guard from Baylor
26 year old rookie
a Canadian who studied fire-fighting.
I don't know enough about him to hate or love it.
meh
howie's adding machine has spoken
His name sucks.
that Baylor powerhouse
It's not like there was a surefire guy they passed on, but I hate taking OGs in the 1st round. Hate it...
QuoteLesBowen Les Bowen
Cameron Jordan. Marvin Austin. Da'Quan Bowers. Gabe Carimi. Muhammad Wilkerson. And we're getting a 26 year old firefighter
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his age bothers me, probably irrationally so
but 6-3, 310lbs
could've done worse i suppose
interior of the oline was a problem
"The smartest guys in the room"
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664030
04/04/2011 - Top offensive linemen: 2. Danny Watkins, Baylor, 6-3, 310, 1-2, Watkins, 26, spent four years as a firefighter in his native British Columbia and then enrolled at Butte College in California in the fire sciences program. He first played organized football at Butte and two years later landed at Baylor, replacing 2009 No. 2 overall pick Jason Smith. He's as good on ice skates as he is in ??-inch cleats thanks to his background in hockey. Before he considered the NFL an option, Watkins realized an NHL career wasn't feasible. "When you're 270 pounds in 12th grade," he said, "there weren't many players in the NHL that size." Watkins has impressed since working out at guard at the Senior Bowl, and NFLDraftScout.com has projected him at the bottom of the first round for months. His age and limited football experience will be a hindrance, and he doesn't have ideal size. But his technique is exceptional for a raw prospect with agility and strength. - Jeff Reynolds, The Sports Xchange
Word. CB is a huge concern, but the interior o-line was a disaster last year. It's also most likely Mudd's guy, and I like it. The 26 year old thing doesn't bother me, as he's an offensive lineman.
after that show of mindless patriotism, the eagles select a canadian
he can start at right guard from day one, so i guess that negates his age a little bit
He looks like Farva from Super Troopers
He's cheesing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 28, 2011, 10:35:23 PM
after that show of mindless patriotism, the eagles select a canadian
It would have been cool if they walked the troops out, applauded and then got on with it. But they had to throw God Bless The USA in there too. Love the USA, hate that song.
the amazing thing is that hes old AND inexperienced
classic character over talent pick by these stupid fargs
at least he isnt a DE or LB
Age is overrated for an o-lineman.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2011, 10:39:11 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 28, 2011, 10:35:23 PM
after that show of mindless patriotism, the eagles select a canadian
It would have been cool if they walked the troops out, applauded and then got on with it. But they had to throw God Bless The USA in there too. Love the USA, hate that song.
The Lee Greenwood song always pushes it into the "mindless" territory. That shtein sucks.
one thing we know is that he wont be getting a second contract from the team
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 28, 2011, 10:37:48 PM
He looks like Farva from Super Troopers
really?
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(http://baylorlariat.com/files/2010/12/watkins-danny-ftw.jpg)
Give him a mustache. There's a similarity
Give him a cheesy porn stache and a liter-a-cola and I can see the resemblance.
i have no idea how to react to this pick. Except his laugh scares me, like santa's laugh, but santa will rape your wife and kids
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2011, 10:43:05 PM(http://baylorlariat.com/files/2010/12/watkins-danny-ftw.jpg)
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the brow line/eyebrows I'll give you...but nothing else beyond white and big boned, dark eyes and dark hair
shape of the head and jaw totally different, different nose
anyway, what the farg do I care who you think he looks like
as you were
gotta love one pick after the eagles taking that douche mel talking about cameron jordan being an unblockable pass rusher at the senior bowl and then reeling off 7-8 other really good players still on the board that maybe shouldnt be
i just dont get taking a hard working salt of the earth 26 year old hockey player in the first round....is this guy really better than mike mcglynn even?...id still think it unesscesary but i could maybe unstand carimi there because at least hes a top talent
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2011, 10:47:55 PM
i just dont get taking a hard working salt of the earth 26 year old hockey player in the first round
wonder if he can play goalie
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2011, 10:47:55 PM
gotta love one pick after the eagles taking that douche mel talking about cameron jordan being an unblockable pass rusher at the senior bowl and then reeling off 7-8 other really good players still on the board that maybe shouldnt be
i just dont get taking a hard working salt of the earth 26 year old hockey player in the first round....is this guy really better than mike mcglynn even?...id still think it unesscesary but i could maybe unstand carimi there because at least hes a top talent
I'm not an offensive line expert, but he obviously has to be better than McGlynn and have some pedigree if he was listed as a late first round pick most places.
I still wish they had picked Smith and then went OLine in the 2nd and 3rd.
ESPN says the kid is mean and ready to start, and points out that he'll be working the right side--Vick's back--which is interesting to note. Interesting.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2011, 10:55:44 PM
ESPN says the kid is mean and ready to start, and points out that he'll be working the right side--Vick's back--which is interesting to note. Interesting.
But IGY doesn't like the pick so I'm not sold.
That's the thing.....I'd be willing to bet this dude would have fallen to the 2nd round and could have been gotten then. And if someone else would have taken him, fine. It's not like this dude was on anyone's radar to begin with.
I like his size, but when some college football geeks haven't even heard of him, it makes me wonder.
Pretty much every mock I saw had Watkins in the 1st, going anywhere from KC to Pittsburgh.
I'm just glad the wait is over and we know who their next first round bust is.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
Pretty much every mock I saw had Watkins in the 1st, going anywhere from KC to Pittsburgh.
I've never read a mock draft in my life. I've also never been able to watch Mel Kiper deliver his mock draft passed maybe the 15th or 16th pick. I watch so little college FB, that once you get through the top 10 or so players, chances are I've never heard of them.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2011, 10:54:02 PM
I'm not an offensive line expert, but he obviously has to be better than McGlynn and have some pedigree if he was listed as a late first round pick most places.
why is a late first rounder who has never played in the league automatically better than a guy who played last year in the nfl
jerome mcdougle should have been better than brandon whiting and they took him higher than this kid
Danny Watkins just announced that he plans on submitting his retirement papers to the league office on Monday.
thats good because the eagles just announced they will not sign him due to their organizational philosophy of not giving players his age big contracts
Ha!
hes big and canadian
im going to go on record and say hell be good even though i had no idea he existed before 10 seconds ago
I think this guy may be the last Canadian to play for the Birds...
