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QuoteGonzo: Cold Eagles sure are thin-skinned
By John Gonzalez
Inquirer Columnist
It's not personal. It's business. That was the cold cop-out the Eagles used when Brian Dawkins signed with Denver. But you can't fully appreciate how heartless the organization actually is until you learn how it apparently treated Dan Leone.
For the last six years, Leone was one of the team's many game-day stadium employees at Lincoln Financial Field. For longer than that - for his entire life - he's been a fan of the franchise.
Leone grew up in the shadow of Veterans Stadium in a red-brick rowhouse near 10th and Oregon. As a kid, he'd walk over to see his beloved Birds play. The trip was never easy. Leone has a neurological disorder called transverse myelitis. Because it causes muscle fatigue and limits the range of motion in his limbs, Leone was sometimes forced to use crutches as a child.
When he grew older and the Linc opened, Leone crossed his fingers and filled out an application. The Eagles hired him almost immediately. He was ecstatic. Leone called his friends and family and gushed about going to work for the team he's always loved. He couldn't have been happier if he'd been named the Eagles' starting quarterback.
On game days, Leone served as the west gate chief. The gig required Leone to hustle to different areas of the stadium as needed. That was tough. His left leg is weaker than his right, and standing for too long gives him severe pain in his right knee and hip because that's where he shifts all his weight. While on duty, he sometimes needed a wheelchair to get around.
"They had me running all over the place like a nut, but I didn't care," Leone said. "I was so proud to work for them. It was my dream."
Last week, the Eagles fired Leone.
Like a lot of Philadelphians, Leone was upset when Dawkins became a Bronco. So he did what a 32-year-old does these days: He vented on Facebook. "Dan is [expletive] devastated about Dawkins signing with Denver. . .Dam Eagles R Retarted!!"
It was a rash, stupid thing to do, and Leone regretted it almost instantly.
"I shouldn't have put it up there," Leone said. "I was ticked off, and I let my emotions go, but I didn't offend any one person or target a specific individual. I was just upset that we lost such a great guy. Dawkins was one of my favorite players. I made a mistake."
Less than two days after posting the Dawkins remarks, Leone said, he was contacted by Leonard Bonacci, the team's director of event operations. According to Leone, Bonacci said they needed to talk about Leone's Facebook page, and Leone agreed. Leone - who deleted the comment - figured that the two would sit down and that he could apologize to Bonacci in person. But Leone said Bonacci never got back to him after that.
Two days later, Leone said, he received a call from Rachel Vitagliano, the team's guest services manager. Leone said she fired him over the phone. The conversation lasted less than 10 minutes.
No warning. No suspension. No face-to-face meeting. Just a quick call to tell Leone he'd been terminated.
"I tried putting in my case to Rachel," Leone said. "I told her I worked there for six years. I did whatever they asked. I only missed one Eagles game the entire time I worked there, and that was because I'm a Mummer. I told her it was my dream to work for the Eagles and that I'd never do anything like that again."
Leone said Vitagliano didn't want to hear it. He said that she told him he couldn't be trusted, that the post made the team look bad, and that the only way to resolve the situation was to fire him.
"I apologized for it," Leone said. "I apologized 20 million times. I never bad-mouthed the organization before. I made one mistake and they terminate me? And they couldn't even bring me into the office to talk to me? They had to do it over the phone? At least look me in the eye. To get done dirty like this, I can't believe it. I'm devastated."
Messages left for Bonacci and Vitagliano weren't returned. Through a representative, the Eagles said, "The only information we can share is that Dan was a seasonal game-day employee and not a full-time member of the Eagles staff."
It's anyone's guess what that means. Perhaps the franchise thinks hourly-wage workers are disposable and, therefore, don't deserve consideration. At the very least, it appears the Birds don't think workers like Leone deserve a second chance.
The truly remarkable part about all this is that Leone isn't bitter, and he doesn't want revenge. He simply wants to be part of the team again.
"If they called me right now and told me to come back to work, I would," Leone said. "I'm not holding any grudges. I just want to do my job."
The way the Eagles appeared to have treated Leone seems so cruel and merciless, and they should be ashamed of themselves for it. Then again, how can you feel shame when you don't feel anything at all?
holy shtein, fired for that.
id like to say incredible but its par for the course with these people
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 09, 2009, 06:59:10 AM
holy shtein, fired for that.
Yet people on the eagles site can't grasp why Dave doesnt critizie the team more.
Quote from: paco on March 09, 2009, 08:10:17 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 09, 2009, 06:59:10 AM
holy shtein, fired for that.
Yet people on the eagles site can't grasp why Dave doesnt critizie the team more.
dave doesnt not criticize the team he suckles at their scrotum on a daily basis...and he does it with equal pretentiousness...hes one of them...otherwise he wouldnt work for these people as long as he has and basically be their whore for all these years...unless he is just a talentless hack who couldnt find work anywhere else...but by all accounts the eagles website is one of the best so i dont think thats the case....hes just a corksucking ahole like the rest of them
Cocks.
Terrible.
Wow.
don't care
the dmv is always hiring.
munson should apply for his old job, it'd be a step up from Ravens beer man
QuoteOn game days, Leone served as the west gate chief. The gig required Leone to hustle to different areas of the stadium as needed.
He's definitely got a good enough 40 time to do the job.
the crip is gonna be on wip tomorrow morning 7:30
I've seen him at the games a bunch of times.
As much as I despise the Eagles FO, I will say this much...if my boss caught me typing that on Facebook (about my company), I'd have been fired too. As a full time employee, yet...not just a seasonal guy.
Forget that he's in a wheelchair...that should have no bearing on this whatsoever except for sympathy votes. He SHOULD be treated like any other seasonal employee and that offense is worthy of being fired. You slammed your employer big time on the internet and got caught. Period.
