for a 5th rounder...So, he'll be starting on the weakside, I would assume.
So who's penciled in on the strong side?
I guess Moses FargU and Gaither for now...hopefully a guy named Sean Weatherspoon in 5 days.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2010, 11:57:50 AM
So who's penciled in on the strong side?
not an engineer
Major PASS
(http://blog.mlive.com/lions_impact/2008/08/medium_080804_ernie-sims.jpg)
in the last year of his rookie deal, so i would think we either see an extension today or he plays it out, does awesome, and signs with the taterskins
I remember Sims coming out in the draft as a total stud. It looks like his numbers have been very good. Why were the Eagles able to get him for a 5th? Is there any reason not to like this move?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 19, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
I remember Sims coming out in the draft as a total stud. It looks like his numbers have been very good. Why were the Eagles able to get him for a 5th? Is there any reason not to like this move?
definitely injury concerns with him...hes smallish and plays with abandon
(http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Football/316983_ErnieBuster.JPG)
I like it. It doesn't completely suck...which has been unique this offseason.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/football/nfl/03/17/risers.sliders/p1_sims_ernie.jpg)
HIT!
(http://www.exclusivepitbullkennel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ernie-sims-interview-03.jpg)
not a chance he hasn't fought them, or at least aquired them from someone who did.
the shoulder injury and hamstring are a concern, but when this guy is healthy hes covers a lot of ground on the field, and is one of the better sideline-to-sideline tacklers/defenders.
at least the team is smart enough to acknowledge it.
For a 5th and a 7th is a steal. Just need one more linebacker.
Hard not to like this move. Solid.
Quote from: phillycrew on April 19, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
For a 5th and a 7th is a steal. Just need one more linebacker.
5th rounders are the going rate for good players this year. Cant wait to see whos next.
jesus christ i get all excited then realize you guys aren't and now i just don't know what to think of this move. farg you all for knowing too much about other players. if he can put up good numbers on one of the worst teams in the NFL, he's gotta be good right?
Quote from: phillycrew on April 19, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
For a 5th and a 7th is a steal. Just need one more linebacker.
im pretty sure denver gave det a 7th with scheffler
eagles just gave a 5 for sims
Quote from: mussa on April 19, 2010, 12:31:06 PM
jesus christ i get all excited then realize you guys aren't and now i just don't know what to think of this move. farg you all for knowing too much about other players. if he can put up good numbers on one of the worst teams in the NFL, he's gotta be good right?
there hasnt been one person on here that doesnt like the move. cut down on king of the porch mussa.
Yeah aren't there only 7ths compensatory? Which of course cannot be traded. Great pick up, he should fit the Eagles scheme well.
love the trade and thought he was going to be great coming out of FSU, then his career died in Detroit just like every other Millen pick
I hate this move.
No, not really. I just said this for Mussa.
OMG, we could have had Scheffler and Celek on teh field at the same time, horrible trade
i honestly love this trade, well done Gamblor
typical eagles stuff
take an expectidly elite player they liked out of college but didnt want to give up anything to get, wait for him to inevitably fail with his crappy team, then, the year before hes going to be a free agent, offer a low ball trade and hope the coaches and management who didnt draft him give in
now, before he even steps on the field, then can give him the usual eagles long term contract for 30 cents on the dollar. and hell take it. cause hes so god damn happy to not be in detroit anymore.
but yea a 5th for this guy, whats not to like?
Pulitzer.
Prize.
Third. Grade. Spelling. Bee.
nothing like sausage fingers and old florida hick whirling on the grammar police banner.
hi guys.
i never care about grammer (obviously)
but the fact that you are a "writer" is just crazy
in the 4+ years ive been writing the only people whove been saying i suck are fat asses and rjs that i dont know on a lame message board
me thinks ill continue until someone fires me or someone with some actual credibility tells me to hang it up. or until i get frustrated with the lack of pay and move to dc to get a cakin govt job.
Anyway... back to Sims.
Getting a lot of cross feedback about this trade on the net. A lot of fans see it as the Eagles getting another underachieving guy with injury issues from a crappy team, and although there is some merit to that line of thinking, I can't say I totally agree with it.
I thought he was solid playing for Detroit until he got hurt last year, plus playing for a team like that must be a miserable experience day in and day out.
if i recall correctly, he got fired from a job before he even got out of training.
with the advent of the internet and the death of print media the journalistic bar has been lowered to embarrassing levels over the last 15 years so at least you have that going for you
Quote from: SunMo on April 19, 2010, 01:57:18 PM
if i recall correctly, he got fired from a job before he even got out of training.
THAT had nothing to do writing and everything to do with spam
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
Anyway... back to Sims.
