when i saw the eagles strapping on flag belts in the warm up
last 8 second half quarters the eagles have scored 21 pts
is there anyway to spin that so it isnt a complete and total indictment on the head coach...thats two full games worth of football and 21 total pts when you need them the most...120 big game minutes and 21 pts
did i mention 21 pts?
unacceptable
enough is enough...the head coach has this organization going backwards with ruthless efficiency...its like he sniffed a wiffle ball bat sized line of coke threw the car in reverse and slammed the gas without adjusting the mirrors
paging jeffrey: please report to the locker room...your head coach just got served by jim fargin zorn...jim zorn...hes in his fifth game ever coaching...he still has accidents on the carpet for god sakes and hes coaching circles around that clown
im as happy as anyone with the phillies right now but i hope the media gets the mass fax that says the eagles still need to be put under the microscope...dont let the owner skate by because the baseball team is 8 wins away from a title
im not one to fire football coaches in mid season...so ill wait...but major changes MUST take place after the season...theyve been passed by the skins and were already behind dallas and new york...they are officially the worst organization in the division...
reality check time mr lurie...please do something about this
The coaching is fine, as are the receivers. And the kicker, for that matter.
i actually agree with IGY, the sad thing is Lurie doesnt give a shtein, they are still making money
the worst possible scenerio was Reid taking this team to the playoffs all those years (even losing) and making it to the Superbowl (still losing), because Lurie is so brainwashed now that no other coach can achieve that with this organization. If Lurie goes and tries to pull a "Zorn", chances are he could come up empty (see: other coaches around the league).
Reid made history with the organization, and that alone is/will be enough to keep him around for a long long time.
see the seats in the stadium yesterday? Thats all you need to know. Cash rules.
Peter Kings sums this up pretty well:
" Philadelphia (2-3). Watching the first quarter of Philly-Washington -- and the Eagles' 119-23 edge in yards, and Jason Campbell being 0-for-5, and Donovan McNabb leading three solid drives and throwing as well as a quarterback can throw -- I wondered, "How does this team have two losses?'' Watching the rest of the game, I wondered, "How does this team have two wins?''"
It's time for a coaching change this off season. Unfortunatly I think that means blowing it all up and starting over. Get ready to suck for a number of years...
the rest of the division is moving on and the eagles are left way behind. look how the taterskins played yesterday...almost 50/50 run pass...its simple fundamental football. andy reid's days were over the year after the super bowl loss.
its gonna be bad with or without reid...the offensive line which was always a foundation under reid is crumbling...both tackles combined age is almost as old as mccain...their best linemen is an injury prone basket case and thru a series of terrible drafts there seems to be nothing of quality coming thru the pipeline
the defensive line is an abomination...they got embarrassed yesterday...a new philosphy is needed there...small and quick doesnt work
with no lines you have no chance
and we dont even need to get into the wr situation...when kevin curtis returning to the lineup is what you have to look forward to then youre in big trouble
if youre gonna suck anyway you might as well make the regime change now and let the new guy build from the ground up
with the other three teams having lapped the eagles in the division you might as well start over now when youre not gonna win the division even with an average team
Quote from: Phanatic on October 06, 2008, 10:25:27 AM
It's time for a coaching change this off season. Unfortunatly I think that means blowing it all up and starting over. Get ready to suck for a number of years...
It's been time for a change for a while.
Reid lost the fear he instilled his first 5 or 6 years, over the last couple of season by either reluctantly changing...or not changing something that needed to be fixed, he would ride out with blind loyalty. (David Akers, Jim Johnson, still not d-line, etc...)
He doesn't really hold anyone accountable anymore. And that's why a change needs to be made...and I don't even think he
needs to be fired...but the coaches and the players need to be held accountable, and that just doesn't happen anymore.
The ship is sinking and the captain is going down with his ship...there's no way Lurie fires Reid. 3 of the last 4 years missing the playoffs. The talent on this team is certainly better than what the record says. How a coach regresses the way Reid has I'll never know. Has anyone seen Trent Cole?
where is the talent exactly?
the running back the cornerbacks killa and one rookie
thats where it ends
the talent on the roster screams 8-8 to me
In this division the Eagles might not even make 8 and 8 but I'm overly pessimistic right now.
