http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2009/01/04/lurie_has_kept_eagles_aloft/?page=1
QuoteHowever it unfolds, one thing seems certain: Don't expect any major organizational changes in 2009. Lurie values the stability he has in place with coach Andy Reid, who is finishing his 10th season, the league's second-longest active streak with one team.
"With Andy's leadership, we were in four straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl," Lurie explained, when asked why he's resisted some external pressure to consider a change. "We haven't won a championship, but the quality of coaching and the quality of the performance of the team has been at a very high level.
"I think if you know you have really good coaching, you want to surround it the best possible way. That's more where we're at - try to keep improving the team, try to maximize all our resources, and think strategically. It's not about making the coach the target of frustration."
QuoteSaid Lurie, "Donovan has had a very good year, but it also has had its ups and downs. You have to know, in this sport, especially at the quarterback position, you're going to have your ups and downs. Hopefully the ups are predominant, and he's proven with him at quarterback, you have a very good chance of winning and winning big."
Lurie added that the Eagles have "every intention of having him back" and that "he's been great to work with." McNabb's contract runs through the 2010 season, and calls for him to earn $9.2 million in 2009 base salary and $10 million in 2010.
Not surprising, given the turnaround... but Lurie is delusional if he considers the last 4 years. But he's obviously not as he's still talking about '01-'04.
Reid returning - :boo :boo :boo :boo :boo
McNabb returning - :yay :yay :yay
i love how andy is the opitome of stability but mcnabb is up and downs
if andy wasnt so unstable they might not be playing on the road this weekend
May have been waiting 'til next week to play...
The team has 11-5 talent. That's why you see them blowing out so many teams and then the very next week they throw up all over themselves. That's Reid in a nutshell.
QuoteHowever it unfolds, one thing seems certain: Don't expect any major organizational changes in 2009. Lurie values the stability he has in place with coach Andy Reid, who is finishing his 10th season, the league's second-longest active streak with one team.
"With Andy's leadership, we were in four straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl," Lurie explained, when asked why he's resisted some external pressure to consider a change. "We haven't won a championship, but the quality of coaching and the quality of the performance of the team has been at a very high level.
"I think if you know you have really good coaching, you want to surround it the best possible way. That's more where we're at - try to keep improving the team, try to maximize all our resources, and think strategically. It's not about making the coach the target of frustration."
For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.
Look, I've got as much AR hate as anyone, but if you look at it objectively he is one of the best coaches in the NFL, no matter how you slice it. The only blotch on his record is not winning a Super Bowl.
Andy Reid vs. Cowher: virtually identical stats, including a dead even playoff win %. Cowher didn't win the SB until year 14.
vs. Jeff Fisher: Fisher trails Reid in every statistical category.
About the only coaches who blow Reid off the map are Belichick and Shanahan.
There are only 25 coaches in NFL history who have won the Super Bowl, and only 12 have won more than 1. There are 6 active coaches who have won a Super Bowl: Belichick, Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy & Coughlin. Only 2 have a better regular season record, and only 2 have a better post season record. Half of them coached 10 years before winning a Super Bowl. Gruden is the only one of the 6 to have fewer playoff appearances than Reid, and no other active coach has more than Reid.
No NFL coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams.
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid? What do you base that opinion on?
I suppose there is no better chance. We have to ride this one out into the sunset.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
Look, I've got as much AR hate as anyone, but if you look at it objectively he is one of the best coaches in the NFL, no matter how you slice it. The only blotch on his record is not winning a Super Bowl.
The problem isn't his record, but his skill set.
It goes beyond his record and the fact he hasn't won a Superbowl. Especially in the last 4 years. It's his play calling. It's the way his team is so inconsistent, and at times, unprepared to play. How do you explain scoring 3 pts. against the taterskins, and then scoring 44 against the Cowboys, if it's not coaching?
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid? What do you base that opinion on?
Right now, after watching the Ravens game, I'd say Jim Harbaugh. Look what he's done with the Ravens team in just one year after the demise of so called offensive genius Brian Billeck I'd also say Cowher, because of the fact that he is a run first kinda' guy, and a strict disciplinary type coach. I'd like to see Spagnola as the Eagle head coach.
A lot of these one year coaches showed that they can do in one year what it has taken Reid 10 yrs to not do.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 04, 2009, 03:37:47 PM
I suppose there is no better chance. We have to ride this one out into the sunset.
At this point, yes. Let's just hope the fargers have an amazing run to a Lombardi in them.
Lurie's beard was in full effect today.
too bad they stole the playoff beard from hockey, its an awesome thing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
Lurie's beard was in full effect today.
I heard Christina agreed not to shave her Hoyda until the Super Bowl is over.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid? What do you base that opinion on?
ummmm like shore said...his own special teams coach for starters?
brad childress is a better coach than andy reid and actually outcoached him today...the only thing seperating them was the on the field talent or the on the field lack of talent in the case of the vikes
The point isn't that there is some specific person out there that would be better than Reid. The point is that being-good-enough-to-win-a-playoff-game-or-two-when-you-actually-make-the-playoffs isn't good enough. They need someone who can win it all. That someone could me you or me or anyone, but it isn't Reid.
Reid isn't good enough. Coming up with a specific person who I would like to replace him is irrelevant.
^^^
exactly
i love people who like to settle
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2009, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid? What do you base that opinion on?
ummmm like shore said...his own special teams coach for starters?
brad childress is a better coach than andy reid and actually outcoached him today...the only thing seperating them was the on the field talent or the on the field lack of talent in the case of the vikes
Brad Childress is not a better coach than anyone. He gave the Eagles those first 3 pts. Any time Reid would make a bad call, Childress seemed to be ready to make a even dumber move.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2009, 09:41:02 PM
i love people who like to settle
This is exactly the point I try to make to Andy Reid defenders. To a man they all say, "He's the winningest coach in franchise history and you want to get rid of him?" or "Who would be better?"
At this point anyone else would be better. Andy Reid is perfect if you want to settle for being respectable every year. 10 wins. 11 wins. 9 wins and a tie. Playoffs. A post season win or two. Sure, he can deliver that. He can't deliver a championship. His philosophy runs contrary to decades of proven championship strategy and his personnel decisions don't match his philosophy.
Anyone else would be better.
Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since? Sometimes I think yes but other times I like having SOMETHING to cheer for in January.
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Look, would you guys rather be a team who won the SB
Yes.
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since?
Without question... YES.
Let me clarify - I was responding to this quote:
Quote from: shorebird on January 04, 2009, 12:57:22 PM
For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.
In short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound. By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
IMO, you're not a winning coach without the SB trophy, because no one gives a farg unless you win that game.
He hasn't won shtein yet.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
among them
gibbs
seifert
billick
switzer
walsh
My bad..that's what happens when I don't check the stats.
Ok...so 6 coaches have won a SB in their first 5 years.
6 out of 442
several rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
yeh man, happens all the time
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?
Landry
Cowher
Vermeil
?
Great news for the Chiefs in twenty years or so, then.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
yeh man, happens all the time
theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing...it only doesnt happen more because rookie coaches are generally rookies because the team they are taking over stinks...its not because rookie coaches cant be great coaches
in the end the canucks intial point that reid should be kept because he has experience is pretty meaningless...especially so in todays parity ridden league where 1-15 teams win divisions the next season
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer
munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
yeh man, happens all the time
theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing.
Three in 43 years averages out to once a generation, if we want to get all mathy about it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer
munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB
Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer
munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB
Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.
I added Munson to my Madden roster. He was the SB MVP.
What's really strange is that the birds can win the SB this year. I think offensively at least the 04 team was MUCH better. TO was here, Donovan could run they were a dangerous team. This year they are realistically a little better than mediocre, and a SB is very possible. I guess it's true....defense does win championships.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
yeh man, happens all the time
theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing.
Three in 43 years averages out to once a generation, if we want to get all mathy about it.
20 years is a generation?
either way its not some incredibly rare thing like a woman winning the superbowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:41:03 PM
20 years is a generation?
As there is no official number for the length of a generation, sure. Why not?
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:41:03 PM
20 years is a generation?
As there is no official number for the length of a generation, sure. Why not?
Year 3
Year 23
Year 43
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 05, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?
Landry
Cowher
Vermeil
?
Shula
Stram
We aren't talking 3 in 43. 3 (or 5 or 7 or whatever) rookie coaches out of all 400+ rookie coaches. Lightning in a bottle.
What makes Reid a logical choice (if maddening) is that every year you make the playoffs is a chance to get lucky and win it all.
its not lightening in a bottle its the fact that rookie coaches particularly before free agency and parity took over in the nfl normally took over horrible teams that did not allow you to win until they were rebuilt
i think it would pretty philly for the same team who tied the bengals and only had 9 wins to be the first eagles team to win the SB. they've beaten both the #1 seed in the NFC and arguably the best team in the AFC. they have as good as shot as anyone to go all the way now.
and the skins fans would say that their team is obviously better because the Eagles went 0-2 against them this year
(pointing and laughing)
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer
munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB
Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.
Man I farging rule.
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since?
Holy farging mother of God, farg yes!! Farg yes!!
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 05, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?
Landry
Cowher
Vermeil
?
Don Shula lost Super Bowl III when head coach of the Baltimore Colts, and then when head coach of the Miami Dolphins lost Super bowl VI, then came back and won
two Superbowls, VII and VIII. He then lost Superbowl XVII, Dan Marino's only Super Bowl appearance.
Shula on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Shula)
BTW, here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/) is the best reference I've found for coaching stats.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Let me clarify - I was responding to this quote:
Quote from: shorebird on January 04, 2009, 12:57:22 PM
For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AMIn short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound. By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.
Which is what I don't understand. How can he not see that Reid's time here is done?? And I'll question his logic all day long if that is the case.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AMGruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years. As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more. So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
Man, how long you been watchin' football? Billeck did it in his second year eight years ago. You forgot that already?
And no, you don't stick with Reid, because he is not
"almost there", and his record in the second half of his tenure supports that. The Eagles made the playoffs this year
in spite of Andy Reid, backing in only by one of the biggest miracles in franchise history. To put it simply, they got real friggen' lucky.
But, I will say this, if he coaches them to a Super Bowl victory this year, I will gladly eat my words. Hell, I'd probably eat shtein and crap out a golden egg.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AMIn short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound. By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.
Which is what I don't understand. How can he not see that Reid's time here is done?? And I'll question his logic all day long if that is the case.
What do you base that on? Look at the big picture, not one game or one year. Cowher, everyone's favorite savior, made the playoffs twice in a 6 year span. He was done too, right?
Again, I'm not an AR fan, but anyone not an Eagles fan can see that this guy can produce.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
And no, you don't stick with Reid, because he is not "almost there", and his record in the second half of his tenure supports that.
See: Cowher, years 7-12. 3 out of those 5 years were below .500
In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place. The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.
I am not buying into the idea that just because it took Cowher so long to win a Superbowl that the same thing is going on with Andy Reid. They are two completely different coaches and men.
Please, stop comparing Reid to farging Cowher.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place. The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.
Bullcrap, tell that to the Baltimore Ravens. Or the New England Patriots.
Quote from: shorebird on January 04, 2009, 12:57:22 PM
For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.
Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner think they have the next Bill Cowher on staff. That's why they believe they are saying.
By your logic, Cowher would have been canned after year 12, and there wouldn't have been many people who would disagree with the decision.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place. The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.
Bullcrap, tell that to the Baltimore Ravens. Or the New England Patriots.
Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 09:17:58 PM
Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.
Ownership is the main thing wrong with most of those teams.
Whatever, you can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I honestly hope Reid proves me wrong, but how farging long are you willing to wait before he does his Bill Cowher imitation?
I'd be happy with Reid if it weren't for recent coaching mistakes and irrational behavior. The head coach is responsible not the QB and putting it on McNabb's shoulders was bull crap. Not with these receivers in this predictable pass happy system. So they figured out what every media outlet and fan was screaming and every other team already knew and they've turned their season around by running the ball. Fantastic, but the stars had to align just so for the Eagles to LUCK into the playoffs. If they can win it all so be it. My head will explode and hookers for everyone. Facts are facts though and this season has been pretty messed up when it comes to coaching.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 09:17:58 PM
Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.
Ownership is the main thing wrong with most of those teams.
Ding ding ding ding!
And what is wrong with the Eagles?
