Ed says that the Birds have the 13th pick right now. Carolina is getting spanked by Atlanta, so that's good. What are the team's biggest needs?
I say these are the needs (in order, sort of):
Offensive Tackle
Safety
DT (not a first round penetrator, a mean big body run stuffer)
RB
QB
LB
Coach
LB
WR
LB
WR
LB
WR
how about they take the best player on the board thats not a running back or cornerback?
It's obvious that our back up QB isn't panning out so we should make that our #1 priority...a back up QB
...anything above that is just butta.
dt
lb
te
rt
fs
wr
fb
@ mussa: Coach goes without saying. WR is not a problem at this point, or at least not a top five problem. shtein, RB is more of an issue at this point than WR. Westbrook is INJURY PRONE and Buckhalter is INJURY PRONE and Booker is worthless. I would have included FB in my list above but they don't really need to use the draft for that if they don't want to.
Honestly, OL, DL and Safety (followed closely by RB and LB) are the positions that they need to concentrate on and fix immediately.
Trade Donovan to Minnesota for Chester Taylor.
That at least takes the pressure off that position and Westbrook. We'd finally have our Thunder.
It's obvious we're not going to have Donovan so...maybe we can kidnap Matt Ryan somehow.
Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Power RB
DT (run stuffer)
Dawkin's replacement
OT
K
Probably many others too...
new uniforms
less white players
skinnier coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
new uniforms
less white players
skinnier coach
retro uniforms
doesn't matter if they replace them with Asians, so say what you mean: more black players
smarter coach
This is admittedly a work in progress.
More rifles, less talk about peace.
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
More rifles, less talk about peace.
You voted for the nice guy and not the angry POW.
Make your bed and sleep in it, pansy.
My negro > your senile lunatic.
Not if you like rifles and chaos he's not.
Barack needs to invade the Novacare and stage a blood coup.
Offensive lineman, one that has a clue how to run block.
Defensive lineman, one that has a big ass and can stuff the run.
A real honest to goodness linebacker and not some undersized no tackling wannabe.
Saftey
it really depends on what they do with reid and mcnabb.
OT: right now they're not bad enough to get Andre Smith (Alabama) or Michael Oher (Ole Miss) but they're in the area of Eugene Monroe (Virginia)
TE: Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma) is the only one worthy of a 1st-rd pick and he'd be in the lower half of the round
S: William Moore (Missouri) and Taylor Mays (USC) are possibilities
WR: Crabtree likely goes top 5-10; Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) and Percy Harvin (Florida) will be in the mix
there's also a bunch of linebackers that are 1st-rd talents, like James Laurinaitis (Ohio State), Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing (USC) and Aaron Curry (Wake Forest)
and everyone's favorite DE Michael Johnson will be in the 5-10 area
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2008, 07:30:41 PM
and everyone's favorite DE Michael Johnson will be in the 5-10 area
:drool
Offensive linemen. Tra and Runyan have stuck around longer than I expected. The interior linemen can't get any forward momentum going.
Defensive tackles. Big ones. Tackles that make it hard for other teams to get that push.
OLB. Someone that can cover the TEs in this division.
FB. Someone to run block, pass block, and even get that one tough yard.
pretty much scrap the defense...keep a couple corners who cares who they are...the front seven deliver to the junkyard
please lord bring some lb's that can make a play
offensive line dead
wide receivers dead
neidermeyer dead
tight ends dead
O-line has to be the #1 priority. Runyan and Thomas are F/A's, who the hell knows what's going on in Andrews head, Jackson sucks, Herremans is awful.
herremans at guard has to be lumped in with no pr and no fb
OT
LB
S
DT
TE
FB
QB
RB
GF's list is my list.
Aaron Curry is an absolute monster. I'm not sure I agree with Kiper having him #1 overall, but he's great. Not sure that's the Eagles biggest priority but I'd love to draft him.
i would love to not have any of the linebackers on the team next year
btw Carolina's pick went from #30 to #29. Success!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 11:30:36 PM
i would love to not have any of the linebackers on the team next year
Can't say I disagree with that.
I'm not sure how Gaither gets scapegoated and Gocong gets run out every week without ever making plays.
gaither dont play company ball gocong do
always be like that here
I don't want a first round pick spent on DE. Cole is a monster. Abiramiri, despite all of Igy's hopes and prayers, actually seems like a player. Parker and Howard are having fine years and even Clemons has finally been sniffing the field. Save DE til the second day.
DT is where they need the help. Bunkley and Patterson are good rotational #2 guys...but they need a huge run stuffer in there.
Safety for sure. If this year isn't Dawk's last, next year will be. Get a guy in here to learn under him for at least a year....Mikell is okay, but not stellar. The white guy needs to go NOW.
If they're really gearing up to get rid of McNabb...then draft a QB. Kolb is very obviously not the answer.
A play making TE that can farging block is a big need as well. The WR's with Jackson are not horrible, and having a Witten-type TE would make this offense a lot better.
Quote from: MDS on November 24, 2008, 12:08:42 AM
gaither dont play company ball gocong do
always be like that here
exactly
neither are very good but gocong is just happy to be in the league much less starting....so what do you think hes gonna act like...where as omar while probably delusional wants more and expects more for himself...and the company line of banner reid lurie dont like uppity negros
i just love it when we agree. it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 07:53:01 PM
pretty much scrap the defense...keep a couple corners who cares who they are...the front seven deliver to the junkyard
please lord bring some lb's that can make a play
offensive line dead
wide receivers dead
neidermeyer dead
tight ends dead
By all means let's get rid of Trent Cole. He like sucks and stuff.
This is pretty much a given, but the draft is evaluated in conjunction with free agency. Whatever you can't get in FA you get in the draft. I'd like for them to get a big, sure-handed target at WR like Houshmandzadeh in free agency. Then take care of LB and OL in the draft. There are some guys that will be FA like Haynesworth and Adrian Wilson(I think) that I like on defense.
Just too many needs to take care of in one offseason.
What this team needs more than anything, regardless of position is some guys who as Dawk would say have that "dawg" in them. Right now there are very few players, if any on this team that have that. Dawk unfortunately is just too old. As far as I am concerned this team could be blown up and they could draft one of the top QBs.
As has been mentioned earlier what the team needs more than anything is a new coach. Did anybody watch NFL Countdown yesterday? They were talking about how fans in Philly should be careful what they wish for in the firing of Andy Reid. They said they will not find a better coach and compared it to Bill Cowher in Pittsburgh. It is amazing to me that the so-called experts can watch this team and say that. Defensively they live and die by the blitz, usually can't stop the run, and allow too many big plays. Offensively I don't even need to mention that. All of these things make it damn near impossible to win a SB in this league.
The team needs so much work that they are basically justified in taking anyone who's not a corner, long snapper, or punter. I want to see them draft only guys who played their intended NFL position in college... please no "projects" like a 200 lb O-lineman or shotput champion at fullback.
If Andy is still around... then I suggest you find something else to do with your time during the 2nd -7th rounds of the draft.
i can't even think about the draft until after the eagles playoff run.
All these experts talking that shtein about "getting what you wish for" must never watch an Eagles game its in entirety.
If you cant see the blunders this coach makes week after week, the not addressing and correcting the same mistake during a practice week, and the not adjusting the game plan during a game...then those guys on NFL countdown might need to join Tony Siragusa on the sidelines
I just cant ever picture myself saying, "damn...I wish Andy Reid was still here" when he is gone. Ever.
Im mentally prepared to be on the bottom of the NFC East for some years like the Giants and Cowboys, and by the way this team is manufactured right now in some key areas...its the cycle of the NFL.
i have no problem being zesty now for a payoff later...but you have to have something to look forward to...a light at the end of the tunnel...tangible progress...but with andy at the helm (both gm and coach) its complete stagnation and an awful thing to live thru
Quote from: reese125 on November 24, 2008, 09:36:27 AM
All these experts talking that shtein about "getting what you wish for" must never watch an Eagles game its in entirety.
If you cant see the blunders this coach makes week after week, the not addressing and correcting the same mistake during a practice week, and the not adjusting the game plan during a game...then those guys on NFL countdown might need to join Tony Siragusa on the sidelines
I just cant ever picture myself saying, "damn...I wish Andy Reid was still here" when he is gone. Ever.
Im mentally prepared to be on the bottom of the NFC East for some years like the Giants and Cowboys, and by the way this team is manufactured right now in some key areas...its the cycle of the NFL.
They say that because all they look at is that Andy has won 100 games as the Eagles coach before they get to work on their next Cowboys fluff piece and figure, "Well he must be a great coach." They don't have the time/interest/motivation to truly analyze and discover all of Andy's coaching/playcalling faults and realize that the games the Eagles have won over the past few years, they've won in spite of his farg-ups and not because of his abilities.
The bottom of the NFC East is here fellas... and it's probably here for a while. The big question is if the Eagles powers that be decide to try to get back towards the top with a new coach/philosophy or if they waste another couple years believing that Reid can turn it around.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
i have no problem being zesty now for a payoff later...but you have to have something to look forward to...a light at the end of the tunnel...tangible progress...but with andy at the helm (both gm and coach) its complete stagnation and an awful thing to live thru
Most intelligent thing you've ever posted.
theres not a lot of competition
TJ is a free agent after this season?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
i have no problem being zesty now for a payoff later...but you have to have something to look forward to...a light at the end of the tunnel...tangible progress...but with andy at the helm (both gm and coach) its complete stagnation and an awful thing to live thru
I think all Eagle fans would agree on this.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 10:36:30 AM
TJ is a free agent after this season?
yes, but he'll be 32 next September
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 24, 2008, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
i have no problem being zesty now for a payoff later...but you have to have something to look forward to...a light at the end of the tunnel...tangible progress...but with andy at the helm (both gm and coach) its complete stagnation and an awful thing to live thru
I think all Eagle fans would agree on this.
I
hope all Eagles fans agree on this
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 24, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 10:36:30 AM
TJ is a free agent after this season?
yes, but he'll be 32 next September
who the hell cares honestly?
i dont care if guys are 32...if they are productive they are productive.
look at warner and favre. just because reid likes to cut anyone above 30 does not mean all plays drop off right then and there.
look at TO...hes well into his 30s and still top 3 in the league. unless the eagles can draft another desean jackson or sign/trade for somoene younger i have no problem bringing in a 30+ yr old WR who teams have to respect and double team.
now of course if they are rebuilding with a new QB i do not see why any such WR would want to come here besides money.
Your last line is what I was sorta hinting at. If you want to start from scratch, let the new guys bring in their own philosophy and have 1-2 years of being garbage like the Rams, then it doesn't make any sense to sign a 32-yr old FA WR for big money.
Quote from: mussa on November 24, 2008, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 24, 2008, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
i have no problem being zesty now for a payoff later...but you have to have something to look forward to...a light at the end of the tunnel...tangible progress...but with andy at the helm (both gm and coach) its complete stagnation and an awful thing to live thru
I think all Eagle fans would agree on this.
I hope all Eagles fans agree on this
Me four!
Looking around the league at all of the rookie running backs that are kicking ass and taking names and then looking at the Eagles current runningback situation, it strikes me that maybe this team lacks forsight. Call me crazy.
whats ridiculous is they say the eagles dont have a running game, but Andy just refuses to do it period
Right now they don't have a running game. Andy Reid or no Andy Reid. Westbrook is obviously hurt (shocker). Buckhalter is hurt (shocker). Booker is useless. Andrews is out. Thomas and Runyan are cooked. Jackson is fat. Herremans is a tackle playing guard. They have no FB. And their TEs can't block. The team has abslutely no running game right now.
Spot on.
yeah, i forgot to say prior to the injuries. The Offensive line has said all year long, pass protection for 15 plays then expecting them to switch to run blocking for one play then back to pass blocking is tough. Who knows, all i know is Andy sucks as a dad and coach
The problem is less Westbrook's injury (though he is capable when healthy of overcoming certain things), and more a total failure of the organization to prioritize the running game and letting it fall into disrepair.
- Justice was drafted to replace Thomas. He's awful but nothing was done as a backup plan. Does Herremans move back out to tackle? It's probably not the worst idea, but is he remotely good enough to be a LT in the NFL? And if he does slide over, who fills in at LG?
- Runyan retiring was theoretically going to force Andrews outside, and his spot would be filled by MJG. But Andrews is an all-star on the interior so why the farg would you PLAN to move him? Now he's hurt and mentally farged so there is no RT plan. Super.
- No FB.
- Slow, soft TEs who can't block.
Overhaul.
BTW, it's hilarious that Reid turned MJG into a pass blocker. The guy clearly doesn't know how to clear paths for the RB's, but he does pretty well in passing situations.
YAY for turning a 350 pounder into a finesse player!
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 25, 2008, 02:20:34 PM
BTW, it's hilarious that Reid turned MJG into a pass blocker. The guy clearly doesn't know how to clear paths for the RB's, but he does pretty well in passing situations.
YAY for turning a 350 pounder into a finesse player!
All he knew was how to Run Block, now he doesnt know how to do it... Coach of the Year.
Castillo has been great over the years, i have no idea if he gave up teaching run blocking all together
They usually practice run blocking once or twice in june mini camps.
Thats more than enough.
nm
Quote from: rjs246 on November 25, 2008, 01:48:01 PM
Right now they don't have a running game. Andy Reid or no Andy Reid. Westbrook is obviously hurt (shocker). Buckhalter is hurt (shocker). Booker is useless. Andrews is out. Thomas and Runyan are cooked. Jackson is fat. Herremans is a tackle playing guard. They have no FB. And their TEs can't block. The team has abslutely no running game right now.
This made me cry.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 25, 2008, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 25, 2008, 02:20:34 PM
BTW, it's hilarious that Reid turned MJG into a pass blocker. The guy clearly doesn't know how to clear paths for the RB's, but he does pretty well in passing situations.
YAY for turning a 350 pounder into a finesse player!
All he knew was how to Run Block, now he doesnt know how to do it... Coach of the Year.
Castillo has been great over the years, i have no idea if he gave up teaching run blocking all together
They might as well teach MJG to punt. He'll be doing that just as often as run blocking under Reid.
This dude's 3 round draft gives me a hardon. (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php)
No reason other than it's a mock draft that fills obvious needs with talent and winners.
(adding schools and positions for the people that don't follow college football)
NFL Draft Countdown -- 11/11
01 LIONS = Matthew Stafford (Georgia QB*)
02 RAIDERS = Andre Smith (Alabama OT*)
03 CHIEFS = Sam Bradford (Oklahoma QB*)
04 BENGALS = Chris "Beanie" Wells (Ohio State RB*)
05 RAMS = Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State CB)
06 49ERS = Michael Oher (Mississippi OT)
07 SEAHAWKS = Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech WR*)
08 BROWNS = Vontae Davis (Illinois CB*)
09 TEXANS = Michael Johnson (Georgia Tech DE)
10 JAGUARS = James Laurinaitis (Ohio State ILB)
11 CHARGERS = Rey Maualuga (USC ILB)
12 DOLPHINS = Brian Orakpo (Texas DE)
13 VIKINGS = Eugene Monroe (Virginia OT)
14 SAINTS = Aaron Curry (Wake Forest OLB)
15 BRONCOS = William Moore (Missouri S)
16 JETS = Knowshon Moreno (Georgia RB*)
17 COLTS = Sen'Derrick Marks (Auburn DT*)
18 RAVENS = Jeremy Maclin (Missouri WR*)
19 LIONS (from DAL) = Greg Hardy (Mississippi DE*)
20 PACKERS = George Selvie (South Florida DE)
21 FALCONS = Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma TE*)
22 BEARS = Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland WR*)
23 PATRIOTS = Taylor Mays (USC S*)
24 EAGLES = Jason Smith (Baylor OT)
25 BILLS = Brandon Pettigrew (Oklahoma State TE)
26 BUCCANEERS = Peria Jerry (Mississippi DT)
27 CARDINALS = Alex Mack (California C)
28 taterskinS = Tyson Jackson (LSU DE)
29 EAGLES (from CAR) = Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest CB)
30 STEELERS = Duke Robinson (Oklahoma G)
31 GIANTS = Brian Cushing (USC OLB)
32 TITANS = Percy Harvin (Florida WR*)
Consensus Draft Services -- 11/27
01 LIONS = Andre Smith (Alabama OT*)
02 CHIEFS = Michael Johnson (Georgia Tech DE)
03 BENGALS = Michael Oher (Mississippi OT)
04 RAMS = Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech WR*)
05 SEAHAWKS = Eugene Monroe (Virginia OT)
06 49ERS = Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State CB)
07 RAIDERS = Brian Orakpo (Texas DE)
08 CHARGERS = Rey Maualuga (USC ILB)
09 JAGUARS = Vontae Davis (Illinois CB*)
10 TEXANS = Knowshon Moreno (Georgia RB*)
11 BROWNS = Terrence Cody (Alabama DT*)
12 EAGLES = Taylor Mays (USC S*)
13 SAINTS = Aaron Curry (Wake Forest OLB)
14 PACKERS = Chris "Beanie" Wells (Ohio State RB*)
15 VIKINGS = Matthew Stafford (Georgia QB*)
16 DOLPHINS = George Selvie (South Florida DE)
17 BRONCOS = Peria Jerry (Mississippi DT)
18 BEARS = Jeremy Maclin (Missouri WR*)
19 BILLS = Brandon Pettigrew (Oklahoma State TE)
20 taterskinS = Brian Cushing (USC OLB)
21 PATRIOTS = Brandon Spikes (Florida ILB*)
22 COLTS = Mark Herzlich (Boston College LB*)
23 LIONS (from DAL) = Sam Bradford (Oklahoma QB*)
24 RAVENS = Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland WR*)
25 FALCONS = William Moore (Missouri S)
26 CARDINALS = Sergio Kindle (Texas OLB*)
27 BUCCANEERS = Percy Harvin (Florida WR*)
28 STEELERS = Victor "Macho" Harris (Virginia Tech CB)
29 JETS = Josh Freeman (Kansas State QB*)
30 EAGLES (from CAR) = Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma TE*)
31 TITANS = D.J. Moore (Vanderbilt CB*)
32 GIANTS = Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest CB)
please stop posting mock drafts before the final draft order is even complete
thank you
lol one draft had stafford at 1, the other at 15.
god what a waste of time doing mocks in NOVEMBER
Alphonso is sick. His size is a bit of a detriment, but he's now tied for the all-time ACC lead in INTs and is lightning with the ball in his hands. Wouldn't mind seeing him slide into Lito's slot next year.
#16 and #29 with 4 weeks to go
maybe a 1st for mcnabb? or at least a 2nd right?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 30, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
maybe a 1st for mcnabb? or at least a 2nd right?
no chance at a first
a 2nd would even be pushing it
A second sounds about right for him, I really don't think he will be traded though.
There's no way he's traded unless he agrees to restructure his contract with the new team.
I say:
60% - He remains an Eagle
30% - cut outright
10% - traded without restructuring
OR
40% - He remains an Eagle
40% - traded with restructuring
20% - cut outright
Wow... you really think chances are he stays? I can't see it. Restructuring is about the only shot he has to stay here... and even then, I still doubt it. After this zesty season... they need a scapegoat. That'll be 5.
i can definitely see him staying dependant on one thing that none of can answer...do the coaches think kolb sucks?
its entirely possible andy and co. are like oooops we kinda blew that kolb pick dook cant play in the league...or kid is a nice career back up type...if this is the case then mcnabb stays....if however they think kolb is the future then i dont see a scenario where donovan comes back
Yeah, I forgot about Kolb (as I repressed any memory of his sorry ass from my mind). I guess he'll make the FO think twice about it. If Andy does stay on after this year, he would have to know that in '09 he would be coaching for his job. I would think he'd want to go to war with McNabb in that situation rather than Kolb.
Again though... given that the hunchbacked money-grubber is always lurking in the shadows... McNabb restructuring would be a huge factor in him returning.
The FO should just get rid of both and start from scratch, won't happen but it should.
Oh god, McNabb's due a lot of money next year. How will they ever be able to sign Reggie Brown to an extension?
Tra is probably gone. Runyan, same. Dawkins. Lito. LJ. Maybe Andrews. Who the farg else is there to pay right now? Omar Gaither? Are they going to go nuts in free agency? No. McNabb's money should be irrelevant.
beleive me id love to rip the front office over being cheap and not wanting to pay mcnabb but in this case i dont think its a primary factor....they value the qb position very much and would have no problem paying it big time money....
again i believe if mcnabb leaves its because they want to go with kolb and move into the future...not because they dont wanna pay mcnabb...i think they will like the idea of freeing up money but i dont think that will be the reason they get rid of him (if he even does)
Unless its a major front being put up by McNabb, he genuinely seems to want to stay. Judging by his comments on the NFLN post game show, he said he is going to talk to Andy and the upper management and clear the air. He said he hopes and wants to stay here.
If they think Kolb is not good, which judging by Spads' comments they think he is going to be really good, then they'd pay McNabb.
I think they will offer to restructure his deal to avoid the huge cap hit, he will refuse because the restructure will not be favorable and the Eagles will trade him. Then they'll tell us that they really wanted to keep him but the numbers did not work out and Kolb will be shoved down our throats.
its inexcusable to black ball safeties and linebackers and not put the best players on the field at all times but its a whole nother thing to do it with the quarterback
if they mess with what is arguably the most important position in all of sports and have anyone but the best guy for the job out there next year...meaning if money dictates who gets the job then the nfl should take the franchise away from lurie
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2008, 02:12:55 PM
its inexcusable to black ball safeties and linebackers and not put the best players on the field at all times but its a whole nother thing to do it with the quarterback
if they mess with what is arguably the most important position in all of sports and have anyone but the best guy for the job out there next year...meaning if money dictates who gets the job then the nfl should take the franchise away from lurie
You're right. But we all know that the only thing that runs through the FO's mind is dollar signs and revenge. And then they always try to spin it as the whole "who us? We are trying to win! This is the best!"
McNabb is by far the best guy to be out there. He should not be released or traded. Anyone, especially the people who run the team, who thinks that is flat out insane.
If they do pull a penny ante move with McNabb, would someone please be so kind as to wake me up when the next owner takes over?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2008, 02:12:55 PM
its inexcusable to black ball safeties and linebackers and not put the best players on the field at all times but its a whole nother thing to do it with the quarterback
if they mess with what is arguably the most important position in all of sports and have anyone but the best guy for the job out there next year...meaning if money dictates who gets the job then the nfl should take the franchise away from lurie
It damn sure won't be on-field play that decides if they boot McNabb or not... at least not entirely. McNabb has had his struggles... somw HUGE farg ups.. you can't dispute that, but he's still worlds better than Kolb. I don't give a flying farg what the FO tries to spin at me or sell me on Kolb. I've already seen the Pennington-like noodle arm. I've already seen the happy feet. Like I believe you said earlier... he looks the same as he did back in TC/preseason last year. This kid has only been taking snaps from under center for less than 2 years IN HIS LIFE and he's supposed to be a better option than McNabb at this point? No. Career backup if I ever saw one.
There will be a dramatic drop off in QB play if they go with Kolb in '09. We all know that.... so what do you come back to? The money. Look at the history of this FO... they've viciously cut corners, nickel and dimed their way to the "salary cap championship" for years. Why would this situation with McNabb be any different? I completely agree that they put a lot of value on the QB position, and if we were talking about a proven
young QB... I'd agree that they wouldn't consider money to be much of a factor, but I don't know if they're licking their chops to pay a 32 year old QB who's been here for 10 years with an injury history (when again, the FO is likely to be looking for a scapegoat for missing the playoffs).
I think like Phreak said, the FO will make the money "the issue" and go on about how bad they wanted to keep McNabb, but his refusal to restructure left them with no choice. See: D. Moore, M. Lewis, J. Trotter, R. Hood, etc.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 02, 2008, 07:52:11 AM
I think like Phreak said, the FO will make the money "the issue" and go on about how bad they wanted to keep McNabb, but his refusal to restructure left them with no choice. See: D. Moore, M. Lewis, J. Trotter, R. Hood, etc.
ill be shocked if they do this...they are almost 9 million under the cap...if you wanna save money at safety or linebacker thats one thing but when youre under the cap you cant use money as an excuse as to why you got rid of your starting quarterback and a pretty good one at that
i think mcnabb comes back...and i put it at a pretty confident 90%
if tho mcnabb gets jettisoned it better be because they truly believe kolb is ready and can play in this league
If Andy Reid is back next year none of this matters. They'll go 1-15 with their sole win coming after the bye because that's how Andy do.
Every one of these moves mentioned will most likely be the opposite and no doubt something completely unexpected will happen.
This franchise has left the fans viciously scratching their heads for years whether its the draft, free agency, off-season/in season moves and in-game play. That being said, there is no reason to think just because McNabb is a former pro-bowl qb and gives the team the best chance to win that he will be here.
something that will never be unexpected: your idiocy
god you need to be punched hard
C-C-C-C-C-CAT FIGHT!!
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2008, 08:44:31 AM
If Andy Reid is back next year none of this matters. They'll go 1-15 with their sole win coming after the bye because that's how Andy do.
Exactly. It doesn't matter what happens with McNabb or the draft, or what friggen' ever. As long as Andy Reid is the coach of this team, they will start slow, lose games they should win, play just good enough to lose games against good teams, screw up with their time outs or clock management, have no pro bowl receivers or linebackers, and farg up the draft.
This team plays with absolutely no consistency what so ever, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach. They come out flat and lose games they should win, ie, Cincinnati and others, which is a direct reflection on the head coaches preparation and game plan.
How the farg that motherfarger still has a job is beyond the comprehension of any Eagle fan with at least half a farging brain. Jeff Lurie is a lying ignorant motherfarger with his Gold Standard steaming load of crap. His only Gold Standard is how many asses he can put in the stands. If he doesn't fire Andy Reid, and he lets Reid get rid of McNabb, then he is no more than a money grubbing bastich just like Norman Braman.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2008, 08:44:31 AM
If Andy Reid is back next year none of this matters. They'll go 1-15 with their sole win coming after the bye because that's how Andy do.
Did they win after the bye this year?
Yes. Against the Falcons. Booyah!
If the refs didn't blow the call and say the Falcons touched that punt, Ryan would have brought them back to win 28-27.
paybacks a bitch, that roughing the passer call against Cole was as big an abomination and led to a TD. The refs really sucked bad that game.
Andy Reid teams will never go 1-15. When they suck they'll always win just enough for crap draft positions, but not enough to make the playoffs.
Everyone knows this team is going 8-8 again this year and once again they'll think winning 2 of the last 4 or whatever is a sign for a turnaround.
Quote from: King Cole on December 04, 2008, 10:26:10 PM
Andy Reid teams will never go 1-15. When they suck they'll always win just enough for crap draft positions, but not enough to make the playoffs.
wait until kolb is starting and dawk runyan and tra are gone...easily under 5 wins and 1-15 is not out of the question...especially in their division
Who gives a shtein about the draft when it's clear that Reid can't do that right either? Higher pick only means bigger bust.
Quote from: King Cole on December 04, 2008, 10:26:10 PM
Everyone knows this team is going 8-8 again this year and once again they'll think winning 2 of the last 4 or whatever is a sign for a turnaround.
I'll bet you $200 that they don't go 8-8.
I think they'll go 7-9 personally, because I can't see them winning any of the division games. But in case you haven't noticed the taterskins aren't playing that well at all over the last few games. Would you honestly be shocked if Cleveland and Washington are wins?
I can guarantee they won't go 7-9 either.
Ah, I see. Well I consider the Bengals game a loss.
But yea, 8-7-1, 7-8-1.
farg I was pretty sure you were dumb enough to send me $200.
lol
dropped another spot to #17 with 3 weeks to go
Rey Maualuga
I know it's like a 1,000 to 1 chance, but who in their right mind wouldn't want this guy? He's a friggen' fooball monster. Could be even better than Lofa Tatupu. We better hope like hell he doesn't come to the NFC East, unless it's on the Eagles. This guy could make the Eagles D the best in the league. With his size and speed, and the way JJ likes to blitz, I have to think he would be a perfect, instant fit. He is going to shore up someones defense for years to come.
http://www.youtube.com/v/5zXfvNjEBBI
id send out a rae carruth type hit on bradley if it meant getting malugua however the eagles love the white stuff and are not going to draft his replacement
I know, it sucks. It doesn't matter if he would be 10 times the player Bradley is.
the first hit on that video is helmet to helmet on the sideline and the second is a shot to the head on a sliding qb, drawing a flag.
if dirty and stupid are what we want at LB, this guy fits the bill
yeah lets get more linebackers that lay a doily down on the turf for the ball carrier to land on
i bet your favorite hockey team is the flamers
I love it when Eagles players draw penalties for being aggro idiots, it's so awesome.
i love when stain resistent dockers wearing slackers who run errands during eagle games watch a 30 second highlite clip of a manimal linebacking prodigy who theyve never seen play and decide they dont want him because hed take lots of dumb penalties when and if he ever plays in the nfl
you're so easy to bait it's ridiculous
i take this shtein seriously
you're an idiot
Wasn't Bradley a SLB? I would get Rey if you could get him. Gocong needs to go-go.
Bradley has generally played pretty damn well. Jordan has played well since going in for Gaither, but you have to figure the Eagles could get someone better to make some plays from the weak side.
Gocong should be in for spot duty as a pass rusher. He is shaky in coverage and average in run support.
Basically, the one LB spot you don't really need to look for is MLB. Both of the outside spots should be fair game in the draft.
ray maluguas taint hair would make more plays than stewey
illy crew has it right...move him to sam and draft the real ray ray
put maluguas in prison where he belongs and draft a nice white mormon kid please
Quote from: Diomedes on December 11, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
you're so easy to bait it's ridiculous
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2008, 09:33:07 AM
i take this shtein seriously
Quote from: Diomedes on December 11, 2008, 09:33:40 AM
you're an idiot
I don't know why, but this exchange made me crack up. Such is the twisted world we call :CF. All unicorns and rainbows.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 11, 2008, 10:30:11 AM
Basically, the one LB spot you don't really need to look for is MLB.
Unless Maualuga is there when the Eagles pick, which won't happen, but it's nice to dream. The guy is the millenniums LT.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2008, 08:36:13 AM
id send out a rae carruth type hit on bradley if it meant getting malugua however the eagles love the white stuff and are not going to draft his replacement
Reno ring a bell? Birds need more Polynesians. Ngata would have been a nice start.
#18 and #30 as of now. If the Giants win, the Carolina pick jumps to #28. Go Giants.
stick a knife in your throat you fat farging piece of shtein
28th pick, panthers lost. zesty 11-4 team. woot woot!
We will draft Maualuga. And play him at fullback.
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 22, 2008, 12:02:08 AM
We will draft Maualuga. And play him at fullback.
Can he punt?
igs is it OK to mention the Eagles' picks are #22 and #28? No? k...
I think you mean 27 and 32.
You really think Carolina is going to stop Indy?
You really think Indy is going to make it?
Dolphins/Eagles Superbowl
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 29, 2008, 12:07:09 PM
igs is it OK to mention the Eagles' picks are #22 and #28? No? k...
as long as you dont mention that the pick from carolina isnt in the top 10
If anyone's interested, tonight's Alamo Bowl will have top-2 safety William Moore, a guy that will be in the latter half of the 1st round. (Missouri #1)
Jesus the Birds really need to draft a safety this year.
My sarcasm detector just farging spontaneously combusted.
to replace Considine duh
They really should use a #1 draft pick on a backup safety. No, really.
It's not like that it matters since Reid will undoubtedly be back
Yay! Dawkins had a great game yesterday! No need to find his replacement, ever! Especially not a stud of any sort.
That's a very good point, rjs. Dawkins can play until he literally turns into a pile of ash. Then his replacement will rise up out of the ashes.
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
They really should use a #1 draft pick on a backup safety. No, really.
fix your detector
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 29, 2008, 03:06:08 PM
You really think Indy is going to make it?
Dolphins/Eagles Superbowl
We lose. I saw it in a Jim Carrey movie.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 29, 2008, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
They really should use a #1 draft pick on a backup safety. No, really.
fix your detector
Inspect Her Gadget?
Poker in the front, liquor in the rear?
k....if you think Demps is the next Pro Bowler back there, there's two more guys to keep an eye on: WR Jeremy Maclin and TE Chase Coffman
Thanks Chris.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 29, 2008, 06:45:44 PM
That's a very good point, rjs. Dawkins can play until he literally turns into a pile of ash. Then his replacement will rise up out of the ashes.
That's the stupidest thing anyone has ever said. His ashy replacement would still be a baby, and 20 years away from making a meaningful contribution.
Are you suggesting that Weapon X2 wouldn't emerge from the ashes fully grown? Please.
OWNED
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
Are you suggesting that Weapon X2 wouldn't emerge from the ashes fully grown? Please.
Fully grown at 2 feet tall? I hope not. After all that fire, there simply won't be enough material to make a full-sized safety. You might as well put Considine out there.
2 Foot Tall Weapon X2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean Taylor's decomposing corpse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considine.
I suppose he can play RB until he grows up.
We all need to be lined up and shot.
Get some antlers and call up your dad.
I must have missed something somewhere.
Dad... antlers... what?
Nevermind. Just read the great outdoors thread.
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2008, 08:08:55 PM
I must have missed something somewhere.
Dad... antlers... what?
Nevermind. Just read the great outdoors thread.
thanks for being so honest and open about your journey
If only you'd be open and honest in your suicide note. Soon.
Rome FTL
He posted that at the Honolulu airport?
Oh, dear God.
All Around The World the Same Song.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2008, 06:20:30 PM
Jesus the Birds really need to draft a safety this year.
taylor mays is a farging animal....they will have to trade way up for him but they should do everything possible to make that happen
Mays is Jewish. Reid don't roll with that.
Can they just do a spliced clone of Dawkins and Ed Reed? That would be a pretty good player.
thats literally what mays is
Wow, shtein.
With Demps around the birds don't need a replacement for Dawkins. They do need a top tier OT. I wanted Otah last year and he is a stud at Carolina. Andy needs to go to his roots and replace Tra or Runyan.
Re-sign Runyan; move Herremans to LT; sign Jahri Evans to play LG
Quote from: stalker on December 30, 2008, 01:53:38 PM
With Demps around the birds don't need a replacement for Dawkins.
how do you know demps can replace dawkins but cassell cant replace mcnabb
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2008, 01:55:32 PM
Re-sign Runyan; move Herremans to LT; sign Jahri Evans to play LG
What about RG? Is Andrews ever going to play again?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2008, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: stalker on December 30, 2008, 01:53:38 PM
With Demps around the birds don't need a replacement for Dawkins.
how do you know demps can replace dawkins but cassell cant replace mcnabb
Demps is a no charge replacement, they already own him. Also, I don't think Dawkins is going anywhere for a few years.
oh i thought you were saying you know demps is an nfl starter
demps in no ways effects whether you take mays or not...mays is gonna be special as shtein
It's always a crap shoot. No one has that crystal ball. Romo, like him or not, was undrafted. Leinert was can't miss, So was Ryan Leaf. It's all a crap shoot.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 30, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2008, 01:55:32 PM
Re-sign Runyan; move Herremans to LT; sign Jahri Evans to play LG
What about RG? Is Andrews ever going to play again?
I'd assume so; but they just need to give him an IV full of psych meds.
They definitely need OL in a bad way, but that doesn't preclude them from also badly needing a safety.
