boyk boyk starting outside in place of fletcher bradley or bradley fletcher (or both) this week
im excited
He was what, a 4th rd pick, right? Early signs pointing towards him being a steal.
Boykins perfect as a 3rd cb. I dont know if he could ever transition to a full time starter. I guess poyer slides in as the 3rd cb. D will be tested this week, more so than last week.
3rd cb is a starter but i get your point about being worried if he can handle the outside or not....thats why im really looking forward to seeing him there this week....hes super athletic but his size could hurt him out there
He'll be the starter for the rest of the year.
This will be another win.
Eagles 31
Bolts 19
Chargers coming off a crushing loss where they blew a huge lead while traveling cross country to play at their breakfast time should mean a win.
It wouldn't during Reid's tenure.
Optimistic Rome sez...
Eagles 27
Bolts 24
should be agreat day all around. 1st home game in the chip era.
31 eagles
24 bolts
Eagles - 34
Chargers - 23
Shady may crack 200 this week.
No.
Slow your roll
Chargers 27
Eagles 17
Eagles win on a last-minute drive starting at their own 14 with 4:27 left on the clock as time expires with a kneel down.
chip mentioned limiting shady this week...well not really limiting him but he said he needs to get more bb in there and even bought up chris polks name
i also think they are going to throw a lot more this week....the chargers secondary other than weddle is horrible and the eagle te's should destroy their backers
i expect to see a lot of multiple te sets this week
james casey eagle coming out party sunday
Is Lennay Kukua playing?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
chip mentioned limiting shady this week...well not really limiting him but he said he needs to get more bb in there and even bought up chris polks name
i also think they are going to throw a lot more this week....the chargers secondary other than weddle is horrible and the eagle te's should destroy their backers
i expect to see a lot of multiple te sets this week
james casey eagle coming out party sunday
i think you are right and it's the thing i find the most exciting about Kelly.
with Andy it was his way and his way only. rarely did he change a gameplan based on his personnel and/or the opposition. i remember the regular season game against tampa in 2001 when they won and duce had a great game but usually it was throw throw throw.
i think kelly is a lot more like bellichek in that he'll adapt each week to whatever it takes to win the game.
Quote from: SunMo on September 11, 2013, 01:56:56 PM
i think kelly is a lot more like bellichek in that he'll adapt each week to whatever it takes to win the game.
Agreed. One thing I do like about him is that he has a progressive mindset and isn't going to do something that isn't working simply because that's the way he wants to do it or because that's the way it's always been done. I still think he's a douche and I'm not convinced that he'll have long term success in the NFL, but if nothing else, he's the polar opposite of Andy and that's good enough for me.....for now.
hes said he will dictate his game plan on the opponent....which should seem like the dumbest simplest most obvious thing ever
unless your team has been coached by andy reid for the last 15 years
and i dont know what he will see in the charges but i see a very unathletic and terrible back seven
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2013, 02:10:14 PM
hes said he will dictate his game plan on the opponent....which should seem like the dumbest simplest most obvious thing ever
unless your team has been coached by andy reid for the last 15 years
I laughed.
I think SD's loss on Monday is crippling to them personally. I could be way off but I think that's a deflating loss for a mediocre/bad team who has to then travel across the country on a short week to prep for a weird new offense.
If the Eagles get up early I think they pack up the bags and call it a game.
Eagles 34
SD 17
I laugh at this whole 'Chip Kelly isn't going to succeed' mindset. It's a crutch for everyone to say 'i told you so' if he does flop.
Get off that shtein.
Also a crutch for when he goes right back to college football.
Quote from: hbionic on September 11, 2013, 02:34:01 PM
I laugh at this whole 'Chip Kelly isn't going to succeed' mindset.
lol what midset?
theres like four people in the entire city that dont think hes a genius
zesty west coast team with a turnover machine qb coming off a debilitating late monday night loss that has to travel across the country and play at 10am
this SHOULD be a win. of course we just came off 15 years of andy reid where he would magically invent ways to lose games like this. take me home, chipper, take me home.
eagles 31
san diego super chargers 13
joe webb
if you combine how meaningful it was at the time with a game they should have won i cant think of any worse
they were going for the division title and playoff seeding at home in primetime against a dog team team
joe webbs one and only nfl win
1. Joe Webb game
2.
3.
4.
5.
What other ones can we throw on there?
His first regular season game as Eagles coach, unless we're only talking about the playoff years
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
1. Joe Webb game
2.
3.
4.
5.
What other ones can we throw on there?
reggie white snow game
there was a taterskin game that they lost like 17-3 at home in 2002 maybe where they had like 150 yards total offense...wasn't overly memorable tho...more personal for me...but it might have been their worst overall performance when they were a good team
another taterskin game...the week before the 44-6 dallas romp the birds lost at fed ex 10-3...i was so distraught i boycotted the dallas game and missed it
the indy game at the vet where peyton just went wild
linc opener
it gets overshadowed by the air guitar playoff debacle but the game before that was a train wreck too
billy cundiff dagger game
pittsburgh in the superbowl season
almost double OT in cincy
matt bryant from 76 yards
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2013, 06:58:08 PMthe indy game at the vet where peyton just went wild
I was at that game.
James Mungro.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
1. Joe Webb game
2.
3.
4.
5.
What other ones can we throw on there?
there was a taterskin game that they lost like 17-3 at home in 2002 maybe where they had like 150 yards total offense...wasn't overly memorable tho...more personal for me...but it might have been their worst overall performance when they were a good team
Wasn't Tony Banks the QB for the skins that day? That was infuriating.
The Cardinal game at The Vet where Troy Vincent got toasted for the game winning td. Who was that cardinal receiver? I know Jake the Snake was the Cards QB.
thing i remember most about martay jenkins play was some jerk off coming off the cardinals bench in like a full addidas track suit and smacking all the cardinals on the ass with it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
1. Joe Webb game
2.
