L Coles just released from the Bungals
Im thinking they make a push for Boldin
or t.o.
Or Matt Jones.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
or t.o.
ha...I saw that in rumorville somewhere. 2 declining egomaniacs thinking they are better than they are would be a train wreck and so worth seeing.
carson palmer would just shoot himself and save the stress
Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
Or Matt Jones.
bengals already signed him didnt they ?
Yes they signed him. I was being facetious.
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
or t.o.
ha...I saw that in rumorville somewhere. 2 declining egomaniacs thinking they are better than they are would be a train wreck and so worth seeing.
yeah, the rumor i head a few days ago is that ochocinco is supposedly calling for the bengals to sign him.
Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2010, 04:16:43 PM
Yes they signed him. I was being facetious.
facetious about what? youre at rock bottom right now
Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2010, 04:16:43 PM
Yes they signed him. I was being facetious.
i think you spelled stupid wrong
holy farg that made me laugh...sorry.... no hippos
Lito cut
as was mostly expected antrelle rolle released...im sure the price will be to high but he automatically vaults to number one on my wants list
and none of the players are good but the taterskins cut a ton of names
betts
cartwright
randel el
randy thomas
cornelius griffin
and chris samuels retired
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 06:32:01 PM
as was mostly expected antrelle rolle released...im sure the price will be to high but he automatically vaults to number one on my wants list
and none of the players are good but the taterskins cut a ton of names
betts
cartwright
randel el
randy thomas
cornelius griffin
and chris samuels retired
Rolle should be the Eagles top priority.
Charles Grant will be released tomorrow. Any interest?
looking like Tomahawks boy Raheem Brock will be let go very soon as well
Glazer says Delhomme will be released
and it looks like Chicago is on Rolle already
cromartie to the jets--chargers will receive a conditional 2011 third-round pick.
Dunta to the ATL
One thing I'm 100% sure of is that the taterskins will NOT get Peppers.
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Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2010, 11:21:20 PM
One thing I'm 100% sure of is that the taterskins will NOT get Peppers.
I'm not so sure about that at all. hope I'm wrong.
Peppers visiting Bears
Dansby visiting Dolphins
Rolle visiting Giants
Chester Taylor visiting Bears
Vanden Bosch meeting with Lions
Kampman supposedly has interest from Seattle, but no visit yet.
Eagles meeting with Weaver.
Peppers agent said it's now the Bears deal to lose
QuotePhilly is Peppers' fallback
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2010 1:28 AM ET
Agent Carl Carey says that inking defensive end Julius Peppers is Chicago's "deal to lose."
So what if they lose?
Carey told Steve Reed of the Gaston Gazette that, if things don't work out in Chicago, Peppers will visit with the Eagles.
It's looking less likely by the minute that Peppers will leave Chicago as anything but a member of the Bears. Carey told Reed that the Bears have "extended an impressive contract offer."
"Chicago will be our first visit and we don't want them looking over their shoulder worrying about other teams right now," Carey said. "They were the first to call and they've made us a ballpark offer and it's good enough to where we'll make a visit. Pending the outcome of that visit we may visit with Philadelphia and see where we are from there."
So he doesn't want the Bears to look over their shoulders but there the Eagles are, over the Bears' shoulders.
Yep. Tom Hagen.
sounds like if the Eagles bothered to pick up the phone first Peppers might be an Eagle
i actually dont want peppers...hes to old for that kind of money...if the eagles were a DE away id say go all out...but they are in big time retool mode that could venture into rebuild territory when cobb takes over
Rolle wants comparable money to Peppers. At least he's younger. But again, in big time retool mode....
I cant believe Antonio Cromartie was traded to the Jets for a 3rd rounder. I'd rather have him than Rolle
well Ryan Clark from the Steelers just hit the open market now. I would look hard into that. He'll be right behind Rolle as one of the top free agent safeties, but would be worth the coin as a solid vet back there. then draft your safety
solid hitter and good nose for the ball...of course you dont have the luxury of playing with Troy Polamalu every sunday
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 07:08:15 AM
i actually dont want peppers...hes to old for that kind of money...if the eagles were a DE away id say go all out...but they are in big time retool mode that could venture into rebuild territory when cobb takes over
To me, the money part doesn't matter, it's not my $ and it is officially an uncapped year.
ESPN insider rumors saying Giants want Rolle?
Nate Burleson to the Lions for 5/$25M. How does this guy keep getting paid?