But the Eagles' FO can still kiss my ass. I hate them all.
youve never disagreed with a decision a superior made at work and challenged them on it?...theres also this little thing called free speech...unless he signed some sort of agreement prior to being hired that forbid criticizing the organization he shoudlnt be fired....its cowardly and embarrassing...the chicken shtein guy who first saw it on his facebook running and telling on him should be fired for douchebaggery
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
youve never disagreed with a decision a superior made at work and challenged them on it?..
in private yes, in a public forum no.
you don't have to sign a contract saying you won't publicly disrespect the company you work for. it's just understood.
i'm with PG, i would be fired too if my company caught me talking bad about them on facebook.
still a fleshpop move, but he's an idiot.
Was there really somebody left that didn't know not to bash your company on facebook, myspace, or whatever den of horrors you and ten million other people visit on the internet?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
youve never disagreed with a decision a superior made at work and challenged them on it?...theres also this little thing called free speech...unless he signed some sort of agreement prior to being hired that forbid criticizing the organization he shoudlnt be fired....its cowardly and embarrassing...the chicken shtein guy who first saw it on his facebook running and telling on him should be fired for douchebaggery
To play devils advocate:
I'm a consultant and if I disagree with something, its my job to make sure things get done right. But behind closed doors.
Now, lets say I disagreed with something and publicly blasted my company, you could bet your arse I'd get fired.
However, I don't think a gate cheif should be fired for venting his frustrations on face book. As much as the eagles may play the "Hes a face of the organization" card, in reality, he just works the gates. Hes a seasonal employee who, like most seasonal employees, are fans.
The only question I have is, did he represent himself as a member of the eagles organization on his facebook page? If he did, then the eagles have a case, cold as it is.
so youre telling me if youre at a happy hour...a public setting...and you tell a coworker that your company is retarded that its acceptable to fire someone...maybe in the third reich not in america
if the guy was writing faux libelous memos on company letter head to stockholders or some shtein like that i could see...shtein if the guy was spamming the internets with talk about joe banners mama i could see firing him...but firing a guy because he disagreed with letting dawkins go is beyond ridiculous...and it has nothing to do with talking bad about your employer...its has to do with dawkins...if he had posted this about buckhalter hed still be working for the team...so add disingenious to classless and cowardly
obviously they can legally do this or they wouldnt have done it...but to defend it in even the smallest way is absurd
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
so youre telling me if youre at a happy hour...a public setting...and you tell a coworker that your company is retarded that its acceptable to fire someone...maybe in the third reich not in america
Do you stretch every morning so you can reach that far?
Posting something in facebook is public domain and can be considered as published slander.
And yes, if I was at a bar, and clients were there, and I was blasting my firm, I'd be fired.
This guy is going to rise to fame like Joe the Plumber... and parade around tv/radio regarding the situation. Just another obvious example of how ridiculous this organization is.
this is "retarted"
How long until we're collecting donations and getting signatures on an online protest dealie?
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 11:12:57 AM
This guy is going to rise to fame like Joe the Plumber... and parade around tv/radio regarding the situation. Just another obvious example of how ridiculous this organization is.
that would be incredible...from spadaro losing his mind on the emb and radio all last week...to the front office having not yet spoken publically (eskin show doesnt count) on it...to firing this guy it is clear as day how they unbelievably underestimated the negative repsonse this would get from the city...if this guy could be made into some sort of city wide folk hero it might cause banner to take his own life
Quote from: paco on March 09, 2009, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
so youre telling me if youre at a happy hour...a public setting...and you tell a coworker that your company is retarded that its acceptable to fire someone...maybe in the third reich not in america
Do you stretch every morning so you can reach that far?
Posting something in facebook is public domain and can be considered as published slander.
And yes, if I was at a bar, and clients were there, and I was blasting my firm, I'd be fired.
he didnt blast anyone...he said the dawkins move was retarded...and again it has nothing to do with talking bad about the eagles it has to do with them knowing they butchered the whole dawkins thing and now they are taking it out on people like this guy rather than looking in the mirror...and if your company would do the same then shame on them
Quote from: paco on March 09, 2009, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
so youre telling me if youre at a happy hour...a public setting...and you tell a coworker that your company is retarded that its acceptable to fire someone...maybe in the third reich not in america
Do you stretch every morning so you can reach that far?
Posting something in facebook is public domain and can be considered as published slander.
And yes, if I was at a bar, and clients were there, and I was blasting my firm, I'd be fired.
Ditto this whole post.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
he didnt blast anyone...he said the dawkins move was retarded...and again it has nothing to do with talking bad about the eagles it has to do with them knowing they butchered the whole dawkins thing and now they are taking it out on people like this guy rather than looking in the mirror...and if your company would do the same then shame on them
The Fed does it too, so you might want to give your myspace a quick once-over.
people get fired for a lot less.
other than the federal government, there is not a single employer in this country which would allow you to call them retarded in writing in a public forum.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2009, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
he didnt blast anyone...he said the dawkins move was retarded...and again it has nothing to do with talking bad about the eagles it has to do with them knowing they butchered the whole dawkins thing and now they are taking it out on people like this guy rather than looking in the mirror...and if your company would do the same then shame on them
The Fed does it too, so you might want to give your myspace a quick once-over.
no chance i could be fired for that...it almost impossible to be fired by the govt...theres really only two guarnteed ways
1. lie on your time sheet
2. violate the hatch act
i could walk outside to franklin square park on my lunch break and hold a one hour one man protest of the entire federal govt and they couldnt fire me
well, then IGY...you've just been schooled on how the real world works.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 09, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
people get fired for a lot less.
