Let's get this bitch started by posting this gem:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/chris-steubers-eagles-mock-draft-20
Steubing. How does this guy get paid to write?
That guy is such a fraud.
But he was the personnel guy for the Georgia Force!
Projected trade with Steelers? God I hate when they do that.
I haven't read much of his stuff, mostly because of how bad what I saw was. But I agree with most of what he wrote there, though I think the Eagles might be able to get Barr more cheaply. I'd like to see the Eagles go WR in the 1st but if Barr is available at 15 I'd go for it for a 3rd and 5th which I think they probably could get him for if no one else is in the bidding for the Steelers slot. Steubid's proposed 1st, 3rd and 4th is a little too much though in a deep draft and with so many places in need of upgrade.
I disagree with him (and most others) that they badly need to upgrade at OLB. Barwin did a good job on the strong side. Cole wasn't too good in the early season but neither was anybody else. He came on strong with 8 sacks in the last half of the year (where he usually fades). His salary balloons after this season but if need be they could wait til next year to address the rush backer position imo so I wouldn't go overboard, even for a great prospect like Barr. I'd give up about as much to get Barr as Dion Jordan.
A bonus with going up to get Barr though is it also keeps a potential game changer away from Dallas who would be looking to replace Demarcus Ware (NYG could also be interested in him).
please get the white linebacker....please!!
Quote from: MDS on April 21, 2014, 04:02:41 AM
please get the white linebacker....please!!
superbowl shuffle of white doods
its all about character guys
character and heart win super bowl titles. talent does not.
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2014, 06:27:44 PM
Let's get this bitch started by posting this gem:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/chris-steubers-eagles-mock-draft-20
Steubing. How does this guy get paid to write?
Colt Brennan has the it factor
they shouldnot trade up in this draft at all....i dont care who falls....its one of the deepest drafts in years and they dont have a lot of picks to begin with...if anything they should be looking to trade back and acquire picks
Historically speaking that's usually not the smart thing to do. More Pro Bowl players come from the top 15 picks than the rest of the draft combined. It's not like one player is going to magically transform them into the 89 49ers, but still, if they see a guy that they feel is worth going up for they shouldn't be skittish about it despite their uneven/borderline putrid draft history.
top 15 includes the top 5 though right?
i dont know the math but im guessing that the number 15 pick doesnt turn out significantly better than the number 23 pick....if at all
its also proven that the more players you pick the odds go up that one of them will pan out
They could always trade out of the 1st and grab a pro-bowl WR/PR in the 2nd round that they'll end up cutting in 6 years.
The last five drafts from 2012-2008:
2012 - 5/15
2011 - 11/15
2010 - 10/15
2009 - 3/15
2008 - 5/15
So 34 out of 75 players in the top 15 of those drafts made the Pro Bowl.
I didn't do 16-32 but judging from the first stats, I'd say going up is worth the risk just in sheer numbers (45% chosen make the PB).
Granted the Pro Bowl is useless but that's a pretty decent indicator of talent.
Is that the first selections to the Pro Bowl, or is that taking into account every player that got in because 10 other players got hurt, "injured", or were playing in the super bowl? This is important.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2014, 11:12:14 AM
The last five drafts from 2012-2008:
2012 - 5/15
2011 - 11/15
2010 - 10/15
2009 - 3/15
2008 - 5/15
So 34 out of 75 players in the top 15 of those drafts made the Pro Bowl.
I didn't do 16-32 but judging from the first stats, I'd say going up is worth the risk just in sheer numbers (45% chosen make the PB).
Granted the Pro Bowl is useless but that's a pretty decent indicator of talent.
the problem with this is that you are including picks at the very top of the draft....if you are telling me the eagles can trade up and get jadevon clowney then id be all for it...but what we are talking about here is the eagles possibly moving up a few slots to get an anthony barr if he drops....theres a big difference btwn a top five pick and getting a guy at number 15 whose stock is sinkholeing around the league...in other words you are including in your math picks that the eagles have no chance of getting this year
How about a list of the last 6 guys picked at 22:
Desmond Trufant
Brandon Weeden
Anthony Costonzo
Demaryius Thomas
Percy Harvin
Felix Jones
Seriously, go up. Yeah, the Eagles have farged up royally in the past but they seem to have their shtein together now in terms of talent evaluation in the early rounds, so why not?
Also - I would agree that the more players you pick should give you a better shot at hitting on them but I'd rather go after a sure(r) thing high than a bunch of fallers in later rounds.
I guess it depends on how snugly you feel with Howie's team of talent guys. If you're confident in them hitting on later picks, then by all means hope for them to trade back. I'm not quite there yet, though.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
How about a list of the last 6 guys picked at 22:
Desmond Trufant
Brandon Weeden
Anthony Costonzo
Demaryius Thomas
Percy Harvin
Felix Jones
Seriously, go up. Yeah, the Eagles have farged up royally in the past but they seem to have their shtein together now in terms of talent evaluation in the early rounds, so why not?
Also - I would agree that the more players you pick should give you a better shot at hitting on them but I'd rather go after a sure(r) thing high than a bunch of fallers in later rounds.
I guess it depends on how snugly you feel with Howie's team of talent guys. If you're confident in them hitting on later picks, then by all means hope for them to trade back. I'm not quite there yet, though.
having good football people in your PP dept is a reason not to trade up imo....if you strongly believe in your evals then the more picks you have the better
im by no means against trading up in the right scenario...i love power moves...and as the draft unfolds maybe something will present itself whereits justified....but as we sit here now i think this year presents a really strong case to not trade up....you have the fewest picks youve had in a decade a roster that has glaring holes and poor depth and are facing the deepest draft in a long time....to me that says acquire picks not trade them away
I don't want to give the results away but let's just say Jay voted for a certain someone on this list at least 1,400 times.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/NFL_Draft_All-time_greatest_Eagles_player_taken_in_each_round.html
Hahaha nice
Pulling Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmons in the 8th and 9th round of the farging terrible 1986 draft has got to be the Eagles biggest draft coup ever.
Seth should be in the HOF
I'm for trading up if Evans gets beyond #10. I realize the draft is deep at WR but I think he's going to be special.
What if Teddy B falls to them at 22? I know Folezzzzz is the next Joe Montana and all, but damn, someone is gonna be getting a special player if the "experts" are right about him pulling an Aaron Rodgers. I might think about it.
would be unfathomable to me to take another pocket qb there....if chip wanted to upgrade the position by adding mobility and having a different look than foles then i could see
What if they traded Foles for a first and still got Teddy?
Also - aren't you the same guy who would have sold your soul to the farging devil to get him six months ago?
yeah i think hes gonna be really good and i like him a lot....but that doesnt change the fact that the pick itself wouldnt make much sense
even in that trade scenario it doesnt make much sense...im a wait and see guy on foles but still one great nfl year > zero great nfl years
can you imagine the limb youd be putting yourself out on by trading a guy that just went 28td/2int for an unproven rookie who slipped in the draft
Probably a limb similar to the one where you cut a 27 year-old wide receiver coming off a 1,300 yard/10 td career year?
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Probably a limb similar to the one where you cut a 27 year-old wide receiver coming off a 1,300 yard/10 td career year?
side note: were any of you guys the ten people that watched jackson on the arsenio hall show ?
Arsenio Hall has a show?! Is this 1989?
If Teddy B drops to the Eagles pick then they should be looking to trade out of that spot with a team like Houston who will want to get back into the 1st for a QB
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
Arsenio Hall has a show?! Is this 1989?
apparently ... i thought he was dead. :paranoid
Clinton-Dix visited, and Chip will be attending Cody Latimer's workout on Friday. Kiper has Latimer as one of the rising guys and he might end up in the late 1st
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2014, 02:37:42 PM
Chip will be attending Cody Latimer's workout on Friday. Kiper has Latimer as one of the rising guys and he might end up in the late 1st
mcshay latest mock:
22. Philadelphia Eagles: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana
This is a bit of a reach based on where I have Latimer ranked on my board -- 34th overall -- but the Eagles need a receiver and I'm a big fan of Latimer's game. He has very good size, toughness and instincts in addition to good straight-line speed, strong run-after-catch ability and a big catching radius. He also has reliable hands -- in the five game tapes I watched of his, he didn't drop a single pass. I think he could be a very good fit in Chip Kelly's offense.
McShay can suck it. Fix the farging defensive backfield please.
And then get Benjamin if he falls into the 2nd.
what if the best guy available in louis nix ?
That's why I want them to go up.
romeys boy steubs is on wip right now.....jesus is he terrible
one of the things he said was that his first choice is marqise lee....fine....but then he listed his top three and number 3 was allen robinson
That guy is a fargin joke
MDS knows more about satisfying women than that dope knows about football.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/01/eagles-g-m-says-safety-class-is-not-a-good-group-overall/
So Howie agrees with what I said months ago. If they don't get Clinton-Dix or Pryor in the 1st or Deone Bucannon on day 2, there's no point in wasting a pick on any of the rest
You definitely didn't say that.
Liar.
jimmy ward and terrance brooks are day one starters in the nfl...both are better than buchanan....and i like both better than ha ha
dion bailey is nice with his too
safety class isn't the greatest but theres 7-8 draftable day 1 or 2 guys
A lot of chatter about them really liking Odell Beckham from LSU....
QuoteThe Eagles posses the 22nd overall pick in the draft, and SI.com's Peter King is reporting that he is hearing the Eagles "want in on the prime receiver action."
King went on to say, specifically, the Eagles are interested in LSU's Odell Beckham Jr. Beckham Jr., 5'11″, 198 pounds, is shifty, fast, has excellent playmaking abilities and quick hands, plus he has experience as a returner. As a junior, Beckham Jr. had 59 catches for 1,152 yards and 8 touchdowns with LSU last season.
King says the Eagles might need to move up to get Beckham Jr., who very well may be gone by the time the Eagles pick at 22. According to King, Roseman is talking to "at least two teams in the mid-round neighborhood" to possibly trade up and get Beckham Jr.
King mentioned former USC wide receiver, Marqise Lee, as a potential backup plan for the Eagles if they cannot snag Beckham Jr.
I saw 5'11, 198, and immediately assumed he played linebacker. Those Andy Reid years left some emotional scars.
