holla
i love it.
get yo shtein in order son
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
vick to the birds per mort
anyone else see that
Ha. It's true.
Holy shtein.
If he can play right OT I'm all for it. I hate pit bulls anyway.
farg!
It's official. Let's do it.
I literally cannot wait to see the presser tomorrow.
I mean, it might be the most incredible thing we've ever seen in our lives. Even better than the Erin Andrews nudies!
What's the big deal? Everybody here knows neither Kevin Corn on the Kolb nor A.J. touchy Feeley are gonna cut it. I hope this spells the end of the Kolb error. If McNabb goes down the Eagles actually have a competant back up to step in. Vick is such a ridiculously good athlete he can be used if Donnie never goes down.
This move strengthens the team.
i haven't seen or heard much from vick since he got released. he's been keeping himself relatively low key, which is a good sign for him imo.
i hope he is able to make some nice contributions to the team but more importantly, i hope he appreciates this second chance at life and football and makes the most out of this opportunity.
the move puts another crazy year of distractions to McNabb. dude cant catch a break
I feel like Mort, my phone is ringing off the hook.
I shut mine off.
I get up to take a piss, and all I could hear from the other room was "WHAT THE FARG???"
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
the move puts another crazy year of distractions to McNabb. dude cant catch a break
i don't think it does.....at least not right now. vick at his best would never be a threat to take mcnabb's job so there's no reason for mcnabb to think that vick is any sort of threat. the only possible distraction to mcnabb or anyone else on the team is the bombardment of stupid questions they'll get from the media for the next 6 months.
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
the move puts another crazy year of distractions to McNabb. dude cant catch a break
That was the first thing I thought of.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
about time the team got someone who got that dawg in em
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 13, 2009, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
the move puts another crazy year of distractions to McNabb. dude cant catch a break
i don't think it does.....at least not right now. vick at his best would never be a threat to take mcnabb's job so there's no reason for mcnabb to think that vick is any sort of threat. the only possible distraction to mcnabb or anyone else on the team is the bombardment of stupid questions they'll get from the media for the next 6 months.
its not even close to a distraction for mcnabb...you think the birds would re-cake him off then two months later get someone to replace him...if anyone would be upset it would be cobb...but i dont even think thats the case....vick is not taking any under center snaps for this team that isnt part of the wilddog offense
as i mentioned last week i think you will see him as a red zone thread for the most part...which is a problem they have been trying to solve for two years now...and this offseason the number one thing they did to address the problem just blew out his knee
i also think andy knows how bad this defense is going to be this year and is just trying to load up on skilled weapons on the offensive side of the ball and try to win 30-28 every week
you also gotta remember that vick and mcnabb are real close
i can't wait to get my custom eagles ron mexico jersey.
Get yo Kibbles n' Bits ready!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 08:58:20 PM
you also gotta remember that vick and mcnabb are real close
Oh crap, McNabb is in to dogfighting!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 08:58:20 PM
bout time the team got someone who got that dawg in em
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 13, 2009, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
the move puts another crazy year of distractions to McNabb. dude cant catch a break
i don't think it does.....at least not right now. vick at his best would never be a threat to take mcnabb's job so there's no reason for mcnabb to think that vick is any sort of threat. the only possible distraction to mcnabb or anyone else on the team is the bombardment of stupid questions they'll get from the media for the next 6 months.
its not even close to a distraction for mcnabb...you think the birds would re-cake him off then two months later get someone to replace him...if anyone would be upset it would be cobb...but i dont even think thats the case....vick is not taking any under center snaps for this team that isnt part of the wilddog offense
as i mentioned last week i think you will see him as a red zone thread for the most part...which is a problem they have been trying to solve for two years now...and this offseason the number one thing they did to address the problem just blew out his knee
i also think andy knows how bad this defense is going to be this year and is just trying to load up on skilled weapons on the offensive side of the ball and try to win 30-28 every week
you also gotta remember that vick and mcnabb are real close
lol
Quote from: General_Failure on August 13, 2009, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 08:58:20 PM
you also gotta remember that vick and mcnabb are real close
Oh crap, McNabb is in to dogfighting!
parts of the loser go into every can of chunky soup he eats.
McNabb or the dog?
Just had a conversation today about this as a possibility. The dude has paid his debt so as far as I'm concerned that's a non issue. The issue is that he sucks. Hard. He sucked before he went to jail and after 2 years in jail I can't imagine that he sucks less. I mean, his first few years he was a phenom and fun to watch and he was sick in college, but he isn't a successful QB, he can't complete a high % of passes and he isn't a spring chicken anymore. I don't see where he fits in frankly. Maybe he takes Booker's roster spot? I don't know. I just don't really get it.
unf'ingbelievable
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2009, 09:03:56 PM
Just had a conversation today about this as a possibility. The dude has paid his debt so as far as I'm concerned that's a non issue. The issue is that he sucks. Hard. He sucked before he went to jail and after 2 years in jail I can't imagine that he sucks less. I mean, his first few years he was a phenom and fun to watch and he was sick in college, but he isn't a successful QB, he can't complete a high % of passes and he isn't a spring chicken anymore. I don't see where he fits in frankly. Maybe he takes Booker's roster spot? I don't know. I just don't really get it.
another potential weapon on offense...however they use him and anything is possible except as a west coast passer...if he truly sucks then they cut him....this is a no brainer decision...you can never have to much talent in football
He might not be in the wildcat formation standing in the backfield like the media is suggesting, but you can bet Reid will use him to draw attention away from the other positional skilled players...maybe short screens maybe even split out wide..who knows with Reid
I see him getting hurt real quick being out of football for so long anway
I'm sure Klecko will teach him the fine points of backfield receiving.
Cliff Lee >>>> Michael Vick
$1.6M this year
$5.2M option in season 2
I agree with Rome I can't wait to see the presser tomorrow. This is probably one of the craziest things I can remember as an Eagles fan. My phone has rang off the hook non-stop.
i'm happy with it, thoughts of Djack/Maclin/Mcnabb/Vick/curtis/mccoy in the game is boneriffic
I can picture a nice wildcat package with McNabb running the option and flipping it to Vick for a heave down the field. If Vick can draw 8 men in the box when he's in the backfield then even with his wildly inaccurate arm I think he can at least use his cannon arm to throw it deep enough for DeSean or even Maclin to beat man coverage.
This is an overall low risk signing. McNabb has absolutely nothing to worry about. I'm sure the Eagles got him for the veteran minimum or maybe a little more so any cap hit would be insignificant if it doesn't work out this year or after this year. Vick is in a complete "re-build my reputation" mode (or start to create a good reputation mode however you want to look at it), and I'm sure Dungy will monitor his progress for the most part and make sure he doesn't deviate and revert back to some self-destructive behavior.
I can't think of an inherent problem with this signing, but I'm sure the media will try to pick at something to try and undermine this potentially working out.
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 09:10:34 PM
I see him getting hurt real quick being out of football for so long anway
he may not even be activated until like after the bye week
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2009, 09:13:33 PM
$1.6M this year
$5.2M option in season 2
Oh good, a 1 year deal.
what the farg
i don't see anything bad about this. he's not going to start and having a guy like him on the field along side what they already have is scary. and yeah if he sucks that bad, bye bye. i don't see that happening though. the PETA people hating the eagles is just the icing on the cake.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 09:10:34 PM
I see him getting hurt real quick being out of football for so long anway
he may not even be activated until like after the bye week
difference might be that the fact he signed with the gold standard Eagles-- Goodell might allow him to participate week 1
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2009, 09:13:33 PM
$1.6M this year
$5.2M option in season 2
Wow. I can't imagine this being more than a one year stint then unless he just completely re-invents himself this season.
He better re-invent himself into a god damned TE.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 13, 2009, 09:17:22 PM
i don't see anything bad about this. he's not going to start and having a guy like him on the field along side what they already have is scary. and yeah if he sucks that bad, bye bye. i don't see that happening though. the PETA people hating the eagles is just the icing on the cake.
PETA heads are going to get their ass beat outside the Linc..hope their ready
I hope they like eggs.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 13, 2009, 09:21:11 PM
He better re-invent himself into a god damned TE.
Best post of the thread. LMAO
love it, have a friend in Peta from HS, i'm starting all types of shtein with her and her follwoers. farg em.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2009, 09:03:56 PM
Just had a conversation today about this as a possibility. The dude has paid his debt so as far as I'm concerned that's a non issue. The issue is that he sucks. Hard. He sucked before he went to jail and after 2 years in jail I can't imagine that he sucks less. I mean, his first few years he was a phenom and fun to watch and he was sick in college, but he isn't a successful QB, he can't complete a high % of passes and he isn't a spring chicken anymore. I don't see where he fits in frankly. Maybe he takes Booker's roster spot? I don't know. I just don't really get it.
This. I hate this move. With a big fat H.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 13, 2009, 09:17:22 PM
the PETA people hating the eagles is just the icing on the cake.
Now this I can agree with.
Actually, the more I think about him taking Booker's roster spot the more I like this. Removing any pretense of him being a QB for the team would make me almost excited about this to be honest.
so who gets cut, feely or kolb?
Booker.
carrying 4 qbs is almost as dumb as having andy reid as your head coach
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 13, 2009, 09:10:34 PM
I see him getting hurt real quick being out of football for so long anway
he may not even be activated until like after the bye week
difference might be that the fact he signed with the gold standard Eagles-- Goodell might allow him to participate week 1
im saying even if hes allowed to play from jump i wouldnt be so sure that he will see game action for a while...if goodall makes him eligible tomorrow theres no chance he would dress in week 1 for example
I thought he had already been suspended for 4 games to start the season... no?
Quote from: MDS on August 13, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
carrying 4 qbs is almost as dumb as having andy reid as your head coach
vick has no position...his listed position is irrelevant...hes like the UTL in yahoo
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
I thought he had already been suspended for 4 games to start the season... no?
i think it was 3-6 games if i recall correctly...but goddell or however you spell his name left open all kinds of doors and windows for that to be shortened
6 games.
ive a done a 180 on this thing
i love it
go for broke
10000 things would have to go right for the eagles to win the bowl this year (mainly every other contender falling apart)
now its either 3-13 or they rally behind the hatred and play the farg you/us against the world card and run the table
fwiw mike lombardi says vick will be a qb and compete for #2 job....no wr or rb or anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 09:46:08 PM
fwiw mike lombardi says vick will be a qb and compete for #2 job....no wr or rb or anything
more the reason to hate it.
so basically they are admitting kolb sucks? again?
is there anything more precious than "fake outrage guy"
there are tons of dopes on the emb board saying :
"OMG how disgusting of a signing."
"i am done with this team"
"what a disgrace....i am not watching them again"
I'm not watching the second half. Does that make me an outrage guy of any variety?
whens adam dimichele go in
i don't care much for animals anyway so i am not outraged at all.
There haven't been this many people logged into CF in years.
booo
hilarious
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 13, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
hilarious
pure and utter hilarity will be tomorrow when eskin comes on...he absolutely despises vick and for the last two weeks has been going on and on mocking vick and his agent for making up rumors about how all these teams were supposedly clamoring for his services...just today he was going off saying he wasnt going to play this year at all...top that off with him supposedly being the ultimate eagle insider and i dont even know if he can back door his way out of this one
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
There haven't been this many people logged into CF in years.
Probably not since TO was traded to Baltimore from San Fran.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 13, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
hilarious
pure and utter hilarity will be tomorrow when eskin comes on...he absolutely despises vick and for the last two weeks has been going on and on mocking vick and his agent for making up rumors about how all these teams were supposedly clamoring for his services...just today he was going off saying he wasnt going to play this year at all...top that off with him supposedly being the ultimate eagle insider and i dont even know if he can back door his way out of this one
Yep. Same thing with Ike Reese. Some guy called in the other day asking about adding Vick and he talked about it for 30 seconds and then went off on a tangent about why he was even responding to such a dumb question because an Andy Reid team will never sign someone like Vick.
Dog fights, pot heads, pills up the bum...Jerrah must be so envious. Somewhere in a rest home Al Davis is saying "huh"?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 13, 2009, 09:14:25 PM
i'm happy with it, thoughts of Djack/Maclin/Mcnabb/Vick/curtis/mccoy in the game is boneriffic
I'm a Kevin Curtis fan, but I'd like to give you this time to read over this post and find out what's wrong.
While it would be monumentally stupid to have Vick as your #2, Mexico could die of siphilus while under center before his first snap and he would still help you win a game more than Kolb would.
Your spelling is giving me a seizure.
shut up
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbo_vick60_minutes
NEW YORK – Michael Vick says he accepts blame for not stopping an illegal dogfighting ring that he bankrolled. He spoke in an interview with "60 Minutes" set to air Sunday.
Vick tells CBS Sports anchor James Brown that he feels "some tremendous hurt behind what happened." He adds that "I should have took the initiative to stop it all ... I didn't — I didn't step up. I wasn't leader."
Brown asks the former Falcons quarterback if he was more concerned about his playing career or the dogs he hurt, and Vick replies, "Football don't even matter."
Vick also discusses his time in prison and admits he cried at night in his cell.
He's right. He wasn't leader.
I hate Vick, but the fact of the matter is this is really a no lose situation for the team. If he has to play any serious time at QB for this team the season is probably over anyway.
the greatest part of this signing is that no one....not one single person had any clue this was coming....its so rare in sports these days where something this big just completely blindsides you
Vick's not sorry he bankrolled a dog fighting ring... he's sorry he got caught, lost his money, and spent time in jail.
I'm not a fan of this move in the least (clearly) but the shtein I am reading on Facebook...wtf?
I see Ravens and Rams fans that I know (Ray Lewis...Leonard Little) bashing the Eagles, etc. Hello, hypocrites? :sly
IGY...Ray Didinger said if he had to make a list, last week, of the teams that were most likely to pick him up? Eagles would have been 32nd.
All those fargers from other teams shouldn't be in the NFL after the shtein they've done. Leonard Little, Ray Lewis, Donte Stallworth, etc.
Ike Reese just said he's so happy Vick got another chance and gives big ups to Lurie
Vick is a piece of trash. Dumb, mean, arrogant. Trash. And he's a lousy quarterback.
So now that he's wearing Eagles colors, I get to take shtein from a bunch of people who have every right to roast me over the Eagles welcoming this scumbag into their fold.
farg him, farg the Eagles. zesty news.
vicks still a better person than banner
PETA's spokesperson:
Quote"PETA and millions of decent football fans around the world are disappointed that the Eagles decided to sign a guy who hung dogs from trees. He electrocuted them with jumper cables and held them under water. You have to wonder what sort of message this sends to young fans who care about animals and don't want them to be harmed."
I don't for a second believe Vick feels remorse for any of his actions past getting caught. He's too stupid.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
vicks still a better person than banner
they're both arrogant fargs, but Banner doesn't slay dogs.
Yes, I'm sure all the kids are thinking "wow if I kill dogs I'll only have to spend 2 years in jail AND I'll get to play in the NFL with my freakish athletic abilities!"
Vick is a douche, PETA is a joke.
List of Evil:
1. Fat people
2. Vick
3. J Edgar Hoover
A few dogs got killed, a few more got herpes. But if somehow Vick helped the Eagles win a SB, everything would be forgiven and moral objections would fall away.
cant believe reid just mentioned his kids in public
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 13, 2009, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
vicks still a better person than banner
they're both arrogant fargs, but Banner doesn't slay dogs.
Dogs are too expensive. He rapes mice to death.
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Jaws must be all salty thinking he might wear #7
per FS 64:
Other Eagles who wore #7:
Roy Zimmerman (QB/DB, 1943-46 - the runner-up)
John Huarte (QB, 1968)
Jim Ward (QB, 1971-72)
John Reaves (QB, 1973-74)
Roger Ruzek (PK, 1989-93)
Ken O'Brien (QB, 1993)
Bobby Hoying (QB, 1996-98)
Sean Landeta (P, 1999-2002)
Jeff Garcia (QB, 2006)
I farging love it!
Vick absorbs all negative media for Eagles, lets rest of team play without distraction. Babality !!
ha, love it
farg yeah! farg PETA. farg DOGS! farg Mussa!
Quote from: MURP on August 13, 2009, 11:16:28 PM
Vick absorbs all negative media for Eagles, lets rest of team play without distraction. Babality !!
That is exactly what I just said to my dad.
PG you should send me your Hoying jersey I am going to the ATL for Labor Day, I would get it customized to say Ron Mexico for that trip.
I did three shots when I first got the news, it definitely made it more acceptable. Then again I have witnessed people get much worse treatment than Vick's dogs.
Just think. We lose Dawkins to Denver, but pick up Vick! What a great offseason.
Jaws and Gruden were discussing the Vick signing on ESPN a minute ago. Jaws didn't seem to like the signing because he believes that fans will chant for Vick to play as soon as Mcnabb has a bad series or two. However, Gruden told him to hold his horses and wait to see what kind of plays Andy is able to craft to incorporate both Mcnabb and Vick.
thanks for the update
Dog slaughterers are so much easier to root for than the real scumbags like Sean Taylor.
If only they'd all get shot in the cork.
i wish this guy was doing the pbp for the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGax6o9u3jY&feature=related
so when denver comes to philly, how do you react if dawkins lays out vick again?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 14, 2009, 12:31:40 AM
so when denver comes to philly, how do you react if dawkins lays out vick again?
I'll cheer for Dawkins
Terrible.
I was talking to my two boys who love the NFL as much as I do the other day and we were talking about Vick and his possibility of being an Eagle. I gave it a solid 0% chance.
Oh how I wish I was right.
He sucks. One of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL.
Wouldn't that be awesome if the Eagles won their first Superbowl with a dog slaughterer under center?
He won't play QB.
What if the center just sits on him?
I can't believe they signed this overrated icehole.
If Vick gives this team a better chance to win a Super Bowl than the guy who is cut to make room for him - which I cant see how he doesnt - wheres the harm?
Where's he gonna play?
if mike vick were white....
...he'd be slow and unathletic.
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2009, 01:01:59 AM
if mike vick were white....
He'd still be a barely 50% passer who pulls it down and runs too quick and was one of the most overrated scrotes to go under center in the NFL.
Quote"There won't be a quarterback controversy," Reid said. "That is not how it will go down here. We have to make sure he gets back in football shape."
Asked if there might be ways to use Vick other than at quarterback, Reid said, "He's a quarterback. That's what he is. He's a versatile quarterback. I haven't had a chance to put that all together, but I have some ideas."
Vick as a WCO QB = disaster
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2009, 09:50:41 PM
is there anything more precious than "fake outrage guy"
there are tons of dopes on the emb board saying :
"OMG how disgusting of a signing."
"i am done with this team"
"what a disgrace....i am not watching them again"
We agree about once every 5 years, but the people who are talking like that are the biggest frauds. It is all about trying to push their agenda and nothing about football. People are just using this to start up a pro vs anti-dog argument. Not one person is going to stop being an Eagle fan, and if you are then man up and prove it. Sell your season tickets.
These are also the same people who were all over wife beater Brett Myers' during the legal saga and then all on his dick in the World Series and no one gave a shtein when he started winning.
While I agree Vick is a horrible QB, he's still an upgrade over Kobb or Feeley. Additionally, he'll should make the Eagles offense more dangerous in another non-QB role. I don't know what there is to hate (other than Vick) - the team is better on paper with him than without.
I agree, though, that if Hamner and Moore were still in Philly the move would have made more sense
this is the gold standard.
He wont play QB. No shot...Its been said already, but the NFL is a copycat league and the wildcat worked for Miami last year - enough so to draft a guy in the 2nd round to play primarily in that formation moving forward. 2 years ago, Vick, his throwing skills aside, would have been the perfect athlete for it. I'm sure he's not the athlete he was then, but we've seen his skills with the ball in his hands, and if getting back into shape is what he needs to do to get back to that level, then wheres the risk? Unless you wanna keep Eldra Buckely on the roster and watch him be deactivated for the first 15 games of the season.
There is no risk football-wise. The only risk is through PR and honestly, who gives a shtein about PR? They will lose zero money over this, no one has the guts to sell their tickets and if anyone did they'd be picked up in about 3 seconds. The Linc will be packed every night and it is still one of the top 5 NFL franchises for revenue.
The stadium was kinda weird tonight when the news broke. Salpal gave a good summary actually - people stopped watching the game..everyone was on their phones trying to see if it was true. Once it was, no one knew how to react..Im actually rewatching the game now because I missed the second half talking about Vick w some dude in a helmet and huge eagle heads on shoulderpads.
People want to like this move, but they are going to let their dog-loving agendas get in the way of a no risk, high reward football decision.
Good thing the people who are angry about it are insignificant and no one really cares what they think. Their negative outcries can't do anything at all. Spitting in the wind.
Not much surprises me in life, but this floored me. I would have been less surprised if a suddenly alive and hot Terry Shiavo walked into my house with an entourage of hermaphrodites. It literally took me about 10 seconds to process what Hugh Douglas said before I stumbled to my PC.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 14, 2009, 01:47:11 AM
The stadium was kinda weird tonight when the news broke. Salpal gave a good summary actually - people stopped watching the game..everyone was on their phones trying to see if it was true. Once it was, no one knew how to react..Im actually rewatching the game now because I missed the second half talking about Vick w some dude in a helmet and huge eagle heads on shoulderpads.
That must have been a trip as the buzz moved through the crowd. I could see no one paying attention to a preseason game with breaking news like this, especially that it broke during the game.
I'm looking forward to stories about the draconian Lurie Banner policy on fan signs at the Linc this year. I imagine people will come up with some good shtein, and the team will make themselves look like iceholes trying to take them away.
i killed 4 dogs to celebrate.
I have a friend from gradeschool who has always been a animal lover weirdo. She's going on and on about how the eagles are scum, then i find out she's a cowpuke fan. I love riling up the peta freaks
The dude was convicted of a crime, went to prison, lost all of his sources of income and is now flat broke. On top of that he has absolutely no marketable skills outside of football and organized dog fighting. The criminal justice system is in place for a reason. That reason was satisfied here. The dude should now be allowed to work at the only legitimate career he's capable of having.
I don't like the signing because he isn't the kind of person I want to root for (same reason I didn't like the TO signing) and I don't think he helps this team as a QB (same reason I didn't like the McMahon signing). But the dog fighting shtein is over. He's done his time. What do they want? For his life to be ended? For him to be unable to make a living? People are idiots.
Exactly. I don't care about his past. I just don't see him helping the Eagles much this year. He hasn't played ball in 2 years, and he 's dumber than a fencepost.
He's suspended for at least the first few games, and there's no way to gauge if he's in football shape or not. If he doesn't help, then we have one more wasted roster spot (like Kolb hasn't been wasting enough of one).
Quote from: King Cole on August 14, 2009, 01:53:58 AM
People want to like this move, but they are going to let their dog-loving agendas get in the way of a no risk, high reward football decision.
it has very little to do with dogs....theres a huge racial element here...michael vick to the black community is the huey newton of black quarterbacks and they will go to the grave with him and to the white community hes way to black and represents all the savages in the ghettos of our cities who are ruining the country
if this involved a safe black guy like mcnabb or donte stallworth or a light skinned brother like hank baskett or robert smith the outrage would be far less
the split on wip is crystal clear and basically universal
all the brothers are like man paid his dues deserves a second chance and all the white callers are beside themselves
Maybe sensational sports talk radio isn't an exact indication of the way the world works. Maybe.
ha
great wilbon article today
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/AR2009081304050.html
According to Sal Paolantonio (sp?), he is not here to play QB but to be a gadget type guy....in the wildcat, lined up as WR in the slot, RB...lots of different things (he said Andy Reid has a vision for him and its not at QB).
zero risk and besides they were going to give that same roster spot to some magician or something anyway.
trade feely again for a 5th round pick.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 14, 2009, 08:49:18 AM
According to Sal Paolantonio (sp?), he is not here to play QB but to be a gadget type guy....in the wildcat, lined up as WR in the slot, RB...lots of different things (he said Andy Reid has a vision for him and its not at QB).
Sal Pal doesnt know squat. Last night Reid said in his after game presser that Vick is a QB in this league and not a UTL guy or WR.
I am sure he will be involved in unorthodox plays but I doubt they are going to convert him into WR or RB. As a QB who could run he was a great threat. As a WR? or RB? He would be average. Can he even catch?
I get the feeling Goodell will let him play by week 1.
And you believe Reid's PCs?
I am no Sal Pal fan, but i think Andy Reid is the king of the lying sacks.
Lightbulb head on the signing
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4398024
Mortensen:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=4398332
Did not know that McNabb lobbied for them to sign him.
reid said he was a qb to placate vick...regardless of how awful a qb he is its still disrepsectful to not call him a qb
he also said about three different times in the presser that he was gonna have to come up with packages to figure out where vick will be...he also said thats all i can tell you i dont wanna give away to much information
hes clearly not going to play "quarterback"
i wonder if this all sets up for tony dungy to become coach in two years...that will take reid to the end of mcnabbs line and if vick works out dungy comes in and coaches him
time to get some dog masks like those retards in cleveland.
Dungy as Eagles HC?
Where do I sign up?
Daily News headline this morning "Hide Your Dogs"
That's terrible.
QuotePaul Domowitch: Controversy aside, Vick signing is 'a terrific move' for Eagles
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
FORGET, FOR A MOMENT, if that's possible, what he did and why an organization that perpetually has preached the importance of bringing in character players would sign a guy who has just spent almost 2 years in a federal prison.
Let's just look at the Eagles' signing of Michael Vick strictly from a football standpoint. Nothing else. If he can whip his 29-year-old body back into some semblance of football shape, can he be a difference-making offensive weapon for this team? Can he improve their Super Bowl chances?
The answers are yes and yes.
The Eagles didn't sign Vick to have him push Donovan McNabb for the starting quarterback job. He wasn't even really signed to give Kevin Kolb a run for his money as the No. 2 guy.
He was signed for one reason, one word: Wildcat.
While many NFL coaches don't view the Wildcat formation, which features a direct snap to a skill-position player other than the quarterback, as much more than a glorified trick play, Eagles coach Andy Reid sees it as much more than that. He understands the problems the Wildcat can give a defense if you have the right weapon.
And he believes Vick is the right weapon.
"Michael is an unbelievable athlete, both running the ball and throwing the ball," Reid said last night after his team's 27-25 preseason loss to the New England Patriots at the Linc.
"He's a difference-maker in a lot of areas. He can do a lot of different things for you. I'll think of something for him."
Reid may have a few faults as a coach, but he is one of the best play-designers in the NFL. Give him 5 minutes, a pen and a cocktail napkin and he'll give you a play defenses can't stop.
He is all about creating mismatches. A safety on a swift wide receiver like DeSean Jackson. A linebacker on Brian Westbrook. Now he's got Vick, who he can line up anywhere in the formation; who can throw the ball, run with it, even catch it.
"Strictly from a football standpoint, it's a terrific move," an AFC personnel man said. "Look at the speed they're going to have on the field now when Vick, Jackson and [rookie wide receiver Jeremy] Maclin are all out there at the same time."
"It's a good signing," an NFC general manager said last night. "You've got to have a plan for [Vick] and I'm sure they do. A team with an unsettled quarterback situation couldn't sign him. If he went to a team like Washington, where they spent the entire offseason trying to replace [Jason] Campbell, it would've been chaos. But Philly's a great spot for him. They've got a good program. They've got a Pro Bowl quarterback who won't be threatened by him being around."
More than a dozen NFL teams, including the Eagles, tinkered with the Wildcat formation last season. Nobody used it more than the Dolphins. Twelve percent of their offensive plays were out of the Wildcat formation.
But the Dolphins, and most of the other teams that experimented with it, mainly ran the ball out of the Wildcat. They had a wide receiver or running back take the direct snap, tuck the ball under his arm and run with it.
The Eagles used the Wildcat about a dozen times last season. Threw out of it only once. That was Jackson's ill-fated pass into the end zone against Cleveland that was intercepted by safety Sean Jones, who the Eagles would sign 4 months later.
"Defenses, when they see [Dolphins running back] Ronnie Brown taking that direct snap, when they see [Falcons running back] Jerrius Norwood taking that direct snap, defenses take the safety out of the middle of the field and get into zero coverage, knowing that that guy isn't going to throw it," said former Tampa Bay Bucs coach Jon Gruden, who will team with Ron Jaworski and Mike Tirico in ESPN's "Monday Night Football'' booth this season.
"When that guy back there can be a threat to throw it, it'll be real interesting to see what defensive coordinators do."
Vick will give the Eagles "that guy."
"He's certainly an excellent candidate to run the spread," Gruden said last month. "I think there's a [Wildcat] wave coming. It's not going away. Offenses are going to expand it.''
Asked last night about Vick's ideal fit as a Wildcat quarterback, Reid smiled that sly smile of his, cleared his throat and said, "He can do some of that."
Actually, he can do a lot of that.
Westbrook, DeSean, Maclin, McCoy, Curtis, Vick
is there any team that even comes close to that kind of speed? it's very un-eagles like.
Wild Dog Offense fo rill!
Quote from: phattymatty on August 14, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
time to get some dog masks like those retards in cleveland.
i wanna design a t-shirt with vick walking three pit bulls rockin a giant a dallas and a taterskin jersey
You guys should read some of the stuff on the EMB. People are unhinged like I've never seen before.
It's awesome.
what would you say the % is there pro the move vs anti the move
phily.com comments have some winners too...
I have all of my eagles memorabilia in the trunk of my car and I'm about to go set fire to it
I will be selling my season tickets immediately.
I will never buy another ticket, jersey, nothing. I am no longer a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles.
yeah i heard this morning that all of these eagles STHs are going to cancel their tickets. i say fine, maybe I'll get the call finally.
IGY...on philly.com it was like 46% for and 54% against
http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/53182717.html?results=y
ha! losers.
the biggest remaining issue here is what kind of suspension will goodell hand out? it could be anywhere up to 6 games. i don't think it will be that long though. in fact, i think that the longest he goes is 4 weeks and comes back after they bye.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 14, 2009, 09:25:04 AM
yeah i heard this morning that all of these eagles STHs are going to cancel their tickets. i say fine, maybe I'll get the call finally.
not if your name's on the waiting list you won't. they only call people with numbers listed in the phone book.
The sanctimony from those clowns is what I love best. I'm doing my best to egg them on, though...
Like a stock undervalued for the wrong reasons, is there any thought that this is merely a 1.5mm flyer to lock him for two years? If he blows you cut and go. but if not, could this not prove to be a significant trade advantage for a real need later?
Say the eagles "rehabilitate" him to the rest of the league and he can still play reasonably well - he may well be worth a trade for need or those high draft picks Cap'n Andy oh-so-covets. The Eagles will have removed the stigma of those too frightened to be non-pc, allowing them cover thus raising his value considerably.
With each "electrifying" play the stock goes up incrementally.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 09:13:02 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 14, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
time to get some dog masks like those retards in cleveland.
i wanna design a t-shirt with vick walking three pit bulls rockin a giant a dallas and a taterskin jersey
You just show me where to sign bud.
vick presser on now pe.com
spadero bullshtein first.....starts at 11am
If Vick sticks around for next season, I hope McNabb puts his chew toys away before inviting Vick out to Arizona.
boooooo
shockingly un-MA move
Weird thing from lightbulbhead:
Quote3. Where will Vick fit onto the roster?
The interesting part of the signing is that Vick won't take up a roster spot in the first five weeks of the season, effectively giving the Eagles an extra player through Oct. 12. It is possible commissioner Roger Goodell could allow him to play during the first five weeks, but the commissioner doesn't have to make that decision now. A ruling could come a week or two before the start of the regular season.
So the Eagles can carry 54 into October even if Vick can play before then? Wha?
"Michael aggressively attacked the issue." Ha!
Dungy speaking now..I like way he looks next to an Eagles logo
Orange?
Vick expresses his gratification.
And now we know who to blame for this move. Thank, McNabb!
You can order Vick jerseys already. I'm guessing dog jerseys won't be available.
cmon mike....all these thanks and no apologies? idiot
He said it was unnecessary at least twice, that totally redeems him.
I do like his answers though. it sounds like dungy might of really opened this guys mind up and turned his life around
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:16:32 AM
I do like his answers though. it sounds like dungy might of really turned this guys life around
shut the farg up idiot
Who better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:16:32 AM
I do like his answers though. it sounds like dungy might of really turned this guys life around
shut the farg up idiot
farg are you talking about? I was being dead serious. He sounds very believable
lol dungy heard mike vick say "i like jesus" and he was in love
he does seem humbled as hell from what he was.
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:16:32 AM
I do like his answers though. it sounds like dungy might of really turned this guys life around
shut the farg up idiot
farg are talking about? I was being dead serious. He sounds very believable
yeah thats the problem...your corny overanalyzation of this makes you sound like a mesh cutoff shirt wearing man purse toting pixie
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:17:34 AM
Who better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
Ha. Truth.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:17:34 AM
Who better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
lol
Pretty much as good of a press conference as you could have expected from Vick.
i expected him to come out and say he choose the eagles because west philly has some hott dog fighting rings
#7 jerseys available on the PE.com store already
LA Times:
QuoteWayne Pacelle, president and chief executive of the Humane Society of the United States, said he doesn't expect widespread protests and sees it as a good thing that Vick wound up in Philadelphia.
"It's a city we've been looking at very closely because it has a major dogfighting problem," Pacelle said in a phone interview. "So Vick's landing there has the potential to turn around the issue. This gives us a big boost."
Quote from: phattymatty on August 14, 2009, 11:28:43 AM
Pretty much as good of a press conference as you could have expected from Vick.
Putting aside the question of what Vick will actually be able to contribute on the field, the team, league, and Vick himself have handled the reinstatement process about as well as possible so far.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:16:32 AM
I do like his answers though. it sounds like dungy might of really turned this guys life around
shut the farg up idiot
farg are talking about? I was being dead serious. He sounds very believable
yeah thats the problem...your corny overanalyzation of this makes you sound like a mesh cutoff shirt wearing man purse toting pixie
it never stops with you. so now I have to go back to bashing you again..awesome
so he's definitely wearing #7?
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 14, 2009, 11:10:07 AM
You can order Vick jerseys already. I'm guessing dog jerseys won't be available.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 14, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
#7 jerseys available on the PE.com store already
Nice, I beat easy to a piece of Eagles minutiae.
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damn jeffrey's hatin
for real..sounds like he wasnt for it so much
is it possible that jeff lurie is worse than joe banner? no cant be.
banner is insufferable
People feel like Vick has to apologize to them personally. farg that...Vick doesn't owe me or anyone an apology. He's just an easy target.
Remember, they were only dogs...its not like he was killing kids. If that was the case, he would have been the destroyer of our future. But he wasn't, he was killing lazy dogs that lost their love for fighting, what good are they then? Plus they all look alike. He did us a favor.
***Also...if I have to hear the term "Wildcat" again, I'm going to send Sarge over to someone's mom's bedrooom so he can spread his seed.
on the real, what he did was pretty zesty...but we shall see what he does with this opportunity, until then, I'll reserve judgement
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2009, 11:40:22 AM
is it possible that jeff lurie is worse than joe banner? no cant be.
thats like asking is phreak as bad as reese/munson/cole
Quote from: hbionic on August 14, 2009, 11:43:50 AM
People feel like Vick has to apologize to them personally. farg that...Vick doesn't owe me or anyone an apology.
jesus christ someone gets it
word to hb POTL24HRS
Lurie is being amazingly honest taking us into the thoughts behind his decision process. Talking about this situation from all sides. Not really sure why someone would think this is a bad PC.
lurie is a total twat
Who said it was bad? His honesty is refreshing.
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2009, 11:49:16 AM
lurie is a total twat
10 points for twat use/placement. Bonus 5 points for humor.
of all peple Eskin just asked Lurie, in kind of angrily way, why he/eagles needs to be the crusader in all of this. god I hate that guy
I hope Vick hangs Eskin's furry ass from a tree and beats him
lurie is by all accounts a real decent guy...i like him
however banner is his dog fighting ring
that was eskin?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 14, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
damn jeffrey's hatin
Jeff be speaking the troof. His explanation was both the most appropriate and helped clear up a lot of the open questions about the move.
Quote from: reese125 on August 14, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
of all peple Eskin just asked Lurie, in kind of angrily way, why he/eagles needs to be the crusader in all of this. god I hate that guy
I hope Vick hangs Eskin's furry ass from a tree and beats him
thats actually a great sign....bwtn the bradley thing and now this maybe eskin wont have his head againsnt banner inc's colon anymore
yea thats not happening. eskin is and will always be a banner guy
(http://product.images.store.philadelphiaeagles.com/37-01/37-01005-P.jpg)
PEDAL TO THE METAL!
i just flipped over to NFL network which i had recording the PC. Wow Eskin came off like the douchebag reporter from DieHard 2
Top story on CNN.com
it was their lead story on the cnn morning show (kiran chetry mmmmmm) as well....they had stephen A on to comment
Im sure it was a sweet mellow conversation with him as usual
Soooo...a guy of questionable moral character, who hasn't played in two years, was a mediocre QB at his best and has an even lower career accuracy (54% vs 59%) than McNabb is our solution for a #2 QB? FFS I'd take Trent Green or Brian Griese over this clown, all the dog fighting stuff aside.
Not to mention that my first reaction was FFFFFFUUUUUU** NO....etc.
people just dont get he's here as a backup/wildcat role
and they never will
The amount of raw athletic talent on this offense is incredible, from the line out to the receivers. A lot of guys with issues too, though -- whether it's injuries or inability to mold their raw talent into skill. If even half these guys play up to their potential (which could very well not happen) the Eagles will have the best offense in the NFL.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 14, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
If even half these guys play up to their potential
If that half isn't the offensive line, the offense isn't doing shtein.
Ocho Cinco on Twitter:
QuoteMike Vick and McNabb on the same team, damn!!! Glad I don't play defense, good luck game planning to stop that shh!! Shaq-Lebron Vick-McNabb that shhh is awesome , i know where I am spending my bye week, I am acting like a groupie, I am going to the game.
somebody tell Ocho that Vick and McNabb havent ran in 2 years
Aww poor Chad he just wanted to join the team. Cant believe after all these yrs he is still stuck in Cinci.
I was watching Hard Knocks yesterday, that dude is funny as hell.
As far as the thing about him being a QB, yeah whatever. He is coming here as a situational player and probably going to try to relearn the QB position. One he never mastered to begin with. From a pure football standpoint I am excited to see what they do with the multitude of weapons they now have.
My biggest concerns remain the D and the OL.
child, please
Cincinnati had offered Vick a firm 2-year contract.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 14, 2009, 11:04:16 AM
Dungy speaking now..I like way he looks next to an Eagles logo
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:05:30 AM
Orange?
ha
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Quote from: Die-Hard on August 14, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Who said it was bad? His miserable attitude is refreshing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 14, 2009, 03:17:06 PM
Cincinnati had offered Vick a firm 2-year contract.
Guess he must really want a ring!
For him being here for a wildcat role, we already have Maclin, Jackson and Westbrook who can easily fill that role. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see what he adds to the team that we didn't already have.
I'm not sure the wildcat will see as as much success this year as in '08 with teams having a whole off-season to review tapes and drill on it. You have to really emphasize it in your offense (Miami) to do it right consistently, otherwise it's about as successful as any other gimmick play. (Oakland, just about everyone else)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2009, 07:51:49 AM
The dude was convicted of a crime, went to prison, lost all of his sources of income and is now flat broke. On top of that he has absolutely no marketable skills outside of football and organized dog fighting. The criminal justice system is in place for a reason. That reason was satisfied here. The dude should now be allowed to work at the only legitimate career he's capable of having.
I don't like the signing because he isn't the kind of person I want to root for (same reason I didn't like the TO signing) and I don't think he helps this team as a QB (same reason I didn't like the McMahon signing). But the dog fighting shtein is over. He's done his time. What do they want? For his life to be ended? For him to be unable to make a living? People are idiots.
That's the one aspect people are ignoring. It is like they won't be satisfied unless the guy is publicly executed.
and they have the audacity to act like they are pure individuals? They want to prevent a man who's paid severely for his actions from ever gaining any semblance of a life back.
I'm not a crazy animal lover like PETA people are, but I do really like animals. That said, the Eagles can sign whoever the hell they want that is allowed by the NFL and by the law. I bet you at least one person in PETA has married or been involved with some type of ex-con or someone with a criminal record. It would be no different if I told them they are a disgrace for getting involved with that type of person.
can everyone promise to never again qualify one of their vick posts with the fact that they like animals
youre allowed to think vick should play without being an animal abuser
thank you
Mixed emotions on this one, but i think it is clear Reid realizes he has 2 years to win it all and is willing to take bigger risks to have a lethal offense
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
can everyone promise to never again qualify one of their vick posts with the fact that they like animals
youre allowed to think vick should play without being an animal abuser
thank you
I like turtles.
poopy turtles or real turtles
Quote from: VFK on August 14, 2009, 04:21:30 PM
Mixed emotions on this one, but i think it is clear Reid realizes he has 2 years to win it all and is willing to take bigger risks to have a lethal offense
Really? Cause then he would have traded for Boldin with that first round pick instead of using it on a rookie who has more of a chance of being a average WR or bust than being a another Desean Jackson.
Quote from: VFK on August 14, 2009, 04:21:30 PM
Mixed emotions on this one, but i think it is clear Reid realizes he has 2 years to win it all and is willing to take bigger risks to have a lethal offense
awesome...and what happened with the other 10 years....just kind of see what happens with a mediocre offense?
call me crazy but I think alot of this is predicated on the fact that his kids are drug addict losers and this signing is almost like hes trying to reach out to them to make a point that he does give second chances to win them back...yep I said it.
or he would have paid a couple extra bucks for dawkins
of all the moves andy reid has ever made that could be construed as "going for it" this ranks near the bottom
Pink on Twitter:
Quote"wow. michael vick in MY hometown, Philly. of all the places. I hope the fans tear him to pieces like his beloved dogs."
No word from Hall & Oates yet
Quote from: NC_Eagle on August 14, 2009, 03:37:52 PMFor him being here for a wildcat role, we already have Maclin, Jackson and Westbrook who can easily fill that role. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see what he adds to the team that we didn't already have.
I'm not sure the wildcat will see as as much success this year as in '08 with teams having a whole off-season to review tapes and drill on it. You have to really emphasize it in your offense (Miami) to do it right consistently, otherwise it's about as successful as any other gimmick play. (Oakland, just about everyone else)
I wouldn't really mind having another Jackson or Westbrook....
The point about the wildcat is that it's not a gimmick play anymore. It's turning into a commonly used formation, just as the T formation was once considered a trick play. The Dolphins revolutionized the game when they stomped the Patriots last year. You can defend against the wildcat, but I think it will be a growing part of the game since it has innate advantages... there's no wasted player (QB) just standing there watching the running play develop, and you can still pass, reverse, etc. Lining up in the wildcat doesn't really tip off what the play is going to be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
can everyone promise to never again qualify one of their vick posts with the fact that they like animals
youre allowed to think vick should play without being an animal abuser
I hate frigging cats and think he should play.
People need to stop with the "Eagles are going for it" shtein too. Whatever the reason for the signing, I really believe it's not their belief Vick's going to provide them that edge.
you mean a 29 year old fresh off a two year bid at levenworth with no position isnt going to put the eagles over the top?
derrick burgess to help the non existent pass rush nope
tony gonzalez nope
pedal to the metal vick....YES!!
^ Yeah and this it what makes this difficult for me to get a grasp on. Then again he didn't cost them anything.
I've more or less come around on this. He's only getting 1MM, and if he hasn't lost a step can help. That's a big if, but at least it's cheap. He's at least as good as Booker, even if he's lost a step.
Still, I can easily see a loud PETA rally outside the stadium becoming mixed up with drunken louts from the tailgate, and that shtein getting out of hand.
i cant wait for Peta fargs to be out there, i cant stand them.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 14, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
Still, I can easily see a loud PETA rally outside the stadium becoming mixed up with drunken louts from the tailgate, and that shtein getting out of hand.
regardless of how you feel about the move i think this is something everyone hopes will happen
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 14, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
Still, I can easily see a loud PETA rally outside the stadium becoming mixed up with drunken louts from the tailgate, and that shtein getting out of hand.
regardless of how you feel about the move i think this is something everyone hopes will happen
Me & Beermonkey already have our dozen eggs outside getting juicy.
I might have to take the train to Philly for the Jax game.
No internet access in the ditches yet, so I'm late to the party. Some thoughts, because you care:
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2009, 07:51:49 AMThe dude was convicted of a crime, went to prison, lost all of his sources of income and is now flat broke. On top of that he has absolutely no marketable skills outside of football and organized dog fighting. The criminal justice system is in place for a reason. That reason was satisfied here. The dude should now be allowed to work at the only legitimate career he's capable of having.
You really think that simply because he was subjected to punishment according to the law, he should be afforded every opportunity to resume the dream lifestyle of being a pampered wealthy jockstar? Because he's too stupid and unskilled to get work elsewhere, he should be welcomed back into the fold over and above other athletes who somehow manage not to operate gambling rackets or go on dog killing sprees?
It would be unfair to send him back to prison again, he's done his time. That does not however make him clean again. Having sat for 18 months according to the rules doesn't undo the fact that he ran an illegal gambling operation based on killing animals, killed animals himself, lied about all of it, etc. You don't get to just wipe that out because you were subjected to punishment. You don't get to just return to your million dollar lifestyle after something like that. Where else in the world do you get to just walk back in after something like that? Teachers don't get to step back into their schools after a drunk driving DUI. Cops don't get their pensions back after getting caught laundering money from a stolen car racket. Etc.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 08:00:53 AMit has very little to do with dogs....theres a huge racial element here...michael vick to the black community is the huey newton of black quarterbacks and they will go to the grave with him and to the white community hes way to black and represents all the savages in the ghettos of our cities who are ruining the country
if this involved a safe black guy like mcnabb or donte stallworth or a light skinned brother like hank baskett or robert smith the outrage would be far less
the split on wip is crystal clear and basically universal
all the brothers are like man paid his dues deserves a second chance and all the white callers are beside themselves
I'm bored sick of your small minded race theories. No doubt race plays some role on a macro scale, as can be said about everything in America, but this kind of tripe is over-simplification at it's worst, and textbook
vigy bullshtein. Charcoal black or lily white, this is about a guy who acted like a scumbag first and foremost. He was a jerk (http://bigfoamfinger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/6211558_7_2.jpg) on the field, and as we all know, he was human scum off the field. McNabb is "safe" because--as far as we know--he's a decent citizen.
Had Vick not been such an arrogant farg at first, the revelation of and reaction to his sick criminal exploits would not have been as severe. But he is an icehole, so there you go. Had his crimes not taken place over the course of a long stretch of time, but instead as a momentary break in otherwise good behavior (a la Stallworth), the reaction would not have been as severe. But they were a drawn out premeditated pattern of action.
This isn't whity hating on the street stillupfront's mom, it's decent people revolted by an anti-social miscreant.
Also, oh holier-and-blacker-than-thou white boy: stop the ludicrous conceit that you somehow know what "all the brothers" think or how "the black community" views anything. That's some goddamn incorrect thinking. All the brothers have different opinions, just like any other group of people. How you can claim that kind of shtein without calling yourself out as a racist is incredible.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:17:34 AMWho better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
ha, well said
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:21:40 AMyeah thats the problem...your corny overanalyzation of this makes you sound like a mesh cutoff shirt wearing man purse toting pixie
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Quote from: King Cole on August 14, 2009, 03:38:50 PMand they have the audacity to act like they are pure individuals? They want to prevent a man who's paid severely for his actions from ever gaining any semblance of a life back.
He can have a life back. If he announced that he's going to start an internship at SPCA and pursue a career down that line, he can have that and my support. If he wants to go back to school, he can have that and I wish him the best. He can go work at farging McDonalds, I'd still say please when I place my order. What he can't and shouldn't do is strut back into his rock star NFL lifestyle wearing a mask of contrition under the tutelage of fraudulent mentors and worst of all, wearing a goddamn Philadelphia Eagles jersey.
I love you like a brother but you're wrong, dude. Vick deserves a second chance at exactly the same sort of life he enjoyed before he farged up (on an admittedly unconscionable scale). That's the deal in this country, like it or not.
And before anyone points out my utter hypocrisy, yes, I know I was one of his most vocal opponents previously. But that was before he became an Eagle.
Cognitive dissonance for the motherfarging win.
If you want to see Vick take a verbal beating every day, there was no better place for him to end up. If Jeff Lurie was wrong about this self-hatred Vick has, and the guys is only sorry about being caught, it'll show up pretty quick. Even if he is genuinely remorseful, he'll snap at some point. Ghandi would probably tell somebody to suck his dick after the fifth or sixth week in a row that somebody in the stands threw chew toys and Milk Bones at him.
Thankfully, Vick landed in a city where busting balls never stops. I look forward to his inevitable meltdown.
Quote from: Rome on August 14, 2009, 06:43:21 PMThat's the deal in this country, like it or not.
No. That's the deal in this country for the (in)famous, the wealthy, the jocks and the entertainers. For the rest of us, we have to take our second chances the long way round, working our way back up from the ground up. And we aren't welcomed back regardless how genuine our remorse or how hard our efforts to redeem ourselves. You don't have to know many common felons to know that.
somebody likes dogs.....A LOT
What's all this talk about "second chance?" This has got to be about his 5th.
more like I hate 90 IQ jock miscreants who torture animals for profit and fun
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 14, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
What's all this talk about "second chance?" This has got to be about his 5th.
actually once you serve your time and pay your debt you can have as many chances as you want in life
second chance implies he farged up nothing happened to him and now hes being thrown a bone or something
dook went broke and did two in the pokey that earns him a "second chance" imo
he did 18 months, not 24...
he went broke because he was an idiot with his money, not as punishment for his crimes
Quote from: Diomedes on August 14, 2009, 06:34:49 PM
No internet access in the ditches yet, so I'm late to the party. Some thoughts, because you care:
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2009, 07:51:49 AMThe dude was convicted of a crime, went to prison, lost all of his sources of income and is now flat broke. On top of that he has absolutely no marketable skills outside of football and organized dog fighting. The criminal justice system is in place for a reason. That reason was satisfied here. The dude should now be allowed to work at the only legitimate career he's capable of having.
You really think that simply because he was subjected to punishment according to the law, he should be afforded every opportunity to resume the dream lifestyle of being a pampered wealthy jockstar? Because he's too stupid and unskilled to get work elsewhere, he should be welcomed back into the fold over and above other athletes who somehow manage not to operate gambling rackets or go on dog killing sprees?
It would be unfair to send him back to prison again, he's done his time. That does not however make him clean again. Having sat for 18 months according to the rules doesn't undo the fact that he ran an illegal gambling operation based on killing animals, killed animals himself, lied about all of it, etc. You don't get to just wipe that out because you were subjected to punishment. You don't get to just return to your million dollar lifestyle after something like that. Where else in the world do you get to just walk back in after something like that? Teachers don't get to step back into their schools after a drunk driving DUI. Cops don't get their pensions back after getting caught laundering money from a stolen car racket. Etc.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 08:00:53 AMit has very little to do with dogs....theres a huge racial element here...michael vick to the black community is the huey newton of black quarterbacks and they will go to the grave with him and to the white community hes way to black and represents all the savages in the ghettos of our cities who are ruining the country
if this involved a safe black guy like mcnabb or donte stallworth or a light skinned brother like hank baskett or robert smith the outrage would be far less
the split on wip is crystal clear and basically universal
all the brothers are like man paid his dues deserves a second chance and all the white callers are beside themselves
I'm bored sick of your small minded race theories. No doubt race plays some role on a macro scale, as can be said about everything in America, but this kind of tripe is over-simplification at it's worst, and textbook vigy bullshtein. Charcoal black or lily white, this is about a guy who acted like a scumbag first and foremost. He was a jerk (http://bigfoamfinger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/6211558_7_2.jpg) on the field, and as we all know, he was human scum off the field. McNabb is "safe" because--as far as we know--he's a decent citizen.
Had Vick not been such an arrogant farg at first, the revelation of and reaction to his sick criminal exploits would not have been as severe. But he is an icehole, so there you go. Had his crimes not taken place over the course of a long stretch of time, but instead as a momentary break in otherwise good behavior (a la Stallworth), the reaction would not have been as severe. But they were a drawn out premeditated pattern of action.
This isn't whity hating on the street stillupfront's mom, it's decent people revolted by an anti-social miscreant.
Also, oh holier-and-blacker-than-thou white boy: stop the ludicrous conceit that you somehow know what "all the brothers" think or how "the black community" views anything. That's some goddamn incorrect thinking. All the brothers have different opinions, just like any other group of people. How you can claim that kind of shtein without calling yourself out as a racist is incredible.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:17:34 AMWho better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
ha, well said
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:21:40 AMyeah thats the problem...your corny overanalyzation of this makes you sound like a mesh cutoff shirt wearing man purse toting pixie
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Quote from: King Cole on August 14, 2009, 03:38:50 PMand they have the audacity to act like they are pure individuals? They want to prevent a man who's paid severely for his actions from ever gaining any semblance of a life back.
He can have a life back. If he announced that he's going to start an internship at SPCA and pursue a career down that line, he can have that and my support. If he wants to go back to school, he can have that and I wish him the best. He can go work at farging McDonalds, I'd still say please when I place my order. What he can't and shouldn't do is strut back into his rock star NFL lifestyle wearing a mask of contrition under the tutelage of fraudulent mentors and worst of all, wearing a goddamn Philadelphia Eagles jersey.
the godfather has spoken
agree or disagree theres so many good points in this short novel its farging ridiculous-all insinuations about IGY couldnt be more dead on
and Ill still root for the bastich to score all day every day when/if the ball ever gets in his hands. F Vick and his brother.
if you dont agree with something then its not a good point fence rider
and anyone who doesnt see a monster racial angle in the vick dogfighting case is a complete moron...its permeated the whole thing since before his trail even
Like Al Sharpton, you see a monster race angle everywhere you look. And like him, you are sometimes right. Also like him, you are often way wrong, and it makes you look the fool, and hurts your credibility.
This is about an anti-social icehole, plain and simple.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
if you dont agree with something then its not a good point fence rider
and anyone who doesnt see a monster racial angle in the vick dogfighting case is a complete moron...its permeated the whole thing since before his trail even
theres your problem casper, you always only comprehend what solidifies your points failing to see both sides
we're all used to it by now so no biggy
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
if you dont agree with something then its not a good point
Huh?
Sal Pal was on the radio today talking about how disgruntled all of Philadelphia was regarding the acquisition. He said that at the stadium a woman broke down in tears, and families were rushing out of the stadium vowing to cancel their season tickets.
Seriously, if that is true, that woman should be put down for being a pathetic farging loser.
I can't stand the lame reactions of girls I went to college with on facebook, posting how they will never watch or support the Eagles again. Memo to these losers: you never watched the Eagles anyway, and you didn't start watching the Phils until October.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
if you dont agree with something then its not a good point fence rider
This might be the dumbest farging thing anyone has ever said. The ability to think for yourself and understand the world around you is based on seeing different sides of things. You make a fool of yourself when you say shtein like this.
Dio makes a lot of good points, especially about IGY but especially about the rules for the rich and famous being vastly different than the rules for the poor. Having said that, I still lean more towards the Rome way of thinking. He's qualified to do one thing. That one thing happens to pay a lot. He should be given a second chance to prove that he has repented. If he fargs it up I'll be all over the farg-that-guy bandwagon but he should be given a chance. I just wish it was with another team.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2009, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
if you dont agree with something then its not a good point fence rider
This might be the dumbest farging thing anyone has ever said. The ability to think for yourself and understand the world around you is based on seeing different sides of things. You make a fool of yourself when you say shtein like this.
Dio makes a lot of good points, especially about IGY but especially about the rules for the rich and famous being vastly different than the rules for the poor. Having said that, I still lean more towards the Rome way of thinking. He's qualified to do one thing. That one thing happens to pay a lot. He should be given a second chance to prove that he has repented. If he fargs it up I'll be all over the farg-that-guy bandwagon but he should be given a chance. I just wish it was with another team.
I think it's a ridiculous point to be honest. The reason why the average joe doesn' get a second chance on par with Vick is the simple fact that they can't do what he does on a football field. Sorry, but that's life.
Quote from: bowzer on August 14, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
I think it's a ridiculous point to be honest. The reason why the average joe doesn' get a second chance on par with Vick is the simple fact that they can't do what he does on a football field. Sorry, but that's life.
That's a fine point for this one individual instance, but there are plenty of useless, talentless, worthless rich folks who get much different treatment from the law than their less affluent brethren.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 05:37:14 PM
you mean a 29 year old fresh off a two year bid at levenworth with no position isnt going to put the eagles over the top?
derrick burgess to help the non existent pass rush nope
tony gonzalez nope
pedal to the metal vick....YES!!
To get Burgess they were going to have to offer a 2nd most likely or a 3rd and a 4th. You were willing to give up either of that for a guy who is 30+ and who's sacks have consistently declined in a major way over the past 2 seasons? Not to mention he gets hurt all the time.
I swear if
we traded for him and he hurt his hamstring, you'd be the first to grill this team for the move.
Gonzalez I could agree on. Then again, we don't know that they didn't make an offer. Maybe they told the Eagles to top Atlanta's offer
we'd have to give up a first rounder.
The whole second chance thing is bullshtein.
If an icehole gets popped for stealing a car, he does his time, and then he gets another shot at life. The fact that he has no skills whatsoever going in and likely coming out means he needs to acquire skills to make a better life for himself. Vick clearly has skills and he has talents that allow him to be a millionaire overnight.
If that's a problem for some of you, then too farging bad. Learn how to make runway models dazzle for all I care... just shut the farg up about Vick not being able to use whatever discernible talents he has left to earn a living.
I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole PC yet but I liked what Vick had to say and I also loved Lurie's honesty. He said some things that had me going "damn, did he really say that out loud?"...not the normal cliche canned responses.
I'm starting to come around on this as well. But only if he's not used at QB.
My boy called me today and said he saw craiglist postings of people selling their tickets and jersey's and all that shtein. Any one of those iceholes who sells their seats or vows to never be an Eagle fan again can go rot in taterskin fan moral hell. That's ridiculous shtein.
My problem with Vick has always been that he was severely overrated as a QB by the media hype machine. Even on ESPN today some people were saying how teams had to respect his arm. That is wrong. No one ever respected him arm. It was always "stop his legs and win the game". I remember being nervous as hell prior to the 2004 NFCCG simply because of his running ability.
The guy pulled some bad shtein with the dogs. But he served his time and he sounds remorseful. He deserves a second chance. Like Goodell and Lurie and many others have said; this is his second chance and now it is up to him to take it and run or go down in flames.
QuoteChase Utley's wife could be a key player in the Vick saga
Posted by Mike Florio on August 14, 2009 7:15 PM ET
The Eagles' decision to sign quarterback Mike Vick is starting to create some negative consequences.
Phillies star Chase Utley's wife, Jennifer, is a board member of the Pennsylvania Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. She and other members of the group's leadership attempted to attend Friday's press conference introducing Vick, but security turned them away, according to FOX 29 in Philadelphia.
"We fight animal cruelty every day in this city," Jennifer Utley said.
The Pennsylvania SPCA also expressed disappointment that the Eagles didn't give them a head's up before signing Vick.
Said Jennifer Utley, apparently choosing her words carefully, "I think if you're planning on being conscious of a very sensitive issue, it might be positive to do that."
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Yeah, the Eagles should tell the SPCA what they're going to do. Come on.
QuoteFor Jeffrey Lurie, "never" was Thursday
Posted by Mike Florio on August 14, 2009 5:34 PM ET
In August 2007, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said that he'd "never" allow someone who was involved in dogfighting to play for the Eagles.
"Never" came Thursday.
"We're very disciplined in what we stand for," Lurie told reporters just over two years ago (via MDS of FanHouse, via an e-mail from a reader reminding us of the item). "Let me give you an example -- a few years ago we had a couple players who were . . . to put this nicely, not very respectful of their dogs. . . . Well, we don't respect that. We don't do that. And they were gone from the team almost immediately if not immediately. That sets a tone, that these kinds of attitudes are unacceptable."
Lurie reportedly was referring to former Eagles players Damon Moore and Thomas Hamner, who were charged with animal cruelty in 2001.
So what has caused Lurie to change his mind, and to embrace Vick without knowing whether the can still play like he did before his 30-month absence from the game?
At this point, it's anyone's guess. But we've got a feeling that Commissioner Roger Goodell was a lot more involved in encouraging team(s) to take a chance on Vick. Thus, regardless of how this thing works out in Philly, the league office now owes Lurie and the Eagles, big time.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2009, 12:42:18 AM
QuoteChase Utley's wife could be a key player in the Vick saga
Posted by Mike Florio on August 14, 2009 7:15 PM ET
The Eagles' decision to sign quarterback Mike Vick is starting to create some negative consequences.
Phillies star Chase Utley's wife, Jennifer, is a board member of the Pennsylvania Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. She and other members of the group's leadership attempted to attend Friday's press conference introducing Vick, but security turned them away, according to FOX 29 in Philadelphia.
"We fight animal cruelty every day in this city," Jennifer Utley said.
The Pennsylvania SPCA also expressed disappointment that the Eagles didn't give them a head's up before signing Vick.
Said Jennifer Utley, apparently choosing her words carefully, "I think if you're planning on being conscious of a very sensitive issue, it might be positive to do that."
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Yeah, the Eagles should tell the SPCA what they're going to do. Come on.
QuoteFor Jeffrey Lurie, "never" was Thursday
Posted by Mike Florio on August 14, 2009 5:34 PM ET
In August 2007, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said that he'd "never" allow someone who was involved in dogfighting to play for the Eagles.
"Never" came Thursday.
"We're very disciplined in what we stand for," Lurie told reporters just over two years ago (via MDS of FanHouse, via an e-mail from a reader reminding us of the item). "Let me give you an example -- a few years ago we had a couple players who were . . . to put this nicely, not very respectful of their dogs. . . . Well, we don't respect that. We don't do that. And they were gone from the team almost immediately if not immediately. That sets a tone, that these kinds of attitudes are unacceptable."
Lurie reportedly was referring to former Eagles players Damon Moore and Thomas Hamner, who were charged with animal cruelty in 2001.
So what has caused Lurie to change his mind, and to embrace Vick without knowing whether the can still play like he did before his 30-month absence from the game?
At this point, it's anyone's guess. But we've got a feeling that Commissioner Roger Goodell was a lot more involved in encouraging team(s) to take a chance on Vick. Thus, regardless of how this thing works out in Philly, the league office now owes Lurie and the Eagles, big time.
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Oh brother...Florio did some deep digging for that litttle barb. The Hamner affair was so long ago it's almost pitiful to think a man could not change his mind in eight years. Besides that guy couldn't playa ball so it was easy to make an example of him. Not sayin it's right...just sayin.
The one thing in the presser that kind of rubbed me the wrong way is when Dungy said the first thing he asked Vick was where the lord was in all of this? I wonder what Dungy would've done if Vick said he was an atheist. Would he have abandoned him or would he have made him start believing in god to start helping him?