Getting a lot of cross feedback about this trade on the net. A lot of fans see it as the Eagles getting another underachieving guy with injury issues from a crappy team, and although there is some merit to that line of thinking, I can't say I totally agree with it.
I thought he was solid playing for Detroit until he got hurt last year, plus playing for a team like that must be a miserable experience day in and day out.
agree, and I dont see how this guy was underachieving at all...I mean he was their best LB (detroit lions or not) and Im pretty sure he was up for nfl rookie of the year when he got into the league. Also, take into account he was switched over systems and youre more than likely going to see a dip in production for a younger guy.
So, we can at least agree that he has more potential as a linebacker than MDS has as a journalist?
top ten picks arent supposed to be solid and this guys talent was off the charts in college...coming out he was supposed to be a big time playmaker....hes been anything but...he gets a lot of tackles because he can get anywhere on the field he wants and detroits dline and other lb's absolutely have sucked since ernie has been there...him getting a hundred tackles on detroit is like stephon marbury averaging 25 pts a game on the nets
he absolutely is worth a 5th round pick but hes clearly underachieved thus far in his career...but underachieving is better than sucking
This is a no lose trade. A 5th rounder for a young guy who is at least good enough to start and has the talent to be better? Who would they have gotten in the fifth roun that can provide that immediately? Dude's only 25. Good trade, Howie.
it's only lose potential is because the Eagles seem to kill 5th round picks.
kidding.
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=408282;topic=18038.720;num_replies=866;sesc=3a18b6ac865dfc114faedcac918aace8
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 09:48:18 AM
more like GET rid of matt mccoy
and
GET ernie sims
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=18008.msg395605#msg395605
i feel better now thanks ^-^
25 year old former 1st rounder for a 5th? In. At worst he's better than what they have.
Is he better than Shawn Barber though?
Quote from: SD on April 19, 2010, 02:50:17 PM
25 year old former 1st rounder for a 5th? In. At worst he's better than what they have.
hmmm, interesting. no one has put it in that perspective yet.
thanks.
every skill set he was drafted for can now take him back to his 2007 season within the eagles defensive system.
youre now taking him out of the tampa 2 system-- where he will be able to feed off the d-line, fly around, attacking the ball rather than just filling his assigned gaps
I wouldnt doubt for a second he is the talk of the defense this year
Quote from: SunMo on April 19, 2010, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: SD on April 19, 2010, 02:50:17 PM
25 year old former 1st rounder for a 5th? In. At worst he's better than what they have.
hmmm, interesting. no one has put it in that perspective yet.
thanks.
why you bustin' dalton's balls, yo?
Quote from: reese125 on April 19, 2010, 03:00:31 PM
every skill set he was drafted for can now take him back to his 2007 season within the eagles defensive system.
youre now taking him out of the tampa 2 system-- where he will be able to feed off the d-line, fly around, attacking the ball rather than just filling his assigned gaps
I wouldnt doubt for a second he is the talk of the defense this year
He had some success as a LB in the Tampa 2 system, the new regime there doesn't run that. If remember correctly last year he was on the trading block as well, Scwhartz likes his LBs to be large in stature.
Its hard to know what he actually offers being that he was on such a craptastic team, at least he has some talent.
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2010, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 19, 2010, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: SD on April 19, 2010, 02:50:17 PM
25 year old former 1st rounder for a 5th? In. At worst he's better than what they have.
hmmm, interesting. no one has put it in that perspective yet.
thanks.
why you bustin' dalton's balls, yo?
i thought he'd be bigger
QuoteErnie owns an extremely large collection of snakes and other reptiles.[5] Because of this, his nickname is "The Snake Charmer" Fox produced a segment for the Lions' game vs the Minnesota Vikings in Detroit in 2007 which showcased his pets.
Love it, with the way he plays he's a good fit on this D.
i love how everyone says he will be a good fit "on this d"
what exactly does that mean
Speedballs
It means he's fast and small and we all hope to hell that the coaches can make that work.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
i love how everyone says he will be a good fit "on this d"
what exactly does that mean
well, i know d means defense...so i think they are saying he'll be good on this defense.
because he's black
not an asian engineer.
Quote from: SunMo on April 19, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2010, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 19, 2010, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: SD on April 19, 2010, 02:50:17 PM
25 year old former 1st rounder for a 5th? In. At worst he's better than what they have.
hmmm, interesting. no one has put it in that perspective yet.
thanks.
why you bustin' dalton's balls, yo?
i thought he'd be bigger
Touche'
The Snake Charmer? Thats just about the worst nickname ever.
