Macklin - C
Shady - A
Day - B
Maclin: C+. I'm still trying to come around on this. One of his knocks was that he isn't a consistent route runner, which equals little time in game in Reid's offense.
Shady: B+. A lot of what they needed. I really think he winds up eclipsing Westy by the end of the year, and becomes THE guy in two seasons, with Westy wrapping it up.
Overall: B. I like the picks, but I am unsure how much Maclin helps them right away. Shady needs to touch the ball 10+ times a game, minimum.
Mack - B
Shady - A
Day 1 - A...I know the math isnt right, but we could look back at this day in 5 years and say that today was the day that was the turning point for the franchise - for the offense, at least...or we could have another pinkston/hamner duo...who knows, but the potential for the former is better than that of the latter.
A-
they got two guys that could have been top 5 picks in next year's draft and only gave up the Kelly Holcomb 6th-rder to get them. Most had Maclin as a top-7 pick or no later than 10.
TE and CB are next on the want list.....maybe trade a bunch of those 5s to get back into the 4th
STOP CALLING HIM WESTY
Quote from: PPinDC on April 25, 2009, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
STOP CALLING HIM WESTY
Wsty?
Westbrook.
Is it that farging hard? Westy is the stupidest name ever...my blood literally boils when I hear someone call him that. Im turning into IGY.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
STOP CALLING HIM WESTY
ha
he def doesnt play hockey
so does macklin get pimps PR touches or with demps a possible starter does he only get his KR's
i wont be very happy if pimp becomes a full time wr
I'd give both Maclin and McCoy a B+.
Once Moreno was gone, there was no one besides Pettigrew that I would have preferred at 21 (would have considered Donald Brown), and McCoy seems to be a good fit for the offense. I think they got good value out of both of the picks, though I would rather have traded the 1st for Boldin.
Mack - KR
Pimp - PR
Mack, Pimp & Shady...I farging love it.
shady be mackin and pimpin
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 11:29:26 PM
Mack - KR
Pimp - PR
the more i think about this the more i think hes gonna take over both duties...just because pimp proved hes worthy of full time wr status and does anyone see macklin getting real run at wr next year?
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Im sure Andy sees what Pimp did at WR last year and will let Mack do his thing out there
the stupid nicknames get an F.
says the guy named "mike hunt"
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 11:44:28 PM
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someone drank at the pub with some marlin fans tonight
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 11:45:41 PM
Im sure Andy sees what Pimp did at WR last year and will let Mack do his thing out there
where does he fit in tho
man curtis at z pimp at the x and mack at the y would be some smurf like football...i see avant running x and hank coming in for him...mack to me next year is a speedball you bring in periodically but mostly just a return guy
remove reggie, insert mack. goodnight.
i dont see it but im on board
Well an exciting day - certainly not a typical Eagles day-one. Sure seems like Andy continues with an "all in" philosophy - fastballs typically resulting in either big plays (possibly including points) interspersed with irritating amounts of 3 & outs. Score enough and you win, but I think we'll see the D on the field a lot regardless.
If they stock D players tomorrow, I'll feel somewhat reassured.
Third & short...goal to go...field goals instead of TD's...WR's who can get off the press when it counts... I don't know if team got a whole lot better at that. Recent changes at line, if they gel, will help for sure. Pettigrew might have been a little more to my taste. I hope they get more than steaming turds for Brown. I pray six ways to Sunday that Akers has a good year left in him.
so are you saying mack wont help them in the red zone by going up and getting the balls that no one else on the team is capable of?
If history is any guidance, not in his first year. At 6-6, 260, I might like Pettigrews chances (and his blocking) in the ez a little more in 09. But who knows - maybe the Eagles buck the well-stacked odds two years in a row.
i was being...how do the europeans say it?...facetious
Maclin - A
McCoy - A
Overall: A
I can't believe Maclin was there. I was ecstatic that he dropped. He's an absolute beast and he's going to be a pro bowler in this league IMO. He's going to be the true #1 WR for this team for a long time. He's going to play outside. He won;t start there, but ultimately he will be the #1 outside WR.
I suppose they took the best available at the positions they needed. B+
I was salty that they did not get Moreno. But other than Pettigrew being that Maclin fell, they got a great value pick. The guy has the skills to really benefit this team.
I mean, they addressed the WR position seriously the last two years.
