QuoteMcNabb strong-arms his way to D.C.
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports Apr 4, 10:22 pm EDT
Donovan McNabb(notes) stood his ground against the Philadelphia Eagles for the second straight year. Now, the question is whether he'll get his revenge.
After being told last month that the Eagles would not deal him to NFC East-rival Washington, McNabb essentially forced Philadelphia's hand by refusing to talk with any of the other teams that had expressed interest in recent weeks. In the process, McNabb can now take out his simmering anger on the Eagles' front office that essentially forced him out of a city where he had played his entire career.
"Frankly, I'm a little shocked," a source close to McNabb said. "I never thought [the Eagles would] do this. Never. But, yeah, this is the same thing that happened last year."
That's a reference to when McNabb leveraged the Eagles to give him a "financial apology" after he had been benched in Week 12 of the 2008 season during a blowout loss to Baltimore. This time, McNabb won a stare-down with Eagles president Joe Banner and right-hand man Howie Roseman.
A stare-down that could come back to haunt the Eagles if they're not right about new starter Kevin Kolb(notes), who is going into his fourth season but remains largely untested. If Kolb fails and McNabb, who is going to play in a similar system under strong offensive head coach Mike Shanahan, makes the taterskins a consistent contender over the next three to four years, the results could undermine what has been one of the league's most consistent front offices.
McNabb, who is in the final year of his deal, made this happen by making it clear he wasn't going anywhere else but Washington. When the Buffalo Bills expressed interest – and even were willing to give McNabb a contract extension – he passed on the offer. When the Oakland Raiders sniffed around and showed willingness to trade for the quarterback without an extension, McNabb indicated to the Eagles through his associates that he'd retire.
"He has plenty of money," the source close to McNabb said. "He's not doing anything he doesn't want to do."
For the past two weeks, the Eagles had hoped McNabb's resolve would thaw. He refused to budge, even telling the Eagles he'd be glad to return to the team even though he knew full well Philadelphia wanted no part of the season-long distraction his presence would create. What the Eagles wanted more than anything was to clear the way for Kolb to start and, in the process, sign him to a contract extension at a more favorable price. Kolb also quietly has been forcing the issue by making it clear that if he's not the starter by this season, he wouldn't sign an extension. Kolb's contract is set to expire at the end of this season, meaning the Eagles would have had to put a high tender on him after this season to keep him.
While the Eagles may have paved the way for a new Kolb deal, Banner and Roseman could be paving the road for their dismissal if this doesn't work. This could be a tipping point in determining who really runs the Eagles. Coach Andy Reid called the shots on the roster, until most recently, when that power increasingly shifted to Banner, a clever contract negotiator who has become expert in locking up players to long-term deals and keeping the Eagles competitive.
The problem is that Banner's semi-Moneyball techniques haven't produced a championship. Neither has McNabb, but he has gotten the Eagles to five NFC championship games and one Super Bowl. Was that success more McNabb or Banner?
Reid believed it was McNabb and had voiced his desire for the Eagles to keep him, even if it cost them Kolb. "Andy thinks Kolb is going to be really good, maybe great. But he knows Donovan is great and probably will be for three or four years," said a source close to Reid.
Now teamed with Shanahan, a brilliant playcaller, McNabb could exact some serious payback from the Eagles. It would be sweet justice for McNabb, who never has felt respected in Philadelphia.
"Not from Day 1," the source close to the quarterback said, referring to when Eagles fans booed when McNabb was selected instead of Ricky Williams(notes) in 1998. "Never, and after a while you get tired of it. He's put up with this for his whole career. They never gave him real weapons until now with those guys [wide receivers Jeremy Maclin(notes) and DeSean Jackson(notes)]. He took them to how many title games with a bunch of stiffs at [wide] receiver?"
McNabb did have Terrell Owens(notes) in 2004, but that turned into a well-documented disaster the following season.
While the taterskins don't feature a bunch of stars at wide receiver or running back and are rebuilding their offensive line, they have the No. 4 overall draft pick. They also have Shanahan.
Not a bad situation if you're McNabb.