3.
4.
5.
What other ones can we throw on there?
another taterskin game...the week before the 44-6 dallas romp the birds lost at fed ex 10-3...i was so distraught i boycotted the dallas game and missed it
Pretty sure Ki Jana Carter scored a TD that game
2004 against the Steelers
billy cundiff dagger game?
refresh my memory
with the insane amount of praise for chip kelly coming out of eagle players mouths this week...it will almost be a disappointment if they dont put up 50
All they have to do for that to happen is sort out their blocking assignments and make sure Vick makes correct decisions on every snap. Surely that's something they can fix in a short week.
It also might help if Vick stops thinking he's Alan Faneca, and cuts out the launching himself headfirst throwing running blocks. He's got a death wish, or at least an end of career wish.
Bradley Fletcher out for Sunday.
what about fletcher bradleys status?
He's on the RIP IR...gone forever
Quote from: MDS on September 12, 2013, 02:42:35 AM
billy cundiff dagger game?
refresh my memory
This one igs?
2003 @ Dallas (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=231012006)
yes sir
you are literally the only person who references billy cundiff in relation to what happened in that game
My buddy (Marine sniper who was in Iraq) is running the flag out onto the field Sunday.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
you are literally the only person who references billy cundiff in relation to what happened in that game
Billy himself probably doesn't remember
Quote from: SD on September 13, 2013, 03:25:15 PM
My buddy (Marine sniper who was in Iraq) is running the flag out onto the field Sunday.
If he was really your buddy, he'd take out Rivers and Gates from the nosebleed seats.
And your ex. But that goes without saying.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
you are literally the only person who references billy cundiff in relation to what happened in that game
Billy himself probably doesn't remember
andy's stupid surprise onside part II and mcnabb failing again to win a game when given a chance in the last 2 minutes of the 4th
thats what i remember
lets keep it real...you didnt remember ANY of it until easy posted that link
shtein it took the master over 24 hours to figure what game it was
Quote from: Zanshin on September 13, 2013, 03:35:00 PM
And your ex. But that goes without saying.
You have no idea how much we joke about that
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
lets keep it real...you didnt remember ANY of it until easy posted that link
shtein it took the master over 24 hours to figure what game it was
and?
Definitely gotta include that Jamarcus Russell OAK game a few years ago... I swear it took that Oak TE 5 minutes to run in and score an 80 yard touchdown....
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
lets keep it real...you didnt remember ANY of it until easy posted that link
shtein it took the master over 24 hours to figure what game it was
and?
i remember billy cundiff hitting a fg with a minute left that mad me really really angry
Had you said the "Andy Reid failed onsides kick to start the game" game, more people would have known what game you meant.
Quote from: SD on September 13, 2013, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on September 13, 2013, 03:35:00 PM
And your ex. But that goes without saying.
You have no idea how much we joke about that
It's all fun and games until somebody's frontal lobe explodes in a red mist.
Why would he take her out? He's probably like one of ten of your friends that's already done her.
Sassy is gonna kick so much ass when he reads this.
After last week, I feel that the big question here is if Vick can make the quick reads that this offense needs to function at it's best. He did alright last week but seemed to make some bad decisions passing at times. There were times though, that he got the ball out really quick. That's what this offense needs, it's designed to work fast and keep the defense guessing and on their heels. At least that what is looks like to me.
So basically everyone but me, Jay, Chuggie & the little guy are going to the game today.
I hate all of you so, so much.
I'm not going. I won't even be watching it on TV.
And they still suck. 1-16.
Chargers 35
Eagles 24
1-16?
How drunk are you right now?
Quote from: Rome on September 15, 2013, 09:57:44 AM
1-16?
How drunk are you right now?
1. I don't drink.
2. They'll lose the bye week.
Matt Barkley
Bradley Fletcher
Shaun Prater
Matt Tobin
Lurch Kelly
Vinny Curry
Emil Igwenagu
Another week of Curry being inactive...
Cedric Thornton!
Good job by Nate Allen being awful.
Whoever lines up across King Dunlap better farging dominate him all game
They haven't scored yet? Shocking.
Boo, these losers are losing. What a bunch of chokers, etc.
Redneck Cooper with a nice half a block there for McCoy. :yay
What a horrible pass!
You're pounding the ball down their throat inside the ten? Better throw it to a sixth stringer.
Play design was fine. A non-McNabb pass and that's a TD. Even as it was he still should've caught it.
Awful
I really like this defensive philosophy of just sliding on the grass when you've missed your tackle.
This defense... is almost as bad as the, um, "foreign" feed I'm watching... :paranoid
Chung killed Nate Allen, so he is now my second favorite player.
So, are we all back to a 4 win season now?
And lol, I saw the eagles at #5 in a power ranking this week.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 15, 2013, 01:42:04 PM
So, are we all back to a 4 win season now?
That's optimistic. I'm on record.
Vick you big dummy.
Seriously, just bench Vick. Then cut him. And shoot him in the dick.
Eagles showing some good finesse there, getting a penalty on a loss so it would be declined anyway
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 01:46:23 PM
Seriously, just bench Vick. Then cut him. And shoot him in the dick.
Then trade him for a 2nd to washington
Vick era can end now. Any pass in play and that's a TD and then that fumble thing. Just pull the plug on him.
TD second drive without Vick. TD last drive if he put the ball in play to Jackson.
This team's going to be amazing when they get a quarterback, corners, a safety, pass rusher, and a receiver.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
This team's going to be amazing when they get a quarterback, corners, a safety, pass rusher, and a receiver.
with a 3-4 they are going nowhere without a nose tackle
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 15, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
This team's going to be amazing when they get a quarterback, corners, a safety, pass rusher, and a receiver.
with a 3-4 they are going nowhere without a nose tackle
Pass rushing nose tackle, then. Those are totally common and easy to find, I don't know why they don't already have two.
doesn't seem like the game is that close.
in other lol news, GB over wash 17-0
This defense couldn't stop a junior high team. My six-year old tackles better.
