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Eage indeed
DeSean clone and punt returner
Hard not to like this pick! I never thought he would fall this far. Sal Pal also said there was no way the Eagles trade up.
Outstanding move.
Not Boldin...not happy.
I'll like this pick better next week.
I'm fine with Maclin.
Good luck Anquan.
Love this move.
Go Eages.
The Eagles need a physical receiver that can go up and get the ball, not another small speed guy. Don't hate the pick just think they could have done more/better.
They're not done yet, bro.
Give 'em time.
Would have been nice to draft a TE... not another speedy wideout.
Hey, Moreno was off the board. Glad they didn't get Wells. Maclin would have maybe been my 2nd choice behind Pettigrew, but I'll take it.
Another draft that I have no clue about our draft picks. Go eagles!
I liked the pick.
The rumors linking them to Boldin/Edwards made me want one of them, but I'd rather select Maclin than a DL/CB, so if they were going to select in this spot, it's as good as anyone who was left given Moreno was gone.
Maclin is a great pick. Simply a better player than Pettigrew.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:19:43 PM
They're not done yet, bro.
Give 'em time.
No.. They are done.. they won't trade a #1 for anquan, but will take a speedy wideout with the number one...
I guess that saves them money.
They're going to try throwing fastballs at the defense now.
After Knowhon was gone I told my my brother I hope they get Brown or Maclin, so I am happy. You can't coach speed, he is a slightly larger Jackson. Any word on what they gave up?
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
A fast, multi-dimensional skill position player.
They need it. They have Avant and Baskett to be the big chain movers.
So who is Cheggie Brownson getting traded to?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 25, 2009, 06:23:27 PM
After Knowhon was gone I told my my brother I hope they get Brown or Maclin, so I am happy. You can't coach speed, he is a slightly larger Jackson. Any word on what they gave up?
Their 6th rounder. Thaz it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
They're going to try throwing fastballs at the defense now.
lol
certainly can't knock it for only giving up a 6th
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
Yeah.. we don't have any money under the cap.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
farg that. $10 M? Can't wait to see what the GMen do now.
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
Yeah.. we don't have any money under the cap.
Hi, I'm FastFreddie. Do you realize which farging team you root for? What does "room under the cap" mean?
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
Yeah.. we don't have any money under the cap.
I wanted Boldin too...but 10mil a year for a 29yr old WR is not something Banner is gonna do.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Boldin wants 10 million a year. That's just not gonna happen.
Yeah.. we don't have any money under the cap.
Hi, I'm FastFreddie. Do you realize which farging team you root for? What does "room under the cap" mean?
Thanks for the introduction. But Rome is so excited for this pick, and I'm just a little confused why anyone would want a receiver without size. Christ... if they think Boldin is too old, trade up for Crabtree.
Reid: Best of the bunch...
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 25, 2009, 06:23:27 PM
After Knowhon was gone I told my my brother I hope they get Brown or Maclin, so I am happy. You can't coach speed, he is a slightly larger Jackson. Any word on what they gave up?
Their 6th rounder. Thaz it.
Mangini smokes weed?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
A fast, multi-dimensional skill position player.
They need it. They have Avant and Baskett to be the big chain movers.
So who is Cheggie Brownson getting traded to?
Brown, Curtis, and a 2nd for Boldin!
5 black WR's, just the way it should be.
I don't get why the Eagles traded up for this pick.
Well now we know the Eagles won't trade for any of the wideouts out there...
And Gonzo isn't out there for upgrade our TE spot...
What an anti-climatic draft.
Obviously because they thought someone was going up to get him.
Who?
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Well now we know the Eagles won't trade for any of the wideouts out there...
And Gonzo isn't out there for upgrade our TE spot...
What an anti-climatic draft.
Wah.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
I don't get why the Eagles traded up for this pick.
Perhaps they were worried about Detroit taking him, or someone trading ahead of them at 20 with Detroit.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2009, 06:41:54 PM
Who?
I imagine a team behind the Eagles but I'm just spit-balling there.
Detroit wasn't gonna take another WR. They were going TE or OT, unless they got very stupid.
I suppose someone might have traded into the spot to get him--.Minnesota?---but I dunno...it seems a small move to cover an unlikely scenario.
And would Percy Harvin have been that much worse if Maclin had been taken?
I'm not complainig..giving up the sixth actually is good because there's no way the Eagles sign all their picks this year..
it's just curious
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:43:16 PM
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Well now we know the Eagles won't trade for any of the wideouts out there...
And Gonzo isn't out there for upgrade our TE spot...
What an anti-climatic draft.
Wah.
Do you enjoy fellating the front office?
The Giants could've traded up too
Since when is liking a draft pick fellating the FO, bowzer?
Maclin is a good prospect...at a postion that people have been clamoring for an upgrade at.
I like that they went 1st round WR...I don't like that a proven, big, strong WR could have been had for possibly less than a 1st rounder.
But Curtis/Jackson/Maclin on the field with Westbrook is going to be fun to watch.
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:43:16 PM
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Well now we know the Eagles won't trade for any of the wideouts out there...
And Gonzo isn't out there for upgrade our TE spot...
What an anti-climatic draft.
Wah.
Do you enjoy fellating the front office?
ftp://
Sure.
99-yd kickoff TD vs Illinois (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsUjZWiz7g)
Reid said in his presser that other teams tried to trade up for Maclin and they wanted to get in there. Also when asked if they tried to get a vet WR like a Boldin, Reid said they tried but it "didn't work out" or something like that.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
99-yd kickoff TD vs Illinois (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsUjZWiz7g)
That's a return thanks to blocking before anything else.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
99-yd kickoff TD vs Illinois (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsUjZWiz7g)
That's a return thanks to blocking before anything else.
which this team is great at lacking.
Are people seriously whining about the Eagles giving up a 6th rounder to make sure they got the guy they wanted?
No. But you can see it that way if you like.
Others are whining. You're just... questioning?
NY Times article about his surrogate family (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/sports/ncaafootball/04missouri.html?_r=1)
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
NY Times article about his surrogate family (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/sports/ncaafootball/04missouri.html?_r=1)
Figures that they'd only draft a black kid from the hood if he had a lot of influence from rich white people. Typical Eagles.
Go Flyers.
The grotesque knee injury plays well too.
Quote from: Munson on April 25, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
But Curtis/Jackson/Maclin on the field with Westbrook is going to be fun to watch.
McNabb calling passing audibles in '09: "Everybody just go long".
:paranoid
Still think they should have gone RB...
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 25, 2009, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 25, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
But Curtis/Jackson/Maclin on the field with Westbrook is going to be fun to watch.
McNabb calling passing audibles in '09: "Everybody just go long".
:paranoid
Still think they should have gone RB...
Who would you have taken though?
Too high for any of the avilable backs, unless you wanted Wells. And that guy cant stay healthy.
They can still get a very good back in the second or third round. And they probably will.
Starting to like this pick... I think I was just really pissed at the Flyers...
I would have much rather seen Pettigrew taken. In a perfect world, the Eagles would have then traded the 2nd and whatever else to get Boldin.
Did someone say that Maclin is the same as DeSean? Dude is 6'1" and 200+. That doesn't strike me as being the same as Jackson AT ALL.
He is DeSean, only bigger and slower.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:20:11 PM
He is DeSean, only bigger and slower.
Uh, isn't that basically what they need?
I didn't think he was all that slow.
He's not slow. He's slower than Jackson.
4.43 is slow as farg. Munson ran a 4.27 I heard.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
4.43 is slow as farg. Munson ran a 4.27 I heard.
I thought it was a given that any WR drafted would be slower than Munson.
Maclin is listed on NFL.com as six foot, 198lbs.
198 is probably generous, but he's no Pinkston.
The radio clown said 6'1" 202. 1 inch and 4 pounds are huge differences. Huge.
He's between 6'0 and 6'1. He's really not that small. He's not a big possession receiver, but you can never have too many fast guys on the team.
Well, the inch isn't nothing but I'll give you the four pounds. I crap that much every morning between my first and second cup of coffee.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 08:37:30 PM
He's between 6'0 and 6'1. He's really not that small. He's not a big possession receiver, but you can never have too many fast guys on the team.
What I care about is this dude seems to be a playmaker with good hands, an all around well made football player. Sounds like he has good route skills and field vision to complement speed and hands. I hope he's a threat.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
198 is probably generous, but he's no Pinkston.
The spaghetti in my kitchen is no Pinkston.
It's a good pick and should pay some benefit quickly.
Maclin > Greg Lewis, so the WR's are better this year than last.
He passes the IGY test. Plus he's not Jewish.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:41:44 PM
It's a good pick and should pay some benefit quickly.
Maclin > Greg Lewis, so the WR's are better this year than last.
It will pay no benefit this year unless Maclin is something special. Curtis and Jackson are the starters. He may very well be the 3rd guy, but it's unlikely that he'll make much impact this year. Not to say it wasn't a good pick, but I doubt he changes anything for this team this year.
I say "some" benefit. You say "no" benefit. Bet?
Freddie Mitchell provided "some" benefit. So no, I'm not betting.
I dont know how to feel about this. I do not follow college ball much so I can not pass judgment on the rookie but I am just confused about the pick myself.
This could potentially be a great pick up when he finally develops into what he will in about 2-3 seasons. Thats great but there is still a chance that this kid could be a bust. 50/50 chance. Just like with all draft picks. So when your willing to draft a WR with the first pick, why not use the same pick to trade for a proven player like Boldin? I mean even if this kid is the truth he wont be for a little bit, and that might be enough time for the Kolb era to start.
Seriously this is bumming me out.
Im digging this pick more and more. He was undoubtedly the 2nd best WR on the board. The Darius-Bey pick was a by all means a WTF pick by Oakland
the fact that the Eagles went WR blew my mind in the first place, and I give them props for doing so. This dudes stats for 2 years in college are insane. Hes one of the best all-purpose yards guys in college history (3rd) --and again in only 2 years of playing
He ran a low 4.4 on pro-day, has some serious jets and could very well produce like Jackson on the edge, and maybe even slide Curtis to his natural position if he quickly learns the offense. The Eagles will have some fast motherfargers on the field at the same time, and converting on 3rd down might of just got a little easier
wow! wow! wow! never thought macklin would fall to the eagles. kid was a beast at mizzou and i'm glad the eagles were able to grab him. i was really curious how the eagles were going to address the loss of greg lewis but this far exceeded my wildest, wettest dreams.
^^^^
missouri homer
dang. first ed calls me a chiefs fan and now i'm a missou homer. bastiches.
i just love me some big 12 foosball. lots of great teams and players in that conference.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 25, 2009, 09:05:11 PM
wow! wow! wow! never thought macklin would fall to the eagles. kid was a beast at mizzou and i'm glad the eagles were able to grab him. i was really curious how the eagles were going to address the loss of greg lewis but this far exceeded my wildest, wettest dreams.