"prime receiver action" is not odell beckham....its sammy or mike evans
if they give up picks to go get odell i will be so salty...shtein i would have reservations about trading up for sammy and i think hes the best player in the draft behind clowney
why the farg would you cut a "prime" wr then give up picks in a great draft for a rookie who might be one
of course its probably all bullshtein anyway
Beckham is who I want if he's available at their pick. That being said, I don't need them getting rid of a 2nd, or a 1st next year to go and make that happen.
Yeah OBJ may turn out to be a good player but nothing struck me about him at LSU as elite and I watched a shtein ton of LSU games.
He won't be the BPA at 22.
Drafting him after releasing DeSean is stupid. Get your receiver depth later on since The Offensive Jesus thinks any swinging dick can catch balls in his offense. Jordan Matthews from Vandy? I like him and many other who'll be there later.
OLB or safety is the move. Or a trade back if a QB is slipping and someone wants back into the first.
I like the idea of getting one of the receivers with high end speed, not as a knee jerk reaction to losing Jackson but because of the synergy with Shady. And also because I want to hear Chip say he drafted him for football reasons.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 05, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
I saw 5'11, 198, and immediately assumed he played linebacker. Those Andy Reid years left some emotional scars.
HA!
each day i become more convinced that they are going to be the trading partner for a team wanting to get back into the 1st to get a QB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2014, 11:23:41 PM
Yeah OBJ may turn out to be a good player but nothing struck me about him at LSU as elite and I watched a shtein ton of LSU games.
i agree....he does nothing for me...not saying he is going to stink but he never stood out in all my years of watching him....id much rather have brandon cooks...in general tho i don't understand the thinking behind trading up for a wr in this draft
Unless it's Watkins or Evans trading up is dumb. And even then the draft is so deep that trading up isn't the best idea. Stay put or trade down.
They really have to go BPA on defense. Moseley, Barr, Dix....hopefully one will be there or within reach
three guys at each spot im looking for....not saying all will be available at the eagles exact pick in each round and they may be drafted because of a trade up or back but this is who I like...also included the 6th round as i cant imagine the eagles wont make a move to get a pick there
first round
jeremiah attaochu - OLB – this is probably early here but perhaps they take him in a trade back...love his pass rush ceiling....was amazing against georgia last year...I believe he had 5 sacks in the game but whatever it was he was just a monster
ryan shazier - OLB – four down backer than can cause havoc in the backfield or run with any te...great athlete and versatile which chip likes but hes not long or big which chip also seems to like...but these are my picks not my predictions
kelvin bejamin/brandin cooks - WR – love both of these guys...benjamin would be the eagles alshon jeffery a playmaking deep threat that will go up and get it rather than outrun you.... and cooks would be the eagles more athletic version of a wes welker/danny amendola...impossible to cover out of the slot but with even more quickness speed and yac
second round
jimmy ward - S – very good cover safety that will be able to start from day 1...also has the versatility to move up and make a tackle...would be a perfect guy to have back in coverage on the field with nate allen when Jenkins is up on the line
dee ford - OLB – this may be a tad low for him...but one way or another I would love to get him...however he may drop because is a tweener type...an edge rusher in a 4-3 who is too small or an olb in a 3-4 who isn't fluid enough...bottom line is the eagles need people to get to the qb and he should be able to do it
donte moncrief - WR – ridiculous talent...have loved him since high school...they dont take a wr in the first this would be my target
third round
terrence brooks - S – should b a day 1 starter in the league...can man up cats or run around like a maniac deep...poor mans ed reed
will clark – DE - long as shtein.....not the edge rusher that dion jordan was but a similar (albeit less talented) player
robert herron – offense - kid can fly....played rb in high school so could be a toy for chip..just a perfect fit in this offense
fourth round
dominque easly – DL – explosive off the ball guy that I think could fit perfect as a 3-4 DE...there are injury concerns but if healthy he would be a steal here
martevious bryant – WR – this may be a low for him but with how deep this wr draft is he could be a 4th round steal...got length and can stretch the field...not many like that in this draft
louie purifoy – CB - hes a hit or miss guy to me but if you hit on him he has a chance to be a top flight shut down corner....4th round seems a place to do dive into something like that
** - I am adding a fourth here just because I love him so much...telvin smith – OLB – doesnt really fit in a 3-4 but this guy is going to be the steal of the draft imo...reminds a lot of lavonte david
fifth round
larry webster – DE – got a chip kelly body and chip kelly versatility...ive seen some places that say he could be a great TE in the league...i think he could develop into a great edge rusher
wesley johnson – OL – dont get it twisted he far less athletic but hes not completely different from lane johnson in his ability to get out in the opena nd downfield...and hes even more versatile in that he could move pretty much anywhere on the OL if you needed him to
james gayle – OLB – most places ive seen have him going much higher....i think hes a one dimensional edge guy and that limitation will caue him to drop....but I also think he is a guy that can play outside in a 3-4 and get him man...i will be watching myself to see how off I am on where he ultimately goes
sixth round
john brown – WR – return man massive playmaking ability
brandon watts – OLB – wish he was a little taller because he is a super athlete that can run anywhere on the field which makes him a great coverage....special team and even a potential pass rush guy
l daminan washington – WR – big rangy cat that can spread a field
seventh round
damian williams – RB – pefect spread offense pass catcher type back....has mad off the field issues but hey it the 7th round
ryan jones – C – great quickness that would allow him to get out and block people....slight of build that nothing a weight room cant handle....would be a perfect depth guy for the line
eric pinkins – S – be honest I never heard of him until the combine where he looked so good...watched some youtube and other online film since and he is a moldable piece that shows promise
Good stuff
I agreed on the first rounders. I will dig into the others tomorrow. Attachou is a pass rusher first and they desperately need someone to come in and be a force.
Love Dee Ford too.
I always will take guys who produce over the measurable guys. That's why I loved brandon Marshall and Greg Jennings when they came out. Production.
And that's why I want Matthews from Vandy
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-love-1st-round-linemen-results-arent-great
I have zero interest in Benjamin in the first round.
IGY, can't argue with any of your first round picks. I have to admit I have sipped the Benjamin Kool-Aid. I love the kid. Attaochu may be available in the 2nd round. Guys a beast.
Like your Robert Herron pick. Saw him when Wyoming played Hawaii. He had 10, maybe more, catches and I think he scored 5 touchdowns? Guy was fun to watch.
The problem with Benjamin is it's all upside projection, and in a draft that has legit WRs, I don't want to roll the dice in round 1. He's huge but he's not fast, doesn't have great hands, and all the scouting reports I've read said he doesn't run very good routes. So you're basically taking him to be a RZ threat and then hoping you can coach the rest of those things that he is lacking in comparison to the others who will be going rd1.
im too lazy to google but how many on igy's list are honkies?
They need more than Benjamin but if he's there at 22 you have to consider taking him. I think Howie trades out of the first round, though. And I think he''ll be there in the second if that's what they're looking for. They have to address the defensive backfield first regardless of what Howie says about sticking to the board.
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2014, 02:57:31 AM
im too lazy to google but how many on igy's list are honkies?
Three. Jeremiah Attaochu, Martevis Bryant which he misspelled Martevious, and Ryan Jones.
you can only mis spell something if you know how its spelled in the first place
Gut feeling is the Eagles try to get too fancy, screw up a trade, and wind up selecting at 22.
SD, that's guaranteed. Why would anyone expect anything more?
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/MooCriket/screenhunter_03-dec-10-1329-1.jpg)
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ha-ha-clinton-dix-eagles-come-get-me
Yeahhhh let's go, Howie.
Haha
Barr
Moseley
My top three
Id love him at 22...I wouldn't trade up for him. Usually I'm against taking safeties in the 1st but there's always exceptions. Barr is my realistic wish. They'll probably go in a completely different direction
Sal Pal thinks they're trying to get into the top 10 for Watkins or Evans
Watkins is going top five right?
Evans? Loved watching him play but is he worth a kings ransom?
Who other than Brandon Graham is getting dealt this weekend?
Watkins won't fall out of the top 5...Evans out of the top 10. Smokescreen
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
you can only mis spell something if you know how its spelled in the first place
there's a real existential majesty to this...
lol
I think overall draft goes according to script till 15 or so and then all hell breaks loose. Eagles with a paucity of picks will be ready to pounce in that vicinity if they can to move up for a crazy good player at need, or back according to their board. If not they pick at position and my wager is that for first three rounds it'll be between good and great with no real head scratchers like Andy era. Solid B+ draft with some holes filled, some not. Maybe trade some late rounders from next year or player to move up a few slots in third or so...
Relief from Andy eye-bleeding reaches and projects, but in reality, 6 picks starting at 22 will likely leave birds sticking to their knitting...not a bad thing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2014, 07:41:18 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ha-ha-clinton-dix-eagles-come-get-me
Yeahhhh let's go, Howie.
Haha
Barr
Moseley
My top three
haha will be a not very good pro safety...trust me you don't want him
just saw this mock:
Round 1, pick 22: CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-9/189)
Round 2, pick 54: SS Deone Bucannon, Washington State (6-1/211)
Round 3, pick 86: WR Paul Richardson, Colorado (6-0/175)
Verrett? Do know much about Bucannon except he's all over the place and I would be estatic if they could get Richardson in the third. I think someone takes him in the second.
NFL Network has a red carpet show like the Oscars going on right now. No, really.
Melissa Stark looks hot, though.
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
NFL Network has a red carpet show like the Oscars going on right now. No, really.
Melissa Stark looks hot, though.
Admit it, you got a chubby for Manziel's mom
WTF? Now they parade these dudes out on stage? Where's Miss Missouri?
Even better, 4 more hours of the drama queen himself, Berman.
Unless you were a 100% lock to go day 1 why would you show up or be invited? Jimmy Grappolo?
Let's go! Don't farg this up, Howie
Yes, please, more pomp and circumstance.
God damn do I miss the old style Saturday/Sunday draft when the players didn't get the red carpet treatment and they didn't sing the national anthem. What a joke.
What's next, a recycling campaign followed by solar panels on stage.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 08, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
Yes, please, more pomp and circumstance.
Ooh yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1lu-WU3hI
Haha agreed. The old style was better.
