theres no one to blame...
when the game ended i was furious beyond belief and per usual i looked to blame andy...cant really do it
then of course akers....but cant really do that either...at least not fully
the defense....not totally
theres like 50 different players coaches units i can put a little part of it on but thats not enough...i need to slaughter someone
so help me out
im not going thru the game thread...
so please post in here the one single primary reason they lost
mine is warner > mcnabb
strip away jim johnson getting his farging ass outcoached and the horrendous demps penalty and the linebackers embarrassing showing and assante samuels disappearing act it really comes down to their qb was better than the eagles qb...does it not?
when I keep thinking of this loss its not the dropped passes, or the could of been TD catches missed by McNabb or the missed FG and XP by Akers-- all I keep picturing is the defense getting shreaded drive after drive after drive after drive
defense out-coached..period
the cardinals really did have a great game plan...but it was so obvious after like the third drive...and really it was simple i dont know why other teams havent done it before against jj's blitz...three step drop and pop a rb/wr/te into the flat vacated by the blitzing lb/s/cb
thats bein said the defense played well once they switched their scheme up in the second half so i dont know that i can piun it on them
to me it was all about kurt warner a two time league mvp outplaying mcnabb and making plays when he most needed to...something the eagle qb didnt and has never been able to do
7:53 4th quarter drive--god I would pay big money to see an eagles qb do that some day
I'll take McNabb over Warner all day long.
I put most of the blame on the defense and Jim Johnson. Once you get up 25-24 the first half is irrelevant. You have the lead, now go make some plays. They let the Cardinals march right down.
Jim Johnson is responsible for Demps playing over Lito. Stupid. Lito is a player, I don't care what he did this year. He makes big plays in big moments.
youll take nfc championship game losses over superbowls then
McNabb will finish his career with more Superbowl victories than Warner. Warner will finish with 1, because they are not beating the Steelers.
Quote from: King Cole on January 19, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
McNabb will finish his career with more Superbowl victories than Warner. Warner will finish with 1, because they are not beating the Steelers.
You are a farging idiot.
That's ok. You'll just hide to avoid eating crow when I'm right and rub it in as usual.
The worst part of that game (and the two that preceded it) are, as RJS pointed out, the Birds won't fire Reid this year. Short of a SB victory, this was inevitable, and horrendous.
Quote from: King Cole on January 19, 2009, 07:42:09 PM
That's ok. You'll just hide to avoid eating crow when I'm right and rub it in as usual.
That would take a minimum of two more years. During that time its very likely you'll have killed yourself, thinking you were being threatened by another male when in fact you were just looking at a mirror.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwhnHK_3jss
look at this "celebration." andy should be killed for losing to this team. what a joke.
Quote from: MDS on January 20, 2009, 12:29:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwhnHK_3jss
look at this "celebration." andy should be killed for losing to this team. what a joke.
Sad thing is 95% of that crowd just started following the Cardinals last weekend.
Answering your question, the defense was the worst part. When we needed them most, the Cards drove it right down their throats.
Not just that drive but allowing 24 points in the first half was a travesty.
Quote from: King Cole on January 19, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
McNabb will finish his career with more Superbowl victories than Warner. Warner will finish with 1, because they are not beating the Steelers.
OK, will that be with the birds or another NFL team?
Oh, the Eagles, obviously. Clearly, this is a team on the rise!
Quote from: Don Ho on January 20, 2009, 03:50:45 AM
Quote from: King Cole on January 19, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
McNabb will finish his career with more Superbowl victories than Warner. Warner will finish with 1, because they are not beating the Steelers.
OK, will that be with the birds or another NFL team?
Chicago. :paranoid
My worst memory of the game is going to be allowing a 14-play time eating drive late in the 4th quarter, mostly on the ground.
I was listening to ESPN radio, and Mike & Mike were talking about how the Cards were last in the run during the regular season, and didn't have a good AVG per carry in the playoffs, but ran the ball
28 times per game, allowing the play action passing to work great because the defense had to respect the run.
