Per Schefter
Aka Pat Shurmur
Odd hire.
It's not that odd. Shurmer has a decade (or more) experience at the NFL level. Admittedly his offensive philosophy is about as different as it gets from Kelly's, but that might be a sign that Kelly is willing to accept a more conventional offensive approach than he employed at Oregon. Shurmer also has an intimate knowledge of the Eagles management having worked there forever, so it might also be a question of comfort for Kelly having a guy there who's been there and done that before.
I was concerned there would be NFL virgins across the board in the coaching dept
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2013, 11:07:31 AMAdmittedly his offensive philosophy is about as different as it gets from Kelly's..
Please to explain.
As I understand it, Kelly is a high risk/high reward guy who schemes plays that either go nowhere, or for big gains. There ends my understanding.
Odd in the sense that there is no Kelly/Shurmur connection that I know of. And their offensive philosophies are not very similar. A gambler who runs up tempo along with a traditionalist who likes the short WCO game.
Another middle finger from Lurie/Howie to Banner?
Cements Foles as the initial starter IMO.
Shurmur was O/C in St. Louis and Steven Jackson ran the farg out of the ball while he was there. He also helped mentor Sam Bradford during his rookie season, which is good news for Foles.
People are overly focused on schemes and styles. I have no doubt's it's going to be Kelly's offense to run, I'm guessing he wanted an OC with NFL experience and experience with this specific offense to assist him.
But wait, I thought they ran different offenses?
They did. Pretty much diametrically different, actually, other than using 11 guys.
So again...can someone explain how they differ?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
So again...can someone explain how they differ?
Sure... Shurmer's is more friendly for a goofy, gangly white QB.
have you seen a cleveland game...theres your answer dio.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
So again...can someone explain how they differ?
Shurmur ran a variant of the WCO in St. Louis which employed short passing and running the ball more often than a classic WCO. Kelly ran a no huddle track meet at Oregon. Seriously, they couldn't be more different.
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2013, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
So again...can someone explain how they differ?
Shurmur ran a variant of the WCO in St. Louis which employed short passing and running the ball more often than a classic WCO. Kelly ran a no huddle track meet at Oregon. Seriously, they couldn't be more different.
They go together like lamb and tuna fish.
here's a bunch of info on Kelly's offense at Oregon
http://fishduck.com/playbook/#playbook-offenceanalysis
Christ, I don't have the time to study all this crap.
So don't.
doest really matter anyway...all offensive play calling is going to kelly... trying to employ both to set up various packages, blocking schemes, etc is not a bad idea
i actually like the blend...might be able to bring kelly back down to reality when his science experiment goes array
havas is reese, reese is havas?
I'm sort of enjoying the idea of this team being truly awful.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 20, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2013, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
So again...can someone explain how they differ?
Shurmur ran a variant of the WCO in St. Louis which employed short passing and running the ball more often than a classic WCO. Kelly ran a no huddle track meet at Oregon. Seriously, they couldn't be more different.
They go together like lamb and tuna fish.
Maybe you like spaghetti and meatball? You more comfortable with that analogy?
Crap. Just an improvement in game day sideline savvy would be refreshing. Reid getting habitually punked during cruchtime on national tv was so farged.
It would be nice if the Eagles could run a hurry up offense for more than two plays in a row before going back to the huddle so they can figure out which play they want to run next (and then calling a time out when the play clock catches them out before the snap).
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2013, 11:50:42 AM
havas is reese, reese is havas?
im not a fan of the hire one bit but im still a fan
im really trying here to give them some credit around this monkey science experiment
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 12:04:06 PM
It would be nice if the Eagles could run a hurry up offense for more than two plays in a row before going back to the huddle so they can figure out which play they want to run next (and then calling a time out when the play clock catches them out before the snap).
that would require an intelligent qb first that knows how to run a hurry up. cant even remember when...
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 20, 2013, 11:16:42 AM
Cements Foles as the initial starter IMO.
My initial reaction as well
Shurmur may not be a good HC but he's a good QB guy. The offense is going to revolve around the spread that Chip Kelly implements. Chip is smart enough to know that the QBs he had run his system in college won't translate to the NFL. So he brings in a guy who can groom a young QB who also has experience running a pro style offense. Chip is going to run his offense but he's going to use Shurmur's knowledge to make it mesh at the NFL level while simultaneously having Shurmur develop Foles. It's a good hire and a smart hire.
I drink and watch football a lot but also have a Masters degree, so I'm going to diagnose you as thoroughly awesome.
I posted the same thing on the EMB.
Dick.
EMB sounds like a terminal illness.
shurmurs offense is irrelevant....the OC position is irrelevant when you have an offensive genius hed coach....shurmur will essentially be a glorified qb coach
one theory floated around (and this might have been mentioned, and if it was, so what, im not reading through this trainwreck discussion) is that since schurmur and roseman have the same agent, this could all be a ploy to get pat a better job
if its not, it could be a marty-like hire. just like marty became andy's oc for life, pat could too. marty wasnt getting another hc job. neither is pat.
Angelo had a Cleveland sports radio guy on this morning and both said Chip can't be that smart if he's hiring a loser like Shurmur. I don't get the hate. Yea he sucked as a head coach (and I was surprised when the Browns made that move because I didn't think he established himself enough to warrant a HC position), but it's gonna be Chip's offense anyway so what's the big deal?
You don't understand why sports radio hosts would engage in a flame war to rile up the idiots (no offense) who listen to them?
Seriously, Ed?
:-D
I don't understand why Jerry Springer has midgets and hoes on his show either. And why doesn't he just bolt the chairs to the floor?
I get why the hosts are doing it but I've seen other people complaining about it because it wasn't Whisenhunt or some other established guy. Who cares
on the face its an awful hire...thats why people are complaining....i agree that hes gonna be just a qb coach but still its doesnt look good to the average fan
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2013, 12:13:50 PM
on the face its an awful hire...thats why people are complaining....i agree that hes gonna be just a qb coach but still its doesnt look good to the average fan
As an abnormally advanced fan, what are your thoughts?
People are complaining because they're farging simpletons.
News at 11:00.
Us included? Or is :CF exempt?