Keep him away from Joeslio.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 19, 2010, 05:49:01 PM
The Snake Charmer? Thats just about the worst nickname ever.
My irony detector just melted.
i have an awesome nickname
train engineer
scottish engineer:
(http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/startrek/pics/scotty.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
i love how everyone says he will be a good fit "on this d"
what exactly does that mean
What it meant when I said it was that he plays wide open and is fast for a LB, which lends itself well to a team like the Eagles who blitz a lot.
mcdermot doesnt blitz nearly as much as jj and sims has two sacks in four years
plus the eagles d isnt very good....lets hope he improves it but lets also not act like the eagles have some sort of special defense that makes players better
One of the articles posted around here had a stat that said McDermott blitzed 41% of the time, as compared to JJ's 42% the year before.
I dont think Shore is talking about Sims blitzing, hes referring to him being able protect the blitz in coverage
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2010, 07:18:05 AM
One of the articles posted around here had a stat that said McDermott blitzed 41% of the time, as compared to JJ's 42% the year before.
its an unbelievably subjective stat...but just watch the games and you can see mcdermot blitzes less...not just on the amount of downs but how many people he sends when he blitzes
he even said at the end of the year and after the first dallas game in particular that he wished he blitzed more
Quote from: reese125 on April 20, 2010, 07:21:19 AM
I dont think Shore is talking about Sims blitzing, hes referring to him being able protect the blitz in coverage
definitely wasnt saying that not that its meaningful anyway
tackles are a subjective stat. blitzes are pretty cut and dry.
mcdermott said he wish he had the ability to blitz more against the girls. the train wreck that was the eagles defense last year didn't permit that obviously.
not really...you can have a linebacker drop into coverage...then come late...thats not a blitz but statisticians will count as a blitz ANY play where there is anyone in the offensive backfield other than the front four...for example if a defensive end drops and is replaced on the rush by a linebacker many people would consider that a blitz...its not
then there is cases where you can have six guys blitz on one play or one guy blitz on one play and both are considered the same...where as i considered the former blitzing more
Assuming Hall was a throw in and we got the 4th for Sheldon and the 5th for Gocong, this trade shapes up as: Sims for Gocong
stellar
that's a good way to see it
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2010, 09:59:22 AM
Assuming Hall was a throw in and we got the 4th for Sheldon and the 5th for Gocong, this trade shapes up as: Sims for Gocong
stellar
I don't know if Sims will make a difference at all but a former 9th pick in the draft for a guy who should have been drafted in the 6th or 7th round = win.
A guy with an injury history? Exactly the kind of fella the Eagles like.
I dig the trade because they didn't give up shtein. Let's hope he stays healthy and they can somehow get that potential out of him.
This makes my hope for Weatherspoon go down the shteinter.
They filled their LB quota for the off-season. Now it'll be UDFA's from Fordham and 7th rounders from Texas A&M Kingsville
on wip right now
this guy has shawn barber written all over him. he'll play well and then sign elsewhere next year when the eagles low ball him. fortunately, he'll come back in 2014 to play special teams so if you want to buy his jersey, go right ahead.
POTY?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 20, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
this guy has shawn barber written all over him. he'll play well and then sign elsewhere next year when the eagles low ball him. fortunately, he'll come back in 2014 to play special teams so if you want to buy his jersey, go right ahead.
get yo sharpie and tshirts ready
ha! i'm out of the t-shirt making business.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 20, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
this guy has shawn barber written all over him. he'll play well and then sign elsewhere next year when the eagles low ball him. fortunately, he'll come back in 2014 to play special teams so if you want to buy his jersey, go right ahead.
get yo sharpie and tshirts ready
:-D :-D
I want that shirt.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 20, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
this guy has shawn barber written all over him. he'll play well and then sign elsewhere next year when the eagles low ball him. fortunately, he'll come back in 2014 to play special teams so if you want to buy his jersey, go right ahead.
get yo sharpie and tshirts ready
hahaha
It's sad that I remember why this is funny
I'm liking what i'm reading about Sims in this camp. Cant wait till preseason to see what he can do out there
He probably looks like Derrick Thomas compared to the shtein they threw out there last season
Sims is easily the best linebacker we've had in years. I just hope he plays that way :evil
Quote from: mussa on May 03, 2010, 12:06:25 PM
Sims is easily the best linebacker we've had in years. I just hope he plays that way
Wow.
ha
We've gotta start exiling people from here for making comments like that.
What would we do for comedy then? There's only so many short jokes we can make.
Just imagine being exiled by the likes of :CF
How low can you go?
I'd feel three inches tall for banning someone over a short-sighted opinion.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Just imagine being exiled by the likes of :CF
How low can you go?