Which brings us back to what a lot of us were saying 6 pages ago...the first 4 rounds needs to be OL, S, DL, and TE...not necessarily in that order. I hope they go TE and OL first round.
Screw drafting a TE; sign Owen Daniels
Unless Houston has some cap issues, I doubt that's going to be a possibility
The Texans won't let him go. At least they'd be crazy to.
yeah cause owen daniels is the savior
farg owen daniels
white ass name
I would like to see them use the first round picks on skill positions and then use the later rounds to draft fat guys who can push other fat guys around.
Never said he's the savior, but he's a damn good TE.
Get Witten as soon as he's chased out of Dallas.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 30, 2008, 05:15:01 PM
I would like to see them use the first round picks on skill positions and then use the later rounds to draft fat guys who can push other fat guys around.
Why?
get albert haynesworth so the taterskins dont
Dear god yes. Haynesworth removes the need for any further work on the DL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2008, 06:23:38 AM
get albert haynesworth so the taterskins dont
After they used 2 first round draft picks on that position? They would have to admit they are not as good as Haynsworth (which they are not) and besides I think they both are signed for like another 5 yrs.
Would love the move.
And Stalker I would for once like to do what other teams do where they have this foreign concept of selecting talent in the first round to fill out the skill positions all the while still building up their lines in the later rounds. I have never seen a team sacrifice a position, WR, so much and claim its because it has to be build from the inside out. Other teams seem to enjoy 1-2 good WRs, 1-2 good RBs, and good-great OLINES. Eagles seem to fail at the WR position and claim its because they have to focus on the line more.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 31, 2008, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2008, 06:23:38 AM
get albert haynesworth so the taterskins dont
After they used 2 first round draft picks on that position? They would have to admit they are not as good as Haynsworth (which they are not) and besides I think they both are signed for like another 5 yrs.
That would be like going out and getting a high priced cornerback when you've already got two really good ones.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2008, 10:58:02 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 31, 2008, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2008, 06:23:38 AM
get albert haynesworth so the taterskins dont
After they used 2 first round draft picks on that position? They would have to admit they are not as good as Haynsworth (which they are not) and besides I think they both are signed for like another 5 yrs.
That would be like going out and getting a high priced cornerback when you've already got two really good ones.
But only for positions they consider "worth it" and esp after one of the "two" good ones wants more money.
I would love to see it happen but I think they have a better chance winning the Superbowl than signing Albert.
i was half joking dookies
i just dont want lil danni to get him
Danny won't get him. There's no way he makes it out of Fisherville.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 31, 2008, 11:05:53 AM
Danny won't get him. There's no way he makes it out of Fisherville.
Yeah the Titans have a couple months to throw as much cash at him as they can come up with.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 31, 2008, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2008, 06:23:38 AM
get albert haynesworth so the taterskins dont
After they used 2 first round draft picks on that position? They would have to admit they are not as good as Haynsworth (which they are not) and besides I think they both are signed for like another 5 yrs.
Would love the move.
And Stalker I would for once like to do what other teams do where they have this foreign concept of selecting talent in the first round to fill out the skill positions all the while still building up their lines in the later rounds. I have never seen a team sacrifice a position, WR, so much and claim its because it has to be build from the inside out. Other teams seem to enjoy 1-2 good WRs, 1-2 good RBs, and good-great OLINES. Eagles seem to fail at the WR position and claim its because they have to focus on the line more.
Retard, the flaw in your thinking is that like it or not the Eagles have one of the 3 or 4 best records in the league since 2000 (I know that's accurate but I am bad with actual statistics and can't back it up). So the harsh reality we all have to face is that Andy Reid is smarter than just about every other personnel guy in the league. And yes it is true. You build a football team from the inside out and front to back.
Well I do think you have to build from the inside out. And I think Reid has done that. This line is good enough to run block and pass block and has been for the past 3-4 seasons. Yet the excuse that they need to use the first round picks to trade down or select more lineman is just that...a excuse.
They need more talent at WR, TE, and a back up RB. No more of these nice guys who may or may not develop and even when they do their ceiling is just being average.
Re sign both Thomas and Runyan to 2-3 year deals and draft in the later rounds to replace them.
with runyan and thomas off the books and a surplus already there there is no reason they couldnt sign the best offensive tackle on the market this year and draft non lineman early
admittedly i have no idea what if any worthy of big money tackles will hit the market but that option is there...absolutely nothing says they have to draft a linemen in the first round this year
Whats the scoop with RB Shonn Green from Iowa?
might be a nice pick up for the Birds late first
how many stupid ways are there to name your son Sean?
Shawn
Shonn
Shaun
and of course, the "De" variations:
DeSean
DeShawn
DeShonn
DeShaun
what have I missed?
Seán, Siôn, Sian... the female names Sean, Shauna, Shawna... people who pronounce Sean "seen", Shane
I didn't even think of the D' variations:
D'Sean
D'Shawn
D'Shaun
D'Shonn
dont forget shawny as its pronounced in the NHL
The bigger question is how many names can you "De": In the NFL alone you have DeSean, DeShawn, Demarcus, DeAngelo, D'Anthony, Demorrio, DeMario, DeMichael, DeWayne, the ridiculous D'Brickashaw, DeMeco, D'Qwell, DeCori, the quad of D'Juan, DeJaun, DelJuan, and DaJuan
I once knew a girl whose mother was Melissa and father was Andrew.
result? wait for it now...
Andrewlissa
And they were allowed to leave the hospital unsupervised with the kid?
What's more, when the girl was nine or so her parents divorced. Shocking, I know.
Each hospital should have access to a complete list of names used in D&D campaigns. If one of these names appears on a birth certificate, the parents should immediately be placed in some sort of counselling program and the baby in protective custody until the parents prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are now able to take care of themselves and a baby.
Now we all know that 80% of these names are from coloreds. Why is it the coloreds want to use the D', De', Di', designation. While we are at it, what the hell is the cache' of having "Q" in a first name? Is there cultural relevance here? I would really like to know. Are there any social anthropologists on this board?
holy crap
Thought I'd bring a little levity to the board! I've been listening to the Stern show the last few weeks and the old shows with Billy West impersonating Marge Schott have me cracking up. She uses Coloreds and Darkies when referring to our African-American brothers. Myself, I prefer the name "presidents" when making disparaging remarks about people of African descent.
go back to brevity
Rey Maualuga air humps Erin Andrews from behind (http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/01/rey-maualuga-and-the-tunnel-of-love.html)
the Carolina pick fell to #29. boooo
Quote from: Diomedes on January 04, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
Rey Maualuga air humps Erin Andrews from behind (http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/01/rey-maualuga-and-the-tunnel-of-love.html)
GET (Andrews)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2009, 11:28:10 AM
If Crabtree is there, and he likely won't be, when they pick I would not scream if they spent a pick on him. But I would prefer to upgrade the spots that rjs mentioned. Upgrading those spots, bringing back McNabb on a new deal and keeping these WRs the same is good with me.
to win now what spots need upgrading more than wr...te is the only one i can think of...sure they need tackles and a safety but that is for the future...to improve the team in the next nine months in order to win it all in jan '10 then wr is at or near the top of the list...when you want to win right away its not enough to have players that if everything goes right could win a championship...you want to be well on the other side of the fence and have talent that should win a title
I would like another stud DE opposite Cole. Parker and Howard are good role players, but I want another guy who defenses must look after.
TE
DE
FB
RB
OT
WR
That's how I'd rank it right now. Like I said, I would welcome a new WR in, but I don't see it as a pressing need as much as before.
You can argue that certain positions on defense could be upgraded, but the fact is that the defense right now is pretty freaking lights out. A safety to replace Dawkins and a young DE or a better LB. You can nitpick about those but really, the offense has many more specific needs.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1112/ncf_a_gresham_inline_300.jpg)
I'd like to see this guy drafted with one of the 1's.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1112/ncf_a_gresham_inline_300.jpg)
I'd like to see this guy drafted with one of the 1's.
I want to see them trade the 1's to get someone studly near the top of the round.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2009, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1112/ncf_a_gresham_inline_300.jpg)
I'd like to see this guy drafted with one of the 1's.
They will Trade the 1's to get someone of good character near the top of the 2nd round.
ha...the Eagles' pick could be after the Carolina one after all
btw it'll be #21 if they don't reach Tampa
The Carolina pick is #28 and will jump to #27 if the Ravens win next week
Tebow announced today that he's going back to Florida for his senior year
but no thinking draft right now, right igs?
pretty sure im never not thinking draft
hmm.... Taylor Mays is returning to USC for his senior year
thats actually great news...now the eagles can get him next year
Looks like all of the Oklahoma guys are returning to school, including Gresham.
I guess it's a lock that one pick will be an OT and the other will be traded out
time to turn our attention to the hidden OT's of division III.
i really have no idea who we draft. i was thinking TE, but then celek went bonkers. no way we draft DT. probably not DE. we have lots of G's. god forbid greg lewis going anywhere. the rest of our wr's aren't going anywhere.
Runyan has had a rough year, so I say we spend 1 of our 1sts on a RT
the second...RB? WLB? S?
haven't been following college ball this year, but like biged said, wouldn't be surprised to see us trade out of the 1st with one of our picks.
#21 pick
sigh
farg the draft.
OT & DE.
i think today proved that a true #1 wr doesn't affect the game at all
farg a WR, they need to get a stud OL to push some heads around and get this run game straightened out...or we can count on the 45 shotgun plays in a row for the next couple of years
The trick is to get two #1 receivers. Three #2s just doesn't cut it.
No the trick is to know what you have. If you have ok-good WRs and a good 1-2 punch in the running backs you build around a running game. If you do not want to do that you do not wait till the 2nd round and then use your second pick in the 2nd round to draft a WR of impact. You do not sign another teams #3 or players who went undrafted for very good reasons.
Now in this game today the WRs were wide open in the first half and McNabb missed and then they did bring them back but mostly every season the WRs are just OK enough and never dynamic enough for the type of pass first offense Andy wants to use.
Warner did not make many bad throws but when he did throw up high or threw it short Fitz calmy made adjustments. He is a man/beast/god.
If you have a good 1-2 punch in the runningbacks, maybe you should invest in a really good fullback. Oh, if only there were one available in the offseason last year.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 18, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
If you have a good 1-2 punch in the runningbacks, maybe you should invest in a really good fullback. Oh, if only there were one available in the offseason last year.
Lorenzo Neal is old fat and slow.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 18, 2009, 08:21:59 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 18, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
If you have a good 1-2 punch in the runningbacks, maybe you should invest in a really good fullback. Oh, if only there were one available in the offseason last year.
Lorenzo Neal is old fat and slow.
Klecko is 28, which isn't exactly young in the NFL.
maybe they can draft a couple of true #1 fullbacks
They'll make great defensive tackles.
Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2009, 08:06:40 PM
i think today proved that a true #1 wr doesn't affect the game at all
How many Larry Fitzgeralds are around? There are maybe 3 guys in all the NFL who can have that large an impact.
Fitzgerald, Moss........Okay 2 guys.
Boldin and Andre Johnson say hi
I'll give you Andre Johnson. Not Bouldin. He is a very, very good player but not one of those upper stratosphere guys like we mentioned.
You are dead wrong. He's a man beast.
Steve Smith, Fitz, Boldin, Moss and Andre Johnson - there is your top 5 in the NFL in no particular order
I hate to say it but you can add guys like PLAX and even Ocho Cinco to that list.
They require extra attention.
And I was being sarcastic about Lorenzo Neal. I wanted him in the off-season when the Eagles were busy signing guys like 3rd string TEs like Wilson.
I still fail to see how WR is at the top of anyone's list. A star would be great, but adding some play-makers to the defensive front seven, adding a runningback and getting some youth on the offensive line are all more important issues.
I fail to see how anyone can look at the Eagles running game and think they dont need help there immediately
yes Shawn Andrews back would help on the left, but the right side and J. Jackson completely suck at run blocking
Quote from: rjs246 on January 19, 2009, 12:17:09 PM
I still fail to see how WR is at the top of anyone's list. A star would be great, but adding some play-makers to the defensive front seven, adding a runningback and getting some youth on the offensive line are all more important issues.
Of course but you know that even if they sign/draft a 2nd back they wont run nearly enough to be effective. And at this point I have completely given up on them every building a Dline that produce pressure on its own.
Still those are the biggest needs. I just wish some new talent evaluator was making the choices. Someone like Parcells.
we don't need a wideout in the draft. we need a stud number 1 via free agency & a proven linebacker or 2.
Quote from: mussa on January 19, 2009, 09:58:47 AM
Steve Smith, Fitz, Boldin, Moss and Andre Johnson - there is your top 5 in the NFL in no particular order
Agreed but there is a HUGE drop off after Fitz, Moss and Johnson.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 19, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 19, 2009, 12:17:09 PM
I just wish some new talent evaluator was making the choices. Someone like Parcells.
What the farg has that load done since 1990 that Andy hasn't done. He is an over-rated piece of shtein.
Quote from: mussa on January 19, 2009, 01:02:38 PM
we don't need a wideout in the draft. we need a stud number 1 via free agency & a proven linebacker or 2.
Boldin wants out of AZ and Karlos Dansby is scheduled to be a FA.
id sign both...leagues ahead of what we have now
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 19, 2009, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 19, 2009, 01:02:38 PM
we don't need a wideout in the draft. we need a stud number 1 via free agency & a proven linebacker or 2.
Boldin wants out of AZ and Karlos Dansby is scheduled to be a FA.
They would never do it. Boldin would require a 1st round draft pick. So that is automatically out of the question.
Dansby would mean admitting Gaither and or Gocong are not all that great. I mean the team knows this but they will give them another year to try to prove it.
gaither is done...they already replaced him with an undrafted player...gocong i agree they are gonna be stubborn with and never admit he shouldnt be starting...and thats because he is their special project
Gaither was very dissapointing this year...but he's a good 4th guy to have.
Gocong improved later in the year this year....Will never be spectacular or a real play maker, but can be pretty solid. They're wise in getting him off the field in obvious passing situations (unless it's to rush the passer).
Bradley is good in the middle.
Although Akeem Jordan stepped in and did fine in the WIL....what they need is a play making, able to drop back in coverage AND blitz the QB like they havn't had at WIL since Willie T. I'm running through the guys they've had in my head at that spot since W. Thomas left and it's very laughable....Barry Gardner. Heh.
A play making stud WIL next to an above average with upside MLB in Stewart and a somewhat solid yet unspectacular guy at SAM, and they'd be fine. Not to mention Gaither and Jordan would be great back ups to have if one of them has to miss a game or two.
And farg it, get Mays some playing time....
Get Suggs.
i still say draft a fat farg DT. the small dt's (walker, patterson) forcing you to blitz the mike (trot, bradley) every. god. damn. time doesn't work. if there was a good fat farg in the draft like ngata, i'm all for it. then andy could move laws to te or whatever the farg goes on in reids head. these small ass dt's don't get it done. i want a dt that plays on the other LOS and creates pressure without a mike right next to him. (and yes i know patterson has had a few bright spots - he could be put in on passing situations). i'm sick of this fastballs high motor shtein.
Yeah, when I think of the needs of this team, a fat DT is right up there at the top of the list.
Draft Countdown's latest mock has them taking Shady and Eben Britton (Arizona OT), but the top RB Knowshon Moreno was at #21 to Arizona
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 20, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
i still say draft a fat farg DT. the small dt's (walker, patterson) forcing you to blitz the mike (trot, bradley) every. god. damn. time doesn't work. if there was a good fat farg in the draft like ngata, i'm all for it. then andy could move laws to te or whatever the farg goes on in reids head. these small ass dt's don't get it done. i want a dt that plays on the other LOS and creates pressure without a mike right next to him. (and yes i know patterson has had a few bright spots - he could be put in on passing situations). i'm sick of this fastballs high motor shtein.
I agree. We haven't had a wide body on the dline since, well since, let's see, maybe never.. Big plug in the middle would be a step in the right direction.
Please don't bring up Ngata. I thought for sure we had him in the draft. Oh man he would have been sweet on the birds dline
I'll give these LB's one more year. They improved drastically as the year went on and my god this was their first year together and than you take Gaither out and insert Jordan. I think we'll be ok at LB.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 20, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
I'll give these LB's one more year. They improved drastically as the year went on and my god this was their first year together and than you take Gaither out and insert Jordan. I think we'll be ok at LB.
The four 'starting' LBs combined for 5.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and 1 INT this year. Gag.
Enough with being okay with these linebackers, its almost as bad as the WR position. This position has been neglected for the past few years and I'm sick of it. Look at other top teams, they got at least one play making LB, we have zero! I'm not okay with this project BS, they need a jaw breaker at LB who's got experience. Bradley might have the brightest future, but lets face it he's not the future. He replaced Gaither and Gaither got replaced by Jordan, both of those guys, not the future, not even close. I want a stud out of college and I want a stud from the NFL to come right in.
We have 2 first rounders still don't we? Could we use one of them for Boldin and package it with Lito?
I mean hell, just look within our division. Our LB's and WR's don't even hold a candle to what the taterskins, Cowboys and Giants have or had the past few years. How are we supposed to compete when our division rivals are better than we are there?
If there's a silver lining to the loss it's that I love the draft and the Eagles have the 21st and 28th pick. Damn shame Carolina couldn't do their part.
Settle down, mussa.
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
I mean hell, just look within our division. Our LB's and WR's don't even hold a candle to what the taterskins, Cowboys and Giants have or had the past few years. How are we supposed to compete when our division rivals are better than we are there?
I agree with you, but we did ok this year making it to the nfc championship.Could you imagine how good we would be if these positions mattered to our FO? >:D
i'm all for a badass LB...esp. WLB.
but keep in mind you can only put on so many numbers when you are constantly bllitzing the mike. get some fatties up front and let them roam. not saying this group would be pro bowlers but it would at least throw bradley some more room and don't make him blitz all the time. which could then help in some bracket/zone coverage, esp. for TE's
don't know what sites are good for ufa's, but if crazy ass haynesworth is a FA, get that cleat stomping on heads mother farger! = super bowl. throwing in a dansby wouldn't hurt.
With the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks is it possible to package them up and get in the top 5 or top 10?
Quote from: stalker on January 22, 2009, 12:46:21 AM
With the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks is it possible to package them up and get in the top 5 or top 10?
Of course but this FO will make a package and trade out of the first round.
Quote from: stalker on January 22, 2009, 12:46:21 AM
With the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks is it possible to package them up and get in the top 5 or top 10?
no
the eagles picks could get them in the top ten...it would obviously be in the 7-8-9-10 range but they have enough ammo to do it if they can find the right siutation
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 08:12:01 AM
the eagles picks could get them in the top ten...it would obviously be in the 7-8-9-10 range but they have enough ammo to do it if they can find an idiot GM/owner who would actually do it.
I don't remember the draft chart mathematics specifically, but I don't think their picks add up to enough to get up that high do they?
EDIT: Check that... apparently, their picks add up to 1460 pts, which almost gets them to 7 which is worth 1500 pts.
for some reason i think it only gets them in teh 13-20 range
the reason is that you are not smart
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
Eagles have 21st(800pts) and 28th(660) overall picks or 1460pts ... That gets them to 8th overall according to the chart.
screw that gay chart...two picks in the 20's can def get you up there...especially in this draft which is considered weak at the top...christ aaron maybin might be a top ten pick
I'd rather just stay put. Some good RBs and offensive lineman will be there around the selections. No reason to trade up. For a team that was just to an NFCCG I'll take two more first round picks to the team.
I think the eagles should draft some players who are not as highly skilled as others and not just pick black football players. wait a minute our front office is the government :paranoid farg no wonder we never win anything.
you are gay
No wonder I'm so popular at the kkk rallies
repressed homosexuals all
If you have an EMB login, Tommy (ge99) started his annual topic on players the Eagles have met, brought to Philly, etc.
hi (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=533341)
Included in his first batch of names are Maualuga, Pettigrew, Graham Harrell and Clay Matthews Jr.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
If you have an EMB login, Tommy (ge99) started his annual topic on players the Eagles have met, brought to Philly, etc.
hi (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=533341)
Included in his first batch of names are Maualuga, Pettigrew, Graham Harrell and Clay Matthews Jr.
No thanks too close to Mamula :puke
yup, pass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGNJox8eLpE)
Pettigrew>Gresham
Mel Kiper's mock on Sportscenter has them getting Beanie Wells and the OT from Old Miss....
Edit: nm, didn't see this already being discussed in the NFL section.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 22, 2009, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
If you have an EMB login, Tommy (ge99) started his annual topic on players the Eagles have met, brought to Philly, etc.
hi (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=533341)
Included in his first batch of names are Maualuga, Pettigrew, Graham Harrell and Clay Matthews Jr.
No thanks too close to Mamula :puke
The only thing worse than Mamula is
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25. Jon Harris, DE, Philadelphia Eagles (1997)
Billy Milner and Terrence Flagler were two busts. Johnny Rodgers is in the mix, too, but Harris lives in infamy in the minds of Eagles fans. Once proclaimed as another Ed "Too Tall" Jones by then coach Ray Rhodes, Harris wasn't even as good as Jones' shadow. It was an odd pick in the first place. Harris had started only 19 games in college and had the résumé of a middle-round prospect. He stunk it up with the Eagles and was dealt to Green Bay before the 1999 season in exchange for their own first-round bust from the 1996 draft, John Michels. But Harris never made the team, and ended up in forced retirement after only two seasons and two sacks.
I love Alphonso Smith but they shouldn't be spending a first round pick on a CB, which is what it would require to get him.
if B.J. Raji is any good. get him. a 1 and a 3 or whatever it takes. this is me just looking at his weight and some (crappy) mel kiper and espn info. but still. never happen with that stud laws we have and blitzing our mike bc of patterson.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 23, 2009, 05:43:36 PM
I love Alphonso Smith but they shouldn't be spending a first round pick on a CB, which is what it would require to get him.
He's as good as picked by Reidco then.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 23, 2009, 05:43:36 PM
I love Alphonso Smith but they shouldn't be spending a first round pick on a CB, which is what it would require to get him.
Lito's gonna be gone and Blowselio is an UFA. Jack Batguano is still a long shot because of the injury deal.
They better at least think about CB unless they somehow address it in FA again (which I doubt they will).
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Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 24, 2009, 06:55:27 PM
if B.J. Raji is any good. get him. a 1 and a 3 or whatever it takes. this is me just looking at his weight and some (crappy) mel kiper and espn info. but still. never happen with that stud laws we have and blitzing our mike bc of patterson.
Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan on Sirius are very big on this guy and were talking about this him at the Senior Bowl and said he was a men among boys out there, strong as hell, and blowing past everyone.
I wouldnt have a problem going DT for a guy like this--but the Eagles having bigger concerns
Did anyone see the Senior Bowl? Once again the NFL Network strikes again.
Again?
Again they again strike again, again.
Not again.
they gave the MVP to a QB that won't play QB in the NFL
Good article. All of the QB's mentioned are the antithesis of McNabb (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0901/superbowl.qb.bestgames/content.1.html)
mcnabb in conference championships and superbowls
1 win
5 losses
9 td
9 int
avg qb rating 72
(overall playoff qb rating 80)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2009, 08:17:43 AM
mcnabb in conference championships and superbowls
1 win
5 losses
9 td
9 int
avg qb rating 72
(overall playoff qb rating 80)
So what QB available gives us a better shot at winning it all?
Stop using that bullshtein logic to defend McNabb/Reid. Sticking with mediocrity simply because no one else is guaranteed to do better is asinine.
one that wouldnt avg an awful 72 qb rating in those games....one that would have more td passes than int's
that cant be to difficult to find can it?...i mean people like jake delomme rex grossman trent dilfer matt hasselbeck and brad edwards have all made as many superbowls as mcnabb....and im quite certain all of them would have won at least one sb out of the five different times the eagles have made the conf. championship
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2009, 08:53:11 AM
Stop using that bullshtein logic to defend McNabb/Reid. Sticking with mediocrity simply because no one else is guaranteed to do better is asinine.
its all they got cause at this point there really is no defense
The IGY's of the world will sit there and show his stats and bash the guy for not winning or performing well. Then others will say he didn't have weapons to execute or coach who called the game well. I think alittle of both, the guy shows tendency to perform bad when under pressure, physically and mentally. He seems to do best when not pressured and not asked to pass the ball 50 times a game and the stats have shown that when they run the ball they win. Why this aspect of the game isn't taken seriously is beyond me. What's even more disturbing is even with a west coast offense they still don't go out and try to get the best possible guys they can get to fill the roles, like a true #1 receiver first and foremost.
Bob Grotz:
QuoteBut their taste in college prospects has begun to leak out.
The Eagles love Jason Smith (6-5, 300), the offensive tackle out of Baylor according to ESPN.com. Smith has started at left and right tackle and runs like the converted tight end he is, having blazed a 5.06 40-yard dash. It might take the 21st and 28th overall picks in the first round of the draft, and then some to trade up enough to land the prospect considered a top 10 pick, at worst.
Smith and 331 other collegians have been invited to Indy to undergo medical, psychological and physical testing at the combine.
With the unresolved status of Thomas, 34, and Runyan, 35, the latter coming off knee surgery, the Eagles likely will address the line in the April 25-26 NFL Draft.
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock sees a lot of Ryan Clady in Smith. Clady, a first-round pick last spring, had a stellar rookie season with the Denver Broncos. Mayock calls Smith "A very athletic kid.
"He can be a good pass blocker on day one," Mayock said. "I think it's the kind of draft that even in the early 20s and the late 20s you can get some pretty good football players there depending on what you're looking for. Or, typical of Andy and Joe Banner, you can package them and move up if there was somebody there that he really liked. And you know Andy; he'll move up or move down. He rarely stays static."
eagles havent had a number one pick since broderick bunkley
two #1s to move up for Jason Smith? hell no
That is absolutely something that Reid would do for better or worse.
If he makes it to the 10 area they might be able to offer their 2nd and 21st for him. With their history of 2nd round picks it would make it all that much better.
they can also throw in Lito to move up a few spots
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 18, 2009, 06:59:48 PM
they can also throw in Lito to move up a few spots in the fourth round
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 18, 2009, 06:59:48 PM
they can also throw in Lito to move up a few spots
Justice is probably more of a bargaining chip right now.
Yeah I'm sure the sackmaster is in high demand.
Lito and Justice for a 6th in 2010.
I think Lito should bring at least a 4th or maybe a third round pick. It is hard to say with these in demand positions because their market can vary widely. Christ, they got picks for Josh Parry and Artis Hicks so who knows? If Terence Newman blows a knee out during game one and is put on IR, Jerruh probably gives a second for Lito. Some of those games still come back to haunt him.
They moved up a few spots in the 4th for Artis Hicks. That's it.
This team has too many holes to fill to spend both first round picks on a tackle unless they address everything in FA. :-D
They need an OT/RB/FS/TE and that's with not even addressing WR and pretending the LBs are as good as the FO says they are.
I suppose I'd be happy with bringing in Scaife, resigning one of Tra or Runyan, spending one of the two firsts on an OT and the other on either Pettigrew (if they didn't pick up Scaife) or Moreno (if they did) and their 2nd round pick on whichever position they didn't select (RB/FS).
I also am not sure how thrilled I am about bringing in Housh but I'd much rather sign him than Ocho Cinco. Jackson needs to develop into more of a deep threat then he was this year to make Houshmanzadeh really worthwhile though. He's the best possession receiver in the league--but the Eagles need a pure burner. Jackson has the speed, but until the end of the season showed zero consistency on any deep routes. For Housh to be really valuable they need someone other defenses have to adjust for vertically.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 19, 2009, 11:15:19 AM
They moved up a few spots in the 4th for Artis Hicks. That's it.
Are you comparing Lito to Artis Hicks??
No, you were.
I'd keep Lito if they're not getting at least a 3rd for him. He's a veteran playmaker with a cap friendly deal. I think he still has more value than he's being given credit for.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 19, 2009, 11:15:19 AM
They moved up a few spots in the 4th for Artis Hicks. That's it.
They also got a 6th round pick which together gave the equivalent of an early to mid 5th rounder, right about where they got Trent Cole the year before.
I'm kinda likin' Brian Robiskie from Ohio State this weekend at the combine. He would be a guy I'd like to see them take a shot on.
he's avant
FWIW Spadaro (who knows nothing about college football) has been drooling over Pettigrew the last 3 days
I guess with his slow 40 at the combine he could easily be there for the Eagles pick.
He can come in and teach the other TE's how to block
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 02:41:24 PM
FWIW Spadaro (who knows nothing about college football) has been drooling over Pettigrew the last 3 days
Which means they have zero intention of drafting him.
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2009, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 02:41:24 PM
FWIW Spadaro (who knows nothing about college football) has been drooling over Pettigrew the last 3 days
Which means absolutely nothing either way.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 02:41:24 PM
FWIW Spadaro (who knows nothing about college football) has been drooling over Pettigrew the last 3 days
I think he slips to 28 at this point
pettigrew and shady would be an amazing first round haul
William Moore interview on DraftCountdown.com (http://www.draftcountdown.com/interviews/William-Moore/William-Moore.php)
QuoteScott Wright: What current NFL safety do you most admire and who do you think you compare favorably to?
William Moore: Brian Dawkins
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Scott Wright: Who was your favorite college or pro team growing up? Did you have a favorite player?
William Moore: MU college and Philly Eagles / Saints in the pros. My favorite players were Barry Sanders and Brian Dawkins.
Scott Wright: What current pro are you looking forward to going up against in the NFL?
William Moore: Terrell Owens.
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Scott Wright: What is the most embarrassing song on your iPod?
William Moore: Phil Collins - "In the Air Tonight"
Scott Wright: Do you have any goals in mind when it comes to the NFL Draft?
William Moore: Yes, to be the first safety off the board.
Scott Wright: It's obviously still early but is there one or two teams in particular that you've noticed paying more attention to you than others? Is there a specific team that you think you'd fit in well with?
William Moore: Yes, the Eagles, Patriots, and Saints.
He will have to change his name to Quintin.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2009, 10:53:56 AM
He will have to change his name to Quintin.
dont be ridiculous...quilliam is fine
vigy made a funnee
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Liberty RB Rashad Jennings has a workout with the Philadelphia Eagles scheduled for Tuesday, March 10.
this dude ran a solid 40 time at ProDay with a 4.4 and 4.5 and pumped out 29 reps on the press-- and is a pretty big dude at 6'1 230
umm--yes please
Quote from: reese125 on March 10, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Liberty RB Rashad Jennings has a workout with the Philadelphia Eagles scheduled for Tuesday, March 10.
this dude ran a solid 40 time at ProDay with a 4.4 and 4.5 and pumped out 29 reps on the press-- and is a pretty big dude at 6'1 230
umm--yes please
Daddy like!
I've heard several pundits and know it alls express the likelihood of the Birds using a pick on this cat. In other words, it will never happen.
hes much closer to 4.6+ speed than 4.5....and 4.4 is just laughable
eagles could certainly take him because hes a second day 3rd or fourth round type
Judging from the apparent will to rebuild, you can bet that they will be looking for the next Westbrook, or at the very least to lessen Westbrooks workload in an attempt to extend his career.
I have seen this kid mentioned in a few mocks and would love the pick.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 10, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
Judging from the apparent will to rebuild, you can bet that they will be looking for the next Westbrook, or at the very least to lessen Westbrooks workload in an attempt to extend his career.
I have seen this kid mentioned in a few mocks and would love the pick.
hes the complete opposite of westbrook...he would be an attempt at making amends for the tony hunt pick not replace westbrook
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2009, 03:10:11 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 10, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
Judging from the apparent will to rebuild, you can bet that they will be looking for the next Westbrook, or at the very least to lessen Westbrooks workload in an attempt to extend his career.
I have seen this kid mentioned in a few mocks and would love the pick.
hes the complete opposite of westbrook...he would be an attempt at making amends for the tony hunt pick not replace westbrook
By "next Westbrook" I only meant the next featured back. This kid is a horse, and has the potential to be a featured back. From what I have seen and read he is not going to be a situational RB, the guy you only send in on 3rd and 1's. He can be an every down player.
theres a serious question as to whether he can be a featured back period...theres no chance hes ever andy reids featured back unless he changes his entire offensive philosophy
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2009, 03:28:05 PM
theres a serious question as to whether he can be a featured back period...theres no chance hes ever andy reids featured back unless he changes his entire offensive philosophy
Isn't there a serious question about every draft pick going into the draft? You're stating the obvious.
This kid can run and catch. That makes him a AR type back. It's not like he is Jacobs who is 6'4 and 270.
technically yes...but he has some serious issues that could spell complete bust...weight to begin with...hes a guy that could be eddie george or he could be tony hunt
his catching is just ok but he cant block is not overly fast and could not ever be split out wide or create mismatches against backers and safeties which reid covets
wow youre reaching hard
stop dwelling on the cons youre reading igy--they are on almost every rb and player in the draft which could spell "bust"
you take his his most important attributes he possesses (40 time of a 4.52 at Pro Day and bench press alone) analyze the skill drills he performed at the combine and pro day and build off that. There are many scouts that are saying he showed the best all-around skills in the rb class--and I wouldnt doubt he goes 2nd rd
he can go in any round he wants...fact is hes a borderline top five running back in this draft and has more negatives than a lot of guys...doesnt mean he wont be a good nfl player just means he has a higher chance to be an outright bust
and i can guarantee as long as andy reid is coach of the eagles he wont be their #1 back
Quote
FLACCO WILL THROW TO HEYWARD-BEY
Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2009, 11:02 a.m.
The Baltimore Ravens, who are now possibly looking for wideouts to go along with the young quarterback around whom they'll build their offense for the next decade, will take a close look later this month at Maryland receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
According to the Baltimore Sun, the team will have quarterback Joe Flacco throw passes to Heyward-Bey during the March 23 session.
The Sun reports that the Eagles, Bucs, Rams, and Vikings also plan to conduct private sessions with Heyward-Bey.
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COLLIE IMPRESSES AT BYU PRO DAY
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 12, 2009, 1:29 p.m.
Brigham Young wide receiver Austin Collie opened a few eyes of NFL teams at his campus Pro Day, "wowing scouts with his catching ability," according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.
Collie, 24, measured in at 6-foot-1, 196 pounds and turned in respectable 40-yard dash times of 4.53 and 4.54 seconds. He also registered a 4.07 short shuttle drill.
Like many BYU players, Collie is older than your typical NFL prospect because he served a Mormon mission while in college.
Per the article, Cincinnati Bengals running backs coach Jim Anderson worked out running back Fui Vakapuna.
Vakapuna is a fullback prospect at 5-11, 244 pounds with 4.83 speed, a 34-inch vertical leap and 29 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press test.
Reid just got a chubby and doesn't know why...
On Sirius today, Kenny Britt was on with Kirwin and said he talked to AR for a full hour. Reid wanted to know about his family, backround etc. He also said Reid "has a big personality." Went on to say he's been working out with Stafford about 3 times a week. He's really 6' 2.5" not 6-4, and put up some real nice numbers as a junior last year - 87/1371/7. His '07 numbers were in the same ball park.
Everybody pumped to KICK BUTT in the draft?
Wyche @ NFL.com says the Eagles are trying to trade up for one of the OTs...
Wouldn't doubt they're aiming for Jason Smith but I think he goes top 5
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MICHIGAN'S JOHNSON PUTS ON A SHOW
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 15, 2009, 9:25 a.m.