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
God damn do I miss the old style Saturday/Sunday draft when the players didn't get the red carpet treatment and they didn't sing the national anthem. What a joke.
What's next, a recycling campaign followed by solar panels on stage.
The recycling campaign is how all these former players get jobs on tv.
lol
Michael Irvin...bum
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
God damn do I miss the old style Saturday/Sunday draft when the players didn't get the red carpet treatment and they didn't sing the national anthem. What a joke.
What's next, a recycling campaign followed by solar panels on stage.
Don't forget complete coverage by two networks.
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
NFL Network has a red carpet show like the Oscars going on right now. No, really.
Melissa Stark looks hot, though.
Admit it, you got a chubby for Manziel's mom
Your Mom too. Son.
No one. NO ONE replaces Vuke's old lady!
Natalie Maines might.
Hahaha I forgot about good ol Fatalie
And Linda Cohn for RS
Get Stevie Johnson!
lol RS and Linda Cohn
Now I'm scared.
Please don't farg this up. PLEASE!
Trade back!
i don't want him necessarily but something tells me they go latimer here
and theres the trade back
You gonna bail me out when I go ape shtein if they reach for him?
No way Dio is still awake
Trade back!! Yes!!
HA! Good call J!
Bed time. Bye.
At least the f'n Orioles won while I was waiting for this shtein.
Picked up an extra 3rd to only move 4 spots down. Good move.
farg you Johnny.
I'm happier than mds playing with a dreidel
DO IT!!
Quotefirst round
1. jeremiah attaochu - OLB – this is probably early here but perhaps they take him in a trade back...love his pass rush ceiling....was amazing against georgia last year...i believe he had 5 sacks in the game but whatever it was he was just a monster
Stop posting his name. He's like Beetlejuice.
Another Jeremiah?
IN!
Give him 54
I'd trade back again with Houston
So they can take Teddy B or Carr
Trade back again! Do it!
nah they should go chewy here....not many pass rushers available in this draft....I do agree with a trade back if its marquise lee or some shtein like that
So close! I was so close to going one draft without seeing that shoulderpad douchebag.
What the farg???
BOO!
Ummmmm
Well....he's productive as farg.
Wow I'm shocked
A linebacker sized linebacker? Sounds good to me.
Lol lol lol lol @ that pick.
"Marcus Smith" sounds like the generic token black character in a first person shooter video game.
I waited four months for that. He would have been available in the second round. Why do they always do this kind of stupid farging bullshtein.
Arghhhhh! I hate this team.
Quote from: Munson on May 08, 2014, 11:13:42 PM
"Marcus Smith" sounds like the generic token black character in a first person shooter video game.
His street name is Snot Boogie.
I'm strangely ok with this pick
you need a willing partner of course but they could have traded back a couple more times and gotten smith
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
you need a willing partner of course but they could have traded back a couple more times and gotten smith
Who's really going to trade up at this point?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
you need a willing partner of course but they could have traded back 5 more times and gotten smith
Legitimate mid second round talent. Good job, Howie.
Minny is looking to trade up
Quote from: General_Failure on May 08, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
you need a willing partner of course but they could have traded back a couple more times and gotten smith
Who's really going to trade up at this point?
anyone who feels as tho "their guy" has fallen....or for a qb
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
Legitimate mid second round talent. Good job, Howie.
Yep. He would have been there in round 2. I hope I'm wrong but not happy with this pick.
I really started to believe in Bucannon as we got closer to the draft. Couple of people I know who follow PAC 12 said the kid is a beast.
And the Cardinals get Bucannon.
It's just, I don't even know what to say anymore.
And there goes Benjamin to the farging Panthers. Gee... I wonder what Cam Newton will do with him?
I HATE THIS TEAM.
Did not want Benjamin.
Yeah, well I want your face to burst into flames. How do you like that, snapperhead?
Let's go grab some crab legs and chill out ok buddy?
did the Eagles get the number 4 pic in the third round from Cleveland? they might be able to jump back up and grab Lee.
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 08, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
did the Eagles get the number 4 pic in the third round from Cleveland? they might be able to jump back up and grab Lee.
imo def not necessary to trade up in this draft for a wr...you can get quality well into the 3-4 rounds at that position...id rather have donte moncreif anyway
good question on which 3rd they got from the browns...I didn't look
The pick they got from Cle was in the 80s.
bummer. Moncreif intrigues me and would be a good fit but I would rather jump up to get Lee if they had the early 3rd rounder.
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 08, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
did the Eagles get the number 4 pic in the third round from Cleveland? they might be able to jump back up and grab Lee.
They got Pittsburgh's pick, #83. Still a decent trade though according to the draft chart (traded 780 for 875)
looks like the Eagles were in the right slot at the right time, with Cleveland willing to pay a bit of the premium for Manzeil. Eagles reached a bit for Marcus Smith but with this trade the first round is probably a push.
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 09, 2014, 01:14:21 AM
looks like the Eagles were in the right slot at the right time, with Cleveland willing to pay a bit of the premium for Manzeil. Eagles reached a bit for Marcus Smith but with this trade the first round is probably a push.
as a comparison
cardinals went from 20 to 27 and got #93 for it
eagles went from 22 to 26 and got #83 for it
the qb (manzell) was more expensive than the wr (cooks) as it should be
Wouldn't mind Lee if they can move up and get him, he's probably going off the board early. They have to address WR, because there's only 2 on the roster unless you count Benn, Johnson, Maehl.
Howie is in full on spin mode on WIP right now. This isn't going to end well. He's gone from BPA to talking about tiers. farging dork.
Howie's also confirming he's a project pick. This is farging Teo all over.
I don't think it's as bad as Teo or Bryan Smith.
I'll be open minded and defer to Chip. I think we have to give him the benefit of doubt here because of his college knowledge
how is he a farging project pick?
he was a senior....hes a guy with a low ceiling and probably a pretty solid floor...one of those good at a bunch of things good in the room guys who isn't going to be great at anything
hes pretty much the opposite of a project pick
I love this pick because it angers all of you. New favorite player.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
how is he a farging project pick?
he was a senior....hes a guy with a low ceiling and probably a pretty solid floor...one of those good at a bunch of things good in the room guys who isn't going to be great at anything
hes pretty much the opposite of a project pick
WIP crew: Do you see Smith coming in right away and making an impact?
Howie: Well, that's up to him.
That was his farging response.
Also, Chip said they had 6 guys targeted at 22 and none of them fell. They tried to move up but the price was too steep. So they moved back. They explored moving back again but were afraid they wouldn't get any of the guys they really wanted. So they reached.
I thought for sure they'd trade back again at 26. Still surprised that they didn't. Good pick though. Can't complain.
Lol.
super nfl scout sd eagle takes time from spraying CFCs into the ozone and going to women's shelters and asking them why dinner is cold to do a thorough analysis of the eagles' mindset and draft board. well done
Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place to talk about the Eagles. Wife not putting out lately? You seem tense
Wives have a choice??
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2014, 01:19:42 PM
Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place to talk about the Eagles. Wife not putting out lately? You seem tense
the irony of sunny whinning about whiners is awesome.
Quote3. The 3-4 defense remains important: Seven hybrid linebackers/defensive ends went in the first round and five went to 3-4 teams. Two of the most interesting moves were for inside linebackers. The Pittsburgh Steelers passed on good cornerbacks to take Ohio State's Ryan Shazier. He was considered one of the best outside linebackers in the draft, but the Steelers' plan to use him at inside. He weighs 237 pounds. The thinking is spread offenses are forcing all defenses -- 3-4s especially -- to add speed to chase down faster players in the middle of the field or on the outside. The Steelers are younger and more athletic with a linebacking corps of Jarvis Jones, Jason Worilds, Lawrence Timmons and Vince Williams.
The Baltimore Ravens' 3-4 got stronger with the addition of Alabama inside linebacker C.J. Mosley. The Houston Texans now have J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney in their 3-4. Dee Ford gives the Kansas City Chiefs three pass-rushing linebackers. The surprise was the Eagles trading down and getting Marcus Smith, an outside linebacker rated by most to be a second-day pick.
I heard on Sirius NFL Net that Smith was coveted by ATL, BAL and NYJ so the Eagles jumped on him at 26
Who does everyone want tonight?
I still want Attaochu and Jordan Matthews
A 6'3"/6'4" WR and an NT
I wouldn't mind Allen Robinson in the 3rd...there are better receivers they can get in the 2nd but I wouldn't take him there.
Jordan Matthews is my preference as well for someone who realistically could still be there.
defense. secondary preferably.
I think Brad Smith or Arrelious Benn is the 3rd WR right now.
the defense is still the bigger need. unless of course people want to buy the "best player on the board" bs some more. plus maehls is beast. no worries there.
I want more defense. I know some people are concerned with the WR position, but I think they are undervaluing Chip using two tight end sets in 2014. I am not a player expert. I don't know who they should pick. I just want more D.
clearly some of these wont be there when the birds pick but my five for 2nd round...
1. chewy - de/olb
2. donte moncrief - wr
3. terrence brooks - s
4. davante adams - wr
5. will clark - de/olb
(http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/will-clark.jpg)
GET
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
clearly some of these wont be there when the birds pick but my five for 2nd round...
1. chewy - de/olb
2. donte moncrief - wr
3. terrence brooks - s
4. davante adams - wr
5. will clark - de/olb
I think most have Moncrief as 3rd rd but he probably won't last until the end of the 3rd when the Eagles pick again.
hes a first round talent imo....i dont know if he will end up going much higher than people think but for me hes in the be the same boat as jimmy ward was going into yesterday....ward was a 2nd even first half of the third round guy who went in the first which was warranted
I read a cbs draft mock for today (post round 1 picks) and they had Philly taking Davante Adams. Lee was gone within the first five picks. They had the Skins taking that OG with the funny name.
wash pretty much has to go OL...but i think id take morgan moses if i were them and have young bookends
Wide Receivers are dropping like rocks. I swear at one point the CBS draft tracker sight has Lee going to the Browns for a few minutes before they changed it.
Lee fell right into the Jags laps if they take him here.
They STILL haven't announced the Bucs pick and it's been in for 10 minutes! :boom
And the Jags got Lee without having to do a farging thing. WTF!
