Why? Because their defense is laughable. Their offense is predictable once adjustments are made against them. Their inability/unwillingness to run the ball effectively during times when circumstances absolutely demand that they run it down the opposition's throat.
Same old same old.
That game tonight was a disgrace and it's too bad everyone on the field wearing green didn't stroke out including the cheerleaders.
And before all the Jim Jones devotees remind me that they won tonight... yeah, no shtein. They beat an 8-7 team that they had absolutely dominated up and down the field in the first half. So farging what? If you have designs on a Super Bowl win, you're supposed to dominate shtein teams like Denver. You're not supposed to allow them to breeze back into the game without so much as a care.
This team sucks and anyone placing any faith in them is a sucker.
The end.
OFFS. :-D
SNOWBALLS!
Season's over.
move on.
Akers is a karate man. So they have that at least.
KARATE MAN!
You can't be serious with your post....really? :sly
lol
alrighty then. lol
this farging guy.
yep, you must dominate or you win nothing. yep, all wild card teams dominate and never win the superbowl, yep my name is Rome and I hate life. You sound like MDS in the Sixer thread--repeating the same shtein over and over.
I know you were just kidding right? noose yourself loser.
lol it needs to be said you loser
lol @ reese. imagine if that walking aborted fetus was related to you. would you disown/incinerate it or would you accept it like munson's uncle accepts him?
Michael Irvin said the Eagles were playing the best football in the NFL right now. So there's that.
Bottom line this team has made plays when it needed to. Do they piss me off absolutely, but I am just going to enjoy the run while is lasts. They are going to the playoffs with no team that is clearly dominate in any conference.
Is there ANY team that doesn't have its flaws?
New Orleans is showing some of theirs the past 2 weeks. Who else is there in the conference that really matters? Arizona?
QuotePhil Sheridan: On winning drive, everything works
By Phil Sheridan
INQUIRER COLUMNIST
The makeover is happening right before our eyes.
Here were the Philadelphia Eagles in the kind of situation they've faced roughly 10,000 times during the Andy Reid/Donovan McNabb era. An easy win had become an uncomfortably close game, time was running low and momentum had been seized by the opponent.
In this case, it was the Denver Broncos who erased a 27-10 lead with three unanswered scores. The Eagles, who looked like the NFC's most playoff-ready in the first half, had fallen apart in the second. Their offense stopped running like a car with a hole in the oil pan.
You expected something bad to happen: an interception from McNabb, a crazy play call or head-scratching decision from Reid. You expected some kind of replay of all the memorable losses of the last decade.
But the genetic makeup of this team is being scrambled by the infusion of young blood. This team doesn't know its own history, so that history isn't a burden.
On third and 25 at his own 15, with the pocket collapsing, McNabb stepped up and looked for an open receiver. Then he just took off, picking up 27 desperate yards for a must-have first down.
"I knew somebody was behind me," McNabb said. "I just tried to get my knees up and get as much as I could."
That drive didn't lead to any points, but it helped flip the field. The Eagles, who seemed to be playing uphill from their own end during the second half, made it out to midfield before running into the next big moment.
Fourth and 1 at the Denver 49, three minutes left to play. The coach who went for fourth and 1 at his own 29 a week earlier must have been tempted.
"That was a tough one," Reid said. "I thought field position was crucial, expecially with three minutes left. It was a little bit over a yard to go. Midfield. I guess I wasn't feeling it. At that point, I thought we needed to change field position. We had terrible field position, our defense was playing well. Between our fans and our defense, we thought something good would happen."
Reid sent out the punt team. It was the right decision.
But so many right decisions can be made to look wrong by events. If the Eagles' defense allowed Denver to escape from inside its own 10 - even if the Broncos were only able to kill the clock and force overtime - Reid would have been second-guessed today.
But the defense made the stop. DeSean Jackson, who had a relatively quiet game, picked up 10 very important yards on the punt return. The Eagles took over at the Denver 42, picked up 2 yards on first down.
On second and 8, McNabb dropped back. He looked to his left and spotted rookie wide receiver Jeremy Maclin, who had cut off his "go" route because of the coverage and broke toward the sideline. McNabb threw for Maclin's back shoulder.
If your mind immediately flashed on that fourth-down pass to Kevin Curtis in the NFC championship game last year, well, you weren't alone. Especially when the official along the sideline immediately waved his arms, signifying an incomplete pass. Maclin jumped to his feet and sprinted toward Reid.
"I wanted him to challenge it," Maclin said. "I forgot it was under two minutes [when only officials can call for video review]. I knew I was inbounds."
He was right. The replay showed Maclin dragged his feet. Just as important, he caught the ball cleanly, no bobbling or juggling, and held on when he hit the ground. Referee Mike Carey reviewed the call and reversed it. The Eagles had the ball at the Denver 13. It was just a matter of running the clock down and letting David Akers make the short field goal.
This team has been in a bunch of these situations over the years. This team has seldom executed every aspect of the endgame as perfectly. The Eagles have now won three games with fourth-quarter drives during their six-game, run-to-the-playoffs win streak.
Granted, the makeover will not be officially complete until these Eagles do this to win a conference championship or a Super Bowl. But they are going to get another shot next month and this time, they're going into it with a different energy.
"This type of game is what the playoffs are all about," Jackson said. "It's not going to always be easy. There's going to be times we're down and we have to fight to get back up. There's going to be times we're up and teams fight back to get up on us. It's good. We were tested today and we were able to pull through."
A nice, easy win would have been easier on your digestion. But this really was better. It was one more chance for this team to overcome adversity, one more step toward completing the makeover.
I can't tell if Rome is serious or half in the bag...
shtein games happen.
But yes, the defense was ridiculous. Their love of the big hit and failure to wrap up is aggravating. As is their defense against screens and quick passes.
I think we can at least agree that Westbrook should be returning kickoffs instead of Macho.
QuoteThe replay showed Maclin dragged his feet. Just as important, he caught the ball cleanly, no bobbling or juggling, and held on when he hit the ground. Referee Mike Carey reviewed the call and reversed it. The Eagles had the ball at the Denver 13. It was just a matter of running the clock down and letting David Akers make the short field goal.
I think this was the play of the game. It's the difference in this team and teams past. They have some real playmakers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 27, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
Their love of the big hit and failure to wrap up is aggravating.
It's like at times they forget how to tackle. There were two missed tackles on Marshall's td. You ain't bringing that guy down without wrappin' him up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 27, 2009, 10:31:53 PM
Is there ANY team that doesn't have its flaws?
New Orleans is showing some of theirs the past 2 weeks. Who else is there in the conference that really matters? Arizona?
Flaws? FLAWS? That fat farg jackass is throwing 30 yd routes to protect a lead. Are you farging kidding me? He's goddamn lucky that Maclin saved his stupid farging ass by catching that ball at the end. It had no business being thrown. And Christ, if you go to the two drives before it, same thing. Everyone go deep. That worked fine when I was playing with other members of the marching band in high school. Not so much in the NFL.
This team will never win a SB with Reid as coach.
While I agree with Rome, I prefer to play my usual role of antagonist. (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1135_2009_Defensive_Hog_Index.html)
the eagles are so good at winning games and making you feel horrible about it...its been andys MO since day one and i doubt it ever changes
that second half was an embarrassment to football
at least gocong rarely sees the field anymore
everybody keeps talking about maclins catch as being the game saver.....mcnabbs decision to scramble on 3rd and 20 whatever was the more impressive play to keep the drive going imo
the fact is they won, not decisively... but this kind of shtein happens every year when 2 of the same caliber teams are battling it out come playoff time. there are other teams that are in the playoffs that have much bigger flaws than the eagles. this team is hot right now, and its exactly the kind of streak we see every year in the nfl that propels squads deep into the playoffs.
could we see our hearts ripped out again..no doubt...but Id rather at least have the chance to... and I doubt anyone here doesnt feel the same..except for Rome who plays russian roulette with his kids on weekends
this thread blows
What continues to infuriate me is when the team just needs 8 yards for a first, in obvious throwing situations, they always seem to heave it down field. Why not just check it down or run a short route? McNabb constantly is going for 20 yarders when all they need is 5 or 8 yards for a first? I saw at least 3 plays last night in the 3rd and 4th where Donovan didn't bother checking down to the running back who was wide open on 3rd down. He instead heaved a horrid pass. How can this guy be so money the 1st half then look like shtein the 2nd? They abandoned the running game all together and went into panic mode when Denver punched them in the mouth. Thankfully the defense stepped it up and got them the ball with enough time. I will admit the pass and catch couldn't of been more perfect. 9 times out of 10 though that wouldn't of happened. And McNabb running to get that 3rd and 25 conversion was so awesome. The problem is, he doesn't do that enough anymore. Watching some old games, he was always running for the 1st. He needs to rekindle this if they want to compete with the best.
Quote from: mussa on December 28, 2009, 09:09:43 AM
What continues to infuriate me is when the team just needs 8 yards for a first, in obvious throwing situations, they always seem to heave it down field. Why not just check it down or run a short route? McNabb constantly is going for 20 yarders when all they need is 5 or 8 yards for a first? I saw at least 3 plays last night in the 3rd and 4th where Donovan didn't bother checking down to the running back who was wide open on 3rd down. He instead heaved a horrid pass. How can this guy be so money the 1st half then look like shtein the 2nd?
if youre not accurate youre not going to be consistent and thats why mcnabb has always been horrible then great then horrible again
for this same reason they always throw downfield when it doesnt really warrant it because mcnabbs short passing accuracy is horrific...the lower % the route the higher the chance he completes it
1. I am the last thing from a Reid fan...ANYONE on this board will tell you this. I've been calling for his fat head on a platter for 5 years. A lot longer than most anyone else.
2. they won. THEY WON. They've won 6 in a row. Yeah, they lost a few clunkers but they have won 6 in a row when it matters most.
3. I'm sick of the whining and complaining when they WON. Who cares HOW they did it? Who cares if Maclin saved the game (and McNabb with the throw)? Last time I checked, Maclin was part of the team...players make game saving plays.
I don't know, but I think some of you have serious issues. lol
Quote from: mussa on December 28, 2009, 09:09:43 AM
What continues to infuriate me is when the team just needs 8 yards for a first, in obvious throwing situations, they always seem to heave it down field. Why not just check it down or run a short route? McNabb constantly is going for 20 yarders when all they need is 5 or 8 yards for a first? I saw at least 3 plays last night in the 3rd and 4th where Donovan didn't bother checking down to the running back who was wide open on 3rd down. He instead heaved a horrid pass. How can this guy be so money the 1st half then look like shtein the 2nd? They abandoned the running game all together and went into panic mode when Denver punched them in the mouth. Thankfully the defense stepped it up and got them the ball with enough time. I will admit the pass and catch couldn't of been more perfect. 9 times out of 10 though that wouldn't of happened. And McNabb running to get that 3rd and 25 conversion was so awesome. The problem is, he doesn't do that enough anymore. Watching some old games, he was always running for the 1st. He needs to rekindle this if they want to compete with the best.
