be two picks as many first said
Rather a conditional fourth next year that could be a third in 2016
Eagles like Polk a lot. With him, Shady and Sproles there's not enough carries to go around. Plus Bryce doesn't play special teams as well as Polk.
Be on the lookout for a D'Anthony Thomas selection now
Polk is fine as a backup and to get carries every now and again. If Shady goes down I hate him as an every down guy. Brown on the other hand has more talent and if he learned how to follow blocks could be good. I like the trade because he doesn't get many carries but his depth was nice.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 10, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 10, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
God I hope not...watching Polk get all those carries last year was frustrating.
I really liked Bryce Brown. Was hoping he'd stick around and be Shady insurance until either his contract was up or Shady inevitably broke down.
Chris Polk got 11 carries last year.
Hah, it seemed like so much more than that. Shady would go for like 8 yards on 2 carries and then Polk would come in on 3rd and 2 and I'd be screaming where's Shady. Hard to believe it was only 11 times.
if bryce brown doesnt fit the offense then polk fits it like trying to farg in a swimming pool
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 12:59:01 PM
Looks like it may not be two picks as many first said
Rather a conditional fourth next year that could be a third in 2016
Eagles like Polk a lot. With him, Shady and Sproles there's not enough carries to go around. Plus Bryce doesn't play special teams as well as Polk.
Be on the lookout for a D'Anthony Thomas selection now
3rd rounder would be nice. Buffalo still has Spiller and Jackson though, so I wonder what the condition is.
Quote from: Munson on May 10, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 10, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 10, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
God I hope not...watching Polk get all those carries last year was frustrating.
I really liked Bryce Brown. Was hoping he'd stick around and be Shady insurance until either his contract was up or Shady inevitably broke down.
Chris Polk got 11 carries last year.
Hah, it seemed like so much more than that. Shady would go for like 8 yards on 2 carries and then Polk would come in on 3rd and 2 and I'd be screaming where's Shady. Hard to believe it was only 11 times.
And 3 of the 11 rushes went for TDs. I remember being pretty okay with those at the time.
Quote@AlbertBreer: The pick Bills sent to Philly is a conditional pick from SF. If it's a 4, Eagles get it next year. If it's a 3, Eagles get Buffalo's 2016 4.
btw how awful a trade is this for buffalo....running backs barely get drafted before the 3rd round anymore yet they gave up a 4th for bb?
throw in the other picks they have traded next year and this is really dumb
I remember one of them being in garbage time against Denver...don't rememeber if that was the long one or not
Quote@Jeff_McLane: A little more clarity on compensation for Bryce Brown: #Eagles and #Bills swap 7th rders and Birds get 1 of 3: '15 4th or '16 3d or '16 4th.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:04:21 PM
@AlbertBreer: The pick Bills sent to Philly is a conditional pick from SF. If it's a 4, Eagles get it next year. If it's a 3, Eagles get Buffalo's 2016 4.
So they basically traded Stevie Johnson for Bryce Brown. Bad move.
I really didn't think they'd get higher than a 5th or 6th for Brown, so a 4th is great value. Now the Bills have Spiller/Jackson/Brown...why have that many backs unless one is on the move.
being able to stop watching the draft at 224 instead of 237 is the best move the eagles have made in the entire draft
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:04:25 PM
btw how awful a trade is this for buffalo....running backs barely get drafted before the 3rd round anymore yet they gave up a 4th for bb?
throw in the other picks they have traded next year and this is really dumb
Sort of what I'm thinking. The best RBs in CFB go in the 2nd now. The bills could be giving up an early 3rd for BB.
you can pretty much get running backs anywhere and they are so dependent on other positions....why trade for one
and its not like there havent been any terrible running back trades in the recent past that buffalo could have referenced....even joe banner knows this
Good trade. I like Brown's potential, but he obviously wasn't working in Chip's system last year. A change of scenery and a new system might do him good. I'm guessing this means that Fred Jackson's job is in jeopardy since he (Brown) is the exact opposite of CJ Spiller.