If believing in the cotton candy man in the sky gets me back in the NFL then I'm lying my face off to Dungy.
Religion is an influence for plenty of intelligent people but it is absolutely a last refuge for the stupid. I'd say Vick falls squarely in the stupid category. There was little chance that he wouldn't gobble up Dungy's religious mumbo jumbo.
Quote
A letter from the Eagles to premium ticketholders
From Daily News
This is a letter sent yesterday by the Eagles to their suiteholders and premium ticketholders:
As you are aware, the Eagles confirmed last evening that we have signed Michael Vick to the team. You are our most valued customers and we understand that this decision may result in some personal soul searching for you, along with some public debate in the coming days and weeks. We do not want this to distract from the relationship we have with you, and we remain fully committed to putting the highest quality product on the field and delivering wins to Eagles fans.
We have seen a tremendous outpouring of support from fans, but we also acknowledge there are some people who will struggle with our decision to give Vick a second chance. I am attaching here a statement that Joe Banner our President, wanted to share specifically with you. Please connect with us directly with any questions or concerns you may have and we will help however we can.
"We appreciate that this a complicated and personal issue for many fans and Eagles partners and premium clients. It was complicated for us as well, and we sought the counsel of several quality character individuals when making this decision. Tony Dungy, Roger Goodell and the head of the National Humane Society have invested considerable time with Michael Vick and feel confident that we have made the right decision to give him a second chance.
"The ultimate decision upon us was this - if a person made a terrible mistake and then paid their debts to society, was deeply remorseful and turned their life around completely, and not only lives a life or virtue themselves but is investing time to make sure others don't make the same mistakes, would you be willing to help this human being move forward? Would you give them a second chance?
"We appreciate the complexity of this creates for some partners and premium clients and ask that you join us in our support and optimism for Michael as he commits himself to showing Philadelphia and the country he is a changed human being.
"I encourage you to visit philadelphiaeagles.com when you have a moment to watch the replay of the press conference which is happening today at 11 a.m. You will see the Michael we have come to know - someone who is remorseful and committed to showing everyone he has learned from his mistakes and that he is a changed person."
LOL - Banner? Really? That's the icehole you want relaying concerns to the muckety mucks?
God this team is nauseating.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2009, 12:12:35 AMMy problem with Vick has always been that he was severely overrated as a QB by the media hype machine. Even on ESPN today some people were saying how teams had to respect his arm. That is wrong. No one ever respected him arm. It was always "stop his legs and win the game". I remember being nervous as hell prior to the 2004 NFCCG simply because of his running ability.
He's the most overrated QB of all-time. Moreso than Eli Manning.
He's also 1000x better than Kolb (if Vick's anything like pre-prison form), and a physical freak who can be used all over the field. The only limit on what he can do is how many different plays and positions he can remember... he's probably the dumbest player the Eagles have had since Ryan Moats.
My new jersey:
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Quote from: QB Eagles on August 15, 2009, 09:20:34 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2009, 12:12:35 AMMy problem with Vick has always been that he was severely overrated as a QB by the media hype machine. Even on ESPN today some people were saying how teams had to respect his arm. That is wrong. No one ever respected him arm. It was always "stop his legs and win the game". I remember being nervous as hell prior to the 2004 NFCCG simply because of his running ability.
See... I think what people need to realize is that Vick isn't here to be a QB... at all. He's not here to drop back and throw the ball 20-30 times a game. He's here to be another athlete on the field for the Eagles O along with Westbrook, McCoy, Pimp, Maclin, Curtis, etc... The fact that he was a terrible QB and all that is pretty much irrelevant right now because he's not here to take away snaps from McNabb. Although if McNabb were to go down, I'd still take my chances with Vick waaaaaay before I handed the ball over to Kolb.
However, the fact that Vick was a QB plays in the Eagles favor because as inaccurate a passer he was, during a wildcat/gadget play, the defense will
still have to be weary of him pulling up and throwing the ball at any time (and let's be honest, Andy would be a fool if he didn't allow Vick to throw at times out of the wildcat). That little bit of hesitation could be all that Vick would need to make a big play with his feet. Then on those occasions, where a defender is preoccupied with Vick with the ball in his hands, that could easily allow for Pimp or somebody to break free for a big play through the air.
Guys like Vick are tailor made for that wildcat shtein. DH and I were talking the other day about that being the reason why Miami spent a 2nd rounder on Pat White. They see tons of possibilities of having a wildcat athlete who can throw the ball as well as run it. That's the thing the Eagles don't have with Pimp or Maclin, etc. Hopefully, Vick still has the athleticism to pull this off... he makes some higlight reel plays during the season and gets his trade value up nice and high for next offseason.
If he doesn't, he rots away on the bench for a year and the Eagles drop him having only spent $1.6 mil. Low risk, high reward.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 15, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
(and let's be honest, Andy would be a fool if he didn't allow Vick to throw at times out of the wildcat)
This sounds to me like you think there would be actual running plays.
Tweet from Brian Seltzer (950 ESPN):
QuoteMichael Vick a dead on accurate deep 45 YD spiral to Jeremy Maclin down sideline over Jack Ikegwuonu.
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there you go easy, doin yo thang
Supposedly he was catching a lot of passes in the practice, but not in any type of formations yet.
Wow, those pictures got me a lot more excited than they should have.
Did a little red knob pop out of your dick?
Phreak I think when they say you have to respect his arm it is the fact that he has a rocket launcher for an arm. Accuracy is a different story.
OK folks, where are the captions for those Vick's first day at practice shots? Need captions!
Quote from: NGM on August 15, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
Wow, those pictures got me a lot more excited than they should have.
Me too... almost made this whole thing more real.
Why am I starting to like this after being so pissed?
Peer pressure. You just want to be liked, so you're buying in. It's alright, you're only human.
I still hate the move, but wtf, it's done. I can't root for Vick, just as I couldn't TO, but I don't care enough to keep complaining.
Now I just hope it works out somehow and if it doesn't I'm gonna soak up the spectacle like a skink in the sun.
I don't think it's peer pressure at all. Phreak's his own man... he can think for himself. I think it's more of the initial shock/anger wearing off and people are starting to realize the help that Vick could be to this team offensively. In the end, most people want the Eagles to win... and if Vick can make that more likely, they'll get on board.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 16, 2009, 07:13:08 AM
I still hate the move, but wtf, it's done. I can't root for Vick, just as I couldn't TO, but I don't care enough to keep complaining.
Now I just hope it works out somehow and if it doesn't I'm gonna soak up the spectacle like a skink in the sun.
I don't buy the peer pressure theory, but I agree with the rest of this. Even the skink part and I don't even know what skinks are.
Is he even going to be able to play this season? What a gold standard this team has! HA!! Just goes to show you that Ried will get just about anything he can if it's on the cheap. Gold standard be damned!
Quote from: PPinDC on August 15, 2009, 03:09:52 PM
Supposedly he was catching a lot of passes in the practice, but not in any type of formations yet.
From what I've seen on the tube, he's working out strictly as a qb.
lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/mMNRoje5tYU
Here's another great one by Shango. The fun starts at 5:45 in:
http://www.youtube.com/v/Z-HIyfr94tg
I heart this man.
The second video was hilarious. The fact that the Eagles have weapons now aside from Westbrook and McNabb that scare the shtein out of rank & file Cowboys fans gives me a football stinger.
Lol!! Thats some funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmwS_oGBzxg&feature=channel
That might be the best one yet.
I was in the mountains all weekend and heard the news later. I'm just so shocked they signed him, and all this negative media that will come with him. At the same time though I found my trousers getting tight thinking about the sort of plays that they may be running. When I think of DJack, Westy, Vick, those guys all have game breaking abilities and can take it to the house at any moment of a game. With McNabb at the helm, Curtis, JMac, and McCoy all complimenting this offense suddenly sounds very scary. I was against it at first, but mostly because I could never wrap my brain around them actually making this move. Now that he's here and seeing those pics. Damn, I'm finally excited for some football again!
Who is Mike Vick? More importantly, does he pass the look test?
The look test for guys likely to impregnate a sixteen year old, sure.
After watching that interview I don't think for a second he's remorseful about anything except getting caught.
That said, I still don't give a shtein. I look forward to seeing him on the field and once he's retired or leaves the Eagles, he can get hit by a bus for all I care.
here's the 60 Minutes interview if anyone missed it (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5245553n)
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
After watching that interview I don't think for a second he's remorseful about anything except getting caught.
That was exactly my impression, and he gave himself away when he talked about what he was remorseful for - all the things he personally lost, and it didn't really hit him until the cell door shut. I wonder if Dungy and the Humane Society guy see this.
Vick has a blog (http://globalgrind.com/content/912587/Where-Do-I-Begin/)
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 16, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
After watching that interview I don't think for a second he's remorseful about anything except getting caught.
That was exactly my impression, and he gave himself away when he talked about what he was remorseful for - all the things he personally lost, and it didn't really hit him until the cell door shut. I wonder if Dungy and the Humane Society guy see this.
I don't know...I watched it.
Its fine by me if nothing hit him until the prison door shuts. That's what jail is SUPPOSED to do.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. "
Benjamin Franklin
Quote from: Dillen on August 16, 2009, 06:34:07 PM
Who is Mike Vick? More importantly, does he pass the look test?
POTY
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2009, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 16, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
After watching that interview I don't think for a second he's remorseful about anything except getting caught.
That was exactly my impression, and he gave himself away when he talked about what he was remorseful for - all the things he personally lost, and it didn't really hit him until the cell door shut. I wonder if Dungy and the Humane Society guy see this.
I don't know...I watched it.
Its fine by me if nothing hit him until the prison door shuts. That's what jail is SUPPOSED to do.
My point is that he had months and months of being held up to public ridicule and outrage and had a tidal wave of feedback as to exactly what people saw as heinous, but it apparently didn't really hit him until he finally got to prison.
Vick should be a great back-up to McNabb and I look forward to some of the trick plays if the fat man has the brains to use them.
The off the field stuff, who cares. I don't. He broke the law and paid the price. He does't owe me or my dog anything.
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 16, 2009, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2009, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 16, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 16, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
After watching that interview I don't think for a second he's remorseful about anything except getting caught.
That was exactly my impression, and he gave himself away when he talked about what he was remorseful for - all the things he personally lost, and it didn't really hit him until the cell door shut. I wonder if Dungy and the Humane Society guy see this.
I don't know...I watched it.
Its fine by me if nothing hit him until the prison door shuts. That's what jail is SUPPOSED to do.
My point is that he had months and months of being held up to public ridicule and outrage and had a tidal wave of feedback as to exactly what people saw as heinous, but it apparently didn't really hit him until he finally got to prison.
And for a lot of people, it doesn't. I don't fault him for that at all.
so what if it took him until he got to prison. its human nature to lie for almost everyone "until the cell door shuts". we see something illegal happening to a star, politician, sports figure practically every day...and guess what they lie.
Im not a fan of the guy one bit, never have been...but Im also able to keep an open mind on this and see if he can turn things around for the better. his job now is to score touchdowns not to keep apologizing
I read his blog; and to me that makes me think what he says is genuine. I absolutely understand what he means when he says he was numb to violence.
There were things that when I was in Iraq if you told me I would do them beforehand I would tell you that you were crazy. When you get put in a situation where things are taken away from you it gives you a whole new perspective on life.
We used to compare being in Iraq to being in prison. While we were there on basically our own "free will" once we got there we weren't. I was by no means an inmate, but in many ways I can relate and it definitely changes your outlook.
I love some of the comments from that link.
QuoteJust because a guy can run down a field or dribble a ball, does not make him honorable, smart or a candidate to be a role model for your child.
You know what? I don't even like Vick, but I'm sick of people thinking athletes should be role models. Have any of your kids started eating sunflower seeds because Westbrook eats them? Did anyone ever go ice fishing because Gary Anderson does it? Did anyone go out and farg a Filipino tranny because Magic Johnson got AIDS? Of course not.
I think we're well past the point of having to pretend these guys are useful for anything other than entertainment.
C'mon, there's no way Vick actually wrote that blog.
Doesn't really matter if he's remorseful or not though. Even if it's just for PR purposes, he has to go out there and do some good, and people will be watching him very closely to see if he fargs up.
PFT contacted Boyko and he confirmed Vick didn't write that
I am totally shocked.
http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Philadelphia-Eagles-Dog-Jersey-_1337666675_PD.html (http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Philadelphia-Eagles-Dog-Jersey-_1337666675_PD.html)
Hahaha! 7 should be the only number available for that. :-D
mike vick is an eagle :D
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20090818_Gonzo___Done_with_the_Birds__Prove_it.html
LOL at the comments.
Gonzo is the best.
QuoteReality Speaks 06:39 AM, 08/18/2009
You know what Gonzo, ease up man. Do you realize what you're calling people out on? It's called love...The behavior of the fans who are boycotting the Eagles or threatening to boycott is exactly the same reaction when one person betrays another. D*mn dude, calling these fans out? Ya gotta be kidding?...Answer me this, thinking back to a time in your life when you got into a bad fight w/ a girl you were with, isn't your initial reaction similar to what these fans are going through? Your hurt. You feel betrayed. You probably want to never see her again. Would you want your friends & family forcing you to live up to all the ideas you initially had about doing? I would guess you would say no...C'mon man, were all fans. Let us deal with this in our own way...For the record, I'm not jumping ship. BUT my focus right with the Eagles is to see if Vick does live up to his word. Than I can be at peace with this. In my opinion, moral ethics is more important than winning a trophy.
Lombardi Trophy? Not yet
Salary Cap Championship? Several
Moral Ethics Trophies? Gotta win one!
the irony is that the eagles have done nothing immoral
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Someone's been practicing their mspaint skills.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2009, 09:40:36 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20090818_Gonzo___Done_with_the_Birds__Prove_it.html
LOL at the comments.
Especially this one...
QuotePosted by the ghost of leonard tose 10:02 AM, 08/18/2009
anyone giving up on the birds planning on moving out of the country anytime soon since the US tortures actual human beings rather than animals?
Hmmm...
man i get 5 bad comments for making a joke about fishtown and lookie here. people are idiots.
I love it... these idiots get offended because others point out that they're talking outta their asses.
how old is Vick? i wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles are going to use the last two years of Donovan's contract to get Vick ready to be the starter in 2011
my guess is Donovan is going to have a good year this year, Vick is used sparingly but effective enough to gain attention from around the league and the eagles use him as trade bait for next year
no way banner and co. pays him that loot next year
Quote from: SunMo on August 19, 2009, 10:06:21 AM
how old is Vick? i wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles are going to use the last two years of Donovan's contract to get Vick ready to be the starter in 2011
Vick is three or four years younger than McNabb. While I wouldn't put it past the Eagles to do something like that, I don't know why they'd bother. McNabb hasn't lost any arm strength, and still moves around behind the line better than most.
Quote from: SunMo on August 19, 2009, 10:06:21 AM
how old is Vick? i wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles are going to use the last two years of Donovan's contract to get Vick ready to be the starter in 2011
i mentioned last week half jokingly that dungy takes over for andy in two years and coaches vick
the other half is that they probably got him simply because its a move that comes with no downside and acquires a very talented player
Vick also did poorly as a WCO QB for 2 or 3 yrs
Quote from: reese125 on August 19, 2009, 10:11:24 AM
my guess is Donovan is going to have a good year this year, Vick is used sparingly but effective enough to gain attention from around the league and the eagles use him as trade bait for next year
no way banner and co. pays him that loot next year
That's exactly what it is. Ideally, the Eagles want him to make a few "highlight reel" plays during the course of the season to get everyone all excited about seeing him again... and then ship him off to the Raiders next offseason for a top 10 pick.
i think you guys are looking way to much into this...the chances that vick creates some sort of huge market for himself this year and moreso that the eagles have some master plan to gain a draft pick out of all this is imo pretty far fetched
to take the PR hit they have and to bring the kind of attention they so surely despise all for a potential draft pick is not realistic...they did this for one reason to win a superbowl this year and they believe they have a plan where vick can help them do that
I think its both.
They want to win, and its obvious that is the main factor because why else would a team who has been wary of the risky signings step out of their comfort zone?
But they also hoard draft picks like crazy, so I think the 2yr deal allows them control of that so they can trade him.
Kevin Kolb, sadly, is still the future at QB.
if kolb is qbing in 2 years i move to texas and am your butt boy for life
Thanks for the offer...but I'll pass. As tempting as it is, I will continue to be hetero.
But I'm sure there are some gays here who would love a crack at a skinny jew from Philly
basically im saying there is no shot kolb is the starting qb. he sucks and everyone knows it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2009, 11:49:48 AM
I think its both.
They want to win, and its obvious that is the main factor because why else would a team who has been wary of the risky signings step out of their comfort zone?
But they also hoard draft picks like crazy, so I think the 2yr deal allows them control of that so they can trade him.
Kevin Kolb, sadly, is still the future at QB.
i think the two years coincides with andys contract not as a means to get a draft pick for him...basically reid is going for it all in that two yeah window before his deal is up....
and if vick is somehow a stud this year in however they are going to use him then he will be on the team next year not traded...which is also why his money next year is five mil and only one mil this year
why would you trade him next year if he becomes a valuable player this year if youre trying to win a superbowl before reid and mcnabb break up and/or both depart...it just doesnt add up
Over/Under on opposing teams playing "Who let the dogs out" I'll set the line at 4...
under
Park Ave will see to it that none of that shtein happens
Fans are going to have signs taken, be kicked out of games, etc.
Watch
Quote from: RezRob on August 19, 2009, 03:23:55 PM
Over/Under on opposing teams playing "Who let the dogs out" I'll set the line at 4...
Actually, I would not be surprised if Goodell sends a memo to all the teams the Eagles are playing to NOT play that song.
where did you ever get an idea like that
After the Bucs played Rock You Like a Hurricane when they hosted the Saints, I think the NFL might be a little more strict about what songs are played. Still, that doesn't prevent fans from barking outside of Cleveland.
Dicks says no to Vicks....jerseys (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090820_Dick_s_won_t_stock_Vick_jerseys.html)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 20, 2009, 08:49:31 AM
Dicks says no to Vicks....jerseys (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090820_Dick_s_won_t_stock_Vick_jerseys.html)
"Right now we don't know how much of a demand there is for" the jersey, Dick's chief marketing officer, Jeff Hennion, said in a prepared statement. "If there is a demand for it, we'll sell it."lol way to take a strong stand
in other words...."If everyone else is making bank on them...we'll start carrying them...protesters be damned"
pretty much no different than not carrying moises fokou jerseys until a demand for them warrants it
Cowboys fans talking about how wrong the Eagles are to bring in Vick are just about the dumbest people alive.
when and if i ever meet a cowboy fan from texas i might care what they have to say
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2009, 12:24:28 PM
when and if i ever meet a cowboy fan from texas i might care what they have to say
Good point...this one is a Flyers and Phillies fan. From Cherry Hill.
thanks for ruining my lunch
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
thanks for ruining my lunch
paying you back for the hundreds you've ruined for me, sweet cheeks
Sweet cheeks?
Sugar buns?
hood chedder?
penis pastrami?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 20, 2009, 09:08:43 AM
in other words...."If everyone else is making bank on them...we'll start carrying them...protesters be damned"
From Yahoo Sports--on the subject of the coprorate sponsors backing the Eagles---
Vick's replica Eagles jersey, which retails for $79.99, was the top seller on NFLShop.com as of Wednesday. Jersey maker Reebok did not return calls for comment.
Can he play DE or LB?
QuoteBar won't show games with Vick
The Michael Vick backlash has stretched all the way to a sports bar in Northern Idaho.
Steve Coffman, who owns Slates Prime Time Grill and Sports Bar in Sandpoint, said he is boycotting the Eagles and its corporate sponsors — including the makers of both Coors and Miller beer — until the team releases Vick, according to the Bonner County Daily Bee.
Coffman has already sent emails to the NFL, the Eagles and a number of corporate sponsors with the goal of getting Vick out of the league.
"I've just about had it," he told the newspaper. "When you look at some of these sports players and what they do and what they get away with ... and we as consumers just seem to turn a blind eye every time this goes on. I think I've just reached a point where I said, 'I've had enough of this.'"
The bar will no longer show Eagles games and no longer serve Coors Light, its most popular beer.
"I think I have to just make a stand, even though we're way up here in northern Idaho," he said. "Hopefully, a lot more businesses and bar owners are going to make that same stand."
Bahahahaha... I wonder if that douchebag sells burgers at his restaurant?
pfft...like Idaho is even a state
MA!!
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
Bahahahaha... I wonder if that douchebag sells burgers at his restaurant?
No, but I hear the veal is outstanding.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
QuoteBar won't show games with Vick
The Michael Vick backlash has stretched all the way to a sports bar in Northern Idaho.
Steve Coffman, who owns Slates Prime Time Grill and Sports Bar in Sandpoint, said he is boycotting the Eagles and its corporate sponsors — including the makers of both Coors and Miller beer — until the team releases Vick, according to the Bonner County Daily Bee.
Coffman has already sent emails to the NFL, the Eagles and a number of corporate sponsors with the goal of getting Vick out of the league.
"I've just about had it," he told the newspaper. "When you look at some of these sports players and what they do and what they get away with ... and we as consumers just seem to turn a blind eye every time this goes on. I think I've just reached a point where I said, 'I've had enough of this.'"
The bar will no longer show Eagles games and no longer serve Coors Light, its most popular beer.
"I think I have to just make a stand, even though we're way up here in northern Idaho," he said. "Hopefully, a lot more businesses and bar owners are going to make that same stand."
Bahahahaha... I wonder if that douchebag sells burgers at his restaurant?
I didn't realize Vick got away with anything. If memory serves, he was punished in accordance to the law.
Even if he runs the most popular bar in all of Idaho, I doubt his boycotts impact any of the Eagles sponsors' bottom line.
MUSTARD TIGER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz1W38ilefg)
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
QuoteBar won't show games with Vick
The Michael Vick backlash has stretched all the way to a sports bar in Northern Idaho.
Steve Coffman, who owns Slates Prime Time Grill and Sports Bar in Sandpoint, said he is boycotting the Eagles and its corporate sponsors — including the makers of both Coors and Miller beer — until the team releases Vick, according to the Bonner County Daily Bee.
Coffman has already sent emails to the NFL, the Eagles and a number of corporate sponsors with the goal of getting Vick out of the league.
"I've just about had it," he told the newspaper. "When you look at some of these sports players and what they do and what they get away with ... and we as consumers just seem to turn a blind eye every time this goes on. I think I've just reached a point where I said, 'I've had enough of this.'"
The bar will no longer show Eagles games and no longer serve Coors Light, its most popular beer.
"I think I have to just make a stand, even though we're way up here in northern Idaho," he said. "Hopefully, a lot more businesses and bar owners are going to make that same stand."
Bahahahaha... I wonder if that douchebag sells burgers at his restaurant?
yeah, vick totally got away with it.
he committed a dispicable crime and spent almost 2 yrs in fed prison. he's paid his debt to society and if the league feels inclined to reinstate him fully, then that's a league decision.
goodell could still decide to suspend vick for the year. or for 2 years. or for life. it's his league and his call.
its incidents like this that make me love the vick signing.
he got away with it in the sense that anyone else who acted like him, did what he did, was as obviously stupid as he is, would not be welcomed back into their former careers like this. The question isn't whether or not he served the time the law allowed, the question is how come the rest of us don't get the same second chance?
Because he can throw a football is the correct answer by logic, but there's something very farged up with that fact.
Leavenworth is the Club Med of medium security federal prisons.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 21, 2009, 04:09:41 PM
he got away with it in the sense that anyone else who acted like him, did what he did, was as obviously stupid as he is, would not be welcomed back into their former careers like this.
That depends. Anyone caught running a gambling ring would probably never leave the organized crime family they were in. Anyone caught killing dogs would probably be welcome back to his job as a horse sperm collector.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
That depends. Anyone caught running a gambling ring would probably never leave the organized crime family they were in. Anyone caught killing dogs would probably be welcome back to his job as a horse sperm collector.
wtf?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 21, 2009, 04:03:28 PM
MUSTARD TIGER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz1W38ilefg)
dude what that is that from?! :-D
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
That depends. Anyone caught running a gambling ring would probably never leave the organized crime family they were in. Anyone caught killing dogs would probably be welcome back to his job as a horse sperm collector.
wtf?
Somebody has to collect samples to prove virility.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 21, 2009, 04:09:41 PM
he got away with it in the sense that anyone else who acted like him, did what he did, was as obviously stupid as he is, would not be welcomed back into their former careers like this. The question isn't whether or not he served the time the law allowed, the question is how come the rest of us don't get the same second chance?
Because he can throw a football is the correct answer by logic, but there's something very farged up with that fact.
if me or you got caught running a dog fighting ring we probably wouldnt do a day in jail
the rich and famous certainly have an advantage in the quality of the defense they can put together but in many cases including this one they are made an example of and not only face a harsher punishment but also the public scrutiny and vitriol after they pay their dues....it goes both ways
vick has this attached to his name his wifes name and his kids names for the rest of their lives...they will never get away from it till the day they die...something that would never happen to any of us
Why did he also decide to stop selling his most popular beer?
Where is the connection btw vick and coors light?
Coors Brewing Co. is one of the Eagles' sponsors. He's boycotting the Eagles by not showing any of their games in his sports bars plus not selling any product whose parent company does business with the Birds.
In other words, he's using this for publicity for his zesty little bar.
I hope it burns to the ground with him in it.
(http://www.slatesprimetime.com/aboutus_files/blocks_image_0_1.png)
Log Cabin? Really??
Quote from: mussa on August 21, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 21, 2009, 04:03:28 PM
MUSTARD TIGER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz1W38ilefg)
dude what that is that from?! :-D
Trailer Park Boys... a canadian comedy that is funny as hell.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
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Log Cabin? Really??
looks new, and there is a very good chance he's going to lose the business and this is his last hurrah
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 04:24:59 PMif me or you got caught running a dog fighting ring we probably wouldnt do a day in jail
I'm white with no record so you're probably right. You're white but you talk like an ass, so you would probably not pass go.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
That depends. Anyone caught running a gambling ring would probably never leave the organized crime family they were in. Anyone caught killing dogs would probably be welcome back to his job as a horse sperm collector.
wtf?
Somebody has to collect samples to prove virility.
It's a dirty job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJieLiOGj_M), but somebody has to do it!
(NSFW if they are against horse pr0n)
Equus fans need not click that link.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 21, 2009, 05:27:36 PM
looks new, and there is a very good chance he's going to lose the business and this is his last hurrah
he lives in Idaho, and is taking a stand against a mean colored, you think he's going to lose business?
I think what he's suggesting is, this guy may already be losing his business, so he has nothing to lose by this stunt...
but I could be misunderstanding him. dude is often incoherent and I'm no picture of sobriety myself.
i just wanted to use colored in a sentence, in the 6 o'clock hour
lol
farg I'm late....
Notice how he's not boycotting the entire NFL, just the Eagles? Kinda interesting considering without the NFL's approval Vick wouldn't be playing at all.
And here's his website if anyone wants to get creative:
http://www.slatesprimetime.com/aboutus.html
This guy has it all figured out. He doesn't hate the NFL for allowing him back into the league, but he hates the Eagles for making a perfectly legal acquisition. You can't beat the logic.
I sent him an email. I'm sure his response will be top notch.
the town the bar is in has a population of 638
I got an e-mail from NFL.com saying the Vick jersey is on back order so I canceled it. I'll get one when I get to Philly.
I assume the Mexico jerseys are even harder to come by.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 21, 2009, 06:22:20 PM
I think what he's suggesting is, this guy may already be losing his business, so he has nothing to lose by this stunt...
but I could be misunderstanding him. dude is often incoherent and I'm no picture of sobriety myself.
true, Dio is my Doppleganger
The patrons of that place are likely members of some militia. Who is this guy trying to fool?
if signing Vick means all the band wagon wine and cheese fans jump ship it may be the best signing of all time.
I think that post may have totally turned this into something I like.
Enough of the St. Louis type fans down at The Linc. You know the type...Mr. Mainline who has his McNabb jersey over his Cutter & Buck polo and tucked into his jeans.
Quote from: MURP on August 22, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
if signing Vick means all the band wagon wine and cheese fans jump ship it may be the best signing of all time.
Holy shtein. My brain just assploded.
Quote from: MURP on August 22, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
if signing Vick means all the band wagon wine and cheese fans jump ship it may be the best signing of all time.
my thoughts exactly
The New York Post is trying to stir up shtein by saying that Vick violated the terms of his reinstatement by drinking alcohol in public, which it's not even clear he's actually prohibited from doing.
jesus christ the guy can't even drink at a restaurant/bar. this is getting ridiculous
I don't think a bar counts as public, no?
regardless. its fargin stupid. what does alcohol have to do with killings dogs? unless the guy is a drunk i have a hard time believing they can tell him when and where he can drink booze.
vick needs to be smart enough to realize that there is a media shtein storm around him right now and will be for quite some time and that the last thing he needs to do is give people anything to talk about. in other words, he needs to get up in the morning and go to work and then go home. if he wants to have a few drinks, then call some bitches and get drunk at home.
Those bitches had better be at least 21 years old and not coked up.
lol @ "bitches".
i knew romey would get it.
I think that drinking in public is illegal, and I think that all illegal acts are usually against your parole/probation and depending on what it is the judge can violate your ass back to prison. So basically, when on release, don't break the law.
Vick appearance on Family Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zvU6CONntI)
forgot about this until they showed it a few minutes ago
and on facebook
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Dungy talking about the Grey Goose and pineapple:
Quote"Michael, you can't do that."
It's like he's 5
i was drinking goose and pineapple at the bar last weekend...and on sat tanqeray and pineapple
me and vickster be BALLIN!!!
Femme style.
Quote from: methdeez on August 23, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
I think that drinking in public is illegal, and I think that all illegal acts are usually against your parole/probation and depending on what it is the judge can violate your ass back to prison. So basically, when on release, don't break the law.
that seems rather harsh
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 25, 2009, 02:27:02 AM
Quote from: methdeez on August 23, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
I think that drinking in public is illegal, and I think that all illegal acts are usually against your parole/probation and depending on what it is the judge can violate your ass back to prison. So basically, when on release, don't break the law.
that seems rather harsh
Being
drunk in public is illegal, I don't think drinking is. But............it might be against his probabtion.
Folks, I simply meant "public" to mean visible to members of the general public, not out in the street or in a public commons where drinking is indeed illegal. I have to stop this aspect of the discussion before it becomes more retarded.
The New York Post reported it as if there was an agreement between Vick and the league that he would not drink alcohol, period. If he was not doing so in an area visible to the general public, no one would know about it.
The main point of my post was that the New York Post is making shtein up to go after Vick, as no such agreement existed.
Rupert Murdoch is making things up?
I don't believe it.
Quote from: methdeez on August 23, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
I think that drinking in public is illegal, and I think that all illegal acts are usually against your parole/probation and depending on what it is the judge can violate your ass back to prison. So basically, when on release, don't break the law.
No, drinking in public is not illegal, public drunkenness is.
And Vick had no rule about drinking, so its all a moot point.
You're all really really great. Really.
Everyone should drink all the time
what a brutal last page and a half
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
the town the bar is in has a population of 638
Word I did too...childish fun
When Vick plays Thursday I hope he throws for two and runs for one. That would be the awesomest.
NAACP, Black Clergy, and other minority organizations planning a major demonstration outside the game tomorrow to SUPPORT Vick.
ew boy
not helping
i didnt know the ncaa had its own police force
i hope you fall into a fire
pumpkin?
:banana:
So I guess Mondesire finds Vick is black enough....unlike McNabb.
shhhhh.....the vick thing has nothing to do with race
The NAACP ought to close up shop, what a joke they've become.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 26, 2009, 05:44:03 PM
The NAACP ought to close up shop, what a joke they've become.
ding, ding, ding.... we have a winner.
I know someone inside the national headquarters of that organization who works with the leadership directly and sees the most ridiculous shtein imaginable on a daily basis. It's run by people with the mindset of small town politicians. Idiots.
Once great, now awful.
guy just called wip and said theres already a bunch of people down at the linc
The groundskeepers?
i hope to god we get to see these flags getting beat up on tv tonight. DieHard, hope you have some rotten eggs ready
the righteous indignation on the radio is sickening
what % of the people who call up and say they gave up their season tickets
A. had season tickets to begin with
B. gave them up if they did have them
i put it at
A. 4%
B. 0%
"Gave up" their season tickets = "sold" their season tickets.
At a profit. And will still go to any division games. And playoff games. And will still have them next year.
in other words the same thing they did last year
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2009, 09:43:41 AM
the righteous indignation on the radio is sickening
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 27, 2009, 09:40:06 AM
i hope to god we get to see these flags getting beat up on tv tonight. DieHard, hope you have some rotten eggs ready
You two are awful cute ;D
flip you.....flip you fa real
No. I know these two from elsewhere.
super
welcome to hell Fl
flip mode
bankruptcy plan given the green light (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4425724)
Sal Pal says he'll be playing in the first quarter
So we can look forward to QB controversy discussions popping up no matter how or where he plays, right?
Kensington making Philly look good again (http://www.the700level.com/2009/08/michael-vick-mural-depicts-him-killing-a-puppy-wearing-a-cowboys-jersey.html)
actually thats pretty awesome
LOL
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/SPCAGAT26_20090826-103602/288398/ (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/SPCAGAT26_20090826-103602/288398/)
Quote from: phattymatty on August 27, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
LOL
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/SPCAGAT26_20090826-103602/288398/ (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/SPCAGAT26_20090826-103602/288398/)
:-D how the farg do you not know there is a dog in your car?
How does a 16-yr old deaf and blind mutt laying in the back of a station wagon get someone's attention? A loud thud after a sharp turn?
Old people, animals breath really loud, nasal/breathing issues.
:-D at the loud thud
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 27, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
Kensington making Philly look good again (http://www.the700level.com/2009/08/michael-vick-mural-depicts-him-killing-a-puppy-wearing-a-cowboys-jersey.html)
GO ESCSQDS!!
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He said in the postgame that he's only at 70%
Is that his new Madden speed? Man, what a terrible signing.
I liked what I saw...
And I hope the toolbags chanting "WE WANT VICK" after McNabb's pick were raped afterwards.
i hope andy reid was raped for that abortion of an offense with random vick shotgun plays and mcnabb lining up as wr. go od on britt's heroin you fat farg.
Quote from: MDS on August 28, 2009, 02:31:42 AM
i hope andy reid was raped for that abortion of an offense with random vick shotgun plays and mcnabb lining up as wr. go od on britt's heroin you fat farg.
Hopefully Reid will get it out of his system by the regular season.
the most amazing thing about the whole night was when mcnabb was asked in the post game presser if it was difficult switching on and off with vick and splitting out...
he seemed upset about...said it was "tough" and basically blamed vick (not vick himself but the packages) being in there for the offense not having any rhythm...this is from the farging guy who went out of the way to get vick here and giving that interview where he said he could be anywhere on any play and he can get off press coverage ect ect ect...
i coudlnt believe he actually said that
the guy is strange, no other way to put it
McNabb is right
Hes basically saying what jackass of a coach subs out qbs play by play?
McNabb is not the most accurate as it is, so not getting him in any kind of rhythm would be killer for that offense.
I'm sure it really helped Vick get into rhythm for all those shovel passes.
Quote from: reese125 on August 28, 2009, 09:40:05 AM
McNabb is right
Hes basically saying what jackass of a coach subs out qbs play by play?
its not about whether hes right or not
the point is that less than two weeks ago mcnabb was literally giddy about doing exactly what they did last night...so whos the jackass?
Quote
McNabb also elaborated on several other topics, reiterating that he's not threatened by Michael Vick's spot on the team and that he wouldn't have a problem sitting on the sideline for a handful of snaps – or moving to another position – while Vick plays QB.
"I'll be a receiver. I might be a tight end. I might be a running back," McNabb said. "You never know where I'll be. Hey, I can get off press coverage."
mcnabb said that comment with the biggest grin and couldnt of been more facetious
and when you think about it..would any defensive corner really be threatened if they saw a fat McNabb split out wide or even Vick for that matter? jail or not..you dont just step on the field and beat press coverage...hell...95% of the leagues wr's cant beat the press
the press coverage was him trying to be funny...the rest was 100% serious...hes said it on numerous occasions...he even has said that when trying to get reid to take a chance on vick he threw out all the possibilities of different formations and the like
its not even the point whether hes right or wrong or that it probably was tough for him...after all it doesnt take much to throw him off his game...i just dont get why he would say that publically four seconds after the first time vick has ever been in the lineup...then again hes never been very smart in the PR department
I mean you heard the standing ovation for this guy...let Mcnabb pull a Cincinnati again this year and see where this qb controversy thing goes
I still think its going to get ugly from a media standpoint...and it will only take 2 bad games from mcnabb (which we usually always see) and one good 1/2 game from vick.
and thats the irony of it all...that he was the one who pushed for all this
there is going to be over blown media shtein all year with this team. get used to it
I'm a little disappointed that Vick's one real pass didn't spark up the controversy yet.
The thing is with the whole Vick situation is that during real games he may only get in there 6 plays the whole game. Last night it was all in one quarter, I understand what McNabb was saying. But it definitely looks bad/weird. I am kind of surprised that ESPN wasn't making more of a big deal about it.
It was stupid all around. McNabb takes forever and a half to stop throwing bad passes even when he's throwing 12 out of the first 15 plays. Now you're going to bring out Vick and the Mad Dog offense just for the sake of having him out there? I mean, if Vick actually threw more than one real pass I could understand it a little. Maybe next week they'll let him (meaning Vick) play a quarter or two without the constant substituting.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2009, 10:17:55 AM
the press coverage was him trying to be funny...the rest was 100% serious...hes said it on numerous occasions...he even has said that when trying to get reid to take a chance on vick he threw out all the possibilities of different formations and the like
its not even the point whether hes right or wrong or that it probably was tough for him...after all it doesnt take much to throw him off his game...i just dont get why he would say that publically four seconds after the first time vick has ever been in the lineup...then again hes never been very smart in the PR department
His point was it was tough to get the offense clicking with all the switching going on. The way the offense was playing, they needed less trickery and more regular shtein.
I doubt he was ripping Vick. But they did show a clip on ESPN where he did the whole "cut it out" gesture when he came to the sidelines.
But he's right...screw the trickery. Get the damn offense right before you mess with all that shtein. If Reid wants to get Vick acclimated then he should do it later in the game.
This is the "dress rehearsal" game, so using him that much didn't make sense. It was nice to see Reid so committed to the run last night. :-X
I'm not getting too involved in all this crap. We are talking about an exhibition afterall. We'll see what happens.
I think it's safe to say that McNabb is an odd one though.
also: this was the last post I could see without hitting "quote" to find the rest.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2009, 11:21:30 AMIt was stupid all around.....
i have no problem with andy doing it...he wanted to get vick some run with the ones and he wanted the rest of the league to see that it could happen even if it never does
if he does the yo yo thing in the regular season then we might have a valid concern....and of all people donovan should know this...which is what makes his comments so puzzling
and lol @ donovan or anyone talking about his rhythm being thrown off in a preseason game...who the farg cares...theres many more important big picture items to worry about than his rhythm last night....as if the first two games when vick wasnt there he was in a zone or something
if donovan didnt play a down this whole preseason it wouldnt matter
if donovan didnt dress like tim the toolman taylor in his post game presser id feel a lot better
Am I the only one who thinks Vick would be more of a threat at WR than McNabb? Not that either is really a threat, but come on...
Mcnabb looked as fast as I've ever seen him last night...probably rookie-year-esque.
I wouldn't say rookie year, but he def did look like the mcnabb or 4-5 years ago. go back and watch early highlights. he was way faster
I was watching the game last night and every time I saw shots of McNabb & Reid I kept wishing the fat one would die of a heart attack and the other would get Stingley'd right then and there.
I never thought it would come to this but I can't wait until both of them are gone for good.
Trade the clown, fire the father of the year and move the farg on...
PS: I wonder if Donnie's feelings got hurt when Vick got the standing ovation?
People obsess way too much about McNabb. Although I suppose I could replace the name McNabb in that sentence with the phrase "any starting quarterback ever."
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
People obsess way too much about McNabb.
Agreed.
WTF people, get a grip.
all i said was he needs to get paralyzed on the field.
i don't think that's obsessive at all.
Quote from: mussa on August 28, 2009, 05:13:58 PM
go back and watch early highlights. he was way faster
he looks really slow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDRl0jf2H8)
If only he could have combined that elusiveness with some accuracy and an iron stomach.
Quote from: Rome on August 28, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
all i said was he needs to get paralyzed on the field.
i don't think that's obsessive at all.
Longing for the days of Rhodes and Peete, eh?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2009, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 28, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
all i said was he needs to get paralyzed on the field.
i don't think that's obsessive at all.
Longing for the days of Rhodes and Peete Ty Detmer Bobby Hoying Koy Detmer Doug Pederson, eh?
People have very short memories.
I'm longing for a Super Bowl win same as I have been since he was drafted. Silly me.
Quote from: Munson on August 29, 2009, 04:30:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2009, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 28, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
all i said was he needs to get paralyzed on the field.
i don't think that's obsessive at all.
Longing for the days of Rhodes and Peete Ty Detmer Bobby Hoying Koy Detmer Doug Pederson, eh?
People have very short memories.
lol....other than possibly pederson your age was literally in single digits for every other one of those guys...in short....shut the farg up pissant
and phreak youre better than the average mcnabb apologist...you know that not having mcnabb doesnt = having rodney peete
not to mention i dont think romey was in any way saying mcnabb isnt a good quarterback...rather that he annoys him and would like to see him dead
if i wasn't clear enough initially, i'll say it again... i'm sick of his buffoonery both on and off the field. i'm sick of the choke jobs in the playoffs, i'm sick of the worm burners, and to a much lesser extent i'm tired of him not doing whatever it takes to win. but mostly i'm sick of not flying up to philly in february to partake in a super bowl victory parade.
until he actually gets it together and wins a super bowl, i'll be just plain sick of his shenanigans.
Quote from: Rome on August 29, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
I'm longing for a Super Bowl win same as I have been since he was drafted. Silly me.
And I'll put most of that blame on his head coach/GM/fatfarg
Personally, I blame Feva & DieHard because they're Mets fans.
IN
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: Munson on August 29, 2009, 04:30:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2009, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rome on August 28, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
all i said was he needs to get paralyzed on the field.
i don't think that's obsessive at all.
Longing for the days of Rhodes and Peete Ty Detmer Bobby Hoying Koy Detmer Doug Pederson, eh?
People have very short memories.
lol....other than possibly pederson your age was literally in single digits for every other one of those guys...in short....shut the farg up pissant
and phreak youre better than the average mcnabb apologist...you know that not having mcnabb doesnt = having rodney peete
not to mention i dont think romey was in any way saying mcnabb isnt a good quarterback...rather that he annoys him and would like to see him dead
You are bad at math, as Peete was the only one I was in single digits for.
And who gives a farg how old I was? I still remember it, quite well. I still remember the play Peete dropped back and tore up his knee when he tried to plant.
Of course not having McNabb doesn't = having rodney peete, but finding a new franchise QB is about as easy as...well, winning a super bowl. It's not. We as fans are lucky we've got a guy that gives the Eagles a legit chance every year, instead of the dolphins/jets/taterskins/kansas city/etc and so on, who have been shuffling QB after QB for god knows how long. I don't care how old I was from 97-99....I still remember how much it sucked.
lol at the 'chance to win ever year' joe banner minister of information bullshtein.
i would have gladly given up every winning year they had during Reid's tenure in exchange for a single super bowl win and anyone who says different is a farging retard.
So would I. And having McNabb at QB makes it a hell of a lot more realistic then going with some journeyman vet or hoping Reid gets lucky and drafts a Flacco/Ryan, and not a Alex Smith/Matt Leinart.
McNabb has had five cracks at merely winning the NFCCG and walked away with just one win. How many more shots is that buffoon going to get before the Eagles turn the page and try another tack?
Quote from: Rome on August 29, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
McNabb has had five cracks at merely winning the NFCCG and walked away with just one win. How many more shots is that buffoon going to get before the Eagles turn the page and try another tack?
are you really putting it all on him? don't get me wrong, mcnabb has had some terrible performances in the post season but that's only a part of the problem. the defense, wide receivers and running game have all been problematic in one nfccg or another.
even though i'm a fan of mcnabb and think that he does have what it takes to win a sb, i can certainly understand why people would want to see a change at qb.......
IF the eagles had a suitable replacement for him. do you really think kevin kolb is the answer? i doubt you do. what about vick? do you really think vick can take this team further than mcnabb can? even before vick went to prison he wasn't half the qb that dmac is so after 18 months away from the game there's absolutely no way that anyone can think that vick is the better choice.
the day that mcnabb is no longer the starting qb for the eagles is the day that this team goes into full fledged rebuilding mode and if we're lucky, maybe we only have to wait 3 years to field a competetive team again.
Quote from: Rome on August 29, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
McNabb has had five cracks at merely winning the NFCCG and walked away with just one win. How many more shots is that buffoon going to get before the Eagles turn the page and try another tack?
you would do best not to seriously discuss football with 19 year old trailer park chain smoking refugees from delaware
i learned this a long time ago
The primary problem has never been McNabb. Even with his inaccuracy and poor decision making, the problem has always been the weapons around him. It showed pretty clearly when he had one at receiver. This year I'm willing to buy into the speed hype on offense, but I still don't think there's the talent around him to make Reid's genius gameplan work.
i had to deal with more michael vick questions tonight at the bar than you could possibly believe. what really pissed off people is the fact that i was 100% in support of vick no matter what they said. if someone brought up the dogs, i'd say the dogs had it coming. if someone brought up his zesty pass completion percentage, i'd blame it on atlanta's offensive system.
in short, it was awesome.
i can't wait for the season to start.
redi and/or mcnabb have no excuse this year....this offense should put up mad points...in the end they will lose because the defense is terrible...but if mcnabb doesnt put up the best numbers of his career then something is wrong....this offense should work the whole field all season long
His best numbers won't mean shtein if the defense doesn't hold up its end of the bargain. Or if Peters continues to be a revolving door at left tackle.
built in excuse a decade into your career is $$$$
McNabb's pretty good at avoiding trouble, but from what we've seen so far Peters is going to get him crippled.
so stud left and right tackles for a decade werent good enough?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
redi and/or mcnabb have no excuse this year....this offense should put up mad points...in the end they will lose because the defense is terrible...but if mcnabb doesnt put up the best numbers of his career then something is wrong....this offense should work the whole field all season long
i agree that the offense should be very potent and that the outcome of this season lies mostly in the hands of the defense. but i don't know if this will be a "career" year for dmac. his numbers in 04 were amazing and even though he has better players to throw to this year, i don't know if he'll be able to top 2004. but your point still holds water.
you make a valid point...this offense lacks an untouchable force like TO (unless pimp develops like he should) but still look around...weapons are everywhere...donovan should douche defensive pussssies this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
so stud left and right tackles for a decade werent good enough?
It was great. In fact, it allowed him to wait all day for mediocre receivers to get open. Hopefully this year's receivers will get open quicker, since there's no way McNabb will have that much time.
i think i see which way this is going
Pass pass pass punt?
The offense should be awesome.
Problem is, the OL is hot garbage.
And when the OL was great, the skill positions were trash.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2009, 12:29:38 AM
Pass pass pass punt?
i was thinking....
brad edwards - fans booing - zesty wr's - no pass rush - no pass protection - jake delohomme - WIP - tom brady - bad tackles this year - bad recievers the other year - kurt warner - no running game - injuries - andy reid - mean media - todd pinkston - rush limbaugh - kevin cobb
did i leave anything out im sure you and phreak can come up with something
you forgot blaine bishop, rhonde barber and joe jurivicious.
and the dirty 30 - TO - bill belichek and dropped passes
Ricky Manning Jr, Greg Favors & James Thrash
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 29, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
McNabb has had five cracks at merely winning the NFCCG and walked away with just one win. How many more shots is that buffoon going to get before the Eagles turn the page and try another tack?
you would do best not to seriously discuss football with 19 year old trailer park chain smoking refugees from delaware
i learned this a long time ago
Yes, except everything I posted was entirely correct. And, on the other hand, the only part of your post you got right was "delaware".
Keep trying, though. You'll get it some day.
Paolantonio: (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4440877)
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles expect NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to issue a ruling on Michael Vick's possible full re-instatement before Saturday's mandatory league-wide cutdown to the 53-man roster, league sources told ESPN.
Under the conditional re-instatement imposed in July, Vick may not begin playing in regular-season games until Goodell's notification, which must come by Week 6. But Eagles head coach Andy Reid and team president Joe Banner have been in weekly contact with Goodell, updating him on Vick's behavior and progress, while also seeking from the commissioner a clearer understanding of when he will rule on Vick's re-instatement.
Goodell has wide latitude to make a ruling up to Week 6, and he can force Vick to sit out any number of games this season. But it is widely believed that he will allow Vick to return to full-time duty by Week 3, when the Eagles host the Kansas City Chiefs, according to those close to Vick and the Eagles.
i figured that he would probably make him sit out until the bye week, so this is only a game off. on my way home from work yesterday, i was listenting to espn radio and mason and ireland (local la show) said that there were 2 sources stating that the commish was leaning towards letting him suit up opening day. no idea how accurate that is though.
btw.....la sports radio loves beating up on philly/philly fans. rarely does a day go by that i don't hear something philly related.
How'd the dodgers do last year....LA Romes
I wouldnt be surprised if he suits up on opening day. According to Sal Pal Goddell is talking to him at least once a week to see how its going, so i have to imagine Goddell might go soft on him.
eligible to play in Week 3 according to ESPN news
I'm going to go ahead and hope he breaks an ankle between now and then. Not because I don't like him, even though I don't, but because it'll be funny.
Offense will look great first two weeks, suck the 3rd week, McNabb says something truthful about it in the press conference, and people like IGY who rip McNabb for always towing the company line and not telling the truth/speaking his mind, will rip him for telling the truth/speaking his mind and weeks of controversy will ensue.
Okay, I've saved us about 20 pages of arguments.
just call him mcstillupfront like you always do and go away
mcmunson?
Racists.
The McMunson sounds like a tasty burger.
shut up, stupid.
This is a tasty burger.
i hear dog makes a good burger.
Dogs don't even have thumbs.
Peter King says two week suspension:
http://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/3741186434 (http://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/3741186434)
^^^^
for real?
What for? Man, why can't they just let Vick be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
^^^^
for real?
Thats what the man says, it seems as official as an espn article...
And there's the ESPN article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4442627 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4442627)
bitches.
So they have delayed the 22 yard sacks for two weeks?
he's still not 100%.. that will give him the time he needs to start losing at least 30 yards a sack.
Another thing...Brandon Gibson...
The guy has skills and I hope he makes the team, but he sure does take some stupid penalties. All pre-snap ones so far. Frustrating to see.
Maybe they put him and the Bloom clone on the PS.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
So they have delayed the 22 yard sacks for two weeks?
Quote from: LBIggle on September 04, 2009, 12:45:52 AM
he's still not 100%.. that will give him the time he needs to start losing at least 30 yards a sack.
lol
a post made at PFT
QuoteThe Mike Vick experience is still out of order.
2009 Preseason:
Passing
19 plays
11/15
45 yards
0 td
1 int
4 sacks
-40 yards lost
47.9 rating
19 plays 5 net yards
Rushing
8 rushes
36 yards
1 td
2 fumbles
1 lost fumble
Total Offense
27 plays 41 yards 1 td 2 turnovers
If he were held to the same standard as his dogs, his fellow thugs would be hanging, electrocuting and drowning his worthless ass right now.
the two years vick was out of the league did more for his career than any play or game hes ever been involved in because it actually made people forget how bad a qb he is
i was a big fan of this when it happened because i think vick can still be dangerous. but that's with someone who is not mentally retarded calling plays. last night makes me think that there is no way andy doesn't farg up this season, trying to shuttle vick in at inappropriate times and calling even more retarded plays than normal, if that's even possible. it's going to be the most frustrating season ever, because there's finally all this offensive speed and talent, and it's going to be a festival of stupidity on the field.
i like vick in at qb in the red zone in certain instances...ala his sneak last night...but him playing a regular qb role or split out is worthless imo
what people seem to forgot re: vicks athleticism is that hes an amazing athlete FOR A QB
but who would you rather run something like a bubble screen with pimp or vick or even macklin or vick...shtein id rather have curtis out in a pattern over vick...
specific red zone packages and keep him on the bench the rest of the time....
there no real advantage to having him in the game at the 40 yard line...id much rather take my chances with mcnabb throwing to people who catch passes for a living...than vick winging it out there on some hokey pokey shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 04, 2009, 11:21:02 AM
i like vick in at qb in the red zone in certain instances...ala his sneak last night...but him playing a regular qb role or split out is worthless imo
what people seem to forgot re: vicks athleticism is that hes an amazing athlete FOR A QB
but who would you rather run something like a bubble screen with pimp or vick or even macklin or vick...shtein id rather have curtis out in a pattern over vick...
specific red zone packages and keep him on the bench the rest of the time....
there no real advantage to having him in the game at the 40 yard line...id much rather take my chances with mcnabb throwing to people who catch passes for a living...than vick winging it out there on some hokey pokey shtein
i agree with everything except saying that vick was a great athlete for a qb. it's been a couple of years since he's been on a football field, but before getting locked up he was a tremendous athlete regardless of what position he played. he just wasn't a very good qb.
everything else is spot on, although i wouldn't limit vick to redzone packages only because it would then become too predictable. put him on the field for maybe 3 plays between the 20's just to throw the defense off a little bit.
what im saying is if you took all players in the league he wouldnt be in the top 50 athletes...he is fast as shtein for a qb and gets nice in the open field because he has the advantage of surprise being that hes running unexpectedly out of a shotgun or whatever
but take him out of the qb slot and hes not running for a 1000 yards from the rb position taking kicks to the house or running by any cb's if he were a wr...he would be just another player at any of those positions
i will say Vick's legs seem to be back.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 04, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
i will say Vick's legs seem to be back.
Yeah, but that sweet little ass still needs some work.
There's some fat loser on facebook who decided it would be a good idea to go into the Michael Vick fan groups and tell everyone how disgusting they were. It turns out, the moron was a google search away from uncovering all of her personal information. Someone from the Vick group messaged her with her address/number/etc and she started posting pleas on facebook for other anti Vickers to do something to help her, as she felt threatened for her life.
Fail.
Why would she feel her life is being threatened? Unless she's dog ugly
Quote from: bowzer on September 05, 2009, 07:25:51 PM
There's some fat loser on facebook who decided it would be a good idea to go into the Michael Vick fan groups and tell everyone how disgusting they were. It turns out, the moron was a google search away from uncovering all of her personal information. Someone from the Vick group messaged her with her address/number/etc and she started posting pleas on facebook for other anti Vickers to do something to help her, as she felt threatened for her life.
Fail.
That's so awesome. farg that bitch.
QuoteI have spoken out on the Vick fan page. Now there is a Vick fan who has physically threatened me and has googled me and knows where I live. Facebook is doing NOTHING about him. If you can help me by reporting him, please contact me by note. Thanks
There's the post.
You should be posting her name and address rather than just teasing us with this nonsense.
Search for the group, "Everyone Against Michael Vick." She's quite the looker.
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v230/729/38/n572764329_4071.jpg)
side note, there is another anti-vick page with over 32,000 members on there. WTF?
Where are the "I hate Leonard Little for killing a HUMAN...ban him from the NFL!" pages? Oh, that's right...people seem to value dog's lives over humans. I asked that question to someone and they said that Vick PLANNED On beating/killing dogs....the other people "just drove drunk and killed by accident".
farging idiots. ALl of them.
In the cosmic hierarchy of value, dogs occupy a higher position than humans by several tiers. But don't hate on dogs just for that, most living things are more valuable than humans. We're a cancer on this planet.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 06, 2009, 09:42:43 AM
In the cosmic hierarchy of value, dogs occupy a higher position than humans by several tiers. But don't hate on dogs just for that, most living things are more valuable than humans. We're a cancer on this planet.
Would you feel the same way if it was your brother/sister/parent who was run down by some drunken douchebag with millions of dollars who could have just called a cab or even yet, a LIMO?
No, of course not. I'm bound by nature to feel otherwise. That has nothing to do with my point, which is that people suck and dogs don't.
Let me add, I am not a fan of Vick. I wasn't before he was found guilty, and I'm not now that he's an Eagle.
But the hypocrisy from people is, while expected, nauseating. I saw a guy with a Rams logo as his FB profile picture....BLASTING Vick for being scum of the earth. Wonder if he was wearing his Little jersey when he posted it.
I hate hate HATE the stupid point in a conversation where a person asks, 'well what if that had happened to you or a loved one, then would you feel differently'? Of COURSE I would feel differently if my mom were the one starring in anal porn, but since she isn't I'm gonna watch.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2009, 09:50:03 AM
I hate hate HATE the stupid point in a conversation where a person asks, 'well what if that had happened to you or a loved one, then would you feel differently'? Of COURSE I would feel differently if my mom were the one starring in anal porn, but since she isn't I'm gonna watch.
Not my point. My point is that its all fine and good to say that dogs are more important/better than humans...and for most, lol, its probably true. But clearly its not the case for all.
Next Sunday can't come soon enough.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2009, 09:50:03 AM
I hate hate HATE the stupid point in a conversation where a person asks, 'well what if that had happened to you or a loved one, then would you feel differently'? Of COURSE I would feel differently if my mom were the one starring in anal porn, but since she isn't I'm gonna watch.
You're not alone. It's a weak ass argument that pops up all the time. You can't have a discussion about capital punsihmet without this rhetorical trick being pulled out of the "I don't have a strong postion" hat.
We recently had a Baltimore City cop wreck his personal car in PA, killing his son and son's girlfriend. He was flown by helicopter not to the closest trauma ready hospital, but back to Baltimore. I asked, hmm...is that appropriate? Does that fall under mdevac policy guidelines? Would a normal Baltimore citizen be treated the same way? Etc. The response I got was, stop asking such horrible questions, what if that was your family?
At that point, I knew I was talking to a dining room table and the conversation was over.
More importantly, who the farg gives a shtein about a Michael Vick Facebook group, pro or anti?
people who likes dogs and not football
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 06, 2009, 09:38:46 AM
Where are the "I hate Leonard Little for killing a HUMAN...ban him from the NFL!" pages? Oh, that's right...people seem to value dog's lives over humans. I asked that question to someone and they said that Vick PLANNED On beating/killing dogs....the other people "just drove drunk and killed by accident".
im the last person who would ever put humans and animals on the same level but there is a huge difference between on going pre meditated acts and a single negligent one
Mike Vick and Leonard Little are both scum for different reasons. I don't really have a ranking system but they can both farg off.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 06, 2009, 05:25:32 PM
Mike Vick and Leonard Little are both scum for different reasons. I don't really have a ranking system but they can both farg off.
Which is the whole point. But I don't see 500 Facebook pages started over him. Nor did I ever see any type of uproar over it. He KILLED SOMEONE and was basically allowed to walk back onto an NFL team like nothing ever happened.
When I said this about Stallworth, I was given the, "The guy just jumped out in front of him" argument. Stallworth was drunk. he hit and killed a dude. I don't really give a shtein how it happened. Will there be the same kind of uproar next year when he comes back? Highly doubtful.
Stallworth can also farg off. He made the poor decision to drink and drive, so he's responsible for the outcome.
People are all too forgiving when the douche at hand is on their team. Typical fan response.
because it doesn't really matter if they are choir boys are convicted felons, if they can play they can play. results matter.
not to white people
lol
my worthless opinions
my vick take: i think that vick should be suspended for this season. not because he needs further punishment, dude did almost 2 yrs in prison so he paid his debt to society and deserves a chance to go on living his life. i think vick should have to sit this year out in order to demonstrate to the commish/league/fans/etc that he's striving to make changes in his life. i think he should spend that year working on animal cruelty prevention and should simply be focused on trying to right his previous wrongs. it's very easy for someone to look/sound/act contrite when they are earning 1.2mil a year. i'd like to see him do it earning 50k a year. i'd like to see him make changes in his life while actually working for his living and doing things that keep him out of the spot light. of course, this is all irrelevant since he's been reinstated and signed with the team i follow. i hope he does well for the eagles but more importantly, i hope he does better at life.
my leonard little take: farg leonard little. not because he made the choice to drink and drive which lead to killing a woman. but farg him because it was only a year or so afterwards that his dumb ass got picked up for driving drunk again.
people do stupid shtein all the time and i'm all for giving people a 2nd chance but little obviously didn't learn shtein from his first dui/manslaughter and got his dumbass behind the wheel while drunk again. so farg him.
my stallworth take: farg him too. his celebrity status and paycheck got him 3 weeks in jail for dui/manslaughter. sure, the guy he hit never should have been there in the first place but maybe if stallworth were sober, he'd have the reflexes to stop or swerve out of the way.....or at the very least not be at fault.
(http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics21/800/SX/SXSJLQHZYBRHUKF.20090905181509.JPG)
It might be hard to read on this pic, but Terrelle Pryor's eyeblack strips yesterday said "MIKE" and "VICK".
Youtube video of his postgame explaining why he did it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjDgvnU15kY)
Quote"I know what happened with him and, I mean, I don't want to talk much. I'm just going to be very short and sweet with it, but I just feel he made his mistake and I think he just needs more support.
"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."
"I always looked up to Mike Vick and I always will, because I still think he is one of the best quarterbacks to me, and I love Mike Vick."
yay role models
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 06, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
i think that vick should be suspended for this season. not because he needs further punishment, dude did almost 2 yrs in prison so he paid his debt to society and deserves a chance to go on living his life.
say wha?
Getting on with his life should not include being handed millions of dollars to do something you're mediocre at. Lucky for him, he's being handed millions of dollars to bite the heads off chickens.
maybe maybe not but im pretty sure being suspened for an entire nfl season would fall under the further punishment category
I agree, but if he didn't draw a crowd he wouldn't have been offered a contract at his talent level.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 06, 2009, 11:58:34 PM
(http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics21/800/SX/SXSJLQHZYBRHUKF.20090905181509.JPG)
It might be hard to read on this pic, but Terrelle Pryor's eyeblack strips yesterday said "MIKE" and "VICK".
Youtube video of his postgame explaining why he did it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjDgvnU15kY)
Quote"I know what happened with him and, I mean, I don't want to talk much. I'm just going to be very short and sweet with it, but I just feel he made his mistake and I think he just needs more support.
"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."
"I always looked up to Mike Vick and I always will, because I still think he is one of the best quarterbacks to me, and I love Mike Vick."[/quote]
yay role models
Michael Vick one of the best quarterbacks???
You're super at quoting. And you could make a case for Vick being one of the best quarterbacks. If you count all the people alive in the world, he's in the top sixth of them. That's not bad.
hes probably not im most canines top ten tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2009, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 06, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
i think that vick should be suspended for this season. not because he needs further punishment, dude did almost 2 yrs in prison so he paid his debt to society and deserves a chance to go on living his life.
say wha?
did you read the rest, or just stop there? i think i explained my point in further detail.
it was all pretty asinine
the word asinine makes me giggle.
