as of now only four teams have less wins than the eagles and they play one of them (carolina)
I don't know much about college ball, but which of the consensus top five guys is most likely to bust?
That's Howie's man.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 18, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
I don't know much about college ball, but which of the consensus top five guys is most likely to bust?
That's Howie's man.
trade back a couple times and pick at like 27....use the extra picks to get a few more dennis kellys
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 18, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
I don't know much about college ball, but which of the consensus top five guys is most likely to bust?
That's Howie's man.
trade back a couple times and pick at like 27....use the extra picks to get another quarterback and speedy linebacker
That sounds like something I would not wear.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2012, 08:40:12 PM
as of now only four teams have less wins than the eagles and they play one of them (carolina)
Records and "winnable" games left:
Chiefs 1-9 (Panthers, Browns, Raiders)
Jags 1-9 (Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Titans x2)
Browns 2-8 (Raiders, Chiefs, Skins)
Panthers 2-8 (Eagles, Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders)
Birds (Panthers, Skins) and Raiders (Browns, Chiefs, Panthers, Chargers) both 3-7
Rams (Cardinals, Bills) 3-6-1
Looking good for at least a top 5 pick. Huge Chiefs/Jags/Browns/Panthers fan starting about 6 hours ago.
yep, bucs comeback and Cleveland/Jax blowing those games was huge. Way more disappointing than the Eagles result today.
They would've had the #3 pick right now if Cleveland and Carolina held on and Oakland had beaten the Saints, but they're sitting at #6 instead
Top guys to watch for:
QB = Geno Smith (WV), Matt Barkley (USC)
OT = Luke Joeckel (A&M), Taylor Lewan (Michigan), Jake Matthews (A&M, Bruce's kid)
OG = Chance Warmack and Barrett Jones (both Bama)
DE = Bjoern Werner (FSU), Damontre Moore (A&M), Sam Montgomery (LSU)
DT = Johnathan Hankins (OSU), Star Lotulelei (Utah)
OLB = Jarvis Jones (UGA), Barkevious Mingo (LSU, DE/LB mix)
MLB = Manti Te'o (ND)
CB = Dee Milliner (Bama), Johnthan Banks (Miss St)
S = Eric Reid (LSU)
Of course the first thing I looked at on Ed's list was Safety.
Quote10/23/2012 - OCT 22 NFL DRAFT SCOUT FALLER: FS ERIC REID, LSU...Arguably the top safety prospect in the nation, LSU free safety Eric Reid has appeared in the first round of just about every mock draft my colleague Rob Rang and I have done so far for the 2013 NFL Draft. And while his talent and tools scream top-32 pick, he has shown some maddening inconsistency this season. Reid is a fantastic downhill athlete with quick read-and-react ability to attack the play with steam spurting from his ears. But his biggest strength is also his greatest weakness, playing with nonstop aggressiveness and intensity, but he doesn't always control that hostility in a smart way on
the football field. On Saturday against Texas A&M, Reid, like most weeks, was basically used as an extra linebacker, lining up in the box. He attacked the Aggies quickly, but over-aggressively as well, getting sucked in and biting on fakes and misdirection. Reid also recorded a costly personal foul penalty for a late hit out of bounds, a dumb mistake and example of his inability to control his intensity at times. He throws his body around and might be the most violent striker in the SEC, but if Reid doesn't learn how to play smarter and harness his fierce playing style then he'll have a tough time making a living in the NFL. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 18, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
I don't know much about college ball
Congrats, you're the new GM.
if Andy is still involved...
Jake Matthews (A&M, Bruce's kid)
Book it.
Imo, how do you not draft offenseive line with the first pick? Even the first and third? At this point, you have to draft your most glaring need.
Would the smartest guys in the room go with the obvious pick? Of course not.
Well, we can only hope Lurie cleans house and the smartest guys in the room are different people.
Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinert proved you don't want to draft a USC QB in Round 1.
Same with Carson Palmer, Todd Marinovich and Pete Beathard. It's like drafting a Florida QB...
Palmer was decent until his knew blew up
chiefs - 1 - carolina
panthers - 2 - at eagles, at chiefs
jaguars - 2 - at buffalo
browns - 3 - at oakland
raiders - 3 - browns
eagles - 3 - panthers, at dallas
very favorable matchups next week to make a power move.....gotta lose tonight tho
pete beat hard.
#5 if they lose, #8 if they win. If the Giants had lost last night, the Eagles could've had a coin flip tie with the Browns for #4
Really want Te'o but we know they'll never use a 1st on a LB, he probably can't play weak-side, and it doesn't sound like they're planning to dump DeMeco anytime soon. Jones won't fall to them and he's strong-side anyway. Lotulelei and Hankins are probably 3-4 guys, and no farging way on another 1st-rd DE bust. If none of the OTs are available, I guess it's Milliner or a trade down...
teo is not going to be a good pro.....its completely laughable to consider taking him in the top 5....get off that notre dame dick
Not on ND's dick at all. They're gonna lose to the SEC champ
So who do you want?
the white guy
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 26, 2012, 12:56:38 PM
So who do you want?
way early but i love jonathan hankins and chance warmack....also absolutely love logan thomas' upside....but at this point (if he even comes out) hes a boom or bust guy that would be to much of a risk pick for a team like the eagles that needs to address a multitude of positions
So, basically, they'll draft him is what you're saying.
Quote from: hbionic on November 26, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
So, basically, they'll draft him is what you're saying.
no....they will be looking for the next brandon graham
LBs are like RBs, you can find decent ones in the later rounds...except if you're the Eagles. I'd pass on Teo.
Hopefully the new coach understands that this defense is a mess and they draft the shtein out of defensive players.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2012, 11:05:30 AM
chiefs - 1 - carolina
panthers - 2 - at eagles, at chiefs
jaguars - 2 - at buffalo
browns - 3 - at oakland
raiders - 3 - browns
eagles - 3 - panthers, at dallas
very favorable matchups next week to make a power move.....gotta lose tonight tho
holy farging shtein, totally forgot they were playing tonight. still not sure if that's a good thing
but Brandon Graham is getting so many pressures..
Only on his bladder.
1 Chiefs
2 Jaguars
3 Raiders
4 Browns
5 Eagles
6 Panthers
7 Chargers
8 Bills
9 Jets
10 Titans
They'll end up with the 2nd overall pick for the new coach...sounds familiar
Isnt this about where they were last year before they dashed our hopes?
They were sitting at #6 when they were 4-8 and won those last four meaningless games. The taterskins ended up with #6 and traded up for RGIII. Good times
I just went to look at the same thing. I guess the half full glass would say with RG here they'd win a few more games a year and Andy would be here til 2020.
Or they'd have traded with Washington and we'd have all killed ourselves.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 27, 2012, 12:48:12 AM
Or they'd have traded with Washington and we'd have all killed ourselves.
Which at this point sounds like the better alternative.
but think of all the DEs we'd have.
I don't even know where to begin with the draft, maybe just BPA throughout.
I actually had several moments tonight of lol and none of anger. That's about where I'm at. They have so many areas of need, especially with Peters and Kelce being question marks. And it is sad to say with Shady, but bad concussions don't bode well for a RB. It is bad when the position that least needs an upgrade is kicker, and even he doesn't have a great leg, just accurate. I've never seen it like this.
Can anyone think of another position that doesn't need an upgrade? At best they need at least 1 more quality player at WR, TE and LB. Everything else sucks. How bad is it when Colt Anderson is the best player on the team.
Actually, how bad is it when I don't even know who Colt Anderson is? Should I?
mingo or jones have to be the picks
they cant waste a top 10ish pick on some interior lineman or corner. need a playmaker, need someone who is going to do SOMETHING on defense.
Quote from: hbionic on November 27, 2012, 03:02:41 AM
Actually, how bad is it when I don't even know who Colt Anderson is? Should I?
It just means you know as much about their special teams as Bobby April.
Anderson is their ace, leading them in ST points even with missing 3 games. And yes, you are a bad fan.
There's points on special teams?
Quote from: hbionic on November 27, 2012, 03:02:41 AM
Actually, how bad is it when I don't even know who Colt Anderson is? Should I?
hes been on the team for three years
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 27, 2012, 12:35:45 AM
They were sitting at #6 when they were 4-8 and won those last four meaningless games. The taterskins ended up with #6 and traded up for RGIII. Good times
if they had done that you and 90% of other eagle fans would have destroyed them for giving up to much
When games used to matter, some coach, maybe Juan, liked to make sure Colt Anderson was playing safety in key situations.
Will they lure a competent coach with Foles at QB? :paranoid
I don't see why not. New coaches seem to want to draft their own QB anyway.
What's the word on Geno Smith, legit 1st round QB prospect or 2nd round guy who will go in the 1st because he's a QB? Haven't caught many West Virginia games this season.
i dont know where hes projected....but from watching him a lot this year i see incredible skills but hes a horrible decision maker....also the offense was 100% tailored around him for max production...not gonna be tht way in the nfl....so to me its a big question how he adapts to the league....he also came up real small in some big games this year
hes a 3rd or 4th rounder to me
I say 2nd rounder and I'm still driving the Geno 2 Philly wagon.
i see akili smith
#4 if they lose this game, #6 if they win
http://www.thebutkusaward.com/thebutkusawards/watchlist/pastwinners.aspx (http://www.thebutkusaward.com/thebutkusawards/watchlist/pastwinners.aspx)
Just to have one of these picks other than McClain would have been a real treat.
(http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2011/12/29/17/11/q6wRx.SlMa.80.jpg)
Arthur Brown Jr, brother of Bryce, GET!
I loved Mikey Miss today after people were calling in praising Bryce Brown. Typical Missanelli with his "It's two games people". Two pretty damn good games minus the fumbles.
It is just two games.
But it's two games behind a zesty OL and it's two games where he's shown speed and power.
Gotta fix the fumbling though.
Mikey Miss needs to pipe down
Exactly, two games with 178 and 169 yards rushing back to back behind this abomination of an O Line is truly amazing.
wins - team - this week
2 - jacksonville - jets - i like this spot for the jags
2 - chiefs - at browns - someone gotta win
3 - panthers - atlanta - LOSS
3 - eagles - at tampa - just lose baby
4 - lions - at packers
4 - browns - at chiefs
4 - cardinals - at seattle
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
#4 if they lose this game, #6 if they win
easy, why do the raiders get the tiebreaker?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2012, 03:21:46 AM
It is just two games.
But it's two games behind a zesty OL and it's two games where he's shown speed and power.
Gotta fix the fumbling though.
Mikey Miss needs to pipe down
He was going on about it yesterday because apparently someone on one of the shows before him brought up Bo Jackson
I saw Roob mentioned Bo's first two starts and say it didn't stack up to Bryce "Jim" Brown
Quote from: DH on December 04, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
#4 if they lose this game, #6 if they win
easy, why do the raiders get the tiebreaker?
raiders sos is much lower
carolina and eagles are neck and neck....but carolina vs atlanta this week is significant
If Carolina and the Eagles finish with the same record, wouldn't the Eagles get the higher pick since they lost the head to head matchup?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 04, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
If Carolina and the Eagles finish with the same record, wouldn't the Eagles get the higher pick since they lost the head to head matchup?
no
its strictly by sos
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2012, 11:35:11 AM
I saw Roob mentioned Bo's first two starts and say it didn't stack up to Bryce "Jim" Brown
It's hard to tell if he's pulling off a 2009 Jerome Harrison or he's the real deal.
Just as long as he keeps fumbling away at the end of games this season, I hope he runs for a million yards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 04, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
If Carolina and the Eagles finish with the same record, wouldn't the Eagles get the higher pick since they lost the head to head matchup?
no
its strictly by sos
that's smart
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 04, 2012, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 04, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
If Carolina and the Eagles finish with the same record, wouldn't the Eagles get the higher pick since they lost the head to head matchup?
no
its strictly by sos
that's dumb
the worst teams in the league should pick first...not who beat who in a random week
so much changes from week to week in the nfl much less thruout an entire season...for example the raiders stink in a divison full of bad teams...thats an indicator of true zestyness versus lets say oakland beating the eagles in week 3
Good point
You're mom's a good point.
Birds get the #1 pick in the draft who do you take?
Does it matter, they're going to farg it up anyway.
Is there a game changer coming out in the draft this year? I have no clue.
that surprises me HB, you're usually on top of that stuff
Here's the SOS records of the top 10 teams as of now:
Raiders = 89-103
Chargers = 89-103
Chiefs = 97-95
Eagles = 98-94
Panthers = 99-93
Browns = 99-93
Titans = 103-89
Jaguars = 106-86
Cardinals = 106-86
Lions = 108-84
Coming up in the last 4 weeks:
KC @ Cleveland
KC @ Oakland
Carolina @ San Diego
Oakland @ Carolina
Oakland @ San Diego
Jets @ Jacksonville
Jacksonville @ Tennessee
get colt anderson!!
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2012, 01:52:32 PM
Birds get the #1 pick in the draft who do you take?
Jarvis Jones? Or are we sick of the dlinemen getting taken in the first round?
Would he even be a 4-3 lineman?
I haven't watched a ton of Georgia but I don't recall seeing him line up at DE. I thought he was always a SAM
his position in college has been pass rusher....he rarely if ever drops back in coverage...and is almost exclusively on the edge whether as an end or outside the end
he reminds me so much of von miller...the one slight difference is that imo jj is a much better tackler...i think he will be a guy that is always near the league leaders in FF...i think jj would ideally play in a 3-4 but hes such a talent he can play in any d...id move him all over the place and just let him go after the qb and run around the field and wreck shop
I want Te'o. He's the next Seau (w/o the lead poisoning).
Lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 06:25:10 PM
his position in college has been pass rusher....he rarely if ever drops back in coverage...and is almost exclusively on the edge whether as an end or outside the end
he reminds me so much of von miller...the one slight difference is that imo jj is a much better tackler...i think he will be a guy that is always near the league leaders in FF...i think jj would ideally play in a 3-4 but hes such a talent he can play in any d...id move him all over the place and just let him go after the qb and run around the field and wreck shop
yeah I think JJ is ideally suited for a 3-4.
top of the draft is so underwhelming to me compared to recent years. I guess if he's there you take Joeckel but I'm not wildly enthusiastic about it. Still wouldn't be surprised to see Barkley re-enter the conversation for a top-5 pick if his workouts go well.
still a long way to go before we can even think about who to take...need to see where they end up...a couple wins this month and they might be picking 10 or 11...also gotta let the juniors declare...and see where jason peters sits as far as his rehab
Taking a tackle in the top 5 scares the farg outta me.
I just want someone in charge who isn't gonna farg it up.
Quote from: Rome on December 04, 2012, 07:41:19 PM
Taking a tackle in the top 5 scares the farg outta me.
I just want someone in charge who isn't gonna farg it up.
Why? You get a stud Tackle, Peters comes back, Herremans goes back to G, suddenly the O-line looks decent.
the big offseason question for them is the secondary...its concievable that not a single member of it comes back...of course its arguably the single worst corner/safety draft ever
get Honey Badger
Thanks to Carolina, Cleveland and San Diego all winning, the Eagles didn't hurt themselves too bad with that win. Assuming Detroit loses at Green Bay, they'll stay at #4 if the Seahawks win
So lose out and get 4?
IN
I think the order just changed because they are awarding Arizona the #1 overall
cept the eagles got routed by that team
and "that team" beat the seahawks week 1. the team that just beat them 58-0. no clue wtf happened out there. had to figure the start was a mirage, but not this bad. jesus.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2012, 10:03:47 PM
cept the eagles got routed by that team
it's only strength of loss and head to head doesn't matter.
When the day is done they both suck ass.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 10, 2012, 12:39:44 AM
and "that team" beat the seahawks week 1. the team that just beat them 58-0. no clue wtf happened out there. had to figure the start was a mirage, but not this bad. jesus.
they also amazingly won at new england
Yeah.
And killed my suicide pick that week. farging chumps
So since this draft doesn't really have what the experts call an elite player, do we want the Eagles to draft the OT or CB with the 4th-ish pick, or trade down to draft more players since they have so many holes? I guess it's impossible to tell until we see how everything shakes out, but I don't think I've ever been this eager for the offseason to start.
It entirely depends upon who is calling the shots in the draft.
They have to go OT unless they can get one in free agency. And I mean a top notch guy and they aren't usually available from anywhere. There's a minute chance Ryan Clady or Jake Long might be available but I doubt it. Why would Denver or Miami let them get away? There's lower tier guys after them with Branden Albert being just a shade lower, but again, why would KC let him walk?
Whenever tackles hit the market, and the Eagles need them, they throw money at the fast. Okay, that happened three times, but two of those players turned out to be pretty good.
I hear that Miami is willing to let Long go after the season without tagging him.
Didn't they just IR him or something? Or was that someone else?
I hardly follow this crap anymore, I have to admit.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 10, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
Didn't they just IR him or something? Or was that someone else?
I hardly follow this crap anymore, I have to admit.
No you're correct he tore his triceps. If he hit the market he's a guy they should be interested in. I'm all for filling holes on the OL via Free Agency and using the draft for other areas [and there are plenty]
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 10, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
I hear that Miami is willing to let Long go after the season without tagging him.
If I understand correctly, they used the franchise tag on him for this season. According to the new cba, the Dolphins would have to pay 120% of his salary if they were to use the tag on him for a consecutive year.
signing long would be similar to when andy signed runyan...both 6'7 white offensive tackles both 27 years old
I really haven't paid much attention to Miami in recent years (has anyone?) but how was Long doing down there before he got hurt?
hes very very good...especially at pass protect
you forgot he played at Michigan
yet he's not as hairy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
hes very very good...especially at pass protect
Word has been that he's regressed from his first year or two
lol - is he better than demetress bell or farging king dunlap?
if so, sign him up.