Eagles are next?
yeah trade up with tenn
and the thing is the ticker still has them at 54....not sure if that part is accurate or not
Just saw who they took. hmm
Me too and I farging love it!
gotta be Matthews if you love it....i hope its not a wr tho....so not necessary
Yep.
It's the one guy I really wanted if they were gonna take a wideout
Bam
gave up the 4th to move up
My favorite wideout in this draft not named Watkins
ummmm i didnt actually want to know
also trading up for anyone is kinda suspect in this draft but seems especially silly for a wr
shtein man haha sorry
I didn't wanna know either but I accidentally saw it. And I love it so I'm fired up
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
and the thing is the ticker still has them at 54....not sure if that part is accurate or not
The ticker updates once the pick is made.
Love it... Great pick...the 4th is whatever since they picked up the extra 3rd
Quote from: General_Failure on May 09, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
and the thing is the ticker still has them at 54....not sure if that part is accurate or not
The ticker updates once the pick is made.
no it updated.....but it only updated the eagles moving up not losing the 54 spot....they then corrected it...they probably didnt know right away what the eagles gave up...just that they moved up
Well those guys need to get their shtein together. The draft is no place for half-assing things.
If Louis Nix is available do you take him?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 09:47:02 PM
If Louis Nix is available do you take him?
not me
terrence brooks
will clark
martavias and donte are still out there as well
i farging love telvin smith...but no chance they take him
also would have liked marcus martin who just went
i bet the pick is brent urban if hes there tho...
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/05/an-eagles-fan-passed-out-in-the-bathroom-at-radio-city-music-hall-last-night.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 09:47:02 PM
If Louis Nix is available do you take him?
not me
terrence brooks
will clark
martavias and donte are still out there as well
i farging love telvin smith...but no chance they take him
also would have liked marcus martin who just went
i bet the pick is brent urban if hes there tho...
ozzie strikes again
I could see them going Martavis
I think they trade one pick for two tomorrow too
good call j...theres the trade
They had to get that four back
Louis nix goes in this spot too... I told my boy at work today that Houston would love to have nix
They needed a fat body nose bad
they forced themselves into it by for some unknown reason trading up for mathhews
do you know what they got for it?
Ok so let's nail one more pick today, Birds.
Who ya thinking?
Which ILB or CB is the top player? Could see them targeting inside backer
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 09:47:02 PM
If Louis Nix is available do you take him?
not me
terrence brooks
will clark
martavias and donte are still out there as well
i farging love telvin smith...but no chance they take him
also would have liked marcus martin who just went
i bet the pick is brent urban if hes there tho...
no way I would touch Nix in the first couple of rounds but I might take a flyer on him in the third. I heard he went up to 360 during the season. Telvin would be interesting in the 4th but he already said he won't play safety.
my boy just said its 101 and 141?
yup, 1st pick of the 4th and 5th
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
they forced themselves into it by for some unknown reason trading up for mathhews
do you know what they got for it?
101 and 141
So they lead off tomorrow and in the fifth
The Matt Barkley Memorial Pick
I hope they go punter. After looking at NFL.com for three seconds, I hope they get a punter named Kirby Van Der Kamp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 10:29:33 PM
Ok so let's nail one more pick today, Birds.
Who ya thinking?
Which ILB or CB is the top player? Could see them targeting inside backer
i could see urban or keith mcgill
mcgill in particular fits the chip prototype perfectly
Nah kicker! Donnie Longball is the goat
Oregon WR Josh Huff
What?
Chip must have rubbed himself raw on that pick.
Howie is applying the ointment now
(http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/fan_shot_images/329241/HowieDoIt.png)
And 101 and 141 now too
yeah, I stumbled across that and saw it wasn't updated but still liked the howie the wizard aspect
Bunch of Eagles fans just love the guy.
anyone have any thoughts on getting Daniel McCullers? Raw, but might make a nice compliment to Bennie.
so what round are they drafting deanthony thomas
Still available for tomorrow:
QB
Tom Savage (Pitt)
Zach Mettenberger (LSU)
AJ McCarron (Alabama)
Aaron Murray (Georgia)
RB
Ka'Deem Carey (Arizona)
Andre Williams (BC)
De'Anthony Thomas (Oregon)
WR
Martavis Bryant (Clemson)
Bruce Ellington (South Carolina)
Brandon Coleman (Rutgers)
OT
Cameron Fleming (Florida State)
Antonio Richardson (Tennessee)
DE
Jackson Jeffcoat (Texas)
DT
DaQuan Jones (PSU)
Justin Ellis (La Tech)
Daniel McCullers (Tennessee)
Anthony Johnson (LSU)
OLB
Carl Bradford (Arizona State)
Telvin Smith (Florida State)
Adrian Hubbard (Alabama)
ILB
Skayne Skov (Stanford)
Christian Jones (Florida State)
CB
Keith McGill (Utah)
Pierre Desir (Lindenwood)
Loucheiz Purifoy (Florida)
Chris Davis (Auburn)
SS
Craig Loston (LSU)
Ahmad Dixon (Baylor)
Vinnie Sunseri (Alabama)
FS
Dion Bailey (USC)
Ed Reynolds (Stanford)
Kenny Ladler (Vandy)
Jeffcoat would be a nice pick
Ahmad Dixon too
My number one want is Christian Jones tho
Think I'd like Jones too or Desir (though that's just from reading up on him, obviously not from watching him play ever).
Yeah I don't know anything about Desir either
I think we see Graham traded tomorrow too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 11:38:50 PM
Jeffcoat would be a nice pick
Ahmad Dixon too
My number one want is Christian Jones tho
do you know if there's been any thing more on his diluted urine sample? could be just innocent overhydration but more likely masking something is how I think it is viewed.
I would like Reynolds or Baily at safety or McCullers at nose.
Edit: not sure if Jones failed his drug test at the Combine because of dilution, Jernigan did though. Telvin Smith was another FSU player who failed so the guilt by association thing doesn't look good even if it is questionable because of sample over dilution.
I haven't heard anything more on it but I'm curious if he's been linked to the eagles at all...has he visited?
http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/red_zone/&id=242193291
Nice read
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 11:38:50 PM
My number one want is Christian Jones tho
GET!
QuoteChristian Jones, ILB, Florida State (6'3, 234)
There isn't a lot not to like about Christian Jones. He has good size, he can run, he can cover, he can tackle, and he can rush the passer.
Big people beat up little people so says Chip
Jones is a guy with coverage ability and can rush.
it makes me physically ill that they could have had chewy right now...and get martavias bryant tomorrow
as much as i like bryant and dont feel that much for matthews or huff i dont think it makes sense to go wr
im ok with christian jones
larry webster
james gayle
keith mcgill
telvin smith
luchez i think has star potential but off the field stuff would never allow chip to take him
dion bailey
is marcus smith still out there hed be a real nice value at 101
I don't like what I've read about McGill at all. I didn't see many Utah games this year but he doesn't sound like what they'd look for.
Gimme Jones and then let's see what's left.
im assuming you mean his dui...that may def be true
i obviously dont know how they feel about him as a player but he is a chip prototype in terms of bodytype
guy has everything going for him as far as potential
im still expecting them to go with urban
The DUI is one thing but mainly about his game. I read his combine write up and some others and it wasn't flattering at all
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/keith-mcgill?id=2543762
Great size and vertical but change of direction doesn't seem good
And he's gonna be a 25yr old rookie
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=95081&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB
i dont really pay to much attention to the combine other than to find out about guys i am not overly familiar with
i just know whenever i see him play he looks like a pro
i mean its the 4th round...im not saying hes gonna be an all pro...but hed be a guy id be really good with taking
Know how I know this draft is going to be successful?
That idiot Chris Steuber hates it and thinks it'll set them back a few years
im not gonna go that far...but it hasnt been good
I'm cool with it.
I loved the Matthews pick obviously. Huff confused me but the more I read about it and think on it I understand it. I watched a ton of Oregon games (other than sec teams the ducks were my most watched) and he's talented guy.
Smith? Indifferent really. Love the production and the position was one of need.
I think the fact that I trust Chip's evals is what makes me calmer than I'd be if this were an Andy pick
Smith? Who knows. If he's actually a great athlete and can produce at an NFL level then it was a good pick. Problem is there were players slightly above that 26 spot that are going to be productive and rather than go up and get them, they slid back. I hate that just because it rarely works out. If it does in this case, then yay. C+
Loved the Matthews pick. Ultra-productive in the best conference in college = something special. A+
Huff was just weird, although Chip obviously loves the guy and when your former coach loves you and knows exactly what you bring to the table, it can't be a horrible pick. I just hope he translates to the next level. It was confusing, though, especially after the Matthews jawn. B-
I'll say this... Chip's paw prints are all over this draft whereas last year they clearly weren't. The 12 & 13 drafts were really good in retrospect, so I guess I'll say I'm optimistic about what they've done so far but not completely sold yet.
Overall so far (& weighted slightly higher because of Matthews)... B
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:20:42 AM
Know how I know this draft is going to be successful?
That idiot Chris Steuber hates it and thinks it'll set them back a few years
Why would you read anything that hack has to say? JFC, Phreak.
its not so much that the guys the eagles got are all going to suck....i think each has a chance for a solid pro career....what makes it a bad draft is that in every case there were all kinds of superior players being picked around where the eagles got their man
imo if you like this draft you have to be staring into the chip swirly lollipop big time because you have to have the ultimate faith in the system over the player....and if that's the case I can understand giving it a high grade cause in all three picks they got their ideal person
I'm up to just wait and see at this point. This isn't Andy Reid anymore so why not see what happens?
Because it's more fun to bitch and moan and hate?
Too many disappointments over the years breeds cynicism.
espn insider analysis:
marcus smith
What he brings:
Smith is a big-time reach at this point in the draft. A former quarterback, he has to get stronger at the point and improve his ability to anchor against the run. He can also makes strides in terms of reading his keys and diagnosing plays. On the other hand, he does have rare upside as a pass-rusher. While he doesn't play quite as fast as he timed at the combine, he has the initial quickness and speed to threaten off the edge. In addition, he has active hands and can quickly work back inside when offensive tackles take away the edge.