I got banned on ES.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 03, 2010, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Just imagine being exiled by the likes of :CF
How low can you go?
I got banned on ES.
They're just jealous that you get to touch a taterskin whenever you like.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Just imagine being exiled by the likes of :CF
How low can you go?
Being here to start with ain't enough?
Ha!
so ernie sims be farging bitches up in practice. how long before someone much bigger than him gets tired of it and knocks his scrawny ass out?
How long before he gives himself another concussion, like the good old days?
Reality is that he is probably giving himself low-grade concussions daily if not several times a day. He'll be mush mouth by the age of 40 and tasering himself to sleep at 50.
As long as he does his job this year on the field I'll forget all about it, though.
QuoteStat of the Week
Philadelphia linebacker Ernie Sims went 1,000 days between wins.
True fact: The last time Sims played in a game for a winning team before Sunday's 35-32 triumph over Detroit was Dec. 23, 2007, when the Lions, his original team, beat Kansas City. Since then, he was 0-1 in 2007, 0-16 in 2008, 0-11 in 2009 and 0-1 this year with the Eagles. That's a personal 29-game losing streak for Sims.
"Wow,'' Sims said after the game from the Eagles' locker room. "I never sat down and figured that out.''
Well, who would?
I would -- eight days followed the win in 2007, 366 (a leap year) in 2008, 365 in 2009 and 261 days preceded Sunday in 2010 ... an even 1,000.
"To be honest with you,'' he said, "it did feel like a long time, but not that long. Not 1,000 days. Because I've been on the sidelines for some games we won but I just didn't play those days. So this feels pretty good.''
Incredible.
good thing he had nothing to do with them winning yesterday.
He looked like shtein out there yesterday. Nice to see him pumped for his "I'll show those bastiches" return to Detroit.
I'm on the Sims bandwagon but through the first two games and the preseason he hasn't shown me shtein
when they put him at DT this week, you'll see his true skills come out
I was estatic when they signed him. I was high on this guy coming out of FSU. Hope he can kick it up a level.
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2010, 02:52:04 PM
when they put him at DT this week, you'll see his true skills come out
lol
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2010, 02:52:04 PM
when they put him at DT this week, you'll see his true skills come out
Potw :-D
if detroit doesnt want someone then you probably wanna ask why
that being said, i don't think he played that bad yesterday...maybe i just missed it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2010, 02:58:03 PM
if detroit doesnt want someone then you probably wanna ask why
You are correct sir.
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
that being said, i don't think he played that bad yesterday...maybe i just missed it
aside from not being able to cover or playing the run well I agree
i didnt notice him in the pass game but he was getting murdered all game long on running plays
He couldn't keep up with Pettigrew. Athletically I think Sims is fine but he plays angles bad and can't shed blocks for shtein.
Gaither's performance helped camouflage some of Sims.
Quote from: SD on September 20, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
He couldn't keep up with Pettigrew. Athletically I think Sims is fine but he plays angles bad and can't shed blocks for shtein.
i saw gaither chasing pettigrew all game
and i couldnt agree more about sims and getting off blocks....he cant do it...or at least he didnt do it yesterday
Quote from: Don Ho on September 20, 2010, 03:12:11 PM
Gaither's performance helped camouflage some of Sims.
yeah. sims wasn't even the worst lb out there on sunday.. but he was bad in all aspects.
I didnt think he was that bad either. But when you're gashed like that and SHAUN HILL lights that ass up for 300+..no one gets praise.
Gaither is garbage.
it was a horrendous effort on defense all around. sims wasn't the main farg up, though.
gaither has no business being a starter in the nfl. not even remotely close.
I don't think anyone was saying that Sims was worse than the backup LB who was being exploited all day. Sims is supposed to be the guy who is out there all year though, so if all we can say positive about him is that he's not Gaither, that's a big problem going forward. This was the kind of game you would have expected Sims to be fired up for.
Of course Gaither shouldn't be a starter. He isn't a starter. The only reason he's even a backup is because he's a veteran of the defense, and because he's versatile (which apparently means he knows how to suck at all the LB positions). The only question left is whether he should even be a backup. It's clear the Eagles undervalue LB so I guess they are fine just having bodies back there for depth. Can Chaney be worse than Gaither's display on Sunday?
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 20, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
I don't think anyone was saying that Sims was worse than the backup LB who was being exploited all day. Sims is supposed to be the guy who is out there all year though, so if all we can say positive about him is that he's not Gaither, that's a big problem going forward. This was the kind of game you would have expected Sims to be fired up for.
QB gets it and shtein
It just goes to show you how bad our LBs have been over the years, because as bad as Gaither sucks there have been a few worse LBs than him on this team.
