No offensive rhythm for the second week in a row.
McNabb missing wide open guys, then checks it down for a short gain or a loss
Special teams are inept (punting and having to call a time out)
Offensive Line not opening up many holes and allowing way too much pressure
Other than Jackson, Witherspoon and the defensive line the rest of 'em sucked.
If they were playing a real NFL team they would have gotten their asses kicked.
Fix it, Andy.
I think the sloppiest win ever still goes to an Eagles/Giants game. Either the Westbrook punt return game, or the first time McNabb beat them in his career.
lol @ fix it
aint no fixin
this is it
Quote from: General_Failure on October 26, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
I think the sloppiest win ever still goes to an Eagles/Giants game. Either the Westbrook punt return game, or the first time McNabb beat them in his career.
Good points on both....the Westbrook PR game, they had like 60 yards passing. AT least in the 10-9 Thrash game they were solid on STs and defense.
This was abysmal. For an offensive coach, his offense sure fargs up alot.
Terribly frustrating game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 26, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
I think the sloppiest win ever still goes to an Eagles/Giants game. Either the Westbrook punt return game, or the first time McNabb beat them in his career.
Good points on both....the Westbrook PR game, they had like 60 yards passing. AT least in the 10-9 Thrash game they were solid on STs and defense.
This was abysmal. For an offensive coach, his offense sure fargs up alot.
Terribly frustrating game.
Extension!
McNabb fargs up a lot. The line fargs up an average amount.
It wasn't even just a win. It was a huge blowout. And they still looked horrible. Says a lot about the Skins.
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
17 points isn't really huge, is it? And it ended at 10 points, so there's that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
The Kolb era doesn't start behind this line.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
No cornerback in the world could have caught those McNabb passes today. No wide receiver in the world either.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
I know.. I was being sarcastic...
Remember when this line was the best ever on paper to start the year? wooo!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
Whatever. They aren't going anywhere with Donnie anyway. I know Kolb has some growing pains to go through but they have to give him a shot. McNabb is done.
Some more gems from tonight:
Another TE, a guy who hasn't done shtein in his career, worked them over. Can they please cover the TE sometime this decade? Its not like they are leaving him open because they are locking down on backs and wideouts, because they are getting their catches and runs too.
Fred Davis = 8 catches - 68 yards first carer TD
Devin Thomas, a total bust thus far, first career TD on a play where they didn't even cover him. AND he was wide open later in the game and they were saved by Rabach sucking at snapping.
Campbell was 29/43. Bad.
LeSean McCoy...14 carries for 37 yards....great job, Shady. It ain't all his fault, but damn cut outside once in awhile.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
Whatever. They aren't going anywhere with Donnie anyway. I know Kolb has some growing pains to go through but they have to give him a shot. McNabb is done.
Negative, man. He has played like shtein two weeks in row, but he is far from done.
Listening the Reid's press conference makes me want to stab him in the eye more than I want to normally. Jesus Christ I can't stand him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: bowzer on October 26, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
The Giants are going to stomp their faces if they play like this again. I don't care how good the defense is playing, if they aren't sustaining drives then Eli will pick their asses apart when the defense is praying for oxygen.
15-25 156 yards and a TD for McNabb.
Great game, Donny.
Time for the Cobb era?
Let's not get crazy. Because as much as McNabb may kill worms or miss a guy, he isn't giving away points with picks.
Whatever. They aren't going anywhere with Donnie anyway. I know Kolb has some growing pains to go through but they have to give him a shot. McNabb is done.
Negative, man. He has played like shtein two weeks in row, but he is far from done.
I've always supported Donovan here, but I'm done with it. I appreciate what he's done for Philadelphia but I see no light at the end of the tunnel with him. If he has more left and goes on and proves it somewhere else, good for him. I've moved on for better or worse.
Kolb time.
The wildcat? END IT. What a monumental waste. They don't execute it well. They don't block it well. Newsflash, Andy...you ain't the Dolphins. Wanna run it? Use the farging fat fargs on the OL and the REAL FB and pound it.
Why do other teams WR bubble screens gain huge yards but the Eagles get tagged for a yard or two and then a loss?