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4th&26 is probably the only Eagles fan approving of this pick.
fake grapes:
QuoteDonald_S_Cherry Don Cherry
ATTABOY DANNY WATKINS, GOOD CANADIAN GUY FROM KELOWNA BC PICKED IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE NFL DRAFT, GOOD LOOKIN KID WAYTAGO DANNY!
45 minutes ago
real grapes on TV a couple minutes later:
"Waytago Danny Boy!"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
I think this guy may be the last Canadian to play for the Birds...
(http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/650/667/91/coEWuG3oboCqDjm.jpg)
Only the 4th ever 1st round Canadian
Quote...The three other Canadian players picked in the first round of the NFL draft were: offensive lineman Tony Mandarich (2nd overall by the Green Bay Packers in 1989), running back Tim Biakabutuka (8th overall by the Carolina Panthers in 1996) and offensive lineman Mike Schad (23rd overall by the Los Angeles Rams in 1986).
Promising.
But I get the pick. I remember Ross Tucker talking about how Mudd's scheme, which uses smaller more agile athletic Olinemen in a lot of zone blocking is a polar opposite to the huge guys Reid has liked. Probably the reason they didn't get Carimi and I think the scheme will be a better fit for Justice.
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Whoever was doing the WIP draft show said fatty could move Herremans to LT and and put Watkins at G.
Drunk and don't feel like reading through so I'm sure this has been said but, hopefully this means they're targeting Awesome-O at CB when free agency opens up. It was a need pick and I'm okay with it, just a *yawn*, would have liked Smith there. Whateva.
Get Nhamdi!
They get Nhamdi, farg the draft. Hell draft OJ Simpson and Charles Manson for all we care.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 29, 2011, 01:38:46 AM
Whoever was doing the WIP draft show said fatty could move Herremans to LT and and put Watkins at G.
I'd just as soon have Justice at RT as Herremans at LT. I always thought RT was Peter's most natural position but having a lefty at QB negates some of that.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 29, 2011, 03:52:29 AM
They get Nhamdi, farg the draft. Hell draft OJ Simpson and Charles Manson for all we care.
Eagles don't like having to deal with Rosenhaus though.
I keep forgetting the Rosenhaus part of the deal.
He's not Nnamdi's agent, just OJ and Chuck's.
:-D I was always curious how Manson was able to avoid the death penalty.
What's with this rumor about the birds dealing for Patrick Peterson who the Cards took at #5? Crock of shtein?
I don't understand how anyone can bitch about this pick. Sure he's old as dirt and big and white and boring but do any of you remember Kolb and Vick getting the shtein kicked out of them last year? A CB would have been great but interior line is a huge need and they filled it. Stop griping you farging women.
Did you get up this early to watch the royal wedding?
Tornadoes canceled my flight last night so I'm up and bored at the airport to try to catch a new flight. You care.
I have no idea how good this guy is because I don't watch any Baylor games. The pessimism comes from the fact that he'll be 27 once the season starts and has only been playing football for 4 years. And this pick wreaks of Andy/Joe/Howie's "we're smarter than everyone else" mentality. I'm fine with the pick because the word is that he's nasty, tough, versatile, and can step right in. In reality I think a lot of fans would be fine with this pick if the Eagles were able to address defense prior to the draft.
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 06:09:49 AM
And this pick wreaks of Andy/Joe/Howie's "we're smarter than everyone else" mentality.
I don't see it. The guy was projected to be drafted in the 1st pretty close to where the Eagles took him, and he plays a position that was as glaring of a need for them as anything else. People on CF might have wanted someone else, but this pick isn't one of the FO's frequent head-scratchers.
Cant say I love or hate this pick. Agree with rjs RG was a huge need. That being said I wouldhave rather it been Jordan
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 29, 2011, 06:24:52 AM
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 06:09:49 AM
And this pick wreaks of Andy/Joe/Howie's "we're smarter than everyone else" mentality.
I don't see it. The guy was projected to be drafted in the 1st pretty close to where the Eagles took him, and he plays a position that was as glaring of a need for them as anything else. People on CF might have wanted someone else, but this pick isn't one of the FO's frequent head-scratchers.
This is where I'm at with it too. Before the pick, I was saying they would pick some guy NO one (not you turds, actual football people) thought would go in round 1 or even round 2. But they picked a guy who everyone had going in the first round and addressed a blatant need. Vick breathed a sigh of relief at that pick and I think you all should too.
Signed, Huge hater of the FO
the need was overrated...you can get by with an average offensive guard...here are some superbowl winning guards in just the last few years - josh sitton daryn college carl nicks darnell stapleton rick seubert dylan gandy
if the hockey player was drafted to play center then id have more understanding of the pick as center is a very important spot and realyl hurt them last year...but with numerous gaping holes on defense this was just a stupid pick...you take an old guy who five years ago wanted to be a hockey player and who for the last three years has played OT and now you want him to block people in the NFL?....no thanks
to me watkins is basically an older version of mike mcglynn....yes hes older than mike mcglynn...how ridiculous is that
R Diddy likes the pick thats good enough for me
IGY just hates boring draft picks. It's the same thing every year.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2011, 07:53:19 AM
IGY just hates boring draft picks. It's the same thing every year.
what are the other boring picks i hated...shtein i wouldnt have even hated gabe carimi this year as i said earlier in the thread
i loved shawn andrews (another guard) when they traded up for him
i also badly wanted maurkice pouncey last year and it doesnt get any more boring than a center
You consistently gripe about the team picking safe choir boys instead of swinging for the fences with their picks. The last thing I'm gonna do is dig up posts in a desperate attempt to prove my point so this conversation is probably over but you know I'm right.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2011, 07:53:19 AM
IGY just hates boring draft picks. It's the same thing every year.