Maclin: B+
Shady: A
I love the Shady pick.
maclin - b+
shady - b
overall - b
Quote from: PPinDC on April 25, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
but I am unsure how much Maclin helps them right away.
jackson is the first rookie reciever drafted by reid to start/contribute from season's beginning to end so there's always the concern that a rook may not pick up the playbook right away. but even if he doesn't see a lot of time at wideout, he can still step in and return punts (which would reduce the amount of hits jackson takes) or maybe even get in on kick returns. either way, he can still make contributions to the team from other areas.
and even though i'm more interested in the "win now", it's hard not to like a move that could potentially give you a dynamic duo of recievers for the next 5+ seasons.
forget reid
rookie wr's dont do shtein period
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 03:00:24 AM
forget reid
rookie wr's dont do shtein period
anquon boldin and randy moss say hi
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 03:00:24 AM
forget reid
rookie wr's dont do shtein period
Normally true, but for whatever those small speed guys seemed to have had something last year. I think the trend continues. I was absolutely ecstatic about both picks yesterday. I give them an A.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2009, 03:01:18 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 03:00:24 AM
forget reid
rookie wr's dont do shtein period
anquon boldin and randy moss say hi
And Eddie Royal, and Calvin Johnson, and Andre Johnson, etc and so on.
But more often than not, they don't do shtein their first year.
Maclin = C+
I don't like the WR in the first round very much and would have preferred Pettigrew, who would probably see the field on offense more than Maclin. That said, watch Andy make me eat my words and immediately get Maclin in the top 3 rotation of WR's and in on KR's.
EDIT: Peters = A
Look at the players available at #28 yesterday. The Eagles did well to trade that pick away for someone that can help them win now.
McCoy = A-
He may be a hell of a football player, but I hope he can pick up the Eagles blocking schemes. Smarter guys haven't been able to. Anyway, I would have picked him hands-down at that point also. Very good value for the late 2nd round.
Overall = A- (edited)
Good job. Pettigrew in the first would have been an A overall. Trading one of the remaining picks for Boldin would have been an A++. The Eagles need to win now and might have gotten some picks to do it yesterday. Or might not have.
Edit: I had forgotten about trading 28 for Peters. Taking that pick off the board was a great move.
Maclin: C for need, A for value.
Peters trade: B for need, B for value.
McCoy: A+ for need, B for value.
I think eventually I'll be happier that they drafted Maclin, but right now I just see too many other positions that need help.
Peters is a Pro Bowler, Maclin was a consensus top 10 pick that fell into their laps, and McCoy was a guy that a lot of draft dorks had them taking in the first round.
None of us know how it's going to work out, but on paper? Yesterday has to grade out as an all-time haul for quantity and quality.
A+
You're right. my only beef is that the team had much bigger needs than WR.
If Moreno was still on the board and they went with Maclin then I would have thrown a thrombo. Since he wasn't and McCoy fell into their laps later I'm fine with the pick.
I'm just happy Reid didn't pull his usual "we're smarter than everyone else" bullshtein by picking some farger like the Raiders did in the second.
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
Peters is a Pro Bowler, Maclin was a consensus top 10 pick that fell into their laps, and McCoy was a guy that a lot of draft dorks had them taking in the first round.
None of us know how it's going to work out, but on paper? Yesterday has to grade out as an all-time haul for quantity and quality.
A+
Reminds me of when Bunkley dropped to 14 and Justice slipped to the second round.
Maclin = B+
Originally, I liked it but I couldn't help thinking... "Well, if you're going to go WR in the 1st... why not send it to ARZ?"... but in reality, if that can't get done, they still came away with the 2nd rated WR and a player who could have been a top 10 pick, and only used a 6th to go get him. That's pretty damn good.
McCoy = A
I came into this draft wanting Knowshon... bad... and I was pissed like hell when Denver snatched him up. But other than him, more than Donald Brown, more than Beanie... I wanted Shady. Reid obviously loves the scatbacks and Shady is a damn good one. If he can show he can learn the protection, he can actually get on the field and we might see some of those split back sets that were supposed to happen with Booker.
Overall Day 1 = A-
For what was presented to them, they did a damn good job of snatching up some playmakers. This draft is about the skill positions for the Eagles and they brought in two explosive ones. Can't knock that. If they both pan out, this offense has a great set of skillplayers for the next half-decade or so.
and no QB.