Quote
Vick will speak to students in Philly today
Posted by Mike Florio on September 8, 2009 10:01 AM ET
The Eagles signed Mike Vick on August 13. The next day, owner Jeffrey Lurie made it clear that Vick would need to be proactive in his off-field efforts to make amends for his history of dogfighting and animal cruelty.
Now, nearly four weeks later, the process of proaction will commence.
The Eagles have announced that Vick will be speaking today to the incoming freshman class, roughly 200 in size, at Nueva Esperanza Academy, a Philadelphia charter school.
Vick is slated to "share his story" with the students.
Also on the agenda is Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society, which remains to date the only prominent animal-rights group to get behind the Mike Vick redemption process.
The announcement comes amid a report from the Philadelphia Inquirer that the team circulated on Monday a draft plan to local animal-rights groups that "calls for an immediate, widespread campaign to combat animal abuse" in the city.
The proposed plan, however, didn't mention Vick.
The previously unannounced school appearance, coming a day after circulation of the proposed plan, probably is aimed at helping persuade the local animal-rights groups to endorse and support the plan.
That said, it seems that there's way too much planning and managing and handling going on here, and not enough real, genuine action from Vick.
So why are the Eagles carrying the cross for a guy who presumably will be a part-time player at best for at most one season?
The extent to which the Eagles have rolled up their sleeves on this one further confirms our suspicion that the primary motivation for signing Vick was to determine via the 2009 season whether he can become the team's starting quarterback for 2010 and beyond. If the goal was anything less than that, the Eagles simply wouldn't be devoting so much time and attention to helping Vick gain acceptance locally.
Usually I think Florio is full of shtein and generally off-base, but I am kind of in agreement with him here. I think that by season's end, as I mentioned in the predictions thread, there might be a bit of a schism going on in the locker room between those with McNabb and those with Vick. I am not saying I think Vick will be or is a better QB than McNabb, I think it's the opposite, but I definitely think he'll show more fire and leadership once he's comfortable with the team and knows the offense. I think a lot of players who have always felt McNabb was soft or a company man will gravitate towards Vick as the season progresses.
I'm holding my kids out of school the day that Vick gives his speech.
I'm retiring the word schism from my vocabulary now that it's been co-opted by jock talk.
Schism should only refer to one thing, and it has nothing to do with Football, Stinkfist is another word that should only be used in certain contexts like great songs
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 08, 2009, 10:39:21 AM
The extent to which the Eagles have rolled up their sleeves on this one further confirms our suspicion that the primary motivation for signing Vick was to determine via the 2009 season whether he can become the team's starting quarterback for 2010 and beyond. If the goal was anything less than that, the Eagles simply wouldn't be devoting so much time and attention to helping Vick gain acceptance locally.
or they could be making sure he does all the right things because they dont want a backlash from the league office as well as the city...not to mention at the presser after vick was signed lurie sounded genuinly disgusted at what vick had done and adamant that he would do everything possible to try and make up for it
why would the eagles ever want michael vick as their qb next year over donovan....it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
He's good for $$$ He is selling alot of Merch, Eagles get alot of Pub, it deflects from Reid's degenerate kids, He can help the team in some capacity... If jumping to conclusions was sport Philly Media would be Championship Gold Standard. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.
Florio could just as easily concluded that the Eagles are investing so much in Vick because it's the only way he'll have any trade value.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 08, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Florio could just as easily concluded that the Eagles are investing so much in Vick because it's the only way he'll have any trade value.
that would be much more realistic but certainly not as juicy as a skizzemed locker room
I heard a deal is in the works for a movie starring Vick and Shaq. Vick will play the part of a man who finds a genie bottle on the beach, and Shaq will play the title role of the genie Skizzam.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 08, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Florio could just as easily concluded that the Eagles are investing so much in Vick because it's the only way he'll have any trade value.
this. i wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't on the forefront of everyone's (lurie, reid banner) mind when they started contract talks with him. sign him cheap this year, do a lot of work with him behind the scenes to help "rehabilitate" his image and hope that he looks good during the few plays he gets each game. by the time march rolls around, people will be completely enamoured with how good he looked on a few gadget plays that they'll completely forget how mediocre he was as a quarterback and would probably be willing to part with a 3rd rounder for him....maybe more if he turns in a few huge plays.
of course, i highly doubt that will happen. but i'm sure that's something similar to what the fo was thinking.
I doubt that even the Raiders would part with a pick for him.
Quote from: RezRob on September 08, 2009, 11:51:31 AM
He's good for $$$ He is selling alot of Merch, Eagles get alot of Pub, it deflects from Reid's degenerate kids, He can help the team in some capacity... If jumping to conclusions was sport Philly Media would be Championship Gold Standard. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.
For the 50th time I would like to point out that all jersey sales are shared equally among the 32 teams. Does anyone really think that the Eagles are working that hard for 3.1% of Vick merchandise sales?
Quote from: methdeez on September 08, 2009, 12:31:35 PM
Does anyone really think that the Eagles are working that hard for 3.1% of Vick merchandise sales?
(http://media.philly.com/images/20080416_dn_0jze7yll.jpg)
Y. E. S.
im in no way suggesting this is why they signed vick but thats not 100% accurate anyway...teams split revenues from retail stores like modells and from the nfl online shop...
but the birds get all profits from merch sold thru the eagles online store and their own retail stores like the eagels outlet or the headhouse plaza shop
Probably trying to cash in on that "I used to kill dogs" market in Philly which is huge apparently...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
im in no way suggesting this is why they signed vick but thats not 100% accurate anyway...teams split revenues from retail stores like modells and from the nfl online shop...
but the birds get all profits from merch sold thru the eagles online store and their own retail stores like the eagels outlet or the headhouse plaza shop
Did not know that...
Quote from: RezRob on September 08, 2009, 11:51:31 AM
He's good for $$$ He is selling alot of Merch, Eagles get alot of Pub, it deflects from Reid's degenerate kids, He can help the team in some capacity... If jumping to conclusions was sport Philly Media would be Championship Gold Standard. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.
All of that could be accomplished by winning the Super Bowl.... and as a starting QB, McNabb gets them a helluva lot closer to that goal than Vick would ever be able to.
Winning a SB is too costly. Paying for quality talent on the field, not to mention the cost of those rings. You get more bang for you buck with the freakshow.
Hide your Beagles, Vicks on the Eagles!
definitely the first time i've read that...definitely
definitely
Definitely inappropriate.
it's unseemly
nm
sunmo
munso
Quote from: mussa on September 11, 2009, 10:15:48 AM
Hide your Beagles, Vicks on the Eagles!
I wore that shirt to Atlanta last weekend for College Gameday. I got arrested.
If that's true, that's awesome.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 11, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 11, 2009, 10:15:48 AM
Hide your Beagles, Vicks on the Eagles!
I wore that shirt to Atlanta last weekend for College Gameday. I got arrested.
somehow I am not surprised one bit by this statement
Quote from: rjs246 on September 11, 2009, 01:35:43 PM
If that's true, that's awesome.
I wish it wasn't, had nothing to do with the shirt though.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 11, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 11, 2009, 10:15:48 AM
Hide your Beagles, Vicks on the Eagles!
I wore that shirt to Atlanta last weekend for College Gameday. I got arrested.
You weren't tased enuff to keep you off this website, mission failure.
No decision from Andy on whether to take him off the exempt list yet. Him and Heckert are still thinking about the moves.
RealSports had a section of the show about dogfighting, and they talked about Vick and how he changed dog fighting forever. Quick piece, but it really just mentioned about how Vick has raised more awareness than any other situations, and that Vick is now a spokesperson against it.
thats why people who go off screaming about how he shouldnt be allowed to play football again are fake outragers and could care less about what he did to dogs
i have yet to hear an animal rights group of any kind including the out of their friggin minds PETA say vick should be gone....because they all know how important he is to their cause now
the fake outragers only care about their own cause...which is to give their pathetic lives some sort of meaning by screaming as loud as they can
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2009, 09:46:28 AM
thats why people who go off screaming about how he shouldnt be allowed to play football again are fake outragers and could care less about what he did to dogs
i have yet to hear an animal rights group of any kind including the out of their friggin minds PETA say vick should be gone....because they all know how important he is to their cause now
the fake outragers only care about their own cause...which is to give their pathetic lives some sort of meaning by screaming as loud as they can
Exactly...MEAT TOSSERS!
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2009, 09:46:28 AMthe fake outragers only care about their own cause...which is to give their pathetic lives some sort of meaning by screaming as loud as they can
This.
it was an update of a piece than ran a year or two ago. once again it was done by right wing zealot bernie goldberg.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2009, 09:46:28 AM
thats why people who go off screaming about how he shouldnt be allowed to play football again are fake outragers and could care less about what he did to dogs
i have yet to hear an animal rights group of any kind including the out of their friggin minds PETA say vick should be gone....because they all know how important he is to their cause now
the fake outragers only care about their own cause...which is to give their pathetic lives some sort of meaning by screaming as loud as they can
Nice term; fake outragers. And it applies precisely to this situation. The idiots who picketed the NovaCare Complex or who "sold" their season tickets are retards.
If I was hosting a call-in show and these clowns called in and said they were selling their seats, I would ask them to give me the locations and they check with the Eagles to see if they dropped 'em or not
not ONE SINGLE PERSON gave up their tickets
What about couples?
QuoteIn Philly, Dr. Phil says Vick has 'sociopathic' side
By David Hiltbrand
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Dr. Phil broadcast his first live show ever this morning from Independence Mall off Market Street.
Under overcast skies and in front of a boisterous crowd recruited from his Web site, he took to the stage outside the Liberty Bell pavilion. First up on the docket, what Dr. Phil termed "the biggest story in this town right now": the Eagles' hiring of Michael Vick.
Dr. Phil convened a panel that included Gov. Rendell and CBS3 sports anchor Beasley Reece to debate the topic. During the discussion, the host pulled no punches, suggesting that the controversial quarterback exhibits a "sociopathic adjustment to life" and is unlikely to ever acquire empathy.
He referred frequently to a napkin on which he had scawled notes from a phone converation with Eagles coach Andy Reid.
The mostly white audience booed lustily when J. Whyatt Mondesire, president of the Philadelphia branch of the NAACP, suggested from the stage that the censure of Vick is a racial issue.
Gov. Rendell stuck around for the next segment on staying healthy, sharing the secret to his recent weight loss (45 lbs.!): giving up sweets and halving his portions.
During commercial breaks, Dr. Phil descended into the crowd to talk to people and then welcome viewers back.
Workers at the adjacent dig for the planned President's House memorial shut down the heavy equipment so they could sit by the chainlink fence in their hardhats to watch the goings-on.
The broadcast went off efficiently, ending promptly at 9:57, before the clock at Independence Hall could toll the hour. Afterwards Dr. Phil vanished for 45 minutes with his wife Robin into a furnished bus.
Then it was time to tape another show, this one also set in Philadelphia to air Friday.
Among the segments for the second show: a "cheesesteak showdown" between Pat's and Geno's.
Apparently no TV show can visit the city without featuring that rivalry. At this point, the rest of the country must think of us as the Hatfields and McCoys of sandwich cuisine.
Dr. Phil...ugh
I heard him on Cowherd's show this morning talking about this and how he's never met someone who has been successfully rehabilitated during a prison stint
yeah not even bernard hopkins
Dr. Phil isn't even a doctor. He's useless and has no basis for making any sort of diagnosis.
huh
although way overly-hyped, dudes got his doctorate (PhD) in clinical psychology so how cant he make a diagnosis of this type?
In a just world Dr. Phil would have been a stain on the sheets.
Yeah prison couldn't possibly rehabilitate someone.
Dr. Phil is scrappy.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 16, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
Yeah prison couldn't possibly rehabilitate someone.
That's actually mostly true
dr. phil can suck on my nuts. freak
Quote from: reese125 on September 16, 2009, 06:55:44 PM
although way overly-hyped, dudes got his doctorate (PhD) in clinical psychology so how cant he make a diagnosis of this type?
that makes him as much of a doctor as bill Cosby
also, last time i checked psychiatrists makes diagnoses, not psychologists
youre kidding me right?
Dr. Phil is bald.
Advice from ugly people on life, is like financial advice from crack-heads...
Word to the mother farging street!
lol
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 16, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 16, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
Yeah prison couldn't possibly rehabilitate someone.
That's actually mostly true
Well, Charles Manson has sure come a long way.
QuoteMike Vick Also Don't Use Helping Verbs
A friend of mine went to Va Tech at the same time as Michael Vick. Anyways she arrives at a party and sees some of the football players and then saw Michael Vick talking to a lady. They end up dancing for a little bit and then she goes in for a kiss. Vick gives her the Heisman and says "Mike Vick don't kiss, Mike Vick just farg".
http://deadspin.com/5362718/the-one-where-tim-tebow-gets-cornholed?skyline=true&s=i
He was just trying to save her from the herps.
Quote from: mussa on September 22, 2009, 11:09:04 PM
QuoteMike Vick Also Don't Use Helping Verbs
A friend of mine went to Va Tech at the same time as Michael Vick. Anyways she arrives at a party and sees some of the football players and then saw Michael Vick talking to a lady. They end up dancing for a little bit and then she goes in for a kiss. Vick gives her the Heisman and says "Mike Vick don't kiss, Mike Vick just farg".
http://deadspin.com/5362718/the-one-where-tim-tebow-gets-cornholed?skyline=true&s=i
about as pointless as this article, my old boss went to VT, and hung out with Vick a few times. She used to say he was the dumbest person she'd ever met, and easlily on campus. And that he was a manwhore. I could never figure out if she farged him though.
so a college football player was dumb and pulling lots of tail. shocking.
unbelievable
btw....she definitely tossed his salad.
Working on a reality show for BET (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4545674)
Isn't BET about to go out of business?
QuoteVick says "no" to visit with victims
Michael Vick may be making the rounds bringing his anti-dog fighting message to Philadelphia school children, but there's one audience he is not interested in meeting with: his victims.
A pit bull advocacy group in Oakland, Calif. says Vick declined an invitation to visit eight of his former dogs this weekend when the Eagles take on the Oakland Raiders.
The group BAD RAP (Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pitbulls) told The Associated Press it extended the invitation through the Eagles to Vick last week to view his former dogs that were part of the dog fighting operation at Bad Newz Kennels in Virginia.
BAD RAP co-founder Tim Racer said the group picked a location that would have allowed Vick to view the dogs from behind a window at a distance that satisfied the conditions of his parole that bar him from being near animals.
"We understand Vick is trying to right his wrongs and is very interested in redemption, but you can't find redemption without acknowledging your victims," Racer told the AP. "Making amends to the dogs themselves would have helped to create some closure for many of us, especially those people who worked so hard to keep them from being destroyed. It seems that Vick is not ready to go there."
Oakland-based BAD RAP brought 10 of Vick's dogs into its foster program after being given permission from the federal government to evaluate and rescue as many of the dogs as possible.
Sunday's game against the Raiders is the first road game for Vick since being reinstated to the NFL following an 18-month prison sentence for his involvement in a dogfighting ring. The animal rights group, In Defense of Animals plans to stage a protest before the game, saying Vick has not shown remorse for his actions.
The farg is he gonna do with them? Say he's sorry? Bring The Dog Whisperer with him and communicate? Bake a milkbone cake?
this is beyond gay at this point now. view the dogs behind a window? people are on my nerves
What's that supposed to do for the dogs? That's like having Josef Fritzl visit his kids.
Nice story, but it is time to cancel the Mike Vick experiment.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2009, 12:51:43 AM
Nice story, but it is time to cancel the Mike Vick experiment.
I have no problem giving him more time. Its Reid's playcalling, not Vick's ability. He's been out of football a long time. Lets see what happens as the year progresses.
oh no its Vicks ability as well. If youre all excited about that scamper around the left end... please
he is nowhere near elusive, balance is top-heavy and no acceleration...hes a waste of a down and drive
i was in favor of taking a flyer on him. they did. it hasn't worked out. best of luck to him getting his life and career back on track, but it's time to move on.
I mean the timing of bringing him on the field was mind-boggling last night
he hasnt been awful. its been pretty much a big meh. mostly because of andy reid.
they arent gonna cut him loose, more likely just keep him in 5 or so wildcat formations a game just to say they did and feel like theyre smarter than everyone else--which is why they made this move in the first place.
Does Vick have positive yards for the season yet?
the use him so infrequently and at such pointless, borderline inconsequential times in the game that his entire presence on the team is meaningless.
he hasnt cost them anything and hasnt done anything positive for them. i consider that a wash. now take mcnabb, who played like a retarded 3rd grader against oakland. or jason peters, who played like a mentally handicapped student against everyone. or andy reid, who should die.
McNabb was waaay off last night
actually Dilfer was really good on Sportscenter. He said that Mcnabb cant play from Shotgun, and wormburns it everytime he's in shotty.
cobb and cowher in twenty ten
While I do admire Cowher's "run the ball down their farging throat you bunch of Hoydas" philosophy, it did take him a long time to win it all.
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Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
While I do admire Cowher's "run the ball down their farging throat you bunch of Hoydas" philosophy, it did take him a long time to win it all.
yep. and as much as i dispise reid, one could easily make a case by saying that his coaching career is almost an exact parallel of cowher's in terms of w/l record, playoff appearances, etc. cowher got to the super bowl after 3 years and lost (reid in his 5th year) but pitt remained very consistant over the next 10 years before finally getting back to the sb and winning it all 10 years later just as the eagles have continued to come close but not win it all since getting to the super bowl in 04.
but, if given the choice, i'd still take a lifetime of cowher with uncertain results over 1 more year of reid with the certainty that they might get close, but not go all the way.
Agree with the It's Reid Not Vick camp. They keep running the Wildcat out of the spread...watch the Dolphins run it, everyone's a little tighter to the line, and getting better blocks. Vick was in for what, 4 plays last night? for 17 total yards....I don't know if everyone expected big plays out of him, but it was unrealistic for any of us to think so. 4.2 yards per play is a whole lot of MEH, but it's still positive yards...which is more than what this offense gets on an incompletion....which Andy Reid's play calling guarantees there will be plenty of.
Using Vick guarantees a less likelihood of a good play than not using him at all
QuoteVick: A return to the Eagles would be "an everyday struggle"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 9, 2009 11:09 AM ET
On Sunday night, Tony Dungy mentioned Buffalo as a possible "dark horse" to retain the services of Michael Vick in 2010. What's clear is that Vick is unlikely to stay in Philadelphia, and it sounds like that's just fine with him.
"It would be hard," Vick said of returning to the Eagles in a conversation with Bob Costas. "It would be an everyday struggle. But I would have to take that time to hone my skills and get better. I'm excited about the opportunity I have moving forward whether it's with Philadelphia or another team."
Vick thinks he has more to offer than just being a Wildcat quarterback -- he only played two snaps Sunday night in Philadelphia's loss to Dallas.
"I won't be a Wildcat guy. I can't," Vick said, speaking about his future. "It's a different style of play. It's almost like a hit-or-miss type of thing. My position is quarterback. That's what I was born to do."
Approached after the game by the Associated Press, Vick wisely didn't discuss his future. It can only serve as a distraction right now. But as we wrote last night, Vick's lack of explosiveness in the present is not going to help his chances of getting a job or Philadelphia's chances of getting decent trade offers.
Even Vick admits to having doubts about his ability.
"I would be lying if I said there wasn't some doubt there. I'm being realistic about the situation," Vick said.
Wasted roster spot.
Wasted plays.
Wastedcat offense.
another mystery in reids understanding of the game. being that every down is crucial in sustaining a drive, especially in a tight game like that... whats with the obsession with vick? I mean...I cant..
Whats the point in even having him on the roster if you aren't going to use him.
They do use him. As little as possible both in terms of plays and yards gained.
I'm sure Reid is STILL trying to figure out how to use Vick. Not sure what the holdup is. Oh wait, retardation
Quote from: mussa on November 09, 2009, 05:24:57 PM
I'm sure Reid is STILL trying to figure out how to use Vick. Not sure what the holdup is. Oh wait, retardation
the holdup might be that vick sucks
as a QB yes, we all know this, but you can hand the ball off to him more than one play a game. oh wait, they don't run the ball. yeah...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2009, 11:19:59 AM
QuoteVick: A return to the Eagles would be "an everyday struggle"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 9, 2009 11:09 AM ET
On Sunday night, Tony Dungy mentioned Buffalo as a possible "dark horse" to retain the services of Michael Vick in 2010. What's clear is that Vick is unlikely to stay in Philadelphia, and it sounds like that's just fine with him.
"It would be hard," Vick said of returning to the Eagles in a conversation with Bob Costas. "It would be an everyday struggle. But I would have to take that time to hone my skills and get better. I'm excited about the opportunity I have moving forward whether it's with Philadelphia or another team."
Vick thinks he has more to offer than just being a Wildcat quarterback -- he only played two snaps Sunday night in Philadelphia's loss to Dallas.
"I won't be a Wildcat guy. I can't," Vick said, speaking about his future. "It's a different style of play. It's almost like a hit-or-miss type of thing. My position is quarterback. That's what I was born to do."
Approached after the game by the Associated Press, Vick wisely didn't discuss his future. It can only serve as a distraction right now. But as we wrote last night, Vick's lack of explosiveness in the present is not going to help his chances of getting a job or Philadelphia's chances of getting decent trade offers.
Even Vick admits to having doubts about his ability.
"I would be lying if I said there wasn't some doubt there. I'm being realistic about the situation," Vick said.
Wasted roster spot.
Wasted plays.
Wastedcat offense.
Best case scenario: Trade him to buffalo for Owens. Then demote Owens to the practice squad.
Reid has no clue how to run the wildcat or how to utilize Vick in it. All he has Vick do is run, and in that case you're better off with DJ, Westbrook, Shady, or even Maclin. The only value Vick brings is the threat of passing, especially down field to Jackson, which keeps the D honest and not stacking the box.
Vick has close to a $6 million salary next year with no cap hit so there's no way he's back, barring a startling improvement and QB injuries. Because of this and numerous other questions surrounding Vick, there's little chance the Eagles get anything for him in a trade.
every time reid puts vick out on the field, he is losing what little trade value he might have had to begin with. the wildcat is such a joke because the personnel on the field don't scare anyone, it's way too predictable what the eagles are going to do when vick is on the field and on top of that, they simply don't know how to execute it properly.
it's about as effective as the playaction coming off 12 straight pass plays.
it needs to end like yesterday.
if they're going to send vick out there i'd actually rather see him just drop back and pass
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
every time reid puts vick out on the field, he is losing what little trade value he might have had to begin with. the wildcat is such a joke because the personnel on the field don't scare anyone, it's way too predictable what the eagles are going to do when vick is on the field and on top of that, they simply don't know how to execute it properly.
it's about as effective as the playaction coming off 12 straight pass plays.
it needs to end like yesterday.
if they're going to send vick out there i'd actually rather see him just drop back and pass
But from Reid's smug little perch, he's outfoxing us all by saving this ultimate weapon for the playoffs
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
it's about as effective as the playaction coming off 12 straight pass plays.
Ah, but that's just what Reid
wants you to think. Jack is right.
He's really setting the groundwork to use play action at a most critical and unsuspected moment, when the playoffs hang in the balance, to set up and unleash a totally useless time out.
So, 3rd and 1?
2 seconds before the 2 minute warning. Oh wait, doing that again might not fool alert opponents.
the problem with the eagles wildcat is that its not really part of their offense...there no rhyme or reason and certainly no consistency in how its used...
you cant just out of the blue throw it in the middle of nowhere during the game and expect it to work...its like andy is using it like a team would use a flea flicker or a double reverse...but the wildcat isnt a trick play...its an offense...no different than a running or passing game is...thus you have to donate lots of practice time to it and use it a lot more during the game in order to execute it well
It might take them as many years to sort out the wildcat as it took them to implement that fancy shotgun formation they're so fond of now.
since the wildcat offense is primarily run oriented, i doubt reid will ever actually figure it out.
Mr. Vick ain't happy huh? Well none of us are either a-hole.
flat out waste of time an effort. farg you banner for your lecture on this deal while on mikey miss.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 10, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
Mr. Vick ain't happy huh? Well none of us are either a-hole.
for the record, i'm not all that displeased with vick because i had little expectations for him going in. my frustration lies with the thinking that they could inplement the wildcat and be successful and it's turned out to be an epic failure. you would think that vick could be a dual threat in the wildcat because he can throw the ball and that reid would figure out a way to draw up a few plays for it but he hasn't. in fact, everything that reid has tried to do with the wildcat has blown up in his face.
i don't fault vick for being unhappy with his role either, especially since it's even more limited than anyone imagined it would be when he was signed. i think he appreciates the opportunity just to even be in the league again but at the same time, dude was a starting qb and wants to be a starting qb. i can't hate on him for that even though i think he's an average qb at best. but there's not a single qb out there who thinks they couldn't/shouldn't start, especially when he's been a starter his entire career.
we don't need dawkins but lets re-sign trotter and bring in vick.
As long as they keep running the Wildcat as a spread offense and now how the Dolphins use it, which is more condensed in and not so damn spread out, they're not going to have success. They spread out way too much to successfully run it (How's Vick supposed to get to the edge if there's already guys out on the edge) and if they're in the spread, teams will expect the pass. Reel it in, run it like the Phins/1940s style, then you'll have A. More room to run on the edges and B. Better able to surprise with a pass.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 10, 2009, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 10, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
Mr. Vick ain't happy huh? Well none of us are either a-hole.
for the record, i'm not all that displeased with vick because i had little expectations for him going in. my frustration lies with the thinking that they could inplement the wildcat and be successful and it's turned out to be an epic failure. you would think that vick could be a dual threat in the wildcat because he can throw the ball and that reid would figure out a way to draw up a few plays for it but he hasn't. in fact, everything that reid has tried to do with the wildcat has blown up in his face.
i don't fault vick for being unhappy with his role either, especially since it's even more limited than anyone imagined it would be when he was signed. i think he appreciates the opportunity just to even be in the league again but at the same time, dude was a starting qb and wants to be a starting qb. i can't hate on him for that even though i think he's an average qb at best. but there's not a single qb out there who thinks they couldn't/shouldn't start, especially when he's been a starter his entire career.
I'll ditto this whole post.
We feel bad for a self-admitted and convicted animal-torturing felon. For real.
Yay us.
I feel bad for all the farging wasted roster spots this year on bullshtein like this and the farging andrews sister 'an curtis 'an...oh farg it....
I wouldnt' call it a wasted roster spot. Most every team has a #3 QB, just so happens they actually try and use theirs.
QuoteWhen quarterback Mike Vick arrived in Philly, Donovan McNabb went well out of his way to say and do all the right things in an effort to properly welcome him to town (even if McNabb privately was feeling threatened by the development).
Now that Vick's time with the team is, for all practical purposes, winding to a non-spectacular conclusion, he's paying McNabb by publicly hanging out with one of Donovan's most vocal detractors.
Throughout Thursday, ESPN showed images from boxer Bernard Hopkins' Wednesday night fight. And there was Vick in the ring with Hopkins, smiling the smile of a guy oblivious to the reality that he left most of his football skills somewhere in the nether regions of Leavenworth.
Per PFT
when they get a low level draft pick for him in the offseason can we delete this thread and pretend he never existed?
I'd be surprised at this point if they got a draft pick for Vick.
There weren't more than 2 or 3 teams even interested in him this past year and he's done nothing to increase his stock since. You never know - the QB market is the most unpredictable and the Eagles did get compensation for people like Parry, Thrash and McMullen, but I don't see teams wanting to take both Vick's $5.5 million salary and baggage.
Quote from: LBIggle on December 03, 2009, 07:40:26 PM
when they get a low level draft pick for him in the offseason can we delete this thread and pretend he never existed?
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teams didn't want the negative publicity of signing him right out of levinworth and having to get him back into football shape. he was never going to be a starter or anything this year. how many teams in an offseason are looking for a qb.. someone will give up a lower end draft pick and gladly pick up his salary. and then we can delete this thread and shut the farg up about it.
haven't been on here in a while so i'm sure its already been mentioned but have people been talking about vick being in the ring with hopkins the other night? it shouldn't be a big deal but there's no way people aren't going to take that as a farg you to donovan. i kinda like it.
Its no big thing but donovan will most def take it as a personal insult and begin shunning vick and talkin shtein behind his back.
Wilma too
Why would he shun his mother? You're an idiot.
maybe she farged hopkins
It happens. She probably went over to his place to throw down. Things got all hot and sweaty, and before they know it they're butt naked on the bed. Happens all the time.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 04, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
It happens. She probably went over to his place to throw down. Things got all hot and sweaty, and before they know it they're butt naked on the bed. Happens all the time.
Why you gotta go there, man?
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??
Its not like I said she made him eat all his Chunky Soup.
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ha, i loved the plane wasting money on a banner sunday about Vick, yet he was inactive.
QuotePosted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 6, 2010 9:17 PM ET
When Michael Vick spoke with federal investigators in 2007, his involvement in dog killing was not the only topic that came up.
Documents released by the Smoking Gun Wednesday show that Vick was questioned about about steroids and human growth hormone.
A Drug Enforcement Agency informant gave information to the investigators. The informant said that during a Falcons team Christmas party in December 2006, Vick had a conversation about steroids/HGH. Vick was reportedly overheard saying to dealer that he "liked his product."
That's a cheesy movie/TV drama line "i like your product, man".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22J7X2vdjIE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22J7X2vdjIE&feature=player_embedded)
fwiw john clayton says vick to the rams
???
as a possibility or a done deal? ???
I'm surprised that teams are actually interested in trading for Vick, considering his salary and bonus that's due - if in fact they really are. I'd have thought they would wait until he's released, calling the Eagles bluff about keeping him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 16, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
as a possibility or a done deal? ???
just saying thats where he sees him ending up
John Clayton is a shmuck and ESPN lost all credibility with me during the whole T.O. thing to the Eagles.
They don't break news...and their analysts don't know shtein. They just have multiple people making every guess possible...so that eventually...one of them gets it right and they can claim to have had the inside scoop.
farg espn.
Rotoworld has been touting Vick to the Rams since mid-Jan....Im glad Clayton can read
dont be surprised to see Spags picking up Stallworth as well
Quote from: reese125 on February 16, 2010, 08:23:52 PM
Rotoworld has been touting Vick to the Rams since mid-Jan....Im glad Clayton can read
dont be surprised to see Spags picking up Stallworth as well
as somebody commented, he could get a ride with Leonard Little...no that wouldn't work.
Quote
Asked where he'd like to play, Vick made a choice.
"If I could play for any team in the league, it would probably be two teams, but if I had to pick one, it would probably be the Carolina Panthers," Vick said, via Charles Chandler of the Charlotte Observer.
(Vick never identifies the other team.)
The reasons? "Well, you know, it's close to home," Vick said. "I like the uniforms. You get to play against Atlanta twice a year. Ain't nothing better than playing against your former team, right? So, yeah, that would be a good look, it would be a good look."
Nice, pick a team you want by the color of the unis. Maybe the eagles could change to light/dark blue and keep him happy and in Philly.
vick has no long term future here and he's known that since day 1. i'm glad he publicly named a team he's interested in playing for. i wish he'd name about 4 more teams so maybe they'd all be inclined to get into a small bidding war for his services. because more often than not, the most interesting person in the room is the person who is interested in you.
You pick that up at a business seminar?
speed dating
Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
"I like the uniforms?" Never heard a player say that as one reason he'd like to play for a team.
Grown men. Caring about uniforms. Die.
kelly green, damn it!
the man wants to be a balla in the silver and aqua. can't fault him on that.
QuoteVick also was on the radio yesterday in St. Louis, trying to drum up interest there with the Rams, just as he did the other day with the Carolina Panthers. What you are beginning to smell is more than a whiff of desperation. But that's business.
well now, he's still under contract with the eagles but out there campaigning for other teams to trade for him. nice.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/eagles/20100310_Rich_Hofmann__Not_everyone_is_ready_to_forgive_Eagles__Vick.html (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/eagles/20100310_Rich_Hofmann__Not_everyone_is_ready_to_forgive_Eagles__Vick.html)
vick is such a deluded POS
confused--weren't you the one that said he paid his debt to society, deserves a second chance..... blah blah?
whats so deceiving about the guy now?
he did pay his debt...where did i mention anything about dog fighting....or for that matter deceit
in short....what the farg are you talking about
the fact that he felt he deserved the award shows how assinine the guy is. courage ? really ?
then to be out trying to coddle the sacks of teams he'd like to go. a team could lose draft pics for saying somethings like this.
nm
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2010, 09:53:45 AM
he did pay his debt...where did i mention anything about dog fighting....or for that matter deceit
in short....what the farg are you talking about
I guess I thought you were using the word deluded in a diff context. Or you meant diluted, or delusional. Its tough with your spelling sometimes.
Whatever.... dont answer...dont care enough. Move on.
Quote from: smeags on March 11, 2010, 10:03:55 AM
the fact that he felt he deserved the award shows how assinine the guy is. courage ? really ?
then to be out trying to coddle the sacks of teams he'd like to go. a team could lose draft pics for saying somethings like this.
the fact that hes going on a media tour of nfl cities telling them all how much hed love to play for them while under contract of a team that gave him a second chance when no one else would...on top of that not only does ne not realize that he cant play the game of football he axctually thinks hes great...when in reality he farging sucked BEFORE he went to prison...if he could play qb at even a decent level in the nfl thered be a market for him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2010, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 11, 2010, 10:03:55 AM
the fact that he felt he deserved the award shows how assinine the guy is. courage ? really ?
then to be out trying to coddle the sacks of teams he'd like to go. a team could lose draft pics for saying somethings like this.
the fact that hes going on a media tour of nfl cities telling them all how much hed love to play for them while under contract of a team that gave him a second chance when no one else would...on top of that not only does ne not realize that he cant play the game of football he axctually thinks hes great...when in reality he farging sucked BEFORE he went to prison...if he could play qb at even a decent level in the nfl thered be a market for him
street
I had a dream Vick went to the Cowboys.
QuoteSources: Vick will be back
The Eagles will bring Michael Vick back next season, team sources said today.
Vick is currently third on the quarterback depth chart and is slated to earn $5.25 million in total salary. That salary would be an exorbitant amount for the Eagles to pay a third-stringer. But if he were to be the backup, Vick's salary would not be significantly more than what other NFL backup quarterbacks earn.
And with his additional role in the Eagles' wildcat/spread formation offense, Vick would warrant the higher scale, according to one team source.
"As a coaching staff, we all have confidence that he'll get in there and do that," Eagles coach Andy Reid said last week, referring to Vick's wildcat role. "He can run the offense, too. That part of his game. That's a neat thing."
This scenario, of course, presumes that either starting quarterback Donovan McNabb or backup Kevin Kolb will be traded. At the NFL owners' meetings, Reid said that the Eagles were "entertaining" offers for all three of their quarterbacks.
McNabb, however, has been the subject of various trade rumors and appears the most likely to go now that the team has all but admitted that he is on the market. There was a report earlier this week that Oakland had emerged as the leading candidate in a trade for McNabb and that a deal was imminent. But team sources have indicated that something may not get done, if at all, until the draft.
The team is already on the hook for $2.5 million of the Vick's quarterback'ssalary, having paid a $1.5 roster bonus on March 9, and with that guaranteeing $1 million of his $3.75 million base salary if they chose to release him.
But a source said the Eagles aren't likely to cut Vick and in fact, they aren't shopping the 29-year-old anymore. That may have something to do with the relatively low interest teams have in trading for Vick. And, of course, the Eagles could just be trying to generate some demand.
Read tomorrow's Inquirer for more on this story and the Eagles.
I still can't believe Vick is an Eagle and it is even more insane to think that he is likely their backup QB next year.
I'm fine with him being the backup, it's not like I'm paying that salary. I hope they draft a guy late to groom for when he bolts.
Quote from: Dalton on March 31, 2010, 09:10:28 PM
I'm fine with him being the backup, it's not like I'm paying that salary. I hope they draft a guy late to groom for when he bolts.
I am too. It is just still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that Vick is an Eagle.
In that case thanks for the update.
do you really want such a huge presence who clearly wants to be the man behind your young qb just as he becomes the full time starter
not to mention vick isnt exactly a guy you want leading as example for your kid...and im not talking about the dog nonsense...im talking about his shady work ethic and other football related shtein
Make Vick the starting running back. Championship.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 09:24:11 PM...and im not talking about the dog nonsense...im talking about his shady work ethic and other football related shtein
both good evidence that the guy is a class A douchebag
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
do you really want such a huge presence who clearly wants to be the man behind your young qb just as he becomes the full time starter
not to mention vick isnt exactly a guy you want leading as example for your kid...and im not talking about the dog nonsense...im talking about his shady work ethic and other football related shtein
The team voted him as their Ed Block Courage Award winner, I have to think with all the controversy surrounding him that he's somewhat liked in the locker room.
Quote from: Dalton on March 31, 2010, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
do you really want such a huge presence who clearly wants to be the man behind your young qb just as he becomes the full time starter
not to mention vick isnt exactly a guy you want leading as example for your kid...and im not talking about the dog nonsense...im talking about his shady work ethic and other football related shtein
The team voted him as their Ed Block Courage Award winner, I have to think with all the controversy surrounding him that he's somewhat liked in the locker room.
irrelevant...
his presence overall is just not conducive to growing a young qb
he wants cobbs job
could give a shtein about cobbs future
hes a horrible leader
has a terrible work ethic
doesnt know the first thing about the position
and then theres the wildcat...cobb does not need to be running in and out of the game at any possible times....put the kid in and let him play and learn FULL time
and not that i think the team dislikes vick but that award was more a condemnation of the media and peta types than it was a celebration of michael vicks courage humanity and contrition
get doug pederson part II...thats the kind of guy that should be behind cobb
He knows he isn't getting Kolbs job unless he's injured. All the other crap is irrelevant. And I don't blame him for the wildcat, that's Reid's call. It's not even a 'wildcat' when it's a QB back there.
Quoteget doug pederson part II...thats the kind of guy that should be behind cobb
Never really thought of this, but at the same time isn't that kind of irrelevant at this point? Kolb has sat for 3 years now he is either going to be ready or not. When Rodgers took over he had Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn as his backups.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2010, 09:46:06 PM
Quoteget doug pederson part II...thats the kind of guy that should be behind cobb
Never really thought of this, but at the same time isn't that kind of irrelevant at this point? Kolb has sat for 3 years now he is either going to be ready or not. When Rodgers took over he had Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn as his backups.
in a perfect world id like a veteran to support and tutor him...preferably a high IQ coach type veteran...but id be fine with two guys like brohm and flynn as well...pretty much vick is the worst possible scenario
because he killed dogs, right?
Honestly if Kolb has the "it factor" it shouldn't matter who his backup is. Vick might want to start, but it ought to tell him something that nobody has been banging down the Eagles door to get him.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 31, 2010, 09:50:53 PM
because he killed dogs, right?
you mean like hes gonna tutor cobb on how to kill dogs instead of boar
im pretty sure cobb is a grown ass man and doesnt need so moron hick virginian dog fighter influencing him. dude either gets it dont and has either got it or doesnt have it and no amount of vick or lack of vick is gonna make a difference.
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 09:57:35 PM
im pretty sure cobb is a grown ass man and doesnt need so moron hick virginian dog fighter influencing him. dude either gets it dont and has either got it or doesnt have it and no amount of vick or lack of vick is gonna make a difference.
yeah because a philly crowd has never effected a player before...much less a first timer
because an unhealthy qb relationship has never effected anyone
please come back from texas...youre turning into a mexican reese right before our eyes
Is IGY trying to run both of our black quarterbacks out of town? What the hell has happened to this place?
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Quote from: FastFreddie on March 31, 2010, 10:34:43 PM
Is IGY trying to run both of our black quarterbacks out of town? What the hell has happened to this place?
He found out they're both Sopranos fans and ever watched something called The Wire.
i dont think vick will do this team any good as the backup and still not covinced the eagles will pay $5milf plus to do it. i could see the eagles releasing him and brininging garcia. not really a stretch and im sure many others have thought the same.
F that report. Vick won't be on the opening day roster. I'd like to see them bring in Garcia and draft another QB late to turn into a project. Garcia knows the offense like the back of his hand, and can still be somewhat effective running it in case of injury. He'd also be cheap as hell.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
do you really want such a huge presence who clearly wants to be the man behind your young qb just as he becomes the full time starter
Um... yes. They coddled and protected their last QB with backups that had no aspirations of starting. Regardless of talent level. And as soon as they did bring in QBs that could potentially challenge for the starting job... everything went to crap. I want a QB who can rise above pressure, especially the pressure of losing your job. It's better to know right away if Kolb can handle that or not.
you miss the point entirely.
if you want to give kolb competition that's fine the problem is but you'd have kolb having to deal with a guy who wouldn't shut-up about hoping he gets to start someday which yeah would do wonders and while i think he'd handle much better the 5 it's unesseccary.
plus, if there was ever a need for him to start it more then likely would be a disaster. at $5mil.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 01, 2010, 08:40:59 AM
F that report. Vick won't be on the opening day roster. I'd like to see them bring in Garcia and draft another QB late to turn into a project. Garcia knows the offense like the back of his hand, and can still be somewhat effective running it in case of injury. He'd also be cheap as hell.
Domowitch seems to agree, he was on DNL the other day and said he thinks they will just hold on to him until someone's starting QB gets hurt.
not when youre handing over the reigns to a first time starter....you simply do not want a presence like michael vick behind him...if vick was a jerk off and a great qb or great prospect that would be different...but not only is he a horrible tutor to have with cobb hes a terrible qb to boot
its not good for the kid the team or the fans...that aint coddling thats football 101....you dont trade mcnabb then have vick behind cobb...if you want an open competition then keep them all and have them duke it out
but the way the eagles have conducted this whole qb fiasco it wouldnt surprise me if they go in that direction
altho i agree with the people above who say vick could even probably will be gone
its pretty clear, they'll move him during or after the draft, i think theyll draft a qb in the 5th-6th round to serve as a backup
IF vick and donovan go no chance their top two are cobb and riley skinner...they will bring in a vet at that point
Apparently Jeff Blake IS at the NovaCare complex.
Vick during his interview post Kolb interview told Sal Pal it was the first time he had ever worked out on the offseason. He then said, well this early. So he definitely took the AI route to his offseason
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
IF vick and donovan go no chance their top two are cobb and riley skinner...they will bring in a vet at that point
Bite your tongue sir. Riley took Wake Forest football to a level not previously reachable.
Vick (and Iverson) blew off a Florida party they were paid to appear at (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/fl-michael-vick-shuns-party-20100606,0,2951514.story)
QuoteShooting occurs at Mike Vick's birthday party
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2010 11:30 AM ET
Eagles quarterback Mike Vick, who remains on federal probation following a two-year prison term for dogfighting, celebrated his 30th birthday with a party at a Virginia Beach club. And, apparently, one of the games was pin the tail on the donkey.
With bullets.
A shooting reportedly occurred as the club was closing. A fight broke out, and then someone whipped out the ultimate peacemaker.
One man was shot, per WTKR, which also cites unnamed sources in reporting that the shooting occurred at the party. The victim initially refused treatment but then went to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.
A police spokesman said that the victim and witnesses were being "uncooperative."
The invitation to the party boasted that taterskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall and Colts safety Antoine Bethea would be attending, along with former NBA star Allen Iverson. (That is, we think they meant Antoine Bethea of the Colts; the invitation says "Antwoine.")
Though there's no indication that Vick was involved in the shooting, the mere fact that someone possibly came to the birthday party of a guy on federal probation with a gun in his (or her) possession could invite the feds to examine very closely whether Vick has honored all terms of his supervised release -- which usually includes not hanging out with folks who carry guns.
tidewater aint no joke
I am fascinated at the fact that these supposed grown men throw themselves birthday parties.
wip saying the guy who got shot was a codefendant of vicks in the dog fighting ring trial
is there a dumber human alive than mike vick
you and i both know that there is and who it is
I thought to suggest him too, but wondered: does Munron count for a human?
With each post from IGY and especially MDS, they continue to prove they don't have a shred of intelligence about anything.
They'd do very well hanging out with Vick and his gun buddies.
Oh this conversation again? Neat.
I was hoping against all hope to open this thread and find the reason it was bumped was that Vick was dead. Or at least no longer an Eagle.
When I saw it bumped I expected to see Ed droppin a "Vick traded for a 4th", or at the very least a "Vick likes ham and cheese sandwiches for lunch at training camp" in the way only Ed can.
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Michael Vick's ex-pal shot at Eagles' QB's birthday party
By DAVID K. L I
Last Updated: 5:54 AM, June 28, 2010
Posted: 2:51 AM, June 28, 2010
A former dogfighting pal of Michael Vick was shot moments after crashing the NFL quarterback's birthday bash and angrily flinging cake in his face, witnesses told The Post yesterday.
Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in Vick's dogfighting case, flew into a rage when Vick and brother Marcus Vick told him early Friday to leave the 30th-birthday party at a Virginia Beach nightclub, witnesses said.
Vick is barred from associating with Phillips under his parole agreement.
Phillips' brother was at the bash, too, and seemed to be an invited guest, mingling easily with other partygoers. But once Vick and his brother spotted Quanis Phillips, they told him to get lost, witnesses said.
Before leaving, Phillips slapped a piece of birthday cake off a female partygoer's plate, splattering the face of the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback with frosting.
"Michael didn't react. I was surprised," a witness at the bash said.
"But Marcus was the one who reacted. He had this I-can't-believe-this-just-happened, we've-been-disrespected look on his face. He was very agitated."
Phillips left the party screaming and continued hurling obscenities from the parking lot of the Guadalajara nightclub, witnesses said.
"Phillips was still yelling, even outside, then five minutes later, a shot rang out in the parking lot," a witness outside the club said.
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Phillips smashed cake in Vick's face
Dog-fighting co-defendant Quanis Phillips did indeed smash birthday cash in the face of Michael Vick at a birthday bash early Friday morning at the Guadalajara night club in the Virginia Beach Town Center, according to someone who witnessed the incident.
The tension unfolded in the VIP section of the club, near the front entrance, as the party was drawing to a close -- after the group sang Happy Birthday to Vick, and Vick's fiance' Kijafa Frink began feeding him birthday cake.
That's when Phillips either tapped or slapped Frink's hand, according to the witness, getting frosting on Vick's face. It was unclear to this witness whether the cake smashing was done in jest. The amount of cake or icing that actually touched Vick was said to be minimal.
But Vick did appear agitated and some words were exchanged.
Vick and Frink left the club shortly afterward, as did Vick's brother, Marcus Vick, who helped organize the party for Mike, who turned 30 on Saturday.
Sources also confirmed that Vick personal manager C.J. Reamon had left the party by the time Phillips left the club and began arguing with some people in the parking lot. So about 5 to 10 minutes after Vick and his key associates had left, one of the men arguing with Phillips pulled a gun and shot Phillips in the leg.
Phillips was treated and released at a Virginia Beach hospital, but neither he nor witnesses are cooperating with police - although some locals say that "everyone" knows who shot Phillips.
Well, I don't know, and I'm not sure I want to know -- since these folks are going around shooting people.
It remains unclear to my sources how Phillips ended up in the VIP section of the party, although he apparently paid his money to get in like other patrons. According to the terms of his probation, Vick and Phillips are not be socializing together.
Not that I'm a Vick apologist, but it sounds like this guy showed up to his party uninvited and the Vicks asked him to leave and he went apeshtein. Not really sure what Mike did wrong here...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 29, 2010, 08:05:37 AM
Not really sure what Mike did wrong here...
had a public party at a club in tidewater?
his birthday parties these days should consist of watching dvds on his couch at home with his fiance
hes guilty of stupidity
the guy served his time... he's allowed to have a birthday party...
Another example of child on child crime.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 29, 2010, 09:13:51 AM
the guy served his time... he's allowed to have a birthday party...
no one is saying he isnt allowed to...he just a moron for doing so
Am I missing something here?
He wasn't there and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
And lol @ Mussa's comment.
its questionable as whether he was there or not...and he had nothing to do with it other than he was the one who threw a party where it was allowed to take place
like i said have a private party at home and we arent talking about this
vick is an absolute target in the tidewater area for haters to creep out of the woodwork...so lets flaunt yourself by having a public birthday party where ANYONE can get in to cause mischief
he just isnt a very smart guy and had possibly even dumber advisors
You shouldn't talk about Tony Dungy that way.
People take any opportunity to rip Vick and in this case it's unwarranted in my opinion. He did nothing wrong at all.
you have a difficult time understanding the difference btwn being wrong and being stupid dont you?
Your criticism is wrong and my arguing with you about it is stupid.
everybody loves michael vick now, it's cute
it was just that once, sunny.
vigy wants the young black man to stay home and be quiet otherwise he's stupid, and pg is defending his rights to party like it's 1999?
Is this the twilight zone?
What's really strange is that they're both right. IGY and PG. Both correct. In the same day. I mean how can that happen? BOOM, there goes my brain stem.
i dont want him to do anything...im just saying he would do well to not jeopordize what little nfl career he has left by doing stupid shtein...lord knows he needs the money
he had a public birthday party at a bar
its dumb and it invites trouble
why he couldnt have people over his backyard to grill and drink essentially tells you how god damn stupid he is. some people just never get it and vick is one of them. coincidentally enough, so is andy reid.
Not feeling warm and fuzzy about a depth chart that includes Kafka as the backup to Kolb, so I'm hoping Vick did nothing wrong.
But if he did, he should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.
So, he apparently lied about what time he left the party. He actually left about 3 minutes before the shooting. What a douche. GET JEFF GARCIA
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 29, 2010, 06:14:42 PM
So, he apparently lied about what time he left the party. He actually left about 3 minutes before the shooting. What a douche. GET JEFF GARCIA
Article... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5342532)
Also, this is sort of hilarious...
Quote"I stand by what I said, that Michael was long gone before the shooting, does not know who did the shooting and had nothing to do with the shooting," Woodward told the newspaper. "Anyone who says any different better be very careful."
Vick didn't shoot anyone, but if you say that he did, he'll probably shoot you.
Release this bum already
Reid figured he could rehabilitate and showcase this guy then flip him for a mid-round pick, well it's backfired. Get out now and save some face.
Make him the starter and give him a five year hundred million dollar contract.
What a fargin dumbass. I mean, really. Why even put yourself in the position to jeopardize what scraps you've got left?
Cut.
Get out, ya fargin genius.
QuoteReport: Marcus Vick could be involved in shooting
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 30, 2010 6:36 PM ET
So I went on the Game 102.1 FM in Virginia Beach this afternoon to talk about Michael Vick. Before the segment was over, the hosts (Johnny D. and Bartley Barefoot) proceeded to break some news.
The radio station has sources that Marcus Vick, Michael's brother, was involved in the shooting that took place after Vick's 30th birthday party last Friday morning. It's uncertain what "involved" means here precisely. ESPN's Adam Schefter said earlier on Wednesday that he believes the shooter will turn himself in to authorities soon.
I was surprised initially to hear the Marcus Vick connection, and couched my response with a lot of "ifs" and "possiblys" regarding the situation. Barefoot had no such equivocation, saying his sources were sure Marcus Vick was involved.
We'll continue to track the story, as will a growing number of national sources. ESPN led their NFL coverage today on air and online with Michael Vick's timeline problem.
The longer this story drags on, the more uncomfortable it grows for Vick, not to mention the Eagles and Roger Goodell.
Vick could really use that shooter to come forward quickly.
QuoteI was surprised initially to hear the Marcus Vick connection
lol why would ANYONE be surprised about that connection
ditto. He's a complete and utter loser.
This Thread has more than 4 x as many pages as Vick has pass attempts... ::)
Wildcat.
Eagles "strongly considering" cutting Vick (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2010-07-03-michael-vick-saturday_N.htm)
As glad as I'd be to see him gone, the Eagles kinda need a backup QB, and maybe two more if the offensive line doesn't hold up.
Jeff Garcia
Fiery.
PE
Quote...any report or speculation that suggests the Eagles are considering releasing Vick are not true. We will continue to gather information and monitor the situation and we will not have any further comment until that process is complete.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 03, 2010, 12:40:36 PM
Jeff Garcia
Stop joking around. We all know you meant Timmy Chang.
Koy Detmer, bitches.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 03, 2010, 11:36:11 AM
Eagles "strongly considering" cutting Vick (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2010-07-03-michael-vick-saturday_N.htm)
Sure... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4975463 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4975463)
Right they give 1.5 bonus then cut... Right...
that story is from March.
He wasn't getting into any questionable situations in March.
His entire existence is a questionable situation. He just wasn't getting caught in March. As IGY pointed out, this dude is dumber than shtein. Just behvae yourself and keep your head down and you continue to be a millionaire despite yourself. Dude just can not do it.
Speaking of stupid people, I took the trolley (read: fancy 50's style bus they have here - yay) to the baseball game last night and two clowns got on. Both were on probation (how do I know this - they talked about it on the bus) and both of them explained to each other in full detail how they took drugs during probation and managed to avoid getting popped by drug testing. They said it on the bus. In full view and earshot of anyone sitting within 20 feet of them.
It takes a special sort of stupid to tell everyone around you that you're not only breaking the law but violating your felony probation as well.
I imagine Mike Vick doing things like that and it makes me feel giggle a little bit.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 29, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
What's really strange is that they're both right. IGY and PG. Both correct. In the same day. I mean how can that happen? BOOM, there goes my brain stem.
(http://picasion.com/pic25/000d581f49bb7a98b1dd1f685442a832.gif)
no charges will be filed against the shooter and the case is closed because Phillips won't cooperate with police and witnesses aren't saying anything either
Stop Snitching Randy
Well at least the dumbest man on Earth is smart enough to intimidate witnesses.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/07/report-eagles-interested-in-troy-smith-as-vick-replacement/
QuoteIf the Eagles decide to part ways with quarterback Mike Vick, they'll need a replacement.
Howard Eskin of WIP reported earlier today via Twitter that the team is eyeballing Troy Smith of the Ravens. Smith, who won a Heisman Trophy at Ohio State, has faded deep into the depth chart in Baltimore, behind Joe Flacco and recent arrival Marc Bulger.
As to the question of whether the Eagles will make a change, Eskin writes, "Say goodbye to Vick!"
yes, please
QuoteVick had to be restrained in confrontation before shooting
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 7, 2010 6:01 PM ET
Just minutes before someone was shot outside Eagles quarterback Michael Vick's birthday party, Vick got into a confrontation and had to be restrained by friends and placed inside a limousine that took him away, the Commonwealth's Attorney in Virginia Beach said today.
Vick is not a suspect in the shooting, but Commonwealth's Attorney Harvey L. Bryant addressed Vick's actions before the shooting when he discussed the case today.
"There were some confrontations between individuals and between groups and Michael Vick was involved in one of those confrontations," Bryant said, per WAVY. "[It was] a confrontation that involved shouting, words passing, some bumping."
Bryant went on to say that friends restrained Vick and put him in a limo, but that Vick then got back out to again confront someone. Bryant would not identify the person Vick was confronting.
"In terms of just using good judgment, at one point, he got in the limousine, and should have left at that point," Bryant said of Vick. "He got out of the limousine, and with the help of several friends, he was returned to to the limousine and left."
"It's my birthday and I'll cry if want to, cry if I want to."
I have tried to accept this guy and give him another shot but what a complete jack ass. Dumb shtein should lock his door and only leave the house for workouts, OTA's and when training camp begins.
if it doesnt happen will there be anything in the banner inc era that represents their titantic stubborness and complete unwillingness to admit any wrong doing whatsoever than them not releasing vick
Quote from: Don Ho on July 08, 2010, 04:10:11 AM
Dumb shtein should lock his door and only leave the house for workouts, OTA's and when training camp begins.
He should also try being better at football.
One step at a time, Rusty.
In fairness the DA has said that Vick has been cooperative and honest. He is just an idiot for ever putting himself in this position.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 08, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
In fairness the DA has said that Vick has been cooperative and honest. He is just an idiot for ever putting himself in this position.
actually he wasnt honest...he first stated that he had left the club a half hour before the shooting...then it came out that he left about three minutes before...now its come out that he tried to leave his limo and to engage in an altercation
zero tolerence.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 08, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
In fairness the DA has said that Vick has been cooperative and honest. He is just an idiot for ever putting himself in this position.
actually he wasnt honest...he first stated that he had left the club a half hour before the shooting...then it came out that he left about three minutes before...now its come out that he tried to leave his limo and to engage in an altercation
I am just going by what the DA said there has been a lot of contradictory sthein. Bottom line I could care less if they cut him.
I don't think anyone cares about potentially cutting him except for the fact that the team will have no viable backup for when the OL falls apart and Kolb gets injured. Not that Vick is exactly reliable, but at least he's taken meaningful snaps before. Their other option is a 5th round project rookie from Northwestern. FML.
they most likely arent making the playoffs with their starter much less with vick...im not suggesting they go into the season with mike kafka as their #2 but there is always a plethora of bck up qb's to be had and not cutting vick because you dont have a veteran #3 or 4 man currently on the roster is not a reason
its not like vick can play and the eagles are a superbowl contender
i actually dont even care if they cut vick...in fact im sort of against it because its hilarious seeing banner inc squirm thru this and it will be fascinating to see how long they hold out before they admit what a horrible mistake they made by signing him in the first place or not admit it at all
They can't cut Vick. Who would run the (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:XdBVqsHYQN-IfM:http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/wildcat/wildcat51-TemmincksGoldenCat-Snarls-FaceCloseup.jpg)? Pimp? You know Reid will want to run the wildcat until decades after defenses figure it out
QuoteFootball camp director rips Vick for "selfish act"
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 11, 2010 2:37 PM ET
Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has been barred from leaving Pennsylvania, which means he couldn't participate in the football camp he had committed to attending this weekend in Raleigh, North Carolina. The director of that camp wonders why Vick didn't bother to tell him.
The camp director, Cornelius Corprew, says that he never heard directly from Vick and was only informed that Vick wouldn't attend when he received a 2 a.m. phone call from one of Vick's handlers.
"They called early, like 2 o'clock in the morning, telling us he's not coming," Corprew told the Associated Press. "And then we couldn't speak to him. It was through one of his associates. We're not crazy. No state agency is communicating at 2 o'clock in the morning that he's not allowed to come. I think that was a selfish act."
Corprew says he's already paid Vick $2,000 for agreeing to show up to the camp, and that kids paid $175 each to attend, with the promise that Vick would pose for photos and sign autographs.
"I'm upset because our camp is built on integrity and character and that's what we teach to our kids," Corprew said.
Vick also missed today's Michael Vick Celebrity Golf tournament in Georgia, and organizers of that event also said Vick's representatives called them this morning and said he wouldn't attend.
Even before Vick's travel was restricted by his probation officer in the wake of the shooting that took place outside Vick's 30th birthday party, Vick was seeming to make a habit of taking money in exchange for agreeing to show up to an event, then skipping it. Vick was also a no-show for a party in Florida that he was paid $5,000 to attend last month.
Meanwhile, reports continue to mount that the Eagles will not stand behind their previous claim that they won't release Vick. According to Geoff Mosher of the Courier Post, the Eagles' public comments mask the fact that behind the scenes, they are preparing for life without Vick.
So...their camp is built on integrity and character. Way cool. And of all the NFL players they could invite, it's Michael Vick. And the parents shell out $175 with the promise of the kids meeting and having a picture with him. Dumbasses who associate with Vick in any way get what they deserve. And that includes the Eagles.
it dont get much smarter than raleigh, north carolina
how close is that to asheville, the culture capital of the world?
Quote from: KDS on July 11, 2010, 04:54:24 PM
it dont get much smarter than raleigh, north carolina
how close is that to asheville, the culture capital of the world?
about as close as you are to getting a job anywhere north of the border.
and nice grammar, retard.
racist
QuoteRICHMOND, Va. (AP)—The trustee in Michael Vick's(notes) bankruptcy case is seeking repayment of at least $2 million that the NFL quarterback doled out to friends and family members in the months before he was sent to federal prison for running a dogfighting operation.
A complaint filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Newport News says Vick knew his lucrative career was in jeopardy and that he would be facing huge legal bills, yet he continued to shower friends and relatives with gifts and cash. Those assets, trustee Joseph J. Luzinski argues, should have gone to Vick's creditors.
Attorneys for both Vick and the trustee say such filings are not unusual in complicated Chapter 11 cases like Vick's.
so kevin, need help with that foot ?
Not for nothing but if being careless with one's finances constituted a crime everyone I know would be in the joint.
if he did it i wouldnt even say its careless...id call it smart
and yes of all the things hes done this doesnt even rank
it's common because many people try to hide their money before the bankruptcy courts get their hands on it for the creditors.
the number of people heading into bankruptcy who try this is very high, and they don't get away with as much as you'd think
if everything is broken down into cash, its less likely to be found, but Dio is right.
Quote# LesBowen
Vick says he knows he's on his "last chance" and knows he shouldn't have put himself in party shooting situation.. 1 minute ago via web
"Wasn't a pleasant conversation" when Vick told A.Reid about shooting. Vick says found out about shooting "15-20 mins" after "from a friend" 3 minutes ago via web
Mike Vick at #Eagles camp: I should have listened to my mama and kept party private. Spoke with Goodell on phone last week.
Sentences motherfarger, use them.
news tried to make a story of this, its just Bullshtein. Gonzo looks like he's 20 years old reporting for the school paper
You mean like KDS?
I didn't think anything on Earth could be worse than hearing professional athletes speak until Twitter came along prompting us to read their semi-literate idiocy.
Jesus Christ...
Quote from: Diomedes on July 26, 2010, 05:26:00 PM
Sentences motherfarger, use them.
That's Lew Bowen on Twitter
Who is Lew?
Les' brother.
Think of poor mother Bowen.
If she's alive, she doesn't know how to use a computer, so she probably doesn't have to read it.
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2010, 07:36:57 PM
I didn't think anything on Earth could be worse than hearing professional athletes speak until Twitter came along prompting us to read their semi-literate idiocy.
Jesus Christ...
Amen.
Butthole.
QuoteGettn my Buizness takn care off b4 I head bac to Philly 2night... It iz that time... I'm in my zone all about my Buizness..
seriously this is awesome. stop being old and white.
no
Quote from: KDS on July 27, 2010, 12:25:20 AM
QuoteGettn my Buizness takn care off b4 I head bac to Philly 2night... It iz that time... I'm in my zone all about my Buizness..
seriously this is awesome. stop being old and white.
farg off and die.
signed
the old white guy
His worst offense might be signing up for Twitter. Most boring ever.
@MichaelVickZone
Twitter boring?
Inconceivable!
stop being old rome.
Story on the current whereabouts of Vick's dogs. (http://www.parade.com/news/2010/08/15-can-you-teach-a-bad-dog-new-tricks.html) Apparently there's a whole book on them coming out, for the animal crowd.