University of Michigan strongman defensive tackle Will Johnson flexed his muscles at his campus Pro Day in a performance reminiscent of weightlifters Hans and Franz of old Saturday Night Live fame.
Johnson bench pressed 225 pounds a staggering 47 times, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com. It's believed to be a record for an incoming NFL draft prospect, according to NFL Draft Scout.
The 6-foot-4, 281-pound defensive lineman ran the 40-yard dash in 5.07 and 5.1 seconds, had a 9-4 broad jump, a 4.61 time in the short shuttle and a 7.5 in the three-cone drill.
Meanwhile, defensive end Tim Jamison ran a 4.95 and a 4.99 in the 40-yard dash with a 4.60 in the short shuttle and a 7.40 in the three-cone drill.
(http://www.mgoblue.com/uploadedImages/Sports/Football/Articles/2000s/2008-2009/News_Releases/johnson-031309_300.jpg)
Wow.
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Wow.
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Exactly. Pass on the workout warrior that will go higher than his playing ability deserves.
He's not even a top 25 defensive tackle prospect so comparing him to Mamula is stupid on my part, but still...
Undersized strong defensive tackle?
Consider him an Eagle. 5th round.
Eagles grab him with one of their 4ths, and then flip him to OG
Then move Andrews or Cole to FB. Yes!
Quote from: Rome on March 15, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
He's not even a top 25 defensive tackle prospect so comparing him to Mamula is stupid on my part, but still...
Only reason I posted it was because 47 reps of 225 is sick. Doing 3 or for sets of ten, I can get, but 47 straight is pretty nuts. Dude probably sucks at football though for all I know.
Eugene Monroe was on Sirius NFL yesterday with Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan and said he visited NovaCare for a private workout. Most have him as a top 10 pick....
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Quote from: BigEd76 on March 18, 2009, 12:40:37 AM
Eugene Monroe was on Sirius NFL yesterday with Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan and said he visited NovaCare for a private workout. Most have him as a top 10 pick....
Tim Ryan the Congressman, or Alex Ryan the Center from Cali? Most mocks I have seen have him going 28th or later.
what about ryan parent having no kids?
hey Don Ho... Saw this on another board figured you'd like this.
QuoteComing to Philly
OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick
Special Comments of Interest
* Knowshon Moreno said that the Chargers and Eagles showed the most interest in him at the Combine.
* Hakeem Nicks..."Among the coaches I met today were Bill Belichik and Andy Reid, who said I would look good with some wings on my helmet."
* William Moore continues to say the Eagles showed him a lot of interest and that he thinks he'd be a great fit here and wants to play for the Eagles.
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OFFENSE
QB Graham Harrell - Texas Tech ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB Rhett Bomar - Sam Houston State ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB Nathan Brown - Central Arkansas ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB John White - Bentley (also a P) ... college visit
FB Eric Kettani - Navy ... met with him at Senior Bowl
FB Maurice Manley - Mesa State ... talked to his coach
FB Tony Fiametta - Syracuse ... Eagles reportedly looking hard at him
RB Knowshon Moreno - Georgia .... met with him at the Combine
RB Devin Moore - Wyoming ... attended private workout in Indy (outside of Combine)
RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... met with him at the Combine
RB Donald Brown - UConn ... private workout
RB Rashad Jennings - Liberty ... private workout
WR Hakeem Nicks - UNC ... met with him at the Combine
WR Kenny Britt - Rutgers ... met Andy at a banquet & has private workout set up with team
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey - Maryland... attended his Pro Day ... private workout is set up
WR Quinten Lawrence - McNeese State ... attended his Pro Day
WR Deon Butler - Penn State .... said Eagles were showing interest, also a private workout
WR Johnny Knox - Abilene Christian ... private workout
WR Louis Murphy - Florida ... private workout
WR Derrick Williams - Penn State ... private workout
WR Jordan Norwood - Penn State ... private workout
TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State - 6'5, 263 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
TE Zach Miller - Nebraska-Omaha
TE Jared Cook - South Carolina ... "showing interest"
TE Jared Bronson - Central Washington ... private workout
T Phil Loadholt - Oklahoma ... met with him at the Combine
T Chris Rutledge - Miami ... Eagles attended his Pro Day, showed interest
T Andre Smith - Alabama ... private meeting
T Dallas Reynolds - BYU ... showing interest ... could play G or C
T Kyle Link - McNeese State ... attended his Pro Day
T Jason Watkins - Florida ... showing interest
G/C Anthony Parker - Tennessee ... met with him at Senior Bowl
G Andy Levitre - Oregon State ... met with him at the Combine
G Andy Kemp - Wisconsin ... met with Eagles coaches
G Greg Isdaner - West Va ... private workout
G Louis Vasquez - Texas Tech ... private workout
C Juan Garcia - Washington ... met with him at the Combine
C Max Unger - Oregon ... met with him at the Combine
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DEFENSE
DE Larry English - Northern Illinois - 6'2, 254
DE Everette Brown - Florida State ... met with him at the Combine
DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... private workout / meeting
DE J.D. Skolnitsky - James Madison .... attended his Pro Day
DT Vance Walker - Georgia Tech ... met with him at the Combine
MLB Rey Maualuga - USC ... met with him at Senior Bowl
MLB Frantz Joseph - Fla. Atlantic ... Eagles attended his Pro Day (might be WLB in our system)
LB Clint Sintim - Virginia - 6'2, 254 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
LB Tyrone McKenzie - USF - 6'2, 235 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
LB Clay Matthews - USC - 6'2, 247 ... met with him at Senior Bowl and Combine
LB Cody Brown - UConn - 6'2, 246 ... met with him at Senior Bowl (played DE, but we looked at him as SAM)
LB Jason Williams - Western Illinois ... met with him at his Pro Day & have a private workout scheduled
S/LB Nic Harris - Oklahoma - 6'2, 233 ... met with him at Senior Bowl and Combine
S William Moore - Missouri - ... met with him at Senior Bowl
S Chris Clemons - Clemson ... private workout
S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... private workout
CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest - 5'9, 193 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
CB Kevin Barnes - Maryland ... private workout
CB/RS Reggie Jones - Portland State ... private workout
LS Jake Ingram - Hawaii ... met with him at Senior Bowl
I want the Eagles to draft Rhett Bomar really bad.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 18, 2009, 10:23:18 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 18, 2009, 12:40:37 AM
Eugene Monroe was on Sirius NFL yesterday with Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan and said he visited NovaCare for a private workout. Most have him as a top 10 pick....
Tim Ryan the Congressman, or Alex Ryan the Center from Cali? Most mocks I have seen have him going 28th or later.
Alex Mack is the center.
I thought he died last year.
Well cross him off then.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 21, 2009, 10:58:02 AM
hey Don Ho... Saw this on another board figured you'd like this.
QuoteComing to Philly
OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick
Special Comments of Interest
* Knowshon Moreno said that the Chargers and Eagles showed the most interest in him at the Combine.
* Hakeem Nicks..."Among the coaches I met today were Bill Belichik and Andy Reid, who said I would look good with some wings on my helmet."
* William Moore continues to say the Eagles showed him a lot of interest and that he thinks he'd be a great fit here and wants to play for the Eagles.
_____________________________________________
OFFENSE
QB Graham Harrell - Texas Tech ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB Rhett Bomar - Sam Houston State ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB Nathan Brown - Central Arkansas ... met with him at Senior Bowl
QB John White - Bentley (also a P) ... college visit
FB Eric Kettani - Navy ... met with him at Senior Bowl
FB Maurice Manley - Mesa State ... talked to his coach
FB Tony Fiametta - Syracuse ... Eagles reportedly looking hard at him
RB Knowshon Moreno - Georgia .... met with him at the Combine
RB Devin Moore - Wyoming ... attended private workout in Indy (outside of Combine)
RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... met with him at the Combine
RB Donald Brown - UConn ... private workout
RB Rashad Jennings - Liberty ... private workout
WR Hakeem Nicks - UNC ... met with him at the Combine
WR Kenny Britt - Rutgers ... met Andy at a banquet & has private workout set up with team
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey - Maryland... attended his Pro Day ... private workout is set up
WR Quinten Lawrence - McNeese State ... attended his Pro Day
WR Deon Butler - Penn State .... said Eagles were showing interest, also a private workout
WR Johnny Knox - Abilene Christian ... private workout
WR Louis Murphy - Florida ... private workout
WR Derrick Williams - Penn State ... private workout
WR Jordan Norwood - Penn State ... private workout
TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State - 6'5, 263 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
TE Zach Miller - Nebraska-Omaha
TE Jared Cook - South Carolina ... "showing interest"
TE Jared Bronson - Central Washington ... private workout
T Phil Loadholt - Oklahoma ... met with him at the Combine
T Chris Rutledge - Miami ... Eagles attended his Pro Day, showed interest
T Andre Smith - Alabama ... private meeting
T Dallas Reynolds - BYU ... showing interest ... could play G or C
T Kyle Link - McNeese State ... attended his Pro Day
T Jason Watkins - Florida ... showing interest
G/C Anthony Parker - Tennessee ... met with him at Senior Bowl
G Andy Levitre - Oregon State ... met with him at the Combine
G Andy Kemp - Wisconsin ... met with Eagles coaches
G Greg Isdaner - West Va ... private workout
G Louis Vasquez - Texas Tech ... private workout
C Juan Garcia - Washington ... met with him at the Combine
C Max Unger - Oregon ... met with him at the Combine
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DEFENSE
DE Larry English - Northern Illinois - 6'2, 254
DE Everette Brown - Florida State ... met with him at the Combine
DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... private workout / meeting
DE J.D. Skolnitsky - James Madison .... attended his Pro Day
DT Vance Walker - Georgia Tech ... met with him at the Combine
MLB Rey Maualuga - USC ... met with him at Senior Bowl
MLB Frantz Joseph - Fla. Atlantic ... Eagles attended his Pro Day (might be WLB in our system)
LB Clint Sintim - Virginia - 6'2, 254 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
LB Tyrone McKenzie - USF - 6'2, 235 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
LB Clay Matthews - USC - 6'2, 247 ... met with him at Senior Bowl and Combine
LB Cody Brown - UConn - 6'2, 246 ... met with him at Senior Bowl (played DE, but we looked at him as SAM)
LB Jason Williams - Western Illinois ... met with him at his Pro Day & have a private workout scheduled
S/LB Nic Harris - Oklahoma - 6'2, 233 ... met with him at Senior Bowl and Combine
S William Moore - Missouri - ... met with him at Senior Bowl
S Chris Clemons - Clemson ... private workout
S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... private workout
CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest - 5'9, 193 ... met with him at Senior Bowl
CB Kevin Barnes - Maryland ... private workout
CB/RS Reggie Jones - Portland State ... private workout
LS Jake Ingram - Hawaii ... met with him at Senior Bowl
The Eagles have enough cap room but I'm not sure they have enough draft picks for those guys listed.
Quote from: NGM on March 21, 2009, 12:44:20 PM
I want the Eagles to draft Rhett Bomar really bad.
Why?
His dad was my HS coach for my freshman and sophomore years, then he took a job at Grand Prairie HS up by Dallas. Total dick.
I remember when he would have Rhett with him after school...he'd be out there throwing the ball. This was in 1994...damn I feel old.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 21, 2009, 10:58:02 AM
hey Don Ho... Saw this on another board figured you'd like this.
QuoteComing to Philly
LS Jake Ingram - Hawaii ... met with him at Senior Bowl
To bad we didn't pay more attention to him during the Hawaii Bowl.
Apparently he's attracting the attention of a lot of teams. Wonder if he can do magic?
The Eagles get no compensatory picks in this years draft per ESPN.
The Vadges get a third for Gibril Wilson?
WTF
i cant belive dawkins doesnt amount to anything
Pretty sure that'll show up next year.
This is for last year's free agents. The Pats got the top one for losing Samuel...
im a moron, i'll go kill myself
:-D
Banner and Co. must be furious. Thats why they let everyone walk.
Oh, and Andrews' signing probably cancels out the Dawk deal...Considine canceled out by Jones....so maybe they get something for losing Tra.
And Runyan, if he ever signs somewhere.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 23, 2009, 08:31:30 PM
im a moron, i'll go kill myself
Way to beat jewbacca to the punch.
Iowa RB Shonn Greene ran forty-yard dash times of 4.50 and 4.54 at the Hawkeyes' Pro Day.
It's a huge improvement from his 4.72 at the Combine. Greene also posted a 39" vertical (a two-inch improvement) and a 10'6" broad jump (five inches better), so clearly he's been working since a sub-par showing in Indy. Greene may have gotten himself back into the middle of the second-round mix.
need to scoop my boy up quick fast
No thanks on Tony Hunt part Deux
My intuition is telling me they're trading up to the top 10 for one of the tackles.
QuoteSammie Lee Hill Is Getting Around
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 4:10 p.m.
Little-known Sammie Lee Hill, a defensive tackle from Stillman College, quietly is getting noticed as the draft approaches.
A league source tells us that Hill, who some think could be picked as high as round two, has scheduled visits with the Jets, Eagles, Buccaneers, Chargers, and Steelers.
He also has met with the Patriots, Rams, and Chiefs.
At 6′4″ and 329 pounds, Hill has the size to play tackle in either the 4-3 or the 3-4 defensive alignments.
DT on day one? Seems to fit with the Reid drafting strategy.
Maybe we can line up all the DT's at the same time. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ATTACK THAT DEFENSE, BITCHES?!?
I think there comes a point when a team should realize they have maxed out its allotted roster spots at a certain position. And to me, that would have been when they signed a DT last year.....to play FB.
sounds like a taller Hollis
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2009, 09:16:46 AM
I think there comes a point when a team should realize they have maxed out its allotted roster spots at a certain position. And to me, that would have been when they signed a DT last year.....to play FB.
Maybe they want to sign this one to play tight end. Think outside the box, big guy.
kiper/mcshay eagle picks from their most recent mocks...
21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1)
Kiper pick: Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut -- Brown could end up being one of the more productive rookie backs in 2009 because of his all-around skills and tremendous character.
McShay pick: Knowshon Moreno -- Chris Wells would be a better complement to Brian Westbrook in the short term, but Moreno's versatility makes him a better fit to ultimately succeed Westbrook in the Eagles' pass-happy system. In the meantime, Moreno is fully capable of taking some of the load off Westbrook's shoulders.
28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1)
Kiper pick: Michael Oher -- Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He is loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay.
McShay pick: Eben Britton, OT, Arizona -- Britton has surprisingly quick feet for his size (6-foot-6, 309 pounds) and ultimately could develop into a better option than Winston Justice at the left tackle position vacated by Tre Thomas, who signed with the Jaguars.
pretty sure mds is a better option at LT than winston justice
I'd be thrilled with Moreno and Oher, but I have a feeling they're either trading up into the top 10 if one of the tackles is there or they'll do something from out in leftfield that leaves us all going wtf.
other than taking a QB i dont think theres anything they could do that would make me go wtf
defensive tackle
i dont think they would do it but it wouldnt be a wtf to me just because they love the position so much
No way the Eagles stay put in this draft. It's close to a stone cold mortal lock that they're packaging the two to go up into the top ten. If you do any sort of research into the last 20 years of first round picks you'll see that the pickings are slim from 20 to 30 in terms of getting impact players there. I'd have no problem with them going up especially if a guy like Crabtree or Jason Smith inexplicably falls outside the top five.
I'm not saying the Eagles won't break the trend and get two studs at 21 & 28 but history suggests they won't.
Mike Jenkins and Felix Jones.
ha...crabtree.
man when youre on youre on Romey
So there's no chance that he falls to six or seven?
Im not saying that at all...its the mere thought of the Eagles taking a WR that should of made you delete his name
drafting a wr is pretty funny but still possible...trading a number one (and other pick(s)) to move up and take a wr is comedy genius
If he's there and the Eagles have the opportunity to get him and don't they should burn the NovaCare down with everyone in it.
Since Fitzgerald was drafted in 04', only Braylon and Calvin Johnson have been Top 10 WR picks who have been worthy of the selection. Im not syaing Crabtree won't be worthy, but overall WR is a crapshoot...you can get em' anywhere.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2009, 03:49:40 PM
Since Fitzgerald was drafted in 04', only Braylon and Calvin Johnson have been Top 10 WR picks who have worthy of the selection. Im not syaing Crabtree won't be worthy, but overall WR is a crapshoot...you can get em' anywhere.
The Eagles clearly can not
the next Charles Rogers is ready and waiting to crush your teams future
Desean was a 2nd rounder. Just sayin...
So was Steve Smith and Ocho Cinco among a ton of others.
Welker was undrafted. The list goes on...
Quote from: reese125 on March 26, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
the next Charles Rogers is ready and waiting to crush your teams future
I was just reading a bio on that guy...his ass is back in the clink.
No doubt you are correct, Die-Hard. Unfortunately the Eagles aren't very adept at evaluating the position.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2009, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 26, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
the next Charles Rogers is ready and waiting to crush your teams future
I was just reading a bio on that guy...his ass is back in the clink.
yep--and he'll be out soon enough to farg up again...and stand in front of your kids classroom to warn them about the dangers of drugs and alcohol
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2009, 03:49:40 PM
Since Fitzgerald was drafted in 04', only Braylon and Calvin Johnson have been Top 10 WR picks who have been worthy of the selection. Im not syaing Crabtree won't be worthy, but overall WR is a crapshoot...you can get em' anywhere.
for the most part stud wr's do go high tho...they arent exactly running backs where you grab great ones real late...imo while rb and qb's rely on tons of other factors to succeed wr mostly rely on themselves to become great players so you really gotta go after the ones with the best measureables...which naturally gravitate to the first two rounds
that being said as much as i like him i dont think crabtree is the kind of guy you give up a first to get
Quote from: Rome on March 26, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
If he's there and the Eagles have the opportunity to get him and don't they should burn the NovaCare down with everyone in it.
i would by no means be upset with that...i might even cheer it...but sitting here in march and thinking it thru i cant agree
sorry buddy
If there's an undersized overrated offensive linemen available I have no doubt the fat boy will go after him. But that's a post for another thread.
I just hope Rome is right and they package two picks to move up, the higher they pick, the less chance they have of screwing it up.
nm
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
kiper/mcshay eagle picks from their most recent mocks...
21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1)
Kiper pick: Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut -- Brown could end up being one of the more productive rookie backs in 2009 because of his all-around skills and tremendous character.
McShay pick: Knowshon Moreno -- Chris Wells would be a better complement to Brian Westbrook in the short term, but Moreno's versatility makes him a better fit to ultimately succeed Westbrook in the Eagles' pass-happy system. In the meantime, Moreno is fully capable of taking some of the load off Westbrook's shoulders.
28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1)
Kiper pick: Michael Oher -- Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He is loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay.
McShay pick: Eben Britton, OT, Arizona -- Britton has surprisingly quick feet for his size (6-foot-6, 309 pounds) and ultimately could develop into a better option than Winston Justice at the left tackle position vacated by Tre Thomas, who signed with the Jaguars.
pretty sure mds is a better option at LT than winston justice
They'd be lucky to have either Oher or Britton available at 28, but I'd be happy with the pick.
Reid just said at the owners meetings that he thought Herremans should have gone to the PB. After the season he said Herremans was their best O-lineman. He was drafted as a LT, and he certainly seems to have the coaches trust. I think their plan is if one of the two tackles doesn't fall to them (unless maybe they just move up a few spots), Herremans will start at LT and either The Big Kid or The Big Adolescent plays RT.
To me Herremans always seemed like a better fit at tackle. Personally, I am not sold on any of the offensive tackles in this years draft other than Monroe. That is mainly because UVA linemen seem to play pretty well in the NFL. As far as the rest they all seem to have question marks. I think they need to go RB first and wouldn't care which of the top 4 it was.
Really? I cant say I've been impressed with D'Brick so far..
You can't coach size. But you can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 26, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
(unless maybe they just move up a few spots)
this is what i ultimately think they end up doing...rather than using one of the ones to move way up they wait and see how things fall and use the 10 non first round picks they have to move up and grab a guy who falls that they really like
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 26, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
kiper/mcshay eagle picks from their most recent mocks...
28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1)
Kiper pick: Michael Oher -- Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He is loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay.
McShay pick: Eben Britton, OT, Arizona -- Britton has surprisingly quick feet for his size (6-foot-6, 309 pounds) and ultimately could develop into a better option than Winston Justice at the left tackle position vacated by Tre Thomas, who signed with the Jaguars.[/i]
They'd be lucky to have either Oher or Britton available at 28, but I'd be happy with the pick.
Apparently Oher made some major improvements at his Pro Day going from a 5.3 to a 5.085 on his 40 time and upping his bench press to 24.
I know alot of mocks have him down there near the Eagles, but when I look at some of these teams before the their pick, they need OL help big time. Since hes one of the 3 best OT's in the draft--I think teams would be foolish to let interior talent like that slip by. I could see the Eagles making a switch here for this guy
I want a RB (Moreno or Shady) and Pettigrew.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2009, 06:48:03 PM
Really? I cant say I've been impressed with D'Brick so far..
I said pretty well, not dominant. Trying to predict what this team will do on draft day though is pretty much insane. There really isn't anything they could do that would shock me, even taking a Qb. And I am with you on that Phreak anyone of those 3 would make me happy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2009, 08:48:53 PM
I want a RB (Moreno or Shady) and Pettigrew.
As far as RB's go, I'd be thrilled with Moreno or Shady too. Can't quite put my finger on why, but I don't love Donald Brown though.
I think it's Steve Wyche's mock that has the Eagles getting Oher at 21 and Moreno at 28. I'd bust outta my pants.
PFT says Shady had a private workout with the Eagles, and they have one scheduled with Western Michigan safety Louis Delmas
Isn't Delmas the clown who scored like a 7 on the wonderlic?
QuoteMorgan State University nose tackle Lonnie Harvey had his pro-day last week, the only scout to show up was a representative of the Philadelphia Eagles. With the lack of publicity surrounding the M.S.U.'s Football program, Lonnie decided to have a camera crew follow him around during the workout and created a youtube highlight of the event. He displayed athleticism (at 6'3" and 346 lbs) and showed why teams are becoming more and more intrigued with a defensive linemen who can either play the nose in a 3-4 scheme or be that one or three technique in a 4-3 scheme. Currently projected as a latter round pick or priority free agent, Harvey has already secured workouts/visits with the Baltimore Ravens, Carolina Panther and Indianapolis Colts. The New England Patriots are the latest team to inquire about Lonnie, fitting since they might be looking to add depth behind Vince Wilfork on draft weekend.
It seems like the Eagles are looking to add a bigger tackle to the D-line rotation. Based on the DTs they've been visiting with, they are looking at guys in the later rounds. I'd be happy to see them add a guy just to clog the middle...
wheres kenyonta marshall when you need him
QuotePenn State's Ohrnberger On The Move
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 27, 2009, 1:09 p.m.
Penn State All-Big Ten Conference offensive guard Rich Ohrnberger has a private workout scheduled with the Philadelphia Eagles next week, according to a league source.
Ohrnberger also has visits set up with the Chicago Bears and the New York Giants.
Among the other teams that have shown interest in Ohrnberger: the New York Jets, Atlanta Falcons and New England Patriots.
A third-team All-American selection, Ohrnberger is listed at 6-foot-2, 301 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.15 seconds at the Nittany Lions' Pro Day and bench pressed 225 pounds 32 times.
Ohrnberger has started 34 consecutive games at guard, but the New York native is also capable of playing center.
Quote from: Rome on March 26, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
If there's an undersized overrated offensive linemen available I have no doubt the fat boy will go after him. But that's a post for another thread.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 27, 2009, 03:46:48 PM
QuotePenn States Ohrnberger On The Move
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 27, 2009, 1:09 p.m.
Penn State All-Big Ten Conference offensive guard Rich Ohrnberger has a private workout scheduled with the Philadelphia Eagles next week, according to a league source.
Ohrnberger also has visits set up with the Chicago Bears and the New York Giants.
Among the other teams that have shown interest in Ohrnberger: the New York Jets, Atlanta Falcons and New England Patriots.
A third-team All-American selection, Ohrnberger is listed at 6-foot-2, 301 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.15 seconds at the Nittany Lions Pro Day and bench pressed 225 pounds 32 times.
Ohrnberger has started 34 consecutive games at guard, but the New York native is also capable of playing center.
He's could battle it out with Mike Gibson for that 4th guard spot. Riveting.
(http://www.napavalleyregister.com/content/articles/2008/05/31/sports/doc4840e35faa74b627294558.jpg)
Team Gibson says he's ready to get in there and compete
QuoteSleeper Tight End Nalbone Drawing NFL Interest
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 28, 2009, 1:04 p.m.
Small-school tight end John Nalbone is looking to follow in the footsteps of former Monmouth teammate and current Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Miles Austin into the NFL.
Nalbone will visit the New York Jets on April 9. He has also scheduled a private workout with the Philadelphia Eagles and is in the process of setting up more visits and workouts.
At 6′4″, 256 pounds, Nalbone has intriguing 4.57 speed in the 40-yard dash and caught 101 career passes for 1,273 yards and nine touchdowns. He has bench pressed 225 pounds 22 times and registered a 33-inch vertical leap with a 9-10 broad jump.
"I think that he has all of the measurables NFL teams are looking for in terms of height, weight, speed, movement and athleticism," Monmouth coach Kevin Callahan told the Asbury Park Press. "They look at him as a guy with a tremendous amount of upside.
"You look back three years ago with Miles Austin, that's what they saw. A big, physical receiver with great hands, who they thought still had room for development, so they're similar in that regard."
As a senior, Nalbone caught 42 passes for 491 yards and five touchdowns.
Wasn't there a John Nalbone who covered the Eagles for NJ.com?
PFT says the Eagles had a private workout with Boldin's younger brother D.J. (Wake Forest WR)
that's only a little bit riveting.
But Florio made the point that drafting Boldin the younger could be laying the groundwork to get Anquan. At first thought that was really a stretch, but then I thought of how they got Stacey Andrews and so forth, so the theory didn't seem all that far fetched.
MORE BROTHERS! SIGN DONOVAN'S BROTHER!
What about Byron Westbrook? They could make a sitcom on the NFL network. I'd watch! Tee-hee. lawlz
I'd watch Garrett and Britt Reid
call the show "Uncoachable"
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 29, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
that's only a little bit riveting.
But Florio made the point that drafting Boldin the younger could be laying the groundwork to get Anquan. At first thought that was really a stretch, but then I thought of how they got Stacey Andrews and so forth, so the theory didn't seem all that far fetched.
Except that by the time they would pick DJ, they would have already gotten Anquan (if he's going to be here) and there'd be no need for a charity pick.
5:25 AM?
Ouch.
At that time, I've been at work for an hour and a half, brudda...
Quote
Louisville Lineman In NFL Loop
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 31, 2009, 12:33 p.m.
Louisville center Eric Wood is expected to hear his name called at some point during the first day of the NFL draft.
The highly regarded offensive line prospect worked out for multiple NFL teams at his Pro Day and has already taken official visits with the Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns and the Atlanta Falcons, per Gil Brandt of NFL.com.
Plus, Wood has had private workouts for the Philadelphia Eagles and the Denver Broncos. The Pittsburgh Steelers have set up a workout with him, too.
New England Patriots offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia also attended Wood's workout.
Wood ran the 40-yard dash in 5.19 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine, bench pressing 225 pounds 30 times and turned in a 30 1/2 inch vertical leap.
QuoteSidbury In Demand
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 31, 2009, 12:09 p.m.
University of Richmond defensive end/outside linebacker Lawrence Sidbury drew a big NFL crowd to his campus Pro Day workout with 31 NFL teams in attendance, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.
That included Carolina Panthers General Manager Marty Hurney as well as the Cleveland Browns and Miami Dolphins' linebackers coaches as Baltimore Ravens linebackers coach Vic Fangio oversaw the workout drills.
At 6-foot-2, 265 pounds, Sidbury is regarded as a strong pass rushing candidate. He has visited the Buffalo Bills and has scheduled visits with the Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Tennessee Titans and St. Louis Rams.
Sidbury ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine, bench pressing 225 pounds 28 times and turned in a 35-inch vertical leap.
Last season, Sidbury posted 7 1/2 sacks. His workout numbers are superior to his production at this point, but NFL teams are enamored of Sidbury's potential.
QuoteA league source said today that Pitt running back LeSean McCoy will make a pre-draft visit with the Eagles.
McCoy, a star at Bishop McDevitt High School in Harrisburg, ran for 2,816 yards and 35 touchdowns in just two seasons with the Panthers. The 5-foot-11, 210-pound running back also proved to be a strong receiver coming out of the backfield with 65 career receptions for 549 yards.
Another league source said Chris "Beanie" Wells, the star running back from Ohio State, does not have a pre-draft visit scheduled in Philadelphia. The source said the Eagles did interview Wells at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. Wells finished his three-year career at Ohio State with 585 carries for 3,382 yards and 30 touchdowns.
Pre-draft visits do not always mean the Eagles intend to draft a player. There have been times when the Eagles have drafted a player in the first round even though that player did not visit the NovaCare Complex beforehand.
Per the Inky...I like this.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 30, 2009, 05:25:06 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 29, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
that's only a little bit riveting.
But Florio made the point that drafting Boldin the younger could be laying the groundwork to get Anquan. At first thought that was really a stretch, but then I thought of how they got Stacey Andrews and so forth, so the theory didn't seem all that far fetched.
Except that by the time they would pick DJ, they would have already gotten Anquan (if he's going to be here) and there'd be no need for a charity pick.
I got the sense from the blurb he was talking about getting Anquan later, perhaps not even this year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2009, 10:37:49 PM
QuoteA league source said today that Pitt running back LeSean McCoy will make a pre-draft visit with the Eagles.
McCoy, a star at Bishop McDevitt High School in Harrisburg, ran for 2,816 yards and 35 touchdowns in just two seasons with the Panthers. The 5-foot-11, 210-pound running back also proved to be a strong receiver coming out of the backfield with 65 career receptions for 549 yards.
Another league source said Chris "Beanie" Wells, the star running back from Ohio State, does not have a pre-draft visit scheduled in Philadelphia. The source said the Eagles did interview Wells at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. Wells finished his three-year career at Ohio State with 585 carries for 3,382 yards and 30 touchdowns.
Pre-draft visits do not always mean the Eagles intend to draft a player. There have been times when the Eagles have drafted a player in the first round even though that player did not visit the NovaCare Complex beforehand.
Per the Inky...I like this.
If the Eagles keep both of there first round picks you would think that one of them has to be a running back. They literally have nothing behind Westbrook, given my choice I would like to see Moreno, McCoy, Wells in that order. Skill players have tended to fall over the past 3 drafts and I wouldn't be shocked if it happened again this year.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2009, 11:07:26 PM
If the Eagles keep both of there first round picks you would think that one of them has to be a running back. They literally have nothing behind Westbrook, given my choice I would like to see Moreno, McCoy, Wells in that order. Skill players have tended to fall over the past 3 drafts and I wouldn't be shocked if it happened again this year.
Mike McMahon.
shady is the shtein...i just wish he didnt have the knee history...that aside he would definitely be my choice
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2009, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2009, 10:37:49 PM
QuoteA league source said today that Pitt running back LeSean McCoy will make a pre-draft visit with the Eagles.
McCoy, a star at Bishop McDevitt High School in Harrisburg, ran for 2,816 yards and 35 touchdowns in just two seasons with the Panthers. The 5-foot-11, 210-pound running back also proved to be a strong receiver coming out of the backfield with 65 career receptions for 549 yards.
Another league source said Chris "Beanie" Wells, the star running back from Ohio State, does not have a pre-draft visit scheduled in Philadelphia. The source said the Eagles did interview Wells at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. Wells finished his three-year career at Ohio State with 585 carries for 3,382 yards and 30 touchdowns.
Pre-draft visits do not always mean the Eagles intend to draft a player. There have been times when the Eagles have drafted a player in the first round even though that player did not visit the NovaCare Complex beforehand.
Per the Inky...I like this.
If the Eagles keep both of there first round picks you would think that one of them has to be a running back. They literally have nothing behind Westbrook, given my choice I would like to see Moreno, McCoy, Wells in that order. Skill players have tended to fall over the past 3 drafts and I wouldn't be shocked if it happened again this year.
McCoy can go to hell with Kevin Jones and all the other dickfargs that dickteased my beloved Nitts. farg McCoy.
Most of the mocks I've seen have McCoy in the 2nd round now, with Donald Brown going in the 1st instead...
QuoteAlabama OT Andre Smith will have visits/workouts with five teams, including three teams holding top-10 picks.
Smith, the Outland Trophy winner whose unannounced departure from last month's combine raised red flags, met with Baltimore (No. 26 pick) the past two days. On deck is Cincinnati, which holds the sixth overall pick.
Smith also has visits scheduled later this week and next week with San Francisco (No. 10), Philadelphia (Nos. 21 and 28), the New York Jets (No. 17) and Cleveland (No. 5).
– Steve Wyche
Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/31/ot-smith-meeting-with-three-top-10-teams/)
No way he goes in the 1st.
still pissed I'm missing out on that payday
here, you can make love to this instead
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/3043619723_186f4c8021.jpg)
Gonna take a pass, but I like where your head's at.
QuoteUtah's Smith In Demand
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 2, 2009, 8:38 p.m.
University of Utah cornerback Sean Smith is drawing heavy interest from NFL teams, according to a league source.
Smith has been scheduled for visits with the Miami Dolphins, Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Ravens and the Seattle Seahawks.
The Seahawks, St. Louis Rams, Cleveland Browns, Eagles and the Dolphins are among the teams that have set up private workouts with Smith.
Listed at nearly 6′4 and 214 pounds, Smith is one of the most imposing cornerbacks to enter the draft in recent league history.
Smith was clocked in 4.43 seconds during his campus Pro Day workout, improving upon his 4.50 time at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Over the past two seasons, the former wide receiver intercepted nine passes and knocked down 15 passes.
Smith registered a 34-inch vertical leap at the combine and a 9-11 broad jump.
Look test?
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0e29c1qd1vdkw/610x.jpg)
Pass.
Love him getting chased by white guy from BYU.
Eugene Monroe visiting Monday (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090403_Va__tackle_reportedly_to_visit_Eagles.html)
If they trade up for any offensive lineman, they better think he's NFL-ready for game 1, a la Shawn Andrews.
i think the o line is fine unless they seem to think #73 has more than a case of the mondays. plus, they are decent finding them later on. there's bigger needs than o line. or o line depth.
traded up and got andrews and justice...
anyone following that olineman from last year? the one who "shot to the top" of draft charts...what's his face? branden albert...how'd he do last year...just curious...
like anyone except sarge watches the Chiefs...
One of the first picks is really starting to smell like an OT. I agree with pinoy that the OL is fine and the staff has done a good job securing lineman later in the draft (with the exception of Justice). UNLESS Andrews #73 is a whack job. That would be a problem.
After the starting five (assuming that Andrews the younger is even functional) who on the OL is any good? Wouldn't you all rather have a first round stud than Herremans? I mean, I think the guy can play, but wouldn't everyone prefer a monster on the LT who we can theoretically count on for the next 8+ years? I like Herremans a lot more as a do-everything 6th OL than as the starting LT. Question mark city.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 03, 2009, 07:54:49 AM
Look test?
Pass.
Love him getting chased by white guy from BYU.
Nice definition in that calf.
What?