I say Day 1 gets a B+.....it'll become an A after we see these 2 guys contrinute. Maclin was a surprize pick and I even forgot he was still available when the pick came up. I was like "WTF" but they stuck to the board and took the Best Available. I was also happy McCoy fell since some had him going in the 1st.
On a side note, people are bitching about a "big back" again. Do people forget that Leonard Weaver can carry the ball and did so effectively in Seattle? He's your "big back" people - and don't forget the O-Line is much improved for the run and should get more of a push then in the past. You can also Stick Cole in at LG, Manneans out to LT, and use Peters as a "blocking" TE in goal line and short yardage situations.....
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
Maclin was a consensus top 10 pick
nah...he went 19th.
i don't expect either guy to do much this season...but they'll be a couple nice weapons for cobb to work with in a few years.
He went 19 because Al Davis is a farging moron.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2009, 07:44:09 AM
my only beef is that the team had much bigger needs than WR.
First time that could be said in the AR era. Seriously, did you ever think you would be able to say that about an AR team sans the TO saga?
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 26, 2009, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2009, 07:44:09 AM
my only beef is that the team had much bigger needs than WR.
First time that could be said in the AR era. Seriously, did you ever think you would be able to say that about an AR team sans the TO saga?
I've never been an 'oh my god the team needs a WR!' guy, but yeah as far as I'm concerned they were good enough there to focus on other things. I don't knock the pick though. Lots of talent and should fit into the offense since he has experience running short routes.
They still don't have a real #1 WR. But we'll see if one develops this year.
I guess that's what I have to get past. The draft so far fits Reidco's scheme perfectly so yeah, an "A" for that. But silly me for wanting blocking and bruising, short yardage conversions, ball control, give-the-D-some-time-to-rest type players.
Cause on the other side of the pill, can the front 4 ever get penetration on their own, can somebody get them off the field on third, can they not fall apart during crucial game points? What are their shut-down backfield answers after Asante now? (paying for Plax's NRA membership renewals for the next 3 years is a good strategy) They'd be helped a lot by not being on the field so much.
Games where the "last team to get the ball still has a chance to win" means opponents win more 'cause you-know-who isn't, lets say, the master of that domain.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2009, 11:48:45 AM
...should fit into the offense since he has experience running short routes.
...where he will promptly receive ankle contusions from the ball
The bigger needs than WR were addressed. RB and OT. TE is not a bigger need than WR IMO. I really like Celek, and Pettigrew is an excellent blocker, but isn't the best receiving TE. To take him at 19 would've been passing on the best bang for your buck. Maclin is a better player than Pettigrew and the Eagles can still address TE.
But I can certainly see why someone would like Pettigrew. I like him myself, but Maclin is a better player.
A
They got weapons for McNabb, what more can you ask for.
Jason Peters should also be included in this since they dealt a day one pick for him.
Domowitch's overall grade:
QuoteGrading the Eagles' draft weekend
LeSean McCoy (left) and Jeremy Maclin get a tour of the Eagles' locker room from equipment manager John Hatfield on Sunday.
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The draft is over and the grades are in ... Here is how we grade out the Eagles and the three other teams in the NFC East:
EAGLES
1, 19, Jeremy Maclin, Missouri, WR
2, 53, Le Sean McCoy, Pittsburgh, RB
5, 153, Cornelius Ingram, Florida, TE
5, 157, Victor "Macho" Harris, Virginia Tech, CB
5, 159, Fenuki Tupou, Oregon, OT
6, 194, Brandon Gibson, Washington State, WR
7, 213, Paul Fanaika, Arizona State, G
7, 230, Moise Fokou, Maryland, OLB
Analysis: Swung two separate trades that got them a Pro Bowl left tackle (Jason Peters) and a 4-year starting cornerback (Ellis Hobbs). Got one of the draft's top two wide receivers (Jeremy Maclin) in the first round and some much-needed help for Brian Westbrook in the second (LeSean McCoy). All in all, a helluva draft. Grade: A+
It's hard to complain about it right now, which means it will turn out sucky.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
It's hard to complain about it right now, which means it will turn out sucky.
Yeah, hopefully it doesn't turn out like the draft when they got Justice.
Prisco says A+ for the Eagles
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11680126
LOL Cowboys
hes way off on denver...i thought they had a great draft
and i hope ingram isnt the new lj ...you have to wonder if hes seen the eagles play this decade
I usually watch the draft with a Cowboy fan friend of mine, and he always rips into Jerry Jones and curses at the TV. He was away on vacation this year but he emailed me this year's rant. Cowboys fans are just stunned about how bad this draft seems right now.