Don't put the blame on McNabb, put it on Reid. McNabb is heaving it downfield because all the eligible receivers are downfield. Granted, he could audible I suppose, but why run everyone 20-30 yds downfield when you need 8. And, admittedly, it's even more infuriating when they throw 3 yd passes on 3rd and 8.
level headed fans dont get excited about week 16 wins...weve seen this before
intelligent fans evaluate the team in terms of can they win the superbowl not can they beat kyle orton in essentially a meaningless game
smart people would follow romey
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 09:18:50 AM
3. I'm sick of the whining and complaining when they WON. Who cares HOW they did it? Who cares if Maclin saved the game (and McNabb with the throw)? Last time I checked, Maclin was part of the team...players make game saving plays.
I don't know, but I think some of you have serious issues. lol
how they win matters pg, this isn't an up and coming team just trying to make the playoffs, this is a team with the same qb and coach for 10 years with Super Bowl aspirations, "just winning" in the regular season doesn't cut it. you have to look deeper into it and when you look at this defense you have to see that there are issues, especially with the farging tackling.
While the QB might be older, his offense is not. this isn't Pinkston/Thrash....Small/Johnson....or Curtis/whoever.
Its not LJ Smith and Westbrook/noname RB.
To me, this is a different team that can win DESPITE Reid.
I am happy with the teams play of late. Very happy and surprised, I was ready to call it a season 6 weeks ago. They are 2nd hottest team in the league right now other than San Diego, as far as winning streaks go. Denver exposed them last night a bit which worries me. And rightfully so I think its easier to be negative about this team than positive, giving the history during this era. A win is a win, but I think Rome has a good point. They don't strike me as a team that can compete with the elites. They finally have the tools to be elite, but when it comes down to it, the lack of adjusting by the offense and the defense is what makes and breaks this team. Its all on Reid. I do not trust Reid to handle sticky situations well at all and thats from past mistakes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 09:27:21 AM
level headed fans dont get excited about week 16 wins...weve seen this before
intelligent fans evaluate the team in terms of can they win the superbowl not can they beat kyle orton in essentially a meaningless game
smart people would follow romey
lol--theres so many directions I can go with this
Wasn't this team supposed to have a "usual" december let down game?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
While the QB might be older, his offense is not. this isn't Pinkston/Thrash....Small/Johnson....or Curtis/whoever.
Its not LJ Smith and Westbrook/noname RB.
To me, this is a different team that can win DESPITE Reid.
of course they can win...the point is theres no reason to get excited until they win a couple playoff games...weve seen this movie before numerous times
tampa baltimore and the giants have all won superbowls this decade so the eagles talent is not an excuse as to why they havent won just as the fact that they have more talent on offense now is not a reason to be all chest out this year
the fact is they still have andy reid and donovan mcnabb and until one or both of them does something that shows us they can win a title there little reason for a lot of excitement
Quote from: phillymic2000 on December 28, 2009, 09:59:12 AM
Wasn't this team supposed to have a "usual" december let down game?
they had a letdown half
really tho as i said they dont lose in december...thus far this year is no different than most of the last 10 years
rinse wash....????
So you can't "get excited" about a reg season win, but it's cool to rip the Eagles for a reg season win.
Got it.
no one ripped them for winning...just ripped them for looking so bad in the second half
all criticism or praise should be done with a superbowl in mind...there was nothing that happened yesterday that puts a superbowl anywhere close to their grasp...at least not any closer than the week before or at any other time in the last ten years that didnt take place fall of 2004 thru january 2005
like i said weve all seen this movie a thousand times....some choose to see it for what it is...others choose to get all amped up
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
So you can't "get excited" about a reg season win, but it's cool to rip the Eagles for a reg season win.
Got it.
Of course.
My point is that the WAY they are winning games now...I like it. Some of them are gut check type of games. Its good for the young guys to be doing this...and McNabb, while he had a bad second half (for the most part) won them the game yesterday with his run and the changing of the field position.
And IGY, that type of a game is precisely WHY they are Super Bowl material. They shtein the bed and found a way to win.
As opposed to 2004, when they destroyed everyone they played and had no guts at the end.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
So you can't "get excited" about a reg season win, but it's cool to rip the Eagles for a reg season win.
Got it.
keep a superbowl in mind before you get all excited....make a thread and title it just like this
smart people follow Rome
so some people don't throw rose petals and heap all kinds of supleratives on the team and rather choose to look at them with a critical eye and that's stupid. got it.
Oh, crazy me...I looked at the 1st post in this thread and saw quotes like "this team sucks" and "this game tonight was a disgrace" and thought that to mean he was ripping the team.
Now, don't get it twisted, I wasn't doing cartwheels after this win either, but damn...to hear some of you guys, you'd think they got blew out. Yep, we've all been on this ride before...but we've also seen that the reg season isn't always an indication of what a team will do in the postseason. Yet, there are people condemning the Eagles after yesterday's regular season game...which I assume because I didn't see threads like this after the Giants or 49ers game.
Just as predictable as this "movie" from the Eagles is the almost weekly overreaction from heads on CF.
pretty sure romey was hyperbolizing and most likely hammered
the defense being mediocre has been pretty consistent all year, and the horrible tackling has actually gotten worse.
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 10:57:51 AM
so some people don't throw rose petals and heap all kinds of supleratives on the team and rather choose to look at them with a critical eye and that's stupid. got it.
Shut up. You know that's not what I'm saying. It would have been so cool if you took a tumble from your nosebleed seat yesterday and not been able to post this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 11:02:14 AM
pretty sure romey was hyperbolizing and most likely hammered
really...when was the last time rome was ever positive about the eagles..except for a good tailgate party
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 10:57:51 AM
so some people don't throw rose petals and heap all kinds of supleratives on the team and rather choose to look at them with a critical eye and that's stupid. got it.
Shut up. You know that's not what I'm saying. It would have been so cool if you took a tumble from your nosebleed seat yesterday and not been able to post this.
this is hurtful
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 11:02:24 AM
the defense being mediocre has been pretty consistent all year, and the horrible tackling has actually gotten worse.
you dont believe in the 2 year hog index do you?
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 10:57:51 AM
so some people don't throw rose petals and heap all kinds of supleratives on the team and rather choose to look at them with a critical eye and that's stupid. got it.
Shut up. You know that's not what I'm saying. It would have been so cool if you took a tumble from your nosebleed seat yesterday and not been able to post this.
this is hurtful
and funny
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 10:57:51 AM
so some people don't throw rose petals and heap all kinds of supleratives on the team and rather choose to look at them with a critical eye and that's stupid. got it.
Shut up. You know that's not what I'm saying. It would have been so cool if you took a tumble from your nosebleed seat yesterday and not been able to post this.
this is hurtful
Not as hurtful as knowing that you're currently uninjured.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 10:44:14 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
So you can't "get excited" about a reg season win, but it's cool to rip the Eagles for a reg season win.
Got it.
And IGY, that type of a game is precisely WHY they are Super Bowl material. They shtein the bed and found a way to win.
they have done this for the entire andy mcnabb era...whether it be the skins game in 2000 the monday nite disgrace at the meadowlands in 2001 or the westbrook return game
the bottom line remains they still have andy and donovan and i wont believe either of them can win 3 or 4 straight games against playoff competition until i see it
i mean i love the eagles weapons this year more than anyone...but are you confident donovan can throw the eagles to a superbowl and outplay say romo brees warner and manning in a one month period...or any combination of the qb's hes going to face over the next month..and im not saying for example romo is better than mcnabb and mcnabb can definitely beat him but of all the qb's left of who i have confidence in to have four straight playoff winning quality performances he would be near the bottom and at best in the middle of the pack
same with reid...can you see reid outcoaching four other playoff teams in the period of a few weeks?...i cant
theres nothing about this year that tells me i should be more confident about either of those things happening compared to any other year
id rather have a pair like arron rodgers and mike mcarthy because like the eagles i know they are good but unlike the eagles i havent seen overwhelming evidence from either of them that they cant do it...they at least give you the hope that comes with the unknown
btw the eagles have not beaten a single team that is in the playoffs this year...this could change if denver makes it or they beat dallas next week but what in that makes you at all giddy about their superbowl chances
I agree with all of ^^^^
Just in case anyone is keeping track.
because mpmcgraw said they were going to win the superbowl. and he knows sports. especially football.
fyi, they haven't beat a playoff team all year
i feel like i just read that somewhere.
oh oops
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
fyi, they haven't beat a playoff team all year
The fact that they beat those teams MAY have been a contributing factor in them not making the playoffs.
Start of the 3rd, team driving well; "hey, maybe they will put a complete game together - against an afc west team to boot". Mcnabb drops back, has more time to throw than the average dump, and just whiffs a maddeningly familiar throwaway pass for an int. And just like that the team reverts to another instance of not putting a complete game together.
Yes, they won - but by getting a few intangibles like a favorable booth review. Yet luck eventually regresses to the mean with that shtein going the other way like in the last nfccg, etc.
A year ago their rap was "slow start", having to climb out of a hole. Now its mid-game - the ability to put a team away. And so I remain unconvinced. All this win means is that not as much shtein gets broken around the house.
Quote from: jihadist monk on December 28, 2009, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
fyi, they haven't beat a playoff team all year
The fact that they beat those teams MAY have been a contributing factor in them not making the playoffs.
Giants likely, panthers possibly.
The only adjustment the staff can make is, throw all the time when they are up.
Quote from: JackStraw on December 28, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
Start of the 3rd, team driving well; "hey, maybe they will put a complete game together - against an afc west team to boot". Mcnabb drops back, has more time to throw than the average dump, and just whiffs a maddeningly familiar throwaway pass for an int. And just like that the team reverts to another instance of not putting a complete game together.
Yes, they won - but by getting a few intangibles like a favorable booth review. Yet luck eventually regresses to the mean with that shtein going the other way like in the last nfccg, etc.
A year ago their rap was "slow start", having to climb out of a hole. Now its mid-game - the ability to put a team away. And so I remain unconvinced. All this win means is that not as much shtein gets broken around the house.
Favorable booth review? It wasn't even close to not being a catch. It was a clear catch. It was the correct call.
And the call against Harris was bogus and completely changed the momentum of the game.
Quote from: JackStraw on December 28, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: jihadist monk on December 28, 2009, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
fyi, they haven't beat a playoff team all year
The fact that they beat those teams MAY have been a contributing factor in them not making the playoffs.
Giants likely, panthers possibly.
Denver, perhaps.
i don't know if i'd consider denver a "legit" playoff team. legit teams don't go 2-7 after starting 6-0. then again, i guess the argument could be made that legit teams don't lose to the raiders either.
11-4 overall
9-2 in the NFC
4-1 in the NFC East.
#2 scoring offense in the NFC
#3 scoring offense in the NFL
2nd half offensive trouble against Denver. hmmm, Denver has also held other teams to low scoring in the 2nd half this year - held the Colts to 7 in the 2nd half... the Giants to 6... the Patriots to ZERO and Dallas to ZERO... just to name a few.
But sure - no chance for this team.
Eff that - f*ck Dallas - f*ck 'em all - this team has as good a chance as any other team in the NFC to reach the Super Bowl and legit chance to win it.