I can't imagine Monroe falling out of the top 6 and for the Eagles to move up that high wouldn't seem to be worth it. That dude Smith from Utah has safety written all over him btw.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2009, 05:05:09 PM
After the starting five (assuming that Andrews the younger is even functional) who on the OL is any good? Wouldn't you all rather have a first round stud than Herremans? I mean, I think the guy can play, but wouldn't everyone prefer a monster on the LT who we can theoretically count on for the next 8+ years? I like Herremans a lot more as a do-everything 6th OL than as the starting LT. Question mark city.
who on the starting five is really good other than andrews when he isnt banging his head against a rubber wall
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2009, 05:05:09 PM
After the starting five (assuming that Andrews the younger is even functional) who on the OL is any good? Wouldn't you all rather have a first round stud than Herremans? I mean, I think the guy can play, but wouldn't everyone prefer a monster on the LT who we can theoretically count on for the next 8+ years? I like Herremans a lot more as a do-everything 6th OL than as the starting LT. Question mark city.
who on the starting five is really good other than andrews when he isnt banging his head against a rubber wall
Completely valid question, further supporting my point.
QuoteRashad Johnson Visiting Eagles, Broncos
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2009, 4:11 p.m.
Safety Brian Dawkins played last year for the Eagles, and will play this year with the Broncos.
Both teams are closely eyeballing a rookie who plays the same position.
Alabama safety Rashad Johnson, regarded as one of the top two or three safety prospects in the draft, will be visiting the Eagles on Monday, and then the Broncos.
Johnson posted a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine, along with a 37-inch vertical leap.
He was a walk-on who came of age under Nick Saban. Though he might need to bulk up a bit to be successful at the pro level, he has an outside shot at being a first-day pick.
QuotePat White on Eagles, Patriots' Radar
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 8, 2009, 2:17 p.m.
West Virginia quarterback Pat White will conduct a private workout with the Philadelphia Eagles today, according to Scout.com.
And White is scheduled to visit the New England Patriots on April 13-14, per Christopher L. Gasper of the Boston Globe and Scout.com.
White had a private workout for the Patriots last month.
Because of his athleticism and versatility, White is also regarded as a wide receiver candidate by many NFL teams. Plus, the growing popularity of the Wildcat offense has boosted his draft stock.
As a senior, White passed for 1,842 yards and 21 touchdowns. He rushed for 974 yards and eight touchdowns.
White set an NCAA quarterback record with 4,480 rushing yards and owns the Big East Conference record with 103 touchdowns.
Yeah, but can he throw out of the wildcat as well as DJax?
I don't know, man. Jackson's got a great arm.
Yeah, just ask Sean Jones...
You may not ask Sean Jones anything. He is an evil Dawkins impersonator!
Quote
OKLAHOMA'S HARRIS LOOKING TO BOOST DRAFT STOCK
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 9, 2009, 7:54 p.m.
Oklahoma safety Nic Harris conducted a private workout for the Buffalo Bills this week, according to Scout.com.
Harris has also had a private workout with the St. Louis Rams.
Harris had formal interviews at the NFLScouting Combine with the Rams, San Diego Chargers, Philadelphia Eages, Oakland Raiders, New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcons and the Cleveland Browns.
An All-Big 12 selection, the 6′3," 234-pounder is projected as an outside linebacker. He has consistently recorded 4.83 to 4.86 times in the 40-yard dash, so he definitely lacks the mobility to play safety in the NFL.
At the combine, Harris posted a 31 1/2 inch vertical leap and 9-1 broad jump. He bench pressed 225 pounds 15 times.
For his career, Harris registered 232 tackles, seven interceptions, six forced fumbles, one fumble recovery and 21 pass deflections.
kipers brand new mock has the birds like this (thru 4 rounds)
has knowshon falling to their 1a. pick
eben britton at 1b says he should have stayed in college
michael johnson at 53!!
deon butler at 85 puke
this comes up when i google search Eben Britton
(http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/CanadaFlagGirl02.jpg)
is he a cervent?
Quote
Coffman Making The Rounds
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 11, 2009, 3:30 p.m.
Missouri tight end Chase Coffman took an official visit this week with the Philadelphia Eagles, according to Scout.com.
He also attended the Kansas City Chiefs' local prospect day.
Coffman has been sidelined from workouts due to a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot suffered in the Alamo Bowl, but is nearly over the injury.
As a senior, Coffman caught 90 passes for 987 yards and 10 touchdowns, winning the John Mackey award as the nation's top tight end.
Coffman's father, Paul Coffman, played tight end for the Green Bay Packers.
Coffman is the Division I-A all-time leader in catches among tight ends. For his career, he caught 247 passes for 2,659 yards and 30 touchdowns.
the city already has one to many chases
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2009, 05:12:23 PM
Quote
Coffman Making The Rounds
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 11, 2009, 3:30 p.m.
Missouri tight end Chase Coffman took an official visit this week with the Philadelphia Eagles, according to Scout.com.
He also attended the Kansas City Chiefs' local prospect day.
Coffman has been sidelined from workouts due to a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot suffered in the Alamo Bowl, but is nearly over the injury.
As a senior, Coffman caught 90 passes for 987 yards and 10 touchdowns, winning the John Mackey award as the nation's top tight end.
Coffman's father, Paul Coffman, played tight end for the Green Bay Packers.
Coffman is the Division I-A all-time leader in catches among tight ends. For his career, he caught 247 passes for 2,659 yards and 30 touchdowns.
I wouldn't mind him in green at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4JMH49AP04&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4JMH49AP04&feature=related)
QuoteIowa Cornerback To Meet With Two NFC East Franchises
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 14, 2009, 4:33 p.m.
University of Iowa cornerback Bradley Fletcher has been scheduled for five visits with NFL teams, including the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, according to a league source.
A projected third-round draft pick, Fletcher has also visited the New York Jets, Atlanta Falcons and the Indianapolis Colts.
The 6′1," 196-pound defensive back ran the 40-yard dash in 4.47 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine and registered a 40-inch vertical leap and a 10-7 broad jump at his campus Pro Day workout. Fletcher improved his 40-yard dash time to 4.44 seconds at his Pro Day.
Fletcher performed well at the East-West Shrine Game, according to several published reports.
Fletcher has recorded 152 career tackles, five interceptions and 17 pass deflections.
QuoteCleveland State Basketball Player Draws An NFL Crowd
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 14, 2009, 4:06 p.m.
Cleveland State basketball player J'Nathan Bullock has managed to garner significant interest from NFL teams hoping to find the next Antonio Gates, according to a league source.
Roughly half of the NFL teams attended Bullock's audition on Friday, including: the Buffalo Bills, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville Jaguars, Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, New Orleans Saints, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, New York Jets, St. Louis Rams and the San Francisco 49ers.
The 6′5," 240-pound former honorable-mention all-state football player from Flint, Mich., tried out as a tight end.
Per the source, Bullock performed adeptly in pass-catching drills, but didn't do as well during the physical testing.
Bullock hadn't run a 40-yard dash or performed a three-cone drill or shuttle run prior to practicing the tests in the weeks leading up to the workout. His 40-yard dash time was 4.80 seconds.
Bullock hasn't played football since high school, where he played every skill position as a senior as well as defensive end and linebacker.
In high school, he rushed for 865 yards and five touchdowns as a senior, averaging 11.5 yards per carry. He also caught 19 passes for 436 yards, completing 11 of 17 passes for 312 yards and a touchdown.
Bullock averaged 15.4 points per game for Cleveland State last season and is the school's fourth all-time leading scorer.
Why not? We could use the next Antonio Gates. Aren't all the good tight ends playing power forward in the NBA?
QuotePunter On Bengals' Agenda
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 6:13 p.m.
The Cincinnati Bengals are conducting a private workout for consensus top-ranked punter Kevin Huber on Thursday, according to a league source.
The University of Cincinnati punter is scheduled to punt 40 to 50 balls for team officials, coaches and scouts at the Bengals' training facility.
On Friday, Huber is scheduled for a private workout with the New Orleans Saints.
Huber has also had private workouts with the New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, Miami Dolphins, Denver Broncos and the New England Patriots.
Huber averaged 45 yards per punt last season.
that's odd
QuotePurdue's Sheets Rising On Draft Boards
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 3:21 p.m.
Purdue running back Kory Sheets has visited the Philadelphia Eagles and the San Francisco 49ers, according to a league source.
Sheets ran the 40-yard dash in times ranging between 4.39 and 4.47 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine, also turning in a 37-inch vertical leap and a 10-1 broad jump.
Sheets is the Boilermaker's second all-time leading rusher with 3,341 career yards, scoring 48 touchdowns.
He caught 108 career passes for 814 yards and five touchdowns.
Last season, Sheets rushed for 1,131 yards and 16 touchdowns with a 4.8 average per carry.
QuoteEagles Interested in Andre Smith?
Posted by Sheil Kapadia on April 15, 2009, 10:32 a.m.
Eagles G.M. Tom Heckert said the Eagles have done their homework on Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith and are not worried about his off-the-field issues.
"You just have to look into [the problems]," Heckert told Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "We've kind of made the combine such a media spectacle, which is fine, but what happened [in Indianapolis] really wasn't that big of a deal. The kid is a good kid. It was just something that happened and it snowballed. If the guy is a good player, he's still going to be a good player."
The Eagles could be looking to add a left tackle in the first round or via trade with the Bills for Jason Peters.
When asked if the Bills had contacted the Eagles about Peters, Heckert responded, "I can't say that."
A league source told Brookover that the Eagles wanted to sign Panthers tackle Jordan Gross before he re-signed with Carolina.
He definitely won't be a first rounder. Definitely.
Steuber says Jason Smith is in town today
Unless they're planning on trading with Detroit there's no way he'll be available. The Rams will snatch him up in a second and if by some chance they don't get to the podium in time, then K.C. will be on him like IGY on a Bud Lime.
excuse me sir but thats sun mo who is the bud lime lover....i hump umbrellas
from Fridays on a Sunday wearing 17 flares
Going to Philly for a friends 21st birthday tonight, and I just found out I'll be drinking with Mike Gibson and edit: some white WR that isn't named Kevin Curtis.
Tell Gibson that Napa is just so proud of him they could just burst...Maybe get a few swell cellphone photos for the local paper sports section next to the girls volleyball box scores and ads for the annual booster crab feed.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 16, 2009, 02:46:49 PM
Steuber says Jason Smith is in town today
That would take both of their first rounders to get him, imagine they give up 2 for this guy and the Giants end up with Boldin. :boom
Quote from: Munson on April 16, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Going to Philly for a friends 21st birthday tonight, and I just found out I'll be drinking with Mike Gibson and edit: some white WR that isn't named Kevin Curtis.
Your credentials are beginning to rival those of MDS.
Philly.com has a number of vintage post draft pieces from each year of the AR era.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/43111717.html
You can read all about the Eagles bold move to use their second rounder they got for Al Harris to move up and craftily muscle out the Giants for Jerome McDougle.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2009, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 16, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Going to Philly for a friends 21st birthday tonight, and I just found out I'll be drinking with Mike Gibson and edit: some white WR that isn't named Kevin Curtis.
Your credentials, are, beginning to rival, those, of MDS.
Fixed.
What I'd like to see happen: Eagles trade a 5th to move up a bit to take Knowshon Moreno. They then take a 2nd and 5th and ship it to Cinci for Ocho Cinco. Pipe dream but who cares.
So who's ready for them to trade out of the 1st again this year?!
They've already made their selection with Peters.
Exactly why I won't be cancelling any plans to watch this shtein.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 19, 2009, 06:01:17 PM
What I'd like to see happen: Eagles trade a 5th to move up a bit to take Knowshon Moreno. They then take a 2nd and 5th and ship it to Cinci for Ocho Cinco. Pipe dream but who cares.
Yep. I mentioned that over at the other place. That'd be pretty much my dream scenario. Realistically, what they would have had to give up to get Boldin (or likely Edwards), they probably would have been left with nothing at LT... and no shot at Moreno.
By going the Peters route (sending the 28th instead of 21st), they get their premiere LT... still be in a pretty good position to snag their RB and still end up with a top notch WR. Best overall scenario for the team.
Although, I'm not so sure they'd have to give up their 2nd rounder for Ocho. He's 31 and coming off a down year. Think about it, the Eagles got T.O. for a 5th and Whiting. The Patriots got Moss for a 4th. I'd happily give a 3rd and later picks and wouldn't be too upset about a 2nd... I'm just not sure it would cost that much.
a 5th probably doesnt move you up even one spot in the first round...it will take more than that to move up several spots
Draft value chart says a 5th could move a team up 1 or 2 spots
its wrong then...no way can you move up in the first round for just a 5th round pick
So you're saying in the history of the nfl draft no teams ever moved up a spot or two in the 1st round using a 5th round pick? fascinating
if its happened id be shocked...but i can guarantee it was an abberation and is not happening anytime soon
and anway i just looked and unless im reading it wrong to move from 21 to 20 is worth 50 pts according to the chart and the first pick in the 5th round is worth 43
2006 draft...Baltimore traded from 13 to 12 with Cleveland and gave up a 6th-rd pick so the Eagles (or someone else) couldn't jump over them and take Ngata
7 points ...maybe they throw in a case of miller lite or bud light lime
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2009, 12:22:56 PM
7 points ...maybe they throw in a case of miller lite or bud light lime
How dare you lump those two together. Them's fightin' words.
i echo those sentiments
isnt miller lite bud light lime without the lime?
probably. like eating a pile of dooky with and without the corn.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4083554
what up Byrd?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2009, 12:08:26 PM
Draft value chart says a 5th could move a team up 1 or 2 spots
The draft value chart means all of nothing right now, last year kind of ruined. Not to mention the rookie salaries are keeping teams from wanting to move up.
Everyone seems to think high first round rookie contracts are a disaster: owners, Gm's, veteran players, the commissioner, yet you don't hear anything about them being on the table in renegotiation. Who's fighting this, the players union? It seems like everyone should be in favor of pushing more of the money to later picks...
Look for a CB now
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 20, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
Look for a CB now
i thought they might take a corner anyway...unfortunately it might be the worst cb draft ever
Alphonso Smith in the 2nd round. Do it.
Not sure he'd still be available though.
Todd McShay's recent mock:
1 = Moreno
2 = Cornelius Ingram (Florida TE)
3 = Brooks Foster (UNC WR)
5a = Mike Mickens (Cincinnati DB)
5b = Nic Harris (Oklahoma OLB)
5c = Curtis Taylor (LSU SS)
5d = Brandon Gibson (Washington State WR)
6a = Ryan Palmer (Texas CB)
6b = Seth Olsen (Iowa OT)
7 = Henry Melton (Texas DE)
no way melton lasts that long
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 21, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
Todd McShay's recent mock:
3 = Brooks Foster (UNC WR)
??? could it be? I heard he was fast.
Foster Brooks (May 11, 1912 – December 20, 2001) was an American actor and comedian most famous for his portrayal of a lovable drunken man in nightclub performances and television programs.
(http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matchgame/3x5pictures/FosterBrooks2.jpg)
I just got five bags of Utz's Crab Chips in the mail for the draft party on Saturday.
FIVE!
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2009, 06:04:33 PM
I just got five bags of Utz's Crab Chips in the mail for the draft party on Saturday.
FIVE!
How many are for you, and how many are to share?
One for me, one for my office, three for the party.
And none for you, bitch.
:flipoff
I can buy Utz at the grocery store, king Florida.
So can I but they don't sell crab chips down here for some reason. They sell pretty much everything else but not crab chips.
Publix sucks.
Bums. I miss Good's Potato Chips. We used to buy them in a big white box.
crab chips suck
utz salt and vinegar > *
Why don't you just buy some Summer's Eve and use it as dip...
IGY is officially disowned.
not an old bay fan sorry...i bet sb adores them tho
mgd six pack complete with beaded sweat running down the bottles and a bag of salt and vinegar in the summertime is heaven
Utz doesn't use Old Bay in their chips. Herr's does, and I agree, they suck. The difference maker in the Utz chips is the honey powder - it cuts down on the bite from the seasoning.
And yes, I find this more interesting to talk about than the farging Eagles right now. They get the spread ass cheeks from me at the moment.
I never got the crab sensation either. The Chickie's and Pete's crab fries? Don't like.
Crab Chips? Bzzt.
dont get me started on chickie and petes crab fries...i get really angry even thinking about how much people hype up regular french fries with a little bit of old bay on them
and utz crab chips i dont think are allowed to say old bay seasoning on them but thats what they have on it...or at least it tastes exactly like old bay...they call it chesapeake bay crab seasoning or something...ive never had the herrs...herrs chips in general blow
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
dont get me started on chickie and petes crab fries...i get really angry even thinking about how much people hype up regular french fries with a little bit of old bay on them
and utz crab chips i dont think are allowed to say old bay seasoning on them but thats what they have on it...or at least it tastes exactly like old bay...they call it chesapeake bay crab seasoning or something...ive never had the herrs...herrs chips in general blow
I never understood the hype either. I tried them at CBP and gave them to my boy after I ate two of them. Terrible. But you listen to th radio and people wax poetic about them like they cure cancer or can score you a handjob from Jessica Biel or something.
its unbelievable the hype...years ago before i ever had them i thought they were ff with real crab on them or something along those lines...but french fries sprinkled with a little old bay???...are you farging kidding me...they are nothing more than seasoned fries
That's what I thought too...either crab fried up to look like french fries or french fries with crab in them.
Now talking about Philly food...I want a hoagie.
I want a Nick's Roast Beef or seven.
And Joe Banner to die of rectal cancer.
Go team.
if the flyers win tonight ill be at nicks all afternoon before the game sat...ill eat two of those seven for you romey
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 07:58:54 PM
not an old bay fan sorry...i bet sb adores them tho
mgd six pack complete with beaded sweat running down the bottles and a bag of salt and vinegar in the summertime is heaven
Yep, i make love to the Herrs OldBay chips.
Utz Carolina BBQ is the best chip that they make. You cant find them in many places, but they are in the baby blue colored bag, best chips ever.
Chickies and Petes crab fries were the biggest disappointment i've had ordering something. Like IGY said, i thought it had crab and all this other shtein the way people talked about them. Go to the beach, get some Thrasher's Fries, soak the fries in Vinegar and cover in Old Bay, thats farging delicious and not overrated.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
dont get me started on chickie and petes crab fries...i get really angry even thinking about how much people hype up regular french fries with a little bit of old bay on them
On their own they're horrible. Drenched in that cheese dip they give you they're decent. I still wouldn't wait an hour in line at CBP for them.
So, the Eagles should draft a guy who is "all that and a bag of chips?"
awful....and super white...but sorta funny
....and not surprising
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
dont get me started on chickie and petes crab fries...i get really angry even thinking about how much people hype up regular french fries with a little bit of old bay on them
On their own they're horrible. Drenched in that cheese dip they give you they're decent. I still wouldn't wait an hour in line at CBP for them.
I went to the Atlanta game at the Linc last year with the wifey. She was starving and wanted fries, got in line for crabfries at halftime. It took a farging hour, and the girl at the counter couldnt have had more than a 9th grade education, and a north philly attitude. She was the slowest person i've ever seen working, just speed wise, it was like she took 15 xanex's and showed up to work.
Good stuff from GE99 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17694)
Actually, I forgot... His site is pretty good too (http://www.scoutsnotebook.com/).
QuotePhiladelphia trades Reggie Brown and their 2nd to JAX for pick 39.
I can't imagine Reggie even has that kind of value right now.
LOL, Reggie wont fetch more than a conditional 4th, and thats even high. Maybe Reggie straight up for Ocho..lollerskates
hes far from the only one saying this but there isnt a "good chance" knoshon is there at 21...i hope im wrong but i put it at about 10%
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 11:34:48 AM
Good stuff from GE99 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17694)
Actually, I forgot... His site is pretty good too (http://www.scoutsnotebook.com/).
QuotePhiladelphia trades Reggie Brown and their 2nd to JAX for pick 39.
I can't imagine Reggie even has that kind of value right now.
QuoteThe list has been whittled down to focus on players that fit our schemes, have the right intangibles and make the most sense
That's good to know. I always thought they just tried to smash square pegs into round holes
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
hes far from the only one saying this but there isnt a "good chance" knoshon is there at 21...i hope im wrong but i put it at about 10%
Most pundits say the odds are 90% or so. You say 10%. Adjusting for your hyperbole, I'll settle on 89%.
its not hyperbole its what i think will happen...i suggest you look up the definition of hyperbole and get back to us
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
whoa
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
its not hyperbole its what i think will happen...i suggest you look up the definition of hyperbole and get back to us
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why would they do that instead of just giving up the 1st and 3rd for Boldin?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
Wait, what?
sorry i should say reporting the rumor of that deal...not reporting it has happened...my bad
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 23, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
its not hyperbole its what i think will happen...i suggest you look up the definition of hyperbole and get back to us
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why would they do that instead of just giving up the 1st and 3rd for Boldin?
first and third for boldin doesnt include a top 5 pick...and doesnt include getting rid of a problem in sheldon
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
sorry i should say reporting the rumor of that deal...not reporting it has happened...my bad
Sort of an important detail, there champ.
it also doesn't include getting rid of one of the best guards in football
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2009, 01:03:01 PM
it also doesn't include getting rid of one of the best guards in football
Who's brother and college roommate were both just signed to the team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
sorry i should say reporting the rumor of that deal...not reporting it has happened...my bad
Even the rumor is interesting. If nothing else, it makes me think that the "big kid" still isn't right in the head.
My bad - I thought the 5 was 5th rounder; not the number 5 pick
lol, please.
After all of the stink the Eagles have made about the Andrews brothers, etc?
Lightbulb head needs a new filament
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2009, 01:03:01 PM
it also doesn't include getting rid of one of the best guards in football
Who's brother and college roommate were both just signed to the team.
maybe they can't figure out the nameplate issue for Shawn and Stacie's jerseys
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:04:30 PM
Lightbulb head needs a new filament
Funny, but would you REALLY be surprised? If they think that Brown is dead to them and Andrews is a head case, the trade is surprisingly a no-brainer... if you don't factor in anything that can't be calculated on a spreadsheet.
So, consider it a done deal.
In all honesty, it would probably piss off every player in the locker room, including their two biggest offseason signings and would act as a massive 'farg you, we're in charge here' to the players. As such I'm betting this rumor is 100% accurate.
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2009, 01:03:01 PM
it also doesn't include getting rid of one of the best guards in football
i dont know...if its even true...and clayton isnt exactly mike florio...maybe the eagles are either tired of andrews "uniqueness" dont think hes
that good or a little of both
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:04:30 PM
Lightbulb head needs a new filament
Funny, but would you REALLY be surprised? If they think that Brown is dead to them and Andrews is a head case, the trade is surprisingly a no-brainer... if you don't factor in anything that can't be calculated on a spreadsheet.
So, consider it a done deal.
yes, I would be VERY surprised.
pretty much for the reasons rjs stated.
Are they TRYING to lose the fanbase and piss off their players to the highest power?
But they would get a "star" WR. Isn't that what everyone wants?
1 step forward, 39 million steps back.
star wr and then they could get a top 5 draft pick, they probably think MJG or even Cole can step in a play the guard spot.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Are they TRYING to lose the fanbase and piss off their players to the highest power?
No one cares about Sheldon half as much as you do, so I'm not exactly sure what fanbase this would piss off. farg Sheldon. And, if Shawn needs to have his brother and college roommate here to have a clear head, then farg him too.
I'm willing to put up a drop a game from Edwards and a contract holdout from Eugene Monroe to get those two out of town.
Can you really tell me that this trade wouldnt make the team better?
I'm all for it. Anything to promote chaos.
It has nothing to do with my thoughts on Sheldon Brown.
Although, taking him off the team does not make them better.
Taking Shawn Andrews off the team does not make them better.
Yes, adding Edwards makes them better, but not enough to balance out what they'd lose on the other end.
Sorry. A #1 WR doesn't make me lose all perspective like it does for others on here. My eyes don't glass over at the prospect of having a solid #1. yes, I would love to have one, but trading away 2 important players on this team doesn't make it BETTER.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Are they TRYING to lose the fanbase and piss off their players to the highest power?
No one cares about Sheldon half as much as you do, so I'm not exactly sure what fanbase this would piss off. farg Sheldon. And, if Shawn needs to have his brother and college roommate here to have a clear head, then farg him too.
I'm willing to put up a drop a game from Edwards and a contract holdout from Eugene Monroe to get those two out of town.
Can you really tell me that this trade wouldnt make the team better?
If the Eagles made the trade, they'd undoubtedly draft OL at 5
You saw what the team did last year w Lito when he pulled the same shtein. Why would you think they would treat Sheldon any different if he played out this season? Especially w the money they threw at Hanson. Sheldons impact on this team in 09' (if he's here) will be a fraction of what it was last year, thus NOT making the team better. I dont agree w the FO's mentality on that, but it it what it is.
And, Im not married to the idea of getting a Boldin or Edwards either. But if this deal actually is on the table, they should do it with the quickness.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 23, 2009, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Are they TRYING to lose the fanbase and piss off their players to the highest power?
No one cares about Sheldon half as much as you do, so I'm not exactly sure what fanbase this would piss off. farg Sheldon. And, if Shawn needs to have his brother and college roommate here to have a clear head, then farg him too.
I'm willing to put up a drop a game from Edwards and a contract holdout from Eugene Monroe to get those two out of town.
Can you really tell me that this trade wouldnt make the team better?
If the Eagles made the trade, they'd undoubtedly draft OL at 5
You think Hanson is = to Brown?
Really?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 01:07:19 PM
In all honesty, it would probably piss off every player in the locker room, including their two biggest offseason signings and would act as a massive 'farg you, we're in charge here' to the players. As such I'm betting this rumor is 100% accurate.
stacy andrews didnt come to philly for his brother...otherwise they would have went to college together...he came because the eagles offered him and his broken knee big bucks
peters could give a shtein about shawn andrews...i think theyve texted a couple times a year since they came into the league
the biggest risk with the deal is sheldon for the same reasons they should make him happy regarding his deal...where the hell are they going to get a top corner btwn now and the season
asante
joselio
rookie/demps/iggywanoo
is a very scary top three corners scenario to go into the season with
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 23, 2009, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Are they TRYING to lose the fanbase and piss off their players to the highest power?
No one cares about Sheldon half as much as you do, so I'm not exactly sure what fanbase this would piss off. farg Sheldon. And, if Shawn needs to have his brother and college roommate here to have a clear head, then farg him too.
I'm willing to put up a drop a game from Edwards and a contract holdout from Eugene Monroe to get those two out of town.
Can you really tell me that this trade wouldnt make the team better?
If the Eagles made the trade, they'd undoubtedly draft OL at 5
Ich bin fargtarded. I read that as Moreno
I never said that. I didnt even insinuate that.
In fact, I used the tired cliche "it is what it is" in reference to what the Eagles would do with Sheldon should he still be in green next year, which I thought written between the lines enough to show that Hanson is not equal to Brown.
But, lets be real - Sheldon is nothing special. At all. His breed are a dime a dozen, and I think Hanson could develop into what Sheldon Brown is - an average CB.
Hanson could be a very good player if he gets some reduction surgery to get rid of some of the wind drag.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
Wait, what?
Not sure how I'd feel about that. The corner situation would be borderline disastrous and I agree that they'd be going after an OT with the top 5 pick, so, there'd still be a hole at RB.
That said, it'd make the offense better for this year. The addition of Braylon would definitely help but it might take an Oline with 3 new starters a while to mesh.
I think they should do it because the banner would have to be farged around with again.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
Wait, what?
Not sure how I'd feel about that. The corner situation would be borderline disastrous and I agree that they'd be going after an OT with the top 5 pick, so, there'd still be a hole at RB.
That said, it'd make the offense better for this year. The addition of Braylon would definitely help but it might take an Oline with 3 new starters a while to mesh.
I think they should do it because the banner would have to be farged around with again.
i feel the same way...im not sure what to think about it...i think i lean against it...doesnt make much sense to trade a stud like andrews for an OL that could easily flop or be average at best...to me the risk youre taking with andrews playing is no higher or lower than the risk youre taking on a drafted player panning out and its defintiely lower than the drafted player becoming as good as andrews...eagles know more about andrews than we do tho and if they have a firm belief that hes done as a football player then obviosuly you def do the trade
and i totally agree on the cb situation for next year
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
john clayton is reporting sheldon shawn andrews and 21 for braylon and 5
Wait, what?
Wow.
The secondary is the reason I would hesitate with that. Like it's been discussed, Asante, Joselio, Ike and draft pick is troublesome considering they're already going to be trying to sort the safeties out.
I love Big Kid, but they can replace RG with Monroe, or even plug MJG or Cole back there if they had to. They'd still be in position to grab a quality RB (Shady, Jennings) with their 2nd round pick as well.
The offense would be set to score A LOT of points with Braylon, Pimp and Curtis at the top though and in most cases, you've got to be stronger on one side than the other.
Do that shtein.
All these rumors floating around, one thing's for sure... this team is going to look a lot different after sunday.
It only makes sense if you understand the big picture. Which is to own the entire 5th round.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 23, 2009, 02:19:04 PM
All these rumors floating around, one thing's for sure... this team is going to look a lot different after sunday.
are they changing their uniforms too?
If midnight green isn't getting caked off the way it feels it should, you better believe it.
That trade would pretty much leave me with nobody to root for on this team. Westbrook is probably next for the discard pile.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 23, 2009, 02:31:43 PM
If midnight green isn't getting caked off the way it feels it should, you better believe it.
midnight green is definitely not getting a renegotiation
Man, I can't wait for the new blue and yellow logo.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
That trade would pretty much leave me with nobody to root for on this team. Westbrook is probably next for the discard pile.
you can always pull out your private stash of trotter footage and reminisce about the good ol' days.
You're right, there isn't even anyone left to hate outside of the front office.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 23, 2009, 02:31:43 PM
If midnight green isn't getting caked off the way it feels it should, you better believe it.
midnight green is definitely not getting a renegotiation
Use your season ticket voice and make a difference.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 23, 2009, 02:31:43 PM
If midnight green isn't getting caked off the way it feels it should, you better believe it.
midnight green is definitely not getting a renegotiation
But it's been trying for over a year. It even sent out those black jerseys in its place occasionally and even that blue and yellow abomination one time.
Midnight green ain't farging around...
Midnight green will demand to be traded to Green Bay when Juan Castillo is gone.
Braylon Edwards and Eugene Monroe for Shawn Andrews and Sheldon Brown.
uh, yes.
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 02:46:43 PM
Braylon Edwards and Eugene Monroe for Shawn Andrews and Sheldon Brown.
uh, yes.
It'd be Braylon + Monroe for Andrews, Brown and the 21st pick, which I'm probably irrationally hoping will be Moreno.
Makes it far tougher when you look at it that way. Of course the Eagles will probably just draft some zesty high motor DE with the 21st anyway, but assuming they can grab Pettigrew/Moreno/Brown/Wells, I think I'd rather keep that pick.
reggie sheldon and andrews for kelly green and britt hager
so everyone goes insane about McNabb never having enough weapons... and the Eagles could potentially get Jason Peters, Stacey Andrews, Eugene Monroe and Braylon Edwards in one offseason for a CB who said he is basically done with the Eagles, a OG who is one thought away from retirement and #21.
deal or no deal?
I'll defer to my toe
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
so everyone goes insane about McNabb never having enough weapons... and the Eagles could potentially get Jason Peters, Stacey Andrews, Eugene Monroe and Braylon Edwards in one offseason for a CB who said he is basically done with the Eagles, a OG who is one thought away from retirement and #21.
deal or no deal?
does that come with an autographed pic of howie mandell?
its comes with an autographed 8 x 10 Bobby Hoying photo.
They already have Jason Peters and Stacey Andrews.
It all depends on how they think Shawn will react mentally this year. If they are confident he will be fine due to his bro being on the team among other things, then I don't see Monroe being an upgrade. Probably a wash.
At that point, you're asking whether I'd trade the #21 and Sheldon for Braylon and I'm not sure I would do that.
I wouldn't hate the deal, and the potential on offense would have me more excited, but I wouldn't be doing back flips either.
playing devils advocate
they already have have peters and andrews who btw btwn attitude matador left tackling and missing limbs have as many questions as andrews and sheldon
eugene monroe has never played a down in the nfl
woudl you rather have eugene monroe braylon edwards lo booker and iggywanoo or shawn andrews knowshon marino and sheldon brown
its not quite as clear when you look at it that way
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:08:54 PM
its comes with an autographed 8 x 10 Bobby Hoying photo.
deal. but only because i'm running low on toilet paper
No.
For no other reason other than I just bought a Shawn Andrews jersey.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2009, 03:10:55 PM
No.
For no other reason other than I just bought a Shawn Andrews jersey and haven't had a chance to wear it to machu pichu yet.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 01:24:54 PM
I never said that. I didnt even insinuate that.
In fact, I used the tired cliche "it is what it is" in reference to what the Eagles would do with Sheldon should he still be in green next year, which I thought written between the lines enough to show that Hanson is not equal to Brown.
But, lets be real - Sheldon is nothing special. At all. His breed are a dime a dozen, and I think Hanson could develop into what Sheldon Brown is - an average CB.
a..god-damn..men
someone else that can see the light
not to mention Clayton and Mortenson are the worst when it comes to rumors. If its not from Scheflers mouth its not even coming close to happening
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:08:54 PM
its comes with an autographed 8 x 10 Bobby Hoying photo.
Or my Hoying jersey. :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:08:54 PM
its comes with an autographed 8 x 10 Bobby Hoying photo.
Or my Hoying jersey. :paranoid
Which is probably close to being an 8 x 10 too
OK, you all know WHY I have that jersey and you'd all have it too if you were in the same boat I was.
And lmao Thawk.
that's unpossible because we can't fit into boats that small.
I have a Hoying jersey too. Big deal, wanna fight about it?
I'll throw an old reversible Ricky Watters out there just for the hell of it, biatches!
I have a reversible Fryar jersey...The amount of money have I spent wasted on these losers is just sickening.
Why do you guys KEEP all these old jerseys?
Hell, I even just got rid of the Freddie Mitchell joint.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
I have a Hoying jersey too. Big deal, wanna fight about it?
i personally don't care to fight about it. but a giants fan friend of mine says youre a flaming hoydaface and he wants a piece and that he'll be waiting for you right behind your seat when the eagles visit ny this year.
Why would I get rid of them? I did end up handing some of my old johnsons down to my little cousin who lives in Giants country with the hopes of making sure he grows up the right way. It worked.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
Big deal, wanna fight about it?
(http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00689/30/88/689978803_m.jpg)
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
Why would I get rid of them? I did end up handing some of my old johnsons down to my little cousin who lives in Giants country with the hopes of making sure he grows up the right way. It worked.
That's cool Die-Hard. That's a damn good reason. Me? I just hate doing laundry and that #32 means one more day before I have to do it.
i got rid of a ricky watters jersey quite a few years ago. had a barnett jersey come up missing when i moved a while back too. still have a fryar, to and stallworth jersey though. i'm still waiting for the right occassion to set the to jersey on fire though.
I root for laundry but couldn't possibly care less about what jerseys you jackasses bought/wear/own/handdown. Just FYI.
Your miserable attitude is really refreshing.
QuoteBIG KID NOT ON THE BLOCK
The Eagles, contrary to what one "league source" is saying, are not contemplating a trade that would send two-time Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews elsewhere.
