http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/06/01/decade/index.html
can't say that i would put the eagles anywhere near the top 5. not when they don't have any hardware to showcase.
i did find it funny though that houston ranked ahead of detroit. houston has 2 less years off football than detroit and already matched their win total. i wouldn't doubt it if houston ends the decade with more wins either.
its an interesting question...do you value superbowl wins over all else...mostly all else???
this guy clearly didnt value titles as much as some people might
im not saying the eagles should be behind every superbowl winner but theres no way they should be ahead of the giants
no, i don't put them above all else. if consistancy is the main measuring stick for determining "team of the decade" then the eagles certainly deserve to be in the conversation. but since championships are a factor and there are 3 teams that have more than 1 during this decade (giants, steelers, pats), then the eagles overall consistancy doesn't factor in or carry as much weight. especially when you consider that none of those teams had extended periods of suckage.
i'd probably even rank the bucs ahead of the eagles.
winning seasons:
eagles - 7
bucs - 6
playoff appearances:
eagles - 7
bucs - 5
reg season wins:
eagles-92
bucs - 76
superbowl wins:
eagles - 0
bucs - 1
also, the eagles do have an 8-8 record that doesn't reflect as a "losing" season, but they had to go on a run at the end of the season just to break even.
when it comes down to it, i think that 1 superbowl appearance more than makes up for the 16 reg season win advantage the eagles hold.
same goes for baltimore too. they won 83 games, 6 winning seasons and 5 playoff appearances along with the coveted championship.
if i'm ranking them, i've got
pats
steelers
colts
giants
b-more
bucs
eagles
if the eagles would somehow manage to actually win it all this year, then i move the eagles up to 3.
gold standard
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 04, 2009, 12:07:14 AM
no, i don't put them above all else. if consistancy is the main measuring stick for determining "team of the decade" then the eagles certainly deserve to be in the conversation. but since championships are a factor and there are 3 teams that have more than 1 during this decade (giants, steelers, pats), then the eagles overall consistancy doesn't factor in or carry as much weight. especially when you consider that none of those teams had extended periods of suckage.
i'd probably even rank the bucs ahead of the eagles.
winning seasons:
eagles - 7
bucs - 6
playoff appearances:
eagles - 7
bucs - 5
reg season wins:
eagles-92
bucs - 76
superbowl wins:
eagles - 0
bucs - 1
also, the eagles do have an 8-8 record that doesn't reflect as a "losing" season, but they had to go on a run at the end of the season just to break even.
when it comes down to it, i think that 1 superbowl appearance more than makes up for the 16 reg season win advantage the eagles hold.
same goes for baltimore too. they won 83 games, 6 winning seasons and 5 playoff appearances along with the coveted championship.
if i'm ranking them, i've got
pats
steelers
colts
giants
b-more
bucs
eagles
if the eagles would somehow manage to actually win it all this year, then i move the eagles up to 3.
giants have only one championship but other than that id say that is very accurate breakdown
i like the taterskins commentary
I'm sorry. I know taterskins fans think I'm always trashing their team, but after spending boatloads and boatloads of money this decade, this is all Daniel Snyder has to show for it? The 23rd best team in the NFL in the 2000s? That's something to hang from the rafters. One playoff win. Two playoff appearances. Two winning seasons. Six head coaches. I'm guessing the 1980s seem further away than ever in Washington.
yeah, for some reason i got my thoughts crossed up and added the giants sb loss to baltimore. 2 appearances, with one win.
and yeah, the taterskins commentary is priceless.
espn's all aughts team
polamalu over dawk is a joke
and troy vincent at cb??
Offense
QB: Tom Brady, New England
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
FB: Lorenzo Neal, Cincinnati/S.D./Balt.