How he fits:
Smith is a nice fit in what's a unique Eagles defensive scheme. It looks like a 3-4 front pre-snap, but they will eventually bring one OLB up to the line of scrimmage to make it look like a 4-3 under. Smith is a hybrid guy who has played DE and OLB. In this defense, he will be asked to primarily rush off the edge. He's also adept at dropping into coverage.
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jordan matthews
What he brings:
Matthews is a big-bodied receiver who has long arms, big hands and above-average body control. In addition, he is fearless working the middle of the field and is underrated after the catch. Matthews has some tightness and might struggle at times to consistently create separation, but makes up for it by using his big frame to shield defenders from the ball.
How he fits:
The go-to guys in this pass offense will be Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin. But neither guy is an elite receiver in a Chip Kelly offense that loves to spread the field and utilize several of multi-receiver sets. The pace of this passing game is fast and sophisticated, and it requires smart receivers. Matthews fits that description. He will work the middle of the field in this passing game, should produce good YAC numbers and might be used in some bubble screens. Matthews is a solid fit in this offense but not overly flashy.
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josh huff
What he brings:
Huff is a smooth athlete with above-average top-end speed to develop into a vertical big-play threat. However, he must continue to get stronger and develop as a route runner.
How he fits:
Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly is very familiar with Huff, who was a former player for Kelly at Oregon. Huff is a bit raw as a route runner but has intriguing quickness and top-end speed. Most importantly, he flashes the ability to create after the catch, which is a critical element in the Eagles' offense.
Quote from: Rome on May 10, 2014, 06:25:23 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:20:42 AM
Know how I know this draft is going to be successful?
That idiot Chris Steuber hates it and thinks it'll set them back a few years
Why would you read anything that hack has to say? JFC, Phreak.
Someone retweeted him so I clicked on his page to see what Capt Stupid had to say. If he's hating on it then it's a lock to be good
Almost time
Christian Jones please
theres still so many good corner prospects on the board....its crazy
Jones
Brent Urban
Jaylen Watkins
Dontae Johnson
If it's one of those four I'm cool
It's Watkins
Boom! Jaylen Watkins!
Nice
best pick of the draft so far....versatility strikes again
I love the versatility and that they seek it out
Great pick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
I love the versatility and that they seek it out
of course you do
like the pic, half brother of Sammy Watkins. still very leery of anybody named Watkins though.
could this be the next pick....
QuoteComes from a strong family background with good morals. Father Courton Reid is a Bishop and Mother Claudette Palmer-Reid is a minister. Has taken on more a leadership role on defense as an upper-classmen. Solid work-ethic. No off the field issues.
I totally want the Eagles to move up and draft Daniel McCullers. I have no idea if he's going to be any good or not but he's an absolute f****** monster, 6 foot 7 350 plus pounds on a light day at a position they still need to address.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
could this be the next pick....
QuoteComes from a strong family background with good morals. Father Courton Reid is a Bishop and Mother Claudette Palmer-Reid is a minister. Has taken on more a leadership role on defense as an upper-classmen. Solid work-ethic. No off the field issues.
Haha who is that
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 10, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
I totally want the Eagles to move up and draft Daniel McCullers. I have no idea if he's going to be any good or not but he's an absolute f****** monster, 6 foot 7 350 plus pounds on a light day at a position they still need to address.
He'd be a nice NT. Batted passes and eating centers for snack
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
could this be the next pick....
QuoteComes from a strong family background with good morals. Father Courton Reid is a Bishop and Mother Claudette Palmer-Reid is a minister. Has taken on more a leadership role on defense as an upper-classmen. Solid work-ethic. No off the field issues.
Haha who is that
caraun reid.....kid from princeton
i actually don't think hed be a terrible pick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 10, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
I totally want the Eagles to move up and draft Daniel McCullers. I have no idea if he's going to be any good or not but he's an absolute f****** monster, 6 foot 7 350 plus pounds on a light day at a position they still need to address.
He'd be a nice NT. Batted passes and eating centers for snack
cant see chip ever taking him cause hes so one dimensional...offers zero pass rushing ability....plus ive heard hes not the most motivated guy ever and is often out of shape
Christian Jones watch is on again.
10 picks to go
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:40:18 PM
Christian Jones watch is on again.
10 picks to go
id be fine with him but again doesn't seem like a chip guy as hes dumber than a rock and undisciplined (on the field)
Where's Rome? We need a Seminole scouting report! And some crab legs
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 10, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
I totally want the Eagles to move up and draft Daniel McCullers. I have no idea if he's going to be any good or not but he's an absolute f****** monster, 6 foot 7 350 plus pounds on a light day at a position they still need to address.
He'd be a nice NT. Batted passes and eating centers for snack
cant see chip ever taking him cause hes so one dimensional...offers zero pass rushing ability....plus ive heard hes not the most motivated guy ever and is often out of shape
I know, he'd be a bit of a flyer. on the other hand if he was on the team last year they have a good shot at beating the Saints in the playoffs. once they get into the comp pics the Eagles won't be able to trade up anyway. if chip wants in he probably figures that he would be the guy to coach him up and motivate him
hes a run down only guy who physically has trouble moving
plus the smoothie king aint taking an unmotivated out of shape behemoth
he likes bennie logans
Everybody likes Bennie Logan!
Except you!
i didnt like him on his back the entire new orleans game
Me either
He's bulking up tho.
Believe in Bennie!
I'm a Bennie fan too, but they can't have him in short yardage situations. a lot of those big ass two gappers need at least a couple years out of college to grow into that kind of body. I'm hoping bennie is one. he moves pretty well for a guy that size in small areas.
farging just missed on larry webster
Ok it's go time!!
Super lib Lurie is going to pick Michael Sam at some point
MORE OREGON
Quote from: SD on May 10, 2014, 02:07:18 PMSuper lib Lurie is going to pick Michael Sam at some point
I hope so. He's got shtein to prove. Worth a shot.
whats going to happen when its gets to the point where Oregon doesn't have any players left that chip recruited
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 02:08:35 PM
I hope so
yeah that would be amazing.....hes a total chip guy too....ultimate leader that will improve "the room"
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
whats going to happen when its gets to the point where Oregon doesn't have any players left that chip recruited
According to you, he'll have been out of the NFL and three years back into NCAA by that point.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 02:10:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
whats going to happen when its gets to the point where Oregon doesn't have any players left that chip recruited
According to you, he'll have been out of the NFL and three years back into NCAA by that point.
excellent point errand runner
Havas is growing saltier by the moment lolol
Have a smoothie buddy!
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: SD on May 10, 2014, 02:07:18 PMSuper lib Lurie is going to pick Michael Sam at some point
I hope so. He's got shtein to prove. Worth a shot.
I hope he doesn't get drafted and no one invites him to camp as a udfa
chip is either going to be the greatest genius in the history of sports or the laughing stock of the league....and i honestly dont know which one
Quote from: SD on May 10, 2014, 02:14:44 PMI hope he doesn't get drafted and no one invites him to camp as a udfa
C+ for trolling, but I suspect you're not kidding. There's a lot of Rush in you, and it's a shame.
remaining possibles....
terrance mitchell - cb - oregon
boseko lokombo - olb - oregon
colt lyerla - olb - oregon
any hard working selfless senior team captain who goes by a philosophy of team god country
lol we've got an extreme case of the bitter barry's over here
I'm dying laughing. Tears.
Meh, just another day in the hippo enclosure.
What kind of a smoothie would a hippo enjoy? Celery based?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
remaining possibles....
terrance mitchell - cb - oregon
boseko lokombo - olb - oregon
colt lyerla - olb - oregon
any hard working selfless senior team captain who goes by a philosophy of team god country
Lyerla is a TE who enjoys the taste of the fine Colombian white.
No shot
igy's eagles would have a crack juice dispenser on the field. gotta them wild boys all riled up to get going, you know?
whats a hippo again...basically a hater?
someone that doesnt toe the eagle line
Hippo is akin to a troll I think
Quote from: MDS on May 10, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
igy's eagles would have a crack juice dispenser on the field. gotta them wild boys all riled up to get going, you know?
With an old white coach who calls his players stillupfront but they love him for it. We all know the fantasy.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 10, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
igy's eagles would have a crack juice dispenser on the field. gotta them wild boys all riled up to get going, you know?
With an old white coach who calls his players stillupfront but they love him for it. We all know the fantasy.
"what this stillupfront do?"
"he was arrested for sexual assault last night"
"get his ass on the field i need to win games"
lets get the mid-90's cowboys back together and see how that works in the twitter/facebook age.
Sounds like Bud Killmer!
ill take ray lewis richard sherman joey porter and james harrison
you guys can have colt mccoy jason kelce casey matthews and taylor hart
and lets go to war!!
you forgot about hipster barwin, his fohawk and his bike rides to work
No one wants Casey Matthews. Not even his family.
you can have TO, Pacman, Josh Gordon, and quincy carter.
we'll take andre johnson, jon runyan, aaron rodgers and brian dawkins
and go to war
you'll have four dead bodies and we'll have your women
nothing wrong with clean living team playing dudes...something wrong with your love for divas and thugs
I was expecting them to take Jordan Tripp the Montana LB
also...richard sherman is a f'n ivy school grad and Ray Ray is a preacher.
DQ on your original lineup
sherman is from compton and ray ray killed a dude
thuglife!
I see DQ and think of a blizzard goddammit
Now I'm hungry
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 02:48:44 PM
nothing wrong with clean living team playing dudes
unless you wanna win a superbowl....but see heres the difference btwn me and you...you don't give a flying farg about whether the eagles win or lose...for you its cool if they win but if they dont you are like oh whatever see what happens next week an that's even if you watched the game at all....you have 1000 things more important in your life than the success or failure of the team and i get that....but this also causes you to say stupid shtein like youd rather have a church going salt of the earth social worker with C level talent...than a straight up shtein talkin wanna rip your skull off dawg with A talent
QuoteAll 5 of the players the #Eagles have drafted have already graduated from college.
salt. of. the. motherfarging. earth.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 02:54:02 PMyoud rather have a church going salt of the earth social worker with C level talent...than a straight up shtein talkin wanna rip your skull off dawg with A talent
It's possible to have a team dude with all pro talent...but you know this. Your gig is to troll and get attention, I get it. So you put words in mouths and rabble rabble rabble.