QuoteWhatever, you can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I honestly hope Reid proves me wrong, but how farging long are you willing to wait before he does his Bill Cowher imitation?
I'm not stating what I believe, I'm just trying to make people see that this is not a no-brainer. Firing a 0-16 coach is a no-brainer, not firing Reid.
I've stated why I think Reid should go before. Further, I don't think he will have a breakthrough with his arrogance until he gets fired. He is a good coach, but I don't think he'll succeed with the Eagles.
firing reid was a no brainer a long time ago and it still is (unless you can get him to change or give up certain repsonsibilities)
and im still trying to figure out what bill cowher has to do with andy reid
should andy reid be fired because of marty schottenheimer?
Quote from: Phanatic on January 06, 2009, 02:39:56 AMIf they can win it all so be it. My head will explode and hookers for everyone.
Duly noted. Put my wife and I down for a buxom red head, not older than 23. We'll want a few hours of her services. Say, four hours.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2009, 08:06:34 AM
firing reid was a no brainer a long time ago and it still is (unless you can get him to change or give up certain repsonsibilities)
and im still trying to figure out what bill cowher has to do with andy reid
should andy reid be fired because of marty schottenheimer?
Give me one difference between Andy Reid and Bill Cowher at year 10.
give me one difference btwn marty schottenheimer and andy reid at year 10
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
give me one difference btwn marty schottenheimer and andy reid at year 10
200 pounds?
A bad beard?
There...I gave you two.
im disappointed you didnt go with drug addicted children
I thought two was enough...didn't want to show you up too badly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
give me one difference btwn marty schottenheimer and andy reid at year 10
Marty never went to a Super Bowl.
yeah but his kids were clean
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
yeah but his kids were clean
Thanks. I read the "drug addicted children" line the first time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
yeah but his kids were clean
Yeah, and they're zesty coaches too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
give me one difference btwn marty schottenheimer and andy reid at year 10
Marty had a horrible playoff win-loss record (~ .300) while AR has one of the best in the league (.600, 4th).
I had a thought last night. Suppose the Eagles win Sunday. If they are playing with "house money" as many say. Then we should be at least satisfied with the season. If that is hypothetically true, what happens if they win Sunday but lose the next to the Cardinals? Would that be worse than not making the playoffs. So I guess I am saying, what are everyone's expectations should we get by the Giants?
What the hell makes you think the Cardinals will win at Carolina?
Fatman wins a SB or he should be fired. I don't give a damn about his winning percentage in the playoffs, or his 7 trips to the post-season in 10 years. Whatever. Lombardi or GTFO.
The Eagles have already exceeded expectations. I expect the Eagles to lose on Sunday. Should they beat the Giants, I expect them to lose in the NFCCG, regardless of opponent. Should the Eagles win the NFCCG, I expect them to lose the Super Bowl, regardless of opponent.
Given the nature of the way the season has gone, the fact that I had low expectations entering the season, the fact that thrashing the Cowboys was the best Eagles game in years, and the fact that the Phillies are the World farging Champions, there is no possible outcome remaining that would be more disappointing than missing the playoffs. Perhaps only if someone like McNabb or Westbrook had a career-ending injury while playing in garbage time.
Quote from: henchmanUK on January 07, 2009, 10:15:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
yeah but his kids were clean
Thanks. I read the "drug addicted children" line the first time.
then you should have understood that saying reid shouldnt be fired because bill cowher won a superbowl or because marty schottenheimer didnt make a superbowl is as assinine as saying reid should be fired because marty schottenheimers kids werent on drugs
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 08, 2009, 06:50:01 AM
What the hell makes you think the Cardinals will win at Carolina?
Fatman wins a SB or he should be fired. I don't give a damn about his winning percentage in the playoffs, or his 7 trips to the post-season in 10 years. Whatever. Lombardi or GTFO.
I guess Im just wondering what makes you think that the Cardinals dont have a shot against Carolina...or were you just busting stalkers ever so confident Cardinals prediction?
There is no reason they cant keep that game close or win it...shtein...they were winning something like 17-3 their first meeting before Smith caught a 65yder to tie it and Warner almost had a 400 yd day. Im not sold on that squad at all, and I do think whoever wins the Giants/Eagles game advances to the Superbowl
The Panthers were built to win in the post season.
The Cardinals were built to win the NFC West.
Guess which team reese thinks will win.
the Panthers "were built" to win in the post season? wow.
I really cant even tell you how gay that sounds...and if they do beat the Cardinals so be it, but dont act like there is no shot in the world
No please, tell me how gay it sounds. I love reading your opinions.
you should love them because they make sense unlike you telling me that crap above
hold on...tell me one more time how well built they are..please?
they were built to win at the point of attack
FTW
haha, dio with another sneaky win
The Panthers:
They run the ball.
They play good defense.
They have reliable special teams.
They have a dependable and consistent QB with a star WR to bail them out.
The Cardinals:
Don't run the ball.
Don't play defense.
Have inconsistent special teams.
Have a great passing game.
Hooray for reese! I want to hear more from him. He's super.
yeah, but there isn't any wood or nails involved, so they aren't really "built" that way. duh
Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2009, 02:44:18 PM
yeah, but there isn't any wood or nails involved, so they aren't really "built" that way. duh
They use caulk, silly.
caulk is a sealing agent only, it has no strength, you can't use it to build....idiot
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 02:38:26 PM
The Panthers:
They run the ball.
They play good defense.
They have reliable special teams.
They have a dependable and consistent QB with a star WR to bail them out.
The Cardinals:
Don't run the ball.
Don't play defense.
Have inconsistent special teams.
Have a great passing game.
Hooray for reese! I want to hear more from him. He's super.
The Panthers:
give up a shtein load of points on defense
their QB had 15 TDs and 12 ints this year--dependable and consistent...awesome analysis.
The Cardinals:
did they have 100+ yds last week on the ground? just wondering
have a consistent QB with 2 star receivers and shut down Turner last week
now again I already said they could lose, but you coming on here calling me out like its so off-the-wall and telling me how "well built" the Panthers are for the post season made my day...so thank you...but then again I always laugh at you trying to show me up...keep it coming.
Game over.
Roll credits.
I really like you a lot. Your insights are without equal. Friend.
Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2009, 02:47:10 PM
caulk is a sealing agent only, it has no strength, you can't use it to build....idiot
Since the Panthers are stacked, they would have to use caulk to build the team. Dumb ass.
reeces whole analysis is that the cardinals could win
brilliant
ha....theres my little flappy lip
god I missed you
Quote from: reese125 on January 08, 2009, 02:51:03 PM
their QB had 15 TDs and 12 ints this year--dependable and consistent...awesome analysis.
Essentially the same stats as Matt Ryan. Both were dependable and consistent. Not world beaters, but good quarterbacks. Your reading comprehension is amazing.
Quote
The Cardinals:
did they have 100+ yds last week on the ground? just wondering
What the farg is your point, exactly? Theat one time they ran for 100 yards? Well done smart stuff.
Sure the Cardinals
could win. But they suck, bad. And the Panthers are the best team in the NFC thus far this season.
know defeat...youre toast...beat it
mass fax i just got at the office: giants chargers steelers panthers ravens titans cardinals eagles could all win this week
give me your easy money locks of the week again so I can pay my bookies mortgage
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: reese125 on January 08, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
know defeat...youre toast...beat it
Ha. Irony.
hit me up rj...well talk about how you can turn things around..no worries
You're super and I really like hanging out with you but my balls have enough danglers at the moment. No room for your sweaty face, tubby.
in order of confidence:
panthers
ravens
giants
steelers
267-958-112...
I hope to god those are actually the first 9 digits of your phone number. You might not know this, but FF is pretty darn good at stalking people and your phone is probably about 15 seconds from ringing right now.
that really pissed me off because I was hoping to get you and your heavy breathing when you called
Quote from: reese125 on January 08, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
267-958-112...
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
I hope to god those are actually the first 9 digits of your phone number. You might not know this, but FF is pretty darn good at stalking people and your phone is probably about 15 seconds from ringing right now.
The extent of my stalking is Google searching. Very difficult stuff!
And don't forget that it's your fault I have your phone number. You got it from Sunny and drunk texted me something about your massive beanbag. Nice work, dude!
I'm sorry but I needed to spread the word.
this is starting to get a little frightening
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
this is starting to get a little frightening
Speaking of which, have you sent your check to my home address yet?
try for once in your life not to be a paranoid douche...especially over 50 bucks...christ get a second job
I guess you really didn't get the actual point of my post, but thanks for playing.
wrong...you did the same thing last time i owed you money...being serious but thinly veiling it as a joke...i also told you last time if youre gonna do it pm me
I don't know what you're worried about FF. vigy sent met the ten bucks he owed me on the Killa bet right after I sent him the ten I owed him on the Klecko bet.
dude is good for it
He once sent me a picture of naked men celebrating the release of 300. True story.
i wonder if ff will come back and post on the board after his check is in his mailbox when he gets home from work today
Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2009, 02:47:10 PM
caulk is a sealing agent only, it has no strength, you can't use it to build....idiot
Word is; you like to suck caulk.
the better questions is white caulk or black caulk
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2009, 08:40:50 AM
i wonder if ff will come back and post on the board after his check is in his mailbox when he gets home from work today
You will need to lose a much bigger bet to pay me enough to leave this board.
I think he meant come back to post how you got paid, son
Thanks, Dad. I'll be sure to do that.
Take that tone with me again and we're going behind the woodshed
Sexy.
Nuh uh. The social worker says no more "bad" touch.
So just unsexy whippings then.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 02:38:26 PM
The Panthers:
They run the ball.
They play good defense.
They have reliable special teams.
They have a QB who got way too farging lit for his birthday and single handedly gave the game away despite controlling the ball for most of the game.
very happy to have been wrong on this one...
Jake Delhomme proved last night that giving a shtein is highly overrated. He is one of the most competitive guys around at the QB position, but that doesn't always make up for being a fairly average QB at best.
im not disagreeing i dont know how competitive jake delhomme is but what makes him or why do you say hes more competitive than anyone else
he doesn't yuck it up when he fargs up?
makes sense
Yes, he throws tantrums when he messes up. That's about it.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 08, 2009, 06:50:01 AM
What the hell makes you think the Cardinals will win at Carolina?
Because I am a farging genius. You must all be in awe of my GIANT BRAIN.
we are well aware of what you said there kid killer
cant stand that shtein
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
The Panthers were built to win in the post season.
Sounds like faulty construction moron.
Quote from: stalker on January 12, 2009, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
The Panthers were built to win in the post season.
Sounds like faulty construction moron.
Did you miss the part where I already said I was wrong? Did you just log in tonight to jerk off all over yourself for being a blind screaming homer?
Just because you took a mea culpa is no reason we can't torture you, fag.
So you did log on just to jerk off all over yourself. That's cool.
QuoteLurie happy with Reid, McNabb
The Eagles owner sees no changes next year, but has dreams of a Super Bowl victory.
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer Staff Writer
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Maybe it would've been this way anyway, even if the Eagles had continued to slide from 5-5-1 and missed the playoffs for the third time in four years. But now that the team is into its fifth NFC championship game in the last eight years, Jeffrey Lurie is certain of two things:
Andy Reid will be back as coach of the Eagles in 2009, and Donovan McNabb will be his quarterback.
Reiterating what he told the Boston Globe a week ago, Lurie said after the Eagles' 23-11 win over the New York Giants yesterday that he wants Reid and McNabb both to return for what would be their 11th seasons in Philadelphia. He wouldn't elaborate, other than to praise both Reid and McNabb for overcoming a rough start to the season to reach the NFC title game against the Arizona Cardinals.
"Whatever I said, I stand by," Lurie said. "I don't want to change anything, or elaborate, or answer any questions about it. It came out."
Lurie also wouldn't get into whether he's inclined to renegotiate McNabb's contract, which effectively runs through 2010. McNabb has hinted that he would like a new contract to give him stability within the organization so that he doesn't have to go through another season when his role is questioned.
"I don't even want to go there," Lurie said.
But Lurie was obviously thrilled with the Eagles' win over their NFC East rival and with being one game away from the Super Bowl. Since Lurie bought the team in 1994, the Eagles have been to four previous NFC title games - this will be the fifth - winning one in 2004 but losing in the Super Bowl to New England.
"This is our fifth trip to the championship game in eight years, and that's hard to pull off," Lurie said. "But, there's no celebrating, because we want to beat Arizona and have a chance to win the Super Bowl."
