I'm in the market for a handgun. What kinds should I consider? You packing (aside from your johnson)? What you got?
Let's talk about guns.
guns are beyond retarded
but if this thread as i suspect it will distracts seabiscuit from making novel length posts on his stupid house then im all for it
Try to avoid shooting your wife's new tits. (with the gun)
Why are guns retarded? I don't own one, but that's only because I'm retarded
Get the Judge. it's a handgun and a shotgun!
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 01, 2011, 02:10:16 PM
Why are guns retarded?
i have no interest in getting into a gun debate with anyone...its boring and nothing but me becoming extremely angry can come from it
And yet you can't seem to shut the farg up about it. Interesting.
yeah "guns are retarded" is a virtual manifesto on the topic
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2011, 01:58:18 PM
guns are beyond retarded
but if this thread as i suspect it will distracts seabiscuit from making novel length posts on his stupid house then im all for it
There goes someones invite.
If you're looking for a simple gun to start with, you really cant go wrong with a glock. I'd look at either a glock 17/19. Glocks require very little attention as far as cleaning/upkeep. They're easy to do upgrades with, and they're fun to shoot. Pricewise (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=2967) they're pretty normal. My next one will be a Beretta 92fs, i love the slide on them, and they shoot perfectly. Only problem its a beretta and requires maintenance
I've got a Browning Hi Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
(http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Hi%20Power%20or%201911_files/image012.jpg)
Nice weapon. It's got a serial number matched leather case that holds a second clip as well.
And yay though I often boast about liberals being armed too, it's my only firearm. Don't have the money for more, nor the space.
I am interested in a getting a gun safe that I can build into my bedroom wall or something like that.
Dio, that looks like a nice weapon. The range where I am going to take lessons also has multiple tester guns so you can try before you buy. I will likely want to give it a shot (pun alert?).
SB, that's what I was leaning... Heard the 17 and 19 are so similar but with a notceable difference in recoil (less on the larger 17). I like that a 19 will accept a standard 17 mag though, so I will probably do a comparison of the two before comparing against other brands.
First handgun will likely be a 9mm semi of some sort, though.
why are americans so obsessed with guns?
i dont get it.
is your dick not big enough or something?
Maybe we can get this thread moved to the No Hippos forum.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2011, 03:18:37 PM
why are americans so obsessed with guns?
Because they're bombarded with it on television and the 2nd Amendment says it's fine to carry firearms. In reality, the 2nd Amendment was written during a much different time than today. People actually needed firearms to protect themselves from foreign and domestic enemies. Now that we live in a society with a strong military and police force that should eliminate the need. I like guns, I like shooting them, but I think completely outlawing them would solve a lot of problems. There's not way to take every one or enforce an outlaw so that option is really not viable.
So, what you're saying is that in an ideal world, in which we certainly do not live and will never exist, guns aren't necessary? Sure. Neither are abortions. Neither are militaries or police officers. Need I go on?
Anyway, I guess I'll move the discussion on purchasing to No Hippos and let the debate rage here.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Maybe we can get this thread moved to the No Hippos forum.
bingo
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 01, 2011, 03:36:51 PMAnyway, I guess I'll move the discussion on purchasing to No Hippos and let the debate rage here.
Good call.
Regarding the debate: we wouldn't have half the problem with guns that we do now if sentences for gun crimes were commensurate with the damage gun criminals do to our society.
Illegal possession should be five years minimim no out for good behavior.
Menacing/pointing one at someone should be ten years minimum
Shooting one illegally (but not hitting anyone) 30 years.
Actually shooting someone, whether they die or not, 50 years.
Killing someone with a gun, you get the 50 years minimum for shooting someone, plus the murder charges.
If the real sentences don't convince people to stop the idiotic gunplay, then being in prison will eventually stop it anyway.
Do I see gun lovers advocating for serious gun laws though? No. The dirty little secret is they would rather have no regulation at all than sensible laws and redistration.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 01, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
So, what you're saying is that in an ideal world, in which we certainly do not live and will never exist, guns aren't necessary? Sure. Neither are abortions. Neither are militaries or police officers. Need I go on?