Andy? Hello? Andy?
:boom
To me it was the defense. I know those 4-5 bad throws per game by McNabb. Every game he has those and on some of them he even completed the passes thanks incredible catches by some of the WRs...but the defense just getting run over like that I did not expect and was the worst part of the game.
They made no adjustments until it was already 24-6 at halftime and then in the fourth qrt when it mattered most they folded up once again. 3 long time consuming drives by a quick striking offense. Even their running game was seemingly picking up 4-5 yards per rush. Warner had time to throw and when he did not he found the hot read always. They had the better game plan, execution, and toyed around with the defense...something I just did not see coming.
The defense was by far the worst part of the game overall. But actually, the worst individual moment of the game was the instant the Cards scored in the 4th. Is there anyone anywhere who thought for a single second that McNabb had the intestinal fortitude to lead a last-minute game-tying drive? Everyone knew the game was over as soon as they scored.
I put most of the blame on JJ's first half defense. He played scared and it showed, I know you don't want to give up the long ball but having the CBs play 5-10 yards off and letting receivers run underneath with plenty of space was just flat out dumb. If you needed any further proof as to why the Eagles D could suddenly shut the Giants O down without Plax look no further than this game. They needed to smack Warner and the Cards O in the mouth from the get go and not worry so much about the long ball.
I'm over it I don't care. I will never have hope for this team until Andy Reid is gone.
I give the Fitz a lot more credit then Warner. That guy's unstoppable. It would take half the defense to bring him down on some plays. He totally killed the Eagles defense and they never reacted to it. How many freaking times was he one on one or in the seams somewhere. Ryan freaking Leaf would look like a stud QB throwing to that guy.
The Eagles loss hangs on the fact that they did not have an answer for Larry Fitzgerald.
The main culprit was the defense. Minus that 3rd quarter when they turned up the blitz pressure, they were nonexistent. The schematic mistakes were glaring, none more than the failure to double team and jam the shtein out of Larry Fitz.
Are you kidding me with that shtein? They were giving the guy free releases most of the time. They opted to play coverage until it was too late; when it was 24-6 they decided to blitz and get pressure.
Also, the FG before the half pissed me off too. They gave up 11 or so yards and let them into FG position.
McNabb has his hand in the loss. His inaccuracy for the first half cost them. But the main blame lies at the feet of the defense.
Because when it comes down to it, McNabb gave them a lead. I though they were going to force OT. I had a feeling when Westbrook went for 19yds that they would drive. And if Curtis catches that ball, I think they tie it.
farg, I'm still mad.
the reason i cant 100% blame the d is because it was more a case of being outcoached than outplayed...the cardinals defense gave up more yards more first downs and the eagles were 50% on third down conversions...
it really is a weird situation in that theres nothing to fully blame and its so frustrating...but in the end what it comes down to is their qb made more plays than the eagles qb...especially with the game on the line
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
The defense was by far the worst part of the game overall. But actually, the worst individual moment of the game was the instant the Cards scored in the 4th. Is there anyone anywhere who thought for a single second that McNabb had the intestinal fortitude to lead a last-minute game-typing drive? Everyone knew the game was over as soon as they scored.
This to me was the worst moment. Knowing for a fact that McNabb does not have it in him to lead a team in that situation.
A receiver like Larry Fitzgerald comes around maybe twice a decade.
Warner outplayed McNabb, but the difference in the game was that the players and the scheme were not prepared for Fitzgerald.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
The defense was by far the worst part of the game overall. But actually, the worst individual moment of the game was the instant the Cards scored in the 4th. Is there anyone anywhere who thought for a single second that McNabb had the intestinal fortitude to lead a last-minute game-typing drive? Everyone knew the game was over as soon as they scored.
This to me was the worst moment. Knowing for a fact that McNabb does not have it in him to lead a team in that situation.
