Another WR.... ooooh.
This guy is not making the team.
PS written all over him.
I guess they're not trading for Boldin.
Apparently this kid can never make it out of the trainer's room. Looooooooooooooong injury history.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2009, 04:59:01 PM
Apparently this kid can never make it out of the trainer's room. Looooooooooooooong injury history.
he must of been out at least a few times he set a bunch of records.
His list of accomplishments is long and distinguished.
Yeah, so is my johnson.
TOP GUN
Are you guys really getting bent, because a late 6th rounder looks like ass? Christ. Wait'll the 7th rounders.
So, I'm hearing some of the pundits talk this guy up. Why?
http://www.wsufootballblog.com/2009/01/did-brandon-gibson-miss-nfl-gravy-train.html
QuoteDid Brandon Gibson Miss the NFL Gravy Train?
As Art Thiel of the now-dying Seattle P-I surmised recently, "Hindsight is always perfect, and speculation is always easy." While I am not so sure about speculation being easy, I agree on the hindsight part. Almost anyone can look at something that has happened, then gone back in their minds to declare "Yeah, you know I should have done THAT a little differently." We all do it - big and small, young and old, and we do it almost every day.
So, naturally it's human nature to look at Brandon Gibson's senior year and wonder - did he make the right decision? Could Gibson have blown his shot at big NFL money? Or, did a less-than-stellar senior year not really impact his 2009 NFL draft standing??
Now we have news that Gibson will head to the Senior Bowl. This is an excellent chance for him to show his abilities in front of NFL coaches and executives who will closely scrutinize every prospect on both rosters. Per the article:
The Senior Bowl is perhaps college football's premier pre-draft event, annually featuring the nation's best senior football stars and top NFL draft prospects on teams coached by NFL coaching staffs. Senior Bowl practices and weekly festivities are attended by more than 800 general managers, head coaches, assistant coaches, scouts and other front-office personnel from all 32 NFL teams.
Other than the combine, there won't be a better shot to show what he can do, against other hungry, prospective draft picks.
But to look forward, we must look back. First of all, let's look at Gibson's 2007 season.
Catches: 67
Yards: 1180
Average: 17.6 per catch
TD: 9
Yards per game: 107.3
Add in that he was first-team All-Pac-10 while leading the conference in yards per game, and finishing #2 to Arizona's Mike Thomas in TD's and catches per game.
Pretty impressive. Even while sharing the stage with a 70-catch WR in Michael Bumpus, and a 50+ catch tight end in Jed Collins, Gibson was still the brightest star. Now obviously it helped things having the guy throwing you the ball as an experienced, smart, senior QB who was breaking a lot of school records in the process. But Gibson was as good as any WR on the west coast in 2007.
As everyone knows, Gibson flirted with the NFL evaluation committee after that breakout '07 season, but based on the feedback, it wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement for his NFL stock. While the exact round has never been revealed, we have heard it was anywhere between a late 3rd-round pick to a late 5th rounder, likely dependent on the progress of his individual workouts in pre-draft situations.
Now, a lot of us wouldn't scoff at being a mid-round NFL draft choice. You get a contract, you get a signing bonus of some kind, but to go a step further? Unlike undrafted free agents, as a draft pick you get every opportunity to make an NFL club! Today's GM's go to great lengths to get value from their picks. If that means the player makes the club and is inactive, whether they are on the practice squad, or even if the GM trades them to another club for future considerations, they will do everything they can to get value. And Brandon Gibson would have had value in the league this year.
The other side to it is what are the immediate needs of the player? Are they in serious financial straits, where they must leap for whatever money they can get at the time? Or maybe they are an uninterested member of the student body who is counting down the days to get the hell outta Pullman. In either case, if the player is going to be drafted, then it makes sense to go for it, even if you are a second-rounder or a second day NFL draft choice.
But as we know, Gibson came back. We hailed it as a big "get" for Paul Wulff, maybe his biggest recruit of his first season.
But then 2008 happened:
Catches: 57 (in 13 games, two more than 2007)
Yards: 673
Average: 11.8 per catch
TD: 2
Yards per game: 51.8
Not as impressive is it? Well, OK, it IS impressive to an extent. Especially when you consider the woeful QB and offensive line situations that completely hammered the progress and ideals of what the offense COULD have been in '08. Heck, it got so bad the team had to reduce the offensive playbook by more than 50%. But it's not hard to argue that Gibson's 2008 was night and day different compared to 2007, and it's not even close.
All that said, one might assume Gibson's NFL draft stock is in some serious trouble. Believe it or not, he's hanging in there.
DraftCountdown.com: Mid-round pick. Gibson clocks in at 6-1, 202, running a 4.55 40-time. Strengths include decent height and bulk, good route runner, excellent hands, technically sound. Weaknesses are a lack of great speed or quickness and lacking a real burst who doesn't get a lot of separation. Lacks a huge amount of upside.
NFLDraftScout.com: They seem to like him here, projected as a possible 3rd or 4th round pick.
ConsensusDraftServices.com: They like him less than NFL draft scout, and project him as a 5th rounder.
FFToolbox.com: They still like him too. While not projected to go in the first two rounds, they do have him at #99 in their top-100 prospects. That's good for a 3rd round pick or maybe early 4th.
But again, you can't base EVERYTHING on his senior year. NFL execs will look at the full body of work, but, the workouts and interviews will matter much, much more.
Sounds sort of like another Avant.
Jed Collins. LOL.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 28, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
Sounds sort of like another Avant.