Well that was damn lucky.
:flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff this defense
This defense is painful to watch. Nice TO though.
And the offense could do nothing with it. Yay.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 01:59:54 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 15, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
This team's going to be amazing when they get a quarterback, corners, a safety, pass rusher, and a receiver.
with a 3-4 they are going nowhere without a nose tackle
Pass rushing nose tackle, then. Those are totally common and easy to find, I don't know why they don't already have two.
That's because they're carrying 19 tight ends.
Should have run it three times.
Shrugs
Wtf? Interference?
Told you this defense was good!
the big question is if they can go 3 and out in 20 seconds
Hey guys, you're running out of time here. Try that deep pass dealie again?
Okay, try that deep pass again, but this time block as well.
not too many qbs have the arm to overthrow Desean on a bomb while being hit
Shady. That is all.
c'mon, get a penalty to knock you out of fg range
This game has no business being this close, but I'm still gonna be mad about that missed FG.
You skinny little farg!
Cut him.
Gee, a team traveling cross country, with a short week to prepare, coming off a devastating home loss is pushing the birds around. Shocking.
Eagles have missed 3 TDs, two wide open to Jackson and one in the end one with Casey. Chargers have fumbled twice inside the ten. Well played everyone.
yeah its pretty much on Vick, they could be blowing SD out
The defense is playing awful...except for those two fumbles. How about some goddamn pressure on that farging statue Rivers? How about not letting guys run free down the middle?!
Oh...Alex Henery...farg your goddamn mother
Just switched over to NfL Redzone. Browns, Titans and Dolphins kickers all nailed 51, 47 & 54 yarders respectively as the half ended.
Make the skinny farg do extra bench presses.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 15, 2013, 02:29:40 PM
yeah its pretty much on Vick, they could be blowing SD out
The disinterested mental midget had better get his shtein together. Full of himself again after a descent performance on national tv.
that was a fumble by Floyd, why aren't they challenging it?
And yes, they aren't going anywhere with Vick anyway. He can get hot but can't sustain it or stay healthy
Are they giving him that catch? Total fumble.
I advanced it frame by frame and to me it looked like definitely a football related move after catch and the ball was out before his knee touched the turf. Obviously they've had plenty of time to review it though so I don't get it.
Is there any other corner they could put out there? Anyone?
Ok gimmick offense lets go.
"A complete whiff by the Eagles' secondary."
I think we'll be hearing this a ton this season.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 15, 2013, 02:58:11 PM
Ok gimmick offense lets go.
If the gimmick isn't scoring two touchdowns on the same drive I don't think it'll help.
Oh well, that kind of day.
For those frustrated with Vick now, there's always a bright side.
A certain AFC west team burned 2 time outs early in the first half and just another in the third quarter. Any guesses which team?
Nate Allen needs to be cut
farg these refs. That was a swat to Vicks head.
Figures. Vick finally gets his shtein together, and they still farg it up.
farging flag. farg you.
omfg
What the hell was that rookie?
Did they just completely forget about running plays?
Philip Rivers is a douche. Reminds me of Johnny Papsmear.
Eagles are legit inventing ways not to score this game.
next up, victory formation 3 and out
Holy shtein, the secondary made a play!
the only DB not playing poorly is a sub
He finally figured out how to get a pass to Jackson in stride. Only took like ten tries.
Finally hit it! PIMP!!
I don't know whether to cheer or cringe because I know that the defense is coming back on the field.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2013, 03:15:44 PM
I don't know whether to cheer or cringe because I know that the defense is coming back on the field.
Sooner or later Rivers is gonna be Rivers.
But until then Chung is gonna be Chung.
will they stop playing a prevent D if they get the lead?
They could sign and play an entirely new set of defensive backs next week and there would be no noticeable difference.
We all know how bad the secondary is. The problem is they're playing a team with a bad Oline and statue for QB and can't get ANY pressure on Rivers. Pressure protects the secondary and makes rivers make mistakes.
haha Vick is throwing for more yards so far than Rivers
Boykin you're awful. Stay down. Crawl off the field, you dirty slut.
3rd and 8 might as well be 3 rd and 1 this game
If the Eagles have a 4th and 20 at their own 1, they may as well go for it. It's not like it's making much difference.
Somehow all this terrible defensive play is because McCoy doesn't have enough carries, I just need to find a way to prove it.
3rd and 10... will they get 11, or the whole TD now?
:o
So if they somehow only lose this game by three, do the talk radio idiots spend the week talking about what a choker Henery is?
Quote from: General_Failure on September 15, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
So if they somehow only lose this game by three, do MDS and Igy spend the week talking about what a choker Henery is?
You're supposed to change something when you quote for comedic effect.
And 10 with a bonehead penalty in the 4th. Somewhere Plaxico is lhao at how the Eagles are shooting themselves in the foot.
Not to be outdone, Colquit just stuck a beautiful one bounce 64 yard punt at the Dal 2 yardline and the gunner gets a penalty
What a clusterfarg.
I was looking for Moe, Larry and Curly on that play.
(http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/171/05/171-0515035310-Three-Stooges-football-.jpg)
The Eagles' tackling technique:
(http://chud.com/articles/content_images/104/threestoogesvolumeone005.gif)
Avant is no Chad Lewis.
run the damn ball
Why are the Eagles in such a damn hurry right now? Even a touchdown isn't enough if you give the defense enough time to lose it.
The Foles era not off to a great start.
Henery. Clutch kicker.
holy shtein henery
If ever there was a time a team needed a special teams turnover.
Why the farg do you throw three times inside the 15 with that amount of time left.
Something in me was clutching on that play.
Of course, no confidence that the defense will in any way stop SD from getting the game winning field goal in 1:51, so it probably doesn't matter.
