one month from today first full squad practice
FAPPY!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2013, 10:38:57 AM
one month from today first full squad practicePhillies fire sale begins
FAPPY!
ten days until the chip kelly era starts
It began the moment he signed. We just get to see if it turns out to be a nightmare or wet dream starting in ten days.
nothing starts until you have full pads full contact and a full roster
the season begins at conception
And is usually aborted shortly after.
Quote from: hbionic on July 16, 2013, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 16, 2013, 01:04:44 PM
nothing starts until the season starts
training camp and preseason are important and often very interesting....but i dont think the eagles have ever had a camp as interesting as this one
Too bad few will actually get to see it.
true
will be interesting to see if the linc practices are legit or just staged with some weak walk thrus and basics
There's little hitting in practices anymore anyway, so really, who gives a flying farg? They've pussified practices to such an extent it's starting to show up in games. If I was in Philly I'd probably go just to see Chip's practice (such as it is at the Linc) but I wouldn't make a special trip or anything like I used to early in Reid's tenure.
I don't think Lurie, Smolenski and igy's homeboy Howie have been ripped enough for yanking camp outta Lehigh. A completely horseshtein move and they should be roasted continuously.
Quote from: Rome on July 16, 2013, 10:15:16 PM
There's little hitting in practices anymore anyway, so really, who gives a flying farg? They've pussified practices to such an extent it's starting to show up in games. If I was in Philly I'd probably go just to see Chip's practice (such as it is at the Linc) but I wouldn't make a special trip or anything like I used to early in Reid's tenure.
i agree
more concussions please. give me violence!
I need to see more fights, more guys refuse water and die of dehydration, and generally do stupid shtein for my brief amusement. If they're lucky, I'll buy a hat.
Quote from: Rome on July 16, 2013, 10:15:16 PM
There's little hitting in practices anymore anyway, so really, who gives a flying farg? They've pussified practices to such an extent it's starting to show up in games. If I was in Philly I'd probably go just to see Chip's practice (such as it is at the Linc) but I wouldn't make a special trip or anything like I used to early in Reid's tenure.
i dont care so much about the hitting....i wonder if the open practices will contain a lot of 11-11 even...or will it be five qb's simeultaneously dropping back and throwing to receivers running menial patterns...and sevens...and crap like that...we all know they are giving away the playbook...but id like to see packages and shtein....not just mostly drills
Early reports I've read from analysts like Jaws is that Kelly's short offense (running game/bubble screens etc.) will work fine but passing plays that stretch the field are going to be a problem. If all the experts who say how smart Chip is then this shouldn't be an issue. It's the opposite of Reid's pass long first and if that doesn't work just pass shorter.
IMO were going to see an NE style offense that relies heavily on the TEs and middle of the field plays that exploit guys like Welker. The layered running game will be fun to watch with a guy like Shady
is anyone going to any of the linc practices??
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
IMO were going to see an NE style offense that relies heavily on the TEs and middle of the field plays that exploit guys like Welker.
if this is true at all how does vick even make the team much less start....furthermore why did they even bring him back
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 21, 2013, 07:25:08 PM
is anyone going to any of the linc practices??
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/training-camp/open-practices.html
QuoteConcessions
• Concessions will be available inside the stadium. No alcoholic beverages will be sold
Nope
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 21, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
IMO were going to see an NE style offense that relies heavily on the TEs and middle of the field plays that exploit guys like Welker.
if this is true at all how does vick even make the team much less start....furthermore why did they even bring him back
No idea, I think he's a camp casualty who winds up catching on with a team like Buffalo.
Vick being on this team is reminiscent of Randall being on Rhodes' 1995 team. He was at the end of the line in Philly with a new coaching staff coming in and so is Ron Mexico. I can see why Kelly and Howie are giving him one last shot because this is a throwaway year for everyone, but the sooner Matt Barkley assumes command of this team, the better.
Quote from: SD on July 21, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 21, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
IMO were going to see an NE style offense that relies heavily on the TEs and middle of the field plays that exploit guys like Welker.
if this is true at all how does vick even make the team much less start....furthermore why did they even bring him back
No idea, I think he's a camp casualty who winds up catching on with a team like Buffalo.
i actually think he gets cut as well...but we are waaaaaay in the minority
barkley = bobby hoying
how sick would it be if within two months of each other the eagles drafted teddy bridgewater and the sixers andrew wiggins
my questions/interests going into camp
1. how bad are killa and graham going to be at olb?
2. can earl wolff win the job?
3. david king....this guy really intrigues me and is at a position that is begging for a surprise player to step up
4. who starts at RT in week 1?
5. will be looking for jordan poyer a lot
6. brad wing....this guy is an ultra talented potential probowler and could really be an upgrade as long as he checks himself becomes a professional and doesnt act a
fool
Well, there's no shortage of questions, that's certain.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2013, 07:53:15 AM
6. brad wing....this guy is an ultra talented potential probowler and could really be an upgrade as long as he checks himself becomes a professional and doesnt act a
fool
ut oh
wingnut to the non football injury disabled list
that didnt take long
Donnie Jones is going to win that punter job anyway, but I wanna see what Wing can do
My questions/interests:
1. I wanna see Barkley challenge for that starting spot. I don't think he's gonna be the guy in week 1, but he could be the guy in week 10
2. I wanna see Momah make the club as a 5th or 6th WR, but he's raw and I wanna see something resembling a receiver
3. Supposedly they're all healthy again, but I want to see how the OL comes together as a unit, especially Lane
4. Who's gonna win the other DE spot opposite Cox? Thornton? Geathers? King? Damion Square? Or do they need to get someone else through FA/trade?
5. Does killa make the club or do they trade him to a team that's running 4-3?
6. Can Kendricks handle moving inside, and is DeMeco gonna be an issue returning to the 3-4?
7. What do they really have at CB? Williams and Fletcher will start, but they're OK, not great. Can Boykin or Marsh challenge them?
8. They have 7 safeties, but at this point you could throw all their names into a hat and pick two to start. Someone's gotta step up
wingnut only failed the conditioning test.....still not a good way to start but at least he didnt go barrett robbins or some shtein
punter failing a conditioning test is pretty cute
you can tell there arent many players in camp right now.....i think every single beat writer in the delaware valley wrote a michael barmino story today
duce staley doesnt have a player coach, but he does a buffet to eat
That the most incoherent post ever posted this board besides manneans
"Show me this post."
Uh, no.
they did one hour of individual instruction today
fun and newsworthy
That was fun. Thanks.
rg3 will more than likely not play in the preseason....looking better and better for him not to play in week one
maybe he comes back too early for that game and some hero steps up and ends his career?
id rather have that of course....but i could never get that lucky....if he plays he will go off
i dont think he can go off that soon...him gimpy or even apprehensive is probably enough to beat this pos team
This isn't baseball. We don't know what we have yet. The presumption that this team is going to suck is equally as irrational as the positive preseason expectations of the past 2 years. This team still has tons of talent on offense. If the offensive line congeals the birds could easily compete for the division.
Quote from: MDS on July 23, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
i dont think he can go off that soon
sit on my knee and let me tell you a lil something about philadelphia sports
Quote from: Chameleon on July 24, 2013, 01:03:20 AM
This isn't baseball. We don't know what we have yet. The presumption that this team is going to suck is equally as irrational as the positive preseason expectations of the past 2 years. This team still has tons of talent on offense. If the offensive line congeals the birds could easily compete for the division.
i understand your optimism...most fans overrate their team in training camp...but the eagles could have the hogs in their prime as their offensive line and it wouldnt matter because they dont have a qb that will allow them to compete for the division (nor the defense which is a complete train wreck)
one of these things is not like the others.....
manning
griffin
romo
fickley
The Eagles are a bad football team at the very beginning of a full rebuild, and they have no QB. I think it has the potential to be an enjoyable season for the fans because there are so many new pieces and some of the new pieces are likely to show enough to make us excited for the future. Who exactly is going to step up, it's going to take the season to reveal.
If you're coming into the season with the expectation of competing for the division, you're setting yourself up to be let down. And this is the first season in a while that I can say it should be difficult to be let down by the team. It would take the free agents and draft picks all sucking, all the vets getting older and worse, and Chip and the new coaches all sucking too. If I'm not pining for Andy by December the season is a success.
you can actually make an argument that the other three teams in the division back up qb is better than whoever the eagles starter will be
Although the QB situation is a disaster, I think this offense is going to put up some points. I think the defense will be the real weakness in this team and we will rank in the bottom five at the end of the year. It will be an exciting year and I will probably be watching more closely than I have in years.
I don't know if it'll be exciting as much as I don't see myself becoming indifferent and apathetic towards this team by week 6, like I have in recent years. Eh, I guess that's exciting. YAY!
I'm approaching this year the same way I did 98 and 99.....I know they're going to be bad, maybe even terrible. But there's a few draft picks to be excited about watching, a new defensive scheme to watch, and of course a new head coach to overanalyze. I guess I'm approaching this year the same way a scout would go after a prospect. Not really concerned with wins and losses, I just want to see some potential at this point. When the regular season comes to an end, do I feel any better about the direction this team is heading in than I did at the same point 1 year prior?
wins and losses are crucial to me
clowney - teddy b or some other franchise type guy that could emerge is what you want
im not suggesting they tank....if they can make the playoffs im all for it.....but 7-9 or 6-10 would be worst fears realized
QuoteInevitably, Chip Kelly will stumble a time or two as he continues his transition from college to the pro game. Some lessons can only be learned through experience.
Longtime NFL reporter Sal Paolantonio believes that the former Oregon coach is on the verge of making his first notable mistake.
"Chip Kelly has to start getting this team solidified," said Paolantonio during an appearance on 97.5 The Fanatic. "You can't say in July, in the National Football League to professional football players who have been out there for months, that the depth chart is written in sand. It's just the wrong approach. It's a college approach. That's not the professional approach. It doesn't work.
"The quarterback situation is the most unsettled in the league. It can't happen like that. You don't have 90 guys you can plug in and out. You don't have guys that are interchangeable like that. There's a big dropoff between starters and substitutes in the NFL. You don't have the same dropoff in college. It's 'Welcome to the pros.' I think he's making a big mistake by stringing everybody along."
Kelly has stated on numerous occasions that all starting jobs are up for grabs and that there essentially is no depth chart yet. He restated his position on Tuesday.
That approach can be unsettling to some players. Michael Vick was hopeful that a starting QB would be named prior to camp, but didn't get his wish. DeSean Jackson – who found himself working with the second and third stringers for a time this spring — took it a step further, saying that "the team" wants to know who the starter is going to be. He later expanded on those comments.
"As far as myself, I don't really know what the team is OK with and not OK with," Jackson said. "At the end of the day, I don't know where it stands, who's going to be the starting quarterback. I wish I could know, but at the end of the day, that's the coach's decision, so I guess you have to play that how it goes."
Kelly held open competitions at Oregon, believing that it brought the best out in his players. Given his resume, that method was obviously successful for him in college. But does it work in the pros, where you're dealing with bigger egos, better competition and bigger talent gaps between starters and backups?
"There is a depth chart for a reason in football. You develop chemistry," said Paolantonio. "You've got a brother next to you you're going to fight with in the trenches. You've got to depend on that guy...If you don't name your starters and get them situated in the NFL especially, when you've got the grueling 16-game schedule — not 12 games, not practice three weeks, go play a college schedule — it's practice six weeks in the grueling hot sun at a high tempo and then play 16 games. Much different animal.
"You've got to start plugging in your starters. You've got to start letting them communicate with one another and develop chemistry. There's a reason why it's been done this way for 93 years. That's why it's done that way."
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2013, 09:28:53 AM
wins and losses are crucial to me
clowney - teddy b or some other franchise type guy that could emerge is what you want
im not suggesting they tank....if they can make the playoffs im all for it.....but 7-9 or 6-10 would be worst fears realized
Eh, if Chipper had them at 8-8, I'd consider that a step in the right direction. They'd probably benefit more in the long term going 4-12 again, but if he gets them 3 or 4 more wins than last year, then I'd feel a lot more confident about him going forward than I do now. At this point I'm more concerned with what they have right now than I am with what they could have next year.
0-17. Yes, they'll lose the bye week.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2013, 09:28:53 AM
wins and losses are crucial to me
clowney - teddy b or some other franchise type guy that could emerge is what you want
im not suggesting they tank....if they can make the playoffs im all for it.....but 7-9 or 6-10 would be worst fears realized
Eh, if Chipper had them at 8-8, I'd consider that a step in the right direction. They'd probably benefit more in the long term going 4-12 again, but if he gets them 3 or 4 more wins than last year, then I'd feel a lot more confident about him going forward than I do now. At this point I'm more concerned with what they have right now than I am with what they could have next year.
i dont that there are such things as "steps" in the nfl anymore....before free agency and the salary cap thats how it was...you build and slowly progress towards a title....now with so much parity it doesnt matter if you got four more wins than the year before....because the year after having four more wins you could just as easily have five less....this is especially true on a team that more than likely doesnt have their qb of the future on its roster...if michael vick is the qb this year and they win 7 or 8 games i wouldnt consider that a good thing....but if nick foles became some sort of revelation and they won four games id consider it a huge success
If Vick is the opening day starter, I go right back to total indifference.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
If Vick is the opening day starter, I go right back to total indifference.
Pretty much agree. I mean, what would be the point? The way Vick plays makes it even harder to even gauge how the rest of the team is actually progressing and performing. It's true everywhere, but particularly up front. And it's not like he has much of a future-- he's an injury-prone, short 33 year old QB whose game is predicated on the step that he's either lost or is about to lose.
Yup. There's absolutely no reason at all for him to start a single game unless Barkley and Foles are both injured or are just awful beyond belief. I don't even want him on the field with the 1st team offense in preseason.
Quote from: SD on July 21, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 21, 2013, 07:25:08 PM
is anyone going to any of the linc practices??
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/training-camp/open-practices.html
QuoteConcessions
• Concessions will be available inside the stadium. No alcoholic beverages will be sold
Nope
what the farg. i was planning on going up on sunday but now not so sure.
I think they'll win the games they don't lose or tie.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
If Vick is the opening day starter, I go right back to total indifference.
Maybe you and Dio could get together for some errands on game days?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2013, 09:28:53 AM
wins and losses are crucial to me
clowney - teddy b or some other franchise type guy that could emerge is what you want
im not suggesting they tank....if they can make the playoffs im all for it.....but 7-9 or 6-10 would be worst fears realized
If he gets them to 6 or 7 wins, he may be able to get them to buy in. If it is a dumpster fire 2-3 win season, he may lose the team.
Quote from: phillycrew on July 24, 2013, 02:07:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2013, 09:28:53 AM
wins and losses are crucial to me
clowney - teddy b or some other franchise type guy that could emerge is what you want
im not suggesting they tank....if they can make the playoffs im all for it.....but 7-9 or 6-10 would be worst fears realized
If he gets them to 6 or 7 wins, he may be able to get them to buy in. If it is a dumpster fire 2-3 win season, he may lose the team.
if he loses a team after one stinking season then he shouldnt be a coach in the nfl and a two win season would be preferred as that would hasten his departure from the league
in other words players are not going to judge the coach by a win total...hes going to be judged by his coaching persona, philosophies and command...in fact if hes completely inept and a douche then he might lose the team before they ever play a game....see steve spurrier....but if hes a competant leader and shows he has a command of the job they could win one game while he gains the respect of the team....see jimmy johnson
I am cautiously optimistic about Kelly at this point despite the history pointing against likelihood of success.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
If Vick is the opening day starter, I go right back to total indifference.
Pretty much the general consensus around here. The injured turnover machine show has gotten old.
there is absolutely nothing that could happen that would make me indifferent about this year.
vick, foles, barkley, farging jeff kemp...i'm excited for a new era to begin.
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
If Vick is the opening day starter, I go right back to total indifference.
Maybe you and Dio could get together for some errands on game days?
I'll be too busy critiquing DeSean Jackson's rap videos.
Quote from: SunMo on July 24, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
there is absolutely nothing that could happen that would make me indifferent about this year.
vick, foles, barkley, farging jeff kemp...i'm excited for a new era to begin.
I'm in this boat. Whatever dumb shtein happens will be entirely new shtein, and that's all I want.
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/chip-kellys-mystery-man/
cool stuff about the sports science guy Kelly brought with him
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2013, 07:09:17 AM
Quote from: Chameleon on July 24, 2013, 01:03:20 AM
This isn't baseball. We don't know what we have yet. The presumption that this team is going to suck is equally as irrational as the positive preseason expectations of the past 2 years. This team still has tons of talent on offense. If the offensive line congeals the birds could easily compete for the division.
i understand your optimism...most fans overrate their team in training camp...but the eagles could have the hogs in their prime as their offensive line and it wouldnt matter because they dont have a qb that will allow them to compete for the division (nor the defense which is a complete train wreck)
one of these things is not like the others.....
manning
griffin
romo
fickley
I'm going to go with Manning. 2x Super Bowl Champion, 2x Super Bowl MVP, unbeatable pedigree.