I have been in massive depression since he left.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 25, 2009, 09:12:42 PM
dang. first ed calls me a chiefs fan and now i'm a missou homer. bastiches.
i just love me some big 12 foosball. lots of great teams and players in that conference.
that dood from hinkley is still available
Only the fourth Eagles WR taken in the first round in the modern draft:
Freddie Mitchell (#25, 2001)
Kenny Jackson (#4, 1984)
Mike Quick (#20, 1982)
his agent is Jim Steiner from the CAA powerhouse, just in case you want to whine about holdouts in June or whatever
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 07:55:18 PM
They can still get a very good back in the second or third round. And they probably will.
Upon further review this was correct, I just wasn't expecting WR in the first round.
3rd round = michael johnson
get it done
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 11:33:05 PM
3rd round = michael johnson
get it done
Oh yeah, I'm cool with that.
This has pick has got to silence those who call for more athletes on the team. Every clip is just him burning fools with his speed. I guess we will see if he is a football plaer too.
word up munson
Quote"Actually, we thought he was going to go a little bit higher than what he did," head coach Andy Reid said. "This is not who we had targeted. He just happened to be one of those guys that fell a little bit, kind of fell in our lap there, so we wanted to take advantage of it. (We) strictly trusted our evaluation of him as a football player."
So was Moreno the target?
Does anyone think this pick means they will take DeSean off return duties?
Quote from: methdeez on April 26, 2009, 02:55:36 AM
Does anyone think this pick means they will take DeSean off return duties?
i kind of hope it does because desean is a little dude and i'd prefer to see him take a few less hits where ever possible.
I just read the Maclin Nytimes article.
Town and Country, the town where Maclin's 'adopted' family lives is the same suburb of St. Louis where my wife's parents live. It is the perfect example of why I hate all suburbs and is one of my least fav. places in the world.
Funny (clueless commentators) and Awesome (highlights), if you weren't watching NFLN yesterday (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ffb892)
Nice short interview with Reid. You think he wanted Moreno? I say yes. (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ffc2ee)
I watched ESPN, while they're annoying at times they nailed every pick and their breakdown wasn't bad.
I was switching back and forth. Happened to be on NFLN for both of the Eagles picks.
Those videos are very similar
QuoteI have to laugh when I read questions about the Eagles adding another receiver/return man one year after drafting DeSean Jackson. Hey, yo, give me a team of DeSean Jacksons and we're lining up Vince Lombardi trophies at the NovaCare Complex
are we supposed to guess who said that?
Touche.
Who else? Spuds.
Thanks. We were all scratching our heads on that.
I mean, hey, yo, I thought you should know.
Mosely on Maclin:
QuoteThe Eagles moved up to select Jeremy Maclin.
Best move: I thought taking Orakpo was a no-brainer and the Giants took the best wide receiver left on the board with North Carolina's Hakeem Nicks. But the best move of Day 1 certainly came when the Eagles moved up a couple of spots to take Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin. When a player of Maclin's skill level starts to slip (thanks to people like Oakland's Al Davis), you have to take advantage of the situation. Everyone assumed the Eagles would take a running back in the first round, but that was never the case. If Knowshon Moreno had slipped to No. 21, you go ahead and take him. But he was long gone. The Eagles patiently waited until the second round, when they grabbed Pittsburgh running back LeSean McCoy, a perfect fit for their offense. They need an instinctive runner and that's McCoy's best trait. He should prosper in a zone-blocking scheme.
who is mosely?
lololol at the eagles being a zone blocking team
Writes for ESPN.com and used to cover the Cowboys for one of the local papers.
Shango is scared of The Mack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPhaiUydT38)
Diddy gets you hyped about Mack. (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Didinger-Draft-Pick-Maclin-Has-the-Flash=1&blockID=51071&feedID=692)
QuoteDidinger: Draft Pick Maclin Has the 'Flash'
By Ray Didinger
CSNPhilly.com
Dick Vermeil was the first coach I heard use the term "flash." He used it to describe a player who "flashed" in practice. In other words, he did something that made you say, "Wow."
Well, Jeremy Maclin flashes.
If you saw him play at Missouri, you already know it. If you follow the Eagles, you'll know it soon enough.
Maclin is a special talent. He isn't the finished product – he has some learning to do, graduating from the spread offense to the NFL – but he has dynamic athletic ability.
Like most people, I never envisioned Maclin coming to Philadelphia. I didn't foresee the Eagles using their first draft pick on a wide receiver. Then again, I didn't foresee Maclin slipping to the 19th spot in the first round. At that point, the Eagles could move up just two spots and grab him. They didn't plan it that way, but the draft board broke in their favor and they took advantage.
I had the 6-0, 200-pound Maclin rated as the No. 2 receiver behind Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech. I expected Maclin to be a top ten pick. I participated in a mock draft at NFL Films last week and we had Maclin going No. 7 to Oakland which seemed about right.
But strange things happen on draft day. Trades are made and teams pick players much higher than projected, panic sets in and some guys get lost in the wash. That's what happened with Maclin. In spots 11 through 18, there was a run on defensive players and Maclin tumbled down the board.
I'm sure in the Eagles draft room, people started saying: "Hey, do you think...?" Pretty soon, they were on the phone with Cleveland and next thing you know, Andy Reid was sending a text message to Donovan McNabb letting him know his weapon had just arrived.
Maclin averaged 10.9 yards per touch in his two seasons at Missouri. In other words, every time he touched the ball from scrimmage, he gained the equivalent of a first down. He had 102 pass receptions last season and averaged 7.4 yards on rushing attempts the past two years. Toss in his kick returns and he was the NCAA leader in all-purpose yards in both 2007 and 2008.
He catches the ball very well. He can catch it over his shoulder on a vertical route and he has the body control to make the acrobatic play if necessary. He has a 4.45 time in the 40 which doesn't sound dazzling, but that's deceiving. Watch him on film and you'll see he plays fast; that is, he accelerates out of his breaks and he has an ability to shift gears on a double-move that creates instant separation.
The most exciting thing about Maclin is his elusiveness. He has a running back's vision – he sometimes lined up as a running back at Missouri -- so when he catches a ball, he is hard to tackle. He makes defenders miss and with his instincts and quickness, he can turn a six-yard hitch into a game-changing 60-yard touchdown.
I know what you're thinking: OK, what are the negatives?
Well, there is the knee injury he suffered in 2006. He tore his ACL in a seven-on-seven drill and underwent surgery which caused him to redshirt that season. But he worked hard to rehab the knee and when he returned to the field in '07, he scored 16 touchdowns – nine on pass receptions, four on rushes, one on a kickoff return and two on punts. So I wouldn't worry about his knee.
The only concern I have is the adjustment Maclin faces in this offense. At Missouri, they ran a spread offense with Maclin in the "H" position. That means he lined up all over the field – as a running back, as a slot receiver and also a wide receiver. He was used in a lot of what might be called gimmick plays, such as reverses and options, and he was devastating in that role.
The downside is that Maclin was never asked to run what coaches call "the full tree," in other words, all the pass routes. There are some routes -- intermediate stuff, mostly – that he just never ran. Those routes – comebacks, deep digs – are a big part of the NFL passing game and he will have to learn those.
That's not to say he can't do it. With his talent, he certainly can. But it may just take a little time for him to become a complete receiver. However, there is no reason why he can't contribute right away. With his run-after-the-catch ability, he could make a living on those wide receiver screens the Eagles love so much. Give him a quick pass in the flat and let him take it from there.
I'll be curious to see how Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg handle Maclin. They found a gem on the draft board Saturday and snatched it. Good for them. Now they have to find the best way to show it off. They can't afford to just put it in a drawer.
Maclin's versatility offers the Eagles an unlimited range of possibilities. He won't be the most polished receiver as a rookie, that's true, but tonight when the slog through Round Seven of the draft finally ends, Reid and Mornhinweg should start drawing up a playbook just for Maclin, built around the many skills he has already demonstrated with a lot of screens, some vertical routes and a few reverses and end-arounds.
It is a given that Maclin will be used as a kick returner and, with his gifts, he should. But Reid made it clear yesterday that he didn't draft Maclin as a kick returner, he drafted him as a wide receiver. The kid has multiple talents; he needs to be used in multiple ways.
I think the success the Eagles had with DeSean Jackson last year influenced their decision to draft Maclin. Prior to Jackson, the team made little use of first-year receivers. They said it was too hard for a rookie to pick up the offense. But last season, because Kevin Curtis was hurt, they were forced to put Jackson on the field -- and what do you know? –he had over 100 yards receiving in each of his first two games.
I really wonder if Jackson had not made such an impact, would the Eagles have been willing to invest a first round pick on a wide receiver this year? I think Jackson opened their eyes a bit.
But here is the bottom line: Now that the Eagles have Jeremy Maclin, they have to find ways to get the ball in his hands.
Andy, time's yours.
It's weird that Mayock had Maclin going to the Eagles in his mock but acted really surprised when they drafted him (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fb153b&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true).
its amazing how worthless mock drafts become after the draft is over when you look back and see how off they all are yet we will all highly enjoy looking at them next february and march
The more wrong they turn out being, the more fun it is.
Next year, one ounce of rum for every time "a run on" is said. I hope to be dead before the Eagles make their selection.
One bit in Didinger's piece to note; that Mack needs to polish his route running since he never ran a lot of them at Mizzou. I hope he can pick that up pretty quickly, because if he shows he struggles any little bit, Andy will bury his ass.
I love how versatile he is. The fact that he lines up all over the field is something that works with Reid's offense. He likes to run Avant out of the backfield and used to do it with Owens too.
one other positive was Maclin had the highest Wonderlic score of the WR's in the draft
You can tell listening to him talk that he's incredibly well spoken. Seems like a smart dude, hopefully that translates well in regards to picking up the offense.
Wonderlic scores are so overrated its ridiculous. As long as you score above the bottom 20% of the test-takers you're probably capable of playing football in the pros. Vince Young-like scores, on the other hand, probably indicate that you're brain is made of cauliflower and cowpies.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2009, 11:09:21 AM
You can tell listening to him talk that he's incredibly well spoken. Seems like a smart dude, hopefully that translates well in regards to picking up the offense.
magic negro?
he's from the suburbs yo
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
Wonderlic scores are so overrated its ridiculous. As long as you score above the bottom 20% of the test-takers you're probably capable of playing football in the pros. Vince Young-like scores, on the other hand, probably indicate that you're brain is made of cauliflower and cowpies.
if overrated = meaningless i agree
It's not 100% meaningless. It does measure the most basic ability to string thoughts together, which Vince Young failed because he is the worst quarterback ever.
So, basically, the wonderlic can be replaced with a door labeled PUSH that needs to be pulled open?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 11:15:14 AM
It's not 100% meaningless. It does measure the most basic ability to string thoughts together, which Vince Young failed because he is the worst quarterback ever.
It is never an advantage to be stupid :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 11:15:14 AM
It's not 100% meaningless. It does measure the most basic ability to string thoughts together.
wait you need something called a wonderlic test to see if people can string thoughts together?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 27, 2009, 11:17:16 AM
So, basically, the wonderlic can be replaced with a door labeled PUSH that needs to be pulled open?