You guys seem to be missing the big thing here, no matter how many times I point it out. Andy isn't going to send Kolb out there to be killed behind this line. This year is for McNabb to squeak into the playoffs, get Andy a new deal, and maybe get the young guys a couple million routes run in real games before they're all handed over to Kolb.
The only way Kolb starts again this year is if that awful line gets McNabb killed. Save your clamoring for the offseason.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:05:04 AMDevin Thomas, a total bust thus far, first career TD on a play where they didn't even cover him. AND he was wide open later in the game and they were saved by Rabach sucking at snapping.
It was the exact same play and the Eagles bit on it the exact same way. Didn't anyone on the sideline show them pics of the first TD?
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:11:08 AM
You guys seem to be missing the big thing here, no matter how many times I point it out. Andy isn't going to send Kolb out there to be killed behind this line. This year is for McNabb to squeak into the playoffs, get Andy a new deal, and maybe get the young guys a couple million routes run in real games before they're all handed over to Kolb.
The only way Kolb starts again this year is if that awful line gets McNabb killed. Save your clamoring for the offseason.
Then time to root for McNabb to get killed.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 27, 2009, 12:12:24 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:05:04 AMDevin Thomas, a total bust thus far, first career TD on a play where they didn't even cover him. AND he was wide open later in the game and they were saved by Rabach sucking at snapping.
It was the exact same play and the Eagles bit on it the exact same way. Didn't anyone on the sideline show them pics of the first TD?
Obviously not.
Just like with the naked boot legs with the TE rolling out. Those idiots had two plays work for them, the roll out and the goal line play to Thomas and they looked lost two times on both.
If McNabb gets killed behind this line, with his ability to avoid sacks, how do you think your new golden boy will do?
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:11:08 AM
You guys seem to be missing the big thing here, no matter how many times I point it out. Andy isn't going to send Kolb out there to be killed behind this line. This year is for McNabb to squeak into the playoffs, get Andy a new deal, and maybe get the young guys a couple million routes run in real games before they're all handed over to Kolb.
The only way Kolb starts again this year is if that awful line gets McNabb killed. Save your clamoring for the offseason.
I get it and I don't disagree with it in theory. I also know Reid isn't going to Kolb so it's pointless to talk about.
The problem is Kolb will inevitably go through some struggles once he starts and I'd rather have those take place this year than next season.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:14:31 AM
If McNabb gets killed behind this line, with his ability to avoid sacks, how do you think your new golden boy will do?
Well, he's gotten hurt on multiple occasions without it being the fault of the offensive line. Maybe it will happen again. Maybe he'll do his Michael Jackson end zone dance and blow out a hammy.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:14:31 AM
If McNabb gets killed behind this line, with his ability to avoid sacks, how do you think your new golden boy will do?
Two options:
1. Look like Campbell tonight...sack, fumble, strip sack, batted balls....
2. Get crushed
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:11:08 AM
You guys seem to be missing the big thing here, no matter how many times I point it out. Andy isn't going to send Kolb out there to be killed behind this line. This year is for McNabb to squeak into the playoffs, get Andy a new deal, and maybe get the young guys a couple million routes run in real games before they're all handed over to Kolb.
The only way Kolb starts again this year is if that awful line gets McNabb killed. Save your clamoring for the offseason.
I get it and I don't disagree with it in theory. I also know Reid isn't going to Kolb so it's pointless to talk about.
The problem is Kolb will inevitably go through some struggles once he starts and I'd rather have those take place this year than next season.
Kolb struggling this season could mean not making the playoffs. Not making the playoffs might mean Andy doesn't get his extension. You see the problem now.
Also, for those wanting to replace 5...
How much are his ribs affecting his throws? I think he's still bothered by them.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:17:33 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:11:08 AM
You guys seem to be missing the big thing here, no matter how many times I point it out. Andy isn't going to send Kolb out there to be killed behind this line. This year is for McNabb to squeak into the playoffs, get Andy a new deal, and maybe get the young guys a couple million routes run in real games before they're all handed over to Kolb.
The only way Kolb starts again this year is if that awful line gets McNabb killed. Save your clamoring for the offseason.
I get it and I don't disagree with it in theory. I also know Reid isn't going to Kolb so it's pointless to talk about.
The problem is Kolb will inevitably go through some struggles once he starts and I'd rather have those take place this year than next season.