other than the federal government, there is not a single employer in this country which would allow you to call them retarded in writing in a public forum.
thats not true...theres tons of companies that could care less about it...like i said if this cat had written this about sean considine the eagles wouldnt have cared...this isnt about protecting the organization from slander or losing money because of his comment...its about the hypersensitivity they have over the dawkins fiasco
are there some companies that would...sure there is...are companies legally allowed to fire you...of course....(this is the defense the team will make if this blows up)...doesnt mean they arent gaping iceholes tho
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 11:37:50 AM
well, then IGY...you've just been schooled on how the real world works.
i worked in the private sector for 15 years before i got in the govt...trust me not all companies work like this
Dude, MOST companies...if they found out you blasted them (calling them retards, even worse) on a public forum, will fire your ass and fast. No warnings, nothing. Not sure why you are so offended by this.
The FO does PLENTY of actual shtein that is wrong. This is not one of them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:42:09 AM
thats not true...theres tons of companies that could care less about it...
then those companies really are retarded.
i'm not saying it's not a fleshpop move, especially with how much everyone hates them right now over the dawkins thing, but this is a non-story. its common sense.
igs, back in my retail days I created a web page on my college personal website talking about how stupid our customers were. Two days later I was called into the office and told to remove it or I'd be fired. If you represent a company, you can't write stuff that attacks them or misrepresents them on the internet. If this guy didn't work for the Eagles, he'd be no different from you and me. The Eagles aren't going after fans and asking them to remove their comments....
it's cold, it's petty, it's the Eagles, but it's something that would probably happen in any other job.
i got in trouble for simply listing my company on myspace profile and it was the 2nd thing that came up when people googled out company name, if it had been anybody other than me, they probably would've been gone...there was some not nice stuff on there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 09, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
igs, back in my retail days I created a web page on my college personal website talking about how stupid our customers were. Two days later I was called into the office and told to remove it or I'd be fired. If you represent a company, you can't write stuff that attacks them or misrepresents them on the internet. If this guy didn't work for the Eagles, he'd be no different from you and me. The Eagles aren't going after fans and asking them to remove their comments....
apples and prime meridians....you bash customers of a company youre potentially taking money out of your employers pockets...you should have been fired on the spot...yet you werent...thats what im talking about when say not all companies would do this...
also where did this cat misrepresent the eagles...you mean to say people might think they are literally retarded because of his comment?
Cocks.
It's the same reason why Spadaro doesn't say "I don't know what the F*** they're thinking" in his columns or MB responses. This guy, as insignificant as his job might be, was paid by the Eagles and made comments against them. He could've said it to his friends (if mummers have any outside their geek circle) or family and gotten away with it....but saying it on the internet is public domain and different.
Crips
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 09, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
It's the same reason why Spadaro doesn't say "I don't know what the F*** they're thinking" in his columns or MB responses. This guy, as insignificant as his job might be, was paid by the Eagles and made comments against them. He could've said it to his friends (if mummers have any outside their geek circle) or family and gotten away with it....but saying it on the internet is public domain and different.
you were going into the pockets of your own employer by sabotaging their customer base and you kept your job (so we know that all companies dont fire people for things much worse)...this cat made an off the cuff four word statement on a friggin myspace page about a move the team made and got fired
we know the eagles have the right to do what they did...we also know they they are raging semen swallowers for doing it...no question eagle employees have done much worse than this cat and kept their job...hell spadaro has criticized the team on wip worse than what this guy did
this has everything to do with the atmosphere that exists regarding dawk and nothing to do with this guy hurting the organization....it was petty bitter and childish and theres no (non legal) defense for it
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
he didnt blast anyone...he said the dawkins move was retarded...and again it has nothing to do with talking bad about the eagles it has to do with them knowing they butchered the whole dawkins thing and now they are taking it out on people like this guy rather than looking in the mirror...and if your company would do the same then shame on them
Quote"Dan is [expletive] devastated about Dawkins signing with Denver. . .Dam Eagles R Retarted!!"
Wrong. He publicly stated that his employer was "retarted" - on a public message forum that can be found and viewed by anyone with Google. This is absolutely a fireable offense. As GF said, everyone with half a brain should know you don't do that on the Internet.
no one said it wasnt fireable....try to keep up
kind of ironic that this dude is sir hops a lot around the stadium with short limbs and a fake hip and hes calling anybody "retarted" on message boards
more ironic than a dunce like you confusing the words retarded and handicapped?
If one doesn't know that this organization is tighter than a bulls ass in fly-time, they have not been paying attention. This outcome is not surprising. The employee is flat-out wrong, and the org is well within their rights to do do as they have done.
But....
The term was botched (if truly how it happened) - you NEVER term someone over the phone - how chicken shtein. For this offense a reprimand and double secret probation was perhaps warranted, but regardless it was the method of term that will bite the FO, and is indicative of their culture of arrogance, hubris and how little they value community PR. That the media wants to lever this is transparent as they will try to embarrass the FO any way they can - which is also understandable.
What will be interesting is if an attorney can be located who will try to advocate discrimination via the process of the term, particularly if the FO has been uneven in application of policy. If you are going to be a "hard-ass" enforcer of policy, it better be evenly applied to all employees in all circumstances.
I was termed over the phone from my last job. Yep.. chicken-shtein.
doesnt matter how they did it...they shouldnt have done it at all...make em take it down and move on...if its not referencing dawk thats what happens (if the comment is even found to begin with)
chicken shtein? no need or time for a sit down firing
unbelievable how some of you heads will blow this stuff up...he was a part time ticket counter for christs sakes not director of football operations
and im not buying this horseshtein story
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: paco on March 09, 2009, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
so youre telling me if youre at a happy hour...a public setting...and you tell a coworker that your company is retarded that its acceptable to fire someone...maybe in the third reich not in america
Do you stretch every morning so you can reach that far?