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 07:08:15 AM
i actually dont want peppers...hes to old for that kind of money...if the eagles were a DE away id say go all out...but they are in big time retool mode that could venture into rebuild territory when cobb takes over
To me, the money part doesn't matter, it's not my $ and it is officially an uncapped year.
the cap even when in place was a joke anyway it pretty much didnt stop anyone from signing a player if they really wanted...to me the more important money factor is that lurie doesnt have bottomless pockets
so it matters if it prevents the eagles from doing more important things that will help them win down the road when they truly are ready
and its more about age than money to me...altho in this case i have a sinking feeling that it could be a lethal combo
all meaningless tho as i cant see him getting out of chicago
wow i didn't even hear that the jets cut lito yesterday.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 05, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
Yeah, and Kenny Phillips has a lot of promise but it's possible his career may be over.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 07:08:15 AM
i actually dont want peppers...hes to old for that kind of money...if the eagles were a DE away id say go all out...but they are in big time retool mode that could venture into rebuild territory when cobb takes over
To me, the money part doesn't matter, it's not my $ and it is officially an uncapped year.
the cap even when in place was a joke anyway it pretty much didnt stop anyone from signing a player if they really wanted...
for real? True there are ways to shuffle some things around but that has it's limit, but to say there aren't teams which don't pass on a coveted player because of the cap isn't true.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 05, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
Yeah, and Kenny Phillips has a lot of promise but it's possible his career may be over.
I dont know where you heard that, but that couldnt be further from the truth. If the season started tomorrow, Phillips would be on the field.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 07:08:15 AM
i actually dont want peppers...hes to old for that kind of money...if the eagles were a DE away id say go all out...but they are in big time retool mode that could venture into rebuild territory when cobb takes over
To me, the money part doesn't matter, it's not my $ and it is officially an uncapped year.
the cap even when in place was a joke anyway it pretty much didnt stop anyone from signing a player if they really wanted...
for real? True there are ways to shuffle some things around but that has it's limit, but to say there aren't teams which don't pass on a coveted player because of the cap isn't true.
teams use the cap as a reason for not spending money or to get rid of players...but im not entirely certain the cap has ever prevented a team from signing someone...taterskins are the perfect example of this...for 15 straight years the cap was going to implode them...we are all still waiting
Yeah your right the cap really is a joke. Its weird I must be coming to this board too much I find myself agreeing with IGY more and more. That or I am just getting older.
Uh, we're not waiting. It has completely happened. Over the past 5+ years the taterskins have had thin talent up front and absolutely no depth, culminating in a 4-12 season. They've won one playoff game in the last decade plus and are now purging a ton of their roster.
You've been pushing this idea that the cap has not affected the taterskins for years, but despite the fact that they sign whoever they want, they have had no depth and an embarrassing win-loss record over that time. The salary cap has absolutely impacted the taterskins, it just hasn't kept them from signing free agents to lucrative contracts.
they have no depth because they traded away all their draft picks...not because of the cap
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
they have no depth because they traded away all their draft picks...
Meaning that they didn't have to pay any of their draft picks, especially the high draft picks, which they wouldn't have been able to because they were constantly right up against the cap.
Signing free agents to huge contracts and trading away draft picks for older more expensive players is behavior that is punished by design under the cap system and the taterskins proved that out beautifully.
Vanden Bosch to the Lions.
They've spent $51mil today on Burleson and VandenBosch. Major LOL.
Schefter says Peppers will sign with Chicago today unless there's a major breakdown
Pretty sure its gonna be announced in the next 2 hours..
Good
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 05, 2010, 11:27:59 AM
They've spent $51mil today on Burleson and VandenBosch. Major LOL.
$21 million--those players wont see close to that
regardless, they still overpaid the guarantees just to get people back in the seats
If a QB selected #1 overall didn't put asses in seats, Im pretty sure signing those 2 guys wont.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
Nate Burleson to the Lions for 5/$25M. How does this guy keep getting paid?
I always asked myself the same question about Michael Clayton on the Bucs--somehow these guys keep getting paid
Vanden Bosch is understandable, but Nate Burleson? Really? That dude hasn't been a factor since he was with the Vikings.
actually when i think about it its the opposite
vandenbosch is junk without haynesworth in the rotation, hasnt done shtein in 2 years, and will be 32 in nov
burleson was one of the tops in the league in receptions the first 8 games or so last year then collapsed as usual with injuries. if he can stay healthy, then it could be worth it opposite calvin johnson...but thats a big IF and that right there is not worth the 11 million guaranteed
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 05, 2010, 11:41:22 AM
If a QB selected #1 overall...
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
if he can stay healthy, then it could be worth it opposite calvin johnson...