Kolb struggling this season could mean not making the playoffs. Not making the playoffs might mean Andy doesn't get his extension. You see the problem now.
And more people aren't on board with this why?
I don't necessarily think Kolb will do any better than McNabb but I'm willing to take my chances at this point. Everyone else is right though, if they don't run the ball it won't matter who is at QB.
I can't wait till Kolb is the starting QB and blows.
Did you morons forget who he played against? If he is an average NFL QB then the Eagles lucked out big time.
He can be an average QB surrounded by incredible talent. If the line holds up next year, he'll overtake Romo has the most overhyped worthless QB in the NFL.
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:25:39 AM
I can't wait till Kolb is the starting QB and blows.
Did you morons forget who he played against? If he is an average NFL QB then the Eagles lucked out big time.
Must have missed people on this site riding Kolb's jock. I think people are just tired of this entire regime.
It's not exactly like McNabb's taking apart feared defenses in Carolina/TB/Oakland etc either.
This was not a great win. Lets not forget the fact that Washington for all their warts still has a very good defense. It probably won't hold up much longer. But a win is a win is a win.
There is no one that wants Reid out of here more than me, but he isn't going anywhere. So the best we can hope for is that they catch lightning in a bottle.
Lol Phreak at you already saying the Giants will kill them. Not that it won't happen, but this team plays NFC East opponents tough almost always. This team definitely is not very good right now, but lets wait a little before we write their obituary.
My thinking on Reid & McNabb is this:
You have two proven commodities. For all of their rough spots and problems, they have been very successful in a league that usually doesn't allow the type of longevity and success we have seen with them.
Take a look around the league at teams who have struggled for years to find the right coach and QB combination. It's not easy to find good coaches or good QBs.
Reid has his flaws. The play calling, the clock management, we all know the lists. For him and McNabb.
But if you can Reid...what happens if you don't find another competent HC? What if they take a shot on a young assistant like Schwartz, Haley, Spagnuolo and it bombs? That's more likely than finding a Josh McDaniels.
What if you bring in a good ol' boy re-tread like Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, Jim Mora Jr, John Fox, or Herm Edwards? That's more likely to happen than striking gold with a guy like Rex Ryan.
The odds aren't in their favor. Guess wrong the first time, and its back to square one. Then you have players who were drafted by the first regime and you have a carousel at HC working with players who aren't his.
Same goes with McNabb. How long have teams tried to find that franchise QB? Its hard.
The best option, in my opinion, is for these guys to get it right. To fix and polish what they have started.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Reid has his flaws. The play calling, the clock management, we all know the lists. For him and McNabb.
So essentially, Reid's flaws are just the game day stuff.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2009, 12:33:42 AM
This was not a great win. Lets not forget the fact that Washington for all their warts still has a very good defense. It probably won't hold up much longer. But a win is a win is a win.
There is no one that wants Reid out of here more than me, but he isn't going anywhere. So the best we can hope for is that they catch lightning in a bottle.
Lol Phreak at you already saying the Giants will kill them. Not that it won't happen, but this team plays NFC East opponents tough almost always. This team definitely is not very good right now, but lets wait a little before we write their obituary.
The Giants have one of the best DL's in the league. = The Eagles OL has problems blocking
The Eagles have a very good DL and pressure package = The Giants have a great OL
Eli knows how to handle the pressure. If they blitz and don't get there, Smith, Manningham and Nicks are going to walk into the end zone. And don't forget Kevin Boss. He'll probably have 10 catches.
I don't like the match up, especially with them coming off two straight losses.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 12:36:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Reid has his flaws. The play calling, the clock management, we all know the lists. For him and McNabb.
So essentially, Reid's flaws are just the game day stuff.
Yeah, and we can add in the whole never deviating from the game plan and thinking on the fly
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
My thinking on Reid & McNabb is this:
You have two proven commodities. For all of their rough spots and problems, they have been very successful in a league that usually doesn't allow the type of longevity and success we have seen with them.
Take a look around the league at teams who have struggled for years to find the right coach and QB combination. It's not easy to find good coaches or good QBs.
Reid has his flaws. The play calling, the clock management, we all know the lists. For him and McNabb.
But if you can Reid...what happens if you don't find another competent HC? What if they take a shot on a young assistant like Schwartz, Haley, Spagnuolo and it bombs? That's more likely than finding a Josh McDaniels.