(http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/images/extinstruct_files/image002.gif)
If you surround yourself with professional football players, at some point you have to forget what it's like to be around normally-intelligent human beings. So yes, maybe over-exposure to the dumbest jackasses on earth has brought the intelligence level of football coaches/execs down to its level and has thus required a test to confirm that prospects are in fact more intelligent than their cleats.
Drew Henson = 42
Alex Smith = 40
Akili Smith = 37
Quincy Carter = 30
Romo = 30
Grossman = 29
Leaf = 27
Palmer = 26
Cutler = 26
Peyton Manning = 25
Roethlisberger = 25
McNabb = 12-16...somewhere around there
mean. ning. less.
Obviously McNabb was exhausted halfway through his test and skipped the rest of it to dry heave.
hey I'm agreeing with you. All it shows is that you can answer tests in a rushed amount of time, and while that helps on the field in terms of comprehension, decision making and reaction, it means nothing if you have no athletic ability...
I think the Wonderlic is only useful in figuring out if a player is retarded. I still think the smarter you are, the easier it is to learn a complicated playbook, i know thats some deep thinking
Quote from: General_Failure on April 27, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
Obviously McNabb was exhausted halfway through his test and skipped the rest of it to dry heave.
or he threw 20 pts in the dirt
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 11:28:34 AM
I think the Wonderlic is only useful in figuring out if a player is retarded. I still think the smarter you are, the easier it is to learn a complicated playbook, i know thats some deep thinking
yeah there isnt playbooks in high school or college...pretty sure if someone is retarded that is going to come out prior to the nfl combine
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 11:28:34 AM
I think the Wonderlic is only useful in figuring out if a player is retarded. I still think the smarter you are, the easier it is to learn a complicated playbook, i know thats some deep thinking
yeah there isnt playbooks in high school or college...pretty sure if someone is retarded that is going to come out prior to the nfl combine
[cough]Vince Young[/cough]
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 27, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
Obviously McNabb was exhausted halfway through his test and skipped the rest of it to dry heave.
or he threw 20 pts in the dirt
I think we can agree that there was at least throwing involved somehow.
The biggest question now is since we got Maclin and Reggie Brown is still on the roster, where does Danny Amendola fit into the mix?
think Bobby Boucher before he got on the field
Ben Roethlisberger being smarter than the average NFL player is all you need to know about how important intelligence is in the NFL.
I wish Donovan was dumb like Roethlisberger. He'd have two Super Bowl rings by now.
If he didn't smash his head through a car windshield while riding a bike without wearing a helmet and end up dead.
So, how did FoxSports find out that Maclin was the #1 WR on 18 teams' draft boards? I wonder if the Eagles had him above Crabtree?
I think he was #1 mainly because of his attitude, where Crabtree sounded like he acted similar to Plaxico when he was drafted.
The more Crabtree opens his mouth, the less I like him. I imagine he was a wreck in the team interviews. Just comes off as a weird dude.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 28, 2009, 08:39:59 AM
The more Crabtree opens his mouth, the less I like him. I imagine he was a wreck in the team interviews. Just comes off as a weird dude.
Its funny how this all came out over the past month, i never saw that stuff before, but he bought into the hype.
what did he say or do?
or are you just talking about the mangini garbage
aside from his zesty, cocky (which is no surprise from a WR) answers that he gave on all the ESPN interviews, the little clip of him and his boy laughing in the green room that SD posted says it all
dude just lacks respect and Im sure plenty of players will be out for his head come Sundays
ill take cocky and talented all day and night long over mormon and hard working thank you
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
what did he say or do?
or are you just talking about the mangini garbage
just interviews, him blowing off some interviews, apparently his answers were pretty crappy. Who knows, but he got pegged as a Diva already, and teams and the news have it out for Diva WR's now. Freddie Mitchell started it all
i see much a do bout nothing....but i suppose we will find out on sundays
I'm pretty sure Heyward-Bey was #1 on only one draft board. If Maclin was #1 on 18 boards, that leaves 11 for Crabtree.
Even so, it's hard to complain when the Eagles got a guy who is arguably the best WR in the class. I was pissed about them not getting Pettigrew, but Ingram in the 5th made me feel a little bit better about that.
Sunshine and rainbows, kids!
I'd still take Crabtree over Maclin every day, now i guess we'll see how that goes in a few years
I would too, but more because of the type of receiver he is. Maclin seems to be more of a Curtis/Jackson receiver. Crabtree seems to be more of a T.O./Boldin guy, which is what I thought would be an ideal add to the offense.
Crabtree wasn't on the board, though, and I don't fault the Eagles for not moving up to get him. I'll take Maclin and McCoy over just Crabtree.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 28, 2009, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
what did he say or do?
or are you just talking about the mangini garbage
just interviews, him blowing off some interviews, apparently his answers were pretty crappy. Who knows, but he got pegged as a Diva already, and teams and the news have it out for Diva WR's now. Freddie Mitchell started it all
Sounds to me like he did a little work to make sure he went to a team he could stand playing for.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 09:27:11 AM
I would too, but more because of the type of receiver he is. Maclin seems to be more of a Curtis/Jackson receiver. Crabtree seems to be more of a T.O./Boldin guy, which is what I thought would be an ideal add to the offense.
Crabtree wasn't on the board, though, and I don't fault the Eagles for not moving up to get him. I'll take Maclin and McCoy over just Crabtree.
Y'know... not jumping on FF, because it's not even the point he was making, but this got me thinking. I've seen/read a lot of people characterize Mack as a "small, speedy" type WR, or "another DeSean Jackson" and not the "big, strong" type WR such as say, Hakeem Nicks or Crabtree. But when you look at size & weights, there's not that much difference.
Mack - 6'0", 198
Nicks - 6,1", 212
Crabtree - 6'1", 215
Yeah, he's a little smaller... but 15 lbs on a 6 foot frame??? Is that really what makes the difference? Mack is closer to these guys than DeSean's 5'10", 175.
And I'll admit to straight copy & pasting this from the EMB when someone criticized Mack's size:
QuoteJerry Rice
Torry Holt
Reggie Wayne
Marvin Harrison
Isaac Bruce
All 6'0 and betwen 180-200 lbs.
Maclin is 6'0 198 lbs.
Now I'm not comparing and saying Mack will turn out to be as good as any of these guys, but I think he's getting a bad rap on the size thing.
Maclin was just on WIP and called Rhea "ma'am". Bust...
its not so much the on paper weights and heights as it is the kind of game that you rely on
macks success depends on speed and quickness thus he cant afford to put on extra muscle...crabtree and nicks defintely can as could desean (because hes so light)
also frame is important...i dont know the actual measurments but just from watching them play i would guess crabtree and nicks have longer arms than mack so going up and getting balls is a big part of their repertoire...also some frames can accept more weight without consequences where as other cant
i dont care about the listed numbers mack as a football player both in body and game is way closer to desean than to nicks or crabtree...and this will be comes more evident as they progress in their careers and nick crabtree and hopefully desean get a little bigger and mack doesnt...i dont know if mack could play in the league at 215
I think it's more the style he plays than the actual size he is. I don't see Maclin doing well at taking the hits in the middle of the field and banging around in there. But Gary Sheffield used to be a skinny shortstop, so who knows?
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 28, 2009, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 09:27:11 AM
I would too, but more because of the type of receiver he is. Maclin seems to be more of a Curtis/Jackson receiver. Crabtree seems to be more of a T.O./Boldin guy, which is what I thought would be an ideal add to the offense.
Crabtree wasn't on the board, though, and I don't fault the Eagles for not moving up to get him. I'll take Maclin and McCoy over just Crabtree.
Y'know... not jumping on FF, because it's not even the point he was making, but this got me thinking. I've seen/read a lot of people characterize Mack as a "small, speedy" type WR, or "another DeSean Jackson" and not the "big, strong" type WR such as say, Hakeem Nicks or Crabtree. But when you look at size & weights, there's not that much difference.
Mack - 6'0", 198
Nicks - 6,1", 212
Crabtree - 6'1", 215
Yeah, he's a little smaller... but 15 lbs on a 6 foot frame??? Is that really what makes the difference? Mack is closer to these guys than DeSean's 5'10", 175.
And I'll admit to straight copy & pasting this from the EMB when someone criticized Mack's size:
QuoteJerry Rice
Torry Holt
Reggie Wayne
Marvin Harrison
Isaac Bruce
All 6'0 and betwen 180-200 lbs.
Maclin is 6'0 198 lbs.
Now I'm not comparing and saying Mack will turn out to be as good as any of these guys, but I think he's getting a bad rap on the size thing.
couldnt agree more about the size and weight as I think he will prove to me much more physical than people are saying...especially in the red zone underneath. That extra 15lbs could very well be the difference in him staying on his feet after first contact compared to Curtis and Jackson
not to mention from a catching standpoint all the scouts are saying Maclins hands are off the meat hook ...and we know what Curtis' hands are.
Curtis catches balls with his face.
and he still drops them
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:09:44 AM
its not so much the on paper weights and heights as it is the kind of game that you rely on
macks success depends on speed and quickness thus he cant afford to put on extra muscle...crabtree and nicks defintely can as could desean (because hes so light)
also frame is important...i dont know the actual measurments but just from watching them play i would guess crabtree and nicks have longer arms than mack so going up and getting balls is a big part of their repertoire...also some frames can accept more weight without consequences where as other cant
i dont care about the listed numbers mack as a football player both in body and game is way closer to desean than to nicks or crabtree...and this will be comes more evident as they progress in their careers and nick crabtree and hopefully desean get a little bigger and mack doesnt...i dont know if mack could play in the league at 215
True... and valid points. It's just that I think he plays a little more physical than I think people give him credit for.
I'm not going to sit up here and say "I've watched EVERY Missouri game last year" or nothing, but I've seen more than a few and I've seen him go and make a number of catches in traffic and I've seen him get YAC after 1st contact, breaking tackles. Not saying that's his style, but he's never seemed to shy away from contact from what I've seen.
hes more physical than pimp no doubt...hes just thicker...but hes way closer to pimp than to nicks or crabtree
pimp actually surprised me with the hits he was willing to take last year...he went over the middle with no fear i thought and while he certainly wasnt running into people after the catch i expected much more running out of bounds and ducking and diving than he showed
Pimp changed the way the Eagles look at young WR's
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
hes more physical than pimp no doubt...hes just thicker...but hes way closer to pimp than to nicks or crabtree
pimp actually surprised me with the hits he was willing to take last year...he went over the middle with no fear i thought and while he certainly wasnt running into people after the catch i expected much more running out of bounds and ducking and diving than he showed
The thing is with as young as he is he could probably put on a few more pounds without losing any speed.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
Maclin was just on WIP and called Rhea "ma'am". Bust...
It would have been impolite for him to call her "funhole."