I know that Denver's defense does play much in the second half, but I think the Eagles played right into their hands. They stopped running the ball which every time they do that the offense sputters. They kept running sets without Celek in there which made no sense he killed Denver in the first half.
Speaking of Celek did anyone notice they used him and Weaver for one on one blocking on Elvis Dumervil?
I noticed they had Celek doing it. I only noticed on the replay where they showed McNabb getting killed.
Denver didn't do so much in the third rather than the eagles farged it up. Picks, penalties, fumbles. All really none of the donkeys doing.
To win 9 or 10 in a row to take the SB won't allow you many Q3's like yesterday or the week before.
IGY....all those coach and QB tandems you talked about, only 2 of them in the playoffs this year have ever made the SB together....Ken/Warner, and Brady/Hoodie.
Manning/Caldwell is pretty much the same thing as Manning/Dungy so count them.
Favre hasn't made a super bowl since 97 and chokes hard in the playoffs every year.
Oh....and McNabb/Reid. That tandem actually has won in the playoffs and made it to a SB.
It's funny that you point to these other QB/Coach combo's and say the Eagles havn't proven anything when McNabb/Reid have actually been further than 66% of the other QB/Coach tandems in these playoffs.
Quote from: JackStraw on December 28, 2009, 02:50:02 PM
To win 9 or 10 in a row to take the SB won't allow you many Q3's like yesterday or the week before.
Absolutely true - but the same goes for all other NFC teams still alive, no?
Dallas - can't afford losses like they've had in December this year (Giants, SD) - or in years past.
Minny - can't afford 1 straight loss in the postseason, let alone 2 out of 3 as they have just had - throw in QB/Coach powerstruggle and a vanishing AP running game.
N.O. - can't afford a loss - let alone 2 straight as they've just had (ahem - loss at home to the Bucs??? Doesn't make the Raiders game look so bad in my opinion)
Cards - again - just recently sharted on MNF against the 49ers.
Hell - the team not many people mention around here, and who quite frankly I think is becoming the team to worry about - is the Packers - even if they do get a bunch of Ws against the likes of the Da Bears, St. Louis, Detriot and Cleveland, etc.
Remind me again - WHY don't the Eagles have a shot this year ?
Man, some of you fargers are miserable. The win wasn't pretty. The offense shtein all over themselves in the second half. The punting was terrible as was Macho Harris. McNabb was off for awhile too.
But, they did what they had to do to win. If they don't win that game, if McNabb doesn't run to turn the field position around or doesn't make that throw to Maclin, the lot of youse who are ripping them for winning ugly would be bombs away on McNabb not leading them to a win, by whatever means possible.
And igy, did you drop Romo's name as some all world QB in one of your posts? lol.
Hey miserable people - if you're a Saints fan, what are you saying about dropping a bomb to the Bucs? What are you saying if you're a Vikings fan over the last two weeks?
It's a wide open NFC and the Eagles are winning. Ugly at times, but winning. And if they win a Super Bowl with missed tackles, wormburners and whatever other things deemed disgusting, then so be it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 10:44:14 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
So you can't "get excited" about a reg season win, but it's cool to rip the Eagles for a reg season win.
Got it.
Of course.
My point is that the WAY they are winning games now...I like it. Some of them are gut check type of games. Its good for the young guys to be doing this...and McNabb, while he had a bad second half (for the most part) won them the game yesterday with his run and the changing of the field position.
And IGY, that type of a game is precisely WHY they are Super Bowl material. They shtein the bed and found a way to win.
As opposed to 2004, when they destroyed everyone they played and had no guts at the end.
This is the biggest thing that I have noticed coming down the stretch. They have made plays when they need to. I am really trying not to get too excited because I know that I am only setting myself up for a big letdown.
this thread turned out worse than i ever expected.
yay.
ps: i'm in asheville, nc this week. holy shtein it's beautiful up here.
reid has said countless times that they throw to get a big lead and then run the ball. um... they didn't yesterday. they continued to throw like iceholes same as always.
and i don't even blame macho harris for the fumbled ko after the td. he has no business returning kicks any more than reno did a few years ago. and honestly, i thought he got hit with a helmet to helmet shot there anyway.
still... nothing changes with these clowns, hence the thread.
and for the record, no, i wasn't happy with that win. not at all. so farg all of you.
6th NFC Championship, but no SB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 28, 2009, 03:19:52 PM
Man, some of you fargers are miserable. The win wasn't pretty. The offense shtein all over themselves in the second half. The punting was terrible as was Macho Harris. McNabb was off for awhile too.
But, they did what they had to do to win. If they don't win that game, if McNabb doesn't run to turn the field position around or doesn't make that throw to Maclin, the lot of youse who are ripping them for winning ugly would be bombs away on McNabb not leading them to a win, by whatever means possible.
And igy, did you drop Romo's name as some all world QB in one of your posts? lol.
Hey miserable people - if you're a Saints fan, what are you saying about dropping a bomb to the Bucs? What are you saying if you're a Vikings fan over the last two weeks?
It's a wide open NFC and the Eagles are winning. Ugly at times, but winning. And if they win a Super Bowl with missed tackles, wormburners and whatever other things deemed disgusting, then so be it.
I don't give a farg about them beating any NFC teams the rest of the year. The only game that I give a shtein about now is beating one more AFC team. If they can't do that, this season is a failure. Do I think this team will stop Manning and the Colts, or the Chargers? farg no.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 28, 2009, 03:19:52 PM
And igy, did you drop Romo's name as some all world QB in one of your posts? lol.
yeah i said he was possibly one of the qb's mcnabb would have to go thru to win a superbowl....is there something inaccurate about that
YEah, the fact that it's not worth mentioning.
QuoteIGY....all those coach and QB tandems you talked about, only 2 of them in the playoffs this year have ever made the SB together....Ken/Warner, and Brady/Hoodie.
Manning/Caldwell is pretty much the same thing as Manning/Dungy so count them.
Favre hasn't made a super bowl since 97 and chokes hard in the playoffs every year.
Oh....and McNabb/Reid. That tandem actually has won in the playoffs and made it to a SB.
It's funny that you point to these other QB/Coach combo's and say the Eagles havn't proven anything when McNabb/Reid have actually been further than 66% of the other QB/Coach tandems in these playoffs.
You can't say you have no faith in McNabb/Reid and then point to other coaches and QB's that havn't even made it as far as them.
i can name lots of teams that have won a title in far less chances than the eagles have failed in
just like winning it all multiple times breeds the expectancy of success losing it all many times breeds the expectancy of failure
doing neither leaves open the possibility door
try reading what people say instead of going off on unintelligeble homerized tangents and people might take you seriously and actually respond to your posts
until that happens stop addressing me and certainly stop addressing me by copying and pasting rants that already addressed me
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
i can name lots of teams that have won a title in far less chances than the eagles have failed in
just like winning it all multiple times breeds the expectancy of success losing it all many times breeds the expectancy of failure
doing neither leaves open the possibility door a little wider
try reading what people say instead of going off on unintelligeble homerized tangents and people might take you seriously and actually respond to your posts
until that happens stop addressing me and certainly stop addressing me by quoting your own posts addressing me
What the farg ever happened to just saying, "Go Eagles!"?
Everyone here thinks they are more important than they really are.
Go spend some times with your families instead of flirting on the net.
Reidiculous.
Quote from: hbionic on December 28, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
What the farg ever happened to just saying, "Go Eagles!"?
Everyone here thinks they are more important than they really are.
Go spend some times with your families instead of flirting on the net.
Reidiculous.
other than your ridiculously bad spelling of ridiculous...this post was right on.
I was trying to be clever.
Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Ridiculous.
Family? Family is so overrated.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: hbionic on December 28, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
What the farg ever happened to just saying, "Go Eagles!"?
Everyone here thinks they are more important than they really are.
Go spend some times with your families instead of flirting on the net.
Reidiculous.
other than your ridiculously bad spelling of ridiculous...this post was right on.
what? this board exits to bitch, moan, dissect, inspect, praise, and love the eagles. if you agree that all we should do is say "go eagles" and be on our way then why even post here?
i ask myself that question everyday.
The Eagles wouldn't have won the game without the defense yesterday. They were on the field for pretty much the entire second half, and still managed to hold the Broncos to only 3 points in the final 7 or so minutes after they had like 3 straight possessions from midfield. Pretty damn good.
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: hbionic on December 28, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
What the farg ever happened to just saying, "Go Eagles!"?
Everyone here thinks they are more important than they really are.
Go spend some times with your families instead of flirting on the net.
Reidiculous.
other than your ridiculously bad spelling of ridiculous...this post was right on.
what? this board exits to bitch, moan, dissect, inspect, praise, and love the eagles. if you agree that all we should do is say "go eagles" and be on our way then why even post here?
yeah wtf?
it doesnt matter if its here...at a tailgate....in a sports bar...or in your basement
what the farg is life without debating about sports
i got an idea...lets just agree on everything about anything...fun times
homers should die
Quote from: MMH on December 28, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 28, 2009, 03:19:52 PM
Man, some of you fargers are miserable. The win wasn't pretty. The offense shtein all over themselves in the second half. The punting was terrible as was Macho Harris. McNabb was off for awhile too.
But, they did what they had to do to win. If they don't win that game, if McNabb doesn't run to turn the field position around or doesn't make that throw to Maclin, the lot of youse who are ripping them for winning ugly would be bombs away on McNabb not leading them to a win, by whatever means possible.
And igy, did you drop Romo's name as some all world QB in one of your posts? lol.
Hey miserable people - if you're a Saints fan, what are you saying about dropping a bomb to the Bucs? What are you saying if you're a Vikings fan over the last two weeks?
It's a wide open NFC and the Eagles are winning. Ugly at times, but winning. And if they win a Super Bowl with missed tackles, wormburners and whatever other things deemed disgusting, then so be it.
I don't give a farg about them beating any NFC teams the rest of the year. The only game that I give a shtein about now is beating one more AFC team. If they can't do that, this season is a failure. Do I think this team will stop Manning and the Colts, or the Chargers? farg no.
Can't beat the AFC team until they handle up the NFC.
And I like their chances against any AFC squad except the Colts. They can stop the Chargers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
i can name lots of teams that have won a title in far less chances than the eagles have failed in
just like winning it all multiple times breeds the expectancy of success losing it all many times breeds the expectancy of failure
doing neither leaves open the possibility door
try reading what people say instead of going off on unintelligeble homerized tangents and people might take you seriously and actually respond to your posts
until that happens stop addressing me and certainly stop addressing me by copying and pasting rants that already addressed me
Alls I'm saying is you're saying McNabb/Reid have no chance and then naming guys who havn't even won in the playoffs.
Please try again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2009, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 28, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: hbionic on December 28, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
What the farg ever happened to just saying, "Go Eagles!"?
Everyone here thinks they are more important than they really are.
Go spend some times with your families instead of flirting on the net.