Prisco undermines his whole analysis by stating that the Eagles need a "new LJ Smith". But I think his grades are pretty close to the consensus. Of course I also think draft day grades are about as meaningful as mock drafts... they paint a picture of how the future could be with these new players, but their predictive power is close to nil.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 10:22:19 PM
hes way off on denver...i thought they had a great draft
and i hope ingram isnt the new lj ...you have to wonder if hes seen the eagles play this decade
You seem to be the only person who likes the DEN draft...all the people on TV and in print have been ripping them.
What do you love about it?
moreno
ayers
smith
name me any team that took three better players than those
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
It's hard to complain about it right now, which means it will turn out sucky.
I remember being so excited after the Bunkley/Justice draft since it was like two first round picks.
Bunkley at least turned out to be a decent player.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 26, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
It's hard to complain about it right now, which means it will turn out sucky.
I remember being so excites after the Bunkley/Justice draft since it was like two first round picks.
Bunkley at least turned out to be a decent player.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 10:45:40 PM
moreno
ayers
smith
name me any team that took three better players than those
Maclin
Shady
Ohmufargu
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 10:45:40 PM
moreno
ayers
smith
name me any team that took three better players than those
Well, I guess the way I see it, and the way others see it...those guys are good, and I like each of them. But how do they fit there. They went out and signed three backs, have another three on hand...and they traded a one next year for Smith.
Trading a one, with Kyle Orton as your QB and a suspect defense, is dangerous. If they shtein the bed and end up giving up a high pick, was Smith really worth it then?
if smith is as good a player as people think he will be then it was worth it...i mean you can over analyze anything and come up with a reason why a pick was bad but a great player is a great player and i think the broncos got arguably three players who were the best at their respective positons in the entire draft...and thats a pretty crazy thing to be able to say
i could rip the macklin pick by saying they drafted pimp last year why do they need another smallish wr when thats basically all they have...so how does he fit?...but instead its a great pick because macklin is a superior talent who fell...broncos basically did what the eagles do and that is to take the best player regardless of "fit"...but somehow it good for one team but not the other?
love the picks. offensive weapons is exactly what they needed. really like the McCoy pick. now a healthy dose of the running game and i could get half excited about the season. :yay :yay
they drafted a playmaking wr #1...i wouldnt get too excited about a running game
Point taken, but it seemed to me that DEN didn't have a plan. Those three could pan out, but I'm just not in love with their draft. Their whole approach to the offseason has seemed clusterfargish...but maybe I'm not seeing what you are.
I don't get the Robert Ayers deal, he was one of those guys that suddenly sky rocketed up the charts. He is a solid player I just don't see him as a 3-4 guy.
i think ayers is easily the best DE in this draft...granted not a strong class at that position but i really like him
and im not talking offseason j...i hated the cutler trade for them...im strictly talking what they got in the last two days compared to other teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:20:57 PM
i think ayers is easily the best DE in this draft...granted not a strong class at that position but i really like him
and im not talking offseason j...i hated the cutler trade for them...im strictly talking what they got in the last two days compared to other teams
I like Orakpo, I don't buy the looks like Tarzan plays like Jane analogy, got to see him quite a bit he is a big time player. Hate to see the Skins get him. They were listing Ayers as a LB, which kind of surprises me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:20:57 PM
i think ayers is easily the best DE in this draft...granted not a strong class at that position but i really like him
and im not talking offseason j...i hated the cutler trade for them...im strictly talking what they got in the last two days compared to other teams
Ok, I was looking at more of it as a whole, with the draft being an extension. I still don't dig the draft. But I wanted Smith, so I like him. I thought they would take a DE/LB type because Jarvis Moss sucks, I just read on PFT that they were offering him up for a 7th rounder.
I wonder if they'll still run the same running scheme since Shanahan is gone? If they do, taking Moreno that high kind of doesn't make sense.
Just a confusing plan to me.
orakpo is so stiff...and i dont see the quickness needed to get off the edge in the pros....imo hes gonna get merked by nfl tackles...and this is coming from a taterskin fan
Him getting picked by the taterskins pissed a lot of people off down here. Most Cowboy fans are Texas fans, and seeing him throw on that hat/jersey and say he wanted to be in Washington made all the UT/Boys fans vomit.