NCAA football tells me Maclin is the real deal. I just returned 2 Kickoffs, 1 punt return, 3 TD's 256yds receiveing, and 46yds rushing
turn the game off rookie mode and try again
All pro fool
Interesting little note I heard from the Giants beat writer on NFL Network last night. The guy said that the Eagles made the jump to #19 for Mack because they got word that the Giants loved him and had a deal in place with Detroit to move up to #20 so they could snatch him up.
That makes it even a little sweeter that the Eagles kept Mack away from NY at the same time as adding a weapon themselves.
Interesting. But then again, the last time the Eagles traded up and stole someone from the Giants it was Jerome McDougle. We know how that turned out. And the guy who the Giants claimed was their guy all along, William Joseph, sucked too.
I read where Casserly said he talked to Reid and said that Andy was getting a ton of calls from teams about trading up to 21. He figured that the teams were all calling about Maclin, so he decided to move up and grab him instead.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2009, 08:54:23 AM
Interesting. But then again, the last time the Eagles traded up and stole someone from the Giants it was Jerome McDougle. We know how that turned out. And the guy who the Giants claimed was their guy all along, William Joseph, sucked too.
I read where Casserly said he talked to Reid and said that Andy was getting a ton of calls from teams about trading up to 21. He figured that the teams were all calling about Maclin, so he decided to move up and grab him instead.
Yeah... thought that too. Been trying to forget about that...
on my work voice mail this morning was a sunshiney message from mack and shady saying how much good stuff they have heard about eagle fans and they cant wait to play for us
Half the people I talk to now around here are all of the sudden psuedo-Eagle fans, because they all want to watch Maclovin in the NFL. I tell them to screw off.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2009, 08:51:18 AM
Interesting little note I heard from the Giants beat writer on NFL Network last night. The guy said that the Eagles made the jump to #19 for Mack because they got word that the Giants loved him and had a deal in place with Detroit to move up to #20 so they could snatch him up.
That makes it even a little sweeter that the Eagles kept Mack away from NY at the same time as adding a weapon themselves.
If Maclin is great, we can point and laugh at the Giants.
If Ramses Barden is great, they will point and laugh at us.
my money is on they laugh at us
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2009, 08:54:23 AM
Interesting. But then again, the last time the Eagles traded up and stole someone from the Giants it was Jerome McDougle. We know how that turned out. And the guy who the Giants claimed was their guy all along, William Joseph, sucked too.
I read where Casserly said he talked to Reid and said that Andy was getting a ton of calls from teams about trading up to 21. He figured that the teams were all calling about Maclin, so he decided to move up and grab him instead.
Yeah... thought that too. Been trying to forget about that...
I'll always like McDougle for laying Eli the farg out.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 29, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2009, 08:54:23 AM
Interesting. But then again, the last time the Eagles traded up and stole someone from the Giants it was Jerome McDougle. We know how that turned out. And the guy who the Giants claimed was their guy all along, William Joseph, sucked too.
I read where Casserly said he talked to Reid and said that Andy was getting a ton of calls from teams about trading up to 21. He figured that the teams were all calling about Maclin, so he decided to move up and grab him instead.
Yeah... thought that too. Been trying to forget about that...
I'll always like McDougle for laying Eli the farg out.
theres only 2 things mcdougle will be remembered for. thats one and getting shot in the stomach is the other.
That guy sure knows how to tell thousand dollar hookers who's boss.
i had some shady salesman who looked like the shamwow guy try and sell me a time share in san diego over the weekend. when i said i wasn't interested he then offered me a portable hot tub for 4 grand with no money down and only 20% interest.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 29, 2009, 12:04:25 PM
hot tub for 4 grand with no money down and only 20% interest.
Gotta love those deals, we went to buy furniture a few years back, the salesperson at whatever Value City Furniture was calling themselves that week, tried that on us. Guy said 0% interest for 3 years. Then gives me a price a grand higher than what it was listed as, i asked, guy says well we have different pricing to get the 0% interest. I flipped out, calling bait and switch, and left the store. Went to Lazyboy instead, got 0% off and paid it off in just under a year. I can only imagnine how many people they get that way, who dont understand you are paying the interest up front.
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20090504/SPORTS02/905040325 (http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20090504/SPORTS02/905040325)
At least Maclin is saying the right things. Also in the article Reid says:
QuoteWe're striving to lead the league in rushing this year
you know he said that about a week ago and tongue was firmly planted in cheek
Sarcasm or not, just saying it makes people want to punch him more.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
you know he said that about a week ago and tongue was firmly planted in cheek
I used that quote as a teaser so the article would be read. You just ruined it for everybody. Shame on you
From Saturday:
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Rumors floating around Maclin agreed to a 6 year $23 million deal
LOOK UP! there goes one
The Twitter account that was the original source of the news is now saying they jumped the gun and nothing is agreed to.
imagine that.
Omg holdout
FSN had on Oklahoma vs Mizzou. Maclin looking just like Deshaun.
Which did he do? Spike the ball before crossing the goal line or tried to do a diving somersault which knocked the ball out right before the goal line?
Quote from: MURP on July 06, 2009, 12:27:40 AM
FSN had on Oklahoma vs Mizzou. Maclin looking just like Deshaun.
I remember watching that game and thinking, "Damn, it'd be nice if the Eagles snatched him up when he comes out..."
I was a bit worried that Mac hasn't signed yet w camp beginning today, till I saw only 3 1st round picks have signed to this point. Then, I realized that doesn't make me feel any better at all and that he really needs to get signed asap.
#21 just signed so hopefully that gets his done in the next day or so
Quote from: Die-Hard on July 26, 2009, 01:46:38 PM
I was a bit worried that Mac hasn't signed yet w camp beginning today, till I saw only 3 1st round picks have signed to this point. Then, I realized that doesn't make me feel any better at all and that he really needs to get signed asap.
That was a surprise to hear. I thought a lot more were signed than that. Sure would like to see him in camp asap.
Dude better be in camp or he can chalk up his rookie year to a handful of plays, a few kick/punt returns and a lot of the inactive list with the inevitable injury.
yup, Andy was doing his "he needs to get in camp in time, every day missed is critical" bullshtein today
well quit lowballing him then you fat farg
Eskin went off last night on the agent Jim Steiner, saying the Eagles have had issues negotiating with him in the past. My favorite was Eskin pimping they offered more money than the 19th pick got last year, as the Eagles being fair.
Isn't Steiner Dawkins' agent too?
hell be signed in the next 48 hrs...no worries
but even if he makes it on time chances are he aint gonna do shtein this year....we got spoiled last year with pimp...the chances of that happening two years in a row is very slim
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2009, 07:36:56 AM
Eskin went off last night on the agent Jim Steiner, saying the Eagles have had issues negotiating with him in the past. My favorite was Eskin pimping they offered more money than the 19th pick got last year, as the Eagles being fair.
eskin is so disgraceful when it comes to the eagles it makes me sick
Pimp was a second rounder, and he even said he just wanted to get in camp to show what he could do, and he'd worry about money on the next contract.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2009, 09:37:23 AM
Pimp was a second rounder, and he even said he just wanted to get in camp to show what he could do, and he'd worry about money on the next contract.
So... 3 more years 'til Pimp becomes a taterskin.
They've gotta replace Thrash sometime.
Holy shtein, what I wouldn't give to be Ben Dogra (Maclin's agent) this off season
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/27/signing-status-of-2009-first-round-picks/
He doesn't even bother with the rif raf in the 20's
Also, Rosenhaus has Zero first rounders
Todd France....isn't that the ex-kicker?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2009, 07:36:56 AM
Eskin went off last night on the agent Jim Steiner, saying the Eagles have had issues negotiating with him in the past. My favorite was Eskin pimping they offered more money than the 19th pick got last year, as the Eagles being fair.
Is that show he's on Sunday nights available on the stations website? My son and I loved it wen we were up there two years ago. What station is it on?
11:30pm on sunday nights, NBC channel 10 WCAU. Angie hates it because its a screaming match between John Clark mr positive, and Eskin Mr Suckup to Andy. Vai Sikahema used to be on there but i dont think he got along with either guy. And Missanelli was on there for a while, it was good watching considering the bad blood between him and Eskin.
B. Seltzer from 950am was just on ESPN and said a direct source on the situation said there is very little movement on contract negotiations between the two sides
Quote from: reese125 on July 30, 2009, 09:51:10 AM
B. Seltzer from 950am was just on ESPN and said a direct source on the situation said there is very little movement on contract negotiations between the two sides
and brian seltzer read that in the daily news yesterday
i love you
like that jew knows anything
GCobb thinks it gets done today.
With Heyward-Bey, 17 and 21 done, it better. This ish is getting old. Crabtree asking for top-3 money isn't helping things either.....
Definitely gonna be seeing a lot of street clothes time this season, Mac.
I don't understand these players and agents. Quit being greedy iceholes.
yeah, crazy that they try to get the most money they can.
No, the agents do not care about getting the guys into camp on time so they can earn the money or start their careers on a good note and actually learn.
When players around the same draft slot sign, or when players at the same position sign, you have a good idea of the market. teams also have rookie caps and you have to see what players the same slot the previous year signed for.
They are going to get paid a hefty sum. But these agents try to get as much as they can for recruiting purposes of future clients and do not care about the current guys. get them into camp so they can play ball
The first thing the new CBA should re-do is the rookie wage pool. It's a travesty that a top pick makes what they do and that teams are having so many problems getting guys into camp.
I'm not disagreeing the current system is bullshtein, but I'm also Joe Banner isnt at the table offering much more than #19 made last year, its simple. Joey Capboy Banner has over 40mill to play with, he could frontload the shtein outta them.
However, if I'm not mistaken, there's a cap on how much a salary can increase each year, which doesn't include the signing bonus.
He'll barely play this year.
Pettigrew (one spot behind Maclin), Harvin (WR at #22), Nicks (WR at #29) and Britt (WR at #30) have signed. Get it done....
Too little too late. Maclin's a douche.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 01, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
The first thing the new CBA should re-do is the rookie wage pool. It's a travesty that a top pick makes what they do and that teams are having so many problems getting guys into camp.
you mean you dont like the fact the Matt Stafford has already made more than Brian Dawkins in his whole career?
I wondered a few days after they drafted him if he would have a case of the ass because he slipped and the bust that will be Heyward Bay went in his "projected" slot. Thinking he might be of the mind set of, "Hey you drafted me 19, but that was a fluke, I'm top 15 money/talent". If that's the case, wrong team pal. See you next year.....maybe.
Hey, if that's the case, bust your ass and get paid on the backside. This doesn't help Maclin or the Eagles.
outside the lines did a special on this today
one number that especially jumped out was the top 10 nba draft picks made a total of 10 million bucks last year
Quote
SUNDAY, AUGUST 2, 2009
Maclin deal close to being done
There were strong indications late this morning that the Eagles are close to completing a deal with Jim Steiner, the agent for rookie wide receiver Jeremy Maclin.
Steiner, in fact, has told some people that a deal will be struck today.
The Eagles' first-round pick was scheduled to report a week ago today with the rest of the team's rookies and has missed 11 practices, including this morning's rain-shortened session at Lehigh University.