Reidiculous.
other than your ridiculously bad spelling of ridiculous...this post was right on.
what? this board exits to bitch, moan, dissect, inspect, praise, and love the eagles. if you agree that all we should do is say "go eagles" and be on our way then why even post here?
yeah wtf?
it doesnt matter if its here...at a tailgate....in a sports bar...or in your basement
what the farg is life without debating about sports
i got an idea...lets just agree on everything about anything...fun times
homers should die
I guess I'm tired of the same people bitching and moaning.
Quote from: Munson on December 29, 2009, 01:20:18 AM
Alls I'm saying is you're saying McNabb/Reid have no chance and then naming guys who havn't even won in the playoffs.
Please try again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 10:01:07 AM
of course they can win...the point is theres no reason to get excited until they win a couple playoff games...weve seen this movie before numerous times
again...take off the banner sunglasses and farging read peoples posts before spouting off the company line
Quote from: hbionic on December 29, 2009, 01:53:02 AM
I guess I'm tired of the same people bitching and moaning.
ive been tired of homers since i was in the womb...but the solution is not to just turn to their side and run with them thru their sunflower field where kids feed unicorns pieces of rainbow and joe banner hands out free swirly lolipops...that would be so boring
instead i try to convert them...and one day i will holds hands with phreak on the elevator to hell
there is a difference between being a rainbow and sunshine up the ass homer and being a fan.
You all know I despise Banner and Reid. I am as critical of them as anyone else...most of the time, even moreso than others.
But to whine and complain and nitpick every.single.thing when they are on a 6 game win streak to end the season and the chance to have the #2 seed for the playoffs, is simply retarded on so many levels.
They didn't win good enough for you? Tough shtein. its a win.
i honestly could care less about the denver game it meant nothing...it didnt lessen or greaten their chances at a superbowl
i just think its funny how EVERY single season the same people come out this time of the year and think this team going into the playoffs is different than any other team of the last 10 years as far as their chances at winning it all
save the 04 squad...there was valid legitimate reason for hysteria that year...in fact even i thought they were gonna win the whole thing
First of all, I wasn't whining. After almost 11 years of watching this team with Reid at the helm I was expressing frustration over seeing the same sort of critical mistakes we've seen all along. I was upset that the offense had a critical turnover at a time they should have been blasting Denver into submission. I was pissed off because a guy who shouldn't have even been on the field gave up the ball on special teams. I was pissed that a team with a 17 point lead allowed the opposition to tie it up seemingly without any resistance from the defense. These are the sort of things that have happened repeatedly with Reid's teams. And that's an indisputable point.
Just once in my life I'd like to see an Eagles team go start to finish and demolish a good team. Just once I'd like to see this supposedly great coach begin the season by crushing a team and then tear through the season and win the Super Bowl. Is that really so unreasonable an expectation? I guess it is to some of you.
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2009, 09:01:29 AM
Just once in my life I'd like to see an Eagles team go start to finish and demolish a good team. Just once I'd like to see this supposedly great coach begin the season by crushing a team and then tear through the season and win the Super Bowl. Is that really so unreasonable an expectation? I guess it is to some of you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 08:58:06 AM
save the 04 squad...there was valid legitimate reason for hysteria that year...in fact even i thought they were gonna win the whole thing
They got their asses handed to them by the Steelers in the regular season that year. Then the same sort of critical screw-ups that damned them previously got them in the Super Bowl by the Patriots.
im just saying that one year was different from all the others
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2009, 09:01:29 AM
First of all, I wasn't whining. After almost 11 years of watching this team with Reid at the helm I was expressing frustration over seeing the same sort of critical mistakes we've seen all along. I was upset that the offense had a critical turnover at a time they should have been blasting Denver into submission. I was pissed off because a guy who shouldn't have even been on the field gave up the ball on special teams. I was pissed that a team with a 17 point lead allowed the opposition to tie it up seemingly without any resistance from the defense. These are the sort of things that have happened repeatedly with Reid's teams. And that's an indisputable point.
Just once in my life I'd like to see an Eagles team go start to finish and demolish a good team. Just once I'd like to see this supposedly great coach begin the season by crushing a team and then tear through the season and win the Super Bowl. Is that really so unreasonable an expectation? I guess it is to some of you.
They demolished good teams all year in 2004. Did them a lot of good in the end, eh?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 29, 2009, 09:40:05 AM
They demolished good teams all year in 2004. Did them a lot of good in the end, eh?
they also didnt lose to an oakland or lose any games by 26 pts at home
to even suggest that that team should be criticized for being too good in the regular season is assinine
they rolled thru the nfl and went toe to toe with a great nfl dynasty and had a chance to beat them...the reason they didnt?...the qb and the coach...the same qb and coach that currently run the team....which goes back to why i dont see any overt reason to be extra excited about the team this year...until i see otherwise its more of the same old to me
difference is its the same corny shtein by the same people..and lol at Rome saying he wasnt whining by creating this thread
it was said numerous times in the beginning/first couple of games of the season that this team isnt even close to a playoff team, an easy 7-9 squad, the loss to the raiders, the defense cant stop anybody, blah blah....but yet now that the season is reversed and the the team is playing exceptionally well, way better than the bitchers and moaners expectations...you want a superbowl and still start a thread like this? its either homer or bandwagoner--which is it?
Point blank: ass-backward miserable idiots that need to get laid, buy a hooker or just get the farg out of the house
Quote from: reese125 on December 29, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
difference is its the same corny shtein by the same people..and lol at Rome saying he wasnt whining by creating this thread
it was said numerous times in the beginning/first couple of games of the season that this team isnt even close to a playoff team, an easy 7-9 squad, the loss to the raiders, the defense cant stop anybody, blah blah....but yet now that the season is reversed and the the team is playing exceptionally well, way better than the bitchers and moaners expectations...you want a superbowl and still start a thread like this? its either homer or bandwagoner--which is it?
Point blank: ass-backward miserable idiots that need to get laid, buy a hooker or just get the farg out of the house
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what does that even mean?
i get upset when the eagles dont win?
crazy yo
I know its tough to follow....depressed, miserable, life is bullshtein...you know...pretty much every day of you, MDS and Romes life expressed here in CF
actually I give you more credit with some positivity, but those other two--holy christ
Here's the thing...
Once the playoffs start, anything can happen. These great teams can get knocked off. 6-seeds (Pittsburgh) can run through people because they are hot at the right time. Get in the playoffs, be on a hot streak ad go into the playoffs playing the best football of the year and how can you not think optimistically?
Because they blew a lead to Denver? shtein happens. It's how they respond, how they play the next game. If they come out and win against Dallas, then its forgotten. Unless they win a close game, then they will be criticized for not winning handily enough, I suppose.
Arizona got hot at the right time last year. They were embarrassed in NE at the end of the season, but once the playoffs got going - they were playing very well. Why can't the Eagles do that?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2009, 10:36:02 AM
Why can't the Eagles do that?
they can
they just have a massive body of work that says they cant
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: Munson on December 29, 2009, 01:20:18 AM
Alls I'm saying is you're saying McNabb/Reid have no chance and then naming guys who havn't even won in the playoffs.
Please try again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2009, 10:01:07 AM
of course they can win...the point is theres no reason to get excited until they win a couple playoff games...weve seen this movie before numerous times
again...take off the banner sunglasses and farging read peoples posts before spouting off the company line
I don't think ANYBODY here has shown "excitement" over the win on Sunday....but no one's idiotic enough to go all doom and gloom and omg they might have to face Tony Romo in the playoffs!
Quote from: reese125 on December 29, 2009, 10:30:54 AM
I know its tough to follow....depressed, miserable, life is bullshtein...you know...pretty much every day of you, MDS and Romes life expressed here in CF
actually I give you more credit with some positivity, but those other two--holy christ
romeys a drunk who lives in the south and the lil guy is a jew...they have valid reasons for being miserable
My only hope is what Sheridan said, this team is young right now, and they've been playing like a different team lately.
One reason to be upbeat about this team is the fact that the Denver game is a game that they'd have lost in years past. Same with the Giants game. Another couple of reasons to think they're better than recent Eagle teams is that they finally have, not one, but two bonafide threats at the wideout position, and what looks to be one of the best pocession recievers in the league with Avant. Also, this offense finally has a real threat at tight end and at FB. Brent Celek, not DeSean Jackson, is the Eagles leading receiver, and he can block too! When is the last time this team had a TE with 8 td's? And theres still one more game left to play.
I know the defense is suspect, but what D in the league isn't? Superbowl or no superbowl, to say that this team is just the same ole' same ole' as Eagle teams past is just miserable people being miserable. How do you say that Jackson and Maclin are the same as Pinkston and Thrash, or Curtis and Mitchell, or Brown? How do you say that LJ is the same ole' same ole' as Celek?
As long as we've all cried, bitched and moaned about getting McNabb weapons, now that it's finally happened it's like, oh well, it's still Reid and McNabb so nothing has changed. They'll never win anything. Bullshtein, at least they've made more of an effort to put players on the field than they have in the past. Maybe they're finally coming around. Pimp should be evidence enough that this team is moving foward.
Geez, give it a rest and see what the farg actually happens on the field first. Then, if they don't win the Superbowl, which they probably won't, give it your all and blast them straight to hell. That seems to be what most are best at around here anyway.
Quote from: shorebird on December 29, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
One reason to be upbeat about this team is the fact that the Denver game is a game that they'd have lost in years past. Same with the Giants game.
ummm no they wouldnt have....they have schooled the giants for most of the decade and rarely ever lose in december to anyone
Quote from: shorebird on December 29, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
I know the defense is suspect, but what D in the league isn't? Superbowl or no superbowl, to say that this team is just the same ole' same ole' as Eagle teams past is just miserable people being miserable. How do you say that Jackson and Maclin are the same as Pinkston and Thrash, or Curtis and Mitchell, or Brown? How do you say that LJ is the same ole' same ole' as Celek?
As long as we've all cried, bitched and moaned about getting McNabb weapons, now that it's finally happened it's like, oh well, it's still Reid and McNabb so nothing has changed. They'll never win anything. Bullshtein, at least they've made more of an effort to put players on the field than they have in the past. Maybe they're finally coming around. Pimp should be evidence enough that this team is moving foward.
youre acting like they added better wr's to the 2002 team....of course the weapons are better on offense...but the defense is far worse than in the past...and they dont have a HOF westbrook...no one is saying this team isnt better in certain areas...but they are also worse in other areas...add in the same coach and qb and it comes out to a net zero change
luck and circumstance also play into this and its possible this year could be different and they win the superbowl....but as we stand right here right now...aint a damn thing changed
Yes, because the defense was STELLAR vs. the Pats in the Super Bowl.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 29, 2009, 12:10:40 PM
Yes, because the defense was STELLAR vs. the Pats in the Super Bowl.
it wasnt stellar but it was good enough to win against a great team
mcnabbs two heart ripping int's killed them...cant turn the ball over inside the opponents 25 twice have that opponent be new england and expect to win...and thats without even mentioning the coaches clock management and the puking on "the drive"
youre not allowed to rip mcnabb. shut up.
LOLOLOLOLOL at blaming McNabb for the Super Bowl and letting the defense off the hook.
Child, please.
Uh, McNabb gave that game away. Awful picks and no urgency.