Exactly what I was thinking. Do not need.
gibson is more athletic than avant and has some yack ability
avant is run one yard further than the first down marker turnaround catch ball fall down
not that there's anything wrong with that
not at all...avant is a pros pro and super valuable...i wasnt comapring the two and trying to say i like gibson better or anything just that they arent exactly alike other than both having nice size and lacking top end speed...which you could say about 100 wr's
True that. All hail Brandon Gibson, then.
Boldin lacks top end speed. Gibson was a yac wr, he was a beast before his senior year. I'll be surprised if he makes the team, when you already have
Pimp
Curtis
Maclin
Reggie
Baskett
Avant
Amendola
Gibson
Locks:
Jackson
Curtis
Maclin
Probables:
Baskett
Avant
Who the hell knows?:
Cheggie OchoSeis
Gibson
LOL @:
Amendola
Gibson is a prime candidate to have an injury pop up that magically 6puts him on IR. If one of the top 5 guys goes down with an injury in camp or the pre-season, a door is opened. I don't see them carrying more than 5, though.
Trade Reggie. Cut Amendola. That's two less WRs to fight for a spot on the roster.
i would def put avant in the lock category
Yeah, agreed. I keep forgetting that he actually has a really good niche on this team.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 10:22:05 AM
Locks:
Jackson
Curtis
Maclin
Avant
Probable:
Baskett
Who the hell knows?:
Cheggie OchoSeis
Gibson
LOL @:
Amendola
Either way, Gibson has a much better chance of making the team than I initially thought. I would actually put his odds higher than Reggie's to be on the opening day roster.
Amendola will be a ST'er, i cant see him doing anything on the field other than as a gunner
gibson is a shot at upgrading basketts position imo...and if he can adequetely learn the offense it wouldnt suprise me at all if he made the team at the expense of hanky poo
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:36:45 AM
gibson is a shot at upgrading basketts position imo...and if he can adequetely learn the offense it wouldnt suprise me at all if he made the team at the expense of hanky poo
Oh Noes
It'll be interesting to see what they do with him and Reggie.
Put them ear to ear and make a wind sock?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
gibson is more athletic than avant and has some yack ability
avant is run one yard further than the first down marker turnaround catch ball fall down
so avant = chad lewis?
he doesnt have the roll part down yet but hes trying
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:48:34 AM
he doesnt have the roll part down yet but hes trying
They say it takes 3-4 years for a WR to develop and this is Avant's fourth year....
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
gibson is more athletic than avant and has some yack ability
avant is run one yard further than the first down marker turnaround catch ball fall down
so avant = chad lewis?
Big white dudes.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 28, 2009, 10:51:03 AMThey say it takes 3-4 years for a WR to develop and this is Avant's fourth year....
Who is 'they?'
Quote from: Freddie Mitchell on April 27, 2009, 11:08:07 PM... fans expect great things right away and it really takes 3 – 4 years to really get what you want out of a receiver ...
:paranoid
Quote from: Diomedes on May 01, 2009, 07:33:23 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 28, 2009, 10:51:03 AMThey say it takes 3-4 years for a WR to develop and this is Avant's fourth year....
Who is 'they?'
Whitey
Gibson=Practice Squad
I anyone here really married to Hank Baskett, or Jason Avant for that matter? I mean, who cares about those guys? If this dude can come in and be an improvement would anyone shed a tear?
I like both players but no, I'm not "married" to either one. If they happen to be the best players in camp, fine. If not, then keep whoever beats them out. I don't think anyone is really that attached to the 4th or 5th receivers on this team.
I don't know. I sense a lot of gooey feelings over that white dude, Avant. And we all know about Hank Baskestt Hysteria...
Cut everyone.
if there are any fans that would rather have an inferior player make the team and/or play over a better player then they should be cut.......in the throat
Avant's a great 3rd down receiver. I doubt he'll ever escape that role but he's found his niche.
Avant isn't a great anything. He had like 30 catches last year and about a quarter of his yards in a single game. He's fine for what he is but they could upgrade that spot REALLY easily.
Does Avant have the best hands on the team?
He has the best stop drop and roll on the team.
i agree with rjs....i dont think there really is such a thing as a great 3rd down wr...theres a name for that its called a #1 or 2 wr
that said avant catches the ball when its thrown his way and you cant say that about everyone...he absolutely can be ugraded and i believe gibson is a candidate to do that
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
He has the best stop drop and roll on the team.
He doesn't have the roll down yet fool
Seriously. We've been over this.
I like Avant a lot.
And I disagree that there is no such thing as a 3rd guy. We see them all over the league. Guys who lack top flight speed, or guys who don't have the optimum height or whatever...they are niche guys. That's what Avant is. A tough over the middle guy who picks up first downs.
Curtis was a great 3rd down receiver when he played in St. Louis. He should still be one in Philly but he's been square pegged into starting by the fat man.
Hopefully Maclin will surpass him at some point and join da pimp as a full-time starter. That would relegate Curtis to #3 and Avant to #4. After that I don't care who they have on the team.
Avant is an absolute lock to make this team... and he should be.
Like Phreak said, he's got a niche on this team as he has a knack for coming up with a catch on 3rd down to keep the chains moving. Of those 32 catches last year, 22 of those went for 1st downs. 42 of his 62 catches over his 3 years here moved the chains. Those guys are important. No, he's not the most explosive guy... but he catches damn near everything McNabb throws his way.
Gibson can make this team, but unless he can display those same qualities Avant does and display them better, Reggie or Baskett need to be the ones worried about their spots.
Watch, I already know where this convo is about to go...
signed....4-yr deal
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 02, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Watch, I already know where this convo is about to go...
Quotesigned....4-yr deal
Well, I bet you didn't see that coming.