Posting something in facebook is public domain and can be considered as published slander.
And yes, if I was at a bar, and clients were there, and I was blasting my firm, I'd be fired.
Ditto this whole post.
Me three!!1
For the record, I was saying it was chicken-shtein when I was fired over the phone.
I don't blame the Eagles for firing this ass. It's called a life lesson. Don't be stupid or call your employer retarded on the Internet. Unless you're IGY and indispensable.
Quote from: reese125 on March 09, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
unbelievable how some of you heads will blow this stuff up...he was a part time ticket counter for christs sakes not director of football operations
just for the record the eagles fired their director of college scouting this offseason and replaced him with an H&R Block employee
Quote from: Father Demon on March 09, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
It's called a life lesson.
lol...the guy immediately acknowledged it was wrong...good ole joey banner teaching important life lessons to the people...im sure he was looking out for the guys best interests in teaching him this all important life lesson
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It was a rash, stupid thing to do, and Leone regretted it almost instantly.
"I shouldn't have put it up there," Leone said. "I was ticked off, and I let my emotions go, but I didn't offend any one person or target a specific individual. I was just upset that we lost such a great guy. Dawkins was one of my favorite players. I made a mistake."
Less than two days after posting the Dawkins remarks, Leone said, he was contacted by Leonard Bonacci, the team's director of event operations. According to Leone, Bonacci said they needed to talk about Leone's Facebook page, and Leone agreed. Leone - who deleted the comment - figured that the two would sit down and that he could apologize to Bonacci in person. But Leone said Bonacci never got back to him after that.
Two days later, Leone said, he received a call from Rachel Vitagliano, the team's guest services manager. Leone said she fired him over the phone. The conversation lasted less than 10 minutes.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 09, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
For the record, I was saying it was chicken-shtein when I was fired over the phone.
I don't blame the Eagles for firing this ass. It's called a life lesson. Don't be stupid or call your employer retarded on the Internet. Unless you're IGY and indispensable.
In the Navy you're allowed to bash the Navy as long as you're not on watch in the vicinity of the general public or a commissioned officer. They could give two shteins what you write about them on the internet. I could see the Eagles getting pissed off if one of their execs. wrote something like that but for a guying that's pulling minimum wage and was very good at his job to be fired while he's off duty is beyond stupid. This offseasons starting with the usual McNabb whinefest, then Dawk, then Banner on Eskin, the protesters outside Lurie's mansion and now this, has been a public relations disaster. They should get their shtein together and fast. Lurie's done a good job of shedding the cheap label and seperating himself from Braman, all this shtein is bringing back bad memories.
I bet he doesn't do it again. So, thank God for Banner.
When every move you make is fodder for public opinion, any term can be fraught with PR peril. One doesn't go out of their way to antagonize the public when revenue from both their discretionary income and their taxes is in play.
If it indeed did go down the way it is related, the FO should be made to squirm - especially given an employee who will engender amplified sympathy vis a vis disability. There are better ways that they could have handled it and to suggest otherwise show no understanding of the business of public relations.
Hubris. Arrogance. Unwavering conviction of being right. Worked out so well for the last administration, didn't it?
The Eagles have learned from history (ours, Hitlers, Soviets, Chinas governments) that if you crush all dissenters your opinion wins:sly
My textbook on leadership calls this "coercive" authority.
Needless to say, it is not indicative of a gold standard.
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QuoteAnd now Dan Leone sits at home, angry and hugging his keyboard.
Classic :-D
Oh for crying out loud, its on ESPN.com and they're talkign about it on channel 10 right now.
HUUUUGE ::) ::) ::)
If ANY of the clowns discussing this on the air right now did the same thing this guy did about THEIR employer, they'd be toast too.
Attention whores. All of them.
Its still bad PR and they went about it the wrong way.
This organization takes itself too seriously some times. What happened to a phone call saying "Hey, come on man. Get that shtein off your Facebook".
What I want to know is how they found out about it. Because I can totally see them having someone responsible for monitoring employees on-line accounts; that reeks of The Eagle Way.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
If ANY of the clowns discussing this on the air right now did the same thing this guy did about THEIR employer, they'd be toast too.
and their employers would look like aholes as well...but guess what most employers wouldnt fire someone over this...certainly not one in the public eye as much as the eagles and less than a week after coming off one of the worst PR moves in its history
the eagles have the right to do it and people have the right to call them out...you wanna be antagonistic in your face farg the world dickheads go right ahead...but people are gonna call you out for what youre...i hope this turns into a shteinstorm of epic proportions for banner
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
Oh for crying out loud, its on ESPN.com and they're talkign about it on channel 10 right now.
HUUUUGE ::) ::) ::)
If ANY of the clowns discussing this on the air right now did the same thing this guy did about THEIR employer, they'd be toast too.
Attention whores. All of them.
They just teased it for their 6pm SportsCenter...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 09, 2009, 05:04:53 PM
What I want to know is how they found out about it. Because I can totally see them having someone responsible for monitoring employees on-line accounts; that reeks of The Eagle Way.
BINGO
id like to know to...is this a normal thing they do...did one of this guys friends turn him in...would the eagles be monitoring this stuff if we werent in the wake of the dawk mess...come on baby give us some answers
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 09, 2009, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
Oh for crying out loud, its on ESPN.com and they're talkign about it on channel 10 right now.
HUUUUGE ::) ::) ::)
If ANY of the clowns discussing this on the air right now did the same thing this guy did about THEIR employer, they'd be toast too.