I don't have any problem at all with picking talented players who shut up and work, deal with it.
On the clock
sweet, hope it's a white dude with a degree so we can have a heart attack in PG county
Ed Reynolds, Stanford S
Uh-oh. They make you read books and shtein at Stanford.
@pdomo: With the three they've added in the draft, Eagles currently have 20 Pac-12 guys on their roster.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
@pdomo: With the three they've added in the draft, Eagles currently have 20 Pac-12 guys on their roster.
its truly amazing....theres never been anything like chip kelly....hes literally filling his roster out with guys simply cause he knows them or likes them as a person
like i said....hes either going to be the smartest football man thats ever lived or a laughing stock
^^^^^ exactly. I don't know how all of this will work out but on the surface this is some clown car shtein. It's almost like they don't have a scouting team and he's just sitting there saying 'I coached that dude once, good kid, loves his smoothies. Get.'
I kind of love it.
Chipper on ESPN
Quote from: rjs246 on May 10, 2014, 03:24:54 PM
^^^^^ exactly. I don't know how all of this will work out but on the surface this is some clown car shtein. It's almost like they don't have a scouting team and he's just sitting there saying 'I coached that dude once, good kid, loves his smoothies. Get.'
I kind of love it.
i dont know if i love it but its completely fascinating
Quote from: rjs246 on May 10, 2014, 03:24:54 PM
^^^^^ exactly. I don't know how all of this will work out but on the surface this is some clown car shtein. It's almost like they don't have a scouting team and he's just sitting there saying 'I coached that dude once, good kid, loves his smoothies. Get.'
I kind of love it.
he really just said that its important to draft college graduates because it shows they are people who stick with things and follow thru on stuff
It's really so good. All of our republican dad's are having a boner over this shtein I just know it.
also thought it was hilarious how they asked about pimp being released and chip didnt really say why but hinted that they wanted size at the wr position because "nobody gets open in this league" so you need big guys that can go up and get contested balls....
then during the very next question about how nick foles is different this year they are showing highlites of foles throwing touchdowns to a WIDE OPEN pimp during chips answer
Christian Jones still available?
yup
Adrian Hubbard would be a good pick too
I'm going to say the Eagles go Colt Lyerla. Or maybe terrence mitchell. Just wild guesses.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/static/img/combine/headshots/2543884.jpg)
Hahahahahahahahaha
A ginger at that!
He'll use his mighty ginger powers to overwhelm the QB. :-D
Every video clip they played on nfln he was falling down or getting swallowed up by blockers
@GeoffMosherCSN: How does Chip feel about his draft: "Honestly, I have no idea."
So, to summarize:
RD1 (26) - Marcus Smith, OLB, Louisville
RD2 (42) - Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
RD3 (86) - Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
RD4 (101) - Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida
RD5 (141) - Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon
RD5 (162) - Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
RD7 (234) - Beau Allen, DT, Wisconsin
Thoughts overall?
Ok with Smith pick
Love Matthews pick
Like Huff pick
Love Watkins pick
Like Hart pick
Ok with Reynolds pick
Don't like Allen pick
my grades as picks not players...for example matthews gets down graded cause they traded up for him
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 10, 2014, 06:05:29 PM
RD1 (26) - Marcus Smith, OLB, Louisville - F
RD2 (42) - Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt - C-
RD3 (86) - Josh Huff, WR, Oregon - D
RD4 (101) - Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida - C
RD5 (141) - Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon - F
RD5 (162) - Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford - D
RD7 (234) - Beau Allen, DT, Wisconsin - F
@GeoffMosherCSN: Along with Cooks, Chip really gushed over CJ Mosley. Sounds like Mosley would have also been in the discussion at 22 if he had fallen there.
Mosely :(
Daniel Jeremiah dropping some eagles nuggets about how they decided to draft Bryce (who is the biggest fastest guy available right now)
And how he was on the phone with Chris Polk recruiting him as a UDFA when the pick for Bryce was announced and Polk was miffed as to why they'd draft him but not Polk
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 05:47:48 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96868/1797480-sabretooth.jpg)
or
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Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 10, 2014, 06:05:29 PMThoughts overall?
I noticed that all of their draft picks and at least a third of their UDFAs played for Chip, played against him in a huge game (Stanford, USC, Wisconsin) and/or he saw them personally on a pro day or visit. On offense, they addressed the two WR holes left by DJax and Avant, and they got a DE, NT, OLB, CB and S, so for now, I give it a B-
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 10, 2014, 06:05:29 PM
So, to summarize:
RD1 (26) - Marcus Smith, OLB, Louisville
RD2 (42) - Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
RD3 (86) - Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
RD4 (101) - Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida
RD5 (141) - Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon
RD5 (162) - Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
RD7 (234) - Beau Allen, DT, Wisconsin
Thoughts overall?
Overall I give it a C. It's a really meh draft. I was going to grade it lower but I felt the same thing about last years draft and that class isn't looking too bad so far. Plus I'll take the pathetic "we don't know how any of these guys are going to pan out" point of view into consideration. Favorite picks are the Matthews and Watkins picks.
Eh. I don't know college players, but I know they drafted players that play positions they needed to fill. If they can play, a couple of them might even start. They didn't draft OL, QB, TE, or RB, so that's a plus. C+ grade then?
This class has the potential to rival the 1974 Steelers class.
AAAAAAAAA++++++++
there is a good segment of fans looking at the draft with an open mind....but i feel like chip could draft a garden gnome and the philly media would praise it to death
Andy would have drafted a smaller garden gnome from BYU.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 11, 2014, 01:52:14 PM
there is a good segment of fans looking at the draft with an open mind....but i feel like chip could draft a garden gnome and the philly media would praise it to death
Can you really blame them, though? Andy was such an unbelievable icehole to those guys, it's not really surprising that they'd give a guy who doesn't treat them like parasites a fairer shake.
And by the way... they weren't exactly genuflecting during the silence after Jaccpot's release.
yeah i can blame them....your job is to honestly report and critique....you don't report on one person because of the way you felt about the previous jobholder
i also don't think it has anything to do with andy....i think they believe that chip is a football genius (he may be) and no matter what he does in regards to the team it is the right thing
LOL @ the suggestion that those jackals are bowing down to Chip like he's some sort of golden boy coaching savant. You'll never find a more cynical group of bitter iceholes in your life than Philly sportswriters and the first chance they get they'd be all over him. He just hasn't given them much of a chance yet what with all the winning he's done so far.
ive never seen a draft where every pick was praised by 99.9% of local media....the only conclusion i can come too is that they think he is a genius...im not insinuating that they love chip as a person cause they clearly dont...they were killing him for his silence subsequent to the pimp release....but they honestly think hes a football god
on another note....
hart #97
reynolds #30
allen #94
smith #90
matthews #81
huff #11
watkins #37
Kiper and Prisco both gave them B+. I'm not as down as igy is on it, but I still think a B+ is generous.
Matthews, Watkins & Reynolds were straight "A" grades for me. The rest are either B, C or who cares (Beau Allen).
B+ might be a tad high but a solid B isn't unreasonable especially if Marcus Smith turns out to be a legit starter.
I really think Matthews is going to be the star of this draft for the Birds but as in anything else I could be wrong. There were no home runs like the Desean Jackson pick a few years ago, though.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/13/nfl-draft-johnny-manziel-teddy-bridgewater/
QuoteAn impeccable NFL source told me this on Monday night:
The Eagles, who held the 22nd pick in the draft, informed teams after several players they loved at 22 were snatched—LSU wideout Odell Beckham, who went 12th to the Giants, and Virginia Tech cornerback Kyle Fuller, who went 14th to Chicago, among others—that they were auctioning the choice.
Six teams inquired about pick number 22. Philadelphia got four solid offers.
Though it was reported by Jay Glazer that the Vikings and Browns jousted for the 22nd pick (absolutely true), they were not alone. The source said that another team, not Minnesota, was the leader in the clubhouse when Eagles GM Howie Roseman told Cleveland GM Ray Farmer with three minutes left in the 10-minute draft period that he had to make a better offer than the one Cleveland had on the table.
If Farmer didn't include the mid-third-round pick in the deal, Philadelphia absolutely would have made the deal with Team Unknown for the 22nd pick. Cleveland would have had to move on. In that case, Cleveland would have called Kansas City at 23 and Cincinnati at 24 to try to get a deal done. I am told Kansas City would have been receptive to an offer for the 23rd pick, but Cincinnati, in love with cornerback Darqueze Dennard, would have held onto the pick.
Heard that on wip this morning. The further we get away from the draft the more I understand reaching for smith...it was pretty obvious he was rated higher than where the draftniks had him going. Thd Eagles probably could have swindled another late pick to move down a few spots but they'd chance losing out on a player they wanted. They missed with their top 6 guys so they went the safe route. They didn't have many other options. To move up they would have had to sacrifice their 3rd which is a lot in a deep draft when you only have 6 picks.
there were certainly better players and many other options....just not at that position...i also agree that trading up was not a good option
basically what happened is once a lot of their guys were gone they tunnel visioned in on whatever 3-4 OLB they had highest rated no matter what....its another example of how the BPA philosophy all teams profess to is complete bullshtein...the eagles clearly put pass rushing 3-4 OLB ahead of their board
of course there were better players but you don't know which ones they are anymore than I do
tunnel visioned...lol
you know nothing
i know the draft was incredibly weak at that position...i also know that it was a position of great need for the team
doesnt take a genius to see that they locked in on the position at that point and went for greatest need way over best player
come on dook even you can see this
I can see you just want to hate on Kelly, and that you're talking about completely unknowable things with ludicrous certainty
3-4 OLB were at a premium in this draft - FACT
eagles biggest need was a 3-4 OLB - FACT (well maybe wr)
eagles took a 3-4 OLB way too early - FACT
just because you dont know things doesnt mean they arent facts
i think the funniest thing about the whole smith pick is all the homers and media justifying it by saying that washington was going to take him at 34....this is the same laughing stock washington football franchise that everyone makes fun of yet now the the eagles made a smart pick because they outwitted dan snyder
Not just Washington but ATL loved him at 37 too.
