Linky McLinkerson (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9453994/Draft-review:-How-every-team-ranks-from-2003-%2708?gt1=39002)
QuotePHILADELPHIA: The Eagles' best players over the last six drafts haven't come in the first round other than guard Shawn Andrews. Three of their best linebackers — Chris Gocong, Omar Gaither and Stewart Bradley — were taken in the middle rounds. The best picks for value were DE Trent Cole, the 146th overall pick in 2005, and receiver DeSean Jackson, the 49th overall pick last year. The Eagles have a penchant for taking flyers on players like Jeremy Bloom and Winston Justice.
Picks:53
First-round picks: 4
Starters: 9
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: C
That's about right for those years.
But he grades Pittsburgh an A and Washington a B?
Well, within the last 6 years the Steelers did draft the guys that threw and caught the SB-winning pass this year.
they are not the gold standard though
How were they taking a flyer on Justice he was considered anywhere from a top ten to top 20 selection.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 16, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Well, within the last 6 years the Steelers did draft the guys that threw and caught the SB-winning pass this year.
No doubt...but looking at their numbers of picks, 1ts rounders, starters and pro-bowlers...its about the same.
its not the same...look at the contributions from the steeler players vs the eagles players
theres not really a comparison
"three of their best linebackers"...lolol are farging kidding me?...their linebackers stink and thats the backbone of their drafts??
The Steelers rarely do anything big in free agency, so they are basically a whole team of Steeler-drafted players. They won the Super Bowl twice in the last four seasons. Therefore I would conclude that they draft about as well as you can.
seriously...why is this even a question?
because certain people are homers and cant succumb to the fact that a bunch of others teams do a shtein a hell of a lot better than the eagles
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 16, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
How were they taking a flyer on Justice he was considered anywhere from a top ten to top 20 selection.
Remember how excited we were when the birds "stole" him in the second round? Guy was on everyones draft board going in the first round. He fell to the second round for a reason, he sucks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2009, 10:44:18 PM
its not the same...look at the contributions from the steeler players vs the eagles players
theres not really a comparison
"three of their best linebackers"...lolol are farging kidding me?...their linebackers stink and thats the backbone of their drafts??
Agreed on everything except Bradley. He's a good player.
Quote from: MDS on April 17, 2009, 12:18:51 AM
because certain people are homers and cant succumb to the fact that a bunch of others teams do a shtein a hell of a lot better than the eagles
No, not really.
But this was just put out there for discussion, not because I feel there is some major injustice going on here.
Pipe down, bitches.
Stewart Bradley's head is enormous.
True, but not as big as my balls. My left ball in particular. Gargantuan.
domo likes what they have done
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090417_Eagles_-_Overall__Eagles_have_more_hits_than_misses_in_draft_under_Reid.html
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* The 84 players they've drafted since 1999 have started a total of 1,780 games, which is the 12th most in the league.
* Only four teams - San Diego, Dallas, New England and the New York Jets - have had more draft picks make the Pro Bowl than the Eagles during that period. The Chargers lead the way with 10 and the Cowboys, Patriots and Jets each have had nine. The Eagles are one of seven teams tied with eight.
* The Eagles had seven players from their last three draft classes start at least eight games last year for a team that made it to the NFC Championship Game. Only one other playoff team - the Indianapolis Colts – had more (10). And that list of '08 starters doesn't include two undrafted free agents from those draft classes - linebacker Akeem Jordan ('07) and guard Nick Cole ('06) - who combined for 17 starts.
they may have more hits than misses, but when they miss, they often miss in collussal fashion. and when they hit, they're not usually blowing you away. just taking up space.
just because they draft players and put them on the field as starters does not mean that they have made great draft picks. it simply means that they are too stubborn/arrogant to look elsewhere when a draft pick doesn't quite pan out because it would essentially mean that they are admitting to making a mistake. and if you make mistakes, you must not be gold standard. and the eagles are the gold standard, so obviously they can't make mistakes.
They do get a lot of mediocre starts from some mediocre draft picks. The Pro Bowl picks are a little surprising, but those include players they later pissed off and drove out of town.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 17, 2009, 11:21:38 AM
just because they draft players and put them on the field as starters does not mean that they have made great draft picks.
exactly...if youre gonna give them extra credit just for having a guy start regardless of how good he is then you gotta punish them more for complete busts which they seem to have a lot of on the first day
i think overall since 99 they are probably a C grade
however in the last four or five years they are dangerously close to failing
You also have to consider that the Eagles usually end up with more picks than the average team. I'd like to see how well the Eagles do versus other teams per pick.
According to ESPN, the Eagles have never drafted a Hall of Famer, a Player of the Year, or a Rookie of the Year. They have only drafted one MVP: kicker Mark Moseley, who won the MVP during the strike season 12 years after being drafted (and while playing for the taterskins).
