Let the igy-ness begin!
Edit - Oh yeah: QB, USC, blah blah blah...
Terrible pick.
If this is the pick that makes IGY give up, then it was totally worth it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2011, 08:08:26 AMthey need to somehow lose out and try and get matt barkley.....socal FTW
Mission accomplished!
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 27, 2013, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2011, 08:08:26 AMthey need to somehow lose out and try and get matt barkley.....socal FTW
Mission accomplished!
can they bring back the west coast offense?
Traded their 4th (101) and a 7th (pick #210) to move up to get him.
things to ponder:
1. why did they bring vick back
2. the perceived notion that chipper wants/needs a mobile qb to run his offense is now blown out the water which bring us to this...
3. what kind of offense is chipper going to run
4. did chipper have any input whatsoever in this pick or was it a howie farg andy in the fat ass special
Chip says they had him rated as a top-50 player on their board and he has all the intangibles you want in a QB. I dunno....odd pick to me, but...
btw that's the 12th Pac-12 player on the Eagles now. Go Chip
I watched all the USC games, Barkley is a tough kid but doesn't seem to fit the Kelly style offense. Plus Barkley had Woods & Lee to throw to, they will make any QB look good even stupid Vick..
I would've loved this pick at this pt if AR was still the coach. Don't really get the fit with Chip.
you have to believe that chip is going to be a coach who caters his offense to his qb rather than find a qb who fits his offense....its the exact opposite of whats always been done but it fits chips MO that hes going to try and turn the league on its head
if nothing else its going to be fascinating to watch
Eagles 2013 playbook:
hand-off to Shady
dump-off to Shady
screen to Desean
screen to Maclin
dump-off to Celek
dump-off to Casey
dump-off to Ertz
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2013, 12:33:56 PM
you have to believe that chip is going to be a coach who caters his offense to his qb rather than find a qb who fits his offense....its the exact opposite of whats always been done but it fits chips MO that hes going to try and turn the league on its head
if nothing else its going to be fascinating to watch
Yep.
The idea that certain players have to be drafted to fit his scheme is being debunked. He'll tailor his scheme to what he has. I think there will be a WCO influence with Shurmur there too - so we'll see how they use everyone.
Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2013, 12:34:54 PM
Eagles 2013 playbook:
hand-off to Shady
dump-off to Shady
screen to Desean
screen to Maclin
dump-off to Celek
dump-off to Casey
dump-off to Ertz
i posted in the other thread that the thousand TE sets now makes sense...because if barkley is the future theres gonna be a whole lot of dinkin and dunkin going on
I think Barkley can be very successful running some west coast hybrid offense built on accuracy and timing. That being said, this is the end for Mr Foles. If you take Scott you stash him as a boom bust player and see if he develops down the line. Barkley is what he is. The ceiling isn't the same so you take him realizing that and expecting him to become your QB IMO and accepting him for what he is.
I don't get how people can say he doesn't fit Chip's offense. People have seen Chip Kelly's NFL offense? Or has everyone been assuming he would simply import the Oregon offense, which he and everyone else involved with the team has been 100% denying from Day 1? If the latter really was his plan, it would have been a disaster and I would have been vocally opposed to his hiring from the start.
Woods and lee to throw to...but he hits them on the run. Something we haven't seen around here in a while. (Info according to my USC fan friend)
Also, another good point he brought up, if chip Kelly's offense doesn't work, at least he has a pro style QB in Barkley to fall back on.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2013, 12:40:58 PMThat being said, this is the end for Mr Foles.
I don't see why that is necessarily the case at all. If Foles outplays Barkley (and weirder things have happened), he could be with the team for a while.
I do think that this indicates that Vick will be with the team for a maximum of one year, which isn't surprising news.
Kelly:
QuoteArm strength is overrated. We're not trying to knock over milk cartons at the county fair.
Silly Chip, he doesn't even know arm strength doesn't help you win that game.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 27, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
I don't get how people can say he doesn't fit Chip's offense. People have seen Chip Kelly's NFL offense? Or has everyone been assuming he would simply import the Oregon offense, which he and everyone else involved with the team has been 100% denying from Day 1? If the latter really was his plan, it would have been a disaster and I would have been vocally opposed to his hiring from the start.
while he hasnt put the playbook on his facebook page hes said numerous times he wants/likes a mobile QB...that doesnt mean hes going to run the same offense in the nfl but its a pretty big hint that he might or at least might run something similar...add in the fact that hes getting all these h back split te types and that hints even more at the oregon offense
this is precisely why the barkley pick is incredibly curious
Maybe is was just smoke so no one would touch Barkley in the draft.
Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2013, 12:46:24 PM
Kelly:
QuoteArm strength is overrated. We're not trying to knock over milk cartons at the county fair.
its pretty clear if you watched oregon under chip kelly that arm strength is not needed in his offense...its not vertical at all....but combine no arm strength with no mobility and it makes you think hes going to run a stereotypical WCO
any chance chip jettisons Vick THIS year and basically have an open competition between foles/barkley?
Didn't this guy's arm fall off? How the hell is he going to play quarterback without a throwing shoulder?
Was Chad Pennington unavailable?
97.5 thinks Foles is going to be traded to Cleveland
for?
Chris Gocong
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
any chance chip jettisons Vick THIS year and basically have an open competition between foles/barkley?
thats crossed my mind more than once today....id say 60-40 vick is not on the opening week roster
I haven't loved a pick as much as this one since Pimp.
Steal of the draft.
In happy because of how much people hate the pick.
I can't dislike anybody named Barkley.
The dude-bro surfer contingent gets another member.
The Eagles are going to finally win that Halo Team Deathmatch tournament this year.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/matt-barkley-plans-push-eagles-starting-qb-job
I love how cocky this kid is.
Starting job? Why not? No problem, babe.
I was all for the Eagles tanking in 2011 so they could get this kid with a top 10 pick. The fact that he stayed for his senior year, had a down year, and fell to them in the 4th round is something that just doesn't happen to the Eagles. This could be one of those picks that 5-10 years from now, about 20 teams in the league are kicking themselves in the ass for not making themselves.
Of course, since it's the Eagles, he'll probably have 1 great game and then die unexpectedly the next day.
Quote from: Rome on May 11, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/matt-barkley-plans-push-eagles-starting-qb-job
I love how cocky this kid is.
Starting job? Why not? No problem, babe.
id be cocky too if i looked at the eagles qb depth chart
It's alright, dude. You'll get used to cheering for someone who looks like a WWII German poster boy.
I always feel bad for guys that start going bald that early.
apparently shady was calling barkley "mark" all day today at practice....when corrected by a reporter he said all along he thought his name was mark
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2013, 03:58:16 PM
apparently shady was calling barkley "mark" all day today at practice....when corrected by a reporter he said all along he thought his name was mark
Awesome. I'm sure Barkely will remember that in his hall of fame speech.
Mark Battley, Philadelphia Eagle
If a team had taken Barkley in the first round how big of a surprise would it be?
not a huge surprise and far less surprising than ej manuel going 16
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2013, 09:51:55 AM
not a huge surprise and far less surprising than ej manuel going 16
My thoughts exactly. Whether or not he amounts to shtein is irrelevant for the conversation I had at work yesterday.
I talk birds at lunch with 3 other guys and the one guy hates the pick because there were other needs. While this is certainly true they took the BPA which is the point we're trying to drive home. I think dook hates USC and anything associated with the school but he actually said there were better QBs on the board at the time.
i was initially upset with it....and i still personally wouldnt have taken him there but im fine with the pick....and i def dont know how you could hate it
Barkley in the first was my fear. I figured they'd trade back, and get him in the later part of the first. In the 4th, how can anyone complain. Kid has skills, last year he was considered one of the top 3 guys in the country. USC qb's need to just realize staying for that senior year doesnt pay off.
you could also say that the league needs to realize that usc qb's suck....or maybe they finally have and thats why he fell
True... All in all, i'm excited to see where this goes from here. Which is more than I would have been saying if Andy was still here.
I'll throw this question out there:
Regardless of round etc. Let's say you could take any QB from the last draft, which QB do you take?
geno smith
Quote from: reese125 on May 14, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
geno smith
Me too. He could be special. Obviously the Jets will screw him up, but with the right organization, who knows?
I wouldn't be super excited about taking any of them, but Barkley is about as good of a prospect of any of them. Not sure that's saying a lot.
Geno Smith seems like a childlike headcase, at least to this point. I'm glad the Eagles didn't take him.
Geno Smith was my #1 ranked, I really liked Nassib if chipper was running the same offense as he did in college.
Geno would have been my #1 pre draft. Maybe he turns out alright, but the post draft firing of his agents and sulking reminds me of Donovan with less talent.
I won't lie I'm waiting for igs to weigh in on this.
i would have taken matt scott
but i dont know shtein about which qb's are going to be good and which ones arent
Honestly, I would have taken Barkley.
After years of having the athletic, running QB with questionable accuracy... I'm ready for the accurate, cerebral QB who can read defenses and pick a defense apart from the pocket. For the most part, those are the QB's winning Super Bowls. Barkley is best suited to do that, IMO.