He wanted the Eagles to ship this years 1st, 2nd 4th, next years 1st and 4th to grab Peterson.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2011, 08:00:56 AM
You consistently gripe about the team picking safe choir boys instead of swinging for the fences with their picks. The last thing I'm gonna do is dig up posts in a desperate attempt to prove my point so this conversation is probably over but you know I'm right.
not that i would consider maurkice pouncey or shawn andrews swinging for the stars but sorry i want my team to go for the best players possible instead of the best people...im sure the canadien fireman oldest player ever taken in the first round of the draft angle is cute and a good story but im just not a danny watkins matt mccoy chris gocong trevor laws brandon graham type of guy
Except that that isn't exactly true. You don't want them to take the "best" player. You want them to take the huge upside player. Just like you wanted them to take the raw wingspan no experience JPP. So instead of pretending that this lumberjack is a terrible fit that the eagles choked on just say that you want to be excited by their picks and that this guy doesn't excite you.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2011, 08:33:41 AM
Except that that isn't exactly true. You don't want them to take the "best" player. You want them to take the huge upside player. Just like you wanted them to take the raw wingspan no experience dude last year that the Giants ended up with. So instead of pretending that this lumberjack is a terrible fit that the eagles choked on just say that you want to be excited by their picks and that this guy doesn't excite you.
actually last year i wanted earl thomas or pouncey but yes i definitely wanted pierre paul over graham...i dont get why everyone wouldnt.....and pierre paul showed last year why he has monster potential...if im gonna go bust on a player then i wanna go bust on a guy that has a chance to be great...not a guy i think is going to be solid...i guess its just a different philosophy than everyone else but its how i look at it
I don't hate the pick, even though he looks more like an ice cream man or child molester than a "nasty" offensive lineman.
The Eagles can still sign Asomugha or trade Kolb for help at CB.
Have a nice weekend, friends.
I don't get the smarter than everyone else vibe either; they needed OL help. With Mudd on the staff now I think that its best to wait and see how he can develop the guy.
RG was a major problem area. Nick Cole and MJG were atrocious.
they have definitely had their "smarter than you" moments but like phreak said, this isn't one of them
there were at least four spots on defense that were a much bigger problem than right guard....they are also much more important and harder to fill positions...there would be no discernable difference at rg this year with mcglynn than with this guy
center was also a much bigger problem...if you really must go oline there then take pouncey who can play center as well as guard
RG was just as big of a need as CB. I would like see them get Dowling or Williams in round 2. Marvin Austin wouldnt be a bad option either.
i know i'm probably getting my hopes up, but maybe they have plans to get Nnamdi.
They do. The plan is to offer him X amount of dollars, and to tell him to farg off if he asks for X+1 dollars.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 09:30:20 AM
there were at least four spots on defense that were a much bigger problem than right guard....they are also much more important and harder to fill positions...there would be no discernable difference at rg this year with mcglynn than with this guy
center was also a much bigger problem...if you really must go oline there then take pouncey who can play center as well as guard
Unless they dig Dowling, Williams or Harris at CB and think they get him at 54?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2011, 08:46:46 AM
I don't hate the pick, even though he looks more like an ice cream man or child molester than a "nasty" offensive lineman.
I got the same feeling. Rosy-cheeked people give me the creeps.
I agree with IGY that it would have been nice to get Pouncey but I don't think he was worth trading another pick to jump up that high to get him. I am okay with the Jimmy Smith since I don't know if we have the strong defensive leadership to keep him in-line. I was also hoping for Camiri but I guess he was more of a run blocker and that isn't as much of a priority in this offense. I will trust Reid that he thinks this guy is the best one for this scheme. It would have been exciting to get Mark Ingram but I understand the need for OL with as atrocious as it was last year.
Definitely need to get a CB and LB today.
Canadiens are the new Mormons... Eagles pushing the frontier of Whiteness.
2012 first round pick for Philadelphia Óskar Jónsson of Iceland.
The best thing about this pick is instead of waiting the normal eight years for him to be cut we'll only have to wait four when he turns thirty.
Yessssssssssssss!
Quote from: RezRob on April 29, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
Canadiens are the new Mormons... Eagles pushing the frontier of Whiteness.
2012 first round pick for Philadelphia Óskar Jónsson of Iceland.
lol
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 29, 2011, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2011, 08:46:46 AM
I don't hate the pick, even though he looks more like an ice cream man or child molester than a "nasty" offensive lineman.
I got the same feeling. Rosy-cheeked people give me the creeps.
If I saw him approaching my property, I would lock the family in a closet and get my Glock out of the safe.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 29, 2011, 09:34:12 AM
RG was just as big of a need as CB. I would like see them get Dowling or Williams in round 2. Marvin Austin wouldnt be a bad option either.
complaining about one of your guard spots in football is like complaining about your left handed reliver in baseball....you are not going to have five great or even very good offensive lineman...as i mentioned lots of superbowl champions have pedestrian guards...and unless you think someone is very special you should shy away from guards in the first round....they just arent worth it...especially a 27 year old hockey player whos been playing football for five years...i love reading breakdowns of him where people say hes a 27 year old developmental guy with room to grow
Quote from: phillycrew on April 29, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
I agree with IGY that it would have been nice to get Pouncey but I don't think he was worth trading another pick to jump up that high to get him.
it probably wasnt worth it...my only point is if they are that hard up for an interior offensive lineman and they clearly were...then trade up and get a much better player who can play center for you...because center is where the real problem is
They gave up almost 50 sacks last year. Their line sucked and they started to address that by drafting this clown. Can't fault them for that.