What if you bring in a good ol' boy re-tread like Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, Jim Mora Jr, John Fox, or Herm Edwards? That's more likely to happen than striking gold with a guy like Rex Ryan.
The odds aren't in their favor. Guess wrong the first time, and its back to square one. Then you have players who were drafted by the first regime and you have a carousel at HC working with players who aren't his.
Same goes with McNabb. How long have teams tried to find that franchise QB? Its hard.
The best option, in my opinion, is for these guys to get it right. To fix and polish what they have started.
I don't think anyone can disagree with any of this. That being said, at some point you have to decide whether being competitive and having a reasonably high floor is acceptable anymore. Just because there aren't any guaranteed better options doesn't mean you don't pull the trigger at some point.
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
I agree.
Do you have a VORP like stat to show his value?
To be fair, McNabb shouldn't be smiling about orphan babies having AIDS.
Every team in the NFL right now has serious flaws, even the Saints. One thing I will give Reid as much as he pisses me off, is his teams almost always play well after October. Right now the Eagles are an OK football team.
Their defense almost worries more than their offense. As crappy as their oline has been they still have some explosive players. If their defense can play better they may have chance.
And then January rolls around and he becomes eminently beatable once more.
Like I said: thanks Don, it's been fun. They aren't winning with him or Kolb at QB this year and I think he's gone after this season, so I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way this year with Kolb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
I agree.
Do you have a VORP like stat to show his value?
I don't think so, but DVOA said the Eagles were the second best team in the NFL coming into the week I think.
It favors pass heavy offenses, but it had the Eagles as the second best team in the NFC pretty much all year last year so hey maybe there is something to it.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2009, 12:43:44 AM
Every team in the NFL right now has serious flaws, even the Saints.
The Saints got rid of all their flaws when they did away with the defense completely. Bam! No problems there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2009, 12:33:42 AM
This was not a great win. Lets not forget the fact that Washington for all their warts still has a very good defense. It probably won't hold up much longer. But a win is a win is a win.
There is no one that wants Reid out of here more than me, but he isn't going anywhere. So the best we can hope for is that they catch lightning in a bottle.
Lol Phreak at you already saying the Giants will kill them. Not that it won't happen, but this team plays NFC East opponents tough almost always. This team definitely is not very good right now, but lets wait a little before we write their obituary.
The Giants have one of the best DL's in the league. = The Eagles OL has problems blocking
The Eagles have a very good DL and pressure package = The Giants have a great OL
Eli knows how to handle the pressure. If they blitz and don't get there, Smith, Manningham and Nicks are going to walk into the end zone. And don't forget Kevin Boss. He'll probably have 10 catches.
I don't like the match up, especially with them coming off two straight losses.
I feel what you're saying Phreak but I watched a good portion of that last Giants game and they looked almost as putrid as the Eagles. Recievers dropping balls. Eli throwing picks no run game to speak of and the defense getting no pressure whatsoever. They would have been murderlized even worse if not for the lucky tipped pass that went for some sixty yards.
The problem with this iteration of Reids offense is that it mirrors the '05 offense: it's all or nothing, feast or famine. I hope Westy is healthy enough to go because he seems to really give them the business running right at those vaunted pass rushers of theirs. I think the recievers can and will get open on their secondary that is of little concern to me. What is is what always is: the health of Westbroook.
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:46:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
I agree.
Do you have a VORP like stat to show his value?
I don't think so, but DVOA said the Eagles were the second best team in the NFL coming into the week I think.
It favors pass heavy offenses, but it had the Eagles as the second best team in the NFC pretty much all year last year so hey maybe there is something to it.
Should I know what DVOA is? :sly
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:44:35 AM
And then January rolls around and he becomes eminently beatable once more.
Like I said: thanks Don, it's been fun. They aren't winning with him or Kolb at QB this year and I think he's gone after this season, so I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way this year with Kolb.
Yeah he really played bad in the Cardinals game.
Why doesn't Dawkins get any blame for the unit he supposedly leads choking away a game that was in hand? Big time players come up big right? I mean he was running really fast after Fitzgerald, but I don't think that counts.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:47:52 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:46:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
I agree.
Do you have a VORP like stat to show his value?