If Maclin signs this afternoon, it's possible he could be in attendance for tonight's Flight Night! practice at Lincoln Financial Field.
Perhaps the coach most impacted by Maclin's absence is special teams coordinator Ted Daisher. Maclin is expected to be a big part of the Eagles' return games this season.
"I thought he did a good job this spring in the OTAs," Daisher said. "He's making progress. He's gotten better. That contract thing will work itself out and when it does he'll be here. We'll just coach him up. The other guys are doing a good job."
According to Daisher, receiver DeSean Jackson remains at the top of the depth chart as the Eagles' punt returner and safety Quintin Demps remains the No. 1 kick returner.
Peters practices
There wasn't much to see at the rainy Eagles' practice, which was moved to a turf field and closed to the public. The one thing you couldn't miss, however, was the return of 6-foot-4, 340-pound offensive tackle Jason Peters.
After suffering quad spasms during the team's conditioning test Thursday morning, Peters was placed on the physically unable to perform list and spent the first three days of training camp working with trainer Rick Burkholder. By working out this morning on the turf lacrosse field, Peters has been removed from the PUP list.
"It felt good to get back out there with my teammates and get some reps," Peters said.
This morning's practice was not in full pads and it seems unlikely that Peters will participate in the live scrimmage the Eagles are scheduled to stage as part of Flight Night! tonight at Lincoln Financial Field.
"There isn't any rush to come back right now," Peters said. "I'm going to be smart about it. I could go out there. I just don't want to hurt it again and start all over."
With Peters at left tackle, Todd Herremans was able to move back to left guard, although he also took some snaps at right tackle. The plan, of course, is for Shawn Andrews to play at right tackle, but he remains sidelined by a sore back that he suffered during the team's conditioning test.
Andrews gave a thumbs up this morning when asked how he felt.
Not a good sign that the Eagles still haven't even had 1 practice with their proposed new offensive line. The number one thing that O-lines need is time together.
Football Outsiders did a long article demonstrating that, basically, even if you upgrade your line talent by changing linemen you see worse performance at least for the first year, or half year because of the lack of experience they have working as a team.
The more time that they can spend together, the more able they may to buck this trend, which of course is exactly what is not happening.
So basically what I am saying is boooooooooo to hurt offensive linemen.
Was that Maclin article written yesterday, or two weeks ago because it was the exact same story back then... except he wasn't missing camp yet. Which is pissing me off.
#18 Ayers signed with Denver. No excuses now...
Signed. 5 year deal.
$15.5M, $9.5M guaranteed
25-30 catches in 2009, which isn't bad coming from that offense and being behind Jackson, Curtis, and Avant right now.
It's about farging time
I hope they boo the ever-living farg out of this douchebag at camp.
This is the deal he held out for? farg him.
stop it--you act like he doesnt want to be in there.
how bout they boo the farg out of his agent.... hes the 4th receiver regardless
i could be confusing him with another one of the boards MA posters but im pretty sure mmh is one of those who hates athletes cause he thinks they make more than they deserve yet banner inc is entitled to as much as they want no matter what
let him rant and roll
He's here..
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Is that farging Pinkston? I'd recognize those calves anywhere. Ugh.
that's coach pinkston to you fargface
Maclin's aren't much bigger...
Ooooops. Meant Jackson.
It's scary how small he is. I hope he doesn't get killed out there one day.
Quote from: Munson on August 04, 2009, 01:57:21 PM
Ooooops. Meant Jackson.
It's scary how small he is. I hope he doesn't get killed out there one day.
I was gonna say.....................
Holy crap. Pinky looks like Harold Carmichael next to him.
When following up on a question about heading back down to St Louis, a reporter asked him "Were you getting shtein out on the streets from the fans?" I didnt know you could say that shtein at a PC..
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 04, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
When following up on a question about heading back down to St Louis, a reporter asked him "Were you getting shtein out on the streets from the fans?" I didnt know you could say that shtein at a PC..
You can in football. In basketball PC's they'll give you a Technical Foul.
There are no football fans in St. Louis. He'll be fine.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2009, 09:02:58 AM
i could be confusing him with another one of the boards MA posters but im pretty sure mmh is one of those who hates athletes cause he thinks they make more than they deserve yet banner inc is entitled to as much as they want no matter what
let him rant and roll
Hardly. I just want to know why the hell he held out so long, just to make 3MM a year. I mean, seriously, he misses a week of camp, which all but guarantees he's useless this season.
Jackson was pissed he went in the 2nd, signed his contract, busted his ass, and other than being dumber than a flagpole and spiking the ball early, has started what appears to be a reasonable career. His next contract will be better (unless he signs a long-term deal with Banner).
So, what, he caved and took what he should've and probably could've gotten weeks ago? It's ludicrous. Hold out this long, he should be making more dough. You get paid what the market allows, yay capitalism. But don't give me that shtein about "uh, I wanted to be here." The agents are employees of the player; if the player wants it done, it gets done. Banner won, Maclin sort of wins (makes a lot of money for sitting on his thumb). The Eagles lose, again, and the fans rip their hair out. WOOHOO! E-A-G-L-E-S-Eagles!
It's why I have never spent a dime on team merchandise. farg all of them.
I really wish the NFL would just assign rookie contract salaries, they are usually come out more or less as expected anyway. I'd rather see some of that bonanza high end money go to vet players who labor in the league for many years but might not even make a quarter as much.
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 05, 2009, 12:25:09 AM
I'd rather see some of that bonanza high end money go to vet players who labor in the league for many years but might not even make a quarter as much.
this most certainly will be part of the next cba...even the players realize how ridiculous it is that matthew stafford got more money in his deal that brady or manning got in their last ones
it shouldnt be like the nba because football is a much more dangerous sport with far shorter careers but they need to do something...less guaranteed money along with less years in rookie deals sounds fair to both sides to me
no doubt the rookie salary cap is coming.
I mean how nice would it be for the eagles to actually want to move up in the draft to get a player based on a skill they need and not get the shakes because of the dollars it takes to get him
What in the farg is Pinkston going to teach anyone about being a wr in the NFL??
Stop. Pinkston was a decent WR. Not great, but he was effective for a while. Pinkston haters forever want to replay one or two instances when he declined to offer himself up for murder chasing an unlikely catch because it makes them look tough and football smart. It's tiresome. You and your ilk don't know a hundredth of what Pinkston (or any NFL player) knows about the game and how to play it. You're just Internet tough guys wasting bandwidth.
If Andy could get production from his draft picks commensurate with Pinkston's, the Eagles would be a better team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2009, 12:09:40 PM
he was better than greg lewis but not as good as say kevin curtis...what im saying is he shouldnt be lumped in with guys like matt mccoy who should have never even been in the league to begin with and i think thats what we were doing...naming complete train wrecks under andy...
i am by no means defending pinky i just think the uproar over todd pinkston was much worse than todd pinkston...i mean after time it almost became a fable that was handed down generation to generation with new stuff added to it to the point it just became outrageous
It was Pinkston who stiff armed Roy Williams to the ground and danced into the endzone, correct? That was badass
Quote from: Diomedes on August 06, 2009, 07:27:59 AM
Stop. Pinkston was a decent WR. Not great, but he was effective for a while. Pinkston haters forever want to replay one or two instances when he declined to offer himself up for murder chasing an unlikely catch because it makes them look tough and football smart. It's tiresome. You and your ilk don't know a hundredth of what Pinkston (or any NFL player) knows about the game and how to play it. You're just Internet tough guys wasting bandwidth.
If Andy could get production from his draft picks commensurate with Pinkston's, the Eagles would be a better team.
I agree 100%
Its not normally the great players that go on to be really good coaches anyway.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 06, 2009, 07:27:59 AM
Stop. Pinkston was a decent WR. Not great, but he was effective for a while. Pinkston haters forever want to replay one or two instances when he declined to offer himself up for murder chasing an unlikely catch because it makes them look tough and football smart. It's tiresome. You and your ilk don't know a hundredth of what Pinkston (or any NFL player) knows about the game and how to play it. You're just Internet tough guys wasting bandwidth.
If Andy could get production from his draft picks commensurate with Pinkston's, the Eagles would be a better team.
One or two instances? No. He sucked. Period. He would never have started for any other team in the NFL. Thats why he dissapeared when the Eagles let him go.
The Birds did get to 3 NFCCGs with Pinky starting, no?
If he got a clean break, he was a decent receiver. Jam him, and he was gone.
dude blew his achilles shore--what are you talking about nobody wanted him? You blow an achilles as a receiver at that stage of your career...sinara
of all the things that we could be talking/arguing about, you guys go on about todd effing pinkston. my thoughts because i know you care.
good reciever best suited to be a role player/complimentary reciever to more talented players. bad in press coverage. good height, good speed, decent hands, avg/below avg route runner. helps stretch the field.
the biggest problem with pinkston isn't even with pinkston. it's the fact that reid kept running him out there with other recievers who weren't significantly better than him. the recievers as a whole, were pedestrian at best. to blame pinkston for being a starter for 4 years is rediculous. blame the coach and gm who refused to put better recievers on the field.
and during the 04 year, pinkston played the #2 role fairly well. he was also having a very nice super bowl before tearing his achilles. he was continuously among the top recievers in ypc and only had 2 fumbles in 184 career catches and only lost one of them. he wasn't a scoring machine but 116 of his 184 catches went for first downs.
he had a couple of boneheaded mistakes but all in all, he was a servicable reciever who was asked to do more than he was able to.
Didn't he blow out the Achilles in training camp following the super bowl?
all you need to know about Pinkston is that Ricky Manning Jr. called him out as a bitch in 03 and then made him his bitch during the biggest game of the year.
/end thread.
I laugh at the pitiful fan who defends Pinkston. Huurrrahhhhh! The Philadelphia Eagles no. 1 receiver!! Andy Reid should be bitched slapped for even trying to pass him off as a legitimate wr at his press conferences.
pinkston was a piece of shtein.
pinky led philadelphia eagle wr's in receptions for the 2000's
again he led an nfl franchise in most receptions for a wr for an entire decade
if you think he was a piece of shtein or the worst wr in team history or even that he sucked then you dont know football
what he was was a brutally average wr totally out of place on a team that was pathetically weak at his position who got caught up in a perfect storm of hatred by an ignorant section of a fanbase
Pinkston represented everything about this franchise that frustrates the fans. He probably doesn't deserve the hatred that he gets because he just was what he was, but he was average at a position that screamed for talent, he was an 'Andy Reid guy', he came up small in big games and at the end he made a public embarrassment of himself on the field.