Peters
Mathis
Kelce
Herremans
Long
fap fap fap
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2012, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
hes very very good...especially at pass protect
Word has been that he's regressed from his first year or two
Well, Juan is pretty good at- wait, I mean Howard Mudd will know how to- dammit. We might be in for a few years of really zesty offensive linemen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
someone with functional knees
somebody better
somebody much better
Herremans
Long
IN
Peters' knees are good
Mathis is good
Kelce is good
mathis is 100% back...hes actually had a decent year and just signed a long term deal
kelce is on a super cheap rookie deal and needs to be pushed in camp by someone...hes much more vulnerable
peters had (2) achilles injuries not knee
Even Miami isn't dumb enough to let a top-5 LT hit the market.
Although the Eagles will literally have something like $40 mill in cap space next year, no?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
peters had (2) achilles injuries not knee
That's what he said, his knees are good. ;)
Quote from: methdeez on December 12, 2012, 01:00:49 AM
Even Miami isn't dumb enough to let a top-5 LT hit the market.
Although the Eagles will literally have something like $40 mill in cap space next year, no?
He's going to hit the market. It's the same thing as Mario Williams last year. Would have had to pay something $23 mil to franchise him. It'll be something similar for Long.
I'm sure they'll try to re-sign him, but Long would be a dumbass not to test the market.
they might not....in fact their second round pick from last year jonathan martin is essentially getting a four game tryout to see if they even want long back
Long's old lady is pretty good looking
McShay has the Eagles taking Joeckel in his first mock. Top 3 are Lotulelei, Moore and Werner, with Hankins going to Carolina at #5
While it would be a great pick as far as needs go, is there anything more boring than waiting months for the draft knowing the team will be taking an OL?
if it was a tony boselli type prospect id be as fired up for a tackle as any other position...but in this case i agree
Quote
Here's his top 10.
1. Kansas City Chiefs - Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
3. Oakland Raiders - Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
4. Philadelphia Eagles - Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Here's what McShay had to say.
The Eagles have major concerns along the offensive line, and also have a need at cornerback. The line situation will improve when C Jason Kelce and OTs Jason Peters and Todd Herremans return from injured reserve next season, but you could not fault Philadelphia for taking the best available offensive tackle. Joeckel is a smart, technically sound and tough player in the mold ofJoe Thomas, and Joeckel started all 37 games at left tackle in his first three seasons with the Aggies. He could play right tackle opposite Peters and allow Herremans to move inside to guard.
5. Carolina Panthers - Johnathan Hankins*, DT, Ohio State
6. Tennessee Titans - Barkevious Mingo*, DE, LSU
7. Detroit Lions - Dee Milliner*, CB, Alabama
8. Arizona Cardinals - Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
9. San Diego Chargers - Taylor Lewan*, OT, Michigan
10. Cleveland Browns - Chance Warmack*, G, Alabama
As for other notable names that have come up here... He has Manti Te'o going #11 to the Bills, Jarvis Jones #13 to the Saints and Matt Barkley not as a first rounder.
I'd be fine with Joeckel but I also wouldn't mind trading down
detroit and arizona two other teams with 4 wins play each other this week so the birds have to move up
carolina is at sd
tennessee hosts the jets
3 win oakland has a very winnable game vs kc
nm
giovanni bernard who in a normal year would have no business going pro has declared....hes probably the first second or third rb in the draft now but in one of the weakest rb drafts ever means he will go second round....this is sad as an eagle fan because its shows how awful a draft it is
Good thing they're not after RBs, he'll just push another mediocre prospect a little closer to them.
Prospect video
http://youtu.be/gODZzSOelss
I've caught there show on comedy central a few times. They're really up and down. Sometimes they knock one out of the park (like this one) and other times I want to kick my tv.
This is farging hilarious though.
I thought it was pretty terrible
The names were great.
wow. that was awful.
You're awful.
Not as awful as your face which is like the most awfullest thing ever. Awful.
I don't disagree with that in the least. But that still doesn't change the fact that a lot of the names in that video were awesome.
Dan Smith.. BYU... Soon to be Philadelphia Eagle.
Those names were pretty funny. I laughed.
Ok, maybe it sucked a little.
farg these humorless morons. That was funny. Yes, it could have ended sooner, but it was funny.
Best part was Dan Smith BYU.
:CF where sarcasm and a sense of humor go to die.
I say humorless morons with all the love and respect you deserve from me. :-*
I'm having an issue with humorless morons. Too strong. I don't like myself right now. I'm a moron.
I need a hug.
That's a lot of Jeff Garcia on one page
At least he understands that he's a moron. I mean hbionic, not Jeff Garcia.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2012, 11:35:21 PM
detroit and arizona two other teams with 4 wins play each other this week so the birds have to move up - WN
carolina is at sd - WIN
tennessee hosts the jets
3 win oakland has a very winnable game vs kc - WIN
there are now only two teams in the entire nfl who have less wins than the eagles
jags - 2
chiefs - 2
eagles - 4 - (washington, at new york giants)
lions - 4 (atlanta, chicago)
raiders - 4 (at carolina, at san diego)
titans - 4 (new york jets, at green bay, jacksonville)
3 Oakland (4-10) = 102-122
4 EAGLES (4-10) = 115-109
5 Detroit (4-10) = 125-97 + SF and TEN
6 Tennessee (4-9) = 115-107 + NE and NYJ
They're a Raider road win away from #3. Detroit and Tennessee winning another game would be nice too, which would give the Birds the 3rd pick in every round
titans are winning monday night so lock down the 3 seed
if kc or jax win out can the eagles get to the 2?
The Jags have a higher SOS right now, so it's possible
raiders last two games are winnable. eagles really could end up with #3, not that it matters much with this class (though I think KC or Jax may reach and draft Geno or Barkley is they think it's justifiable given how badly they need a QB)
good point on the qb needs....i think what you will see is a lot of trade backs in this draft because there isnt any standout players
and nothing makes me feel better than knowing howie will be the one doing the wheeling and dealing
howie!
As long as we're all prepared in advance for every draft pick sucking.
only hope is that howie didnt have as much input as we think in 2010 and 11...and that he had more in 2012....cause that draft looks decent
the other hope is hes really a 6 year old first grader from newtown, connecticut
Quote from: General_Failure on December 17, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
As long as we're all prepared in advance for every draft pick sucking.
How is that different than what we are used to?
Quote from: hbionic on December 17, 2012, 02:19:51 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 17, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
As long as we're all prepared in advance for every draft pick sucking.
How is that different than what we are used to?
One of the guys who sucks will be a higher draft pick than we are used to. Just prepare yourself by thinking of Freddie Mitchell as a ceiling of what to expect from that first rounder.
Figures the Eagles are in a Flyers like draft year with JVR
its even worse than that....at least there was a clear number one in the nhl that year...theres not a clear anything in the nfl this coming draft
god why couldnt this have been last year...they could have had the white quarterback or andrew luck....instead they might get an OT who doesnt even carry an elite grade.....
this is how you go 50+ years without a championship
Tennessee won, so the Eagles are 2 losses away from having a top-5 pick in every round
I can't wait until they farg it up by beating the Giants.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 18, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
I can't wait until they farg it up by drafting in the top 5 in each round.
Where's my update Ed
-- Eagles lose, Raiders win (@SD) = #3
-- Eagles lose, Raiders lose = #4
-- Eagles win = pick anywhere from #4 to #7 depending on what Detroit (CHI), Buffalo (NYJ) and Cleveland (@PIT) do
1 Chiefs 2-13 (128-124)
2 Jaguars 2-13 (135-117)
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3 Raiders 4-11 (118-134)
4 EAGLES 4-11 (128-124)
5 Lions 4-11 (143-109)
6 Bills 5-10 (123-129)
7 Browns 5-10 (126-126)
8 Titans 5-10 (129-123)
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9 Cardinals 5-10 (141-111)
Each team has only 3 games left that can affect SOS (whoever they're playing and the two non-common games), so unless you're within 4 wins/losses of someone now, you can't catch them.
I have a feeling they're going to beat the Giants next week thus farging them out of a top 5 pick
i love philly fans
when their team is good they think theyll lose
when their team is bad they think theyll win and cost them draft positioning
negadelphia hello
So if I'm understanding this right if the Raiders win we get the 3rd pick if they lose we get the 4th pick
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
So if I'm understanding this right if the Raiders win we get the 3rd pick if they lose we get the 4th pick
yes....and stop saying we
So it looks like "we'll" be picking 4th
"they'll"
"Aisle"
Easy - picks by round please.
1 = #4
2 = #35 (3rd)
3 = #67 (5th)
4 = #98 (4th)
5 = 3rd (#129 or later depending on comp picks)
6 = Denver's pick
7 = 4th (#194 or later depending on comp picks), Cleveland's pick
Thanks.
Gotta nail this one. Anyone confident?
Confident that they'll trade back a hundred times and finally draft someone in the third round? Of the 2014 draft? Yes.
howie i see as ultra aggresive.....if a move is made its gonna be him trading up and trying to make a statement
and no i have zero confidence he will do the right thing
#4 will be hard to mess up, so they'll trade the pick for #10 and an additional 2nd and late round pick because it's not how high you pick it's how many picks you have, that philosophy worked wonders over the past 8 seasons. I'd actually be fine with a safe pick like Joeckel. The line would shape up nicely, you'd have a good ground game and would give Foles an opportunity to succeed.
The rest of the draft I'd spend on DBs.
Anyone have a pending free agency list?
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
#4 will be hard to mess up, so they'll trade the pick for #10 and an additional 2nd and late round pick because it's not how high you pick it's how many picks you have, that philosophy worked wonders over the past 8 seasons. I'd actually be fine with a safe pick like Joeckel. The line would shape up nicely, you'd have a good ground game and would give Foles an opportunity to succeed.
The rest of the draft I'd spend on DBs.
Anyone have a pending free agency list?
If they could trade back a couple picks and get a 1st rounder next year I might be in for the trade.
Otherwise just take the OT and don't farg up the rest of the draft
Is anyone stupid enough to do that in a weak ass draft? I doubt it, but I'd be all over that. Lewan the OT from Michigan is probably a top 10 pick.
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
Anyone have a pending free agency list?
id like to know this as well....because thats the only place they are getting db's....this is the weakest db draft in a long time....they shouldnt use any picks on it....without knowing how things will fall id go OL first three picks...its a great draft for that position
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DB&y=2013
what happened to those kevin kolb picks
was that last draft
Quote from: MDS on December 30, 2012, 09:12:52 PM
what happened to those kevin kolb picks
anthony spencer is on tv right now
Quote from: Dillen on December 30, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DB&y=2013
Awesome, they can get Sheldon Brown back.
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
#4 will be hard to mess up
I think they are definitely capable of messing up the #4 pick, especially in a weak draft class.
Here are your previous ten #4s for comparison. The Eagles have an opportunity to kill a hot streak here:
2003 - Dewayne Robertson - bust
2004 - Philip Rivers - arguable
2005 - Cedric Benson - headcase
2006 - D'Brickashaw Ferguson - good pick
2007 - Gaines Adams - dead
2008 - Darren McFadden - arguable
2009 - Aaron Curry - bust
2010 - Trent Williams - good pick
2011 - A.J. Green - good pick
2012 - Matt Kalil - good pick
any of the top five picks this year have trade back written all over them
Quote from: Dillen on December 30, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DB&y=2013
Jairus Byrd would be a nice pick up. There's some decent names on that list, much better than the slop they have now.
Maybe someone will be desperate for Joeckel or one of the DTs, but I don't see anyone trading up
and after his shtein effort in the Bronx snow, I wouldn't be surprised if Geno Smith fell out of the top 5
he was never going in the top 5
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
he was never going in the top 5
I disagree...a lot of mocks had him cemented top 5 and teams don't mind taking a chance on a qb early.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 30, 2012, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: Dillen on December 30, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DB&y=2013
Awesome, they can get Sheldon Brown back.
#pgbatsignal
Quote from: SD on December 31, 2012, 08:20:18 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
he was never going in the top 5
I disagree...a lot of mocks had him cemented top 5 and teams don't mind taking a chance on a qb early.
barkley had a top 5 chance at one time...now i dont think either goes in the top ten....of course thats as of now...some great workouts could vault one of them up i guess
Vai wants Lotulelei, says he's known the family for years and he's a great kid. Hopefully Oakland passes on him to take the German DE instead.
Lotulelei
Te'o
Milliner
Joeckel
Jones
Gimme one of those 5 and I'm good
vai is a mormon pacific islander homer
i know they arent going to take him at four but the best player ive seen thus far in the draft imo is chance warmack...not a fancy pick but hes a guy that will start for someone on day one of rookie camp and not come out of the lineup for the next decade...and play at a pro bowl level from day one...he has pittsburgh steeler written all over him
They have to take Joeckel if he's there at 4. He's a guaranteed 10 year starter.
Yeah Vai was in the bag for Reno Mahe for chrissakes so pardon me if I don't take his word
New CBSSports (Rob Rang) mock has the Eagles taking Geno. ha
igs' boy Jarvis (who has spinal stenosis btw) and Bacarri Rambo are on ABC right now
Taylor Lewan is having a good game against Clowney
not a good bowl season for qb's
geno two safties....murray and glennon combined five picks
I had no idea Jarvis spent time at USC
Besides Joeckel, keep an eye on Oklahoma FS Tony Jefferson tonight. He already declared and is expected to go in the 2nd round
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2013, 10:40:34 AM
Besides Joeckel, keep an eye on Oklahoma FS Tony Jefferson tonight. He already declared and is expected to go in the 2nd round
And also Johnny Manziel, for whatever year he comes out.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 05, 2013, 01:34:44 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2013, 10:40:34 AM
Besides Joeckel, keep an eye on Oklahoma FS Tony Jefferson tonight. He already declared and is expected to go in the 2nd round
And also Johnny Manziel, for whatever year he comes out.
I already can't stand that little flag. The NFL is going to squirt itself into dehydration when he turns pro.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2013, 07:33:40 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 05, 2013, 01:34:44 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2013, 10:40:34 AM
Besides Joeckel, keep an eye on Oklahoma FS Tony Jefferson tonight. He already declared and is expected to go in the 2nd round
And also Johnny Manziel, for whatever year he comes out.
I already can't stand that little flag. The NFL is going to squirt itself into dehydration when he turns pro.
yeah if i never hear johnny football again it will be to soon...and the guy is under six foot....to be fair so is russell wilson (altho he was a pocket qb) but i wouldnt be banking on him in the nfl draft certainly not first round
Some of that running he was doing in last night's game could get him killed in the NFL.
I believe Manziel is 6'1 igy...
I hate his nickname.
If he's listed at 6'1" then you can bet the farm that he's no taller than 6' even. And like Chuggie's girl tells me whenever I "see" her, that extra inch makes all the difference.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2013, 01:03:20 PM
I believe Manziel is 6'1 igy...
I hate his nickname.
trust me hes nowhere near 6'1....just watching him you can tell
5'10 tops
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 05, 2013, 02:32:07 PM
If he's listed at 6'1" then you can bet the farm that he's no taller than 6' even. And like Chuggie's girl tells me whenever I "see" her, that extra inch makes all the difference.
I thought Chuggie was gay? Is this your way of coming out, Sarge? Because if so, Bra-farging-vo, man!
So are we drafting Joeckel now or what
No problem with that.
Agreed on Manziel. Can't see him doing much in the NFL except running for his life.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 05, 2013, 07:50:58 PM
So are we drafting Joeckel now or what
yup....unless jj is there which he wont be
any chance andy takes Joeckel? we know he loves him sum oline
Quote from: SunMo on January 06, 2013, 09:56:17 AM
any chance andy takes Joeckel? we know he loves him sum oline
definitely
Is Andy going to have the same power he did in Philly?
If so Joeckel is a lead pipe cinch.
Quote from: Rome on January 06, 2013, 11:13:17 AM
Is Andy going to have the same power he did in Philly?
If so Joeckel is a lead pipe cinch.
They hired him before a GM...so he will have more than he did in Philly. He's got the keys and is shopping for the groceries.
Look at the FA lists...Jake Long and Ryan Clady are scheduled to be FAs. If they're not tagged, which I doubt Long will be, then one of them will be his Jon Runyan I think.
i believe the chiefs have the third most room under the cap in the league as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2013, 12:45:54 PM
i believe the chiefs have the third most room under the cap in the league as well
They can sign Nmandi
And Vick.
And Donnie.
And Herm.
Herm is better than anyone in the secondary now.
Barkevious Mingo declared. I'd love for the Birds to draft him for no other reason then to hear Reese butcher his name.
2 days into Senior Bowl week, the Eagles have met with the following players so far:
Ryan Nassib (Syracuse QB)
E.J. Manuel (Florida State QB)
Kenjon Barner (Oregon RB)
Robbie Rouse (Fresno State RB)
Chris Harper (Kansas State WR)
Ricky Wagner (Wisconsin OT)
Hugh Thornton (Illinois G)
Margus Hunt (SMU DE freak)
Ezekiel Ansah (BYU DE)
Malliciah Goodman (Clemson DE)
Michael Buchanan (Illinois DE)
Jamar Taylor (Boise State CB)
Jonathan Cyprien (Florida International CB)
Robert Alford (SE Louisiana CB)
Barner shouldn't count.
im sure they were all thoroughly impressed with howie
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 22, 2013, 03:03:58 PM
Barner shouldn't count.