This drives me insane. Why do people say this as fact? They had a lead in the 4th quarter. McNabb brought them back from an 18pt deficit and they were ahead.
So because the defense gave it up like a chick on prom night, and left them with hardly no time, he cannot take them down the field?
They were across the 50 when Curtis got PI'd and had the ball clang off his hands.
Honestly, I lost hope as soon as the Cardinals made the 2-pointer. If the Eagles could have gone down the field to WIN the game, I thought it was going to happen. Going to tie it and force OT just wasn't going to happen.
Not sure why, but that's where I was.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2009, 12:08:27 PM
This drives me insane. Why do people say this as fact? They had a lead in the 4th quarter. McNabb brought them back from an 18pt deficit and they were ahead.
When was the last time McNabb drove the team down the field with less than 4 minutes on the clock and won the game? 2002? 2003?
Super Bowl in 2005
Last Sunday
Chicago game this year
2nd taterskins game this year
Thats just off the top of my head.
phreak, you can't honestly call the td pass to jackson with more than half the quarter left the same thing as getting ball back with 2 min to go and having to score...
Why does it have to be the "same" thing?
Sure I can. They fought back from a big deficit and had the lead. To start off slow and to fight back was good. If the defense stops them, the Eagles get the ball back and go into clock control and win.
I do not have a list of have and have not's in my memory, BB. But I do think the "fact" put out there is nothing more than an exaggeration.
phreak is a mcnabb apologist
the guy will get you scores like the jackson one. but he will never lead that drive. he blew it against st lou, tampa, new england and now zona. 4 chances to do it and he failed.
the worst part is mcnabb convinced himself that if he got a lead that was it. so when the defense gave it back he basically said "thats not part of the deal," like he was being asked to do too much to lead another drive. most qbs simply pick up their helmet, head to the field and say ok were gonna answer back. but donovan did so with his eyes rolled, acting like too much was being asked of him.
yes talent wise he is one of the 10 best qbs in the nfl but mentally he is weaker than a 13 year long island jew girl. he will never happy here and he will never win here. farg him.
Quote from: MDS on January 20, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
yes talent wise he is one of the 10 best qbs in the nfl but mentally he is weaker than a 13 year long island jew girl. he will never happy here and he will never win here.
Not sure I can disagree with this. Although, I know precisely zero 13-year-old LI Jew girls... I'll just have to take your word on that one.
his game winning drive days ended when he stopped running...hes not clutch or accurate enough to lead a drive like kurt warner did the other day
when he ran that would bail him out a lot...now that that threat is gone and he has to rely on his arm he cant do it
he still can run. not as well as he used to, but he is so out to prove thats hes a good qb that he doesnt want to run. and when you care more about proving people wrong than winning games you are donovan mcnabb.
The reason they lost this game is because Tampa Bay choked on Oakland. They lost this game because Plaxico was out. They lost because of a poor Vikings team, which a better team would have blown-out. The reasons why they didn't belong in this game were exactly the reasons it was lost.
They were clearly ill-prepared for this game. Out coached, and possibly just plain tired. Talent issues exposed once again.
They are not, and have never been, known as a late game comeback group. Overcoming an early mistake or even two, maybe, but not the magnitude they biffed it early on Sunday. Downhill is their best mode of winning. They got jumped-on big time and never recovered - temporary later lead notwithstanding.
Finally, as well mentioned, plenty of blame to go around. But as importantly, no one, absolutely no one, had the leadership desire, skill or sense of the moment to take over the game and ensure the late win.
And that is precisely the "Cap'n Andy" problem - his self-love of his precious system over securing the right players.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 20, 2009, 11:51:43 AM
A receiver like Larry Fitzgerald comes around maybe twice a decade.
Warner outplayed McNabb, but the difference in the game was that the players and the scheme were not prepared for Fitzgerald.