Lurie acknowledged that after the Eagles lost at Baltimore, 36-7, he thought the team was "in danger of not even making the playoffs," and he thought, "this is a pretty good football team." But he never got close to firing Reid, or even moving him onto the proverbial hot coach's seat.
"I think he's a very good coach, and I always felt that," Lurie said. "I don't think Philadelphia is any different than any other city in the country. When you're struggling, the coach and the quarterback are always the targets in the NFL. There's no secret there.
"But, I have to say, he's such a good leader. He's so resilient. He's not perfect, nobody is, and you can argue with play calls. . . . I have a lot of confidence in his ability. It's a lot of behind-the-scenes leadership. It's not how he addresses the press, or how he functions that way. That's not what's really the measure of the man. The measure of the man is what he's doing with the people he's working with, and he's been terrific for a long time."
Lurie also had praise for McNabb.
"He's been great," Lurie said. "There's so much on his shoulders, and he's just one of these athletes that finds a way to persevere and succeed."
QuoteFor Lurie, a most painful loss
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
All things considered, Jeffrey Lurie would rather not be in Philadelphia today.
He would prefer to be heading to Tampa for a Keystone State Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Instead, he confessed, he needed Ambien sleeping pills last week to help him forget about the pain of losing the NFC championship game to the Arizona Cardinals. In a 30-minute conversation with The Inquirer, Lurie spoke of that loss, the ups and downs of the 2008 season and his coach, Andy Reid.
He declined to discuss future roster moves because he said the team is still preparing its off-season plans.
QUESTION: What was Sunday like for you?
JEFFREY LURIE: Extremely painful. Obviously, you're very excited to be in the NFC championship game again with the thought of winning it and moving on to the Super Bowl and the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl and then it ends with a very, very heartbreaking loss after a great comeback. Obviously, the first half of that game we were not playing Eagles football and we made an incredible comeback in a tough environment, then we gave up one drive and lost the game. Personally, it was just extremely painful.
If you love what you're doing so much and you love your team so much and you love the sport so much and you can taste the opportunity to win the championship and it's taken away from you . . . by a solid performance from the Arizona Cardinals, and not our best game, it's just incredibly disappointing. It's good for Ambien because I need to take one every night to fall asleep.
Q: So you haven't been able to get that game out of your mind all week?
LURIE: Unfortunately, beating the Giants was a wonderful playoff game and it lasted about 12 hours. When you lose a playoff game, whether it's New Orleans two years ago, when you knew you were going to be able to beat Chicago the next week - that's how I felt - I've been playing that New Orleans game over for the last two years. I'll probably play it less now because I'll play this one. People say, 'If it's that painful, that's not good.' But it is good because if you're really obsessed and, outside of your family and friends, it's your primary passion, the things you love, you feel hurt when you can't have it. If it were not hurtful, all the great moments would be less great.
Q: Was there anybody in particular you felt for the most?
LURIE: There were a few people. You think of certain things and certain players. Obviously, you think of the great veteran players who have been playing in all these championship games and the Super Bowl. I think of my 98-year-old aunt Esther, who is the first to call after every game. She lives in Florida, so she was all ready to go to the Super Bowl. She's an amazing lady. It's my dad's sister.
"When you own the team, you sort of have to be the strong one and you can't really show your pain. You go into the locker room and you hug the players and you tell them you're going to be right back next year. You tell them to feel it, but we're getting back there just the way we've always done after a championship loss. That's the attitude. We have an excellent young defense. I have to be the positive strong one and that's the way I am even though it kills you inside. That's what you do instead of breaking down and being the one who shows the suffering.
Q: You've lost four conference championship games. Does each one become more difficult?
LURIE: Each one is painful. I would say this one is tied with the Tampa Bay one as the two most painful.
Q: Because you felt you should have won both of those games?
LURIE: And we had dominated both teams. We had dominated Tampa Bay and we had dominated Arizona. Donovan [McNabb] was healthy. The Carolina game I didn't think we had a great chance. I thought we had a decent chance. We were in the championship game and it was at home, but we were so banged up, but I didn't feel great about our chances in that game. It was less disappointing to me.
Q: Wasn't McNabb healthier in this game than the Tampa Bay game?
LURIE: He led us back in a phenomenal way in an incredibly loud domed stadium in this game. He showed a lot to me. The offense, really after a poor performance in the first half, delivered in the second half.
Q: How would you describe the season?
LURIE: By NFL standards, it's obviously a very successful season. By our standards, it's not. That's the thing that I feel. I feel when I got up there in August and spoke very honestly about what my expectations were for the team in training camp, I felt with my heart that we had a chance to challenge for the Super Bowl. I thought we had a real good team and if we could have some good luck with health that we'd have a real chance to challenge for the Super Bowl. The season matched what I felt, so in that regard it was as good as I expected.
I think one of the reasons we've had some of the success we've had is that everybody sets the expectations extremely high. ... Nobody talks about making the playoffs or being pretty good. The culture has really been imprinted that it's successful if we win the Super Bowl and not successful if we don't. It was an exhilarating season that in the end was unsuccessful. I'd guess you have to say that it had a lot more dramatic highs and lows than most seasons.
Q: What was going through your mind during that stretch when you tied Cincinnati and lost big at Baltimore?
LURIE: You think that's your team. You don't say to yourself, 'Boy, this is just a bad stretch.' You live that team at that moment in time. You say to yourself, 'This is not a good football team at this moment. This is a poor performance.' You don't have a perspective on it at that moment. I'm saying to myself, 'Are we really this bad?' Until you prove otherwise, which we did Thanksgiving night, we were that bad.
Q: What were your conversations with Andy Reid like at that particular point in the season?
LURIE: It was more like, 'What is really going on here? How can this team be as good as we think it can be and have a performance like this and like this?' The answer wasn't so simple.
Q: In the past when times were difficult, Reid always assured you that things would get better. Did he say anything like that this time?
LURIE: He said, 'This is poor and we've got to figure out why and we will figure out why.' But it wasn't like he had the answers by saying, 'Jeff, we're going to throw more on first down, blitz more on first down on defense.' It wasn't anything like that. We just weren't a team in sync.
Q: Was there ever a time when you wondered if the team was still responding to the head coach?