And Cris Carter said he could be ROY playing next to Haynesworth.
I'm shocked Dannyboy drafted a lineman.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
orakpo is so stiff...and i dont see the quickness needed to get off the edge in the pros....imo hes gonna get merked by nfl tackles...and this is coming from a taterskin fan
not being a smart ass but how many times have you seen him play? he is extremely quick off the ball, he was dominant against OU this year.
quick off the ball in college does not mean quick off the ball against nfl tackles...hes got a pretty body but i dont see him translating to the nfl
florida de's dominated oklahoma in the national championship game and they were all young and none of tem other than cunningham has a chance at being a good pro
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2009, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
orakpo is so stiff...and i dont see the quickness needed to get off the edge in the pros....imo hes gonna get merked by nfl tackles...and this is coming from a taterskin fan
not being a smart ass but how many times have you seen him play? he is extremely quick off the ball, he was dominant against OU this year.
I think 98% of us on here are smart asses.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
orakpo is so stiff...and i dont see the quickness needed to get off the edge in the pros....imo hes gonna get merked by nfl tackles...and this is coming from a taterskin fan
I generally agree... as I wasn't overly impressed with Orakpo either, but he is a good athlete and playing next to Haynesworth could make him look a lot better than he is.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2009, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2009, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
orakpo is so stiff...and i dont see the quickness needed to get off the edge in the pros....imo hes gonna get merked by nfl tackles...and this is coming from a taterskin fan
not being a smart ass but how many times have you seen him play? he is extremely quick off the ball, he was dominant against OU this year.
I think 98% of us on here are smart asses.
Yeah, the rest are just dumb asses.
I wasn't a fan of the Broncos draft. They could have taken Moreno at 18 instead of 12, and RB wasn't even a position of real need on their team. They traded next year's #1 for a second-round pick they spent on a small nickel corner. They needed defensive line help bad and didn't get any. They waited until Round 6 to get a QB.... this is a team with Kyle Orton throwing the ball right now.
If the Eagles traded away their franchise QB and next year's #1 to get high draft picks this year, I'm sure they would have picked a higher number of good players as well. For what they gave up, the Broncos draft sorta blew.
Heard on NFLN, they were worried about SD taking Knowshon at #16 so they took him where they did.
Regardless, their draft made little sense along side their off-season.
I agree with that. The Broncos have been a train wreck. I'm pretty sure if I told them I played HB, they'd sign me as a free agent, no questions asked.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 27, 2009, 08:16:56 AM
I agree with that. The Broncos have been a train wreck. I'm pretty sure if I told them I played HB, they'd sign me as a free agent, no questions asked.
Well, they may ask you about your contract demands before giving in to them.
That said, I think that they definitely will have to cut some surprise guys, including one or both of the ex-Eagles they signed.
again they got three different players who all may be the best at their individual positions...that just doesnt happen in drafts...of course they all could flop but thats the case with any team...you wanna rate their offseason as bad because of cutler im with you...but i dont know how you could look at their draft and say it was great...those first three picks were the best in the nfl imo
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
i dont know how you could look at their draft and say it was great...those first three picks were the best in the nfl imo
What?
youre smarter than that....i think
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2009, 08:27:40 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 27, 2009, 08:16:56 AM
I agree with that. The Broncos have been a train wreck. I'm pretty sure if I told them I played HB, they'd sign me as a free agent, no questions asked.
Well, they may ask you about your contract demands before giving in to them.
That said, I think that they definitely will have to cut some surprise guys, including one or both of the ex-Eagles they signed.
GET BUCKHALTER!
igy, everybody that's grading the Broncos draft is including Cutler in the deal, and rightfully so. They definitely had more pressing needs than RB, but this is coming from a guy that would never draft a RB in the first.
Sure they got some quality picks, but giving up next years 1st rounder was silly
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:22:42 AM
youre smarter than that....i think
I'm smart enough to decipher when you contradict yourself? In this case, yes. Is it still worth pointing out in mocking fashion? In all cases, yes.
i thought you were smart enough to know i meant to type wasNT
i was wrong
Man Mark Eckel is still one salty sonofabitch...
Someone take away his keyboard (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1240718709281970.xml&coll=5&thispage=2)
QuoteThe people who actually make the picks thought differently, which brings back bad memories of players such as Winston Justice and Freddie Mitchell.