True, I remember hearing after the game that Fitzgerald already broke Jerry Rice's postseason yardage record, and they haven't played the Super Bowl yet.
Rare company there.
Rice probably didn't have to play in the Wild Card round, but still...
After watching the Carolina/Arizona game, I thought it would be easy to stop the Cardinals. All they had to do was triple Fitzgerald. It turns out that the Cardinals ran the ball and protected Warner well enough to force the Eagles to keep people closer to the line, and we all saw the result. Except Dio.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
Is there anyone anywhere who thought for a single second that McNabb had the intestinal fortitude to lead a last-minute game-typing drive? Everyone knew the game was over as soon as they scored.
Absolutely. Even if they (Cards) had made a go ahead field goal I had even less faith in Akers.
It was the Defense - no question about it. You can argue whether it was the players or the scheme, but...
- Eagles O had no 3 and outs (one if you count the INT) in the first half - the D wasn't tired
- Eagles D had one 3 and out in the first half, and gave up points on the other 4 drives (3 TD, 1 FG).
- Eagles O put up more than 21 points
- Eagles D gave up more than 20
JJ himself has said that the Defense's job is to keep the other team below 20 points. His target is 17 ppg. Like it or not, McNabb and Reid are not going to get you a last minute win - they did their job against the Cards, but the D didn't close the deal.
This season:
Opp <= 20 points: 10-1-1
Opp > 20 points: 1-6
Not all of those loses are on the D - sometimes the O couldn't keep the D off the field, but that is about as strong a trend as you can find.
cardinals were the third highest scoring team in the nfl...did you really think this defense was gonna shut them down...and even at that the eagles defense was better in every category except pts...basically what it came down to was the eagles inability to get in the end zone in the first half and come up with the last score...team that scored last was gonna win that game...and as usual on the biggest stages the qb the eagles are playing gets the job done while their qb doesnt
No not shut them down but 32 pts? Are you kidding me? And not even off of turnovers like they did against the Panthers. I dont even think they put up that much against the Falcons defense.
If you told me going into the game that the Eagles offense would score 2 FGs and 3TDS...meaning 27 pts I would have told you that the game would have been easily won by the Eagles. I did not expect the defense to hold them to say 10-14 pts but not 32. Some of those drives were not even quick strikes. In fact they used basically only one trick play on that 2nd score. All other scoring drives were slow methodical drives which kept the D on the field for 6-8 minutes. Even when the Eagles D would get them into a 3rd and long they would convert.
Eagles D was, or supposedly was, the best D they had faced so far in the playoffs yet it played the worst out of all the defenses they played so far.
Even then after the Eagles got the lead I just expected the defense to force a punt or turnover.
Oh and lets not forget the running game they gave up. So many missed tackles on runs that should have been no gains or 2 yr gains and ended up being 5-6 yd gains. The defense really failed in all phases. Zero turnoevrs, couldnt stop the run, couldnt stop the pass, and could not pressure the QB.
cardinals had 100 yards rushing eagles had 97
and the eagles supposedly had one of the best d's in the league but the cardinals supposedly had one of the best offenses in the league...what makes you think the eagles defense was so great but the cardinals offense wasnt
going into the game is was pretty obvious this was a 35-28 or 34-31 game...i didnt really hear anyone not think lots of pts were going up...and in games like that its usually the last team to score wins and its almost always the better qb that wins
im certainly not putting it all on mcnabb...i dont discount the fact that the cardinals have two number one wr's and the eagles have none...but in the end the both teams had the ball where they should want it...in their respective qb's hands to win the game...one guy drove down the field and scored and the other guy didnt...and really thats the game in a nutshell and unless youre a mcnabb fan boy i dont really see how you can view it any other way
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
going into the game is was pretty obvious this was a 35-28 or 34-31 game...i didnt really hear anyone not think lots of pts were going up...and in games like that its usually the last team to score wins and its almost always the better qb that wins
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2009, 12:12:11 AM
the cardinals are worse than minnesota in 04...there isnt even a small chance the eagles lose next week...the nfl sucks the nfc sucks and the farging arizona cardinals suck
So, the Cards suck and there was no chance they would win a shootout with a MOV of one score? Convenient you didn't pick a score for this mortal lock.