QuoteFewer than a dozen of the dogs were hardened fighters. Two had to be put down—one was excessively violent and the other was suffering from an irreparable injury. Then there was a group characterized as "pancake dogs"—animals so traumatized they flattened themselves on the ground and trembled when humans approached. Another group seemed to be dogs of relatively friendly normal temperament who simply had never been socialized.
Sounds like a fair assessment of society in general.
That's deep man.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img186/8299/deepgraffiti.jpg)
deep deep deeper than atlantis.....deeper than the sea floor travelled by the mantis
I just listened to that this past weekend.
Quote"I feel like if I had been out there for four quarters maybe we would have had a chance to win the game."
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
Never thought I would be rooting for Vick to be the starter...
j im not sure you get it
Get what?
Drops your pearls of wisdom on me, Todd.
He may be implying that this is a throw-away year and we need to let Kolb fail if he's going to fail so he can move on.
What do you want out of this season exactly? Playoffs? Superbowl? If neither, then why should Vick even start. Let Kolb prove he can fail or prove he can win. This way we can move on if he does suck.
ummm yes
its really not that challenging
either kolb sucks and you move in a different direction after the year, or hes good and you look forward to 11 and 12 and beyond
lets say they start vick from here on out...what are they, 8-8? 10-6? either way they still aint winning shtein. i know its difficult to digest but youre just gonna have to give kolb this season to play football. so far, its been terrible. yes. but its 1 half of football. lets see more, huh?
Rich Eisen says another good game by Vick means Kolb will be on a short leash. Yay we can joke about dogs again!
Rich Eisen said it....it must be true. I don't think anyone will say Kolb played great but he was getting killed by Matthews. Lets give him at least half a season before we throw him under the bus.
In my opinion, with the three years in waiting, the hype that he is the next franchise, the trading of your proven player to a division rival...
You don't come out and lay an egg like today. You simply don't.
And I'm talking about the coach and the player. All of the build up. All of the articles about hie fiery attitude and leadership and whatever else.
You come out and handle business not get bitch slapped.
And for the record, I really hope that I am wrong about him. I want to win. If it is Kolb or Vick, I want to win. But if he doesn't get his shtein straight...then you pull the plug. He's had time to learn and grow. Now is time to produce.
.5 game in 08
2 games in 09
.5 game in 10
=
plenty of growing time
-j
Excuse me, but where's the "he's ready to take over" talk now?
With all of that hype you do not come out and lay an egg like that. No sir.
yea he was terrible
but this year is more about his progression than anything else, so lets not get crazy there j
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2010, 11:59:55 PM
Excuse me, but where's the "he's ready to take over" talk now?
With all of that hype you do not come out and lay an egg like that. No sir.
C'mon. You know better. You know what the situation is, and why you need to stop getting your hopes up. The 30 something dog butcher isn't the answer, and putting Kolb on the bench for another year isn't either. He needs to get out there and get his ass beat this season so that next season he might be ready to go.
Stop acting like this season means a damned thing. Stop getting worked up about who's playing QB or how they're doing. Just stop.
No way, man.
Not when they traded a proven commodity to a division rival. Not when they crammed Kevin Kolb down our throats. This isn't rebuilding by necessity, it is rebuilding by choice. And they better have guessed right.
Kevin Kolb better be the real deal or else its time to send Big Red on down the road.
Basically, your stance is to bitch about Kolb because Reid is an idiot.
If Reid were less of an idiot, Kolb would be in his second season as a full-time starter. McNabb would probably be looking at where he's going to go next season.
so because the media hypes the guy, there is no allowed transition period? that makes sense.
I hear McNabb had a stellar game last night.
ill do it before any of the corny qb lovers do
mcnabb 1-0
cobb 0-1
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/michael-vick-should-be-eagles-quarterback
QuoteThe teflon coach is now on the clock.
With Donovan McNabb banished to our nation's capital, Philadelphia football fans have no choice but to examine the work of the man wearing the headsets.
Andy Reid is 0-1 today largely because he still can't manage the clock, committed to Kevin Kolb as his starting quarterback with little supporting evidence and allowed an atrocious fourth-and-1 play-call late in Philly's 27-20 loss to Green Bay.
Making matters worse is Reid watched Michael Vick's electrifying second-half performance and concluded Kevin Kolb is still the Eagles' starting quarterback (if he's healthy).
Andy Reid is either clueless or blind.
QuoteKolb, The Anointed One, picked up right where he left off in the preseason, connecting on half of his 10 passes for 24 yards and running for a yard. DeSean Jackson, Philly's big-play receiver, didn't catch a pass in the first half. Philadelphia's offense went nowhere with Kolb.
Whitlock stole my name for Kolb.
whitlock is famous for his impartiality when it comes to race.
Someone please send Whitlock the link to the other CF.
He is spot on here.
You play the QB who gives you the best chance to win. They traded away the number one option - so the next best is obviously Vick.
Never thought I'd say that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 06:29:33 PM
You play the QB who gives you the best chance to win.
not always...sometimes the big picture is more important
they have to find out what cobb is....playing a guy who isnt even going to be on the team next year serves no purpose
4-12 with cobb this year is better than 8-8 with vick
And what if Vick is the guy who should be the QB for the next several years and not The Golden One?
Relax, we'll all find out what kind of player he is this year. In the meantime, we will just have to suffer through Reid blowing game after game until his contract is up. QB is not the problem with the team right now. Let's make that a well known fact. Bad time to be a Philly Eagle.
vick is a bad qb and has proven that time and time again...didnt you watch him in atlanta for all those years....he makes mcnabb look like joe montana...vick wouldnt be the guy if he wasnt in his 30's
cobb is the future and if he isnt then whoever is is not on the roster right now
Your hate for Kolb really is pathetic, he played a quarter and a half before getting hurt and now he sucks. Give him at least half a season.
they ran 10 rush plays and 10 pass by half. generating nothing. Vick comes in does his job. Is running for his life and manages to get them close before Reid blows it. Vick had some bad throws, I was waiting for the INT every pass. Some of the receivers made some tough catches to their credit. Does this game prove Kolb or Vick is ready, no. Story over. Stop the stupidity and just relax, its going to be a long year if you like it or not. The main problem is the coaches and there is nothing the players or us can do about it. We're farged til he's gone.
Quote from: SunMo on September 13, 2010, 09:01:38 AM
so because the media hypes the guy, there is no allowed transition period? that makes sense.
this
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
And what if Vick is the guy who should be the QB for the next several years and not The Golden One?
lol
j you are LOSING it
Phreak, it hurts me to say this, but I agree with MDS. You're grasping at straws.
don't slow your roll bro, no matter what they say
Havas - I was against the move to sign Vick. I did watch him in ATL and always thought he was one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He is not suited for the 3-5 step drop WCO. But it looks like he may have improved himself.
Allow me to re-state my position on Kolb;
I do not hate him. I hope he succeeds. I do not believe that he will be what they need in order to win. I am not sold on him and I believe that the hype surrounding him is unfounded and premature.
I am willing to give him more time because, quite frankly, what other option do I have?
Again, I hope I am wrong. But I believe they erred in trading McNabb and that Kolb will not be the answer.
And the adulation shown towards him is over the top.
where is this cobb hype....ive yet to encounter it within the media or the fanbase
seems to me its been invented by mcnabb lovers
yea seriously
people are excited and interested into seeing how hed do. no one was planning a parade.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2010, 07:44:47 PM
where is this cobb hype....ive yet to encounter it within the media or the fanbase
seems to me its been invented by mcnabb lovers
Say what?
Where is the hype? Yet to encounter it? People have been calling for him for awhile. And especially the McNabb haters, which are quite plentiful, who loved to point out that the Eagles had a real QB.
He's been hyped a lot.
i always thought phreak's schtick concerning kolb was sarcasm fueled by the collective mocking mcnabb rightly received after a decade of choking, puking and generally coming up short.
now i'm not so sure.
his actively campaigning for michael vick to start the rest of the season might be one of the most entertaining things i've ever seen here especially considering how much he hated the vick signing from day one.
No schtick, man...I truly believe that they made the wrong decision and will continue to do so until Kolb makes me look like a fool.
Kolb's offense hasn't scored a TD this year, and that includes the PS. That is worrisome. And the way they started yesterday was the absolute wrong answer.
Reid is culpable for some of that, but I honestly think they have made the wrong call with him.
its legit to say kolb could be the wrong call but by no means does that make mcnabb the right one
I pretty much get the impression that most of you have half of Kolb in your throats. By all means, feel free to bash me for this. I think its just ridiculous to defend either side right now. None of you know how this will turn out and to argue about who likes who and point fingers is pointless. I'm just glad Vick did what he did. I honestly think we could have Brees as our QB and Reid would still find a way to farg shtein up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Reid is culpable for some of that, but I honestly think they have made the wrong call with him.
Reid is 100% to blame for the loss.
Well, I will sit back and see what happens and hope that I am dead wrong. Because I want to book some tickets to Philly for a goddamn parade.
So let's hope Quarterback Jesus is the right decision.
It will not happen under Andy Reid sorry. Now pray for his death like the rest of us.
McNabb was done on the Eagles whether Kolb was the call or not.
If Kolb turns out to suck royally (which I don't believe he will) then they can always punt Reid the farg out and start over with a new coach and a new quarterback.
can you show me anywhere where cobb has been annointed the next great one...not someone saying it was time to move on...but someone calling him qb jesus
i mean anywhere whether on this board or off
you really are losing it
jay's using over the top hyperbole in describing kolb's legion of fans.
i can certainly understand why that sort of thing would be foreign to you.
this doesnt sound like hyperbole to me...sounds like he truly believes he has been hyped
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 07:53:05 PM
He's been hyped a lot.
he's been hyped by the eagles and their ridiculous pr machine.
no one in the mass media that i know of has jumped on his cock, though. i could be wrong because i read as little from the philly media as possible preferring to get most of my inside info from twitter & mds.
The first QB and coach to win a Super Bowl with the Eagles are great. Until then, they're all bums.
Quote from: Rome on September 13, 2010, 08:18:33 PM
he's been hyped by the eagles and their ridiculous pr machine.
no one in the mass media that i know of has jumped on his cock, though. i could be wrong because i read as little from the philly media as possible preferring to get most of my inside info from twitter & mds.
Did you read anything leading up to the season? The National media was all over his jock.
I wouldn't go as far as to say they were all over his jock. He showed in his first two NFL starts that he was capable. It was/is a big story when you are replacing a guy that was the face of the franchise for 11 years.
He had a bad start yesterday and then got hurt. I don't know how anybody could judge either way. I am sure he had some jitters being it was the first time he was "the guy".
McNabb never had jitters ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2010, 08:16:12 PM
this doesnt sound like hyperbole to me...sounds like he truly believes he has been hyped
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 07:53:05 PM
He's been hyped a lot.
His legion of fans, more so the Hate McNabb Group, were very vocal in hyping him up. I mean, how much did we, well I guess not you, hear about his accuracy? About how he was the true WCO QB they needed? How his leadership was oh so wonderful.
So while I do go beyond with the Jesus and Anointed One stuff, the hype was certainly there.
And it was mainly by those who were pissing on McNabb's Eagle-grave.
if i could id piss on his face for wasting 11 years of my life with worm burners and puke jobs
then id take his urine-soaked face, rip it off his flabby body and beat the shtein out of andy reid with it
Quote from: KDS on September 13, 2010, 09:42:28 PM
if i could id piss on his face for wasting 11 years of my life with worm burners and puke jobs
then id take his urine-soaked face, rip it off his flabby body and beat the shtein out of andy reid with it
lol
So many puke jobs!
I long for the days of Rodney Peete, dont you??
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 13, 2010, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: Rome on September 13, 2010, 08:18:33 PM
he's been hyped by the eagles and their ridiculous pr machine.
no one in the mass media that i know of has jumped on his cock, though. i could be wrong because i read as little from the philly media as possible preferring to get most of my inside info from twitter & mds.
Did you read anything leading up to the season? The National media was all over his jock.
what part of
twitter & mds did you not understand?
McNabb gotem on the doorstep with a retarded head coach and a complete lack of offense for how many years?
Ah, but I forgot, those are excuses and he should have got it done regardless.
do the words brian westbrook mean anything to you, munson?
dont talk to him please
theres nothing you can accomplish outside of internal rage and increased hatred of a loathsome, horrendous individual.
and no im not talking about mcnabb
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pretty much
I didn't really start to hate McNabb until after the Cards game and after his article in GQ I don't ever want to see him succeed. Also it should tell you something when Ray Didinger pretty much blasted him.
Quote from: Rome on September 13, 2010, 09:49:23 PM
do the words brian westbrook mean anything to you, munson?
You mean the Brian Westbrook that was frequently forgotten in the running game, and sometimes flat out ignored? The fact that he was probably the #1 WR half the time tells you all you need to know about the talent around McNabb.
Who outside of TO did McNabb have to throw to until last year? Chad Lewis?
They gave him a real weapon and they got to the SB and ran into maybe the only team better than them that year, and certainly the team with the better coach.
Unfortunately, by the time the retard in charge got the weapons around McNabb, the defense sucked nuts and McNabbs skills had begun to diminish. Now they've got a young, not nearly as mobile QB who is learning and despite the sieve in front of him called the OLine, the retard still thinks it's a good idea to drop him back time after time, or shuttle him off the field to run the ball with the back up QB.
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I didn't really start to hate McNabb until after the Cards game and after his article in GQ I don't ever want to see him succeed. Also it should tell you something when Ray Didinger pretty much blasted him.
the epitome of mcnabb was the cards game
no matter what you thought of him or how much you want to complain about the lack of weapons he had or andys bad coaching or whatever--all of those things of truth--but nothing describes mcnabb more than him saying, after the game, that after his td to pimp that he had done enough.
did the defense implode? yes. should they have won the game right there? yes.
but its as clear as day mcnabb didnt feel he had to do anything else after that td. he checked out mentally and told himself 'well if we lose this game it aint on me, i did my part.' how you can defend someone like this and how you can win with someone like this is beyond me.
sports and life dont work this way. but for someone as coddled and as mentally weak as mcnabb, it does in his mind. thats why he wont get a ring and thats why he doesnt feel he needs to get one to justify his career.
He is a proven NFL quarterback who is still in his prime. You do not trade them away. Certainly not to a division rival.
There was no reason to hand Kolb that starting job.
i cant believe were having this conversation again
1. nothing matters except titles
2. mcnabb has proven he is not capable of winning one
3. reid has proven he is not capable of winning one
4. reid got a contract extension
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
He is a proven NFL quarterback who is still in his prime. You do not trade them away. Certainly not to a division rival.
There was no reason to hand Kolb that starting job.
Unless they knew the team wasn't gonna be much good this year and it was time to start a rebuilding phase around a core group of young skill position players. Of course they didn't come out and say that, but it's beginning to look like they knew it was so. Kolb is try #1. They've probably got one, maybe 2 more tries with this group if Kolb fails to find a competent QB.
I honestly dont' know how much better McNabb would have been this year behind that oline and without a change in philosophy from Reid. A little better, sure, but enough to make a real difference? Meh.
Quote from: KDS on September 13, 2010, 10:15:00 PM
i cant believe were having this conversation again
1. nothing matters except titles
2. mcnabb has proven he is not capable of winning one
3. reid has proven he is not capable of winning one
4. reid got a contract extension
Perhaps those who laid the blame at the feet of 5 will reconsider?
Nothing will change my mind to convince me that letting him walk away was a good idea.
Jay has a problem with the team getting rid of his favorite players even when they are past there prime.
i think you established that buddy
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 13, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
Jay has a problem with the team getting rid of his favorite players even when they are past there prime.
past their prime? based on what? a mcnabb led team was just in the nfc champ game two seasons ago.
and the mention of westbrook? you mean the same westbrook who was almost always not playing in the playoffs cause of injuries?
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by that beautiful logic you should replace the qb and the coach (apparently the only two people responsible for getting to, winning, or losing the SB) every single season there is no Lombardi trophy. oh wait whats this it doesn't work like that?
and you keep harping on Reid got the extension so McNabb had to go. if McNabb was kept and Reid was fired you would be ok with McNabb here? McNabb proved he can't win the big one but Reid has proven it? Right so every playoff game McNabb ever won was never big but every game he lost was big or a choke job. far less talented QBs have won SBs and far more talented QBs have never won or been to a SB. the whole notion that McNabb has proven some thing you can't measure its pretty funny to observe fans cling to.
i am constantly shocked and amazed by how much how this board knows about the inner workings of a player and how or when everyone knows someone is done, checked out of the game, does not have the desire to play, or is saying one thing but meaning another.
im with Jay in that its frustrating as hell to see this team re build with this coach and FO when its far easier to replace a coach than it is to replace a franchise QB. makes it even more frustrating to have the FO constantly take a wait and see approach, get younger every yr, compete but never go for it all approach, keep stocking up on draft picks to build towards some elusive future that never comes, and then because of the contract/money issue with McNabb decide to rebuild rather than reload.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
He is a proven NFL quarterback who is still in his prime. You do not trade them away. Certainly not to a division rival.
There was no reason to hand Kolb that starting job.
other than the fact that reid had spent the last three years building the offense around his skills you mean?
Quote from: Rome on September 13, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
He is a proven NFL quarterback who is still in his prime. You do not trade them away. Certainly not to a division rival.
There was no reason to hand Kolb that starting job.
other than the fact that reid had spent the last three years building the offense around his skills you mean?
so they spent the last three yrs to build around Kolb over McNabb?
duh?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 13, 2010, 10:45:15 PM
if McNabb was kept and Reid was fired you would be ok with McNabb here?
I'd have been more ok with keeping McNabb for another year with a new coach (and dumping the Walrus) and seeing what he could do with another year with the kiddies than what happened but we got what we got. Honestly I wanted and want both of those knuckleheads gone. I've wanted Reid gone longer then McNabb, far longer (that season opening disaster against the Titans was the first time I wanted that SOB to be canned) but neither one of them are good for more then teasing success and finding a way to rip out your heart. McNabb's still a whiny bitch and I'm still glad he's gone. One overrated guy gone, one to go.
Is the scenario so difficult to understand?
The Eagles weren't winning any Super Bowls this year (or next) with Kolb, Vick, McNabb, or Brady. Too many positions on the team needed replenishment.
McNabb is no longer at his peak but still had trade value. Rather than pay him big and get diminishing returns each year from an aging and oft-injured QB, they traded him in for a guy who should be their starting free safety for the next decade.
They had a young QB on their roster who they like and who can grow with the young team, instead of getting worse and more inconsistent each year. Hopefully the young team will establish chemistry and they can start filling in the remaining pieces and again be a major force in the NFL for a long while.
And what if they are wrong about Kolb and his ceiling is what we saw on Sunday? Well, for starters, it will take a while to determine that. Most good QBs suck when they first begin their starting careers. I think Drew Brees flat-out sucked for 2+ years as a starter. You just have to stick with him for a little while and see if the talent the coaches think they see in him shows up. Reid supposedly knows how to groom QB talent.
But if Kolb does suck, then the core of the team will still be young enough to get another big-name drafted QB, FA, or play with Vick as a stopgap for one or two years until one becomes available. And then you have another shot to hit the bigtime. But for this year at least, you have to see what you have in Kolb.
It's not just that this method gives them a better shot at winning the SB. It also gives them the best shot at returning to what the Eagles were in the early part of the last decade. Not riding McNabb until he's embarrassing himself out there every week in 2013 and all the young guys' career years have been wasted on a relic who was elite in the early '00s. Let it go, the old window was closed.
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woods is half chinaman.
He's 1/4 Thai and 1/4 white, racist.
If more white golfers got opportunities, they'd prove they were just as good as that half breed.
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Sure looks like a pacific islander to me.
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Is the scenario so difficult to understand?
The Eagles weren't winning any Super Bowls this year (or next) with Kolb, Vick, McNabb, or Brady. Too many positions on the team needed replenishment.
McNabb is no longer at his peak but still had trade value. Rather than pay him big and get diminishing returns each year from an aging and oft-injured QB, they traded him in for a guy who should be their starting free safety for the next decade.
They had a young QB on their roster who they like and who can grow with the young team, instead of getting worse and more inconsistent each year. Hopefully the young team will establish chemistry and they can start filling in the remaining pieces and again be a major force in the NFL for a long while.
And what if they are wrong about Kolb and his ceiling is what we saw on Sunday? Well, for starters, it will take a while to determine that. Most good QBs suck when they first begin their starting careers. I think Drew Brees flat-out sucked for 2+ years as a starter. You just have to stick with him for a little while and see if the talent the coaches think they see in him shows up. Reid supposedly knows how to groom QB talent.
But if Kolb does suck, then the core of the team will still be young enough to get another big-name drafted QB, FA, or play with Vick as a stopgap for one or two years until one becomes available. And then you have another shot to hit the bigtime. But for this year at least, you have to see what you have in Kolb.
It's not just that this method gives them a better shot at winning the SB. It also gives them the best shot at returning to what the Eagles were in the early part of the last decade. Not riding McNabb until he's embarrassing himself out there every week in 2013 and all the young guys' career years have been wasted on a relic who was elite in the early '00s. Let it go, the old window was closed.
Well it is my belief that they could have fortified the areas that needed it and kept my McNabb, the proven quarterback.
Because with McNabb or Kolb those positions still needed and could have been addressed, right?
They could have beefed up the running game and OL and defense regardless of what happened with the QB position. I don't buy that they HAD to dump McNabb. They could have re-loaded with him.
You take a couple more shots with the veteran QB and the young supporting cast. That is my opinion and how I think they should have handled it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
They could have beefed up the running game and OL and defense regardless of what happened with the QB position. I don't buy that they HAD to dump McNabb. They could have re-loaded with him.
They've been doing that for the past 5 seasons. That's an eternity in football. His chance was 2004 and he blew it. Was there any season after that one that you think they could have added a piece here or there and won the Superbowl?
Quote from: SD on September 14, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
They could have beefed up the running game and OL and defense regardless of what happened with the QB position. I don't buy that they HAD to dump McNabb. They could have re-loaded with him.
They've been doing that for the past 5 seasons. That's an eternity in football. His chance was 2004 and he blew it. Was there any season after that one that you think they could have added a piece here or there and won the Superbowl?
So he only gets one legit chance?
Could they have done better in player evaluation and additions? Hell yes!
I mean, they signed Mike McfargingMahon as their only FA after the SB run!!
Again, I hope they made the right decision. I really hope so. Because we're all going to suffer if they made the wrong call.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 11:10:53 PM
Quote from: SD on September 14, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
They could have beefed up the running game and OL and defense regardless of what happened with the QB position. I don't buy that they HAD to dump McNabb. They could have re-loaded with him.
They've been doing that for the past 5 seasons. That's an eternity in football. His chance was 2004 and he blew it. Was there any season after that one that you think they could have added a piece here or there and won the Superbowl?
So he only gets one legit chance?
Could they have done better in player evaluation and additions? Hell yes!
I mean, they signed Mike McfargingMahon as their only FA after the SB run!!
Dude he had 5 legit chances and blew it. You make it to the NFCC you step the farg up and play ball, not make excuses.
You said his chance was 2004.
And I will maintain that he was the main reason for their success (along with the defense in the early days) but was hampered by the management and coaching.
Its evident now that the FO is still blind.
They have their new shiny franchise QB lining up behind that sloppy ass OL.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Again, I hope they made the right decision. I really hope so. Because we're all going to suffer if they made the wrong call.
Drama queen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
You said his chance was 2004.
And I will maintain that he was the main reason for their success (along with the defense in the early days) but was hampered by the management and coaching.
Its evident now that the FO is still blind.
They have their new shiny franchise QB lining up behind that sloppy ass OL.
This. You can say he was responsible for not winning the big one, but he was also probably reason #1a that they were even there in the first place. Imagine if the TO thing didn't blow up, or if he had a legit WR in the 2001-2003 years.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Again, I hope they made the right decision. I really hope so. Because we're all going to suffer if they made the wrong call.
I'll take some suffering now, thanks. Frankly, I've had enough of watching this team stumble into the playoffs. If changing the quarterback is the first step on the road to no more worm burners, no more games with single digit rushing attempts, no more undersized players forced into positions they can't handle, no more Marty Morningwood, and no more god damned Andy Reid, I'm all for it. Bring on 1-15.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 11:10:53 PM
So he only gets one legit chance?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
You take a couple more shots with the veteran QB and the young supporting cast. That is my opinion and how I think they should have handled it.
you are certifiably insane.....he only had one chance...what the farg??....he played 11 seasons made the playoffs seven times the nfc title game five times and the superbowl once....he had more chances than almost anyone ever and couldnt get it done
add in his wearing down body his eroding skills and his disconnect with the young players on the team and it was the perfect time for him to go if you could get value for him and they got good value
theres no worse defense of mcnabb than the age old defense mechanism of giving him all the credit for getting to championship games but none of the blame for not winning them
igy is spot on here.
And Phreak, you just received the kiss of death in any argument when musnon agreed with you. Time to move on.
McNabb had two chances to beat the Cowboys last season. Didn't he have one pass completion in the first half of one of those games?
If he'd beaten them on the first shot, the Eagles would have had a 1st round bye. Instead, he played like crap two weeks in a row against the same team. But that's not a "legit" chance?
Bottom line is that McNabb's not the guy. Kolb may not be either, but it was time to shtein or get off the pot with him. Is that really so hard to fathom?
farg the dallas games he was straight up overwhelmed and horrible there
his real chance the chance of a lifetime was in the nfc championship game at arizona
ball in hands three minutes to go with a superbowl visit on the line
poop
yup
and he had plenty of weapons (Celek, Westbrook, D Jackson, Curtis) and a good O-line. Bottom line is great QBs rise to the occasion and get shtein done, Brady won his first SB with a lot less than what Donovan had.
Brady never had the arsenal of excuses available to Donovan not to mention a coach and owner who would back him no matter how awful he played in the last game of the season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2010, 09:39:56 AM
farg the dallas games he was straight up overwhelmed and horrible there
his real chance the chance of a lifetime was in the nfc championship game at arizona
ball in hands three minutes to go with a superbowl visit on the line
poop
Don't forget the fact that he shtein the bed for much of the game before that. He was missing wide open receivers for the entire first half. Then, he finally made some great plays and rallied to a 1-point lead. Then shtein the bed again after the D coughed it up.
They should have won that AZ game by double digits.
yup...the amount of wide open running around the field that just pimp did in that game was astonishing
especially in the first half guys were free all over the place and the offense put up six points
they should have scored 40+ that game
Quote from: SD on September 15, 2010, 09:48:14 AM
yup
and he had plenty of weapons (Celek, Westbrook, D Jackson, Curtis) and a good O-line. Bottom line is great QBs rise to the occasion and get shtein done, Brady won his first SB with a lot less than what Donovan had.
They showed their youth.
The o-line showed their lack of talent sunday.
You're all right. McNabb had to go. Trade a proven vet for a hope this new guy will be good. I'm wrong. Hell they should have dealt the bum in 2005.
Probably could have gotten more for him, and by now Reid would be gone as well. I think you're on to something with that idea.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 15, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
You're all right. McNabb had to go. Trade a proven vet for a hope this new guy will be good. I'm wrong. Hell they should have dealt the bum in 2005.
He's proven, alright. Proven to be just not quite good enough to win the big one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 15, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
You're all right. McNabb had to go. Trade a proven vet for a hope this new guy will be good. I'm wrong. Hell they should have dealt the bum in 2005.
defend his performance in the arizona game
that one isn't hard for the mcnabb lovers
"he brought them back from 22 points down, blah, blah, blah....defense couldn't get off the field, blah blah blah"
I sent SunMo a text during the 4th quarter of that game that says it all.
"Would you rather have Kurt Warner or Donovan McNabb right now to win the game?"
THE END. CLOSE THREAD. BLAST US ALL INTO THE ABYSSMAL DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN.
Vick makes more sense than Donovan ever did. Very sad.
LINK (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=21879)
Quote"It was gratifying to be able to go out and just have fun playing the game and playing the way I like to play the game and the way the game is dictated," Vick said. "Sometimes, we have a tendency to make the game more serious than it is and put a lot of pressure on ourselves which is normal, which is good because you have to do that in order to bring the best out of yourself."
Clearly, he is the second coming of Brett Favre.
He didn't say "aw shucks" or whip out his dongasaurus, so NO.
If he was wearing crocs during the interview all bets are off.
should be interesting this week with mike mcglynn snapping the ball to michael vick
o/u on number of bad exchanges?
also detroits mike lb will be staring down two mikes this week
Quote from: rjs246 on September 15, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
I sent SunMo a text during the 4th quarter of that game that says it all.
"Would you rather have Kurt Warner or Donovan McNabb right now to win the game?"
THE END. CLOSE THREAD. BLAST US ALL INTO THE ABYSSMAL DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN.
Abyssals not abysmals.[/dio]
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 15, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
You're all right. McNabb had to go. Trade a proven vet for a hope this new guy will be good. I'm wrong. Hell they should have dealt the bum in 2005.
I thought they should have kept McNabb over trading him to a divisional rival, but the arguments that you have to cut strings at some point and the Eagles aren't going anywhere with McNabb is persuasive. As has been posted many times, he had plenty of chances but didn't produce.
I disagree with the Eagles exit strategy. Kolb did play well against a Chiefs defense that was 30th in yards allowed, but even though he threw for a shtein ton of yards, he did not play all that great (3 picks) against the Saints who were 25th.
I hope Kolb does well but I see no reason to have faith in the ability of Andy Reid to judge a players talent. or coach
i seriously doubt they decided to go with cobb as their future qb after the kc game
whatever it was, they're stupid
my worry is not stupid but stubborn
i truly hope they think cobb can be an nfl qb and if andy sees that i actually would trust him
my worry is that they know he doesnt have IT...but are being stubborn because they of the controversy over picking him trading their number one pick to dallas that year and then trading away mcnabb they want to prove so badly to everyone that they were right that instead od admitting he sucks they are going to try and shove him down out throats for a year or two to long
Excellent point, except I don't understand why anybody would trust the same people who try to cram players into positions they're not destined to play. LBs and DTs at FB and any defensive player can play at any defensive position.
Hopefully Kolb can go again soon though because I'd rather see him play how he's going to play than the other QB that Reid thinks is good
Reid has been watching Kolb since he was a college freshman. They spent a second round pick on him when maybe one or two other teams in the league had him going anywhere close to that. And they picked him when their franchise quarterback was theoretically still in his prime.
But yeah, they hadn't decided on him as the future until, like, July of this year.
Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?
I'm not saying they didn't decide he was the future a long time ago. I'm saying if they're right, it's pure blind luck
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 15, 2010, 08:35:14 PM
I'm not saying they didn't decide he was the future a long time ago. I'm saying if they're right, it's pure blind luck
i would disagree with that
i would say if they are right then they are pretty damn good at judging/developing qb's
they hit the mark right on with mcnabb when every other qb around him was crashing and burning
Quote from: Rome on September 15, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
Reid has been watching Kolb since he was a college freshman. They spent a second round pick on him when maybe one or two other teams in the league had him going anywhere close to that. And they picked him when their franchise quarterback was theoretically still in his prime.
But yeah, they hadn't decided on him as the future until, like, July of this year.
Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?
who are you talking to because i dont think anyone said any of this...much less more than one person
I would cheer for Mike Vick if he electrocuted you all and then drowned you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2010, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 15, 2010, 08:35:14 PM
I'm not saying they didn't decide he was the future a long time ago. I'm saying if they're right, it's pure blind luck
i would disagree with that
i would say if they are right then they are pretty damn good at judging/developing qb's
they hit the mark right on with mcnabb when every other qb around him was crashing and burning
Quote from: Rome on September 15, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
Reid has been watching Kolb since he was a college freshman. They spent a second round pick on him when maybe one or two other teams in the league had him going anywhere close to that. And they picked him when their franchise quarterback was theoretically still in his prime.
But yeah, they hadn't decided on him as the future until, like, July of this year.
Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?
who are you talking to because i dont think anyone said any of this...much less more than one person
Actually, you're right...my blind hatred for Reid makes me biased
And I can see how Rome inferred that from my post about their exit strategy. But those are really the only games I have to judge Kolb by
QuoteHawaii 54, Houston 48 (3 OT), Hawaii Bowl -- Dec. 25, 2003: Unfortunately, most remember the postgame fight between the teams, but the game itself produced plenty of drama. Quarterbacks Kevin Kolb of Houston and Timmy Chang of Hawaii headlined an offensive explosion that featured 1,158 total yards.
Fatty's dream team.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 15, 2010, 08:43:27 PM
I would cheer for Mike Vick if he electrocuted you all and then drowned you.
After he made us fight, yes?
aren't you guys already fighting? better be careful too cause if he electrocutes you and kills you no one will give a shtein. you guys aren't dogs.
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the real world legs are Westbrook, right?
probably
I think it's a little screen play he took
no help from LJ's pathetic block
thats the screen to westbrook where runyan threw the epic forearm shiver block on cornelius griffin which capped off a great 4th quarter comeback for the birds
love that game
its also the game where thrash caught two td's
so how much guaranteed money do you think the eagles pay vick after he starts all the games this year and gets them to the playoffs?
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/12/fullj.2715959c6e784af2fdd2f72c00dc86fb/2715959c6e784af2fdd2f72c00dc86fb-getty-98533136me034_green_bay_pac.jpg)
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All i can say is that he looks great in that jersey, looks like a starting lineup figure
i cant think of anything looking better in that jersey than munsons corpse
QuoteAll i can say is that he looks great in that jersey, looks like a starting lineup figure
the entertainment factor is there for sure. if you're going to be running for your life behind this o-line anyway, why not have a guy that can run his ass off?
vick's jersey sales spike after week 2.
I'm glad to see that Vick played well against the Packers and I'm actually hoping that he gets another start or 2. Not that I don't want Kolb, but I think that if Vick gets one or 2 starts and plays like he did against GB, then it dramatically improves his trade value. Perhaps a team like Arizona or Miami would be willing to give up a nice draft pick for him before the deadline.
The Eagles aren't doing shtein this year with or without him. With him, maybe they're a playoff team. But regardless who is under center, this team ain't winning a super bowl. So I'd just as soon let Vick play to improve his trade value. Get what you can for him and send him on his way. Then if Kolb happens to play well and the Eagles make the post season....fine. But if the team faulters and they finish 4 and 12, then at least they've got a top 5 pick next year to use on a LT and will also have the extra pick from Vick.
Wow, that second pick is awesome. Those uni's are the best. Only thing I'd do is put the double white strip on the sleeve.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/ananumuss/39738.jpg)
Looks roughly 900 times better in the old school greens.
I think Reid should give Vick one or two whole series, so he still gets play but Kolb does not have to look over his shoulder for #7 on every play.
and you think this helps Kolb stay in a groove?
No, but I think it is unreasonable to have a guy like Vick and simply keep his ass on the bench. So, if Vick playing is inevitable, then just give him the ball for an entire series instead of mixing and matching. Thus, if the team gets into a 1st and 20 or 2nd and 11 (both of which happened against the Packers with Vick in on 1st down), Vick will have to dig himself out of it... instead of Kolb getting raped.
so just pick and choose the series--heads or tails?
as much as I would rather have vick in for entertainment purposes, swapping qbs out for whole series is completely illogical by any means, not to mention you would see nachos and nutty buddys raining down on Reid's head from the stands if he pulled that shtein
While I understand that the crowd in Jacksonville is likely to contain plenty of Eagles fans, I think it's more likely to be the ones who don't ever leave a nacho or a nutty buddy behind.
And they're probably deep fried.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2010, 10:30:23 AM
Looks roughly 900 times better in the old school greens.
I think Reid should give Vick one or two whole series, so he still gets play but Kolb does not have to look over his shoulder for #7 on every play.
I don't see how this could work. Seems like it would mess the whole offense up. If Kolb is playing he starts until he gets buried or Reid pulls him and sits him for good.
My only point is that it's better than the way it was done against the Packers.
Philly sports media is awesome:
m.plixi.com/p/46478824
I'm sure there's copious discussion about this someplace I haven't looked yet...but I'm having trouble getting totally behind the Vick starting thing. I think it makes sense in the short term, but creates a host of problems beyond the season. More than that, I really think that it speaks to the state of the offensive line more than it does the ability of either QB. In other words, Vick has a better chance to live and make something happen behind the sieve.
I've said (with about a billion other people) that the Eagles will do as well as the line allows them to do. So far, the answer is "not very well." I'm having a hard time believing that the Eagles are going to do a whole hell of a lot this year...and a comeback win against the Lions doesn't change that. If that's the case, I think it would be a good thing to get Kolb the reps...then again, that whole no-line thing throws a wrench into that philosophy.
But going with Vick doesn't change what I think the team will accomplish this year, and it sets up soap-opera drama for the offseason. And when they go with Kolb again next year (which I think probably happens), he won't be any further along....but a year older.
Of course, most of this is likely sour grapes due to being forced to root for Vick, who I argued was an overrated douche even before the dog thing. I also had Kolb as a backup on my fantasy team, which is a downer. So, there's that.
the only way you can truly be upset with the vick move is if you thought cobb was going to be a player....and i dont know anyone who thought that...i know there were some who thought he had a chance but very few who even thought he would be good much less great
even if cobb played this year theres at best a 30% chance he ever becomes a good starting nfl qb...other than a couple decent games last year he has looked like complete garbage since he was drafted
i personally would throw cobb out there and let him sink or swim....troy aikman went 1-15 behind a far worse offensive line than what the eagles have now and he ended up winning superbowls...which is why its laughable that people would believe the offensive line is behind this decision...vick is playing because hes better than cobb and/or cobb is not ready yet to be an nfl qb behind any line
I don't think you're entirely wrong...but the o-line thing is absolutely a factor. Vick can get away, survive and make something out of nothing; therefore, he has the better chance. That said, I'd still play Kolb to see what he has; I'm with you there.
The issue is that the Eagles decision makers can't stand the idea of a rebuilding year. Andy Reid won't even acknowledge that such a thing exists. Why throw the young QB to the wolves to sink or swim when you can go 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs? They don't get the big picture. SUper Bowls are all that matters and this decision does nothing to bring the team closer to that end.
i think the eagles just happen to have a running qb and a terrible offensive line
i dont think the running qb is playing because of the terrible offensive line
hes playing because hes better and they want the better player in the game
if vicks qb rating right now was 85 instead of 105 cobb would be behind the same terrible line
as i mentioned last ngiht the line has been brutal since the bengal game and yet cobb started the opener...and thats because they didnt know how good vick would be
But that's only because you don't see shades of gray.
Ha. Exactly.
if sam bradford is the eagles qb he is starting this week....stl line is as bad or worse than the eagles and yet hes been fine
qb's dont get benched because of offensive lines...there are to many examples of young qb's playing thru terrible lines to even cite...qb's get benched because they arent playing well or cant play
also the notion that vick is avoiding tons of sacks is a misnomer...det sacked him six times...yes he can get away from one or two that cobb cant......but cobb is supposed to be able to get the ball out quickly and do it better than vick and if he was doing that he would be playing
this isnt about the line at all...its about vick playing well and cobb sucking...if it was about the line at all cobb wouldnt have started against green bay because the line was a disaster then
That definitely is NOT a misnomer.
The line was a disaster, but they were hoping it was going to gel. It didn't, and then even that was compounded by injuries. Not only is it worse now, there really isn't even the illusion of hope that there was before.
I'm not totally behind the move or anything. I'm just surprised and impressed that Reid isn't stubbornly ignoring the level of Vick's play. I'll figure out if I like the decision later. Or maybe I'll just keep getting caked off by the Eagles not covering spreads.
im steadily against it AND for it
i think cobb needs to sink or swim and i dont even fully believe in vick as a qb but at the same time i absolutely love watching vick and i highly doubt cobb ever becomes a good quarterback so i cant be too mad
vick is by far more fun to watch and that's all i care about.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 22, 2010, 09:32:51 AM
vick is by far more fun to watch and that's all i care about.
I agree with this
i actually would be more excited to see cobbs development or lack of development because it means much more to the team but i will never complain about watching vick...especially when the team sucks...its like we are counting on vick to win...just look good losing
He'd be less exciting to watch if the Eagles had a good O-line. Their zesty O-line makes him that much more dynamic. The stars are aligned.
ha....this is true...like randall in techmo
Like Randall in real life, too.
btw i am reading the other CF and its suprisingly calm on the vick cobb matter...not in the kind of responses but in the number of them....maybe its just that there isnt a lot of traffic on the board but i was hoping for an implosion and its not there
also they refer to vick as convick
i'd like to know their thought on arian foster. i bet their brains are exploding.
what I dont get is why put the stamp on Vick being the starter no matter what for the rest of the season after just 2 games? If he plays like dogshtein for 3-4 games in a row, you dont put Kolb in?
why not just say Vick is playing too well right now, he's the starter for game 3....to at least give Kolb some hope down the road or the confidence when he does get on field barring bad play/injury to vick or something? if this guy goes back onto the field its almost like hes destined to fail.
Quote from: reese125 on September 22, 2010, 10:07:44 AM
why not just say Vick is playing too well right now, he's the starter for game 3....to at least give Kolb some hope down the road or the confidence when he does get on field barring bad play/injury to vick or something? if this guy goes back onto the field its almost like hes destined to fail.
i thought this is exactly what andy said yesterday. indefinitely...meaning if he sucks then kolb is back.
oh i didnt hear him say that. it sounded from all media reports like vick was the starter regardless...my bad if I heard wrong
yeah he didnt say anything either way long term...he said vick was playing to well to sit right now
I wouldn't say Vick is on a short leash (pun!) but it definitely has its limit.
really tho at this point does it much matter what andy says?
Quote from: phattymatty on September 22, 2010, 10:06:16 AM
i'd like to know their thought on arian foster. i bet their brains are exploding.
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Brackett had just 4 tackles yesterday. Considering how much and how effectively Houston ran the ball with Arian "Heil Hitler" Foster, that's a very poor performance.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Pat Angerer would be just as good as Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing if he was a starter. He was good during the preseason and although he never received the hype that those two did this kid can flat out play.
I was watching the highlights of new NFL superhero Arian Foster shred the Colts' sorry, undersized defense. This is the same Foster that ran in the 4.7's prior to the 2009 draft. Toby Gerhert could be doing the same thing or more if they had drafted him.
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My new favorite is the running back on the Houston Texans, Arian Foster. Somehow I doubt he receives too many "Roman salutes."
The NAACP weighs in: McNabb sucks. Vick rules. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/103442614.html)
Reid claimed that the only person he discussed the move with prior to making the decision was Kolb. Everyone else was after the fact. The media seems to be leaning toward believing him. Thoughts?
obviously not...multiple places have said he had a round table with all of banner inc. including lurie before the decision was made
Didn't he say he had earlier sat down with Howie the wunderkind before making the decision?
again too...why the hell would anyone believe a single word that comes out of reids mouth at this point
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM
Reid claimed that the only person he discussed the move with prior to making the decision was Kolb. Everyone else was after the fact. The media seems to be leaning toward believing him. Thoughts?
I believe him
Andy is a disgruntled introvert who eats as a way to deal with stress. Add into it the fact that he thinks he's the smartest guy in a room and there's your decision. I doubt the players/coaches/front office approached him or prodded him one way or another.
he tells the truth, his english just isn't that good.
He's claiming that the meetings he had with Roseman/Banner/Lurie were to TELL them of his decision, not to help him make his decision.
This mornings Daily News cover
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__26/ept_sports_nfl_experts-695946753-1285162747.jpg?ym8r5zDDSFCghzZn)
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0 (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0)
I find this to be a great read...especially for all those who now worship the almighty Vick. :-D :-D :-D :-D
I used to be one of his harshest critics and even when they signed him last year didn't like it or understand it simply because he was a career 53% passer.
My opinion has changed. I like his new attitude and the way he is playing.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0 (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0)
I find this to be a great read...especially for all those who now worship the almighty Vick. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Not sure what that proves about anything, but nice find?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 22, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
My opinion has changed. I like that he is black so if I squint I can pretend he's McNabb.
people definitely dont ever mature as they age...nor do they carry themself differently after a change of scenery
its a known fact that he was given a god like status by arthur blank and took advantage of it by acting super immature and not taking his career seriously
however say what you want about him but he has been over the top professional since hes come to philly...especially during this whole qb thing....and im saying this as someone who thinks he would gillooly cobb to get the job
and who worships vick?...thats as bad as phreak saying people called cobb a savoir and a quaterbacking jesus
Does that mean Kolb has been crucified as Quarterback Jesus?
I'm thinking more and more that this decision was made for three reasons, in this order:
1. No other team in the NFC East looks dominant. The division is winnable, even if the Super Bowl is unlikely. Thus, winning this year becomes more important to the "pyrite standard" FO than if the Cowboys weren't floundering and the Giants didn't lay an egg against the Colts.
2. Vick has looked good and has made plays no other QB in the NFL can make behind a line that is forcing him to make those kinds of plays to win.
3. Kolb hasn't done anything on the field since being named the starter to prove it was the right call, including the preseason.
Maybe 'worship Vick' is too strong, how about 'blow Vick'? I think alot of people confuse the unstoppable Vick on Madden with Vick the real life QB. He just was never that good and still isn't that good. The only good I can see coming from Vick starting is that he plays well enough to earn a huge long-term contract with the taterskins.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
Maybe 'worship Vick' is too strong, how about 'blow Vick'? I think alot of people confuse the unstoppable Vick on Madden with Vick the real life QB. He just was never that good and still isn't that good. The only good I can see coming from Vick starting is that he plays well enough to earn a huge long-term contract with the taterskins.
Per this lady, he is humbled and is practicing harder. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5602894)
Basically, he was relying completely on his talents before. Now, he's practicing harder and watching film and all that shtein. Is it that hard to believe that someone with his natural ability could become an above-average passer by putting in a little work? Is it that hard to believe that a stint in prison can change a man forever?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0 (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19121.0)
I find this to be a great read...especially for all those who now worship the almighty Vick. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Not sure what that proves about anything, but nice find?
i wasn't really talking about the article. It was more the posts after it and the general feeling on the board about Vick.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
Maybe 'worship Vick' is too strong, how about 'blow Vick'? I think alot of people confuse the unstoppable Vick on Madden with Vick the real life QB. He just was never that good and still isn't that good. The only good I can see coming from Vick starting is that he plays well enough to earn a huge long-term contract with the taterskins.
Per this lady, he is humbled and is practicing harder. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5602894)
Basically, he was relying completely on his talents before. Now, he's practicing harder and watching film and all that shtein. Is it that hard to believe that someone with his natural ability could become an above-average passer by putting in a little work? Is it that hard to believe that a stint in prison can change a man forever?
Possibly. Just as possible that he's playing the good soldier for a new contract.
BTW, I know ALOT of ex-cons and 90% of them will never change.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:53:00 PM
i wasn't really talking about the article. It was more the posts after it and the general feeling on the board about Vick.
That's my point. It was 4 years ago. Most of us thought Carlos Ruiz would always be a liability at the plate 4 years ago, if we even knew who he was. I was a sleep-deprived 180 lb new father, and now I'm a grizzled 200 lb heffer. Bush was President, and Hillary was going to be the next one. Real estate was a can't-miss investment, and Brittany Murphy was going to keep churning out zesty romantic comedies. No one knew who the farg Justin Bieber or Jonathan Toews were. Four years is an eternity.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 01:55:31 PM
BTW, I know ALOT of ex-cons and 90% of them will never change.
Would they change if it meant the difference between being bankrupt and making $100 million over the next decade?
Exactly. What will he do once he gets a big $$ contract? You know what I think.
Yeah.....4 years ago the dude was in his 6th year as an NFL QB, and nobody here really thought he was all too great. I would also say that people are forgetting how Vick played in the preseason, he was pretty awful. A game and a half of solid football does not a make a great QB. When the Michael Vick experiment fails by midseason, the Michael Vick hatred will be back again.
BTW, Did you just make a Justin Bieber reference? :-D
In fairness to Vick in the preseason he was playing with the backups and the backup O-line. The backup O-line is essentially the 5 fattest guys on CF who may or may not have played highschool football.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
When the Michael Vick experiment fails by midseason, the Michael Vick hatred will be back again.
i doubt it as i dont see anyone with near the emotional investment in vick that you seem to have
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2010, 02:12:13 PM
In fairness to Vick in the preseason he was playing with the backups and the backup O-line. The backup O-line is essentially the 5 fattest guys on CF who may or may not have played highschool football.
Yeah against backups. Like our starting O-line is that much better. :-D
I'm done ranting on Vick. This decision by Reid has me considering attending another anger management class.
Quote from: joneszilla on September 22, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
BTW, Did you just make a Justin Bieber reference? :-D
Bieber FEVER!
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2010, 02:12:13 PM
The backup O-line is essentially the 5 fattest guys on CF who may or may not have played highschool football.
This reminds me of that Mets video PG posted:
John Ricco wants YOU on the Mets! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkalfhzvVA)
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20100922_Animal_rights_activists_mixed_on_Vick_move.html
Reid realizes this is his only chance of keeping his job. Plain and simple.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 22, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20100922_Animal_rights_activists_mixed_on_Vick_move.html
Who the hell cares about these animal activists? Get over it and go home and make sweet love to your dogs you sick fargs. Why does the media keep asking them of their opinions? Anytime he goes or does anything now we have to ask them what they think?
Rothlisberger rapes chicks and walks. Vick kills dogs and does 2 years. THATS RACIST
Quote from: mussa on September 22, 2010, 02:49:42 PM
Rothlisberger rapes chicks and walks. Vick kills dogs and does 2 years. THATS RACIST
To be fair some of those girls were uglier than the dogs he killed.
Not really. Dogs are worth more than white chicks.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 22, 2010, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 22, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20100922_Animal_rights_activists_mixed_on_Vick_move.html
Who the hell cares about these animal activists? Get over it and go home and make sweet love to your dogs you sick fargs. Why does the media keep asking them of their opinions? Anytime he goes or does anything now we have to ask them what they think?
exactly - who gives a flying farg what peta thinks. farg them
more nauseating passive aggressiveness from the bedwetter...
Quote
"My focus really has been over here," McNabb said before practice at taterskins Park. "Really, everything that's going on over there is really none of my concern. Anything I may say at this point really doesn't matter. They made a decision and that's what they're going with. We just have to focus on what we need to do here to get ourselves to 2-1."
Vick is coming off consecutive strong performances in relief of Kolb, who suffered a concussion in a Week 1 loss to the Green Bay Packers. Reid decided it was best to stick with the three-time Pro Bowler. Ironically, the Eagles traded McNabb - their franchise quarterback for 11 seasons - to the taterskins last spring, in large part because Reid believed Kolb was ready to become a starter.
McNabb said he has not spoken with Vick recently but "we text. But that's about it."
"Well, that's Philadelphia," McNabb said of the furor over who should start. "Things like that happen. I've been a part of that for 11 years. Obviously, as you said, it just doesn't stop."
Last week McNabb passed for 426 yards - his third career 400-yard game - and had a 119.0 passer rating. On Oct. 3, McNabb returns to Philadelphia for the first time since the trade as the Eagles host the taterskins at Lincoln Financial Field. Until then, don't bother him about his former team
"You know what, I'm truly focused on St. Louis," the team the taterskins play Sunday, McNabb said. "At this particular point, I could care less about next week. Obviously, that will change next week. My focus right now is just on St. Louis."
FYI to Sgt PSN: McNabb invented the word "fandom."
All indications are that it was Reid's idea to bring in Vick in the first place. He had to convince Lurie to pull the trigger. But I don't think they ever intended to bring him in to just use the wildcat. They hardly ever used it and now all of a sudden the Eagles decide to become the masters of gadgetry?
I think Andy Reid was simply a Vick guy from the start and wanted him to be his QB of the future from the start. But he was going to stick by Kolb until Vick proved on the field he could revert back to his "superstar form" as Reid stated it. Once he did, he would burn any bridge in the process to get this man on the field. Looking back, you can see the signs in the preseason. He brought Vick in every other play. He obviously wanted this guy on the field dating way back before yesterday and even the season opener. The only problem was Vick didn't prove himself until then.
did anyone have a tougher life than donovan mcnabb?
Britt Reid
Yeah all the stories coming out are that Reid wanted Vick and Roseman was the one that put up a fight first before saying okay farg it.
Wanted him this season or last season
Explain why the answer to that question is not obvious. Then explain why it would matter.
Quote from: King Cole on September 22, 2010, 05:05:06 PM
All indications are that it was Reid's idea to bring in Vick in the first place. He had to convince Lurie to pull the trigger. But I don't think they ever intended to bring him in to just use the wildcat. They hardly ever used it and now all of a sudden the Eagles decide to become the masters of gadgetry?
I think Andy Reid was simply a Vick guy from the start and wanted him to be his QB of the future from the start. But he was going to stick by Kolb until Vick proved on the field he could revert back to his "superstar form" as Reid stated it. Once he did, he would burn any bridge in the process to get this man on the field. Looking back, you can see the signs in the preseason. He brought Vick in every other play. He obviously wanted this guy on the field dating way back before yesterday and even the season opener. The only problem was Vick didn't prove himself until then.
Put down the Kool Aid son. I hope Reid isn't that crazy.
donovan to kolb and vick
"nothing you do in philadelphia will ever be good enough....unless you win a superbowl."
everyone shut up until j has his say
he said that months ago.....is he repeating the stupidity?
i have never wanted the eagles to win a regular season game as bad as i want them to win that taterskin game next week....and if they win because of mcnabb it would shoot into one of my all time favorite sporting events
Quote from: King Cole on September 22, 2010, 05:05:06 PM
All indications are that it was Reid's idea to bring in Vick in the first place. He had to convince Lurie to pull the trigger. But I don't think they ever intended to bring him in to just use the wildcat. They hardly ever used it and now all of a sudden the Eagles decide to become the masters of gadgetry?
I think Andy Reid was simply a Vick guy from the start and wanted him to be his QB of the future from the start. But he was going to stick by Kolb until Vick proved on the field he could revert back to his "superstar form" as Reid stated it. Once he did, he would burn any bridge in the process to get this man on the field. Looking back, you can see the signs in the preseason. He brought Vick in every other play. He obviously wanted this guy on the field dating way back before yesterday and even the season opener. The only problem was Vick didn't prove himself until then.
so in other words he got vick to be the future at QB after using a 2nd round pick on kolb and in the process handed dallas a 1st round d-lineman. cool. sounds the coach had a plan and executed it perfectly. .
As mentioned in the offensive line thread...
QuoteRossTuckerNFL
Two nuggets about Eagles from ESPN's Sal Paolantonio: 1. Kolb's concussion WAS a factor 2. Center M. McGlynn struggling to diagnose blitzes
But now SalPal says the concussion was a factor.
He is the only one reporting these two things and its not the first time he seems to be the only one with something. So either his sources feed him some crap or he's got the golden source. Which is it?
I think the answer is that no one cares.
sal pal is on earth to create controversy within the eagles (not that they need any help these days)...he absolutely despises them and the fanbase...in short hes a liar and shouldnt be believed when it comes to the birds
yeah, he was the first one to say cleveland called and like 10 other reporters disputed that
His ESPN report yesterday was a joke, he is literally just there to stir up crap
Quote from: SunMo on September 23, 2010, 09:43:38 AM
yeah, he was the first one to say cleveland called and like 10 other reporters disputed that
you cant fault the speculation that cleveland would call though, and I still believe they did their due diligence and did call
no doubt heckert should of been the first one dialing the phone when he heard the news
I cant wait until reid is reunited with holmgren and heckert as the head coach of the cleveland browns. the fate of this qb experiment/season might spark it sooner than later
Wasn't Gargano chirping about Cleveland calling too?
Speaking of which, how is The Cuz handling this? Wasn't he deep into the Kolb lovin'?
hes being pretty leveled headed about it
he doesnt agree with the move but he understands it
however he 100% disagrees with how andy went about it and thinks hes been dishonest
what hes most pissed off about tho is andys indignant and condescending "read my lips" statement
It amazes me that media personalities still act so offended that Andy Reid wasn't telling them the truth. Like this is new, or unique to Reid.
How could anyone still get mad at Reids flippant attitude? It's been 12 years of him believing he's the smartest guy in the room and deflecting all criticism to him. It's one of those thing now, I think, where you shrug it off and say "it's Andy being Andy".
you dont ever get used to someone being an ahole
it still infuritaes me and im not int he room with him...if he spoke to me like that i would have a hard time not punching him in his forehead
the fact that he was so condescending to say "I know I'm not using good english, but Kevin Kolb is our quarterback."
And then goes on to change that in one farging day...it's an alltime assface move.
It really wasn't good English, then.
fwiw r diddy is on wip saying that he believes andy fully intended to go with kolb...then returned to philly and had the roundtable with banner inc. where it was one way or another decided to go with vick
but, but , but andy says differently.
it was pretty funny/sad when he was asked if on film he sees anything good on the offensive line....and his answer was that all he could find was that nik cole "sometimes" does some "good things" in the running game
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
fwiw r diddy is on wip saying that he believes andy fully intended to go with kolb...then returned to philly and had the roundtable with banner inc. where it was one way or another decided to go with vick
I don't buy it. I lean towards him either simply changing his mind or him wanting Vick and Howie and company wanting Kolb.
Help me understand the furor over him changing his mind though; so what if he said Kolb was the QB and then flipped to Vick?
no one cares that he changed his mind its the way he dressed down and was a complete cock to everyone who even dared to ask him who the starter would be....in this case im not personally pissed at him because i think his hand was forced...but i can see how people who believe this was all his doing would be pissed
and i couldnt disagree more about him wanting kolb...as r diddy said the one thing you can never question about andy is his loyalty and his loyalty was to cobb in this situation...also he wouldnt have been so forceful in insisting cobb was the his starter if he truly wasnt his guy....everything changed after he got back to philly and sat down with banner inc.
no question he intended to go with Kolb until Lurie called/walked into the room
you dont make an emphatic statement like that than flip that quick if you werent pulled in another direction from the heads above you.
Yep - the real significance of the past few days is that it marks the beginning of the end of reid. Not next week or even next month, but soon and it will come as shock and surprise. There will be fake man love all around at the pc about all the great years and well wishes and that it was mutual. They'll mumble about Andy wanting to take time to focus on family.
Yet the backstory is now the "smart guys" upstairs want to call the shots and will run him out of town. They'll secretly applaud the media and the townfolks wielding torches and pitchforks to continue twisting the knife. (Which they're doing gleefully.) They'll then install a staff coach as interim until a new coach can be introduced that will be the result of their carefully considered "brilliance". (But it won't be who the team needs, it'll be another "smart-guy-gem-in-the-rough" coach pick. Andy will not spend a day with his family and will be employed right away.
Like cobb, andy in now the one on the short leash and the FO is on the clock. Uncertainty of next year adds to the timing being right when the wheels come off later this fall. Only thing stopping it is a deep playoff run and both camps know it. Watch as much as you can this fall - it's now an accelerated translational period and the ride will be if nothing very entertaining.
Shut up. All of you.
Quote from: reese125 on September 23, 2010, 12:20:29 PM
no question he intended to go with Kolb until Lurie called/walked into the room
you dont make an emphatic statement like that than flip that quick if you werent pulled in another direction from the heads above you.
Unless its the other way around and Lurie, Banner, and Howie waned Kolb to play out the season and Reid wants to play Vick and win now. Could be since apparently Reid didn't want to trade McNabb to begin with.
meet the next coach of your philadelphia eagles
(http://media.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/photo/rosemanjpg-80fdd5d001c245ba_small.jpg)
:-D....who are his coordinators going to be?
MDS and FastFreddie
heres the offensive coordinator measuring the trajectory of a fade pass
(http://gregdooley.com/images/2006/Q1/nerds/erkel.gif)
and the coordinator on the other side of the ball on the phone with joe throwin around ideas on how to trim the defense budget
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7GF2kkMcTKc/Si11BgVW4iI/AAAAAAAAbto/X6zYkDrRV7Q/s400/tv+alex.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
fwiw r diddy is on wip saying that he believes andy fully intended to go with kolb...then returned to philly and had the roundtable with banner inc. where it was one way or another decided to go with vick
I don't doubt that at all. And honestly, I really don't understand why everyone is killing Reid for changing his mind. Does anyone here really think that Reid doesn't want to start Kolb. There's only 1 thing Reid wants more than to play Kolb and for him to be successful and that's to keep Kolb alive.....which won't happen if he plays behind that farging boy band fronting as an o-line. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Reid looked at the tape and realized that Kolb will get slaughtered back there and opted to go with Vick. They've got a lot more invested in Kolb than Vick and they aren't going to risk serious injury to Kolb in what everyone already knows is a lost season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2010, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
fwiw r diddy is on wip saying that he believes andy fully intended to go with kolb...then returned to philly and had the roundtable with banner inc. where it was one way or another decided to go with vick
I don't buy it. I lean towards him either simply changing his mind or him wanting Vick and Howie and company wanting Kolb.
Help me understand the furor over him changing his mind though; so what if he said Kolb was the QB and then flipped to Vick?
I agree. It's plausible that Reid, who can't think on his feet and didn't have media timeouts to burn, probably just said Kolb was the guy as a thoughtless don't-create-a-controversy reflex. Mush brain needs a long time to think things through, who knows if Howie influenced the decision.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2010, 10:23:04 AM
Speaking of which, how is The Cuz handling this? Wasn't he deep into the Kolb lovin'?
Oh yeah. He loves him some Kolb. The cuz was not happy when all this went down. He ripped on Andy, and you could tell he wanted to say more but was toning it down for the radio.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 23, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
fwiw r diddy is on wip saying that he believes andy fully intended to go with kolb...then returned to philly and had the roundtable with banner inc. where it was one way or another decided to go with vick
I don't doubt that at all. And honestly, I really don't understand why everyone is killing Reid for changing his mind. Does anyone here really think that Reid doesn't want to start Kolb. There's only 1 thing Reid wants more than to play Kolb and for him to be successful and that's to keep Kolb alive.....which won't happen if he plays behind that farging boy band fronting as an o-line. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Reid looked at the tape and realized that Kolb will get slaughtered back there and opted to go with Vick. They've got a lot more invested in Kolb than Vick and they aren't going to risk serious injury to Kolb in what everyone already knows is a lost season.
as I stated before, I dont believe this for a second because the hype around kevin kolb was about his quick release, accuracy and grasp of the offense after 3 years...not to mention the only way you get "playing" experience is to actually play the game no matter the circumstance
what does reid think Kolb should be in the pocket chilling out talking to his mom on his cell phone before he throws the ball? welcome to the nfl kevin kolb. you're going to have pressure from all angles, you're going to be throwing on the run, and you have to learn on the fly. not to mention does reid think they are going to have an all-pro o-line next year that will suit him anyway? cmon....what better way than to learn than to sit on the bench once again
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 23, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2010, 12:40:08 PM
MDS and FastFreddie
OUT
now now hold on a second
if i use the new orleans saints playbook from madden 2005 for ps2 i think we could be ok
i was runnin shtein with that
You can be Belicheck and be the head coach and both coordinators all in one.