The defense shouldn't be lauded for its performance, but come on now.
McChunky didnt act like he was in a 2 minute drill, and threw up. Say what you want, but thats his legacy right now, throwing up when the team needed him most. Time to change that legacy this year.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 29, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
McChunky didnt act like he was in a 2 minute drill, and threw up. Say what you want, but thats his legacy right now, throwing up when the team needed him most. Time to change that legacy this year.
whats funny is that his legacy should be the two awful picks that gave away a possible 14 pts...there wouldnt have been a situation that caused him to puke if he doesnt throw the picks
or if the defense held even once....he might not have been in that position.
So a classic investors bubble - is it tulip-mania or dow 36,000? Right now the team is the pundits darling, anointed with "the team you don't want to play". Pedestal knock-offs saints and vikings only add fuel to the bubble.
The old saying applies - "buy the rumor and sell the news" People will be buying all week. The news hits Sunday at around 8. We'll see how good they are under national spotlight expectations with much on the line.
his defense gave up 24 points to a great offense with an epic qb. on what planet is that their fault. mcnabbs brutal picks (one in the endzone, one midway through a drive) were the game. the sorry excuse for a 2 minute drill and ensuing puke were the cherry on top of a miserable performance.
I get it. Eagles lost the Super Bowl SOLELY because of McNabb.
I hate this farging fanbase.
Are you crying right now?
lol
The Defense gave up way more than it should have, but the offense was inept outside of TO. Donovan when he had to come up biggest threw 2 picks, one to seal the game high above LJ's hands, not to mention he threw up on the field. Where was westbrook that game, shtein Pinkston was having the game of his life up until his vagina flared
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 29, 2009, 02:39:04 PM
I get it. Eagles lost the Super Bowl SOLELY because of McNabb.
I hate this farging fanbase.
lol drama queen
he was no. 1 on the list, yes. he also threw away the tampa game, was non existent/injured in the carolina game, and failed to lead a winning/tying drive in the rams and cardinals games. just...yea. thats his legacy. those games. where he didnt do enough. but its always someone elses fault.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
his defense gave up 24 points to a great offense with an epic qb. on what planet is that their fault. mcnabbs brutal picks (one in the endzone, one midway through a drive) were the game. the sorry excuse for a 2 minute drill and ensuing puke were the cherry on top of a miserable performance.
i wouldn't say the 04 pats offense was "great" but it was probably among the most efficient and balanced i've ever seen. in other words, they didn't light up the scoreboard, but they didn't turn the ball over very much and they didn't have a lot of 3 and outs that would keep their defense on the field.
that's one thing that concerns me about this current eagles team......they have a big play/quick strike offense, which is great, but it also does put the defense on the field for more snaps and can wear them down throughout the course of a game. during the current winning streak, the offense has done a much better job of sustaining drives and chewing up clock but that was far from the case during the first 10 weeks of the season. as long as the eagles don't fall back into the mindset that they need to score quickly every time they have the ball then i think their chances of a deep playoff run improve. the less time this defense spends on the field, the better.
again, he wins a SB, its all forgotten, but he had his chance once before on his hands and he literally puked
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2009, 03:01:57 PM
they have a big play/quick strike offense, which is great, but it also does put the defense on the field for more snaps and can wear them down throughout the course of a game.
youre assuming it will be a big play offense against playoff teams...something it hasnt shown yet
which is why its tough is jump on the bandwagon and forget about the five other times he and his coach failed. they arent an overtly dominating team that is far and away better than everyone else. they are in the mix and could conceivably pull it off. but to think that mcnabb will magically, this time, out play 3-4 playoff caliber teams in a row when hes never done in it his career despite seven chances is kind of crazy.
jack is right about sunday...its going to be unbelievably interesting to see how they respond in a spot they havent been in yet this season...which is a national spotlight road game against a playoff team
they win sunday and i become impressed while my hopes get tangibly raised
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2009, 03:01:57 PM
they have a big play/quick strike offense, which is great, but it also does put the defense on the field for more snaps and can wear them down throughout the course of a game.
youre assuming it will be a big play offense against playoff teams...something it hasnt shown yet
seriously? plays of 20+ yds
vs no: 71 yd td to pimp, 37 yd to celek, 26 yd to avant, 26 yd to celek, 21 yd to celek
vs dal: 20 yd pass to avant, 23 yd to avant, 20 yd to celek, 45 yd to mccoy, 20 yd to pimp
vs sd: 22 yd to pimp, 27 yds to avant, 58 yds to avant, 28 yds to maclin
vs atl*: 59 yds to weaver, 56 yds to maclin, 43 yds to brown
vs nyg*: not even going to bother with this game because there were about 10 plays over 20 yds.
vs sf* and vs den*: if you can't remember the last 2 weeks then farg off.
* = teams in playoff contention at game time.
you'll probably notice that the first 3 games resulted in losses and the last 4 on the list were wins. it should be noted that in the 4 wins on that list, the eagles ran fairly well balanced offenses and had some clock eating drives to go along with the occasional quick strike drive.
lol at me crying. Sure, when in doubt, cue the "you're a girl/drama queen" posts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 12:04:33 PM
as we stand right here right now...aint a damn thing changed
I just plain disagree with that, but I can see how you would think that way. Until they win the Superbowl, there is really no arguing any different. Eagle fans are so desperate for a championship nothing else will suffice. But, I can't help but feel after watching them win games that they really could have lost, that the young talent on this team has infused a new attitude. Especially Pimp. His love for the game and his in your face attitude is infectious. You can see it rubbing off on this team. Even with Andy Reid and his 1/2" off the ground chest bump, or whatever that was.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 03:15:04 PM
jack is right about sunday...its going to be unbelievably interesting to see how they respond in a spot they havent been in yet this season...which is a national spotlight road game against a playoff team
they win sunday and i become impressed while my hopes get tangibly raised
^This^. I think most all of us feel this way. I don't think this is the Cowboy team of the last two years. I said at the begining of the season that they'd be better off without TO, and they are. He was a cancer. Romo is playing better than he ever has. He seems more in control. And the Dallas D is playing at a high level right now. Win this game and Superbowl hopes are raised 10 fold.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 29, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
lol at me crying. Sure, when in doubt, cue the "you're a girl/drama queen" posts.
you trying to say you're not a girl?
Who can tell what the hell she's saying through all the tears?
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2009, 03:45:55 PM
Who can tell what the hell she's saying through all the tears?
i can. but i constantly beat my kids and take their toys away from them for no reason so i'm well versed in deciphering cry baby talk.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2009, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2009, 03:01:57 PM
they have a big play/quick strike offense, which is great, but it also does put the defense on the field for more snaps and can wear them down throughout the course of a game.
youre assuming it will be a big play offense against playoff teams...something it hasnt shown yet
seriously? plays of 20+ yds
vs no: 71 yd td to pimp, 37 yd to celek, 26 yd to avant, 26 yd to celek, 21 yd to celek
vs dal: 20 yd pass to avant, 23 yd to avant, 20 yd to celek, 45 yd to mccoy, 20 yd to pimp
vs sd: 22 yd to pimp, 27 yds to avant, 58 yds to avant, 28 yds to maclin
vs atl*: 59 yds to weaver, 56 yds to maclin, 43 yds to brown
vs nyg*: not even going to bother with this game because there were about 10 plays over 20 yds.
vs sf* and vs den*: if you can't remember the last 2 weeks then farg off.
* = teams in playoff contention at game time.
sd and no games they were steamrolled and behind the entire two games were just winging the ball with no care...that said deseans score against the saints was a valid big play...but it also was their only score of the year against a playoff team of more than 10 yards...and imo it cant be that big of a play if you dont score...22 yard passes to jason avant that end up leading to a punts arent big plays
Why does everyone keep calling Jackson Desaun?? Isn't his name Pimp?
Pimp forever bitches.
it took me at least 3 or 4 readings to understand that post
...one more thing about bubbles - when doubters question whether a market is too frothy, the heavily invested invariably respond; "no, but really, its different this time".
Who knows? -maybe this time the oft-championed youth makes for a different outcome than losing every last game of the season since 1960.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
it took me at least 3 or 4 readings to understand that post
Now you know how people feel reading your articles.
Quote from: reese125 on December 29, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
blah...
what would make everyone's day is if you offed yourself, dickbag.
Im sorry did I hurt your feelings? hugs around the corner
You're all farging retarded. And no, they aren't going to win anything this year.
QB's that won SB's in the aughts....
Trent Dilfer
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisburger
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
There are only 2 guys on that list I'd definitely rather have, and 1 maybe in Big Ben.
I don't see why another QB automatically gives us a better chance at a SB. I'll take my chances with McNabb since a guy like Brady or Peyton aint gonna happen.
IGY-No one cares about your definition. The NFL defines a big play as a play of 20+ yards or more.
ill take my chances with a guys that failed every time. he seems warm and cuddly.
uh wow
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Plenty-of-weapons-for-Eagles-122709
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 30, 2009, 11:59:27 AM
uh wow
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Plenty-of-weapons-for-Eagles-122709
QuoteMcNabb cooled in the second half because of accuracy issues, shaky protection and some questionable pass-heavy play calling by head coach Andy Reid with the Eagles leading.
Questionable :paranoid it was flat out stoopid
Quote from: General_Failure on December 29, 2009, 09:02:38 PM
You're all farging retarded. And no, they aren't going to win anything this year.
I think you need to update the CF banner. Here's my draft. I think it captures the mood accurately.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/beermonkey68/emofieldcopy.jpg)
holy shtein, haha
I didn't know Bradley was EMO. What a douche.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 30, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
I didn't know Bradley was EMO. What a douche.
Surprisingly, the internet was not the wealth of fat emo kid pics that I imagined.
Quote from: Beermonkey on December 30, 2009, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 29, 2009, 09:02:38 PM
You're all farging retarded. And no, they aren't going to win anything this year.
I think you need to update the CF banner. Here's my draft. I think it captures the mood accurately.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/beermonkey68/emofieldcopy.jpg)
:-D
that's farging awesome. isn't rusty emo? i wonder if he knows any of those fatties.
he's not emo, he just looks like he has cancer.
lol
oh. so he's chemo instead of emo?
why you always gotta try to top it?
just let the greatness breathe mother farger
i waited a couple minutes before posting to let it marinade. still not enough flava?
Wow there is something really wrong with this place. :-D
Sterno>chemo
your all wrong. its AIDS!!
honestly why dont more people come here. this place is fargING COOL AS HELL I MR. SMITH
If thin = cancer than you fargers are living forever.
preach on brother
Lots of people have been trying to come here. Most of them Russian or Chinese with lots of numbers in their name.
They're not numbers, that's just how they write
they're very good with the sciences, I hear
they can also turn a television into a watch
where the homers at?
Farg Andy, I fargin had faith this offense had the weapons to overcome his ass, but DMAC has proved me wrong again. My bad I repent.
:paranoid :paranoid :paranoid :paranoid
nice defense
HOW ABOUT fargING NOW?
Still want to tell me this team will ever amount to anything. farg all of you, farg every farging douchebag who wears this uniform with any semblance of pride.