He was an average NFL player, but he is a beautiful representation of everything that was wrong with those Eagles teams that couldn't quite win a superbowl.
someone on the emb calls them stinkston and trash
Man, that's pretty clever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2009, 08:28:12 AM
pinky led philadelphia eagle wr's in receptions for the 2000's
again he led an nfl franchise in most receptions for a wr for an entire decade
if you think he was a piece of shtein or the worst wr in team history or even that he sucked then you dont know football
what he was was a brutally average wr totally out of place on a team that was pathetically weak at his position who got caught up in a perfect storm of hatred by an ignorant section of a fanbase
this
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
Pinkston represented everything about this franchise that frustrates the fans. He probably doesn't deserve the hatred that he gets because he just was what he was, but he was average at a position that screamed for talent, he was an 'Andy Reid guy', he came up small in big games and at the end he made a public embarrassment of himself on the field.
He was an average NFL player, but he is a beautiful representation of everything that was wrong with those Eagles teams that couldn't quite win a superbowl.
and this
and this
Quote from: SunMo on August 06, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
all you need to know about Pinkston is that Ricky Manning Jr. called him out as a bitch in 03 and then made him his bitch during the biggest game of the year.
/end thread.
But the whole Panthers team made the entire Eagles team their bitches. Plus the refs refused to call any PI penalties
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
Pinkston represented everything about this franchise that frustrates the fans. He probably doesn't deserve the hatred that he gets because he just was what he was, but he was average at a position that screamed for talent, he was an 'Andy Reid guy', he came up small in big games and at the end he made a public embarrassment of himself on the field.
He was an average NFL player, but he is a beautiful representation of everything that was wrong with those Eagles teams that couldn't quite win a superbowl.
those eagles teams and the team today. sadly nothing has changed
Quote from: mussa on August 07, 2009, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
Pinkston represented everything about this franchise that frustrates the fans. He probably doesn't deserve the hatred that he gets because he just was what he was, but he was average at a position that screamed for talent, he was an 'Andy Reid guy', he came up small in big games and at the end he made a public embarrassment of himself on the field.
He was an average NFL player, but he is a beautiful representation of everything that was wrong with those Eagles teams that couldn't quite win a superbowl.
those eagles teams and the team today. sadly nothing has changed
youre joking right?
the eagle wr corps now compared to "then"
no contest dookie
I think Mussa was referring to the coaching, which may actually be worse with JJ gone.
this is true
Owens
Pinkston
Mitchell
Lewis
McMullen
VS.
Jackson
Curtis
Avant
Baskett
Maclin
Hands down, I take this years group over 04's...The corps is 100X deeper, and each guy plays a role in the offense. Lewis and McMullen were trainwrecks, and Freddie wasn't much better. Aside from Owens, the XXXIX team had an awful roster of WR's.
Yet somehow they made it to the Super Bowl without Me-O.
If that team had even competent receivers it would have likely won multiple Lombardi's. Sad that it's taken Reid over 10 years to realize that and finally get some weapons on the team.
too bad that by the time he finally did, he's now got an aging qb, rb and revamped offensive line.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 08, 2009, 10:21:43 AM
too bad that by the time he finally did, he's now got an aging qb, rb and revamped offensive line.
McNabb is younger than Peyton. His age isn't a problem. And if by revamped, you mean better, then you're right on point.
mcnabb's not old, but he's not young either. and his previous injuries will play a small role in his overall performance from now until he retires. less mobility, more aches and pains, etc. and considering that this revamped o-line hasn't played a single down off football together, then i refuse to say that they are any better (or worse for that matter) than what we've been accustomed to seeing for nearly 10 years.
Pronouncing this offensive line as better than the one that played last year is premature to say the least. I'm hopeful like I am every other year but let's not go whipping out our dicks just yet over it.
I guess I say that because as last year progressed and I thought about what could be in 09' with the OL, I never thought they would be able to replace Tra and Runyan w Andrews and Peters. But you're right; cant say theyre better yet.
But farg you, Ill whip my meatcicle out whenever I want.
Beermonkey's Mom would appreciate that, no doubt.
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2009, 10:41:17 AM
Pronouncing this offensive line as better than the one that played last year is premature to say the least. I'm hopeful like I am every other year but let's not go whipping out our dicks just yet over it.
this is so true and something ive been saying since the day peters was acquired...theres almost no chance the tackles are as good as tra and runyan...why would anyone think other wise...and the line as whole is going to have big time growing pains...hopefully by the end of the year they are solid and next year i would expect them to be one of the best in the league...but for the at least the first half of this season i feel like they are going to be trouble
It would be real nice if Andrews the Younger would grow a farging spine so they could actually get some time in together.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2009, 03:11:04 PM
...hopefully by the end of the year they are solid and next year i would expect them to be one of the best in the league...but for the at least the first half of this season i feel like they are going to be trouble
Very true.
As long as they are gelling by 11/1 against the Gnats they should be alright. The first 6 games (with a bye mixed in there) are a cake walk compared to the rest of the schedule.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2009, 08:28:12 AM
pinky led philadelphia eagle wr's in receptions for the 2000's
again he led an nfl franchise in most receptions for a wr for an entire decade
if you think he was a piece of shtein or the worst wr in team history or even that he sucked then you dont know football
what he was was a brutally average wr totally out of place on a team that was pathetically weak at his position who got caught up in a perfect storm of hatred by an ignorant section of a fanbase
So what, he was no.1 for the worst wr corps in the league. Name me a single pro-bowl reciever from that era? You'd be hard pressed to find one who would have started on any other team.
reading is not your strong suit is it
I read better than you type.
thats highly questionable
Oh yeah? What, your keyboard doesn't have punctuation keys??
the difference is i just dont care....where as you are trying your best and failing
what shorebird is either not seeing, or simply ignoring is that the only person who thought pinkston was a suitable starter was reid. to paraphrase denny green, he was who we thought he was. in other words, eagles fans knew that pinkston shouldn't be a primary target on any nfl team and we've stopped holding a hate grudge against him for something that was beyond his control.
still hating on blaine bishop for thinking he could cover anyone while playing on one leg makes sense.
still hating on pinkston 4 yrs after his career ended because reid over estimated his talent/under estimated the need to quality receivers in a pass first offence is a complete waste of time, energy and emotion. and dumb.
pretty much sums it up right there
thanks hot stuff. it makes my tendorloins tingle whenever we're able to find a common ground.
toodles sweetie
There's gonna be something on Maclin on ESPN at 7 for the E60 show.....my guess is it'll be mostly about his dad.
I really thought that Maclin and Gibson looked very good last night
Maclin looked great muffing that punt.
after that, he put up over 220yds returning
That's a lot of yards of returning.
Vick was behind him with dogs
He only got 2 catches for 44 yds, but i liked what i saw. Gibson really played well.
wrong thread, nm
Good first showing, IMO. Other than the bonehead muff.
It is quite surprising to me how much he is contributing after the hold out. I thought he'd be invisible all year. Granted his presence in there is due to Curtis' injury, but he's taking advantage and has effective Wally Pipped Kevin Curtis.
Add in the fact that he's picked up the offense coming from the spread at Mizzou and its even better
He looks for real. That TD catch was the shtein. Total concentration on that ball with the defender hanging on his back.
I like Maclin a lot. He always seems to make great catches while well covered (what a concept - receivers with great hands who can make plays!). That TD catch today was the best yet! 8)
I agree...a receiver that catches with his hands and not his body. Whodathunk?
It's been a long time, if ever that this team has had two weapons like this at wr. The only thing that can screw it up is Andy's lopsided play calling.
That and career-ending injuries.
Quote from: shorebird on November 02, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
It's been a long time, if ever that this team has had two weapons like this at wr. The only thing that can screw it up is Andy's lopsided play calling.
the only other legit wr duo i can remember the eagles having is arkansas fred and calvin williams and pimp/maclin can easily overtake them.
Since I was at the game yesterday I couldn't see replays or pause and rewind. I just finished watching the game on DVR and two plays stood out to me;
1. The missed pass that we discussed earlier. You know, the one that went right through his hands? Yeah - it looked as bad replaying it as it did in person. But McNabb did not launch a rocket, like IGY suggested. And yes the ball was on his back shoulder but the damn thing was catchable. And despite my previous thought that he looked up field, he did not. His head was looking right at the ball and it still went through his mitts.
2. The last play for the Eagles...Maclin runs a go down the sideline and draws double coverage. Mike Jenkins and Ken Hamlin are there and what is Jeremy Maclin doing? Looking at Ken Hamlin. He's not even looking for the ball! He was watching Hamlin close in on him.
From where I was standing their backs were to me and I could hear Hamlin talking shtein to Maclin, but I couldn't see that his eyes were fixated on Hamlin bearing down on him. Good job, rook.
Uh, the score was 20-something to nothing with like 3 minutes left. Why was Maclin or Jackson or McNabb or anyone with a pulse still even on the field? Maclin making no effort on that pass proved one thing and one thing only, that he is smarter than every coach on the Eagles sideline to give up on a meaningless play when he shouldn't have even been on the field.
Oh, and I rewatched that pass that McNabb farged up over and over again and he launched that farger at a receiver who was 9 yards away. A farging underhand pass would have been more effective.
Launched?
The thing had a hump in it...it wasn't a bullet.
It was way harder than it needed to be. If McNabb threw in front of him, Maclin could have broken a finger catching it. Instead, we had to watch Maclin miss out on making what would have been a hell of a sweet catch
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
Oh, and I rewatched that pass that McNabb farged up over and over again and he launched that farger at a receiver who was 9 yards away. A farging underhand pass would have been more effective.
hence the reason it was uncatchable....unless you watch it on some matrix type slo mo replay...you know how in that movie when the doods lean backwards and dodge the bullett...that was the football version of that scene
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2010, 09:27:20 PM
Launched?
The thing had a hump in it...it wasn't a bullet.
for god's sake, jay... that was a rocket.
stop.
Wait, what's The Matrix?
Any ball is catchable when it goes through both hands! This kid has been taking rockets from McNabb all year, its inexcusable. just stop it. he's paid millions to catch those balls and was drafted for it as well. McNabb will be McNabb and make bad throws, but this one was catchable folks. shut it.
your inability to grasp even the simplest aspects of the game amazes me, mussa.
bad throw from mcnabb. still could have been caught. it wasn't. shut up. the end.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2010, 10:28:54 AM
your inability to grasp even the simplest aspects of the game amazes me, mussa.
some people just will never get it no matter how many times you explain it to them
nope
some people are such unfathomable mcnabb homers that have been defending his every move for 10 years that they cant give it up on one poor pass. think about all the nfccg chokes, the superbowl choke, the puking, wilma, his dorky nature; theres been too much ammo to attack mcnabb and his homers are like robots defending him.
its the coaching. the play calling. the wide outs. the defense. YOU make a play. give the man some help. ok so hes not that accurate, neither are most qbs. it goes on and on and on.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2010, 10:28:54 AM
your inability to grasp even the simplest aspects of the game amazes me, mussa.
Oh, irony.
That ball was not that hard to catch. It was not a good throw, but it was still a catch that needs to be made by an NFL WR. And it wasn't. And any person who's played football, especially WR, will tell you if the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it.
The end.