Matt McCoy being the topper.
It would be nice if they could draft a stud linebacker to... wait for it... PLAY LINEBACKER.
They have tried a couple in the 2nd round but mercifully not recently.
To be fair, they've been close to trading for Urlacher almost every year for the last decade.
fined 50k
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/03/ernie-sims-draws-50000-fine-for-week-seven-hit/
did they forget about the hit until a week later?
Apparently they did until Charley Casserly pointed the hit out on teevee.
QuoteIt's unclear why the fine wasn't imposed in the days after the game was played; a cynic might say that imposing the fine would have undermined the predetermined narrative that beefed-up enforcement coming out of Week Six resulted in no illegal hits in Week Seven.
The hit must have happened in week 8 because if they don't fine him until week 9, then the illegal hit couldn't have happened in week 7, right?
Pretty sure that was the play when he hit the guy going out of bounds...wound up taking part of Asante out with him.
farg that the refs should get fined for not catching it
Quote from: SD on November 03, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
Pretty sure that was the play when he hit the guy going out of bounds...wound up taking part of Asante out with him.
That was Johnson that he hit on that play, and no it wasn't what he was fined for.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 04, 2010, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: SD on November 03, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
Pretty sure that was the play when he hit the guy going out of bounds...wound up taking part of Asante out with him.
That was Johnson that he hit on that play, and no it wasn't what he was fined for.
Correct it wasn't the play involving Johnson. Lavelle Hawkins?
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/11/03/ernie-sims-fined-50-000-by-nfl-for-hit-on-titans-receiver-lavel/?synd=1 (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/11/03/ernie-sims-fined-50-000-by-nfl-for-hit-on-titans-receiver-lavel/?synd=1)
hop on mcdermotts back for a piggy ride out of the nova care complex. thanks.
He farging sucks. I waited to see him step up all year, and when Moses Fokou outshines you, you farging suck.
He takes awful angles and can't form tackle, square up or break down an opposing player to save his life. Painful.
the awful angles doesnt even describe how bad he is. He takes the short angle every time, and has no concept of his lack of speed, or that he runs with wooden legs
sims plays too fast if anything...he overruns shtein constantly and is always trying to wack someone instead of just making a tackle
he was AWFUL yesetrday
red flags shoulda went up when detroit didnt want him
another "serious" attempt at addressing the LB position. more smoke up my ass, thanks!
i cant rip them for getting sims...i was fully on board with the guys talent and liked the move
but that doesnt change the fact that he isnt very good
chances are very good he leaves the eagles and makes the pro-bowl next year.
True. I was really high on bringing him in, but you cant teach people to not be stupid
No doubt Sims walks, but never fear, Keenan Clayton is waiting in the wings.
The play that they called him offsides, he got back before the ball was snapped. Should have been a non-call.
Thanks for bringing that up FF. Sure did look like he got back in time. Bullshtein call.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2011, 02:24:58 PM
Thanks for bringing that up FF. Sure did look like he got back in time. Bullshtein call.
Naturally, Aikman and Buck said nothing. They were nearly unbearable yesterday.
They said the center snapped the ball before Sims could jump back, but luckily Rodgers was ready for it!
They did say that, completely failing to recognize that Clayton was back on the correct side of the ball before the center snapped it. Whatever. The loss is either 100% Sean McDermott's fault, 100% David Akers' fault, or 100% Michael Vick's fault. I haven't decided yet, but my ire is READY.
It's 300% McVickers fault.
You forgot to adjust for inflation.
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2010, 07:33:59 AM
mcdermott said he wish he had the ability to blitz more against the girls. the train wreck that was the eagles defense last year didn't permit that obviously.
i just re-read this thread and came across this gem.
ugh. . .
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
They did say that, completely failing to recognize that Clayton was back on the correct side of the ball before the center snapped it. Whatever. The loss is either 100% Sean McDermott's fault, 100% David Akers' fault, or 100% Michael Vick's fault. I haven't decided yet, but my ire is READY.
I decided it's 100% Pimp's fault. He should have scored on the final drive...he had all sorts of space, how the farg did he get tripped up
Pimp at 100% scores there or comes awfully close. He barely got tripped and he had Maclin in front of him.
Doesn't matter.. if he scores there and that quickly... no doubt that Green Bay comes down and wins the game.
exactly....no chance that defense stops them after that....in fact knowing this pimp might have gotten tripped up on puprose there
I think had Pimp not gotten hurt earlier in the game, he would have scored. Of course, had Vick spiked the ball and stopped the clock so they could huddle up and get a good playcall in, who knows what would have happened. Because even if Vick completes that pass for a td, GB still gets the ball back with about 30 sec left on the clock and I believe they had 2 TO's left and only needing to get in FG range to either tie (if the Eagles got a successful 2PAT) or win (if the Eagles failed).