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
They gave up almost 50 sacks last year. Their line sucked and they started to address that by drafting this clown. Can't fault them for that.
addressing the line was a minor mistake...picking this clown was a major farg up
i love how you act like you have any idea if hes going to be good or not
you can argue on the value of using a 1st rounder to get a guard...which in itself is basically an interchangeable position...but you cant sit there and act like you have any clue if this guy is going to be alan faneca or mike mcglynn. cause no one heard of him until dickface goodell said his name.
so basically we have to hope andy and the jews are right. not exactly fun stuff.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
They gave up almost 50 sacks last year. Their line sucked and they started to address that by drafting this clown. Can't fault them for that.
addressing the line was a minor mistake...picking this clown was a major farg up
By all accounts he was going five spots later to New England. You're acting like they pulled a Jon Harris again, which is clearly not the case. I wanted them to go up and pick a cornerback personally but if they were going to go after a lineman I can't fault them for going after Watkins. He was one of the top linemen in the draft.
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2011, 01:26:42 PM
i love how you act like you have any idea if hes going to be good or not
ummm hes been playing football for four years all four at tackle and two of them at a junior college....hes a hockey playing fireman im pretty sure i know how this is going to end up
the same way we all knew how a 1-aa asian engineer DE would fare at OLB or a linebacking surfer from san diego...or a milquetoast safety from iowa
eagles are always trying to push these exotic out of the box type players on us...or trying to make nifty shock the world picks like kolb....or they trade up and instead of take earl thomas they have to be different and take average ass brandon graham....why cant they just STRIAGHT UP take the best players
i will say that the hockey player wont wont be as exposed as these other guys because he plays at a position you can hide and protect...he may even hold his own in the league if he develops...but the point is they had no business taking him where they did
It took him awhile to worth up a lather, but I knew igy'd be all over this!
So no matter how good he may or may not wind up being, the eagles should not have taken a player, at a position they needed to upgrade, right where most analysts thought he might get drafted?
Makes sense.
The difference between Watkins and the players you mentioned is this is not a reach pick. Where guys like McCoy and Gocong were. I am not going to sit here and act like I am thrilled with the pick it is what it is.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
It took him awhile to worth up a lather, but I knew igy'd be all over this!
how could you not be...i guess ive been beaten down by banner inc to a point that the rest of the world hasnt...its the same shtein over and over again...and with howie its been taken to even a level i didnt think possible...btwn last years draft and yeserday its just beyond depressing
I probably watched 1 full game of college football last year, and that was me attending the Villanova/Penn game, so I dont try and pretend to know I know a thing about this guy, except now he has 1st round expectations. If he meets them... I am happy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
It took him awhile to worth up a lather, but I knew igy'd be all over this!
how could you not be...i guess ive been beaten down by banner inc to a point that the rest of the world hasnt...its the same shtein over and over again...and with howie its been taken to even a level i didnt think possible...btwn last years draft and yeserday its just beyond depressing
So if he becomes a steady player on the line for years, how will you feel?
hes a know it all, he cant just says "um....i hope hes good."
with someone like jon harris you knew that was going to be terrible. with someone like pimp you knew that was going to be amazing. but with most picks you just honestly have no farging idea how theyre going to be.
now we can lean toward him being a bust because of banner ics track record, his age, the fact that he started playing football 15 seconds ago, etc., but we just really have no idea how hes going to turn out. so instead of arbitrarily and somewhat recklessly declaring the pick a bust 1 minute after it happens and before we even see him in pads, why dont we just wait and see. if he sucks, then kill banner for it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
It took him awhile to worth up a lather, but I knew igy'd be all over this!
how could you not be...i guess ive been beaten down by banner inc to a point that the rest of the world hasnt...its the same shtein over and over again...and with howie its been taken to even a level i didnt think possible...btwn last years draft and yeserday its just beyond depressing
So if he becomes a steady player on the line for years, how will you feel?
wouldnt suprise me at all if hes steady...but mike mcglynn will be steady...you can get steady guards anywhere and you can have a weak guard and win superbowls....shtein the eagles made a superbowl with artis hicks and steve scullio sharing a guard spot...this pick is more about taking a guard in the first round than it is about the hockey player altho his resume is truly frightening
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2011, 02:10:30 PM
hes a know it all, he cant just says "um....i hope hes good."
with someone like jon harris you knew that was going to be terrible. with someone like pimp you knew that was going to be amazing. but with most picks you just honestly have no farging idea how theyre going to be.
now we can lean toward him being a bust because of banner ics track record, his age, the fact that he started playing football 15 seconds ago, etc., but we just really have no idea how hes going to turn out. so instead of arbitrarily and somewhat recklessly declaring the pick a bust 1 minute after it happens and before we even see him in pads, why dont we just wait and see. if he sucks, then kill banner for it.
so no one....not even the experts can predict the future of a player...groundbreaking stuff but why did it take you 125 words to say it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:23:29 PMso no one....not even the experts can predict the future of a player...groundbreaking stuff but why did it take you 125 words to say it
maybe someone who went to the senior bowl and saw tape of him at baylor can. not some dolt on a message board who is too busy watching mildred pierce.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: phillycrew on April 29, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
I agree with IGY that it would have been nice to get Pouncey but I don't think he was worth trading another pick to jump up that high to get him.
it probably wasnt worth it...my only point is if they are that hard up for an interior offensive lineman and they clearly were...then trade up and get a much better player who can play center for you...because center is where the real problem is
Looking at NFL.com, it seems like Watkins and Pouncey were the two interior guys. I guess they could try to convert one of the tackles and they normally like to do it. It wouldn't shock me anymore if they tried to make Watkins a DT. This team is exhausting.
QuoteWatkins is the safest pick in the entire draft - the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He's the best guard on the board, and some NFL teams were looking at him as both a center and tackle.
- Rick Gosselin
Watkins was nearly universally agreed upon as the most NFL ready OG prospect in the draft. Basically the same things people said about Maurkice Pouncey at C last year. He looks like a doofus and is 26 1/2 years old, but not one "expert" has any serious questions about his ability to be a dominating player in short order in the NFL.
So, it is a safe and boring pick of a fat white guy at a plug and play position. I don't blame a self-hating racist like IGY for overstating his hatred of the pick, and since you all keep feeding his need to have his opinion recognized and argued against, I'm pretty sure we haven't heard the last of it.
I'll repeat this: If this were a normal offseason and the Eagles had addressed some of the problems on D fans wouldn't be as outraged. If the Eagles had added Nmandi at corner and maybe signed a LB do you really think anyone would care that they addressed the Guard position in the draft?