:-D
Hunt and Ansah, Freak 1 & Freak 2
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2013, 02:41:29 PM
2 days into Senior Bowl week, the Eagles have met with the following players so far:
E.J. Manuel (Florida State QB)
Rome just ordered an EJ Manuel jersey
Mosher's article on EJ (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/FSUs-Manuel-Kelly-system-would-be-easy-t?blockID=826053&feedID=704)
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Mosher's article on EJ (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/FSUs-Manuel-Kelly-system-would-be-easy-t?blockID=826053&feedID=704)
Uniforms matter.
ej lookin gooooooooood
franchise qb?
if you are an eagle fan and not watching ej right now you should be
What if I'm watching porn. That would get a little weird.
mayock just pinned ej as a 3rd or 4th rounder....i feel like in this draft especially at the qb position he goes much higher....2nd or 3rd
I saw every play of that fraud's career at FSU.
I'm telling you right here and now... you DO NOT WANT.
ive definitely watched more of him than you....and im not sure if i want or not
anyway im not even saying they should or shouldnt take him but i could see howie being all over him
Are you really suggesting you've seen him play more than a Seminoles fan who's watched every game of his career?
Really?
Good God just shut up and stop posting for a while.
Get yourself into a program, rummy.
Quote* Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
Eric Fisher made tons of money during Senior Bowl week. It all started with Mike Mayock proclaiming that Fisher could challenge Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel to be the No. 1 tackle off the board. Fisher then won almost all of his one-on-one reps against the top pass-rushers during the practices. That trend continued during the game. Fisher won't go any lower than No. 11 on Draft Day, and he could go as high as No. 4 to the Eagles.
The one day I did watch the senior bowl practice it was the OL session going up against the d linemen. They kept talking about Fisher from Central Michigan and I was thinking "great, this is exactly the kind of offensive lineman they'd draft, smaller school, not well known, etc." Let me tell you, from what I saw and it may have been because he came in there as low man on the totem pole with all the big name O linemen out there and he was going 100% full throttle, he looked like a beast.
Great Blue North's latest mock has the Eagles taking Geno Smith, DJ Fluker and Chris Faulk in the first 3 rounds. farg defense
According to the Browns, they get our 6th and we get their 7th as part of the David Sims deal
(yea I said "we" and "our" and "they" and....whatever, bite me)
was thinking about this last night.....worst possible scenario for the eagles this year.....with no qb's at the top of the draft it means nothing can be pushed to them at four
the good news is the incredible depth at OL/DT two places they should work on hard
the depth in the first round for O linemen is ridiculous. They can't go wrong with any of the top 5 prospects. I was against getting a DT in the first round but I am starting to really like Lotulelei a lot.
Am hearing more about Kenny Vaccaro the safety from Texas. Doubt that ever happens.
In case anyone's thinking about trading down if Joeckel and Star are off the boards, here's the pick values for the Jets and Titans (since those teams appear to be looking for DEs), the Rams (two 1sts) and the Dolphins (two 2nds and two 3rds):
#4 (PHI) = 1800
#9 (NYJ) = 1350
#10 (TEN) = 1300
#12 (MIA) = 1200
#16 (STL) = 1000
#22 (STL from WSH) = 780
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#39 (NYJ) = 510
#40 (TEN) = 500
#42 (MIA) = 480
#54 (MIA from IND) = 360
So if the Jets or Titans want to trade up for someone, the Eagles could end up with three picks in the top 40, or if the Rams really like someone that high, they could give up both 1sts and a 3rd-day pick and the Eagles would have a shot at Warmack and something else
I know I'm somewhat biased & that guards last longer than tackles, but barring something unforeseen I don't see how Warmack lasts to 16.
he wont....i see him in the top ten
Basically, anyone the eagles need or should get, should be gone by the time they draft. Same as it ever was.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 18, 2013, 04:38:39 PM
In case anyone's thinking about trading down if Joeckel and Star are off the boards, here's the pick values
If I remember right, some team moved up two spots a couple years ago within the top 10 (from #8 to #6, 6 to 4, or some shtein) for only a couple 4th rounders. The value chart is worthless, especially in a draft like this.
The only one I see that sorta resembled this was in 2002 when the Chiefs traded up for Ryan Sims
DAL #6 (1600)
KC 1st #8 (1400)
KC 3rd #75 (215)
KC 2003 6th #186 (17)
yeah i think the draft value chart has been pretty helpful in the past, but if talent evaluators really view the top of this class as poorly as they seem you might not get as much value as in past years.
I didn't follow it closely last year but for the most part trades at least somewhat follow the chart a majority of time, and often closely.
Just as it was starting to fall out of vogue the new CBA made the absurd rookie contracts, especially in the top few picks, obsolete. Luck last year got 4 years/$22 million. Sam Bradford got 6 yrs/$78 mil with $50 guaranteed. This makes it a lot easier to trade in the top 5 now using the value chart. There's always been exceptions but I expect for the most part we'll still see trades mirror the chart because of the new salary scale.
http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/02/21/the-eagles-totally-need-to-draft-eric-fisher-at-4th-overall-assuming-the-rest-of-the-nfl-doesnt-catch-on-to-his-amazing-growing-arms/
(http://bloggingthebeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Eric-Fisher.png)
QuoteIn the last five NFL drafts, nine interior offensive linemen were selected in the first round. Danny Watkins, the Philadelphia Eagles' 2011 selection, was the shortest of the nine, measuring in at 6-3 3/8
Probably figured they needed to draft short o-lineman to compensate for their short starting QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
QuoteIn the last five NFL drafts, nine interior offensive linemen were selected in the first round. Danny Watkins, the Philadelphia Eagles' 2011 selection, was the shortest of the nine, measuring in at 6-3 3/8
That doesn't matter. Warmack is only 6-2. The Eagles just drafted a kid who's flat out terrible. Again.
warmack has a long ass reach tho
watkins has peter dinklage arms
but yes the fact that he was a canadien fireman with like 5 years of football experience is why he sucked
warmack looks so sexy
i would have absolutely zero problem taking him at four....in fact id be estatic
Dion Jordan has a torn labrum, surgery after the combine, recovery 3-4 months
wow....i actually just started liking him as much or more than jj
I like him way more than JJ, but as of now I have absolutely no idea who I want at 4. Jordan is still probably my #1, but that changes with Warmack or trading down basically every hour.
jj shariff floyd and louie louie (along with cordarelle patterson) have the most upside in the draft but im leaning against them right now just because the birds arent in a position where they can miss at the four spot this year (also jj's neck drops him for me)
luckily while the talent up there is weak theres a ton of players that are locks to be very good....i think thats where id go....joker fisher warmack
I think Jordan has more upside than JJ. JJ's a good athlete, not great, and really isn't much of a cover guy. Jordan's a better athlete, significantly better in coverage, has great size, but hasn't been the great pass rusher. Jordan has a lot more room to grow as a player, what you see with Jones is what you get (yeah, still a very good pass rusher). In their rookie years Jones would be the better player, but their long term questions are equal.
That aside, agreed, they absolutely can't miss at 4. If they trade down and grab another 2nd or 3rd rounder I'd feel a lot more comfortable with them gambling. Would have no complaints if they go with one of those OL.
i disagree but it doesnt matter they arent taking either one at four....and actually now they might be able to get one of them with their second pick
forgot about ziggy....his upside if off the charts....but again not at four for the eagles this year
The more I read about the prospects the more I'm hoping they trade back. Maybe trade back to around the 10 spot and pick up an extra second. They have a lot of needs. Maybe Warmack falls to them then they spend the rest of their picks on D.
Quote from: SD on February 24, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
The more I read about the prospects the more I'm hoping they trade back. Maybe trade back to around the 10 spot and pick up an extra second. They have a lot of needs. Maybe Warmack falls to them then they spend the rest of their picks on D.
the problem is cf and the eagles arent the only people that know how balanced the top of the draft is.....its a depth draft so you are going to be hard pressed to find someone to give a second which would be nuts or even a lower pick to move up and get a player who isnt any better than the guy you would have gotten if you stayed put
the exception might be geno smith....if he crushes his workouts and a team falls in love with him you may be able to do something there
Teams get nutty around draft time. Moving from 10 range to 4 range in any draft is worthy of at least a 2nd. That should be a gimme trade.
In the top 4 they're almost guaranteed a 10 year starter & pro bowl level talent. Get outside that area and it's a toss of the dice. I mean, it is anyway, but still...
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2013, 11:04:21 AM
In the top 4 they're almost guaranteed a 10 year starter & pro bowl level talent. Get outside that area and it's a toss of the dice. I mean, it is anyway, but still...
sometimes yes but not in this draft....because its really deep with high floor guys....and its especially deep at OL and DT probably the two safest positions there are
I understand all that. I'm saying from a historical standpoint you rarely get a HOF player around 10. There's a multitude of reasons they go lower and of course I'm not saying you can't find special players, but damn it, they have a top 4 pick and it's almost impossible to farg it up, so why risk it? If they can hold a team up for a ransom then fine but I'd rather them just take a sure thing for a change.
thats just not true...of course you have better odds but heres a small breakdown of HOF draft picks since 1970
top 5 picks - 25
2nd rounders - 13
first rounders picks 11-20 - 12
3rd round and beyond - 13
im ok with them staying there but if there was ever a draft to trade down it would be this one
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2013, 10:32:12 AM
the problem is cf and the eagles arent the only people that know how balanced the top of the draft is.....its a depth draft so you are going to be hard pressed to find someone to give a second which would be nuts or even a lower pick to move up and get a player who isnt any better than the guy you would have gotten if you stayed put
the exception might be geno smith....if he crushes his workouts and a team falls in love with him you may be able to do something there
Wouldn't be surprised for someone to trade up for an OT too. Joeckel will definitely be top 5 and has a good shot at being #1, Fisher won't last past the Cardinals at 7, and then there's a dropoff. A team might want to trade up so they have their shot at Fisher or pick of the two. Not saying that's a better alternative than the Eagles picking one of those guys themselves, but this team has a million holes and picking up extra 2nd or 3rds (who could be starters) for dropping down a couple spots could be worthwhile.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
thats just not true...of course you have better odds but heres a small breakdown of HOF draft picks since 1970
Not to mention that top 4 picks is not always a lock either. The last 2-3 drafts have been strong, but there is usually at least one bust in the top 4 and there are drafts with lots of weakness at the top like 2009.
Quote from: Dillen on February 24, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2013, 10:32:12 AM
the problem is cf and the eagles arent the only people that know how balanced the top of the draft is.....its a depth draft so you are going to be hard pressed to find someone to give a second which would be nuts or even a lower pick to move up and get a player who isnt any better than the guy you would have gotten if you stayed put
the exception might be geno smith....if he crushes his workouts and a team falls in love with him you may be able to do something there
Wouldn't be surprised for someone to trade up for an OT too. Joeckel will definitely be top 5 and has a good shot at being #1, Fisher won't last past the Cardinals at 7, and then there's a dropoff. A team might want to trade up so they have their shot at Fisher or pick of the two. Not saying that's a better alternative than the Eagles picking one of those guys themselves, but this team has a million holes and picking up extra 2nd or 3rds (who could be starters) for dropping down a couple spots could be worthwhile.
theres not a single player that would make me stay at four if they were there....if the joker falls to them i wouldnt have a problem trading out of four...dont forget lane johnson...he will still be around for a few picks where the eagles can go back a little bit and get him if they wanted to....its after him when the OT fall off....but would anyone be upset if they traded back got a pick or two and instead of the joker they got bakrvious mingo damontre moore or shariff floyd....i know i wouldnt
shtein or the mack daddy
This is the Philadelphia Eagles we're talking about. Face it, they're going to farg it up.
Minus Curry they did alright last year. Howie is on the hotseat so if he fargs up he gets canned. Win/win either way. Not to mention Gamble is waiting in the wings. That situation went from disaster to tolerable.
Stay at four and pick the best player available. Trust your farging board. You've spent hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars researching these idiots, so don't try to be smarter than everyone else. Just pick a stud and move on because you're not going to make this a Super Bowl team by doing it all this year.
arent you supposed to be at the race
Yep. I'm sick in bed. Flu Fun With Rome!
At least you chose death by flu over death by engine block. Had the shtein last month, the stomach one. All I can say is I'm with you buddy.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 24, 2013, 12:55:50 PM
This is the Philadelphia Eagles we're talking about. Face it, they're going to farg it up.
The sooner we accept this the better we'll all be.
Without Reid and Banner, they could farg up everything until week 1 and I'll still be more excited about this season than the last one.
Geno Smith falls to the second round...do you take him?
Yes
Quote"I ain't just want to sit out the combine and my pro day, and then y'all guys get to wonderin', sayin' this and that.
^ Division One college student. ^
Quote from: SD on February 26, 2013, 02:16:36 PM
Geno Smith falls to the second round...do you take him?
not me...they need to fill too many other spots to take a non franchise qb this year
id target safety in the second round...the early portion of round 2 is going to be loaded with them
I'm on the fence with Smith...I think he's a legit late first talent who will probably go higher because its a weak qb draft. You could always package Foles and your 3rd to move up in the second...Reid might bite.
Probably a moot point because he's not going to be there and I think Kelly wants to go with Foles
I hate to point out the obvious but if you think Geno Smith is a late first rounder you aren't on the fence about him. You think pretty highly of him. That is all.
Quote from: SD on February 26, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
Probably a moot point because he's not going to be there and I think Kelly wants to go with Foles
im the other way--dont think kelly wants foles at all.
dont really care what he said after a college game about foles--i think he strictly wants to hype him up to increase the value for the chiefs or whoever because it makes no sense to have a lumbering stiff in this scheme.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 26, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
I hate to point out the obvious but if you think Geno Smith is a late first rounder you aren't on the fence about him. You think pretty highly of him. That is all.
If a guy is a projected top 10 pick and I'm suggesting he will fall to late first and possibly early 2nd than I'm not that high on him. Now if I said "what would you think if the Eagles traded back to 10 and Smith was still there...would you take him?"...now that would be a different story.
Since when is everybody saying he's a top 10 pick? The answer to your question is a resounding no.
Yeah the only time I see him in the top ten is when jerkoffs are projecting a team to pick any old qb because their current qb sucks. He isn't a top ten player he just plays a valuable position.
Quote from: Dillen on February 26, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Since when is everybody saying he's a top 10 pick? The answer to your question is a resounding no.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/26/nfl-combine-shakes-up-mock-draft/1950123/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/2/25/4026530/2013-nfl-mock-draft-combine-star-lotulelei-tank-carradine
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1542916-2013-nfl-mock-draft-how-entire-first-round-will-shake-out
http://www.kffl.com/a.php/132857/
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-02-08/nfl-mock-draft-2013-first-round-update-shakes-up-selections/slide/1
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
ouch
Quote from: SD on February 26, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
Probably a moot point because he's not going to be there and I think Kelly wants to go with Foles
what makes you think that?
every single sign has pointed to vick being the starter next year....not only do i not think they are going with foles i would be pretty surprised if hes on the roster when training camp starts
as for geno smith if you think hes a your franchise qb then you take him at four....otherwise you dont take him at all...i dont really get hoping hes there with your second or giving up a pick to get him with your second pick...if your draft room identifies him as a franchise qb then dont mess around...take him at four...if hes not a franchise qb in your eyes why take him at all...build the team and wait till you find the right qb...lord knows they need help all over the place especially with the switch to a 3-4 base d
personally i dont believe they think that highly of geno or they wouldnt have kept vick for as much money as they did...i think its pretty obvious vick is the bridge to next year which is when they hope they can find their future qb
Quote from: SD on February 27, 2013, 05:57:57 AM
Quote from: Dillen on February 26, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Since when is everybody saying he's a top 10 pick? The answer to your question is a resounding no.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/26/nfl-combine-shakes-up-mock-draft/1950123/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/2/25/4026530/2013-nfl-mock-draft-combine-star-lotulelei-tank-carradine
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1542916-2013-nfl-mock-draft-how-entire-first-round-will-shake-out
http://www.kffl.com/a.php/132857/
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-02-08/nfl-mock-draft-2013-first-round-update-shakes-up-selections/slide/1
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2013, 12:43:58 AM
Yeah the only time I see him in the top ten is when jerkoffs are projecting a team to pick any old qb because their current qb sucks. He isn't a top ten player he just plays a valuable position.
Quote from: SD on February 26, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
I'm on the fence with Smith...I think he's a legit late first talent who will probably go higher because its a weak qb draft.
Fine. My point, again, is that if you think he's a 'legit' first rounder you obviously think highly of him because you're saying that you think some team will draft him to be their starting quarterback in the first round of the NFL draft. I don't think he's a first rounder but I only saw him play a little bit so all I really know is that until the season was over no one was talking about him as a first round QB. Then the pundits who I can't believe get paid for this shtein realized that they needed to be able to project SOMEONE to be a first round QB because so many teams have zesty QBs and there are no real first round talents in this year's draft. So every time Geno Smith is projected to go to the Bills or the Chiefs or whatever, there are all sorts of caveats around it. If you think he's a legit first round talent I'd say you're in the minority since even the dudes who are projecting him to go in the first round don't think he's a first round talent.
yeah a projection is very very different from a grade
Of the four QB's who played in the conference championship games, two were taken in the 1st, one in the 2nd & one in the 6th.
It's a crapshoot.
Move on.
I said hes a legit "late" first round talent...big difference and most draftniks are saying the same.
I don't see any way the Eagles don't select Jordan at #4 if someone doesn't take him take him 1-3.
I am giddy with the depth at OL and DB in this draft. There's no way they can farg this up. Watched the DB's yesterday at the combine. Loving Trufant out of Washington more and more. He could fall right into the birds lap in round 2. I haven't checked any boards recently but I am assuming his stock is rising.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 27, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
I don't see any way the Eagles don't select Jordan at #4 if someone doesn't take him take him 1-3.
QuoteJordan (6-6, 248) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.60 seconds, which ranked tied for third among defensive linemen. He ranked tied for fourth in the broad jump at 10-feet, 2-inches. His vertical jump was 32 1/2 inches.