The fact that they only spent a 4th for that kind of potnential is a big win in my eyes.
its a 4th round pick...the odds of a 4th round pick being a significant contribution on any team--good drafting ones even--are slim
they took a chance on a guy with talent who maybe might be a legit nfl qb. its worth a risk considering finding franchise qbs isnt exactly easy.
remember joe flacco was a later pick. he sucked for a while sure, but he just won a super bowl. you never know.
Are we (you guys) still talking about this?
What's done is done. Mark is here to stay.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:52:12 AM
its a 4th round pick...the odds of a 4th round pick being a significant contribution on any team--good drafting ones even--are slim
they took a chance on a guy with talent who maybe might be a legit nfl qb. its worth a risk considering finding franchise qbs isnt exactly easy.
remember joe flacco was a later pick. he sucked for a while sure, but he just won a super bowl. you never know.
Flacco was 19th overall ???
yeah what the hell is he talking about
Good thing he's not writing about sports for a career
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
You're going to go far in the news industry. I can feel it.
yes obviously 3am postings on a fake internet message board with 3 people on it and real work that im paid to do with my name on it are the same exact thing
This place is fake? I can deal with having wasted 227 days, 9 hrs and 14 minutes of my life on a real message board, but spending all that time on a fake board makes me think it's time to reevaluate my life.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
This would be somewhat excusable if Flacco weren't a local product. Since he is you suck ass.
Quote from: SD on May 15, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
This would be somewhat excusable if Flacco weren't a local product. Since he is you suck ass.
it would be excusable if he was a second or third rounder and he thought he went in the 5th or something.....on no level is it excusable to not know joe flacco was a first round pick
Even Dio knew that. And he hates sports.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: SD on May 15, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
This would be somewhat excusable if Flacco weren't a local product. Since he is you suck ass.
it would be excusable if he was a second or third rounder and he thought he went in the 5th or something.....on no level is it excusable to not know joe flacco was a first round pick
Well, in his defense, it's not like Flacco is a very prominent player. It's not like he QB's for the defending SB champs or anything. I mean, Flacco's only making a little bit above league minimum.
Quote from: Feva on May 15, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: SD on May 15, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
This would be somewhat excusable if Flacco weren't a local product. Since he is you suck ass.
it would be excusable if he was a second or third rounder and he thought he went in the 5th or something.....on no level is it excusable to not know joe flacco was a first round pick
Well, in his defense, it's not like Flacco is a very prominent player. It's not like he QB's for the defending SB champs or anything. I mean, Flacco's only making a little bit above league minimum.
thats probably why he didnt feel like looking it up....a quick google search probably wouldnt have turned much up on him
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 15, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Even Dio knew that. And he hates sports.
dio lives in balmer and doesnt have cable....he is easily more up on the ravens than the eagles
Quote from: Feva on May 15, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: SD on May 15, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
i though he was a 3rd or 5th round pick
i purposely said late round because i was too lazy to specifically look up which round he was taken it
as it turns out my memory is even worse than i thought
This would be somewhat excusable if Flacco weren't a local product. Since he is you suck ass.
it would be excusable if he was a second or third rounder and he thought he went in the 5th or something.....on no level is it excusable to not know joe flacco was a first round pick
Well, in his defense, it's not like Flacco is a very prominent player. It's not like he QB's for the defending SB champs or anything. I mean, Flacco's only making a little bit above league minimum.
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Lol! Good one there.
signed
That's a relief.
LET'S DO THIS!
Barkley switched agencies and is now represented by David Dunn, who also represents Foles and Sanchez. Looking for that huge payday in the CFL
Oh dear God. I have to admit I was a tad bit giddy when they drafted him. Never thought we'd be seeing the next Cade Mcnown?
He'll never be as successful as Cade McNown.
cade mcnown was the 12th overall pick from ucla and was taken to be a franchise qb
matt barkley was the 98th overall from usc and was taken as a project
what a random, and incorrect, reference.
Let me rephrase this, correct it was probably a bad comparison. Like Mcnown, Barkely was projected a top-10 selection for the 2012 NFL Draft. Kiper Jr. projected him to be the #1 pick in the draft after his freshman year. He stayed at USC one more year at it was a complete disaster. I was likening the hype of the 2011 Barkely to Mcnoun. I was psyched when they drafted Barkley. I really thought he could play at the next level. Unlike his predecessors Leinart and Sanchez, he seemed to have football smarts as well as an arm. I keep forgetting he played under farg face Kiffin
socal blondes are not ever gonna be good
NoCal blondes, on the other hand...
nocal keeps it real
stockton yo