A team source said that today after Philly.com's Eagleterian and ProFootballTalk.com apparently talked to the same source about this issue.
Furthermore, there is not an issue about Andrews' contract even though he is now making considerably less money than his big brother Stacy and the recently acquired Jason Peters, who was Shawn's teammate at Arkansas.
"He just wants to play ball," Andrews' agent Rich Moran said in a text today. "No contract issue that I know of Bob."
An Eagles source said he received that same message from Andrews during a recent conversation and Eagles president Joe Banner as recently as Sunday raved about how good the offensive line could potentially be with the additions of Stacy Andrews and Peters and the return of Shawn Andrews from a neck injury that kept him out most of last season.
While we're on the subject of contracts, however, I want to make a point that never seems to be made. Yes, it's true that players such as Eagles cornerback Sheldon Brown sometimes sign contract extensions that can later seem less than the market value for a player of that caliber.
The feeling here is that's too bad. Brown is a good guy and a very good, dependable player, but he signed a deal and he has to live with it just like the average Joe who retired thinking he had plenty of good investments in the stock market now has to deal with the vast losses in recent years.
The other thing that has to be noted is that the team is also taking a risk when they give players huge signing bonuses early in their careers. Sometimes those moves backfire. For proof, see Todd Pinkston and Reggie Brown. Although Brown still has a chance to make that deal look good for the Eagles, so far it has been a bad investment for the team.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/SHAWN_ANDREWS_IS_NOT_A_BIG_KID_ON_THE_BLOCK.html
Good. Maul some bitches this season, Shawn.
Can they still work a deal involving Sheldon Brown for Braylon Edwards, though?
Sheldon for Braylon - straight up
:)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
QuoteBIG KID NOT ON THE BLOCK
The Eagles, contrary to what one "league source" is saying, are not contemplating a trade that would send two-time Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews elsewhere.
A team source said that today after Philly.com's Eagleterian and ProFootballTalk.com apparently talked to the same source about this issue.
Furthermore, there is not an issue about Andrews' contract even though he is now making considerably less money than his big brother Stacy and the recently acquired Jason Peters, who was Shawn's teammate at Arkansas.
"He just wants to play ball," Andrews' agent Rich Moran said in a text today. "No contract issue that I know of Bob."
An Eagles source said he received that same message from Andrews during a recent conversation and Eagles president Joe Banner as recently as Sunday raved about how good the offensive line could potentially be with the additions of Stacy Andrews and Peters and the return of Shawn Andrews from a neck injury that kept him out most of last season.
While we're on the subject of contracts, however, I want to make a point that never seems to be made. Yes, it's true that players such as Eagles cornerback Sheldon Brown sometimes sign contract extensions that can later seem less than the market value for a player of that caliber.
The feeling here is that's too bad. Brown is a good guy and a very good, dependable player, but he signed a deal and he has to live with it just like the average Joe who retired thinking he had plenty of good investments in the stock market now has to deal with the vast losses in recent years.
The other thing that has to be noted is that the team is also taking a risk when they give players huge signing bonuses early in their careers. Sometimes those moves backfire. For proof, see Todd Pinkston and Reggie Brown. Although Brown still has a chance to make that deal look good for the Eagles, so far it has been a bad investment for the team.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/SHAWN_ANDREWS_IS_NOT_A_BIG_KID_ON_THE_BLOCK.html
Why is this guy comparing professional sports to the real world? He needs to be fired immediately
yeah because all sportswriters know what they are talking about
youre one of those people who because your intelligence level is so low you think that anyone who writes for a newspaper is smarter than the average person
fyi - just because a sports writer wrote it doesnt make it true
Again - lol at "huge". $7.5M wasn't huge then and it's a pittance now in comparison.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 04:58:14 PM
yeah because all sportswriters know what they are talking about
youre one of those people who because your intelligence level is so low you think that anyone who writes for a newspaper is smarter than the average person
fyi - just because a sports writer wrote it doesnt make it true
yeah thanks-just goes to show you that youre once again always in the minority
but before you start bragging about your intelligence level kid...figure out if Hawaii is located in Europe or in the US
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 04:58:14 PM
yeah because all sportswriters know what they are talking about
youre one of those people who because your intelligence level is so low you think that anyone who writes for a newspaper is smarter than the average person
fyi - just because a sports writer wrote it doesnt make it true
Sources aside I'm pretty sure any of us could school any of the local writers aside from maybe Ray Diddy.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Sources aside I'm pretty sure any of us could school any of the local writers aside from maybe Ray Diddy.
easily
and any of us could do what ray diddy does if we had the luxury of spending 12 hour days at nfl films
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Sources aside I'm pretty sure any of us could school any of the local writers aside from maybe Ray Diddy.
easily
and any of us could do what ray diddy does if we had the luxury of spending 12 hours a day at nfl films
i feel bad you guys dont get to spend at least 12, i love it here at NFL films.
Pass me a Miller Lite Sabol
i propose that sb be disallowed from entering the cf mock draft contests
Maybe if he worked at BCS Films.
If Sheldon Browns worth is a around a 4rth or 5th round pick then its who would mind a Sheldon Brown and the #21 pick for Boldin or Edwards?
Quote from: reese125 on April 23, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 04:58:14 PM
yeah because all sportswriters know what they are talking about
youre one of those people who because your intelligence level is so low you think that anyone who writes for a newspaper is smarter than the average person
fyi - just because a sports writer wrote it doesnt make it true
yeah thanks-just goes to show you that youre once again always in the minority
but before you start bragging about your intelligence level kid...figure out if Hawaii is located in Europe or in the US
it's in europe. duh. that's why the germans bombed it......because it was closest to them.
read a farging book dook.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Sources aside I'm pretty sure any of us could school any of the local writers aside from maybe Ray Diddy.
easily
and any of us could do what ray diddy does if we had the luxury of spending 12 hour days at nfl films
and to think......mds is spending money on college to "learn" how to do that crap. sucker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
i propose that sb be disallowed from entering the cf mock draft contests
I'm sorry, but i just didnt think "Dawk smoked him like a blunt" deserved to be on a NFL Film, one day, but until Barry makes it ok, i' have to follow Steve's advice
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 23, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
I have a Hoying jersey too. Big deal, wanna fight about it?
Me too. And I had to wait two months to get mine because they were back ordered.
If they trade Andrews, I will have three non-existent authentics.
I like how my Randall jersey will never be out of style.
unlike your face. that went out of style with swatches and new coke.
Yeah, like Marines ever actually look at the face. How's my ass, tough guy?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Sources aside I'm pretty sure any of us could school any of the local writers aside from maybe Ray Diddy.
easily
and any of us could do what ray diddy does if we had the luxury of spending 12 hour days at nfl films
and to think......mds is spending money on college to "learn" how to do that crap. sucker.
Not that it's evident here but he's paying money to enhance his writing skills, not his sports knowledge. Most of the Philly writers are boring and use the same format. They sometimes do a decent job of drumming up fake controversy/trades/info to make their stuff interesting. But overall they're lazy hacks.
The Eagles should avoid the likes of Ryan Leaf... Pictured center... That isall...
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/03/ryanleaflosthisshirt.com)
so barring OT i wont be home from the flyer game tomorrow night until 730 or 8...what pick will they be on around lets say 745
easy?
Spadaro is all about Knowshon at 21. So, the odds the Eagles are actually looking at him seriously are slim.
So no Shon tomorrow?
Shonn Greene is actually a possibility, though.
thats my vote--scoop his ass up
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
so barring OT i wont be home from the flyer game tomorrow night until 730 or 8...what pick will they be on around lets say 745
easy?
With the draft an hour later this year, I checked to see who was picked at 6:45 last year (Devin Thomas at #34), but there were a bunch of trades that pushed things back a little. Looking around the #21 pick (and a few spots earlier if they trade up), here's the approximate times:
#15 = 5:45
#18 = 6:15
#21 = 6:45
wow big ups...exceeded even my easy expectations...looks like im gonna go right down to the wire with it...guess ill dvr
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9488534/Aggressive-Eagles-could-be-active-on-draft-day (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9488534/Aggressive-Eagles-could-be-active-on-draft-day)
Quote"I'll always look at something if there is a great player out there and it doesn't matter what position," Reid said. "I'm always looking to better our football team. Do I think we have good enough guys there? Yeah, I do."
hey fat ass there's a couple out there right now.
I want Alphonso Smith in the 2nd; they may have to trade up though.
I want Anquan Boldin in the 2nd.
Kiper's final mock has Knowshon at #21
Screw a RB in the first - the team doesn't run enough to justify that. Besides, good RBs can be had in the later rounds. I'd rather see Pettigrew taken by the Eagles at #21
i will go on record right now with anyone that wants it (within reason)
$10 bucks knowshon doesnt last till 21...not saying the eagles wont get him but he will be gone prior to their original spot
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
i will go on record right now with anyone that wants it (within reason)
$10 bucks knowshon doesnt last till 21...not saying the eagles wont get him but he will be gone prior to their original spot
If I was a betting man I would take that, RBs are going to fall. The only two teams that I could really see taking him before the Eagles would be SD or NO, and I don't think either is going to go that route.
if the rb class was strong at the top id agree but knowshon is so far and away the best rb prospect that i cant believe hes gonna drop to 21
and realize someone could move up and get him...its not just what the teams that are currently in front of the eagles need
Your are right another team absolutely could jump up and take him, I just don't see it.
Unless they are trades up, I could see Moreno sliding to the Birds.
Knowshon won't get past 16
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 24, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Knowshon won't get past 16
yeah thats what i figure...around 15ish...but it also wouldnt surprise me for him to go even higher...i could definitely see the saints taking him
I can't see anyone originally ahead of the Eagles taking him. But I think it is highly probable someone tries to trade up ahead of the Eagles for him. So I'll agree he doesn't last to 21. I can see the Pats, Cardinals trying to trade up for him.
jets chargers and saints could all easily take him...hell just because hes so far and away the best rb another team might take him if who they really wanted went off the board...and of course like i said the trade scenario...anyway you look at it it would be not impossible but pretty amazing if he straight fell to 21
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2009, 03:33:29 PM
I want Alphonso Smith in the 2nd; they may have to trade up though.
Damn straight you do, though you're right, he's going to go somewhere in the 30s so you'd have to trade back up for him I'd guess.
He's a ballhawk and a capable tackler.
they better not trade back for anyone...unless youre suggesting they will trade their second for boldin...then i dont care what they do with 21
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2009, 11:16:12 PM
jets chargers and saints could all easily take him...hell just because hes so far and away the best rb another team might take him if who they really wanted went off the board...and of course like i said the trade scenario...anyway you look at it it would be not impossible but pretty amazing if he straight fell to 21
I see the Saints and Chargers going defense and I see the Jets going QB or WR.
I just can't see the Chargers drafting a RB with Tomlinson and Sproles there. Even though Tomlinson is nearing the end, he's still highly paid, and they need some defensive depth.
The Saints have a terrible defense and can address RB later.
no one is debating that those teams could take something other than rb the point is there are numerous teams before 21 that easily may take knowshon...if youre an eagle fan you should know better than anyone that whatever you think a team needs is often not even close to what they actually take...espcially when a player like knowshon is sitting before them
I do agree with you though. I don't think he'll be there at 21. I don't see the Saints and Chargers taking him, but to say it has no chance of happening would be ignorant. The chances are that he won't be there.
That begs the question: how much would you give to trade up for him if you want him that badly. Would you use your 2nd rounder? I wouldn't.
i love knowshon and no way id give up my second for him...if youre gonna trade your second do it for a proven guy...cough cough boldin
can you imagine the outrage if they trade their second but its not for boldin
Eckel(yes I know) is saying his sources are telling him the Eagles want Vontae Davis at 21 and if he's there they'll take him.
wouldnt surprise me at all...like i was saying a second ago...the eagles have done some crazy shtein under reid...would VD really shock anyone?
Shock me? Not at all. Piss me off? Definitely. They basically would be letting Sheldon hold their balls during draft day. I'm sorry, but the only reason to draft Davis would be because of this Sheldon BS.
i disagree...even with sheldon the cb position lacks depth and a future...i said last week before the sheldon news that i thought jenkins was a possibility so VD would def not be a pick that was made because of sheldon
I could agree with that, but even so I still think there are far more pressing needs to address right now. I guess it all depends on who is there. If Moreno is somehow there at 21 and the Eagles take Davis over him, it would be absolute pandemonium in Philly. It would be one of the bigger uproars the city has seen with the Eagles in recent memory. If Pettigrew was there and Moreno wasn't, it would still be bad, but not as bad. If neither is there and no surprise player falls, then I don't think it would piss fans off as much. Although I personally would still rather them address a need like WR if they can't get Boldin.
yes
if they dont move out of 21 then it goes like this (if the below are there)
1. knowshon
2. pettigrew
3. anyone or everyone
Would you take Nicks at 21? I like him, but don't love him. I'm always worried about taking WRs, because so many bust.
VD wouldn't shock me at all. I almost put him there in the CF mock contest.
nicks would be a valid pick at the #3 spot in my above scenario
i mean provided someone unexpected doesnt drop to 21 (like a robert ayers) i wouldnt have a problem with them taking anyone there short of a some incredible reach...but that isnt andys MO
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 24, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Knowshon won't get past 16
I think the Chargers have more pressing needs at DL, LB, and S to worry about a RB at this point. Would I be shocked if they took Moreno, no but that would be a lot of money tied up in one position for at least a year. If Moreno is off the board I could see the Eagles possibly taking Brown from UConn, everything I have heard on NFL Radio they love him and he fits almost perfectly. Though Moreno does too.
I don't think I would be pissed if they took Davis, it would surprise me though. There are some questions about his character and that is usually something the Eagles shy away from. I can honestly say there would be no position that would really piss me off outside of T, G, or Qb.
If Davis didn't have character issues he'd be a top 10 pick no doubt. I'd be fine with him at 21.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 12:26:07 AM
VD wouldn't shock me at all.
Been sleeping with some real swamp donkeys lately, eh?
If Banner and Co. are serious about not trading Sheldon, VD wouldn't make much sense. When you're in a position like the Eagles are, you don't use a 1st round pick to compete for your nickel DB...especially when you just gave your current nickel DB a new contract.
Besides, I'm not even sure Vontae Davis is a 1st round pick if this draft class isn't so weak at CB.
D-Day, can't wait to tune in later and see the disaster they have in store
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
If Banner and Co. are serious about not trading Sheldon, VD wouldn't make much sense. When you're in a position like the Eagles are, you don't use a 1st round pick to compete for your nickel DB...especially when you just gave your current nickel DB a new contract.
Besides, I'm not even sure Vontae Davis is a 1st round pick if this draft class isn't so weak at CB.
Vontae Davis is a pimp, dude. Don't know where you're coming from with that last sentence.
And since when have the Eagles ever taken the conventional route when it comes to draft day? They had two of the best corners in the game in 2002 yet still took Scrappy & Litoast.
Who would have thought they'd both be pretty good players who want nothing to do with the Eagles by 2009?
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 08:26:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
If Banner and Co. are serious about not trading Sheldon, VD wouldn't make much sense. When you're in a position like the Eagles are, you don't use a 1st round pick to compete for your nickel DB...especially when you just gave your current nickel DB a new contract.
Besides, I'm not even sure Vontae Davis is a 1st round pick if this draft class isn't so weak at CB.
Vontae Davis is a pimp, dude. Don't know where you're coming from with that last sentence.
And since when have the Eagles ever taken the conventional route when it comes to draft day? They had two of the best corners in the game in 2002 yet still took Scrappy & Litoast.
Vontae is a good CB, but he's far from a pimp. He's got athletic ability, but he knows it and that gets in the way of his play. As weak as this draft class is at CB, he's not even the top prospect. He's already considered the 3rd best out there. If there's better comp this year, he most defintely could fall out of the 1st. There'll be 3 more corners next year just as good as him.
The Eagles were an entirely different team in 2002. Their window was wide open, McNabb was still a young QB with most of his career ahead of him. In 2009, you're looking at the last year or two of McNabb's career here and that means the end of SB chances for a while unless you believe Kolb is gonna maintain it.
If the Eagles are to push for the SB, which they definitely can with a few good moves, the Eagles need to be using that 1st round pick for someone who will make them a better team immediately. Vontae Davis doesn't do that if Brown sticks around.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
Who would have thought they'd both be pretty good players who want nothing to do with the Eagles by 2009?
Get ready for Patterson and Bunkley next.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
Who would have thought they'd both be pretty good players who want nothing to do with the Eagles by 2009?
Get ready for Patterson and Bunkley next.
Or Trent Cole.
Quote from: mussa on April 25, 2009, 08:18:11 AM
D-Day, can't wait to tune in later and see the disaster they have in store
Almost busted my gut when I read this. Still cracking up even now. :yay
A perfect day for me of course would No-tion in the first and a trade for Boldin and possibly a decent prospect at corner or safety in the third.
However there is never a perfect day in Eagle land so as usual I wake up this morning to Mort floating rumors about the Eagles talking to Oakland about Burgess.
At this point I don't care about the future. I want them to load up and go after it this season. I can see this thing blowing up in the next year or two anyway.
Just one SB baby. Please, Just one.
Part of what displaced says rings true for me too.
After this year, the chances of McNabb being an Eagle and collecting the rest of his contract money is close to nil.
I know there is zero. chance. in. hell that Kolb ever comes close to anything resembling a competent QB in the NFL. I see Kyle Boller or worse days ahead of us with him playing for them.
I think Reid goes with McNabb and once that happens the Kevin Kolb experience goes out the door with him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 09:43:18 AM
I know there is zero. chance. in. hell
Why do you love doing that so much?
Hmm Drew Rosenhaus (sp?) is on ESPN right now saying if he had to make a prediction it would be that Boldin is not a Cardinal by the end of the first round.
What I love about today is that we all get to collectively say, "What the farg?" at the same time.
cock, balls.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 09:43:18 AM
Part of what displaced says rings true for me too.
After this year, the chances of McNabb being an Eagle and collecting the rest of his contract money is close to nil.
I know there is zero. chance. in. hell that Kolb ever comes close to anything resembling a competent QB in the NFL. I see Kyle Boller or worse days ahead of us with him playing for them.
That being said, who thought McNabb was the best QB in his draft? Outside of the knuckleheads that wanted Williams, who here truly thought McNabb was better than Couch, Akili Smith, etc. in that draft? Kolb is an unknown quantity as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 24, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
so barring OT i wont be home from the flyer game tomorrow night until 730 or 8...what pick will they be on around lets say 745
easy?
With the draft an hour later this year, I checked to see who was picked at 6:45 last year (Devin Thomas at #34), but there were a bunch of trades that pushed things back a little. Looking around the #21 pick (and a few spots earlier if they trade up), here's the approximate times:
#15 = 5:45
#18 = 6:15
#21 = 6:45
nerd
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 25, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 09:43:18 AM
Part of what displaced says rings true for me too.
After this year, the chances of McNabb being an Eagle and collecting the rest of his contract money is close to nil.
I know there is zero. chance. in. hell that Kolb ever comes close to anything resembling a competent QB in the NFL. I see Kyle Boller or worse days ahead of us with him playing for them.
That being said, who thought McNabb was the best QB in his draft? Outside of the knuckleheads that wanted Williams, who here truly thought McNabb was better than Couch, Akili Smith, etc. in that draft? Kolb is an unknown quantity as far as I'm concerned.
in all seriousness, i did. of course, i didn't expect couch and smith to flame out the way they did. i thought they'd make good qb's as well. was never sold on mcnown though.
mcnabb was the guy i wanted in that draft from the get go. and it wasn't that i didn't believe ricky williams would flop out. i just didn't buy into the hype that he would immediately change the fortunes of the team that drafted him or that he was a "once in a lifetime" player as many of the pundits were calling him.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 25, 2009, 12:51:54 PM
Hmm Drew Rosenhaus (sp?) is on ESPN right now saying if he had to make a prediction it would be that Boldin is not a Cardinal by the end of the first round.
What do you expect him to say, if a team trades for him Rosenbitch will be looking at a new contract and big ttime $$$$$
NFL.com analysts seems to have the Eagles pinned down. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fb153b&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true&icampaign=TW_%20Day1)
On a few more hours until the Eagles pick an OL or DT for depth and sign Warrick Dunn as a backup...can't have too many linemen...
I don't know if worried is the right word, but I am concerned that Maybin falls to 21 and the Eagles grab him. Even if Davis or Moreno is on the board.
They're still talking about the Eagles trading with the Browns in that stupid deal.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 25, 2009, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 25, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 09:43:18 AM
Part of what displaced says rings true for me too.
After this year, the chances of McNabb being an Eagle and collecting the rest of his contract money is close to nil.
I know there is zero. chance. in. hell that Kolb ever comes close to anything resembling a competent QB in the NFL. I see Kyle Boller or worse days ahead of us with him playing for them.
That being said, who thought McNabb was the best QB in his draft? Outside of the knuckleheads that wanted Williams, who here truly thought McNabb was better than Couch, Akili Smith, etc. in that draft? Kolb is an unknown quantity as far as I'm concerned.
in all seriousness, i did. of course, i didn't expect couch and smith to flame out the way they did. i thought they'd make good qb's as well. was never sold on mcnown though.
mcnabb was the guy i wanted in that draft from the get go. and it wasn't that i didn't believe ricky williams would flop out. i just didn't buy into the hype that he would immediately change the fortunes of the team that drafted him or that he was a "once in a lifetime" player as many of the pundits were calling him.
I wasn't that sold on McNabb - small school and all. But agree and certainly didn't want Williams. As I thought all the QB's were kinda close, getting the five picks that bozo in NO gave up, along with say, Culpepper later in the round would have been my strategy. Yes Culpepper (even smaller school div II) was ultimately a wunderlic disappointment, but who knows how he would have done under a different system than the Vikings, as well as what the other five additional picks could have done? (And conversely what would have McNabb done had he gone to say, the Vikings or similar team then? I think luck and Reids dedication to him may have kept him in the game longer than if he was with another team)
And, if a SB is the only measure, than while McNabb has been good-to-very-good, but really has he been any better than a Jaws or Cunningham after viewed from a few years hence? And looking back, would a few more losses or less playoff appearances and losses over the past ten years make everyone feel much different than they do now?
I think stealing a lot of picks from star-crossed teams in love with a particular pick is a great opportunity, and still wonder what might have happened if the team had done it then. Also remember the other Vikings pick folly - Hershel Walker
Culpepper only had success in MIN because of Randy Moss. Dook couldn't/can't read a defense to save his life. He must have small hands to fumble so much.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 25, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Culpepper only had success in MIN because of Randy Moss. Dook couldn't/can't read a defense to save his life. He must have small hands to fumble so much.
Dave Kreig 2.0?
I've always wondered why the first few picks take the full amount of time? It's not like teams do many unexpected things with the picks. I just hate waiting through 10 minutes of talking heads for the team to pick the guy everyone said they would.
farging Denver >:(
Justice and a 6th for Buckhalter.
What do they do now?
Trade up for Maclin?
Stay put and hope Vontae Davis is there?
Stay put and draft Shady?
ESPN is terrible. The players reactions and being on the phone before every pick is incredibly anti-climatic. Stop cutting away before every pick.
I've been on NFLN 99% of the time...too bad Comcast is stealing it away in 5 days.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
What do they do now?
Trade up for Maclin?
Stay put and hope Vontae Davis is there?
Stay put and draft Shady?
maybe trade out...again
I think Vontae Davis is their guy
I'm guessing Davis too...
Do they take Pettigrew if he's there??
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 05:52:03 PM
I'm guessing Davis too...
Do they take Pettigrew if he's there??
That's what I'm hoping for. I wanted Moreno too. Not sure Wells is a great fit for their system but it seems like he'll be available.
I really don't want Wells...he's a china doll.
Vontae Davis, Brandon Pettigrew, a trade up for Maclin....
Maybe Donald Brown or Darius Butler?
I fully expect them to trade out again. Maybe they they make my day a little better and take Pettigrew but I doubt it.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 05:46:18 PM
ESPN is terrible. The players reactions and being on the phone before every pick is incredibly anti-climatic. Stop cutting away before every pick.
I miss the days of just Bermen by himself covering the first day at a desk in a small news room type setting. This is like watching a farging circus.
Never thought Moreno would last to 21.
Trade the pick for Boldin you cum guzzling fargtwats.
Quote from: Displaced on April 25, 2009, 06:00:18 PM
I fully expect them to trade out again.
Smelling that as well.
Let's all get ready to to be let down in about 15 minutes.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
Trade the pick for Boldin you cum guzzling fargtwats.
Or trade down and pick up a higher #2 to trade to the Cards.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
Trade the pick for Boldin you cum guzzling fargtwats.
Calling a priest right now for one last request. May have used then all up after the World Series and Vic's grand slam last night. Oh and the last 6 seconds of the Sixers game.
ON THE CLOCK
WOW!
CLE traded out again
Browns traded their pick to the Eagles, on the clock now
Something just happened? Crowd boooing and I saw the birds logo in the background as they cut to commercial - maybe just the normal NYC reaction to seeing the crest.
What'd they give up?
ON THE CLOCK!!!
a 6th rounder?
WTF?????
Maclin?!?!
It's Maclin.. I'd rather just trade it for Boldin.
Looks like Tracy Morgan
Jeremy Maclin? Really? I'd rather they traded the pick for Boldin.
MACLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!
DeSeanzzzzz clone
farg you Trey Wingo.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2009, 06:13:16 PM
Jeremy Maclin? Really? I'd rather they traded the pick for Boldin.
Some success with Desean Jackson? I hate Trey Wingo. :boom
I'm fine with Maclin.
Keyshawn is actually making sense. Why do I see 'high character' guy here
Reggie go boom.
Trade Reggie for a bodyguard.
I really thought the pick was going to be Pettigrew.
A #1 & something else could have grabbed a big ass stud, and they move the farg up for this. ???
Well if the 1st round goes by and Boldin is still a Card, trade the 2nd and Kevin Curtis for Boldin.
HOW DO YOU DEFEND THAT?!
There goes Pettigrew to Detroit
And I was expecting so much more.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2009, 06:13:16 PM
Jeremy Maclin? Really? I'd rather they traded the pick for Boldin.
You and me both. Pick seems kinda redundant looking at the Eagles' WR pos.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Keyshawn is actually making sense. Why do I see 'high character' guy here
What did he say?
haha Browns trade down 3 times from #5 just to take a center
Chris Berman needs to shut up. Jesus.
Childress takes a WR too (Harvin)
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
haha Browns trade down 3 times from #5 just to take a center
Uh... and to get a billion extra picks. They only had five draft picks at the start of the day, and they basically need a player at every position. Now they've got 10 picks.
BigEd must be abusing prescription drugs.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
haha Browns trade down 3 times from #5 just to take a center
And he's a bit of reach that high, no?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2009, 06:31:33 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
haha Browns trade down 3 times from #5 just to take a center
And he's a bit of reach that high, no?
A little, yeah. I thought he would go to PIT...
So when do the Eagles go RB?
RBs on the Eagles roster:
Brian Westbrook
Lorenzo Booker
Eldra Buckley
RBs on the Broncos roster:
Knowshon Moreno
Selvin Young
Correll Buckhalter
Ryan Torain
LaMont Jordan
JJ Arrington
Vontae Davis goes to Miami
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 25, 2009, 06:45:36 PM
So when do the Eagles go RB?
RBs on the Eagles roster:
Brian Westbrook
Lorenzo Booker
Eldra Buckley
RBs on the Broncos roster:
Knowshon Moreno
Selvin Young
Correll Buckhalter
Ryan Torain
LaMont Jordan
JJ Arrington
2nd round, I'd guess.
Any way Shady falls to 53?
Re-sign Eckel!
I wonder if they'll try to make a play to move up in the 2nd round to grab Brown. He's by far the best fit for their system at RB.
The hell with this team.
Use a 1st round pick on a WR who may or may not be good rather than trading that same pick for a stud like Boldin? WTF?
WTF?
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 25, 2009, 06:45:36 PM
So when do the Eagles go RB?
RBs on the Eagles roster:
Brian Westbrook
Lorenzo Booker
Eldra Buckley
McCoy still available in second round? God I hope so.
there goes Donald Brown (Indy)
ESPN ruins every pick with the phone conversation and Chris Berman being handed the card before each selection. Kiper or Young suggest a team should go with someone and he just ignores them because he knows who the pick is already.
I like McCoy over Wells - I think at least
I stopped watching because I thought the Eagles would do something dumb, come back and find we traded up for another small fast WR. I'm not familiar with this Maclin guy, but every RB but Knowshawn was left on the board at that spot. Ugh... :boom
Nicks to the Giants
Stalking! What's up, stillupfront's mom!
ha.....ESPN talks about Beanie Wells to Tennessee for 6 minutes, then the Titans take Kenny Britt from Rutgers
Beanie to Arizona. Later Edge
Maybe the Eagles will just pick up whichever RB the Broncos can't keep on their roster.
NFLN was doing the guy on the phone thing too.
The first round has gone pretty fast.
I'm holding out hope for Shady now. Or Alphonso Smith, but I think the Pats will end up grabbing him.
Stillers close it out with Ziggy Hood...
I'm a little surprised that Maualuga lasted this long...
I wonder if DET takes him now...nope.
They take Louis Delmas
Still available:
Rey Maualuga
Eben Britton
Everette Brown
Michael Johnson
LeSean McCoy
James Laurinaitis
Alphonso Smith
William Moore
Max Unger
Pats take Patrick Chung
Animal's kid to the Rams
Robiskie to the Browns...good pick. I like that dude.
Me too.
Not that the Eagles had a real shot....but the Broncos just traded up for Alphonso Smith.
Jeez.
Denver gives up next year's #1 to Seattle for him
Erin Andrews has one busted looking mug.
Maualuga to Cincinnati
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2009, 07:58:42 PM
Maualuga to Cincinnati
So they draft two guys with attitude/behavior problems.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 07:57:45 PM
Erin Andrews has one busted looking mug.
You'd still hit it hard. Don't lie.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 25, 2009, 07:57:45 PM
Erin Andrews has one busted looking mug.
I just said the same thing. They should have a camera in her icehole while she's talking. That nose could choke a mule.
Wow, Chris Steuber is one diminutive douche.
Wtf are the Raiders doing?
Michael Mitchell?
:-D :-D
There isn't even a profile on nfl.com. WTF.
I'm consistently impressed with the way the Texans draft. It hasn't come together for them yet, but they have addressed needs with good players for the last 2 or 3 years running and I have a hard time believing that they will continue to be a loser franchise...
Taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and Vince Young... looking pretty good right about now.
How many safeties do the Broncos need?
And Darcell McBath at this point?
Anyone feeling some LeSean McCoy action?
I'm cool with that...Maclin and McCoy?
In.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
There isn't even a profile on nfl.com. WTF.
Apparently Kiper had him ranked as the 73rd SAFETY in the draft. hahahaaaa.
daddy like shaddy
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
There isn't even a profile on nfl.com. WTF.
Apparently Kiper had him ranked as the 73rd SAFETY in the draft. hahahaaaa.
For real? That's awesome.
What the hell is l Davis doing?
What was Mitchell's 40 time?
Al Davis died 22 years ago. The old dude you see is held up by two dudes who are everywhere he is. Dark glasses, cheesy clothes, moves like a marionette..............
He's supposed to be a workout freak, though I don't think his 40 time was that great. Somewhere around 4.5.
Cowboys are up...I'd guess they are gonna go safety. I read they really liked Mcbath from TT, but he's gone.
William Moore maybe?
I better not see another hateful comment about Erin Andrews, I'm... I'm... well, nothing.
I'll just keep beating off furiously to shots of her ass.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 08:55:05 PM
He's supposed to be a workout freak, though I don't think his 40 time was that great. Somewhere around 4.5.
Davis ran a 4.5? Smooth moves, for an old=timer
Quote from: Zanshin on April 25, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 08:55:05 PM
He's supposed to be a workout freak, though I don't think his 40 time was that great. Somewhere around 4.5.
Davis ran a 4.5? Smooth moves, for an old=timer
He used a wheelchair.
:-D :-D :-D
Dallas passed the pick. The war room footage has the Jones boys and Wade standing around like douches.
Browns on the clock.
Hmmm...now it appears to be a trade with Buffalo moving up.
Are the Bills jumping ahead of CLE and PHL to take Shady?
Bills take Andy Levitre from OSU.
I hope CLE doesn't snatch McCoy.
Shady's available.
One of DonHo's boys gets drafted...Dvid Veikune to CLE.
Aight Birds...here we go.
GET SHADY!
THE REAL McCOY
if they get another offensive 'weapon' is it just to placate McNabb and save money?
Nice!!
Hot.
Day 1 is good! I am psyched about McCoy.
farging Vaikune jumped up the draft board faster than anybody. I must have missed something. I was never that impressed. Teams were really high on this guy. Had a great Senior Bowl week.
Falcons take William Moore
Loving the draft so far for the birds. And don ho. I didn't even notice that guy on the field against ND
This crew on ESPNNEWS is so much better than that three ring circus on the mother ship. Tell us about the player and not your two cents.
word
I'm really regretting that I wasted my tv-watching time on the NFL network today.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 25, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
I'm really regretting that I wasted my tv-watching time on the NFL network today.
You can always catch up on "America's Next Top Model" via OnDemand or I can trade you my discs for your "John and Kate Plus Eight" collection.
NFLN talking up the Eagles first two picks, which means nothing, but it's hilarious in contrast to what the ESPN crew was saying.
Good draft so far, on to day 2...
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2009, 10:01:52 PM
NFLN talking up the Eagles first two picks, which means nothing, but it's hilarious in contrast to what the ESPN crew was saying.
Iam really starting to dislike ESPN. The draft has become their show. NFL is just a sponsor.
espn had valid points....many of the same things were brought up on wip when the pick was made
some people just cant handle an outlet not slurping all over their own team
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
espn had valid points....many of the same things were brought up on wip when the pick was made
some people just cant handle an outlet not slurping all over their own team
Yeah ESPN, and more specifically guys like Keyshawn and Herm, made some valid points. They too were surprised by the pick. I think one of them said why would you draft a rookie in the first when you can have Boldin for that same pick or possibly less?
exactly
i like the pick but to act like it shouldnt be questioned is ridiculous
Both of the Eagles picks are 20 year old sophomores, so they are at least 6 years away from Banner refusing to take their calls.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 25, 2009, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
espn had valid points....many of the same things were brought up on wip when the pick was made
some people just cant handle an outlet not slurping all over their own team
Yeah ESPN, and more specifically guys like Keyshawn and Herm, made some valid points. They too were surprised by the pick. I think one of them said why would you draft a rookie in the first when you can have Boldin for that same pick or possibly less?
To which Mort quickly stepped in and said that with Rosenhaus looking for $10 mil/year, no one was biting.
There is a reason he wasn't traded, apparently. The Titans wanted him badly too. I guess not $10 mil/year badly.
im not even a boldin or bust guy but why would you care how much the eagles have to pay for him.....either you want him or not...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
im not even a boldin or bust guy but why would you care how much the eagles have to pay for him.....either you want him or not...