Not happening with Stafford at the helm.
I dont know...staffords going to get better, another year in the system, decent run game, 2 outside threats...could be ok from a putting a points perspective
but the defense is atrocious and will still give up 30/game
Kind of off topic, but that Lions/Browns game was the game of the year.
Gibril Wilson just cut...I have a funny feeling he'll be here on a 1 year deal come May.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 05, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
they have no depth because they traded away all their draft picks...
Meaning that they didn't have to pay any of their draft picks, especially the high draft picks, which they wouldn't have been able to because they were constantly right up against the cap.
Signing free agents to huge contracts and trading away draft picks for older more expensive players is behavior that is punished by design under the cap system and the taterskins proved that out beautifully.
they didnt get punished by the cap because they continued to spend whatever they wanted when they wanted...they got punished by their own incompetance...does the cap literally have no effect on what teams can do...of course not...it would exist if it did...like a single team couldnt sign the top 8 free agents in a particular year but it also doesnt stop any one team from signing the top free agent in a particular year
and draft picks have their own rookie pay pool...the cap doesnt affect them
I'm pretty sure the rookie pool is counted towards the cap.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 05, 2010, 12:18:07 PM
I'm pretty sure the rookie pool is counted towards the cap.
it does which is why the rookie salaries are a big deal that is going to be worked on in the next cba.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 05, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
Yeah, and Kenny Phillips has a lot of promise but it's possible his career may be over.
I dont know where you heard that, but that couldnt be further from the truth. If the season started tomorrow, Phillips would be on the field.
He has arthritis in his knee and had microfracture surgery after missing almost all of last season. He can only jog in a pool now but not on land.
A good buddy of mine in NY is a life long NYG fan and, despite his handicap, has a pretty decent feel for the team. Last we talked a couple of weeks ago he said everyone is hopeful Phillips can return but behind the scenes there are doubts (which is often the case with microfracture surgery anyway), and it's a reason the Giants are interested in Rolle. Jerry Reese has said they think Phillips will be back but they are proceeding as if he won't.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 12:16:22 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
they have no depth because they traded away all their draft picks...
Meaning that they didn't have to pay any of their draft picks, especially the high draft picks, which they wouldn't have been able to because they were constantly right up against the cap.
Signing free agents to huge contracts and trading away draft picks for older more expensive players is behavior that is punished by design under the cap system and the taterskins proved that out beautifully.
they didnt get punished by the cap because they continued to spend whatever they wanted when they wanted...they got punished by their own incompetance...does the cap literally have no effect on what teams can do...of course not...it would exist if it did...like a single team couldnt sign the top 8 free agents in a particular year but it also doesnt stop any one team from signing the top free agent in a particular year
and draft picks have their own rookie pay pool...the cap doesnt affect them
Actually, washington did hurt themselves quite a bit with their cap management. They've had to cut several valuable players to get under the cap, particularly in '06 just before the new CBA extension. If the league didn't at that point significantly raise the cap washington would have really been screwed but they kind of lucked out.
its a pool of money within the overall cap...but its reserved for rookies...you cant pull money out of it to sign leonard weaver
not sure how the skins have had any real issues with the signing of rookies considering how many top picks they kept giving away.
I just think its hilarious that IGY is completely discounting the role that the salary cap has played in the fall of the taterskins. They tried to beat the system by monkeying with numbers and signing names and eschewing youth but only had so much money and wiggle room with which to do it, so when the inevitable injuries occurred and they were constantly right up against the cap with no depth, they had nothing that they could do but repeatedly fail.
The rookie pool, whether I was right or wrong in my original assessment of its impact on the Skins, is largely irrelevant to my argument. The way they went about business, trades, free agents, draft, all of it put them right up against the cap and that led to the team's ruin.
iggy can say the sky is pruple all day, doesn't mean he's right.
there zero debate on how the mishandling of the cap is a big part of the skins downfall. zero.
trust me i follow the skins almost as much as the eagles and it played a minimal role if any at all
their biggest problem was having no real GM...not the cap
in fact i cant think of a single player the skins really wanted and didnt get because of money...on the flip side i cant think of any good players they lost because of money...its a non factor
antonio pierce i guess?
never said the cap was the only issue, just said it is a part of the issue. spending cap money stupidly is a "cap" issue.
which does lead directly to your point about the lack of a real gm.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
trust me i follow the skins almost as much as the eagles
Trust me, we know.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 05, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
Yeah, and Kenny Phillips has a lot of promise but it's possible his career may be over.
I dont know where you heard that, but that couldnt be further from the truth. If the season started tomorrow, Phillips would be on the field.