I know I'm late to the party (can't post from work) but I have to say:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :-D
I hope someone put a suicide watch on Kolb, I know I'd need one if I was him. Also, I give 50/50 Reid is gone after this season, if not earlier depending on how things go.
No way Reid goes mid season unless it's his choice to do so.....which he would never do. And I don't think there is anything that could happen this year that would cause Lurie to drop the ax on Reid either. It would pretty much have to be about 3 or 4 years of no playoff, non competetive football. More importantly, revenue has to dry up a bit before Lurie will make a change.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 23, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
No way Reid goes mid season unless it's his choice to do so.....
What if he has a heart attack while trying to throw a challenge flag? Does that count? And would they get charged with a time out for the lost challenge AND an injury TO? Would be the perfect legacy.
QuoteThe Michael Vick conundrum
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It would have been quite a bit easier had Michael Vick returned from prison and remained a mediocre backup. If he'd spent a couple of years wearing a headset as an aging helmet-slapper -- you know, like his brother-in-bankruptcy, Mark Brunell -- before being released, nobody would really have to confront their feelings about the guy. When it was over, when the experiment ran its course, the Eagles could have publicly said they were glad to have him while privately saying they were glad to be rid of the animal-rights protests and the rap sheet.
But now what? What do we do about Vick now?
Because he's good. He's really good. Some people are already tossing around letters like MVP, which is crazy at this point, but there's no denying the man's talent and on-field charisma. Andy Reid might have botched the process he used to name Vick his starting quarterback, but he picked the right guy. And no matter how good Kevin Kolb might be (someday), there should be no quarterback controversy in Philadelphia. Vick is the man.
It appears he can do just about anything he wants out there. (I know, wait 'til he faces a good pass defense, which won't happen this Sunday against the taterskins or next Sunday against the 49ers, either.) He's standing in the pocket, buying time with his legs and keeping his eyes downfield unless there's a compelling reason against it. In other words, he's displaying all of those pocket QB talents a lot of NFL people thought he'd never have the discipline to learn.
So that's the easy part. The human side of it is much more difficult. Discussing Vick's remarkable ability to work his way back into the national discussion -- as a football player, not as a totem for Everything That's Wrong With Everything -- after 18 months in Leavenworth is unlike anything I can remember in the last 30 years.
Is this a heartwarming comeback story? No, not even close. But you watch: It's about to become one.
It's a great sports story, and a story of a great athlete whose gifts are both resilient and singular. But everybody always wants more than that. It has to transcend sports. It has to be about heartbreak and redemption. There has to be a moment of clarity for Vick, when he saw the error of his ways and redoubled his efforts to regain everything he lost. And if there are visions of suffering dogs running through his mind as he pushes himself to run that extra set of sprints, all the better.
We do black and white. Gray has a tendency to elude our grasp.
It's already starting. The post-Sunday dissections included a healthy scoop of false Americana. You know the routine: "We're the land of second chances" and "We're a forgiving nation." Aside from being laughably wrong -- we do intolerance and rigidity when it fits our purpose -- it doesn't pertain to Vick in the slightest. He's not playing that game, and he doesn't seem interested in watching you play it, either.
During the Raiders-Cardinals telecast Sunday, one of the announcers described Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski by saying, "He just looks like someone you want to root for." Aside from Gradkowski looking like a mediocre backup, I'm not quite sure what that means. Apparently, the "you" the announcer was citing is someone who appreciates the nuances of quarterbacks who are easy to root for but hard to watch as they struggle to see past the line of scrimmage. It was Raiders-Cardinals, so it wasn't the first string, but still.
The point is, no announcer would ever think of saying that about Vick. (And no, this isn't about race, because Donovan McNabb looks more like someone I want to root for than Gradkowski. He's sure as hell easier to watch play the game.) Vick, by contrast, is nobody's role model. He committed some truly repellent crimes, and his apologies have been more perfunctory than vein-opening. There's a wariness about him that suggests a man who understands just how much of himself he can afford to parcel out to the public.
He seems to know, maybe better than we do, that America is a great land for second chances only as long as you perform. We're a country that values winners over the redeemed. The redemption we're seeking is often just the excuse to feel good about rooting for someone whose past is thoroughly distasteful.
Vick doesn't want to be your feel-good story. He just wants to be the bad-ass who happens to be the most riveting performer in the NFL. Let's keep it that way, shall we?
Nice read.
QuoteTuesday, September 28, 2010
Vick's Ascension Magnifies Racial Divide
I was talking to an ex-NFL player last week, guy I hadn't seen in a while, and eventually we got around to Michael Vick. The ex-player is African-American, from the rural South. His take was that Vick's prison term for dogfighting was way too harsh, and that people should let that go, as Vick remakes himself as the quarterback of the Eagles. The ex-player recalled seeing Sunday afternoon dogfights in a park where he grew up, witnessed (and presumably wagered upon) by the local police.
This was not an isolated occurrence. I think if you surveyed the largely African-American Eagles locker room, that guy's take would be the perspective of a huge percentage of the players.
Race is such a tricky, hot-button thing, so many of us just try to pretend it isn't a part of the issues we deal with, even when it obviously is.The Eagles' locker room shocked much of the (white) fan base by voting Vick the Ed Block Courage Award last year. Hmmm. What do you think that was about?
Another conversation last week, with a (white) agent. He was talking about going to a Super Bowl party many years ago, when Vick was near the start of his career. The party was largely African-American, and the agent remembered being surprised at how Vick's presence resonated with other famous players and guests -- "it was like Michael Jordan had walked in," the agent said.
One of the reasons Roger Goodell was so interested in Vick's rehabilitation was Vick's standing in the African-American community. Predogfight scandal, by 2007 much of white America might have seen Vick as a sideshow, a quarterback who never took his craft seriously enough to win anything. Black America saw an artist, an elegant, unstoppable performer. (They now see him as an elegant, unstoppable performer who has been persecuted by white people.)
This was much like the split that surrounded Allen Iverson in his prime. (A guy from the exact same background, a few neighborhoods over.)
So, here we are, with Vick starting for the Eagles, and playing well. All over the Internet, people (mostly African-American) argue that he has paid his dues and should be embraced. Other people (mostly not African-American) argue that torturing and killing dogs over a period of years isn't something you just shrug off because a guy went to prison for a while and is now playing real well.
I don't see any easy answers, an unqualified yes to one and no to the other. Obviously, I didn't grow up black in the rural South. I grew up white in the suburban South. I think I understand a little of the "cultural" argument. I never saw a dogfight, but in my family, dogs were not cuddly little foo-foo things; they lived outdoors, didn't come in the house. One neighbor had a kennel of hunting dogs, and gave us one who couldn't hunt.
Still, I found myself wanting to ask the ex-player last week, "So, after these dogfights in the park, did you watch the dogs being hanged and electrocuted? Did you think, 'Gee, that looks like fun, I'd like to kill some of those dogs myself!' Over and over and over again?"
Vick has been nothing but decent and courteous to me. I can't reconcile what he has done with the guy I talk to in the Eagles' locker room. I'm really hoping to get a better handle on that as we move forward. And as a sports reporter, I can't let my discomfort with what he did make me discount what he does on the field; if I let that happen, I am not doing my job.
But I'll admit, I find the idea of Vick "sticking it to" his critics by playing well a really perverse, obnoxious notion. He can throw for 100 touchdowns this year, and he still did what he did, and it was still really, really, really wrong.
The only hope for something good coming out of Vick's ascension that I can see is that maybe Vick will gain a greater platform to somehow explain himself, that he can give us a better notion than he has so far of how these things can possibly happen, and demonstrate through his words and deeds he is really a different person now.
But I think it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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To read our earlier post about Donovan McNabb's radio show, click here.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2010, 08:27:13 PM
Nice read.
It is a nice read but at the same time, I can't help but look at the last line of the article and wonder how does he know what Vick wants? Did he interview Vick and ask him? I assume he didn't because he didn't quote Vick at all in that article.
And since this is the Vick thread, I'm just going to say that its kind of ridiculous how hateful people in this country are. There are still thousands upon thousands of people everyday saying that Vick should never be allowed to play football again, blah blah blah. When the dog fighting thing happened I said he should go to jail. He did. When he got out, I said that if the commish decided to let him play again, then he should play (although I did say that he should have spent 1 year out of football before reinstatement, but that's neither here nor there at this point.)
Point is, he did a crime and paid a price that a judge deemed appropriate. The commissioner decided to let him back in the league. What's the farging problem here? Should ex-cons never be given the opportunity for success when released from prison? No one's condoning what he did, but at the same time he does appear to be doing everything he can to turn his life around and I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would have a problem with that.
A very good read. I don't think it's a race thing per se but it at least helps me understand both sides.
I am on the black side here. Holla at yo brutha.
lets just say if jared allen gets caught dogfighting he doesnt do a second in prison and the uproar is miniscule compared to thug lifer vick
If Jared Allen is caught dogfighting, he will be caught on his knees growling at dogs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
lets just say if jared allen gets caught dogfighting he doesnt do a second in prison and the uproar is miniscule compared to thug lifer vick
What about Dany Heatley and Donte Stallworth? Both KILLED PEOPLE, did no hard time, and it's already forgotten. Are they just not big enough stars for it to matter?
dont forget leonard little
but yes basically. vick was one of the top 10 biggest athletes in the us at the time
To a lot of dog lovers, he should basically be treated like he killed a person. To people who don't really care about the welfare of animals, it was a harsh sentence. There's a racial angle, but a lot of the animosity comes from the way people feel about their dogs.
I'm somewhere in the middle and 18 months sounds about right to me. You gotta be a scumbag to run an operation like that, but there are a lot of scumbags in the NFL doing things to human beings that I think are worse than killing dogs, and most of them aren't getting 18 months.
It may have more to do with the fact that Vick was an unapologetic ahole at the time.
This is the main reason they went harder on Vick:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549
QuoteThe disgraced NFL star received a harsher sentence than the others in the federal conspiracy case because of "less than truthful" statements about killing pit bulls.
Vick said he accepted responsibility for his actions, but U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson said he wasn't so sure.
"I'm not convinced you've fully accepted responsibility," Hudson told Vick, who arrived in court wearing the black-and-white striped prison uniform he was issued when he voluntarily surrendered Nov. 19 to begin serving his sentence early.
His sentence probably would have been 6 months or so if he had just come clean in the beginning.
In all honesty I love dogs, have had them my whole life. I raised 3 pitbulls when I lived in SD, but I could really give a rats ass about any of this. He's entertaining and the Eagles are winning.
people who care as much or more about dogs than humans should be the ones in jail
much less care more about dogs than other animals...far more atrocities take place on a daily basis against farm animals than dogs
plus it wasnt 'your' dog who got killed...people dont give two fargs about kids being murdered every day...yet they care about some dogs being killed...that shtein makes me infinitely more angry than what vick did
ray lewis killed two guys
hes not as black as vick though
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
people who care as much or more about dogs than humans should be the ones in jail
much less care more about dogs than other animals...far more atrocities take place on a daily basis against farm animals than dogs
plus it wasnt 'your' dog who got killed...people dont give two fargs about kids being murdered every day...yet they care about some dogs being killed...that shtein makes me infinitely more angry than what vick did
While this is true, the fact is Vick is a polarizing figure and brought to light a topic that most people never considered or just ignored. I agree with Sarge's previous point dude paid his debt.
Yes other black players killed people, raped girls, and probably did worse but none of those instances included dogs. Dogs are awesome. Dogs > Humans
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
plus it wasnt 'your' dog who got killed...people dont give two fargs about kids being murdered every day...yet they care about some dogs being killed...that shtein makes me infinitely more angry than what vick did
That's just plain silly, that people care about dogs but don't care in the least that kids are being murdered every day.
I doubt I've ever met one such human being or ever will.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 28, 2010, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
plus it wasnt 'your' dog who got killed...people dont give two fargs about kids being murdered every day...yet they care about some dogs being killed...that shtein makes me infinitely more angry than what vick did
That's just plain silly, that people care about dogs but don't care in the least that kids are being murdered every day.
I doubt I've ever met one such human being or ever will.
You must not have ever encountered Peta freaks.
what makes people better than dogs?
It's IGY logic and there's no arguing with it ever.
are people better than dogs because we're people? how convenient.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 29, 2010, 06:22:30 AM
are people better than dogs because we're people?
that just about sums it up
i like dogs but if i never saw one again i wouldnt miss them....however if i couldnt interact with people whether they be friends family or some MA sittin next to me at a bar i dont know what id do
The issue is that murderers and rapists of humans are getting an easier shake from many than Vick, who served his time.
It's not about humans having to be better than dogs. How about a level playing field?
it shouldnt even be even
animals are not on a human level no matter what some hippie might say
should animals be treated badly because they are below humans....of course not
but lets cut the ridiculousness of even pretending a little bit that animals should be looked at on the same level as humans...or even close
I need IGY to stop saying things that I agree with immediately.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 29, 2010, 08:51:43 AM
I need IGY to stop saying things that I agree with immediately.
Just imagine that he's not.
Put down that knife.
I love eating animals.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2010, 07:46:01 AM
it shouldnt even be even
animals are not on a human level no matter what some hippie might say
should animals be treated badly because they are below humans....of course not
but lets cut the ridiculousness of even pretending a little bit that animals should be looked at on the same level as humans...or even close
Exactly right
Know what Kolb and Vick both have in common? They both kill animals for sport. Yeah I know a Deer is a forest rat and I agree they need to be hunted to keep their numbers under control, but an animal life is an animal life. What makes a Dogs life more valuable than a Deer life? I realize the Deer wasn't fighting another deer or being electrocuted, but I'm sure getting shot isn't the most pleasant experience either.
I agree it shouldn't be even. But my point is that EVEN IF IT WERE, Vick deserves to be treated no worse than the murderers and rapists. Instead, he's villainized even more than them, which just doesn't make any damn sense.
Personally I think there's a pretty big difference between torturing, electrocuting and drowning dogs to death and deer hunting. I doubt the average dog-fighting-ring-owner feeds his family dog meat and I don't know any hunters who are interested in electrocuting or drowning a deer to death. It's a far more humane practice, and in many ways is a far more humane practice than the meat-factory-farms that we all get our super-market meat from.
The gambling ring angle played into it, too.
Essentially, he's another athlete who is a train wreck and did stupid, needlessly cruel things. This doesn't put him into a unique group. I don't get any real pleasure out of rooting for him to do well, but since he's QB on the team I root for, I hope he does well. I also believe that while he's miles better than he was earlier in his career, he's still overrated. I also think he'll have an awful game at the absolute worst time. No idea why...just a feeling.
the hippie mentality in this country by too many is why it's happening. but igy's right and i have went at it with many about this and how some people put dogs so far up. yes they are a domesticated species but they are animals.
sure what he did was pretty low down but my main beef with vick has always been his lack luster play from the past but he has, regardless of what you call the competition, played very well, particularly in the passing aspect of his game. the guy is hitting receivers in stride more than not to this point and it's not crazy to think with his apparent dedication that he can keep getting better.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 29, 2010, 10:05:37 AM
I also think he'll have an awful game at the absolute worst time. No idea why...just a feeling.
Well, this is definitely going to happen. Maybe this weekend, but probably not until later in the season. The next two teams they play have 1 combined win, so the Vick bandwagon could be quite full after week 5.
Also, we're Eagles fans, so we should always be expecting the other shoe to drop. Most of us weren't alive the last time this team won a championship, and we've seen better teams and better players choke on it season after season.
of course the longer he goes being great the more i beliueve but im still expecting a huge egg at anytime
on paper i think the skins are a bad match up for him in that they have really athletic linebackers and ends that can destroy the eagles line and possibly contain vick more than most
that said the skins defense is a mess right now not so much cause they dont have talent but because everyone is having trouble knowing their roles in the new 3-4...and its hard to make a lot of plays when you are thinking about what you have to do
when the skins defense gets the system down they will be tough...theres just no way to know if its going to happen this week
The Skins secondary is a mess and Hall is an idiot. I see a big day from Jackson and a decent passing day from Vick. It's not like he's beating teams with his legs.
Fun with Vick quotes! I searched :CF for posts I made with "Vick" in it. After taking out the ones on Marcus Vick and Lawrence Vickers, I found some real gems.
Double-banger: Praise for Bayless with a knock on Vick!
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 06, 2005, 08:24:30 PM
Vick needs to learn to throw (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050906)
Sure, it's blatantly obvious, what we always say about Vick, and ultimately aimed at some effort to help him understand what he needs to do to beat Skip's most hated player in T.O.....
but it's still a good read, especially for Bayless.
Herpes jokes never get old, right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 08, 2008, 02:57:22 PM
Without the transcript of their correspondence, I cannot make the decision as to who is the bigger liar liar pants on fire.
But we do know Vick's pants are on fire in general, thanks to the Herpes.
Herpes AND MJ? DOUBLE HIT.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 21, 2007, 04:28:27 PM
Ron Mexico loves herpes, and Mike Vick loves weed.
Oh snap.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 26, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
This goes beyond the normal realm of stupidity. This isn't like Allen Iverson trying to "keep it real" or like Pacman Jones staying true to his "thug life" roots... Vick seriously is repeatedly messing up his life further and further with every decision he makes.
It's highly moronic self-destructive behavior... kind of like the way he plays quarterback.
I honestly don't even remember who "Bullet" is.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2005, 02:29:04 PM
You won't have to wait long. MNF, season opener.
Which Eagles defender would you most like to see end Vick's career? Dawk? Hollis? "Bullet"?
The NFC South section of a scintillating season preview.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 02, 2006, 07:14:39 AM
NFC South
1. Panthers- The hype is real. This team can unfortunately play.
2. Bucs- Quietly made the playoffs last year. Simms is playing for a contract. Defense still has some solid pieces.
3. Saints- Brees is better than we give him credit for. Reggie Bush will make some big plays, but Deuce is still rock solid. Defense is sketchy but will pull together.
4. Falcons- Vick is overrated and will finally prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt now that he's my starter in the CFFFL AFC.
keith adams
Ah ha. Thanks.
Micahel Vick - Named Offensive NFC Player Of The Month
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/09/30/jim-mora-doesnt-like-doug-gottliebs-line-of-questioning-is-this-your-first-interview/
Jim Mora being Jim Mora
That went well.
He's a bitch. The sideline histrionics in the NFCCG proved it.
wait are you talking about mcnabb
No. You covering Northern Mexico's district play.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101001
Well done. And major points earned for the mention of that scene in "Shawshank"
Agreed. Mandatory reading for all who violently refuse to root for him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2010, 04:07:14 PM
He's a bitch. The sideline histrionics in the NFCCG proved it.
the time mora was seen telling deangelo hall "you shut him the farg down" after TO put up about 130yrds on him was another gem.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 01, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101001
Well done. And major points earned for the mention of that scene in "Shawshank"
I cant believe he referenced the fact that Vick had no supporting cast to throw to back then. Simmons needs to stop making sense and writing such good material every chance he gets
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 30, 2010, 01:22:34 PM
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/09/30/jim-mora-doesnt-like-doug-gottliebs-line-of-questioning-is-this-your-first-interview/
Jim Mora being Jim Mora
Gottlieb is a little annoying prick but Mora is equally as big a prick.
Can't wait to see if he comes back and talks to Herd. Mora is a regular guest.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 01, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101001
Well done. And major points earned for the mention of that scene in "Shawshank"
Very good article, which is the usual for Simmons. This line especially stood out....
QuoteBut hey, that's America in the 21st century for you: Extremists tend to favor being extreme over exercising common sense.
If this doesn't sum up this country, then I don't know what does.........be it politics, sports, religion, animal rights, etc, etc.
They've shown clips of the Vick interview with Mora that will be on NFLN tomorrow morning and it looks pretty damn good.
did vick admit to being more interested in getting Hoyda and bad newz kennelz than football?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 01, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101001
Well done. And major points earned for the mention of that scene in "Shawshank"
Thats the best commentry I've read on Vick. Especially the part about people being hypocrites.
This interview with Mora on NFLN is amazing.
I respect him a lot for doing it and coming clean and being brutally honest. Having Mora do the interview gave it a whole different dynamic because of their history.
I hope if you guys missed it they post it on-line. Must watch.
QuoteVick calls prison "the best thing that ever happened to me"
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 3, 2010 11:18 AM ET
As Michael Vick talked to his former Falcons coach Jim Mora about falling from NFL stardom to prison, Mora asked, "What could I have done?"
"There was nothing you could do, Jim," Vick told Mora in an interview on NFL Network. "The best thing for me, that ever happened to me up to this point, as crazy as it may sound, was me being shipped off to [the federal prison in Leavenworth] Kansas. Because other than that, I wasn't going to change. I wasn't going to get all the people away from me that was leeches and wanted to be around. I wasn't going to stop fighting dogs."
Vick said that he wouldn't change his life because, "I was thinking, hey, man, I'm Mike Vick, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen to me?"
Vick told Mora he wouldn't have listened to his coach telling him to change the focus of his life because he wasn't listening to anyone. Vick says he now thinks his federal prison sentence was God's work.
"My mom tried to tell me," Vick said. "In one ear and out the other. There was nothing nobody could have done to change my situation but the man upstairs, who said, 'Listen, before this goes any further, I'm going to take all this away from you for a while.'"
Mora asked how Vick misled his coaches and the whole Falcons organization about his off-field activities.
"My whole life was a lie, Jim -- everything, A to Z," Vick said, adding that he went to his dog-fighting facility in Virginia, "Every week -- every week. . . . I just told you, my whole life was a lie, Jim."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 03, 2010, 11:22:41 AMI hope if you guys missed it they post it on-line. Must watch.
here (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b02b19/article/humbled-vick-taking-his-second-chance-and-running-with-it?module=HP_headlines2col)
So, Vick basically says that he barely worked out and never studied film in his time on the Falcons. The fact that he could even play as well as he did then without preparation is ridiculous. And if he's pulling it all together now, we're lucky to be Eagles fans.
That interview was awesome. The last minute was amazing.
Here's pat 2 of the video if it wasn't linked before:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/09000d5d81b01474/Vick-talks-about-changing-his-life
DGunn reporting that he's heard he may have three busted ribs and could be out 6 weeks.
That should make for an interesting scenario.
Yes, an interesting 0-5 scenario
MRI tomorrow
Garcia still available?
Yep.
He's playing for the UFL's Omaha Nighthawks.
Well, there's that other shoe.
xrays negative
Florio droppin the Jeff Garcia name and is interested in coming back
XRays negative, so WTF hurt so bad? Rib cartridge tear maybe? shoulder tear?
Dr. Pimp told reporters he spoke to Vick and he seemed ok was just sore
And the reporters I'm reading say he is having an MRI tomorrow and could not get his dress shirt on by himself
It's amazing the variation we've heard already:
Schefter: hairline collarbone fracture
DGunn: 3 broken ribs
Glazer: nothing on x-rays
Sounds like no one knows shtein right now.
LOL Schefter. That is not even close. They weren't even looking at his collarbone.
He has an owies but no broken bonicles. MRI will reveal some sort of soft tissue injury, ending Vick's career.
I heard he had to have his leg amputated.
I heard he killed some dogs.
Eskin's reporting he died. By electrocution.
Apparently Cataldi got a group together to boo at the execution.
They must have been really amped up about it.
:-D
he was charged with intentional grounding
At least someone was. That call should have been made on McNabb today. Cooley was nowhere near it.
That was a shocking turn of events.
It electrified the crowd.
Watt are you guys talking about? I don't get it.
Try to keep up with current events.
QuoteReid: if Vick is as sore Wednesday as he is today, Kolb will run first offense in practice.
He's "day to day or week to week"
I know...
How about this? Vick not ready until week after this. Kolb heroically leads team to victory in San Fran, invokes the memory of Koy by doing a slaptastic taunt at the 49ers sideline, then breaks his coccyx and has to wear a massive ass bandage for a month. Vick goes down again in week 6, and after one half of Mike Kafka, Reid elects to use McCoy and Pimp in a full-time wildcat offense. 3-13.
Quote from: Munson on October 03, 2010, 08:13:14 PM
XRays negative, so WTF hurt so bad? Rib cartridge tear maybe? shoulder tear?
FTW
Pfft...way to go out on a limb with that guess that had a 90-percent chance of being right.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 04, 2010, 12:17:21 PM
How about this? Vick not ready until week after this. Kolb heroically leads team to victory in San Fran, invokes the memory of Koy by doing a slaptastic taunt at the 49ers sideline, then breaks his coccyx and has to wear a massive ass bandage for a month. Vick goes down again in week 6, and after one half of Mike Kafka, Reid elects to use McCoy and Pimp in a full-time wildcat offense. 3-13.
This obviously has the highest probability of happening.
*I almost want that to happen...can't get any worse.
Quote from: Zanshin on October 04, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
Pfft...way to go out on a limb with that guess that had a 90-percent chance of being right.
You're a 90% chance!
Quote
QB Michael Vick says on a radio show that he will miss 1-2 weeks of action.
can't perform?
\
drown him
I feel like drowning myself when I watch Kolb try to play QB
follow your heart bro
My heart says I want a beer and a cheesesteak right now.
Huh. Your heart is telling everyone else that you want to drown yourself.
Not good at listening, are you?
No. Or maybe I have ADD
slow it down. one simple message:
die.
That's what his heart is telling him with the beer and cheesesteak. Duh.
QuoteVick admits to "small fracture" in his ribs
Posted by Mike Florio on October 4, 2010 11:36 PM ET
X-rays were negative, but an MRI apparently found something that previously wasn't disclosed on Monday.
In an appearance on Bruce Smith's radio show on WXTG radio, Vick admitted that he has a fracture in his rib cage.
"There is some cartilage damage up in there and a small fracture up in there, so maybe a week, maybe two weeks," Vick said of his potential absence. "We'll have to see. I've got some cartilage damage up in there, in the upper area of my ribs. I just have to work through it. I've always been a quick healer. It won't be no more than one, two weeks hopefully. Hopefully."
The primary treatment? Nothing.
"The most important thing is just rest," Vick said. "There is really nothing you can do for a rib injury, especially in the upper part of your rib cage. I'll get rest, I've got a Hyperbaric machine and I'll be spending a lot of time in that trying to restore my blood cells. I'll stay in the treatment room, getting ice for it and just trying to get movement."
Vick is expected to miss Sunday night's game against the 49ers. The following week, the Eagles host Vick's former team, the Falcon
How about when you get back out on the field you stop taking ridiculous hits.
We are most definitely going to see Mike Kafka this season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 05, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
We are most definitely going to see Mike Kafka Jeff Garcia this season.
We already saw, if I'm not mistaken, Duce Staley on the sidelines...so...Jeff Garthia wouldn't be out of the question.
Only if he gains about 60 pounds.
Nah, he always looked like he had teh aids
Vick said he had his full range of motion in throwing today and to not count him out for Sunday.
he also said he don't need no practice.
I'm sure that Vick is trying to show some confidence and he really wants to get out on the field vs Atlanta, but at the same time, a comment like that really makes you wonder just how "rededicated" he is to the game. All the articles and interviews over the last month talking about how he takes the game seriously now and how seriously he takes the responsibility of being the quarterback and leader, blah blah blah but comments like that don't exactly support his claim.
lol, read into stuff much?
"I don't need practice."
There isn't much to read into there as it's not a vague statement. But, I'm going to stick with him just really wanting to be on the field this week and chalk that one up another another stupid thing to come out of another stupid athlete's mouth. Hopefully that's all it is.
he's saying he can play without having to practice this week, and you're really using that to question his dedication? wow.
No, I'm saying anyone could use that to question his dedication. What part of "I'm going to stick with him just really wanting to be on the field this week " don't you understand?
probably the part where you said "a comment like that really makes you wonder just how "rededicated" he is to the game"
Practice? we talking about practice?
it's just a smoke screen to throw the falcons off.
damn this team is crafty.
Quote from: SunMo on October 14, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
probably the part where you said "a comment like that really makes you wonder just how "rededicated" he is to the game"
Ha! Yeah, I guess I left out the "could" part. Proof reeding iz gud.
bff's?
buttfargersforever?
Friends, stupid. Butt farging friends.
for fargs sake, just go play some tonsil tennis and get it over with you two.
I come here for all the best football analysis.
SalPal says he was late to the stadium today.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 17, 2010, 12:13:53 PM
SalPal says he was late to the stadium today.
He's the injured 3rd QB. Who gives a shtein?
QuoteJeff_McLane
Still no sign of Michael Vick as the #Eagles take the field for practice. Team security doing a lot of scrambling on the sidelines.
who had 2 weeks on top of the world before it all comes crashing down in their mike vick momentary comeback pool?
i had 1.5...do i win?
QuoteJeff_McLane
Vick is here, according to team spokesman. Was told to arrive at this time.
Well, thank farging God that mystery has been solved. Jay, I think a job awaits you at the Brownsville Herald!
lol
Siragusa just said that Reid will keep Vick inside all game long unless he needs him.
Inside what? His buldge?
Too risky in there. Jackson might try another chest bump, and Vick just can't risk the hit right now.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 17, 2010, 12:49:55 PM
Too risky in there. Jackson might try another chest bump, and neither of them just can't risk the hit right now.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 17, 2010, 12:29:30 PM
Well, thank farging God that mystery has been solved. Jay, I think a job awaits you at the Brownsville Herald!
I think there is something to the arrival time. I heard on the pre game show also how he was told to arrive late. They made it a point to mention that. He probably arrived late and they are using the "Reid told him to come" late excuse.
It is clearly the best excuse ever, because there are hundreds of legitimate reasons for him to be told to show up late.
You people seriously are hilarious. Worst. Fans. Ever.
He's off the wagon, and they're covering for him. Admit it FF, he was off drowning puppies!
I heard he was using an alias to pick up female pit bulls and give them herpes.
That wasn't mike vick. "Todd Orodenker" is not an alias, either, it's the guys real name.
Jesus Christ, can you cockgobblers go 5 posts without referencing eachother?
Mike Vick?
Quote from: General_Failure on October 17, 2010, 05:56:28 PM
He's off the wagon, and they're covering for him. Admit it FF, he was off drowning puppies!
:-D
I don't care if Vick was late or not. It is time to trade him regardless.
Amen. They've done absolutely everything they can to raise his value. Trade him immediately.
Preferrably to a divisional opponent. Vick sucks
I don't care where he goes. Just get him gone. Thanks for the quality play this year, Mike. Way to turn your life around. Now get the team a draft pick and be on your way.
lol...listen to yourselves
mike kafka cannot be a teams #2 qb....especially not a first place in the conference team
the team is 4-2 with a declining NFC. you dont trade your best qb mid-season. dont take this falcons game either as giving kolb the keys to the city. when this o-line breaks down again---and it will--you'll be wishing vick was in there
not to mention, you know how hard it is for a qb to come in mid-season on a another team and try to gel with new receivers. anyone that trades for vick for a high pick , mid-season is going to want him to start right away not sit the bench. is there a potential playoff contending team out there right now that needs vicks services now aside from the friggin cardinals?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
lol...listen to yourselves
mike kafka cannot be a teams #2 qb....especially not a first place in the conference team
I have no illusions about this season so I don't particularly see it as a big deal if Kafka is the backup. This offensive line isn't winning a superbowl or even a playoff game.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 18, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
I have no illusions about this season so I don't particularly see it as a big deal if Kafka is the backup. This offensive line isn't winning a superbowl or even a playoff game.
Responses to this will let us know who's been suckered in by this team yet again.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 18, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
lol...listen to yourselves
mike kafka cannot be a teams #2 qb....especially not a first place in the conference team
I have no illusions about this season so I don't particularly see it as a big deal if Kafka is the backup. This offensive line isn't winning a superbowl or even a playoff game.
not thinking they are going to win the superbowl might cause you to want to play cobb instead vick have kurt coleman as your third safety or get trevard lindley on the field more
having mike kafka be one sack away from being your starting quarterback would be inexcusable (and having _____ be two plays away from being your starter)....and thats true if they were 0-6 much less first place in the conference
it would be worthy of criminal prosecution with the fanbase as the plantiff
i mean just think of the criticism the organization would get if they traded vick and cobb got hurt again and they were 5-2 and had to go to mike kafka to lead them...it ludicrous even thinking about it
Quote from: rjs246 on October 18, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
lol...listen to yourselves
mike kafka cannot be a teams #2 qb....especially not a first place in the conference team
I have no illusions about this season so I don't particularly see it as a big deal if Kafka is the backup. This offensive line isn't winning a superbowl or even a playoff game.
Right? How surreal is it to see IGY type about this team being a 'best in conference' team? WTF?
It's fairly amazing to me that this team is 4-2 with all the injuries and assorted Reid shenanigans they've endured.
it doesnt mean they literally are the best team in the conference or that they are even going to make the playoffs...but it means something as it relates to the argument that vick should be traded
it means mike kafka is not ready to play in this league....so for the team with the current best record in the conference to do that would be ridiculous
If you don't think Andy has Jeff Garcia's number on speed-dial, you're crazy, dude.
trading vick and replacing him with a 50 year old man off the streets who couldnt play two years ago might be the only thing that would look worse than mike kafka being your starter
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
it doesnt mean they literally are the best team in the conference or that they are even going to make the playoffs...but it means something as it relates to the argument that vick should be traded
it means mike kafka is not ready to play in this league....so for the team with the current best record in the conference to do that would be ridiculous
It's ridiculous that Andy will probably keep Vick and trot him out there every third play to run the wildcat but that is most likely what will happen if they keep Vick. How many teams plan for their QB to be hurt and keep a legitimate backup. Not many. NE has Hoyer, Indy has Painter, Saints have Daniel, GB has Flynn...and on and on. Vick is a distraction IMO and unless they plan to sign him long-term, why not trade him???
Quote from: Rome on October 18, 2010, 11:16:55 AM
If you don't think Andy has Jeff Garcia's number on speed-dial, you're crazy, dude.
I do it find it funny that every time any eagles qb gets hurt, garcia's rep puts out a statement about him being contacted or notalmost immediately. Anyway I think his UFL contract prohibits him from joining any NFL team.
if cobb is the real deal having to watch him carve up the league for the next 10 years would leave a far more bitter tatse than watching mike vick run around the field for the next couple years if he happens to be for real
if anyone gets moved most of my money is on vick...dont forget there may not be a season next year...would you rather lose a season off mike vicks career or kevin cobbs...vicks window is much smaller
most likely scenario is that they try and overpay vick to stay on as the back up with false promises of a training camp battle next year...if they cant talk him into that then he jets march 1st...if there is a march 1st
The Eagles are not trading either of these QB's mid-season, so it's pointless to debate it. Which means that you guys will do so for another 37 pages.
Quote from: joneszilla on October 18, 2010, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
it doesnt mean they literally are the best team in the conference or that they are even going to make the playoffs...but it means something as it relates to the argument that vick should be traded
it means mike kafka is not ready to play in this league....so for the team with the current best record in the conference to do that would be ridiculous
It's ridiculous that Andy will probably keep Vick and trot him out there every third play to run the wildcat but that is most likely what will happen if they keep Vick. How many teams plan for their QB to be hurt and keep a legitimate backup. Not many. NE has Hoyer, Indy has Painter, Saints have Daniel, GB has Flynn...and on and on. Vick is a distraction IMO and unless they plan to sign him long-term, why not trade him???
apples and oranges....those guys are low ceiling quarterbacks groomed to be nfl back ups basically mike kafkas...eagles fell into a former pro bowler athletic freak who they are trying to transform into a stud nfl quarterback
the locker room loves him...cobb loves him...andy loves him...and he was the early season mvp of the league who saved the eagles season...definite distraction
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 11:26:58 AM
The Eagles are not trading either of these QB's mid-season, so it's pointless to debate it. Which means that you guys will do so for another 37 pages.
thats my whole point...its ludicrous to even bring it up
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 18, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Rome on October 18, 2010, 11:16:55 AM
If you don't think Andy has Jeff Garcia's number on speed-dial, you're crazy, dude.
I do it find it funny that every time any eagles qb gets hurt, garcia's rep puts out a statement about him being contacted or notalmost immediately. Anyway I think his UFL contract prohibits him from joining any NFL team.
not true
the eagles would have to do a buy-out agreement of $150,000 then hes good
But... but... he was late!
I don't know who is worse.... the Kolb Haters or the Vick haters... genocide for both.
thats my whole point...its ludicrous to even bring it up
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: joneszilla on October 18, 2010, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
it doesnt mean they literally are the best team in the conference or that they are even going to make the playoffs...but it means something as it relates to the argument that vick should be traded
it means mike kafka is not ready to play in this league....so for the team with the current best record in the conference to do that would be ridiculous
It's ridiculous that Andy will probably keep Vick and trot him out there every third play to run the wildcat but that is most likely what will happen if they keep Vick. How many teams plan for their QB to be hurt and keep a legitimate backup. Not many. NE has Hoyer, Indy has Painter, Saints have Daniel, GB has Flynn...and on and on. Vick is a distraction IMO and unless they plan to sign him long-term, why not trade him???
apples and oranges....those guys are low ceiling quarterbacks groomed to be nfl back ups basically mike kafkas...eagles fell into a former pro bowler athletic freak who they are trying to transform into a stud nfl quarterback
the locker room loves him...cobb loves him...andy loves him...and he was the early season mvp of the league who saved the eagles season...definite distraction
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 11:26:58 AM
The Eagles are not trading either of these QB's mid-season, so it's pointless to debate it. Which means that you guys will do so for another 37 pages.
thats my whole point...its ludicrous to even bring it up
Almost as ludicrous as 65% of your posts or that Peter King thinks Vick was the MVP of the league after decent games against Detroit and Jax, but the only reason Vick wouldn't get traded is that nobody is buying. They wouldn't get anything higher than a 3rd round pick for him (if that). But I can hope that he goes so I don't have to see the QB's take turns behind center with each QB getting a special package each game(you know Andy will do it). I want Andy to pick a guy and run with it. Do you really think Vick will be content as a backup on this team now??
Quote from: joneszilla on October 18, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
Almost as ludicrous as 65% of your posts or that Peter King thinks Vick was the MVP of the league after decent games against Detroit and Jax, but the only reason Vick wouldn't get traded is that nobody is buying. They wouldn't get anything higher than a 3rd round pick for him (if that). But I can hope that he goes so I don't have to see the QB's take turns behind center with each QB getting a special package each game(you know Andy will do it). I want Andy to pick a guy and run with it. Do you really think Vick will be content as a backup on this team now??
Neither player should be "content" to be the backup at this point, but that doesn't mean that the Eagles should just take a lowball offer for an excellent quarterback mid-season... especially when there might not even be a 2011 season. This team may still be a longshot to win a Super Bowl, but it has sure benefited from having two solid QB's on the roster through 6 games. Why would you now roll the dice by trading one away?
But as I've said before, if Reid is going to try some sort of combo shtein to give both QB's some snaps, that is basically the worst case scenario.
Quote from: Hawk on October 18, 2010, 11:46:38 AM
But... but... he was late!
I don't know who is worse.... the Kolb Haters or the Vick haters... genocide for both.
thats my whole point...its ludicrous to even bring it up
The Vick being late thing was only brought up by Jay Glazer and the implication was that he arrived late but its ok cause Reid told him he could. Didn't make sense but he didn't say any more.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 12:03:31 PM
Why would you now roll the dice by trading one away?
because he murdered dogs
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 12:03:31 PM
Why would you now roll the dice by trading one away?
because he murdered dogs
That post falls under the 65%.
i would roll the dice. My reasons are 1) I don't want my starting QB afraid to pull the trigger or make a mistake b/c the coach has him on a short leash 2) Possibly having the locker room divided b/c some guys are in camp Vick or camp Kolb etc.. 3) My biggest problem is that Andy can't work this 2 QB thing when they are both healthy, he will tinker with it and split plays etc. It will be maddening and ineffective. So IMO, one guy needs to go, i happen to think it should be Vick.
#3 is the only reason that carrys any validity at all...and even that may be proven wrong...now that vick has shown he has his game legs back and has played great football particularly in throwing it perhaps the wildcat is now more effective...but maybe it wont be either...thats still not a reason to go with mike kafka as your back up qb
#1 i was in total agreement with before the season started but that theory has been blown out of the water by cobb and vicks relationship and the way each of them has acted....its no longer an issue...cobb is not the bedwetter
#2 has also long ago been proven untrue
seems to me you are grasping far and wide for reasons not to have vick on the team....and the more you try and validate that thinking the more its clear that you hate the man personally...which is your perogative but you shouldnt be analyzing the team because you let it cloud your judgement to the point that you are not looking out for the eagles best interests
Quote from: joneszilla on October 18, 2010, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 12:03:31 PM
Why would you now roll the dice by trading one away?
because he murdered dogs
That post falls under the 65%.
i would roll the dice. My reasons are 1) I don't want my starting QB afraid to pull the trigger or make a mistake b/c the coach has him on a short leash 2) Possibly having the locker room divided b/c some guys are in camp Vick or camp Kolb etc.. 3) My biggest problem is that Andy can't work this 2 QB thing when they are both healthy, he will tinker with it and split plays etc. It will be maddening and ineffective. So IMO, one guy needs to go, i happen to think it should be Vick.
1) Kolb looked afraid against Green Bay because of the game plan to have Vick coming in and out of the game. He looked tentative against Washington after not getting any reps with the first team for a month. However, no issues the last two weeks. And if either guy plays worse because the backup is good player, then he deserves to get benched. Big players aren't afraid of competition, but Reid can still farg it up (we'll get to that in #3).
2) Bullshtein reason. Neither QB is pulling a McNabb/Owens and making the locker room decide anything. Bitches worry about the locker room.
3) Following up from #1, this is the one way to screw it all up. If Reid starts Kolb but feels he has to get Vick on the field, it's kaboom time. Anyway, this is why I think Reid will go back to Vick after the bye - because he can't quit him.
Still, it's ridiculous to argue that a contending team should go out of their way to trade a QB mid-season for anything but a complete windfall. Like a 1st and a really good player. Thus... not happening.
Reel it in people.
Trade Vick now to the highest bidder.
so the eagles shouldnt take cleveland's 2nd and sheldon brown ?
And (hopefully) Chris Gocong
of course and then make him the new kicker.
The natural move is to put him at FB
My contention is Vick is not an excellent QB. Sooner or later he'll revert back to his Hotlanta form...may as well trade him now while his value is high.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
trading vick and replacing him with a 50 year old man off the streets who couldnt play two years ago might be the only thing that would look worse than mike kafka being your starter
no, you misunderstand me. i'm not saying he's in any way preferable. i'm just sayng that if the trade went down and then kolb got hurt garcia would be the guy they'd call.
Trade him now and sign Garcia as a back up!! Strike while his value is high!!
Vick says he's 100% healthy and ready to play any role asked of him this week. DRAMA
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 22, 2010, 02:40:41 PM
ready to play any role asked of him this week
left tackle?
fg kicker?
SAM backer?
dog watcher?
While you definitely scored on the "being aggressive in the box" bit earlier, that is no excuse to reinvent yourself as a comedian.
Defensive Tackle/End who can drop into coverage
Point of order: Isn't that the same thing as a SAM LB?
Put Vick in the secondary, he could be the Eagles Ed Reed.
Quote"I really don't know how to slide, but I'll make sure I get down," Vick said.
This would seem to be a skill that would be wise for Mike to learn.
QuoteRumors begin to swirl on potential Vick suitors
Posted by Mike Florio on November 7, 2010 10:02 AM ET
As Eagles quarterback Mike Vick prepares to return to action more than a month after having his rib cage crunched between two members of the Washington taterskins defense, rumors already have begun to circulate regarding Vick's potential destination in 2011, if he doesn't sign a long-term deal with the Eagles.
Early talk focuses on the team whose players busted up his ribs -- the taterskins.
It nearly as unthinkable that the Eagles would let Vick get to the taterskins as it was for the Eagles to send Donovan McNabb there. But that doesn't change the fact that the rumor mill is churning with talk of the 'Skins wanting Vick, who'll be an unrestricted free agent in 2011. Given that, last year at this time, the rumor mill was on full boil regarding Mike Shanahan being the next coach of the taterskins, it's worth keeping an eye on the situation, since the taterskins apparently can't contain themselves once they know what they want.
Then again, it could be that the taterskins are putting the word out there as part of the broader "kick McNabb's butt into gear" campaign, which began last Sunday by benching him in the final minutes of a winnable game against the Lions and continued with a stream of excuses that somehow were uttered with a straight face. What better way to get McNabb's attention than to create the impression that they prefer the guy who helped chase McNabb out of Philly?
But if the taterskins truly are interested in Vick, they need to consider the impact Eagles coach Andy Reid has on making a quarterback look better than he really is. For proof of that, the taterskins need only to consider the former Eagles quarterback already in their locker room.
Are the Eagles a taterskins farm team or what?
That analogy only adds up if the former Eagles added to the taterskins roster play well.
At this point, the taterskins appear to be the pasture into which the Eagles retire their spent players.
I can't imagine the Eagles letting Vick go without Franchising him. Assuming that is something that will still be available in the new CBA.
Assuming there is a new CBA and a season next year :boom
Should have traded him, this is a big ole hot mess!
what is a hot mess?
NFC offensive player of the week
well deserved too (considering the competition)
Really? He played well but I don't think his stats were "award" worthy. Guess it was a subpar week for offensive players in the NFC.
Over 300 yards passing and rushing, 2 TD's, no turnovers. Who had a better day in the NFC? Eli? Shut up.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2010, 06:04:39 PMGuess it was a subpar week for offensive players in the NFC.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2010, 06:06:37 PM
Over 300 yards passing and rushing, 2 TD's, no turnovers. Who had a better day in the NFC? Eli? Shut up.
Did he top 300 total? Didn't realize that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2010, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2010, 06:06:37 PM
Over 300 yards passing and rushing, 2 TD's, no turnovers. Who had a better day in the NFC? Eli? Shut up.
Did he top 300 total? Didn't realize that.
Sorry. It might be 290+. You are an awful human being regardless.
Noted
I insult both your mothers. And farg them.
Duly noted.
Kick rocks, Kev... (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c0ed2f/article/report-eagles-hope-to-keep-vick-next-season-and-beyond)
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles would like to retain resurgent quarterback Michael Vick for "next season and beyond," but have not engaged in contract talks, according to the The Philadelphia Inquirer, citing sources close to the situation.
Team officials plan to meet during the next few weeks to discuss Vick's future and a potential contract extension. Vick is in the second season of a two-year deal he signed with the Eagles before the 2009 campaign, after serving 18 months in prison for his role in a dogfighting ring.
The Eagles, with a history of using November to re-sign players with expiring contracts, know that Vick could be a hot commodity on the free-agent market after a string of sensational performances this season.
Vick has stated that his loyalty to the Eagles would bear weight in free agency, if it reached that point. "I think so," he told The Inquirer. "When nobody else wanted me, they did. I definitely have to take that into consideration when it's time to make a decision on something."
With Vick leading the way, the Eagles (5-3) are in position to make a run in a conference that lacks a dominant team. Philadelphia, which plays the Washington taterskins (4-4) on Monday night, is 3-0 in the games Vick has started and finished.
Vick nearly led the Eagles to a comeback win against the Green Bay Packers after replacing an injured Kevin Kolb in the opener. Vick was injured in the first quarter of a loss to the taterskins in Week 4, but he returned in Week 9 to guide the Eagles to a 26-24 victory over Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday.
The layoff didn't affect Vick's performance or his approach. Vick threw for 218 yards and one touchdown, and he ran for 74 yards and another score against the Colts. He absorbed several hits in the pocket and several more when he scrambled 10 times.
Vick has thrown for 1,017 yards, seven touchdowns and no interceptions, and his passer rating of 105.3 is the highest of his career. He's also run for 261 yards and two scores.
i hope they trade kolb to the taterskins
No. McNabb sucks, so the division was safe. Kolb does not suck but is not incredible, so conference is ok but division is not.
When Eli Manning won a superbowl everyone should have learned that any mongoloid can win as long as he isn't a massive choke artist.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 12, 2010, 05:48:42 PM
When Trent Dilfer won a superbowl everyone should have learned that any mongoloid can win as long as he isn't a massive choke artist.
dilfer won with arguably the best defense in history. Totally different. Dummy.
Brad Johnson?
Possibly the 2nd best D.
And the Giants D was playing really good when they won with Eli too.
Even Peyton couldn't win one until the Colts D got hot one year.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 12, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
dilfer won with arguably the best defense in history. Totally different. Dummy.
oh I'm sorry, I thought the game was "lousy SB winning QBs"
Quote from: rjs246 on November 12, 2010, 05:48:42 PM
When Eli Manning won a superbowl everyone should have learned that any mongoloid can win as long as he isn't a massive choke artist.
I love calling my youngest son a mongoloid.
Manning, Dilfer, and Johnson were all fortunate enough to play on teams with unbelievable defenses. The Giants D was mediocre the year they won it, but once they got into the playoffs they were on par with the Ravens and Bucs Superbowl D's. Their pass rush is what won them the Superbowl.
Jim McMahon?
Doesn't count. He doesn't remember it anymore.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
btw i am reading the other CF and its suprisingly calm on the vick cobb matter...not in the kind of responses but in the number of them....maybe its just that there isnt a lot of traffic on the board but i was hoping for an implosion and its not there
also they refer to vick as convick
What's the other CF?
racist football website.
bizarro :CF
Quote from: lurking wierdo on November 12, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
btw i am reading the other CF and its suprisingly calm on the vick cobb matter...not in the kind of responses but in the number of them....maybe its just that there isnt a lot of traffic on the board but i was hoping for an implosion and its not there
also they refer to vick as convick
What's the other CF?
It's a website IGY secretly runs where he reminisces about the days of Matt McCoy.
Listening to Sirius this afternoon...
Ryan and PK had Kevin Harlan on; he is calling the game for Westwood One tonight. He said that he was told by an Eagles insider and beat writer that Vick is the Eagles QB of the future without a doubt.
Good. He's better. Although I have a sinking feeling Kolb will win some Super Bowls elsewhere.
he may or may not be the future but its completely laughable to believe for a second that anyone in banner inc told a random basketball play by play announcer what their plans are
If the Skins locked up McNabb after a lackluster start to the season, then the Eagles need to lock up Vick pronto.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 15, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
Good. He's better. Although I have a sinking feeling Kolb will win some Super Bowls elsewhere.
I think Kolb will pretty good too. I was all for Kolb starting on opening day but Vick is just otherworldly right now. You have a chance to have Vick, Pimp, Maclin and Shady together for about 4 good years....you don't pass on that.
I dont want the Eagles ever to follow Daniel Snyder and the Skins protocol...but I agree completely they need to scoop up Vick with the quickness.
His arm, quickness, accuracy is sick right now, and every scrub team in need of a qb with throw the bank at him.
Quote from: reese125 on November 15, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
every scrub team in need of a qb with throw the bank at him.
Exactly. This is why they need to show him some love on the train ride home tonight.
and maybe even a get a commitment to sign a contract.
330 yds and 5 TDs
In one half
Go Kolb!
first QB with 3 passing and 2 rushing TDs in one half
first QB to ever have 300+ passing, 50+ rushing, 4 passing TDs and 2 rushing TDs in one game
Rotoworld
QuoteMichael Vick suggested Thursday that re-signing with the Eagles will be his top priority for 2011.
"When nobody else wanted me they did," said Vick, "and I'll defintely have to take that into consideration when it's time to make a decision." Vick has proven to be not only better than Kevin Kolb but also one of the best quarterbacks in the league this season. It's easy to envision him re-upping with the Eagles. Pending the new CBA, the Eagles will also have the option of using the franchise tag.
Source: Jeff McLane on Twitter
Gotta give him all the credit in the world for doing what he is doing. He really put all the effort into becoming the player that his talents allow him to be. It makes me wonder what Iverson could have become if he ever worked on his jumper.
Or killed a few dogs.
this thread is gold, especially in the beginning.
Quote from: Rome on November 16, 2010, 03:09:42 AM
this thread is gold, especially in the beginning.
lol
Dio for the mother farging win.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 14, 2009, 06:34:49 PM
No internet access in the ditches yet, so I'm late to the party. Some thoughts, because you care:
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2009, 07:51:49 AMThe dude was convicted of a crime, went to prison, lost all of his sources of income and is now flat broke. On top of that he has absolutely no marketable skills outside of football and organized dog fighting. The criminal justice system is in place for a reason. That reason was satisfied here. The dude should now be allowed to work at the only legitimate career he's capable of having.
You really think that simply because he was subjected to punishment according to the law, he should be afforded every opportunity to resume the dream lifestyle of being a pampered wealthy jockstar? Because he's too stupid and unskilled to get work elsewhere, he should be welcomed back into the fold over and above other athletes who somehow manage not to operate gambling rackets or go on dog killing sprees?
It would be unfair to send him back to prison again, he's done his time. That does not however make him clean again. Having sat for 18 months according to the rules doesn't undo the fact that he ran an illegal gambling operation based on killing animals, killed animals himself, lied about all of it, etc. You don't get to just wipe that out because you were subjected to punishment. You don't get to just return to your million dollar lifestyle after something like that. Where else in the world do you get to just walk back in after something like that? Teachers don't get to step back into their schools after a drunk driving DUI. Cops don't get their pensions back after getting caught laundering money from a stolen car racket. Etc.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 08:00:53 AMit has very little to do with dogs....theres a huge racial element here...michael vick to the black community is the huey newton of black quarterbacks and they will go to the grave with him and to the white community hes way to black and represents all the savages in the ghettos of our cities who are ruining the country
if this involved a safe black guy like mcnabb or donte stallworth or a light skinned brother like hank baskett or robert smith the outrage would be far less
the split on wip is crystal clear and basically universal
all the brothers are like man paid his dues deserves a second chance and all the white callers are beside themselves
I'm bored sick of your small minded race theories. No doubt race plays some role on a macro scale, as can be said about everything in America, but this kind of tripe is over-simplification at it's worst, and textbook vigy bullshtein. Charcoal black or lily white, this is about a guy who acted like a scumbag first and foremost. He was a jerk (http://bigfoamfinger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/6211558_7_2.jpg) on the field, and as we all know, he was human scum off the field. McNabb is "safe" because--as far as we know--he's a decent citizen.
Had Vick not been such an arrogant farg at first, the revelation of and reaction to his sick criminal exploits would not have been as severe. But he is an icehole, so there you go. Had his crimes not taken place over the course of a long stretch of time, but instead as a momentary break in otherwise good behavior (a la Stallworth), the reaction would not have been as severe. But they were a drawn out premeditated pattern of action.
This isn't whity hating on the street stillupfront's mom, it's decent people revolted by an anti-social miscreant.
Also, oh holier-and-blacker-than-thou white boy: stop the ludicrous conceit that you somehow know what "all the brothers" think or how "the black community" views anything. That's some goddamn incorrect thinking. All the brothers have different opinions, just like any other group of people. How you can claim that kind of shtein without calling yourself out as a racist is incredible.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2009, 11:17:34 AMWho better to help him than the two coaches who were unable to help their own sons?
ha, well said
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2009, 11:21:40 AMyeah thats the problem...your corny overanalyzation of this makes you sound like a mesh cutoff shirt wearing man purse toting pixie
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif) (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1445)
Quote from: King Cole on August 14, 2009, 03:38:50 PMand they have the audacity to act like they are pure individuals? They want to prevent a man who's paid severely for his actions from ever gaining any semblance of a life back.
He can have a life back. If he announced that he's going to start an internship at SPCA and pursue a career down that line, he can have that and my support. If he wants to go back to school, he can have that and I wish him the best. He can go work at farging McDonalds, I'd still say please when I place my order. What he can't and shouldn't do is strut back into his rock star NFL lifestyle wearing a mask of contrition under the tutelage of fraudulent mentors and worst of all, wearing a goddamn Philadelphia Eagles jersey.
Though I think at this point we can all get over the whole "walking back into the NFL lifestyle" thing.
He's going to get 6 years, $100m, with $50+ guaranteed.
He looks great, fantastic. It's overwelhming how good he's playing. He's doing things no other qb in the history of the game has ever done. Still, it was the taterskins, and the Eagles will struggle to keep a good offense down in the low 20's. But, with the way the offense is playing behind Vick, this team has a chanced to win against anyone.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 16, 2010, 06:47:02 AM
He's going to get 6 years, $100m, with $50+ guaranteed.
On top of that, movie producers should be calling any minute now ready to re-inact his comeback life to the screen. Right behind them, Nike execs are calling to apologize and just bought first class tickets to Philadelphia.
Who else am I forgetting that will make him more guaranteed money? Though Im fabricating those statements, this really is a remarkable story.
i dont know why everyone is in a rush to sign vick....why would you go to him about a new deal the day after possibly the best game ever by a qb
but in a general sense there is no rush to do it...if the eagles are serious about it they will get it done whether its next week or in february...and if vick is serious about hitting the open market hes going to do it regardless of when the eagles sit down and talk deal with him
I really think Mike Vick and Pootie Tang were separated at birth.
There's no rush, and I do agree that signing him this week would not be wise. But is there any doubt he's the guy at this point? Could the Eagles actually franchise/trade him and keep Kolb? That's what scares me.
What is Kolb worth on the trade market?
I think he's worth (roughly) what Mcnabb was worth. He's not proven but he's shown enough to show he has what it takes...plus he's 26.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 16, 2010, 08:31:04 AM
There's no rush, and I do agree that signing him this week would not be wise. But is there any doubt he's the guy at this point? Could the Eagles actually franchise/trade him and keep Kolb? That's what scares me.
why would that scare you...id love to have both of them again next year when ideally with some tweaking elsewhere on the roster you will be a legit superbowl favorite....id hate for that to be the case and then have vick go down and mike kafka or someone like bruce gradkowski be your back up
really with the entire 2011 season up in the air and no one having any idea how a new cba would even work if they do agree to a deal its not worth going thru all the possibilities at this time
What really impresses me about the way Vick is playing, is the way his peers/predecessors are raving about his play. Really the standard media types are meaningless when it comes to evaluation of players. But when you hear guys like Steve Young, Boomer Esiason, Tim Hasselback, Warren Sapp, Charles White etc, etc just gushing about not just last night but his whole season, you have to really be convinced he is the top guy in the league.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on November 16, 2010, 08:35:13 AM
What is Kolb worth on the trade market?
If Charlie Whitehirst is getting picked up for 3rd rd picks (?), I can only imagine what Kolb could get traded for. Besides that, coaches and gm'a around the league realize even more now that Andy Reid produces some pretty capable starting qb's that it might be worth giving up a very high pick.
The Eagles should capitalize in a big way here, but I'm all for the franchise tag on Vick and keeping Kolb as the best back up in the league. There is a very good chance Vick gets hurt this year or next because you can see he hasn't learned and is still diving head first.
John Clayton's on Mike and Mike right now. He said the Skins didn't immediately sign Mcnabb because they were going to go after Vick after the season, but then they heard back from the Eagles saying they're going to re-sign him, so they made the deal.
This just gets better and better
Clayton's also saying Kolb's worth a 1st and a 3rd.
to the Browns
Clayton made a good point, he said now that Mcnabb's off the market there are no F/A QBs out there and there are a bunch of teams that need a QB, so the Eagles are in a good position. If they re-sign Vick and get a 1st for Kolb I'll be beside myself.
All those "insiders" (Clayton, Glazer, Schefter, et. al.) are frauds. They make up stories that can't be verified. They are always from "a source". I wouldn't put much stock in anything they say.
hes not a fraud because he says there are no good qb's on the market thats just fact...
but yeah 99.9% of the time those idiots are giving "inside info" they are full of shtein
like he clearly made up the thing about the skins siging mcnabb because they heard they wouldnt get vick
clayton was also the front man in the media ripping the eagles for trading mcnabb in the first place
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2010, 09:37:38 AM
he clearly made up the thing about the skins siging mcnabb because they heard they wouldnt get vick
Agreed. Like the Eagles would really give them a "heads up" on that?
By the way, how are teams feeling right now that Vick could have been had before this season for maybe a 3rd rounder? Whoops.
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Quote from: SD on November 16, 2010, 08:38:05 AMI think he's worth (roughly) what Mcnabb was worth. He's not proven but he's shown enough to show he has what it takes...plus he's 26.
Is this a joke I don't get? Do you really not know that Vick was born in 1980?
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2010, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: SD on November 16, 2010, 08:38:05 AMI think he's worth (roughly) what Mcnabb was worth. He's not proven but he's shown enough to show he has what it takes...plus he's 26.
Is this a joke I don't get? Do you really not know that Vick was born in 1980?
He was talking about Kolb. :=)
Oh. Thanks.
Outside of the actual performance on the field, I was impressed with Vick pulling Calvin aside after the fumble. Not a big fan of subjective assertions, but I think it showed pretty strong leadership there.
This is all a wonderful wet dream. I hope it never ends
That opening TD was thrown by Vick at the 4yard line and DeSean caught it on the run at the taterskins 34 = 70 yard throw :cfhead
Quote from: mussa on November 16, 2010, 01:39:11 PM
That opening TD was thrown by Vick at the 4yard line and DeSean caught it on the run at the taterskins 34 = 70 yard throw :cfhead
fuzzy math
it was more like 62 yards
How bad did Laundry get bitchslapped on that play?? He was punked and bitchslapped on the same play. When Vick threw the ball, stinkin' laundry had coverage, but while the ball was in the air Pimp ran by him like he was standing still. Pimp has great speed, we all know what his 40 time is, but I'll tell you I think he's even faster on the field during a game. Some guys have that little extra they can call on, reach down and get, and that little extra ends up being a whole hell of a lot to the opposing defense. The Pimp is friggen' awesome man, and with Vick on the same team, and the connection they obviously have, it's gold. Vick knows he can cut loose with the ball and Pimp is gonna' be the only guy on the field that can go get his bombs.
It's a beautiful thing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2010, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: mussa on November 16, 2010, 01:39:11 PM
That opening TD was thrown by Vick at the 4yard line and DeSean caught it on the run at the taterskins 34 = 70 yard throw :cfhead
fuzzy math
it was more like 62 yards
How dare you take away 8 yards from the Gawd
62...70....same thing according to that estimation crap they teach in schools now
i dont know maybe it was 70??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu8XNJmQsCI
http://www.youtube.com/v/oBnfUpQB4Lo
His back foot was on the 3 yard line, DeSean caught it around 34-33 yard line. 70-72 yards IN THE AIR :bow
50-34=16
50-4=46
16+46=62
Math is neat.
I'm on point, what can I say!
I heard a guy on NFL radio this morning try to say that Vick's performance wasn't that impressive. :-D He said Garrard's against the Cowboys was just as good. The host told him he made himself look small trying to downplay Vick's performance and hung up on him.
Ross Tucker shut him up real quick.
How does the words David Gerrard even come out of your mouth when comparing the two? Idiot.
QuoteEagles quarterback Mike Vick has been named the NFC's offensive player of the week, a day after Monday night's six-touchdown performance against the taterskins.
He's the first quarterback to win the award in consecutive weeks since Randall Cunningham in 1998, during the Vikings' 15-1 season.