So who's the next coach?
All I know is a guy like Coughlin, Cowher, Billecheck, or any other successful coach would be kicking ass and taking names. Reid can't even admit to the fans who ultimately pay his salary that this team is in trouble. His everythings fine attitude makes me want to [cartman]kick him in the nuts[/cartman]. It's a slap in the face to evey fan who buys a ticket, shirt, coffee cup or anything else that has anything to do with the Ealges.
its like wing said...but the lack of accountability doesnt end with the players...reid himself is not accountable to anyone and he knows it...so if hes not accountable to even his own boss you think hes gonna pay any mind to the media or fans
the whole thing needs a douche...a huge massengill with extra strong vinegar
They could go 8-3 the rest of the way and would still likely not make the playoffs.
Anyone think this team has 9-2 or better in them? I'm willing to place a wager that they do not.
8-3 would do it if they swept all the divisional games...but theres a 0% chance of that happening
the skins have already completed their road division schedule...advantage them
playoffs are out of the question this year
I love betting against my own team
Quote from: reese125 on October 06, 2008, 11:58:52 AM
I love betting against my own team
You can't lose, and you can't win. I like the odds.
But seriously, 9-2 sounds outright preposterous.
i won 200 bucks on the skins yesterday
220 if you count my shorebird bet
IGY, your first response to your own thread should of been:
I knew there was a problem yesterday....when I was rooting for the Skins to win for my bet to come in
not true...its just that if im going to go thru a week of hell working in wash dc then i feel as tho i should be compensated for it
....and if the Eagles won you should give $200 to the DC community for their sorrows?
You are a true philanthropist
yeah, but what if the Eagles won when Akers kicked a 48 yard FG at the buzzer?
lol, i know right?
When andy went for the 50yrd fg, thats when i told my buddy who i was watching the game with, that its a guarantee that the birds lose.
all the 3 and outs...just horrid. they must of had 6 drives that were 3 passes and out! all passes! what kind of game plan is that
with the first pick in the 2009 nfl draft, the philadelphia eagles select...
Quote from: mussa on October 06, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
all the 3 and outs...just horrid. they must of had 6 drives that were 3 passes and out! all passes! what kind of game plan is that
the kind you run when you have horrible wide receivers?
where is the hank baskett fan club these days?
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 06, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
with the first pick in the 2009 nfl draft, the philadelphia eagles select...
There has been a trade, the Eagles move Both first round picks to the patriots for a 2nd rounder this year, and a 2nd rounder in 2010
I'll say this...for once I do think the WR's are fine. Not stellar...but good enough to win. Each one brings something to the table, and has some talent (probably more talent on a whole than just about any other year not ending in 04). The problem is they try and take a good 3rd down WR...like avant, and make him a deep threat. Or a speed guy like lewis, and make him a slot guy crossing behind the LBs. The ALWAYS try to stick the square peg in a round hole, and it makes them look worse than they are.
Unfortunately, the rest of the team is in complete disarray right now (as far as execution goes).
I'm not basing this on yesterday's game though...I didnt see the second half as i switched to the phils and didn't go back.
Why would Jackson not be on the field for every offensive snap? No offense to Brown, but come on.
Even with sub-par receivers, the Eagles would still try to go deep. Yesterday was just dink and dunk all game long. You'd think if something isn't generating any offense the coach would want try something else.
The Eagles really need to replace Akers or never attempt anything beyond 35 yards again. And even from 35, he's probably 50/50.
Are the Eagles missing Andrews that much? Their inability to pick up a key yard in crucial situations is frustratingly amazing.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 06, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
When andy went for the 50yrd fg, thats when i told my buddy who i was watching the game with, that its a guarantee that the birds lose.
I went to the bathroom, no bullshtein... I knew there was no way in hell he was going to make it so I figured "Why sit there and watch it?"
Just as I was about to open the bathroom door, the rest of the bar groaning let me know he missed it.
You dn't need stellar WR's when you have a balanced offensive attack. they dn't have a balanced attack. everyone knows they don't. they don't game plan for anyone. they call the same damn plays, no matter what teams they face. its all fundamental.