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2011, 12:43:16 PM
exactly....no chance that defense stops them after that....in fact knowing this pimp might have gotten tripped up on puprose there
Wow. You're like the ES of Pimp fans. Slow your roll, homie. Pimp ain't giving up the opportunity to score a potential game winning td so that more time can run off the clock. Maybe if he gets down to the goal line, he runs across the field like he did in NY before crossing to run a few extra seconds off the clock, but that's about it.
holy shtein i cant believe you just typed all that
Sarge fail.
The pass was lousy but Reid had Riley Cooper on the field (team?) which is infinitely worse than a guy taking a shot.
I'm not mad at Vick for running the play and I'm not going to crucify him for it. But I do think the smarter option would have been to spike the ball and huddle up.....and get Cooper off the field. I like that Vick was aggressive, that's something we'd have never seen from McNabb in that situation. McNabb would have spiked it without hesitation so that he could be told what to do. Vick took charge and came up short. At least he made a decision. I can live with that.
Well, when you have 4 WR's out there, your 4th WR tends to be out there...
vick had to have been mentally torn in opposite directions....as a qb you are taught that if you have single coverage on the outside go there....at the same time the reason they had single coverage out there was because it was riley farging cooper...the ultimate decision to throw the football there is the qb's and thats who the blame should be on for the int but yes the package and alignment was terrrible
which why the biggest mistake on that play was not spiking the ball...
dead the clock
regroup
and get a package on the field that doesnt include riley cooper on the outside and does include one of your charts very best play calls
instead inexplicably they rushed everything for no reason and were ill prepared to run the proper play
mcnabb would have spiked the ball with 3 seconds left.
Hahaha...how true. It would have taken him 30 sec just to get the team to the los.
Would of took him at least 30 sec to puke in the huddle and the team never makes it to the LOS.
Is Simms that bad or is the coaching and system just bad. just about every LB to come through here in the last 10 years has sucked. the % of bad line backing is off the charts for this team. someone post a list of all the LB's on this team since 2000. im sure some hilarious names will pop up.
Not awful just mediocre. They don't put a premium on linebackers and as a result this is what we end up with.
Sims is that bad. He takes bad angles and over runs players, he's not good at rushing the passer, doesn't cause or get turnovers, and is mediocre in coverage. He had a nice 2 or 3 game stretch but other than that he's Akeem Jordan. I really think they're going to put Bradley at the Sam, give Chaney the Mike job, and try Clayton at the Wil. They're not drafting a LB high or signing one so lets not delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.
Quote from: SD on January 15, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
I really think they're going to put Bradley at the Sam, give Chaney the Mike job, and try Clayton at the Wil.
i really hope you are wrong...bradley gets abused when he tries to cover from the mike spot...him on the outside in even more open space would garner hindenburg type results
chaney seems game but jesus he was a 7th round pick for a reason
and "try" is the perfect word with clayton...because thats all they ever do at lb and what theyd be doing with him...just tossing him out there and hoping he does well
in conclusion if those three in those spots are their linebackers next year i might turn in my season tickets
Bradley's idea of pass coverage is to keep his shoulders square to the quarterback and his eyes squarely on the receiver's back as he chases him down the field.
They're not going to * waste * a high pick on an LB and they won't spend money on one in FA. In short were farged.
the only plus bradley as the SAM would be is his ability to shed off some pulling guards and the fb on the run. that would at least keep that side of the ball contained.
biggest flaw is he gets smoked by witten, boss and cooley on the regular. cheney can cover to an extent, but he gets beat up on the inside and cant shed blocks, so youre damned either way.
maybe get some interior push and an end/s that can hold up a whole season, you might be able to make those mediocre LBs look like football players.
He's white.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
someone post a list of all the LB's on this team since 2000. im sure some hilarious names will pop up.
Stewart Bradley, Omar Gaither, Joe Mays, Chris Gocong, Akeem Jordan, Jeremiah Trotter, Will Witherspoon, Jamar Chaney
Oh wait, that's just the the guys who have started at a single linebacker position in two seasons under McDermott.
funny thing Sims averaged around 125 tackles a year before his last year in Det when he was injured. The coaching and system btw are surperb.
he played for detroit my man. thats what happens when your on the defensive 50 minutes out of the 60 played.
True, but there's a lot of linebackers on a lot of bad teams that won't come anywhere near that. In fact very few will.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
someone post a list of all the LB's on this team since 2000. im sure some hilarious names will pop up.