Anyways...Domo with the recap with scouts takes
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles/nfl_draft/&id=259138461
anyone can say other teams loved him...its how you justify taking someone to early...again when you are praising washington for the first time ever....could it be that its because you wanna to defend the eagles?
and honestly i care what some evaluators think but philly.com is not one of them
plus why do you listen to jimmy kempski....watch smith yourself and make your own decision...i can understand if you didnt see him play live in college theres a ton of games out there but i dont get having to use dan snyder or a philly writer who thinks chip is a god to justify a pick when there is shtein tons of film on the guy
and if you trust the scout domo talked to does this sound like a first rounder (or even second) to you?
Quote"I watched him and couldn't fall in love with him, especially not in the first round. He's out of the Trent Cole, Jason Babin mold, which isn't a bad thing. But he's a wide rusher. You don't want him lining up over the tackle and have to have him hold the point [of attack]. You don't want him doing that.
"The best way to use him is to keep him on the move. Put him over a tight end or move him in a gap. Move him upfield. That's his game. His game is movement. It's not power. The Eagles obviously see him as a better fit for their scheme than we did for ours. We just couldn't figure out a position for him.
"He's got a good motor. He's a little stiff in the hips, but can bend the edge. He was overmatched in one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl. He has a huge upside as a rusher, though. He's an above-average athlete. He gives you speed off the corner and is explosive at the point of attack when he's moving."
They need a 3/4 edge rusher (my biggest want for the team this offseason ) and they got one. That scouting report is encouraging. They need a young player who can get pressure. Again, yes they took him too high...but it's clear teams had him rated higher than the draftniks did. Also... Washington is laughed at because they give absurd contracts out and make stupid trades like the RG3 trade, I rarely if ever see fans pointing and laughing at their draft selections.
Sounds like a fringe first rounder/second rounder to me
Enough noted potential and on the field production to have him grade out there
And like I said the day of the draft I heard on Sirius NFL radio that day that Smith was seen as a high second round guy. The guy they had on said smith was ATL pick if he was on the board
that Scout writing the piece lost me at "out of the Trent Cole, Jason Babin mold," as if they were the same.
here is some more insight on why Smith is a good pick
Quote
Why Marcus Smith is Super
Bob Vetrone Jr. Daily News Staff WriterMay 11, 2014 3:01 AM
I THOUGHT the staff here at BoopStats would be happy when I woke them yesterday morning and told them the Eagles, late in the first round, had drafted a guy who had thrown for 1,800 yards and 14 touchdowns and ran for another four scores . . . but I guess they just weren't as impressed with Marcus Smith's high school stats as I was.
They also weren't impressed that he went up from 211 pounds in 2010 to 255 pounds for the 2011 fall semester at Louisville after being asked to bulk up for defense. But I can understand not being excited about that . . . I've done that myself three times already this year.
But there were two things that did get our staff excited about the pick.
The selection of Smith (a 6-3 linebacker, defensive end, pass-rushing specialist, former quarterback) doubles the number of Smiths on the Eagles' roster, joining Brad, a veteran wide receiver. And that becomes important when we tell you that each of the Eagles' Super Bowl teams had a Smith on it (Charles in 1981; LJ in 2004)
meh, obviously just another philly beat writter that is too jizzy over kelly to give an honest assessment.
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2014, 08:48:51 AM
They need a 3/4 edge rusher (my biggest want for the team this offseason ) and they got one.
that would be great except hes not a very good edge rusher....i hope you dont think this is hugh douglas or something...smith was ok in college (had one good year) against that competition but nothing i see in him says to me hes going to be able to beat nfl tackles off the edge on a consistent basis...he just doesnt have good enough athleticism...most of his sacks last year were scheme type sacks...where they overloaded one side and he was free to come off the edge and not have to deal with a tackle....or he was moved around to the free spot or stunted...so to me thats what hes gonna be if he pans out...a semi athletic versatile guy who you can move around in different spots and scheme to get loose...but imo hes not a pure edge rusher in any sense of the description
his absolute best case scenario imo would be to turn into a 3-4 version of carlo emmons...he masters dropping and turning and becomes an all around linebacker that can get to the qb a handful of times a year and also be able to cover people
if you wanted the edge rusher then you wanted them to take dee ford there....but hes not mutli dimensional like smith...he more a demarcus ware straight up get to the qb guy
Quote from: smeags on May 14, 2014, 10:21:41 AM
meh, obviously just another philly beat writter that is too jizzy over kelly to give an honest assessment.
its a humor column....boop isnt a football guy much less a football writer...hes a comedic stats geek
Emmons couldn't rush the passer for shtein but he was stout against the run and could shut down TEs...two area Smith needs work on. He's more of a versatile guy who they can utilize to get to the QB. Emmons was a prototypical SAM. They could line Smith up on either side. Davis's defenses don't have defined roles.
Iggy,
This board would be boring without your constant assertion that you are right about everything. For that, I thank-you. I love the post draft grading proccess. Lets all give grades, then grade each other's grades. Then grade each others grades of each others grades. Oh man, you gave them a B+? I think it is more of a B-. Wait you say it's a D? Wow harsh analysis, solid insight.
We don't f0cking know who had a good draft and who had a bad one. Iggy, you were just as adament about your opinions of last year's draft. Cool story, wish you were just trolling. Then you could be cool, but you're not so you aren't. Roar.
Quote from: Chameleon on May 14, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
Wow harsh analysis, solid insight.
We don't f0cking know who had a good draft and who had a bad one.
nice
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
Emmons couldn't rush the passer for shtein but he was stout against the run and could shut down TEs...two area Smith needs work on. He's more of a versatile guy who they can utilize to get to the QB. Emmons was a prototypical SAM. They could line Smith up on either side. Davis's defenses don't have defined roles.
a 3-4 carlos emmons....dont get me wrong emmons would never have been a great edge rusher just like i dont believe smith ever will be...but in pittsburgh emmons was moved around used to get to the qb AND played in space....once he got to the eagles they took away all his pass rushing responsibilitiess and locked him in at a traditional at the time SAM...emmons in a 3-4 would have been a 6-8 a year sack guy and who also was able to drop and cover....this is what i hope smith becomes
If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me. The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me. The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.
infuriates may be a tad strong for me but in general i agree with this...i dont think hes gonna be a bust or anything but for a first round pick your expectations should be limited especially if you think hes gonna be an edge rusher...my main issue with him imo is that hes a tweener...i dont see the athleticsm there to be able to get the edge on NFL OT's and at over 250 lbs i dont know how effective hes going to be in a lot of space
i do think likd sd said that he can be moved around and become an effective scheme pass rusher....get to RB's make plays....and turn and drop some...i just dont see him doing any one thing worthy of being picked close to where he was
Shut up all of you.
the andy reid wannabes of the world are awesome.
so are the people who never heard of marcus smith until last thursday
essentially they had 3 options at 26. 1) bpa 2) fill a need 3) trade back down
the difference between the bpa and the need was moot in their eyes. they didnt feel like trading back down would bring them any significant value (unlike the 1st trade). so they took a need.
it wasnt a home run pick but they did what they did given the situation they were in. you can argue the talent evaluation (they could be very wrong about smith and the players they passed up) but the thought process makes sense to me.
i dont have a problem with need over BPA...but i feel like this is a pick where chips philosophy hurts him because he narrows the definition of what he needs down so much that it caused them to take the guy to early...chips wants a long versatile 3-4 OLB...the problem is there was like three of them in the first three rounds
but if he would have come off the whole length versatile gotta have a college degree thing and instead more narrowly defined the definiton of his need to say 3-4 edge rusher he could have made a better pick imo and got a dee ford or chewey
but like i said maybe he truly is a genius....shtein i half believe it myself...i raised their win total from 6 to 8 after a draft that i didnt like
can you find it in your heart to raise the team's wins to 10-11 ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
so are the people who never heard of marcus smith until last thursday
Would you believe I actually had heard of him? I wouldn't.
Quote from: hbionic on May 14, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
so are the people who never heard of marcus smith until last thursday
Would you believe I actually had heard of him? I wouldn't.
it wouldnt completely shock me if you never heard of lj smith
You just reminded me of him. I've been trying to erase him from memory. I'm going to have to start all over. Thanks a lot.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
so are the people who never heard of marcus smith until last thursday
You got me there. Up until 11:10 PM EST last Thursday I had no idea who Marcus Smith was. I thought I scoured enough draft sites to get a feel for the players out there that fit what the birds needed. I can't recall ever seeing his name mentioned.
I survived Michael Haddix, Kevin Allen, Lester Holmes, Leonerd Renfro, Mamula, Jon Harris, The Canadian Fireman, I'll survive this.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 14, 2014, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
so are the people who never heard of marcus smith until last thursday
You got me there. Up until 11:10 PM EST last Thursday I had no idea who Marcus Smith was. I thought I scoured enough draft sites to get a feel for the players out there that fit what the birds needed. I can't recall ever seeing his name mentioned.
I survived Michael Haddix, Kevin Allen, Lester Holmes, Leonerd Renfro, Mamula, Jon Harris, The Canadian Fireman, I'll survive this.
kenny jackson still aint getting his props.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me. The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.
He was drafted to rush the passer first and foremost...if he gets 10+ sacks and applies consistent pressure on the qb nobody will give two shteins if he can cover TEs or play the run.
I knew who he was because I read up on all the draft picks...but I only watched a few Louisville games
If he gets 10+ sacks and applies constant pressure I will never stop whacking it.
If he gets 10+ sacks per year, then he'll be living up to 1st Rd expectations, which will have me not hating the pick as much.
The pick was a reach, and most likely an unnecessary reach at that. From the little I've seen and read on him since the draft, I'm moderately excited about him. If he winds up being a Carlos Emmons type, I'll be very pleased. But that still doesn't mean that the Eagles didn't reach.
It's like overspending on a house. Sure, it still will likely turn you a profit when you sell in 20 years, but that doesn't mean you didn't pay too much for it in the 1st place.
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2014, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me. The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.