Andy Reid had no clue how to effectively use Vick. Before the bye last year the Eagles appeared to be the most talented team in the league even with a 3-3 record. Post bye everything fell into pieces. There is a new captain of the ship. He knows how to use a Quarterback with mobility. It's worth giving Vick one more go.
I don't think I am being overly optimistic. I'm just not saying: rabble, rabble, rabble, the eagles are going to suck.
Quote from: Chameleon on July 24, 2013, 05:25:09 PM
I don't think I am being overly optimistic. I'm just not saying: rabble, rabble, rabble, the eagles are going to suck.
theres a word for people who get upset at other people who predict that a zesty eagles team might suck
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2013, 04:44:01 PM
I'm in this boat. Whatever dumb shtein happens will be entirely new shtein, and that's all I want.
actually sounds like you are 100% indifferent......you just moved there from hatred so to you if probably feels like excitement
It could be, but I think there's more than a little excitement. Andy's gone, and that's a big fargin' win already. Until Chip spends ten years losing in the playoffs goes back to college football, there's a chance, however small, of this team eventually winning a superbowl.
Interesting way to teach the OL how to guard a 3-4
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP9ij8jCIAEDW9S.jpg)
Rome's boy clogging up the middle there
Those cans might be better than our starters. Might.
Chip on Angelo's show this morning (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/audio/953-angelo-cataldi-and-the-morning-team/chip-kelly/)
Smoothies, Bill Nye the science guy, numbered garbage cans, in Chip we trust!
I'd give it all up for one more season of skiers, banjo players, missionaries, and magicians.
I'm excited enough not to have cancelled my DTV season ticket after 17 years. So there's your litmus test.
(Ps was that photo of training camp or a still from a new schoolhouse rock video?)
(http://media.philly.com/images/526*395/072513_duce-chip_600.jpg)
Damn, Duce lost a shteinload of weight. Good for him.
meanwhile leon is getting laaaaaaaaaarger
Poty
listen to this ramble....its hilarious the whole way thru but especially so at the end when he calls it a mullett instead of a mulligan
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training-camps/0ap2000000220487/Irvin-Crazy-not-to-give-the-job-to-Vick
The whole argument that Vick should just be given the job is retarded. If Vick doesn't get the job it won't be due to Chip just benching him or getting rid of him on a whim. It'll be because one of the other guys looked better than or equivalent to Vick at a much lower cost. It would be "crazy" to start an old expensive known quantity on a team that isn't making a playoff push over a young guy who is cheaper and better. There's even an argument for starting someone else even if Vick blows the other guys out of the water in camp, but I think Chip will start the best QB whether it's Vick or not.
Every sane fan knows that Vick doesn't have much of a future with the team beyond this year, and every sane fan also knows they aren't winning the Super Bowl this year, so why the farg is it so important to establish Vick as the starting QB as soon as possible? So he can develop more chemistry with the rest of the team that is going 6-10 this season and he won't be on in 2014?
was that his argument?....i listened to that thing twice and didnt hear a word he was saying about anything....it was pretty much hilariously incoherent to me
Nah, he was incoherent. But I've heard the argument from others. Sal Pal was going on about it too, saying shtein like "this is the NFL, not college", cause the NFL names starters. Sal Pal thinks he knows how to coach in the NFL better than Chip does I guess.
on the surface i dont necessarily disagree with sal pals theory....i think there can certainly be positives to having a depth chart and it may even be the better way to do it....where he went off kilter was in making it a rant...saying that no one else in the history of the league has done this and implying that your team was somehow going to implode if you didnt do it that way
sal pal is a twat...irvin is there seriously a point in even bothering with him? he needs to go back to the mink coat stripper coke days.
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2013, 02:20:11 PM
sal pal is a twat.
Truth. And I only see him on ESPN.
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2013, 02:20:11 PM
irvin is there seriously a point in even bothering with him? he needs to go back to the mink coat stripper coke days.
im still over dying over him calling it a mullett instead of a mulligan
he said "what do we call it....a mullet?"....and look at his face when he says it...so funny
and thats besides the fact that there was no context to even use mulligan there....furthermore his reasoning is so off cause hes trying to say that vick was there when chip arrived and its not his guy....but either is foles
Why would any new coach implementing 2 brand new systems to a team that won 4 games last year automatically annoint a player a starting job?
What Chip is doing I feel is correct and Sal Pal is off here.
Some people are under the impression that Michael Vick is an elite superstar QB because there was a Michael Vick Experience commercial 10 years ago. The facts that it is now 2013 and that Vick was never an elite QB don't seem to have any bearing on their opinion of him. Michael Irvin seems like he might be one of those people.
irvin is boys with vick...hes just backing his people
hes not a serious analyst, or person, and what he says curries no weight or consequence. it is unintentionally funny though.
All three can die sucking on a giant dick.
I just saw my bat signal. Can I help you?
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2013, 05:07:17 PM
All three can die sucking on a giant dick.
haha
Maclin left practice on a cart today. Bowen said it looked serious
Sounds bad. Non-contact injury.
he was probably gone after this year anyway....time for damaris to step up
also 'good' news for cooper and benn....short of a hideous camp they are both on the roster now
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
also 'good' news for cooper and benn....short of a hideous camp they are both on the roster now
Benn's knee was injured yesterday. I haven't heard any more since then.
they have 6000 tight ends...do they really need a middle of the pack receiver? #chippers
The team says it's Maclin's right knee, still being evaluated. An NJ.com guy is saying Maclin himself thought it was his ACL.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 27, 2013, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
also 'good' news for cooper and benn....short of a hideous camp they are both on the roster now
Benn's knee was injured yesterday. I haven't heard any more since then.
From the end of the blurb about Maclin going down (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/maclin-carted-apparent-leg-injury):
QuoteBenn and Cunningham were already out of practice after suffering minor injuries in Friday's practice that rendered each one day-to-day.
Birds just signed David Bell WR from New Hampshire to the 90 day roster. Maclin's days in Eagles green are over.
Too bad. I always liked Maclin.
Same here. He's been one of my favorite players over the last 4 or 5 years. Always produced well on the field, though durability has always been an issue with him and he's only played a full 16 game season once in his career.
He's a farging Hoyda
Quote from: SD on July 27, 2013, 03:44:42 PM
Birds just signed David Bell WR from New Hampshire to the 90 day roster.
is this the start of chippers version of andys mormon mafia
official: torn acl out for year
brandon lloyd come on down
As a UNH grad I for one am ecstatic at the David Bell signing. Never heard of him until three minutes ago but none the less I am tickled.
Ouch.
:igybatsignal
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Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane25s
Like what I see out of Bennie Logan. Moves well for 310 pounds.
theres nothing more i would like than to be wrong on bennie
but i think one training camp matt mccoy was making plays all over the field
hank baskett was a camp superstar.
farging sucks about Maclin, one of the best players on the team and camp has just started. My expectations for this team just dropped a lot, and they weren't that high to start with.
Just means they'll use the tight ends more and run the ball with more urgency. Maclin's a big loss, though. But it's not a season killer by any means especially considering they're not winning anything anyway.
Quote from: shorebird on July 28, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
My expectations for this team just dropped a lot
mack was worth approximately .00000000002 wins this season
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2013, 06:12:29 PM
Just means they'll use the tight ends more and run the ball with more urgency. Maclin's a big loss, though. But it's not a season killer by any means especially considering they're not winning anything anyway.
True.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: shorebird on July 28, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
My expectations for this team just dropped a lot
mack was worth approximately .00000000002 wins this season
He was the second best offensive player on the team next to Shady. When healthy that is. But troll away igor.
can you give me their record before and after the mack inury?
no doubt maclin has some skills and can get open, but we have no idea if maclins injury is a big blow or not because we have no idea what kind of system chip is going to run on a weekly basis and who will be the focal points each week
all we know is reids system-- and jackson ran deep with maclin as the beneficiary underneath. if they can find another possession receiver (big if) that can step up and has some decent hands it might not be that big of a loss as we are anticipating, esp considering the fact that the ball is supposed to be spread out all over the place
eagles o/u wins before mack injury 7
eagles o/u wins after mack injury 6.99999999999
shady
peters
pimp
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maclin
peters >
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 06:52:56 PM
eagles o/u wins before mack injury 7
eagles o/u wins after mack injury 6.99999999999
Is that the Vegas line? If so I'll take the under. I think they win 5 games this season, 6 max. The D is going to be laughable.
This season is whatever but I'd like to see them sign a guy like Lloyd. They may stink but at least they can be entertaining while they do so, plus he already knows the spread offense.
yeah its 7 and i agree its way under...in fact i have already bet a unit on that
Lloyd is not needed. Let them fill the void from within. See what they have in the young guys.
I'd go over 7.
Under.
Bigtime under. This team currently sucks and has no quarterback. Get me six wins + some young players that can actually play + firm evidence that Chip knows what he's doing, and I'll be super happy about the season.
are they making the playoffs j?
I don't know. Probably not. But too early to call
waiting for the second round of free agency?
No. For the preseason to be over.
I think Chip's offense may do some good. It comes down to the defense.
9 games could win this division
Exactly. Which is why I'm not writing them off.
something tells me you wouldnt write them off if their team plane was sucked up by the sharknado
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
9 games could win this division
That's about 4 more than the Eagles will get.
I really don't think they're gnna be that bad with Chip's offense and the oline in tact. The defense will be what keeps them from being a playoff team, but 7-8 wins isn't something that would be at all surprising for this team, IMO.
farg 7-8. It's the same as 0-16 to me. It's almost worse. It says you suck, and that you suck at sucking. You can't even be the best sucker.
If you look at all the teams that were real bad in 2011 and managed to quickly turn it around in 2012, it's obvious what the Eagles have to do this year. Either get Andrew Luck, get RGIII, or bring back Adrian Peterson off of IR and get an MVP season out of him. If Howie and Chip can pull any of those things off I think the Eagles have a great shot to have a winning season.
Barring any of those things, no team with 6 or less wins in 2011 managed to win more than 7 in 2012.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 11:27:28 PM
something tells me you wouldnt write them off if their team plane was sucked up by the sharknado
Lolz
Jason Phillips carted in with a knee injury
Uh...was I supposed to know who that was? IGY let me know how crappy a fan I am for not knowing and/or forgetting who he was.
the special teams / backup LB from the Panthers. Shady said he's done for the year then retracted it
Thanks Ed. Still doesn't ring a bell. :-D I do remember something faintly about a Panther though.
shady is lesean mccoy, their starting running back....does that ring a bell now?
Geez, I guess these guys aren't drinking their super-science-smoothies right.
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2013, 04:20:52 PM
shady is lesean mccoy, their starting running back....does that ring a bell now?
Haha, sure, I'm not falling for that one. :paranoid
the white guy with flowing shoulder length hair who led the nfl in special teams tackles started a bunch of games at safety and had the non descript very forgettable name of colt anderson the montana missle was the player you never knew was on the eagles
tickets (and bags) showed up in the mail today. pretty dope. black and white action shots with the fight song lyrics on them.
actually they're not totally black and white. just a dark filter on them.
so Riley Cooper is a racist piece of shtein (surprise?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-dEQxO8Yuas
errrrrr....career over
before that happens tho maybe he can fight jason peters
Quote from: phattymatty on July 31, 2013, 03:57:01 PM
tickets (and bags) showed up in the mail today. pretty dope. black and white action shots with the fight song lyrics on them.
actually they're not totally black and white. just a dark filter on them.
also, maclin's on the cover. probably not a good sign.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
errrrrr....career over
pretty much. amazing to me that eevn if you grew up some bumfarg hick which i assume he did, you'd think after being around 90% black dudes your whole career your attitude would change.
That didn't take long.
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Nice work. I laughed.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 31, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
errrrrr....career over
pretty much. amazing to me that eevn if you grew up some bumfarg hick which i assume he did, you'd think after being around 90% black dudes your whole career your attitude would change.
That's what I don't get. If you're racist, then why the farg would you choose a profession that is dominated by brothas? Shouldn't he be playing hockey or cricket?
He said he was sorry on Twitter, so it's like it never happened, right?
I don't have the twitter but he made no such apology on facebook, so it's still real to me, damnit!
Adam Shefter has your FB needs covered, bro: Riley Cooper statement on his inappropriate language: "I am so ashamed and disgusted with myself. I want to apologize. I have been offensive. I have apologized to my coach, to Jeffrey Lurie, to Howie Roseman and to my teammates. I owe an apology to the fans and to this community. I am so ashamed, but there are no excuses. What I did was wrong and I will accept the consequences."
Lets see if he gets a pass because he's a white athlete in a predominantly black league, and the fact that the n word is used so much around him by his teammates on the field, in locker room or wherever.
Problem is he used the word in an angry manner ready to fight someone so it might not sit well with the team and league.
He's only disgusted because he was caught. Im pretty sure this wasnt the first time he used that word.
Evidently, he is meeting with the media at Novacare tonight...who cares, cut his ass.
Better apology than most I've seen lately. Ryan Braun should take note.
That said, we'll see if it can even begin to undo the damage he's done by his inappropriate language. I'm sure he'll get a few additional hits in practice for awhile, at minimum.
Looks to me like he was standing his ground.
Oh yeah. IDIOT.
This re-cements my knowledge that athletes are farging idiots...and it seems like the dumber ones like to migrate to Philly for some reason.
If he wants to get out if this even a little bit he might need some of his teammates to step up to the mic.
He grew up in Clearwater, about an hour drive from...
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Quote from: phattymatty on July 31, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
errrrrr....career over
pretty much. amazing to me that eevn if you grew up some bumfarg hick which i assume he did, you'd think after being around 90% black dudes your whole career your attitude would change.
hes def one of those guys who likes black people but cant stand stillupfronts.....sort of like dio....like I guarantee he calls pimp a stillupfront all the time when hes with his boys....but says jason avant is a really cool dood
You're calling me a racist now?
Just consider it a badge of honor. Oh and anyone of my generation who says they haven't said stillupfront or told a racist joke or laughed at one is either a liar or the savior Todd's people have been waiting for.
Quote from: hbionic on July 31, 2013, 05:11:47 PM
Looks to me like he was standing his ground.
Hahahaha
If his dumb ass wants to fight, I'm sure there are some defensive players ready to lay him out. What an idiot. To say something stupid like jumping a fence to fight people is stupid enough, then to use the N word takes it to another level of idiocy.
Cut him and be done with him.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 01, 2013, 06:11:12 AM
You're calling me a racist now?
not at all....you stereotype a lot...and put a certain kind of black person in a box...if they are loud or cocky or rock ice rap ect...but you def arent racist...pre conceived notions id call it....we all have them
Quote from: Rome on August 01, 2013, 07:41:02 AM
Oh and anyone of my generation who says they haven't said stillupfront or told a racist joke or laughed at one is either a liar or the savior Todd's people have been waiting for.
i one billion percent have never uttered that word unless i was singing along to a rap song
also racist jokes arent funny....jokes about race can be hilarious tho...but who the hell would laugh at a racist joke??...remember romey its all about intent
and lol at comparing a moment of true anger and hatred with telling a racist joke
Quote from: SunMo on August 01, 2013, 08:26:48 AM
and lol at comparing a moment of true anger and hatred with telling a racist joke
yeah i didnt feel like getting into how horrible of an analogy it was
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2013, 08:23:55 AM
i one billion percent have never uttered that word unless i was singing along to a rap song
Hahaha! For Christ sakes, you obviously have no idea how farging dumb that sounds. Even if singing it, your using it in the same context as the writer. It's no different than someone white using the excuse that black people say it all the time in rap songs.
Then there's the fact that your stupid for listening to rap in the first place. Especially the kind that you rap, not sing, dumbass, the N word too.
Quote from: shorebird on August 01, 2013, 08:32:35 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2013, 08:23:55 AM
i one billion percent have never uttered that word unless i was singing along to a rap song
Hahaha! For Christ sakes, you obviously have no idea how farging dumb that sounds. Even if singing it, your using it in the same context as the writer. It's no different than someone white using the excuse that black people say it all the time in rap songs.
clueless elder says things...what on gods earth are you even saying....i honestly dont understand
if you are repeating someone elses words of course you are using it in the same context as the person who originally wrote it
if you are reading a book that has the n word in it are you supposed to skip over it?
or are you someone who thinks its ok for mark twain to use it but not for lil wayne
is this an old white guy hates rap thing?