Quite simply, they Eagles are not designed to win a shootout. The numbers show it - they are designed to put up ~25 points and hold the other team to ~20. We all know that Reid is not a brilliant in-game strategist, and that McNabb isn't going to march the team down the field for a last second victory. If that makes the Cards the better team, so be it.
going back and finding jinxy's predictions are irrelevant cerevant..you know that by now
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
cardinals had 100 yards rushing eagles had 97
and the eagles supposedly had one of the best d's in the league but the cardinals supposedly had one of the best offenses in the league...what makes you think the eagles defense was so great but the cardinals offense wasnt
going into the game is was pretty obvious this was a 35-28 or 34-31 game...i didnt really hear anyone not think lots of pts were going up...and in games like that its usually the last team to score wins and its almost always the better qb that wins
im certainly not putting it all on mcnabb...i dont discount the fact that the cardinals have two number one wr's and the eagles have none...but in the end the both teams had the ball where they should want it...in their respective qb's hands to win the game...one guy drove down the field and scored and the other guy didnt...and really thats the game in a nutshell and unless youre a mcnabb fan boy i dont really see how you can view it any other way
But i heard the Eagles D was better than Pittsburgh and Baltimore?
I think the main reason the Eagles lost is because Fitz was a man among boys out there. He can't be covered one on one or tackled one on one. I can't count the times Dawk's helmet bounced off him and he just kept going. He used and abused the Eagles defense. The linebackers might as well not have even been on the field. That, and the fact that he had a qb that hit him in the numbers on the run every friggen' time.
But, who is to blame for the Eagles D looking so awful? Doesn't the head coach have to take the blame for that?? J.J. takes some blame for shore, but this is Reid's team, Reid's game plan.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 21, 2009, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
cardinals had 100 yards rushing eagles had 97
and the eagles supposedly had one of the best d's in the league but the cardinals supposedly had one of the best offenses in the league...what makes you think the eagles defense was so great but the cardinals offense wasnt
going into the game is was pretty obvious this was a 35-28 or 34-31 game...i didnt really hear anyone not think lots of pts were going up...and in games like that its usually the last team to score wins and its almost always the better qb that wins
im certainly not putting it all on mcnabb...i dont discount the fact that the cardinals have two number one wr's and the eagles have none...but in the end the both teams had the ball where they should want it...in their respective qb's hands to win the game...one guy drove down the field and scored and the other guy didnt...and really thats the game in a nutshell and unless youre a mcnabb fan boy i dont really see how you can view it any other way
But i heard the Eagles D was better than Pittsburgh and Baltimore?
lol...i saw someone on this board have the nerve to mention it with the gang green defenses...then these same people want better de's and linebackers the minue they lose...like the players they have now werent on the team before the cardinal game
defense was gonna get scored on by the cardinals that was a given...but the fact that the offene went a whole half without putting up a td against that disgrace of a cardinal d is what cost them the game...and of course the performance in the clutch but that was expected...eagles should have won this game like 44-25
Cardinals have a deadly offense yes. But coming into the game the Eagles defense had played its best stretch of 5-6 games since Reid and JJ came here.
And you expected a shootout with both teams scoring into the 30s. I knew the team would not hold them to 10 pts like I said but 32 PTS? I expect a good defense to always be more reliable than a good offense. I do not expect a good defense to give up more than the Falcons or the Panthers did. The Panthers basically handed the ball over and over to the Cards D. The Eagles had two turnovers, one which did not matter since the Eagles got it right back.