In the position specific drills, Jordan displayed great explosiveness and quickness, plus excellent change of direction and an ability to quickly drop into zone coverage and make a play on the football.
reminds me a little of the Freak.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 27, 2013, 02:19:05 PM
reminds me a little of the Freak.
way more athletic...but to be fair hes also like 25 lbs lighter
mayock compares him to aldon smith but imo he needs to gain weight to get there as well
i see more julian peterson right now
I'd take the floor of a Julian Peterson and a ceiling of Aldon Smith. Dude is 6'7" so the weight should come easy, when I watched him play I saw some JPP qualities.
A couple of post-combine mocks:
NFLDraftScout (Rob Rang) 2/26 = Joeckel / Floyd / Werner / Milliner / J.Jones
WalterFootball 2/27 = Joeckel / Jordan / Floyd / Richardson / Milliner
Shutdown Corner (via Yahoo) 2/27 = Fisher / Mingo / Joeckel / Lane Johnson / Milliner
Drafttek 2/28 = Lotulelei / Werner / Moore / Joeckel / J.Jones
i dont know what draftek is but you probably dont need to post their opinion again
Howie was on with Mikey Miss this afternoon. He made a reference to the OL/DL and DB depth in the draft. The DB one caught me off guard but then he followed it up by praising Millner and his 4.3 40 time. Hopefully it's just smoke.
LOL at drafttek.
Sheldon Richardson DT from Misouri, is climbing everyone's charts.
Quote from: SD on February 28, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Howie was on with Mikey Miss this afternoon. He made a reference to the OL/DL and DB depth in the draft. The DB one caught me off guard but then he followed it up by praising Millner and his 4.3 40 time. Hopefully it's just smoke.
yeah i dont see DB depth in the draft...i see safety depth....if you wanted a corner last year was the loaded year
they dont need him but how bad would chip kelly love to get his hands on tavon austin with the eagles second selection...i realize they need defense out the ass but id be all in on getting him...been following that cat since high school in baltimore...one of my favorite college players of all time
the matchup problems hes going to create in the nfl is going to be crazy
It'd be interesting but I think he's going to Houston or New England in the late 1st
btw the Eagles aren't getting the Colts' 7th-rd pick from the Fokou/Lloyd trade. I know....devastating
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2013, 10:44:21 AM
It'd be interesting but I think he's going to Houston or New England in the late 1st
for future reference when discussing teams getting a certain player with a pick it should be assumed that the player could be chosen at a spot other than where the team originally picks
ex. eagles "second selection" isnt necesarily going to be #35
Understood, but I don't see the Eagles trading up into the early 20s to take another pimp
id agree with that if tavon was a WR.....they both are freak athletes but different players....tavon has immeasurable lateral quicks....pimp is more straight up north and south speed
also tavon would be a dual threat who could just as easily line up in the backfield as spread out...huge mismatch creator
i dont think it would happen but depending on how much cache chipper has in the front office i could see him salivating over a guy like austin and pushing for him...i dont see howie/gamble taking him
Agree completely, he would light it up in Philly. An offense with Shady - Desean - Tavon would be incredible to watch. Unfortunately I don't think they're really in the position to do something like that this year - their biggest needs are on both lines and the secondary, where this draft has strong prospects into the 2nd and 3rd. Don't think packaging picks together that should be used on those positions to move up for a luxury pick would be a smart idea.
PFT says Jeff, Howie and Chip visited Geno Smith in Morgantown today for a private workout
Serious question, I have not been following. Is Geno Smith any good?
Doesn't appear to be a sure-fire franchise QB. Has the talent and measurables, but so did hundreds of other duds. He should go in the second round, but because the QB position is so thin in this draft, he'll probably go top ten.
Quote from: hbionic on March 11, 2013, 03:44:17 PM
Serious question, I have not been following. Is Geno Smith any good?
i get the feeling no one has any idea
He's accurate but doesn't have great arm strength, doesn't run unless he absolutely has to, and he came up really small in big games, and I think having Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey made him look better than he actually is. He's only being considered in the top 10 because it's a weak QB class. I've seen him get compared to Akili Smith, but he's more like Sam Bradford ... a guy that'll get you the ball but he doesn't do anything spectacular like an RG3 or Russell Wilson or Brees or Rodgers
Get Geno!
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2013, 03:57:03 PM
He's accurate but doesn't have great arm strength, doesn't run unless he absolutely has to, and he came up really small in big games, and I think having Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey made him look better than he actually is. He's only being considered in the top 10 because it's a weak QB class. I've seen him get compared to Akili Smith, but he's more like Sam Bradford ... a guy that'll get you the ball but he doesn't do anything spectacular like an RG3 or Russell Wilson or Brees or Rodgers
THIS!
with the morgantown visit in the bag the geno rumors are swirling causing heated debate today on wip on whether the team should take him at 4 or not
i personally believe the eagles are trying to fake interest in him in order to move back....that may be giving howie to much credit but its how i see it
according to numerous onsite sources geno smiths workout today was superb
birds qb of the future?!?!...whether you want him or not it sure adds a ton of excitement to the draft
If by excitement you mean dread and nausea I agree with you.
Get a monster offensive line anchor for the next decade, please.
Jaws and Sal Pal both said they're OK with Smith as the pick, but the Eagles better be damn sure about it
Quote from: Rome on March 14, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
If by excitement you mean dread and nausea I agree with you.
Get a monster offensive line anchor for the next decade, please.
i agree with you in the sense that im not in favor of taking geno but at the same time if they grade him out that highly and believe he can be their qb of the future i wouldnt not have a problem with it....if nothing else taking a young qb would be incredibly exciting and great to follow over the next couple of years....and more than anything it gives you a sense of hope
really i cant think of anyone they could take at four that would cause me grief....this draft is so vanilla
If Smith is their guy, do they take him at 4 or should they try and move a few spots back to the 8-12 range? Or even further back? I don't think I saw a single snap from him all year, so all I have to go on is scouting reports on the web and commentary from other fans who actually watched him play and the general consensus is that he'd be a 2nd round pick in a stronger QB draft.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 14, 2013, 12:42:10 PM
If Smith is their guy, do they take him at 4 or should they try and move a few spots back to the 8-12 range? Or even further back? I don't think I saw a single snap from him all year, so all I have to go on is scouting reports on the web and commentary from other fans who actually watched him play and the general consensus is that he'd be a 2nd round pick in a stronger QB draft.
theres no chance he gets past arz 7 or buff 8
So the best they could do is trade back to #6, which wouldn't get them very much return would it?
Quote from: Rome on March 14, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
If by excitement you mean dread and nausea I agree with you.
Get a monster offensive line anchor for the next decade, please.
It's times like these Rome, I wish I could marry you.
You can. Just not in Florida.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 14, 2013, 01:06:07 PM
So the best they could do is trade back to #6, which wouldn't get them very much return would it?
theres no trading back for him imo....if genos your guy you have to take him at four....because potentially anyone in the top 8 other than kc or detroit could take him....these offseason workouts can easily create a monster to the point where jacksonville at 2 or the raiders at 3 could easily take him....christ the raiders are working out vince farging young....you dont think theyd take geno smith at 3?...or you could have a team trade up to to 1 2 or 3 and take him
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 14, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
You can. Just not in Florida.
And it really piss off the pope
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 14, 2013, 01:06:07 PM
So the best they could do is trade back to #6, which wouldn't get them very much return would it?
theres no trading back for him imo
That's really all I needed to know. The rest is fairly obvious, imo. KC is the only team in the top 4 that doesn't need a QB. My initial thought was that if Smith was still on the board at 4 that they could move back to grab him. But since you pointed out that Buf and Arz pick at 7 and 8, there's no real incentive for them to trade back because they can only move back a spot or 2. They'd get very little in return for moving back 2 spots. So if they want him, it's either take him at 4 or even worse, trade up to #2. I guess if they're convinced that he's their guy, they have to trade up. If they feel that strongly about him then they can't take the risk of letting another team grabbing him. I don't think he's #2 worthy. I don't even think he's #4 worthy based on the things I've read, but if that's their guy then they should probably move up.
Marcus Lattimore had a private workout with the Eagles yesterday. Worth a gamble if he's still around in the 5th or 6th then they can stash him on IR
QuoteLattTwoOne
Gotta get me a cheesesteak while here #Philly
Compensatory picks were handed out and the Eagles get the first one of the 7th round (#239) for losing Parker and Smith and only signing Bell
We should have gotten one for signing Bell.
Chip confirmed EJ Manuel will be in town for a private workout next week, and Mosher says Lotulelei will also be here for one at some point
Jarvis is coming to town (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/jarvis-jones-calls-himself-the-best-player-in-the-nfl-draft/)
mcshays first two round mock just came out....has the birds with fisher and manuel
Worst possible scenario realized.
Die McFag.
Ew.
hes 100% going off all the defensive signings in FA
if you lend that a lot of weight then the OT at four and manuel makes a ton of sense....it makes sense more in terms of what they will do than what they should do but i can definitely see it happening
I hate when you guys start not liking things. It makes me scared.
let the geno smith era begin...
Sharrif Floyd and Eric Fisher are coming to town for workouts
pro football weeklys top 6 qb's in the draft
1. bark
2. nassib
3. ej
4. tyler wilson
5. dysert
6. geno
im gonna put this out there - i hope they take jj at #4...farg injury concerns, the guy is a beast on the field and his size seems to fit the chip mold. he seems like the guy who id most be pissed about in 4 years if they end up not taking him. oh, and id be more than fine w ej in round 2.
in the first two rounds i take whoever is at the top of my board when my pick is up....and i mean that literally....i dont care if its a wide receiver...there is nowhere this team cant upgrade other than perhaps HB...for the next two years just get talent on the roster and worry about everything else later....you arent doing shtein anyway until you get your qb
EJ had a private workout with the Eagles in Tallahassee today. Lazor was there, possibly Chip and Howie too
If the Eagles are trying to force me to consider suicide they're doing a pretty good job of it by courting Manuel.
DO.
NOT.
WANT.
So....get?
I want a trade back for an extra 2nd and Warmack. If that doesn't happen I'll be happy with either Floyd or Jordan.
i wonder if the eagles could get miami to give up their 2014 first to switch spots
QuoteHey guys, been a busy week so I apologize for the late post. Worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday, and it went great. Coach Lazor came into town Wednesday night and we met up for a casual dinner. I was able to really pick his brain about his coaching history, his expectations from his quarterbacks, his coaching philosophies, etc. I also learned that Coach is a family man, as his kids both called him to say goodnight. Very good man as well as coach, so whoever you all draft as a quarterback (should be me) will definitely enjoy working with Coach Lazor.
The next morning, coach and I met to watch film and go over play installments. He was testing how I learned best and how fast I was able to retain information. I impressed him, just as I did at the combine and the Senior Bowl interviews. One thing that goes unnoticed in all of this, how much football do you really know, and how much of that knowledge is applicable to the NFL? This is an added value I have coming from FSU. WE LEARNED FOOTBALL. Trust me.
From the film room, we headed to the field to work out. I killed it. The ball came out of my hand great. Weather was chilly so it gave a realistic feel of how it'll be in the fall in Philly. Coach gave me a few things to try out and I was able to perform those techniques after he gave his initial instruction.
Overall, coach left with a great impression. The ball may have touched the grass once. I really liked Coach Lazor. I think I will have a lot of success learning and working with him and within the Eagles offensive system!
Cleveland and Cincinnati are up next, so I'm going to prepare for them! Catch you guys later.
EJ Manuel
There is a 0% chance that was written by a college football player.
Modesty - F
i really shouldnt care but the fact that a player is writing his own workout diary leading up to the nfl draft makes me so mad...more at the people who put it out there (kapadia actually reported this crap on his blog) and the people who read it and let it effect their opinion of manuel as a option in the draft but still it makes me furious
Why would this infuriate you?
when he writes a journal entry saying how he completely shtein the bed in a workout.....that he isnt an expert when it comes to playbooks and tells nfl teams they should be wary of picking him to high in the draft then i wont be mad
until then its literally the dumbest thing ever and really pisses me off
what if one of the Philly reporters tweeted about it?
Quote from: phattymatty on March 29, 2013, 09:43:01 AM
Modesty - F
hahaha
he learned everything except when to step up and make a play to win and when not to fumble or throw a crucial pick to lose the game.
he sucks. do not want!
still no issues with Star's heart weeks after the combine (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/56090266-89/lotulelei-combine-utah-heart.html.csp)
38 benches
30" vertical
7.76 3-cone
4.65 shuttle
Geno is at NovaCare today, Ansah and Fisher will be in tonight, Dion Jordan will be in tomorrow and Sharrif Floyd will be in on Friday
NFL Network's Mike Mayock said he would definitely not take West Virginia QB Geno Smith in the Top 10.
Mayock said he would "pound the table" for Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki, who penned a scathing report on Smith earlier this week. "It's absolutely the football side," Mayock said. "Talk about the football issues: First of all, ball security, ties into the pocket awareness. Whatever that number is, 30, 32 fumbles in his career, he has no awareness of the rush surrounding him. ... Deep ball accuracy: I put a reel together of six to eight throws that should have been touchdowns, wide open vertical guys that he overthrew or underthrew. He stares down receivers and he throws the football late, so there's a lack of anticipation and timing.
Everyone agrees that Smith shouldn't be taken anywhere near the top of the draft. That won't stop it from happening, though.
i cant recall where i saw it but it was a respected site that has ryan nassib as the #1 overall player in the draft and geno the number 5 qb
I'm all about Nassib if they trade back in the 2nd. I want no part of Smith or EJ
ive never seen a draft where no one has any idea even who the first three picks are going to be...much less as you get deeper into the draft
like i do every year im putting together my list of players id like the eagles to take with each pick and unlike any other draft ive seen i feel like i could easily be a round off on players...normally id be like i hope this guy falls to the eagles in the 3rd round...but its gonna be close...this draft has me questioning whether the eagles should take a particular player their second or third pick...
a lot of it has to do with the depth...and this is a deep draft no doubt but imo it has more to do with the lack of high end talent in the players this year...more than ever this draft has rock solid good players but it also has a dearth of highly skilled guys...there arent many pimps for example where the talent is off the charts but the size is a hinderance...or a janoris jenkins who again was super talented but had off the field questions (the tennessee wr's patterson and hunter are exceptions)
starting with the second round i feel like you legitimately have 75 players who are all solid and could contribute right away and that what will decide where they go is in the eye of each individual player personel dept.....there arent very many players where everyone is going to look at a certain guy and be like hes super talented and is not falling past a certain area of the second round....most of these 75 guys could go anywhere from the late first to late 3rd
Yea it's all over the place. I've seen at least 20 mocks and other than Joeckel being #1 on most of them, the rest are all over the place. Guys like Margus Hunt going late-1st in some mocks and 3rd in others, Damontre Moore falling to the 2nd round on most of them, Eric Reid going anywhere from mid-1st to late-3rd. KC is supposedly down to Joeckel, Fisher and Jordan....that's the only thing we know right now
Three more visits to NovaCare coming up this weekend or next week: Joeckel, Star and Dee
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 04, 2013, 11:51:03 AM
KC is supposedly down to Joeckel, Fisher and Jordan....that's the only thing we know right now
no one even knows that....i dont think anyone would be shocked if they took one of the DT's
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 04, 2013, 11:51:03 AM
Three more visits to NovaCare coming up this weekend or next week: Joeckel, Star and Dee
manuel on sunday too
Kiper's new mock has the Eagles taking Geno after Joeckel/Ansah/Floyd
Mock Draft Tracker
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Mock-Draft-Tracker/a9235a17-bb01-49fe-8816-da0a7b3aafc4?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23eagles
If these idiots draft Geno Smith with the fourth pick the only possible reason I'd stomach it would be that they passed on Manuel.
Still, it's absolutely ridiculous to draft him when there are so many other players at positions they could benefit from. Get a bookend tackle for 10 years and be happy the 2012 disaster allowed you to do it.
They could basically draft any position other than QB with the 4th pick and it'd be a win.
Smith isn't happening
It's still a few weeks away but I think they're going O line...possibly Fisher or Warmack. I'd love to see them trade back, pick up an extra second, and still get Warmack.
Defensively I think it's a possible toss up between Jordan, Floyd and Millner. As usual with the Eagles we have no idea who they're really after but I feel pretty confident in saying they're likely to trade back for extra picks.
the more we move along the more i think geno smith could not go in the first round
Warmack may not even be the first guard drafted
With the heart stuff settled, I think Star is back in the mix at #4. I think it's gonna be him, Jordan, Fisher or Floyd
I want Jordan, I think.
I've been back and forth on several guys. There's a ton of uncertainty because of the regime change but I want a bad ass defensive guy.
I don't have any cleat cut favorite as I have in past years. With the draft light at the top end then getting more solid it makes sense to drop a few slots.
One of the really nice things about your team sucking at almost every position group is that you have the luxury of picking a guy who is both BPA and also at a position of need, which is way cool.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 07, 2013, 02:01:23 PM
With the heart stuff settled, I think Star is back in the mix at #4. I think it's gonna be him, Jordan, Fisher or Floyd
way to go out on a limb spads
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
the more we move along the more i think geno smith could not go in the first round
Sort of brings us back to the question I posed in February...if Smith is there in the second round do you take him?
not in a draft with this kind of depth.....not him or ej....no qb should be taken this year in any round
Quote from: SD on April 07, 2013, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
the more we move along the more i think geno smith could not go in the first round
Sort of brings us back to the question I posed in February...if Smith is there in the second round do you take him?
In a hot minute. He's worth a #2 pick. Easily. In fact if the Eagles got him in the 2nd I'd be thrilled. But going top-4 with him would be rage-inducing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
no qb should be taken this year in any round
and you should really cut back on the booze, kiddo.