Quote from: shorebird on August 01, 2013, 08:32:35 AM
Then there's the fact that your stupid for listening to rap in the first place. Especially the kind that you rap, not sing, dumbass, the N word too.
theres my boy
solid edit id say
your reaching igor.
Your actually not much better than Paula Dean. You'll sit in your house rapping the N word over and over, and then jump on your soap box when a white person says it. All because, and this is good, I've never said that word ever unless I was singing along with a rap song.
farging dumbass.
oh good lord
When did you start being religious?
so profound, it needed to be posted twice.
you are not allowed to call me a farging dumbass until you stop saying 'your' in place of 'youre'
You are not allowed to correct grammar...ever.
So...igor sings along to rap songs. I don't listen to much of it, but even an old white guy can see how stupid that is. Most all the songs he's singing along with have prevalent use of the N word. But it's alright, really, it's ok, because he's never, ever in his whole life actually spoken the N word.
So dumb it's funny. Like a Jim Carey movie.
Dude. Who are you even talking to?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2013, 09:28:19 AM
Dude. Who are you even talking to?
Me. I was waiting breathlessly for shore's take on race relations and rap.
Carry on.
shame on a BLEEP.....who try to run game on a BLEEP
This is how all white people should sing along with their favorite rappers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlDBi0cyIA
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2013, 09:51:53 AM
shame on a BLEEP.....who try to run game on a BLEEP
Black people (well, Wu Tang) let Serj Tankian say stillupfront's mom....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV7unXHZagM
they shouldn't have let him do that song at all.
Munson loves him some Serj...
IGY correcting grammar and spelling is like...
i never do and i could really care less (obviously)...and i even welcome people calling me a farging dumbass as its often true
but the irony of calling me a dumbass while he was having trouble stringing together sentences thru a budweiser fueled rage was too much to overlook
Couldn't. Couldn't care less.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
but the irony of calling me a dumbass while he was having trouble stringing together sentences thru a budweiser fueled rage was too much to overlook
This made me laugh.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
i never do and i could really care less (obviously)...and i even welcome people calling me a farging dumbass as its often true
but the irony of calling me a dumbass while he was having trouble stringing together sentences thru a budweiser fueled rage was too much to overlook
Amazing how you know I drink Budweiser. What's really too much to overlook though, is the thought of you sitting home
singing rap music while claiming to never having said the N word.
Here is an opinion, you don't sing rap music. You rap it. That's if you can even call it music.
Quote from: shorebird on August 01, 2013, 01:53:28 PM
Amazing how you know I drink Budweiser.
really not
that amazing
I'll have to drink mass quantities to watch this team this year, man...they're going to suck.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2013, 09:28:19 AM
Dude. Who are you even talking to?
Russell ended a sentence with a farging preposition.
GET HIM!
I love it how shore gets caught up on the most insignificant details (sing vs rap) as his absolute last ditch effort to try and save face.
Quote from: shorebird on August 01, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
I'll have to drink mass quantities to watch this team this year, man...they're going to suck.
Last year was the year to get blitzed while watching them. This is a year to try and remain somewhat sober.....or just less wasted....because as bad as the team might be, I'll be looking for any reason to have hope for the future.
Quote from: Rome on August 01, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2013, 09:28:19 AM
Dude. Who are you even talking to?
Russell ended a sentence with a farging preposition.
GET HIM!
Let's lynch him. Where he at?
He'll be along.
I'll fight every one of you...dboys.
lost in all of this riley cooper garbage is the fact chip kelly is teaching half tackling to a group of non tacklers.
guess it's progress.
So when does Flyers camp open again?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 01, 2013, 02:03:36 PM
I love it how shore gets caught up on the most insignificant details (sing vs rap) as his absolute last ditch effort to try and save face.
Caught up? Hardly. Trying to make a point but as usual it's missed by all the igor ass kissers. Singing vs rapping was just a little detail.
Matt Barkley not finding the wide-open competition for starting QB that he hoped. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Barkley-finds-competition-more-theory-than-practice.html)
Relax Matt. The mental midget won't make it to week 4. Foles blows and you'll be starting by week 10.
ha
probably best that way anyway. Andy is no longer here to turn Foles into a 2nd.
an eagles edition of peter kings mmqb
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/05/riley-cooper-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/
Didn't realize King had enough juice to get his own fake Grantland mini-site now.
Peter King being an obnoxious ass and talking about Riley Cooper? I can't click that link fast enough!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2013, 10:28:59 AM
an eagles edition of peter kings mmqb
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/05/riley-cooper-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/
I'm a fan of this:
QuoteOne more piece of misinformation out there: The Chip Kelly offense is going to be great for the quarterbacks, not so great for the runners. In the last two seasons at Oregon, the Ducks ran on 64.7% of the offensive snaps (2012) and 62% (2011)
Andy Reid would have a heart attack if he read those stats.
FYI for out of towners
the eagles game is on the nfl network friday LIVE
Gracias.
I'll set to record.
Supposedly Kenny Phillips looks like complete shtein.
Over/Under on the D rank this season, I'll set the number at 30
Under.
They're not going to be good but they won't be in the bottom.
Boykin is having a solid camp. If Bradley Fletcher plays well they could have a nice corner trio.
Allen and Chung are listed as the starting safeties.
If you read Phillips' comments he's pretty sure he'll be the starter.
30 sounds about right to me. A lot of change in scheme, plus a lot of inappropriate and/or undertalented personnel. I wouldn't be too alarmed by that result if I see some improvement over the course of the season. That's what this year is all about, building up from the bottom.
And Cooper is still listed as the starting WR so let's not take the depth chart too seriously quite yet.
PS:
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lol - they really are about as third rate as it gets.
All media guides have pronunciation guides...it's for the broadcasters.
Yeah. No. It's for the white people.
The third rateness only comes in because Celek is listed twice.
Quote from: Rome on August 05, 2013, 08:52:27 PM
Yeah. No. It's for the white people.
how drunk are you
I'm all for criticizing the Eagles but attacking the pronunciation guide is kinda low even for this site. Rome needs to beat off to some 50 year old cougar pics and come back to CF a calmer man.
Oh farg that's funny :-D
Rome, the first round of beers is on me.
Quote from: Rome on August 05, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
And Cooper is still listed as the starting WR so let's not take the depth chart too seriously quite yet.
i wouldnt take it seriously because no one on the entire team has tackled or been tackled yet
these days romey defends racists and attacks proper speech.......whats happened to punny happy go lucky romey....i miss him
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2013, 08:11:15 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 05, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
And Cooper is still listed as the starting WR so let's not take the depth chart too seriously quite yet.
i wouldnt take it seriously because no one on the entire team has tackled or been tackled yet
Riley Cooper threatened to, does that count?
at least he has some fight in him
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2013, 08:13:06 AM
these days romey defends racists and attacks proper speech.......whats happened to punny happy go lucky romey....i miss him
All is not lost. I havent started mocking you for singing rap tunes.
There goes Arrelious Benn-torn ACL
Chip better ease up on the tackling.
Cooper just slow clapped
QuoteThere are now 88 players on the Eagles roster, including nine healthy wide receivers.
C'mom Greg Salas!
Benn: "You know why? Because of the kids. They called me Mr. Glass!"
:-D
Foles had the lead for most of training camp but the last week or so Vick has come on strong. If I were a betting man I think Vick gets the start on Friday.
Supposedly Chris Polk dropped 15 lbs. and is getting reps as the 2nd running back ahead of Brown.
already been reported vick is starting
as for the backs not only is polk supposedly playing out of his mind but bb literally cant catch the ball....ive seen 10 or more reports during camp of him dropping a pass
More injuries today. Russel Sheppard and Damaris Johnson went down with hamstrings and Cary Williams too.
You know what helps prevent hamstring injuries? Showing up to OTAs.
Sheppard and Johnson missed OTAs too?
I hope someone signs Brandon Lloyd soon so I can stop reading questions about him to beat writers on twitter
They should sign him, he knows the spread offense and is better than what they have. I don't even care about the win/loss factor I just want to be entertained.
Nah farg a washed up rental.
Let the young bucks get their run.
you might reverse that statement when they're 3 and outing all day and averaging 6 points a game
Washed up?
2012: 74/911/4
Even if he takes a step down, I'm feeling much better about him than the "young bucks" on this team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
Nah farg a washed up rental.
Let the young bucks get their run.
What young bucks?
Damaris Johnson is meh. Riley Cooper is lol. There's the 6'7 guy nobody wanted. Shepard is most likely a training camp hero ala Hank Baskett/Na Brown. The one guy I was semi excited about was Benn and he's done for the season.
Lloyd is hardly washed up, dook caught over 70 passes last season.
And 70 the year before that, with two different teams in 15 games.
And the year before that, 77 rec, 1450 yards and 11 TDs.
Sure, he's 32 going on...wait for it....33...but so farging what. He's available and an immediate starter.
the young bucks had their run and they all broke their legs
phreak wants teddy bridgewater
Brandon Lloyd has no team right now...why is that? Obviously because of a reason not known to us. Plenty of other receiver needy teams who will be good that need someone. Namely the team that let him go...New England.
How many teams has he played for? He doesn't stick anywhere. Why is that?
Damaris is young - let him develop. Let Sheppard get some time. Let Momah see if he can hone his skills. The farg is Lloyd gonna do on a team that's going nowhere other than take snaps away from developing guys?
And plus...they're going to run a lot and throw to TEs.
No one is suggesting Lloyd is the Answer for the Eagles at WR. He's a stopgap, one year guy who can produce. Fine with me.
Of course, it's also fine with me if they stick with the scrubs and suck it up because I'm going to enjoy the Eagles without Andy Reid no matter how farging bad they are.
Get Lloyd...he's mos def The Answer for the Eagles at WR.
6 teams in 10 years
im sure thats just a coincidence
There is absolutely nothing to be gained by signing Lloyd. He wouldn't be a long term option. He wouldn't be filling a need or providing depth for a SB contender. If anything, he can do way more harm than he can good by maybe contributing to an extra win or 2 that the Eagles wouldn't have without him.
Right now they just need to add a WR or 2 for camp bodies to take reps so that Pimp, Avant, Johnson and KKKooper don't shred their knees. Then they can start scavenging some young guys who get cut during pre-season.....maybe grab someone they think might have a shot at being a contributor on the team for a few years.
Also, wtf is up with the turf over at NovaCare? Did they re-sod it with leftover scraps from the Vet?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 08, 2013, 07:12:09 AM
Also, wtf is up with the turf over at NovaCare? Did they re-sod it with leftover scraps from the Vet?
thats what we were wondering when we went down. the turf looked like shtein. but hey lurie is enjoying the money that the taylor swift concert bought in so ...
j is right....brandon lloyd is a POS.....his horrible attitude and locker room killing persona might fly on a veteran superbowl contending team with a strong willed respected head coach who just lost a top WR
and the 49ers still havent signed him
this team is winning about 3 games this year....the biggest decision in franchise history might happen next april when they have to choose btwn teddy b and JC
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2013, 08:12:08 AM
j is right....brandon lloyd is a POS.....his horrible attitude and locker room killing persona might fly on a veteran superbowl contending team with a strong willed respected head coach who just lost a top WR
and the 49ers still havent signed him
this team is winning about 3 games this year....the biggest decision in franchise history might happen next april when they have to choose btwn teddy b and JC
[warning: Spoiler Alert for Eagles future]
For this team, zero chance that happens
i think they have a great shot
i have them looking at about 3 wins....give or take
I'm looking at about 4 wins too, probably in the last 4 weeks, just enough to move them out of one of the top 2 spots.
Not surprising.
Tom Brady has "feasted" on Philadelphia's defense during Patriots-Eagles joint practices this week.
CSN Philly calls the Eagles' defense "fresh meat," as Brady has dominated with "several touchdowns" and "long stretches without an incompletion." Per Eagles (not Patriots) beat writer John Gonzalez, Brady's connection with Danny Amendola had "people talking after practice." Observed Eagles cornerback Brandon Boykin, "[Brady] makes all of your mistakes show, basically. There's no room for error. He's putting the ball on the money each and every time."
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/tom-brady-preys-eagles-secondary-practice
i for one am shocked that tom brady was impressive in a 7 on 7 no pass rush no contact scenario against the eagles secondary
BREAKING: tom brady is pretty good and the eagles secondary is going to be all time bad
Fire Chip!
Can you tell me who Teddy B or JC are? This way, I can start hating the Eagles early for not being able to get them.
Thanks.
anyone of you season ticket holders ever use the NFL Ticket Exchange thingy on the eagles website?
i put up next week's Panthers tix for $90/each just for shteins and giggles, and someone bought them within 10 minutes.
craziness. what kind of idiot would do that.
Quote from: hbionic on August 08, 2013, 02:18:53 PM
Can you tell me who Teddy B or JC are? This way, I can start hating the Eagles early for not being able to get them.
Thanks.
Teddy Bridgewater - QB Lousiville (BEAST)
Jadeveon Clowney - DE South Carolina (let us pray, pray real hard)
Quote from: phattymatty on August 08, 2013, 02:44:34 PM
craziness. what kind of idiot would do that.
South Jerz in the house. Either that or some schmo living somewhere between Phoenixville and Pottstown.
Hey hey leave phoenixville outta this buddy
You bought the tix, didn't you Jay?
http://www.tddaily.com/nfl/lesean-mccoy-xxl-interview-shady-records-philadelphia-eagles-mmg/
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 09, 2013, 08:57:58 AM
You bought the tix, didn't you Jay?
Haha no way. Someone would have to pay me to go watch preseason football in person.
ill pay you 50 cent
matt... i used it for the playoff tickets a couple of years ago and the tickets were gone in a couple hours after the listing hit.
i priced them right, but still, i made 100 bucks on each ticket which ain't bad. people be crazy.
lololololol
season's over
They're gonna be real bad, and I'm not mad at all.
tom brady is on fire already!
C'mon, McDougle!
jim washburn is cackling and rolling a blunt right now
run it right down their farging throats.
i can honestly say i had no idea laggarret blount was on the pats
get used to this
when chipper was hired i set the o/u on him being in the nfl at 36 months.....that drive has me leaning under
i'm more interested in finding out where scott graham got the new coconut fuzz on his head than anything else.
seriously, it looks like a wisconsin squirrel.
chip already thinking of which sec team he can take over in december. hey if georgia struggles this year...
The new Philadelphia Eagles. Same as it ever was.
When everything else sucks, Jason Avant is there to just be kinda good.
Also that Jackson kid might have a future.
pimp
great throw from vick
so it looks like we're gonna see a shteinload of 42-37 games. can't say i'd be all that upset at that.
yeah but can he go over the middle
SUPER. BOWL. You heard it here first.
And this will be the last drive for Brady.
holy shtein baldy is out of control....he just said the reason the patriots offense was so good last year is because of what chip Kelley taight tom brady and beill belichek
no, he didn't. what he said was the reason they ran 100 more plays than anyone else is because of what chippa taught them.
deeeeeeeeeeee-fense!
id say around the bye week people are going to be wanting juanny back as DC
did they keep todd bowels as the dc?
so is foles coming in now or what?
where easy at? we need the 4-1-1 damn it!
Quote from: Rome on August 09, 2013, 07:55:30 PM
no, he didn't. what he said was the reason they ran 100 more plays than anyone else is because of what chippa taught them.
yes he did.....I have it on dvr....he also said what you said which is also ludicrous....chipper taught brady and belichek absolutely nothing and to insinuate like baldy did that the pats offense sucked until last season when chipper taught them how to run one is unreal
it's nice that chippa "handled" that preseason replay decision with poise.[/baldy]
Quote from: Rome on August 09, 2013, 07:58:46 PM
so is foles coming in now or what?
where easy at? we need the 4-1-1 damn it!
I cant imagine he would....you take out your starter after a series or two when hes clear cut....this is a battle going on btwn vick and foles...I think each get at least a quarter
Boooo!
Well, Cooper survived his first catch.
I want to see how many times they have to run on this 99 yard TD drive.
Hey, now the defense can give up 99 yards for the next Patriot touchdown! :D
the good news for this season is i'm going to drink a lot earlier than usual before games because there's no way i'm watching this bullshtein sober.
Good thing they've got that Brady guy, huh?
good thing the eagles defense wont have to face starting quarterbacks in the regular season....errrrr
clearly a fumble
patriots on pace for 40 first downs
Boy oh boy the no tackling training camp sure is paying off!!
Especially for a team THAT COULD NOT TACKLE LAST YEAR
this eagles coaching staff might go down as their worst ever....and thats saying something
its just embarrassing
Hey look Ma! Brent Celek drops a ball...shocking.