No new information. Why a new thread?
ALPACA OUT OF fargING NOWHERE!
That's not new? Or did I miss it buried in the people flinging shtein all over McNabb in the other thread?
I might have believed this if I didn't hear Reid's Sirius interview. He did not sound at all like a guy who was disappointed to get rid of a guy that he has been with for 11 years.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 05, 2010, 09:14:20 PM
I might have believed this if I didn't hear Reid's Sirius interview. He did not sound at all like a guy who was disappointed to get rid of a guy that he has been with for 11 years.
I heard it too. And that is National Andy. He's always going to give those guys more emotion than locally. And he cannot be public about any friction.
If he shows any sort of defiance towards those FO jerks, he'll be cast aside.
I don't think this rift is as big as they make it out to be, if there even is one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
That's not new? Or did I miss it buried in the people flinging shtein all over McNabb in the other thread?
You're missing a lot these days.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 05, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
That's not new? Or did I miss it buried in the people flinging shtein all over McNabb in the other thread?
You're missing a lot these days.
farging shtein kicking texas hicks...
Goddamn blue-hair Florida retirees.
PLEASE FIGHT ME!
RIGHT FCKING NOW!
lol...whoops....I forgot the u.
early nominee for 2010 thread of the year
haha that article makes donovan look worse than he already does.
the fact he needed a financial apology after being benched, the fact that he would retire if he didn't get his way, the fact that he never felt "respected" since day 1. what a soft batch little bitch.
He wasn't respected from day one.
Care to dispute that?
yeah, the farging standing ovations he got every single time he was introduced will refute that pretty much
and the fact that you honestly believe that is what's so ridiculous. after the dirty 30 bullshtein, he was looked upon as the savior, the man to finally win a Super Bowl...AND HE BLEW IT.
iverson, lindros, mcnabb...all the "next" ones and none of them got it done.
Who disrespected him?
Cataldi and the dirty thirty
Rush Limbaugh
T.O.
He always perceived that he was being more disrespected than he was.
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
yeah, the farging standing ovations he got every single time he was introduced will refute that pretty much
Not to mention all the 5 jerseys in the stands.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
He wasn't respected from day one.
Care to dispute that?
puff puff pass man!!
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
yeah, the farging standing ovations he got every single time he was introduced will refute that pretty much
and the fact that you honestly believe that is what's so ridiculous. after the dirty 30 bullshtein, he was looked upon as the savior, the man to finally win a Super Bowl...AND HE BLEW IT.
iverson, lindros, mcnabb...all the "next" ones and none of them got it done.
He had a part in blowing it, but he did not do it by himself. That's what grates on me the most. That the blame lies on his shoulders the most when in fact it was not entirely his fault.
Spare me the standing ovations and 5 jersey sales crap. The media and a lot of people hated the guy from jump street.
Why the cries for leadership and the ridiculous obsession with vocal leadership?
Why the pot shots about his zipped up PCs?
Why the man love and obsession and the want to keep Garcia over him because that old sonofabitch was fiery?
He was overwhelmingly under appreciated in this city and it sucks.
People got all worked up over stupid shtein and it sounded petty...oh his mom says this, oh he said that, oh mygod donovan won't have a good press conference.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
And he's going to be booed like hell when he comes back.
this is just subject you can't discuss rationally...it's a shame
when you say "spare me the standing ovations and jersey sales", the absolute proof that he was loved and appreciated and then go on to rant about minor little things that happened over 11 years..it just shows you want everything to fit your agenda.
5 got no less hate than any non-other wordly qb has gotten
its been the to drama and rush limbaugh stuff that has been so upfront
he was non stop cheered from day one pretty much and to nitpick and cry and about minuscule stuff shows how delusional you are with the 5 love
Look, the majority of the fans liked him. And I don't put much stock in the jersey sales because they only sell a few name ones unless you get 'em customized.
But the things I have named and seen on MBs, written in newspapers, listened to on the radio over the years shows an underlying hatred for him by many. Its undeniable.