LURIE: Um, not really, but if it continued like the Baltimore-Cincinnati games, it would have started to happen a little bit. It was too short of a period for me to start thinking that way at all, but it's only human to say, 'What is really going on here?' But I've also been an NFL fan long enough to notice that teams just go into a funk for a couple of weeks. You see it with very good teams, so I didn't know if that was what was going on or if that was us and it was going to evolve into a 7-9 or 6-10 team going nowhere. During that period, you're living what you've got.
Q: Some people will wonder if Jon Gruden is the guy to get the Eagles over the top the way he did with Tony Dungy's team in Tampa Bay. What would you tell those people?
LURIE: I think in the NFL, whether it's an Andy Reid or a Bill Cowher, if you have a coach who is good enough to go to NFC championship games and a Super Bowl, that's what you need to win a Super Bowl. What you don't want is a coach who rarely gets to an NFC championship game and you assume that he can win a Super Bowl.
Q: So you believe if you keep getting to the doorstep that eventually you'll walk in the door?
LURIE: There's no question about it. It should have happened right now, but it didn't. All the ingredients are there in terms of the coaching ability and the leadership quality, but you still have to make it happen.
Q: Do you worry about Reid knocking on your door and telling you he's had enough?
LURIE: It's a tough job. I've never worried about it, but at some point I probably will, because it really is such a high-profile and stressful job. I think he's had so much success, minus a championship, that it's rewarded by the feeling of his peers in the NFL, the players and the people here and across the country. He's so highly regarded in so many ways that hopefully it shields him from feeling it's too much stress.
If it ever happens, you move on and you try to pick another excellent coach. They're out there. It's not something I spend a lot of time worrying about. No one is going to coach forever.
QuoteQ: Vikings coach Brad Childress addressed his concern about Reid's weight and health. Is it something that concerns you and do you ever mention it to him?
LURIE: I don't. It's not my role to do that. Anybody who cares for him, it's always a concern, but he's such a man in charge of his own being that he never complains about anything. He just moves forward. He never moves back. But as a friend, yes [there's concern].
Q: But you don't say anything to him even though you're concerned?
LURIE: I don't go there. It's something personal to him. You don't need to. He knows I care deeply about him as a person and I always want the best for him no matter what that is.
Q: Where would you rank the job Reid did this year?
LURIE: It was very impressive. When we were 5-5-1 . . . and then to be on the cusp of the Super Bowl and probably should have got in, that's very, very impressive. The thing that is remarkable about him is that no matter what's happening, he goes back, strategizes, leads and moves forward. . . . When you're 5-5-1, I'm sure he was worried and I was extremely worried that we were just going to play it out.
It was a very impressive leadership job. He never blamed any part of the roster. He never blames the players. He has a flat, boring approach with the media - totally non-controversial and he doesn't raise subjects - and it's not satisfying to a competitive media . . . but it plays so well in the locker room.
When you have the games like we were having and he gets up there and takes the brunt of the criticism - people are writing he needs to be fired or can't make decisions on the field about time-outs - he doesn't even defend himself. He doesn't even say, 'I would have done that, but the player couldn't do that.' It's very impressive.
Q: Have you ever seen another coach or manager who doesn't at least occasionally throw a player under the bus?
LURIE: Never. He never even does it with his own coaches in this building. He takes things on internally here. If I say, 'Maybe we should do this or this or this?' He won't say, 'Yeah, that coach should be doing this or that.' And he suffers in popularity because of it, but he recognizes that this is the way to win. It's that kind of leadership that got us from 5-5-1 to you know what happened. I'm very impressed.
Q: There are some veteran guys here who can become free agents. How difficult will those decisions be?
LURIE: You do get attached to players, especially players who have started and played here for 10-plus years. This is a hard part of the whole thing. You want to play it out as long as you possibly can. Your inclination is definitely to keep things with those players, but at some point you have to get better as well. I'll do what I always do. I rely on the football guys. I'll have my own thoughts, but Andy, Tom [Heckert] and Howie [Roseman] and the coordinators will all be part of that decision making.
Q: At last year's owners meetings, there were discussions about seeding playoff teams based on their records. If that measure had passed, you would have been home for the NFC championship game. What was your feeling about it at the time and now?
LURIE: My thought then was that if we would have changed to that system, it would have penalized teams in a really good division. That's why I didn't want to do it.
Q: But in this case it rewarded a team in an awful division.
LURIE: It did.
Q: Should the league take control of whether a team can close the roof in the postseason?
LURIE: Yes.
Q: Will you bring up that issue at this year's owners meetings?
LURIE: Yes. I tried to bring it up before the game and I was told when we approved these stadiums . . . that the league does not take control of the dome opened-and-closed issue. My memory was wrong. I thought when we approved [Houston and Arizona] that the league takes over a playoff situation. I think it will come up and not just by me. The league should control this.
Q: People have been talking about the window closing on the Eagles' chances to win a Super Bowl for some time now. Do you think it's still wide open for you guys?
LURIE: Wide open. Yes.
Q: Are you already thinking about next year?
LURIE: I'm thinking about every single way of how we can be better. I don't really ever feel satisfied and I don't know if I would if we won. It would be like, 'Yes, we won and let's have the parade and celebrate,' but we could be better there, there and there. That's why I have gray hair. I wouldn't even know what it's like not to think that we can be better.
Lurie takes a lot of crap from people in Philly (and this board) but he is easily one of the best owners in the NFL.
lurie takes very little crap....reid especially and banner take way more
The buck stops there, though. If you don't like Reid and Banner, Lurie's the guy that could adios both of them.
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
You want us to ban you?