Quote from: Rome on April 07, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: SD on April 07, 2013, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
the more we move along the more i think geno smith could not go in the first round
Sort of brings us back to the question I posed in February...if Smith is there in the second round do you take him?
In a hot minute. He's worth a #2 pick. Easily. In fact if the Eagles got him in the 2nd I'd be thrilled. But going top-4 with him would be rage-inducing.
I'm with you on this. I'd take a chance on him in ths second. At best you have your qb of the future at worst you have a wasted second round pick.
this draft is way to good to be flippin a coin on a second round qb
It's an ok draft not special and if a potential franchise qb actually falls to where hes supposed to go I'd take a chance in the second. This is all for not because he won't make it past 15 but I love pre draft speculation.
its the worst qb draft maybe ever...its the deepest draft at positions the eagles need in maybe ever
do the math
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 07:27:11 PM
its the worst qb draft maybe ever...its the deepest draft at positions the eagles need in maybe ever
do the math
This. I dunno about worst QB draft ever, but the point still remains.
Quote from: SD on April 07, 2013, 07:23:28 PM
It's an ok draft not special and if a potential franchise qb actually falls to where hes supposed to go I'd take a chance in the second. This is all for not because he won't make it past 15 but I love pre draft speculation.
Why is he a 'potential franchise QB' if he's 'supposed to go' in the 2nd round? Because he's a decent prospect? Is he any more of a franchise QB at 35 than at 4?
Quote from: Dillen on April 07, 2013, 07:56:42 PM
Why is he a 'potential franchise QB' if he's 'supposed to go' in the 2nd round? Because he's a decent prospect? Is he any more of a franchise QB at 35 than at 4?
so on point
you take him at 4 or you dont take him ever
In my mind he should be a 2nd round pick, in a lot of experts minds he's a top 10 pick. Nobody thought Kaepernick or Russell Wilson would be potential franchise QBs yet they are. Smith is the beneficiary of being drafted in a weak QB draft but he has the tools to be successful.
Horrible example. You know the differences between Geno and those two? Physical tools. Kaepernick played in a spread offense in college, could be said to be a product of the system with quick accurate throws, put up elite #'s against zesty competition. Geno did the same.... except Kaepernick is 6'5, has a farging cannon, and runs a 4.4. Wilson is a great athlete, has a good arm, was always a great leader in college when the ACC was strong, and then when the Big 10 was strong. Nobody thought Tom Brady would be a franchise QB but is, does that help your argument?
Yes, Smith has tools to be successful. Explain in your own words how his "tools" are different than say, Andy Dalton or Kevin Kolb.
no "experts' have said hes a top ten pick....people have predicted he would go top ten...but i have not seen a single evaluator say hes a top ten pick....and everyone of them dont have him in the top 20
Your boy Kiper has him up there. I think all the dye and hairspray is finally effecting Mel's thought processes
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 09:15:47 PM
no "experts' have said hes a top ten pick....people have predicted he would go top ten...but i have not seen a single evaluator say hes a top ten pick....and everyone of them dont have him in the top 20
He's not a top 10 pick but experts are predicting he'll be a top 10 pick. Meaning he's a top 10 pick.
Quote from: Dillen on April 07, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
Yes, Smith has tools to be successful. Explain in your own words how his "tools" are different than say, Andy Dalton or Kevin Kolb.
You just gave me two guys who were second round picks, here's what I said about Smith a few posts ago:
Quote from: SD on April 07, 2013, 08:54:32 PM
In my mind he should be a 2nd round pick
To me at 4 you need to select a guy who's as close to can't miss as possible. So you don't take a chance on a guy like Smith at that spot. But I don't see how it hurts to take a chance on him in the second round.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2013, 07:27:11 PM
its the worst qb draft maybe ever...its the deepest draft at positions the eagles need in maybe ever
do the math
This is really all anyone needs to say. The eagles have a million holes to fill and a deep draft with which to fill those holes. Drafting a QB is a luxury that they can't afford right now. I understand the temptation but why use this year to draft a QB in the top five when there are no top five QB talents? Basically every year there is a QB available that is worthy of a top pick. This year there isn't. So don't force things. It's not like they're a rookie QB away from a superbowl right now.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:08:51 AM
It's not like they're a rookie QB away from a superbowl right now.
Or that any of these rookie QBs are a lock to be winners if and when the team gets better down the line.
So, we agree that they're probably going QB at 4, right? That's really the only viable option to piss everyone off.
Quote from: SD on April 08, 2013, 08:52:05 AM
Quote from: Dillen on April 07, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
Yes, Smith has tools to be successful. Explain in your own words how his "tools" are different than say, Andy Dalton or Kevin Kolb.
You just gave me two guys who were second round picks, here's what I said about Smith a few posts ago:
To me at 4 you need to select a guy who's as close to can't miss as possible. So you don't take a chance on a guy like Smith at that spot.
No shtein they're 2nd round QB's. As prospects, were Kevin Kolb and Andy Dalton franchise QB's? Because Geno is on par with them. If he's the first franchise QB in the history of the league who is only graded as a 2nd rounder, the Eagles really need to snag him.
............
QuoteBut I don't see how it hurts to take a chance on him in the second round.
Because this team sucks ass and you don't "take a shot" for no reason. If you're afraid of missing badly at 4, you should be afraid of that at 35 too, especially with no other 2nd or 3rd rounders. That pick is just as important to a team with 300 billion holes.
damn--dillen's been an angry son-of-a-bitch lately
Quote from: reese125 on April 08, 2013, 01:14:50 PM
damn--dillen's been an angry son-of-a-bitch lately
I know...after reading his last post I started to wonder if he knows me beyond this board. Like maybe I owe him money or banged his old lady or something.
lol salty Dillen...never seen him like this before
he was at a point for a very long time where he would just chime in on bball talk with occasional fball here and there, but then over the past the months hes been like farg these iceholes--time to get to know the real me
McLane's order for #4 (http://articles.philly.com/2013-04-07/sports/38348735_1_dion-jordan-chip-kelly-luke-joeckel)
1 = Fisher
2 = Jordan
3 = Lotulelei
4 = Milliner
5 = Lane Johnson
6 = Floyd
7 = Joeckel
8 = Ansah
9 = Warmack
10 = Smith
Milliner all day. Yes please.
Quote from: reese125 on April 08, 2013, 02:10:03 PM
he was at a point for a very long time where he would just chime in on bball talk with occasional fball here and there, but then over the past the months hes been like farg these iceholes--time to get to know the real me
Ha. Yeah, you could say that having the exact same Geno Smith conversation every single day since the season has ended has gotten to me a little. The negativity around here is contagious.
what negativity?
go farg your mother icehole.
I wouldn't call it negativity. I'd say institutional pessimism caused by overexposure to Andy Reid. It'll take a while to clear up.
Or not, because you're all the worst people.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 08, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
So, we agree that they're probably going QB at 4, right? That's really the only viable option to piss everyone off.
You're forgetting about the trade up for a player they could have had at pick 8
Would QB at 4 piss people off more than RB at 4? What about trading down and drafting one of each?
53 years & counting = salty fan base
That's a lot of farging salt!
About that Andy Reid thing, it's just wonderful isn't it?
I can't wait to see who the Eagles take as the first players after Reid, they'll be a interesting group to follow.
EJ was at NovaCare again today
Shut your filthy whore mouth, you.
McShay's 5.0 mock released yesterday has the Eagles taking Star
Eagles canceled Milliner's visit, apparently. For whatever that's worth.
Mosher suggests trading out of the first round completely and picking up four or five 2nds and 3rds instead. fkkkk no
He also used Gaines Adams as an example of #4 picks that busted. "He was out of the league after only 3 years!" Yeah, well the dying thing sorta helped with that...
I'd argue that if we played a dead Gaines Adams out of position at CB, he would have been an upgrade over Nnamdi last year.
id trade out of the first entirely but somewhere in the return would have to be someones 2014 #1
Matt Kalil was drafted #4 last year.
A.J. Green was drafted there in 2011.
Trent Williams in 2010.
All Pro Bowlers.
Now, if there's a team in the universe that could break a string like that it would be our Iggles, but still... throwing Gaines Adams' name out there as "PROOF!" they should do it is, well, you know.
easy misrepresenting moshers stance by just bringing up gaines adams
his piece is below and in it mosher mentions aj green - kalil and trent williams....he does mention adams but he also mentions jamarcus russell and darren mcfadden
the basis of his argument is not gaines adams...its that this draft is not top heavy but it is very depth heavy...which is actually a really valid argument whether you agree with it or not
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-draft-strategy-they-should-trade-down
It would be if the Eagles had Ozzie Newsome running the personnel department.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
It would be if the Eagles had Ozzie Newsome running the personnel department.
def agree with this but i also agree with moshers thinking....except you are not moving out of the first like they did in the kolb trade....you are moving from the top 5 to the second round....that HUGE....and if im gonna do that i want a potential difference maker and a #1 next year could do that....moving down 30+ spots into the second round is not worth a few extra second day picks imo
id like to move down and get warmack or cooper
Curry was the other #4 pick he brought up
I'd be OK with trading out of the first if the Eagles were picking in the 20s, but it's hard to buy into a plan where it's better to have Manuel, Jamar Taylor, Kyle Long, a mid-level LB and a mid-level DL than having Joeckel/Fisher/Jordan/Star, Manuel and a 3rd-rd CB/OT. And if the Eagles are getting a #1 next year in a deal, I don't want it to be something in the bottom quarter, but you aren't going to get Oakland, Jacksonville, San Diego or the Jets to trade next year's pick
By trading down or out you're simply making it more difficult for a personnel team that has shown no ability to pick the right guy when he's there, much less having to get lucky and have someone fall to them.
If they mess up #4 it's going to be a monumental shock because there's 5 guys in the top 5 that are going to be franchise-quality starters for a decade. Now, they could pull a re-re move and take Geno there, but I doubt Kelly is going to allow that to happen.
No. Just take Fisher or Joekel (or even Lane Johnson) and be thankful you finally had a shot to find someone to protect whatever golden boy quarterback you're going to select next year or later in this draft. This is such a no-brainer it defies description.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
Just take Fisher or Joekel (or even Lane Johnson) and be thankful you finally had a shot to find someone to protect whatever golden boy quarterback you're going to select next year or later in this draft. This is such a no-brainer it defies description.
OT's have lost a lot of value in the new nfl....mobile qb's....read options....shorter drops...quick throws...ect...have all lessened the amount of time the tackle has to hold blocks....the days of everyone having a pro set offense where you take a seven step drop bounce around on your toes and survey the field is happening less and less...defenses are sending pressure up the middle more than ever and from a myriad of areas...its not just about focusing on the edge...i dont say this because im anti tackle and i would be happy with one but at 4 one of the tackles isnt in my top three options at that spot
And yet the last time the Eagles had a quarterback play a full season was...
If they get a 10 year starter at OT it will be a miracle but even if they just get a good starter it would cure two problems (move Wost back to OG) with one move.
i dont know that one of those guys will be a better OT in the nfl than todd herremans....however i do know that warmack especially but also cooper will be 1 billion times better at guard than the fireman...this is why i would go OG
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-draft-strategy-they-should-stay-put
Ruben's a tool but he's got this one right for a change.
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/04/12/philadelphia-eagles-mock-draft-draft-day-trades-edition/
^ I'll just go ahead and off myself if that happens. ^
Then let me be the first to say R.I.P. romey.
whats on gods earth is rant sports and why are you reading it
Yeah I didn't even click the link. Its probably crap like the bleacher report.
And why do ya say Roob is a tool? Him and the Philly Mag duo are my go to for Iggles news
it was a link on csn philly.
http://www.csnphilly.com/eagles/kubiak-upset-see-barwin-casey-leave-eagles
at the bottom in the box...
roob is a decent writer but hes almost as big an eagle homer as eskin....i cant take anything he says seriously
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2013, 08:55:09 PM
Yeah I didn't even click the link. Its probably crap like the bleacher report.
And why do ya say Roob is a tool? Him and the Philly Mag duo are my go to for Iggles news
He's a fleshpop, Jay. Trust me.
He's always been cool with me when i spoke to him up at Lehigh.
hes also a know it all who mocks anyone that questions what he says...in short hes a fleshpop
He got his size 52 panties in a knot when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on Facebook (hi, PG!). Seriously, it was like I was calling one of his children retarded or something. He's not Eckel but he's no Ray Diddy or Bill Lyon, that's for sure.
it was nuts how far up andys ass he was....the amount of excuses he made for him was crazy
bill1chair didn't get as upset when I asked him how much he charged the neighborhood kids for mustache rides in the '70s.
QuoteAlbertBreer
And this is based just on gut -- Big part of me wonders if Ziggy Ansah intrigues Philly at 4. Seems like a Chip Kelly-type of player.
Didn't know Chip was into mormons too
Who isn't?
i dont think it would be a surprise at all if they took him...im not sure why that person is saying its a "gut" feeling like it would be a shock if it happened...normally id be all over a superfreak athlete with incredible upside...but not this year at four...dont get me wrong id be super excited if they end up with him but theres several guys id take over someone with as much bust possibility as ziggy
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 15, 2013, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 15, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
Who isn't?
Teams that like winning Super Bowls.
Yeah, but then you have to buy a place to display the trophy, buy polish...they just don't want the hassle.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/roseman-first-round-pick-won%E2%80%99t-be-project
Howie says the 1st round pick won't be a "project player" so I guess that's a good thing. I'd feel better about it though if he said that they were just going to take the best player on the board.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
He got his size 52 panties in a knot when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on Facebook (hi, PG!). Seriously, it was like I was calling one of his children retarded or something. He's not Eckel but he's no Ray Diddy or Bill Lyon, that's for sure.
This was one of my top 5 facebook experiences ever.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 15, 2013, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
He got his size 52 panties in a knot when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on Facebook (hi, PG!). Seriously, it was like I was calling one of his children retarded or something. He's not Eckel but he's no Ray Diddy or Bill Lyon, that's for sure.
This was one of my top 5 facebook experiences ever.
lol...what happened
Rube being Rube and Rome being Rome. Rube actually said (in reply to a comment I made) that Howie was a "highly regarded football guy" around the NFL.
Peter King:
QuoteEagles have been nutty about getting players who fit the 3-4. Hear they like Star Lotulelei a lot to play all along the line, even at nose. Where they go -- Geno Smith, pass rusher, best corner in the draft -- I don't know, but my guess is pass rusher.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 NFL draft the Philadelphia Eagles select? Two questions now that we're only 4 days from the draft:
Who is the Eagles pick? Do they trade back or take the BPA?
My gut tells me they're trying to trade back for more picks. They're doing a lot of posturing with showing interest in certain players and whatnot. If they don't move back I think Fisher is their guy and I'm fine with that pick.
http://articles.philly.com/2013-04-20/sports/38695305_1_luke-joeckel-eric-fisher-howie-roseman
Question two: Rumor has it Atlanta is hot for Dee Millner. They come knocking on the Eagles door and offer similar to what they gave the Browns for the 6th pick which turned out to be Julio Jones do you do it?
1st- (30th overall), second- (60th) and fourth-round (127th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012.
Don't know if I'd do it because the firsts are very late which are almost 2nds.
I think the EJ Manuel interest is legit. He's probably a late first and I think they're going to try to trade their second and a later pick to move up to get him.
farg dee miliner
trade back and take one of the guards....shtein id be happy with warmack at four
I wouldn't
You can trade back and still get him
I love Warmack but I don't know how he fits Chips scheme. He's a grater like Larry Allen...which would be fine if their offense was a power run offense like the Cowboys were. Chips schemes are all about zones, angling defenders peeling off and anhilating the next level.
Howie was on either WIP or the Fanatic a few weeks ago and was HYPING THE HELL out of Millner. It's posturing for a trade back because I don't think they have any interest in drafting him.
I would take that proposed ATL deal in a milisecond.
I do not want Fisher.
I would prefer to trade back and get Jones
also - Warmack's OL coach at ALA is now the Birds OL coach
Quote from: SD on April 21, 2013, 07:20:20 PM
You can trade back and still get him.
thats fine then do it
but if they took cooper or warmack at four it would be money
not only are they the best guards in like the last 20 years but they fill the single worst position (danny watkins RG) on the roster
Early word is this is how the top 3 will go:
Chiefs - Joeckel
Jags - Jordan
Raiders - Floyd
I love Jones but I don't see them selecting a LB that early. Plus they have a bunch of guys who can fill the predator portion of Davis's defense like Barwin. I'm sure Graham and Curry will also get looks.
They're not winning anything this year so get the lines squared away and then worry about a QB next year.
I hope they draft Manuel just so I can see rome's head explode
Quote from: SD on April 21, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
I hope they draft Manuel just so I can see rome's head explode
IN
Quote from: SD on April 21, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
I hope they draft Manuel just so I can see rome's head explode
second round announcer..."and the Eagles select EJ Manuel, QB Fla State"
Rome...."who'd they draft? I was watching re-runs of My Three Sons"
watching home videos of vukes widow
If you want 5-10 years of misery with Manuel then by all means hope they draft him.
Quote from: Rome on April 21, 2013, 08:36:52 PM
If you want 5-10 years of misery with Manuel then by all means hope they draft him.
haha
I don't watch a lot of FSU games but from what I read of Manuel he has the tools to be a decent NFL QB. His big knock seems to be he forces too many throws which would drive me insane but 6'5 QBs with mobility don't grow on trees.
ive watched a ton of him and im with rome....he stinks.....but i also will be the first to admit i have no idea whats makes a good qb
I still don't follow college football, when did FSU quarterbacks in the draft stop being a joke?