Sure, let Gates pick up an extra 15 yards and get out of bounds because you can't tackle.
SD isnt going to make the same mistake of leaving he eagles a heap of time left
Embarrassing clock management. Embarrassing defense.
AR might as well have been coaching down the stretch
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 15, 2013, 04:09:32 PM
AR might as well have been coaching down the stretch
Calling runs inside the 20 to make the defense use timeouts is dumb, throw them passes that don't connect instead.
Wtf is chip Kelly doing
Seriously wtf. Lets give them more yards!
this exactly what AR used to do
This game is all kinds of stupid.
And so are we for watching this shtein...
Same team as last year. Good to know early.
now the secret CHipper no huddle KOR FTW
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 15, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Same team as last year. Good to know early.
At least I didn't pay $300 for the privilege of watching it this year.
Well that sure was something.
fitting ending
What a pathetic defensive effort.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 15, 2013, 04:21:05 PM
What a pathetic defensive effort.
Forget pathetic... there was no effort on that tackling.
1 farging punt
Peyton Manning must be stroking himself thinking of playing this defense in two weeks.
defense is and was an abomination...especially the secondary....but chip not holding the ball when they got a 1st down at the 14 was perhaps the worst coaching decision this side of something andy reid would do
you have a defense that cant stop a farging thing and you throw three times from the 14. after the jackson completion you could have taken it to 200. at worst the game is tied. keep the ball on the ground, eat clock or their timeouts. but no. he throws 3 times and leaves sd all the time in the world to win the game.
disgusting. but the offense looked great.
Quote from: MDS on September 15, 2013, 04:52:22 PM
defense is and was an abomination...especially the secondary....but chip not holding the ball when they got a 1st down at the 14 was perhaps the worst coaching decision this side of something andy reid would do
you have a defense that cant stop a farging thing and you throw three times from the 14. after the jackson completion you could have taken it to 200. at worst the game is tied. keep the ball on the ground, eat clock or their timeouts. but no. he throws 3 times and leaves sd all the time in the world to win the game.
disgusting. but the offense looked great.
yep
MDS for game advisor?
I think three guys ran out of bounds or the play calls led them out prior to them getting to the 14. That was a bigger issue for me. Once the got down there so quick I think you have to be aggressive and get seven. Even you make SD use all their time outs, they still have plenty time to get three and win. Great game though fun to watch!!
he should have called a timeout and allowed vick to not miss a play....instead he put foles in and ran in inexplicable 30 yard fade
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2013, 07:09:04 PM
he should have called a timeout and allowed vick to not miss a play....instead he put foles in and ran in inexplicable 30 yard fade
Yeah, in a string of weird things about that drive, that was the craziest. Take a breath, dammit.
Skippy Reided up the end of the game.
agree w/MDS and I was yelling it as it was happening. You're at the 14. SD is cutting through your D every drive. Let it go to the 2 min warning. Either score a TD or kick a FG with as little time left as possible. Eagles were running the ball well, so you're just as likely to score running as passing anyway and you get the bonus of draining the clock. Instead they run that play before the 2 min warning which made no sense, threw the ball 3 times and kicked. I don't get that. At all.
And Nate Allen really should be cut tomorrow. I don't care who else they run out there, they won't be as bad as he is. The whole secondary is terrible, but he is the worst of the bunch.
kendricks was terrible too...had a great game last week and gates/woodheadh/matthews ate him up
will be masked by other worldly terrible secondary but holy shtein they need talent on defense
connor barwin can go wherever nate allen is going
chipper should be a offensive coordinator....not a head coach
Nate Allen is awful. The Wolff should start from here on out.
As for Chips comment about no safeties on the street to sign?
Kerry Rhodes
he meant there were no straight safeties
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2013, 07:19:25 PM
connor barwin can go wherever nate allen is going
chipper should be a offensive coordinator....not a head coach
well he needs either a great D coordinator or talent on D. I don't expect him to turn the D around in one year since it's not his primary thing and it had the biggest talent deficiency. I think he can be OK as a HC, but I don't expect the D to be anything better than bad this year.
he seems ok when hes at oregon up 60 at halftime every game.....but in the nfl when it comes to big boy decisions in large spots not so good
i was as angry as anyone but im not gonna write the guy off for 1 bad decision. if it becomes a consistent thing then yeah we have a problem
im not writing him off forever...but hes clearly not ready for this level right now....on the job training...hopefully he edumacates himself
well he basically does have a free season to do that...super bowl hopes didnt die today my man
you know what they call eddie royal in france?
A wide receiver with three touchdowns against a terrible secondary?
Terrible secondary is right. Had to leave half mid 3rd quarter and just watched the rest. Vick actually looked a lot better after his overthrows to pimp in the first half. Shady is God. Pimp has impressed me so far. He's thriving in this system. Now let me regress, the defense. This is not a coaching issue, a system issue, it's a lack of talent. No talent. How in gods name do you not put any pressure on the sun dial timed 40 Rivers? Unacceptable. The LB 's are not very good and the secondary is a complete abomination. Fatty could come back in to town and really embarrass this mess of a defense.
At least it was a close loss, we didn't get bent over like the Giants or Skins. My $0.02 on this game:
Offensive verdict: :D
Defensive verdict: :boom
But in the long run this is a rebuilding year under a new coach, if we go 8-8 I'll be plenty happy as long as there are some improvements along the way.
The defense is so bad, they'll eventually take away the opening win. 0-17!
More seriously, that is eight home losses in a row. Ugh.
watching this team is like watching an arena team. any defensive stop they get is almost like a turnover and everytime they have the ball they need to get 7 or they could be screwed.
people are so hung up on this desean penalty. i mean, i know it's because most of these mouthbreathers will look for anything to rip him on but that penalty was irrelevant. in fact, i was happy the chargers would be starting closer to they would score faster and get the ball back to the eagles. chip should just onside kick every time, if you get it great if not at least you get the ball back quicker
I get not being happy with the loss, but this isn't a surprise to anyone, right?