Jesus Christ they are professional athletes, the ball went right through BOTH hands! They even showed a slow motion replay in which everyone in the room as well as me all said he should of caught it. I'm not defending McNabb, he should of put in on his numbers in stride and not off his back shoulder, but it was clearly a catch-able ball to me and others. Maclin has caught uglier and harder throws than that this year please. Bottom line is McNabb struggles with accuracy and Maclin looks good at times and timid and weak in others. Moving the farg on
Every person in the media, local or national, has called it a drop. The only people who are insisting it was uncatchable are 3 or 4 dolts here.
Quote from: mussa on January 05, 2010, 01:18:42 PM
They even showed a slow motion replay in which everyone in the room as well as me all said he should of caught it.
lol
this is what ive been trying to say since sunday after the game...every ball looks like it can be caught in slow motion...when you make comments like this you really start to morph into a 16 year old kid watching football ala munson
stand a few yards away from anyone
run as fast as you can in one direction
then have that person throw the ball as hard as they posssible can in the direction youre not going
then reach back and try to catch that ball
its impossible
and dont tell me hes a pro receiver and should catch that...hes not superman and the person firing the ball at that speed is one of the strongest armed pro quarterbacks...which cancels out saying a pro wr should make the catch
physics dont allow it
Quote from: Munson on January 05, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Every person in the media, local or national, has called it a drop. The only people who are insisting it was uncatchable are 3 or 4 dolts here.
Judging intelligence based on the sports-media consensus seems like a good idea.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2010, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 05, 2010, 01:18:42 PM
They even showed a slow motion replay in which everyone in the room as well as me all said he should of caught it.
stand a few yards away from anyone
run as fast as you can in one direction
then have that person throw the ball as hard as they posssible can in the direction youre not going
then reach back and try to catch that ball
its impossible
lol I've seen this same thing done many times in backyard football games. I think an NFL WR can handle it.
The more you insist that ball was uncatchable the more you show just how little you know about playing the game.
Rusty, if it means that much to you, I can guarentee any NFL WR will tell you if the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it.
munson if we are going to remain best friends stop guaranteeing things on an nfl level
it didnt hit him in the hands...he tried to reach back with his hands and hit the ball...you do know the difference right?
and making retarded black and white comments like if a ball touches someones hands it should be caught (which is one of the oldest most ridiculous cliches in sports) just makes you sound silly
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2010, 01:36:43 PM
it didnt hit him in the hands...he tried to reach back with his hands and hit the ball...you do know the difference right?
and making retarded black and white comments like if a ball touches someones hands it should be caught (which is one of the oldest most ridiculous cliches in sports) just makes you sound silly
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Omg igy stop stop....that post was too much. That was like...the best stupid and ironic post ever on this MB.
And reese, you know as well as I do an NFL WR will tell you "yeah I shouda caught that ball". And IGY knows it. and Jew boy knows it.
But they wanna find any reason they can to hate. That's okay. As long as IGY keeps posting things like that.
you farging dolt
the qb you worship is gonna be 0/11 in superbowls
then hes gonna go to another team.
stop it. ill hate on people when they always fail. like McHeart-throb.
I don't think anyone is loving McNabb. In fact I think everyone here has said the throw should have been better.
It's the idiots like you proclaiming the ball uncatchable that sound like ignorant unathletic fargtards who need a healthy dose of ebola.
i watched it at full speed and in slow motion IGY. im well aware how the ball was thrown. he had his hands in a position to catch it and it went right between his mitts. you can't tell me he doesn't catch that on the practice field day after day. please. id be bitching along with you guys if that ball is not catch-able but its was. desean, maclin, celek, avant, they all dropped passes that they should of had. mcnabb was being mcnabb. im not sure why everyone is so upset at JUST mcnabb when the entire team took a shtein and bitched out.
I'm just happy that Munson is going around making guarantees about what professional football players would say about this play. It warms my heart to see such care free stupidity on full display.
Can you tell me otherwise Rusty? Can you say with any confidence that an NFL WR would tell you "It hit me in the hands but.....nah it was uncatchable."
Because I can definitely say with complete confidence that anyone who's played WR will tell you that's rule #1 of being a WR. If you get your hands on the ball, catch the ball.
I don't pretend to know what professional wide receivers would say about anything. But great point!
munson's seeming inability to grasp the concept of irony while exemplifying it with each post is excellent as well.
lol you're both idiots.
I will bet any amount of money that any WR, professional or otherwise, will tell you that you need to catch the ball when you get your hands on it.
mussa youre only looking at his hands and the ball....completely ignoring the fact that he was going full speed in the opposite direction
this isnt avant running down the middle of the field against sd and simply contorting his body to catch a ball on the wrong side him
this is your entire body going one way at a very high speed and a ball going the other way at an even faster clip...its just not possible to catch that
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2010, 01:47:49 PM
I'm just happy that Munson is going around making guarantees about what professional football players would say about this play. It warms my heart to see such care free stupidity on full display.
its so funny seeing him try so hard to tell people he played football
Quote from: Munson on January 05, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
lol you're both idiots.
I will bet any amount of money that any WR, professional or otherwise, will tell you that you need to catch the ball when you get your hands on it.
There is no way for you to make a more idiotic and less concrete bet. I'm amazed by your persistance on this point even though I know I shouldn't be. Jesus christ.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2010, 01:52:10 PM
this is your entire body going one way at a very high speed and a ball going the other way at an even faster clip...its just not possible to catch that
lol I can't believe it. How can one person know so little about playing football?
Even the most avid McNabb haters I know call that ball a drop....like there are literally 4 people on the planet that think that ball was uncatchable and they all post here.
yeah - i stand corrected.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2010, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 05, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
lol you're both idiots.
I will bet any amount of money that any WR, professional or otherwise, will tell you that you need to catch the ball when you get your hands on it.
There is no way for you to make a more idiotic and less concrete bet. I'm amazed by your persistance on this point even though I know I shouldn't be. Jesus christ.
What's not concrete about it. Go out and find an NFL, college, high school, pee wee, backyard football....literally any person playing WR. They will say "Well the throw was a little behind me...but I got my hands on it. I shoulda made the catch."
I love how IGY is insisting it's uncatchable when catches like that are made on the regular every Sunday.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
there is no conceivable way you're this retarded. i simply refuse to believe it.
lol yes...you, IGY, and todd think the ball was uncatchable. Everybody else who has spoken on the matter have said the opposite. Tards!
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
there is no conceivable way you're this retarded. i simply refuse to believe it.
belee dat
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2010, 01:54:23 PM
There is no way for you to make a more idiotic and less concrete bet.
ha
i bet if he did make it hed win it tho then hed go out and run a 4.2 on the grass field where he played big time high school football and farg miss delware under the bleachers after it was all over
What's it like watching a football game and having no idea what's actually going on past down, distance, and the score?
Which reminds me...wanna be my girlfriend?
arrogant, smug, condescending and clueless.
i just figured out who munson's father is.
(http://img.fannation.com/upload/truth_rumor/photo_upload/111/891/full/Joe-Banner.jpg)
munson doesnt even know who his father is
not until today he didn't.
You morons have 3 pages worth of arguing over a single play. McNabb's accuracy is inconsistent. Maclin is a WR, and most WRs don't catch 100% of the balls thrown to them. An identical play this week probably won't happen. Move on.
i can't believe i'm saying this, but you're all morons and munson is dead on. to a fruity drink guy like havas or a geriatric like rome, of course full game speed seems too fast for you guys. because no one on this board has ever come close to playing football at nfl game speed. i won't say that maclin should have caught it, because it was a hard ball to catch. but it was still catchable and i'd say that the top tier receivers in the game can make that catch.....not all the time, but they can still get their hands on it and pull it in.
and the #1 rule for receivers from pee wee league and on is if it hits your hands, you can catch it. hell, people even say that in lame ass recreational flag football leagues and i'm pretty sure that's not something they made up on their own. i've heard pee wee coaches say it, jv coaches say it and varsity coaches say it. so there's probably a good possibility that college and nfl coaches say it too.
but it is what it is.....inaccurate throw that could have been caught but wasn't. oh farging well. next.
lol
can we get an 'Ask Munson' section? because he obviously should've been an NFL receiver and based on that, he knows what they are thinking and based on THAT, he can answer any question on the position.
Just because coaches and announcers use cliches such as "if it hits your hands, you can catch it" doesn't make it true in every situation. Had Maclin caught the ball, it would have been a highlight worthy miracle catch. So technically it wasn't uncatchable, but it was as close as it gets.
lol at highlight worthy.
That catch is made 10 times a week in the NFL and they are not highlight catches.
His non-catch made the highlight reel. But if that catch is made 10x/wk then it's not made at least 20
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 06, 2010, 02:26:41 PM
His non-catch made the highlight reel. But if that catch is made 10x/wk then it's not made at least 20
you have to understand the ball has to be catchable because otherwise mcnabb looks worse than he already is
that play reminded me of dodgeball in elementary school when youre one the last couple guys and someone from just across the line fires a ball at you while youre running to get another ball and he throws it behind you...and rather than try to reach behind you and attempt to make the unmakeable catch that would eliminate the thrower you continue on in pursuit of another ball
You people are ridiculous that this has been an argument all week. The catch should have been made, however it should have been a better throw. I don't see how anyone can argue either. Personally I am pretty sick of the same shein with the Eagles so I could care less whether McNabb stays or goes.
The thing that cracks me up is the hatred that many of you have for him no matter what he does he gets criticized. After the turd that was laid last week though I don't know how anybody can continue to argue about one play. No one showed up last week, I repeat no one.
pretty sure more scrutiny is going to be put on an 11 year veteran QB than anyone else on the field...especially one as annoying as mcnabb
just like andy reid is going to be critiqued more so than the wide receivers coach
and the reason it seems like mcnabb gets criticized no matter what is because he doesnt get praised for the normal stuff anymore because everyone has been there and done that....youre not going to see anyone blow him when he runs it up against kc...but you will hear him get bashed for not beating anyone good or failing to win the big game again
Eagles scored zero pts. Even if he does catch it, it makes no difference. We'll never know if he even could have caught it because he made as much effort as the offense scored pts., zero.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2010, 03:17:54 PM
pretty sure more scrutiny is going to be put on an 11 year veteran QB than anyone else on the field...especially one as annoying as mcnabb
just like andy reid is going to be critiqued more so than the wide receivers coach
and the reason it seems like mcnabb gets criticized no matter what is because he doesnt get praised for the normal stuff anymore because everyone has been there and done that....youre not going to see anyone blow him when he runs it up against kc...but you will hear him get bashed for not beating anyone good or failing to win the big game again
I don't think you get what I am saying, the fact that people continue to argue about one play in a game filled with ineptitude is pretty much insane. If you want to criticize something that was an even bigger play how about when he over threw Pimp? That has happened once a game in at least the last four. Than being said McNabb could win a SB and there are many like yourself that would not care and still hate him.