He was drafted to rush the passer first and foremost
i dont believe this to be true...because if it is then it makes the pick exponentially worse as there were much better edge rushers available...also chip and howie have mentioned numerous times that they like his versatility and length and versatility have become the hallmark of all chips acquisitions...i dont think chip would draft a guy to just to rush the passer...his multiple dimensions are what made him so attractive to chip imo...theres so many examples of it...
lane johnson - super athletic guy he can split out if he wants
barwin - tweener type able to do a little bit of everything
marlon jenkins - can play safety or slot corner...chip said he chose him over jarius byrd because of what he could do and how he fits
jaylon watkins - ditto
bennie - can play 3 or 5 technique
sproles - multi dimensional toy
james casey - h back
jason phillips - special teams linebacker
jordan matthews - can run from the x y or z spots...good blocker....the further we get away from the pimp release the more I tend to think he was released as much for his one dimensionality of just being a go route stretch the field type guy and less because he was a trouble maker
chip on smith:
"Maybe a similar situation to Lane [Johnson] in terms of you're getting a guy that is a huge upside because he hasn't played the position that long. They played multiple defenses there. He's played with his hand on the ground, he's played standing up. He can drop into coverage, he can rush the quarterback."
Both Chip and Howie said they wanted to add a pass rusher. What does he do best? Rush the passer in different schemes. Davis loves to bring pressure from different spots. He wasn't brought in because he's good in coverage. Yes they like the versatility and that he's interchangeable but just like Lane Johnson was brought in to block Smith was brought in to put pressure on the qb.
lane johnson can block but chip would never draft a road grater at OT....just like marcus smith will get some sacks but chip wants him to do a whole lot more or else he would have drafted a pass rusher
gowton made an interesting observation today that perhaps you see smith inside on passing downs for demeco next year...that's something I hadnt considered
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Heavy rotational linebacker and key backup. With Connor Barwin and Trent Cole as the starters on the outside, Smith will find playing time coming off the bench. Smith could play backup at either position (ROLB or LOLB) but I imagine they will try to rotate him with Cole. Perhaps Cole could be more effective as a pass rusher with less snaps. Another thing to watch with Smith is if the Eagles will line him up on the inside. DeMeco Ryans played almost the entirety of the Eagles defensive snaps last year. He's still a very good force against the run but he just doesn't have the ideal speed in coverage. Smith could come in on third downs in place of Ryans since he can both rush and cover. Just something to think about. In any case, I imagine the Eagles will want to be creative with Smith.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 06:22:55 PM....the further we get away from the pimp release the more I tend to think he was released as much for his one dimensionality of just being a go route stretch the field type guy and less because he was a trouble maker
Well, there's one theory that I'm willing to consider. It is supported by the types of athletes on the roster as you stated. Having a team full of those gives Chip exponential options. I still miss the 'lil guy (not MDS) but if your theory has any weight, then I can see how he's getting rid of the pieces that don't fit his plan.
I'm curious to see how this team looks and plays as soon as he has all the pieces he wants in place. Maybe that's why he stuck with Foles because of how successful he was with less than one season of his offense under his belt and if he's trying to piece this team together, then Foles is going to be that much more fluid with another season or two under his belt.
I love looking through these rose colored goggles.
I have the opposite view of IGY. The further away we get from the DeSean release the more I'm convinced it had little to do with football. He was the most versatile player on the team. He could line up in the slot, X,Z, in the backfield, motion out of any of the above, and take a punt, pitch, or reverse end around to the house as well as take the top off the D and open Shady's game up like nobody else else on the team has a prayer to.
He had personality conflicts with Chip, coaches (especially WR coach Bob Bicknell) and players, and Chip has decided to be a my way or the highway guy.
Chip and the FO all lined up to sing the same tune about the release being a football decision to avoid complications and union grievances. If they said yeah, we're worried about his attitude and handing out with murders and gangsters and rapping on the side they could be open to a suit from 10, so just let a paper tell that story instead.
Word is, they wanted Cooks who is the closest player in the draft to Jackson (though admittedly Cooks will go over the middle more willingly), so it doesn't make sense to release 10 for fb reasons just to replace him with the most similar player.
I think it was 20 percent pure football and 80% the other stuff that got him booted.
Btw, interesting point by Alex Marvez (pretty reliable guy) on Sirius during the draft when commenting on Louis Nixs' big drop. He said teams are now developing social media scouts to monitor players and Nix had things posted with people that seemed pretty iffy. Very believable to me. A lot easier than going back and finding the high school position coach's cousin's friend who used to drive to school with him. Got the impression it will become as integral a draft element as the medical reports, player interviews etc. that they compile. And you can bet the Eagles are one of the teams at the forefront.
theres no question he was released more for his off the field stuff...but pimp is 100% not a chip kind of player either...i also dont believe for a second they would have taken brandon cooks in the first round...chip definitely likes quick twitch wr's and they have a place in his offense but hes all about size length and height...we will see as the years go by but i would be shocked if he ever took a small shifty wr in the first round...josh huff in the 3th round is one thing...altho even there hes over 200 lbs and tough as nails
all im sayin is that if pimp had jordan matthews' size and on field characteristics his leash would have been a lot longer and would maybe still be on the team
I wouldn't go so far as to say he may well still be on the team if he was bigger but I doubt we'll ever know. If he was the same guy in a 6-5 body which would be truly exceptional, then yeah I could see Chip trying to work it out. I've never heard anything about Chip having a sit down with DeSean to address his problems with him, don't know if he ever tried that route. I wish Vinny Cerrato was still around, the Eagles would have gotten a 2nd for him.
I'm really surprised at the reviews that Taylor Hart is getting. Pretty much boner's all over about the guy.
if chip kelly picked him then hes basically in the HOF already
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 15, 2014, 08:51:10 AM
I'm really surprised at the reviews that Taylor Hart is getting. Pretty much boner's all over about the guy.
Won't surprise me if he makes the team, aside from Cox their DE's are really average.
SD loves Cox.
It's a lock he makes the team.
Interesting stuff from McManus today about the intelligence stuff Chip looks for:
Quote"They actually wrote up a couple of their defenses on the white board and I wasn't allowed to take notes. Then they put on a cut-up and I had to regurgitate it back to them just from memory," Beau Allen explained. "I think I did well, I don't think I messed up a single play, and I think that's a good gauge of how you learn in a football setting from a white board and then apply it to video.
"No other team that I visited didn't let me take notes. I thought that was kind of cool because you had to be on top of your game."
The experience was similar for first-round pick Marcus Smith.
"They wanted to see if I could learn it fast," said Smith. "They put [a play] on the board, erased it and put it back to me.
"The other teams put it on the board and would just talk you through it, just want to see if you can comprehend what they are putting on the board. But you see the Eagles, they put it on the board, took it off and started talking to me and started throwing stuff at you to see if you can comprehend it and [explain it] back to them. That's the difference."
One of Kelly's sayings is, "Dumb people do dumb things and smart people rarely do dumb things." He puts a heavy emphasis on football intelligence during the evaluation process.
"There's a very cerebral part to this game that I don't know if people give enough credit to," he said following last year's draft. "It's about making good decisions."
After selecting Jordan Matthews in the second round, Kelly noted that the receiver demonstrated amazing recall during his visit to Philly, and was able to rattle off the exact situation in the game and even the route he ran the moment it came up on film. Safe to say he performed well in that meeting room. Allen did, too. The same likely applies to the rest of the eventual Eagles' draft picks that visited the facility.
Chip was also using a remote control car to demonstrate motions to the players since they aren't allowed to physically do them during OTAs
Remote control cars and smoothies!
so the eagles are now basically a charter school?
Can't play if you can't spot your position coach holding up your card in under three seconds.
can you imagine if dumb asses like ray lewis michael irvin or james harrison had to play for chip
Can you imagine if you gave him a chance to succeed and stopped boring us with Todd-like repetitive bullshtein?
i imagine a world without blind homers....thats what i imagine
TAYLOR HART DOOOOOOOOOD!!!!
Oh noes. He's calling us homerz.
lol exactly. as if that's even possible.
everyone except me is a chip homer right now...never seen anything like in philly sports history
buddy
he won nothing on top of nothing....yet you and people of your ilk worship his wild card losing shrine. get a life, jew.
thats a joke right?
oh yeah you werent born yet.....the buddy era was as divisive as it got...half the people hated him and half were a cult
i have not met or come across 1 person who hated buddy....maybe now hes just beloved but in my experience youd think he was lombardi reincarnated
where do you think you got your opinion of buddy from?....you werent there then....you got it from your dad or from another buddy hater...obviously when he first got there and won 10 games a couple times the majority were on board but it didnt take long for the tide to turn the other way...and there was always an undercurrent of the guy being all talk and no action
and you are right about what it appears to be now....and that's because the buddy cult that im admittedly a part of is still going strong...while the haters just don't care about him anymore
No one hated Buddy in Philly. That's just a 100% bunch of bullshtein.
Stop your nonsense.
I hated that his teams couldn't win a playoff game, but he was entertaining as hell
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
I hated that his teams couldn't win a playoff game, but he was entertaining as hell
i think this is a fair assessment of the buddy era
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
I hated that his teams couldn't win a playoff game, but he was entertaining as hell
It's the only assessment of the Buddy era. The rest is havas lunacy.
I went to an Eagles luncheon when Buddy was the coach and he was like a rock star.
He was universally loved.
"The guy in France"
Greatest shot ever?
Quote from: MDS on May 17, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
I hated that his teams couldn't win a playoff game, but he was entertaining as hell
i think this is a fair assessment of the buddy era
yup
never won a playoff game and still a god......that's why hes the best
coach person ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlR6ujpB89k
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i also own that shirt.
Did yours come with the gawd toilet paper as well?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2014, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me. The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.
He was drafted to rush the passer first and foremost
i dont believe this to be true...because if it is then it makes the pick exponentially worse as there were much better edge rushers available...also chip and howie have mentioned numerous times that they like his versatility and length and versatility have become the hallmark of all chips acquisitions...i dont think chip would draft a guy to just to rush the passer...his multiple dimensions are what made him so attractive to chip imo...theres so many examples of it...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140530_Eagles__top_pick_on_the_surprising_side.html
HoF Smith!
QuoteBarwin said he didn't closely follow the draft drama, of fans wanting a higher-profile player, something the Eagles tried to trade up to get but could not.
"I asked him if he thought he was a first-round pick. He said, 'Yeah.' That was good enough for me," Barwin said.
I'm sure Brandon Graham and the fireman said the same thing.
same with the lack of intensity.