See Vick, that's how you do that.
ive thought for a while now that celek is not making the team...the wr injuries may have saved him tho
I like running backs.
farg all these nerd eagle beat reporters....bryce brown is on another level than polk....its not close
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
farg all these nerd eagle beat reporters....bryce brown is on another level than polk....its not close
Polk has looked good but yeah...BB is fast, quick and will run dudes over. Lets just hope his fumbles don't reappear.
Speaking of ball security...lets go back to Celek. With Ertz and Casey in town he better pick it up or else they'll dump his ass.
Scouts from KC in the house...Celek to KC for a pick or a fat farg NT type
THEY LEARNED IT FROM CHIP KELLY!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
farg all these nerd eagle beat reporters....bryce brown is on another level than polk....its not close
Polk has looked good but yeah
polk looked horrible....slow no burst whatsoever...bleh
speaking of bleh im so over jamar chaney....bye bye....that angle he took there was disgusting
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
farg all these nerd eagle beat reporters....bryce brown is on another level than polk....its not close
goddamn skippy.
brown's a beast.
Quote from: Rome on August 09, 2013, 08:35:01 PM
THEY LEARNED IT FROM CHIP KELLY!
lol
if only belly and brady had met chip 12 or 13 years ago....imagine how sick they would have been
My boy Bennie Logan making a nice play.
Btw...agreed on Jamar Chaney. Thought he would be good after his rookie year. Not so much
brown was dropping everything thrown to him the last week
the farg they sposda do
Boykin = best CB
Vinny Curry rulez 2nd teemerz!!
practice?
we talkin practice?!?
Quote from: MDS on August 09, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
brown was dropping everything thrown to him the last week
the farg they sposda do
had nothing to do with brown....they pimped the farg out polk continuously saying how amazing he looked and that he was quick as lightning cause he lost weight....mind you this is in a no pads no tackling practice....but yeah chris polk has lapped bryce brown....polk is vanilla personified...bryce brown has a chance to be special
farging non football knowing clown nerds
Howie joining the booth in the 3rd quarter. Get ready for some in-depth football knowledge.
Good to see Barkley come out and silence the critics about his arm strength on his 1st throw.
team just lost its magic
zach jerks
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 08:45:50 PM
Howie joining the booth in the 3rd quarter. Get ready for some in-depth football knowledge.
Runyon at HT and Howie in the 3rd? Too good to be true!
this defense sucks donkey cock
Embarrassing
the backups are almost as pathetic as the starters.
Which scrub is wearing 55 right now?
first boos of the season
This defense could be historically bad.
Still think this isn't a bottom of the barrel D, Phreak? Still loving the ranked 30 prediction.
Lagarrette Blount with the Sega-era Madden TD run
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
first boos of the season
understandable there. that looked like a chinese fire drill being run by jerry's kids.
barkley is accurate but all the concerns about arm strength are showing themselves
winger!
"A terrific guy to boo."
im open to suggestions as to why julian edelman is still returning punts in this game
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
im open to suggestions as to why julian edelman is still returning punts in this game
Because he won't get a chance to do it in the regular season.
how is felix jones on this team? also - how the farg has he fallen from cowboys starter to fourth string on a 4-12 team?
hard to believe that brady had as many incomplete passes as completed ones
is there a better twitter name in circulation than baldys
Pretty sure Barkley can stop pretending that he's in the QB competition. Not that I'm all that concerned about him. He looks like 90% of rookie QBs out there.
twitter should be placed in a barrel of nuclear waste and buried in the center of the earth.
Can we get a goddam defense that isn't a complete embarrassment?
Ah, Tebow. A good way to end the half and feel better about the Eagles.
In the fourth quarter we should find out whether Tebow would be the fourth, fifth, or sixth-best QB on the Eagles.
god must have been busy on that drive...sorry tebow
That was a nice return, and I'm an icehole for thinking the punter should get flagged for his tackle.
felix
Quote from: Zanshin on August 09, 2013, 09:00:30 PM
Can we get a goddam defense that isn't a complete embarrassment?
still 4-6 years away....need to clean this coaching staff out first and foremost
god i love that little guy....look at that little megget go
barkleys arm is borderline embarassing
Cut Celek.
Barkley's arm is farging weak.
Maybe that 30th D rank prediction wasn't too far off?
Brent Celek bad snap!
Curry seems like the only defensive player on the field. It's like 11 on 1.
Quote@FieldYates: 37 offensive snaps for the Eagles in the first half. 35 from shotgun, 32 with no pre-snap shifts/motions, 23 from no huddle. 8 drives total.
ear plugs in
lol howie acting like he just got the job...starting anew...OK
this is really uncomfortable right now
I'd just like to have a GM whose voice sounds like he made it through puberty.
howie and baldy talking about how great the draft was the patriots run the ball down the eagles throats
and now howie reminds everyone "this is us starting" even though hes been the gm for like 3 years
Yeah I liked his pretending that his defense wasn't getting sliced up. Atta boy, Howie!
prolonged view of the wind turbines....SD just exploded
Just offering this up to SD for his avatar:
(http://birdpondsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/marcduchamp6.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Yeah I liked his pretending that his defense wasn't getting sliced up. Atta boy, Howie!
prolonged view of the wind turbines....SD just exploded
How awful is their franchise right now...wind turbines... Howie roseman...zesty uniforms.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 09:37:39 PM
Just offering this up to SD for his avatar:
(http://birdpondsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/marcduchamp6.jpg)
Haha
Quote from: SD on August 09, 2013, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Yeah I liked his pretending that his defense wasn't getting sliced up. Atta boy, Howie!
prolonged view of the wind turbines....SD just exploded
How awful is their franchise right now...wind turbines... Howie roseman...zesty uniforms.
Don't forget they hired a farging sabremetrician too
Quote from: SD on August 09, 2013, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Yeah I liked his pretending that his defense wasn't getting sliced up. Atta boy, Howie!
prolonged view of the wind turbines....SD just exploded
How awful is their franchise right now...wind turbines... Howie roseman...zesty uniforms.
Women cheerleaders.
I particularly loved them talking about how all the guys they drafted were solid workmanlike give full effort character locker room guys
how about guys who make plays...guys who intimidate....especially on defense...unless the wolff man wins the starting job (and hes a rookie) there is not a single player on defense who you have to mark in the film room during the week much less someone who intimidates
jesus christ if if I hear one more time about how chip has a reason for everything he does im going to lose it....like every other coach in the world is just clueless flys off the handle and do't do anything for any good reason
What happened to the Magician?
concussion
Quote from: Diomedes on August 09, 2013, 09:48:14 PM
What happened to the Magician?
carted off with head injury
aaron dobson has played the whole game
Pretty sure Howie just said "Dick Below" instead of "Dick Lebeau" :-D
Second half of any preseason game is boring, Howie somehow makes it even more boring.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 09:51:01 PM
Second half of any preseason game is boring, Howie somehow makes it even more boring.
boring or infuriating
I would say boring, because it's just a monotone dweeb voice my brain automatically filtered out. I couldn't tell you a farging thing he said.
consider yourself lucky then....it was about as repulsive as you can get
Is there anything Clay Harbor could possibly show to make this team?
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 09:57:27 PM
Is there anything Clay Harbor could possibly show to make this team?
make every special teams tackle for the rest of the preseason
so now baldy has chipper inventing the wide receiver screen
Did Eisen just say "Chip Kelly magic?"
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 09:55:22 PM
I would say boring, because it's just a monotone dweeb voice my brain automatically filtered out. I couldn't tell you a farging thing he said.
I ran errands, what did I miss?
Quote from: Munson on August 09, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
Pretty sure Howie just said "Dick Below" instead of "Dick Lebeau" :-D
He doesn't know who Dick LeBeau is.
And NFLN is going to yank the game off the air in favor of Dallas
Salas!
He had a hell of a career at Hawaii and was actually having a descent rookie year with the Rams in 2011 until he go hurt.
I know it's only preseason but WTF was that?
all this talk about barkleys weak arm--which is fair--foles isnt that much better
this goes back to last year--every time he throws towards the sidelines worries me. ball floats way too much in the air and is asking to get cut off
ill take vicks arm alone to anoint him the starting qb in this "battle". felix jones doing exaclty what he did in dallas--drop every pass thrown to him.
defense--keep up the good work.
foles arm isnt special but its nfl quality
barkleys arm is like jake delhome light
i wish either one of them was on the same planet as kevin cobb tho...did you ever see that pass to pimp he made a few years ago?
The pass against Atlanta that almost got Pimp killed?
No, the one everyone refers to when making fun of Munson.
I recorded the game, but stopped watching at half time. I'll play it tomorrow so I can ff through commercials and Congressman Runyan.
But my thoughts from the 1st half were:
1st team o-line looked decent.
Vick didn't suck. And for all the crap we give him about being a midget, and not smart, and old, and fragile, damn if he still doesn't throw one of the prettiest deep balls you'll ever see.
Brandon Graham = legitimate lol on the Blount play.
Kendricks got trucked on 1 or 2 plays.
Ryans was out of position on a couple runs during that 1st drive.
1st team defense was just absurd.
I think I can throw a ball farther than Matt Barkley. Very disappointing.
The "ETN" is a joke. The production value of an Eagles preseason game is just hideously bad. It's embarrassing.
Sunday ticket. Pass.
These threads are far more entertaining.
Kolb's pass to Jackson was an awful floating duck that had no zip on it whatsoever and required no touch since Jackson was wide farging open.
That noodle arm having turkey neck Buffalo QB
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 09, 2013, 09:37:39 PM
Just offering this up to SD for his avatar:
<----------Perfect
Anyone still taking the under on that 30th ranked D?
j
I was mostly kidding when I said expect a lot of 42-37 games. I might have undersold that a bit.
Still, we knew they were going to be shteinawful on defense but the offense looks very promising. If you're going to have a miserable season you might as well be entertained along the way and I think the offense will provide just enough enjoyment to offset the hideousness of the defense.
If this team somehow manages to win 6 games I'll be shocked.
They'll win 10 and Brandon Graham will dominate.
Real talk.
More than the scheme they just don't have any talent on defense. They have one good promising DLineman. One relatively promising LB. And one young slot corner who will probably be pretty good at that. Basically nothing else.
Quote from: Munson on August 10, 2013, 02:41:03 AM
Kolb's pass to Jackson was an awful floating duck that had no zip on it whatsoever and required no touch since Jackson was wide farging open.
That noodle arm having turkey neck Buffalo QB
It's awesome that you're sticking to your guns on this. I love the commitment.
Here's my problem with the D:
Billy Davis isn't a good D coordinator
They've been drafting all these undersized guys for years (Graham, Curry, Kendricks) now they're throwing them into a different scheme and they're playing out of position.
My BIGGEST issue is the D played with no fire, no passion. I can deal with guys playing out of position and messing up assignments...that's expected because they're learning a completely new scheme. But the way they played last night was embarrassing. Lack of talent is one thing, lack of effort is another. Aside from Vinny Curry nobody else acted like they gave a shtein.
It'll take time to get rid of all that awful on defense, even if they were to hit on every FA and draft pick. They won't, so by the time they do figure it out maybe they'll still have some talented players on offense. Hopefully they'll have a quarterback by then, too.
I'm gonna make an early prediction on the QB battle, my opinion can change but I think this is how it plays out:
Vick starts the season, does well. Probably gets injured at some point in which Foles comes in and plays well too. Vick convinces the football world he's back. New scheme, new regime, new Vick...for a season. We'll get a glimpse of the 2010 first half Vick but not on that same level. He'll come into next season wreckless and a turnover machine, Foles will start the 2014 season.
They're not going to be good, but it was the first game. Jesus christ
if you already know they arent gonna be good why does it matter if it was the first game or not
http://youtu.be/CJnX3KZqYnU
Hah...I thought I saw that last night
That was cool. I'm gonna go back and look for that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
if you already know they arent gonna be good why does it matter if it was the first game or not
Finite!
Quote from: SD on August 10, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
My BIGGEST issue is the D played with no fire, no passion. I can deal with guys playing out of position and messing up assignments...that's expected because they're learning a completely new scheme. But the way they played last night was embarrassing. Lack of talent is one thing, lack of effort is another. Aside from Vinny Curry nobody else acted like they gave a shtein.
100% spot on. Yes it's preseason and it's more about the individuals than the outcome but the defense was autrocious. That opening drive by NE was a complete manhandling. I had visions of 11 Nnamdi's out there on D.
I enjoyed yesterday because it was something different.
Quote from: Rome on August 10, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
I enjoyed yesterday because it was something different.
really?
i felt like i was watching the exact same team as the last five years
Almost worse.
Like hbionic, I'm seriously considering (and actually leaning towards) not investing the $299 in the Sunday Ticket this year. Since I dropped DirecTV, my only mode is through the PS3. And the connection was so choppy that, in conjunction with the zesty play the Eagles will be bringing, I may actually end the season either in jail, on the operating table or in the grave.
I may just spend $50 for the RedZone on the regular TV, and enjoy the national games instead.
wait they made you pay 300 bucks and then the reception was suspect?
Yep. Did end up getting reimbursed something (I want to say $50) because there was a week that was completely unwatchable. And my internet connection is well above the specs for Sunday Ticket.
http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/american-football.html Watch a zesty team on a zesty illegal internet stream.
Save the $300. Skip Red Zone.
Take a hundred bucks and save it.
Take another hundred fifty and treat your wife to her favorite restaurant.
Take the last $50 as seed money for your food and beer budget against the few Eagles games you will get on the national broadcast across your normal service.
Errands.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 10, 2013, 09:53:59 PM
Save the $300. Skip Red Zone.
Take a hundred bucks and save it.
Take another hundred fifty and treat your wife to her favorite restaurant.
Take the last $50 as seed money for your food and beer budget against the few Eagles games you will get on the national broadcast across your normal service.
Errands.
Root for Orioles and Ravens
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 10, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
if you already know they arent gonna be good why does it matter if it was the first game or not
Finite!
i cant wait to put out my questions this year.....
is one preseason game the all time record for fans quitting on a season?
It would have to be a really zesty number one overall draft pick announcement.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/american-football.html Watch a zesty team on a zesty illegal internet stream.
Worked for me last year. Save the money and have a good cup of coffee and a nice breakfast while watching a fuzzy, frozen feed.
That's not a frozen feed, the offense just hasn't gained any yards
Quote from: MDS on August 11, 2013, 01:44:56 AM
is one preseason game the all time record for fans quitting on a season?
how about zero preseason games....how about before last season ended
everyone has known for a year or two that they wouldnt be good again until at least 2014....thats why sb is so hilarious getting upset at people for ripping them during the game the other night
I think a bit of perspective might be in order, though. They're going to be bad on defense. I mean, they are, so...
However, let's remind ourselves that it was Tom Brady who was shredding them so that's expected. What is really concerning to me is the ole' run defense we saw. That's completely unacceptable to me. I can understand the secondary getting torn to pieces by the best quarterback of his generation but stopping the run is about heart and those Hoydas showed none of it the other night.
I know it's preseason and all but show some farging pride already.
Being shredded by Brady doesn't matter. The fact that they gave up touchdowns doesn't matter. It was a preseason vanilla defense that has little relation to the in-season defense (other than to get the guys used to the 3-4). I doubt they made any adjustments whatsoever to react to what the Patriots were doing. Preseason games aren't real.
What matters about the defense from the game is the individual performances. Most of the players did not play well, displaying physical limitations, poor decision-making, and lack of discipline. That's why we know they will suck during the season. DeMeco Ryans not knowing where he's supposed to be, Trent Cole looking confused and out-of-place at OLB, Fletcher Cox getting pushed around, Kenny Phillips being the slowest guy on the field, Nate Allen being an embarrassment all-around -- none of that has to do with Brady or Belichick.
Also, I rarely buy into "heart", "wanting to win" etc arguments. These guys are fighting for their jobs. The reason they are sloppy is because they simply aren't very good players (and perhaps coached poorly too, although it's too early to come to that conclusion). Stopping the run isn't about heart, it's about properly diagnosing plays and sealing gaps (which the defense was terrible at), tackling (oops Nate Allen), and having defensive backs who are noticeably faster than 250lb RBs (oops Kenny Phillips). It'll take a few solid drafts for this defense to get anywhere close to where it needs to be.
Motherfargers quit on the field all the time and you can smell it when they've checked out. They played gutless all last season and routinely got their faces pushed in. Of all the things that bothered me about that team, that was the worst.
It'd be nice to have just one dominating, nasty, monster on defense. Just one.
What I did was forward all the games I had recorded. I saved myself two hours of agony doing that.
I've paid my dues, I don't have to endure craptastic play for the sake of watching. I honestly get 1000x the entertainment reading your game posts. It truly says it all.
Like Dio, I'll watch the nationally televised games and maybe catch a random game here or there.
Quote from: Munson on August 11, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
It'd be nice to have just one dominating, nasty, monster on defense. Just one.