Jesus christ at the last few pages
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2011, 02:30:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:23:29 PMso no one....not even the experts can predict the future of a player...groundbreaking stuff but why did it take you 125 words to say it
maybe someone who went to the senior bowl and saw tape of him at baylor can. not some dolt on a message board who is too busy watching mildred pierce.
what? so football fans on a football message board cant give their opinions on football draft picks....gotcha
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft - the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012.
lolol...so hes a lock pro bowler NEXT SEASON and hes the "safest" pick in the draft...doesnt sound safe to me...sounds like the best draft pick of the banner inc era
also was gary gosselin at the senior bowl because if not he cant give opinions on any of these players
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
I'll repeat this: If this were a normal offseason and the Eagles had addressed some of the problems on D fans wouldn't be as outraged. If the Eagles had added Nmandi at corner and maybe signed a LB do you really think anyone would care that they addressed the Guard position in the draft?
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they arent very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
They gave up almost 50 sacks last year. Their line sucked and they started to address that by drafting this clown. Can't fault them for that.
addressing the line was a minor mistake...picking this clown was a major farg up
By all accounts he was going five spots later to New England. You're acting like they pulled a Jon Harris again, which is clearly not the case. I wanted them to go up and pick a cornerback personally but if they were going to go after a lineman I can't fault them for going after Watkins. He was one of the top linemen in the draft.
Don't you ever bring up Jon Harris again! Years of therapy has helped erase him from my memory.
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
QuoteWatkins is the safest pick in the entire draft - the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He's the best guard on the board, and some NFL teams were looking at him as both a center and tackle.
- Rick Gosselin
:yay
Rick Gosselin is one of the best, if not the best, draftnik journalists out there. His opinion is pretty highly thought of since he absolutely does a lot of research and talks to sources unlike someone like that fool Nolan Nawrocki from PFW who blasted Cam Newton and admitted he never spoke to the dude to address concerns and criticisms.
Let's throw a little fuel on this fire by saying that Gosselin swung and missed on Andy Dalton going in the first 20 picks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they arent very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
You now have been exposed as a retard. You have no credibility.
They should have drafted a Samoan.
Check out this highlight reel of him :crazy
http://youtu.be/RVyyt5-S88E
Quote from: mussa on April 29, 2011, 06:14:10 PM
Check out this highlight reel of him :crazy
http://youtu.be/RVyyt5-S88E
granted those videos only include the guys very best plays but after seeing that even ill admit i have no idea how the eagles got him where they did.....dood is a BEASTIN!!
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft - the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012.
lolol...so hes a lock pro bowler NEXT SEASON and hes the "safest" pick in the draft...doesnt sound safe to me...sounds like the best draft pick of the banner inc era
If he makes the Pro Bowl by the time he's 30 will you admit he's a good pick? I'm not even saying the guy is a good pick or isn't, I just want to know if he does make the Pro Bowl is it still a wasted pick?
And where is it written you shouldn't take a Guard with a 1st round pick? Know what that reminds me of? The Eagles and their reluctance to spend a top pick on a LB. Same concept.
Shawn Andrews made a Pro Bowl.
At one time Shawn Andrews was considered one of the top 5 offensive lineman in the game
That's really helping them now, isn't it.
yes, he's on he Giants
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
If he makes the Pro Bowl by the time he's 30 will you admit he's a good pick? I'm not even saying the guy is a good pick or isn't, I just want to know if he does make the Pro Bowl is it still a wasted pick?
wait you are asking if a draft pick who makes a pro bowl is a good pick
is this some sort of a trick question?
juston houston PLEASE
Who cares who it is - I want to know who will post it.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110430_Watkins_bringing_some_attitude_to_Eagles_offensive_line.html
Quote"He made a guy from Texas Tech cry one time," said Randy Clements, Watkins' offensive coordinator at Baylor.
Baldinger was very excited about this pick, but the Eagles have never made a move he didn't like.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 29, 2011, 07:53:58 PM
Who cares who it is - I want to know who will post it.
atta boy
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2011, 07:10:02 AM
Baldinger was very excited about this pick, but the Eagles have never made a move he didn't like.
every year theres like one or two picks in the first round that get questioned and the other 30 are seen as future hall of famers by everyone especially the fans and media of each team...i mean they are first rounders and because they are obviously most info on them should be positive but people just nuts....also its natural to want to feel good about your own team
For most people it's natural. You, on the other hand, go out of your way to be needlessly critical. That's just as bizarre as those who drink the Banner Kool Aid.
Your reaction to this pick is on par with your usual shenanigans.
not at all...i praise the team when they draft well and i could reel off players where i praised them....its just that my criticism stands out because most people are or wanna be homers so when i criticize its like "omg is he really saying that about the eagles?"...so the negativity stands out much more
theres also the fact that they have a zesty front office who is not very good at the drafting thing and their philosophy is 180 degrees from where mine is...so of course im going to dislike their picks more often than not...i dont shy away from who i want them to pick and i name those players every year before the eagle choose...so its not like if they picked one of my guys id all of a sudden do a reverse and rip them just to rip them....the fact is tho that i just dont agree with most of what they do on draft days
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.
I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
not at all...i praise the team when they draft well and i could reel off players where i praised them....its just that my criticism stands out because most people are or wanna be homers so when i criticize its like "omg is he really saying that about the eagles?"...so the negativity stands out much more
theres also the fact that they have a zesty front office who is not very good at the drafting thing and their philosophy is 180 degrees from where mine is...so of course im going to dislike their picks more often than not...i dont shy away from who i want them to pick and i name those players every year before the eagle choose...so its not like if they picked one of my guys id all of a sudden do a reverse and rip them just to rip them....the fact is tho that i just dont agree with most of what they do on draft days
okay, I'll play along. Who would you have picked with the 23rd overall selection?