You guys know I'm an FSU fan, so trust me, you don't want this guy wearing an Eagles uniform.
I wouldn't put it past Howie to draft him or to fall in love with his measurables, but he's a loser who chokes in big games. Haven't we had enough of them to last a lifetime?
SD, I'm done with mobility. Give me a QB who can run an offense, throw under pressure, and lead his receivers instead of throwing at them.
The Jets come to the Eagles and offer 9 and 13 for 4 and 35...Do you make that trade?
Yeah, but there's no way that happens
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
The Jets come to the Eagles and offer 9 and 13 for 4 and 35...Do you make that trade?
First I tell the Jets to hold. Then I mute the phone and giggle uncontrollably. When I calm down, I unmute the phone and make the trade.
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
The Jets come to the Eagles and offer 9 and 13 for 4 and 35...Do you make that trade?
Why would they do that? Seriously, I'm asking.
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
The Jets come to the Eagles and offer 9 and 13 for 4 and 35...Do you make that trade?
No way that would happen, but in this year's draft I don't think a team would even think twice about it.
Sal Pal on Mikey Miss saying Jordon's shoulder injury is raising a red flag. Lane Johnson is climbing everyone's board.
He thinks birds go OT. If all three studs gone watch them take WV WR Tavon Austin.
McShay's latest mock:
-- Eagles take Lane
-- Joeckel/Fisher/Floyd top 3
-- Eifert to the Browns at #6 (yea ok)
-- Jordan to the Cardinals at #7
-- Nassib to the Bills at #8
-- Milliner to the Titans at #10
-- Warmack to the Dolphins at #12
-- Star to the Panthers at #14
-- Geno completely out of the 1st round
Kiper's latest mock:
-- Eagles take Geno
-- Joeckel/Ansah/Floyd top 3
-- Milliner to the Lions
-- Jordan to the Browns
-- Fisher to the Cardinals
-- Star to the Titans
-- Lane to the Chargers
-- Warmack to the Jets at #13
If the Eagles take Geno Smith at #4 then just go ahead and ship the franchise to L.A.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 22, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
Kiper's latest mock:
-- Eagles take Geno
Oh farg, no, no, NO!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
I would take that proposed ATL deal in a milisecond.
I do not want Fisher.
I would prefer to trade back and get Jones
also - Warmack's OL coach at ALA is now the Birds OL coach
Just curious, why don't you want Fisher?
I don't want any OT.
Defensive studs needed. Nasty rip off your head motherfargers.
OT is fine with Peters and Herremans.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
OT is fine with Peters and Herremans.
They're both long in the tooth and coming off injuries. OT is a need and luckily Herremans is versatile meaning they can get away with drafting an OT and not having him wait his turn.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
I don't want any OT.
Defensive studs needed. Nasty rip off your head motherfargers.
OT is fine with Peters and Herremans.
OK got it, it isn't anything against Fisher.
Fisher or Joeckel are the only 2 players I'd be satisfied with at 4 since for me there are a few others right behind them that are roughly about the same and I'd be happier if they were able to drop a few slots and get one. It is a good point about the D needs but as I look at it, this as a five year plan with probably 3 years before they expect to be competitive in the playoffs. So with that in mind I'd rather get a stud tackle while they can now (a 2fer with manneans to RG) and build up the D over the next couple of years.
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2013, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
OT is fine with Peters and Herremans.
They're both long in the tooth and coming off injuries. OT is a need and luckily Herremans is versatile meaning they can get away with drafting an OT and not having him wait his turn.
They're both born in 1982....31yrs old. That's not old in OL years at all.
no QB +
no RB +
no Canadian fireman +
no "smartest guys in the room" pick
= OK pick with me
They need everything. Take the best player, dammit.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2013, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2013, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
OT is fine with Peters and Herremans.
They're both long in the tooth and coming off injuries. OT is a need and luckily Herremans is versatile meaning they can get away with drafting an OT and not having him wait his turn.
They're both born in 1982....31yrs old. That's not old in OL years at all.
that is old...and peters coming off double achilles injuries is even older....that said id rather have one of the guards than the tackle this year just because they are dominant at their position where as none of the tackles grade out as studs
For real. Manneans and Peters are farging ancient with injury histories. If one of the tackles is there you take him without hesitation.
But really what everyone wants them to do is trade back because that makes the most sense in lots of obvious ways. So instead they'll draft Smith and I'll spend the rest of the offseason and most of the season being angry about it.
Schefter says the Eagles are one of five teams in the top 12 that want to trade back. The Lions, Browns, Bills and Dolphins are the others
cant imagine the dolphins not wanting to move up
No need to if they're trading for Albert. They'll stay and take a CB
it's nice to know these things in advance.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2013, 10:46:30 AM
No need to if they're trading for Albert. They'll stay and take a CB
would be idiotic to give up a pick for albert instead of giving up a pick to go and get one of the rookie tackles...they are doing everything they can to trade up....albert is the fallback option
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
Schefter says the Eagles are one of five teams in the top 12 that want to trade back. The Lions, Browns, Bills and Dolphins are the others
This is why the last few weeks up to the draft are so useless. It's all mundane information that somehow qualifies as "news", where basically everything these reporters have been told has a 50.50 chance of being true or complete horseshtein.
yeah they literally make stuff up and just throw it out there to see what sticks....as of now and the last month or so dolphins are so obviously trying to move up...yet schefter says back...
albert has been on the trade market for a couple months...if they wanted him they could have had him a long time ago....they want one of the rookie tackles....actually wouldnt suprise at all if they are trying to get up to four
my wants for this year.....
Selection 1
A. chance warmack – day one probowl level starter....no other player in the draft can say this....would fill the weakest spot on the entire team (the fireman)...high floor high ceiling...cant ask for much more than that (would be absolutely nothing wrong with jonathan cooper her as well)
C. louie louie – DT – also really like shariff here (nicetown represent)...but i think louie fits better as he would be able to step out and be a disruptive force as a 5 technique...shariff can play in the 3-4 i believe (some people dont) but hes more limited to a one gap guy although i think he can be a great at it...either one of them and fletcher cox would be a terrific foundation along the d front...
B. dion jordan - OLB– truth be told im really down with whoever the eagles choose here...cant think of anyone that would piss me off...trent cole and brandon graham playing in space is not a good look...they badly need athleticism on the front seven and especially on the edges...jordan would fit the bill perfectly..negatives are that he may be a couple years away from realizing full potential and does have some bust properties
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Selection 2
A. tank carradine – OLB/DE – big time upside as a playmaker disrupter...coming off a knee injury...its this injury that will have to cause him to fall to 35 because talent wise hes a no doubt first rounder
B. justin pugh – OG – three year tackle in college but is destined for the inside in the nfl...would start day one plus has a nice upside....would be an unbelievable value pick in the second round especially considering the hole it would fill...he also should be able to fill in at tackle....providing depth along the line...bucks county represent
C. datone jones - DE – has incredible hands...is long like chipper supposedly likes and can get to the qb...physical specimen and massive look test PASS...like about 50 other players in the draft he could go from somewhere in the 20's of the first round to the tens of the second round
D. john cyprien – S – great tackler (will stop people) but not a monster hitter (penalty machine) which fits in the new nfl perfectly imo...hes not going to be out on an island for you nor will he run with a lot of wr's....but has more than enough range to be a playmaker....very questionable as to whether he will be around at 35
E. justin hunter – WR – eagles probably cant afford a boom or bust pick here but hunters upside is so big and their need for a true number one big outside wr is so great that I wouldnt hate on this
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Selection 3
A. jamie collins – OLB – phreaky ability....would be a solid second day selection as a fall back plan to not getting dion jordan in the first round (if they even want dion jordan)...sick combine might push this cat into the second round
B. brian schwenke – C – one thing the eagles desperately need to address in this draft is OL depth...schwenke would do that and his ability to play G or C would make him the perfect back up.....not that he wouldn't or couldnt win a starting job
C. phillip thomas – S – all around safety prospect...very good tackler who also makes all kinds of plays on the ball...better suited for free but i think if needed he could move to strong and you wouldnt be hurt....had a bad leg injury in 2011
D. larry warford – G – imo he wont be here going somewhere after 35 and before 67 but hes a good enough talent to trade up for in the right deal and if somehow he falls to 67 then it's a no brainer
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Selection 4
A. corey lemonier – OLB – great ability to get off the edge as a pass rusher but also played in space at auburn...would be an ideal 3-4 outside backer
B. hugh thorton – G – another versatile lineman that the eagles could add to the mix....played tackle senior year in college but he almost has to be a G in the pros with the ability to move outside in an injury situation
C. jordan reed – TE – hybrid TE type that can take advantage of match ups all over the field....ideal for the 2013 version of the nfl
D. stephan taylor – i know the last thing they need is a rb.....but i love everything about taylor...one of the better blocking backs ive seen in college and a top notch pass catcher out of the back field...is both powerful and shifty...would be a great all around weapon for chipper to line up almost anywhere he wanted...
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Selection 5
A. lerentee mcray – OLB – nice athlete who can get his man off the edge...if you saw the florida tex am game this year you will remember him working the joker...if nothing else he should be a great special teamer/back up...but def has potential to significantly contribute on defense.
B. earl watford – OG – overbrook holla!!....athletic guard with great feet who can also power...level of competition is an issue but at this stage of the draft would be a nice value pick to coach up
C. khaled holmes – C – lineman who can really move and get out to the second level...added bonus is he is supposed to be a natural born leader and super coachable...perfect attributes for a center and a locker room in general
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Selections 6-9
A. nick williams – DT – very talented high ceiling (for a 3rd day guy) player shouldn't fall this far but im banking on the eagles to move up out of the 7th since they have four picks there...this would be a really good guy to target...limited experience
B. jakar hamilton – FS – another versatile guy....who could corner up in nickel/dime packages
C. jaron brown – WR – overshadowed by clemsons other lock nfl wr's brown has the talent and skill to shine...i also read one scout even mentioned that he would be potential change of position player to CB....seems like the perfect 7th round flyer
D. dewayne cherrington – DT – absolute load of a beast who can also move a little although hes strictly a 0-1 technique nose
E. marcus davis – WR – his talent should cause him to go higher but again maybe they can steal him in the 5th or 6th with a trade up...has borderline elite measureables
F. dax swanson – CB – very small but has legit cover skills...would look good as a 4th corner man to man guy.
G. david king – DE – dook was a stud coming out of high school but never quite flashed like he was supposed to in college....that said he has a great body that will allow him to move around the line of scrimmage...huge look test PASS
H. jonathan stewart – ILB – think he would be a great special teamer and a great competitor in a camp setting
I. zach sudfeld – TE – big 6-7 tight end who can move a little bit too....injury issues
J. earl wolff – SS – another guy that probably will go 6th round...I think he can be a starter one day but if not a very good back up and a special teams monster
A
C
B
Leave him alone, he's from Philly.
I want...
Whores.
Eight Ball.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
Schefter says the Eagles are one of five teams in the top 12 that want to trade back. The Lions, Browns, Bills and Dolphins are the others
I'll be surprised if the Eagles actually select at 4. I think they're trading back to the 10 range and picking up an extra second and maybe a later pick or 2014 pick.
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
I want...
Whores.
Eight Ball.
I fall in love with you a little more every time you post sweet little nothings like that.
LaCanfora name drops Barkevious Mingo as a possibility at 4. Said he's been hearing his name there a lot
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
LaCanfora name drops Barkevious Mingo as a possibility at 4. Said he's been hearing his name there a lot
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
LaCanfora name drops Barkevious Mingo as a possibility at 4. Said he's been hearing his name there a lot
hes either completely making it up or the eagles are feeding him false info
-- Rapoport mentions Austin as a possibility if they trade back
-- Mosher is hearing Manuel might go top 20, then this afternoon Manuel claims the Eagles want him bad (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagles-they-want-me-pretty-bad)
Baldinger is on the Barkevious Mingo train too - said hes rocketed up the Eagles board.
pass on mingo unless they're trading down to 10-12.
Has anyone else seen this corny ass mock-draft-role-playing-exercise ESPN did today with Trey Wingo, Mangini and a couple other dudes whose names escape me? They went through the draft order pretending that they were each respective team's war room and put themselves on the clock. They talked about needs with each person kind of arguing for this guy or that. Then they'd get a fake phone call with some sort of trade offer that they'd talk about and then make a fake call back to either accept or deny the proposal. It may have been the worst thing ESPN has ever put on the air.
i dont buy all this mingo talk...usually when something is leaking out this much 24 hours before a draft its all a smokescreen...why would howie go to baldinger or anyone else and tell them mingo is their guy if it was true....sounds to me like maybe chip covets his boy dion and they are trying to downplay him in the hopes that gus or the raiders or another team trading up doesnt take him
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 24, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
Has anyone else seen this corny ass mock-draft-role-playing-exercise ESPN did today with Trey Wingo, Mangini and a couple other dudes whose names escape me? They went through the draft order pretending that they were each respective team's war room and put themselves on the clock. They talked about needs with each person kind of arguing for this guy or that. Then they'd get a fake phone call with some sort of trade offer that they'd talk about and then make a fake call back to either accept or deny the proposal. It may have been the worst thing ESPN has ever put on the air.
I remember seeing it last year. If that channel didn't have Baseball Tonight I would cancel my cable just so I would never accidentally watch something on ESPN again.
So they not only did they do it before, but they also received enough positive feedback to do it again?
I really didn't think it would be possible for me to hate anything sports related as much as I hate EPSN. Feva needs to work his ass up the totem pole and fix this shtein, pronto.
Or maybe Feva's actually responsible for that shtein and needs to be fired?
Either way.
It's probably Feva's goddamn fault.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagles-they-want-me-pretty-bad
NOOOOOOOO!!!
All of this with Mingo/Manuel/Smith and whoever else is just posturing. I'm sure they have a deal in place to move back, now they're trying to get someone else to up the ante.
trade back a few slots, pick up a few picks, draft warmack, profit.
I didn't see the mock war room shtein (thank god) but several years ago they did the same thing kind of with Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight and it was embarrassingly awful.
Espn is full of shtein and zesty ideas.
Hey, come on now. That dramatic show about a football team was good, right?
Seeing some rumors the Chiefs are seriously considering taking Fisher #1 overall
His arms are still growing!
i know everything points to the chiefs taking a tackle...and it also would follow the best player available rule but i dont understand the pick...none of these tackles grade out as elite and the chiefs already have a very good tackle in albert...i would be so mad if i was a kc fan this year having the #1 pick for the first time ever in a year with no HOF prospects at the top and the best players that are there would be a lateral move for your franchise
fwiw jaws said yesterday that he thinks if theres a qb andy likes that he will take him number one....said andy knows that position is the most important in sports and that he could take geno or nassib and let them learn for a year or two behind alex smith
If the Chiefs took a QB first the entertainment factor would be awesome.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to express how happy I am that Reid is gone.
what i would love more than anything is if andy misses his pick somehow.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:10:02 AM
i know everything points to the chiefs taking a tackle...and it also would follow the best player available rule but i dont understand the pick...none of these tackles grade out as elite and the chiefs already have a very good tackle in albert...i would be so mad if i was a kc fan this year having the #1 pick for the first time ever in a year with no HOF prospects at the top and the best players that are there would be a lateral move for your franchise
fwiw jaws said yesterday that he thinks if theres a qb andy likes that he will take him number one....said andy knows that position is the most important in sports and that he could take geno or nassib and let them learn for a year or two behind alex smith
according to mayock today fisher is elite and ranks both him and joekel the same.
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8430/mcnabb.gif)
Nightmare.
Seriously.
fisher is still a work in progress hes certainly not elite
joeckel is a very good player but hes not an elite prospect like calvin johnson was or andrew luck was or any other of the truly top end guys weve seen come out in the past
That said, he's going to be an All-Pro his rookie season.
I think if Reid had a high grade on any QB he wouldn't have traded for Smith. I expect them to take a QB in rd 3/4 that he thinks he can grow like Bray or someone.
Mayock also said Lane Johnson has freakish ability and more upside that either of the two other tackles. I think it is just as likely he ends up an Eagle as any other player in the draft.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2013, 10:58:28 AM
I think if Reid had a high grade on any QB he wouldn't have traded for Smith. I expect them to take a QB in rd 3/4 that he thinks he can grow like Bray or someone.
i agree with you but to play devils advocate one might say that the chiefs have yet to extend smith and if he was truly their qb of the future wouldnt they have done so after trading for him?...as of now he is only in kc thru next season...in other words a bridge to their true future signal caller
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 25, 2013, 11:05:06 AM
I think it is just as likely he ends up an Eagle as any other player in the draft.
oh definitely.....its absolutely nuts how wide open this draft is
seems like most have them taking johnson
i think theres a good chance someone trades up to the raiders spot and takes him....which would be fine with me...not that id be against any of them but taking one of the tackles would be last on my list of wants
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 10:49:02 AM
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8430/mcnabb.gif)
Nightmare.
Seriously.
lol I want him drafted even more now
PLEASE FIGHT ME!
At least someone in that picture passes the look test.
i only post this because mcshay is saying hes getting his info from people within the chiefs organization and kc has no reason to smokescreen but he thinks they will take fisher over the joker...he then has jordan to the gus....chargers trading up to take the joker at 3 and the birds taking johnson
also five round round scouts inc eagles projection
1. lane johnson
2. ej manuel
3. honey badger
4. brian schwenke
5. chris gragg
I've seen a bunch of mocks with honey badger going to the birds. Not sure how I feel about that, but was for some reason compelled to post. Shut up.
yeah most people seem to think the chiefs will "surprise" people and take Fisher. Is it really a surprise when most people seem to be predicting it now?