No, just eliminate the double standard. Either don't ban anyone or ban everyone.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 25, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
The buck stops there, though. If you don't like Reid and Banner, Lurie's the guy that could adios both of them.
i mean i know what youre saying and in 95% of situations its true...but the eagles situation is different...its not like lurie is hiring total morons...banner is competant and knows what hes doing but hes one of the worst humans on the planet hence the hate towards just him...and as bad as a game day coach as i think he is reids record speaks for itself nd shelters lurie from any direct hate in not firing him
Quote from: stalker on January 26, 2009, 05:46:52 AM
No, just eliminate the double standard. Either don't ban anyone or ban everyone.
you say your shtein with malice are not the least bit funny about it and clearly represent what you say...mds is a half retarded jew who is just making fun of his own people in a cute and cuddly way that only a mentally deficient person could
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 25, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
The buck stops there, though. If you don't like Reid and Banner, Lurie's the guy that could adios both of them.
i mean i know what youre saying and in 95% of situations its true...but the eagles situation is different...its not like lurie is hiring total morons...banner is competant and knows what hes doing but hes one of the worst humans on the planet hence the hate towards just him...and as bad as a game day coach as i think he is reids record speaks for itself nd shelters lurie from any direct hate in not firing him
Quote from: stalker on January 26, 2009, 05:46:52 AM
No, just eliminate the double standard. Either don't ban anyone or ban everyone.
you say your shtein with malice are not the least bit funny about it and clearly represent what you say...mds is a half retarded jew who is just making fun of his own people in a cute and cuddly way that only a mentally deficient person could
Never with malice. I love everyone. I also love poking fun at everyone. I defy you to find a post where I was maliciously racist.
Quote from: stalker on January 25, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
Your capacity for context is missing.
Quote from: stalker on January 25, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
MDS is a Jew you ignorant farghead.
Jesus Christ just go away.
Quote from: Rome on January 26, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 25, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
MDS is a Jew you ignorant farghead.
Jesus Christ just go away.
So that makes it okay?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2009, 02:19:26 PM
Quote
Q: Some people will wonder if Jon Gruden is the guy to get the Eagles over the top the way he did with Tony Dungy's team in Tampa Bay. What would you tell those people?
LURIE: I think in the NFL, whether it's an Andy Reid or a Bill Cowher, if you have a coach who is good enough to go to NFC championship games and a Super Bowl, that's what you need to win a Super Bowl. What you don't want is a coach who rarely gets to an NFC championship game and you assume that he can win a Super Bowl.
Just a shout out to all those who doubted whether or not Lurie thought Andy Reid was the next Bill Cowher.
Fact: Cowher has never led a team to an NFCCG.
Quote from: stalker on January 26, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 26, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 25, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
MDS is a Jew you ignorant farghead.
Jesus Christ just go away.
So that makes it okay?
Look at it this way... it would be like you making fun of ignorant, unfunny, racist douchebags. No one would think less of you for mocking them.
Quote from: Rome on February 01, 2009, 07:38:08 AM
Quote from: stalker on January 26, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 26, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 25, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
lurie deserves credit for more or less paying the bills and staying out of the way
but his inner circle of penny pinching jews and his love of fat mormons = teh fail
If you replaced that with DUMB NYGHER QB he would be banned!
How about an even playing field?
MDS is a Jew you ignorant farghead.
Jesus Christ just go away.
So that makes it okay?
Look at it this way... it would be like you making fun of ignorant, unfunny, racist douchebags. No one would think less of you for mocking them.
I just happen to think that most of the racism "problem" is in the perceived victim. Ooooooh someone called me a name! I'm gonna sit home and cry. If I complain and whine enough maybe the Nanny Government will give me money. Shake it off. Suck it up. Go to work.
Good God shut the farg up and go away.
It's a bitter pill to swallow Rome but that's the way it is. People who percieve they are the victims of racism have to assimilate into our society and culture. Be Americans. If that means like white Americans so be it. Every ethnic group that came to this country has eventually become a part of our culture; accepting it and adding to it. If an ethnic group refuses to do it. They will remain forever outside looking in.
Die.
I guess its time for me to become white now since then all the white ppl will see me as equal and treat me as equal!
What a brilliant idea...how come I did not think of it before? If only all those black coaches who always get looked over would only act white.
What the farg is going on here?
Funny Stern skit from 15 years ago (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Svv_SDkueQ)
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
I guess its time for me to become white now since then all the white ppl will see me as equal and treat me as equal!
What a brilliant idea...how come I did not think of it before? If only all those black coaches who always get looked over would only act white.
Embrace mainstream American culture and assimilate into that society and you would have an easier time.
Mainstream American culture is an abomination. You are a perfect ambassador for it.
That reminds me, I need to pick up some wasp spray.
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
I guess its time for me to become white now since then all the white ppl will see me as equal and treat me as equal!
What a brilliant idea...how come I did not think of it before? If only all those black coaches who always get looked over would only act white.
Embrace mainstream American culture and assimilate into that society and you would have an easier time.
And what is this mainstream American culture that I need to assimilate into? What should I give up of my old, inferior, and non white culture? My religion? My traditions? Maybe my language? My music?
I hear they have skin bleaching products. Maybe I can use some.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
I hear they have skin bleaching products. Maybe I can use some.
That stuff is meant for pornstar anuses.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2009, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
I hear they have skin bleaching products. Maybe I can use some.
That stuff is meant for pornstar anuses.
I saw a episode of the Tyra Banks Show where black women were seriously considering options to bleach their skin to look white.
PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME WHY I WAS WATCHING HER SHOW :(
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 02:37:59 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2009, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
I hear they have skin bleaching products. Maybe I can use some.
That stuff is meant for pornstar anuses.
I saw a episode of the Tyra Banks Show where black women were seriously considering options to bleach their skin to look white.
PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME WHY I WAS WATCHING HER SHOW :(
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Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
I guess its time for me to become white now since then all the white ppl will see me as equal and treat me as equal!
What a brilliant idea...how come I did not think of it before? If only all those black coaches who always get looked over would only act white. That's old news
Embrace mainstream American culture and assimilate into that society and you would have an easier time.
And what is this mainstream American culture that I need to assimilate into? What should I give up of my old, inferior, and non white culture? ethnic groups who have successfully assimilated have blended their culture into American culture and made it a richer, more diverse tapestry My religion? My traditions? It depends on what the traditions are. If they run counter-productive to American mainstream mores and norms, then yes.Maybe my language? Of course.My music?If the music condones objectification of women, drug use, prostitution, and wanton lawlessness, then yes
I hear they have skin bleaching products. Maybe I can use some. I don't see why that would be necessary
Please make it stop.
If I post something pornographic in this thread will it be locked and deleted?
Most of the people here realize this is true. It's just not politically correct to ever say it. Multi-culturalism is wrong. Period.