Yep. If only they had a high draft pick this past year to be in position to take one. Someone like, oh I don't know, Jarvis Jones perhaps?
But no. Lets not take a nasty edge rusher. No sir.
I dont even want an edge rusher as much as I would like a friggin MLB that has some balls, can communicate with his players, put them in the right spots, be a reliable anchor in the middle and sideline to sideline.
Quote from: Rome on August 11, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
Motherfargers quit on the field all the time and you can smell it when they've checked out. They played gutless all last season and routinely got their faces pushed in. Of all the things that bothered me about that team, that was the worst.
totally agree on the leadership aspect...football is the one sport where it matters and they have none....they were pathetic mops with andy reid who everyone to a man respects...now they have a sissy college coach whos number one goal is to make the smoothies taste right....what do you think is going to happen....cary Williams is the new drc and connor barwin is nnamdi....same cast different names
to qb's point tho you can have all the leadership in the world but if you don't have anyone that can play it doesn't matter....
eagles happen to be in that dead zone where they have neither
Man, how did a team that just fired their inept coach ever get to such an awful state?
this is the year to suck
im absolutely fascinated by the decision some team (hopefully the eagles) is going to have to make next year....do you take the best defensive line prospect OF ALL TIME or a qb (if you need one)
what are everyones thoughts on that?
if say a team like the eagles picks first who has no future qb on their roster
I'm totally fine with the Best Player Available system, unless that's a RB or TE.
Do you take Cam Newton or Von Miller?
you take jc, then draft JOHNNY FOOTBALL in the 2nd round
Some team is going to take a flyer on Manziel in round 1 I think unless he bombs the interview process or measures smaller than he's listed.
But I agree I'd take Clowney and then there seems to be a handful of pretty good QBs with more upside than anyone on the roster who will be around late rd1/early rd2 if you want to go that way. It depends though - if you truly believe TB is an elite prospect I think it's hard to pass him up.
Quote from: Rome on August 11, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
Do you take Cam Newton or Von Miller?
way over simplifying things
von miller is a linebacker posing as an undersized 3-4 end...that's way under selling jc
you want a modern day comparison then clown show is julius peppers but better
also teddy b can be much better than cam
honestly with the eagles luck, it doesnt much matter who they take
loser franchise loser city, aint nothin gonna happen
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 11, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
It depends though - if you truly believe TB is an elite prospect I think it's hard to pass him up.
elite is a given....you take the qb....what makes it so interesting to me is what if you believe teddy b is a great qb prospect but not elite...isnt a great qb better than an elite DE?...or is it?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2013, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 11, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
It depends though - if you truly believe TB is an elite prospect I think it's hard to pass him up.
elite is a given....you take the qb....what makes it so interesting to me is what if you believe teddy b is a great qb prospect but not elite...isnt a great qb better than an elite DE?...or is it?
Well that's kind of what I'm saying. If you think he's RGIII/Luck caliber then I think you have to take him. If you just determine he's a very good QB prospect I don't think you can pass on Clowney especially considering how badly the defense needs someone like him.
I'd take Clowney and not think twice about it.
And why the hate for Von Miller? He's an absolute beast.
ive farging loved von miller since he was a junior in college....i was all over him in our fantasy draft when he was a rookie
but hes not in the same stratosphere as jc
You mean he's not the best ever?
not even close
hes the best ever bronco pass rusher currently on the roster
lol
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/williams-kelly-odds-over-mindset-eagles-d
that cat cant be on the roster come the opener
why?
cause hes a cancer who cant play
Plus he's a big mouth who should shut his farging face hole about Baltimore. They had 3-4 Hall of Fame caliber players on the defense. The Eagles don't have dick so comparing the two is idiotic.
Yeah he wasn't comparing the two. He said BAL was different.
And I like what he said. Where are all the "they need attitude" crowd from earlier? Hes got attitude. And I don't quite care for chip's no hitting pansy camp
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 11, 2013, 11:53:32 AM
What matters about the defense from the game is the individual performances. Most of the players did not play well, displaying physical limitations, poor decision-making, and lack of discipline. That's why we know they will suck during the season. DeMeco Ryans not knowing where he's supposed to be
This was maddening to see on Friday. It happened a lot last year too, but I gave him a pass because he was moving to the 4-3 and he had an o-line coach as his coordinator for half the season. But now that they're going to the 3-4, which Ryans played in Houston, seeing him out of position so much and overrunning plays what just infuriating. I get it when Trent Cole looks stupid on the field. This is brand new stuff to him and he's doing things he's never had to do before. But this should be old hat for Ryans.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2013, 06:23:19 PM
Yeah he wasn't comparing the two. He said BAL was different.
And I like what he said. Where are all the "they need attitude" crowd from earlier? Hes got attitude. And I don't quite care for chip's no hitting pansy camp
I don't have a
problem with what he said either........so long as he's willing to man up in the locker room and in the huddle and on the field. Williams thinks the D needs an attitude adjustment? Cool. Then he should try setting the tone. But I suspect that he just wants to collect his game checks a hell of a lot more than he wants to try and leave an imprint in the locker room. So unless he's willing to step up, then farg him.
demeco ryans is a 4-3 mlb trying to learn to play in a 3-4 under....i wouldnt get too upset with how he played in a preseason game that was his first game ever under this system
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 11, 2013, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2013, 06:23:19 PM
Yeah he wasn't comparing the two. He said BAL was different.
And I like what he said. Where are all the "they need attitude" crowd from earlier? Hes got attitude. And I don't quite care for chip's no hitting pansy camp
I don't have a problem with what he said either........so long as he's willing to man up in the locker room and in the huddle and on the field. Williams thinks the D needs an attitude adjustment? Cool. Then he should try setting the tone. But I suspect that he just wants to collect his game checks a hell of a lot more than he wants to try and leave an imprint in the locker room. So unless he's willing to step up, then farg him.
god ozzie let him walk without even an inkling of caring.....I have nothing to contribute
Quote"It was nothing like this [in Baltimore], I'll tell you that,"
Not comparing the two teams at all. Nope.
Quote from: Rome on August 11, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
Quote"It was nothing like this [in Baltimore], I'll tell you that,"
Not comparing the two teams at all. Nope.
sounds like a leader to me
For all the shtein the Eagles spew about character and whatever, guys like this keep finding their way onto the roster.
I guess they forgot to add that column on Howie's Excel spreadsheets.
I don't have as much of a problem with what he said as I do with him skipping OTA's. I'm having a hard time understanding why he's so bitter...nobody forced him to sign here.
he signed here cause no one else wanted his dumb ass....he had this rep in baltimore
like i said when ozzie wants no part of you people notice...except apparently howie
:-D
farg us
Chipper learning real fast how to babysit grown men.
There's always going to be idiots on teams. Every professional team in the world has them. I don't think Williams is more than an average corner but good for him to speak up.
He played on a killer defense with attitude. If he wants to see that here great - let him yap and now it's up to him to lead it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
There's always going to be idiots on teams. Every professional team in the world has them. I don't think Williams is more than an average corner but good for him to speak up.
He played on a killer defense with attitude. If he wants to see that here great - let him yap and now it's up to him to lead it.
i love j to death
10 wins?
Hmmmmm....maybe.
I got $50 that says the Eagles won't win 10 games this season.
J - you in?
Not yet. Get back to me after the third PS game.
Quote"I feel like we got to establish a tenacity, a tough-nosed defense, a hard-nosed defense, something that's to be feared when it comes out to each and every week," Williams said, via Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Brian Dawkins alluded to it a couple of times when I spoke to him. He was talking about bring that fear back here. Right now, I don't know if there's anybody out there that fears this defense, especially after last week. So I think we have to come together, find a way to get back to those old days when Brian Dawkins was here. Strike the fear in individuals or teams."
sconces
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
There's always going to be idiots on teams. Every professional team in the world has them. I don't think Williams is more than an average corner but good for him to speak up.
He played on a killer defense with attitude. If he wants to see that here great - let him yap and now it's up to him to lead it.
couldnt agree more--at least he has the balls to say it--since no other pansy on that d will say it.
you say it in the locker room it gets swept underneath the rug--it gets said live on camera that youre a bunch of punks that love to get pushed around it might resonate more
it might resonate more if he wasnt a horrible cornerback
A change in attitude's gotta start somewhere. It won't get better with the guys they have now, but good for him for trying.
Cary Williams is a farging idiot. How about playing a couple downs for the team before you start criticizing it, douchebag. Even Bynum wasn't that obnoxious.
None of it matters as long as the talent on the team is lacking. Talk is farging cheap and less than useless especially if the dickface talking sucks or worse yet can't get on the field because he's hurt.
so a backup wide receiver calls a black security guard a stillupfront and a zesty corner says his team is full of Hoydas
meanwhile the head coach and gm do nothing
this is good
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2013, 06:58:22 PM
demeco ryans is a 4-3 mlb trying to learn to play in a 3-4 under....i wouldnt get too upset with how he played in a preseason game that was his first game ever under this system
They didn't play 3-4 when he was in Houston? Could have sworn they did.
They ran the 4-3, Sarge. When Wade Phillips got there they switched to the 3-4 and that's one of the main reasons he left.
fantasy players vs. the eagles = wins
I'm still waiting for Phreak to go forward on my proposed bet.
$50 - Jay. Let's do this.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2013, 09:00:24 AM
They ran the 4-3, Sarge. When Wade Phillips got there they switched to the 3-4 and that's one of the main reasons he left.
Ah, I had it backwards then. So they traded him because they didn't feel he'd fit the 3-4. That makes me feel better.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
I'm still waiting for Phreak to go forward on my proposed bet.
$50 - Jay. Let's do this.
Lets talk after the third PS game
Eagles get ex-Oregon Duck WR Jeff Maehl from Houston for OL Nate Menkin.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/23117230/eagles-get-wr-maehl-from-texans-for-ol-menkin?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Someone please read this and tell me if it is worth my time: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/71149/same-old-chip-what-we-learned-about-the-eagles-offense-in-their-new-coachs-preseason-debut (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/71149/same-old-chip-what-we-learned-about-the-eagles-offense-in-their-new-coachs-preseason-debut).
My time is worthless, so keep that in mind.
Is this Chris Brown dude who wrote the article for real? I stopped after the second paragraph. A farging novel on the birds tempo during a preseason game? Go getum' Chris.
i thought it was a good article, and he acknowledges several times that this is only preseason
this guy has written multiple articles on kellys offense in the past, he knows his stuff
he might know his stuff but he wasnt saying anything of real substance that you didnt get from watching the game yourself and most of the piece was pretty painful...do we need 12 pages on the offense in a preseason game where the most important thing to come out of it is that michael kendricks should not be playing in a 3-4
i think the most relevant thing he said in the whole article was "theres nothing revolutionary here"
then why did you write a 100,000 thousand word story about it?
I'm thinking he wrote a 100k word story about it because he's a writer. #truth
Also, I would think this would have IGY fapping furiously.
QuoteAlthough not all the Eagles quarterbacks are fleet-footed, whoever ends up the starter will be required to make quick decisions and efficiently distribute the ball to a variety of weapons; in a reply to a question from ESPN's Todd McShay about who would be his ideal quarterback, Kelly's response was Rajon Rondo.
Add Phillip Hunt to the "torn ACL/out for the year" group
Anyone know where I can watch this thing on the internet?
not sure about the internet but the nfl network has that live whip around thing for preseason games....theres a replay of the gme tomorrow at 4pm as well
When fans call it a game, the NFL hears "cha-ching."
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I laughed.
Who's Colt Anderson?
Quote from: methdeez on August 15, 2013, 06:03:18 PM
Anyone know where I can watch this thing on the internet?
The NFL has the preseason package for $14.99. If you use a promo code (NFL25) you get 25 percent off. You get all the preseason games with the package.
https://preseason.nfl.com/nflpl/secure/schedule
lots of chings and chungs racists
Quote from: Rome on August 15, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: methdeez on August 15, 2013, 06:03:18 PM
Anyone know where I can watch this thing on the internet?
The NFL has the preseason package for $14.99. If you use a promo code (NFL25) you get 25 percent off. You get all the preseason games with the package.
https://preseason.nfl.com/nflpl/secure/schedule
Alternately there is an ad-supported version for $0.00 usually available at http://atdhe.eu/
Much better effort so far. This o line even minus Peters looks damn good.
Horrible throw
I love Baldy but no way Foles wax trying to throw that away.
Way to completely torpedo a great drive. Jesus.
D line looks a lot better...nice play there by Thornton
what polar opposites on those two plays.
the nick foles fake lateral rush and then the next play some beautiful moves by shady. i love that man.
This offense will be competent this year IF (big if) whoever is QB avoids terrible mistakes all day.
McCoy is going to have a huge year.
Sadly the defense will be lolbad.
I like what I see from Chung so far
Getting a late start on watching, but Foles is doing pretty good so far where I'm watching on the first drive. Shame that Cooper hasn't thrown any blocks on running plays. I guess his love of jumping fences does not translate to lines of scrimmage.
Naturally, he then calls a timeout so he can Favre up a pick in the back of the endzone. :yay
The turnovers are getting old already. Tighten it up jackasses.
This offense is a refreshing change from Reid's stale offense
lol at baldy. settle down fella.
i tried to hold it down but i got a major hard on watching vick out there. amazing what trusting in your o line will do to a guy.
Yeah Vick looks really comfortable. Cautiously optimistic that he can have a 2010 like season.
The preseason hd pass is ridiculous. Perfect.
Ore-ah-gahn.
Barkley hates receivers and wants them to die on the field.
Just started the second half. I sure hope he stops being awful soon.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 15, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Barkley hates receivers and wants them to die on the field.
Just started the second half. I sure hope he stops being awful soon.
His decision making and accuracy is decent, but his arm strength leaves them hanging.
Quote from: SD on August 15, 2013, 10:13:50 PM
his arm strength leaves them hanging.
Riley Cooper's favorite QB for two reasons now.
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That run was ridiculous. Shady making professionals look like beer leaguers leaves me feeling happy in the pants. The Mrs even said holy crap during that run.
that 2nd cut was so disgusting, i don't know how he kept his speed up
I also enjoy watching Manneans pulling and flinging the backer ten yards off the line of scrimmage as he's falling.
Spadaro on Angelo's show this morning, explaining the loud music that was playing while the offense was on the field:
Quote"NFL rules say that, a stipulation, is that the music needs to be turned down with 20 seconds left on the play clock when the opposing offense is on the field. So Chip said 'well if there is no rule about when our offense is on the field, let's play the music', and his thought is 'well we're used to playing with the music'. This perhaps limits the defense's ability to communicate or causes a little bit of confusion. Once the knee goes down and the play clock goes down to 40 seconds, the music goes on right up until the snap. The Eagles are getting all the music that they have at practice—they're used to it. They're not confused. This is why they're doing it. Now what's going to happen, ultimately perhaps, the league is going to have to amend the rule or every other team in the league is going to try to do it."
He also said they're gonna do it in the regular season too
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on August 16, 2013, 09:49:11 AM
I also enjoy watching Manneans pulling and flinging the backer ten yards off the line of scrimmage as he's falling.
ha...yeah i can't stop laughing at how dumb 58 looks on that play. like one of us out there trying to tackle him.
merrill reese's call on the shady run was nice ....
"Shady McCoy is making men leave articles of clothing all over the field"
I tried listening to Merrill on the package but it wasn't synched properly.
So I got Scott Graham instead. Jesus he's tortuous.
holy tits at the 2nd cut...good lord.
hes got such a small window where hes going to be THIS good. god damnit they better take advantage of it.
Think of what a coach who doesn't treat the run like a cumsock can do with him and Brown.
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2013, 12:24:54 PM
I tried listening to Merrill on the package but it wasn't synched properly.
So I got Scott Graham instead. Jesus he's tortuous.
graham is terrific compared to Baldinger, he's horrendous
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2013, 12:58:15 PM
Think of what a coach who doesn't treat the run like a cumsock can do with him and Brown.
Romey hits a grandslam with no one on.
PORL (Post Of Rome's Life)
Quote from: MDS on August 16, 2013, 12:45:24 PMhes got such a small window where hes going to be THIS good. god damnit they better take advantage of it.
Staley
Westbrook
McCoy
what a succession of luck at RB, all wasted so far
Don't forget Charlie Garner. I always liked that dude.
Also, Reid didn't waste Duce, remember the three headed attack in the early days? He was a pretty good coach for a while.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 16, 2013, 01:18:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 16, 2013, 12:45:24 PMhes got such a small window where hes going to be THIS good. god damnit they better take advantage of it.