Go Phillies
Hilariously, the protection was pretty good for Donovan yesterday. The offensive problems were with drops, penalties, and lack of push in the running game. Hell, the skins even kept biting on play action, oddly enough.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 06, 2008, 11:38:38 AM
where is the talent exactly?
There's more talent on the Eagles than there is the taterskins and Bears which was my point.
bears is debatable
the skins tho are infintely more talented than the eagles
was just going to post that--but not infinitely..lol
LOL @ infinitely.
You're ridiculous, dude. Seriously.
yeah that might be a stretch but they are definitely more talented no question
QuoteWhat Is Next Step For The Eagles?
Stay the course - 14.8%
Make drastic personnel change or two - 17.6%
Rip apart offensive philosophy - 35.1%
Play for next season - 7.8%
I just don't know - 24.6%
1275 votes
BTW, when comparing talent, keep in mind that the skins were without three of their best defensive players yesterday in Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Jason Taylor.
and they were in the second of back to back road division games coming off a huge emotional win
theres no reason the eagles shouldnt have won that game...they are an embarrassment
The taterskins have talent but for God's sake so do the Eagles. A blind man can see that the talent is being mismanaged, though, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Westbrook, McNabb, Desean, Killa, Andrews, Lito, Asante and to a lesser extent Sheldon, TraWilliam, Runyan & Dawk... that's talent right there and I'd go to war with the guys they have any day. Reid has bungled the talent he has with his retarded game planning and play calling to such an extent that what talent he has appears to have all but given up on him. And quite honestly, I don't blame them a bit for doing so either.
Did LJ Smith borrow JR Reeds wooden foot for yesterdays game?
How the farg do you go from good to horrific that fast?
Smith failed his audition for 2009. By all rights he should be gone after this season, but then again, so should Reid.
The rebuilt Eagles will not be pretty. As unlikely as it is, I still find myself actually hoping that they'll actually find a way to pull off the 9-2 or 10-1 finish.
at least somebody other than the eagles got raped at the game yesterday...that makes things a little better
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 06, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
The rebuilt Eagles will not be pretty. As unlikely as it is, I still find myself actually hoping that they'll actually find a way to pull off the 9-2 or 10-1 finish.
If they even pull out 8-8 it will only delay the inevitable.
The thing that pissed me off more than anything was the lack of heart that the team showed yesterday. Minus half a quarter they were completely dominated. That itself screams coaching change. This team will probably finish around 9-7 or 8-8 just enough for Reid to keep his job.
The sad thing is McNabb has played damn near as well as a Qb could play and they are completely wasting it. I would love to know what this guy could have done in a situation where he is not constantly asked to throw. Imagine how effective he could be in a situation where play calling was balanced. He clearly isn't Brady or Manning, but he is definitely good enough to win a SB with.
As far as the talent thing I agree with Rome, they have talent. If they didn't they wouldn't have been in every game that they have played this season. Problem is that most of that talent is getting old.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 06, 2008, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 06, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
The rebuilt Eagles will not be pretty. As unlikely as it is, I still find myself actually hoping that they'll actually find a way to pull off the 9-2 or 10-1 finish.
If they even pull out 8-8 it will only delay the inevitable.
Worst-case scenario.
Best: Win next week, start kicking ass after the bye.
Next Best: Lose ugly to the 49ers next week, things only get worse from there. Team gets blown up.
Worst (also most likely): Mediocre 7-9 to 9-7 finish. Stay the course with Reid (and Akers!) next year.
You forgot Gocong's contract extension.
The only extension having to do with Gocong is what I'm going to do to his girlfriend.
Her hair?
It'll be fabulous.
Quote from: SunMo on October 06, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
at least somebody other than the eagles got raped at the game yesterday...that makes things a little better
but it was Event Staff who did it, so the FO wins
The Bears can score 34 points and score 24 points against the Eagles with Davis/Booker(Lloyd got hurt) as their frickin #1 WR. They also have a rookie RB, a mediocre offensive line, and an average QB.