And I am jaded because I am a huge fan, but as stubborn as I am in my support, its equally negative the other way. People are enjoying the trade too much for my liking. If he was so beloved why in the hell is he being run out of town?
He was loved in this city...then his act got old. It's not all his fault but when you're a qb you have to take the bad with the good. The city never fully embraced him because his personality wasn't a good fit for Philly...not to mention - to this very day - he's still bitter over the draft day crap. To say he wasn't appreciated is a crock. Jay needs rehab.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
If he was so beloved why in the hell is he being run out of town?
Because it is time to move on. They have a guy waiting in the wings, it is time to find out if he is going to do it or not. McNabb has come close many times but has never gotten over the hump, why not give the other guy a chance?
i think there were pockets of people who hated him and never gave him any credit, just like randall and jaworski. and there were groups that blamed all his failings on others and think he's a hall of famer.
i'm in the middle, i know he was a good to great quarterback who didn't do what he had to do when it came to winning a championship. i thought he would be the guy to break the streak, but it took Tampa, Carolina, and the Super Bowl for me to see that he didn't have what it took.
now, i'm ready to move on because i don't think he'll ever win one, Kolb might be awful...but he could be great too, we don't know yet and i'm willing to take a step back next year to find out.
think about like this, j
don is a girl you are dating. shes crazy, has her good moments and bad moments. usually when things go bad, you have great makeup sex and she lets you do stuff to her she normally doesnt. but over the course of 11 years the makeup sex starts to get stale. the bad stuff, the petty fights, the crazy antics, they start to appear worse than they actually over. pretty soon you cant take it anymore. things are at their breaking point. you cant go through another up and down year where shes awesome and open to anal and stuff then two weeks later she breaks your flat screen tv because you forget to take out the trash.
so youre at a breaking point, the holidays are coming up, its do or die. youre going to her folks place. if things go right, then maybe you can convince yourself to keep it going. if things go terribly then you know its over. it has to be, even though you might be able to work it out, you just need a clean break and to start fresh.
so you get to her folks place and she loses back to back weeks to the cowboys in utterly embarrassingly horrific fashion and throws in a dorky banjo dance to boot.
when that happens, its over. you get yourself a young new thing that might or might not be The One, you dont know. but you know the old one aint worth it anymore so this is at least something that could, maybe, be better.
todd comparing football and women.....like he knows anything about either.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
todd comparing football and women.....like he knows anything about either.
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Regardless of how you feel about McNabb, trading him to the taterskins was at least 93% fargtarded. The Eagles could barely beat them when they had McNabb; guaranteed the Eagles drop both games to them this year.
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good night.
the big reason McNabb was disliked is he's black which the massive amounts of racist iceholes in philly and the burbs couldn't get over but he didn't speak ebonics which igy could not get over
the end
This Yahoo Sports piece is an early contender for the worst article on the McNabb trade. Congratulations to Jason Cole.
I'm not sure what exactly puts this one over the top: the "sources close to" McNabb and Reid making wild conjectures that wouldn't fool anyone actually on the Eagles beat, the asinine idea that Reid doesn't get to make the final call on his own QB, the ten times the author repeats that this trade "could" backfire, the embarassing factual mistake of botching McNabb's draft year, the implication that McNabb picked Washington over all other teams in the NFL and held fast until the Eagles relented, the retirement threat, hyping up Shanahan as a brilliant playcaller when it's actually his son who will be calling plays for the Skins...
No one else got these scoops cause they are fake as Shanahan's tan.
Jay is right. McNabb was never fully appreciated for what he was, the greatest QB in franchise history. he's been hated on since 2003 for not winning the SB, and that's all fine and good, but he's not even close to the #1 reason why they didn't. And it's a damn shame that no one in this fan base can realize what they just lost in the trade.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 06, 2010, 12:55:40 AM
This Yahoo Sports piece is an early contender for the worst article on the McNabb trade. Congratulations to Jason Cole.
No one else got these scoops cause they are fake as Shanahan's tan.
:-D :-D He and Pat Bowlen work on their tans about as hard as The Situation and Pauly.
Did Jay or Munson ghost-write this for ESPN?