Vick also was the NFC's offensive player of the month for September.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
How bad did Laundry get bitchslapped on that play?? He was punked and bitchslapped on the same play. When Vick threw the ball, stinkin' laundry had coverage, but while the ball was in the air Pimp ran by him like he was standing still. Pimp has great speed, we all know what his 40 time is, but I'll tell you I think he's even faster on the field during a game. Some guys have that little extra they can call on, reach down and get, and that little extra ends up being a whole hell of a lot to the opposing defense. The Pimp is friggen' awesome man, and with Vick on the same team, and the connection they obviously have, it's gold. Vick knows he can cut loose with the ball and Pimp is gonna' be the only guy on the field that can go get his bombs.
It's a beautiful thing.
Don't forget Maclin
Between Pimp (3rd year), Vick, McCoy (2nd year), and Maclin (2nd year) is there anybody that runs over a 4.4 40? And aren't WRs supposed to take a few years to develop or is that a thing of the past?
It used to be that wr's took a while to develop but there have been a few exceptions, and now teams just don't wait too long and get rid of guys if they can't produce. No one has the time to wait anymore. Pimp took the league by storm, and Maclin might have taken a year but even in his first year you could see he was an exceptional player. After all these years bitching that Reid couldn't pick wr's, those two guys have made it worth the wait.
WR's taking years to develop was a neat way the FO convinced us that Freddie Mitchell and Todd Pinkston had greatness within.
Shorebird,
Thanks for the Vick montage. I may only watch that 7000 times today.
QuoteHe's pretty amazing as an athlete. I was watching the pregame and Steve Young said, 'He's the greatest weapon at quarterback that there could ever be.' I totally agree with that. With the way he can move the football and his style of play, and when he throws the ball like he did last night, he's damn near impossible to stop.
--Tom Brady
Tom Brady sucks.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 07, 2010, 05:59:46 PM
Should have traded him, this is a big ole hot mess!
I am totally wrong, btw farg u IGY with your racist slur. Vick is/has developed into a stud qb. watching him last night, i'm sold resigning him. My appologies to Vick.
I remember when most of the fanbase wanted him cut because of the nightclub incident....
HAHA
To be fair, most people wanted him cut anyway because he was a terrible quarterback.
Quote from: reese125 on November 16, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Tom Brady sucks.
Oh but does he have such beautiful locks.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 16, 2010, 05:49:48 PM
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
How bad did Laundry get bitchslapped on that play?? He was punked and bitchslapped on the same play. When Vick threw the ball, stinkin' laundry had coverage, but while the ball was in the air Pimp ran by him like he was standing still. Pimp has great speed, we all know what his 40 time is, but I'll tell you I think he's even faster on the field during a game. Some guys have that little extra they can call on, reach down and get, and that little extra ends up being a whole hell of a lot to the opposing defense. The Pimp is friggen' awesome man, and with Vick on the same team, and the connection they obviously have, it's gold. Vick knows he can cut loose with the ball and Pimp is gonna' be the only guy on the field that can go get his bombs.
It's a beautiful thing.
Don't forget Maclin
Between Pimp (3rd year), Vick, McCoy (2nd year), and Maclin (2nd year) is there anybody that runs over a 4.4 40? And aren't WRs supposed to take a few years to develop or is that a thing of the past?
shady is 4.5 guy known more for his cuts and shiftyness than speed
Incredible that the first year the Eagles are without McNabb and Westbrook, neither are missed at all. Also, while last year was an abomination at the safety position, I doubt anyone is thinking that a 35-year-old Brian Dawkins would be a difference maker for the team this year. Pretty incredible when I think about it.
But let's talk about whether or not Chuggie would slob Vick's knob. Herpes schmerpes.
Well, it's not like the Eagles really had Westbrook the last couple of years.
Injury prone!
Can anyone make a prediction on what game this fairy tale ends for Vick, or does he continuosly stroll like this into the playoffs?
Quote from: reese125 on November 17, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
Can anyone make a prediction on what game this fairy tale ends for Vick, or does he continuosly stroll like this into the playoffs?
I keep telling myself that he can't continue to play like this. Mostly because he never has played like this. But he keeps coming out every week and looking like a friggin' video game QB.
In other words, I think it ends this week.
I'm not sure how you stop him right now. You obviously can't spy him, and if you do it has to be a safety and either takes a linebacker off the field or it allows for deep routes.
You can't just drop back and play a deep zone because desean and maclin will eat it up underneath.
You can't blitz too often because they can max protect and let desean run past any corner.
And you can't play dime all game because Shady is a good runner and Vick will take off if he has too.
I know he hasn't played like this before but he also has never had this type of offensive coaching or weapons at his disposal.
Vick has always had the tools and the talent, what he never had was his head on straight or a stubborn ass coach. Now he has both of those things and the sky is the limit. I'm not saying he's going to do what he did vs. the Skins every game, but I expect him to be closer to that than closer to the QB he was in Atlanta.
i think it ends this week....because of the ridiculous hype over the monday night game....a game that had a spotlight on it and who every player coach and fan in the country saw...the giants are going to prepare almost as if they are facing brady in the superbowl when new england was 18-0...
i dont think they are going to shut vick down or anything but i think he has a game that falls in the average range and he throws a pick or two
Quote from: reese125 on November 17, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
Can anyone make a prediction on what game this fairy tale ends for Vick, or does he continuosly stroll like this into the playoffs?
After his 3rd straight superbowl win.
What sunny said, his supporting Cast makes him even more dangerous, and add to that what SD said about his focus, and how he really realizes that he could work to get better, and this is where he is now. Guy is playing out of his mind. I fully expect an egg to laid soon, but its a hell of a story
I think Vick will continue to play well until he gets injured again. Now when I say "well," I don't mean record-breaking ridiculous... But I just don't see him throwing up a total stinker.
I just keep going back to all the trip ups that would cause a Donovan stinker
1. Receivers couldn't get open...shouldn't happen now with all the weapons
2. Accuracy on throws and killing drives...Vick is extremely more accurate than Donovan. I don't think he's thrown one worm burner.
3. Poor gameplan than Andy has no ability to change up on...still very much a possibility.
Quote from: SunMo on November 17, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
2. Accuracy on throws and killing drives...Vick is extremely more accurate than Donovan. I don't think he's thrown one worm burner.
He's already come close to a pick a couple of times when he rifles one through someone's hands and it luckily falls harmlessly. His first pick of the season will probably bounce off of Celek to a defender.
You're right...unlike Mcnabb that threw right into the arms of a defender for a pick 6, I think Vicks luck will die out from the infamous tipped ball interception-which happens to the best of them.
With the way this guy is playing I am not going to try to predict anything. It will be interesting to see how he responds in a game if he has a turnover or two. We just have to hope that he continues playing this way and gets a Lombardi Trophy for Philly.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 17, 2010, 10:16:08 AM
It will be interesting to see how he responds in a game if he has a turnover or two.
Which is worse: the Eli sulk or the Donnie Mac beaming smile?
Has to be the smile, just because he was an Eagle for so long.
Andy/Marty did a brilliant job playcalling last week. At the very least, we know THAT aspect ain't gonna continue forever.
vicks yet to face a top 15 defense in the four games he started and finished which is one of the reasons this game is so huge....if he comes out and lights up the giants then holy shtein its will be ON!...i just dont expect that to happen....
ill be happy with an average to normal game from him and a win...with eli being a guy that can easily implode vick could actually have a bad game and still make the big play when needed to win...and thats an amazing feeling to have...
if the game is close in the second half and both qb's are plugging along who could you have more confidence in than michael vick to make a play that will pull you away or go ahead in the game?
this small picture is so much bigger than the big picture to me....i dont care how good hes playing right now or what his stats are thus far what makes him so great to me is that because of his legs and playmaking upside at ANYTIME you expect him to and have confidence that he will make a big play in a big spot...similar to the way i felt about mcnabb circa 2000-2002
I can't believe you guys can't see the resemblance. Mike and Pootie were separated at birth.
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Hm, still not funny. Maybe if you bring it up a few more times...
Vick gets better each week. If John Kitna can torch the Giants at home, they have been exposed, study that game on film and match up your guys with Dallas. We have an equally talented line up on offense minus the o-line but Vick is the X-factor. He's torching people on the run and in the air now. I agree, I still think Vick is gonna farg up, but he keeps proving me wrong week after week and only gets better. The Linc is going to be rocking come Sunday night after that huge win Monday. I just hope a Giants player starts a pre-game scuffle to get the boys fired up again. That team Monday night was unstoppable!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81c2c310/Playbook-How-did-Eagles-rout-taterskins
Quote from: SunMo on November 17, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
I just keep going back to all the trip ups that would cause a Donovan stinker
1. Receivers couldn't get open...shouldn't happen now with all the weapons
2. Accuracy on throws and killing drives...Vick is extremely more accurate than Donovan. I don't think he's thrown one worm burner.
3. Poor gameplan than Andy has no ability to change up on...still very much a possibility.
Vick's accuracy is the most surprising thing to me. In Atlanta, he was not an accurate passer at all. In the Green Bay game this year, he had a couple of throws that were way off, but they were far enough off that it was probably a miscommunication between QB and WR.
Vick looks like a completely different QB than he was in Atlanta. I didn't know accuracy was something that could be taught....don't remember his footwork in ATL but maybe that's what's helping now. His pocket presence is also much improved.
Regardless of how he became a legitimate QB, I'm off my hatewagon
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 17, 2010, 11:24:50 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81c2c310/Playbook-How-did-Eagles-rout-taterskins
Who is that tool? After he called Vick "Donovan" three times in the first 30 seconds I turned it off.
its mike mayock whos usually pretty damn good but that was embarrassing
he also yells to stop the film then says "once he turns that way, hes DONE!!"....then he says pretty good coverage but you cant catch and throw it better than that...so how was he done if he had good coverage and the reason he was beat was because of a sick throw and catch
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
"once he turns that way, hes DONE!!"....then he says pretty good coverage but you cant catch and throw it better than that...so how was he done if he had good coverage and the reason he was beat was because of a sick throw and catch
apparently if landry ran backwards the whole way, he would have beat desean to the ball
Mayock has been pretty shaky lately, but he's still on point. The other day he gave an overview of the wrong play, and realized it halfway in, then locked up, and then apologized and skipped the play entirely.
He butchered the whole Donovan/Vick thing, but I liked the breakdown of the Avant pass and the touchdown run. When he was talking about Landry turning his back and being done I think he's referring to the fact that once he turned he had no idea where Pimp or the ball were going, and after he turned around he was in chase mode, and as everyone knows, you aren't catching up to Pimp.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 17, 2010, 12:19:30 PM
apparently if landry ran backwards the whole way, he would have beat desean to the ball
He could of run to a spot had he kept his eyes on where DeSean was going, or where Vick was throwing the ball, instead he allowed Pimp to close the gap and then had to try to out run DeSean to where the ball was going to be, and that wasn't happening.
imo that whole play has nothing to do with coverage or speed or turning the wrong way....it has to do with a qb who threw a 63 yard pass on the button and heres the most incredible thing he threw it on a farging rope
any other qb EVER who attempts to make that pass throws that ball on much more of an arc and landry probably knocks it down
but who throws a ball that far ON A LINE...it was just an other worldly throw
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
imo that whole play has nothing to do with coverage or speed or turning the wrong way....it has to do with a qb who threw a 63 yard pass on the button and heres the most incredible thing he threw it on a farging rope
any other qb EVER who attempts to make that pass throws that ball on much more of an arc and landry probably knocks it down
but who throws a ball that far ON A LINE...it was just an other worldly throw
No doubt. I think the thing Mayock was trying to say was that even though the deck was stacked against Landry making any kind of play, it was "over" completely for him the second he took his eyes of both Pimp and the ball.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
imo that whole play has nothing to do with coverage or speed or turning the wrong way....it has to do with a qb who threw a 63 yard pass on the button and heres the most incredible thing he threw it on a farging rope
any other qb EVER who attempts to make that pass throws that ball on much more of an arc and landry probably knocks it down
but who throws a ball that far ON A LINE...it was just an other worldly throw
Truth. So perfect that DeSean had to kick in an extra gear just to barely catch it and barely stay upright enough to take it to the house. One yard further and DeSean has to make a diving attempt... One yard shorter and Landry can make a play on it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
imo that whole play has nothing to do with coverage or speed or turning the wrong way....it has to do with a qb who threw a 63 yard pass on the button and heres the most incredible thing he threw it on a farging rope
any other qb EVER who attempts to make that pass throws that ball on much more of an arc and landry probably knocks it down
but who throws a ball that far ON A LINE...it was just an other worldly throw
He had a couple other worldly throws that game, like the TD to Avant.
Vick without a doubt has the strongest arm in NFL history. But I agree that it is so impressive that not only can he gun it, but every throw is a perfect spiral.
I was so used to McNabb's dying ducks.
Quote from: King Cole on November 17, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
I was so used to McNabb's dying ducks.
wtf?...do you even watch eagle games
if anything he used to throw the ball to hard and deep balls were his specialty
BESTEST EVA
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 17, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
I was so used to McNabb's dying ducks.
wtf?...do you even watch eagle games
if anything he used to throw the ball to hard and deep balls were his specialty
A dying duck is a ball that has no spiral and flails out of control in the air. The distance has nothing to do with it.
Yeah, he didn't do that much either.
Perhaps you're thinking of Kolb's well publicized weak arm?
I always thought McNabb's balls had the absolute worst spirals. Those things were sputtering by mid flight.
No.
You're confusing spiral with distance. A common mista- wait, not it isn't.
He's confusing McNabb with McNair. Which makes sense, because McNair does not throw the ball well anymore.
McNabb has always thrown a very nice long ball, and still does. Any talk otherwise is the sound of some kind of axe being ground.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 17, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: SunMo on November 17, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
I just keep going back to all the trip ups that would cause a Donovan stinker
1. Receivers couldn't get open...shouldn't happen now with all the weapons
2. Accuracy on throws and killing drives...Vick is extremely more accurate than Donovan. I don't think he's thrown one worm burner.
3. Poor gameplan than Andy has no ability to change up on...still very much a possibility.
Vick's accuracy is the most surprising thing to me. In Atlanta, he was not an accurate passer at all. In the Green Bay game this year, he had a couple of throws that were way off, but they were far enough off that it was probably a miscommunication between QB and WR.
Vick looks like a completely different QB than he was in Atlanta. I didn't know accuracy was something that could be taught....don't remember his footwork in ATL but maybe that's what's helping now. His pocket presence is also much improved.
Regardless of how he became a legitimate QB, I'm off my hatewagon
Vick's improved accuracy is likely the result of improved footwork and the fact that he is looking down field immediately after the snap. It also helps when you have receivers who are hard to overthrow.
lebron james
Bravo.
QuoteI've seen on any number of message boards retard fans who had this to say about Vick taking apart the taterskins last week: "Well, I'd never want him on MY team. I'd be ashamed if he were my quarterback." If you find someone who says this in person, you walk up to them and you rub your scrotum against them. I farging hate uppity sports fans who have some kind of imaginary, subjective criteria for what kind of athlete they deem acceptable for their team and which they don't. It's bullshtein. BULLshtein. If you're into sports because you want athletes to be good people, stop watching farging sports. Because no team at no time will be 100% stocked with perfect, moral citizens of the universe. You just happen to know more about Mike Vick's transgressions than you do most any other athlete's. If you're a Giants fan and you say you'd never have Vick on your team, you have no farging clue if there's some prick already ON the Giants who is an even worse person than Vick, someone who hasn't at all paid for his sins. Mario Manningham could rape goats. I don't know. How the farg would I know?
Anyone who applies this sort of ethical standard to pro sports is a retard. It's professional sports. It's not even some cockamamie "amateur" enterprise like the NCAA or the Olympics, which are both terminally farged because of the same kind of hypocrisy. I don't root for players on my team to stay faithful to their wives and take cancer babies to the State Fair. I root for them to do a job. Anything outside of that purview is pointless and unrealistic. It's a transparent exercise in cheap self-esteem boosting. It's basically a way of deluding yourself into thinking you're somehow a good person by saying you'll never root for Vick, or that your team would NEVER dare employ such a horrible monster on its squad. It's all a load of shtein. If Vick were on my team right now, I'd buy 800 pieces of Vick memorabilia, even the commemorative #7 Valtrex travel pack. The farg do I care? He's destroying the world right now. I don't give a shtein if he took a dog and chopped its dick off with a pizza cutter. I already know he's a moron who's liable to do something idiotic at any second. But ANY player on the squad could also be that way. I don't know them. I CAN'T know them. And to assume otherwise makes you a swollen dickhole.
Swollen dickhole. Outstanding.
I think I got the biggest chuckle out of the "commemorative #7 Valtrex travel pack," but to each his own.
The commermorative #7 Valtrex travel pack hit too close to home for that swollen dickhole rjs
I buy in bulk.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 18, 2010, 03:15:45 PM
I think I got the biggest chuckle out of the "commemorative #7 Valtrex travel pack," but to each his own.
For me it was: "I don't give a shtein if he took a dog and chopped its dick off with a pizza cutter."
I don't really have a problem with people who root for or against athletes with/without character issues. I do have a problem when people want to continue to persecute others for their transgressions after they've already been punished for them. If someone doesn't want to root for Vick because he killed dogs, fine. It's the idiots who say he should never be able to play football again that I have a problem with.
when the whole thing first dropped there were a good amount of idiots like that but other than some peta crazies i have heard very little of those kind of people since he got out of jail
There are plenty of people who will always hate him. But probably not as much as his opponents do.
I've pretty much been having argument's with people lately about how I can root for him. I am so sick of these dog loving idiots. The guys quote above proved a great point, but I can pretty much conclude that these people value dog lives more than human lives. They sit there and argue that Vick is a sociopath and I'm thinking, and Ray Lewis, Stallworth, Rapelisberger, even Farve, Kobe, those guys aren't? Wow, harming a humans life fine, but kill dogs and or let dogs die on your property. Shame on you! Believe me, I can relate, dogs are pretty much cooler than 80% of the human population, but really, step back into reality weirdos.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 18, 2010, 06:48:12 PM
There are plenty of people who will always hate him. But probably not as much as his opponents do.
I am pretty sure his opponents on the field have much respect for his abilities. Getting schooled on the field sucks, but if the guy is that good you gotta take your hat off to him after its over with.
Sigh.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 17, 2010, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 17, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: SunMo on November 17, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
I just keep going back to all the trip ups that would cause a Donovan stinker
1. Receivers couldn't get open...shouldn't happen now with all the weapons
2. Accuracy on throws and killing drives...Vick is extremely more accurate than Donovan. I don't think he's thrown one worm burner.
3. Poor gameplan than Andy has no ability to change up on...still very much a possibility.
Vick's accuracy is the most surprising thing to me. In Atlanta, he was not an accurate passer at all. In the Green Bay game this year, he had a couple of throws that were way off, but they were far enough off that it was probably a miscommunication between QB and WR.
Vick looks like a completely different QB than he was in Atlanta. I didn't know accuracy was something that could be taught....don't remember his footwork in ATL but maybe that's what's helping now. His pocket presence is also much improved.
Regardless of how he became a legitimate QB, I'm off my hatewagon
Vick's improved accuracy is likely the result of improved footwork and the fact that he is looking down field immediately after the snap. It also helps when you have receivers who are hard to overthrow.
I don't know how, but his accuracy has improved to be about as accurate as any qb I've seen. He's throwing a perfect ball, accuracy, spiral, and distance. I'm telling you last Monday was history in the making, and not just because of records. No qb has ever played lights out like that.
Quote from: shorebird on November 19, 2010, 07:46:10 AMNo qb has ever played lights out like that.
Settle down now.
In all honesty, if he continues to play/dominate like he has this season, I wouldn't care if he held dog fights in the middle of Rittenhouse Square.
I've seen many a QB throw perfect pass time and time again, ala Brady and Manning. The fact is the combination of his feet and arm is something we've never seen. The guy changed his workouts. Hes actully putting effort into getting better. In the past he just relied on his given abilities and didnt have much motivation to get better cause he was a made man. He got humbled and had to start over, he's older now. Dude has impressed the hell out of me. VIVA LA MEXICO!
I am going to be so pissed if the eagles ever lose another game.
Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2010, 10:03:09 AMThe fact is the combination of his feet and arm is something we've never seen.
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Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Vick wishes he had Randall's dope socks.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 19, 2010, 10:56:42 AM
Vick wishes he had Randall's dope socks.
Ha, truth.
I have no idea which one of them had the stronger arm, but Vick's throws seem so effortless, even in comparison to Randall's. Cunningham could throw the ball a mile, but it seemed like he was putting everything he had behind each throw.
Randall is the better punter.
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The biggest difference between Randall and Vick is probably coaching. Even in Atl Vick had pretty good coaching around him.
Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Randall had Barter and Williams. Not so bad.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on November 19, 2010, 02:14:07 PM
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Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Randall had Barter and Williams. Not so bad.
and jackson and byars. plus better uniforms.
Maybe he thinks Cris Carter and Fred Barnett are the same person?
or maybe hes a moron
He's confusing him with Charlie Garnett.
Quote from: smeags on November 19, 2010, 02:19:29 PM
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Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Randall had Barter and Williams. Not so bad.
and jackson and byars. plus better uniforms.
I was trying to type Carter. And Barnett and Quick
Randall and Quick only played 1 "full" season together and that was the strike shorted 87 season. The next few years, Quick played in 8, 6 and 4 games respectively. Although during that 12 game season, Quick was on pace to have his best year as a pro.
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Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Randall had Barter and Williams. Not so bad.
and jackson and byars. plus better uniforms.
I was trying to type Carter. And Barnett and Quick
I assume you're talking about Cris Carter and Calvin Williams....in which case, that would be false. Calvin Williams was a rook in 1990, which was Carter's first year in Minny.
oh for farg sake who gives a shtein
Historical integrity gives a shtein
Quote from: Diomedes on November 19, 2010, 05:25:42 PM
oh for farg sake who gives a shtein
Your face gives a shtein every time you open your filthy mouth.
D-
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Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
Randall wishes he had Djack and Mac
Randall had Barter and Williams. Not so bad.
and jackson and byars. plus better uniforms.
I was trying to type Carter. And Barnett and Quick
I assume you're talking about Cris Carter and Calvin Williams....in which case, that would be false. Calvin Williams was a rook in 1990, which was Carter's first year in Minny.
I was actually trying to name the 4 prominent receivers during the Cunningham era, but due to a defect in the scrolling on my computer, I missed adding 2. Barnett and Williams played together and were were preceeded by Quick and Carter. Keith Jackson was
a better receiving TE then Celek.
Aim high, Sarge. You are in the Air Force, right?
I've been posting here for damn near a decade. Clearly I like to keep the bar as low and attainable as possible.
I like attainable bars too. If I have to wait in line, I'll drink somewhere else.
well this thread has taken a turn for the worse
we just can't behave without you pappy
Speaking of Buddy era WRs, how bout some love for Gregg Garrity:
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/UserFiles/Image/Alumni/in-garrity-070708.jpg)
The other CF approves
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 19, 2010, 05:51:08 PM
Aim high, Sarge. You are in the Air Force, right?
No, his ASVAB was the less than 40
Quote from: SD on November 19, 2010, 06:26:42 PM
Speaking of Buddy era WRs, how bout some love for Gregg Garrity:
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/UserFiles/Image/Alumni/in-garrity-070708.jpg)
The other CF approves
they love porn staches?
since they're a white thing I'd say yes
Reilly is generally a waste of space, but this is a good article to show to the haters:
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5824801&top
Thanks for pasting a mobile link, dick.
It's more convenient for those of us who don't use 10% of our take home pay on our phones.
the one thing i like about vick is he almost always giving himself credit for making it back to where he is now...and he says its all on him to keep the straight and narrow...he doesnt credit god every other sentence or say that with god right behind him he knows he wont mess up again....
unlike say josh hamilton....i mean if josh hamilton believes that god truly saved him and because of that belief he keeps clean then im all for it...as ridiculous as it is its one of the two times i actually think religion is useful...but jesus is it annoying hearing about it every two seconds
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 19, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
Reilly is generally a waste of space, but this is a good article to show to the haters:
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5824801&top
QuoteBefore prison, Vick used to be the last one into the locker room and the first one out. After prison, he's just the opposite. No Eagle prepares harder.
Before prison, he practically drove ruts in the McDonald's drive-thru lane. After prison, he's a chicken-and-broccoli guy.
Before prison, the only film room he hit much was the home theater in his Atlanta mansion. After prison, he has become a freak for studying game film of the opponent.
I love reading shtein like that
Before prison, he murdered animals. After prison, he pets them.
Vick is both Goofus and Gallant.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
the one thing i like about vick is he almost always giving himself credit for making it back to where he is now...and he says its all on him to keep the straight and narrow...he doesnt credit god every other sentence or say that with god right behind him he knows he wont mess up again....
unlike say josh hamilton....i mean if josh hamilton believes that god truly saved him and because of that belief he keeps clean then im all for it...as ridiculous as it is its one of the two times i actually think religion is useful...but jesus is it annoying hearing about it every two seconds
Or Maurice Clarrett. There's an article on ESPN.com about him right now that talks about him just finishing up his first year in the UFL. Good article altogether once you get past the religious stuff.
Based on the article, he also sounds like prison changed him for the better. I hope so.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 19, 2010, 08:06:14 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 19, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
Reilly is generally a waste of space, but this is a good article to show to the haters:
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5824801&top
QuoteBefore prison, Vick used to be the last one into the locker room and the first one out. After prison, he's just the opposite. No Eagle prepares harder.
Before prison, he practically drove ruts in the McDonald's drive-thru lane. After prison, he's a chicken-and-broccoli guy.
Before prison, the only film room he hit much was the home theater in his Atlanta mansion. After prison, he has become a freak for studying game film of the opponent.
I love reading shtein like that
Steve Young summed it up quite nicely earlier this week. Said that the transformation we've seen in Vick on the field is due to the transformation of Vick off the field. This probably sounds corny as hell, but I'm really rooting for Vick to keep his life on track off the field just as much on the field. Hopefully some other cons serving in the joint right now will follow his lead and look for redemption upon their release rather than "falling prey to the system" and continue to make the same dumb decisions that got them locked up in the first place. It can only help make the world a more tolerable place if criminals leave prison looking to change their ways for the better.
i love michael vick now. i professed my love for him at the taterskins game.
let's be real, inside he's probably no different than he was five years ago. he's just smarter. it's not like he was in jail and all the rapists and murderers were like, i can't believe you killed dogs.
he realized what can happen to your life and he finally thinks before he talks and acts. that's all i want from my athletes. just be smart when out in public, and if you still want to rape dogs, just do it in your basement instead of a wide open field in virginia. nobody's business but your own son. keep it real.
oh no doubt....hes upset because he got caught not because he killed dogs
Pretty much. With perhaps a little remorse sprinkled in for what he did. Or maybe he's haunted by an image in his mind's eye from the torture sessions. Who knows.
But I love that he's harnessed the potential. A late bloomer for more than one reason, the full tilt of athletic talent is finally on display.
I never thought he would be this guy. I had him pegged for the 53% passer and dumb decision making QB like he was before.
Like any of us idiots can judge Vick and the remorse he's shown or no shown. shut the farg up
Well, you can, mister smash birds with a cinderblock.
I was putting it out of it's misery. I'm not a monster.
Oh yeah....tell that to the innocent fruit you smashed too.
hbionic?
Good guess, but no. I'm talking actual fruit.
Robert Plant?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 20, 2010, 12:44:51 AM
Well, you can, mister smash birds with a cinderblock.
^-^
I have done that on more than one occasion. :paranoid
QuoteAccording to ESPN Stats & Information, Vick's has a 65.5 completion percentage with a 122.2 quarterback rating and 10 touchdowns inside the pocket.
That's nearly as many interceptions as McNabb has. Trade him while he's still got value!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 20, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 20, 2010, 12:44:51 AM
Well, you can, mister smash birds with a cinderblock.
^-^
I have done that on more than one occasion. :paranoid
A friend I'm here with saw this and wants me to call you a douchebag for her. Douchebag.
(she lives in a black and white douchebag/nondouchebag world).
I was like 8 but...you can tell her to go fist herself!
And to Videotape it
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
oh no doubt....hes upset because he got caught not because he killed dogs
I am in absolute agreement with this. In fact, I'll take it one step further, I don't care. (as long as he doesn't kill my dog)
as great as its been to see this guy perform, its looking like its going to be very short-lived if he keeps going head first or turning his back before hes about to get hit on the run.
not too sure who he thinks he is and what hes trying to prove, but these LB's and db's are just a tad bit stronger than him...just a tad.
for real
I couldn't get the idea out of my head that he was going to get himself busted in half, which would have laid out the red carpet for vigy to spend the next week congratulating himself on predicting the injury.
Fortunately the Eagles handed off to the running back at least 5 or 6 times that game, thus reducing the risk of an injury to Vick. Unfortunately Shady only ripped off 40 and 50 yard runs and 8 ypc so maybe we won't be seeing much more that that until they improve more.
It's kind of crazy how Vick isn't afraid to lower his shoulder and take on a tackler. I never really noticed that part of his game in Atlanta. It scares the shtein out of me when he does it, but at the same time, I think it gets the rest of the team a little jacked up when they see him giving everything he's got to pick up yards. He's kind of gritty.
I can't stand the random designed run plays for him. He puts himself in a position to get hit enough as it is. In the first half yesterday there was a play where they called for a draw, or it might have been an option, on their own 40 yard line or so. Didn't like it.
(http://media.philly.com/images/112210_vickcover_mtc.jpg)
He's the 6th eagles qb to be on the SI cover
Van Brocklin
Jim McMahon
Randall (x2)
McNabb (x3)
Garcia
and the 14th overall
Van Brocklin
McDonald
Vito Kab (in a loss taterskins focused cover)
Randall
McMahon
McNabb
Trotter
Owens
White
Fraley
Jamaal Jackson
Sheldon Brown
DeSean Jackson
Why the hell was Jamaal Jackson on the cover of SI? It had to be something where they had an in game shot of McNabb at the LOS and Jackson just happened to be in the shot, right?
Quote
Todd Herremans touts Mike Vick's determination
Posted by Mike Florio on November 23, 2010, 9:17 AM EST
Osi Umenyiora, Michael Vick
Three weeks ago, we were reminded of the periodic struggles of former Eagles and current taterskins quarterback Donovan McNabb during the two-minute drill. On Monday, Eagles guard Todd Herremans made some interesting comments comparing and contrasting the late-game performances of McNabb and current Eagles quarterback Mike Vick.
"Mike seems a little more determined when he's in the huddle," Herremans told Mike Missanelli of 97.5 the Fanatic in Philadelphia. "I guess determined is a good word for it because I would say both of them are confident when they are in the huddle.
"Donovan would always have that relaxed, kind of lackadaisical feel to him where he tried to keep a cool head the whole time. He always thought if he stayed relaxed and didn't act like anything was bothering him that he felt like that was the best way to carry out the game. Mike comes in the huddle and he has a look of sheer determination on his face to where he's gonna get it done. . . .
"Mike's attitude, whether it's how he carries himself, his determination or whatever, it's very contagious to the rest of the players on the field. I think people have been able to see that when he's out there with us, we're a totally different team. Let alone his ability but the the others players on the team, it seems they step their play up when Mike's on the field."
I wonder if Vick inspires them to take terrible penalties at inopportune times.
there are no great qbs in the league that are a lackadaisical. none. christ--even pretty boy brady looks and acts like hes about to beat his children all game
not that it was a big secret about donovan--we see it on tv, but the shtein still rubs me the wrong way when I read about it from a player--like Im expecting the opposite to be said about him or something.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 23, 2010, 10:58:07 AM
Why the hell was Jamaal Jackson on the cover of SI? It had to be something where they had an in game shot of McNabb at the LOS and Jackson just happened to be in the shot, right?
it was a general training camp issue not a story about the eagles
yeah, that was about the battle between him and Fraley
Vito Kab, 1982. Thanksgiving weekend, strike year. It may have been the first or second game back after the strike. It was a close game. I'd love to see all those covers.
You can totally see the Vick cares more and carries himself much better than Donovan. He's leading by example, not leading by association.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1122/espn_g_vickm_600.jpg)
I don't think that my body could get in this position without breaking.
I don't give a flying farg about whatever happened, dogs, jail, whatever, Mike Vick is the best thing to happen to this organization in a long, long time. He's the ultimate team player, took a beating and still stood up. He has all the confidence in his teamates that any qb could have. The man has balls the size of New Jersey. He's the shtein...period.
A difference now is that I'm not hoping for him to get hurt like I did when he was in Atlanta. Dook takes a lot of hits
Quote from: shorebird on December 03, 2010, 12:09:45 AM
I don't give a flying farg about whatever happened, dogs, jail, whatever, Mike Vick is the best thing to happen to this organization in a long, long time. He's the ultimate team player, took a beating and still stood up. He has all the confidence in his teamates that any qb could have. The man has balls the size of New Jersey. He's the shtein...period.
He's an actual leader, and it's been a long time since the Eagles had one of those at the QB position.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 03, 2010, 12:59:07 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 03, 2010, 12:09:45 AM
I don't give a flying farg about whatever happened, dogs, jail, whatever, Mike Vick is the best thing to happen to this organization in a long, long time. He's the ultimate team player, took a beating and still stood up. He has all the confidence in his teamates that any qb could have. The man has balls the size of New Jersey. He's the shtein...period.
He's an actual leader, and it's been a long time since the Eagles had one of those at the QB position.
ironic that maybe those same cruel qualities that allowed him to maim and kill dogs, he can use on the field as a killer instinct to get the job done and put games away.
I don't like how many hits he's absorbing.
Andy hung him out like a pinata. Not 1 pass in the 3rd quarter even when there was poor protection. When they finally did run, it was a designed run for Vick.
Listening to him being interviewed, he seems to be genuine, like it's for real, he's defiantly a changed man. He loves Philly, and can't say enough good things about his coaches and teamates. It's amazing how this team has rallied around him, like they were crying out and now have the leader they've so desperately wanted and needed.
one thing that bags me up is always says, "It's gonna be Dynamic" when describing the team's improvements, or how he's out in the community talking about dog fighting.
hypocrisy is fun
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5876114
QuoteVick incites outrage amid cheers
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By Nils Lofgren
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An open letter to the men and women of the sports reporting community,
I am so disheartened and disappointed by your collective, lopsided praise of Michael Vick due to his recent spectacular on-field performance.
Michael Vick served his time for a federal dogfighting charge, but some still question the logic behind his reinstatement to the NFL.
Jemele Hill stated on ESPN's "The Sports Reporters" that if Josh Hamilton could win one of baseball's MVP awards after recovering from alcohol and drug abuse, why couldn't Vick win the award in the NFL? Well, for one thing, Hamilton has neither tortured dozens of dogs nor murdered defenseless animals.
I do not know what is in Michael Vick's head or heart. But in a recent ESPN interview, and elsewhere, he stated that while he was committing these heinous acts of cruelty, it never occurred to him that he was doing anything wrong.
What a chilling, telling statement.
In Vick's case, I believe his second chance should certainly allow him to be free and to love and raise his family. I think he should make speeches about the error of his ways and help animal groups. I understand that he is doing some of these things and I applaud that. He's also admitted to being haunted by his dogfighting days. That growth is welcome and necessary, but comes too late for me and those dogs.
I support his right to earn a living. But, while I can't fault him for taking great advantage of the opportunities afforded him by playing in the NFL, I feel he does not deserve that lofty a place in our society and culture. However repentant he may be, he committed acts whose vileness will resonate down the years. When you do what Vick did, a second chance should never include the rare gift of an NFL career and the potential bounty it offers.
Shame on the NFL for not banning him permanently.
How can we justify this saga to our children?
The fighting is bad enough. But when the dogs aren't up to their standards of violence, they'll beat the dogs against walls until they're dead, hang, electrocute or drown them.
And if the schedule is too busy for torture that day, they'll just shoot them dead as the poor dogs gaze desperately into their eyes for just one moment of love or kindness. But love is one thing those dogs are forever and viciously denied.
"
When you do what Vick did, a second chance should never include the rare gift of an NFL career and the potential bounty it offers.
"
In addition to forcing the dogs to fight, Vick and his cohorts bred the dogs. A butcher is often called in to rip out the teeth and nails of these innocent canines, making it easier to chain them to what is known in fighting circles as a rape stand to be forcibly mated -- cultivating only fear, rage and hate in these blameless creatures. All of that to create more fighting dogs whose lives will just repeat a cycle of unspeakable suffering.
Well kids, although doing those things is wrong, two years after you admit to doing them the NFL will let you have a job that may lead to an MVP award and many millions of dollars in a new contract.
Parents are already dealing with a society seemingly gone mad. We have many troubled kids in our country. Some of them act out by hurting animals, themselves and others in various ways. How do we square our interest in saving children when they can clearly see this kind of evil behavior, for some, is only a big bump on the road to fame, fortune and glory?
Truly frightening.
I am a giant sports fan. However, the cynic in me thinks maybe if Vick were a third-string lineman, the NFL would have set an example and banned him for life. Maybe many of the other significant charges Vick was facing wouldn't have gone away if he didn't have the prestige of being an NFL quarterback who can afford high-priced lawyers to wrangle pleas and deals.
For the NFL to be that forgiving of evil, vicious behavior is a terribly inappropriate act of forgiveness and has brought a sick, sad, dirty feeling to many of us fans who have loved the game for so long.
And to you reporters, whom I enjoy and respect, the sentiments in this letter are suspiciously absent in your hundreds of hours of Vick coverage.
Recently, on another edition of "The Sports Reporters," Mike Lupica said that this Vick issue spoke to the shallowness of the pro sports world.
Wow! Three seconds versus hundreds of "Vick's so great!" hours. Way to go! Just because the NFL lost its spine and common sense on this matter doesn't mean you reporters have to get in line and go along.
Sincerely,
Nils Lofgren
Musician and huge sports fan, hurt and demoralized
Who the farg is Nils Lofgren and why should we care what the slap nut has to say?
Virtuoso guitarist, we shouldn't.
i hope Nils Lofgren gets placed on the rape stand
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/101202
In-depth break down of the financial issues Vick has
On ESPN's NFL page, they moved Vick up into number two in the MVP watch... right behind Tom Brady. I wonder if the Eagles win out, if Vick has a chance to jump over Brady with the way the Uggs model has been playing as of late.
Brady is on another level right now. Two straight games with 300 yards, 4 TD's and no picks.
Plus, his backup isn't a guy who got a $12 million bonus this year, so Brady wins.
Comeback player of the year seems like a lock though.
Brady is on fire and the blue bloods have forgotten all about the question of "how can the Pats be a better team without Moss?" Looks like they are better.
Vick wants to own a dog (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5922161)
I don't know if I'd be for or against him being allowed to own a dog again. I don't think there's a law that prevents pedophiles from breeding, so I guess this would kind of be the same thing. However, I think he needs to slow his role a bit. This is something that he doesn't need to be addressing right now. If he was asked if he'd like to own a dog again, he would have probably been better served to give a no comment response or that he hasn't given it any thought or something kind of generic. Right now, he just needs to keep doing what he's doing to get his life back in order, pay off his debt and after a few years, then maybe address the issue.
this is nothing new....hes been saying for months that he would one day like to get a dog
First I heard of it. Still, he should probably leave this issue alone as it he stands to gain nothing by saying it publicly.
Sounds like you should try to become a member of his PR team
Other than the crazy people that will never give Vick a second chance, who gives a farg? If it's that big of a deal, make him start out with a pomeranian and work his way up to the cool/fighting breeds
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 15, 2010, 01:23:22 PM
Sounds like you should try to become a member of his PR team
Other than the crazy people that will never give Vick a second chance, who gives a farg? If it's that big of a deal, make him start out with a pomeranian and work his way up to the cool/fighting breeds
i first saw it on an espn 360 interview a couple months ago and it didnt even register....i dont even think peta people care anymore
and its funny you say that (pomeranian) because in the espn interview he states he wants some little awful dog...i cant recall exactly what breed...maybe a pug?
That's just dedication. He wants a football shaped dog he can work out with at home. After it stops being dizzy, it'll walk itself back to him for another throw.
I should. I'd make a great PR guy. But this is really just common sense. In today's society, where everything this guy says and does is magnified in the media and on the web, I just don't get why anyone who is already being scrutinized would say or do anything that's only going to bring more scrutiny.
Apparently he doesn't give a hoot about being scrutinized. Better him getting a dog than being an error-on-the-side-of-caution-PC-hippie
I hope he gets a dog and it chews up your hat.
The dogs abused by Vick would feel lucky after seeing the punishment to the dog who chewed up my hat
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't go over well in the media. You should probably rethink that.
if he wins the super bowl he can have both of my dogs.
If he shows up at my house he can have my dog. She's skaing on thin ice.
Why would anyone want a dog that's afraid of it's own farts?
Quote from: rjs246 on December 15, 2010, 03:21:44 PM
If he shows up at my house he can have my dog. She's skating on thin ice.
That sounds even more dangerous than cruising for a bruising
At least its ass isn't grass yet
And Vick's the lawnmower?
You're all neato.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/16/michael-vick-porsche-panamera-philadelphia-eagles-kijafa-frink-lesean-mccoy-desean-jackson-birthday-fiance/
not too sure why this is news and the reason for posting it
QuoteVick is no good. Vick tortured dogs to the death. Vick is a sicko and deserves prison. Goodell is no good for letting Vick back in football. Vick should have been banned. Philadelphia is no good for cheering on Vick the dog torturer/killer. The Philadelphia Eagles are no good for allowing Vick on the team. My Philadelphia Eagles jersey is now my butt wipe. Boo the Eagles and Vick and Philadelphia and anyone that can cheer for the Eagles and Vick, you are no good like Vick! Vick should die a slow and painful death like the puppies he mutilated and burned alive. You pig Vick!
Posted at 4:46 AM on Dec 16, 2010 by ggmichelle
People are retarded
you can tell that was written by either a 260lb, oreo cookie eating, emo 18 year old or eli manning using a fake name
I'd go with an oreo stuffing fatty
people are still upset about mike vick. that's amazing and amuses me to no end.
Quote from: Rome on December 16, 2010, 09:41:39 AM
people are still upset about mike vick. that's amazing and amuses me to no end.
It's one of the main reasons I just (finally) bought a Vick jersey. The "midwestern values" people that try to lecture me are gonna love when I wear it every time I go out.
farg them and their make believe football team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Michael-Vick-s-first-post-prison-televisi?urn=nfl-296862
QuoteMichael McCarthy of USA Today reports that Vick wasn't paid for the spot, but gets free use of a $54,000 Nissan Armada.
Sucker....he needs a new agent
he wasn't paid because every dime he makes is immediately attached by the bankruptcy court.
Sounds like he just woke up.
i dont know if anyone mentioned this, but mikey miss said yesterday that he predicts a long-term deal is announced today..
Why not? It worked out for the skins with McNabb.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 17, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
i dont know if anyone mentioned this, but mikey miss said yesterday that he predicts a long-term deal is announced today..
I heard that too and he was being facetious because of the Cliff Lee signing.
Quote from: Rome on December 16, 2010, 09:41:39 AM
people are still upset about mike vick. that's amazing and amuses me to no end.
Why? I can understand it. There are people here who would still hate Vick if he was on another team.
What's this still shtein?
Quote"[Vick] just had this determined look on his face," said left guard Todd Herremans. "It's like he's saying, 'I'm about to win this game. If you want to help, you're more than welcome.'
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/...the-meadowlands
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 17, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
i dont know if anyone mentioned this, but mikey miss said yesterday that he predicts a long-term deal is announced today..
Ric Romero, reporting?
After today the front office knows that if they don't try hard to re-sign Vick the fans just might burn down the Linc.
Vick singlehandely brought the Eagles back. I was screaming the whole game for him to run the friggen' ball becuase he had no blocking at all. This o-line sucks ass. Even the passes he completed he had to get the ball out quickly because the Giants were on him like white on rice. I don't know how many like this he has in him, but he gonna' need a few more.
yup, Vick's second chance was just compared to a pedophile getting a second chance in a kid-friendly neighborhood....on a FB thread.
If Vick is allowed a second chance at a career and to live amongst us all, why not a Pedophile.
omg.
i think the vick dog fighting stuff has sailed the port...unless and until he opens up another dog fighting ring lets put it all to rest
It has not. And this is Eagles fans saying it too.
"I'm not a fan, I hate him and will never forgive him...no matter how good he is...he's no better than a pedophile and he's a murderer."
i stopped caring about peoples feelings toward super-mike a few months ago; i suggest you all do the same.
fine....but i just dont care
wait, vick killed dogs ? :o
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 20, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
It has not. And this is Eagles fans saying it too.
"I'm not a fan, I hate him and will never forgive him...no matter how good he is...he's no better than a pedophile and he's a murderer."
Whoever said that has every right to say that, and they're not wrong.
But whatever... give the man a blank contract and let him fill in the numbers.
This is what leaders say. Take notes:
Quote"We just said to ourselves, 'Listen, we're just going to go out there and play for pride above anything else. They may beat us 49-25 but we're going to play with pride and we can't complain.' And that's all I want. That's all I want to ask of my teammates, and my offensive line, to play with some pride and enjoy the game."
FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP SKEET SKEET SKEET AAAAAAHHHHHHH
Quote from: charlie on December 20, 2010, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 20, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
It has not. And this is Eagles fans saying it too.
"I'm not a fan, I hate him and will never forgive him...no matter how good he is...he's no better than a pedophile and he's a murderer."
Whoever said that has every right to say that, and they're not wrong.
But whatever... give the man a blank contract and let him fill in the numbers.
so if a guy kills your dog you'd have the same feelings toward him as a guy that rapes your daughter ?
fyi
vick is live on sportscenter at 11
Unless he plans to do air guitar and hump a wall, I can't imagine it would be must-see TV.
Quote from: smeags on December 20, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
Quote from: charlie on December 20, 2010, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 20, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
It has not. And this is Eagles fans saying it too.
"I'm not a fan, I hate him and will never forgive him...no matter how good he is...he's no better than a pedophile and he's a murderer."
Whoever said that has every right to say that, and they're not wrong.
But whatever... give the man a blank contract and let him fill in the numbers.
so if a guy kills your dog you'd have the same feelings toward him as a guy that rapes your daughter ?
For me, no. For some people, maybe. It's not for me to say whether someone's feeling on the issue is right or wrong. It's fairly simple.
I am not making an assumption that saying one act is despicable makes another act less despicable.
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:38:14 AM
Unless he plans to do air guitar and hump a wall, I can't imagine it would be must-see TV.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
This is what leaders say. Take notes:
Quote"We just said to ourselves, 'Listen, we're just going to go out there and play for pride above anything else. They may beat us 49-25 but we're going to play with pride and we can't complain.' And that's all I want. That's all I want to ask of my teammates, and my offensive line, to play with some pride and enjoy the game."
FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP SKEET SKEET SKEET AAAAAAHHHHHHH
make up your mind
Quote from: Rome on December 20, 2010, 10:41:31 AM
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Hard to say that the Pats would be 12-2 with Stephon Hoyer at QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
make up your mind
I love Vick on the field, in the locker room, in the huddle, watching film, and talking to kids about avoiding doing stupid shtein. But he generally is as understated and boring an interview as there is. That's why when he says something in his presser like he did yesterday, you really take note... because he's not given to over-exaggeration or platitudes. Unlike some other people we know.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Rome on December 20, 2010, 10:41:31 AM
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Hard to say that the Pats would be 12-2 with Stephon Hoyer at QB.
If they were, that guy would be a shoe in for MVP.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 20, 2010, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Rome on December 20, 2010, 10:41:31 AM
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Hard to say that the Pats would be 12-2 with Stephon Hoyer at QB.
If they were, that guy would be a shoe in for MVP.
Yeah, but he might not be a shoo-in.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Rome on December 20, 2010, 10:41:31 AM
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Hard to say that the Pats would be 12-2 with Stephon Hoyer at QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
make up your mind
I love Vick on the field, in the locker room, in the huddle, watching film, and talking to kids about avoiding doing stupid shtein. But he generally is as understated and boring an interview as there is. That's why when he says something in his presser like he did yesterday, you really take note... because he's not given to over-exaggeration or platitudes. Unlike some other people we know.
I dont know if you want Vick juggling footballs or telling knock knock jokes during pressers, but I dont see whats so boring about Vicks interviews.
He actually sounds about 15 x's more intelligent now than he ever did.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 20, 2010, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Rome on December 20, 2010, 10:41:31 AM
It really is simple. The guy is the MVP of the league and it's not even close. Everything else is happy horseshtein.
Hard to say that the Pats would be 12-2 with Stephon Hoyer at QB.
If they were, that guy would be a shoe in for MVP.
Yeah, but he might not be a shoo-in.
Well no, because he'd need shoes. You don't even think about these things, do you?
Quote from: reese125 on December 20, 2010, 10:50:57 AM
I dont know if you want Vick juggling footballs or telling knock knock jokes during pressers, but I dont see whats so boring about Vicks interviews.
He actually sounds about 15 x's more intelligent now than he ever did.
I like him the way he is. I just don't have to set the DVR for it.
i do
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
fyi
vick is live on sportscenter at 11
Moved to sometime around 12:30.
I am still farging waiting. I can't get enough of this shtein!
looks like hes a no show now as they arent even teasing it anymore
Yeah they didn't even mention it. He did this with the NFL Network too after the the Thursday Night game.
Booooo! Bench his dog slaughtering ass!
Pretty sure his ass had very little to do with that. Although, I often fart in my dogs' faces to send a message.
to be fair hes done like 100000000000000 interviews this year.
its back up "this hour"
Nice article by Whitlock on the game.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Michael-Vick-Philadelphia-Eagles-New-York-Giants-signature-performance-122010 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Michael-Vick-Philadelphia-Eagles-New-York-Giants-signature-performance-122010)
His movie just keeps getting better and better. Matter of fact, writers can stop the script right now if they'd like and it will be a straight blockbuster with the right cast/director.
Director: Oliver Stone
Mike Vick: Anthony Mackie (Nate Ruffin in We are Marshall).
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 20, 2010, 02:34:54 PM
Nice article by Whitlock on the game.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Michael-Vick-Philadelphia-Eagles-New-York-Giants-signature-performance-122010 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Michael-Vick-Philadelphia-Eagles-New-York-Giants-signature-performance-122010)
The only bad thing about that article is that Whitlock refers to John Elway as one of the two greatest QBs of all time.
Um, no.
just for arguments sake--where are you putting elway that makes his statement so far fetched?
Not in the top two and definitely not so firmly entrenched in the top two that you could just throw his name out as an obvious choice.
Montana, Elway, Brady, Manning, Marino
Looks about right to me, though I think by the time they're done, Brady and Manning will be with Montana 1/2/3 personally.
A quarterback with a career completion percentage under 60% probably shouldn't make the top 5.
To me...after Montana, they are all debatable.
steve young was better than montana
I know, and I have a beach house in Nebraska.
he had the accuracy of montana coud run like vick and had jeff georges arm...i never saw a better qb than him
And when he was done playing, he had the brain of a toddler. Or Todd.
if you want to judge a qb by his post season performance--there was none better than joe montana. thats a trump in my book.
Tom Brady's certainly catching up.
Steve Young has to be in that group. And the correct actor to play MV is Pootie Tang.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 20, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
It has not. And this is Eagles fans saying it too.
"I'm not a fan, I hate him and will never forgive him...no matter how good he is...he's no better than a pedophile and he's a murderer."
I can't help but laugh at the stupidity of these kinds of people. Murder? No. Animal cruelty, hell yes, but you don't murder dogs. If your gonna' hate, at least get the shtein right.
I ain't even commentin' on the "pedophile" crap.
Unitas undoubtedly should be top 3
lol
this board is so old and white its not even funny
None of you whippersnappers would be spewing that codswallop about Steve Young and Joe Montana if you ever saw Paddy Driscoll and Jimmy Conzelman hurling the ol' pigskin for the Decatur Staleys.
Conzelman sucked
At least he didn't smile!
Otto Graham is to QBs what Vince Lombardi is to coaches
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2010, 10:56:56 PM
lol
this board is so old and white its not even funny
Guilty.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 21, 2010, 12:50:50 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2010, 10:56:56 PM
lol
this board is so old and white its not even funny
Guilty.
What's wrong with being old and white? Are you racist/agist?
NFC Offensive Player of the Week. 3rd time this year.
Anyone that watched that replay lastnight and doesn't think Vick is the league MVP over Brady is insane. Kill whitey.
Pam Oliver talks to Celek/Maclin/Jackson/Vick. They all say they look up to Vick. Can you imagine this video minus Vick and plus Mcnabb? Me either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZwzH6W0qeU
I know I should be used to it by now, but sometimes I have to step back and realize how utterly ridiculous it is that Vick is the QB and how he's played and taken over this team. I can't even think back to what my reaction would have been in 2007 if anyone told me this was how things would unfold.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 22, 2010, 12:00:21 PM
I know I should be used to it by now, but sometimes I have to step back and realize how utterly ridiculous it is that Vick is the QB and how he's played and taken over this team. I can't even think back to what my reaction would have been in 2007 if anyone told me this was how things would unfold.
Forget 2007, I've been thinking that just this year. I full on admit I didn't want him starting but that was when the plan was still to play Kolb through the year and see how he'd develop and if he'd be the QB going forward (which I was on board with and was prepared for a down year). No one saw this season unfolding as it has. Vick the QB (now)>>>>>>>Vick the throwing RB (Atlanta)
I like this post from a Vick v Brady MVP debate
QuoteThe MVP is Clay Matthews. If it wasn't for him, all of us Eagles would be watching medicore-at best football looking forward to next season.[/quote\]
Yes, I could vote for Clay.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 22, 2010, 12:37:52 PM
I like this post from a Vick v Brady MVP debate
QuoteThe MVP is Clay Matthews. If it wasn't for him, all of us Eagles would be watching medicore-at best football looking forward to next season.[/quote\]
Yes, I could vote for Clay.
:-D
Quote from: SD on December 22, 2010, 11:26:51 AM
Pam Oliver talks to Celek/Maclin/Jackson/Vick. They all say they look up to Vick. Can you imagine this video minus Vick and plus Mcnabb? Me either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZwzH6W0qeU
How the farg can you play in the NFL at 165lb? Jackson is off the globe.
I thought Jackson was 175 lbs? He's still off the universe
running for 200+ yards in a game makes you sweat.
I don't know if he'd weigh in at 175 with pads on.
I'd say more like 155
Obama called Lurie to thank him for giving Vick a second chance:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Obama-calls-Eagles-owner-to-congraulate-him-for-?urn=nfl-300632
what?!?
what the farg does he care?
I love the picture they use for this article too, I'm sure it was accidental:
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__30/ept_sports_nfl_experts-175506787-1293459235.jpg?ymkMjTEDzXqU2Nn0)
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
what?!?
what the farg does he care?
America is the land of second chances apparently.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
what?!?
what the farg does he care?
who cares anger monger....as long as it shines a better light on the eagles
how attractive a place is novacare right about now
this is awesome positive publicity that you cant put a price on
Obama said he likes the wind turbine stuff too
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
what?!?
what the farg does he care?
Hawaii, beach, kids enjoying the water, trade winds, palm trees swaying, sun glistening off the deep blue pacific ocean.
"Gee, think I'll give Jeffrey a call".
Are you inviting me to your homo shack in Hawaii?
IN
It's an "open" invitation.
thank god we can now stop the ridiculous mvp talk...and especially the chants
He got absolutely no blocking at all tonight yet you're actually going to assign blame to Vick?
You're a farging clown, dude, and not like a clown in a good sense. More like a clown who rapes children in bad 70s horror flicks.
the line has been horrible all year....if you are going to suck the guys dick when he plays well behind a bad line then you must criticize when he throws seven balls into the stomach of defenders behind a bad line
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 01:33:50 AM
the line has been horrible all year....if you are going to suck the guys dick when he plays well behind a bad line then you must criticize when he throws seven balls into the stomach of defenders behind a bad line
Could not agree more. The only reason we're even seeing Vick this year is because the line is such an abortion. Kolb's statued ass would be comatose right now behind it.
If you're going to praise Vick behind this awful line you have to criticize when he chokes on cock behind it too.
After a blazing hot start, we've started to see a little of the old Vick over the last month with the ints and fumbles. Ints are going to happen but he really needs to keep that ball secure, especially when he's on the move.
i'm not saying that he should be absolved of any and all blame, especially last night...but the dude is being destroyed in the pocket because of the coach and oline. i give him some leeway with losing some accuracy and being a little quicker to run.
He's starting to take off too fast and not letting the pocket develop like he did in ATL. Of course, lastnight he was in run for his life mode and the coaching staff didn't do him any favors by designing every other play to get thrown 30 yards down field. Still...when there was a pocket he took off instead of stepping up and making a play.
I honestly didn't see a pocket more than a handful of times last night. The protection was even worse than usual.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
He's starting to take off too fast and not letting the pocket develop like he did in ATL.
this is true...i think he got a taste of being superman in the second half last week and now just wants to fire up the jet packs on his legs every play
i cant even count how many times last night he made his drop and then in a one count or less started to do that hop lean and look to run thing
again terrible line and they deserve more of the blame than vick of course but he wasnt even giving it any chance at all
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 29, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
I honestly didn't see a pocket more than a handful of times last night. The protection was even worse than usual.
The Vikes rushed more than 4 almost every play. When they weren't bringing the corner blitz there were times when he had a decent pocket, but not once did he step up and make a play, he looked for a crease and took off or rolled out. It was probably easier to see from my seat on the 40 yard line then it was with the NBC cameras up his ass every play.
No, it was probably easier to see on camera.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/29/tucker-carlson-michael-vick-should-have-been-executed/ (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/29/tucker-carlson-michael-vick-should-have-been-executed/)
:-D
I was just saying last night that I wish Obama would have stayed out of it. All it does is invite political douchebaggery into something that should be completely unrelated.
That is political douchebaggery at its finest there.
the biggest thing i took from that video is how much a nerd Tucker Carlson is and that he was probably abused daily by jocks in school because he has a severe jealousy towards athletes
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 29, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
I honestly didn't see a pocket more than a handful of times last night. The protection was even worse than usual.
The Vikes rushed more than 4 almost every play. When they weren't bringing the corner blitz there were times when he had a decent pocket, but not once did he step up and make a play, he looked for a crease and took off or rolled out. It was probably easier to see from my seat on the 40 yard line then it was with the NBC cameras up his ass every play.
at this point they are going to have to abandon the roll out play action because coaches have the right defensive end pretty much stationary at this point-- waiting for the turn around bootleg or they angle a cornerback blitz to make him go inside the pocket. he goes right maybe once or twice a game--not good.
also, going 3-wide majority of the time doesnt help matters either because you have less guys to get open with a collapsing pocket. I cant understand for the amount of times this team is in shotgun they dont utilize more of a spread 4 for quick throws or hot reads to counter the blitz. hell, it might not make them blitz at all.
Andy is saying that Vick may not be able to get back from injury for Sunday, even if the game meant something.
that's all you need to know about him playing Sunday
Reese, you honestly don't think hot reads are a part of the offense?
you're kidding me with this question right?
Quote from: lurking wierdo on December 29, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
Reese, you honestly don't think hot reads are a part of the offense?
not last night apparently.
Even when Vick was't getting sacked or running he was getting a good ole' fashioned beat down, getting hit on nearly every play it seemed.
What do you mean by that Reese? I can't hear your inflection on my blackberry.
try harder
Quote from: SunMo on December 29, 2010, 12:08:26 PM
Andy is saying that Vick may not be able to get back from injury for Sunday, even if the game meant something.
that's all you need to know about him playing Sunday
hes of course going to give his qb an excuse...thats what he does...altho in the post game presser last night he called out akers hard...especially considering he protected the rest of the team
im not saying vick isnt bruised but he was moving around just fine all game...there isnt a single doubt that he plays sunday if its a meaningful game
Samuel ran around fine in the first game against the Giants too... and then missed the next 3 games, which all meant something. Just sayin.
samuel had a knee injury...thats a lot different than a charlie horse
ah FOX News
QuoteFox analyst Tucker Carlson says Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick "should have been executed" for his role in a dogfighting ring.
Carlson was guest hosting for Sean Hannity's show Tuesday night on Fox News Channel when he made the remarks. He led a panel discussion about President Barack Obama commending the owner of the Eagles for giving Vick a second chance after his release from prison.
Vick served 18 months in federal prison for running a dogfighting ring.
Carlson says, "Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did [it] in a heartless and cruel way."
Carlson added, "I think personally he should have been executed for that."
Carlson, a conservative commentator, is angry that Obama told Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie he believes people who have paid for their crimes should have the opportunity to contribute to society again.
Oh Ed.
this is getting to be like seeing jordan on the wizards
obviously the GOP tried to get vick's support during the mid terms and he turned them down.
Reid called out Akers?
More on the Akers call out please. Missed that.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 29, 2010, 04:41:49 PM
ah FOX News
QuoteFox analyst Tucker Carlson says Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick "should have been executed" for his role in a dogfighting ring.
Carlson was guest hosting for Sean Hannity's show Tuesday night on Fox News Channel when he made the remarks. He led a panel discussion about President Barack Obama commending the owner of the Eagles for giving Vick a second chance after his release from prison.
Vick served 18 months in federal prison for running a dogfighting ring.
Carlson says, "Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did [it] in a heartless and cruel way."
Carlson added, "I think personally he should have been executed for that."
Carlson, a conservative commentator, is angry that Obama told Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie he believes people who have paid for their crimes should have the opportunity to contribute to society again.
When I kill dogs, I do it in a rainbows and unicorns way
at the post game presser reid was doing his usual...we all have to get better starting with me...every unit has to come out to practice this week and address their problems....that includes all the coaches as well...went on and on with this...
then in describing some of the game out of nowhere hes like "then your all pro kicker kicks one out of bounds"
Quote from: Buzz BissingerI have a dog love my dog etc. But a dog's life does not trump a human life, unless inner city black. Then whites say--what do you expect?
Quote from: Buzz BissingerIf Michael Vick had tortured Tucker Carlson to death, what would the sentence be. I hope a farging parade.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 30, 2010, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: Buzz BissingerIf Michael Vick had tortured Tucker Carlson to death, what would the sentence be. I hope a farging parade.
haa. winner.
This has gone national, with every media outlet I've heard blasting Carlson. On B-more radio They're laughing at him saying in one breath that he's a Christian, and then in the next breath saying Vick should be exectued. Fox News lost whatever little bit of cred it had with this, and not firing this idiot on the spot looks really bad. How can they feel this nut job has an ounce of credibility left?
Tucker Carlson had credibility?
LOL
Is Shorebird ever any less fewer than 2 or 3 days late on anything? This thing 'went national' within hours of the comment.
Dial up sucks, bro.
No, Commodore 64's do.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2010, 07:21:57 AM
Tucker Carlson had credibility?
LOL
last time i heard this twat he was coddling bubba the love sponge's nuts.