Define 'ideal world'. Wars and violence are always going to happen, so there will always be a need for the military and police. But how do 99% of homicides occur? With a gun. So eliminate the guns and you eliminate a lot of the problem. Sure, if someone wants to kill someone else they'll find a way, but guns make it a million times easier. And like I mentioned, eliiminating guns altogether isn't a viable option so I don't even know where you're going with this.
I don't know what 'redistration' is or where it came from but I like it.
What we need is sensible redistration!
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2011, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 01, 2011, 03:36:51 PMAnyway, I guess I'll move the discussion on purchasing to No Hippos and let the debate rage here.
Good call.
Regarding the debate: we wouldn't have half the problem with guns that we do now if sentences for gun crimes were commensurate with the damage gun criminals do to our society.
Illegal possession should be five years minimim no out for good behavior.
Menacing/pointing one at someone should be ten years minimum
Shooting one illegally (but not hitting anyone) 30 years.
Actually shooting someone, whether they die or not, 50 years.
Killing someone with a gun, you get the 50 years minimum for shooting someone, plus the murder charges.
If the real sentences don't convince people to stop the idiotic gunplay, then being in prison will eventually stop it anyway.
Do I see gun lovers advocating for serious gun laws though? No. The dirty little secret is they would rather have no regulation at all than sensible laws and redistration.
I'm all for stricter gun laws, but the jails are already overpopulated as it is and there's no way they could enforce this.
why could they never enforce that ? because we have lazy/soft judges that just collect paychecks and law makers that worry more about their own interest and that of the lobbyist instead of actually serving the people ?
Quote from: smeags on February 01, 2011, 03:53:15 PM
why could they never enforce that ? because we have lazy/soft judges that just collect paychecks and law makers that worry more about their own interest and that of the lobbyist instead of actually serving the people ?
Where are they putting all of these criminals at? Your house?
Quote from: SD on February 01, 2011, 03:46:21 PMI'm all for stricter gun laws, but the jails are already overpopulated as it is and there's no way they could enforce this.
let the drug offenders out, put gun criminals in their still warm cots
everyone wins
and to be clear, what I'm talking about is gun crime sentences, not gun control
I have my own views about what kind of firearm ought to be available to the general population and what not, just as everyone does, but my point is that the argument over whether and what should be legal is made moot if you make sure than anyone committing a crime with any gun goes to jail for a very long time.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: SD on February 01, 2011, 03:46:21 PMI'm all for stricter gun laws, but the jails are already overpopulated as it is and there's no way they could enforce this.
let the drug offenders out, put gun criminals in their still warm cots
everyone wins
This is my solution as well. The 'war on drugs' has been a colossal failure, so there's no need to keep them illegal and spend billions of dollars a year with that fight.
To me, it's not even about what guns are available.
It's about the screening process. I get a simple backround check, fill out some forms, and bam, I have a handgun. It should be more than that. Do what you can to prevent the mentally unstable from getting their hands on weapons like guns.
So, you're saying that people like you shouldn't be able to own guns? I agree.
Quote from: Munson on February 01, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
To me, it's not even about what guns are available.
It's about the screening process. I get a simple backround check, fill out some forms, and bam, I have a handgun. It should be more than that. Do what you can to prevent the mentally unstable from getting their hands on weapons like guns.
I used to think along similar lines, but the pat response from the gun lobby about restricting guns only restricts law abiding citizens from getting them, is accurate. Don't get me wrong, I think we should have much smarter screening, and as I said, I have my own opinions about what guns should be allowed. But the fact of the matter is that we are up to our eyeballs in guns and any criminal who wants one can get one easily. That's not going to change for a long time, even if we all of a sudden get perfect screening for new gun sales.
What we can do is put motherfargers who go around our communities buying selling and using guns illegally away for a very long time. We don't do that now. Not even close.
I want to start a bromance with this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O_bHR3BmTY&feature=player_embedded