Someone less white, probably.
igy is the other other CF
I do agree with igy on guards in the first round. Obviously someone like Andrews is an exception to the rule, but for the most part, you can find adequate talent later in the draft. The thing with this guy is even if he's pro bowl caliber immediately, he's still only got maybe 5 years or so of top notch play in him. Granted, if everything falls into place and they win a SB during that timeframe, then it's all good. But I don't see how drafting a guy who is 4 years older than his peers isn't a fairly high risk situation.
That said, I like what I've seen and read about him and I hope he can contribute immediately. But I don't think the 1st round is where you take someone with this many question marks.
Guards aren't important.
Right. Tell that to Mike Vick, who, at times last season needed to be peeled off the ground with a farging spatula.
I didn't agree with him on that. Stupid statement. But it's not very often that there's a guard with true 1st round talent. Other than Andrews, who are some other guards that are pro bowl caliber that have been drafted in the 1st round? I honestly can't think of any recently. Of course, other than guys drafted by the Eagles or the absolute top players in the draft, I pretty much data dump every draft in terms of what rounds players get drafted in so my draft memory isn't the most reliable.
Guards are important and the Eagles definitely need help on the line, especially the right side since Vick is a lefty. But if a guard isn't top 10, maybe top 15 pick worthy, then I doubt he's vastly superior to anyone that they could have picked up a little later.
Quote from: shorebird on April 30, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.
I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.
read the thread i named like seven average at best to zesty guards who have won super bowls in the last decade alone...and the eagles made the superbowl with artis hicks and steve scuillio sharing time at a guard spot
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2011, 09:17:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
not at all...i praise the team when they draft well and i could reel off players where i praised them....its just that my criticism stands out because most people are or wanna be homers so when i criticize its like "omg is he really saying that about the eagles?"...so the negativity stands out much more
theres also the fact that they have a zesty front office who is not very good at the drafting thing and their philosophy is 180 degrees from where mine is...so of course im going to dislike their picks more often than not...i dont shy away from who i want them to pick and i name those players every year before the eagle choose...so its not like if they picked one of my guys id all of a sudden do a reverse and rip them just to rip them....the fact is tho that i just dont agree with most of what they do on draft days
okay, I'll play along. Who would you have picked with the 23rd overall selection?
jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there
if you are going to go OL then i would have gone carimi....winston justice is serviceable as is mike mcglynn but hes also at a position that is a 1000 times more important so if you wanna upgrade i would have done that over guard....
i also would have traded up for prince but obviously i dont know the dynamics of the market so maybe that wasnt pissible altho its much more likely the eagles didnt like him enough...which is fair
i should also note that if this guy can play center then im fine with the pick but i havent heard one thing yet that says he can or will....my major problem is if this guy was drafted to play right guard instead of mike mcglynn....i am going on the assumption that jj will be the center mcglynn moved back to his natural guard spot and heremans peters and justice returning to their spots....i just dont think an upgrade from mcglynn to watkins if its even an upgrade is worth a first round pick when your defense was an absolute train wreck at like five seven different spots
also my isuues with this pick would have softened somewhat if they didnt butcher their second round pick...because now where are the imporvments on defense coming from...and dont give me free agency we all know thats a crap shoot
lol @ pissible.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:51:39 AM
also my isuues with this pick would have softened somewhat if they didnt butcher their second round pick...because now where are the imporvments on defense coming from...
Agreed
Quoteand dont give me free agency we all know thats a crap shoot
If they get Awesome-o, it's all good. But he's about the only player available that can make a high impact.
I wanted a cornerback in the first round. Not sure how many more times I need to post that for you to get it through your thick skull, dook.
That said, who's to say that Jay-Kwan ain't the real deal? Just because Mel Kiper & Todd McFag didn't project him at 55 doesn't mean he won't be a player.
They needed safety help almost as badly as they need a RCB and they got one they THINK is going to be a player. It's like that every year. They know more than we do, so we're gonna have to just sit back and see how it turns out.
The Eagles are not keeping almost any player for more than five years, no matter how he plays. If they get five years of good play out of this guy and then dump him because he's too old/too expensive, whatever...the pick will still have to be called a success because the chances of getting that much production out of any particular pick is damn low.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there
I'll make sure to bump this once Jimmy Smith pulls a Pacman Jones - who was another guy you wanted the Eagles to take a chance on. And Jordan reminds me of Abiamiri.
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The brunette in the purple dress would get it.
She is probably 15.
And?
Rome's new home page? (http://www.volusia.org/sheriff/Sex%20Offenders/Predators/default.htm)
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2011, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there
I'll make sure to bump this once Jimmy Smith pulls a Pacman Jones - who was another guy you wanted the Eagles to take a chance on. And Jordan reminds me of Abiamiri.
im sure you will because you care more about message board call outs than your actual teams...youve proved this with your thad young infatuation
if the hockey player is better than smitty then thats a good thing for the eagles and ill say so...end of story
but it doesnt change the fact that for right now i think its a bad pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: shorebird on April 30, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.
I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.
read the thread i named like seven average at best to zesty guards who have won super bowls in the last decade alone...and the eagles made the superbowl with artis hicks and steve scuillio sharing time at a guard spot
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Ridiculous, every Superbowl winner in the last eight years has has a pro bowl guard, tackle, or center on it's roster, 'cecpt for maybe the Saints. Your using the Eagles making the Superbowl with Artis Hicks as reasoning towards your argument?? HA! Look at the team that beat them and ask Brady how he'd like his line without prennial pro bowler Mat Light.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses
How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.