I mean, the offense looked good, other than some Vick inaccuracies, the Head Coach with no NFL coaching experience is still figuring things out, and the Defense looked bad, particularly the secondary. That sounds exactly like what they figured to be. If they look anything other than that for any stretch of the year, it's a bonus...because that's exactly what they are.
The offense is more or less worth the price of admission. It'll take some time getting used to watching this fast paced style in the stadium because you don't have time between plays to glance over at the league scoreboard or double check down and distance otherwise you'll end up missing the next play.
1981 Colts gave up 33.3 pts per game, worst in NFL history. 2013 Eagles are giving up 30 ppg. If it wasn't for 2 boneheaded SD turnovers inside the 10 yesterday before halftime, this defense would already be on pace to smash that record.
I hate Nate Allen so much right now. If he JR Reed'd himself today I'd send him a Thank You note. As good as Cary Williams played last week, he played just as bad this week.
As good of a game as Pimp had yesterday (great, really), I'll probably remember the dropped bomb/sure fire TD and the stupid penalty after the Vick TD even more because I'm obviously racist. I'm kidding.....kid balled out and I can forgive the drop, but that penalty was farging dumb.
I'm convinced this defense couldn't have gotten pressure on Rivers yesterday even if they were allowed to line up in the Chargers' backfield.
I was sitting right in the top of the corner of the end zone where Celek got hurt and was watching him slowly get up and didn't even realize that Vick hurt himself on that play, too. Havas and I were talking about that on the way out of the stadium trying to figure out why Chip didn't either call a TO or just run the ball once he brought Foles in. Hell, I'll even go a step further and say that if you're hell bent on throwing in that situation, throw anything besides a corner fade. For a QB coming off the bench who isn't in any sort of rhythm, a touch pass like that has got to be the hardest pass to throw.
As fun as this offense is to watch between the 20s, it still looks like it has the tendency to stall inside the red zone. Once you get the shorter field and the big play is taken away by the back of the end zone, this team still struggles. And once inside the 10, I'd like to see Kelly implement some more traditional offensive formations. The guy runs 8000 plays in about 20min top, surely he can find a way to squeeze about 5-10 traditional formations when they start sniffing the goal line. That's probably my biggest criticism so far with him.
And you gotta tip your hat to the Chargers game plan. They were running a no huddle and getting to the line with 20+ seconds left on the clock, but Rivers was in no hurry to snap the ball. He was reading the d and making adjustments once the d showed their hand. He's a punk bitch, but he's been around the league for 10 years now and he's a fairly smart QB and he was just having a field day with them. Wait until Peyton gets a shot at this d. The league may actually implement a mercy rule and end the game when he throws for 500 yds through 3 quarters.
Blaming anyone on offense for that loss is the definition of moronic.
The defense is totally horrendous. Nothing's going to change that.
8-8 would be a miracle finish for this team.
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 08:16:38 AM
watching this team is like watching an arena team. any defensive stop they get is almost like a turnover and everytime they have the ball they need to get 7 or they could be screwed.
people are so hung up on this desean penalty. i mean, i know it's because most of these mouthbreathers will look for anything to rip him on but that penalty was irrelevant. in fact, i was happy the chargers would be starting closer to they would score faster and get the ball back to the eagles. chip should just onside kick every time, if you get it great if not at least you get the ball back quicker
Are people really making a big deal out of that penalty? That is like 15th on a list of many of things to bitch about yesterday.
I DVR'd the game and am through the first half. If it's at all possible the defense and specifically the DBs look worse on tv than they did live.
i know after looking at all the yards and plays that the secondary gets the brunt of the blame. but we all knew the secondary was shtein this year, the only way to negate that is with a passrush and there was NONE. they blitzed so much yesterday and never got close to getting home.
yeah the lack of a pass rush was a travesty
Last week they pressured the middle on RG3 forcing him to roll out of the pocket because they knew his knee wasn't healthy. That strategy would have worked against Rivers too, but they keep blitzing off the edge and through the guard/tackle holes.
Hold onto the farging ball Casey you farging waste.
Nate Allen has a job and Kerry Rhodes is on the street. Someone explain why. Because he might be/is gay? If the team with 60-70% black dudes on the roster hasn't revolted after KKKooper's comments, I think they can deal with having a really good player on their team at a position of need who likes to cover tight ends.
Quote from: SD on September 16, 2013, 09:20:11 AM
Hold onto the farging ball Casey you farging waste.
yeah that set of downs was a killer....you dont get down there in the first place without shady but because he ran like 80 yards on the catch he was gassed and didnt play again on the series (i thought the team was in sports science shape)....still tho casey has to make that catch
It was really more of a pass saunter than a pass rush.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2013, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: SD on September 16, 2013, 09:20:11 AM
Hold onto the farging ball Casey you farging waste.
yeah that set of downs was a killer....you dont get down there in the first place without shady but because he ran like 80 yards on the catch he was gassed and didnt play again on the series (i thought the team was in sports science shape)....still tho casey has to make that catch
Yup. It was a bad throw from Vick, but still a ball that Casey could and should catch.
McManus:
QuoteIf it looked like Rivers knew exactly what was coming, well, he did, according to several of the Eagles' defensive players.
"Phillip Rivers just seemed to know everything that we were trying to throw at him," said Cary Williams.
"They understood some of our calls or whatever was going on, it looked like he knew exactly what DeMeco was calling to a degree. He knew exactly what we were in to a degree. It was unfortunate. Sometimes you get outwitted, sometimes you get outplayed and I think today was one of those days."
Rivers was able to get the better of the Eagles pre-snap. Connor Barwin explained that the no-huddle attack that the Chargers deployed wasn't in the name of getting the snap off quickly. Instead, San Diego just sat at the line of scrimmage, allowed time to tick off the clock, and waited until the defense showed its hand. Once it did, the veteran quarterback made his adjustment and exploited the vulnerable area.