Attention whores. All of them.
They just teased it for their 6pm SportsCenter...
lol
BRING. IT. ON.
one of his guy friends? pretty sure hes friendless if hes going through this corny ass song and dance for publicity
I read through about a fifth of the article and most of the posts on the first page, and had enough.
Employment is "at will" in this country. Short of firing someone because she is black, gay, or crippled, employers can do whatever they want here.
And remember, employee unions are evil pinko America-haters.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 09, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
I read through about a fifth of the article and most of the posts on the first page, and had enough.
Employment is "at will" in this country. Short of firing someone because she is black, gay, or crippled, employers can do whatever they want here.
And remember, employee unions are evil pinko America-haters.
And apparently-at least acording to the CEO of Home Depot- will be responsible for the demise of civilization.
slow sports news day
Justified or not, it doesn't make the person who fired him any less deserving of being run over by a bus on her way to work tomorrow.
The Eagles should have taken the guy into a room, told him to take it down, and the story would be over. Now, instead the Eagles make a big deal about it, fire him, and look ridiculous all over the news. Gold Standard!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2009, 09:43:05 AM
munson should apply for his old job, it'd be a step up from Ravens beer man
I doubt I'd make as much money getting hourly wages from the cheap ass Eagles.
Nor would I get to work at the Preakness and Belmont again.
But, other than the Eagles higher ups being complete pricks just like most corporate whores of America, I don't see the big deal. We all know they're pricks, they know they're pricks, the fact that this thread has multiple pages just reeks of ES behavior. Caring about something that no one here really needs to care about.
People here care more about you than they do the cripple, Munson.
and they should
do you know what this site would be like without Munsons help
Cocks.
Quote from: Rome on March 09, 2009, 07:20:09 PM
People here care more about you than they do the cripple, Munson.
lets not go overboard
I bet I still would have gotten fired over my "what the farg eagles?" facebook status when Dawk signed with Denver.
Pricks.
can you get any dumber/trashier?
HTF did the Eagles find out he posted this in less than 2 days? That's the scarey part. They probably collect butt DNA samples off the seats of season ticket holders after the games. As for the crip, he's lucky he didn't get whacked.
Quote from: MDS on March 09, 2009, 09:41:06 PM
can you get any dumber/trashier?
Could you be any less original?
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Cripple Fight!
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 09, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
HTF did the Eagles find out he posted this in less than 2 days?
The same way every other employer does it.
Ha! Five pages over this crap. Leone is and idiot. That stupid sap would take his job back right now if it was offered to him. But yet, the philly media wants everyone to feel sorry for this dumbass.
Wait, I just got news that Joe Banner ran over a mouse on the way to work!! CALL PETA!
Can't imagine a lot of people would say no these days if they were offered back the job they were just fired from.
specially a crip who lost his dream job
To be fair, it is his fault for not aiming higher.
Quote from: shorebird on March 10, 2009, 06:16:23 AM
Ha! Five pages over this crap. Leone is and idiot.
irony
Quote from: paco on March 10, 2009, 08:16:20 AM
To be fair, it is his fault for not aiming higher.
hes an uneducated cripple who works (worked) three jobs...not sure what your point is anyway...he deserved to get fired because his occupation wasnt up to your standards?
It was a joke.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 10, 2009, 09:08:45 AM
It was a joke.
i dont get it....either it wasnt funny or im an idiot...or perhaps both
Let's move on.
Cocks.
i'm so happy that this story made the bottom line on espn all last night. the bad press this is creating is amazing.
The guy should have been fired when he missed the one game because of his Mummer duties.
yay 15 minutes
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he should have been fired for wearing that horrible jersey.
Im still trying to get past the fact he took a picture hugging his keyboard
Based on nothing other than his fat face I would guess that he has also eaten his fair share of babies.
OFFS ::)
supposedly the mummers are gonna protest down at the linc
Cocks.
Hugging the keyboard & wearing that zesty jersey is grounds for a whuppin'.
I'd say break his legs, but...
Where is this keyboard picture?
Somebody is not very good at internetting.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2009, 03:29:11 PM
supposedly the mummers are gonna protest down at the linc
Get yo' napalm ready
People gotta stop using their real names and primary emails on their facebook accounts.
I use names I get from email address of registered users here for all my anonymous rantings.
guy was on WIP this morning and said Dawk called him yesterday to apologize for losing his job and thanked him for looking out.
Dawk is just straight up class
If Dawk was real he would have paid this guy a couple year's salary because he's a great presence on game day.
edit title to include cancer patients
Quote
Former employee sues Eagles
By Vernon Clark
Inquirer Staff Writer
A former spokeswoman for the Eagles has filed a lawsuit against the team, contending she was discriminated against because of her sex and health.
Bonnie Grant, who was director of communications for the Eagles from October 2005 to October 2007, filed the suit Saturday in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia.
According to the lawsuit, the Eagles learned Grant had breast cancer through her work to raise awareness about the disease. Without elaborating, the suit adds that Grant then was subjected to "petty and unsupported discipline."
Grant complained that "similarly situated males" were not disciplined in the same manner, according to the suit, and that the Eagles took no steps to investigate or stop the discrimination and harassment.
The suit says that Grant asked to meet with the team's human-resources director and that the director canceled the scheduled meetings.
Grant was fired "summarily and without warning" and without cause Oct. 12, 2007, the suit contends.
Frank J. Conley, the attorney representing Grant, declined to comment or offer specifics on the case, saying the "lawsuit is a private matter."
The Eagles refused to pay Grant's severance, the lawsuit said. The team's action violated the Americans With Disabilities Act and laws against sexual harassment, the suit contends.