He has arthritis in his knee and had microfracture surgery after missing almost all of last season. He can only jog in a pool now but not on land.
A good buddy of mine in NY is a life long NYG fan...
A good buddy of mine works for the Giants. I'm trusting my buddy over yours.
Chester Taylor reaches agreement with Bears on a four-year, $12.5 million deal that includes $7 million gtd in year one.
That's a good signing for them and a big loss for the Vikes.
best fantasy handcuff in the league the past 2 years and never started once
Corey Williams was traded by the Browns to the Lions for a 7th round pick.
look out...the lions d-line a force to be reckon with!
williams, vanden bosch and mccoy/suh with the 2nd pick
bears are making some moves. now if they can just convince culter that INT does not stand for incredibly narly touchdown they're in business.
Except that would be IGT
so are we getting the slow white guy at de or what ?
and the worst acronym ever
its cutler we're talking about here, you know that's how he talks.
I can probably find the answer in a different thread, but whats with the name change??
Quote from: smeags on March 05, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
its cutler we're talking about here, you know that's how he talks.
I'm surprised he can talk. He looks like he's had his jaw removed and all that's left is his stupid dopey neckchin.
i have used it elsewhere for years. plus it goes with my flyass avatar.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 05, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 05, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
its cutler we're talking about here, you know that's how he talks.
I'm surprised he can talk. He looks like he's had his jaw removed and all that's left is his stupid dopey neckchin.
Maybe Roger Ebert was his dad.
brandon marshall expected to be in Seattle tomorrow to get a deal done
if broncos dont match they get the 14th pick in the first rd as compensatory pick
be a decent combo with housh
If only they had someone to throw the ball.
I think hasselback could do well with those two if hes not throwing the ball from his ass
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Quote from: smeags on March 05, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
its cutler we're talking about here, you know that's how he talks.
I'm surprised he can talk. He looks like he's had his jaw removed and all that's left is his stupid dopey neckchin.
Whenever I see Cutler mentioned, I immediately scroll down as fast as possible to find the inevitable RJS neckchin comment.
Neckbeard = loved and revered, neckchin = loathed and reviled.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
I think hasselback could do well with those two if hes not throwing the ball from his ass
Hasselback is done. Dude's got serious back issues.
What can I say? There's nothing I hate more than a flappy french chin.
ESPN -
The Bears and Julius Peppers finalized a six-year deal to bring the top free agent in 2010 to Chicago, according to a source. Peppers was looking for at least $12 million a year in the early part of the contract and agreement could be worth $40 million over the first three years. The 6-foot-7, 283-pound Peppers is a five-time Pro Bowler who recorded 10.5 sacks with two interceptions and five forced fumbles last season.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
brandon marshall expected to be in Seattle tomorrow to get a deal done
if broncos dont match they get the 14th pick in the first rd as compensatory pick
brandon marshall talent = #1 pick in the draft worthy.
brandon marshall attitude = sarsaids
Would Denver get their pick back from Seattle or would they get #6 overall?
Shouldn't WE be asking YOU, ed?
everybodys favorite qb aj feeley signs with St. Louis--2yr deal 6 million
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
Would Denver get their pick back from Seattle or would they get #6 overall?
Yup, that is what Shefter is reporting.
nm
Browns signed KR Josh Cribbs to a new three-year, $20 million contract, including $7.5 million guaranteed
Boldin and 5th rd'er to the Ravens---3 yr 25 million extension, leaves him with 4yr 28 million left/ 10 mill gtd
Cards get a 3rd and 4th rd'er
Dolphins signed ILB Karlos Dansby to a five-year, $43 million contract, $22 million guaranteed--farg faces
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 05, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
because he has a cool mustache. Rolle to the Gints makes sense, based on how farged their secondary was last year
Yeah, and Kenny Phillips has a lot of promise but it's possible his career may be over.
I dont know where you heard that, but that couldnt be further from the truth. If the season started tomorrow, Phillips would be on the field.
He has arthritis in his knee and had microfracture surgery after missing almost all of last season. He can only jog in a pool now but not on land.
A good buddy of mine in NY is a life long NYG fan...