"We fell into it, showed our hand early, which I'm sure we'll look back on tape and say we should have figured it out earlier and stopped showing what we were coming with," said Barwin.
Whisenhunt was familiar with Davis' crap from the NFC West days and knew how to attack it
i wonder if the sd coaches knew cary williams would have three penalties
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 16, 2013, 10:12:10 AM
McManus:
QuoteRivers was able to get the better of the Eagles pre-snap. Connor Barwin explained that the no-huddle attack that the Chargers deployed wasn't in the name of getting the snap off quickly. Instead, San Diego just sat at the line of scrimmage, allowed time to tick off the clock, and waited until the defense showed its hand. Once it did, the veteran quarterback made his adjustment and exploited the vulnerable area.
"We fell into it, showed our hand early, which I'm sure we'll look back on tape and say we should have figured it out earlier and stopped showing what we were coming with," said Barwin.
Whisenhunt was familiar with Davis' crap from the NFC West days and knew how to attack it
McManus obviously reads my :CF commentary.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 16, 2013, 08:24:59 AM
And you gotta tip your hat to the Chargers game plan. They were running a no huddle and getting to the line with 20+ seconds left on the clock, but Rivers was in no hurry to snap the ball. He was reading the d and making adjustments once the d showed their hand. He's a punk bitch, but he's been around the league for 10 years now and he's a fairly smart QB and he was just having a field day with them.
You've gotta credit Rivers. It's not like he has mega talent to throw too, his passes are right on the money.
farg you Henery for not even getting close with that FG. They drive the length of the field and that's the best you can do? Skinny bum.
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Fletcher Cox" "farg you bitch"
That was only the 2nd time an Eagle defender touched Rivers all day and this time it was only because Rivers initiated the contact.
the defense stinks. we know that.
but the defense wasnt rushing the plays and staying in bounds not stopping the clock on the drive before the two minute warning.
one of the off the field positives from yesetrday was the atmostphere
both in the lots and the stadium
it was electric and a complete 180 from the last couple of years
hope is a powerful drug indeed
watching a few plays on the nfl rewind and the first play of the game for the chargers offense mathews gets the ball and runs right. nate allen comes up to meet him at the 14 yard line (pretty much standing straight up, not in a tackling position) and gets stiff armed for 6 yards until he is able to pull mathews down as he falls. oh and he facemasks him to add 15 yards to the play
What did DeSean do to get the penalty? I was watching live and I didn't see it.
he was "keepin' it real"
nobody saw it, chip said it wasn't even on the game tape.
Probably tried to freestyle, deemed unnecessary roughness and a violation of the 8th amendment.
Quote from: methdeez on September 16, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
What did DeSean do to get the penalty? I was watching live and I didn't see it.
He was lined up on the right side of the field and basically ran like a fade route to the corner. The corner covering him (not sure who it was on that play) helped him out of bounds. Didn't really push, but I guess just sort of guided him out.....which is what DBs are supposed to do. Jackson didn't like it and pushed him and there was a ref about 3 feet away.
It was a stupid penalty because he was so far away from the play and because the DB didn't do anything wrong. But it was also pretty irrelevant. Its' not like the Chargers weren't driving the ball downfield and kicking the game winner anyway.
Shoves really shouldn't warrant 15 yard penalties.
Just saying.
CSN's lunchbreak thing actually had the headline "Blame Desean?" for yesterday's game lol
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
CSN's lunchbreak thing actually had the headline "Blame Desean?" for yesterday's game lol
Haha. Yeah, blame the guy with 193 receiving yards. That makes sense. He did have 3 costly mistakes yesterday (the penalty, the drop, ran a route too close to the sidelines and couldn't make the catch in bounds) but his overall performance easily nullified those mistakes.
Like 95% of that loss falls on the defense and the other 5% can be divided up among Kelly, Henery, Johnson, and Casey.
Doesn't Havas' homegirl host that show? Ms Rhea Huuuuuuuughes?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 16, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
CSN's lunchbreak thing actually had the headline "Blame Desean?" for yesterday's game lol
Haha. Yeah, blame the guy with 193 receiving yards. That makes sense. He did have 3 costly mistakes yesterday (the penalty, the drop, ran a route too close to the sidelines and couldn't make the catch in bounds) but his overall performance easily nullified those mistakes.
Like 95% of that loss falls on the defense and the other 5% can be divided up among Kelly, Henery, Johnson, and Casey.
of those 3 mistakes i would say that the "drop" was a tough play, but he should make it. the sideline ball was on vick, you have the whole side of the field to throw it to, don't make it so close
Quote from: Rome on September 16, 2013, 02:14:16 PM
Shoves really shouldn't warrant 15 yard penalties.
Just saying.
Sure, but it would be nice if he didn't shove a DB five times a game.
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 16, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
CSN's lunchbreak thing actually had the headline "Blame Desean?" for yesterday's game lol
Haha. Yeah, blame the guy with 193 receiving yards. That makes sense. He did have 3 costly mistakes yesterday (the penalty, the drop, ran a route too close to the sidelines and couldn't make the catch in bounds) but his overall performance easily nullified those mistakes.
Like 95% of that loss falls on the defense and the other 5% can be divided up among Kelly, Henery, Johnson, and Casey.
of those 3 mistakes i would say that the "drop" was a tough play, but he should make it. the sideline ball was on vick, you have the whole side of the field to throw it to, don't make it so close
I guess you could say it's 50/50 on both of them, but Jackson had his guy beat so badly and if he brings that route back towards the inside a little bit it gives Vick a bigger window to put the ball in. Of course, Vick could have just thrown the ball a further inside and force Jackson to adjust. So, ok....50/50 split.