Again if you told me going into the game offense scores 3 tds and 2 fgs I would have bet my life they would come out with a victory. I expect the 3-5 bad throws by McNabb. I expect the lack of running game, disappearing of Westbrook, some drops that make you scratch your head, but I really did not see the defense playing as poorly as they did. Or when they were so poor to not have made any adjustments or come up big when the game was in their hands. Cause more of then that not this season, esp at the end, they have been the consistent unit.
ive seen the eagles front seven and ive seen the cardinals offense and i expected the cardinals to put up three or four td's at home without much of a problem...granted i also expected the birds defense to force a turnover or two that would lead to a score...but what i really didnt expect was for the offense to put up 6 pts in the first 30 minutes...game was over right then
Thats the story of the Eagles offense for the past two seasons. Missed red zone opportunities and settling for FGs.
When on that first drive they kicked the FG I was still relatively at ease cause in my mind I thought the defense would come out, with some tweaks, and force the Cards into punting or making a huge mistake. Did not happen.
I also did not expect the defense to miss so many tackles. Most of the time they seemed to be going for the big hit and not wrapping up. Frikin Edge ran over some of these bums.
On a slightly less worst part of the game note...I def did not expect Akers to miss a extra pt, miss a FG in a dome when he hit the previous one down the middle and with tons of leg, and then kick off out of bounds.
agree on akers
bottom line is that it was a collective effort but i need one thing to blame in order to make myself feel better about the loss and blaming the disparity in the two teams qb position has done that for me
As long as being wrong doesn't ruin your party, enjoy.
being wrong is a party compared to the eagles choking again
I want to blame someone too and I guess for individual performance McNabb gets it for the last drive alone but I dont even know if that satisfies me.
I am just so tired of blaming someone or finding a way to make myself feel better.
Would have been better to just lose to the far superior Giants team. At least then it would have been reasonable, expected, and a wake up call to Reid to change somethings around. Getting this far changes nothing and makes the loss that much worse.
ANDY REID.
3 things that immediately come to mind.
1. this team came out flat as shtein again. Reids the coach, his problem, end of story.
2. Horrifying play calling such as follows:
1-10-ARI 19 (10:33) 28-C.Buckhalter up the middle to ARI 13 for 6 yards (97-B.Robinson).
2-4-ARI 13 (9:50) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short left to 83-G.Lewis to ARI 15 for -2 yards (21-A.Rolle).
3-6-ARI 15 (9:10) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to 81-J.Avant.
4-6-ARI 15 (9:05) 2-D.Akers 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, Holder-6-S.Rocca.
3. 47 pass attempts, 18 rushing attempts.
Yea Reid did do a great job of not calling 2 running plays in a row even if the first one resulted in good yardage.
Marty has been doing the playcalls, fire his ass and get me Gruden
Fire Reid and get Shanahan. That man loves to run the ball.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
ive seen the eagles front seven and ive seen the cardinals offense and i expected the cardinals to put up three or four td's at home without much of a problem...granted i also expected the birds defense to force a turnover or two that would lead to a score...but what i really didnt expect was for the offense to put up 6 pts in the first 30 minutes...game was over right then
There's no way you believed this and at the same time thought "there's no way the Eagles lose this game."
You COULDN'T have considered the game to be a lock if you expected the Cards to put up 21-28 points. This is the NFL, dog... that amount of points WINS the game for you more times than not.
If there was "no chance" to lose, then you mean to tell me that you were expecting McNabb and this inconsistent ass offense to put up 4-5 TD's? Like that just happens all the time? Come on, IG's... you can't really believe that. Hell, they had only 3 offensive TD's
in the playoffs up to that point.
Bottom line, man... McNabb and the offense put up 25 points. No matter how good or bad they looked doing it, they put up 25 points. That should be enough to win the game... especially the way the defense had been playing over the last 6-7 weeks. The defense didn't just struggle with a top offense of the Cards. They never even showed up. There's a difference.