I don't think so, but DVOA said the Eagles were the second best team in the NFL coming into the week I think.
It favors pass heavy offenses, but it had the Eagles as the second best team in the NFC pretty much all year last year so hey maybe there is something to it.
Should I know what DVOA is? :sly
A metric on football outsiders. It's supposed to tell who the best teams are adjusting for luck and what not I think.
I'm not so sure about the practicality of it though. Its not as cut and dry as baseball. Too many variables to account for.
I'
Donovan played one of the worst first halves in the NFCCG that I've ever seen last year.
This isn't even about McNabb. The team isn't winning this year regardless of who is at QB. Might as well see what they have with Kolb, but thanks for inserting Dawkins (???) randomly into the conversation.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2009, 12:33:42 AM
This was not a great win. Lets not forget the fact that Washington for all their warts still has a very good defense. It probably won't hold up much longer. But a win is a win is a win.
There is no one that wants Reid out of here more than me, but he isn't going anywhere. So the best we can hope for is that they catch lightning in a bottle.
Lol Phreak at you already saying the Giants will kill them. Not that it won't happen, but this team plays NFC East opponents tough almost always. This team definitely is not very good right now, but lets wait a little before we write their obituary.
The Giants have one of the best DL's in the league. = The Eagles OL has problems blocking
The Eagles have a very good DL and pressure package = The Giants have a great OL
Eli knows how to handle the pressure. If they blitz and don't get there, Smith, Manningham and Nicks are going to walk into the end zone. And don't forget Kevin Boss. He'll probably have 10 catches.
I don't like the match up, especially with them coming off two straight losses.
I feel what you're saying Phreak but I watched a good portion of that last Giants game and they looked almost as putrid as the Eagles. Recievers dropping balls. Eli throwing picks no run game to speak of and the defense getting no pressure whatsoever. They would have been murderlized even worse if not for the lucky tipped pass that went for some sixty yards.
The problem with this iteration of Reids offense is that it mirrors the '05 offense: it's all or nothing, feast or famine. I hope Westy is healthy enough to go because he seems to really give them the business running right at those vaunted pass rushers of theirs. I think the recievers can and will get open on their secondary that is of little concern to me. What is is what always is: the health of Westbroook.
I saw it too, D...but I don't think they will come out and stink the joint up again. I hope the Eagles throttle their asses, but I just can't see it happening unless their OL gets night and day better.
The fact that the Giants running game is non-existent compared to years past is good news. Jacobs isn't himself and Bradshaw, while explosive, hasn't been great. If they can force Eli to throw repeatedly by either taking a huge lead or by eliminating the run game, it will help immensely.
If they are going to beat the Giants, they have to be able to exploit that secondary of theirs. Actually their pass defense as a whole. And the only way they can do that is if 5 has time.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
Donovan played one of the worst first halves in the NFCCG that I've ever seen last year.
This isn't even about McNabb. The team isn't winning this year regardless of who is at QB. Might as well see what they have with Kolb, but thanks for inserting Dawkins (???) randomly into the conversation.
McNabb is under contract next year correct?
I'll take McNabb in a wheelchair over Kolb.
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:52:51 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
Donovan played one of the worst first halves in the NFCCG that I've ever seen last year.
This isn't even about McNabb. The team isn't winning this year regardless of who is at QB. Might as well see what they have with Kolb, but thanks for inserting Dawkins (???) randomly into the conversation.
McNabb is under contract next year correct?
I'll take McNabb in a wheelchair over Kolb.
Yep. I believe they guaranteed next year too
Jacobs has been close to awful. I agree with Displaced the Giants have played really bad as well. That is concerning because they are going to be backed in a corner, but this is a game if the Eagles o-line plays well that they can win.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:52:51 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
Donovan played one of the worst first halves in the NFCCG that I've ever seen last year.
This isn't even about McNabb. The team isn't winning this year regardless of who is at QB. Might as well see what they have with Kolb, but thanks for inserting Dawkins (???) randomly into the conversation.
McNabb is under contract next year correct?
I'll take McNabb in a wheelchair over Kolb.
Yep. I believe they guaranteed next year too
Where did you see that?
Take McNabb in a wheelchair. I have no problem with people who still want Donovan here. I'm not one of them but I hope he does well with whatever remaining time he has in Philly.