Amazingly, this douchebag has taken all of the attention away from Obama's ill-advised call to Lurie (or at least the ill-advised publicity around the call). So thanks, Tucker!
i honestly had no idea he was still on television. after jon stewart wrecked his ass (and paul begala's) on crossfire i thought they sent him packing permanently. shockingly, though, there's still a place for his ilk on faux news.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
i honestly had no idea he was still on television.
i dont think he is...unless hes gotten show that i havent heard about...all he does now is the occasional interview....which is why he made the comment to begin with - so he could become relevant again...he used to be a failry centrist republican and i actually respected him at one point...now hes just another casualty of the maniacal direction that the right has moved where you are not welcome unless you are hate mongering zealot...im thinking his goal in all of this is to become another glenn beck type and get his own show out of it
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 31, 2010, 07:58:14 AM
Is Shorebird ever any less fewer than 2 or 3 days late on anything? This thing 'went national' within hours of the comment.
Maybe I should have Twittered it, you'd have seen it sooner.
Domowitch says very little of value in this piece from the Captain Obvious genre, except... (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110107_Paul_Domowitch__Vick_probably_playing_for_franchise_tag.html)
(not so) THINLY VEILED 5 SHOT!
QuoteThey've been impressed by his leadership skills, which are head and shoulders above Donovan McNabb's.
flecter smith just said domowitch best shut his trap.
my mom has better leadership skills than mcnabb and shes been dead for 7 years
Kobe sent Mike a signed jersey telling him to "Be epic." News.
so kobe hates philly but loves their qb?
(http://my.lakers.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/blog_0901kobeeagles.jpg)
Well, one thing is certain from that picture. He loves him sum Jesus.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2011, 01:57:33 PM
so kobe hates philly but loves their qb?
no he hates philly and hates dogs too
Quote
"There has been an evolution in the way defenses have played him," one league personnel man said. "Initially, they played a lot of zone with people looking back at him. Now, there's been a clear change to pressure and making him play out of structure.
Well, no friggen' shtein! Think that has anything to do with an o-line that blows grits?
Imo, if the Eagles ever get a line that can give Vick protection, theres no telling how good he can be.
Or a running game to compliment and set up the big play :boom
can we please stop making excuses for vick
Be Epic
Thanks Kobe
farg off
Eagles fans
It took almost the whole year but Vick really isn't much more than what we thought he was from the beginning. His form has improved and he's still dynamic, but he just isn't the superstar that he looked like for 2/3 of the season. This farging team makes me so angry.
So in all seriousness is Mike Vick an Eagle next year?
well they dont make the playoffs this year without him so Id say so.
but I was wrong about mcnabb coming back so who knows what the hell this FO is thinking
Quote from: mussa on January 10, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
So in all seriousness is Mike Vick an Eagle next year?
I hope so.
There is no way IMO Kolb can produce behind the line, so I can't see Vick going anywhere. He is the best chance for fatty to still have the job in Philly so while I love Vick, I also hate him for making Andy look good.
I'm on board with Vick. I like his intangibles and his arm strength. They need to improve the O-line. Didinger on post game hit the nail on the head and that is they rely too much on him to do everything. No running game and no O-line which basically puts the team on his shoulders.
shocking
Whitlock defends Vick, goes after Peyton (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/michael-vick-peyton-manning-nfl-who-is-the-more-mature-quarterback-010911)
QuoteJoe Montana had Bill Walsh. Tom Brady has Bill Belichick. Terry Bradshaw had Chuck Noll. John Elway had Mike Shanahan. Troy Aikman had Jimmy Johnson. Bart Starr had Vince Lombardi.
And Michael Vick has Andy Reid :puke :puke :puke
The impressive progression from last season to this season, makes me want the Eagles to at least use the franchise tag on Vick.
Yeah, Vick reverted to "old vick" in the last few games but look what he did in the few games before that when the oline was actually giving him a little bit of time. He was standing back there and making ridiculously accurate throws. As long as the portection improves next year, we should get more good then bad from Vick. But you keep him because if the protection does suck, he gives you a much better chance than run backwards and throw it at the ground Kolb.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Vick didn't return next year.
I wonder who the top suitors would be? Vikings? Panthers? 49ers? Seahawks? shtein, taterskins?
Whoever is willing to throw a shteinload of money at him that's guaranteed without a lot of stipulations.
Reids comments didn't sound very committal.
Maybe the Eagles should preemptively offer Washington Kolb for a 2nd and a 4th that could become a 3rd.
There's some talk it's possible there won't be a franchise tag next year.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 11, 2011, 04:54:41 AM
There's some talk it's possible there won't be a franchise tag next year.
That is the only reason why Reid would be non-committal. Slam dunk if there is one.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6012817 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6012817)
Sounds like a guy that isn't going anywhere.
you're right...kolb will be here.
last year after they lost donovan said they had a great season
so for one guy its not enough, for the other its great and its air guitars and plexi glass humps and no i will never get over that
That is an incoherent mess. Stay off the tequila.
make me you sober queer
In case you missed it Vick was on with Eskin and Reese yesterday, here's the podcast:
Link (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dW/dJ/dC/dQ/WJCQ_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561350623736500996_3Xgs4ajMP37OOVQQ5zM6WI6PdM&podcast_name=1.11.11+Eagles+Qb+Mike+Vick&podcast_artist=Howard+Eskin+%26amp;+Ike+Reese&station_id=60&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.PHILLY)
Never thought I'd say it, but Vick really sounds like he has his head on straight. He gets it, especially as far as football. Really not a trace of all the pre-fab cliche and all the right things he was coached to say. He's genuine and spot on.
I was glad to hear he thought it was the right thing to go for the pass to Cooper, only it was a bad pass. That was always my thought - they had a good match up if they could exploit it and if you have a chance to ice the game you do it. Don't let up on the D and let them regroup by spiking the ball.
If the Eagles won with Vick making a good pass to Cooper, people would be singing his praises and a great majority of those who criticized the decision would be first in joining the chorus.
Michael Vick, Comeback Player of the Year
Least surprising news ever.
Not true...I was less surprised when somebody told me you're an icehole
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/QBEagles/1269192864381.jpg)
Quote from: SD on January 12, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
In case you missed it Vick was on with Eskin and Reese yesterday, here's the podcast:
Link (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dW/dJ/dC/dQ/WJCQ_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561350623736500996_3Xgs4ajMP37OOVQQ5zM6WI6PdM&podcast_name=1.11.11+Eagles+Qb+Mike+Vick&podcast_artist=Howard+Eskin+%26amp;+Ike+Reese&station_id=60&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.PHILLY)
wait, you're prmoting the enemy's afternoon show ?
I don't intern at the Fanatic anymore.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 12, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
I was glad to hear he thought it was the right thing to go for the pass to Cooper, only it was a bad pass. That was always my thought - they had a good match up if they could exploit it and if you have a chance to ice the game you do it. Don't let up on the D and let them regroup by spiking the ball.
I dont see how they think their rookie #4 WR being covered by a good starting corner in Tramon Williams was a good matchup. Tramon was one of the league leaders in passes defended and had 5 picks. How is this a good matchup for the Eagles? There was still plenty of time on the clock to get things done and get ball in the hands of Jackson, Maclin or McCoy and move down the field for a score.
because size is the only thing that matters in the NFL and Cooper is taller, therefore it's one of the best matchups you can get.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 12, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
I was glad to hear he thought it was the right thing to go for the pass to Cooper, only it was a bad pass. That was always my thought - they had a good match up if they could exploit it and if you have a chance to ice the game you do it. Don't let up on the D and let them regroup by spiking the ball.
I dont see how they think their rookie #4 WR being covered by a good starting corner in Tramon Williams was a good matchup. Tramon was one of the league leaders in passes defended and had 5 picks. How is this a good matchup for the Eagles? There was still plenty of time on the clock to get things done and get ball in the hands of Jackson, Maclin or McCoy and move down the field for a score.
exactly...it was a horrible match up
X and O wise it was the correct read.....but it was a terrible situation to be in having to trust riley farging cooper with the season on the line...and im not excusing the throw by any means which was obviously poor...but how bad was the effort by cooper to come back and play defense on the ball even just a little
Quote from: Dillen on January 15, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
because size is the only thing that matters in the NFL and Cooper is taller, therefore it's one of the best matchups you can get.
size is good if you are throwing it up to randy moss or dwayne bowe....size is not good is you are hoping a riley cooper or hank baskett come down with the ball
oh really?
oh my bad....i see now you were being sacastic there....not something you are adept at pulling off btw....leave that to romeys of the world...or get game tight then try again
It was a terrible decision, and an even worse pass, but I'm not ready to give up on him or trade him because of it. He played to damned good up 'till that point, especially considering what he had blocking for him. Without him there wouldn't have been a division championship, or playoffs, or even a .500 record. Get this man some help up front and see what this offense can really do. Hell, according to all accounts, this is the first year he'd ever studied a playbook, or looked at film. Get some help on the offensive line, franchise him, pay him what imo is a bargin price @ 5 mil. and roll with him for another year. I don't know why anyone who's an Eagle fan wouldn't want to see that happen.
franchise number for a qb would be closer to 20 million, shore.
Shore must be just coming off a bender from new years eve because Im pretty sure everyone is all on board with Vick.
yeah, 5 million would be bargain. I do not however have any idea where you got that from.
Well, believe it or not, I meant to type 15, but oh well. Also, it's not the general feeling around here to trade Vick, although I'd thought I'd seen the possibility brought up at one point after the last game. I was just saying that this team, right now, is a lot better off with him than without him.
After the game I had suggested franchising and trading him. The last month or so of the season I saw him regress back to his Atl days and I'm not sold on him being a SB caliber QB if he's going to keep playing like that. Of course, when the Eagles resign him (and they will) I'm not going to hate the decision.
Regressed all the way back to when he was a Pro Bowler.
Its hard to tell if the guy was really regressing back or the line was just getting progressively worse.
It did seem that he got a lot less ballsy standing there in the pocket from the beginning of the season because of the accumulating injuries and he took off.
Quote from: paco on September 15, 2010, 03:14:52 PM
Clearly, he is the second coming of Brett Favre.
I know this is a week late, but he threw an ill advised pass that was intercepted to end a playoff game. I'm a seer.
Quote from: Rome on January 18, 2011, 09:58:56 AM
Regressed all the way back to when he was a Pro Bowler.
Please. When he was in Atl and going to Hawaii and grabbing a lot of headlines and highlight reels, damn near everyone on this board was killing him and saying how overrated he was and that he wasn't an all around QB. He's still a much better QB now than he was in Atl, but I saw a lot of the "old Vick" during the last 4 or 5 weeks of the season.
Quote from: reese125 on January 18, 2011, 10:13:16 AM
Its hard to tell if the guy was really regressing back or the line was just getting progressively worse.
It did seem that he got a lot less ballsy standing there in the pocket from the beginning of the season because of the accumulating injuries and he took off.
It very well could have been contributed to the O-line's play. But as the season wore on, his accuracy seemed to tail off a bit as did his decision making. I've done a complete 180 on the guy since the start of the season and have no problem saying I'm a fan. And it's not like I even want the Eagles to trade him, really just throwing it out there for discussion.
Simple answer. Bitch was scared. He was tired of running. Tired of being hit. It got to him. I don't blame him, with 100 million on the line...shtein...my peeing accuracy would have been affected. Get him a line, he gets 'us' a ring.
Chuggie nailed it cold.
Weird.
Chuggie nails everything cold because corpses don't put up much of a fight.
Quote from: hbionic on January 18, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
Simple answer. Bitch was scared. He was tired of running. Tired of being hit. It got to him. I don't blame him, with 100 million on the line...shtein...my peeing accuracy would have been affected. Get him a line, he gets 'us' a ring.
this is on point...
it is also his MO his entire career. it wont change, good OL or not. You sign him long term means you accept that he's going to break down at the end of most years. it's just his style of play. 18 games is not going to bode well for Mr Vick
Quote from: charlie on January 18, 2011, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: hbionic on January 18, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
Simple answer. Bitch was scared. He was tired of running. Tired of being hit. It got to him. I don't blame him, with 100 million on the line...shtein...my peeing accuracy would have been affected. Get him a line, he gets 'us' a ring.
this is on point...
it is also his MO his entire career. it wont change, good OL or not. You sign him long term means you accept that he's going to break down at the end of most years. it's just his style of play. 18 games is not going to bode well for Mr Vick
This is pretty much what I was getting at when I mentioned the idea of trading him. After a nice offseason, I could easily see him starting off next year the way that he started this year, but then start to regress again around week 10. The one thing I like about him though is that he shows up in big moments/big games. He's not scared of the moment.
(Thinly veiled 5 shot)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 18, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
(Thinly veiled 5 shot)
Sadly, I knew what this said before I checked to make sure.
I don't know, I also revert back to the play callers putting him in position to win. He was getting killed, with little no adjustment from his coaches. Not even an extra blocker, time and time again. That weighs on your mind, it effects your game. Tom Brady can't play behind that line and or play callers. I'm sorry, its way too easy to blame Vick solely on this. The guy was doing fantastic until Chicago exposed the offense(which was going to happen at some point). Then teams had a blue print. Problem was, Reid and Co. didn't change their game plan, regardless of how terrible the line was, they go for the big play. Its pretty simple. No oline, no big play. No run game, no big play.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 18, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
I'm not sold on him being a SB caliber QB if he's going to keep playing like that.
theres no such thing as a superbowl caliber qb anymore....in todays watered down nfl almost any qb can win a title....having one of the few great qb's gives you an advantage of course...but having an average qb doesnt preclude you from winning it all...and vick is most certainly above average...in other words you are nuts if you arent sold on him being good enough to win a sb
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 18, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
I'm not sold on him being a SB caliber QB if he's going to keep playing like that.
theres no such thing as a superbowl caliber qb anymore....in todays watered down nfl almost any qb can win a title....having one of the few great qb's gives you an advantage of course...but having an average qb doesnt preclude you from winning it all...and vick is most certainly above average...in other words you are nuts if you arent sold on him being good enough to win a sb
Fair point.
http://www.gcobb.com/2011/01/20/report-eagles-must-franchise-michael-vick/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
QuoteReport: Eagles Must Franchise Michael Vick
Philly.com is reporting that the Eagles can't negotiate with Michael Vick on a new contract. They've got to franchise him then try to work out a deal afterward. Here's what they had to say:
"I've written this a few times now, but nobody in the media seems to have noticed. RE Michael Vick and a new contract: My understanding is the Eagles HAVE to franchise him, though they then could work out a new longer-term deal, once they have done so.
Why? Because Vick's incentives met in 2010 pushed his salary more than 30 percent beyond what he got in 2009, ELIMINATING THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING THE DEAL. I have this from an excellent source.
So no, the Eagles are not negotiating with Vick on a new contract. THEY ARE GOING TO FRANCHISE HIM. Then they might be able to work on a longer deal."
There was something mentioned about that on PFT yesterday and if I read it correctly they will be able to Franchise him before the current CBA expires.
Mikey Miss did an interview with Vick yesterday and Vick said that he'll play under the franchise tag if that's all he goes into next season with.
Damn straight he will. If he starts getting cocky and making demands, the whole world will come down on his head.
Will be awarded the Maxwell Club's Bert Bell award.
All in good time Ron Mexico, all in good time...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
Mikey Miss did an interview with Vick yesterday and Vick said that he'll play under the franchise tag if that's all he goes into next season with.
http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/eagles/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10194556
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 20, 2011, 10:42:12 PMhttp://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/eagles/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10194556
So Missanelli asked Vick if DeSean Jackson is a young pup that needs to be hit on the nose sometimes?
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/QBEagles/wtf_man.jpg)
Vick endorses pads (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6058831)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6073930
Eagles tagging Vick, listening to offers for Kolb
I would be kind of surprised if they trade Kolb.
unless andy doubts his future as a starting qb in this league...which is possible after all he sees him in practice every day...it would be really dumb to trade cobb for anything less than a top 20 overall pick...theres just no reason to do it
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 30, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
I would be kind of surprised if they trade Kolb.
I wouldn't. Teams are desperate for QBs, the Eagles have an extra one that is in demand, the Eagles need the pieces to rebuild their whole defense, and there's a distinct possibility that Kolb isn't even really all that good.
Of course he could go somewhere else and have a HOF career like a Steve Young or Brett Favre, but at some point you gotta run the odds that it won't happen.
Doesn't mean I endorse the idea but I wouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
unless andy doubts his future as a starting qb in this league...which is possible after all he sees him in practice every day...it would be really dumb to trade cobb for anything less than a top 20 overall pick...theres just no reason to do it
if you are long terming vick you take your best offer and get something, anything for him (generally from the afc)
if you are still unsure of vick then yea, hold on for top 20
Quote from: MDS on January 30, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
unless andy doubts his future as a starting qb in this league...which is possible after all he sees him in practice every day...it would be really dumb to trade cobb for anything less than a top 20 overall pick...theres just no reason to do it
if you are long terming vick you take your best offer and get something, anything for him (generally from the afc)
lets just all be happy that you are not the eagles GM
they need like 9 new starters on the defense...some draft picks would help
sign a backup qb to hold the fort down when vick misses a few games
challenging stuff.
I believe they can get a #1 for him and I would ship his ass out.
Tennessee
Minnesota
Arizona
Cleveland
Miami
Buffalo
Carolina
San Francisco
All viable landing spots
You believe they can get #1 what for him?
Draft pick - what else? Foam finger?
I like foam fingers. You really think the Eagles could get one of them for Kolb? That'd be super awesome.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
I believe they can get a #1 for him and I would ship his ass out.
Tennessee
Minnesota
Arizona
Cleveland
Miami
Buffalo
Carolina
San Francisco
All viable landing spots
i love this is said so bitterly...ship his ass out
you are donovans bff and kolb is the hot young thing the eagles farged on the side and eventually gave into and ran away with. then vick comes along and is the second, true love of the eagles lives and youre all cool with them again so long as its not that homewrecking funhole slut kevin kolb.
amiright
No Todd, you're not right.
Let it go. Do you have a 5 voodoo doll?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
I believe they can get a #1 for him and I would ship his ass out.
Tennessee
Minnesota
Arizona
Cleveland
Miami
Buffalo
Carolina
San Francisco
All viable landing spots
I don't see Cleveland or Buffalo as viable.
Why not?
Is there a window the Eagles can trade Kolb, like after the SB up until the current CBA runs out which I think is March 3rd.
Well, farg. No idea. I was just going to ask you the same question.
I haven't seen exactly where the rule comes from, but from what I've read secondhand, nope. No trades involving existing player contracts are permitted. Which means if you think the Eagles are going to trade Kolb for a first round draft pick, the Eagles cannot do so without a new CBA in place.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
Why not?
Because I think Holmgren is sold on Colt McCoy and Gailey with Fitzpartrick.
And QB is right, no trades until there is a new CB agreement.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 30, 2011, 04:14:02 PM
I haven't seen exactly where the rule comes from, but from what I've read secondhand, nope. No trades involving existing player contracts are permitted. Which means if you think the Eagles are going to trade Kolb for a first round draft pick, the Eagles cannot do so without a new CBA in place.
This is true. But are there any rules in place that would prevent teams from negotiating (informally agreeing) to terms of a trade prior to a new CBA and just waiting until the CBA is active before executing the deal?
I guess it would be allowed, but:
- there probably won't be a new deal prior to the draft
- given the option, I think owners would like to know what the new CBA says before agreeing to take on another player's contract
It's also possible that the owners have privately decided amongst themselves to not pursue any trades during this period, as a sort of prelude to the lockout.
Yeah, I don't think there's any way the Eagles get a 2011 draft pick for Kolb. Any deal would probably be for 2012 and beyond.
Vick finished 2nd in Offensive POY voting to Brady......got 11 first-place votes while Tom got 21
Brady deserved it, he played lights out the last half of the season, or since when they canned Moss.
AP Comeback Player of the Year.
What a surprise.
"Now that's a big surprise... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from that surprise..." - Iago
So, I am watching the "Puppy Bowl" on Animal Planet. I was thinking it would be funny if Vick was the pre-game analyst.
The Dallas mayor pro tem gave Vick an unofficial key to the city, for some reason.
Yeah, I read about that. He cited Vick as a role model, an example of turning your life around, etc.
I'm sure the people of Dallas love it.
Then he reneged on the key giving and said he didn't sanction it
Is it an election year?
here's the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Ra0J-V7ZM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Ra0J-V7ZM&feature=player_embedded)
doesnt exactly paint him in the greatest light..
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 08, 2011, 09:54:49 AM
Then he reneged on the key giving and said he didn't sanction it
Not exactly. The mayor never had anything to do with it, and he said as much. The mayor pro tem (a council member - more like the "vice" mayor) did it on his own.
Still, it pissed off Dallas fans, so it's good.
The guy who led the investigation against Vick gives his $.02 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6113459)
QuoteBJ smelled the death of the dogs on my pants.
I can't think of a better sentence to end an article with than this one. I suggest all journalists (even you, Todd) end every story with this line.
Lets Go Cubs!
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3771811-417/should-mark-buehrle-have-wished-ill-will-upon-michael-vick.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3771811-417/should-mark-buehrle-have-wished-ill-will-upon-michael-vick.html)
I love dogs so much that I'm going to wish injury on someone over their abuse!
Brilliant.
Buerhle's wife is waaaaaaaaaaaaay into dogs. The dude is just trying to get laid. I got a (non-Eagle fan) friend in the same boat. He thinks Vick served his time, but if he would express that opinion at home, it would be no sex for a while.
A buddy of mine is the same way. He compares his farging dogs to other people's children. After the Eagles signed Vick he and his wife made a spectacle of themselves on Facebook expressing outrage and vowing never to watch or cheer for the Eagles again.
Over dogs.
White people are funny.
What I want to know is why Pit Bulls are any more precious than cows or pigs. If Vick also ate the dogs after killing them, would it be ok?
I love red meat.
It's not that he killed them, it's how he killed them. At least that's the only thing I can come up with between hunting/slaughtering animals for food and what he did. Cows and pigs and chickens and deer aren't strangled or drowned or electrocuted or rape-posted.
Really? We're still stuck on the whole "What's the difference between killing dogs or cow or hunting deer?" thing? I know Freddie's making a terrible joke but I still hear it from other places from time to time. Seriously, if you really have to ask that question then you're some kind of whole new stupid.
i would argue that industrial sized slaughter houses are as bad or worse than anything any of vicks people did to those ...the difference in the two is that dogs are pets and people are stupid
Slaughter houses are far from "ethical" in the way they treat/kill their animals, but it's still not quite as bad as fighting dogs and then tourturing them to death. The only real difference imo is that the slaughtered cows and pigs serve a purpose and feed thousands of people. The dogs were strictly for entertainment. And while I'm not saying that the ends justify the means in regards to slaughter houses, but it does make the slightest bit of difference when trying to make a distinction between the two.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2011, 10:57:03 AM
i would argue that industrial sized slaughter houses are as bad or worse than anything any of vicks people did to those ...the difference in the two is that dogs are pets and people are stupid
igy nailed it.
he sure as farg did.
i don't care about the cow or chicken i eat anymore than the dogs that vick slaughtered. yeah, what he did was evil and horrible, but take a trip to a chicken processing center and tell me the fargs who own & run those places are any less demented.
farg it. i heart cheeseburgers.
can we stop talking about What Vick Did
im over it, youre over it, we're all over it. except for a few choice animal nutjobs LET IT GO
i think we can squeeze another eight or ten pages over it.
ready... go.
Quote from: Rome on February 13, 2011, 11:35:38 AM
he sure as farg did.
i don't care about the cow or chicken i eat anymore than the dogs that vick slaughtered. yeah, what he did was evil and horrible, but take a trip to a chicken processing center and tell me the fargs who own & run those places are any less demented.
farg it. i heart cheeseburgers.
Ever see Food Inc.?
It's a heartwarming film.
In related news, the only local place that can make a decent cheesesteak or chicken cheesesteak disappointed me more than usual today. But I didn't waste a speck of it anyway, so the cow was not brutally slaughtered in vain.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2011, 10:57:03 AM
i would argue that industrial sized slaughter houses are as bad or worse than anything any of vicks people did to those ...the difference in the two is that dogs are pets and people are stupid
You're exactly right and anyone who says there is a difference has never been to a slaughterhouse or a farm were steers are butchered. How about the kosher slaughter houses like Rubashkin's in Nebraska? They stick the steers head through a hole in the wall and the other side has a big clamp that holds the steers head up for easy access to it's neck, and then the butcher takes a huge knife and slices the steers neck so the blood drains all out before they butcher it. If you think you have a strong stomach, youtube anything about a slaughterhouse.
Mark Buehrle should think about something like that before eating a cheeseburger and then wishing injury on Vick.
The livestock question is a great one. Same difference, right?
Not to me.
The suffering experienced by livestock at wholesale slaughter houses is real, I grant that, but it is also not intended. It's a by-product of the job at hand, which is to kill animals.
Though killing dogs is not the point of dog fighting, it is part of the gig. Think of it this way: killing fighting dogs is kind of like killing race horses. If you're gonna race horses, you're gonna have to kill some horses. So the fact that dogs are getting killed is a by product of the enterprise.
So far so good.
But what Vick did was not just part of the business. He tortured dogs to death, by a variety of methods. It took imagination and extra energy to kill them the way that he did. The only reason I can fathom for doing that is that it pleased him to cause them pain. Made him feel in control or something. That's disturbing.
If a guy at a slaughterhouse was found to be killing livestock with cordless drills and pitchforks, I'd be just as repulsed. It's the pathology that's so horrifying, not the actual deeds.
Meh. He served his time. I wish him well.
Bunch of goddamn philosophers up in here.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 13, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
But what Vick did was not just part of the business. He tortured dogs to death, by a variety of methods. It took imagination and extra energy to kill them the way that he did. The only reason I can fathom for doing that is that it pleased him to cause them pain. Made him feel in control or something. That's disturbing.
Pretty much. It's why everyone remembers Hitler killing 6 million jews but a lot of Americas forget Joe Steel killing 40 million of his own people. Cause he wasn't going out of his way to find new and interesting methods to do it.
Vick did his time, it's time to move on now. I love dogs probably more than anyone else here and I never gave a farg about what he did when he signed here. Nothing you can do to change it.
So now we are comparing slaughterhouses to Vicks actions. Jesus christ.
This CBA thing needs to get straightened out quick.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 13, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
The livestock question is a great one. Same difference, right?
Not to me.
The suffering experienced by livestock at wholesale slaughter houses is real, I grant that, but it is also not intended.
lol...its not intended...what its by accident?
there are probably 100 ways to humanely kill livestock in order to produce food...instead for nothing more than profit they choose some of the most horrific ways to do it....do i care...no i dont...but lets not pretend that it isnt just as bad if not worse than what vicks peoples did and its on an infinitely larger scale
this isnt about intent and you are fooling yourself if you think it is...its all about a house pet dying rather than a farm or wild animal...of course a young cocky rich black kid behind the whole thing is a big issue as well but we dont need to get into that
You would bring race into it.
Whoever did this would be getting his image raped no matter what his race is. Just look at Big Ben. Dude didn't even get convicted and people call him a rapist and wish harm on him.
omfg is anyone watching sportscenter right now and this women bawling over vick
and how amazing is lj avery
I just saw the clip. Holy shtein lady. Get it together.
Come to think of it, Seabiscuit and I had the same reaction when we met for the first time.
Details on the crazy chick...
trying to describe it with a keyboard wouldnt do it justice.....watch sc tonight or tomorrow and im sure it will be on again
and lj avery was way better than the woman
There are people alive both today and in the past that have done much, much worse to animals both domestic and wild since man started walking upright. Just because he's a celebrity in a dog loving nation doesn't mean he's any different than what we all have inside us. He is human. Now please, STFU.
when i agree with mussa you KNOW its the right side of the argument....now excuse me while i go shower
make sure you get all up in them creases and folds slim
all three chins will be cleansed
Quote from: Don Ho on February 13, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Come to think of it, Seabiscuit and I had the same reaction when we met for the first time.
It was like i met a long lost friend thru time. And we rocked phils shirts to see a football game. Brilliant.
oh good god that is the worst thing ive ever heard
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 13, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Details on the crazy chick...
WTF? ESPN didn't show it at all tonight after showing it earlier today.
Some lady dressed up in Vick Eagles jersey was screaming when they introduced him at the signing. She was all excited but not to the point of Justin Bieber teeny bop psycho. They interviewed her later and she was hysterical. Tears, couldn't talk, hyper ventilating, etc.
Quote from: MDS on February 13, 2011, 11:35:43 PM
oh good god that is the worst thing ive ever heard
You've heard much worse on this board. Just wait until the Phils first losing streak this season.
If anyone hasn't seen it (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6119466&categoryid=2378529)
Holy farg that lady was nuts.
The other lady whose shoulder she is crying on has that "is this bitch fargin serious" look.
Old black women do the best overreactions. A close second is old Italian women.
i found the second guy they talked to much better...look at that hair
Vick is gonna be on Oprah
jealous
Would you rather have Vick on you?
He wishes he was on Oprah
So many choices... I agree that we will need clarification.
Vick on twitter
QuoteProud to be an Eagle . 2011 will be a huge success !
(http://www.h2dj.com/uclaradionews/files/borat-high-five.jpg)
Great success!
Vick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Borat
canceled his visit to Oprah next week
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 16, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
canceled his visit to Oprah next week
Another off-the-field step in the right direction
Quote from: SD on February 16, 2011, 12:50:32 PM
Vick on twitter
QuoteProud to be an Eagle . 2011 will be a huge success !
Wishing the owners didn't lock you out can't be considered a success
Buehrle really enjoying his 15 minutes (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/17/mark-buehrle-on-hoping-michael-vick-gets-hurt-i-said-it-i-meant-it/)
I love that he hunts. But that's ok because it's defined as a "sport."
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 16, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 16, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
canceled his visit to Oprah next week
Another off-the-field step in the right direction
Worst kind of PFT article here (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/18/eagles-involvement-in-vicks-oprah-decision-is-a-matter-of-semantics/)
So, Vick was nervous about doing the show. The Eagles may or may not have been nervous about him doing it. He went to someone in the org (not Andy) and said that he was nervous about it, and they basically said he had the option to cancel the appearance. Florio is trying to conjure up a story about them talking him into it, when it sounds more like he really didn't want to do it anyway.
If there is a lockout, I will be punchy.
Whenever I hear Vick talk I am embarrassed for him. He would of made an ass out of himself on Oprah. Good move on his part.
Quote from: mussa on February 18, 2011, 04:01:37 PM
Whenever I hear Vick talk I am embarrassed for him. He would of made an ass out of himself on Oprah. Good move on his part.
I used to feel like that but I think he's gotten much better. Earlier on it was like everything was coached and prepared for him and he wasn't ever sure what he should say. He still has his moments but for the most part I see a big difference when he's just trying to talk honestly. I believe there's a lot that's genuinely changed in him for the better, which I think is great. Especially his ability to read a defense.
Quote from: mussa on February 18, 2011, 04:01:37 PM
Whenever I hear Vick talk I am embarrassed for him. He would of made an ass out of himself on Oprah. Good move on his part.
ironic
Would of.
woulda
What exactly has Vick made an ass out of himself by saying, Mussa?
If I paid attention to his interviews or quotes, I could point out half a dozen easily I'm sure. Dude is not what I'd call smart.
Pretty though, ain't he?
i'd farg him
Quote from: SunMo on February 19, 2011, 01:26:28 AM
i'd farg him
Yeah, but you're biased because you already have a raging case of herpes.
And a rape stand fetish.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 18, 2011, 09:35:06 PM
If I paid attention to his interviews or quotes, I could point out half a dozen easily I'm sure. Dude is not what I'd call smart.
Pretty though, ain't he?
Dude isn't paid to speak let's put it that way. Nor do I get paid to write.
Actually, he is. High profile athletes are expected to speak pretty often.
Especially ones who commit crimes, spend time in prison and then go to high schools to, um, speak about it.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 19, 2011, 01:59:13 PM
Actually, he is. High profile athletes are expected to speak pretty often.
Really! I never saw a press conference or an interview before. Thank you for pointing that out. You know what the hell I mean.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 19, 2011, 02:21:07 PM
Especially ones who commit crimes, spend time in prison and then go to high schools to, um, speak about it.
He's not getting paid to do that. Its part of his recovery. My point is the guy is dumber than dirt and most of what comes out of his mouth is painful. About 80% of football players are in the same boat as Vick.
I expect better from Ashley Fox (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110301_Ashley_Fox___Michael_Vick_is_giving_the_doubters_a_reason_to_doubt.html).
She must be bored.
oh how horrible.
So Vick called a few days before the event and said he'd be unable to make it. And this is a story because......??
I'd get it if Vick just started no-showing events without warning, but that's not the case here. What an awful article.
Quote from: smeags on March 01, 2011, 12:29:40 PM
oh how horrible.
Yes, her writing really is horrible.
QuoteAdamSchefter Eagles officially sign QB Michael Vick to a one-year contract. He was designated as the team's franchise player on Feb 15.
I for one feel better knowing that the Eagles got him locked up just in time for a lock out.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1183564/1/index.htm
Quote"Mike," a confident middle-aged man said, "you rushed that last throw against Green Bay, didn't you?"
:-D
I just got this email on facebook. No idea who the douchebag is that sent it to me.
Quotegod made sociopaths..They are wired differently..Killing animals are first before humans like dahmer and sam berkowitz...Vick will have a relapse because his euphoric high as specific in court documents will no longer occur. Thus his fix of animal cruelty has stopped...Humans are next..Given the profile of a sociopath...Most people do not go into this much psychological detail..His disease will his demise...I am concerned for the safety of his children because he threw his own dog into the ring and he killed it for losing...Vick is a monster of greed..Did he turn himself in? no..Was it a mistake? no! It was intentional...Only way he stopped is when he got caught...He is not worthy of forgiveness. He needs to be locked away...Wait and see what happens. I am not one to wait around..It is very obvious vick is not a mentally stable human...Why are most people in denial over this?..The Eagle fans( who like Vick) want points on the board regardless what he kills. Thereby, Vick and his fans share a blatant disregard of life in general..
The English language is dead. Long live the english language.
Wayne Pacelle, President of the Humane Society, wrote a book and talked about his relationship with Vick among other things. (http://www.npr.org/2011/04/09/135212472/humane-society-ceo-on-katrina-michael-vick-and-more)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 07, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
I just got this email on facebook. No idea who the douchebag is that sent it to me.
Quotegod made sociopaths..They are wired differently..Killing animals are first before humans like dahmer and sam berkowitz...Vick will have a relapse because his euphoric high as specific in court documents will no longer occur. Thus his fix of animal cruelty has stopped...Humans are next..Given the profile of a sociopath...Most people do not go into this much psychological detail..His disease will his demise...I am concerned for the safety of his children because he threw his own dog into the ring and he killed it for losing...Vick is a monster of greed..Did he turn himself in? no..Was it a mistake? no! It was intentional...Only way he stopped is when he got caught...He is not worthy of forgiveness. He needs to be locked away...Wait and see what happens. I am not one to wait around..It is very obvious vick is not a mentally stable human...Why are most people in denial over this?..The Eagle fans( who like Vick) want points on the board regardless what he kills. Thereby, Vick and his fans share a blatant disregard of life in general..
Why do you have facebook?
So I can talk to :CF people with a blue and white background instead grey. It's less depressing.
lol
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/04/michael-vick-humane-society-condem-dogfighing-android-app/1
It would be hard to say that Vick has tried in any to encourage people to forget his history. To his credit, he's still involved in anti-dog fighting efforts, as misguided as they may at times be.
Android-app/1
Vick finished runner-up to Hillis for the Madden 12 cover
I actually think that's awesome. Vick already has a target on his back and if he was on the cover the goddamn dog bullshtein would start up all over again.
I am superstitious and didnt want him on there for the curse. But Peyton farging Hillis?! Jeez.
Hillis is a really good back, Jay. Denver fans I know were furious when McKid booted his ass to Cleveland.
ummm anyone want to take a stab at why hillis won?
Because good white running backs are as rare as black presidents?
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
Hillis is a really good back, Jay. Denver fans I know were furious when McKid booted his ass to Cleveland.
Oh no doubt.
But I never saw him as Madden cover good
You are overlooking the distinct possibility that Hillis' image adorns the cover of the game in part because the game has lost currency with players and fans alike. No one really cares about it anymore. Sure, it sells every year and hard core heads will play and argue about each iteration's miniscule improvements...but the rest of us know that the game basically hasn't improved since EA got the monopoly...NFL2k5 continues to compare well to even the most recent Madden.
Backbreaker seems to have developed a strong following as well.
when madden first came out was john himself on the cover or has it always been a player
He was on the cover at first.
yeah, first 5 or 6 years i believe
Quote"It was about time," Vick told 102.1 FM and 1490 AM The Game in Virginia Beach. "What he so-called did to our people, took so many innocent lives. Hey, he deserved every bit of it."
People can agree with Vick, and they can disagree with Vick. Ditto for Mendenhall. The reality is that Vick's comments mesh far more closely with popular opinion than Mendenhall's, which means that, while Mendenhall was chastised for his views, there's a good chance Vick will be celebrated.[\quote]
Yessir.
So-called.
why do people care what athletes say about anything
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2011, 10:07:57 PM
why do people care what athletes say about anything
Says the guy whose job it is to get quotes from athletes...
Yeah, but Todd doesn't have to work hard to get quotes. He just needs to check their Facebook.
This just in: Tiffany says Stephanie is a bitch. More at 11 Maria dice Nita es una perra. Mas a las 11.
Edited for authenticity.
Eastern or Pacific?
Mexican
What's up?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2011, 10:07:57 PM
why do people care what athletes say about anything
Says the guy whose job it is to get quotes from athletes...
alright silly, you know what i meant. ask them about their jobs and the game, etc. why is someone bringing mike vick on the radio, looking for a quote on bin laden. how in any way shape or form is this relevant?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 04, 2011, 11:18:46 PM
Yeah, but Todd doesn't have to work hard to get quotes. He just needs to check their Facebook.
This just in: Tiffany says Stephanie is a bitch. More at 11 Maria dice Nita es una perra. Mas a las 11.
Edited for authenticity.
im guessing this is some kind of old person knee-jerk reaction to certain elements of the media scurrying facebook for information.
ive never done it but it can come in handy.
No, it was more like high school girls post everything on facebook.
do you know any high school girls?
Other than my daughter and her friends? Not really.
Jesus...your daughter is in High School?
Holy farg. They looked younger in those pics I saw. (Not those kind of pics you sick fargs!)
That's because whenever it was you last saw pics of them, they were younger.
just found out that billy martin works in my building and i guess vick still comes by a lot to see him. security guy promised me a call next time he stops by.
Next up: Ask Mike Vick, brought to you by phatty?
Endorsement deal with Nike. Guess he's officially rehabbed now.
Seth Myers at the ESPY's: "Mike Vick returned to a starting role for the Philadelphia Eagles. He even got a few MVP votes, mostly from cats."
Not a funny joke, but got a lot of groans from the room. The uncomfortable pause afterward was hilarious :-D
Quote from: Munson on July 13, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
Seth Myers at the ESPY's: "Mike Vick returned to a starting role for the Philadelphia Eagles. He even got a few MVP votes, mostly from cats."
Not a funny joke, but got a lot of groans from the room. The uncomfortable pause afterward was hilarious :-D
How is that not funny? In fact, that was farging hilarious when I heard it. Great joke.
ESPN new "QBR" rating system Mike is rated Beast!
5 2010 Michael Vick PHI 547 66.6
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834591/nfl-tom-brady-led-nfl-qbr-2010-season (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834591/nfl-tom-brady-led-nfl-qbr-2010-season)
Apparently he said earlier today they have begun contract negotiations
Vick confirmed that long-term contract negotiations are underway.
i wont believe it till its tweeted.
Les Bowen sought confirmation from Vick's agent, and was told to "have a nice weekend".
Well, it's nice to know that Vick's agent has good manners.
PFT recap of Vick interview with Mikey Miss (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/05/vick-talks-contract-rob-ryan-desean-jackson/)
Vick says in an upcoming GQ article that he wanted to go to Cincinannti or Buffalo and start right away but Goodell persuaded him to go to the Eagles because of the stability and low pressure to start.
I don't understand Cincinnati. Were they going to cut loose Palmer two years ago?
he didnt specifically say he wanted to start he said he didnt wanna be third string in philly and that he thought cincy was a better opportunity
I like that he's saying it now. All's well that ends well.
it's great for us...but really should the NFL commissioner be involved where player movement? i know it's a special circumstance, but still, either vick was eligible to come back or not, and if he was then he should have been able to pick any team he wanted and it was up to him to sink or swim
Yeah, it sounds like Godell pretty much told Vick it was Philly or nowhere.
That's really strange. All the things I hear about Goodell don't paint him as a controlling little douche.
Edit: nvm
it's the same thing with Pryor, how can they make him eligible for the supplemental draft but then say he's to be suspended for the first 5 weeks? how can you suspend someone for something they did in college?
full GQ interview (http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201109/michael-vick-gq-september-2011-interview)
QuoteWe can be repulsed by his past, we can choose not to root for him, but we can't drown out the cheers from Eagles fans.
Quote from: SunMo on August 18, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
it's great for us...but really should the NFL commissioner be involved where player movement?
absolutely not....this thing could blow up big time....vick probably should shut the eff up and only talk about how much he loves puppies now
Quote from: SunMo on August 18, 2011, 11:00:25 AM
it's the same thing with Pryor, how can they make him eligible for the supplemental draft but then say he's to be suspended for the first 5 weeks? how can you suspend someone for something they did in college?
pryor was suspended for the first five college games...the nfl wouldnt be suspending him would they?
the question with him is would he have ultimately been suspended for the entire college season because of the new allegations of him taking money...you are supposed to only be eligible for the supp draft if you cant go back to college...and if he was only suspened for those five games he technically could have went back to ohio state and thus couldnt enter the supp draft
no, Pryor is elligible for the supplemental draft but can't practice or play with his new team for 5 weeks. meetings only
I think Goodell did a hell of a service not only for us of course, but for the fact that he guided a player in the right direction to a sturdy organization-actually showing some empathy and sound advice.
There also is no indication that either team even wanted him, only he wanted to play for them-so I don't think the story gets crazy hype.
Quote from: SunMo on August 18, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
it's great for us...but really should the NFL commissioner be involved where player movement? i know it's a special circumstance, but still, either vick was eligible to come back or not, and if he was then he should have been able to pick any team he wanted and it was up to him to sink or swim
In a case like this, yes he should. The general public was outraged by what Vick did, and rightfully so. So when the NFL decided to let him back in the league, the Commish absolutely needed to make sure that Vick was going to a franchise with stability and a strong coaching staff. The last thing the league needed was to see him go to Cinci where half of the roster shows up on the daily police blotter. It was really a decision with everyone's best interest in mind. If Vick comes back and is successful and stays on the straight and narrow, it's good for the league, the Eagles and Vick. Win all around really.
(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-desktop-wallpapers-5.jpg?w=800&h=600)
there arent too many things more agregious than a comissioner dictating where talent goes....basically at that point the league loses all credibility and competitive balance
if im cincy or buffalo i am incensed right now and would bring some sort of lawsuit against the commish office
its a complete disgrace
you are that worried about the guy dont let him back in the league...but to orchestrate where talent goes is so wrong and on par with refs fixing games
Persuading someone is way different than dictating. Anyone could gave easily persuaded him by saying "you realize buffalo & cincy are the laughingstock of the league and are complete failures as franchises. You want to start for these teams?"
He also signed a 2 year deal knowing full well that he would have his chance to clean up his image while getting back into the swing of things.
QuoteMichael Vick statement on GQ story:
"I felt it was necessary to put out a statement today clarifying the article in GQ Magazine. I did speak with many people, but the decision to sign in Philadelphia was based on my discussions with my agent, my family and with Coach Reid. And after those discussions, it became clear to me that this was the place I wanted to play and resume my NFL career. The Commissioner never told me to sign or not sign with particular teams. Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that this was a decision I made and, as I have said numerous times before, I'm very happy with the way it has worked out for me and my family."
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet.
Quote"In the NFL, schemes make great quarterbacks," he added in the ESPN The Magazine interview. "I love Atlanta, but I wish now I would have been drafted by the Eagles."
I usually take things athletes say with a grain of salt when it comes to their "love" for the city/team they play for. They're pretty much just yacking it up for the fans and saying nice things about the people who hand out the paychecks. But I don't think I've ever heard an athlete go so far as to say that he wished he'd been drafted by X team and played his entire career there. Maybe he's still just playing to the home crowd and just took it to another level, but damn if I didn't leak some pecker snot while reading that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet.
Quote"In the NFL, schemes make great quarterbacks," he added in the ESPN The Magazine interview. "I love Atlanta, but I wish now I would have been drafted by the Eagles."
I usually take things athletes say with a grain of salt when it comes to their "love" for the city/team they play for. They're pretty much just yacking it up for the fans and saying nice things about the people who hand out the paychecks. But I don't think I've ever heard an athlete go so far as to say that he wished he'd been drafted by X team and played his entire career there. Maybe he's still just playing to the home crowd and just took it to another level, but damn if I didn't leak some pecker snot while reading that.
id be the first one to go crazy over this if true but hes saying the eagles not philadelphia...meaning marty morningwheg and andy reid...
really what hes saying is he wishes he had had good coaching structure his whole career regardless of where it happened
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
QuoteMichael Vick statement on GQ story:
I felt it was necessary to put out a statement today clarifying the article in GQ Magazine. I did speak with many people, but the decision to sign in Philadelphia was based on my discussions with my agent, my family and with Coach Reid. And after those discussions, it became clear to me that this was the place I wanted to play and resume my NFL career. The Commissioner never told me to sign or not sign with particular teams. Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that this was a decision I made and, as I have said numerous times before, Im very happy with the way it has worked out for me and my family.
here comes the NFL FO oh shtein spin control
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 18, 2011, 12:58:51 PM
Persuading someone is way different than dictating. Anyone could gave easily persuaded him by saying "you realize buffalo & cincy are the laughingstock of the league and are complete failures as franchises. You want to start for these teams?" .
anyone could but the comissioner of the league should never give his two cents on where a player goes...first of all what do you think a player...especially a player in vicks psoition at the time is going to do when the guy who ultimately controls his life gives him a push in a certain direction
its just compeltely out of bounds....goodells involvement begins and ends with whether vick should be allowed back in the league and what he must do behavoir wise to remain in the league
It looks to me like that writer took some liberties with his quotes. No where does Vick specifically say Goodell told him to go to Philly. I am not saying it didn't happen, but it seems like there is a lot of room for interpretation.
He met with Goodell before he could be reinstated and "other reps" maybe those other reps were guys like Tony Dungy. I know it is popular to hate on the Commish but this seems a little far fetched......then again after today's Pryor ruling I wouldn't put anything past the NFL.
The commissioner's untouchable aurora is gone forever now
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
QuoteMichael Vick statement on GQ story:
"I felt it was necessary to put out a statement today clarifying the article in GQ Magazine. I did speak with many people, but the decision to sign in Philadelphia was based on my discussions with my agent, my family and with Coach Reid. And after those discussions, it became clear to me that this was the place I wanted to play and resume my NFL career. The Commissioner never told me to sign or not sign with particular teams. Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that this was a decision I made and, as I have said numerous times before, I'm very happy with the way it has worked out for me and my family."
Wow, those sound like his exact words.
I've always wondered with all the bs and spin and obvious propaganda agents, teams, handlers etc. put out, why they never attempt to make a prepared statement from a player sound like it came from the player.
Since I don't feel like going to the joke thread:
A gruff redneck laborer type was siting at the bar grumbling to himself and becoming more and more agitated with each drink. Finally he shouts out "all lawyers are all farging scumbag pieces of shtein and I want to kill every one of them!!"
A well dressed man at the other end of the bar in a $600 suit with a briefcase by his side says back "excuse me sir, but I take umbrage to your libelous ill conceived comment."
The drunk guy gets up and starts toward the other end of the bar, neck veins bulging saying "oh, so you're a lawyer, eh," as he pounds his fists together.
And the other guy says "no, I'm a farging scumbag piece of shtein." *rim shot*
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 18, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet.
Quote"In the NFL, schemes make great quarterbacks," he added in the ESPN The Magazine interview. "I love Atlanta, but I wish now I would have been drafted by the Eagles."
I usually take things athletes say with a grain of salt when it comes to their "love" for the city/team they play for. They're pretty much just yacking it up for the fans and saying nice things about the people who hand out the paychecks. But I don't think I've ever heard an athlete go so far as to say that he wished he'd been drafted by X team and played his entire career there. Maybe he's still just playing to the home crowd and just took it to another level, but damn if I didn't leak some pecker snot while reading that.
id be the first one to go crazy over this if true but hes saying the eagles not philadelphia...meaning marty morningwheg and andy reid...
really what hes saying is he wishes he had had good coaching structure his whole career regardless of where it happened
I agree it's not a city love fest, which is fine, but I think that in the last 2 years Vick (and his agent) has been very careful with what he says in the public and to the media and chooses his words pretty wisely these days. I think if he wanted to express that he wished he played for Reid the entire time that he would have said just that. But I think he's giving praise to the entire organization and even to the city itself, albeit indirectly.
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 18, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
QuoteMichael Vick statement on GQ story:
"I felt it was necessary to put out a statement today clarifying the article in GQ Magazine. I did speak with many people, but the decision to sign in Philadelphia was based on my discussions with my agent, my family and with Coach Reid. And after those discussions, it became clear to me that this was the place I wanted to play and resume my NFL career. The Commissioner never told me to sign or not sign with particular teams. Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that this was a decision I made and, as I have said numerous times before, I'm very happy with the way it has worked out for me and my family."
Wow, those sound like his exact words.
I've always wondered with all the bs and spin and obvious propaganda agents, teams, handlers etc. put out, why they never attempt to make a prepared statement from a player sound like it came from the player.
yeah none are particularly good but that one is just off the charts bad...they should have just signed it "from the office of the comissioner"
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2011, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 18, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet.
Quote"In the NFL, schemes make great quarterbacks," he added in the ESPN The Magazine interview. "I love Atlanta, but I wish now I would have been drafted by the Eagles."
I usually take things athletes say with a grain of salt when it comes to their "love" for the city/team they play for. They're pretty much just yacking it up for the fans and saying nice things about the people who hand out the paychecks. But I don't think I've ever heard an athlete go so far as to say that he wished he'd been drafted by X team and played his entire career there. Maybe he's still just playing to the home crowd and just took it to another level, but damn if I didn't leak some pecker snot while reading that.
id be the first one to go crazy over this if true but hes saying the eagles not philadelphia...meaning marty morningwheg and andy reid...
really what hes saying is he wishes he had had good coaching structure his whole career regardless of where it happened
I agree it's not a city love fest, which is fine, but I think that in the last 2 years Vick (and his agent) has been very careful with what he says in the public and to the media and chooses his words pretty wisely these days. I think if he wanted to express that he wished he played for Reid the entire time that he would have said just that. But I think he's giving praise to the entire organization and even to the city itself, albeit indirectly.
hes definitely giving props to the organization because they helped him become a better player....but had this happened in denver miami dallas or minneapolis hed be saying the same thing....i dont see how he is referencing the city in any way...and im someone that looks for that shtein first
I actually busted out laughing when I saw the FF dog cartoon Ed posted.
So did the rest of my co-workers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2009, 12:39:24 AM
He sucks. One of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL.
:-D
Quote from: Rome on August 18, 2011, 02:12:20 PM
I actually busted out laughing when I saw the FF dog cartoon Ed posted.
So did the rest of my co-workers.
That is awesome! I am forwarding it to everyone in my league right now.
Quote from: Rome on August 18, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2009, 12:39:24 AM
He sucks. One of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL.
:-D
Yeah he was awesome and such a great QB prior.
Yeah but is he sill one of the most overrated players in the NFL, Jay?
TELL ME!
Yes.
Don't ruin my fun, you.
What the farg else am I supposed to do?
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[quote author=Rome link=topic=20593.msg840462#msg840462 date=1313691140]
I actually busted out laughing when I saw the FF dog cartoon Ed posted.
So did the rest of my co-workers.
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That is awesome! I am forwarding it to everyone in my league right now.
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getting old must suck
Being old probably sucks, too.
ESPN NFC East Blogger:
QuoteFolks, it absolutely does. not. matter. how Tony Romo plays in preseason. Or Eli Manning. Or Michael Vick. Good or bad. Doesn't matter.
But I thought it did?!?
ESPN's NFL preview magazine is gonna be pretty much all Vick (http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2011/08/24/etm_nfl_preview_vick/)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0824/576x324_vickwhite.jpg)
look test pass
Could you do Mexican?
You've already got it in your signature.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 25, 2011, 02:38:19 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0824/576x324_vickwhite.jpg)
look test pass
He looks less intimidating and honest. The kind of guy you'd want your daughter to date.
looks like David Silver.
I don't have the words....
Collection of what if Michael Vick were... (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-best-of-the-white-Michael-Vick-Photoshops?urn=nfl-wp5905) Photoshops
(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2011/08/xlarge_joesportsfanvickribs.jpg)
Oh man that shtein is making me laugh.
yes. i would, actually.
Isn't Toure' the hip hop writer from Rolling Stone? The hell is he doing writing for the Network?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 25, 2011, 02:38:19 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0824/576x324_vickwhite.jpg)
look test pass
such an intelligent GRITty player
That is the face of a 23 year old with a 14 year old girlfriend
(http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/848/5848/218657.jpg)
6 years 100 million
okay that's nice
now sign DeSean
$40M guaranteed
(and yea, get DeSean done)
Great deal for all parties involved
ho much would White Vick have gotten?
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
ho much would White Vick have gotten?
40 years, Eleventy billion.
ho much?
haha.
awesome deal for mike. let's DO THIS.
Well, that'll get him out of debt.
I'm actually a bit disappointed I have seen a Facebook meltdown over this yet.
Sadness.
So how much does that save on this years cap?
I don't think anybody knows yet.
Per Andrew Brandt.
QuoteEagles did not need to greatly reduce Vick's cap number. It will now go from $16.2 million to $14.4 million in 2011.
Now that's a lie, I'm sure Joe Banner, Howie Roseman, and Drew Rosenhaus know the exact number down to the last cent.
Quote from: SD on August 29, 2011, 08:11:12 PM
Now that's a lie, I'm sure Joe Banner, Howie Roseman, and Drew Rosenhaus know the exact number down to the last cent.
(http://www.raykomkacoins.com/images/type/1834ms63bhalfcentrev.jpg)
Isn't it the guaranteed number divided by the total number of years? In other words, no chance he comes close to making 100 million dollars from those bastiches.
Nice thing about this deal is they can now use the Franchise tag on Desean if they have to.
Quote from: Rome on August 29, 2011, 08:04:23 PM
I'm actually a bit disappointed I have seen a Facebook meltdown over this yet.
Sadness.
I'm not going to log in, just to be safe.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 29, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
Nice thing about this deal is they can now use the Franchise tag on Desean if they have to.
Which is still a huge payday for him, but no bonus money.
I've got a huge farging boner over this right now
LOL @ my FB
So, over/under on headlines saying the Eagles are in the dog house for giving Vick a new deal? I'd set it at all of them.
I met a black kid--maybe seven years old--in a park today who told me Vick was his favorite player. After him, it was Ray Lewis and Ray Rice.
Kid's got an eye for talent.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 29, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
Nice thing about this deal is they can now use the Franchise tag on Desean if they have to.
i think siging vick is almost a franchise tag in itself....im not saying they wouldnt have signed him otherwise because they clearly wanted him but i think what put the money where it ended up was banner inc watching this offseason unfold and seeing how many players either signed with the eagles or showed interest in signing with the eagles because they wanted to play with mike....not that andy doesnt like him as a player but this signing was a recruiting tool and was done as much for off the field stuff as on the field
Agree. His value to the franchise in publicity/jerseys/luxury box seats is just as important as all of that too. Vick means big money, so he gets big money - even though they aren't stupid and know his play on the field won't always be remarkable. Great signing for all involved for many reasons.
It's not a great signing if you don't think Vick is all that good. Which I don't... but I also don't know if there is a better available option right now. I'm not rooting against him, I don't hate him or any of that nonsense, I would have waited until later in the season to do this.
Quote from: charlie on August 30, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
It's not a great signing if you don't think Vick is all that good.
40 million guaranteed to a not very good player isnt a great signing?
whoda thunk
Vick has done a great job in rehabilitating his reputation, both as a player and as a person. He was going to get this much, if not more if he hits the open market.
Not sure what I think about his signing, mainly because of his age and being a bit injury-prone. Poor guy is going to be hit more than Lindsay Lohan.
The self-appointed Philly hack doomsayers are strongly cautioning all of us today.
Smallwood was particularly annoying so I let him have it. Surprisingly, he replied. Sheridan, on the other hand, he doesn't get so much as a pfft from me.
Quote from: Rome on August 30, 2011, 10:33:05 AM
The self-appointed Philly hack doomsayers are strongly cautioning all of us today.
why are they hacks because they say the eagles are taking a chance...its a huge risk...mostly from an injury standpoint but also because vick has played about a half great season of good football in his life...admittedly that half season was last year but hes never won a playoff game with the eagles and hes a tiny qb who is playing behind a hideous line
i dont care about the money because nfl is mostly monopoly money....in fact i love the money for the fact that is has enraged the haters today but in terms of going all in with this guy as your qb for the next four years at that money how can you not see some people being wary of the move
interesting post on CB about what vick will actually make and it aint much
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/08/michael-vick-isnt-going-to-see-anywhere-near-100-million.html#tp
Signing anyone is taking a chance. The reasons why it's a huge chance is why I have a problem with what they've written. They raged against it initially, were proven wrong, but they're too pigheaded to change now, so they bring up the dogs and prison.
They're lazy defeatist pieces of shtein.
farg all of them.
vick at his presser: "common goal is still to bring that ring BACK to philadelphia"
Losing a superbowl is a realistic goal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2011, 03:22:34 PM
vick at his presser: "common goal is still to bring that ring BACK to philadelphia"
Did the 1960 team get rings?
perhaps but theres simply no chance vick knows there was a time when there wasnt a superbowl
He probably knows the overtime rules, though.
White Vick would.
Yeah, but White Vick's a pedophile.
New Contract Means Vick's Creditors Can Get All Their Money Back By 2014 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44327928/)
$3 million bonus if the Eagles win the Super Bowl - that's a nice chunk o'change
(http://i.imgur.com/djBC3.gif)
Holy shtein.
lolololol
Weak start, but it's how you finish. Good one Rome :-D
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
I met a black kid--maybe seven years old--in a park today who told me Vick was his favorite player. After him, it was Ray Lewis and Ray Rice.
Kid's got an eye for talent.
My daughter wants a Vick jersey as an early X-mas gift so she can wear it for the season. She has just gotten' herself a pit bull puppy, can't wait to see the neighbors when she goes out walking the dog in her Vick jersey.
Holy Crap!! Just saw that pic, thats some of the funniest shtein yet!
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Vick-Payback-Pledge/249155248429404 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Vick-Payback-Pledge/249155248429404)
It's for a good cause
Hey Rome, I sent that pic to all my buddies I play FF with, they're still laughing about it a week later.
Now it's being reported Vick's hand is not fractured and he might play next week. I'd hold him out, he looked foggy out there yesterday even before he was pulled. He had a glazed look in his eyes and was missing open receivers by 10 yards.
No question.
I think they win next week with Young regardless.
"I wish I could have done more this year" (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/news/Vick-I-wish-I-could-have-done-more-this-?blockID=606130&feedID=704)
"So do we"
:-D
Quote"It's been tough watching the last three weeks of football, watching our team going through our struggles the last two games,"
The last three weeks?
pro football weekly anonymous quote from an nfl scout...
"Jim Mora (Sr.) had it right. Michael Vick is a coach killer. The Eagles made a mistake signing him long-term. I can tell you right now — he was a machine the first half of 2010, and then he ... started turning the ball over. You cannot win a Super Bowl with a guy that is that inconsistent. They said he was hurt. I'm not sure they didn't bench him after he started 3-8 going back to last year (counting Vick's two season-ending losses a year ago). If I'm Andy Reid, I'm looking hard at Matt Flynn right now."
That is shockingly obvious and not insightful whatsoever.
Except for the Matt Flynn part. Not happening. Reid's going to have to ride Vick this year without a doubt. And exactly like I said when you all were bitching about Lurie keeping Andy... Andy gives this core group of players the best chance to win.
vick being possibly benched and not injured was obvious?
where the hell was i when that was being bandied about
a completely speculative quote from jim mora sr? cmon man.
LOL as if Reid wasnt already a farging bum before Vick?
Please. What a ridiculous statement
im not saying its true...in fact i doubt it because no matter how bad vick is vince young is the back up...but its something i never thought of before
and jim mora didnt say it
Anonymous
:-D
dooks might be trying to replace grigson
Qualifications needed:
Jewish heritage
CPA
Uppity attitude
APPLY TODAY
"likes high motors"
must sign in blood to never once draft a playmaking linebacker under any circumstances
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 27, 2012, 09:43:01 AM
Qualifications needed:
Jewish heritage
CPA
Uppity attitude
APPLY TODAY
Look for a letter from Brownsville.
i have a cpa?
and wow @ calling a black man uppity.
yeah if you were a cpa you sure as hell wouldnt be sending that letter from browntown
Quote from: MDS on January 27, 2012, 01:01:28 PM
i have a cpa?
and wow @ calling a black man uppity.
Do you know any black, Jewish CPAs? I would assume they are just as uppity as the white ones.
interesting read
bEast breakdown of all 24 Vick sacks from last season (http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/04/04/video-breakdown-charting-vicks-24-sacks-last-season-signing-bell-allows-herremans-to-continue-protecting-vicks-blind-side/)
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/07/usa-today-exclusive-michael-vick-interview-at-8-pm-et/1#.UASXwpHNloo (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/07/usa-today-exclusive-michael-vick-interview-at-8-pm-et/1#.UASXwpHNloo)
oh so he was into dogfighting, got arrested and publicly shamed for it, and now regrets it?
ok. breaking news there.
What does he think about The Wire, goddammit!
Quote from: MDS on July 17, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
oh so he was into dogfighting, got arrested and publicly shamed for it, and now regrets it?
ok. breaking news there.
A great quote from him is he could read a dog better than a defense. Also without the link, you would not have known his autobiography Finally Free goes on sale on September 4th.
That's my birthday!
Thinly veiled gift hint?
I highly doubt Vick could write a paragraph himself.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 17, 2012, 09:39:49 PM
Thinly veiled gift hint?
To late, already got him the UFC Tapout t-shirt.
I put his name on the Eagles season ticket waiting list.
I was going to get him the book, but that title is incredibly misleading.
Quote"When I look at our football team and what we have on paper, I think about when I was growing up and the great San Francisco 49er teams, the great Green Bay Packer teams, and the great Dallas Cowboy teams, how they just positioned themselves to compete and be one of the best teams out there. I think we have a chance to be that. I think we have a chance to develop a dynasty."
That's great. How about winning a playoff game first.
He must have meant Dynasty the TV series from the 80's.