I wanted Boldin, but Rosenhaus has to be out of his mind thinking he is going to get paid that much. They were thinking he was going to be traded for sure by the first round. First DAY is done and he's still a Crud with no new contract.
i think the cardinals never intended to trade him
Or Rosenpuke overpriced him?
if boldin really wanted to leave arizona and arizona didnt want him hed be on another team right now...i think people over estimate the power of rosenpenis or any agent for that matter
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 11:03:35 PM
if boldin really wanted to leave arizona and arizona didnt want him hed be on another team right now...i think people over estimate the power of rosenpenis or any agent for that matter
You are completely missing the point. Its not about RosenWhore its about a guy pricing himself out of the market. Why take on the exact problem that is causing the guy to be on the outs with his present team. If a new team can't work out a deal...no trade.
You are not going to bring him in and say hey buddy how 'bout playin out your contract for us instead of the team that drafted you?
there is no pricing out in todays nfl market...almost every team has unlimited money....cardinals never had any intention of trading boldin
Agreed. If Boldin was out there for a fair price, he'd be on a new team right now. I don't think the money was the issue. Teams would pay him what he wanted. The Sal Pal rumor about the price drop for Boldin was obviously BS, and the Cardinals obviously wanted way too much for him.
Can't blame the Eagles for this at all.
Also remember, the 1 and the 3 was all speculation. Arizona never even confirmed that. For all we know, they wanted a 1 and a 2. Which means no McCoy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
espn had valid points....many of the same things were brought up on wip when the pick was made
some people just cant handle an outlet not slurping all over their own team
What was ESPN and WIP saying?
Was Rob Charry doing the WIP show? Because if he was, just throw out whatever he was saying. Dude drips negativity.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
im not even a boldin or bust guy but why would you care how much the eagles have to pay for him.....either you want him or not...
I wanted him. But it doesn't matter what they want either. You know the Eagles game....young and cheap. They never give a cent more or cave to negotiations. So maybe they wanted Boldin, and apparently Eskin said they did, but once they heard he wanted massive cash, they backed off and said "10M for a 29yr old WR? Let's write down Jeremy Maclin in crayon and call it a day".
I'm just glad they are addressing the position. Hell, they could have pulled a JAX and drafted OT after OT.
both were basically questioning the pick because macklin is a carbon copy of pimp and he will never be a number one wr so why do that two years in a row.....and if youre gonna use the one on him why not trade it for braylon or boldin
im not agreeing or disagreeing im just saying these were the things they were saying and they are all valid
Absolutely valid. I dig the Maclin pick because I like them having the speed and playmaking ability of Pimp and Maclin to go along with Curtis, Baskett and Avant. That is a pretty solid group there.
Question is...whose gonna trade for Cheggie?
id give vanny serrato a call
Maybe JAX will take him.
Mack is not a Pimp clone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 11:03:35 PM
if boldin really wanted to leave arizona and arizona didnt want him hed be on another team right now...i think people over estimate the power of rosenpenis or any agent for that matter
Dr. Rosenrosen?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2009, 01:56:38 AM
Question is...whose gonna trade for Cheggie?
Reggie and a 5th to Minnesota for a 4th. Some garbage like that.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 26, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Mack is not a Pimp clone.
That comparison's being made because they're close to the same size and both return punts. Maclin's more physical, he can break a tackle or two. Pimp runs better routes.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 25, 2009, 10:47:03 PMBoth of the Eagles picks are 20 year old sophomores...
When Donovan was drafted, these guys were ten year olds.
So, they can play for the Eagles for 10 years until they're too old to get paid.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 07:00:38 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 26, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Mack is not a Pimp clone.
That comparison's being made because they're close to the same size and both return punts. Maclin's more physical, he can break a tackle or two. Pimp runs better routes.
He also, per CBS' scouting report, caught the highest percentage of passes thrown to him in D1 last year. Part of it has to do with some of the shorter routes he ran, but he has very solid hands, something that was a big question for Jackson coming out of Cal. The biggest question is whether he can get off of physical press coverage and how quickly he can learn to run intermediate routes.
Somewhat interesting (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=4096364)
Quote10. Which draft pick will have the biggest impact on the league this fall? Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin. The odds are pretty slim that we'll see a quarterback in this year's class have the kind of rookie seasons that Atlanta's Matt Ryan and Baltimore's Joe Flacco produced in 2008.
Maclin, however, should have an opportunity to help an offense in the same ways Denver's Eddie Royal and Philadelphia's DeSean Jackson helped theirs last year. Jackson, in particular, thrived on his quickness and explosiveness. Maclin has the potential to be equally dangerous as a slot receiver and return man.
good find SD
I'm surprised to hear that since a lot of commentators criticized his route running and insinuated it would take a lot to coach his routes up to NFL level. No question he should have impact as a return man right away though.
NFLN seems to love the Maclin pick...will ESPN is questioning it. He was the 2nd best WR in the draft and some even thought he was more pro-ready then Crabtree. It was a great steal at 19
Utz family size salt n vinegar on sale for $2.50 at the Teets. Hells yes.
Quote from: mikey418 on April 26, 2009, 09:54:38 AM
NFLN seems to love the Maclin pick...will ESPN is questioning it. He was the 2nd best WR in the draft and some even thought he was more pro-ready then Crabtree. It was a great steal at 19
I think I heard the Raiders say they would have taken Maclin over Crabtree if Heyward-Bey wasn't available. Not sure if you can consider that a good endorsement though.
Shonn Greene to the Jets
Michael Johnson to the Bengals
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2009, 10:34:40 AM
Michael Johnson to the Bengals
IGY's gonna kill himself.
Or he'll just buy a Bengals butta joint.
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2009, 10:44:54 AM
Or he'll just buy a Bengals butta joint.
No one has that bad of taste in jerseys. Especially not IGY.
So, apparently the Broncos traded up late yesterday to get a TE because they might be shopping Scheffler. Hit?
Eagles on the clock in 3 picks. None of the TEs were taken yet...
I'd love Coffman... would really like Ingram too.
I'm calling Ingram. But it will probably be a total head scratcher instead.
Gimme Ingram. Dude would have been Rd1 if he hadn't blown out his knee.
And I would also be banging Jessica Alba if I wasn't born so ugly.
They just traded back with the Giants.
They get #91 and their #164, their 165,397th 5th round pick.
They are gonna farging OWN that round.
GD it. I guess they couldn't decide amongst the TE's out there either.
all of the TEs should still be there at 91
The Giants use the pick to take a 6'6" WR - I guess Eli really needs a tall guy.
Giants take Ramses Barden, WR Cal Poly
Another engineer.
Random run on marginally talented WRs
Maybe now the Eagles use 9 of their 5th rounders to move back into the 4th.
Teams must be really freaked out about DJ Moore's size, huh?
And the WR blue light special continues...
Cook is gone.
farg.
Goddamnit.
ESPN says Seattle is next. Did the Eagles trade back again?
SEA is on the clock...
who needs third round picks? they don't make up important depth on your team...now, 5th round picks? HOLLA!
...
So they have 5 5th rounders???
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2009, 11:45:37 AM
...
Day 1: A-
Day 2: WTFBBQ?
7 of the last 10 picks were receivers, counting Cook...heh
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 26, 2009, 11:47:19 AM
So they have 5 5th rounders???
Six:
Their own
From Browns
From Jets
From Patriots
From Giants
From Seahawks
was it definitely a 5th? farging espn doesn't run down any trades
Yeah, it was another 5th. A 6th or 7th this year too... and I think a 3rd next year.
Spadaro says:
#137 (5th)
#213 (7th)
3rd in '10.
Quote from: SunMo on April 26, 2009, 11:48:44 AM
was it definitely a 5th? farging espn doesn't run down any trades
First pick in the 5th round.
So they now have nine more picks today? WTF? Are they just planning to scoop up every player that feel through the cracks on a best-player-available binge? This is weird.
So Seattle traded up to pick Deon Butler... that's basically the same as getting Crabtree in the first, right?
Remaining picks:
Round 5, Pick 1 (137) (From Lions through Seahawks)
Round 5, Pick 5 (141) (From Browns)
Round 5, Pick 17 (153) (From Jets)
Round 5, Pick 21 (157)
Round 5, Pick 23 (159) (From Patriots)
Round 5, Pick 28 (164) (From Giants)
Round 6, Pick 21 (194)
Round 7, Pick 4 (213) (From Seahawks)
Round 7, Pick 21 (230)
so, they have no 3rd this year
Nope.
Wait, ESPN says that they have the 21st pick in the 4th...
Also, the Cardinals just got a really good player in Rashad Johnson.
???????????????????
ESPN is wrong.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2009, 11:50:12 AM
So they now have nine more picks today? WTF? Are they just planning to scoop up every player that feel through the cracks on a best-player-available binge? This is weird.
Well, they basically have the ammo now to get back into the draft at any position they want, if they are targeting someone specific. And if they want to just stick with all these 5th rounders, I'm fully in favor of just taking the shotgun approach of drafting a bunch of guys and hoping a few of them stick. There's always 5th rounders who become stars and half of even the first rounders will be flat-out busts. A lot of randomness involved. More picks = better odds.
they gave up the 4th in the Peters trade
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
they gave up the 4th in the Peters trade
Oh right. Der.
We're smarter than everybody else.
Great. Now Chase Coffman is gone.
Motherfarger.
They better get thier asses up there and get Cornelius Griffin now.
There are still quite a few tight ends left.
So if they're taergeting someone specific, they would rather take a chance on getting beat to the pick and pay them 4th or 5th round money instead of 3rd?? Don't think they want them real bad.
Per Brookover:
QuoteDon't be surprised if they use their extra third-round pick in next year's draft to make a trade with Denver for tight end Tony Scheffler. The teams have talked about a deal and the Eagles told the Broncos they would be interested depending on what they do in this draft.
I like Scheffler.
That's the least they can do after stealing Moreno & Dawk from "us".
This is going to be the BEST 5th round EVER!
Odd.
someone please tell me maulugua has been picked and i just cant find him on the board
No, he's still available. Reid mentioned him earlier and said he'd never be an Eagle. Ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 12:37:07 PM
someone please tell me maulugua has been picked and i just cant find him on the board
Bengals took him #38
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
No, he's still available. Reid mentioned him earlier and said he'd never be an Eagle. Ever.
Ha. Ha.
id like to see the eagles go for xaiver fulton (i think hes still out there)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
id like to see the eagles go for xaiver fulton (i think hes still out there)
Look test: Pass. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/xavier-fulton?id=71307)
andy should flip all of our (6?) 5th rounders and 6th rounders, so we can pick every selection in the 7th round! you know what he says, more picks = more chances someone is going to be successful!
Six 5th Rounders = OL and QB of the future.
Brilliant plan.
I thought they had 5 5th rounders heading into the draft then got two more with their 3rd equaling 7.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
I thought they had 5 5th rounders heading into the draft then got two more with their 3rd equaling 7.
Draft tracker says 6.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:5
DJ Moore just went to the Bears...I wanted him.
They do indeed have 6.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 26, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
I thought they had 5 5th rounders heading into the draft then got two more with their 3rd equaling 7.
Draft tracker says 6.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:5
I wasn't disagreeing with your last post I was simply wondering where the other 5th round pick went.
They only had 4 heading into the draft.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 26, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
I thought they had 5 5th rounders heading into the draft then got two more with their 3rd equaling 7.
Draft tracker says 6.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:5
I wasn't disagreeing with your last post I was simply wondering where the other 5th round pick went.
Andy ate it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
They only had 4 heading into the draft.
Just noticed that, too many 5ths makes the brain hurt
Bills just took Shawn Nelson with the Eagles 4th they got in the Peters deal
If they snag an LB, a QB for competition with Kolb, maybe another CB, and manage to swing Scheffler for next year's third either today or tomorrow, I'll be happy.
they need a T or two...the depth at that position is scary bad...could upgrade the lb depth as well
i like that guy ashlee palmer from ole miss...hes undersized but i think he has some late round potential...at worst hed be an excellent special teamer
so birds next pick is 153?
Yeah... late start for the Birds today.
time for me to start drinking again, my liver is destroyed after last night
yeah im about start up again as well...and thats word to govt mondays off
on the draft front mel's #10 best available is a punter....why not take a shot
The Eagles certainly seem to be loading up with guys that can play right away.
The only thing they didn't accomplish was the accomplished reciever and the more time goes by the more I think all that was just smoke to give the talking heads and fans something to drone on about.
there goes the punter
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 02:19:25 PM
there goes the punter
The Cincinnati punter goes to... wait for it... Cincinnati.
I'm guessing you're going to give them a solid A for the draft?
James Casey and Cornelius Ingram are still on the board...
I think this adds up. If anyone wants to check it be my guest.
Left side = Eagles lose
Right side = Eagles gain
2009 1st (#21 overall) + Kelly Holcomb = Jeremy Maclin
2009 2nd (#53 overall) = LeSean McCoy
2009 3rd (#85 overall) + Hank Fraley = 2009 5th (#164 overall) + Ellis Hobbs + 2009 7th (#213 overall) + Seahawks 2010 3rd
2009 4th (#121 overall) + 2008 1st (#19 overall) + 2008 5th (#152 overall) = Jason Peters + Mike McGlynn + Trevor Laws + Quintin Demps
2009 5th (#157 overall) = ?
2009 6th (#194 overall) = ?
2009 7th (#230 overall) = ?
Lito Sheppard = 2009 5th (#153 overall) + 2010 conditional
Greg Lewis + 2010 conditional = 2009 5th (#195 overall)
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2009, 02:28:34 PM
I think this adds up. If anyone wants to check it be my guest.
Left side = Eagles lose
Right side = Eagles gain
2009 1st (#21 overall) + Kelly Holcomb = Jeremy Maclin
2009 2nd (#53 overall) = LeSean McCoy
2009 3rd (#85 overall) + Hank Fraley = 2009 5th (#164 overall) + Ellis Hobbs + 2009 7th (#213 overall) + Seahawks 2010 3rd
2008 1st (#19 overall) + 2008 5th (#152 overall) + 2009 4th (#121 overall) = Jason Peters + Mike McGlynn + Trevor Laws + Quintin Demps
2009 5th (#157 overall) = ?
2009 6th (#194 overall) = ?
2009 7th (#230 overall) = ?
Lito Sheppard = 2009 5th (#153 overall) + 2010 conditional
Greg Lewis + 2010 conditional = 2009 5th (#195 overall)
this confuses me, my brain hertz
Nice workup, QB. Let me drink a few more beers, and I'll consider actually reading past the 2nd line of it.
man rashad jennings is still available...hed be a nice pick now...try the thing they were going for when they took hunt
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
man rashad jennings is still available...hed be a nice pick now...try the thing they were going for when they took hunt
3 viable RB's wouldn't be a bad thing, because you know they've got no faith in Booker.
wonder whats up with ingram...the ravens who might have the best PP dept in the nfl just took davon drew over him
Mayock said he might need another knee surgery. That's prob why.
Dammit, Casey went one pick before us.
Quote from: King Cole on April 26, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
Dammit, Casey went one pick before us.
what position do you play?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
man rashad jennings is still available...hed be a nice pick now...try the thing they were going for when they took hunt
yes yes yes
Ingram!
Ingram it is
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 26, 2009, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: King Cole on April 26, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
Dammit, Casey went one pick before us.
what position do you play?
I'm a Philadelphian. The Philadelphia Eagles means it is more my team than it'll ever be Lurie's.
Left side = Eagles lose
Right side = Eagles gain
2009 1st (#21 overall) + Kelly Holcomb = Jeremy Maclin
2009 2nd (#53 overall) = LeSean McCoy
2009 3rd (#85 overall) + Hank Fraley = 2009 5th (#164 overall) + Ellis Hobbs + 2009 7th (#213 overall) + Seahawks 2010 3rd
2009 4th (#121 overall) + 2008 1st (#19 overall) + 2008 5th (#152 overall) = Jason Peters + Mike McGlynn + Trevor Laws + Quintin Demps
2009 5th (#157 overall) = Victor Harris
2009 6th (#194 overall) = ?
2009 7th (#230 overall) = ?
Lito Sheppard = Cornelius Ingram + 2010 conditional
Greg Lewis + 2010 conditional = Fenuki Tupou
Odd that the team is going for the selections most fans wanted with the last two picks.
Ingram's knee must be really messed up for him to fall as far as he did.
hes a head case too...but still how do you take davon drew over him
How did so many teams pass on Jackson last year? Teams make dumb picks.
farg....fulton just went
MACHO
Victor Harris.. CB VT
no way do they not go Offensive lineman here, but i want eitehr Ringer or Jennings
Fenuki Tupou (Oregon OT)
One happy jappy
Traded again (New Orleans)
What'd they get? Reggie Bush?
Simoneau.
I think a 4th next year?
Saints take a punter from SMU
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2009, 03:29:02 PM
Simoneau.
They needed someone to spell Akers in camp. Great pick-up.
Seems like a 5th next year and their 7th rounder this year.
saints traded up for a punter
| Eagles gave up | | Eagles got |
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2009 1st (#21 overall)
Kelly Holcomb | | Jeremy Maclin (WR) |
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2009 2nd (#53 overall) | | LeSean McCoy (RB) |
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2009 3rd (#85 overall)
Hank Fraley | | Ellis Hobbs (CB)
| Paul Fanaika (OG)
| Colts 2010 6th
| Seahawks 2010 3rd
| Saints 2010 5th
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2009 4th (#121 overall)
2008 1st (#19 overall)
2008 5th (#152 overall) | | Jason Peters
| Mike McGlynn
| Trevor Laws
| Quintin Demps
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2009 5th (#157 overall) | | Victor Harris (CB) |
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2009 6th (#194 overall) | | Brandon Gibson (WR) |
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2009 7th (#230 overall) | | Moise Fokou (OLB) |
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Lito Sheppard | | Cornelius Ingram (TE)
| 2010 conditional |
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Greg Lewis
2010 conditional | | Fenuki Tupou (OT) |
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TRADE UP AND GET JENNINGS.
Cowboys took USC's kicker, who outbenched Maualuga and Matthews
Reid is on ESPN right now.
I had to go out for a couple of hours, what did I miss? Apparently there was some kind of trade, since we are short half our 5th rounders? I saw the picks so far but haven't been able to find anything about a trade?
Can't argue with a player nick named Macho...
Quote from: NGM on April 26, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
Reid is on ESPN right now.
He actually showed some personality too. It was weird
He didn't actually answer any of the questions, though.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
I had to go out for a couple of hours, what did I miss? Apparently there was some kind of trade, since we are short half our 5th rounders?
Sent two of them to New England for Ellis Hobbs and one to New Orleans for a 7th and a 5th next year.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
I had to go out for a couple of hours, what did I miss? Apparently there was some kind of trade, since we are short half our 5th rounders?
Sent two of them to New England for Ellis Hobbs and one to New Orleans for a 7th and a 5th next year.
Thanks! The draft sites are good for keeping up with picks, but not with trade info...
Eagles on the clock. ESPN says the Eagles still have the Cleveland pick they gave up for Maclin??
Come on Rashad Jennings...
Saints receive:
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 164): P Thomas Morstead
Eagles receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222)
» 2010 fifth-round pick
Brandon Gibson (Washington State WR)
Chris Carter just said Ingram is the steal of the draft
Ingram will eat Brent Celek's babies. And I like Celek.
Goddammit, draft Jennings so I can stop paying attention to this shtein.
Eagles on the clock
Javarris Williams. Folks HAVE to be avoiding Jennings for some reason.
OG?
Fodder. lol
Another O-lineman, OG, Paul Fanaika.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 26, 2009, 05:41:44 PM
OG?
Fodder. lol
He's hot.
(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/71293.jpg)
Eagles traded #222 to Indy for a 6th next year.
#222 traded to the Colts
Have they cornered next year's 6th round market now?
another samoan? you all realize that 99.99% of all samoans are mormans. just a fun little fact.
Paul Fanaika Arizona State Guard
Final pick: Moise Fouku, LB from Maryland.
When someone asks me who they drafted this year I think I'll just throw up. The sound I make will probably be closer than any attempt I make at pronouncing these guys names.
Here's what the Eagles did with their picks:
| Eagles gave up | | Eagles got |
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2009 1st (#21 overall)
Kelly Holcomb | | Jeremy Maclin (WR) |
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2009 2nd (#53 overall) | | LeSean McCoy (RB) |
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2009 3rd (#85 overall)
Hank Fraley | | Ellis Hobbs (CB)
| Paul Fanaika (OG)
| Colts 2010 6th
| Seahawks 2010 3rd
| Saints 2010 5th
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2009 4th (#121 overall)
2008 1st (#19 overall)
2008 5th (#152 overall) | | Jason Peters
| Mike McGlynn
| Trevor Laws
| Quintin Demps
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2009 5th (#157 overall) | | Victor Harris (CB) |
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2009 6th (#194 overall) | | Brandon Gibson (WR) |
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2009 7th (#230 overall) | | Moise Fokou (OLB) |
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Lito Sheppard | | Cornelius Ingram (TE)
| 2010 conditional |
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Greg Lewis
2010 conditional | | Fenuki Tupou (OT) |
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When did Chris Carter become such a raging twat?
I don't know but he picked the Eagles for his "team that did best in the draft."
Last pick doesn't even get his own thread? Agreed. farg him.
So, does this draft/off-season satisfy those who said the Eagles need to add weapons/support around Numbah 5? :paranoid
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 26, 2009, 07:32:01 PM
So, does this draft/off-season satisfy those who said the Eagles need to add weapons/support around Numbah 5? :paranoid
i like the picks and think it was a pretty solid draft. it's hard to argue against the maclin and mccoy picks. however, i think those picks were made to support #4, not #5. kolb has never started a game in the league yet, and he's already got a better recieving corps waiting for him than donnie mac ever did.
Lesser QB needs more tools to succeed. It's logical at least...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2009, 06:03:51 PM
#222 traded to the Colts
Colts receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222):
P Pat McAfee
Eagles receive:
» 2010 sixth-round pick
first UDFA = Marcus Thigpen (Indiana RB)
Thigpen is a ridiculous returner. They've got like 12 guys more than capable of taking it to the house now. I doubt he's even 200lbs. Might hang out when they drop Booker, dude has insane burst and moves, but is tiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjw1TKNALbM&feature=related
Man, if they ever get some guys that know how to block on special teams, the Eagles are gonna be AWESOME!
why would thigpen sign with a team that has drafted/acquired 700 small quick ass return men in the last 12 months
Because someone said "here's some money, you semi-talented bastich" - that's my guess.
3 more UDFAs:
Josh Gaines (Penn State DL)
Brandon Robinson (Boston College WR)
Reshard Langford (Vanderbilt SS)
Quote from: General_Failure on April 26, 2009, 10:16:17 PM
Because someone said "here's some money, you semi-talented bastich" - that's my guess.
that only makes sense if the eagles were the only team doing that...and maybe they were....because i think of a team he has less chance to make than the birds
Quote(http://media.philly.com/images/picks.gif)
LeSean McCoy (left) and Jeremy Maclin get a tour of the Eagles' locker room from equipment manager John Hatfield on Sunday. Said Hatfield "this is just the nickel tour guys, congratulations and welcome. Would you like to pay now or have it taken out of your game check?"
macklin is a bordeline look test fail...motherfarger looks OLD
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 01:16:26 AM
macklin is a bordeline look test fail...motherfarger looks OLD
He might look old but he doesn't fail the receivers-that-look-like-Jerry-Rice test
(http://media.philly.com/images/picks.gif)
(http://www.iconsportsmedia.com/image_dir/album29682/md_450ny1_388_Jerry_Rice.jpg)
and Eagaholic definitely passes the 'guy-that-thinks-all-blacks-look-the-same' test.
haha i was gonna say something earlier but i chose to hold off
at least mack could have a beard or something
i mean i look like brad pitt if those two look similar
I new that would be coming when I posted, just not from who (although I did not correctly anticipate the Brad Pitt analogy).
Eagaholic...better yet, an old comedian by the name of A.J. Jamal?
(http://www.aclu.org/conference/2008/jamal.jpg)
Quote from: PPinDC on April 26, 2009, 10:03:35 PM
Thigpen is a ridiculous returner. They've got like 12 guys more than capable of taking it to the house now. I doubt he's even 200lbs. Might hang out when they drop Booker, dude has insane burst and moves, but is tiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjw1TKNALbM&feature=related
I found this while rooting around :o
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/kick_ret_yds_per_ret_career.htm
Quote from: hbionic on April 27, 2009, 03:21:36 AM
Eagaholic...better yet, an old comedian by the name of A.J. Jamal?
(http://www.aclu.org/conference/2008/jamal.jpg)
Why he's the spittin image of Obama
I had the same thought about Maclin looking old at his PC. Maclin looks young when dressed in anything but a suit. In a suit he looks like a 45 year-old salesman.
Quote"The Eagles could reportedly still make a move for Tony Scheffler involving a 2010 draft pick.
Philadelphia drafted a similar vertical tight end in Cornelius Ingram on day two, but he may sit out the season if he needs more ACL surgery. The Eagles are reportedly willing to pay a 2010 third-rounder for Scheffler. They'll likely see how Ingram's knee holds up in minicamps before making a move.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
Eagles signed Sam Swank from WFU as a UDFA place kicker.
He was considered the best kicker in his class until he was injured last year. He has the leg to make 65 yard kicks. He'll get a long look from the Eagles if he can kick like he did at Wake.
i was out on sunday. what did they get when they traded out of the 3rd? and was there someone available at that pick they could've used? maybe a DE?
i love me some Swank Magazine
Quote from: hunt on April 27, 2009, 09:11:53 AM
i was out on sunday. what did they get when they traded out of the 3rd? and was there someone available at that pick they could've used? maybe a DE?
Moved from 85 to 91 and picked up the Giants 5th int he process, then shipped 91 to Seattle for their 3rd next year, this years 5th and I believe this years 7th. I would have been happy with Ingram in the 3rd, that they got him in the 5th makes it that much better. Jared Cook was still out there when they made the trade. I think they eventually traded those two 5ths for Ellis Hobbs. So they made out pretty damn well.
Quote from: hunt on April 27, 2009, 09:11:53 AM
i was out on sunday. what did they get when they traded out of the 3rd? and was there someone available at that pick they could've used? maybe a DE?
From the comprehensive list of draft weekend trades (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80ff4515&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true):
Giants receive:
» 2009 third-round pick (No. 85):
WR Ramses Barden
Eagles receive:
» 2009 third-round pick (No. 91): Traded to Seahawks
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 164): Traded to Saints
Seahawks receive:
» 2009 third-round pick (No. 91):
WR Deon Butler
Eagles receive:
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 137): Traded to Patriots
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 213):
RB Javarris Williams OG Paul Fanaika (NFL.com screwed up)
» 2010 third-round pick
Eagles receive:
» CB Ellis Hobbs
Patriots receive:
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 137): Traded to Ravens
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 141): Traded to Ravens
Saints receive:
» 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 164):
P Thomas Morstead
Eagles receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222): Traded to Colts
» 2010 fifth-round pick
Colts receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222):
P Pat McAfee
Eagles receive:
» 2010 sixth-round pick
And I know you're probably just being "hilarious" about the DE comment, but this is the only defensive lineman taken from pick 85 through the end of the 3rd round (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/corvey-irvin?id=79579).
QB Eagles did a very nerdy breakdown (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=20319.msg676511#msg676511) of what the Eagles got for what they traded. Good luck with that.
In all, the Eagles had half of the fifth round picks at one time or another.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Eagles receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222): Traded to Colts
» 2010 fifth-round pick
Eagles receive:
» 2010 sixth-round pick
Real talk... these were pretty smart moves considering they were without picks in 5th, 6th and 7th in '10.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 27, 2009, 09:11:53 AM
i was out on sunday. what did they get when they traded out of the 3rd? and was there someone available at that pick they could've used? maybe a DE?
Moved from 85 to 91 and picked up the Giants 5th int he process, then shipped 91 to Seattle for their 3rd next year, this years 5th and I believe this years 7th. I would have been happy with Ingram in the 3rd, that they got him in the 5th makes it that much better. Jared Cook was still out there when they made the trade. I think they eventually traded those two 5ths for Ellis Hobbs. So they made out pretty damn well.
thanks...turning that pick into a 3rd next year & ellis hobbs is pretty damn good.
i'm not a fan of juqua thomasparker starting so i thought that pick might have been a good time to find an upgrade...but i guess there wasn't much left at DE by then.
hilarious, indeed.
Updated UDFA signings:
OL Dallas Reynolds, Brigham Young (Reid had to get him some Morman at some point)
RB Marcus Thigpen, Indiana (Nutty Kick Return Specialist, small)
DL Josh Gaines, Penn State
WR Brandon Robinson, Boston College
SS Reshard Langford, Vanderbilt
FB Marcus Mailei, Weber State (Another Samoan!)
RB Walter Mendenhall, Illinois State (A big back with speed, Rashard Mendenhall's brother, def could make the team, see below)
QuoteWalter Mendenhall/RB/Illinois State: Older brother to Pittsburgh Steelers running back Rashad Mendenhall, the Illinois State product is just as big and strong carrying the ball. His game film is outstanding as Walter shows power on the inside, speed in the open field and the ability to slip tackles then create yardage. The Cincinnati Bengals have shown a lot of interest in Walter; they brought him into their facility for an official visit.
I was surprised he wasn't picked in the late rounds yesterday...
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 27, 2009, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Eagles receive:
» 2009 seventh-round pick (No. 222): Traded to Colts
» 2010 fifth-round pick
Eagles receive:
» 2010 sixth-round pick
Real talk... these were pretty smart moves considering they were without picks in 5th, 6th and 7th in '10.
Anyone have a breakdown of what their draft looks like for 2010? I don't feel like looking it up.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
Anyone have a breakdown of what their draft looks like for 2010? I don't feel like looking it up.
Fat guys in shorts and black shirts sitting in a cramped room, trying to pretend the camera and Joe Banner aren't there.
I like the Mendenhall and Langford signings.
A backfield of Westbrook, McCoy, Mendenhall and Weaver would be a great mix of size and youth and experience. I guess you can throw Booker in there or something as well. Or not. Who cares.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 10:51:53 AMAnyone have a breakdown of what their draft looks like for 2010? I don't feel like looking it up.
1 = own
2 = own
3 = own, Seattle
4 = own, NY Jets (could escalate to a 2 or 3 based on what Lito does)
5 = New Orleans
6 = Indianapolis
7 = none
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
Anyone have a breakdown of what their draft looks like for 2010? I don't feel like looking it up.
2010 Eagles draft picks:
* 1st Round
* 2nd Round
* 3rd Round
* 3rd Round - From Seattle
* 4th Round
* TBD - From New York Jets in Lito Sheppard trade (Pick could be as high as a 2nd or as low as a 4th.)
* 5th Round
* 5th Round - From New Orleans
* 6th Round - From Indianapolis
*
6th Round - Pick sent to Buffalo in Jason Peters trade
*
7th Round - Pwn pick sent to New England in Greg Lewis trade
Thanks, nerds.
BigEd beat me to the punch, but don't the Eagles still have their own 5th rounder next year?
did anyone sign dre'mail hardin....i wanted the eagles to sign that guy so bad
not yet
the 5th was included in the Lito deal if he plays 85% of the snaps, which is an OK trade-off if the 4th turns into a 2nd
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 01:16:26 AM
macklin is a bordeline look test fail...motherfarger looks OLD
he's 4 months younger than the oldest 21-yr old ever....Greg Oden
Trade Reggie Brown for a 4th in 2010 and the WR corps is set.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 27, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
not yet
the 5th was included in the Lito deal if he plays 85% of the snaps, which is an OK trade-off if the 4th turns into a 2nd
Why would the Eagles have to give up MORE if Lito plays more snaps? Doesn't make sense, Ed.
Quote"The conditional pick in '10 can rise to a second-rounder, but only if he hits an 85 percent playing-time plateau and receives the 4-year extension (triggered by a $10M roster bonus). And if that does happen, the Jets would get a fifth-rounder back from the Eagles.
"If Sheppard makes 85 percent, but doesn't receive the extension, the Jets would owe a third-rounder to the Eagles and would recoup a fifth rounder."
so either way, the 5th goes to the Jets unless he doesn't reach the 85%
So, he already got his extension, right? Either the Eagles get a 4th for free, or give up the 5th and get a 2nd?
I don't think the extension kicks in unless they pay the bonus, so if things go bad and they don't bring him back in 2010, the Jets got a one-year rental for the pick the Eagles used on Ingram and a 2nd-day pick next year and that's it...
3rd rounders are 2nd day picks now, hater.
from one Gator to another
Right, so they're worth less than they used to be.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 27, 2009, 11:40:25 AM
Quote"The conditional pick in '10 can rise to a second-rounder, but only if he hits an 85 percent playing-time plateau and receives the 4-year extension (triggered by a $10M roster bonus). And if that does happen, the Jets would get a fifth-rounder back from the Eagles.
"If Sheppard makes 85 percent, but doesn't receive the extension, the Jets would owe a third-rounder to the Eagles and would recoup a fifth rounder."
so either way, the 5th goes to the Jets unless he doesn't reach the 85%
In the other thread, it says their putting him at nickel.
Do you think they're doing that to ensure he doesn't make the 85%? [/conspiracy theorist]
If Mangini was still coach there, I'd put a little more stock in that thought...
haha, from FOXsports.com
QuoteFunniest Crowd Moment of the Round: The Philadelphia Eagles cheerleaders are in the house. How do I say this? Well, they're not exactly unattractive. They trot out a Patriots fan in a Troy Brown jersey on stage and have Giants tight end Kevin Boss ask him a trivia question. They introduce Boss and the Giants-friendly crowd gives him huge applause. They introduce the guy in the Pats jersey and the New York crowd showers him with boos. They then introduce Shauna, the Eagles cheerleader. She smiles, waves, and gets a standing ovation.
Was Mel Kiper's skin always orange or did he hit the tanning beds a little too often this draft weekend?
Maybe its all the pumpkin pies he eats? Dude eats one a day.
I read where he evaluated Mort's kid on set and said he'd be better off coaching. Must've been a little awkward.
ESPN's talking heads always look a little orange to me. Tom Jackson was looking especially orange over draft weekend.
kipers grade...
Philadelphia Eagles: GRADE: B-
Wide receiver Jeremy Maclin was a good pick, but he needs to work on his route running to be a consistent threat in the NFL. Running back LeSean McCoy was a good selection in the second round and so was tight end Cornelius Ingram in the fifth round. The fifth round was a good round for the Eagles, who also picked up cornerback Victor Harris and offensive tackle Fenuki Tupou.
All of their picks were good! B-
What?
i think good is the key word (he said it three times)
not great
I give your face a solid C-
Updating the UDFA's...
two more added to the list...
FB Marcus Mailei from Weber St
CB Courtney Robinson from UMASS
QuoteEagles Sign Nine Undrafted Rookies
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 27, 2009, 4:10 p.m.
Signing nine undrafted rookie free agents, the Philadelphia Eagles definitely kept an eye on their offensive backfield by acquiring three running backs.
That group includes Illinois State's Walter Mendenhall, Pittsburgh Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall's older brother.
Mendenhall is a 6′0," 225-pound Illinois transfer who rushed for 796 yards and 11 touchdowns during his lone season at Illinois State, averaging 6.3 yards per carry.
The Eagles also signed: offensive guard Dallas Reynolds (Brigham Young), wide receiver Brandon Robinson (Boston College), cornerback Courtney Robinson (Massachusetts), kicker Sam Swank (Wake Forest), running back Marcus Thigpen (Indiana), defensive end Josh Gaines (Penn State), safety Reshard Langford (Vanderbilt) and fullback Marcus Mailei (Weber State).
where the hell is dre'mail
Doesn't look like he's signed anywhere yet.