A good buddy of mine works for the Giants. I'm trusting my buddy over yours.
i
If your buddy says Phillips could go out and play tomorrow, most others would disagree, including Kenny Phillips, who also has some good inside information.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giant_eyes_may_return_1MqcQd0qHzTsTVZMnfyp0N
QuotePhillips says he's at the halfway point in his rehab. He spends his time walking forward and backward on a treadmill. He's hopeful that after his next MRI he'll be ready to begin running in late March.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/2/28/1329744/jerry-reese-drops-some-knowledge
QuoteJerry Reese drops some knowledge about the Giants' plan for 2010
Bigblueview_tiny by Ed Valentine on Feb 28, 2010 7:00 AM EST in News
New York Giants General Manager Jerry Reese spoke to the media Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine. Mike Garafolo has a pair of reports on Reese's remarks.
Here are the five biggest things I learned.
... 5. Reese is planning to proceed through the off-season as though Kenny Phillips cannot be counted on in 2010.
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Barely a day after being cut by the Cardinals, Rolle has agreed to terms with the Giants.
Per a league source, it's a five-year deal worth $37 million, an NFL record for a safety. Rolle gets $15 million guaranteed and $22.5 million over the first three years
GOLD STANDARD
Going into an uncapped year my worst fear has struck, this team has no money
Im not getting into a pissing match over who has a better lead.
Kenny Phillips will be on the field opening day 2010.
I wouldn't argue against the possibility of him being ready by Sept.
Fred Robbins is leaving the Giants to reunite with Spags in St. Louis
Scott Fujita (NO) and Tony Pashos (SF) signed with the Browns
David Carr returns to Cali, signing with the Niners
Bills Sign OT Cornell Green To A 3-Year, $9M Deal
Chiefs Re-Sign WR Chris Chambers To A 3-Year, $15M Contract
Steelers Sign WR Arnaz Battle To A 3-Year Deal
Randle El back in the black and gold--3 year deal
They also signed Will Allen and re-signed Ryan Clark
Oakland dumped Javon Walker and Greg Ellis
Cleveland traded for Seneca Wallace
Bengals Re-Sign DT Tank Johnson To A Four-Year Deal
Saints Re-Sign CB Leigh Torrence To A 1-Year Deal
Vikings Sign PK Rhys Lloyd To A Two-Year Deal
Fujita would have been a nice addition to the Birds.
Quote from: Rome on March 09, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
Fujita would have been a nice addition to the Birds.
The linebackers are fine. Nothing to see here.
ha - nothing is right.
putrid.
Cleveland dumped Derek Anderson
and derek anderson took a dump on them--payback.
Thomas Jones to the Chiefs....2/$5M
If the Chief had any semblance of an offensive line they might be in danger of scoring points this year.
Chicago released Kevin Jones
Witherspoon is going to sign with the Titans. I am fairly sure the Bird's FO thought, "Ha, this clown will come groveling back to us once he sees what the market bears him." Now they have pretty much zero plan for the LB group, and that's a fact, Jack.
Witherspoon....3-year, $11 million deal that includes $5 million gtd.
The Eagles are farging jerkoffs.
The disregard towards the LB position is offensive.
farg you Howie, Joe and Andy.
Quote from: reese125 on March 09, 2010, 10:30:04 PM
Witherspoon....3-year, $11 million deal that includes $5 million gtd.
Totally, entirely reasonable for his skill set and age, and the Birds probably would have gotten a little current team discount. Big bonus comes in the uncapped year, so teams with deep pockets won't even notice it.
Incrediblly reasonable, even if he eventually got pushed out of the starting spot by youunger talent. I am pretty dissapointed in this, I can't believe that they think what happened last year with the LB's, and looks like a lock to repeat this year, is an acceptable situation.
the linebacker position has been ignored or failed at since the beginning of time....in years that actually mattered...and now everyone is up in arms over will farging witherspoon...i dont get it
if anything maybe its a sign that they go with a linebacker in rounds 1 or 2 this year...and if it does im thrilled with letting him go
i dont have too much of an issue with letting witherspoon go. assuming they would draft LB in the early rounds is a reach to say the least but let's just say they do considiering they may get extra picks via trades. who should they go after ?
Mike Labinjo.
oh that would be thuper.
Why is everyone so worked up over losing Will farging Witherspoon, he had one really good game, and then all but disappeared for the last 2 months of the season?
Is that a rhetorical question?
Look at the other LBs on the roster.
Now tell me: would Witherspoon improve that group?
If you say "no," then we don't have much to talk about.
so what did you want witherspoon to do ...have 7 int's? The guy did well for coming in half of the season, was always around the football and made solid tackles. more than I can say for the rest of the dolts manning the middle
like I mentioned before the guy was exposed in a a lot of situations because of the lack of communication on the field...so spoon became part of the problem. he wasnt burnt left and right, and if he did get burnt he was most likely forced to be lined up with a receiver. The guy was not worth $5 million dollars because the rest of scrub LB's on the team are not worth $5 million. easy decision for banner and reid
Quote from: reese125 on March 10, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
so what did you want witherspoon to do ...have 7 int's? The guy did well for coming in half of the season, was always around the football and made solid tackles. more than I can say for the rest of the dolts manning the middle
He was always around the football? Do you speak fluent cliche? Of course "he was always around the football". He played linebacker and they ran right at him.