Gutless, spineless, worthless. I hope their farging plane crashes, and every farging worthless piece of shtein on it dies in fire and pain. God I hate rooting for these farging pieces of shtein. Looked like McNabb made a lot of dough betting against the Eagles today. Good for him. If someone douses that fat farg with gasoline, I'll be happy to supply the lighted match.
Quote from: SunMo on January 03, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
where the homers at?
omg....this was my post since the first quarter of the game...great minds....
tonight's loss was awesome.
i was playing shuffleboard after the game and one of the cocktail waitresses at the bar came up behind me and cupped my balls in her hand. that would have never happened if the eagles had won.
i'm guessing she never found them
why you gotta be like that, man?
Dio is rubbing off on me
That's kinda gross man.
per those recent Q-3's, we all knew that a full 60 min of that was somewhere in them, waiting urgently to emerge like a wings-and-beer-steamer playing peek-a-boo on the way to work the next morning.
WHERE IS MY BEST fargING FRIEND REESE RIGHT NOW??????????
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE??? WHERE YOU AT MY stillupfront's mom?
Just curious, Romey...what happens when they win next week?
there she is!
wut up girl how you feelin?
Feeling just fine, why?
just figured with your boy mcpuking all over the place again things wouldnt be great in the old pg/murp house
Riight, all McNabb's fault. Uh huh.
Some of you won't change. Ever.
munson with a labia
cept pg actually knows her sports
Please kill yourself for ever putting me in the same category as Munson.
kthx.
These two thinking they know anything about sports is the fun part.
im pretty sure some us were actually watching the game while your uncle was molesting 8 year olds next to the dusty drum set
Molesting 8 year old would have at least been entertaining.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 03, 2010, 10:05:48 PM
Please kill yourself for ever putting me in the same category as Munson.
kthx.
my bad
i appreciate the faith you have in the eagles, pg. i really do.
i don't share that faith at all. and mcnabb played like a total farging bitch ass fag tonight. that's not even disputable.
Was there ANYONE on the team that played well? Offensively? Defensively?
Anyone? Name me one. Please. Just ONE player.
Brent Celek....and that's about it.
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2010, 10:07:08 PM
im pretty sure some us were actually watching the game while your uncle was molesting 8 year olds next to the dusty drum set
funniest farging thing you've ever said.
lmfao
jason peters played about as well as i expected he would.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2010, 10:50:57 PM
jason peters played about as well as i expected he would.
lol
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2010, 10:50:57 PM
jason peters played about as well as i expected he would.
pro. bowl.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
WHERE IS MY BEST fargING FRIEND REESE RIGHT NOW??????????
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE??? WHERE YOU AT MY stillupfront's mom?
ha....man thank god you made this thread. you were so right rome. I will now follow you wherever you go.
i wish to all hell i wasn't right about those pathetic losers but history has taught me well.
Watching McNabb miss a wide open DeSean Jackson followed by watching him throw behind a wide open Jeremy Macklin on third down followed by watching him drop a snap inside the 10 yard line followed by watching him throw behind a wide open Macklin on third down again followed by me turning the TV off was super.
Maclin, Rusty.
And that was a catchable ball, so what if it was on his back shoulder? It went right through his hands.
The entire team sucked balls yesterday.
Yeah that's what's annoying about the McNabb haters.....they don't give him any credit when they win, and blame it all on him when they lose.
No one here is "defending" McNabb in the sense of the way he played yesterday.....they're just smart enough to point out this was pretty much a group loss. Including McNabb.
mcnabb is bigger than the group you idiot.
and while maclin "could" have caught the ball, the fact was donovan missed a wide open wr on a panic throw. thats on him.
He didn't miss him. He put it where it should have been caught.
Those clowns were dropping balls all over that joint yesterday.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
Maclin, Rusty.
And that was a catchable ball, so what if it was on his back shoulder? It went right through his hands.
The entire team sucked balls yesterday.
no doubt it was catchable. I dont care if mcnabb rocketed it in there or not. if maclin reached one arm back then its uncatchable....right through the middle of two hands--no excuse. I can bet maclin took his eyes off it because he saw the open field. Hell..he took his eyes off the ball for 5 seconds on that sideline route and cried mommy.
lol, the dude was 20 yards wide open and you're giving him credit for throwing it where maclin could've caught it by twisting to catch it behind him
I think the backlash against McNabb would be significantly less had he not done his typical post game blame other people routine. What other franchise qb distributes blame so readily? If he wants to be the leader he so consistently professes he is, he mans up and puts the entire game on his shoulders. Listen to Brady or Manning or Brees after a loss.
He didn't play well. shtein happens. That isn't even what gets me anymore it's his entire farging attitude I can't stand.
if only Desean was older, darn it! then donovan would've hit him in stride on that deep pass!
Tom Jackson, former NFL player, and pretty much every other former or current NFL player will tell you if the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it.
And no, McNabb is not Tom BRady or Peyton Manning....if the rest of hte team is playing like shtein, he's not going to be able to get them to beat a good team. A zesty team, maybe, but not a good team like the Cowboys.
When the defense is getting raped, I'll blame the defense. Not McNabb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 03:36:20 PM
He didn't miss him. He put it where it should have been caught.
Those clowns were dropping balls all over that joint yesterday.
a 95 mph fastball 10 feet behind you isnt where it should have been.
mcnabb fired it behind maclin, who running full speed, reached his hands back into an area that happened to be right in between the ball was. its a tough play for him to make. but its doable. however, it never should have come to that. there was no reason for mcnabb to miss him like he did.
that play essentially defines mcnabbs career and its no shock that youre making him out to be the hero. he once again choked away a big game. enough with the excuses.
Oh, I get it. So the ball must be chest high, in front every single time? QBs aren't JUGS machines. But everyone seems to think every QB outside of Philadelphia possesses this pin-point accuracy and McNabb is the only guy who misses on throws.
He was running a cross and he had to reach shoulder level, poor guy!
He took his eye off of it.
it wasnt catchable unless you only watch it in a super slo mo replay then it "appears" catchable
having donovan have to hit a moving target in the 7-10 yard range is not what you call a high % throw
which unfortunately is at the heart of the west coast offense
its similar to putting shaq in a three poiint contest
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 03:37:52 PM
lol, the dude was 20 yards wide open and you're giving him credit for throwing it where maclin could've caught it by twisting to catch it behind him
never said it was a good throw--it was a disgusting lead pass...but it hit both hands square in the middle. and lets not pretend he had to make some kind of acrobatic reach back..cmon now
lol at "10 feet behind him"
He barely had to twist his body for it.....pretty much right at his back shoulder.
That's a ball that an NFL WR is supposed to catch. Jason Avant has made more than a few catches like that this year....why can't Maclin?
Oh...must be McNabb.
it's not like it was a sideline play where the back shoulder throw is the only throw to make. this was a farging crossing pattern where an accurate quarterback hits the guy in stride so he can run after the catch. should he have made the catch? yes. even if he would've made the catch, his YAC would've been cut down because of having to turn back to catch it. hit the mother farger in stride.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 04, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
Listen to Brady or Manning or Brees after a loss.
That's the thing. I don't want to listen to any of them after a loss, a win, a tie, practice, the birth of their first child, whatever. I just want to see these brain damaged millionaires do their friggin' jobs for three hours a week.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 03:37:52 PM
lol, the dude was 20 yards wide open and you're giving him credit for throwing it where macKlin could've caught it by twisting to catch it behind him
Exactly. What game were you people watching? I could have gotten that ball to him with more touch and I'm a noodle-armed choir boy.
the mcnabb homers know no bounds.
fact is tony romo is 10x better than him at this point. let that sink in.
No one is saying the throw shouldn't have been better. It should have.
The ball still hit the WR in both of his hands, and he should have caught it.
How is that concept hard to grasp?
Just as jewboy will say homers will find anyway to defend McNabb, the haters will try and find any reason to hate.
the ball was uncatchable not because of how far behind him it was but because he threw it 1000 miles per hour from ten inches away
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2010, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 04, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
Listen to Brady or Manning or Brees after a loss.
That's the thing. I don't want to listen to any of them after a loss, a win, a tie, practice, the birth of their first child, whatever. I just want to see these brain damaged millionaires do their friggin' jobs for three hours a week.
Well if McNabb had won 2 SBs already I'm sure he could say anything he wanted and people wouldn't give a farg. When the team loses and you come out with that typical bullshtein after the game is when shtein starts to hit the fan. His on field play is one thing. People should be used to it after ten seasons. It's what he says after the game that just compounds the situation that puts me over the ledge.
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 03:44:31 PM
the mcnabb homers know no bounds.
fact is tony romo is 10x better than him at this point. let that sink in.
And if Romo was the Eagles QB we'd hear people scream about throws that aren't cracking people's sternums.
Or his lack of being able to win a playoff game....etc and so on.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2010, 03:46:17 PM
the ball was uncatchable not because of how far behind him it was but because he threw it 1000 miles per hour from ten inches away
Hahaha exactly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 03:44:31 PM
the mcnabb homers know no bounds.
fact is tony romo is 10x better than him at this point. let that sink in.
And if Romo was the Eagles QB we'd hear people scream about throws that aren't cracking people's sternums.
thats not the issue.
the issue is hes tony romo, a choking dog of a qb, and hes better than mcnabb. that stings.
lol...unreal. Guy drops a ball that hits him in the hands because he was looking upfield and its the QBs fault.
Inaccurate!
10000mph ball!
Stop.
lol, please dispute that he is inaccurate. please do it.
hes not inaccurate when he plays pin the tail on wilmas cornhole
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 04, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2010, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 04, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
Listen to Brady or Manning or Brees after a loss.
That's the thing. I don't want to listen to any of them after a loss, a win, a tie, practice, the birth of their first child, whatever. I just want to see these brain damaged millionaires do their friggin' jobs for three hours a week.
Well if McNabb had won 2 SBs already I'm sure he could say anything he wanted and people wouldn't give a farg. When the team loses and you come out with that typical bullshtein after the game is when shtein starts to hit the fan. His on field play is one thing. People should be used to it after ten seasons. It's what he says after the game that just compounds the situation that puts me over the ledge.
Stop listening to that shtein. You'll be better off for it, and Feva will be out of a job.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
lol, please dispute that he is inaccurate. please do it.
He ain't no Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. But he's not as zesty as you make him out to be either. He throws worm burners and has zesty games, but my response to the incessant criticism of him is what QB doesn't throw bad balls now and then and what QB doesn't shtein the bed once in awhile? Other than Peyton Manning, that is.
lol, please dispute that he is not a good QB. please do it
at this point in his career, his is average.
about yea. hes in the carson palmer/matt ryan crowd.
lol, remember yesterday when Donovan got sacked and was trying to get away and the ref started to blow his whistle for in the grasp, but the tackle was already in progress? he immediately starts calling for a flag for late hit, lol. he knew the only way they were going to move the ball was by penalty. classic stuff.
So says the fans. But analysts and NFL commentators always seem to rank him up there.
ANd if he sucks so much and is terribly inaccurate, why would there be a sizable market for him?
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:07:49 PM
So says the fans. But analysts and NFL commentators always seem to rank him up there.