Fred Jackson is a grandfather. Of course his job is in jeopardy.
Getting something for your third/fourth string RB is pretty remarkable. Well done.
confirmed today that it will indeed be a 4th in this years draft
could chip pull off something as good as this?
Like someone said to The Jaccson Hit Piece Author on twitter...making a deal for a 4th rounder isn't something to get all fired up about.
Good deal by Howie - bad deal by Buffalo.
whats this have to do witht he pimp hit piece?
The dude who wrote it, Shorr-Parks, mentioned on Twitter
QuoteEliot Shorr-ParksVerified account @EliotShorrParks
Whoever Chip hires as new GM/personnel guy will be hard pressed to pull off a better deal than Howie did in getting a 4th for Bryce Brown
And someone replied that it was over the top to praise acquiring a 4th rounder.
I actually thought Buffalo underused him.
Which makes sense now that its coming out that Marrone was severely limiting the offense.
Whoever they hire will do these deals, not Kelly.
Other than that, great insights.
chip didnt trust or respect howie, thats the whole reason this thing started a year or so ago.
but chip isnt sitting on the phone and negotiating a trade....thats for whatever front office bitch he hires and can therefore control.
so the answer is no
We get a 4th round pick for Bryce Brown, but can't get shtein for Jaccson? Weird.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 05, 2015, 06:18:51 PM
We get a 4th round pick for Bryce Brown, but can't get shtein for Jaccson? Weird.
the difference between howies moves and chips moves
lol come on
Like Howie didn't try to trade him?
Are you going to make Howie into Jimmy Johnson or Bill Polian?
He's either on a weeklong bender or an all-time trolling expedition.
There's no reason it can't be both.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 07:18:34 PM
lol come on
Like Howie didn't try to trade him?
Are you going to make Howie into Jimmy Johnson or Bill Polian?
howie is nothing special but chip so far has been horrific
He made a bad call on DeSean
What else?
the last two drafts...lol....do you need more?...hes been here for less than two years
lol but it ain't all him
Take down that Roseman statue man!
ive already stated im glad howie is gone
so howie took all these pac 12 and oregon guys plus all the other guys who fit perfectly into chips model as a player?
its actually embarrassing that you would look at the last two drafts and try to say they werent chips
its no different than when howie tried to say he didnt have anything to do with drafts until the one good one in 2012
But what's being reported is not exactly that - they're saying Chip had influence and had final call on the 53 but that everything else was a collaborative effort. So obviously Howie had to be calling shots at times right ?
And if Chip was the everything for draft and personnel why force Howie out if he already had final say ??
Whatever j, you should be so embarrassed that you're actually ashamed of yourself. FOR SHAME!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 08:08:59 PM
But what's being reported is not exactly that - they're saying Chip had influence and had final call on the 53 but that everything else was a collaborative effort. So obviously Howie had to be calling shots at times right ?
And if Chip was the everything for draft and personnel why force Howie out if he already had final say ??
howie hasnt been calling the shots since chip got here that much is clear...you think chip had final say on the 53 but not the players who were drafted...those are the guys that are gonna be on the 53
stop paying attention to awful writers who are reporting stuff after the blow up and watch what the actual moves have been...its like you have blocked out or didn't pay attention to the last two years and are going by what elliott shore parks has to say now because it may fit your pro chip narrative
even the one home run they have it...fixing the special teams....was clearly all chips doing
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 05, 2015, 08:15:44 PM
Whatever j, you should be so embarrassed that you're actually ashamed of yourself. FOR SHAME!
I shall wear the cone of shame... :-[
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 08:08:59 PM
But what's being reported is not exactly that - they're saying Chip had influence and had final call on the 53 but that everything else was a collaborative effort. So obviously Howie had to be calling shots at times right ?