I know Fisher has good measurables and people said he looked really good on tape, but aren't they overthinking things a bit? If he and Joeckel have similar #s, why not take the guy who you saw on tape do it every week against the SEC versus the dude from Central Michigan, who could look great, but you just don't have the same amount of tape on him versus elite players? Has to be a little more projection with him.
Yes
farg No
Yes
Look test = massive FAIL so yes.
Sure, why not?
Could be a system issue with Fisher/Joeckel.
Take whoever looks like a better fit.
I just can't help but have this feeling that the other 31 other teams are so much better at drafting than we.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg103/Sun_Mo/78UKA_zps2fd125da.jpg)
you ain't got no problem holmes.....howie on da bitch
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
I just can't help but have this feeling that the other 31 other teams are so much better at drafting than we.
Reid is running the draft of one of those teams, so all is not lost.
You just gave me hope.
I've now heard three "experts" suggest the Eagles are taking Geno Smith at 4.
Sweet Jesus I hate this farging team.
dont believe that at all. that being said, IF chip is convinced geno is his guy, gotta pull the trigger at 4. no waiting and seeing who falls where and when and maybe trading back in nonsense. if you think he's a franchise qb pull the trigger.
Does anyone else just want this be over? I've gotten a text from 10+ people today "who the Eagles taking at 4?" and I clearly don't know the farging answer.
That being said, I'm down with an OT, Jordan, or Ansah. Would be extremely disappointed with Geno or trading down for Manuel or something.
ansah scares the shtein out of me at 4....normally hes a player that would be right in my wheelhouse but i do not want him this year
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 06:04:58 PM
I've now heard three "experts" suggest the Eagles are taking Geno Smith at 4.
Sweet Jesus I hate this farging team.
They're doing a good job of convincing the rest of the league he's their guy. If Joekel or Fisher aren't there at 4 they're trading back
I'm watching Sports Nation at the moment and Charissa Thompson in her skin-tight red leather pants and high heels really needs a hug from me.
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2013, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 06:04:58 PM
I've now heard three "experts" suggest the Eagles are taking Geno Smith at 4.
Sweet Jesus I hate this farging team.
They're doing a good job of convincing the rest of the league he's their guy. If Joekel or Fisher aren't there at 4 they're trading back
i didnt see the three experts romey is talking about today but i havent seen/heard the eagles attached to geno in weeks
1 was on NFL Network, 1 was on ESPN. They were just talking about it a few minutes ago on NFL Network.
The other was earlier in the day when I was at work. I think it was one of the dipshteins in Philly.
Edit - it was Dan Graziano from ESPN. Kiper & McShay were on it too but it was more they think they should take him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 06:22:25 PM
ansah scares the shtein out of me at 4....normally hes a player that would be right in my wheelhouse but i do not want him this year
I'd only want him as a LB, I feel like he could have the biggest impact on the defensive side of the ball for this team... not hoping for him by any means, but I'd like him. This team can't really afford to miss at 4...
Where you guys watch the draft? ESPN or NFLN?
Quote from: Dillen on April 25, 2013, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 06:22:25 PM
ansah scares the shtein out of me at 4....normally hes a player that would be right in my wheelhouse but i do not want him this year
I'd only want him as a LB, I feel like he could have the biggest impact on the defensive side of the ball for this team... not hoping for him by any means, but I'd like him. This team can't really afford to miss at 4...
Where you guys watch the draft? ESPN or NFLN?
thats one of the problems...imo hes a classic 4-3 edge rusher...if the eagles want a olb then jordan is the obvious call...but im sure you are assuming hes going to jacksonville
i watch espn and dvr nfln...then when espn is in a commerical or suzie kolber is interviewing the cardinals gm ill watch mayock go over the latest pick...other than him nfln is unwatchable
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 06:37:36 PM
1 was on NFL Network, 1 was on ESPN. They were just talking about it a few minutes ago on NFL Network.
The other was earlier in the day when I was at work. I think it was one of the dipshteins in Philly.
Edit - it was Dan Graziano from ESPN. Kiper & McShay were on it too but it was more they think they should take him.
cant speak on graziano....but ive watched every second of kiper/mcshay on epsn and elsewhere and the words geno and eagles have not come out of eithers mouth together in about a month
is there really a red carpet this year?
lol
florio was saying earlier today that he thinks cleveland is trying to jump the eagles to take geno.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
I'm watching Sports Nation at the moment and Charissa Thompson in her skin-tight red leather pants and high heels really needs a hug from me.
Googling Charissa Thompson now...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 06:45:44 PM
thats one of the problems...imo hes a classic 4-3 edge rusher...if the eagles want a olb then jordan is the obvious call...but im sure you are assuming hes going to jacksonville
I feel like he's athletic enough to play in space in a 3-4, and it'll give him some more room to run around and farg people up. I think he could have the strongest impact out of anyone available on d and it's been forever since the Eagles have had any one of those. Could be that they only see him as a DL in a 3-4 though. Definitely could be a colossal bust, but I'll be excited if it happens.
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
I'm watching Sports Nation at the moment and Charissa Thompson in her skin-tight red leather pants and high heels really needs a hug from me.
Googling Charissa Thompson now...
Standard blonde, but it looks like she got her eyes from the same gene pool as Blake Griffin.
*I'd still bang her, she's cute.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 07:00:35 PM
is there really a red carpet this year?
lol
http://deadspin.com/ok-the-nfl-draft-has-gone-too-far-481471464
awful
Quote from: Dillen on April 25, 2013, 07:10:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 06:45:44 PM
thats one of the problems...imo hes a classic 4-3 edge rusher...if the eagles want a olb then jordan is the obvious call...but im sure you are assuming hes going to jacksonville
I feel like he's athletic enough to play in space in a 3-4, and it'll give him some more room to run around and farg people up. I think he could have the strongest impact out of anyone available on d and it's been forever since the Eagles have had any one of those. Could be that they only see him as a DL in a 3-4 though. Definitely could be a colossal bust, but I'll be excited if it happens.
i guess its possible he could do it but he never has...and from watching him at the combine i didnt see the ability to shuffle and turn and move his hips the way you need to to cover in space...thats a lot to ask someone to do at 270+ lbs...if he were to play in a 3-4 i think hed have to be liek demarcus ware where he basically just stands up and rushes the qb...certainly no shame in that...but even there i didnt see him stand up much at all last season...so who knows if thats his game....i just cant justify taking ansah if you are running a 3-4...especially if jordan is there....and in general there isnt nearly a big enough resume there for me to take him at four this year when you cant risk a bust...id also put mingo over ziggy
who is everyones top 3 for who you want the eagles to get with their first pick....but dont include trading back because you want extra picks....who would be your top 3 assuming they stay at the four slot
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
who is everyones top 3 for who you want the eagles to get with their first pick....but dont include trading back because you want extra picks....who would be your top 3 assuming they stay at the four slot
Jarvis Jones
Dion Jordan
Ziggy Ansah
Warmack (who they won't pick)
Jordan
Johnson (or any of the 3 OTs)
I'm so glad I'm ignorant when it comes to these players...I don't get too high or too low...unless I see the last name Mamula or Justice again. I'll go into cardiac arrest.
They went D heavy in the draft last season and in free agency this offseason. So they're going O here especially with Kelly. That being said:
[in no particular order]
Joeckel
Fisher
Warmack
i put warmack barely ahead of cooper but if it happens that they take one of them i think its cooper because of his athleticism...i can see chip seeing warmack and thinking hes not enough of an athlete to run a play every 12 seconds for 60 minutes....its also why i think they favor johnson over def the joker and probably even fischer
Jesus Christ
i wanna punch in the throat every single fan there
joe is drunk again....suzie cowering somewhere right now
Get your draft boners out, it has begun!
Anyone else cringe when Namath walked up to the microphone?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:06:38 PM
i wanna punch in the throat every single fan there
That's the least I want to do.
Approximately 23 minutes before Dio starts caring.
errands >>>>>>>>>>NFL Draft
Anything is better than watching the draft on a Thursday night. I've had it on for two minutes and I'm ready to slit my wrists.
Not sure I can take another 4 hours of Berman and than add Gruden and his every kid is the greatest player in the history of the universe schtick.
lolol they make sure no one tweets out the pick before its announced and then the greaeball runner with the radio says its eric fischer right in front of the camera
scratch Fisher off the list
One thing is for sure, Fisher is a monster.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:16:25 PM
lolol they make sure no one tweets out the pick before its announced and then the greaeball runner with the radio says its eric fischer right in front of the camera
Each part of the presentation is somehow worst than the last.
Did Kiper really use Joeckel's 5.3 40 compared to Fisher's 5.03 as part of the justification for this pick....
Quote from: General_Failure on April 25, 2013, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:16:25 PM
lolol they make sure no one tweets out the pick before its announced and then the greaeball runner with the radio says its eric fischer right in front of the camera
Each part of the presentation is somehow worst than the last.
either that or the whole thing is heaven on earth...ill go with the second one
GUS!!
Berman can't even complete a sentence.
now the question is do the raiders move out and someone come in for johnson
Did Luke just kiss his hot mom?
This is pretty much the only time these guys meet Goodell, right?
if lane johnson gets picked here it will be so nuts how wide open the eagles pick is for being number four overall....if he doesnt go here isnt a lock to the birds but hes definitely the favorite
This upcoming Eagles pick is pretty much going to set the tone for Chip's administration here. Make it a good one.
they just went thru like six guys the raiders could take...this is the weirdest draft ever
there goes lane johnson
To be fair, it seems like these guys get dumber by the second
Daaaaamn
Raiders trade with Miami. Good bye Lane Johnson.
Good...now they cannot take an OT. Thank God
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:32:16 PM
they just went thru like six guys the raiders could take...this is the weirdest draft ever
I miss the good old days when the Raiders would just take whoever had the best 40 time.
Howie's on the clock.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 08:25:20 PM
now the question is do the raiders move out and someone come in for johnson
answer: yes
ok their 10 minutes is up you don't get extra farging time because of a trade. Get to the mic Goodell you piece of shtein
If Johnson goes here the iggles pick is wiiiiide open
That new Dolphin logo looks so damn smug.
Holy balls
Holy shtein a big shocker.
Johnson is still in play
holy shtein.....love that pick...they were shook chipper was gonna take him
hah! Traded up to get Dion Jordan before Chip could
Was this good or bad for the Eagles?
now the Eagles are gonna take a farging tackle
I'm cool with Johnson at 4
I like the look these players walk with, "I just became a millionaire".
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
Was this good or bad for the Eagles?
neither....unless you are in love with dion jordan
please no OT
I'm not, so, ok, no undersized DE drafted...it's a win already.
Just over 3 minutes until we all collectively pay for our sins.
thats a good deal for both teams
Only cost the Dolphins a second to move up 9 slots.
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 08:40:02 PM
Just over 3 minutes until we all collectively pay for our sins.
Andy's still gone, so it was worth it.
id def trade back if they can
The Internet is about to explode right now.
eh
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Booooo!
Wait, they just drafted MURP.
BOOOOOOOO!
so we'll get to see this phenom athletic ability this year
how much you wanna bet Howie says they had Johnson as their #1 rated offensive lineman?
Fireman should be kicked off the team immediately
Well, it gets fireman out of the starting lineup
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
how much you wanna bet Howie says they had Johnson as their #1 rated player?
God, those jerseys just seem to look worse every time I see them now. It really is time to switch to a real green again.
goodell hugs all these guys like he bangs all their mothers. I don't get it.
Massive erection
So....Johnson, Dixon, Cox, Wang, and penis?
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
So....Johnson, Dixon, Cox, Wang, and penis?
Don't forget Peters
Works for me. Would've preferred a trade down but no problem with the pick.
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
how much you wanna bet Howie says they had Johnson as their #1 rated offensive lineman?
Agree, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if true.
anyone else kinda wish youd hear more about how good of an offensive tackle the offensive tackle your team just drafted is rather than how good of an athlete he is for being an offensive tackle
I don't want to wait until 2024 to get that copy of Madden.
don't watch a lot of college ball but I might change this year with Barry junior
Humans look very ugly, specially football fans.
Look at that fargin' nerd the Lions drafted. His big dumb glasses don't even have lenses!
He sounds like he's quite the personality.
Berman is so upset that hey can't yell "Nevermind that shtein, here comes Mingo."
How many Dog Pound/Bark/Bite references are we going to hear through his career?
None, one watches Browns games.
Man jets fans are going to be upset with the rams stealing Austin.
Want the jets to draft Geno so I can see the building collapse live on tv
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2013, 09:06:03 PM
Want the jets to draft Geno so I can see the building collapse live on tv
that is hilarious
god damn the rams gave up the house for a 173 lb'er
there goes chancy....sad
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2013, 09:28:17 PM
there goes chancy....sad
At least it wasn't to Dallas. I saw a few mocks today that had him slipping to them.
lol king dunlop mention
the last 12 picks of this round are going to be fascinating....there are some really good players the eagles can get at 35 if just one of them will be there...theres just no telling...thats if they arent in love with romeys boy and already have in their mind thats who they are going after
Wtf is wrong with Floyd? Most had him going at 3 and now it's 14. Star is falling too.
i think a lot of teams look at louie louie as a tweener....theres no explanation for shariff
nm
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
Did Luke just kiss his hot mom?
we had a long conversation at the bar about this. that was a very awkward kiss on the lips. i assume it was his mom. glad we didn't get this dude.
his girlfriend has old school metal mouth braces....maybe it was her and thats why it was awkward
Quote from: phattymatty on April 25, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
Did Luke just kiss his hot mom?
i assume it was his mom. glad we didn't get this dude.
I think a sufficiently nasty O-lineman could get away with it. "Yeah, I farg my mom. I farg her right up the ass. If you have anything to say about it, I'll farg you too."
LOL :-D
Sounds like a great locker room guy.
this 2nd pick is so much more exciting than even the first i think.
obvi defense would be smart but i love eddie lacey. shady-lacey-brown. no need for defense.
the steelers like every single year picked my favorite player on D but i guess my pick would be cyprien or jesse williams. i would have loved elam still being there. dude is a stud.
so i bet they go geno.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2013, 07:29:38 AM
this 2nd pick is so much more exciting than even the first i think.
obvi defense would be smart but i love eddie lacey. shady-lacey-brown. no need for defense.
the steelers like every single year picked my favorite player on D but i guess my pick would be cyprien or jesse williams. i would have loved elam still being there. dude is a stud.
so i bet they go geno.
same feeling here. farging pittsburgh getting JJ just makes sense, and pisses me off. So i'm thinking they go either Geno or Nassib/Cyprien/Manti
their owner flew to godforsaken morgantown wva to see geno workout...until im proved wrong i think if they liked geno they would have already taken him...
i dont know why....just a gut feeling but i dont think they take a qb in the draft this year and if they do it will be matt scott later on...maybe its wishful thinking more than anything
manti is pretty much the opposite of a chipper type player and would be a big mistake for a 3-4 team...which imo is why even tho everyone said he would never get by the ravens they passed on him
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2013, 07:29:38 AM
this 2nd pick is so much more exciting than even the first i think.
obvi defense would be smart
Yes and yes.
Quotebut i love eddie lacey. shady-lacey-brown. no need for defense.
Jesus no.
Quotethe steelers like every single year picked my favorite player on D but i guess my pick would be cyprien or jesse williams. i would have loved elam still being there. dude is a stud.
so i bet they go geno.
Yes, yes. farging Steelers.
And I also have that awful feeling about Geno, although if they do end up taking him I won't be nearly as pissed off as I would have been had they taken him in the first.
I think the next three picks should be secondary, secondary, defensive line. People care what I think.
You guys have no idea how happy I am this morning.
Monster LT prospect in the bag instead of a QB no one else wanted? Win.
No Manuel? Win times infinity.
No hangover after the first day of the draft? Unsettling but minor win, I guess.
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Or maybe Feva's actually responsible for that shtein and needs to be fired?
Either way.
It's probably Feva's goddamn fault.
I actually did work on that piece as well as one on the Browns.
farg you guys. farg you in the mouth...
jesse williams, future philadelphia eagle
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I'm down with Williams, Banks or cyp in the second. Realistically I think this will be a surprise pick...just get that feeling.
I'm fine with Scott in ths 4th as a developmental guy because he fits Kelly's offense.
Quote from: Feva on April 26, 2013, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Or maybe Feva's actually responsible for that shtein and needs to be fired?
Either way.
It's probably Feva's goddamn fault.
I actually did work on that piece as well as one on the Browns.
farg you guys. farg you in the mouth...
haha
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2013, 09:17:48 AM
I'm down with Williams, Banks or cyp in the second. Realistically I think this will be a surprise pick...just get that feeling.
i wonder if the "suprise" pick might be margus hunt....or a gut feeling tells me justin hunter
not a suprise but watch out for damontre moore
i want...
1. TANK TANK TANK!! - other than jj hes the best edge rusher in this draft and he fits a 3-4....farging GET
2. cyprien
3. jamie collins - so hard to tell in this draft but i think you could maybe trade back and get him...i was hoping for him in the third round...but would be fine with him at 35....they MUST get an olb or two...it makes me ill to think of graham and killa as 3-4 backers
Quote from: Feva on April 26, 2013, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Or maybe Feva's actually responsible for that shtein and needs to be fired?
Either way.
It's probably Feva's goddamn fault.
I actually did work on that piece as well as one on the Browns.
farg you guys. farg you in the mouth...
It's not about placing blame. We all make mistakes. The important thing here is that this time next year, when you're in a meeting discussing pre-draft coverage, you smack the living shtein out of anyone who either suggests or is in favor of doing the mock war room again. I'm talking open hand, Rick James 5 fingers across the entire face smack. Don't puss out on this. This wrong has to be righted.
Look at the retiree making sense and being funny!