Throw a better pass to Riley Cooper in the end zone when he's being covered by a smurf DB before you anoint this team shtein.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 19, 2012, 05:07:08 PM
He must have meant Dynasty the TV series from the 80's.
They just might. Dallas is back on the air. I'm looking forward to a Falcon Crest revival.
Does anyone here own a Vick jersey?
(http://www.jumbojoke.com/images/vickjersey.jpg)
Not anymore.
Why did you have a Falcons jersey?
It was either that or a cum sock.
Most people spit into a sink or kleenex. I guess you like jerseys and socks.
I just drop that ish into the carpet. Or on the tile floor. Or into the toilet. Or squaw's face. Whatever happens to be underneath my junk at the time.
I think we need to class up this joint again...its getting too filthy in here.
with this book release vick becomes a top ten dumbest human on the planet
Pretty sure he was already there.
Quote from: hbionic on July 19, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
I think we need to class up this joint again...its getting too filthy in here.
You obviously don't spend much time in the Phillies thread. This is like the Christian Science Reading Room compared to that.
:-D
Quote from: Don Ho on July 20, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
Quote from: hbionic on July 19, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
I think we need to class up this joint again...its getting too filthy in here.
You obviously don't spend much time in the Phillies thread. This is like the Christian Science Reading Room compared to that.
I got laid in one of those once. She was the librarian for the place. Sure, she was in her fifties and I was 16, but still...
Which started a long tradition of you taking what you can get.
You're talking like that's a bad thing but I'm hearing sour grapes.
Obama Wants Vick To Slide More (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/President-Obama-to-Nnamdi-Tell-Vick-to-s?blockID=746129&feedID=692&awid=5445423988018753053-689)
Quote"He told me to tell Vick to slide. I promise," Asomugha said. "We talked about football for about three or four minutes. The one thing that stuck out -- tell Vick to slide. He's a big fan."
Fox News Headline reads "Obama supports dog fighting."
I hope he responded with "See you at the White House next spring"
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 25, 2012, 03:07:59 PM
Fox News Headline reads "Obama supports dog fighting."
...followed by, BBQ pit bull on the menu at White House in honor of Vick.
vick is obamas dawg
Makes sense. One kills dogs, the other eats them.
Proves he's from Hawaii. If you lived here long enough you're bound to have had some dog mysteriously slipped to you at a Filipino BBQ.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
vick is obamas dawg
When asked about this, Romney pontificated, "You know... I like to watch the American football matches on my television with my one wife and 7 sons."
My buddy is developing the official MV7 app for iPhone and Droid, and he spent most of yesterday with Vick - said he was actually a real good guy..even got his cell #.
can i have it?
all of it
7
vick comes to my building quite often to talk to his lawyer.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 01, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
vick comes to my building quite often to talk to his lawyer.
What sex act is this a metaphor for?
chocolate-kiss hummer?
Playing around with some mock auction drafts, it seems like Vick's fantasy value is way down this year. Last year he was going for 40-50 bucks in leagues, now he seems valued under 20 dollars, might end up being a huge steal.
Quote from: Hawk on August 16, 2012, 01:14:25 AM
Playing around with some mock auction drafts, it seems like Vick's fantasy value is way down this year. Last year he was going for 40-50 bucks in leagues, now he seems valued under 20 dollars, might end up being a huge steal.
Wait, so after a near-MVP season, his value was high? Then after a mediocre, injury-riddled season, it's lower?!?
thats crazy yo
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 16, 2012, 06:57:07 AM
Quote from: Hawk on August 16, 2012, 01:14:25 AM
Playing around with some mock auction drafts, it seems like Vick's fantasy value is way down this year. Last year he was going for 40-50 bucks in leagues, now he seems valued under 20 dollars, might end up being a huge steal.
Wait, so after a near-MVP season, his value was high? Then after a mediocre, injury-riddled season, it's lower?!?
Well his season was filled with injuries and the sort. I would have still expected him to be in the high 20s/low 30s since most leagues score rushing TDs more than passing ones. Getting Vick for 15-18 dollars will be a steal.
Every season of his with the exception of 1 during his entire career has been filled with injuries.
Get Vick? Oh no, we have him.
Asked about trying to avoid injury, Vick told Robert Klemko of USA Today, "I'm trying to do the best I can. I can only do what I can do.
try harder pal
Seriously, it doesn't matter when they have backups like Kafka and Foles. Won't miss a beat!
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Does-Vick-now-own-a-dog-Hes-not-saying.html?cmpid=124488469&i=2&&i=3&&jCount=4&#comments
lolol...OMG Mike maybe owns a dog!
The comments, like many on the internet, are ridiculous and yet I cannot take my eyes off them
QuoteI understand the strong emotions by some people about our family's decision to care for a pet. As a father, it is important to make sure my children develop a healthy relationship with animals. I want to ensure that my children establish a loving bond and treat all of God's creatures with kindness and respect. Our pet is well cared for and loved as a member of our family. This is an opportunity to break the cycle. To that end, I will continue to honor my commitment to animal welfare and be an instrument of positive change.
zero chance he wrote that himself
Todd?
Great now we can have a week or two of the Vick haters whining about this.
In other news, Casey Anthony is adopting a baby.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 11, 2012, 06:43:57 PM
Great now we can have a week or two of the Vick haters whining about this.
Perfect distraction from his zesty play!
I hope the dog bites Vicks face off and then electrocutes him.
QuoteAdam Schefter
Unless Michael Vick leads Eagles to the playoffs, league sources believe that this will be the quarterback's last season in Philadelphia.
QuoteAdam Schefter
If Vick is on the Eagles roster Feb. 6, 2013, three days after this season's Super Bowl, $3 million of his nearly $16 million salary becomes fully guaranteed. But if the Eagles opt to release Vick before Feb. 6, 2013, they will not have any financial obligation to him and his contract will come off their salary cap without any charge
The bigger picture is that the one making the Vick decision would be Reid. But if Vick does badly enough the team wants to get rid of him, Reid will be gone too. So maybe Howie and Jeff decide, and Howie gets promoted to the ultimate decision maker with a new HC who is just a HC. Unless Reid goes to Foles who gets a playoff win.
Unless they make it deep in the playoffs at least 2nd round I can't see how you'd keep him. He is what he is at this point which is a QB who at best can manage games and at worst is a fumbling machine. Unfortunately we're seeing his worst more than we are his best.
I was hoping I'd open this thread to see the word:
BENCHED
well he didnt really fumble today but he did have like 15 interceptions
so...progress?
Anyone know the record for most turnovers by a player in a full season? I figure it's Culpepper when he was on that 20+ fumbles a year streak, but can't find shtein online.
When they did the quick drop backs and throws, he directed the offense pretty well. When they drop him back on the longer drop backs, the pressure gets there and he panics and makes dumb decisions.
I just can't figure out how this team makes zero effort to adjust to blitzes. Let's run Mac and Pimp and max protect the rest of the time.
WTF. It's hard for me to believe that other shtein teams give their QB's time to throw and this group of knuckleheads can't get it together. I seriously am on the ledge with this team. I'm glad to know that this will be a decisive season, it's superbowl or get the farg out.
I'm just not sure who is out there that would coach the Eagles next season...Bill Cowher or John Gruden? Is that it? Tony Dungy?
Quote from: hbionic on October 14, 2012, 11:31:46 PM
I'm just not sure who is out there that would coach the Eagles next season...Bill Cowher or John Gruden? Is that it? Tony Dungy?
Anybody but Reid and I'll be happy. >:(
They'll finally fire Reid, and we'll celebrate for two days. Then they'll announce the promotion of Juan Castillo to head coach.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 15, 2012, 01:32:33 AM
They'll finally fire Reid, and we'll celebrate for two days. Then they'll announce the promotion of Juan Castillo to head coach.
Head Coach-GM-Head Groundskeeper
Assistant Groundskeeper. There are some areas where even Lurie doesn't farg around.
QuoteAs Andy Reid was exiting the auditorium following his day-after press conference, a reporter asked if he is committed to starting Michael Vick against the Falcons.
"Today, I am," the head coach responded.
After a stomach-turning loss to the Lions, Reid said he will "tear things apart" and evaluate everything.
Will Vick be a part of that evaluation process?
"I am going to take a hard look at everything," he said.
Except himself, of course.
Actually, just a large turkey sandwich.
He said the same thing about His Juanness
Give the D playcalling to Bowles
if you do that then you might as well fire juanny
not that im against it but you cant just strip a dc of his play calling duties. its either his call or hes heading back to PI for some fajita tacos
He's stripped Marty before
Quote from: MDS on October 15, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
if you do that then you might as well fire juanny
not that im against it but you cant just strip a dc of his play calling duties. its either his call or hes heading back to PI for some fajita tacos
Didn't Shannahan do that sometime in the not too distant past?
Quote from: MDS on October 15, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
if you do that then you might as well fire juanny
not that im against it but you cant just strip a dc of his play calling duties. its either his call or hes heading back to PI for some fajita tacos
you very easily can do that...been done many times with coordinators....factor in that reid is on the shortest leash ever and i would be kinda suprised if it didnt happen in the next two weeks
And we pray:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/16/next-up-on-the-andy-reid-chopping-block-mike-vick/
QuoteNext up on the Andy Reid chopping block? Mike Vick
Posted by Mike Florio on October 16, 2012, 10:29 AM EDT
Getty ImagesOn Monday, Eagles coach Andy Reid offered tepid support for quarterback Mike Vick and defensive coordinator Juan Castillo. On Tuesday, Reid fired Castillo.
Undoubtedly, Mike Vick is next.
Though it may not (but still could be) a bye-week benching, Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg surely will spend the next 12 days getting rookie Nick Foles ready to take over, whenever Reid decides to flip the switch. (Yes, Foles and the rest of the players will get several days off during the bye, but that won't stop Foles from studying film and getting further ensconced in the playbook.)
The handwriting on the wall has become an engraving in the form of a middle finger to the man who secured the job after Reid fell out of love with Donovan McNabb and then out of lust with Kevin Kolb. The new object of Reid's affection is Foles, and it's only a matter of time before Foles is flinging it.
Consider the evidence. With rampant reports and speculation regarding the team dumping Vick after the next Super Bowl to avoid guaranteeing $3 million of a $15.5 million salary in 2013, the Eagles have said nothing publicly — and they've done nothing privately to push a message of support for Vick. Then, Reid once again dropped a strong hint that Vick is in trouble with that "today, I am" response to the question of whether the head coach remains committed to the quarterback.
What secure starting quarterback gets treated that way? The Cowboys bend over backward whenever Tony Romo bends over forward for an opposing team, and the Chargers remain resolute regarding Philip Rivers after the kind of Monday night debacle that would have gotten Vick run out of Philly before the final gun sounded.
So it's coming. Whether it's this week or next week or at halftime of the next game or after the next game, it'll happen. The only way to stop it will be for Vick to turn the clock back to 2010 with any remaining chances he has to persuade Reid to keep him on the field.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 16, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
what this does more than anything else other than improve the defense is it puts vick on the clock....hes next
Quote....and the Chargers remain resolute regarding Philip Rivers after the kind of Monday night debacle that would have gotten Vick run out of Philly before the final gun sounded.
right...Rivers game last night was way worse than any Vick has had this season.
same record but how much better do the broncos feel today than the eagles
ebbs and flows baby ebbs and flows....
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 16, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
same record but how much better do the broncos feel today than the eagles
ebbs and flows baby ebbs and flows....
Packers, too.
indeed....altho the packers have a lot more cache to burn up before they reach the kind of critical state that either the eagles or denver could or would be at
QuoteMVFive
Please trade my brother. We requesting out of Philly!! Please please please......
MVFive
This not even an NFL type of O-line. What happen to the hogs the Eagles had last year and year before? Call Winston Justice back n Jamal J
Mike steps to the podium and the first question he gets is about these tweets (which he apparently didn't see yet) and he was pissed
oooooo mike was pissed oooooo
maybe he can die
Maybe he can stomp on his brother's leg until he stops tweeting.
Line sucks, Vick deserves to play behind them. farg all these guys.
Shut off teh twitterzzzzz!! (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8605977/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-tells-marcus-vick-shut-twitter)
Dennis Kelly rips Vick in SI:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/11/16/3656722/dennis-kelly-rips-michael-vick-in-sports-illustrated
Quote
"Peyton Manning would have seen that coming," said Kelly. "There are just times when he doesn't see things. He never really had to worry about reading defenses before."
wow
He's not really saying anything we didn't already know. Besides, who the farg is Dennis Kelly to say anything?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 17, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
Besides, who the farg is Dennis Kelly to say anything?
i dont give a farg if its true....it really is amazing that piece of garbage rookie would criticize a veteran like vick....im hoping the interview took place before the concussion....because if it was this week thats even worse to pile on dook when his brain is jello....kelly is not on this team if im the coach...
Yeah especially since Kelly was the one who blew the blitz pick up on the Ernie Sims blitz that pretty much finished Vick off.
Shut your mouth, rook.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2012, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 17, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
Besides, who the farg is Dennis Kelly to say anything?
i dont give a farg if its true....it really is amazing that piece of garbage rookie would criticize a veteran like vick....im hoping the interview took place before the concussion....because if it was this week thats even worse to pile on dook when his brain is jello....kelly is not on this team if im the coach...
There are probably at least 28 NFL head coaches who would agree with you.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 08, 2012, 03:18:50 PM
Shut off teh twitterzzzzz!! (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8605977/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-tells-marcus-vick-shut-twitter)
Posted today:
QuoteMVFive
Yeaaaaa! Try everything n your handbook to save your ass FATBOY!!
This family is special
Handbook?
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/vick_letters.pdf
I'm not necessarily calling Vick a dumbass, but what are the chances he chose the words in his letter all by himself?
They're all relatively small and simple words. Maybe he had some help with the format and changing slang to proper English, but it reads as though an 11 year old NFL player wrote it, so I'd say it's mostly legit.
Also, the first paragraph from George Foreman's letter made me think of Troy McClure.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/vick-could-land-in-buffalo-next-season/
Or do the Eagles re-work his deal and keep him here?
peace out
Adios, Ron.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2012, 06:16:41 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/vick-could-land-in-buffalo-next-season/
Or do the Eagles re-work his deal and keep him here?
Why keep him? He's always been terrible, 2010 was an anomaly.
QuoteStill, he's as good or better than plenty of current starting quarterbacks
Plenty? I don't think so.
hes not a better quarterback than anyone....he might be a better player than a few quarterbacks
thinking just about three teams...
who would you rather have:
Sanchez
Tebow
Cassell
Quinn
Kolb
Skelton
or
Vick
The answer is Vick, and not just because he's a better football player, but because he's a better quarterback than any of these.
no he isnt
but to answer the question id rather have any of them over vick except tebow but hes not a starter now and has no chance of being one next year
I don't think I'd take Sanchez over Vick either, but when you're that far down the list of quarterbacks you're just trying to figure out how dry the turds are.
the difference between those guys and vick is vick cant not suck
sanchez can if you ask him hand the ball off, throw it away and hit short routes and check downs. vick will feel the wind and fumble or get scared from pressure and run and fumble. then hell get another concussion.
hes probably the worst player in football all things considered. him or carson palmer, actually.
exactly....a good coach could coax some good things out of sanchez...rex ryan could be the worst possible coach a qb could ever have....where as vick could have an offensive genius behind him and would still suck...he doesnt have a single skill that lends itself to qb'ing at the professional level
they sort of tried to do that this year with vick. a few games in they stopped extending the field...everything was short and simple. vick got even worse.
when he was at his athletic peek he was a good nfl qb. that 1 year with the eagles he was awesome for a bunch of games, but it really tailed off at the end (giants comeback was a mirage). since then hes been dreadful.
its tough for people to get past what happened in 2006 but it cant be anymore clear now, in 2012---MICHAEL VICK SUCKS!!
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2012, 02:22:04 AM
when he was at his athletic peek he was a good nfl qb.
first of all his athletic peek was in atlanta when he won at lambeau....secondly you are confusing good athlete with good qb....he has always been a terrible qb...the fact that andy reid thought he had the midas touch and could somehow transform him into a nfl qb is in a nutshell everything thats wrong with the franchise
jesus are you making me sick on purpose???
we agree with each other
why are you creating an argument.
i dont wanna argue but i get really upset when people say he was ever a good qb
there was a point in atlanta when he was not among the worst qbs in the league
true or false
false....
unless you worked for espn
andrew walter
chazz frye
joey harrington
bruce gradkowski
rex grossman
matt leinart
alex smith pre harbaugh
david carr
jake delhomme
jp losman
would you rather have vick or any of those guys
rather having vick is different than thinking hes a better qb than any of those guys
answer it both ways then numbnuts
So maybe Vick isn't the worst player at the QB position in the history of football. The point is once he lost a step or three, he lost the only thing that allowed him to play in the NFL. He has a strong arm, but lacks all the other tangibles a QB should have: pocket awareness, accuracy, ability to read a defense, height, etc.
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017d3eff7224970c-800wi)
Look at those guys, not giving one farg about the zombies standing behind them.
Quote"We wouldn't be in this situation if guys tried as hard as I did. This locker room never dictated that kind of effort."
"Out of respect, you should want to come to work, want to try and be the best. To follow the leader. That's what people need to learn."
"I tried to take a modest approach, lead by example, and called a team meeting for guys to regroup. They didn't listen."
"I'm not going to tell a grown man how to conduct himself."
what a shock the team didnt respond to the zesty dog killer...if he even tried to do this. and who would believe a pathological liar like vick.
"yo guys be quiet, the turnover machine is trying to say something"
"never dictated that kind of effort."
dumb motherfarger
he really is pathological
He's obviously an idiot but he's right about them being the cause for this nonsense.
Oh farg, I bear the guy no ill will. He's dumb, whatever. My bad for paying attention to what a professional athlete said.
Good luck, Mike. Bye.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
He's obviously an idiot but he's right about them being the cause for this nonsense.
didnt your momma ever tell you dont throw stones from a glass house
the last person in the world who should be talking about anything is michael vick. he sucks and his lack of ability and talent are among the main reasons why this team has stunk since the pimp return in 2010.
he can say anything he wants and none of it holds any weight coming from him. 0 credibility, 0 talent, 0 ability. go away.
Will his official separation from his Eagles' contract qualify for the "Good Riddance" thread?
I see zero reason to keep Vick, but:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000128521/article/will-michael-vick-accept-pay-cut-to-stay-with-eagles
He's a horrible QB and even keeping him as a back up is detrimental to rebuilding.
I think keeping him at a reduced number is ok. Lets see what Chipski can do with him
everything about that article is horrible....from the misleading title to no information from even an unamed source saying what vick might or might not do...it has a title that draws you in to that idiot basically writing nonsense opinions of hiw own
vick has zero chance to be an eagle next year.....no one in the current regime ever wanted him as a person or a player...not to mention to run a read option offense you have to be smart and be able to make quick multiple choice decisions...something vick is completely inept at...hes also lost two steps and would get hurt in the first half of the opener
and fumble every time someone breathes on him...perfect for a read option offense
it amazes me people cant see that vick sucks. he isnt good at football anymore. in fact he probably never was. at one point he definitely wasnt "bad." but as of now he very much is.
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package...maybe not right away if he cant get his qb..i mean hes not gonna run it next year if foles is the qb...but why hire him in the first place if he isnt going to do some version of his oregon offense that includes an option set...wouldnt make much sense
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package...maybe not right away if he cant get his qb..i mean hes not gonna run it next year if foles is the qb...but why hire him in the first place if he isnt going to do some version of his oregon offense that includes an option set...wouldnt make much sense
I think we'll certainly see a lot of the pistol formation at a minimum. The thing with Kelly more than anything is he wants to run the ball. He'll do it anyway he can. I can also foresee a lot of two back sets with Shady and Brown.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package
I think we'll certainly see a lot of the pistol formation at a minimum.
pistol is used in the option offense
Don't the newly-proposed regulations outlaw the pistol offense?
You need a license for it, but you can go shotgun whenever you want.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package...maybe not right away if he cant get his qb..i mean hes not gonna run it next year if foles is the qb...but why hire him in the first place if he isnt going to do some version of his oregon offense that includes an option set...wouldnt make much sense
It's probably safe to say that we won't be seeing the pistol in Philly since only 3 qbs in the history of the NFL have been able to successfully execute it. Kelly was hired because "he's got a great football mind."
...and a great ass.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package...maybe not right away if he cant get his qb..i mean hes not gonna run it next year if foles is the qb...but why hire him in the first place if he isnt going to do some version of his oregon offense that includes an option set...wouldnt make much sense
It's probably safe to say that we won't be seeing the pistol in Philly since only 3 qbs in the history of the NFL have been able to successfully execute it. Kelly was hired because "he's got a great football mind."
the pistol is a formation not an offense
lol at the 'history of the nfl' when talking about the read option....it just entered the league as an offense a couple years ago and has been very successful...chip kelly ran this kind of offense at oregon...his great football mind is versed in this offense...you dont hire chip kelly expecting him to run a pro set or a west coast offense...he was hired because he is supposedly a genius in what is all the rage in the nfl right now
for the record i dont know that the zone read is here to stay or a fad...and i dont support the chip kelly hiring in any way...my only point is from an eagle perspective how do you hire this guy and not have him run an offense that includes it...thats what the guy does
all this 'we will adapt to our players' talk is for the immediate future...but long term i cant see him not putting together a roster of players that fit this kind of system
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package
I think we'll certainly see a lot of the pistol formation at a minimum.
pistol is used in the option offense
Not always. It's a formation, and you can run the option from it, but you can also have a run game using many of the same run plays you would have in a typical single or two back set. You can run the pistol without a QB being a run threat.
Quote
Chris Ault, inventor of the pistol formation, believes even the slower quarterbacks could pull it off if done properly. Case in point: Eli Manning and the New York Giants.
"[The Giants] could run the pistol formation," Ault said Tuesday on NFL AM. "They don't need to run the read part of it. When we first put the pistol in, in 2005 and 2006 (at Nevada), that's all we ran. We ran the power, the gaps, the counters, the zones, the outside stuff. We did not run the read at that time. So, the pistol offense, the most important thing there, is you can run any offense you've been running. And this is how we created it, and then we advanced the pistol run game — the read part of it — two years later."
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2013, 10:10:55 PMvick has zero chance to be an eagle next year.....no one in the current regime ever wanted him as a person or a player...not to mention to run a read option offense you have to be smart and be able to make quick multiple choice decisions...something vick is completely inept at...hes also lost two steps and would get hurt in the first half of the opener
Yeah... I can sort of understand national media guys who don't follow Vick or the Eagles too closely thinking "Chip Kelly... running QB.... maybe they'll keep Vick." But I think anyone who's been paying any attention to Vick, the Eagles' needs, or the way the Eagles do business would be completely stunned if the Eagles keep that washed up dude at any price.
And not only stunned but crushed if they care about the franchise.
Kelly is excited about using Pimp, Maclin, and Shady in his offense, not a guy who used to be fast.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2013, 06:50:42 PM
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Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Where's this read option bullshtein coming from? I thought sources said Chip wouldn't implement it in Philly??
hes not implementing the oregon offense in full....but i think it would be pretty shocking if he didnt put in an option package
I think we'll certainly see a lot of the pistol formation at a minimum.
pistol is used in the option offense
Not always. It's a formation, and you can run the option from it, but you can also have a run game using many of the same run plays you would have in a typical single or two back set. You can run the pistol without a QB being a run threat.
Quote
Chris Ault, inventor of the pistol formation, believes even the slower quarterbacks could pull it off if done properly. Case in point: Eli Manning and the New York Giants.
"[The Giants] could run the pistol formation," Ault said Tuesday on NFL AM. "They don't need to run the read part of it. When we first put the pistol in, in 2005 and 2006 (at Nevada), that's all we ran. We ran the power, the gaps, the counters, the zones, the outside stuff. We did not run the read at that time. So, the pistol offense, the most important thing there, is you can run any offense you've been running. And this is how we created it, and then we advanced the pistol run game — the read part of it — two years later."
thats the shotgun I....been around for decades....in fact andy ran it all the time
i guess some football nerds might have renamed it the pistol...but the pistol to me is different and is attached to a read option offense...hence the term being coined in the last view years
Well, it's more like a shallow variation of the shotgun. Which is probably why it's call the pistol in the first place.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 23, 2013, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2013, 10:10:55 PMvick has zero chance to be an eagle next year.....no one in the current regime ever wanted him as a person or a player...not to mention to run a read option offense you have to be smart and be able to make quick multiple choice decisions...something vick is completely inept at...hes also lost two steps and would get hurt in the first half of the opener
Kelly is excited about using Pimp, Maclin, and Shady in his offense, not a guy who used to be fast.
to me the biggest factor is that lurie didnt want him to begin with and was talked into it by andy
Quote from: Zanshin on January 24, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Well, it's more like a shallow variation of the shotgun. Which is probably why it's call the pistol in the first place.
shotgun I has always been run from both five and seven yards...the "inventor" of the pistol or vorpy football nerds can call it the pistol if they want but to me if it doesnt include a read option association then its just jerks renaming a long existing formation...it would be a like a college coach inplementing a wishbone but calling it the arrow offense
truth be told the shotgun I has also always been used to run option at the college level...just not as a base offense like it is now...more in the way a bubble screen would be called now or to a lesser extent a reverse....like as a play here or there to keep the defense honest
Sure, it's a variation...hence the cute name. I'm not defending the "inventor".
No, but you are engaging a hippo, so don't expect a grown up discussion.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
No, but you are engaging a hippo, so don't expect a grown up discussion.
waaaaaaaah
im a hippo because you have no friggin clue what we are talking about
you really to stay out of sports threads
I don't know why you're such an insufferable prick, but it damn sure has nothing to do with me. You are for some reason flat out incapable of having a discussion without antagonizing, insulting, or goading the person you are talking to into some kind of pissing match.
You really ought to stay out of all threads, it would make for a better forum.
If all of us not only assumed but KNEW we weren't the smartest guys in the room, this would be a better place.
And yes, I understand the irony of that comment.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
I don't know why you're such an insufferable prick, but it damn sure has nothing to do with me. You are for some reason flat out incapable of having a discussion without antagonizing, insulting, or goading the person you are talking to into some kind of pissing match.
You really ought to stay out of all threads, it would make for a better forum.
emotional breakdown much?
jesus you are an incredible bitch
im BEGGING you to ignore me....your life would be much less stressful
You have funny definitions of words.
A bitch would vote your ass off the island from the protection of anonymity.
I'll say it straight out: you're a cancer to civilized discourse.
Bitch this, hipster that.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 24, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Well, it's more like a shallow variation of the shotgun. Which is probably why it's call the pistol in the first place.
Either way, both should be banned :=)
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:29:30 AM
I'll say it straight out: you're a cancer to civilized discourse.
This is unfortunately true time and time again... but I've seen glimmers. Glimmers of hope that he eventually alters his opinion one inch for every mile-pound of force. It's better than zero.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:29:30 AM
I'll say it straight out: you're a cancer to civilized discourse.
most people dont deserve civilized discourse because most people are ignorant sons of bitches...like talking sports with you
i wouldnt expect civilized discourse if i started trying to spew in the gearhead thread so i stay out...unless i have a question
you are a bitch because you didnt like the way people were talking about football as its foreign to you so you had to go on attack rather than just stay out...the conversation was perfectly normal (albeit nerdy) and was in fact over when you had to fly in with your nonsense
hippo this hippo that
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 10:41:36 AMThis is unfortunately true time and time again... but I've seen glimmers. Glimmers of hope that he eventually alters his opinion one inch for every mile-pound of force. It's better than zero.
Who cares about his opinions or whether he changes them, it's his method that's the problem.
Does not play well with others.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:49:50 AM
Who cares about his opinions or whether he changes them, it's his method that's the problem.
Does not play well with others.
He's playing just fine with you in the "mass murder" thread... Maybe y'all should just hang there, join up with SunMo, and continue to tell me how the guns locked in my safe are a threat to America.
See, it's topical, because we're again talking about the "pistol." Bazinga.
If you pay close attention, you'll see that we're not actually talking to each other in that thread. We're making parallel comments that aren't in direct opposition to one another, so it might seem like I'm having some reasonable words with the man, but I'm not.
Pretty sure someone is going to have pry that Browning out of Dio's cold dead hand. He's a closet fundy.
It's a nice gun. The matching holster is embossed with the serial number to the gun, too. Has a little pocket for a second clip. Very nice package.
$500 cash.
Fat lot of good that will do me when the race riots kick off.
LOL. $500 worth of gold?
That's not even a third of an ounce, you cheap bastich.
Hey, what can I say? I have a family to feed.
La Canfora:
QuoteMichael Vick's future as an NFL quarterback is not likely to reach a speedy resolution.
Much has been made of the fact that $3 million of Mike Vick's $16.5 million deal with the Eagles becomes guaranteed if he is on their roster come Feb. 6, but sources said that issue is not a concern at this time, and it's unlikely Vick's contract will be resolved before then.
New coach Chip Kelly is evaluating the situation and how Vick fits in his spread offense. The Eagles are determining how much they might be willing to pay Vick, if they do ask him to take a pay cut. Vick will not absorb any significant salary cut to remain with the Eagles, sources said, but there could be some wiggle room to work something out.
Neither side is being hasty in forcing a conclusion, and the Eagles still could wind up dealing Vick, for instance, once the league year begins March 13. They are not allowed to complete a trade before the Feb. 6 deadline.
McLane:
QuoteThere is offset language in Michael Vick's contract, RE: the guaranteed $3 million due Feb. 6. The Eagles would only owe him money if no one else picked him up or if someone signed him for less than $3 million. #Eagles have time if they want. Mar 11 would be next deadline.
Mosher says tomorrow's deadline will come and go and Vick will get the $3M (for the reason mentioned above), but Mr Mackey says he expects Vick to be released by Friday and possibly re-signed
Signed a 1 year deal.
Could earn up to $10M w/ incentives
i still wont believe hes gonna be on the roster until i see him at lehigh
i just cant think of any good reason to have him around
It's as if they specifically designed this offseason just to piss me off. Well played, universe.
Just wait until your birthday, christmas, and the new season of the Big Bang Theory, you're gonna be really pissed!
Bum
Never saw Big Bang Theory. People see to like it, though.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 11, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
Never saw Big Bang Theory. People see to like it, though.
No one you'd like to know in your personal life.
so vick agreed to restructure based off their sit down-- which kelly told him he has every opp to start next year...and learn a whole new offensive system.
memo to kelly: vick is one of the dumbest fargs in the nfl.
Eh, whatever. This team is farged this year no matter what. Might as well just keep piling it on.
writers seem to think it could be to make him tradeable
todd seems to think its part of chippers plan to tank for johnny football
I don't hate it. This year was going to be somewhat of a rebuild process anyway - so depending on how Foles grades out with Kelly in training camp, etc., Vick is a stop-gap. If Foles shows something, they dump Vick or have him as a backup. They could also go a lot of ways in FA or the draft that could end up in Vick being showed the door.
Pretty much how I feel too.
I don't hate it. You keep him under control and let him play it out with Foles and whomever they decide to draft.
If he is beaten out then you deal him.
theres nothing to play out...vick sucks
hes all of a sudden not going to develop talent or stop being a fragile turnover machine. they are trying to trade or him or know they have nothing. or both.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 11, 2013, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 11, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
Never saw Big Bang Theory. People see to like it, though.
No one you'd like to know in your personal life.
Yeah, I was just placating him.
$3.5M signing bonus, paid by April 15
$3.5M base salary
$500K roster bonus
$500K bonus if he plays 50% of the time
$1M bonus if he plays 90% of the time
$1M if they win the Super Bowl :-D
I see 2.5 mil in bonuses the Eagles don't have to worry about paying.
So it's an 8 million dollar deal at most. Meh, whatevs.
Munson you're not a 17yr old chick.
Whatevs...die.
How do you know I'm not a 17yr old chick?
Catfish'd.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 11, 2013, 09:23:45 PM
$3.5M signing bonus, paid by April 15 :-o
$3.5M base salary :-o
$500K roster bonus :-o
$500K bonus if he plays 50% of the time :-D
$1M bonus if he plays 90% of the time :-D
$1M if they win the Super Bowl :-D
Quote from: Munson on February 11, 2013, 10:33:28 PM
How do you know I'm not a 17yr old chick?
Catfish'd.
:-D
does anyone else find it laughable that chipper said yesterday nick foles and michael vick will go into camp competing for the starting qb job...regardless of what you think of vick and i think its ajoke that hes back but if hes going to run some version of his oregon read option how can you seriously have nick foles go into camp on equal footing with michael vick...could there be two more opposite types of qb
Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.
Dual QB system!! :crazy
I read it as giving Chip and crew using it to get more time to see what they are going to run. I think if Vick sees the field at all, it'll be because their plan in the draft or FA didn't go as planned and Foles doesn't show enough. Basically the dude is a stop gap like Hasselbeck was in Tennessee. My point is that just because he was restructured doesn't make him any more likely to be the opening day starter, or even on the squad by then. I can see Kelly setting up an offense that will work for either QB initially, I don't think it will be the read-option we saw from Oregon, Seattle, taterskins, etc very much at all in the first year.
I'm far to lazy to look at the deal, but what is the cap hit if they cut him before the season starts as opposed to the deal he had in place previously?
Quote from: Zanshin on February 12, 2013, 08:27:26 AM
Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.
I think this opinion is somewhat tainted by the idea that Vick is still a very mobile QB, although his play showed he's clearly lost several steps. The offense last year didn't change drastically once Foles came in.
Fire and ICE
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 12, 2013, 08:53:33 AM
I read it as giving Chip and crew using it to get more time to see what they are going to run. I think if Vick sees the field at all, it'll be because their plan in the draft or FA didn't go as planned and Foles doesn't show enough. Basically the dude is a stop gap like Hasselbeck was in Tennessee. My point is that just because he was restructured doesn't make him any more likely to be the opening day starter, or even on the squad by then. I can see Kelly setting up an offense that will work for either QB initially, I don't think it will be the read-option we saw from Oregon, Seattle, taterskins, etc very much at all in the first year.
I'm far to lazy to look at the deal, but what is the cap hit if they cut him before the season starts as opposed to the deal he had in place previously?
Quote from: Zanshin on February 12, 2013, 08:27:26 AM
Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.
I think this opinion is somewhat tainted by the idea that Vick is still a very mobile QB, although his play showed he's clearly lost several steps. The offense last year didn't change drastically once Foles came in.
I disagree in that the O line appeared to play better, mostly because Foles got the ball out of his hands and could see over the line. Vick is clearly the more willing to run of the two. But putting Vick in an offense that's designed to have the QB run might be great...for the one quarter it would take for him to get injured...
foles needs to go....its ridiculous to keep both...i suppose vick makes some sense if you want to use him to get your offense implemented for a year before passing the baton to your future...at least that would acclmate the rest of the team to the offense that chipper is going to run...and it would be directed by a qb who at least on paper fits it nicely regardless of how bad he is on the field
if the read option or some variation is the future of this franchise then go with vick/dixon/manuel (or future qb)....foles has no business being on the team....trade him for something/anything
what is chipper thinking that he can put in his offense then when vick sucks scrap it all and put in a new ofense for foles?....it just doesnt work like that
You can run the option without a running QB. It isn't mandatory.
That literally sounds like a crap option.
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
lol. Go read up on the option offense - you are describing a read-option, where the design of play gives the QB the option to run based on a read. It's not the only way to run an option offense -merely a component of a larger system. You can run an option out of double and triple back sets, when using motion, and various other ways that do not have any design for the QB to run the ball.
Wouldn't mind FOles in the backfield with Shady on one side and Brown on the other...
that might work against wyoming and new mexico state
its questionable whether the read option as is will work in the nfl....we will find out in a couple years as DC's adjust....a read option where the qb is no threat to run will never work in this league
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
Not really. It's tricky to rock a rhyme. It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time. Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
Not really. It's tricky to rock a rhyme. It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time. Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.
try sitting in a four cornered room staring at candles
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 10:09:49 AM
that might work against wyoming and new mexico state
its questionable whether the read option as is will work in the nfl....we will find out in a couple years as DC's adjust....a read option where the qb is no threat to run will never work in this league
You are missing the point - you can't run a read-option without a mobile QB, but the read-option is not an offensive system - it is a run play (or play action pass) within the offensive system. If you don't have a mobile QB - you don't run that play.
yeah and chippers read option offense requires the qb to be a run threat....thus foles is worthless in it
The OPTION offense he ran at Oregon, utilized the read-option a lot because Kelly wanted to run the ball, control the pace of the game, and wear out the defense. It's obvious he's going to have to adapt it given who is on the team, and if they go with Foles doesn't mean they can or won't run an option based offense - it will just be one without Foles running read plays.
then thats the offense he should install...but by keeping vick he is saying thats not the case
and i cant believe the eagles would hire a college only coach for his offensive philosphy and then have him run an offense that a monkey could run.....they are supposed to be getting a genius read option offensive coach that requires a qb that can actually move
if they arent getting that then why the farg was he hired
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
Not really. It's tricky to rock a rhyme. It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time. Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.
Dick. Now I'll have that in my head the rest of the day.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
Not really. It's tricky to rock a rhyme. It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time. Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.
try sitting in a four cornered room staring at candles
Put mirrors on the walls. Next.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 12, 2013, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
they are going to run the option without the run option
sounds tricky
Not really. It's tricky to rock a rhyme. It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time. Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.
Dick. Now I'll have that in my head the rest of the day.
It could be worse. I could have tried to find a way to tie Barbie Girl into this conversation instead.
Now I'm a fleshpop.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
then thats the offense he should install...but by keeping vick he is saying thats not the case
and i cant believe the eagles would hire a college only coach for his offensive philosphy and then have him run an offense that a monkey could run.....they are supposed to be getting a genius read option offensive coach that requires a qb that can actually move
if they arent getting that then why the farg was he hired
I don't think keeping Vick really has any bearing on what system he implements. He's still completely discardable. Saying what Kelly did at Oregon was just the read option really detracts from the dude's accomplishments there. I'm not saying any of this will translate, but we've gotta see what he picks and chooses. OTAs can't get here soon enough.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 12, 2013, 11:35:14 AM
I don't think keeping Vick really has any bearing on what system he implements.
this is what scares me
resigning vick should only happen for one reason and that is to let a qb who has the skill set to run chippers offense do it for a year as a way of ingraining it into the team/franchise so that even if vick isnt there the rest of the offense would have played in it for a season before they were to hopefully get their qb of the future to run it
however if what you or chipper is saying is that nick foles fits his offense then everyone should be nuked and the hiring of him looks even worse than we all initially thought
the ONLY reason to hire chipper and even this is a stretch was that he was going to have some sort of next level genius type read option based offense that would require at the least a very mobile qb if not a great running qb
now maybe foles gets traded next week but for now we can only go on chippers words (which admittedly have to taken with a grain of salt) from yesterday which were that foles and vick were on equal footing and would battle head to head for the starting qb position....to me that is ludicrous and shows you have absolutely no plan whatsoever
all i know is following the qb position is going to be nutso over the next six months....which is awesome because since the TO/kearse eagle offseasons have been zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2011 offseason was exciting once the lockout ended, it's just that the team put on the field was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Quote
Michael Vick thinks he can run for 1,000 yards in Chip Kelly's offense
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 12, 2013, 11:22 AM EST
With his new contract in hand and his new coach implementing an offense he's excited about, Eagles quarterback Michael Vick believes he's going to have a big year in Philadelphia.
Vick said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that he expects "to be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league again" playing for Chip Kelly. And he referenced his final season with the Falcons, when he ran for an NFL quarterback record 1,039 yards, as something he believes he can match.
"In 2006 I ran for 1,000 yards — and it wasn't hard," Vick said. "I feel like I still can do that."
Although Vick and Kelly haven't spent much time going over Xs and Os, Vick said he likes what he has heard from Kelly so far.
"I could tell that he was innovative, and that's what it's all about in this league," Vick said. "You have to be able to change up from week to week and I think Chip will be able to do that. I think I can handle that."
The Eagles would love for Vick to be the same kind of runner this year that he was in 2006, but one concern is that in 2006, he ran the ball 123 times and was sacked 45 times. It will be hard for him to stay healthy if he takes that many hits, but Vick says he's not stressing about that.
"Once you start trying not to get hurt, that's when you get hurt," Vick said. "I think I have to go out, play lights-out football, and not worry about getting hurt."
A 1,000-yard rushing season is a long shot, but a healthy Vick for 16 games in Chip Kelly's offense would certainly be exciting.
I love how Vick doesn't say he can win the big game at Chipper at the helm, but run for 1,000 yards.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
2011 offseason was exciting once the lockout ended, it's just that the team put on the field was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
the offseason did nothing for me that year in the sense that it was like ok fine they signed a couple promising people....but it was still a wait till the season starts mentality...they also had vick and more than anything they still had andy
in 2004 they already had a sb level caliber team and they added massively to it....the bedwetter wasnt a failure yet and there was no andy fatigue yet...everyone knew they had a 100% legit shot at the superbowl that year...training camp was off the charts incredible...better than probably 75% of eagles games since then
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 12, 2013, 12:14:27 PM
Michael Vick thinks he can run for 1,000 yards in Chip Kellys offense
I love how Vick doesn't say he can win the big game at Chipper at the helm, but run for 1,000 yards.
nor does he mention that if healthy he could be the nfl's first member of the thousand thousand club....1000 rush yards - 1000 fumbles
i like turtles.
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2386/turtlescream.gif)
They had to cancel his book signings because of threats against him and his family. One of which said they'd like to shove his daughter in a pool while hooked up to a battery.
The animal rights nut jobs threatening someone else's life.
Makes sense.
farging dopes
He's a dope for cancelling.
What are they gonna do, storm the f'n book signing, kidnap him and his children who aren't there, and drive them to a hotel that has a pool?
Gimme a break.
Hire a bodyguard and carry on, Puss.
He should think about getting some guard dogs.
c4 to your door no beef no more
Geez. I've gotten' sick of the vindictive animal lovin' nuts. Let it go. Cmon', most all of us have owned dogs, we like and sometimes love them. They can seem like members of the family. But for christ sakes, they are still just fargin' dogs. They're animals. People who threaten to kill other peoples kids because of killing dogs need their heads examined. Suck ass qb or not, he paid for his crimes. He went to faring jail! Let it go.
also people who fight dogs dont do it because they are into animal torturing....they do it for money or competition
the fact that vick got a family dog recently doesnt mean hes going to torture it
many dogfighters own family pets that they love and treat wonderfully
Really, Vicks dog most likely gets treated better than some people treat thier own kids.
Whatever. Dude has been getting death threats for years, I'm sure. Now all of a sudden he can't show up for a book signing?
Why doesn't he use that excuse more often?
I say he's letting the haters win by wimping out. Bring a goddman bodyguard--I'm sure the team would cover that--and inform the police that you'll be there, etc.
who cares- nobody is signing his dumb ass book anyway. stay home mike.
I've never been to one, but I think the author is supposed to do the signing. Hopefully nobody is buying his book though
God knows he didn't actually write it. I doubt he can write a decent paragraph about anything at all.
Quote from: Tomahawk on March 12, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
I've never been to one, but I think the author is supposed to do the signing. Hopefully nobody is buying his book though
correct- buying his book is what I meant to type
http://www.showmike.com/
Okay guys, I've got a great idea. Let's all submit our rides and see if we can't get Vick to do a "home screen" feature of cars from the Eagles fan club Concrete Field.
Tomahawk could post his Gran Torino, or whatever the farg boat that is he pours his lifeblood into.
I could put up my wicked expensive and never-ridden airhead.
igy could post his soccer mom Range Rover. I think Maclin has the same thing. They could be BFFs.
rjs might want to put the chrome wheel covers back on the Alero before we go live with this campaign.
Did Phreak get his stolen truck back? I forget. You know it's got trucknuts and a "WoodChoppa" graphic applied to the back window.
Sassy could post his Vietnam Veteran Memorial road pig and his woman's tagalong too. Or get his mom to haul the Willys out of her barn and submit that.
It'll be pretty awesome.
Who am I forgetting? Zanshin probably drives an Audi or something like that.
What about you and your Volkswagon Cabriolet or Segway?
Have another coffee and try again, soldier.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 07, 2013, 06:53:18 AM
http://www.showmike.com/
Okay guys, I've got a great idea. Let's all submit our rides and see if we can't get Vick to do a "home screen" feature of cars from the Eagles fan club Concrete Field.
Tomahawk could post his Gran Torino, or whatever the farg boat that is he pours his lifeblood into.
I could put up my wicked expensive and never-ridden airhead.
igy could post his soccer mom Range Rover. I think Maclin has the same thing. They could be BFFs.
rjs might want to put the chrome wheel covers back on the Alero before we go live with this campaign.
Did Phreak get his stolen truck back? I forget. You know it's got trucknuts and a "WoodChoppa" graphic applied to the back window.
Sassy could post his Vietnam Veteran Memorial road pig and his woman's tagalong too. Or get his mom to haul the Willys out of her barn and submit that.
It'll be pretty awesome.
Who am I forgetting? Zanshin probably drives an Audi or something like that.
i have not one, but TWO minivans to choose from. so...yeah
land rover
My Kia would put us over the top!
Buick LeSabre man! Or, I could post a pic of my big ass 4WD Redneck 2500 Dodge pickup. 4 inch lift with 12 hundreds all the way around. And don't forget the dual exhausts.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 07, 2013, 06:53:18 AM
http://www.showmike.com/
Okay guys, I've got a great idea. Let's all submit our rides and see if we can't get Vick to do a "home screen" feature of cars from the Eagles fan club Concrete Field.
Tomahawk could post his Gran Torino, or whatever the farg boat that is he pours his lifeblood into.
I could put up my wicked expensive and never-ridden airhead.
igy could post his soccer mom Range Rover. I think Maclin has the same thing. They could be BFFs.
rjs might want to put the chrome wheel covers back on the Alero before we go live with this campaign.
Did Phreak get his stolen truck back? I forget. You know it's got trucknuts and a "WoodChoppa" graphic applied to the back window.
Sassy could post his Vietnam Veteran Memorial road pig and his woman's tagalong too. Or get his mom to haul the Willys out of her barn and submit that.
It'll be pretty awesome.
Who am I forgetting? Zanshin probably drives an Audi or something like that.
1972 Buick Riviera
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/12/1iea.jpg)
if i saw dio's prius i would key that motherfarger then rip up his whole foods value card
pinche hispter weirdo. go watch less sports
It was Russel that had the Prius.
dio probably rides a bike or something...or he has some kind of car or vehicle where he can convince himself hes saving the planet
Quote from: MDS on September 07, 2013, 04:04:35 PM
dio probably rides a bike or something...or he has some kind of car or vehicle where he can convince himself hes saving the planet
He takes public transportation.
Quote from: MDS on September 07, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
if i saw dio's prius i would key that motherfarger then rip up his whole foods value card
pinche hispter weirdo. go watch less sports
Someone drank tequila last night and is on fire today...bring it!
BTW Dio, my stolen truck was found down by where MDS now calls home. I have since gotten rid of that and have a different truck. Never had nor ever will have truck nuts.
But it really does have the Trotter graphic on the back window
I drive a truck, of course. You can't dig ditches and build houses out the back of a prius.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 07, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
But it really does have the Trotter graphic on the back window
I am anti-sticker...I will never put anything but a license plate frame on
What about the thirteen Support Are Troops magnets required by state law?
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 07, 2013, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on September 07, 2013, 06:53:18 AM
http://www.showmike.com/
Okay guys, I've got a great idea. Let's all submit our rides and see if we can't get Vick to do a "home screen" feature of cars from the Eagles fan club Concrete Field.
Tomahawk could post his Gran Torino, or whatever the farg boat that is he pours his lifeblood into.
I could put up my wicked expensive and never-ridden airhead.
igy could post his soccer mom Range Rover. I think Maclin has the same thing. They could be BFFs.
rjs might want to put the chrome wheel covers back on the Alero before we go live with this campaign.
Did Phreak get his stolen truck back? I forget. You know it's got trucknuts and a "WoodChoppa" graphic applied to the back window.
Sassy could post his Vietnam Veteran Memorial road pig and his woman's tagalong too. Or get his mom to haul the Willys out of her barn and submit that.
It'll be pretty awesome.
Who am I forgetting? Zanshin probably drives an Audi or something like that.
1972 Buick Riviera
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/12/1iea.jpg)
My son is in love with those boat tail Buicks. It's his dream car.
Hey Hawk, is that your pickup in the background? That's a cool ass truck.
the farg is this? (http://www.showmike.com/home.html)
Homohawk, you should submit a pic of your car.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 07, 2013, 06:53:18 AM
http://www.showmike.com/
Okay guys, I've got a great idea. Let's all submit our rides and see if we can't get Vick to do a "home screen" feature of cars from the Eagles fan club Concrete Field.
Tomahawk could post his Gran Torino, or whatever the farg boat that is he pours his lifeblood into.
I could put up my wicked expensive and never-ridden airhead.
igy could post his soccer mom Range Rover. I think Maclin has the same thing. They could be BFFs.
rjs might want to put the chrome wheel covers back on the Alero before we go live with this campaign.
Did Phreak get his stolen truck back? I forget. You know it's got trucknuts and a "WoodChoppa" graphic applied to the back window.
Sassy could post his Vietnam Veteran Memorial road pig and his woman's tagalong too. Or get his mom to haul the Willys out of her barn and submit that.
It'll be pretty awesome.
Who am I forgetting? Zanshin probably drives an Audi or something like that.
:sly
On a scale of me to matty in Vegas, how farged up were you when you wrote that?
Somewhere around what it would take to get SD to go see Thelma & Louise at the drive-in.
Lol
Quote from: Diomedes on September 28, 2013, 09:15:55 AM
:sly
Sad part is I can't even play the "I didn't see your post" card because I replied to it. Must not have clicked on the link though because I probably caught feelings over your Vietnam Warpig comment. His open video is hilariously awful though.
Michael Vick has a 35% completion percentage on 3rd downs.
he will be today! goooooooooo team. WIN THE GAME TEAM, WIN!
With that super awesome thin Denver air helping him I can't wait to see how far he overthrows receivers this game.
Anyone know were to find that 'what if Mike Vick was rock cocaine and Irving snorts him gif?
Quote"On the plane ride back from Denver, I literally had tears in my eyes," Vick said of the Eagles' 52-20 loss to the Broncos last Sunday. "I want to win so bad. But I just use that as fuel and motivation for the next game. I just can't see the future that far."
hes so fake i hate i hate it I HATE IT
"I just can't see the future that far" kind of like he just can't see over the offensive line.
hes an unbelievable fraud
i pray everyday for the time when the eagles will have a qb that has the potential to be their future....until then whats the point
The same can be said about a life without hookers and blow.[/matty]
Havas & TexasTodd; hating on Eagle QBs since the beginning of time
wait do you like vick
Yeah
what is wrong with you
he is a horrible person...dog beating aside..and absolutely sucks at being a QB
5 is all of those things but he had a lot of success so i can get some still liking him. but vick has done next to nothing in philly aside from fumble, pout, throw interceptions, grin and say bullshtein things to the media. i dont see anything to like.
idont think hes a terrible person at all....i actually like him off the field....hes just clueless and a terrible qb and a very bad thing for the eagles
you like the guy who tortured animals for his own amusement and profit?
yeah. no.
the only reason i tolerate his existence is because he's the only shot my football team has to win on occasion. the second he's gone i hope he gets hit by a bus.
him being awful, somewhat, isnt his fault
since he was a teenager hes had a camera on him, family and friends hanging on him, seemingly hundreds relying on him to make it so he can support them. that happens to you, its easy to turn out like a POS. especially when you do make it, get 2 100 mil contracts and are a national celebrity.
though i will say the current vick is better than pre prison vick. one was a violent fleshpop the other is a phoney douche
Quote from: Rome on October 05, 2013, 03:51:40 PM
you like the guy who tortured animals for his own amusement and profit?
yeah. no.
the only reason i tolerate his existence is because he's the only shot my football team has to win on occasion. the second he's gone i hope he gets hit by a bus.
i could give a rats ass about some animal i dont even know....frank perdue is also an animal torturer but ill still eat the farg out of some fried chicken
at least i admit it tho....you would tolerate someone who you think is despicable because of a football team...thats the definition of a fraud
True but I tolerate you as well, so...
fair point
Yeah yeah he's a dog killer and all that. But he served his time and I like how he's handled himself since his release. I root for him to do well.
I want him to win every game he starts. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a horrible human being. He's awful and no amount of spit and polish on his handlers' part will ever change that.
Oh so he doesn't have remorse after spending time locked up? Are people condemned for the rest of their lives after paying their debt to society?
they were farging dogs and pit bulls at that....ALL pit bulls should be killed....as far as im concerned he was protecting society
God bless Vick for killing those trained killers that he had trained.
they dont need to be trained....they are born in attack mode...he was making sure they reached their full potential
Quote from: General_Failure on October 05, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
God bless Vick for killing those trained killers that he had trained.
lol
I agree with igor about pit bulls. It's usually only a matter of time before they snap and go off. A friend of mines little 10 year old girl just had one jump up and take a hunk out of her face. The Animal Control officer said it was her fault because she approached the dog when he was on his owners leash. Court case to come.
My dislike of Vick comes from him being a terrible qb. I don't know him, just what I've heard in the media. As long as he's not killing people ala' Hernandez I don't really care what kind of person he is. I just want him to win games which he's not doing and looking ugly not doing it.
all pit bulls do is bite the faces off little kids and kill other dogs so why would I care that they kill each other
Well if you two are on the same page about this one, maybe I should rethink things.
i was thinking that exact same thing
what the hell am i doing wrong
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together – mass hysteria
Quote from: JackStraw on October 06, 2013, 12:30:38 AM
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together – mass hysteria
One of my favorite lines ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2013, 09:33:14 PM
all pit bulls do is bite the faces off little kids and kill other dogs so why would I care that they kill each other
Did you know that a majority of Vick's dogs have been placed with new owners, and some are therapy dogs working with cancer patients and play with children as part of a literacy program?
all pit bulls are nice right up until the point where they eat a babies throat
[sd]Just like women. [/sd]
wrong...women eat your soul
Is that what that stuff is?
^^^^ :-D
Quote from: General_Failure on October 05, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Well if you two are on the same page about this one, maybe I should rethink things.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
i was thinking that exact same thing
what the hell am i doing wrong
You? Wrong? All of us here know that you're never wrong, so it must be me because I'm always wrong. Right?
Buh Bye, sayanora, adios, and all that shtein.
elder white piles on the negro qb when he didnt even play
But he didn't play like shtein, so farg him.
the white backup qb has won two games in place of the negro starter who beat the shtein out of dogs
cottman and frankford crowd STAND UP
eastern shore RISE!!
really this was inevitable
and i dont mind it. vick sucks. this team's ceiling its the wild card round. what the hell, might as well ride the kid.
i hate vick more than anyone....but i hate him cause hes a bad qb....not cause i think foles is good....much less think foles is the second coming of the great white hope which is whats about to happen with the romey shore musnon crowd
oh no doubt...they cant help themselves
foles isnt bad. hes not good. but hes not bad. id ride him until he cools down or the league figures out he cant throw the ball 25 yards down the field.
hes a good back up
is he better than vick
probably not but he should play over him
I agree!
kisses!?!?!!?
I'm not sure why I'm weighing in on a pointless thread, but the reality is neither of these guys is great. Vick is old and wildly inconsistent. Foles is young and we don't know exactly what else. Mediocre advantage: Foles. But since neither of these guys would make an NFL-caliber safety, who cares.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
elder white piles on the negro qb when he didnt even play
Quote from: MDS on October 14, 2013, 02:48:02 AM
the white backup qb has won two games in place of the negro starter who beat the shtein out of dogs
cottman and frankford crowd STAND UP
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 14, 2013, 02:49:21 AM
eastern shore RISE!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 14, 2013, 02:56:15 AM
i hate vick more than anyone....but i hate him cause hes a bad qb....not cause i think foles is good....much less think foles is the second coming of the great white hope which is whats about to happen with the romey shore musnon crowd
Quote from: MDS on October 14, 2013, 02:59:04 AM
oh no doubt...they cant help themselves
Really? This is what this turns into?
Be proud of what this shteinhole has become GF.
Oh I missed that one...didn't realize I was such a big Foles fan :afro
Quote from: shorebird on October 15, 2013, 05:24:21 PM
Be proud of what this shteinhole has become GF.
You're all worthless human beings, stop pretending you're not.
I knew someone was going to catch on to us one day.
QuoteMarcus Vick @MVFive 19m
Y'all Eagle fans should appreciate my brother Mike but y'all don't lmao. #DumbMotherF*****
Quote from: shorebird on October 15, 2013, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
elder white piles on the negro qb when he didnt even play
Quote from: MDS on October 14, 2013, 02:48:02 AM
the white backup qb has won two games in place of the negro starter who beat the shtein out of dogs
cottman and frankford crowd STAND UP
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 14, 2013, 02:49:21 AM
eastern shore RISE!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 14, 2013, 02:56:15 AM
i hate vick more than anyone....but i hate him cause hes a bad qb....not cause i think foles is good....much less think foles is the second coming of the great white hope which is whats about to happen with the romey shore musnon crowd
Quote from: MDS on October 14, 2013, 02:59:04 AM
oh no doubt...they cant help themselves
Really? This is what this turns into?
Be proud of what this shteinhole has become GF.
GREAT WHITE FOLES!!
moron munson backtracked, rome is off the reservation drunk, shore is MIA/dead
i can only imagine what the emb is like. i saw one philly.com comment which was basically "he had a bad game, it happens. vick is 1-3, foles is 2-1."
Quote from: MDS on October 20, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
moron munson backtracked, rome is off the reservation drunk, shore is MIA/dead
lolol
I backtracked? When was I ever on the Foles track?
Nevermind....hippos gonna hippo
Marcus Vick. Is there a bigger piece of shtein on this earth besides bigger pieces of shtein on this earth?
Short answer, no
Quote from: Munson on October 20, 2013, 07:14:53 PM
I backtracked? When was I ever on the Foles track?
Nevermind....hippos gonna hippo
dont you dare question what the resident sharpton and jackson say.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/sports/football/before-signing-a-strong-arm-teams-should-heed-vicks-dark-past.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid%3D=tw-nytsports&_r=4&
Look at this load of shtein
In a league full of rapists and murderers, farg that guy who actually went to jail.
i don't even know why that article needed to be written other than the reporter is a bitter dog lover and will never stop trying to make sure he pays for his crimes.
Exactly...she's a cycling writer for chrissakes.
The comments are amusing in a "are you kidding me" sort of way.
Dead dogs + a guy serving his time >> crimes against humans + getting off easy
vick shouldnt play because he sucks, not because of dogs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2014, 11:11:51 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/sports/football/before-signing-a-strong-arm-teams-should-heed-vicks-dark-past.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid%3D=tw-nytsports&_r=4&
Look at this load of shtein
QuoteWhat Michael Vick did was heinous and indefensible, but not unforgivable.
Good to see there are people that have some perspective.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Apparently-Michael-Vick-ran-a-dogfighting-ring-according-to-the-New-York-Times.html#4D9ci4jOAxgeQPH3.01
LMAO
I'm sitting here in my office laughing like an idiot. That was fantastic, especially the drawings.
That mock article was very Maddox-like
Eagles knit cap? Checkmate you knit cap wearing loser.
:-D
He signed with the Jets after they released Sanchez. 1 year $5M
holy shtein thats way more than i thought hed ever get
Damn I hoped he would come back.
Pimp soon to be a NYJ too now watch
Get Sanchez!
Howie and Chip are dumb enough to think he's good. shtein they'd probably sign him and let Foles go.
Why?
His Chipness' offense is the best no matter who is in there.
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=251597511
Nicely done
Vick didn't write that you jackass.
anyone have a tissue?
seriously that was awesome
I think he did write that, salty farger.
I'll miss Vick more than I'll miss el worm burner.
Funny how cock fighting gets a complete pass here in multicultural land. Organized, razor-spurred, para mutual cock fighting.
But, but, hey it's a cultural celebration. Plus we eat chickens not dogs. So it's ok.
I absolutely love the totally random jstraw appearances.....you need to come around more often dooks
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2014, 09:19:42 PM
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=251597511
Nicely done
Vick is a great story. Of course the dog lovers of the world will always hate him, but the guy changed big time. Maybe it was going from a celebrity millionaire athlete with the world in the palm of his hand to wearing a jumpsuit in prison, but he legitimately changed for the better. He's like a real life Cutty from the Wire.
but the dogggZ112!2!!
Quote from: MDS on January 06, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
vick shouldnt play because he sucks, not because of dogs
(http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/brees_drew-pointing-up.jpg)
What he said.
At least we won't have to deal with dogshtein Marcus anymore....oh wait....
QuoteMVFive
Hey I don't think you Eagle fans understand. I'll go the extra mile to bash you guys now that Mike is gone! Lol #BangBang #NoLimits
QuoteCrossingBroad
@MVFive farg off
Quotebrianstartare
@MVFive don't you have to meet your parole officer? Go get a job.
marcus vick really did a great job being a human troll and i for one will miss him
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 22, 2014, 01:33:26 PM
At least we won't have to deal with dogshtein Marcus anymore....oh wait....
QuoteMVFive
Hey I don't think you Eagle fans understand. I'll go the extra mile to bash you guys now that Mike is gone! Lol #BangBang #NoLimits
QuoteCrossingBroad
@MVFive farg off
Quotebrianstartare
@MVFive don't you have to meet your parole officer? Go get a job.
HA! Awesome!
all the puppy lovers who abandoned the eagles when vick signed can now come back.
that's the headline here.
QuoteOpinions on the Vick signing are sharply divided among fans and media, which isn't a surprise. I happen to think it's a good deal, but I spoke to one longtime front-office executive who believes Vick, 33, is washed up.
"The Jets already have a guy like him ," said the executive, referring to Geno Smith. "If you bring Vick in, you're not thinking. It makes no sense. He's a good kid. He's more mature, he's not a distraction and the players respect him, but he doesn't bring anything to the table anymore — nothing. He can't win with his legs anymore, he has to win with his head. His arm is good enough, but unfortunately, the arm isn't connected to the head."
An AFC personnel scout said of the Vick-for-Sanchez move: "I don't know what to think, to be honest. You swap one out for the other. There's still no long-term solution."
Vick and Geno are nothing alike skill wise. :Racist
Geno has a consistent skillset? Vick's skillset is speed, which is fading. That's pretty much the list.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 24, 2014, 04:17:35 PM
Vick's skillset is speed, which is fading. That's pretty much the list.
he also has goat arm strength
...Which would be super impressive if he could regularly get it where it needs to go.
well accuracy is a skill that he doesnt possess....but to say he doesnt have arm strength as a skill is nuts....in fact his deep balls are a big strength....his problem is when having to throw thru over and around lineman
hes really good in video games and 7 on 7
The Vick Skillset.
Fast
Cannon Arm
Fearless
anyone else want to say something nice (and true)?
Herpes?
What's nice about herpes?
You still got laid
you can play in scab games.
you use cool alias's like Ron Mexico