I do understand why people get pissed at him and he deserves it, but often times it is just nitpicking.
i cant speak for anyone else but i was only speaking about the macklin play in terms of a football play not in relation to who threw the ball
you dont need to advance the discussion to whether it was uncatchable or not to kill mcnabb on the throw...the play was 100% on mcnabb regardless
lol you are so football dumb it's slightly embarrassing and not worth discussing specifics of the game with you anymore.
if that means you're leaving then yay.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2010, 03:17:54 PM
pretty sure more scrutiny is going to be put on an 11 year veteran QB than anyone else on the field.
completely agree as it starts with the bad throw. an accurate throw infront of maclin probably goes the distance. or at least puts them in the redzone so they can turn it over.
why are we still talking about this again?
Because it's McNabb and some people will go to any length trying to make him look bad even if it also makes them look stupid.
just like some people will go any length to defend him, even if it makes them look stupid.
rinse wash repeat. shut the farg up already
Why would you rinse before you wash, dummy?
probably for the same reason he thought that filling his truck bed with snow and then parking it in the garage would be a good idea.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
probably for the same reason he thought that filling his truck bed with snow and then parking it in the garage would be a good idea.
LOL!! mussa, did you really do that!?
He was probably drunk knowing him. Who here among us hasn't done something retarded like that. Hell I could have my own thread.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
probably for the same reason he thought that filling his truck bed with snow and then parking it in the garage would be a good idea.
lol
Quote from: Rome on January 07, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
probably for the same reason he thought that filling his truck bed with snow and then parking it in the garage would be a good idea.
lol
mission complete
damn if that truck didn't have some nice traction all that day though
Any reason not to farging love Jeremy Maclin? (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20101105_Ashley_Fox___Maclin__Very_good_and_getting_better.html)
He's been becoming one of my favorites this season. He's an overall solid WR so far, seems to catch everything he can get his hands on...but unlike a lot possession guys he has the speed to burn people deep. I hope they hang onto him and DJack for a long time.
so what's up with this illness he supposedly has? Just mono or something worse?
Eskin and Skversky are saying he'll be at camp sometime this week
That's what I've been wondering, it's a huge question. I've seen everything from he'll be back soon to the worst case scenario. Listening to Andy it doesn't sound like everything's fine there.
Quote"I really can't talk about it until he gets up here,'' Reid said about Maclin's illness. "And that's no pressure on him or I'm pushing. I just want what's best for him and that's all I care about right now. This is a personal thing and I can't go any further than that.
"When it's taken care of, then we'll talk. But right now, I'm saying you guys, I've had a chance to talk to him every day and we all love the kid. He's nothing but toughness and grit and everything. He loves to play the game, but we just have to get this part taken care of."
Maclin suffered through a mono-like illness during the offseason and lost about 15 pounds. He did practice briefly during the Eagles informal workouts in Evesham in May.
"Listen, I can't get into any of the details on this." Reid said.
Something's up...black people aren't gritty.
A few people (beat writers) have said they are under the assumption that Maclin tried to come back too soon from mono and relapsed.
They need to get another WR. They're one DeSean injury away from possibly trotting out a top 3 of Avant, Sinorice Moss, and Riley Cooper in week 1.
Higginzzzz
Sounds like AIDs
stay classy.
Ha! Is that a taterskins fan? Haitin on us because we're beautiful?
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 01, 2011, 09:45:14 PM
Ha! Is that a taterskins fan? Haitin on us because we're beautiful?
No, he's an Eagles fan. Not sure why he has that avatar.
he also worships Billy Beane and that Moneyball crap. He may be in line at the theater for tickets to the movie already.
I'm just saying. Mono-like disease is a weird farging thing to say.
I guess it would be strange for a taterskins fan to have 2500 posts here.
Anyway mp, agree mono-like is a weird way of putting it. On the one hand Reid sounded like we just had to wait and Maclin would be back joining the team, but it also sounded a little Shawn Andrews-like weird/ominous. There is a rare variant of mono that can be fatal, but hopefully it's the first scenario and he'll be back this preseason. I wouldn't think it's anything dire if he was out practicing with the guys a few weeks ago.
Botulism-bad meat in the can.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 02, 2011, 10:09:47 AM
Botulism-bad meat in the can.
wtf is that supposed to mean? I'm going to guess it's another racist comment, in which case I am hoping you get the boot once and for all.
reported to camp today and expects to be on the field tomorrow :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
reported to camp today and expects to be on the field tomorrow :yay
You mean he's not dead?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 02, 2011, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 02, 2011, 10:09:47 AM
Botulism-bad meat in the can.
wtf is that supposed to mean? I'm going to guess it's another racist comment, in which case I am hoping you get the boot once and for all.
Nope, gay joke. Don't assume everything I say is racist. And why is it okay to make Jew comments and gay comments but not black comments?
All comments are fine, except when you make them. Possibly because you're a shlomosexual.
If you find yourself requiring explanation as to why you're not a bigot time and time again, chances are you're a bigot.
Are you saying I am sexually aroused by this guy?
(http://socialjusticenow.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/aviner_shlomo2004.jpg)
Yes.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 02, 2011, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 02, 2011, 10:09:47 AM
Botulism-bad meat in the can.
wtf is that supposed to mean? I'm going to guess it's another racist comment, in which case I am hoping you get the boot once and for all.
I think it means he ate SPAM
(http://a.yfrog.com/img738/9126/npugh.jpg)
He's supposedly only 5 lbs from his playing weight last year.
I'll throw this here too in case it gets lost in the Random topic
interview w/ Glazer about the lymphoma scare (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jeremy-maclin-philadelphia-eagles-all-good-after-false-cancer-scare-081711)
Cleared to practice on Saturday, per the Eagles trainers.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
reported to camp today and expects to be on the field tomorrow Saturday the 20th :yay
lol easy on the ball
hey, I said he'd be on the field. Never said anything about actual practice...
We talkin' about practice.
Apparently the FO treated him a little better than Weaver:
QuoteI wanted to keep it private until I knew for sure what was going on, and the Eagles were amazing. They were one of the only ones who knew. My relationship with them is more than professional. They were like family during this.
Almost cancer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>broken knees?
Really young and talented wide receiver with bright future vs. might-as-well-be-dead fullback?
QuoteHe then was sent on a rather painful five-month journey to diagnose the ailment...
Maclin then went through a series of painful tests, including the insertion of large, painful needles through his back and into his chest to gather biopsy samples.
Man, I wonder what that was like
(http://www.inkart.com/images/LineArtUpdate/Pin_Cushion.jpg)
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 17, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
We talkin' about practice.
Apparently the FO treated him a little better than Weaver:
QuoteI wanted to keep it private until I knew for sure what was going on, and the Eagles were amazing. They were one of the only ones who knew. My relationship with them is more than professional. They were like family during this.
they kept it private because of HIPAA laws, not out of the goodness of their greedy little hearts.
im pretty sure hippa laws dont apply to the eagles....they apply to the health care professionals
for instance it would be illegal for macks health care provider or insurance company to disclose his illness...but if mack told the eagles what the problem was there are no hippa laws preventing the eagles from disclosing it
someone correct me if im wrong but i think thats how it works
anyway the eagles treat the players they want very well....its the players they dont want or who have gotten on the wrong side of them who they disembowel
correct
hippa has nothing to do with it
It's amazing that even when this front office does something absolutely right they still get killed over it in certain quarters.
HIPAA as in they didn't tell the team about his condition until they knew for sure.
mack was telling the team everything that was happening the whole way thru and asked them to not disclose any info...and they obliged
doesnt seem to me that hippa laws were a factor in any of this...unless im reading into it wrong
When IGY is defending the front office to PG, I fear we've reached the end of the internet.
I believe the team would be covered under HIPAA law because they are employers of health care providers (or contractors to them as business associates), but players sign a disclosure authorization allowing the team to comment on a players condition (for example each team is required to furnish an injury report each week, and they couldn't do this if they got the information from a team physician unless the player had authorized it).
Maybe I'm just shooting from the HIPAA, but I DON'T GIVE A shtein. SHUT THE farg UP ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
Hungry hungry HIPPAS
HIPPA, the ugly, lesser known, Middleton sister.
oh my
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 18, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
im pretty sure hippa laws dont apply to the eagles....they apply to the health care professionals
for instance it would be illegal for macks health care provider or insurance company to disclose his illness...but if mack told the eagles what the problem was there are no hippa laws preventing the eagles from disclosing it
someone correct me if im wrong but i think thats how it works
anyway the eagles treat the players they want very well....its the players they dont want or who have gotten on the wrong side of them who they disembowel
As someone who receives annual training on HIPAA requirements, I can tell you that the Eagles are prevented from disclosing the information because they cover Maclin under an "employer sponsored health plan". Rick Burkholder even said during one of his question/answer sessions that he couldn't legally say anything about Maclin's condition because Maclin had requested them not to disclose his PHI (Protected Health Information).
Now now don't you go using facts around IGY.
Quote from: theduffman on August 19, 2011, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 18, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
im pretty sure hippa laws dont apply to the eagles....they apply to the health care professionals
for instance it would be illegal for macks health care provider or insurance company to disclose his illness...but if mack told the eagles what the problem was there are no hippa laws preventing the eagles from disclosing it
someone correct me if im wrong but i think thats how it works
anyway the eagles treat the players they want very well....its the players they dont want or who have gotten on the wrong side of them who they disembowel
As someone who receives annual training on HIPAA requirements, I can tell you that the Eagles are prevented from disclosing the information because they cover Maclin under an "employer sponsored health plan". Rick Burkholder even said during one of his question/answer sessions that he couldn't legally say anything about Maclin's condition because Maclin had requested them not to disclose his PHI (Protected Health Information).
then pg was right....they were good banner inc because they had to...not because they wanted to....kinda funny that mack fell for it cause dood seems like he knows what hes talkin about....who can resist the swirley lolipop tho
Whatever it takes to take a shot at them, right? I'm not judging, I'm just saying.
i tried to defend them but duffy talked me out of it
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2011, 01:58:49 AM
i tried to defend them but duffy talked me out of it
Sometimes they may deserve defending, but this instance isn't one of them. They had no choice in the matter.
So no word on the hundreds of times players' conditions do get leaked, then?
Who cares about any of this?
All I care about is that he gets healthy and back on the field.
QuoteWith the start of free agency three weeks away, Eagles free-agent receiver Jeremy Maclin remains hopeful that he can reach a deal to stay in Philadelphia. "I've always stated this is where I want to be. The Eagles have stated the same thing," Maclin said Saturday at the NovaCare Complex before tryouts for the Soul of the arena league. "We'll continue to get on the same page with all that and just get something done."
Why is he at tryouts for the Soul?
He's networking.
:-D
Could we not re-sign Maclin? That would be great. Brandon Lafell Please.
Stats wise, Lafell and Maclin are pretty much the same. What is it you see in Lafell?
Lafell is more physical and a better blocker. Also not coming off a major knee injury.
True. He'd probably do better in Chip's offense also. Or for that matter, any offense that doesn't have a Megatron. Still, I don't get the people who would just kick Maclin to the curb. Before his injury, I thought his best seasons were ahead of him, especially now with what seems like a pretty good QB passing too him.