I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.
read the thread i named like seven average at best to zesty guards who have won super bowls in the last decade alone...and the eagles made the superbowl with artis hicks and steve scuillio sharing time at a guard spot
c
Ridiculous, every Superbowl winner in the last eight years has has a pro bowl guard, tackle, or center on it's roster, 'cecpt for maybe the Saints. Your using the Eagles making the Superbowl with Artis Hicks as reasoning towards your argument?? HA! Look at the team that beat them and ask Brady how he'd like his line without prennial pro bowler Mat Light.
im not talking about the offensive line as a whole....im talking about one of the guard spots...a single guard spot is not big in the overall picture of a football team and should almost never be addressed in the first round...especially with gordie howe
One of the guard spots isn't a big deal....IF you have an all-pro center. The Eagles do not.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2011, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there
I'll make sure to bump this once Jimmy Smith pulls a Pacman Jones - who was another guy you wanted the Eagles to take a chance on. And Jordan reminds me of Abiamiri.
im sure you will because you care more about message board call outs than your actual teams...youve proved this with your thad young infatuation
if the hockey player is better than smitty then thats a good thing for the eagles and ill say so...end of story
but it doesnt change the fact that for right now i think its a bad pick
I like to break your balls because you're so sure of your opinions.
He's not sure of his opinions at all because most of them are fabrications. He posts wildly outlandish bullshtein to rouse opinions here. That's what makes his comment about message boards so deliciously ironic.
I love IGY but anyone taking anything he posts here serious should have their sarcasm meter re-calibrated.
you can ask anyone i know and they will tell you i have the same exact opinions...in fact before i post what i think ive already told numerous people the same thing...not sure why this is hard to believe...other than cole and beane isnt everyones opinions here what they really believe
So you're saying that everything you post here... is truthful?
It's not wildly over-the-top hyperbole intended to spur debate?
No chance. Not buying it.
i dont think hyperbole is restricted to just message boards
i also dont think hyperbole and truthfulness are mutually exclusive
Roy Halladay is the 7th best pitcher in the division.
Signed. Will be at Lehigh tomorrow.
He did not get the 4th year of the contract guaranteed as his agents were hoping.
At least he didn't miss too much camp, hopefully he comes in and is what they expect him to be.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 01, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Signed. Will be at Lehigh tomorrow.
He did not get the 4th year of the contract guaranteed as his agents were hoping.
farg his agents, they have no leverage anymore, he's a rookie.
Ha - word.
Get your ass to work, fireman.
Has there ever been a more pointless hold out of a rookie? This was 100% his agents being cocks.
Quote from: SD on August 01, 2011, 08:46:20 PM
Has there ever been a more pointless hold out of a rookie? This was 100% his agents being cocks.
One of the agents
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seems to me this was on the team not the player...is it really a lot to ask for a fourth year guarnteed...i mean its not like he was looking for six or even five years...four years at under 10 mil total dollars seems like a pittance for your number one pick...i mean if you are confident in your drafting and like the player why not give a first rounder a fourth year guarnteed
what have all the other number ones been getting?
Maybe you should have done some research on that question before expressing your opinion?
yeah i just looked and per usual i am correct....no less than 8 first rounders have received four years guaranteed.....good for the eagles in sticking it to the guy but i dont know that he was looking for anything outlandish and thus i dont think you can blame him or his agents for the five days
Maybe you should dig a little deeper.....the whole reason players in watkins range haven't signed is specifically because of the guarantee issue.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 02, 2011, 07:53:16 AM
Maybe you should dig a little deeper.....the whole reason players in watkins range haven't signed is specifically because of the guarantee issue.
at least one guy behind him got four guranteed
adrian clayborne (three picks prior) four guaranteed
id be a sick gm
Who behind him got four?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 02, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Who behind him got four?
actually no one or none of the disclosed contracts....i was looking at total dollars not years....basically what is happening is that players are getting more guaranteed money in the first three years...that way the player gets caked off more but the team can claim victory by saying they didnt give an additional year guaranteed
this is precisely what happened in watkins case
I still don't understand the problem. The old man firefighter missed 5 days of camp. None of the free agents can practice with the team anyway until August 4. Why do we have to blame one side or the other for a relatively meaningless absence? Eagles didn't want to go 4 guaranteed, his agents did, they maybe compromised on slightly more guaranteed money over the first 3 years, good job to both sides on getting the deal done.
Note that there are still a few unsigned players in that area of the first round, including Prince Amukamara IIRC.
In 4 years Watkins will be 30. Thus, Watkins would never have a chance to sign a second contract with the Eagles if this was a 4 year deal.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 03, 2011, 06:29:20 PM
If 4 years Watkins will be 30. Thus, Watkins would never have a chance to sign a second contract with the Eagles if this was a 4 year deal.
Would have been a much more poignant joke before this off-season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 02, 2011, 09:08:59 AM
None of the free agents can practice with the team anyway until August 4. Why do we have to blame one side or the other for a relatively meaningless absence?
Well he wasn't a free agent so he lost four days of camp that he could have used. Rookies started practicing right away. As for the blame, it was a pointless holdout. He had nothing to gain by it. The new CBA makes holdouts a thing of the past. There is absolutely no benefit for the players (rookie or vet) in holding out anymore. Sign your contract and join the team.
Not completely true. Watkins actually did get more guaranteed money over the first 3 years of his deal than the Eagles were initially offering, reportedly.
I was reading today that Danny Watkins agent is Joe Panos. Not sure how I missed that during negotiations. Was that a commonly known thing?
It's Jon Marks birthday and he did his show with Danny at Chickies on the blvd. Swung by to wish Jon a happy birthday then chatted with the Fireman for a second. Seems like a decent enough guy.
Canadian Ehhhh
Name dropper.
Doesn't a name have to be recognizable in order to be "dropped" though?
I've missed large chunks of the last several games. Has Watkins looked any better. The OL in general has improved drastially from the beginning of the year, which gives me hope for the future, but I haven't focused on watching them specifically at all. Is Watkins even playing?
Quote from: rjs246 on December 20, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
I've missed large chunks of the last several games. Has Watkins looked any better. The OL in general has improved drastially from the beginning of the year, which gives me hope for the future, but I haven't focused on watching them specifically at all. Is Watkins even playing?
Yes, he's been starting at RG for over 2 months now.
Way to not answer the actual question, dingus.
His named hasn't been called but for maybe one or two penalties over the last several games - so that's good. He's played pretty well I think.
hes gotten better basically because he had nowhere to go but up as he initially couldnt even get on the field
i suspect he can end up being passable as your 5th best lineman...problem with that is that kind of guy is normally your lowest paid lineman who you dont have much investment in whether monotarily or in terms of players or picks...which obviously isnt the case with the fireman
He's white and Canadian and therefore incapable of improving.