Staley
Westbrook
McCoy
what a succession of luck at RB, all wasted so far
staley was good but not in the class of the other 2. shady is better than bwest.
shady, talent wise, is the best rb theyve had. hes only second to all day in the world. these things dont happen too often.
no love for ricky watters ?
(i cant resist)
for who, for what?
Duce was awesome but not as good as the other two. I'm not ready to say Shady is better than BWest but his ceiling is higher.
I'm ready to say it. Shady's got shakes like Barry. Just give him the ball 25 times a game and when they get tired of running after him Brown can come in and pound it up their asses. I'm actually giddy thinking about it.
BWest had decent moves too, but his was more about how fast his first step was. He couldn't go lateral like Shady can, but he could change directions 60 degrees either direction at top speed and just run right by guys/through arm tackles around his thighs.
Shady and Bwest are about equal.
For Who For What
Duce
i love preseason fans
Do you think Shady will thank McNabb in his HOF speech?
Igy--thinking people are judging Shady off of a preseason game since 2013
Quote from: General_Failure on August 17, 2013, 01:41:18 AM
Do you think Shady will thank McNabb in his HOF speech?
shady>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>36west>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>barry sanders
In case any of you haven't been poring over all the Eagles information that has been in the media the past few weeks, Jimmy Kempski at philly.com but together a quick list of the players having the best and worst camps. He didn't evaluate the lines because that is somewhat worthless for an outsider to evaluate in no-pads, no-hitting situations.
Best: DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brandon Boykin, Mychal Kendricks
Honorable Mention: Connor Barwin, Patrick Chung, Chris Polk, Damaris Johnson, Greg Salas, Russell Shepard, Michael Vick, Nick Foles
Worst: Felix Jones, Brent Celek, Curtis Marsh, Kenny Phillips, Jamar Chaney
Dishonorable mention: Brandon Graham, Jordan Poyer, Everette Brown, Ifeanyi Momah
Maybe he plays well in camp but I haven't noticed Barwin much on D. I rewatched the first half again, the LBs played a lot better. I'm still up in the air about Ryans.
What stood out compared to the Pats game: Gap control was a million times better. They weren't getting pushed out of their lanes. Ray Diddy was talking before the Panthers game that Davis was pissed because the players weren't playing within the system, they were doing whatever they wanted to. He specifically mentioned Graham. I noticed Graham played with the 2nd team D against the Panthers. They need to place him back at end, Cole too. They look out of place.
Kapadia's breakdown of the 4-TE package (http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/08/16/no-22-eagles-introduce-4-te-package/)
the 3 and 4 te sets are going to be even more effective when pimp is wide because it wont allow the safeties to come up...its another example of why he is so important and cant really be replaced
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 18, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
Kapadia's breakdown of the 4-TE package (http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/08/16/no-22-eagles-introduce-4-te-package/)
good stuff
I haven't seen much out of Casey yet.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 18, 2013, 01:53:36 PM
In case any of you haven't been poring over all the Eagles information that has been in the media the past few weeks, Jimmy Kempski at philly.com but together a quick list of the players having the best and worst camps. He didn't evaluate the lines because that is somewhat worthless for an outsider to evaluate in no-pads, no-hitting situations.
Best: DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brandon Boykin, Mychal Kendricks
Honorable Mention: Connor Barwin, Patrick Chung, Chris Polk, Damaris Johnson, Greg Salas, Russell Shepard, Michael Vick, Nick Foles
Worst: Felix Jones, Brent Celek, Curtis Marsh, Kenny Phillips, Jamar Chaney
Dishonorable mention: Brandon Graham, Jordan Poyer, Everette Brown, Ifeanyi Momah
Salas :yay
Tom Selleck may be in trouble. I'll miss those meaningless 2 yard reception first down celebrations.
QuoteThe Eagles' control of the line of scrimmage in Thursday's 14-9 win over the Panthers was impressive not just because of its stark contrast to their first preseason game, but also because of their opponent.
The Eagles' first-half offense averaged 7.4 yards per play against Carolina's top-10 defense, and the Panthers' pass rushing duo of Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy -- which combined for 22.5 sacks last season -- failed to pressure either Eagles quarterback.
Now just imagine this high-octane offense with Jason Peters at left tackle.
After missing all of last season with two Achilles tears, Peters was out for the Eagles' first two preseason games with a hamstring tweak suffered on July 31. On Saturday, he returned to the field in front of roughly 20,000 fans in the second-to-last open practice at the Linc.
"Yeah I'm suiting up this week," Peters told the Eagles' official site. "I'm going to go out there and get myself some good work against Jacksonville and get ready for Washington.
"I felt great. I could have played last week, but I'm just trying to make sure. I don't want to re-injure it then go into the season with it tweaked up. So I'm 100 percent ready to go."
Peters looked strong in O-line drills and moved well in 11-on-11s, even if it was just in shorts.
Michael Vick, who by CSNPhilly.com's unofficial tally took 74 percent of the first-team reps Saturday, lit up when asked about his returning lineman.
"I mean, he's a dynamite player," Vick said. "[With Peters] the left side is almost all taken care of. Guys have been doing a great job holding it down over there, but JP's a different animal."
A different animal indeed. Peters made five straight Pro Bowls from 2007-11 and was a first-team All Pro in 2011.
That year, the Eagles averaged 5.4 yards per carry when running off left tackle behind Peters. LeSean McCoy rushed for a career-high 1,309 yards, averaging 0.6 yards per carry more than he did during a nightmarish 2012.
If Peters can avoid further injury and Lane Johnson continues to develop, the Eagles' offensive line has a chance to be special. And even if Peters does go down again -- he's started 16 games just once in his nine-year career -- the Eagles feel they're well-stocked outside in pass and run protection. Backup left tackle Allen Barbre played well in place of Peters against New England and Carolina (see story).
"I think Allen has done a really nice job and I think when Dennis [Kelly] went down that was a big question for all of us -- 'Do we have another tackle?' I think Allen, to us, has really solidified his situation from a depth standpoint," head coach Chip Kelly said. "We knew he could play guard, but now to have a guy that's a guard/tackle guy ... sometimes you have seven guys active on game day. You're going to have to have somebody that's got some versatility and I think that's what we learned from him."
But the plan is to get Peters healthy and to use his 6-foot-4, 340-pound frame to shield Vick from attackers on his throwing side, and to create the tiny bit of space McCoy needs before deciding which move he'll use to make the first man miss.
"Even though you guys may not have seen it, we still made a good share of mistakes today," Vick said of the offense. "We're taking these next two days of training camp seriously and trying to get better in some things we need to put into the offense. But it's all about getting Jason back, getting him going and keeping things in order."
The starting O line should be great this year. My worry is depth...they have zilch.
Chip will be on FS1's new "FOX Football Daily" show tomorrow at 6
bold prediction - chip will be asked if he has decided who his starting qb is.
Something I didn't notice on the Shady run until now:
Shady's run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7CJ_7soams)
Keep an eye on Lane on this play. He makes his block and stands around, but when he sees Shady take off, he blows right past him to the goalline to take out someone else
Good eye Sunny. Let's hope that's something that innate and not just because he was on the teevee.
Quote from: hbionic on August 19, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Good eye Sunny. Let's hope that's something that innate and not just because he was on the teevee.
lolz
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 19, 2013, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: hbionic on August 19, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Good eye Sunny. Let's hope that's something that innate and not just because he was on the teevee.
lolz
God damn. I must have Sunmo on the brain.
Sorry Ed.
Good eye BigEd. :paranoid
what is happening
I'm falling in love?
Quote from: hbionic on August 19, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
Good eye BigEd. :paranoid
that was originally posted by kapadia....whats funny is kapadia criticized johnson for first giving up on the play and then needed a burst to get there as shady was being tackled anyway....homer easy left that part out...i love him
I'll be the first to say, I'm really liking what i've seen so far of Lane. Compared to our last high OL pick.
its amazing what can happen when you draft a football player from a small texas town instead of a small canadien town
Surprising to no one Chip just officially announced Vick is the starter
I'd also like to go on record as saying Chip played this perfectly. He got the best out of Vick and gave Foles an equal chance. He waited the perfect amount of time too considering game 3 is really your opening day walk through.
In other news Barkley still thinks he has a shot to start.
Quote from: SD on August 20, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
Surprising to no one Chip just officially announced Vick is the starter
I'd also like to go on record as saying Chip played this perfectly. He got the best out of Vick and gave Foles an equal chance. He waited the perfect amount of time too considering game 3 is really your opening day walk through.
plus foles got plenty of work with the 1's so he's ready to go in week 5 when vick gets hurt.
Win-win
Quote from: smeags on August 20, 2013, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: SD on August 20, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
Surprising to no one Chip just officially announced Vick is the starter
I'd also like to go on record as saying Chip played this perfectly. He got the best out of Vick and gave Foles an equal chance. He waited the perfect amount of time too considering game 3 is really your opening day walk through.
plus foles got plenty of work with the 1's so he's ready to go in week 5 when vick gets hurt.
or week 2 after vick turns it over six times in the opener
Well, no matter who the qb I just hope the days of 50 plus passes per game are over. Shady has looked pretty good. It has been said that they'll run the ball out of the pistol a lot. Is that what you guys are seeing?
If the line stays healthy and Vick doesn't play like a reckless icehole this offense will be ridiculous. Granted that's a couple of huge ifs but still... Shady might be a legit MVP candidate if all goes as planned.
They still won't beat good teams b/c of the porous defense but 6-8 wins seems reasonable.
Anything is possible, but I have a hard time thinking they'll break 6 wins this year.
And as far as Vick, goes...I get it, though the team is less interesting to me with him starting. I also don't like that they really aren't building anything with him, so a lot of me thinks it's pretty pointless, other than to give Chipper the best chance to make a decent first impression with his offense, and I get that, too. Still...I'm pretty over Vick.
im all for whatever gets them a top two overall pick
Vick, IMO, earned the starting job, so I'm ok with it for now. Head to head w/Foles, he simply played better. Good news is that Foles played pretty damn well himself, so Kelly shouldn't have any reservations about making a change should Vick start coughing it up.
The open comp between the 2 along with Vick's play in the 1st two games hasn't left me with the same level of indifference I'd have had if Vick was simply handed the job.
Vick outplayed Foles, but I still believe in the long run this team is better off with Foles. I think he's more accurate and has a chance to be a pretty good qb. But I also think that Kelley will want his own draft pick in there at some point.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 20, 2013, 02:29:19 PM
Anything is possible, but I have a hard time thinking they'll break 6 wins this year.
I hope you're right, because if they aren't going to the playoffs, anything over 6 wins just means that they won't have as good a draft pick. I hope they make the playoffs but don't in anyway think they will. I hope they win 3-4 games so they draft in the top three.
if i had my choice vick wouldnt even be on the team....but the qb for the long run is not on the roster right now...so it really doesnt matter who starts....
i would never fault chipper for trying to win games...he has to do that.....but as a fan vick is the worst case scenario because he has the chance to make them just good enough to not suck but not quite enough for them to ever be good
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2013, 03:26:50 PM
if i had my choice vick wouldnt even be on the team....but the qb for the long run is not on the roster right now...so it really doesnt matter who starts....
i would never fault chipper for trying to win games...he has to do that.....but as a fan vick is the worst case scenario because he has the chance to make them just good enough to not suck but not quite enough for them to ever be good
...and that is probably exactly what is going to happen this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2013, 07:58:05 AM
its amazing what can happen when you draft a football player from a small texas town instead of a small canadien town
:-D
Quote from: shorebird on August 20, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
Well, no matter who the qb I just hope the days of 50 plus passes per game are over.
It's Chip. There might be some games with 50 plus passes and 50 plus runs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: smeags on August 20, 2013, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: SD on August 20, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
Surprising to no one Chip just officially announced Vick is the starter
I'd also like to go on record as saying Chip played this perfectly. He got the best out of Vick and gave Foles an equal chance. He waited the perfect amount of time too considering game 3 is really your opening day walk through.
plus foles got plenty of work with the 1's so he's ready to go in week 5 when vick gets hurt.
or week 2 after vick turns it over six times in the opener
The way the mental midget has been diving head first this preseason expect Foles to be the QB of the future in no time.
when the dog murderer throws to the racist what am i supposed to do
Quote from: MDS on August 21, 2013, 03:37:59 AM
when the dog murderer throws to the racist what am i supposed to do
think of how much you hate mcnabb?
Quote from: MDS on August 21, 2013, 03:37:59 AM
when the dog murderer throws to the racist what am i supposed to do
Boo the incompletion
Quote from: shorebird on August 20, 2013, 03:13:17 PM
Vick outplayed Foles, but I still believe in the long run this team is better off with Foles. I think he's more accurate and has a chance to be a pretty good qb. But I also think that Kelley will want his own draft pick in there at some point.
Won't say it's better off long term with Foles because his body of work is still too small, but everyone knows that Vick does not have a future with this franchise beyond this season....or at least he shouldn't have one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2013, 03:26:50 PM
if i had my choice vick wouldnt even be on the team
Agreed.
Crazy stupid thought - if Vick has a strong showing in extended action in PS week 3, what are the odds that Howie's on the phone shopping him around?
Less crazy stupid thought - what are the odds that Howie is on the phone shopping Foles right now?
Quotebut the qb for the long run is not on the roster right now...so it really doesnt matter who starts
I like Foles, but I agree. Even though he's looked good in a couple of preseason games, I still have doubts about his ability to be the full time QB in this offense. I'm hoping that when Vick inevitably gets hurt, that the Eagles are something like 2-3 or 3-5 and not 1-7 so that Foles gets to play some meaningful snaps in meaningful games before the Eagles are out of contention. That would be the best time to really evaluate him and decide whether or not he has a place on this team, imo.
trading foles, given vick's history of injury and being awful in general, would be a terrible move
Quote from: SunMo on August 21, 2013, 09:38:30 AM
trading foles, given vick's history of injury and being awful in general, would be a terrible move
Well, that all depends on the compensation. For a 3rd, yeah, stupid. For a 1st or 2nd (which isn't realistic, but for shteins and giggles), you'd have to do it...because what are you really risking? This season? They're not doing anything anyway, and if they'd consider trading Foles, he wouldn't be in their future. I can't see how it would really matter, other than potentially helping the Eagles get a better draft pick.
im in the minority it seems because so many people are high on foles but i just dont see anything in him...im not saying hes a bum but hes done nothing to show me hes anything other than a low level starter/good back up type qb
i tend to think the foles 'hype' has more to do with people not liking vick or knowing vick isnt the future than it does them thinking foles has all sorts of potential
as for trading foles not sure why youd do it simply because i dont think he has much value...a 4th rounder at best?....is that even worth it
Oh, totally. I didn't want Foles to start because I think he's a worldbeater. I wanted him to start because the book on him isn't completely written and he's not Vick. Like I said, I'm not married to the guy, but dumping him for a 3rd or less wouldn't be worth the trouble.
id def take a third for him.....thats what you used on him
a 4th id think about it....anything else wouldnt be enough imo
fact is tho chip is trying to win right away and win big and like sunny said you dont trade your number 2 qb two weeks before the season starts with michael vick as your starter if you are worried about the number of wins you have this year
Quote from: Zanshin on August 21, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
Oh, totally. I didn't want Foles to start because I think he's a worldbeater. I wanted him to start because the book on him isn't completely written and he's not Vick. Like I said, I'm not married to the guy, but dumping him for a 3rd or less wouldn't be worth the trouble.
This is where I stand too and why I got somewhat interested in the team last year after Vick got hurt. He's the anti-Vick and to a certain extent, he's the anti-McNabb. He's tall, has a high football IQ, he can make quick reads, and he gets rid of the ball quickly so he won't take a lot of sacks unless there's an absolute jailbreak at the LOS....which makes him the anti-Vick.
He doesn't seem to get rattled easily, isn't scurred, takes control of the huddle, isn't afraid to fail, accepts blame with poor decisions or throws....which makes him the anti-McNabb.
He's not going to be Peyton or Brady, but I think his ceiling is a bit higher than IGY does. I think he could get into the top 12-15 range among starting QBs if everything falls into place (ie: right coach, right system, right players around him). Is Philly the right place for him? Probably not. I don't know if he's capable of running Chip's offense full time.....at least not the way Chip wants to run it. But I'd honestly much rather watch Foles go out there every week and be terrible and know for sure than see Vick go out there and make 2 or 3 highlight plays for both teams.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
im all for whatever gets them a top two overall pick
I don't see how this team is gonna be worse than Jacksonville or Oakland
oakland has a big disadvantage in schedule cause their division sucks
jacksonville i cant really make an argument against
but really tons can happen during an nfl season....most unpredictable in all of sports....now dont get me wrong they could surprise and win nine games too....but they have a legit shot at one of the top two picks if all goes well
their defense alone puts their ceiling at seven wins imo...throw in all the other questionmarks like vick horrendous depth on offense...terrible wide receivers...unknown coach and new system and you have all the ingrediants for implosion
granted you dont know what state a team is going to be in at a particular time but what games on their schedule do you feel real confidant they will win right now?
i have two....three tops
lol @ 2 wins. seek help.