After her termination and without her consent, the team created an e-mail that was sent to anyone who e-mailed Grant, according to the suit. The e-mail indicated that Grant left the team "to pursue other interests."
"We do not comment on pending litigation, but we completely reject the claims . . .," the Eagles said in a statement. "There is no basis for the claims and we intend to fight them vigorously.
"Over the past five years, the Philadelphia Eagles organization has dedicated significant resources to fund the Tackling Breast Cancer (TBC) campaign. This campaign supports women and their families who are experiencing the challenges of learning about and managing the effects of breast cancer. Not only is our campaign geared to raise awareness among the general public and our fans, but it is also geared to - create sensitivity toward and compassion for - women who are going through this experience."
In addition to pain and suffering, Grant's lawsuit calls for the Eagles to pay her any benefits including salary, bonuses, insurance, and other costs.
wow Im shocked she would come out now to sue especially since....that....guy....just......
Will she settle for a gross of pink Dawkins jerseys?
you mean the pink jerseys that are supposed to raise awareness for breast cancer?
good to know you haven't lost it.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 26, 2009, 07:53:28 PM
Will she settle for a gross of pink Dawkins jerseys?
lol, and a few caps too
(oh Lord, I do apologize)
no need to apoligize. if there is a god, he's probably not listening anway.
Nah, we just get outprayed every NFCCG. Farging bible belt bastiches.
how farging great is dawk...great move helping the guy out and more importantly at the same time sticking it to banner and co...making sure this story doesnt go away and hopefully creating an even larger chasm btwn the fans and the front office
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Of course, Dawkins will be back at the Linc this season as a visitor, with the Broncos scheduled to play here at a date not yet announced. He said he has decided what he will do with the two tickets each visiting player gets for an away game. They won't go to a high school player this time, but to a former Eagles game-day employee, Dan Leone, who was fired by the team after he vented his displeasure over the Birds losing Dawkins to Denver on his Facebook page.
"I thought it'd be a good gesture,'' Dawkins said. "Had I not . . . signed with Denver, that guy would still have his job. Obviously, he made a decision and out of emotion said something. He was one of probably thousands and thousands of Eagles fans who felt that way. That didn't surprise me, that someone said that on their Facebook. It did surprise me that he was let go, though. That really did surprise me. I felt it would be a good thing, to reach out to that individual and just let him know how much I appreciate it.''
Awe, cute. He got over $3 million extra from signing in Denver and is going to give $200 worth of tickets to this guy.
completely missing the point
the shtein storm its gonna cost banner and co is priceless
i cant wait for the week before that game
How very passive aggressive of him. "Jesus will cry if I say curse words about the Eagles, so I'll give two tickets to somebody who did!" Where the farg are my tickets, Dawkins!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
completely missing the point
the shtein storm its gonna cost banner and co is priceless
i cant wait for the week before that game
No, I'm not missing the point. The point is that the whole situation is ghey. The guy's an idiot for posting that. He should have been fired. Any employer would do the same. Dawkins should have signed for less money if he really loved the team/town. The FO should have offered Dawkins more money if they really wanted him back.
Blah blah blah - We get it.
I see that guy every night at the Wachovia Center and chukle to myself every time I walk by him.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 03, 2009, 09:36:18 AM
I see that guy every night at the Wachovia Center and chukle to myself every time I do my best Jewish voice and tell him he's fired.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 03, 2009, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
completely missing the point
the shtein storm its gonna cost banner and co is priceless
i cant wait for the week before that game
No, I'm not missing the point. The point is that the whole situation is ghey. The guy's an idiot for posting that. He should have been fired. Any employer would do the same. Dawkins should have signed for less money if he really loved the team/town. The FO should have offered Dawkins more money if they really wanted him back.
Blah blah blah - We get it.
well you love banner so no you DONT get it...btwn dawk the employee and now this disgrace the team is trying to pull with the money they owe the city its a really bad year for you and your boys PR wise...then again you nor them care about how people feel just the bottom line
No, I completely get it, and I completely disagree with you idiots that think this is actually meaningful.
Dawkins took more money. Maybe he should be buying tickets for some needy families in Denver.
I hear the Ortons could use a few tickets now.
Good gesture by Dawk...but the guy has turned into an attention whore. But I do hope that the Eagles catch heat for every damn stupid thing they do.
This thread is worthless without pictures of Joe Banner eating babies.
How much do the Eagles still owe the city.. oh yeah 8 Million. Ed Snider is paying to keep every ice rink open in Philly out of his pocket. farg the Luries/Banner
Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2009, 10:11:31 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures of Joe Banner eating babies.
I only found his cereal
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Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2009, 10:11:31 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures of Joe Banner eating babies.
Paging Mad-Lad....
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 03, 2009, 10:12:06 AM
How much do the Eagles still owe the city.. oh yeah 8 Million. Ed Snider is paying to keep every ice rink open in Philly out of his pocket. farg the Luries/Banner
real talk
its absolutely incredible what they are trying to do...i dont rule out that someone in the street admin or even street himself verballed a deal...but the fact that they are going to go to court over it and try to get the deal validated is incredible...let it go pay what you really owe and move on...its staggering how much these people do not care one iota about anything cept their bottom line no matter how bad it makes them look or how wrong they are in what they are doing
the eagles have turned into the wal-mart of the nfl.
except without the old workers
maybe they can hire leone back and have him sit in a cripple mobile and greet people at the pepsi gate
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 03, 2009, 12:15:18 PM
except without the old workers
because they fire everyone in their mid 30's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
its absolutely incredible what they are trying to do...i dont rule out that someone in the street admin or even street himself verballed a deal...but the fact that they are going to go to court over it and try to get the deal validated is incredible...let it go pay what you really owe and move on...its staggering how much these people do not care one iota about anything cept their bottom line no matter how bad it makes them look or how wrong they are in what they are doing
That's the question, what do they really owe? They owed the city $8 million, but the Eagles said the city owed them $8 million for the canceled Ravens "bad turf" preseason game.