The problem with the drop was that he wanted to catch, run, and score rather than dive, catch, and not score.
on the 2nd illegal formation penalty that negated the jackson td, it was called on lane johnson but i think herremans is the real guilty culprit. johnson is lined up off of herremans like he normally would be but herremans is way back off of kelce
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All day long at work a bunch of us have been going over the last two minutes of that game....
Although it doesn't matter, Here's what I would've done had I been head coach... What say u?
Trailing by three, the Birds had the ball at their 29-yard line with 3:05 left in the fourth quarter. It took them all of five plays and 56 seconds to reach the San Diego 14-yard line. That was fine.
Let clock run down all the way to 2 minute warning....
2:00-1st & 10 @ SD 14 yd line – Handoff to LeSean McCoy (possible 3-4 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:50 remaining)
1:50-2nd & 6 @ SD 10 yd line – Handoff to Lesean McCoy (possible 3 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:40 remaining)
1:40-3rd & 3 @ SD 7 yd line - Handoff to Lesean McCoy (benefit of a doubt; possible 2 yd gain)
(SD has choice to take TO or save it – let's say they take their FINAL TO (1:32 remaining)
1:32-4th & 1 @ SD 5 yd line – Alex Henery FG (game tied 30-30) (1:25 remaining)
Alex Henery kickoff sails out of bounds in back of end zone – SD Ball at SD 20 yd line
1:25 REMAINING, NO TIME OUTS
SD would have to travel 45 yards to get in a long field goal situation with the clock running and no time outs available, plus run their kicker out with no warm-up time to try to make a 50 yard FG with time ticking down... GO TO OVERTIME
But then again, considering this awful defense, anything is possible, so I guess this is a mute point...
Herremans has been horrible this season. I don't know if the switch back to Guard or what but he's playing like shtein.
to me i take issue with them not staying in bounds on plays at the end. there was no need to stop the clock. none. make SD use their timeouts. there were three plays if i remember correctly that turned into 1st downs on that drive but the player ran out of bounds on all three which helped conserve time for the chargers.
bottom line is regardless of the "expected" horrible play from the defense this game was in the offense's hands at the end and it was like reid never left.
the sideline play was all vick...on deep balls like that you throw the ball to a spot and the receiver runs under it....its not a targeted throw....if desean was running five yards out of bounds would vick have thrown the ball there?
Quote from: GeneralZOD on September 16, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
All day long at work a bunch of us have been going over the last two minutes of that game....
Although it doesn't matter, Here's what I would've done had I been head coach... What say u?
Trailing by three, the Birds had the ball at their 29-yard line with 3:05 left in the fourth quarter. It took them all of five plays and 56 seconds to reach the San Diego 14-yard line. That was fine.
Let clock run down all the way to 2 minute warning....
2:00-1st & 10 @ SD 14 yd line – Handoff to LeSean McCoy (possible 3-4 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:50 remaining)
1:50-2nd & 6 @ SD 10 yd line – Handoff to Lesean McCoy (possible 3 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:40 remaining)
1:40-3rd & 3 @ SD 7 yd line - Handoff to Lesean McCoy (benefit of a doubt; possible 2 yd gain)
(SD has choice to take TO or save it – let's say they take their FINAL TO (1:32 remaining)
1:32-4th & 1 @ SD 5 yd line – Alex Henery FG (game tied 30-30) (1:25 remaining)
Alex Henery kickoff sails out of bounds in back of end zone – SD Ball at SD 20 yd line
1:25 REMAINING, NO TIME OUTS
SD would have to travel 45 yards to get in a long field goal situation with the clock running and no time outs available, plus run their kicker out with no warm-up time to try to make a 50 yard FG with time ticking down... GO TO OVERTIME
But then again, considering this awful defense, anything is possible, so I guess this is a mute point...
couldnt disagree more with the play selection you have there...why would you play for a tie?....i still wouldnt agree with running the ball there but if they were tied and going for the lead there would be an argument at least because you were trying to WIN the game...but why would you run three times just to tie it....you absolutely have to go balls out to score a touchdown in that situation...
on the clock management side of things chipper was not good...but my biggest problem was not knowing the rule that he could have called a time out and not had to waste a play with foles...and then he piled on that mistake by running an assinine play for him
It amazes me that more of you aren't in the coaching profession. You obviously should be.
Yeah, I don't agree with playing for a tie either. A td puts them up 4 and SD must go the length of the field and get in the end zone to win. Anytime you have an opportunity to take game winning FG's out of the equation, then you sell out in order to do so....especially when your defense was as bad as the Eagles was yesterday. 1:25 would and no timeouts would have still been more than enough time for Rivers to get them into FG range.
Questioning the play calling itself is fine, but they should have absolutely gone for the TD. Hell, if anything, I'd have rather seen them go for it on 4th down. It's not really smart but the entertainment factor would have been elevated which is about all I'm hoping to get out of this team this year.
100% agree. I was yelling go for it the moment the 3rd down play failed.
I'm a dipshtein, though.
it wouldnt have been the worst thing, really. the moment they kicked the fg the game was over. you knew sd was gonna drive for the winning kick.
chip admitted today the whole sequence was awful. all you can do is hope he learns from his mistake, unlike fatso, who never did. and i guess its not like this will screw up their chances at winning a super bowl or anything.
their ceiling for this year is winning a bad division and losing to seattle or san fran in the first round of the playoffs. that "goal" is still attainable.
i just rewatched late in the 3rd quarter when the eagles got a 3 and out after they tied it at 20. on 3rd down they called a defensive holding on Chung and it was a brutal call. not impacting the play at all and not even a hold.