The entire defense was terrible, again, why cry about will witherspoon? Jordan is better anyway and will presumably take that spot back from the almighty Witherspoon with the return of Bradley.
and you think jordan is someone worth mentioning ? he stinks too.
There's not a single player on that defense worth typing more than a sentence over. Fact.
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Quote from: reese125 on March 10, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
so what did you want witherspoon to do ...have 7 int's? The guy did well for coming in half of the season, was always around the football and made solid tackles. more than I can say for the rest of the dolts manning the middle
He was always around the football? Do you speak fluent cliche? Of course "he was always around the football". He played linebacker and they ran right at him.
The entire defense was terrible, again, why cry about will witherspoon? Jordan is better anyway and will presumably take that spot back from the almighty Witherspoon with the return of Bradley.
you know how many scrub LB's get taken out of plays and arent even remotely close to the football? dont answer that.
listen, Im not even torn over this because Im used to it--as I know there are LB's that are better than witherspoon. its just the basic principle and philosophy that the eagles organization has with picking and plugging 7th rd players and expecting superb results because their defensive scheme is all world that drives me nuts.
High motor!
Quote from: reese125 on March 10, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
so what did you want witherspoon to do ...have 7 int's? The guy did well for coming in half of the season, was always around the football and made solid tackles. more than I can say for the rest of the dolts manning the middle
hes not a middle linebacker
i dont remember him making any tackles
only getting trucked on the regular
he wasnt good enough to play for the rams
dont cry over him not playing here
Quote from: smeags on March 10, 2010, 08:20:54 AM
i dont have too much of an issue with letting witherspoon go. assuming they would draft LB in the early rounds is a reach to say the least but let's just say they do considiering they may get extra picks via trades. who should they go after ?
i dont think its really of question of a specific player to replace him...what im saying is he is old not cheap and has no real future with the team...he isnt the kind of player im interested in right now...i know the eagles are not the rams but imo they are in the same kind of boat right now...the eagles should be making moves with their veterans like the rams did with witherspoon..get rid of the slew of average crap they have on the roster and replace them with a future
but if you wanna get into specifics i absolutely love dekoda watsons upside...and he absolutely murders the look test
is Charlie StillupFront?
I just figured it all out. They dumped Witherspoon because they are going draft another guy with the same last name to play the vacated spot.
(http://livewire.missouri.edu/2008/12/17/weatherspoon.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2010, 11:16:37 AM
i dont think its really of question of a specific player to replace him...what im saying is he is old not cheap and has no real future with the team...he isnt the kind of player im interested in right now...i know the eagles are not the rams but imo they are in the same kind of boat right now...the eagles should be making moves with their veterans like the rams did with witherspoon..get rid of the slew of average crap they have on the roster and replace them with a future
but if you wanna get into specifics i absolutely love dekoda watsons upside...and he absolutely murders the look test
yeah, we have already established what you think of witherspoon and considering he's gone it makes zero sense to keep discussing him as it's obvious the eagles are getting rid of older high priced players and he is one a couple that they have already moved or released.
my question was who "should" they go for in the draft. again, i will believe they will draft LB early if it happens but that's what should be discussed at this point.
Quote from: smeags on March 10, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
he's gone it makes zero sense to keep discussing him
just to be clear once a player leaves no one should ever talk about them again?...not only is that retarded and completely unrealistic but you might wanna run it by easy first
Quote from: smeags on March 10, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
my question was who "should" they go for in the draft. again, i will believe they will draft LB early if it happens but that's what should be discussed at this point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2010, 11:16:37 AM
if you wanna get into specifics i absolutely love dekoda watsons upside...and he absolutely murders the look test
mention again ? yes. beat it like a dead horse until you have alpo like you seem to do ? no.
and yes, i saw your response on who you'd like them to go after in the draft, i was repeating the question for others out there if that's ok with you.
QuoteThe fans are ruthless and don't deserve a winner," Anderson wrote Tuesday in a terse e-mail when asked for a reaction to being released. "I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured.