QuoteBut McNabb, who was booed by Eagles fans on draft day, was often criticized by the Philadelphia media and Eagles fans for his lack of Super Bowl appearances despite often playing with a subpar supporting cast.
The entire premise of the article that inspired this thread is preposterous.
Reid just got a three year extension from Lurie. He still holds all the cards and this trade would not have happened if he didn't support it 100%. Suggesting otherwise is patently ludicrous.
And LMAO at all the "L'll Donny was never appreciated" nonsense. He was appreciated when he won and he was crushed when he lost... just like every other pro athlete.
There is a difference between saying 'it was time' and then reading the garbage some of you are spewing.
Yes, it was time. I agree. I never said I didn't. But the problem here is the dogpiling of nonsense on McNabb now. Saying how bad he was over all of the years, giving ZERO appreciation (mds and others) for what he accomplished here. Yes, he had his flaws and they were exaggerated greatly by a coach and GM who didn't do what he should to get the most out of the guy.
But to discredit everything he did here is completely different from saying "it was time to move on".
Well, MDS has always been the voice of reason in the past, so yes, his trashing of McNabb is completely out of character.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 06, 2010, 08:42:13 AM
There is a difference between saying 'it was time' and then reading the garbage some of you are spewing.
Yes, it was time. I agree. I never said I didn't. But the problem here is the dogpiling of nonsense on McNabb now. Saying how bad he was over all of the years, giving ZERO appreciation (mds and others) for what he accomplished here. Yes, he had his flaws and they were exaggerated greatly by a coach and GM who didn't do what he should to get the most out of the guy.
But to discredit everything he did here is completely different from saying "it was time to move on".
I think most people agree with this, I would included myself in that group. I understand why McNabb gets killed and sometimes rightfully so, but some just never have and never will like him.
except racists EVERYONE loved mcnabb from 1999 to january/feb 2005....i hate his farging guts now and i even used to love him
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 06, 2010, 12:49:58 AM
the big reason McNabb was disliked is he's black which the massive amounts of racist iceholes in philly and the burbs couldn't get over but he didn't speak ebonics which igy could not get over
the end
no
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/McNabb_I_would_have_gone_to_Oakland.html
I read today that Shefter was saying that there's rumors that the Eagles took the taterskins deal because they preferred them to have Donovan for a few years versus Bradford for a decade...
Interesting theory. Not sure if I buy it or if I trust the Eagles FO to have that kind of forward thinking, but interesting nonetheless.
That's crazy talk.
Everyone knows they already have their shoo-in Hall of Fame quarterback of the future:
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2010, 10:01:59 PM
I read today that Shefter was saying that there's rumors that the Eagles took the taterskins deal because they preferred them to have Donovan for a few years versus Bradford for a decade...
Interesting theory. Not sure if I buy it or if I trust the Eagles FO to have that kind of forward thinking, but interesting nonetheless.
why would the Eagles be scared of a qb that hasnt played a lick of nfl ball? doesnt make sense. you now have a guy in mcnabb you have to worry about winning games against for the next 3-4 years--take care of that business first would be the smart thing.
and not saying bradford doesnt have a higher chance of being good based off his skill set, but he also has a good shot of being bum like many 1st rd qb busts.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Deion_McNabb_deal_dumbest_trade_ever.html
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 08, 2010, 11:46:49 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Deion_McNabb_deal_dumbest_trade_ever.html
Deion can't analyze the NFL for shtein, but he's an expert on dumb so his viewpoint cannot be ignored this time.
yeah shteins getting deseprate for pg when she starts posting deion takes
can you even fathom the number of ::) if someone on this board posted a deion quote on anything
Deon is an idiot.
QuoteOne Andy Reid sidenote to all this. For the first time in years, he'll be able to play the whole "nobody thinks we're any good" angle. Almost every season during the McNabb/Reid era, the Eagles have been a popular or trendy pick to make noise in the NFC.
that made me laugh.
IGY, get over yourself. I just posted it because it was hilarious.
I'm not using Deion or Warren farging Sapp to prove anything.