Earlier today on ESPN Justin Tuck named McCoy as the steal of the draft . The 4 pundits there named Maclin, Orapko, Maualuga and Crabtree as their picks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
where the hell is dre'mail
He's being used to grind tiny screws down flat in some garage.
Has anyone ever been nerdy enough to attempt to match up analysts' draft grades and predictions with actual performance in the NFL? Other than that guy who does stats for the Patriots? Some analysts gotta be better than others, but I'm sure even the best ones are rather horrible predictors.
I'm nerdy, but not nerdy enough to tackle that one. But there are definitely some football fans who are nerdy enough, and you'd think that they would have blogs.
I've wondered that too.
I'll tell you someone who is a must read is Rick Gosselin. His shtein is so good that his mock and rankings are looked at by some of the teams.
So the burning question now is when do the Eagles plan to bring in another punter.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9501382
QuotePhiladelphia
When rating this draft, start by remembering the Eagles used a first-round pick for Buffalo offensive tackle Jason Peters, who has Pro Bowl talent. Peters will team with ex-Bengal Stacy Andrews to give Donovan McNabb two new protectors on the outside. Then, the Eagles lucked into Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin, who was rated No. 1 at his position on 18 teams' draft boards. Then in the second round, Pitt running back LeSean McCoy was another steal with 53rd overall pick. McCoy will give Brian Westbrook a breather this season.
Virginia Tech cornerback Victor Harris has only 4.6 speed, but he should be a core special-teams player. Harris did have 15 interceptions. You have to like the trade with New England in order to land cornerback Ellis Hobbs, who gives the Eagles some added depth in case they ever deal unhappy starter Sheldon Brown. Florida TE Cornelius Ingram could be a steal if his knee is OK. Grade: A
QuoteDonovan Seems Pleased
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 12:32 p.m. EDT
We haven't heard much from Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb since reports emerged that he'd take a wait-and-see approach to the team's offseason, and that he'd possibly ask to be traded if the franchise didn't do enough to improve the roster.
After the addition of two tackles, a Pro Bowl-caliber fullback, a first-round receiver who fell into their laps, and a couple of new defensive players, McNabb sounds as committed as ever to the cause as he prepares to return to town for a mandatory minicamp that opens later this week.
"You'll notice that I am ready to move forward," McNabb writes in his latest Yardbarker blog entry. "I'm the first to admit that you must learn from your failures, I also believe that you cannot change the past. It's time to focus on the future.
"As with every minicamp since I've been in the league, I'm excited about meeting my new teammates, getting to know them and working together on the field. We now have a lot of new, young skill position players and it will be exciting and interesting to see how they become acclimated to what we do here. If they can come in here and take their game to the next level, they will be productive pros and we can achieve great successes together. I want to welcome the new rookies and am excited to get to work with them...
Looks like maybe McNabb satisfied enough for another year without needing another contract?
he makes 9 10 12 and 14 mil in the next four seasons
he aint getting shtein other than his own roster spot
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2009, 01:08:53 PM
QuoteDonovan Seems Pleased
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 12:32 p.m. EDT
We haven't heard much from Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb since reports emerged that he'd take a wait-and-see approach to the team's offseason, and that he'd possibly ask to be traded if the franchise didn't do enough to improve the roster.
After the addition of two tackles, a Pro Bowl-caliber fullback, a first-round receiver who fell into their laps, and a couple of new defensive players, McNabb sounds as committed as ever to the cause as he prepares to return to town for a mandatory minicamp that opens later this week.
"You'll notice that I am ready to move forward," McNabb writes in his latest Yardbarker blog entry. "I'm the first to admit that you must learn from your failures, I also believe that you cannot change the past. It's time to focus on the future.
"As with every minicamp since I've been in the league, I'm excited about meeting my new teammates, getting to know them and working together on the field. We now have a lot of new, young skill position players and it will be exciting and interesting to see how they become acclimated to what we do here. If they can come in here and take their game to the next level, they will be productive pros and we can achieve great successes together. I want to welcome the new rookies and am excited to get to work with them...
Looks like maybe McNabb satisfied enough for another year without needing another contract?
well if he thinks he should be making more than Ben Roth who's salary is only at $4.75 mill this year and $8.25 in 2010 I have some left-over shroom shake Im sure hed be interested in
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
he makes 9 10 12 and 14 mil in the next four seasons
he aint getting shtein other than his own roster spot
Maybe he just wants them to convert his existing salary to guaranteed money. That's totally not much to ask, right?
Ha.
you wanna guarantee 45 million dollars to an aging fragile qb
good luck with that
I was mocking you for saying it wasn't a big deal for Sheldon to ask for more of his money guaranteed, as you theorized.
i know what youre doing
but one has nothing to do with the other...like i said a million times it goes on a case by case basis and is detrmined by many different factors
But the FO saying no is never the right thing to do. Obviously.
I can't help but be excited about this draft and I can't wait for training camp now. Two offensive skill positions with the first two picks in the draft. At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft. I'd still love to have Boldin...
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
I can't help but be excited about this draft and I can't wait for training camp now. Two offensive skill positions with the first two picks in the draft. At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft. I'd still love to have Boldin...
Boldin+Pettigrew>Maclin+McCoy
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft.
Really though, he did the least he could to get new weapons. Trading for a proven receiver was too hard. Gonzalez was too old, even though that didn't stop a team with a much younger QB from grabbing him. Instead, Reid used a couple of draft picks in what is supposed to be a weak draft.
If this is Reid's best effort, he still fell short. I can give him credit for trying to keep McNabb off his back with the two new linemen, but I think we know how the season is going to play out.
yeah if having two guys fall to you in a draft is the BEST he could do then he didnt do enough
i love how people are just 100% assuming both these guys are going to contribute a lot this year
the draft was good but lets not act like the pedal is being put to the metal
9-6-1
1-9-6!
69 :crazy
Runyan's gone, gone gone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
yeah if having two guys fall to you in a draft is the BEST he could do then he didnt do enough
How many other teams used their draft picks to trade for proven veterans this year? Are you saying that no GM's are trying to win?
Eagles got Peters and Hobbs.
Bears got Cutler.
Falcons got Gonzalez (for a 2010 pick).
Browns got a handful of backups from the Jets.
The Eagles did a great job getting back to last year's level, offensively. The best you can say about them trying to improve is that they drafted a replacement for Cheggie.
Cowboys got Roy Williams
hahahahaha
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:22:36 PM
The Eagles did a great job getting back to last year's level, offensively. The best you can say about them trying to improve is that they drafted a replacement for Cheggie.
exactly
they REPLACED two tackles and did a fine job in doing it but is the offensive line definitely going to be better than last year or even as good?
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
Cowboys got Roy Williams
hahahahaha
i think he'll have a much better year with no TO there, that is to say i would be very surprised if he's under 800yds and 8 tds.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft.
Really though, he did the least he could to get new weapons. Trading for a proven receiver was too hard. Gonzalez was too old, even though that didn't stop a team with a much younger QB from grabbing him. Instead, Reid used a couple of draft picks in what is supposed to be a weak draft.
If this is Reid's best effort, he still fell short. I can give him credit for trying to keep McNabb off his back with the two new linemen, but I think we know how the season is going to play out.
I disagree, he built up the line, and added two top offensive draft prospects. If he'd have traded for Boldin, it would have been better, but I can't complain too much right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:22:36 PM
The Eagles did a great job getting back to last year's level, offensively. The best you can say about them trying to improve is that they drafted a replacement for Cheggie.
exactly
they REPLACED two tackles and did a fine job in doing it but is the offensive line definitely going to be better than last year or even as good?
There was at least one study I saw that showed that line contiunity was almost as important as talent. Meaning that if you are going to change the line, it had better be for a big improvement in talent, otherwise learning to play with each other results in worse performance.
The offensive line should be significantly better. Peters>>>>>Tra and Andrews is back. As for Stacy compared to Runyan? Not sure who's better at Runyan's point in his career. The biggest question by far is Stacy and his knee progress.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft.
Really though, he did the least he could to get new weapons. Trading for a proven receiver was too hard. Gonzalez was too old, even though that didn't stop a team with a much younger QB from grabbing him. Instead, Reid used a couple of draft picks in what is supposed to be a weak draft.
If this is Reid's best effort, he still fell short. I can give him credit for trying to keep McNabb off his back with the two new linemen, but I think we know how the season is going to play out.
Exactly. Hopefully these picks work and I give him credit for once selecting a skill position player in the first round but this is the 2nd best option and not the ideal scenario I envisioned.
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
There's no way you can knock the Eagles for not getting a proven receiver. Maclin was the best option available. Gonzalez you have a legit beef, though. If you wanted Boldin it would've probably taken a 1 and a 2, if not more. Since all that "a 2nd rounder will get it done now" Sal Pal was 100% total BS.
People who don't think the Eagles did enough this off-season need another Mike McMahon off-season to feel some pain.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
People who don't think the Eagles did enough this off-season need another Mike McMahon off-season to feel some pain.
Ha - that's probably why people are so easily excited about this draft. After the past two years drafts and prior offseasons lack of luster, the bar isn't really that high
This is from Donovan's blog where he was talking about the draft
Quote"Make no mistake, I've been training like crazy to make sure that I can improve as a quarterback and do everything necessary to try and win a championship for this city," McNabb wrote. "I said it before, I was inspired by the way the Phillies won the World Series and how they were treated by the city and their fans and I want to experience that myself in the worst way
You'll still get booed Donovan
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
Not true. A 1st round pick (with other considerations) would have gotten Edwards out of Cleveland. The Giants didn't get him because they refused to give more than a 2nd and 5th. A 1st would have gotten Chad out of Cincinnati as well, although he's not worth that price. Even though the Cards would have had to been blown away with an offer for Boldin... a 1st round pick would have gone a long way in doing so.
If the Eagles were serious about going after any of those guys, that 1st round pick they used on Maclin would have definitely landed Braylon or Chad or possibly Boldin.
The Gonzalez thing is just inexcusable.
nobody trades 1st rounders for WR's outside of the cowboys
cole from yesterday...
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
The offensive line should be significantly better. Peters>>>>>Tra and Andrews is back.
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
cole recently.....
Quote from: King Cole on April 17, 2009, 06:02:33 PM
But for anyone to say this move prevents you from getting Boldin, Edwards or anyone you wanted in the draft, then that is just ridiculous if you think Peters can play.
Quote from: King Cole on April 16, 2009, 02:57:49 PM
The Eagles haven't gave up nearly this much in a trade for a WR in the past. Then again, when was the last time a WR as good as Boldin was available for trade?
Plus the Eagles apparently are enamored with Boldin. With both firsts this year, I think the Eagles would do a deal like that this year if only this year. Especially if the 21st pick comes and Moreno, Pettigrew are already gone.
Quote from: King Cole on April 15, 2009, 11:38:48 PM
Boldin.... Philadelphia.
It's happening.
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2009, 11:17:38 PM
If Arizona ever decides they want to deal Boldin then he will be an Eagle by the end of that very week. The issue is Arizona doesn't want to deal him right now.
If they put him on the block, he's as good as an Eagle. Guaranteed.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
If they aren't giving up a first rounder, then they aren't getting him. That is the asking price.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I'd be much more worried about not only trading away a first rounder, and signing the player to a huge contract, PLUS having him on the most important part of your line than the Andrews signing. Andrews got a very small signing bonus. He could be let go if worst comes to worst at very little cost.
Peters is wanting to be paid as a top 5 LT I believe, plus you give up a first rounder. I say hell no to that and I take my chances in the draft or with Herremans.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Peters had an awful year. He gave up like 10 sacks or so. Sure he was good the years before that, but is it a lock he automatically reverts back to that level? Are you sure enough to give away a great draft pick?
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He's not your best friend. He's you. Supposedly.
oh thats right
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft.
Really though, he did the least he could to get new weapons. Trading for a proven receiver was too hard. Gonzalez was too old, even though that didn't stop a team with a much younger QB from grabbing him. Instead, Reid used a couple of draft picks in what is supposed to be a weak draft.
If this is Reid's best effort, he still fell short. I can give him credit for trying to keep McNabb off his back with the two new linemen, but I think we know how the season is going to play out.
this. i love this draft because of the potential we could see in 3 or 4 years. on paper it was a very solid draft and the eagles got good value with their picks. however, this draft appears to be focused on setting up kevin farging kolb for success rather than giving your 10 year veteran $100mil franchise quarterback to best possible tools to go out and win now.
mcnabb's is staying true to his usual form and saying and doing all the right things, but he's got to be farging pissed at reid and co for putting more effort into providing for kolb than they've ever put into providing for him.
Quote from: methdeez on April 28, 2009, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 04:22:36 PM
The Eagles did a great job getting back to last year's level, offensively. The best you can say about them trying to improve is that they drafted a replacement for Cheggie.
exactly
they REPLACED two tackles and did a fine job in doing it but is the offensive line definitely going to be better than last year or even as good?
There was at least one study I saw that showed that line contiunity was almost as important as talent. Meaning that if you are going to change the line, it had better be for a big improvement in talent, otherwise learning to play with each other results in worse performance.
ike reese was saying exactly this yesterday
But seriously, how long did you iceholes want to try to keep Thomas and Runyan, then? Runyan's not even healthy enough to play right now and may retire anyway. Thomas's new team has so much confidence in him that they drafted OT's with both of their first two picks.
Are you also suggesting that Nick Cole should be starting ahead of Andrews because he missed last season?
I mean, you're simply not making any sense. The line has to learn to play as a group and it doesn't always work out? No shtein! I guess we should keep them all FOREVAR!
lolololol
what are you babbling about?
why dont actually read what people write before spazzing out
the continuity thing with the o-line is def a much bigger concern than their overall talent. my preference for this offseason would have been to sign andrews, re-sign tra, trade the peters 1st rounder + 3rd or 4th rounder for Boldin, draft macklin at 19.
they'd only be replacing 1 piece in the o-line now instead of 2 and next year they could look at addressing left tackle.
that's exactly how i would have done it. and it would have worked perfectly and the eagles would win the next 10 super bowls because of it. but that damn jeff lurie won't return my calls.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2009, 07:04:30 AM
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
Not true. A 1st round pick (with other considerations) would have gotten Edwards out of Cleveland. The Giants didn't get him because they refused to give more than a 2nd and 5th. A 1st would have gotten Chad out of Cincinnati as well, although he's not worth that price. Even though the Cards would have had to been blown away with an offer for Boldin... a 1st round pick would have gone a long way in doing so.
If the Eagles were serious about going after any of those guys, that 1st round pick they used on Maclin would have definitely landed Braylon or Chad or possibly Boldin.
The Gonzalez thing is just inexcusable.
I'd have considered giving up the 1.21 for Edwards or Boldin but I'm not sure either would be such a terrific deal. Edwards really only had one truly 'great' year and he drops a lot of passes. I'm not entirely sure the Cardinals wanted to trade Boldin at all and he's unhappy with his contract.
If either of these moves were no-brainers, why did the Giants end up with Hakeen Nicks? I'd argue that Eli Manning needs to be surrounded by elite talent more than Donovan McNabb.
I wouldn't even consider giving up a first for Chad Johnson. I'd have gladly given the Bengals our 2nd rounder for him.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2009, 07:04:30 AM
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
Not true. A 1st round pick (with other considerations) would have gotten Edwards out of Cleveland. The Giants didn't get him because they refused to give more than a 2nd and 5th. A 1st would have gotten Chad out of Cincinnati as well, although he's not worth that price. Even though the Cards would have had to been blown away with an offer for Boldin... a 1st round pick would have gone a long way in doing so.
If the Eagles were serious about going after any of those guys, that 1st round pick they used on Maclin would have definitely landed Braylon or Chad or possibly Boldin.
The Gonzalez thing is just inexcusable.
I'd have considered giving up the 1.21 for Edwards or Boldin but I'm not sure either would be such a terrific deal. Edwards really only had one truly 'great' year and he drops a lot of passes. I'm not entirely sure the Cardinals wanted to trade Boldin at all and he's unhappy with his contract.
If either of these moves were no-brainers, why did the Giants end up with Hakeen Nicks? I'd argue that Eli Manning needs to be surrounded by elite talent more than Donovan McNabb.
I wouldn't even consider giving up a first for Chad Johnson. I'd have gladly given the Bengals our 2nd rounder for him.
Its because teams, front offices, and even the fans have bought into this whole of the myth being the only way to build a team. Its true for teams building from the ground up but teams like the Giants and Eagles who are potentially 1 or 2 players away from being serious SB contenders it makes no sense to draft a rookie for the position in need and hope he contributes right away or develops 3 yrs down the road.
Now the Giants can afford to do this because they just won the Superbowl and Eli is relatively young. McNabb will not be here for another 3-4 seasons. Westbrook will not be here. So if Maclin and McCoy take any time to develop/blossom, they will only be weapons for Kolb. Its really sickening that they rather develop guys when the franchise QB, and the best chance to win now, is aging and will not be here much longer. I would have loved this draft if it was 5 seasons ago. Now its the 2nd best option considering how stubborn they are with draft picks and only acquiring players if they can screw over the other team.
Cardinals lowered the price to a 2nd round pick so I am pretty sure the #21 pick would have floored them into trading Boldin. So what he wants 10 million a year? He is worth every penny of it, is only 29 (I dont care about 10 yrs from now and how good Maclin MIGHT BE), and fits perfectly with the team because they already have the speedy stretch the field guys.
At the end of the day Reid and company decided to take a chance on a rookie WR, who they have been 9 out 10 times terrible at evaluating, who 50/50 may be a bust...to be the answer for a pass happy team that struggles and stalls in the redzone.
My offseason plan would have been to sign Stacy, resign Tra, pick up either Winslow or Gonzo, and if you can not get one of them to def do everything possible to pick up Ocho, Boldin, or Edwards. The team is so young across the board, besides McNabb and Westbrook, and so far under the cap it does not hurt to pick up veterans and pay them top dollars. They would not be mortgaging the future.
From everything i've read and seen, the cards were dicking everyone around over a trade.
Jeff Fisher basically said this and it is pretty rare for a HC to comment like that, especially a guy like him
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
I don't for a second believe the Cardinals were really going to deal Boldin for a 2nd rounder. I have no doubt they could have landed him with the 1.21, so I'm guessing the Eagles thought Maclin is a better investment since he's younger, can contribute immediately on special teams, and isn't a grousing malcontent who wants $10M/year. No other team in football thought Boldin was worth whatever the Cards wanted for him.
I'm not really sure I'd deal the 1.21 for Edwards and Ocho Cinco has never officially been on the market.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
It's more like just a built in excuse to placate Boldin that in the end was too transparent.
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Titans coach Jeff Fisher says he was told the Cardinals aren't interested in moving Anquan Boldin.
"We left several messages with them (Friday) night but they never returned our calls," said Fisher. "We didn't get in touch with them until before the draft (Saturday), and they said that they weren't interested in moving him." At this point, the most likely scenario is Boldin staying in Arizona.
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Coach Ken Whisenhunt said the team's goal was never to trade Anquan Boldin but to "make sure a blockbuster wasn't available."
"We were not ever taking a proactive move with respect to a trade," GM Rod Graves said, "but we were certainly willing to listen, and in just about all cases we didn't get a response back." The Cardinals have changed direction and now seemed focused on keeping Boldin.
- Rotoworld
BTW some teams spend an awful lot of time playing games and putting up smoke screens leading up to the draft, it's all part of the game
Every time I see 1.21, I think of Dr. Emmitt Brown.
They may have been jerking teams around but why put out a "we have lowered our asking price to a 2nd" statement?
And even then if you have a WR on your team who wants to be paid as much, if not more, as your other superstar WR, is unhappy, and wishes to be traded...why in the would would you not trade him for a 1st round draft pick and say pick up a Macklin yourself? I mean the Cards do no have a immediate need at WR so they can afford to take a rookie and have him learn from Fitz.
Eagles have their young guy in Desean. Adding Boldin, IMO, would have made this a top 3 offense in the league and at the very least solved the redzone problems.
In an offseason where Winslow, Gonzo, Boldin, and Edwards were all available and the Eagles had 2 first round draft picks, 10 + picks in total, and nearly 40 million under the cap they came away with a rookie WR and two tackles who potentially could be better but are not givens considering injuries and how they played the past season. Potentially, if all things work out and rookies pan out immediately, this could be the best draft under Reid since his first, but its not exactly comforting for a team that was one game away from the Superbowl.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
They may have been jerking teams around but why put out a "we have lowered our asking price to a 2nd" statement?
They didn't.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
They may have been jerking teams around but why put out a "we have lowered our asking price to a 2nd" statement?
The Cardinals never said Boldin was on the block for a 2nd rounder. That report came from Sal Pal through two anonymous sources and the Cards GM denied it.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
I don't for a second believe the Cardinals were really going to deal Boldin for a 2nd rounder. I have no doubt they could have landed him with the 1.21, so I'm guessing the Eagles thought Maclin is a better investment since he's younger, can contribute immediately on special teams, and isn't a grousing malcontent who wants $10M/year. No other team in football thought Boldin was worth whatever the Cards wanted for him.
I'm not really sure I'd deal the 1.21 for Edwards and Ocho Cinco has never officially been on the market.
True but not every team has the same needs. The Eagles are a special case in that if they just ran the ball enough, I think they have enough talent at WR to win it all. Since they (Reid) prefers to pass all the time its pretty crucial to have that WR who can demand double teams, make the tough catches, go across in the middle, still has enough in him to turn a 5 yd catch into a 70 yd TD, and most importanly improve the terrible redzone offense.
Its not about what Boldin is worth to other teams, its about how important is he to the Eagles. Had they picked up a TE, I would never advocate dealing the #21 for Boldin. The way the team is set up right now would have been ideal 5-6 seasons ago. Now its too late to get young all over again and hope it pans out.
Besides we are arguing proven player vs rookie with potential.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
I don't for a second believe the Cardinals were really going to deal Boldin for a 2nd rounder. I have no doubt they could have landed him with the 1.21, so I'm guessing the Eagles thought Maclin is a better investment since he's younger, can contribute immediately on special teams, and isn't a grousing malcontent who wants $10M/year. No other team in football thought Boldin was worth whatever the Cards wanted for him.
I'm not really sure I'd deal the 1.21 for Edwards and Ocho Cinco has never officially been on the market.
True but not every team has the same needs. The Eagles are a special case in that if they just ran the ball enough, I think they have enough talent at WR to win it all. Since they (Reid) prefers to pass all the time its pretty crucial to have that WR who can demand double teams, make the tough catches, go across in the middle, still has enough in him to turn a 5 yd catch into a 70 yd TD, and most importanly improve the terrible redzone offense.
Its not about what Boldin is worth to other teams, its about how important is he to the Eagles. Had they picked up a TE, I would never advocate dealing the #21 for Boldin. The way the team is set up right now would have been ideal 5-6 seasons ago. Now its too late to get young all over again and hope it pans out.
Besides we are arguing proven player vs rookie with potential.
What's the point? They thought Maclin was a better value and Boldin is not an Eagle - end of story.
The FO is more often right than wrong. If it were up to the fans, we'd have five Pro Bowl wideouts with no offensive line, Kevin Kolb throwing the ball, and Hugh - Trot - Vincent - Taylor still on defense. They flat out know more than you. How many times do they need to prove it?
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 29, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
It's more like just a built in excuse to placate Boldin that in the end was too transparent.
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Titans coach Jeff Fisher says he was told the Cardinals aren't interested in moving Anquan Boldin.
"We left several messages with them (Friday) night but they never returned our calls," said Fisher. "We didn't get in touch with them until before the draft (Saturday), and they said that they weren't interested in moving him." At this point, the most likely scenario is Boldin staying in Arizona.
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Coach Ken Whisenhunt said the team's goal was never to trade Anquan Boldin but to "make sure a blockbuster wasn't available."
"We were not ever taking a proactive move with respect to a trade," GM Rod Graves said, "but we were certainly willing to listen, and in just about all cases we didn't get a response back." The Cardinals have changed direction and now seemed focused on keeping Boldin.
- Rotoworld
BTW some teams spend an awful lot of time playing games and putting up smoke screens leading up to the draft, it's all part of the game
fishers flat out wrong...this isnt a case of john clayton reporting that boldin was available...the cardinals said openly in the media that they were taking offers
clearly their price and the price of boldins contract demands were too high for anyone to offer up enough
and how is it a smokescreen by offering to trade boldin....its not like they were telling people they were trading up to four to take sanchez or some draft bullshtein
i dont even care that they didnt get boldin...they have had a very good offseason....my only point is and how this boldin stuff even started is because people were trying to say they have gone pedal to the metal all out for a superbowl next year and you cant say that
Eskin said they wouldnt go higher than a third rounder, mainly because if he's asking for 9+million for a year, they arent in a position to get a high return. Whatever, its not gonna happen, Maclin tore it up for me on NCAA 09, and xbox is greater than life
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 01:50:46 PM
i dont even care that they didnt get boldin...they have had a very good offseason
Whoa... what? Puppy dogs, fire trucks, and ice cream?
ive only said that 30 times in the last month....but you dont read
they have done a wonderful job replacing positions of incredible importance that are not easy to fill
what i also say is that there is no guarantee that those players they brought in are going to be better than the guys who where there last year (with the exception of fullback) and because of that you cannot say they have gone all out to win a superbowl...unlike say in 2004
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
ive only said that 30 times in the last month....but you dont read
they have done a wonderful job replacing positions of incredible importance that are not easy to fill
what i also say is that there is no guarantee that those players they brought in are going to be better than the guys who where there last year (with the exception of fullback) and because of that you cannot say they have gone all out to win a superbowl...unlike say in 2004
i keep agreeing with igy on this issue.
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Stealing Ed's thunder... The Eagles have assigned numbers (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/Roster.html) to the new players.
Maclin is wearing #18 and not #19, so I will not be acquiring his jersey. Macho Harris will be wearing #35 and not #31, so Die-Hard's jersey is still an Al Harris joint. Ellis Hobbs gets #37 (in a row?). Ingram gets a great TE # in 88. Shady will rock #29.
Shady will be in 25 as soon as Booker's cut.
I hate WRs wearing numbers in the teens.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Maclin is wearing #18
my dante stallworth jersey finds this news refreshing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2009, 02:13:41 PM
I hate WRs wearing numbers in the teens.
i literally just typed that
no you didn't. you quoted it.
i don't mind wr with teen numbers nearly as much as i can't stand place kickers and punters in college who wear 99. everyone who supported that from the athletic director on down to the individual player should be sent on a hunting trip with dick cheney.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2009, 02:13:41 PM
I hate WRs wearing numbers in the teens.
i literally just typed that
I liked the old way. They caved to Keyshawn but still kept it strict for a few more years afterwards. College is even worse. I don't wanna see DL wearing #6 or something like that.
Maclin should be in the 80s. Pimp too.
also noticed with the new numbers that Peters got his usual #71 with Stacy Andrews switching to #76, and Klecko is back into the 60s (#68)
The Klecko at FB experiment is done. Which is good, because he's more valuable as a 4th/5th DT.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2009, 02:34:29 PM
The Klecko at FB experiment is done. Which is good, because he's more valuable as a 2010 4th/5th round draft pick trade.
fixed.
If they could get a 5th for Klecko, he'd be long gone by now.
lol @ the thought of moving Klecko for a 4th.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
I don't for a second believe the Cardinals were really going to deal Boldin for a 2nd rounder. I have no doubt they could have landed him with the 1.21, so I'm guessing the Eagles thought Maclin is a better investment since he's younger, can contribute immediately on special teams, and isn't a grousing malcontent who wants $10M/year. No other team in football thought Boldin was worth whatever the Cards wanted for him.
I'm not really sure I'd deal the 1.21 for Edwards and Ocho Cinco has never officially been on the market.
True but not every team has the same needs. The Eagles are a special case in that if they just ran the ball enough, I think they have enough talent at WR to win it all. Since they (Reid) prefers to pass all the time its pretty crucial to have that WR who can demand double teams, make the tough catches, go across in the middle, still has enough in him to turn a 5 yd catch into a 70 yd TD, and most importanly improve the terrible redzone offense.
Its not about what Boldin is worth to other teams, its about how important is he to the Eagles. Had they picked up a TE, I would never advocate dealing the #21 for Boldin. The way the team is set up right now would have been ideal 5-6 seasons ago. Now its too late to get young all over again and hope it pans out.
Besides we are arguing proven player vs rookie with potential.
What's the point? They thought Maclin was a better value and Boldin is not an Eagle - end of story.
The FO is more often right than wrong. If it were up to the fans, we'd have five Pro Bowl wideouts with no offensive line, Kevin Kolb throwing the ball, and Hugh - Trot - Vincent - Taylor still on defense. They flat out know more than you. How many times do they need to prove it?
Whats the point? Are you kidding me? There is a big difference between trading for a pro bowl level stud WR like Boldin vs a rookie WR who has just as good a chance of making it as being a bust.
How your willing to give them the benefit of doubt is beyond me considering they have failed on every single WR they have ever selected besides Desean. Yeah really reassuring there. If it was up to the fans they wouldnt pass 70% of the time SO YOU WOULD NOT NEED PRO BOWL WRs.
They need to keep PROVING it till they actually win a superbowl or finally fix the offense so the WR position is a position of strength and not the achilles heel always holding them back.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 08:18:49 AM
cole from yesterday...
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
The offensive line should be significantly better. Peters>>>>>Tra and Andrews is back.
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.
cole recently.....
Quote from: King Cole on April 17, 2009, 06:02:33 PM
But for anyone to say this move prevents you from getting Boldin, Edwards or anyone you wanted in the draft, then that is just ridiculous if you think Peters can play.
Quote from: King Cole on April 16, 2009, 02:57:49 PM
The Eagles haven't gave up nearly this much in a trade for a WR in the past. Then again, when was the last time a WR as good as Boldin was available for trade?
Plus the Eagles apparently are enamored with Boldin. With both firsts this year, I think the Eagles would do a deal like that this year if only this year. Especially if the 21st pick comes and Moreno, Pettigrew are already gone.
Quote from: King Cole on April 15, 2009, 11:38:48 PM
Boldin.... Philadelphia.
It's happening.
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2009, 11:17:38 PM
If Arizona ever decides they want to deal Boldin then he will be an Eagle by the end of that very week. The issue is Arizona doesn't want to deal him right now.
If they put him on the block, he's as good as an Eagle. Guaranteed.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
If they aren't giving up a first rounder, then they aren't getting him. That is the asking price.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I'd be much more worried about not only trading away a first rounder, and signing the player to a huge contract, PLUS having him on the most important part of your line than the Andrews signing. Andrews got a very small signing bonus. He could be let go if worst comes to worst at very little cost.
Peters is wanting to be paid as a top 5 LT I believe, plus you give up a first rounder. I say hell no to that and I take my chances in the draft or with Herremans.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Peters had an awful year. He gave up like 10 sacks or so. Sure he was good the years before that, but is it a lock he automatically reverts back to that level? Are you sure enough to give away a great draft pick?
Well, I've been consistent saying if Boldin was available he'd be an Eagle. He wasn't available. As pointed out here, it was a front and they never were going to trade him. Hell, reports came out yesterday that Arizona ignored people's calls about Boldin and never got back to teams.
As for Peters, yeah I admit I didn't want him at first. But after I broke down his season thoroughly and drew the conclusion that only about 5 or 6 sacks were his fault, and found out that he came into the season out of shape I was cool with it. I actually was cool with it in the days leading up to the move once I found out the Bengals were hot for Andre Smith and I knew the Eagles would have to trade both first rounders to land a LT. I'd be much more willing to just deal one for Peters.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
The FO is more often right than wrong. If it were up to the fans, we'd have five Pro Bowl wideouts with no offensive line, Kevin Kolb throwing the ball, and Hugh - Trot - Vincent - Taylor still on defense. They flat out know more than you. How many times do they need to prove it?
until this front office wins a super bowl by doing things their way rather than my way, i will continue about my business with the assumption that i do in fact, know more than they do.
carry on.
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Stealing Ed's thunder... The Eagles have assigned numbers (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/Roster.html) to the new players.
Maclin is wearing #18 and not #19, so I will not be acquiring his jersey. Macho Harris will be wearing #35 and not #31, so Die-Hard's jersey is still an Al Harris joint. Ellis Hobbs gets #37 (in a row?). Ingram gets a great TE # in 88. Shady will rock #29.
Mack REALLY should be rocking #19. Just seems to fit him more. Gibson needs to bow down and give that shtein up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
I shtein napalm today. Does that count?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
I shtein napalm today. Does that count?
That depends. How big is your dick?
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8 (King Dunlap), runs a 3.75 forty yard dash (Racin' Reggie Torian), has a schlong down to his knees (Joselio Hanson) and farts lightning (Hollis Thomas).
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
I shtein napalm today. Does that count?
That depends. How big is your dick?
I tuck it into my belt when I get inappropriate wood.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
I tuck it into my belt when I get inappropriate wood.
Oxymoron
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 29, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him
teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do
now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him
not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved
It's more like just a built in excuse to placate Boldin that in the end was too transparent.
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Titans coach Jeff Fisher says he was told the Cardinals aren't interested in moving Anquan Boldin.
"We left several messages with them (Friday) night but they never returned our calls," said Fisher. "We didn't get in touch with them until before the draft (Saturday), and they said that they weren't interested in moving him." At this point, the most likely scenario is Boldin staying in Arizona.
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Coach Ken Whisenhunt said the team's goal was never to trade Anquan Boldin but to "make sure a blockbuster wasn't available."
"We were not ever taking a proactive move with respect to a trade," GM Rod Graves said, "but we were certainly willing to listen, and in just about all cases we didn't get a response back." The Cardinals have changed direction and now seemed focused on keeping Boldin.
- Rotoworld
BTW some teams spend an awful lot of time playing games and putting up smoke screens leading up to the draft, it's all part of the game
fishers flat out wrong...this isnt a case of john clayton reporting that boldin was available...the cardinals said openly in the media that they were taking offers
clearly their price and the price of boldins contract demands were too high for anyone to offer up enough
and how is it a smokescreen by offering to trade boldin....its not like they were telling people they were trading up to four to take sanchez or some draft bullshtein
i dont even care that they didnt get boldin...they have had a very good offseason....my only point is and how this boldin stuff even started is because people were trying to say they have gone pedal to the metal all out for a superbowl next year and you cant say that
So you believe the Cardinals over Jeff Fisher?? And Whisenhunt himself said they were only listening just in case there was a blockbuster offer, otherwise they never intended to trade him.
i always believe the person that has no reason to lie
I go with "believe the guy in the organization that hasn't been a colossal clusterfarg for 60 years.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 29, 2009, 05:35:40 PM
I go with "believe the guy in the organization that hasn't been a colossal clusterfarg for 60 years.
50 years and counting next year for us.
Last I checked the TitOilers and the Cardinals had the same number of Super Bowl appearances
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
How comical. When no such WR is available thats all the fans get to hear from the team..."Oh there was no one out there"....and now that there were at least 2 available its "Trust the FO to select a rookie who might turn out to be better down the road".
Boldin has been a dominant #1 WR his whole career.
Not that old...did he get an exemption or was that before they had the 1-19 was only for K, P and QB?