I would've LOVED it if McNabb would've led that final drive for the game-tying TD... for so many reasons. But this game was not lost in the last 3 minutes. 32 points is way too many points to give up if you're expecting to win a game anywhere... let alone on the road.
i expected the eagles to drop in the forty range so yes i could have believed that
and mcnabb failed in two huge areas...
1) when warner and his team came out blazing mcnabb couldnt match and dropped 6 pts in the first half
2) when warner came up with the biggest drive in cardinals history mcnabb had a chance to come up with the biggest drive in his history...FAIL
blame the d...blame akers...blame reid...blame demps...all would legitimate complaints...but when you strip the game down to bare bones the cardinals qb got it done and the eagles qb didnt
Again... in the NFL, you "expected" a team to score 40 or more points... on the road... in the playoffs... during the NFC Championship Game?
The word "unrealistic" comes to mind, but whatever man... do you.
they played a 9 win cardinal team who a month earlier got 48 dropped on them by the birds and on the year had given up over 400 pts in a disgustingly bad division...thinking the eagles could put up 40 on them was not a reach at all..and in fact they should have
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 11:33:25 AM
they played a 9 win cardinal team who a month earlier got 48 dropped on them by the birds and on the year had given up over 400 pts in a disgustingly bad division...thinking the eagles could put up 40 on them was not a reach at all..and in fact they should have
Only if they wanted to win the game, which clearly they didn't.
that was probably their first mistake
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 11:33:25 AM
they played a 9 win cardinal team who a month earlier got 48 dropped on them by the birds and on the year had given up over 400 pts in a disgustingly bad division...thinking the eagles could put up 40 on them was not a reach at all..and in fact they should have
cept that was about 3 months ago and we all know they did not bother to show up for that game. in fact if you looked at the past three games they played you would have seen a better defense and offense.
that game meant nothing. it was on a 3 day rest and they had to travel back to the east coast. they dont play well away from home.
you expecting the eagles to score 40 something is your way of trying to dance around your "lock win" statement.
i certainly did not expect the defense to give up 32 pts.
if i was throwing out some totally unrealistic shtein like i expected mcnabb to come up with a game winning clutch drive in the nfc championship game then i would be trying to "dance"...i said all week they would trounce the cardinals and i fully expected them to...and to trounce someone you generally have to score lots of pts
if the offense had merely played two halfs rather than one they easily score 40
and the cardinal defense sucks...to try and revisit history by saying they were different last week than in nov and december is a cop out...their front seven is an embarrassment...the amount of time mcnabb had to throw on sunday was incredible...and the secondary is subpar as well
Get your heart broke in NFC rd or Superbowl... Doesn't matter. Who thinks they could beat the Steeelers again the way Polamalu/etc is playing?
McNabb v Warner 1 Eagles lead until Buck goes down. Warner has Holt,Bruce,Faulk.
McNabb v Warner 2 Eagles come back to late, Westbrook is a shell. Warner has Fitz,Boldin,Edge.
Comparing the arsenals at each QBs disposal plus the coaches gameplanning McNabb seems at a disadvantage, but go ahead and slobber at the unit of guy who goes from GroceryStore to HOF to Goat to Backup to HOF again.
Quote from: RezRob on January 23, 2009, 03:42:21 PM
McNabb v Warner 1 Eagles lead until Buck goes down. Warner has Holt,Bruce,Faulk.
McNabb v Warner 2 Eagles come back to late, Westbrook is a shell. Warner has Fitz,Boldin,Edge.
1 McNabb has Pinky, Thrash, Duce (Buck busted knee chapter 1)
2 McNabb has Curtis, Jackson, Avant, Baskett, Westbrook (barely)
Good god. It's a miracle the birds got that far both years.
Agreed on the Steelers comment. Steelers D is playing out of their minds and the offense is healthy with the exception of Ward. Polomalu = Fitzgerald.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 23, 2009, 03:58:22 PM
Agreed on the Steelers comment. Steelers D is playing out of their minds and the offense is healthy with the exception of Ward. Polomalu = Fitzgerald.