ANd if he sucks so much and is terribly inaccurate, why would there be a sizable market for him?
What? What market is there for him? Have the Eagles been bombarded with trade offers for McNabb that I managed to miss over the past 5 years?
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
lol, remember yesterday when Donovan got sacked and was trying to get away and the ref started to blow his whistle for in the grasp, but the tackle was already in progress? he immediately starts calling for a flag for late hit, lol. he knew the only way they were going to move the ball was by penalty. classic stuff.
hes become so shook against the blitz over the last couple seasons....he doesnt even try and make a play now...once he sees it coming he pulls the ball down panicks and looks for a place to hide
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
he doesnt get any respect because a. he hasnt won anything b. hes an entitled little bitch and c. he hates us
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:07:49 PM
So says the fans. But analysts and NFL commentators always seem to rank him up there.
ANd if he sucks so much and is terribly inaccurate, why would there be a sizable market for him?
What? What market is there for him? Have the Eagles been bombarded with trade offers for McNabb that I managed to miss over the past 5 years?
I don't think the Eagles have been shopping McNabb in the past. With the state of QB play elsewhere in the league, McNabb has enough years left as an above average QB that he'd get them something decent in return.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
you're right, his career 59.0 completion % screams ACCURACY
But he's not good enough to play QB for the Eagles, right?
the eagles have the best roster in football.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
you're right, his career 59.0 completion % screams ACCURACY
I was talking about yesterday.
I know what his career percentage is and know that he is not the best when it comes to completion percentage. But call a spade a spade and not turn every dropped ball (or completed ball, in Todd's case) into how inaccurate he is. That happens every week in the NFL - QBs get the ball out and guys have to make plays on poor throws.
The worst part is any dope here would know enough to offset his inaccuracies by running the ball....and NFL coaches who just got 3 year extensions can't seem to figure that out.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
you're right, his career 59.0 completion % screams ACCURACY
of all active qb's in the nfl right now mcnabb ranks 26th in completion %
not. good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:14:05 PM
But he's not good enough to play QB for the Eagles, right?
He's above average--probably somewhere around 10th-12th in the league if I was picking quarterbacks. When you get 10 years of that, at some point you just need to make a change. When you add 10 years of the same shtein coupled with the fact he throws everyone under the bus the first chance he gets, yes I'd rather take my chances with someone else. The Eagles have enough talent on offense for Kolb or whoever to run the offense proficiently. You get an ok package back for McNabb after the season (2nd + 5th and a conditional 2nd or 3rd is what I imagine they'd get) and I move him.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
you're right, his career 59.0 completion % screams ACCURACY
Dan Marino = 59.4%
Troy Aikman = 61.5%
Terry Bradshaw = 51.9%
Randall = 56.6%
John Elway = 56.9%
Dan Fouts = 58.8%
Jaws = 53.1%
Bernie Kosar = 59.3%
Eli Manning = 57%
Warren Moon = 58.4%
Jim Plunkett = 52.5%
Phil Simms = 55.4%
Roger Staubach = 57%
Bart Starr = 57.4%
Fran Tarkenton = 57%
Joe Theismann = 56.7%
Johnny Unitas = 54.6%
Doug Williams = 49.5%
Elway was only 56.9? damn...
that's been sitting on a PC clipboard for a rainy day, and it's mother farging pouring right now
lol...negative sir.
I just went to pro-football reference and looked 'em up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
Dan Marino = 59.4%
Troy Aikman = 61.5%
Terry Bradshaw = 51.9%
Randall = 56.6%
John Elway = 56.9%
Dan Fouts = 58.8%
Jaws = 53.1%
Bernie Kosar = 59.3%
Eli Manning = 57%
Warren Moon = 58.4%
Jim Plunkett = 52.5%
Phil Simms = 55.4%
Roger Staubach = 57%
Bart Starr = 57.4%
Fran Tarkenton = 57%
Joe Theismann = 56.7%
Johnny Unitas = 54.6%
Doug Williams = 49.5%
Live in the now, Phreak.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
of all active qb's in the nfl right now mcnabb ranks 26th in completion %
not. good.
joe thiesman's tibia snapping percentage is 50% which is also impressive
Well Sunny brought up career completion percentage, sir.
Passing in the NFL has been completely changed since most of those players have played. Look at WR stats as well. It's an entirely different league and by today's standards, McNabb is not accurate.
Comparing other successful West Coast Offense qbs would make a lot more sense, but ultimately it's neither here nor there.
You're right that the league has changed, but when people rip McNabb and compare him to everyone else there usually isn't the same disclaimers placed on the arguments when people say things like Jaws was the best Eagles QB or that McNabb will never be like Elway or someone like that
McNabb is exactly like Elway minus the leadership and Championships.
and late game winning drives
And instead of having athsma he has the gag-reflexes of bulimic four year old.
that's so young for an eating disorder :(
Some day we will be together rjs. Some day.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:54:52 PM
McNabb is exactly like Elway minus the leadership and Championships.
at this point in his career, the only real difference between elway and mcnabb is that elway had a couple of big playoff games (the drive) and 1 or 2 more SB appearances. it wasn't until elway's 13th (i believe) year that he finally won it all. not to mention that there was a pretty long period of time between super bowl appearances as well.
of course, the differences are still very apparent between the 2. you knew that elway would eventually win a superbowl if he was ever given a running game. he got one, then he won 2 in a row. mcnabb has the most complete offense that he's ever played with and he just got shut out in the biggest game of the year. and then blamed his teammates.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
Comparing other successful West Coast Offense qbs would make a lot more sense, but ultimately it's neither here nor there.
Young = 64.3% (65.8% if you take out the Tampa Bay years)
Montana = 63.2%
Gannon (Oakland only) = 62.6%
Favre = 62.0%
Hasselbeck = 60.1%
listing completion percentages for quarterbacks that played before the late 70's is ridiculous because receivers were mugged all over the field then. of course their percentages were going to be lower. hell, any quarterback that has played after around 1995 or so when the five yard rule began to be seriously called had a huge advantage over guys who played before that.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2010, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
Comparing other successful West Coast Offense qbs would make a lot more sense, but ultimately it's neither here nor there.
Young = 64.3% (65.8% if you take out the Tampa Bay years)
Montana = 63.2%
Gannon (Oakland only) = 62.6%
Favre = 62.0%
Hasselbeck = 60.1%
the first 4 speak for themselves, but would anyone really want hasselbeck over mcnabb?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
they luv them some donny in houston.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
he doesnt suck. no one is saying he sucks. hes just a bitch and a choke artist.
The bellyaching about his accuracy (on perfectly catchable balls) says otherwise. So does the lack of respect he gets in this city.
i think over the first 4 or 5 years of his career, mcnabb caught a lot of unwarranted crap from the fans. he was still young and as far as i was concerned, had more room to grow and was going to work on his accuracy and improve it. i felt that with experience would come savvy and that he would eventually find calmness in big moments and big games. but over the last 6 years he hasn't improved on anything. he reached his peek and he's been treading water ever since. if anything, you could say that because of his age and injuries, he's regressed a little since he's not the runner he used to be.
sometimes, the loss of superior athletic skills motivates an athlete to refine their game. see michael jordan. after his first retirement, he came back and was a little older, a little slower and a little less explosive. so he developed the sickest fade-away jumper ever seen. his raw athletic ability faded and he replaced it with knowledge. he studied more film. practiced harder. perfected every possible aspect of the game.
mcnabb hasn't done that. i hate to say it because i farging love the guy but it's time to face reality......he's inaccurate, slow, afraid of big games and does absolutely nothing to motivate and inspire his teammates. could he still get hot and roll the eagles through the playoffs? sure. anything's possible. i just don't see why anyone after 10 years of the same old, same old from him can still find a reason to say "yes he can" and actually believe it.
The funniest thing to me, over the last 11 years, is the way McNabb's slumps are handled. When he's off, they stop running the ball. No reason for this has ever been given. I think I have the answer.
There's a clause in McNabb's contract. It states that if he doesn't have 20 completions in a game, he gets to make a snuff film with the wife of any assistant coach on the team.
For the first four years as starter, McNabb could put the team on his shoulders and singlehandedly win games by juking somebody like Mark Carrier out of his shorts.
Now he doesn't even possess those skills and his accuraccy kills him and the team. McNabb is still plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl but not with a coach like Reid. Even though it's hard to say which one of them has learned less about the game over their 11 year career
I hear Jim Zorn's available. He can never win a SB either, but he'd be cheaper.
i don't see how play calling has anything to do with execution. he calls a screen, it gets rifled into mccoys eyeball. a moderate pass to maclin.. nope, nice try. a deep pass to pimp? not even close. he sees pressure from a blitz (if he even notices it) and panics instead of taking advantage of an open spot of the field. hell even snapping the ball in the redzone is a BFD. add it to the fact he's a mental midget and can't run anymore to offset his lack of sense in the pocket and inaccuracy issues and there you have donovan mcnabb. he's a chump.
someone asked if ya really wanted hasselback instead of mcnabb.. and it really wouldn't matter since he's lost just as many superbowls. you could even argue with maclin and pimp now, you probably want someone back there who can get them the ball more reliably.
i don't know if kolb's the answer but i know mcnabb should be finished in philly if he fails again. he won't be so our agony will continue. we probably deserve it, though, so...
You really think calling 8 called runs over the course of a game is good play calling? Really? Reid is a farging loser, and he's at least if not more to blame for most of the late season failures this team has endured. Getting rid of McNabb won't prevent all go routes being called while protecting a lead.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 04, 2010, 07:22:19 PM
McNabb is still plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl but not with a coach like Reid. Even though it's hard to say which one of them has learned less about the game over their 11 year career
This is true and made me vomitchucklecry.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 04, 2010, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2010, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
Comparing other successful West Coast Offense qbs would make a lot more sense, but ultimately it's neither here nor there.
Young = 64.3% (65.8% if you take out the Tampa Bay years)
Montana = 63.2%
Gannon (Oakland only) = 62.6%
Favre = 62.0%
Hasselbeck = 60.1%
the first 4 speak for themselves, but would anyone really want hasselbeck over mcnabb?
Angelo Cataldi said he'd take him over McNabb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 04, 2010, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2010, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
Comparing other successful West Coast Offense qbs would make a lot more sense, but ultimately it's neither here nor there.
Young = 64.3% (65.8% if you take out the Tampa Bay years)
Montana = 63.2%
Gannon (Oakland only) = 62.6%
Favre = 62.0%
Hasselbeck = 60.1%
the first 4 speak for themselves, but would anyone really want hasselbeck over mcnabb?
Angelo Cataldi said he'd take him over McNabb.
of course he would.
McNabb has really fallen down the pecking order. Schaub has surpassed him as a QB, so has Rodgers. Favre right now is a better QB than McNabb. Flacco might be as well, and has far less receiver weapons than McNabb.
I'd probably rank McNabb 10th in the league right now. Either him or Palmer interchangeable between 10 and 11.