Hunt's a possibility. They still need DE and he has the size and athleticism Chip likes
Ertz is another guy to keep an eye on, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went to SF one pick before us
Bryce's bro is also in the mix
Agreed. I'm rooting for someone on D but it wouldn't surprise me if they pull Ertz out of the bag or a WR like Hunter.
ertz doesnt strike me as the kind of athlete chipper covets....hes basically brent celek...plus you just used a FA chip on the position...why would you throw ertz on top of the celek/casey duo....he would make no sense to me and i be furious if they took him
How would you respond if they went out and got Manti?
Furiouser?
Ertz is the best pass catching TE according to many. I also expect Casey to play more HBack. I want defense, just saying if they go O I wouldn't be shocked if its Ertz.
Carradine, Cyprien or Arthur Brown would be cool.
Agreed on Ertz...no.
Gil Brandt thinks they're going QB
well he had them picking geno yesterday so of course he's going to stick with it.
I'm hoping one of you guys is happy after the 2nd pick today. It's all that matters.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 26, 2013, 12:01:50 PM
I also expect Casey to play more HBack.
yeah casey is a different TE than celek....but the point is they have all bases covered at that position...hes an athletic TE ala arron hernandez...and celek is the more traditional TE...but they still have two TE's....unless there was some crazy fast athletic seam blaster available then there is absolutely zero justification to a TE...and with ertz all youd be doing is adding another celek
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
Carradine, Cyprien or Arthur Brown would be cool.
Agreed on Ertz...no.
yes on all of the above except brown....he cant play in a 3-4
dilfer absolutely slobbing matt scott....predicted he will be the eagles starting qb in three years
I love Scott as a Saturday pick
and speaking of absolutely slobbing, what was up with Gruden obsessively slobbing on Honey Badger over and over last night, is he his agent?
oh well, cyp went quick
I assume he was good?
Was he on Howie's list by any chance?
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2013, 06:38:54 PM
I assume he was good?
Was he on Howie's list by any chance?
I think he was a good pick there for Jax but honestly, there are other positions to fill before replacing Nate Allen
holy nightmare
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 26, 2013, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2013, 06:38:54 PM
I assume he was good?
Was he on Howie's list by any chance?
I think he was a good pick there for Jax but honestly, there are other positions to fill before replacing Nate Allen
Like Tight End?
Good thing the birds kicked ass on defense last year
Ertz is good but c'mon-get some farging def players man
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2013, 06:51:03 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 26, 2013, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2013, 06:38:54 PM
I assume he was good?
Was he on Howie's list by any chance?
I think he was a good pick there for Jax but honestly, there are other positions to fill before replacing Nate Allen
Like Tight End?
Exactly. He'll be perfect for Chipper's secret 4 TE sets
now this is where every pick from here on out will be def players and they will be hyped post draft to kingdom come. then howie will say we cant believe "he" fell to us
then a chart will come out by a cf member a year later in which 95% of them will have been cut. rinse and repeat
Quote from: reese125 on April 26, 2013, 07:33:45 PM
now this is where every pick from here on out will be def players and they will be hyped post draft to kingdom come. then howie will say we cant believe "he" fell to us
then a chart will come out by a cf member a year later in which 95% of them will have been cut. rinse and repeat
True enough but that's also true for pretty much every team in the NFL. The draft is a crapshoot, and the crap increases in every round.
At least they're probably not going to shove seventh round picks out there as starters for years and call it a success no matter how awful they are, right?
my point being that they missed out on def players the 1st 2 rounds where you have a higher percentage of that list coming out and not seeing those players on there
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2013, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 26, 2013, 07:33:45 PM
now this is where every pick from here on out will be def players and they will be hyped post draft to kingdom come. then howie will say we cant believe "he" fell to us
then a chart will come out by a cf member a year later in which 95% of them will have been cut. rinse and repeat
True enough but that's also true for pretty much every team in the NFL.
at least for the bad ones it is
I was thinking who would win in a fight:
Rome after the Eagles took Manuel or Dillen after the Eagles took Geno?
eagles should seriously consider trading up for dmontre moore at this point....unless theres another TE they are considering
I was just about to say I hope that Moore is their pick...he had poor workouts but give me production over anything
plus he has huge upside....i also would really like cornelius washington
I also like the WR from LaTech Quinton Patton...very good
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2013, 08:35:11 PM
I also like the WR from LaTech Quinton Patton...very good
lol...god you love him
i had targeted phillip thomas with the birds next pick but i didnt expect damontre moore to be there....they got a lot of options here depending on what happens in the next four picks
haha what up gary barbaro
phillip thomas
damontre moore
cornelius washington
larry warford
brian schwenke
any of these guys would be real nice
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2013, 08:38:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2013, 08:35:11 PM
I also like the WR from LaTech Quinton Patton...very good
lol...god you love him
Damn right...Geno, Arthur Brown and Patton were three of my man crushes from CFB
I didn't bash going O the first two picks, but they need to go D here especially with the players who have dropped. I want Damontre Moore.
another terrible pick
Ok...I like this one.
Bennie Logan...good DL
long way to go still but phillip and shamarko thomas are both out there
Shamarko Thomas is god awful. His workout pushed him into the draft, because he sure as hell can't play safety.
4th pick in the 4th round
3rd pick in the 5th round
then they're done until the 7th round (4th, 6th, 12th, comp 33rd)
Safeties, there's Phillip Thomas, Bacarri Rambo, Duke Williams, Josh Evans, Tony Jefferson and Ray Ray Armstrong
OLBs, there's Khaseem Greene, Trevardo Williams, DeVonte Holloman, Sean Porter, Chase Thomas, Jelani Jenkins and a couple of PSU guys in Gerald Hodges and Michael Mauti
DTs besides Jesse Williams, there's Akeem Spence and a couple of NTs in T.J. Barnes and Kwame Geathers
Centers besides Schwenke, there's Barrett Jones (who played everywhere along that Bama OL) and Khaled Holmes
WRs, there's Quinton Patton, Da'Rick Rogers, Ryan Swope, Kenny Stills, Chris Harper, Josh Boyce and Ace Sanders, plus Denard Robinson
RBs besides Lattimore, there's some Pac-12 guys in Johnathan Franklin, Stepfan Taylor and Chip's boy Kenjon Barner, along with Joseph Randle and Andre Ellington
QBs besides Barkley and Nassib, there's Tyler Bray, Tyler Wilson, Matt Scott, Landry Jones and Zac Dysert
i think someone takes a shot with lattimore in the 4th
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 26, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
i think someone takes a shot with lattimore in the 4th
you may very well be right but with the crazy depth this draft holds theres no way i use a fourth on him...would you or are you purely saying you think someone will
eagles have way bigger needs than wasting a 4th on lattimore at this stage. i was just saying i think he goes this round as some team tries to cash in the lottery.
definitely possible but i wasnt even talking about the eagles...i would not use a 4th on him if i was any team...but im one who devalues healthy running backs big time in the draft...much less one that may never make it in the league....
theres always an alfred morris out there at that position
As much as I hate to say it, they still need to look at RB. This will be a run heavy offense that needs 2 backs anyway. A month long concussion doesn't bode well for a rb and they need a viable back up plan that doesn't involve giving the ball to the opponent every other carry. I think of it as Andy's kiss good bye to Philly, leaving Shady in with 2 minutes left in a game they lost 31-6, only to get his grey matter scrambled. The one redeeming things is they still have a crap ton of cap room they can still get some D players and RBs with. Maybe Polk will get his shot this year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Ok...I like this one.
Bennie Logan...good DL
I'm w/ ya, Jay...this guy is a 2014 top-15 pick. He comes out early and it costs him some cash. His mistake, Birds the beneficiary. As far as another RB, keep an eye on my Clemson boy Ellington tomorrow.
An RS sighting...dayum
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2013, 03:11:09 AM
As much as I hate to say it, they still need to look at RB. This will be a run heavy offense that needs 2 backs anyway. A month long concussion doesn't bode well for a rb and they need a viable back up plan that doesn't involve giving the ball to the opponent every other carry. I think of it as Andy's kiss good bye to Philly, leaving Shady in with 2 minutes left in a game they lost 31-6, only to get his grey matter scrambled. The one redeeming things is they still have a crap ton of cap room they can still get some D players and RBs with. Maybe Polk will get his shot this year.
i wouldnt be against a running back as long as it wasnt another classic halfback type...they could def look at someone like stephan taylor...an all around back who could kind of serve a hb/fb/h back type....blocks runs catches....problem is with the dumb TE pick i dont know that they have the luxury to take a RB now...do we really want them using two of their first five picks on the two positions of least need?
i guess they could also use one of the four 7ths to take a back..wouldnt much matter at that point
power move....up a monsterous 3 spots
Trade!
They're taking a QB
Quote from: RSbirdman22 on April 27, 2013, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Ok...I like this one.
Bennie Logan...good DL
I'm w/ ya, Jay...this guy is a 2014 top-15 pick. He comes out early and it costs him some cash. His mistake, Birds the beneficiary. As far as another RB, keep an eye on my Clemson boy Ellington tomorrow.
Yo Ray good to see ya buddy. Hope all is well.
if schefter is right and its barkley then im going to begin my search for a new team to root for
Oh Jesus fcking Christ.
Awful
it explains the four TE sets they are going to be running since barkley cant throw down the field
They jumped Andy so Howie is beating off right now
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
They jumped Andy so Howie is beating off right now
oh shtein good point....guarantee thats what this is all about....because nothing else about it makes even a little sense
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
They jumped Andy so Howie is beating off right now
oh shtein good point....guarantee thats what this is all about....because nothing else about it makes even a little sense
I bet Howie didn't sleep all night thinking about it.
Safety? Nah!
if the iggles keep the O only run going, I'd be interested in Swope or taking a shot at Denard Robinson, who I feel like has the flexibility to be a good fit potentially in this offense if he reaches his potential.
I'd prefer Rambo or Poyer or someone though.
cornelius washington please
Earl Wolf safety
Lets hear the igy scouting report
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Earl Wolf safety
Lets hear the igy scouting report
igy likey
draft day shotfest 2013 is on for me and matty...liver helmets strapped on tight
romey a saturday draft party CAN take place outside of round one!
Joe Kruger, brother of Paul, DE Utah.
PAC-12
has michael buchanen been picked
Jordan Poyer!
Nice pick here too
farging pats just took buchanen
die life
last pick
lerentee mccray - at this point in the draft take guys from talent laced big programs
marcus davis - has close to elite measureables
jakar hamilton - nickle/dime/special teamer
jaron brown - 7th round chance wr who could also be a corner
dax swanson - has really good cover skills...could be a good 4th or 5th corner
o/u on number of hours until the eagles bag udfa matt scott
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2013, 03:45:25 PM
draft day shotfest 2013 is on for me and matty...liver helmets strapped on tight
romey a saturday draft party CAN take place outside of round one!
I played golf today and I'm a six pack of Full Sail IPA in right now.
Boom.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2013, 03:45:25 PM
draft day shotfest 2013 is on for me and matty...liver helmets strapped on tight
romey a saturday draft party CAN take place outside of round one!
I played golf today and I'm a six pack of Full Sail IPA in right now.
Boom.
do you blame roger goodell?
I shot a 93 with a partially torn meniscus.
And I taped the draft and I've FF'd through most of it until I see something Eagles related.
Win.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
I shot a 93 with a partially torn meniscus.
And I taped the draft and I've FF'd through most of it until I see something Eagles related.
Win.
so you are feelin this new format?
I'm looking California but feeling Minnesota.
Matt Scott to Jax.
Russell Shepard, WR, LSU and Damion Square, DE, Alabama UFDA so far..
Draft grades are starting to come out.
Sporting News said this:
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College. Knowledge. FTMFW.
Quote"...are ideal athletes for what he wants to do..."
Sporting News can suck my balls. They have as much of an idea what Kelly "wants to do," as I do.
Considering he's said what he wants to do about a thousand different times, and judging from the type of players they've acquired in free agency and now the draft, I'd say anyone who's paid even a little bit of attention has a pretty good idea at this point.
I'm not too sure why fans are saying they don't know what he's going to run. He runs a spread offense similar to NEs. Expect to see a lot of two TE sets, fast paced, etc.. He'll scrap the read/option portion if Foles/Barkley wins the starting spot. NE runs the same offense with Brady although I'm sure Chip will put his own twist.
There are a ton of tutorials on line if you're unfamiliar with Oregon's offense
http://fishduck.com/the-chip-kelly-oregon-spread-offense-analysis/understanding-the-oregon-offense/first-fish-tutorial-the-inside-zone-read/
CF draft grades?
I'm going B-
They didn't have a negative or positive wow pick and didn't reach. Thought they got good value with their picks. Hate the Barkley pick all you want (I wanted defense in the 4th) but I like the added competition at QB. It's unsettled and throwing another guy in there just makes it a more intriguing story line.
Whether you hate these offseason moves or love them, at least they're changing things up and it should be interesting to see how all the pieces fit together. I can't say one way or another how Chip is going to do but I like that he's scrapped a lot of the Reid mentality in regards to small quick players in favor of bigger players.
I've decided that I don't hate this draft for two reasons.
First, while I wanted every pick to be defense or OL they got good value (by consensus) on basically every pick and drafting the BPA as opposed to drafting to fill roster holes is something I can get behind.
And second, farg you why the farg not? Andy Reid's greasy finger sausages were nowhere near this draft and that by itself is reason to be excited. Ertz and Barkley are infuriating right now but could be huge winners later. And also too did I mention farg you? Good. A++++.
I didn't hate it. I mean, the only proof can come on the field. For now, though, they drafted for value. Okay. I still have a lot of questions about how successful The Chipper will be in general. So, like everything else, nobody actually knows shtein. The usual.
I said this elsewhere but I'll say it here too... this is a long term reclamation project, not a plug & play miracle turnaround in one offseason situation. They picked up solid professionals in free agency and they appear to have selected college guys who were productive, high character & intelligent players. I don't think anyone expects them to be a playoff team but the players they've chosen will at least make them competitive and far less embarrassing in the beginning.
This was about building for the future, not necessarily for 2013. Taken in that context, to me what they did was logical and smart.
Time will tell, though.
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 08:57:47 AM
CF draft grades?
I give this draft a "B" because I rolled a die and got a two. I am confident this result will be no more or less predictive of draft quality than anyone else's grade.
They didn't do anything indefensibly stupid and they are clearly changing the way the team drafts and plays. I was weary of the Reid years, so good or bad, right now I'm enthused by the change. They unfortunately did not get any "can't miss" players, but those guys are rare and zero were available anywhere in this draft.
i woke up to igy's girl putting a blanket on me this morning.
i don't know what happened in the draft.
love you buddy, i somehow made it home.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 28, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
i woke up to igy's girl putting a blanket on me this morning.
i don't know what happened in the draft.
love you buddy, i somehow made it home.
i... just... wow.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 28, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
i woke up to igy's girl putting a blanket on me this morning.
i don't know what happened in the draft.
love you buddy, i somehow made it home.
rght back atcha big guy....good times
fyi - you had the goat second wind
I'm watching Chip's post draft PC. He all but confirms Jordan would have been the pick if Miami hadn't traded up.
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
I'm watching Chip's post draft PC. He all but confirms Jordan would have been the pick if Miami hadn't traded up.
really!?
When he was asked about not drafting any Oregon players:
"Trust me, the guy that went #3, we would consider very heavily. Didn't get a chance to pull the trigger on that one..."
in 14 years here andy reid never said anything even half as revealing as that one line by chipper
Kelly also said they had interest in drafting Kiki Alonso. If anything it's refreshing to have a coach who talks about the team and doesn't offer responses like "we're not gonna get into all of that."
He also seems to be attempting to win over IGY:
Quote"If you constantly take the overachiever at every position, you're going to be too small," Kelly said. "If you take the short defensive tackle backed up by the short middle linebacker backed up by the short safety, then all of a sudden you're going to get run over.
Yep - he's a total different guy than Andy and it's refreshing.
Someone needs to ask him about fastballs and 3rd round DE tweeners.
Is this the first non-mormon draft and UDFA period we have had in 15 years?
No way I am actually going to spend the time to look into that, so lets just say yes.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 29, 2013, 12:25:46 PM
He also seems to be attempting to win over IGY:
Quote"If you constantly take the overachiever at every position, you're going to be too small," Kelly said. "If you take the short defensive tackle backed up by the short middle linebacker backed up by the short safety, then all of a sudden you're going to get run over.
As much as I think Kelly is going to be a colossal failure at the NFL level and despite the fact that I think he's a flakey douche who bolted Oregon when the NCAA started sniffing around, I will say that I do like his overall approach since he's been hired.
I don't care about things like switching up the locker room and I marginally care about putting the team through SEAL training but he seems humble/smart enough to at least know that if he's going to succeed in the NFL that he can't do it the exact same way he did in college. And apparently he's also smart enough to know that David only beat Goliath 1 time out of 100 and that this team needs more Goliaths than it does Davids.
I'm still not on the Chip Kelly bandwagon but I do enjoy seeing a totally different approach and mindset coming from this franchise than what we've all been witness to since 1999.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 08:30:22 PM
When he was asked about not drafting any Oregon players:
"Trust me, the guy that went #3, we would consider very heavily. Didn't get a chance to pull the trigger on that one..."
I don't think I've heard Chip clear his throat once yet. True, we got more insight in 20 seconds than we got the last 13 years.
For the hell of it I checked out Andy's post-draft conference and got blinded by a big ugly red Hawaiian shirt, then the day 3 one he was back to his usual black. Same generic draft pick "everyone is a good player" crap as the last decade (god I don't miss that), but one thing that stood out was that he said he liked Barkley and thought the kid was going to be a good player. Truth or not, he reiterated that they wanted an inside LB instead of a QB at that spot and we didn't steal anyone from the Chiefs