WR: Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis
WR: Torry Holt, St. Louis
TE: Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City
T: Walter Jones, Seattle
T: Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore
G: Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh/N.Y. Jets
G: Steve Hutchinson, Seattle/Minnesota
C: Olin Kreutz, Chicago
Defense
DE: Michael Strahan, N.Y. Giants,
DT: Warren Sapp, Tampa Bay/Oakland
DT: Kris Jenkins, Carolina/N.Y. Jets
DE: Jason Taylor, Miami/Washington
LB: Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay
LB: Ray Lewis, Baltimore
LB: Brian Urlacher, Chicago
CB: Champ Bailey, Washington/Denver
CB: Troy Vincent: Phil./Mia./Buff./Wash.
S: Ed Reed, Baltimore
S: Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh
So they're going with three middle linebackers?
Typical ESPN, no RTs or RG's, Hutch, Faneca, Ogden, and Jones all played the left side their whole career. They probably just do it by counting up PB appearances.
(Brooks btw is a RLB and Polamalu plays SS)
A Trotterless list is a travesty of justice
Top 25 Players of the Decade
1. Tom Brady QB NE
The NFL's Horatio Alger hero in cleats was drafted in the sixth round and became one of the greatest quarterbacks of a generation. The four-time Pro Bowler played in four Super Bowls this decade, winning three and being named MVP of two. (TG)
2. Peyton Manning QB IND
The three-time MVP made eight Pro Bowls, was first-team All-Pro four times and won a Super Bowl this decade. Widely regarded as the league's most irreplaceable player. (PK)
3. LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD
Without a doubt, Tomlinson is the best non-quarterback to play in this decade. He has gained at least 1,000 yards in each of his eight NFL seasons. One of the most consistent running backs ever to play. (BW)
4. Walter Jones T SEA
Mike Holmgren called Jones the best offensive player he ever coached. That's saying something. (MS)
5. Jason Taylor DE MIA
Few defenders can match Taylor's resume. The NFL's active career sacks leader was chosen for six Pro Bowls this decade. Taylor was named the league's defensive player of the year in 2006 and the Walter Payton Man of the Year in 2007 for his community service. (TG)
6. Champ Bailey CB DEN
The gold standard of cornerbacks this decade. Bailey is a complete player who shut down the left side of the field nearly all decade. (BW)
7. Marvin Harrison WR IND
Seven straight Pro Bowls, two first-team All-Pro selections and a Super Bowl win this decade. His 143 receptions in 2002 stand as the single-season record and he's got a 20-catch cushion on the next closest player. (PK)
8. Michael Strahan DE NYG
One of the most prolific pass-rushers in history of the league. He was relentless and he helped lead the way to a world title in 2007. (MM)
9. Ray Lewis LB BAL
Lewis is the top-rated linebacker of this decade with a Super Bowl victory and seven Pro Bowls since 2000. But No. 9 still seems a little low for the future Hall of Famer and one of the most dominant defenders ever to play the game. (JW)
10. Tony Gonzalez TE ATL
The best receiving tight end ever to play in the NFL. If you don't think so, look at the top of every important receiving record for NFL tight ends. You'll see Gonzalez's name on every list. (BW)
11. Jonathan Ogden T BAL
As the most consistent player on Baltimore's usually inconsistent offense, Ogden will probably never get as much credit as he deserved. But his football journey will land him in Canton soon. (JW)
12. Ed Reed S BAL
In a decade when mostly hard-hitting safeties ruled the NFL, Reed brought "ball-hawking" back to the position. His hands, anticipation and knack for the spectacular play are as good as any safety in NFL history. (JW)
13. Torry Holt WR JAC
Seven Pro Bowls, one first-team All-Pro selection, two Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl win this decade with the St. Louis Rams. A major component of an out-of-nowhere team that became "The Greatest Show on Turf." (PK)
14. Randy Moss WR NE
He was edged out by Torry Holt for the all-decade team, but Moss is one of the league's all-time greats. He has gone to four Pro Bowls this decade, averaging 77 catches for 1,164 yards and 12 touchdowns. (TG)
15. Derrick Brooks LB TB