Manning
Brees
Brady-if 100% healthy probably #2, but hasn't been healthy in 2 years
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Rodgers
Favre
Schaub
Flacco
McNabb/Palmer
I was talking about this today with someone who automatically assumed that McNabb was a top 10 QB in the league anymore, and you can make a strong case he isn't. I'd take all of those QBs right now for just one season over McNabb. McNabb has the playoff experience over a lot of them, but at the same time I can't name one thing McNabb does better than any of them right now except maybe read defenses. He certainly doesn't do that better than the top 3 of them at the very least.
Damn, realized I completely forgot about Matt Ryan too.
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It was a staggering statement, raw and honest. It was also necessary and long overdue.
The Eagles released Brian Westbrook a week ago today. From a football standpoint, it was the right thing to do. After eight years of impressive service, injuries and age and, sadly, too many concussions made the running back expendable. It was time to move on. No one should fault the organization for showing Westbrook the door, though the way they pushed him through it was typical of a franchise that's largely inept when it comes to P.R. and basic decency.
After saying goodbye to the only employer he's known in his NFL career, Westbrook revealed that he hadn't spoken with team president Joe Banner or owner Jeffrey Lurie. The Eagles issued a statement in which both Lurie and Banner gushed about him - Banner called him a "special person" and marveled at the way Westbrook interacted with Banner's children - but neither, according to Westbrook, bothered to pick up the phone and say "thanks" or "so long."
That the Eagles botched the farewell worse than an Asante Samuel tackle isn't shocking, but what Westbrook said after being cut was most certainly surprising. For years, Westbrook was a loyal company man, content to regurgitate all the proper, preapproved talking points at all the proper, preapproved times. He was sort of the anti-T.O. - doing and saying all the right things. He protected the organization.
Not anymore.
"The thing for them, the Eagles, it's always money. It's always dollar signs," Westbrook said on Dan Patrick's radio show. "If they can find someone to do it a little bit cheaper, they'll go with that guy."
He didn't say it with malice, didn't raise his voice or curse the front office. He just stated it simply, as though it's widely accepted as fact by anyone who knows anything about the way the Birds conduct business. When Patrick followed up and asked which is more important to the Eagles - stuffing more money into their already fat wallet or winning - Westbrook paused and thought hard before answering.
"I've seen them go the money route with so many players," Westbrook said. "I wouldn't know. You'd have to ask someone with the Eagles. With the players, winning is a priority. With the management, I would hope winning is the priority - but I don't know that."
It was a damning indictment of the franchise levied by the last person you'd expect to stand in judgment of the Eagles. It wasn't Terrell Owens questioning the team's true motivation. It wasn't Lito Sheppard or Sheldon Brown or Jeremiah Trotter or Hugh Douglas or any other past or present Eagle with a pattern of speaking his mind and challenging the organization. It was Westbrook, a man who was respected during his time here by the team and outsiders alike.
The Bird Brains out there - the small-minded sycophants who willfully submit to the Eagles brainwashing - will brand Westbrook disloyal and claim he's lashing out at the franchise for cutting him. The independent, on the other hand, will read his remarks and reel from the brutal candor.
The sentiment Westbrook expressed - that the Birds are more enamored with their bloated bank statement than anything else - is something some fans have wondered about and fretted over since Lurie packed his carpetbag and came south from New England. Lurie and Banner have grown the franchise into an enterprise worth more than $1 billion. To be fair, they've also helped assemble a team that's reached five NFC championships and a Super Bowl - no small thing. But while they've spent money over the years - on Jevon Kearse, Donovan McNabb, Samuel, et. al. - they've certainly made a lot, too.
And so you wonder: if they had spent a little more and made a little less, might the Eagles have hosted a parade by now? Given what Westbrook said, it's a legitimate question.
There's another concern here: How many other Eagles - gone and forgotten or still employed and wearing midnight green - feel the same way as Westbrook? How many doubt whether the Birds are committed to winning it all instead of winning just enough to make obscene money? Maybe the players don't need to fully believe in the front office and its leadership in order for a team to win the Super Bowl, but it can't hurt.
Westbrook leaves Philadelphia with impressive numbers. He's first in franchise history in yards from scrimmage, second in rushing, third in receptions and touchdowns. But of all the amazing things he did while he was in town, he might have saved his most impressive feat for last. He stood up and spoke out. He said what a lot of people in Philly were thinking, and he did it in a way the Eagles can't possibly ignore or discredit.
For that, he deserves to be cheered one final time.
who wrote that?
gonzo
first time i've ever agreed with that nimrod. he nailed it to the cross, though.
That shows how the Eagles FO really is; pretend that they are so caring and sympathetic and interested in winning but in reality they are cold bastiches. Thanks for the phone call, Jeff and Joe. I guess their hands were too full of money to pick up the horn and make a call.
the no phone call is pretty bad because of how great an eagle westbrook was...but if they hadnt called him and kept their mouths shut if would be nothing more than banner inc SOP...and mostly a non issue
what puts them over the top as the iceholes they are is how they came out in the media and waxed poetic about westbrook...clearly doing this not because they really care about 36 but because they are trying to make themselves look good...which is both pathetic and laughable...pathetic in how self absorbed they are telling us how much they care about a guy AFTER said player found out via a phone call from a friend that he was released and laughable that anyone would really buy their bullshtein
damn thats a sad read. no excuse for not saying thank you....none. parents obviously missed the boat on the whole manners thing
QuoteHow many doubt whether the Birds are committed to winning it all instead of winning just enough to make obscene money?
this has been my anthem for about 4 or 5 years now.
The funny thing is they're going to make obscene amounts of money no matter what. Hell, they signed a convicted felon who tortured animals for fun last year, and they still managed to make dump trucks full of cabbage.
I know players whine about money, which is absurd in itself, but when a guy like Westbrook comes out and trashes the way you do business with your employees, you have to adjust your thinking a bit, right?
LOL - what am I saying...?? :-D
lurie wants to make money. i don't fault him for that at all. but what i don't get is why he doesn't seem to understand that eagles fan are so hard up for a super bowl trophy that if he actually assembled a legit contender and they actually win it all, his investment would get returned 10x over.
but i can only imagine that lurie's logic is that spending money on talent doesn't guarantee a championship and that if he does spend the money and the eagles still fall short, then he's the one who winds up on the losing end (because he only made $xmillion instead of $ymillion). because as we've already seen on 4 different occasions, the eagles can get to the nfccg for minimal cost and make him a boat load of cash in the process. basically, as far as lurie is concerned, the possibility of playing in one more game isn't worth the money it would cost to give the eagles a shot at winning it.
the only way things change is if you hit him there where it hurts. and last time i checked, we were still willing to spend 200 on a sunday afternoon so jeff still wins.
It certainly appears that way, Sarge. That makes Lurie/Banner/Reid's condescending speeches about 'gold standards', 'going for it all', and 'most talented roster' all the more infuriating.
I hope they at least put his number in unofficial retirement. I don't want to see some camp body wearing 36 in a preseason game.
in an effort to prevent my hatred of ownership and the front office from carrying over to the team itself, i banned myself from even looking at pe.com about 6 or 7 years ago because the only useful, untainted info they have is the season schedule and i can get that anywhere. now i'm taking my self imposed boycott a step further and i'm going to try and avoid anything that has to do with the executive levels of this team. if banner, reid, lurie or howie make a statement, i'm not watching, listening or reading. i simply don't care anymore. it's not worth it to read their dribble and get excited or angry about what they say or do and how they say or do it.
from now on, i'm only involving myself on the football side of things. root for them on sunday, commend the players and coaches for the things they do well and rip them for the things they don't. don't care about the draft. don't care about free agency because both of them are going to go according to the "business model" rather than what actually might be best for the team.
as a team, i love them. as an organization, i farging hate everything about them and would honestly prefer 10 years of rich kotite, dana bible and bobby hoying over another year of reid, banner and lurie. pretty much everyone invovled with that organization that doesn't suit up on sundays can kiss my scrote.
the cheerleaders are nice.
QuoteI thank you all for your opinions. I have absolutely no problem defending the organization, because I believe in what the organization does and I believe in how it treats the players. Have they made mistakes? Of course. But by and large, the Eagles are fantastic to the players. As for the "business over winning" nonsense, we have talked about it many times. It is simply not true. You want to make all the money in the world? Go win the Super Bowl. The Eagles have proven time and time again that they are committed to winning and to putting themselves in position to compete for a title. If it were a "guarantee" that signing a certain player would win a Super Bowl, they would do it. There are no such guarantees in this great game and in this great league. Brian Westbrook was treated wonderfully in his time as an Eagle and he will be remembered as a great player here and a great person. I don't think I need to say any more.
He should have stopped after "opinions".
Nauseating.
all time classic response from spadaro? thats got to be up there.
wow, his response actually makes me want to punch something.
My favorite part is when he says the team has made mistakes, yet they go unspecified.
He's right when he says they put themselves in position to compete for a title. That means they're able to make the playoffs consistently. Unfortunately, they don't put themselves in position to win that title.
Thank you god for Spring Training and that hopeful, positive, excited feeling. Oh and god, can you send down a lightening bolt on the Novacare Complex?
Didn't god just try to kill you with a tidal wave?
Nah, god was just farging with them
the eagles made the superbowl then had an offseason that consisted of mike macmahon....that is NOT a committment to winning it all
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There are no such guarantees in this great game and in this great league. Brian Westbrook was treated wonderfully in his time as an Eagle and he will be remembered as a great player here and a great person.
GREAT!!
not to think too far ahead but i keep wondering how the nfl/eagles will handle season tickets come 2011 if there is a lockout. will we have to pay to keep our tickets and let the team sit on our money and earn the interest while we sit back and watch millionares and billionares have a vag battle royale ?
i would think so....the invoice for tickets comes out prior to the start of the new nfl calender year...which is when i presume a lockout would occur
total bullshtein, my dad gave his tickets to me in 87 when they made him pay for replacement players which was a slap in the face. i thought it may be different this time around considering they can not use scabs.
so once again both sides will go on & on about how the other side is screwing over the fans while both have their fists rammed elbow deep up our arses.
well i dont know this for sure....its just my opinion but i cant imagine they wont ask for the money...it will be like a squirrel burying nuts for the winter
i actually dont mind it...its not like we will be paying for games that arent played...or in the case of the scabs for games that are not NFL worthy
well no doubt the money would roll to the following season but it's the point of the teams being allowed to earn the interest off the millions & millions off ticket money while not delivering a product.
just to throw numbers out there - nothing concrete of course but say there are 60k season ticket holders and they all pay $700. that mneans the team can earn the interest off of $42mil while they have next to zero overhead as there would be no games, thus no payroll for coaches, players and all the way down to the ushers.
i get your point and its a fair one...but not something i personally care about...i dont really care what the team makes especially if they arent taking more money from my pocket...i guess technically id be losing out on a few bucks of interest on the 700 but thats not enough to really get me angry
i would be way more upset if say the league didnt play the 2011 season then in february of 2012 they raised our ticket prices because they didnt have their normal revenue streams for an entire year
yeah what upsets me is the owners wwill be crying poor while earning that interest and then most likely as you pointed out raise ticket prices while using the excuse that they lost money in 2011.