He'll do just well enough to break your heart every year and keep Reid on the sidelines.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:56:48 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:52:51 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 27, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
Donovan played one of the worst first halves in the NFCCG that I've ever seen last year.
This isn't even about McNabb. The team isn't winning this year regardless of who is at QB. Might as well see what they have with Kolb, but thanks for inserting Dawkins (???) randomly into the conversation.
McNabb is under contract next year correct?
I'll take McNabb in a wheelchair over Kolb.
Yep. I believe they guaranteed next year too
Where did you see that?
Take McNabb in a wheelchair. I have no problem with people who still want Donovan here. I'm not one of them but I hope he does well with whatever remaining time he has in Philly.
Nevermind, its not guaranteed but they did give him a raise.
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Donovan McNabb and the Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to restructure the final two years of his contract.
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The five-time Pro Bowler was due to make $9.2 million this season and $10 million next season. ESPN's Michael Smith reported the two-year deal is worth $24.5 million, with another $1 million in incentives.
McNabb, who is entering his 11th season with the Eagles, had been seeking a contract extension. Instead, he'll get a raise.
Eagles will beat the Giants next week.
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
Man you are getting defensive. What is the big deal if someone wants a change at QB? It isn't like McNabb is this 3 time Superbowl champion.
Quote from: King Cole on October 27, 2009, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on October 27, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
McNabb has a cold streak every year, people cry about it every year, and then he goes insane and is unbeatable for half the year.
Plus it doesn't help his ribs are broken.
McNabb could fall on a grenade saving aids ridden orphan babies and people would complain that he fell on it with a smile on his face.
He's not playing well. His track record and recent history says he will turn it around. Get some perspective and your baby blanket and calm down.
Man you are getting defensive. What is the big deal if someone wants a change at QB? It isn't like McNabb is this 3 time Superbowl champion.
Don't get it twisted though, he still is the Eagles' best chance at becoming a 1 time Super Bowl champion.
andys play calling was the worst of his entire career tonight....it was inexcusable and basically beyond comprehension
up 17 inside your own 5 and you are in a shotgun
its a game where the only possible chance you can lose is if the defense of the skins gets a touchdown....and basically andy is doing whatever he can to accomodate them
the wildcat is a joke...this coaching staff is a joke and the team is a joke
BLOW. IT. UP.
Thank god the skins are so bad. Take away a few of those miscues and they win this game. Just an all around zesty game. Sloppy, boring, suckfest all around.
I actually fell asleep at halftime. Judging by what I've read here and elsewhere I didn't miss much.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 27, 2009, 03:59:43 AM
Thank god the skins are so bad. Take away a few of those miscues and they win this game.
If the Skins had a better coach, quarterback, guy who calls their plays, offensive line, receivers, and running back, they might have had a chance.
Yeah Reid can't close games at all. The timeout before the punt in the 3rd quarter, classic fail. McNabb got sacked waaay too much in the 4th thanks to Reids inability to run the ball, and to manage the clock. Kept passing when McNabb showed all 4 quarters he was off and off bad. But you gotta have faith in the system! Thats Reids philosophy. Pray and the mormon gods will give you baby pimp jesus. FML. And farg this pathetic coach we are stuck with
Quote from: Rome on October 27, 2009, 05:52:53 AM
I actually fell asleep passed out from grain alcohol at halftime. Judging by what I've read here and elsewhere I didn't miss much.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2009, 03:26:10 AM
andys play calling was the worst of his entire career tonight....it was inexcusable and basically beyond comprehension
up 17 inside your own 5 and you are in a shotgun
its a game where the only possible chance you can lose is if the defense of the skins gets a touchdown....and basically andy is doing whatever he can to accomodate them
the wildcat is a joke...this coaching staff is a joke and the team is a joke
BLOW. IT. UP.
I actually YELLED at the TV last night because of it. I was like, "ITS NOT WORKING...STOP!"
Andy's gameplan hasn't worked right in eleven years. We all wanted him to change it up. This is what he came up with. We only have ourselves to blame.
Im just curious--how many qb's around league are talking around the line of scrimmage, calling the MIKE out, signaling to his receivers, etc.