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/09/sports/nh2211391.txt (http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/09/sports/nh2211391.txt)
well now. seems like the anderson/browns divorse isn't going to end nicely.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2010, 11:16:37 AM
if you wanna get into specifics i absolutely love dekoda watsons upside...and he absolutely murders the look test
Take him, let him play, two months later we'll be complaining how he's too small and gets taken out of the play easily, just like everyone else we hate on. Are you serious?
Quote from: Dillen on March 10, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2010, 11:16:37 AM
if you wanna get into specifics i absolutely love dekoda watsons upside...and he absolutely murders the look test
Take him, let him play, two months later we'll be complaining how he's too small and gets taken out of the play easily, just like everyone else we hate on. Are you serious?
nfl has been moving towards small quick sideline to sideline linebackers for a decade now...hes not small for todays game....i rarely complain about the size of their linebackers but rather the complete lack of talent...mlb is the only place that size is of a real concern these days...and hell jon beason is an excellent mlb who is smaller than watson...i mean i dont want a strong side guy who is six foot 210 but you get the idea
watson may not ever end up being a player in the league but size wont be an issue
i put up a couple of links up in the eagles offseason thread on the linebacker prospects.
Antonio Bryant agrees to four-year deal with Cincinnati Bengals
great fit...ha
QuoteIf the decision of the Bengals to sign receiver Antonio Bryant to a four-year, $28 million left any doubt regarding the potential pursuit of T.O., there should now be none.
Owens made it clear on his Twitter page that he won't be a Bengal.
"I'm en route back to LA imagining what we could have done together," Owens says in a message directed at receiver Chad Ochocinco.
I guess the Bengals need to flush before anymore turds will fit in that toilet.
Ravens Re-Sign WR Derrick Mason To A Two-Year, $8M Deal
Chiefs Sign WR Jerheme Urban
Patriots Re-Sign RB Kevin Faulk To A 1 Year Contract
Cardinals Re-Sign Exclusive Free Agent DE Jeremy Clark
Rams Re-Sign TE Daniel Fells To A One-Year, $1.5M Deal
Cardinals Re-Sign TE Stephen Spach To A 1 Year Contract
Texans Sign Free Agent OG/C Wade Smith To A 4 Year Contract
Bears Sign Free Agent FB Eddie Williams To A 1 Year Contract
Chiefs Sign DT Shaun Smith To A One-Year Deal
Bengals Re-Sign TE Daniel Coats
LT is visiting the Vikings
LB's Joey Porter And Larry Foote Visiting Cardinals
ESPN is reporting that free agent Terrell Owens is drawing interest from the Raiders
bwhaha!
inevitable
I would feel comforted for a minute if TO ends up in Oakland: so maybe the world isn't total chaos. You can always count on the Raiders.
Cleveland signed Jake Delhomme.
If I was a Browns fan I'd seriously consider suicide.
I'd rather see TO in Cleveland with Delhomme. That would be awesome.
I'd love to see TO in D.C. Although Shanahan probably wants nothing to do with him.
Brady Quinn traded to Denver for Peyton Hillis and picks.
Browns trade Kamerion Wimbley to the Raiders
9ers trade their only good QB, Shaun Hill, to the Lions and only get a 7th rounder in return.
LT picks the Jets.
Tomlinson to the Jets 2 year deal.
Brady Quinn, Denver Bronco?
WTF??
Raiders have acquired LB Kamerion Wimbley for a 3rd rd pick via a trade with the Cleveland Browns.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on March 14, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
Brady Quinn traded to Denver for Peyton Hillis and picks.
Browns trade Kamerion Wimbley to the Raiders
9ers trade their only good QB, Shaun Hill, to the Lions and only get a 7th rounder in return.
LT picks the Jets.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 14, 2010, 06:18:42 PM
Tomlinson to the Jets 2 year deal.
Quote from: Rome on March 14, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
Brady Quinn, Denver Bronco?
WTF??
Quote from: reese125 on March 14, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Raiders have acquired LB Kamerion Wimbley for a 3rd rd pick via a trade with the Cleveland Browns.
reading ftw
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 14, 2010, 06:18:42 PM
Tomlinson to the Jets 2 year deal.
for a little more than what Thomas Jones signed for
Im not really sure why they didnt just pay the 5.8 million to Jones. No reason you cant have both Greene and Jones rotating with Washington coming in on 3rd downs--who is still an unknown at this point
at least with Jones you what he'll give you if an injury happens to Greene, Tomlinson forget about it
i know brady quinn is still a huge unknown at this point, but does anyone else think that heckert practically gave him away for nothing? obviously you can't get return value by way of a first round pick for him but i would have thought that a 4th or possibly even a 3rd would have been attainable.