Maclin is a guy two of the scouts I talk to and listen intently to dissed in the days leading up to the draft.
One ranked him well behind Crabtree, and Darrius Heyward- Bey, who were the two receivers taken ahead of Maclin, and also behind Hakeem Nicks and Percy Har vin.
"He's not that tough and his hands are shaky at best," one of the scouts said before the Eagles made Maclin the first wide receiver they took in the first round since the infamous pick of Freddie Mitchell eight years ago. "I don't like him at all."
Another scout liked Maclin's ability, but had other serious questions about him.
"He's athletic," the scout said. "He gives you that aspect. But I think he will struggle to learn the offense. (I think he) will have mental busts."
That's not ideal in an Eagles offense that is considered complicated, especially for wide receivers.
Other concerns about Maclin center around the fact that he played in a spread offense with the Tigers under head coach Gary Pinkel.
"He's going to need a lot of work as a route runner," another personnel man said. "Now, he's explosive, I'll tell you that. But I don't know how well he'll fit in a struc tured offense. There are a lot of sight adjustments and things like that he is going to have to learn."
Maclin, who is also a returnman, will fit in with last year's second- round pick DeSean Jackson, veteran Kevin Curtis, the "unstop pable" Jason Avant (head coach Andy Reid's word not mine), the still-in-the-mix Reggie Brown (general manager Tom Heckert's words not mine) and the recently re- signed Hank Baskett.
im not as down on macklin as eckel seems to be but im not overly happy with the pick either...i would grade that pick at best a C
Having watched tons of Maryland games this year, picking Bey ahead of Maclin, let alone in the 10, is an absolute joke. He's a track star fronting as a WR that has never had a 1,000 yard season and had 3 games last year with 0 catches.
I'm not an expert on Maclin but they added a player at a skill position who every draft site had going way higher than 19. I'd have liked Pettigrew, but it's hard to argue with the pick, and a lot better than some of the alternatives that were on the board.
I liked Nicks a lot too. I think the Giants are going to be getting a really good player if he can keep his head on straight.
Eckel is a fat crater-faced horse's ass.
And Kiper gave the Eagles a B- for the draft. In other words, they didn't pick who he thought they should pick.
And LOL at a "C" for Maclin. Good God, man.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
im not as down on macklin as eckel seems to be but im not overly happy with the pick either...i would grade that pick at best a C
You said before the draft that if Moreno or Pettigrew were gone then anyone at 21 is game, unless someone unexpected falls.
Moreno wasn't there, but Pettigrew was, and someone unexpected fell. So I assume you locked in on Pettigrew?
Quote from: King Cole on April 27, 2009, 07:40:57 PM
You said before the draft that if Moreno or Pettigrew were gone then anyone at 21 is game, unless someone unexpected falls.
Moreno wasn't there, but Pettigrew was, and someone unexpected fell. So I assume you locked in on Pettigrew?
im grading the player not the eagles...strictly talking about how good i think mack might or might not be as opposed to who i thought the eagles should or shouldnt have taken
short of prospects like calvin johnson wr's are very risky...especially quick six footers
i can easily see mack being a complete bust (
F)
i dont ever seen him being a number one (so no
A)
i do think he could be a productive playmaker and grading out at say a
B therefore btwn a
B and an
F is about a
C- but i do add in some pts for the excellent value he was which brings him to about a
C id even go
C+
There's where we differ. It is hard to judge receivers sometimes going in, but I can easily see Maclin being a number one. I think he has all the tools to be a stud receiver in the NFL.
i dont even think andy reid can "easily" see him being a stud #1 one wr
there wasnt a single wr in the draft this year you can say that about....those guys dont come around that often....theres maybe been three of them in the last five years or so and mack certainly isnt one of them
could he or someone else in this class turn into a stud 1 ala a steve smith absolutely....but there isnt one you could easily see doing it
There are a lot of WRs this year that have potential to be #1 guys, but that means all of nothing. Crabtree is probably the best prospect since Johnson, but they aren't even close. I think Maclin has the potential just because of how young he is and he won't be counted on to come in and be anything but a situational guy. That should really help his development, much like it did with Santanio Holmes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 02:41:39 PM
i dont even think andy reid can "easily" see him being a stud #1 one wr
not that i'm disagreeing with your overall point, but using andy reid as your gauge when it comes to identifying receiver talent doesn't exactly bode well in your favor.