And if Chip was the everything for draft and personnel why force Howie out if he already had final say ??
howie hasnt been calling the shots since chip got here that much is clear...you think chip had final say on the 53 but not the players who were drafted...those are the guys that are gonna be on the 53
stop paying attention to awful writers who are reporting stuff after the blow up and watch what the actual moves have been...its like you have blocked out or didn't pay attention to the last two years and are going by what elliott shore parks has to say now because it may fit your pro chip narrative
even the one home run they have it...fixing the special teams....was clearly all chips doing
I do form my own opinions and I know he has a huge influence on players. I mean, that is pretty much how it is with every coach and their system. Them and the personnel people identify people that will fit their scheme and philosophy.
Chip isn't without blame or fault on the mistakes...I am not absolving him of the fargups. But I believe that, while he had a hand in it, everything wasn't on him.
But regardles...now everything IS on him...so lets see what's up. This is the most anticipated off-season for me in quite some time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 10:18:52 PM
This is the most anticipated off-season for me in quite some time.
Totally agree. This is the most anxious I've been since the off season leading into 2004. Hoping, praying, losing and finally getting TO was unprecedented. Throw in Kearse and that was an off season for the ages. To bad Kearse only showed up for the first 4 games and disappeared after that.
eagle fans have been saying this is the most anticipated offseason since 1960
while i was absolutely fascinated with the power plays that went on last week really nothing has changed but titles...chip is still making the picks...i dont have much faith that it will happen but my anticipation is in seeing if chip will come off his philosophy somewhat with howie now gone...perhaps he listens more to whoever he chooses as "GM" than he did howie...or does he hire someone who buys into his way of thinking...all i know is they need a huge influx of talent on the roster not culture not bachelor degrees not versatility not length....TALENT
but this isnt even the most anticipated offseason in the last two years....when andy was finally fired that was HUGE and provided shtein tons of anticipation and hope
yeah how the farg is this more anticipated than chip's first offseason?
It's impossible to be YOUR most anticipated off-season because someone else feels differently.
Remember that, motherfargers.
anyone who thinks this offseason is bigger than after andy got fired/chip got hired or the TO year is 100% wrong...FACT
No.
Fight me now!!
actually TO is a bad example as that happened during that offseason....leading into that offseason was complete apathy after the carolina nfcc game loss
I'll never forget the night they landed TO.
Sheer excitement. He was answering questions on his website in real time as everything was going down. I think Roob was on WIP giving pbp updates.
the build up of anger and frustration of the wr's for years....then of course the agony of the conf champ losses and a WR savoir arrives.....nothing will ever be better than that training camp...I almost enjoyed being up there more than I did the regular season...I might as well have moved into a dorm at lehigh that summer....I bet i was there for 10 days
You and me both...I took my vacation days at work just to be up there. I think that is when me and Beermonkey saw you and you said the sun was about to kill ya.
The day when the traffic was backed up and people couldn't make it in and were parked on the road just listening to the radio? That day Gargano and Martorano couldn't even make it in to do the show.
Ah, the good old days.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2015, 08:36:50 PM
You and me both...I took my vacation days at work just to be up there. I think that is when me and Beermonkey saw you and you said the sun was about to kill ya.
The day when the traffic was backed up and people couldn't make it in and were parked on the road just listening to the radio? That day Gargano and Martorano couldn't even make it in to do the show.
no I saw you guys a few years later....I don't even think I was on the board then and if I was I didn't know either of you
yeah that was the first friday....I purposely didn't go that day for that exact reason....altho I didn't think it would be that bad...I was more concerned with having to leave my house at 3am to get up there in time to not be six deep on the fence...I was there I think on thursday and it was nuts so I knew the weekend was gonna be out of control...people forget because of TO but that was also jevon kearse too
Ah ok..all those years run together. And just thinking about them taking camp away from Lehigh infuriates me. Goddamn iceholes.
Yep the TO and Freak show...insane. Beermonkey was in love with Kearse. It was hilarious.
Lehigh Valley strippers FTW.
I wonder how many of them Herremans used to pick up in the rape wagon?