The policy didn't go into effect until '73, when Carmichael was already a player. All players were grandfathered in. There was an older (and less enforced) system in place since the 50's in which flankers had numbers in the teens.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
Boldin doesn't need to be "one of a handful of dominant receivers" to help the Eagles win a super bowl now. He's a pro bowl wide receiver, who would be a perfect compliment to desean. He's also one of the toughest receivers in the league, always going across the middle, and playing four weeks after he had his face ripped off.
You have been here less than a week and are already the biggest homer on the board and biggest front office apologist. Congratulations tool.
I get tired of hearing the term "#1 WR" too. Its right up there with "big back".
i think that boldin would be a lot more dominant if he weren't lining up opposite larry fitz every week too. don't forget, this dude caught over 100 balls his rookie year, shattering the previous rookie record and did that while playing on a crap team. put boldin on most other teams in the league and he is clearly their most talented all-around reciever and the "#1" option.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 30, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
i think that boldin would be a lot more dominant if he weren't lining up opposite larry fitz every week too. don't forget, this dude caught over 100 balls his rookie year, shattering the previous rookie record and did that while playing on a crap team. put boldin on most other teams in the league and he is clearly their most talented all-around receiver and the "#1" option.
This.
IRT the #1 WR/receivers with low numbers, imagine a pic of Michael Jackson (Browns WR) in his rookie season #1 jersey here.
(couldn't find one, but it would have been funny)
to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him
that said hed still be great and if the eagles had him they would probably be favorites to win the superbowl
Bolding would be a perfect fit on the Eagles O. Then you would have speed on the outside with Jackson, along with Curtis/Avant. I think he'd thrive on this offense. And it isn't written in stone the Eagles would have had too have spent this years no. 1. I would have. They could have offered next years and still drafted MacLin. There is a hundred ways it could have been done, and a thousand opinions as to if he was even available.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him
No. As Sarge said, Boldin was setting records before they got Fitzgerald. Boldin probably sees his own share of double coverage too, taking a lot of heat of Fitz
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
How comical. When no such WR is available thats all the fans get to hear from the team..."Oh there was no one out there"....and now that there were at least 2 available its "Trust the FO to select a rookie who might turn out to be better down the road".
Boldin has been a dominant #1 WR his whole career.
I didn't say there was "no one" out there or that Boldin couldn't help the Eagles. But he's not such a massive upgrade over what we already have that sneding the 1.21 to Zona and paying him $10M+ per year is some kind of no brainer. You'll notice that NO other team in football was willing to make that deal. We don't even know what the Cardinals wanted for Boldin. I'm sure the Giants, Ravens, Vikes, etc. asked about him too but he's still a Cardinal.
I guess it bugs me to see the Eagles bring in the best available FB, replace both offensive tackles with young, talented players, add a veteran CB, a lot of depth at S, draft the #2 wideout on the board and get a very strong backup RB, and STILL the Eagles fans are bitching and moaning about how the team didn't get Boldin. There've been a lot of offseasons worth complaining about but this isn't one of them. On paper at least this team could win a Super Bowl.
Quote from: bowzer on April 29, 2009, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
Boldin doesn't need to be "one of a handful of dominant receivers" to help the Eagles win a super bowl now. He's a pro bowl wide receiver, who would be a perfect compliment to desean. He's also one of the toughest receivers in the league, always going across the middle, and playing four weeks after he had his face ripped off.
You have been here less than a week and are already the biggest homer on the board and biggest front office apologist. Congratulations tool.
Again, we have NO IDEA whether Boldin was available at all or what the Cardinals would have expected in a trade. Many teams inquired about Boldin and he is still a Cardinal. But don't let that stop you from blaming the FO for being cheap or uncommitted to win or whatever, just like the loudmouthed drunken slobs on WIP.
the money is irrelevant there effectively is no cap and the eagles are swimming in cap space
now wanting to give up 21 is a valid concern but it puts you firmly in line with the organizations anti win at all costs attitude and being fine with just being good enough to not win the superbowl
boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mack
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2009, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 29, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone
banner is a better business man than i am
and andy reid is a better coach than i am
but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed
not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel
i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does
I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.
There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.
How comical. When no such WR is available thats all the fans get to hear from the team..."Oh there was no one out there"....and now that there were at least 2 available its "Trust the FO to select a rookie who might turn out to be better down the road".
Boldin has been a dominant #1 WR his whole career.
I didn't say there was "no one" out there or that Boldin couldn't help the Eagles. But he's not such a massive upgrade over what we already have that sneding the 1.21 to Zona and paying him $10M+ per year is some kind of no brainer. You'll notice that NO other team in football was willing to make that deal. We don't even know what the Cardinals wanted for Boldin. I'm sure the Giants, Ravens, Vikes, etc. asked about him too but he's still a Cardinal.
I guess it bugs me to see the Eagles bring in the best available FB, replace both offensive tackles with young, talented players, add a veteran CB, a lot of depth at S, draft the #2 wideout on the board and get a very strong backup RB, and STILL the Eagles fans are bitching and moaning about how the team didn't get Boldin. There've been a lot of offseasons worth complaining about but this isn't one of them. On paper at least this team could win a Super Bowl.
And you seem to be missing the point over and over again. Yeah its better than the offseason where they picked up Mike McMahon and called it a day. But so what?
Replacing the Tackles only means they got younger, not automatically better. The guys they picked up are potential pro bowlers but not givens considering they both had bad seasons this past season and the guys they are replacing anchored a OLINE that allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in Eagles history. At best thats a wash so if anything they removed two tackles and replaced them with 2 possible capable tackles. Same with safety. The only move they made in the offseason, in terms of FAs, that actually makes the team better than what it was when they lost to the Cards, is picking up Weaver. All other moves have been to replace pro bowl level players with potential pro bowl level players who are automatically considered better because of age.
As for the WR position...I said it before...if they did not pass so much and ignore the running game the WRs would be fine. But we all know no matter what Reid will continue to pass 65-70% of the time. Knowing that, knowing the money they have/had, knowing the picks they had, knowing how bad the redzone offense has been for 2 yrs, its kinda outrageous they did not come away with Gonzo, Winslow, Boldin, or Edwards.
Then to turn around and draft basically for the Kolb era and try to pass it off as "appeasing McNabb" is even worse.
The others you listed: Raven run the ball heavy plus they have a 2nd yr man at QB so they can afford to draft skill positions instead of going for pricey veterans. Same with the Giants. Vikes run the ball almost exclusively and have no QB.
It made sense for the Eagles, which is something your missing out on.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 10:32:42 AM
the money is irrelevant there effectively is no cap and the eagles are swimming in cap space
now wanting to give up 21 is a valid concern but it puts you firmly in line with the organizations anti win at all costs attitude and being fine with just being good enough to not win the superbowl
boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mack
The organization isn't anti- win at all costs. They have spent huge money in the past two years on Asante Samuel and now Jason Peters. They just seriously undervalue the wideout position compared to the fans.
I don't totally agree with them on that point but I don't assume the Eagles aren't committed to winning just because they couldn't swing a deal with the Cardinals for Boldin. No other team in the league got that deal done either, and there are several other playoff-caliber teams that need wideout talent more than we do.
Personally, I think the run-to-pass ratio is a MUCH bigger problem with this team than the talent at receiver, and if Andy Reid would (finally) learn to call a more balanced attack we could get by with guys like Desean, Curtis and now Maclin.
I'm curious to see who can type the most words in this conversation.
they spent huge money on samuel because another all pro corner was on his way out...they spent huge money on peters because the best left tackle in the franchises history was older than dirt
replacing positions where the cubbard is or is about to be bare is a job well done but its not winning at all costs
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 10:55:22 AM
they spent huge money on samuel because another all pro corner was on his way out...they spent huge money on peters because the best left tackle in the franchises history was older than dirt
replacing positions where the cubbard is or is about to be bare is a job well done but its not winning at all costs
Bitch and moan all you want, no team had a better offseason this year than the Eagles.
except the team that wins the 2010 superbowl
what are you a taterskin fan?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
except the team that wins the 2010 superbowl
what are you a taterskin fan?
I honestly think this team could win a Super Bowl in 2010, assuming a few things go right for them.
You might like rooting for the taterskins - Dan Snyder signs the biggest ticket FA on the market almost every year.
hes also offseason champ every year which seems to mean a lot to you
of course the eagles could win the superbowl next year...so could 15 other teams..im not even sure what that means
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him
that said hed still be great and if the eagles had him they would probably be favorites to win the superbowl
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 30, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him
No. As Sarge said, Boldin was setting records before they got Fitzgerald. Boldin probably sees his own share of double coverage too, taking a lot of heat of Fitz
6 one way, half dozen the other.
would boldin attract double teams in philly? yes. would it affect his individual numbers? perhaps. but if his individual stats decrease, then that means that you should see an increase in from curtis, jackson, etc.
i think boldin is good enough to beat double coverage at least half of the time. so the other half when he can't, you've got curtis and jackson either one on one or finding a soft spot in the zone.
also, don't forget that every defense that goes up against the eagles is already keyed in on brian westbrook. a guy who lines up 7 yards behind the los is the reason that the eagles passing game is as "good" as it is to begin with. so imagine if a defense had to not only account for him, but also worry about a guy who has a 7 yard head start and is running much deeper routes.
all in all, boldin makes the team significantly better, immediately. as much as i love maclin and i'm glad that the eagles were able to grab him, i can't say for certain that he would have the same impact.
mack will never ever be as good as boldin much less next year
the only way youd rather have mack than boldin is if youre fixated on the 2012 or 2013 season when boldins play has declined significantly and mack (if he is even playing) might be better
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 30, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Replacing the Tackles only means they got younger, not automatically better. The guys they picked up are potential pro bowlers but not givens considering they both had bad seasons this past season and the guys they are replacing anchored a OLINE that allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in Eagles history. At best thats a wash so if anything they removed two tackles and replaced them with 2 possible capable tackles. Same with safety. The only move they made in the offseason, in terms of FAs, that actually makes the team better than what it was when they lost to the Cards, is picking up Weaver. All other moves have been to replace pro bowl level players with potential pro bowl level players who are automatically considered better because of age.
this. especially the last part i put in bold. the eagles have a proven history of using the offseason as a means to sustain, rather than improve. the only exception was 2004 when they actually made moves in an attempt to legitimately improve 2 key weaknesses for the team. wr with to and de with kearse.
result? super bowl.
every other offseason, the front office only replaces 2 types of players. old and frustrated. and they only replace them with players of equal talent or potential. addressing the fullback position this year is the first time since 2004 that this team has gone out and brought in a proven veteran player in an attempt at actually upgrading a position on the team. every other move they make is to sustain......which takes me back to the original statement i've been making in this and other threads.
the eagles are not interested in winning super bowls. they are interested in spending the minimum amount of money necessary to make the playoffs every year and then hope for the best.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:19:57 AM
hes also offseason champ every year which seems to mean a lot to you
of course the eagles could win the superbowl next year...so could 15 other teams..im not even sure what that means
You're the one who seems infatuated with signing every big name possible, Pugsly.
It means the Eagles could win a Super Bowl in 2010. You said the team that wins in '10 had a better offseason than the Eagles.
There's no point in arguing with you. The Eagles didn't value Boldin as much as you did. Want a tissue? It's time to pull up your big boy pants and get over it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
mack will never ever be as good as boldin much less next year
can't say that mac will never be as good as boldin. there's no way of knowing. who knew that little steve smith would be as dominant as he is. jerry rice was a 3rd round pick i believe and he's the greatest receiver ever.
i'm not saying that mac
will be better than boldin. but there's no way to know right now. there's not even a reason to try and predict that right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
the only way youd rather have mack than boldin is if youre fixated on the 2012 or 2013 season when boldins play has declined significantly and mack (if he is even playing) might be better
you. nail. head.
if you're andy reid, maclin and jackson are kolb's recievers, not mcnabb's. mcnabb's job now as far as the eagles are concerned, is to break the young guys in.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
mack will never ever be as good as boldin
This is probably true and an idiotic bunch of garbage all at once. Nice.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
except the team that wins the 2010 superbowl
what are you a taterskin fan?
I honestly think this team could win a Super Bowl in 2010, assuming a few things go right for them.
This is the philosophy that keeps the Eagles kinda good every year, but never quite good enough. Relying on luck instead of skill and better gameplanning does not win champsionships. Reid has proven this remarkably well over the last decade.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:19:57 AM
hes also offseason champ every year which seems to mean a lot to you
of course the eagles could win the superbowl next year...so could 15 other teams..im not even sure what that means
You're the one who seems infatuated with signing every big name possible, Pugsly.
quote me anywhere on any thread where i showed an infatuation with signing "every big name possible"
you dont know me dook...and if you take your headpiece out of banners ass for a second youd see that while i would love to have boldin i never once railed on the team for not getting him...im using boldin as an example of not going all out to win
id actually be suprised if you even really watch games...your argument for everything is trust banner inc. they know what they are doing and you heathens dont...i cant really recall to many things youve said that have to do with actual football...you may have stared longer into joe's swirly lolipop than anyone on earth not named spadaro
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
mack will never ever be as good as boldin
This is probably true and an idiotic bunch of garbage all at once. Nice.
cant be true (btw it is 100% true) and garbage
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:13:49 PM
cant be true (btw it is 100% true) and garbage
Yes it can. Boldin is one of the best WR's in the game right now, so it sets the bar pretty damn high for any rookie to be that good. But on the flip side, presuming to know for certain that Maclin will never be as good as Boldin is not possibly based on fact.
Classic IGY. Say something that is probably going to end up being right for obvious reasons (in this case, Boldin is just flat-out good). But, hey, if you do end up being wrong, you'll just say you were thrilled to be wrong! Yay!
Don't pretend you know more than you do. You wanted the Eagles to trade for Boldin. Pretty sure anyone with half a brain would have preferred that. But you don't know any more than anyone else about how Maclin will turn out as a pro, so step off. Bitch.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
except the team that wins the 2010 superbowl
what are you a taterskin fan?
I honestly think this team could win a Super Bowl in 2010, assuming a few things go right for them.
This is the philosophy that keeps the Eagles kinda good every year, but never quite good enough. Relying on luck instead of skill and better gameplanning does not win champsionships. Reid has proven this remarkably well over the last decade.
Andy Reid's game-day coaching is absolutely awful and I think he should be fired. I also think the lack of talent at wideout has seriously hurt us over the past few years, although right now I think our WR corps is pretty much middle of the road and we could win a Super Bowl with the wideouts we have, if we ran a more balanced offense.
That said, I can't be up in arms about failing to trade for Boldin since none of the other teams that were interested landed him either and we have no idea how serious Zona was about moving him. I also think the FO did a really terrific job this year and probably had the best offseason since '04, so it's kind of hard for me to get all worked up that we didn't sell the farm for a receiver.
My two cents.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
so step off. Bitch.
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Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:13:49 PM
cant be true (btw it is 100% true) and garbage
Yes it can. Boldin is one of the best WR's in the game right now, so it sets the bar pretty damn high for any rookie to be that good. But on the flip side, presuming to know for certain that Maclin will never be as good as Boldin is not possibly based on fact.
Classic IGY. Say something that is probably going to end up being right for obvious reasons (in this case, Boldin is just flat-out good). But, hey, if you do end up being wrong, you'll just say you were thrilled to be wrong! Yay!
Don't pretend you know more than you do. You wanted the Eagles to trade for Boldin. Pretty sure anyone with half a brain would have preferred that. But you don't know any more than anyone else about how Maclin will turn out as a pro, so step off. Bitch.
youd have to be an idiot to actually come back and big up yourself by saying mack will never be better than boldin...almost as big an idiot for thinking mack could be better than boldin...its a lock a given write it down take a picture....and you dont come back on those calls and talk shtein unless youre a douchebag
just be happy if mack is on the team in five years contributing...dont over reach your bounds
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 30, 2009, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
so step off. Bitch.
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ahaha
ff is so cute when he gets mad isnt he
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 12:23:40 PM
Andy Reid's game-day coaching is absolutely awful and I think he should be fired. I also think the lack of talent at wideout has seriously hurt us over the past few years, although right now I think our WR corps is pretty much middle of the road and we could win a Super Bowl with the wideouts we have, if we ran a more balanced offense.
You know as well as I do that will never happen.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
ahaha
ff is so cute when he gets mad isnt he
i dunno about all that. but he's damn sexy when he's got my burrito in his mouth.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:19:57 AM
hes also offseason champ every year which seems to mean a lot to you
of course the eagles could win the superbowl next year...so could 15 other teams..im not even sure what that means
You're the one who seems infatuated with signing every big name possible, Pugsly.
quote me anywhere on any thread where i showed an infatuation with signing "every big name possible"
you dont know me dook...and if you take your headpiece out of banners ass for a second youd see that while i would love to have boldin i never once railed on the team for not getting him...im using boldin as an example of not going all out to win
id actually be suprised if you even really watch games...your argument for everything is trust banner inc. they know what they are doing and you heathens dont...i cant really recall to many things youve said that have to do with actual football...you may have stared longer into joe's swirly lolipop than anyone on earth not named spadaro
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
mack will never ever be as good as boldin
This is probably true and an idiotic bunch of garbage all at once. Nice.
cant be true (btw it is 100% true) and garbage
You're backing up this argument about the Eagles not doing everything to win a championship with NADA. I keep telling you that a team that's not committed to winning doesn't sign Asante Samuel and make Jason Peters the highest paid LT in football. Your counterpoint is that they failed to land a receiver who apparently wasn't available for anything less than a king's ransom.
I don't agree with the Eagles all the time, but I don't jump to the conclusion that they don't really want to win because they signed a LT to a gazillion bucks but failed to pry Boldin off the Cardinals. Attributing ulterior motives to the FO is pointless because it's the kind of thing fans can complain about because it's totally unprovable.
Criticize their approach - fine. They haven't won a Super Bowl so that's fair. Claiming they're just in it to get to the playoffs - as if there's some kind of magic formula where you spend X number of dollars to get just that far and no further - is IMO kind of dumb.
50 different people have explained it to you in 100 different ways...you dont want to get it....you dont get....and you never will get it
good day sir
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 30, 2009, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
ahaha
ff is so cute when he gets mad isnt he
i dunno about all that. but he's damn sexy when he's got my burrito in his mouth.
I wasn't and am not currently even remotely mad. I don't remember the last time I've called anyone a "bitch" seriously.
Don't get me wrong, IGY's still the blowhard to end all blowhards. It's endearing, though, and only makes me love his pasty ass that much more.
I didn't know Sarge was Mexican.
Via Hector, he has a lot of little mexicans swimming near his colon which makes Sarge at least half-mexicano
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
50 different people have explained it to you in 100 different ways...you dont want to get it....you dont get....and you never will get it
good day sir
I do get it.
I think the team has a rigid philosophy of how to compete for a Super Bowl. That involves weighing some positions (CB, OL) more than others (WR, RB), not overpaying for veteran players, constantly rebuilding with youth, signing young players to long-term deals, and staying in the playoff picture on a consistent basis, with the hopes that one day everything breaks right and the team wins a championship.
I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but I think it's what the Eagles believe gives them the best chance of winning a Super Bowl.
You think the team has some magical mathematical formula that guarantees them X number of dollars get you into the playoffs so there's no need to spend anymore than that.
I think that's kind of dumb for a few reasons, mainly because it's an exercise in futility, unless you can secretly read minds and know what Banner and Lurie are thinking. We will agree to disagree on this one.
The Eagles actually have a similar philosophy to the Steelers and Patriots, two damn successful franchises in recent memory. The thing is, though... those teams can, like, draft. The Steelers took the QB that made the clutch throw and the WR that make the amazing fingertip catch to win the Super Bowl. The Eagles took the QB that made the clutch throw-up, the TE that fumbled into the end zone, and the WR that recovered the fumble in the end zone and thanked his hands for being so great... after the divisional playoff.
Luckily, the Eagles are wising up and starting to poach players from the Patriots as they get worth more than a "team player." If they could just nab a few linebackers from the Steelers, I could smell a Super Bowl coming.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
50 different people have explained it to you in 100 different ways...you dont want to get it....you dont get....and you never will get it
good day sir
I do get it.
I think the team has a rigid philosophy of how to compete for a Super Bowl. That involves weighing some positions (CB, OL) more than others (WR, RB), not overpaying for veteran players, constantly rebuilding with youth, signing young players to long-term deals, and staying in the playoff picture on a consistent basis, with the hopes that one day everything breaks right and the team wins a championship.
I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but I think it's what the Eagles believe gives them the best chance of winning a Super Bowl.
You think the team has some magical mathematical formula that guarantees them X number of dollars get you into the playoffs so there's no need to spend anymore than that.
I think that's kind of dumb for a few reasons, mainly because it's an exercise in futility, unless you can secretly read minds and know what Banner and Lurie are thinking. We will agree to disagree on this one.
Nobody is saying that though. What they're saying is the ownership could do more but decides against it. Mostly because they're stupid - frugality is just a byproduct of their stupidity.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 30, 2009, 12:43:33 PM
I do get it.
I think the team has a rigid philosophy of how to compete for a Super Bowl. That involves weighing some positions (CB, OL) more than others (WR, RB), not overpaying for veteran players, constantly rebuilding with youth, signing young players to long-term deals, and staying in the playoff picture on a consistent basis, with the hopes that one day everything breaks right and the team wins a championship.
I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but I think it's what the Eagles believe gives them the best chance of winning a Super Bowl.
You think the team has some magical mathematical formula that guarantees them X number of dollars get you into the playoffs so there's no need to spend anymore than that.
I think that's kind of dumb for a few reasons, mainly because it's an exercise in futility, unless you can secretly read minds and know what Banner and Lurie are thinking. We will agree to disagree on this one.
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Kenny--youre continually writing responses the size of the new testament trying to convince a group of heads in here to think differently. It will not work
have your own opinion fine--but just remember CF is not puppy dogs, fire trucks and ice cream front office supporters so try and stay in line with a negative grip and you'll do just swell
This place could use some puppy dogs and ice cream.
Quote from: reese125 on April 30, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
puppy dogs, fire trucks and ice cream
Blatantly stolen, but I'll take it as a compliment.
i'll take some black raspberry in a sugar cone please. 2 scoops.
poodle and pistachio for me
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
poodle and pistachio for me
that's not only the whitest thing you've ever said, but i'm pretty sure that's the whitest thing ever said by a white person.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 30, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
poodle and pistachio for me
that's not only the whitest thing you've ever said, but i'm pretty sure that's the whitest thing ever said by a white person.
were i white id tell you to step off bitch
touche brutha man.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
poodle and pistachio for me
We don't serve poodle 'round here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 30, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
poodle and pistachio for me
that's not only the whitest thing you've ever said, but i'm pretty sure that's the whitest thing ever said by a white person.
were i white id tell you to step off bitch
Ha! It's funny because I'm white.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 30, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
puppy dogs, fire trucks and ice cream
Blatantly stolen, but I'll take it as a compliment.
I thought it was supposed to be beer, fire trucks, and hookers
You are a visionary.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/03/eagles/index.html
QuoteEagles Put on a Draft Clinic
Peter King, Sports Illustrated 5/4/09
I didn't want to let the draft go away completely without telling you what I feel is the most underrated and unknown story of draft weekend. I didn't notice it until I started piecing together all the trades from Day 2 of the draft, starting with the Giants' deal with Philadelphia that allowed New York to pick wide receiver Ramses Barden with a choice in the middle of the third round. But the upshot of that trade, and four others within five hours, left the Eagles as the power players in the 2010 draft.
What would you think if I told you the Philadelphia Eagles got third-, fifth-, sixth- and seventh-round draft choices, plus half a starting cornerback for nothing in this year's draft?
That's right. For free. There are no smoke, mirrors or cheating involved. Only thought and effort.
For moving down six spots in the third round -- eventually taking a player they were considering for that 85th pick anyway -- the Eagles got filthy rich. I am shocked more teams don't run their draft the way the Eagles do. It s almost irresponsible that teams don't do it the Philadelphia way.
"Actually, I'm happy more teams don't,'' said Tom Heckert, the Eagles general manager. "If more teams did, we wouldn't be able to do what we do.''
This may come out the wrong way, so bear with me. But if I were a football fan looking for a team to root for, I'd pick the Eagles, and what they did on draft weekend is a big reason. The Eagles think. They don't do things the way they've always been done because that's the way they've always been done. For all the frustrations they've given their fans because they haven't won a championship in the 10-year Andy Reid Era, they've done what, as a fan, I'd like my team to do: They give their fans a chance every July at camp time to think they're going to make the playoffs and have a chance to contend for the Super Bowl. Isn't that what you want, as a fan? A chance, every year? What team every year in this decade has given you that chance? Philadelphia. New England. Indianapolis. Pittsburgh. The Giants, maybe.
But what the Eagles did on the second day of the draft -- still unnoticed eight days later; no one's said a word about it -- is one of the greatest feats of trading down and getting value for the future that I've ever seen. And I mean ever. They took the 85th pick and eventually turned it into four draft choices between the third and seventh rounds, plus half of the compensation paid to New England to acquire Ellis Hobbs, a Super Bowl XLII starting corner.
What Heckert and Reid did, in brief:
• Traded the 85th overall pick (third round) to the Giants for the 91st (third-round) and the 164th (fifth-round) picks.
• Traded the 91st pick to Seattle for the 137th (fifth-round), 213th (seventh-round) and the Seahawks' third-round pick in 2010.
• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from Seattle plus the 141st pick (fifth-round, acquired from Cleveland) to New England for cornerback Hobbs.
• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from the Giants to New Orleans for the 222nd pick (seventh-round), plus the Saints' fifth-round pick in 2010.
• Traded the seventh-round pick acquired from New Orleans to Indianapolis for the Colts' sixth-round pick in 2010.
• Used the seventh-round pick acquired from Seattle to pick running back Javarris Williams.
Let's go back to my original premise in this column: I said the Eagles got all that for free. I meant it. When the time to make the third-round pick (No. 85 overall) was approaching, the Eagles looked up on their draft board. They had about 30 players graded very closely. Heckert told me if they'd been forced to pick the 25th player on the list, they'd have been fine, because these 30 players all had second- or third-round grades, so by the Eagles' system, even the 25th player on the list would be a solid third-rounder and worthy of a pick around then.
One of the players on the list of 30-some-odd prospects for the 85th pick when the board was put together was Cornelius Ingram, a 6-foot-5, 245-pound tight end from Florida who missed his senior year after suffering a knee injury in practice for the Gators last August. Now fully rehabbed, Ingram was "right at the top'' of the list of 30, Heckert told me.
Let me take you from the middle of the third round to the middle of the fifth, pick by Eagle pick, to see how they decided to keep moving down -- and the insurance they had to stop the moving-down madness if too many of their preferred players started going off the board.
At 85, and then again at 91, Philadelphia had so many players it wanted on the board that Heckert quick-dialed "almost every team in the league'' in the eighties, getting the Giants to move up six spots, then finding Seattle desperate for the 91st pick, which the 'Hawks would use on Penn State wide receiver Bootsy Grant. Heckert drove a hard bargain for this one, trading down 46 spots but picking up an extra seven this year and a three next year.
"Before the draft,'' he said, "we met as an organization, and we knew the 12 draft picks we had all would not make our team. So we agreed -- [owner] Jeff Lurie, [president] Joe Banner, Andy and me -- that we'd try to push for a few picks in next year's draft. First, we called everybody in the round without a pick, then just called everybody period. And finally we got [Seattle GM] Tim Ruskell to agree to a deal because he wanted Deon Grant.''
At 137, the Eagles still had about 10 of their gaggle of 30 picks left. And a veteran player appealed to them. They saw the Patriots take, and keep, two corners from the 2008 draft, and now, in the second round of this draft, they saw Bill Belichick take UConn cornerback Darius Butler. "We knew the Patriots signed Shawn Springs too, so we said, 'Let's try to get Ellis Hobbs from them.' We talked, Andy and Bill, and Bill didn't want to do it. But a while later we called again, and maybe they thought there was a chance they were going to lose him anyway. I don't know. But a starting cornerback for two fives -- we just couldn't turn that down.''
But now they really wanted Ingram. And the picks ticked by. The Packers at 145, Ravens at 149 and Texans at 152 were candidates to pick a tight end. Would they steal Ingram -- and would the Eagles have gambled too much and traded down one too many times to keep Ingram in their sights? Green Bay took a fullback. Baltimore picked a tight end, Davon Drew of East Carolina. Houston picked a tight end, James Casey of Rice.
The Eagles draft room exhaled. They picked Ingram.
Eleven picks later, without a guy on the board who surely would make their team, Philly flipped the pick to New Orleans for a seven and a 2010 fifth-rounder. And midway through the seventh, they dealt their choice to Indy for a 2010 sixth.
"We talk about it all the time -- if you deal a seventh for next year's sixth, then stay aggressive, eventually that seventh could become a first,'' Heckert said. "Even if it doesn't, and that's obviously a best-case scenario, it opens up so many possibilities to keep moving.''
I can't imagine a team that helped itself more on offense in April than Philadelphia. It got a left tackle of the future, Jason Peters, for first- and fifth-round picks in this draft, drafted speedy wideout Jeremy Maclin and pass-catching back LeSean McCoy and a good tight end risk in Ingram coming off injury. Next year, who knows what part of the team the churning of draft choices will help?
who picked javarris williams?
and who is bootsy grant on penn state?
Deon Grant, I thought Bootsy might be a nickname. No idea on Javarris Williams. It wasn't a 1st and 5th for Peters either, it was a 1st, 4th, and 6th.
i guess SI laid off all their editors and fact checkers
Quote• Used the seventh-round pick acquired from Seattle to pick running back Javarris Williams.
Kansas City.
how does that article get released...todd could do better than that
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 04, 2009, 09:02:21 AM
how does that article get released...todd could do better than that
Let's not go crazy with the criticism.
yeah i dont what i was thinking...my apologies mr king
Quote"Actually, I'm happy more teams don't,'' said Tom Heckert, the Eagles general manager. "If more teams did, we wouldn't be able to do what we do.''
stfu you arrogant farg
He's right about the Eagles having a chance to be good every year. The problem is that they sacrifice the chance to be great one year to maybe hopefully possibly still be "good" in 2-3 years.
Peter missed so many facts because he probably had a venti latte with light whip and a sprinkle of pumpkin spice in one hand and the automatic flushers in whatever "enjoyable/aggravating travel note" airport were scaring him.
I found this also, which is great:
Quotereferring to undrafted quarterbacks Graham Harrell of Texas Tech and Chase Daniel of Missouri, both of whom went undrafted
ha
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 04, 2009, 09:51:24 AM
He's right about the Eagles having a chance to be good every year. The problem is that they sacrifice the chance to be great one year to maybe hopefully possibly still be "good" in 2-3 years.
+1
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 04, 2009, 08:50:10 AMDeon Grant, I thought Bootsy might be a nickname.
Deon Butler. Grant was a DB picked a decade ago by Carolina (and now he's on Seattle)...
I'm just as bad as king
I personally loved how he claimed if he was a fan looking for a team to root for he would choose the Eagles simply because they move down every draft to pick up more picks for next yrs draft to only eventually trade those same picks again for the following year. WHAT EXCITEMENT!!
yeah, forget the steelers who actually just take their given picks and pick all-pros like James Harrison and win Super Bowls
Maybe he's factoring in that with the Eagles, you can get in on the "ground floor," as they've never actually put it together and won the whole thing. With the Steelers, you could be labeled a front runner for obvious reasons.
Having said that, it actually makes some sense, but there is a 0% chance Peter King thought that much about it before typing it.
or he's totally banging somebody in the Eagles FO
The whole premise is stupid. No one chooses a team based on what they do with their late round draft picks.
People choose favorite teams on things like location, colors, uniforms, or what their family roots for. The last thing I have ever heard a fan say is "man I never liked the Eagles but they draft so well and manuever so slick I HAD TO BECOME A FAN!".
him and reid are super close and hes never been shy about his love for the eagles
when you acquire an extra one in the right deal its worth getting excited over as many people did last year when they got a one that allowed them to get peters
but who farg cares about stockpiling second day picks
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2009, 11:37:09 AM
or he's totally banging somebody in the Eagles FO
My money's on Howie Roseman.
Actually James Harrison was undrafted. The Steelers signed him, kept him on the PS and then he went to Baltimore and then got cut and ended up back in Pittsburgh.
nm, you're right
King is an idiot for pontificating about which teams people should root for, but the Eagles' draft day maneuvers were worthy of praise so I enjoyed the article.
QuoteThey give their fans a chance every July at camp time to think they're going to make the playoffs and have a chance to contend for the Super Bowl. Isn't that what you want, as a fan? A chance, every year? What team every year in this decade has given you that chance? Philadelphia. New England. Indianapolis. Pittsburgh. The Giants, maybe.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things, doesn't belong.
Yeah, he said "The Giants" instead of "New York," right? That's all, right? Nothing else? Good.
Well, New England isn't a city, so there's that.
Noooo... you idiots. Indianapolis starts with a consonant! The other cities start with a vowel!!!
I thought Indianapolis started with a green flag.
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 04, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Noooo... you idiots. Indianapolis starts with a consonant! The other cities start with a vowel!
:paranoid
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 04, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Noooo... you idiots. Indianapolis starts with a consonant! The other cities start with a vowel!
backwards
You should all die. Hard.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 04, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
You should all die. Hard.
Sounds hot. Are you talking about stroking out while stroking out?
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 04, 2009, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 04, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
You should all die. Hard.
Sounds hot. Are you talking about stroking out while stroking out?
i think he wants us to make movies with bruce willis.
First one - classic
Second one - mediocre, formulaic tripe... but watchable
Third one - better than the 2nd
Fourth one - OK, that's enough of that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 04, 2009, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 04, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Noooo... you idiots. Indianapolis starts with a consonant! The other cities start with a vowel!
:paranoid
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2009, 03:46:57 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 04, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Noooo... you idiots. Indianapolis starts with a consonant! The other cities start with a vowel!
backwards
Die. Harder. Both of you.
but i think the overall correct answer is that all of those teams listed have multiple Super Bowl titles while the Philadelphia franchise, the Eagles if you will, have none. thus, that is one that does not belong.
Wow... I never thought of it that way... but, OK.
I looked it up on the internet. He's true.
That is an interesting perspective, but I doubt that's what he was getting at. No wai.
maybe it's the fact that new england is the only team that doesn't represent a specific city.
I already said that, you jackass.
Demps was on WIP about a half hour ago and said McCoy and Ingram stood out among the rookies while Maclin has work to do...
OMG Demps and Maclin are enemies and will split the locker room apart!
Im waiting for Demps to stand out
quintons on his way....
on SportsFinal, i forget who said it but McCoy they said looked as natural in this offense as they've seen anyone. He looked like Westbrook catching the ball out of the backfield. Maclin they said was Gliding, and thinking too much about routes. I dont think Maclin will catch on as quick as DeSean mainly because Cal runs a version of the WCO, and Maclin just ran soft routes.
The thought though of Maclin/Demps/Hobbs returning kicks, and Maclin and DeSean returning punts is a pant wetter
it was a three day mini camp played in sweat shorts
down boys
signed Jamaal Jackson's brother Jervonte (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/college/fau/sf--050609jackson,0,5225812.story)
QuoteJackson was not drafted in April, but was invited to tryout with the Phillies, where Jamaal Jackson is center.
fail
Damn... nepotism running wild on the Eagles.
yo easy i know a few papers that are lookin for copy editors i can hook you up kid
bankrupt ones?
if not now then later most certainly