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yeah theres no white offensive lineman in the nfl.....good call
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2011, 11:57:30 AM
yeah theres no white offensive lineman in the nfl.....good call
Thank god somebody said it.
lol
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 11:14:38 AM
The best thing about this pick is instead of waiting the normal eight years for him to be cut we'll only have to wait four when he turns thirty.
Yessssssssssssss!
Ahem...
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:37:31 PM
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Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
They gave up almost 50 sacks last year. Their line sucked and they started to address that by drafting this clown. Can't fault them for that.
addressing the line was a minor mistake...picking this clown was a major farg up
By all accounts he was going five spots later to New England. You're acting like they pulled a Jon Harris again, which is clearly not the case. I wanted them to go up and pick a cornerback personally but if they were going to go after a lineman I can't fault them for going after Watkins. He was one of the top linemen in the draft.
;D
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-never-got-toughness-they-wanted-watkins
Great 2011 draft, Howie. Stellar job, kid.
QuoteWatkins is the first Eagles first-round pick the team has cut ties with after just two seasons since Jon Harris, an equally bewildering first-round pick back in 1997.
How appropriate. Harris was the end of Rhodes and the fire fighter was the end of AR.
Quote"Howie had this guy, right from the get-go, at the top," Reid said at the time. "This was a guy that he really wanted and liked."
What article is that from?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2011, 11:00:17 PM
I'm just glad the wait is over and we know who their next first round bust is.
I just read through the entire thread. This made me chuckle.
Quote from: SunMo on April 28, 2011, 10:36:32 PM
he can start at right guard from day one, so i guess that negates his age a little bit
Quote from: Hawk on April 28, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2011, 10:55:44 PM
ESPN says the kid is mean and ready to start, and points out that he'll be working the right side--Vick's back--which is interesting to note. Interesting.
But IGY doesn't like the pick so I'm not sold.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2011, 05:46:50 AM
I don't understand how anyone can bitch about this pick. Sure he's old as dirt and big and white and boring but do any of you remember Kolb and Vick getting the shtein kicked out of them last year? A CB would have been great but interior line is a huge need and they filled it. Stop griping you farging women.
Danny Watkins, Miami Dolphin
evan mathis: ""Danny [Watkins] is a good person it just seemed like his heart might not have been in football," Mathis said. "If it was, I think he was putting too much pressure on himself. "
so which was it, he really didn't care about football or he cared too much that he put too much pressure on himself?
He plays football because it pays the bills, but at night he dreams of riding a moose, fire ax in hand, against a deadly inferno.
Quote from: SunMo on September 03, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
evan mathis: "Danny [Watkins] is a good person it just seemed like his heart might not have been in football, Mathis said. If it was, I think he was putting too much pressure on himself. "
so which was it
sounds like evan mathis doesnt know shtein about shtein and just likes to hear himself talk (and tweet)
When you have a 97 rating in Madden you do whatever you want.
Haha. True. The ratings czar must have been smoking crack that day.
Mathis routinely grades out as one of the top OG's in the league.
On a related note - Kelce was ProFootballFocus' highest graded C in the pre-season.
QuoteReuben Frank @RoobCSN 24m
Howie on WIP on drafting Danny Watkins: "On that evaluation, I was wrong. I thought he was going to be a good player in this league."
Typical blame-shifting bullsh- wait what?
Gotta give the little bookworm credit for admitting he farged up with Watkins. He looks like he got 2012 & 2013 right, though, so another two or three years worth of drafts plus some free agent wins and this team might not be a total embarrassment.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
QuoteReuben Frank @RoobCSN 24m
Howie on WIP on drafting Danny Watkins: "On that evaluation, I was wrong. I thought he was going to be a good player in this league."
Listened to the howie show on the way home. Merrill Reese was there too, they interviewed Kendricks. Howie didn't take ALL the blame for that pick, he said the focus was winning now and they took need rather than BPA. His other comments make it seem like it was both him and Andy's fault.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
QuoteReuben Frank @RoobCSN 24m
Howie on WIP on drafting Danny Watkins: "On that evaluation, I was wrong. I thought he was going to be a good player in this league."
its good that someone made a first round selection for an nfl team 25 seconds after he was working in the accounting department
free pass lurie skates off again into the nantucket sunset with his 13 year old vietnamese wife
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2013, 05:52:51 PM
Gotta give the little bookworm credit for admitting he farged up with Watkins. He looks like he got 2012 & 2013 right, though, so another two or three years worth of drafts plus some free agent wins and this team might not be a total embarrassment.
he said it was an organization decision before wip played the quotes of him claiming the lone credit for the pick.
Really interesting article. As a fan, you have to question the player and the organization. As a human being, I hope he found happiness. Obviously as Eagles fans we never will.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/17/danny-watkins-philadelphia-eagles/
what a stupid icehole.
So what's going on there? Was he touched inappropriately by a fireman or something when he was kid? Pyro? I understand having passion for a hobby, but skipping your NFL game prep to go into burning buildings is something deeper and weirder.
Pyro. Never trust anyone who loves sirens.
Farg this guy. If he wanted to be a fireman, he never should have entered the draft. It was one thing when I thought the guy simply sucked...it happens. But to read this and see that he was just never all that into it really pisses me off.
The Eagles really have a good track record for drafting guards with hall of fame potential and no fargs to give.
I'm not even going back to look at that draft class and see who they "could have had".
I looked, honestly it was a terrible draft. Cameron Jordan or Muhammed Wilkerson would have been nice to have. But that 26-32 was pretty meh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_draft
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2014, 09:40:12 PM
Farg this guy. If he wanted to be a fireman, he never should have entered the draft. It was one thing when I thought the guy simply sucked...it happens. But to read this and see that he was just never all that into it really pisses me off.
good front offices can smell a lack of desire on a player during the pre draft interviews
Or they could just ask him his first name.
at least this guy made it on the field unlike this season's 1st round pick.