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 17, 2009, 04:43:07 PM
You also have to consider that the Eagles usually end up with more picks than the average team. I'd like to see how well the Eagles do versus other teams per pick.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090417_Eagles_-_Overall__Eagles_have_more_hits_than_misses_in_draft_under_Reid.html
about halfway down there's a chart on the right that has a breakdown the results of the last 3 drafts and how many starters/back ups/not with team for every team in the league. overall, it appears that the eagles rank about as well as anyone in that regard.
i don't think the eagles problem is drafting. they've had their hits and misses just like every other team. the problem with the eagles is that they don't value free agency enough to add high dollar veterans to fill in the gaps left by misses of past drafts.
take wr for example: the eagles have drafted more than their fair share of recievers in the first 3 rounds over the last 10 years. but so far, jackson seems to be the first one who my actually be an impact player, although i have doubts about his durability given his size. and what happens to him 5 years from now when he isn't quite as explosive as he is now? like an az hakim or daunte hall.
you always build your team through the draft and try and sustain that way as well. but you're never going to hit on 100% of your picks and that's when you need to turn to free agency to compensate. the eagles have always taken the cheap route in free agency and rather than look for a long term replacement, they always go on the cheap and sign players to 1 year deals just to carry them through the next season so that they can try and draft a replacement the following year. this is exceptionally true when it comes to linebackers and apparently now at safety as well with jones replacing dawk.
they will probably draft a safety this year and pawn him off on us as dawk's replacement. jones will get most of the playing time while the rookie learns and gets minimal playing time. then next year, they'll let jones walk and fill the spot with said rookie. who will probably suck. but it's cheaper than re-signing jones or any other proven safety available on the market.
go team!
you cant go by how many starters a team has drafted....you have to look at the quality of starters...i dont know why so many writers do it in black and white terms...would you rather have patrick willis or stewart bradley?...omar gaither or demeco ryans?
is a 6th rounder who comes in and starts valued the same as a 1st rounder who comes in and starts?
do the eagles get credit for winston justice starting one game?
do the eagles get more credit for chris gocong than the steelers do james harrison?
i dont how this works...but i do know you have to do more than look at it on paper..you cant just google a teams drafts then count up the starters...you have to evaluate each and every player on the field
before pimp (and hes only played one year) who was the last guy the eagles drafted who turned into a ill use the word stud but fill in a more appropriate term if there is one but a player who consistently played at a really high level...not many...andrews i guess...then you gotta go back to 2002...
like i said the other day the first several drafts reid had were solid...but since 2003 its been pretty awful
just going off memory (with a mild hangover mind you), i can only think of 5 players that were drafted under reid who are starters on the eagles and could start on pretty much any team in the league:
mcnabb
andrews
westbrook
sheldon brown
lito sheppard
6 players if you include rod hood but i can't remember if he was a reid draft pick or not.
because now that i'm thinking about it, there have been A LOT of reid draft picks that have been thrown out on the field and passed off as starters that probably wouldn't start for half the teams in the league and would be cut from the other half.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 19, 2009, 10:47:48 AM
6 players if you include rod hood but i can't remember if he was a reid draft pick or not.
Hood was an UDFA.
I'd add Bunkley to that list and Patterson too. Not superstars, but certainly starting-caliber players.
Bradley & Herremans too.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
According to ESPN, the Eagles have never drafted a Hall of Famer, a Player of the Year, or a Rookie of the Year. They have only drafted one MVP: kicker Mark Moseley, who won the MVP during the strike season 12 years after being drafted (and while playing for the taterskins).
Off the top of my head, Tommy McDonald was drafted by the Eagles and Reggie White was drafted in the expansion draft. An interesting side note is that draftmeister Parcells passed on White for another player. Imagine that D with White on the left side and LT on the right.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 19, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
According to ESPN, the Eagles have never drafted a Hall of Famer, a Player of the Year, or a Rookie of the Year. They have only drafted one MVP: kicker Mark Moseley, who won the MVP during the strike season 12 years after being drafted (and while playing for the taterskins).
Off the top of my head, Tommy McDonald was drafted by the Eagles and Reggie White was drafted in the expansion draft. An interesting side note is that draftmeister Parcells passed on White for another player. Imagine that D with White on the left side and LT on the right.
Looks like ESPN was limiting their analysis to the modern draft, which started in 1967 after the NFL and AFL merger agreement. And obviously they aren't counting the supplemental draft.
Can't really fault Parcells too much for passing on White. He selected another NFL Hall of Famer, Gary Zimmerman.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 19, 2009, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 19, 2009, 10:47:48 AM
6 players if you include rod hood but i can't remember if he was a reid draft pick or not.
Hood was an UDFA.
grassy ass
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
I'd add Bunkley to that list and Patterson too. Not superstars, but certainly starting-caliber players.
yeah, i'll buy that. it's easy to forget about the big guys clogging up the middle. both of them would start on a lot of teams in the league.
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2009, 01:46:57 PM
Bradley & Herremans too.
wost manneans, perhaps. bradley i'm still not sold on though. i don't think he sucks but i don't think he's good enough to start on most teams in the league. i think the only teams in the league he starts on are teams that are rebuilding or just flat out suck.
lions, chiefs, raiders, etc.
oh, and the eagles.