Best player in Tampa Bay's history. Most important building block in Bucs going from laughing stock to Super Bowl champions. Brooks was a leader on the field and in the community. (PY)
16. Orlando Pace T CHI
At the height of his career, Pace was the most dominant left tackle in the game. No one could get around him as the St. Louis Rams set a series of offensive records. Injuries have slowed him down recently, but he hopes to finish his career strongly in Chicago. (KS)
17. Kurt Warner QB ARI
Took two franchises to the Super Bowl this decade and had three total appearances (one following the 1999 season). Still going strong. (MS)
18. Shaun Alexander RB SEA
The only player in NFL history to score 15 touchdowns in five consecutive seasons. Averaged 1,501 yards rushing and 17.4 rushing touchdowns per season over a five-year period. (MS)
19. Troy Polamalu S PIT
Polamalu is just approaching his prime, but already has two Super Bowl wins and five Pro Bowls in six seasons. He has the potential to make the next decade's list as well. (JW)
20. Richard Seymour DE NE
The Patriots defensive end has been All-Pro three times and a Pro Bowler five times. He's strong against the run and can create havoc in the pocket, collecting 39 sacks in eight seasons. (TG)
21. Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT
"Big Ben" joins Tom Brady as the only quarterbacks to win multiple Super Bowls in this decade. Despite joining the NFL in 2004, that was enough for Roethlisberger to make the cut. (JW)
22. Steve Hutchinson G MIN
Considered the best guard in the game since shortly after Seattle drafted him in 2001. Has helped Minnesota rank in the NFL's top five in rushing twice in three seasons with the Vikings. (KS)
23. Brett Favre QB
Finished last season atop the NFL's list for all-time passing yardage and touchdowns. (Interceptions, too.) Named to his 10th Pro Bowl at age 39. (KS)
24. Terrell Owens WR BUF
He has put up Hall of Fame-worthy numbers and he continues to be a dangerous receiver into his mid-30s. (MM)
25 Brian Urlacher LB CHI
The NFL's best defensive rookie in 2000, the best defensive player in 2005 and the captain of a team that went to the Super Bowl in 2006. A quasi-defensive back in college, Urlacher is a perfect fit for the Tampa 2 scheme that requires the middle linebacker to cover the deep third of the field. (KS)
it's hard to argue that although i think that when looking at the entire decade, you've got to go with dawk at one of the safety spots.
i'd also take favre off that list completely. hell, in terms of performance on the field, mcnabb has been far better this decade than st favre. but favre makes the list simply because he's favre. at least si had the decency to rank him near the bottom.
i could maybe see farve if his superbowl was this decade...without that title his inclusion is ridiculous...
theres also no way torry holt should be ahead of moss or TO and probably shouldnt be on the list at all
and yes dawk should easily be ahead of polamalu
Holt is a winner. TO and Moss are primadonas. He definitely belongs on the list.
Yeah but he might be without a doubt the worst winner ever in the history of winners in the NFL.
8 consec years of ridiculous numbers like that with a SB ring..no question Holt belongs there
but he should be below Moss
Moss is a freak and belongs on the list, but his Oakland years taint him and showed his true colors. Front runner.
rjs is right.
The triplets are wrong.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 26, 2009, 02:36:39 PM
Moss is a freak and belongs on the list, but his Oakland years taint him and showed his true colors. Front runner.
Hell..you want to talk about freak look no further than TO's numbers--you could easily argue he could be above Moss
you can make arguments all the way around. hes so low because hes hated that much
My post was 100% sarcasm.
torry holt is a nice wr but has inflated numbers due to a system
moss you build an entire system around...hes that good
jim johnson wasnt building a game plan around stopping torry holt in the 2001 nfc champiosnhip
if holt had significantly better numbers i could see a stats vs the better player argument...but moss has better numbers to go along with being a far superior player...its not even a contest
Front running softbatch assbag.
So the Eagles are the 4th best team of the decade but don't have any of the top 25 players. Must be great coaching.