Please don't. I want to enjoy my weekend.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
Is Simms that bad or is the coaching and system just bad. just about every LB to come through here in the last 10 years has sucked. the % of bad line backing is off the charts for this team. someone post a list of all the LB's on this team since 2000. im sure some hilarious names will pop up.
I think pretty much covers all of them.
Jeremiah Trotter
Carlos Emmons
Barry Gardner
Mike Caldwell
Ike Reese
James Darling
Quinton Caver
Shawn Barber
Levon Kirkland
Mark Simoneau
Nate Wayne
Keith Adams
Dhani Jones
Mike Labinjo
Justin Ena
Derrick Roper
Jason Short
Zachary Moreno
Matt McCoy
Omar Gaithersburg
Torrance Daniels
TKO Spikes
Chris Gocong
Akeem Jordan
Stewart Bradley
Pago Togafu
Tracy White
Will Witherspoon
Moises Fokou
Joe Mays
Ernie Sims
Jamar Chaney
Brandon Graham
Keenan Clayton
Quote from: Don Ho on January 15, 2011, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
someone post a list of all the LB's on this team since 2000. im sure some hilarious names will pop up.
Please don't. I want to enjoy my weekend.
Oops
I think you forgot someone....whoever it was taht took 54 after trotter left the first time....Harrison maybe? I can't remember his name.
All they need to do is ad Fujita to that list and we got the United Nations roll call.
Quote from: Munson on January 15, 2011, 05:53:47 PM
I think you forgot someone....whoever it was taht took 54 after trotter left the first time....Harrison maybe? I can't remember his name.
I'm sure there's a few missing.
What's the ruling on ND Kalu? Didn't he play DE and LB?
Sarge, your boy Barber. :ya
We go way back.
Tyreo Harrison or something like that. ND kid.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
Tyreo Harrison or something like that. ND kid.
There you go. Not exactly right but pretty close. I kept wanting to call him Takeo because of Spikes.
Remember how excited we were when the Eagles got Nate Wayne? Good times.
Mr. Monday Night!
when you list 30 LB's and Ike Reese is top 5 you got problems.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 06:12:45 PM
when you list 30 LB's and Ike Reese is top 5 you got problems.
HA!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: SD on January 15, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
I really think they're going to put Bradley at the Sam, give Chaney the Mike job, and try Clayton at the Wil.
i really hope you are wrong...bradley gets abused when he tries to cover from the mike spot...him on the outside in even more open space would garner hindenburg type results
chaney seems game but jesus he was a 7th round pick for a reason
and "try" is the perfect word with clayton...because thats all they ever do at lb and what theyd be doing with him...just tossing him out there and hoping he does well
in conclusion if those three in those spots are their linebackers next year i might turn in my season tickets
I hope so too and I'll go silver lining here:
In my eyes Bradley was starting to pick it up before he dislocated his elbow. I think he'll be fine in coverage since his knee will be 100%. I know we disagree on this because ACL recovery times are shorter now but it still takes a full year to get back to normal.
Chaney I don't care where he was drafted, some players go undrafted and can straight bring it. From what I saw he's more than capable of manning the MIKE.
For WIL I'd like to see someone else but Clayton's already there so he's my guess with who they'd go with. I do like his speed but I don't feel he's an every down WIL.
Maybe the new DC will make LBs a priority
the knee is an issue but even if 100% i dont think bradley can play sam in todays nfl
Just my opinion but I think he'll be better at the SAM than he will at the MIKE
the SAM usually has more pass coverage responsibility than the MIKE, which is what Stewie sucks at.
Bradley was fine in coverage before the injury
he wasnt fine...they have sucked at covering te's for years whether it be the mike or the sam...putting him on the outside to run free with guys would be comical...his best attribute is his size and hitting holes...not running around the field chasing te's
Quote from: SD on January 15, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
Bradley was fine in coverage before the injury
The question is whether he'll ever be back to 100%.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
the SAM usually has more pass coverage responsibility than the MIKE, which is what Stewie sucks at.