How is this guy not banned already? I mean hes either a joke character or a outright full fledged racist. None of that is grounds for dismissal?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2009, 06:22:30 PM
Mainstream American culture is an abomination. You are a perfect ambassador for it.
I love you.
No homo.
I love you very homo butterbuns.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 06:18:48 PM
How is this guy not banned already? I mean hes either a joke character or a outright full fledged racist. None of that is grounds for dismissal?
How do you figure that I am a racist. I harbor no ill will toward anyone.
I have two black guys that work for me.
"G" is a 36 year old engineer. He is from Atlanta. Brilliant guy. He is a tremendous racist. He assumes every white man is against him until they prove otherwise. He and I are good friends, It took a couple of years.
"H" is a 77 year old handyman. He grew up in Alabama. He tells me that any black person under 70 really has no idea what racism is. He gets all over G for his distrust. He says my company treats every employee like a person.
Like I said before, I know very few blackpeople personally.
There are the 2 guys at work, 1 guy at Little League and my son-in-laws family. He is a good kid. second year med student. His father I have known since college. We were actually team mates. We never hung out together as black guys went their own way for the most part. Does that mean I am racist? I liked rock and roll, they liked disco music.
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 02:45:04 PM
It's a bitter pill to swallow Rome but that's the way it is. People who percieve they are the victims of racism have to assimilate into our society and culture. Be Americans. If that means like white Americans so be it. Every ethnic group that came to this country has eventually become a part of our culture; accepting it and adding to it. If an ethnic group refuses to do it. They will remain forever outside looking in.
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Embrace mainstream American culture and assimilate into that society and you would have an easier time.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Most of the people here realize this is true. It's just not politically correct to ever say it. Multi-culturalism is wrong. Period.
We have a black president and you think that people who won't assimilate to your idea of America will forever be on the outside looking in? Your an idiot.
Your idea of mainstream American culture is straight out of 1950's Mississippi. Makes me think you haven't been oustide for quite a while.
Multi-cultrualism is wrong and most of the people here know it's true?? :-D The best thing you could do for the human race is to never reproduce. Seriously.
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 02:45:04 PM
It's a bitter pill to swallow Rome but that's the way it is. People who percieve they are the victims of racism have to assimilate into our society and culture. Be Americans. If that means like white Americans so be it. Every ethnic group that came to this country has eventually become a part of our culture; accepting it and adding to it. If an ethnic group refuses to do it. They will remain forever outside looking in.
Quote from: stalker on February 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Embrace mainstream American culture and assimilate into that society and you would have an easier time.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Most of the people here realize this is true. It's just not politically correct to ever say it. Multi-culturalism is wrong. Period.
We have a black president and you think that people who won't assimilate to your idea of America will forever be on the outside looking in? Your an idiot. He became black later in life. He was raised in the mainstream American culture by his mainstream American grandparents
Your idea of mainstream American culture is straight out of 1950's Mississippi. Makes me think you haven't been oustide for quite a while. No, it still exists in flyover country. You don't even have to look for it, it is still out there.
Multi-multiculturalism is wrong and most of the people here know it's true?? :-D The best thing you could do for the human race is to never reproduce. Seriously. I already have 4 kids and 2 grandchildren. I can't believe that people think that others with different thoughts should be stifled.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 08:19:09 PM
"H" is a 77 year old handyman. He grew up in Alabama. He tells me that any black person under 70 really has no idea what racism is. He gets all over G for his distrust. He says my company treats every employee like a person.
You'll be the first one he shoots when the revolution comes. He'll charge at you, guns blazing, screaming "DIE YOU CRACKER-ASS-CRACKER!"
The nicer an old man is to your face, the more he hates your guts. Does he ever say "Oh yes sir, Mister Stalker sir!"
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2009, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 08:19:09 PM
"H" is a 77 year old handyman. He grew up in Alabama. He tells me that any black person under 70 really has no idea what racism is. He gets all over G for his distrust. He says my company treats every employee like a person.
You'll be the first one he shoots when the revolution comes. He'll charge at you, guns blazing, screaming "DIE YOU CRACKER-ASS-CRACKER!"
The nicer an old man is to your face, the more he hates your guts. Does he ever say "Oh yes sir, Mister Stalker sir!"
No, but he does admit that there is no one more racist than an old black man. I hope he doesn't come out guns ablazin. My kids call him "Mr H" and treat him like an uncle or grandfather. I will tell you one thing though. He is one hard working SOB. He never says no. If I ask him to do anything, I don't have to ask twice. It's done. He's really more than a racist, an age-ist. He says about the old times, "what's done is done" and really treats people all the same. Is he a closet racist? I doubt it. He can't stand the young generation. Says they are all flags and should just shut up and get to work. His words not mine. I love the guy, not in a homo way. He is rightfully proud that he raised 9 children and got them through college sometimes working 3 jobs to get it done. He doesn't harbor any grudges as he says, he lived the American dream and enabled his children to do better financially then him.
So... in other words, according to you, he has accepted the fact that he needs to forgo his racial identity and act white.
I guess, maybe. Or, he has seen the successful American culture and decided it's better to join up then fight it. It seems to have worked for him. I assume we can all use our own measure of personal success and strive to reach our own goals. If my measure of success agrees or disagrees with someone else's does it make it right or wrong? To me I have my own definition of success and my own goals. You have yours. If I am not stepping on anyone else's rights, why am I considered a racist? I think mine are better than yours and you think yours are better than mine. So what? We all have the right to our own pursuit of happiness.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 06:18:48 PM
How is this guy not banned already? I mean hes either a joke character or a outright full fledged racist. None of that is grounds for dismissal?
I think Retard is on to something...
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
If the music condones objectification of women, drug use, prostitution, and wanton lawlessness, then yes
HA HA HA!! Isn't this the heart of Rap and Rock and Roll? Here in "fly over" country Buck Cherry are super stars amongst the nice suburban white kids.
who is buck cherry
They sing porn rock songs that have lots of farg in them. Horrible commercial shlock rock with naughty words in them to shock mom and dad.
lol new genre of music: porn rock
What stalker meant was that if the music condones objectification of women, drug use, prostitution, and wanton lawlessness, and is performed by black folks then it is evil. If it's performed by nice white dudes just having a good time and playing a little rock and roll, it's just fine.
Clown.
Like with Bill O Reily liking Ozzy but getting all worked up over Ludacris.