Pretty confident in a win
vs SD
Leaning win but wouldn't be surprised if they lost
vs KC
Could go either way
3 home divisional games, @TB
Leaning loss but wouldn't be surprised if they won
3 road divisional games, vs CHI, vs DET, vs AZ, @OAK
No shot
@GB, @MIN, @DEN
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2013, 02:46:05 PM
lol @ 2 wins. seek help.
easy has one confidant win.....less than me
they have no shot on the road against christian ponder?
EASY!
They're going to be better than 4-12. I'm saying 6-8 wins is reasonable. It's not like I'm Jay saying 13-3 over here.
Quote"I want to win the job," Thornton said after practice. "Do I expect to win the job? I believe God has his plan, and if I'm the starter, then that's his plan."
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
they have no shot on the road against christian ponder?
EASY!
they have no shot on the road against adrian peterson
also the eagles qb that day might be matt barkley
its not like ponders opposite is going to be tom brady that day
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/54993/chip-kelly-clinic-ignore-time-of-possession
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
they have no shot on the road against christian ponder?
EASY!
they have no shot on the road against adrian peterson
also the eagles qb that day might be matt barkley
its not like ponders opposite is going to be tom brady that day
Playing in the dome, Peterson almost guaranteed to go for 100+, Cordarrelle Patterson as a potential threat against a crappy secondary, a decent defense against the run, and the Eagles are already thinking about Christmas and the offseason
i can see this team winning 5-6 games. i'm hoping they are all at home.
eagles have to face cordarelle patterson this year? might as well just forfeit.
the farg is wrong with all of you.
tra thomas - philadelphia eagle - coach
haha matty
Quote from: phattymatty on August 22, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
eagles have to face cordarelle patterson this year? might as well just forfeit.
the farg is wrong with all of you.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 22, 2013, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
they have no shot on the road against christian ponder?
EASY!
they have no shot on the road against adrian peterson
also the eagles qb that day might be matt barkley
its not like ponders opposite is going to be tom brady that day
Playing in the dome, Peterson almost guaranteed to go for 100+, Cordarrelle Patterson as a potential threat against a crappy secondary, a decent defense against the run, and the Eagles are already thinking about Christmas and the offseason
so youre saying jason peters is going to get distracted midplay because hes going to be worried about his wife getting all the things on their christmas list?
snap...here comes jason allen....oh shtein did she buy that ipad for uncle bob?....oh wait vick just got sacked....damnit christmas!
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2013, 04:00:54 PM
so youre saying jason peters is going to get distracted midplay because hes going to be worried about his wife getting all the things on their christmas list?
snap...here comes jason allen....oh shtein did she buy that ipad for uncle bob?....oh wait vick just got sacked....damnit christmas!
reese post is reesey
I'm saying the team is gonna be out of the playoff race, it's gonna be mid-December, they'll probably be down early, and their minds aren't gonna be on the game 100% at that point. Do I really need to clarify every farging thing that I write?
easy i love you
Quote from: SunMo on August 22, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/54993/chip-kelly-clinic-ignore-time-of-possession
"We'll just have to teach our defense how to stand around better."
ha
here's the longer form of that exchange:
Q. Are there any unique demands that are put on a defense that's running opposite the up-tempo offense that you've noticed over your time? COACH KELLY: No, I really haven't. It's about plays run. I've heard the question about time of possession, but we've talked about all the time ‑‑ time of possession is how much time can the other team waste. Most games, we lose the time of possession, but it's how many snaps do you face, and I think in both games we've played, we've played more snaps than our other team. We played a game against UCLA a couple years ago, time of possession was 40 to 20. They had 20 more minutes of time of possession, and it was 73‑71 snaps. So they had two more snaps. We won 60‑13. So all I gathered was that they stand around a lot more than we do. So I think when people look at the time of possession, and that's what people look at automatically, time of ‑‑ it's not time of possession, it's plays run is what I look at because you're not exerting any energy if you're just standing in the huddle. Now, if it's drastically different and teams are snapping the ball and getting 80 snaps against us against our defense and we're putting 50 snaps up offensively, then it's an issue.
Q. So they may be on the field longer, may have to be ‑‑
COACH KELLY: We'll teach them how to stand around better.
san diego
at oakland
possibly detroit
thats it thats the list
so you don't see them winning one divisional game ?
i think they win opening night
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2013, 01:01:53 PM
what games on their schedule do you feel real confidant they will win right now?
also they went 1-5 in the division last year....obviously im not going to predict 0-6 in the divsion this year....but is it a real possibility?.....sure
i have a feeling they may split with the giants & cowboys. not so sure on the skins but if the re is one to grab from them it's the first.
1-7 wins are realistic. Tough season to pin down more than that, since both the offense and defense are going through major transitions. If I had to guess, I would guess five or six wins.
0 wins = disgrace
8 or more = hail chip, because this defense doesn't have anywhere close to 8-win talent
the defense is going to be horrific
but i think people are overrating the offense....even if chip is a genius...and while i dont think he is im open to the possibility and wont argue with anyone who thinks otherwise...who does he have to work with on offense to make this offense as romey says it will be "insane"....he could be bill walsh II but his #2 wr is still riley cooper and his qb is still nick vick...he has shady and three te's who dont scare anyone.....thats going to be an insane offense?
chipper will cause even me to perk up if he can get the offense into the top 15 in pts scored
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2013, 10:10:51 AM
chipper will cause even me to perk up if he can get the offense into the top 15 in pts scored
wager?
I'll go in $50 on over 6.5 wins if anyone on here wants to take the other side of that. I don't think this is a playoff team this year but I think 8-8 is more likely than 3-13.
So, you're saying there's a chance....
id give them about a 5% chance to win that game if cousins plays but in general its maybe the least winnable game on the schedule....first game under a new regime...new offensive system new defensive system on the road on national tv in front of 90 thousand.....its not going to be pretty and no one should expect it to be
eagles should be much better in november than they are september....thats the goal....no one should think they are winning the opener in raljon
They'll win and you'll find a way to say "I was right."
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
id give them about a 5% chance to win that game if cousins plays but in general its maybe the least winnable game on the schedule....first game under a new regime...new offensive system new defensive system on the road on national tv in front of 90 thousand.....its not going to be pretty and no one should expect it to be
eagles should be much better in november than they are september....thats the goal....no one should think they are winning the opener in raljon
and RGIII playing his first game since the playoffs and the eagles bringing a new offensive scheme with limited tape...you are way underrating their chances.
There's a lot of terrible uniform design decisions in this game.
D looks great
A 90-yd opening TD drive by the worst team in the NFL. Yep, there's our defense
Lets be reasonable. Can't be expected to stop the jaguars from going 90+ yards.
At least Vick's playing well, right?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 24, 2013, 07:55:12 PM
A 90-yd opening TD drive by the worst team in the NFL. Yep, there's our defense
With their backup qb
Wolff replaced Nate for the 2nd drive
O line looks like shtein. Herremans has had an awful preseason
holy shtein an INT
Hooray, a turnover.
That dog killer/racist hookup is gonna be something this year.
Wost Manneans is getting owned every play
Favre it up some more, Vick.
Glad that the blind pop ups are back now that the job security exists.
That angle by earl Wolff. Not so good.
Vick looks like ass tonight. Not that the interior of the line is helping much but still. No quick reads. He doesn't look comfortable.
I cannot see it but I'm reading on twitter than vinny curry is playing well
Has Brandon McDougle done anything other than nothing?
Yes the only backup playing well. In the backfield every play.
ETA - referencing curry not graham.
vinny curry the na brown of defensive lineman
watch vinny curry for even as few as three plays and you can tell he is not an nfl player
There's plenty of guys on the defense who aren't NFL players, so he doesn't stick out too much.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
vinny curry the na brown of defensive lineman
watch vinny curry for even as few as three plays and you can tell he is not an nfl player
You're drunk!
Your defensive lineman evaluation isn't too hot buddy
so vinny curry fill in the blank _______________
this should be fun
So Vinny Curry fill in the blank asparagus.
I'm not sure how this game works.
and where is the history of my d line eval going haywire....and please dont site bennie logan
I like what little I've seen of this Shepard guy.
I dunno what Foles future is but his pace and tempo is better than Vick's in this offense.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2013, 10:10:15 PM
I like what little I've seen of this Shepard guy.
i like him too....ive been on his bandwagon since high school....problem with him was that he regressed in college....he was a better frosh and soph than he was as an upper classmen....thats
not good
in a best case scenario my thinking was he could athletically upgrade jason avants middle of the field possession receiver spot....a guy that can catch a ball in traffic and not stop drop and roll every time
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 24, 2013, 10:12:42 PM
I dunno what Foles future is but his pace and tempo is better than Vick's in this offense.
i think we can all agree that the qb of the future is not currently residing in novacare
They're all in Jacksonville for the game, silly.
so tonight tells us why bryce brown goes entire preseason games without playing
i said this last season he is going to run himself out of the league
At least Tucker didn't look awful. Tucker? Polk. Polk didn't look awful.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 10:02:34 PM
and where is the history of my d line eval going haywire....and please dont site bennie logan
Bennie Logan
lol....DIE
cant wait to hear old white doods from perkasie call wip from now till the taterskin game saying how nik foles is joe montana reborn
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
cant wait to hear old white doods from perkasie call wip from now till the taterskin game saying how nik foles is joe montana reborn
Still would rather have him running the team week 1 than Vick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
cant wait to hear old white doods from perkasie call wip from now till the taterskin game saying how nik foles is joe montana reborn
Your boy Ang will be lighting that bonfire Monday morning. Guaranteed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
cant wait to hear old white doods from perkasie call wip from now till the taterskin game saying how nik foles is joe montana reborn
Your boy Ang will be lighting that bonfire Monday morning. Guaranteed.
he still hates vick because of the dogfighting....will never come off that
Both him and Rhea are big time Vick haters. Gargano too right?
gargano is like me.....just thinks hes a terrible qb
rhea and ang are all about the dog killin
Then why is she still alive? Heyo!
No, but seriously, dog killing is bad and why are those jackasses still on the air?
Thoughts...
1. The defense is terrible. It's not just that they don't have any talent; it's more the talent they have is so pitiful they can't even do the simple things right. Can't tackle, can't cover, etc... they are going to be absolutely brutal. Jacksonville is hideous and they shredded them with the first team in the game. It's just a crying shame that a franchise that is know for great defenses has allowed this to happen.
2. The offense has the potential to be explosive. If they can somehow figure out how to farging hold onto the ball and not turn it over, they might put up 30-35 every week. And with that defense they'll have to.
3. The special teams is going to be really good. I don't think they're going to need to use Pimp back there because Johnson has it covered. Just hold onto the ball, dipshtein. I also liked what I saw from Henery. He continues to impress.
4. Penalties. It's not just that they seem to get them at the worst times, it's more they seem to be sloppy penalties. I don't know how many times the Jags got first downs from them but it seemed like it happened quite a bit. The holding calls on offense were ridiculous, but then again, they usually are. It's going to be hard enough for this team to win but giving away free first downs to opposing offenses is just inexcusable.
5. I like the hurry up but I'd like to see a more traditional approach occasionally. There's going to be times when this POS defense is going to need a break to collect themselves and if they go bang-bang-bang and out it might be disastrous for this team. They're going to turn it over a lot with Vick in there anyway, so just gear it down once in a while.
6. I'm liking what I'm seeing from the offensive line especially in the run blocking. Jacksonville is pitiful defensively but there were some monster holes to run through last night. If Shady doesn't run for 1,200-1,500 yards this season, something is drastically wrong or Chippa might decide to use the two headed monster approach. He should end up with 1,000 & 1,000. And Brown is just a beast out there too. Needs to goddamn hang onto the ball, though. Jesus... Not crazy about Polk but he did show something last night.
7. The defensive secondary is all-time awful. I shudder to think what genuine opposing qb's are going to do against these shteinheads. The front seven simply has to blitz on every down or at least do whatever they can to disrupt the quarterback because if not they might end up giving up 3 or 4 touchdowns a game. To think this team used to have Dawkins, Samuel & Sheldon Brown and even further back they had Dawkins, Troy Vincent & Bobby Taylor, and now they have this garbage. Just infuriating.
8. It was good to see Celek kick it up a notch last night. He looked better than he has in quite a while. Again... the competition was putrid but he looked better and that's a relief. I like Zach Ertz too.
9. They could do worse than Nick Foles. He's played better than Vick in every sense of the word, but like it or not this is Vick's team and Chippa played it beautifully. Vick will end up getting killed anyway, so when Foles does eventually take over there shouldn't be a mutiny in the ranks.
10. All in all this team seems to be exactly what they look like on paper. A potentially explosive offense that is prone to mistakes (penalties & turnovers). The defense looks like a collection of after school special retards without a hint of athleticism or nastiness. Special teams look very good. Still looking like a 6-8 win team to me although the defense might end up being so terrible that 4-6 might be a more reasonable expectation. They're not going to be bad enough for Teddy B or Clowney and that makes me sad a little. They could surprise us and really be horrible, though, so that's something to hope for, I guess.
the offense cant be explosive without a quarterback....just sayin
You're underestimating Foles. He can be an effective game manager and he already looks like he knows the offense like he's been running it for a decade. He's not Brady or Manning, obviously, but he's a legit NFL QB. Like it or not he's probably the future of the team.
yeah.....not
I guess we'll see. I want Teddy B too but it's just not in the cards. They're going to be better than awful and he's a top-3 pick guaranteed. It's possible they'll be a top 10 pick and they could go up if he's there... again, so there's hope albeit a tiny one.
I'm all for giving Foles a shot and I think higher of him than Havas, but you really can't be serious by saying that Foles looks like a 10 yr vet.
Let's call a spade a spade here. He looks like a 2nd year QB who wasn't a top QB prospect coming out of college who appears to be exceeding the relatively low expectations people had of him when he was drafted. I like his attitude, his size, his IQ, and his hair and I'll root for the guy to get better and hope that the Eagles found a diamond in the rough, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He still has a lot of work to do to prove himself.
Quote from: Rome on August 25, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
I guess we'll see. I want Teddy B too but it's just not in the cards. They're going to be better than awful and he's a top-3 pick guaranteed. It's possible they'll be a top 10 pick and they could go up if he's there... again, so there's hope albeit a tiny one.
why does it matter....nick foles is the future
i didn't say he looks like a ten year vet. i said he looks like he knows the offense like someone who's run it for a decade.
Quote from: Rome on August 25, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
You're underestimating Foles. He can be an effective game manager and he already looks like he knows the offense like he's been running it for a decade. He's not Brady or Manning, obviously, but he's a legit NFL QB. Like it or not he's probably the future of the team.
Objectively, if he was truly the future of the team, he'd be the present of the team.
future foles is kevin kolb +1
typing the name nick foles even bothers me.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 25, 2013, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 25, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
You're underestimating Foles. He can be an effective game manager and he already looks like he knows the offense like he's been running it for a decade. He's not Brady or Manning, obviously, but he's a legit NFL QB. Like it or not he's probably the future of the team.
Objectively, if he was truly the future of the team, he'd be the present of the team.
exactly....he couldnt beat out an inaccurate 34 year old puppy killer
I think he's a better option than Vick and eventually he'll be the starter, probably sooner rather than later.
And again, I'm not saying he's great or anything. He's shown that he's at least a competent NFL starting quarterback, though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2013, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 25, 2013, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 25, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
You're underestimating Foles. He can be an effective game manager and he already looks like he knows the offense like he's been running it for a decade. He's not Brady or Manning, obviously, but he's a legit NFL QB. Like it or not he's probably the future of the team.
Objectively, if he was truly the future of the team, he'd be the present of the team.
exactly....he couldnt beat out an inaccurate 34 year old puppy killer
Do you honestly believe the play on the field is the reason Vick is starting? Honestly?? Please say no because even you aren't this obtuse.
As a matter of fact, if the Jets didn't just dump a 2nd on Geno Smith, and if Sanchez is legitimately hurt (plenty of ifs, to be sure), the odds of Foles playing for the Jets and Marty in return for an above average pick would be a real possibility.
i honestly know thats the case....say what you want about chipper but hes been up front this whole time.....he waited to name a starter because he wanted to see someone win the job...vick won it
ill say it again...the future of this team will be playing on saturdays this year...get off foles dick
Vick is starting because Chip thinks he gives the best chance to showcase his offense this year. That's the only possible reason. It's not because Vick is beloved in Philly, it's not because they're saving Foles for some great plan. If Foles was the future, there'd be zero reason not to play him now. It makes sense to play Foles now, anyway...other than Chip wanting to prove his system can be legit in the NFL. If he thought Foles gave him the best chance to do that, it would be Foles, no doubt about it.