How do you lose $8 million for one preseason game?
Are that tying that to advertising, food, parking? I guess advertising $$ is the big one, both at the stadium and on the tele.
They cant make that much advertising for a farging preseason game
is it the city's responsibility to make sure that the field is ready?
It's my dong's. Sorry, he was busy for a change.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 03, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
is it the city's responsibility to make sure that the field is ready?
It was back then, since they owned the Vet.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 03, 2009, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
completely missing the point
the shtein storm its gonna cost banner and co is priceless
i cant wait for the week before that game
No, I'm not missing the point. The point is that the whole situation is ghey. The guy's an idiot for posting that. He should have been fired. Any employer would do the same. Dawkins should have signed for less money if he really loved the team/town. The FO should have offered Dawkins more money if they really wanted him back.
Blah blah blah - We get it.
Truer words have never been spoken.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20090507_Negadelphia_vs__the_Birds.html (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20090507_Negadelphia_vs__the_Birds.html)
QuoteThe Philadelphia Business Journal found the Eagles to be the No. 1 charity-giver in its revenue category in the region. Ticket prices have gone from third-highest in the NFL to 15th under this ownership. National recognition of "Go Green," the team's groundbreaking environmental initiative, the Eagles Youth Partnership, Tackling Breast Cancer and so many other charitable programs should count for something.
See - the Eagles aren't that mean
thats all christina and to a certain extent jeffy....they are great with charities and seem to be nice people
which makes the employment of banner inc. all the more puzzling
I take business courses and realize part of being a responsible business model in a large community is getting involved with charities and whatnot, but the 'Go Green' shtein is about as annoying as it gets. The last thing I want to hear or think about when I'm drunk and waiting for the game to start is a bunch of millionaire athletes telling me to recycle.
That's definitely not the last thing you want to hear or think about you big exaggerator.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2009, 01:44:46 PM
thats all christina and to a certain extent jeffy....they are great with charities and seem to be nice people
which makes the employment of banner inc. all the more puzzling
Lurie also seems to be staying put on the coaches pension plan madness that is developing now. No mention of the Eagles as a team who has stiffed the coaches or are planning to.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2009, 01:44:46 PM
thats all christina and to a certain extent jeffy....they are great with charities and seem to be nice people
which makes the employment of banner inc. all the more puzzling
Lurie also seems to be staying put on the coaches pension plan madness that is developing now. No mention of the Eagles as a team who has stiffed the coaches or are planning to.
what is this all about...ive heard nothing of it
Without knowing a thing about it, it sounds like more incentive for teams to keep hiring the same old recycled coaches over and over and over...
Good thing Jim Johnson decided to coach until he drops dead.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2009, 01:44:46 PM
thats all christina and to a certain extent jeffy....they are great with charities and seem to be nice people
which makes the employment of banner inc. all the more puzzling
Lurie also seems to be staying put on the coaches pension plan madness that is developing now. No mention of the Eagles as a team who has stiffed the coaches or are planning to.
what is this all about...ive heard nothing of it
QuoteSource: "There's No Doubt" The NFL Is Risking A Coaches Union
Posted by Mike Florio on May 7, 2009, 12:54 p.m.
In response to stories regarding the decision to allow teams to opt out of the league-run pension plan — and the decision of some teams to do just that — we suggested earlier today that this controversy could prompt the league's coaches to finally unionize.
As it currently exists, the NFL Coaches Association is just that: An association. It's not a union, and it has no ability to compel management to bargain regarding terms and conditions of employment.
The coaches long have resisted full-blown unionization, primarily out of concern that those who openly support the effort could be squandering their opportunities for advancement to one of the 32 jobs they all covet.
But the issue with the pension plan presto-change-o could provide the tipping point.
"There's no doubt" that the owners are risking an effort by the coaches to form a union, one league source told us.
The question ultimately will be whether enough of the teams do enough to motivate the coaches first to lay the foundation to force a union vote and then to cast a ballot in favor of the union.
For now, only nine of the teams have decided to pull out of the pension plan: the 49ers, Saints, Cardinals, Bills, Falcons, Cowboys, Texans, Jaguars, and Patriots. Whether that's enough to trigger widespread rancor remains to be seen.
But, as to the coaches of the affected teams, the rancor already is there. We've heard of at least one team whose assistant coaches walked off the job earlier this week, and later returned. Elsewhere, coaches are meeting privately to plot strategy.
As one source explained it, the timing of the decision to make these changes to the pension plan reflects the league's general brilliance. In response to assistant coaches carping about changes to pension plans that fewer and fewer American workers still enjoy, plenty of people will respond by advising the assistant coaches to be thankful they have jobs in the current economy.
And the league's response to possible resignations very well might be this: "If you want to quit, quit. We'll replace you in a heartbeat."
Another source thinks that the league could see union-organizing efforts not only from coaches, but also from scouts and related front-office personnel, many of whom work long hours for relatively modest salaries.
So stay tuned on this one. It won't affect what we see on the football field in September, but it definitely could have a huge impact on the manner in which the NFL does business.
QuoteCould Pension Plan Changes Trigger Unionization Of Coaches?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 7, 2009, 5:42 a.m.
Like the NFL's players, the NFL's coaches have an "association." Unlike the NFL's players, the NFL's coaches don't have a true union.
Yet.
Amid growing consternation regarding changes some teams are making in the wake of a March decision to allow the individual franchises to opt out of the league-run pension plan, unionization of the assistant coaches represents one of the potential logical outcomes.
Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported Tuesday night, and reiterated Wednesday night, that veteran Colts offensive line coach Howard Mudd plans to retire due to the situation, and that veteran Colts offensive coordinator Tom Moore could be next.
Also, Clark Judge of CBSSports.com reports that a memo circulated among coaches on Wednesday lists the teams that already have decided to pull out of the league-run pension plan: the 49ers, Saints, Cardinals, Bills, Falcons, Cowboys, Texans, and Patriots. (Judge points out that, per Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com, the Jaguars will follow suit.)
Judge also reports that 17 of the teams have decided to keep their current plans in place, and that seven (the Dolphins, Vikings, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, and Bucs) are contemplating the situation.
Judge says that one team's assistant coaches are contemplating a full-squad resignaton. Another team's assistants might walk out for a day.
That's the kind of talk that reflects the kind of thinking that results in the formation of the kind of thing known under federal law as a union.
There's a belief that the adjustment to the pension plans constitutes one piece of the league's broader effort to persuade the NFLPA that, financially, the league isn't thriving. The obvious goal? To persuade the players that the current labor deal must change.
As we previously have pointed out, the broader strategy to plan for a potential work stoppage in 2011 also includes contracts for assistant coaches that primarily if not uniformly expire after the 2010 season, putting assistant coaches at risk of having no income while the teams and the players work out their differences.
So, by potentially making the assistant coaches pawns in a broader effort to do battle with the players' union, the league could be forced ultimately to deal with yet another union representing a subset of its employees.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Best_organizations_Eagles_Lurie_rank_4th.html
QuoteSaturday, May 9, 2009
Best organizations: Eagles, Lurie rank 4th
An item we've been meaning to get to for a few weeks here at MTC.
Robert Boland of the National Football Post ranked the best and worst organizations in the NFL.
The rankings are not based only on winning, or only on financial success, but rather what Boland calls "organizational symmetry."
Boland explains organizational symmetry as this:
It is the recognition that running a professional sports team has three distinct dimensions that are not always interrelated and are sometimes actually in conflict. The three dimensions involved in running a professional sports team are maximizing revenue (business), managing the sports product (team) and maintaining a compact with the customers (fans).
So the obvious question is: Where do the Eagles rank?
Boland has Jeffrey Lurie and the Birds fourth, behind the Steelers, Giants and Patriots, three teams that have won Super Bowls this decade.
The Eagles are the only team in the top 10 that has not won a Super Bowl since 1996.
Here's Boland's justification of the No. 4 ranking:
These are the good old days for Eagles fans. And while the uniforms don't hold a candle to the old Bednarik-issue green and silver ones, the Eagles organization has been one of the most innovative in the NFL for a decade. It is also a decade that has seen Philadelphia build a successful new stadium and training complex and show incredible organizational discipline behind president Joe Banner, GM Tom Heckert and coach Andy Reid.
Two innovations the Eagles can take credit for are the practice of successfully extending young players' contracts before they're eligible for free agency, establishing low cost roster stability, and feasting off the free-agent mistakes other teams have made in overvaluing players, especially Eagles players. While the Eagles have no championships to show for Lurie's tenure, they have an enviable run and organizational stability.
So what do you think? Do you agree with Boland's ranking for the Birds?
Click here for the complete list.
QuoteSaturday, May 9, 2009
Best organizations: Eagles, Lurie rank 4th
An item we've been meaning to get to for a few weeks here at MTC.
Robert Boland of the National Football Post ranked the best and worst organizations in the NFL.
The rankings are not based only on winning, or only on financial success, but rather what Boland calls "organizational symmetry."
Boland explains organizational symmetry as this:
It is the recognition that running a professional sports team has three distinct dimensions that are not always interrelated and are sometimes actually in conflict. The three dimensions involved in running a professional sports team are maximizing revenue (business), managing the sports product (team) and maintaining a compact with the customers (fans).
So the obvious question is: Where do the Eagles rank?
Boland has Jeffrey Lurie and the Birds fourth, behind the Steelers, Giants and Patriots, three teams that have won Super Bowls this decade.
The Eagles are the only team in the top 10 that has not won a Super Bowl ever.
Here's Boland's justification of the No. 4 ranking:
These are the good old days for Eagles fans. And while the uniforms don't hold a candle to the old Bednarik-issue green and silver ones, the Eagles organization has been one of the most innovative in the NFL for a decade. It is also a decade that has seen Philadelphia build a successful new stadium and training complex and show incredible organizational discipline behind president Joe Banner, GM Tom Heckert and coach Andy Reid.
Two innovations the Eagles can take credit for are the practice of successfully extending young players' contracts before they're eligible for free agency, establishing low cost roster stability, and feasting off the free-agent mistakes other teams have made in overvaluing players, especially Eagles players. While the Eagles have no championships to show for Lurie's tenure, they have an enviable run and organizational stability.
So what do you think? Do you agree with Boland's ranking for the Birds?
Click here for the complete list.
ftfy
Oh boy...
1960 is the new 1983
Championships won prior to 1966 don't count despite the fact that the NFL's been in existence since 1920 and the Eagles have had a franchise since 1933.
Either way, the Eagles haven't won shtein in my lifetime.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 09, 2009, 12:45:32 PM
Either way, the Eagles haven't won shtein in my lifetime.
It's not their fault you're too young
I yanked a grey hair out of my beard yesterday.
Huh, never pegged you for superficial vanity.
I probably wouldn't have noticed it, had my mom not danced around and sang "You've got a grey hair, you're getting oooold." Happy Mother's Day indeed.
It's good to know your mom never completely gave up "dancing" though