This is often true, but not in a cover 2, especially the Tampa 2 version which McDermott started using a lot of where the MLB can get burned on the deeper routes which hurt. Hopefully it will be managed better with the new DC.
there is no defense in the history of football where the mike has more coverage responsibility than the sam...there are some schemes that call for more coverage than a mike is normally used to but never more than an outside backer...by definition the mlb is not supposed to run with people in the open field...if you have one that is decent at it then great but if any mike was that proficient at it he wouldnt be playing inside
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 11:35:33 PM
there is no defense in the history of football where the mike has more coverage responsibility than the sam...there are some schemes that call for more coverage than a mike is normally used to but never more than an outside backer...by definition the mlb is not supposed to run with people in the open field...if you have one that is decent at it then great but if any mike was that proficient at it he wouldnt be playing inside
wrong. In a Tampa-2 the MLB has responsibility of covering the TE or sometimes a back in the middle, especially on a deep seem route if he plays it man. Otherwise, as soon as he reads pass he drops back making the 2 deep into 3 across. This was the innovation Kiffin brought to the cover-2 with Dungy, using an athletic MLB like Shelton Quarles that can both cover and tackle. Not a lot are really good at it, Urlacher is probably the best. The Sam may or may not take a receiver released from the CB in an underneath zone or may or may not take a rb if he releases or rarely blitz if it's a base cover-2. At best he has as much responsibility and probably more than a sam.
Eagleholic is spot on. The old cover 2 (Bud Carson style) relied on the SAM dropping into coverage. The new cover 2 (which is more like a cover 3) has the MIKE dropping back to fill the holes in the zone. Guys like Dungy and Lovie Smith added the innovation of dropping the MIKE back in coverage to fill gaps because they could get away with it since they had faster more athletic MIKE's at their disposal like Shelton Quarles and Urlacherzzzz. Basically I'm repeating what Eagleholic said but he knows his shtein. The cover 2 is mostly a zone defense as it is. You can call it whatever you'd like but McDermott was living and dying by the zone this season. There was a brief instance during the Packers game where he blitzed and played man and that was effective, then he dropped that and it was back to zone with no pressure.
In man coverage, yes, the SAM will be responsible to play pass coverage more often as his guy (the TE) will go out on a pattern more often than the MIKE's guy (either the RB or the FB).
But as ^^^^^^^^ just pointed out, in zone coverage, especially cover 2, it's pretty much the same/if not more geared towards the MIKE.
I'm not in love with Stewart at any position. If his supposed strength is plugging holes, then he's not terribly strong because I did not see enough of that to justify the glaring liability his coverage skills present to the opponent. He ought to be a backup and the Eagles ought to get some real linebackers.
Did any of you watch Steelers Ravens last night? There's some f'n linebackers.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 15, 2011, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 11:35:33 PM
there is no defense in the history of football where the mike has more coverage responsibility than the sam...there are some schemes that call for more coverage than a mike is normally used to but never more than an outside backer...by definition the mlb is not supposed to run with people in the open field...if you have one that is decent at it then great but if any mike was that proficient at it he wouldnt be playing inside
wrong. In a Tampa-2 the MLB has responsibility of covering the TE or sometimes a back in the middle, especially on a deep seem route if he plays it man. Otherwise, as soon as he reads pass he drops back making the 2 deep into 3 across. This was the innovation Kiffin brought to the cover-2 with Dungy, using an athletic MLB like Shelton Quarles that can both cover and tackle. Not a lot are really good at it, Urlacher is probably the best. The Sam may or may not take a receiver released from the CB in an underneath zone or may or may not take a rb if he releases or rarely blitz if it's a base cover-2. At best he has as much responsibility and probably more than a sam.
bottom line is no mlb's are going to primarily cover te's...theres a reason they are middle linebackers and putting stewie outside would be a terrible mistake
Really guys? Enough.
Stewart Bradley isn't going anywhere and the LB core is going to be under-talented for at least another year. Arguing about who covers tight ends and who plugs holes probably belongs in the How Many Would You Hit? thread.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 09:01:03 AM
the LB core is going to be under-talented for at least another year.
This. Getting rid of McDermott is step 1. But it's going to take more than 1 offseason to get the right players on the field.
Nah, man. We've got the players, just need some good coaching.
I respect the fact that you're high and/or loaded this early in the morning.
It is the Lord's day afterall.
LORD SATAN!
You get a hold of some angel dust or something?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 16, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
I'm not in love with Stewart at any position. If his supposed strength is plugging holes, then he's not terribly strong because I did not see enough of that to justify the glaring liability his coverage skills present to the opponent. He ought to be a backup and the Eagles ought to get some real linebackers.
Did any of you watch Steelers Ravens last night? There's some f'n linebackers.
Damn straight and I wish the Eagles would draft LBs like that instead of these quick undersized guys. I want stout rangy mean motherfargers. Their draft philosophy defensively is horrid. I'm not saying Bradley is a pro bowler, but he was good vs. the pass and the run before he was injured. To me you go with your best guys and Chaney is suited for the middle and Bradley is better than Fokou.
I don't know how I feel about Chaney because I never played linebacker (or football for that matter) and I don't watch Eagles games, but he's the only LB on this team who shows anything like a mean streak, so me likey.