And that's coming from me...who can't stand Vick and would like nothing better than to see Foles start.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
ill say it again...the future of this team will be playing on saturdays this year...get off foles dick
Given the Eagles drafting abilities, the next franchise QB for the Birds is probably playing on Friday nights or in Pee-Wee league right now.
I think this is an oversimplification. Once Vick was brought back and it was an open competition, Kelly couldn't with a straight face start Foles after Vick went 13-15 for 200 yards in the first two games. But it's always a mirage with Vick. That's why the play should've been to not bring back Vick, start Foles who at least looks semi-competent, and see what you have over a whole season where they likely aren't making the playoffs anyway. If Foles sucks draft a QB next year. If he's good and they make the playoffs even better. I don't see how Vick presents anything more than the chance to steal an extra game or two when he's on.
For every game he wins with his feet he loses one with his tendency to fumble, chuck one up for grabs or otherwise do something idiotic with his farging pea-brained antics.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 25, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
I think this is an oversimplification. Once Vick was brought back and it was an open competition, Kelly couldn't with a straight face start Foles after Vick went 13-15 for 200 yards in the first two games. But it's always a mirage with Vick. That's why the play should've been to not bring back Vick, start Foles who at least looks semi-competent, and see what you have over a whole season where they likely aren't making the playoffs anyway. If Foles sucks draft a QB next year. If he's good and they make the playoffs even better. I don't see how Vick presents anything more than the chance to steal an extra game or two when he's on.
Agreed. Vick earned the job after 2 weeks and now that he doesn't have to worry about it (at least for the moment) he immediately reverts back to what he's always been.
igs' punter Brad Wing is the first cut
no-name Will Shaw is the second
Here's the rest of the list, and they need 2 more by Tuesday:
Kenny Phillips
WR Nick Miller
TE Derek Carrier
OT Nic Purcell
OL/DL Isaac Remington
DE Eddie McClam
DT Daryell Walker
CB Eddie Whitley (waived/injured)
LS James Winchester
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 25, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
I think this is an oversimplification. Once Vick was brought back and it was an open competition, Kelly couldn't with a straight face start Foles after Vick went 13-15 for 200 yards in the first two games. But it's always a mirage with Vick. That's why the play should've been to not bring back Vick, start Foles who at least looks semi-competent, and see what you have over a whole season where they likely aren't making the playoffs anyway. If Foles sucks draft a QB next year. If he's good and they make the playoffs even better. I don't see how Vick presents anything more than the chance to steal an extra game or two when he's on.
i totally agree with all this....im just saying theres no extrinsic reason that vick is starting....hes starting cause he won the job...I think chip is pretty straight forward in that aspect
Jamar Chaney was cut too
I thought Whitley would make it through to the next round of cuts at least, but I don't know the story with his injury. Otherwise, the cuts were obvious.
He injured his right knee in last night's game but I don't think they said if anything was torn
Looks like Hunt to IR might be the last move to get to 75
Chipper said the only starters who will see time this week will be in the secondary. Remain calm. This secondary and the Head First Mental Midget, ugh ouch.
I guess they worked on Bryce's fumbling problem today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSm2GbmIcAEyhRo.jpg)
A little bit after this, Brown went down and thought he broke his ankle
Quote from: Don Ho on August 26, 2013, 04:35:47 PM
Chipper said the only starters who will see time this week will be in the secondary. Remain calm. This secondary and the Head First Mental Midget, ugh ouch.
That's okay. Most of the secondary don't play like starters anyway.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2013, 05:07:49 PM
I guess they worked on Bryce's fumbling problem today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSm2GbmIcAEyhRo.jpg)
A little bit after this, Brown went down and thought he broke his ankle
So, if he fumbles, they break his ankle? Good incentive. Actually, breaking his ankle would completely eliminate any chance of him fumbling. Problem-solver.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Philip Hunt was waived to get the roster down to 75
First batch of cuts is out:
linldey
momah
will murphy
dallas reynolds
adrian robinson
matt tennant
antonio dixon
dennis dixon
kavid king
gj kinne
matt kopa
Bad day to be named Dixon. I wonder if they just couldn't tell them apart: "Which one don't we want? Ah, forget it, cut them both."
matthews & watkins have to be two of the final nine.
Kruger to IR
Quote from: smeags on August 30, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
matthews & watkins have to be two of the final nine.
Tucker, Igwenagu, Bamiro, Sims, and Long gotta be gone, right? So that leaves four more.
Maehl vs Shepard at WR. I think one goes.
Then I think you have Marsh, Matthews, Tobin, Hughes, and Watkins fighting for two spots. Yeah, kinda seems to me like Matthews and Watkins will be gone because I think the fireman loses out to Tobin.
Hughes and/or Marsh could be replaced a couple days later.
No farging way Casey Matthews makes this team.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 30, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: smeags on August 30, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
matthews & watkins have to be two of the final nine.
Tucker, Igwenagu, Bamiro, Sims, and Long gotta be gone, right? So that leaves four more.
Maehl vs Shepard at WR. I think one goes.
Then I think you have Marsh, Matthews, Tobin, Hughes, and Watkins fighting for two spots. Yeah, kinda seems to me like Matthews and Watkins will be gone because I think the fireman loses out to Tobin.
Hughes and/or Marsh could be replaced a couple days later.
I'm not sure it's a given Salas makes the team.
A few preseason games ago, I implied that Clay Harbor would have no chance of making the team no matter how well he plays, due to the glut of TEs. Now he seems like a near-lock to make the team, because there are so many sub-NFL quality players on this team to cut before even considering him.
Well put. Sub-NFL quality players. That's exactly what this team feels like.
Go Soul!
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 30, 2013, 06:39:22 PMI'm not sure it's a given Salas makes the team.
True. I see him as more likely to make the team because Shepard is more of a project than a completed player. Both him and Shepard would also be prime candidates to be sacrificed to a pickup player shortly after making the team. It seems mildly retarded to keep like 10 receivers between TEs and WRs, it could be that none of these bubble WRs make it.
Maehl is Chip Kelly's boy and could be the dark horse here.
Quote"Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft — the oneplayer you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He's the best guard on the board." - Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Meet-the-Eagles-2011-Draft-Class.html#ffSocgZaZWyxj8Bh.99
Quote from: SD on August 30, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
"Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft — the oneplayer you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He's the best guard on the board." - Romey, The Morning Homer
David Sims gone. Down to 61.
Michael Bamiro, Danny Watkins, Russell Shepard and Clay Harbor cut
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2013, 01:36:24 PM
Michael Bamiro, Danny Watkins, Russell Shepard and Clay Harbor cut
The only one on that list who isn't a semi surprise is Watkins. Thought Harbor would make it because he can play we/te. Figured Bamiro would make it based off potential...and Shepard want bad as a wr.
Final cuts:
Matthew Tucker
Chris McCoy
Greg Salas
Travis Long
Quote from: Rome on August 30, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
No farging way Casey Matthews makes this team.
He made the team.
Here's your 53: A lot of surprises. They might only be temporarily on the team, once Howie starts making his fantasy football trades.
QB (3): Vick, Foles, Barkley
RB (3): McCoy, Brown, Polk
WR (5): Jackson, Cooper, Avant, Johnson, Maehl
TE (4): Celek, Casey, Ertz, Igwenagu
OL (9): Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Johnson, Barbre, Vandervelde, Kelly, Tobin
DL (7): Thornton, Sopoaga, Cox, Geathers, Logan, Curry, Square
OLB (3): Barwin, Cole, Graham
ILB (5): Ryans, Kendricks, Matthews, Acho, Knott
CB (6): Fletcher, Williams, Boykin, Marsh, Hughes, Poyer
S (5): Allen, Chung, Coleman, Wolff, Anderson
ST (3): Henery, Jones, Dorenbos
WE DID NOT SIGN TEBOW. RIGHT??
I'm hearing this now. For real.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 31, 2013, 04:17:09 PM
DL (7): Thornton, Sopoaga, Cox, Geathers, Logan, Curry, Square
OLB (3): Barwin, Cole, Graham
ILB (5): Ryans, Kendricks, Matthews, Acho, Knott
CB (6): Fletcher, Williams, Boykin, Marsh, Hughes, Poyer
S (5): Allen, Chung, Coleman, Wolff, Anderson
I'd take anyone on the Alabama defense over this shtein.
Quote from: Rome on August 31, 2013, 05:37:06 PM
WE DID NOT SIGN TEBOW. RIGHT??
I'm hearing this now. For real.
Someone's farging with you.
Casey Matthews making it is a joke. Chris McCoy, you know an outside rusher, should have made it.
This team has transitioned to a 3-4 and kept 3 goddamn OLBs, two of which...AREN'T OLB!!
I thought the same thing. Where in hell are all the OLBs? Must be some of the inside guys are that versatile.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 31, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
I thought the same thing. Where in hell are all the OLBs? Must be some of the inside guys are that versatile.
More likely they will pick a cast-off from another team. And then get rid of Emil Igwenagu.
I see the Packers cut Dezman Moses...that is a guy I hope they pick up.
I know IGY is going to jerk off reading this but Kelly might be Reid times infinity with this bullshtein.
Seriously, Casey Matthews is on this team. WHY?
There goes the superbowl. Fire Chip!
Let the Teddy Bridgewater watch begin
Quote from: Rome on August 31, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Seriously, Casey Matthews is on this team. WHY?
Probably because Chip knows him from Oregon. Even against backups he looked pathetic. This d might be worse than NO's D from last season.
Matthews is a good special teams guy. I get that. But he has no business playing otherwise. I'm less annoyed by his presence on the roster than I am at the defensive roster itself. Jesus Christ they're awful. Like embarrassingly awful.
Quote from: Rome on September 01, 2013, 07:27:10 AM
I'm less annoyed by his presence on the roster than I am at the defensive roster itself.
Yeah. Matthews is terrible, but there are a handful of other players who made the team who are just as terrible. It's not like this is news though. The Eagles defensive personnel have been bad for a few years. The main moves this year were attempts to replace some of the terrible players with merely average ones, just to stop the bleeding. What's going to make it a lot uglier is that it's a whole new scheme for most of these guys, which is sure to make the defense worse in the short run. So yeah, they project to be a bottom 5 defense, but that's what most people thought they'd be back in June, too.
By the way, I'd be more concerned about Isaac Sopoaga than Matthews. At this point at his career, I'm not sure that Sopoaga is better at his position than Matthews is at his. And unlike Matthews, Sopoaga is starting, and is guaranteed to actually be on the team this time next week.
There isn't a single player on the starting eleven that would have been a starter on the 2004 Super Bowl team. Kendricks & Cox would have been close, though. That's how far this team has fallen talent-wise on the defensive side. It's shameful, really, and that bookworm douchebag is directly responsible for it. I don't give a damn how many times he throws Banner & Reid under the bus for this. He's the one who took a fairly decent playoff team and turned them into this shtein show.
Remember when Mcdermott would line Graham up some plays at nose then a few plays later have him dropping into coverage? Think about Graham/Cole covering TEs. If I was an OC I'd use a 2 or 3 TE set almost every play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2013, 05:45:24 PMChris McCoy, you know an outside rusher, should have made it.
Claimed off the waiver wire by Gus. So was Clay Harbor.
Curtis Marsh waived. Yay.
Shaun Prater signed.
Practice squad names are starting to come in: Tucker, Bamiro, Long, and Salas are 4 of the 8.
Quote from: SD on September 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM
Remember when Mcdermott would line Graham up some plays at nose then a few plays later have him dropping into coverage? Think about Graham/Cole covering TEs. If I was an OC I'd use a 2 or 3 TE set almost every play.
he learned it from jj......he did the same thing with kearse....I loved jj but i never really understood that philosophy
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 01, 2013, 01:56:08 PM
Curtis Marsh waived. Yay.
Shaun Prater signed.
Practice squad names are starting to come in: Tucker, Bamiro, Long, and Salas are 4 of the 8.
2011 1st round, 2nd round and now 3rd round pick...cut.
Howie Roseman, ladies and gents.
You'll all be happy to know that our all time favorite third rounder is still in the league.
None other than Daniel Te'o-Neshiem.
If T'eo was a 7th round guy as he should have been he would have been a great story lasting as long as he did. Unfortunately he was drafted about 150 spots too high and now he's just another in a long line of epic fargups by those retards.
Seriously, 2 years later and your top 3 picks are history. That is the definition of embarrassing.
career sacks
brandon graham - 8
teo neshammy - 5
I thought we agreed as a group never to mention Brandon Graham's name again until he's released?
Quote"I do think that we have some good players on that side of the ball, and if they play at a high level, we'll have a chance to compete," general manager Howie Roseman said after the Eagles cut the roster to 53 on Saturday.
Compete? Oh goodie. Thank goodness if everything goes right they'll be able to "compete."
Rage-inducing.
Quote from: Rome on September 01, 2013, 10:42:01 AM
He's the one who took a fairly decent playoff team and turned them into this shtein show.
this couldn't be less true. this was andy's show until this year.
huh?
while I dont fully agree with rome because it was a collaborated effort, howie had a huge impact on the makeup of this team today.
andy had final say until the day he was fired. so if you want to blame howie for not doing a complete turnaround in one offseason, so be it. i guess i'm just surprised by everyone's view on the defense...we knew last year it was shtein and we knew going into TC it was going to be shtein, so why is everyone up in arms that the defense looks like shtein after 4 preseason games?
Quote from: SunMo on September 02, 2013, 11:46:24 AM
andy had final say until the day he was fired.
link?
Everyone associated with the team -- owner, GMs, rest of front office, Spads, coaches, players -- can be expected to lie to the media constantly. It's their job to throw up the illusion of united decision-making. No one is ever going to say something like "our current GM made a pick that I'm totally against" or "our GM has no real power, he's a complete figurehead and I call all the shots". But of course those types of situations are often the reality.
Any quote from either the past or the present about who made what decisions is total bullshtein and tells us zero, at least if the quote is made while the person still works for the team. Those quotes are just corporate press releases.
Andy clearly had a lot of power, but beyond a few Mormon players there's always going to be speculation what the extent of his personnel power was. I don't think Lurie would stick with Roseman if he's responsible for years and years of bad decisions that are destroying the value of his team, so if Howie is truly both terrible and calling the shots, I think he'll be gone soon and the problem will sort itself out. I don't see Lurie as a Mike Brown or Ford family type.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: SunMo on September 02, 2013, 11:46:24 AM
andy had final say until the day he was fired.
link?
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/556821-howie-roseman/
I'm not saying Howie isn't responsible but Reid had the final say.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 02, 2013, 12:26:33 PM
I don't think Lurie would stick with Roseman if he's responsible for years and years of bad decisions that are destroying the value of his team
Not that I'm on the Fire Howie bandwagon, but Lurie stuck with Banner and Andy for years while they were farging up his franchise.
howie may be the worst gm ever to run a team, but that will come out in the upcoming 2-3 seasons. you can't look at where they are now and even think that it's his fingerprints on the team.
i know he's a nerd and isn't a "football guy" but i'm going to give him a chance to farg it all up. my all accounts, this last draft was worlds better than the previous 2 years so he (and the people around him he hired like Gamble) may have a clue what they are doing here.
LB Emmanuel Acho released to make room for former Tampa Bay LB Najee Goode.... Casey Matthews must be giving some good head to stay on this damn team...
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Claim-LB-Najee-Goode/5d53f382-694d-40a1-a1e7-4e27e43bd16b
The boy genius ran at least the last 3 drafts and possibly four. Reid had final say but who did the bulk of the work? Howie and his band of retards. Absolving him of sin won't wash with me.
Two safeties added to PS: Trenton Robinson (Niners) and Keelan Johnson (UDFA from Arizona State, just waived by the Dolphins)
Quote from: Rome on September 02, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
The boy genius ran at least the last 3 drafts and possibly four. Reid had final say but who did the bulk of the work? Howie and his band of retards. Absolving him of sin won't wash with me.
I dont think he "ran" three drafts but he also had way more input than i think sunny believes he had....and i totally agree that he deserves blame...but also lets not act like andy was breaking off great draft after great before howie came into the picture....nonetheless there was a clear changing of the guard going on for the last three or four years and that just didnt include andy losing power but also joey b.....banner inc was slowly but surely moving to howie
I don't think it takes much to know that howie was going to be a train wreck...its kind of like knowing danny watkins was going to be a disaster....the question is how much PP decision making is he willing to give to the real football guys...gamble was a great hire if hes allowed to have legit input