I want to see someone, like Polomalu, lay the wood to Fitz and see what happens. I want to see someone actually make a tackle on him, see if he's really as good as the Eagles made him look or if he really can be brought down one on one. The Steelers D is as good a test as he'll get.
fitzgerald is that good and more...probably the best wr in the nfl...youre acting like the game against the eagles was a fluke and the only good game hes ever had
When was the last game he had when he scored three td's in the first half?
huh?
so youre waiting to see if he can score three touchdowns in the first half of the superbowl and if he doesnt hes overrated...newsflash: if he has zero catches in the superbowl hes still arguably the best wr in the nfl
No. Were did I say he was overated or that his preformance was a fluke?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
huh?
so youre waiting to see if he can score three touchdowns in the first half of the superbowl and if he doesnt hes overrated...newsflash: if he has zero catches in the superbowl hes still arguably the best wr in the nfl
What the farg do you mean, huh?? It was a simple question. The answer probably is, never, and after an awesome preformance like that I want to see someone knock him on his ass and wrap him up with a decent tackle. Not just bounce off of him like most of the Eagles D did.
I just want to see if he is really as good as he looked against the Eagles, or did the Eagles just forget how to tackle. After his lights out preformance in the championship game I want to see someone put him on his ass, thats all I'm saying. I'm not acting like anything and you are just trying to make someting outta' nothing.
Quote from: shorebird on January 21, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
I think the main reason the Eagles lost is because Fitz was a man among boys out there. He can't be covered one on one or tackled one on one. I can't count the times Dawk's helmet bounced off him and he just kept going. He used and abused the Eagles defense. The linebackers might as well not have even been on the field. That, and the fact that he had a qb that hit him in the numbers on the run every friggen' time.
But, who is to blame for the Eagles D looking so awful? Doesn't the head coach have to take the blame for that?? J.J. takes some blame for shore, but this is Reid's team, Reid's game plan.
It has taken me this long to get over that defeat to post on here, but this is the ONLY post on this thread to mention Brian Dawkins. Sorry, but when Fitz scored on that trick play I want my FREE SAFETY making an effort to cover. McNabb had his faults, but at least he led a comeback. Dawk has been there for evryone of our NFCG chokes yet is immune from criticism. Great in regular season, but DARTH is a post season choker. Heart and soul of the defense? How about quit celebrating after the Giants game. Dawk = choker. Now please board members, please remove his dick from your mouths.
im not even a dawk fan boy like most but to call him a choker is ridiculous
what i will say tho is that its time for him to go...hes become completely one dimensional and if in an nfc championship game you cant trust him to drop back in coverage instead having to rely on an unproven rookie then its time to find someone that can....especially when he isnt even that proficient at tackling anymore
Dawk is a choker?
What?
How many big plays has he made in the Eagles final game of the playoffs? (Conf championship losses, Super Bowl loss, etc)
how many choking plays has he made in those?
he certainly hasnt stepped up and won a game or dominated and thats a fair criticism for someone who people worship but to call him a choke arist is absolutely ridiculous
Johnson doesn't trust Dawk which is part of the problem. I'll take Dawk back because he's still a top 10 safety in the league and there isn't a better replacement. Plus the guys a warrior and he gets the rest of the D up. Demps is a work in progress at this point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2009, 10:26:06 AM
how many choking plays has he made in those?
he certainly hasnt stepped up and won a game or dominated and thats a fair criticism for someone who people worship but to call him a choke arist is absolutely ridiculous
For a leader and a difference-maker, playing "ok" is akin to choking.
If Donovan choked in that game, Dawkins did too.
youre talking about this year?...wow...if youre gonna say he choked at least pick one of the championship games when he could still play...hes a shell of his former self...if you wanna say he stinks now thats more legitimate than saying he choked
carolina game sticks in my mind, not making a play on the first touchdown that was just thrown up in the endzone