Yep. His value dropped based on the poor outings, as Im sure (well...not really) Heckert was trying to get more but couldnt. Just giving up a 6th in 2011 and a conditional late-round pick in 2012 is great for Denver...especially if this guy starts... which I think he does at some point next year.
yeah, i think it was a great trade for denver and if quinn develops into even just a servicable starting quarterback then browns fans should start pelting heckert with beer bottles.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on March 14, 2010, 11:47:33 PM
reading ftw
I just realized that ftw means 'for the win'. I thought it meant 'farg the world' for like the last 2 years. I think I like it my way better.
could also be a very angry dyslexic
Quote from: methdeez on March 17, 2010, 02:37:54 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on March 14, 2010, 11:47:33 PM
reading ftw
I just realized that ftw means 'for the win'. I thought it meant 'farg the world' for like the last 2 years. I think I like it my way better.
the you must of really been banging your head against a brick for FTL
Do teams take future cap hits for this un-capped season?
I heard some NFL insider guy say it might affect the teams down the line.
If there is no penalty...then they teams should be cutting bait left and right and dumping guys, even more than they already do. I.E. Andrews etc with no penalty.
Quote from: RezRob on March 17, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Do teams take future cap hits for this un-capped season?
I heard some NFL insider guy say it might affect the teams down the line.
If there is no penalty...then they teams should be cutting bait left and right and dumping guys, even more than they already do. I.E. Andrews etc with no penalty.
from my understanding no cap thus no penalty...anyone who goes this year is erased completely from this years and any future years books
Remaining bonus money spread over multiple seasons still has to be paid in full this year, so they don't completely disappear budget-wise, but unlike years past, you don't have to worry about it eating up cap space that could be used towards a roster spot...
Seattle gets Charlie Whitehurst from San Diego for a swap of 2nds this year and a 3rd next year
the Chargers front office is doing keg stands right now with that deal they just got for him
Seriously. Who the farg is charlie whitehurst and who the farg cares what the answer to that first question is?
dont question easy you hairy drunk
If they're dropping 20 spots in the 2nd and giving up a 3rd, they think he's Hasselbeck's replacement at a cheaper price than what they would've had to give up for Kolb. He was good at Clemson but had zero chance of seeing the field behind Rivers...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 17, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
If they're dropping 20 spots in the 2nd and giving up a 3rd, they think he's Hasselbeck's replacement at a cheaper price than what they would've had to give up for Kolb. He was good at Clemson but had zero chance of seeing the field behind Rivers...
nice edit....i was about to say wha??
dooks never attempted an nfl pass has he...and hasnt taken a nfl snap in four years
yep, he's no Schaub or Cassel. More like an AJ Feeley before he went to ish in Miami. I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted one too...
honestly his resume is not even close to what aj's was...aj had started and won numerous nfl games...this guy has never thrown a single nfl pass and hasnt been on the field in almost half a decade...im not sure if a qb acquisition like this has ever happened in the league and its baffling to me
is matt millen running the seahawks now ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 18, 2010, 07:06:51 AM
honestly his resume is not even close to what aj's was...aj had started and won a couple nfl games
wasnt he like 7-1 at the time of the trade
I don't think seven counts as numerous. Maybe ten, but not seven.
but seven is definitely more the a couple.
A few, but even that sounds more impressive than it actually is.
Quote from: smeags on March 18, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
but seven is definitely more the a couple.
its also a lot more than no nfl passes ever
yeah i dont see whitehurst being a kurt warner type that comes out of nowhere to light the league up.
Bengals LB Rashad Jeanty Signs His 1 Year Tender
DeMeco Ryans gets a 6-yr deal from Houston that could reach $48M
$7.5M SB
$21.3M guaranteed
$26.3M in the first 3 yrs
I've always heard of those things called, "Line Backers". Always thought they were a myth.
Quote from: hbionic on March 30, 2010, 06:02:59 PM
I've always heard of those things called, "Line Backers". Always thought they were a myth.
You only think that because of Donovan McNabb's terrible play. He's the reason why the LB's suck.
Chad Jackson is back in the NFL, signed with Buffalo
Bengals Re-Sign DE Frostee Rucker To A Two-Year, $3M Extension
Jay Feely to Arizona, so Rackers is done there...
Rob Sims (the Seahawks G that the Eagles were interested in) was traded to Detroit for a 5th-rd pick
Bulger was released.
Trade Vick!
Torry Holt to the Patriots
Jason Taylor signs with the Jets
Pittsburgh brought back Leftwich, giving TB a 7th