I saw Mcnabb once audible to a run and was frankly shocked by it. his ability to adjust and read defenses are an eye-sore...especially since he is in the shotgun 85% of the time and can see the entire defensive alignment. I wait for him to do something before the snap and its just the same lift leg, hike, think I can be the elusive qb 5 years ago and change on the fly...run for your life. the guy baffles me
and Jason Peters makes my eyes bleed for any kind of all-pro anything. whatever he did in the past was a mirage because damn is he one slow ass beef truck. he could be a big hurt piece for them going forward if hes not already.
you know what he did in the past?
gave up the most sacks in the nfl
supposedly he did something on the field to earn him all pro status--Ill be over here when someone can tell me what it was
Quote from: reese125 on October 27, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
damn is he one slow ass beef truck. he could be a big hurt piece for them going forward
one of the best things i've ever read on here.
Regardless of how people feel the Giants did against the Cardinals, the Eagles have less than a 1% chance of winning that game. Seriously, the Eagles beat the Panthers, Bucs, Chiefs, and taterskins, and they should have legitimately lost to the Skins.
The wins against the Bucs and Skins were less than inspiring. Without two big offensive plays and some "lucky" defensive plays, the Eagles lose.
who the farg have the giants beaten?
both these teams blow.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2009, 03:26:10 AM
andys play calling was the worst of his entire career tonight....it was inexcusable and basically beyond comprehension
up 17 inside your own 5 and you are in a shotgun
WTF?!? I couldn't believe that crap. No wonder our o-line looks like crap with that kind of shtein going on.
Two big plays by Pimp, and the D taking advantage of the sorry ass taterskin offense is the only reason the Eagles won this game. No way in hell they beat the Giants. Not with this gameplan or playing like they did Monday night. They were rip for the pickin' and the taterskins are just soooo friggen' bad they couldn't take advantage of it.
shtein forget the awful skins game we are still only 10 days out from the eagles losing to the oakland raiders....that bears repeating....the eagles LOST TO THE OAKLAND RAIDERS!
that said they can beat the giants simply because the giants secondary is brutal...however i have little confidence in donovan and the offense being able to exploit it
its only a matter of time before mcnabb gets his accuracy back in order. he always does this. course, the bigger picture could be his injury. reid keeps putting him in positions to get hit well then, we'll have a repeat of years before. i wouldn't be surprised if McNabb goes down for the year again at some point.
define "get it back" because mcnabb is playing right now the same way hes essentially played his whole career minus the TO year...so really youre saying hes going to be come better this year than ever before
no IGY your hatred for McNabb is more obvious than anything. Mcnabb has struggled before, we all know this. He goes through stages during the season where he just isn't accurate as he normally is. He'll get back on track, I know he will, he's done it time and time again. Right now he looks like shtein and I really wish he could get it together because its pathetic. Why Reid throws more than any coach in NFL history with a QB that isn't the most accurate and goes through periods of just sucking hard is beyond me. If they had a balanced offense I think McNabb wouldn't have so much riding on him all the time. In fact I think he could excel consistently with a balanced offense. He's no Brady or P. Manning, he's McNabb. But hey, who's questioning the mastermind of a coach like Andy Reid with such a high win percentage and numerous playoff APPEARANCES.
oooo playoff appearances
who doesnt love a qb so good that he cant beat kurt warner, brad johnson and jake delhomme in playoff games?
how is it hatred to say hes playing as he has for the majority of his career
he averages 21 td 3100 yards and a 58% completion a year and give or take thats what hes on pace to do this year
so what do you mean when you say hes really struggling and is going to get back on track?
you honestly believe at age 33 he is all of a sudden going to play better than he ever has before?
all im saying is what you see is what you get with him
No and the majority of the stats have to do with the fact that he has been injured and has what, one full year out of the past 4-5? I never said he's going to get better, but I honestly think if the play calling was more balanced then he could do better and have less pressure on him. The guy shouldn't be asked to throw so much is all I am saying.
he cant do more than hes doing now...get used to it
and i didnt count the two games he missed i prorated out the four games hes played over a 16 game schedule....again same stats hes averaged over his career...
and truth be told with the brutal schedule remaining and the easy stretch over his stats probably are going to come up short of his career averages...i dont know who said last week that he will get 25+ td's this year but i want some of them drugs they be taking