Yeah playing for the win was option by a couple of my co-workers... I thought about that but there is always that thing in my mind for the past couple of years that something stupid would've happened (like a false start, botched snap); I felt like this game had that "unfortunate circumstance" thing written all over it.... that's why I was content to take a tie into OT; hopefully Birdz get the ball first, drive, and score TD
the offense and vick were in an absolute zone that second half...and on that drive in particular just breezed down the field...to then all of a sudden slam on the brakes run three times and kick a fg would have been ridiculous imo...the damn "injury" to vick killed all their momentum there
Yep...I knew that even after SD scored to make it 30-27 that there was no doubt the Eagles were going to go take the lead. This offense can score virtually at will...and in 2-min situations when DCs decide to run prevent? It will increase the scoring because that middle will be wide open.
But the injury to Vick stopped the momentum. Now Chip knows that he can call a TO and to slow it down in that situation.
Difference between Chip and Andy? I believe Chip will learn from that and apply it going forward
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
Difference between Chip and Andy? I believe Chip will learn from that and apply it going forward
And about 100 lbs. And fruit smoothies. And musical practices. And pressers.
I don't see how running the ball and playing for the win are inherently conflicting ideologies. The Eagles showed that they could run the ball against SD. I don't see why the idea of running when they got to the 14 means settling for a FG, especially with the added bonus of draining clock considered.
Hindsight, maybe they should milk clock....but I can't get mad at a guy who uses all his bullets looking for the end zone in what has worked all game. Play to win. You'll keep the pressure on the defense and play on your own terms. If you play scared, you already lost.
I'm good with it. If they score, we're all sucking each other's dicks.
NFL Network picked this as their game of the week and will replay it tomorrow night
Quote from: GeneralZOD on September 16, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
All day long at work a bunch of us have been going over the last two minutes of that game....
Although it doesn't matter, Here's what I would've done had I been head coach... What say u?
Trailing by three, the Birds had the ball at their 29-yard line with 3:05 left in the fourth quarter. It took them all of five plays and 56 seconds to reach the San Diego 14-yard line. That was fine.
Let clock run down all the way to 2 minute warning....
2:00-1st & 10 @ SD 14 yd line – Handoff to LeSean McCoy (possible 3-4 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:50 remaining)
1:50-2nd & 6 @ SD 10 yd line – Handoff to Lesean McCoy (possible 3 yd gain)
SD calls TO (1:40 remaining)
1:40-3rd & 3 @ SD 7 yd line - Handoff to Lesean McCoy (benefit of a doubt; possible 2 yd gain)
(SD has choice to take TO or save it – let's say they take their FINAL TO (1:32 remaining)
1:32-4th & 1 @ SD 5 yd line – Alex Henery FG (game tied 30-30) (1:25 remaining)
Alex Henery kickoff sails out of bounds in back of end zone – SD Ball at SD 20 yd line
1:25 REMAINING, NO TIME OUTS
SD would have to travel 45 yards to get in a long field goal situation with the clock running and no time outs available, plus run their kicker out with no warm-up time to try to make a 50 yard FG with time ticking down... GO TO OVERTIME
But then again, considering this awful defense, anything is possible, so I guess this is a mute point...
Sorry yall, I reread my post and I understand what u guys are talking about in "playing for the win" Let me reiterate my true feelings at that time...
At that particular time in the game the Birdz were rolling and I had no doubt that handing off to Shady three straight times from the SD 14 yard line would have gotten us a first down at the SD 4 and then after that of course do what it takes to score the TD with over a minute remaining and 3 Timeouts.
I was trying to bring up a scenario in where they wouldn't have gotten the first down on three straight Shady carries, and what I would do in that scenario. My badd, but the point of the matter is I would've called three different types of runs at that point and no passes (well, maybe a shovel pass would cross my mind)....
Quote from: GeneralZOD on September 17, 2013, 12:19:07 PM
At that particular time in the game the Birdz were rolling and I had no doubt that handing off to Shady three straight times from the SD 14 yard line would have gotten us a first down at the SD 4 and then after that of course do what it takes to score the TD with over a minute remaining and 3 Timeouts.
I was trying to bring up a scenario in where they wouldn't have gotten the first down on three straight Shady carries, and what I would do in that scenario. My badd, but the point of the matter is I would've called three different types of runs at that point and no passes (well, maybe a shovel pass would cross my mind)....
the second half they were passing the ball at will up and down the field...shady had like five yards rushing in the 2h on a handful of carries....they were not exactly in a run the ball down the defenses throat mode right there....they clearly saw the sd secondary as a obvious weakness and exploited the farg out of it...to all of sudden at that point do a 180 with the offense would have been a major mistake
thats not to say there werent valid issues with the clock management there but not running shady three times wasnt one of them imo
Quote from: hbionic on September 16, 2013, 11:43:58 PM
Hindsight, maybe they should milk clock....but I can't get mad at a guy who uses all his bullets looking for the end zone in what has worked all game. Play to win. You'll keep the pressure on the defense and play on your own terms. If you play scared, you already lost.
I'm good with it. If they score, we're all sucking each other's dicks.
If Chip has some NFL learning to do, let it be in situations like this rather than in important games or emotionally charged games. The team isn't great and will lose more games just like this over the course of the season. As far as losses go, this was fine. The offense is good, the defense is disgusting. That's exactly what they are and exactly what they showed in this game. They aren't winning the Super Bowl this season and they'd have to be damn lucky to make the playoffs, even though the division is shtein.
They lost going for the win, playing the game the way they know how. Without really approving of everything they tried, I'm not agonizing over the way it went down. We are at the beginning of watching a crazy offensive coach do a bunch of weird-ass shtein in the NFL. The team is entertaining as farg right now and I'm feeling pretty good about the Chip Kelly experiment even if it eventually crashes and burns really hard. The games are fun and no one will even remember this game next season. Best loss in a while.
Correct. This is something he'll fix and we'd rather see goofs like this in week 2 of a rookie coaches tenure rather than on Super Bowl Sunday or the NFCCG. Seeing Vick get in rhythm and a groove in the second half was truly encouraging. Pimp/Shady/TE's are going to excel in this offense.