The Eagles have way more offensive talent than the Bears, yet the offense can't move the ball a lick. I agree that the Eagles still have room to upgrade, but right now this is on the coach.
Coaching has been inconsistant and bad for the last few years now. Time to move on. It's been a good run but it's over. This guy can't call a game and his team has no heart...
Id give anything to see Reid in San Francisco not holding that over-sized laminated card all game
Quote from: Phanatic on October 06, 2008, 10:25:27 AM
It's time for a coaching change this off season. Unfortunatly I think that means blowing it all up and starting over. Get ready to suck for a number of years...
Why do people latch onto this line of thinking? It's always "if we get rid of Reid the Eagles are going to suck for years" or "If McNabb goes the Eagles are going to suck for years..." But that's not always the case. In fact, changes can do more good than bad. Perennial teams that suck skew the numbers, but the well built teams succeed with coaching/ personnel changes. Like New England, Dallas, NY Giants, Indy, Tampa Bay, etc... Philly has a well built team, they just need a new coach that knows how to run the fundamentals of football.
Dem der coaches don't grow on trees and owners don't always make the right choices on that front. Sure the Eagles can get the right guy in there and turn the team around quickly. I'm not certain I trust Laurie/Banner to get that right. I'm admittedly pessimistic at the moment and I don't think they have it in them. It will take no less then 3 1 - 15 seasons for Reid to be fired anyway so it's all moot.
Sure there are good coaches available. Do they want to work in Philly?
I love how this team goes no holds barred in the red zone. I mean, they always punch it in, right?
What a mess.
Greg Lewis dropped how many passes Sunday? At least 2, and they were both drive killers.
And why are you people still blowing Asante? Lito is no worse, but much cheaper. I see Asante falling over and out of position constantly. His two picks were nothing special, and it's 2 picks in 5 games, BFD.
Put Reid's the key. He needed to go 3 years ago, but it's never too late, Lurie.
Get Cowher!!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 07, 2008, 07:01:51 AM
And why are you people still blowing Asante? Lito is no worse, but much cheaper. I see Asante falling over and out of position constantly. His two picks were nothing special, and it's 2 picks in 5 games, BFD.
thank you
the guys a good corner but it was a titantic waste of money when they already had arguably the best set of corners in the league....not to mention even the best corners are going to be exposed when the only way you can get pressure on the qb is by blitzing nine people
they should have anted up and did whatever it took to get boldin or roy williams ...some #1 wr isntead of an extra cb they didnt need...a real DE opposite killa would have been huge too and a much better move over samuel
and who was this big bad DE you were going to get?
Suggs was tagged and J Allen was your only hope. Christ... Juqua Parker is having a better year than Allen
and we've been through this over and over again...Roy Williams and Boldin were as available as Randy Moss. The "whatever it takes" philosophy has never worked in this organization.
Asante was a product of the Pats system. See my predictions at the beginning of the season. I see him get burned and I just get pissed off.
im in the camp that asant was not needed but i cant complain about his production. moss was held in check. he made a great INT against the steelers where he seemed more like a WR. he had a pick against dallas which led to a TD.
i dont think he is a product of the system. i even see him mixing it up in the run game and at least trying to make some tackles.
still dont think we needed him above all but he has not been a bust either. on the defense the big problem seems to be covering the TEs and backs out of the backfield. and it doesnt help that the offense has so many 3 and outs that they are constantly on the field.
According to ESPN radio, McNabb called a players-only meeting today
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 07, 2008, 12:51:30 PM
According to ESPN radio, McNabb called a players-only meeting today
"farg Reid, I'm calling the plays."
At least somebodys trying to do something.
he's just trying out some new jokes.
He doesn't need any new material with the joke that was on the field Sunday.
he wants a show of hands to see who will go to arizona with him to work out during the bye week
"looks like its just me you again hank"
that would be good..becauase that off-season fade route they practiced has been off just a tad during the games
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2008, 12:56:57 PM
he wants a show of hands to see who will go to arizona with him to work out during the bye week
"looks like its just me you again hank"
ha probably true.
Quote from: reese125 on October 07, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
that would be good..becauase that off-season fade route they practiced has been off just a tad during the games
Hey, at least they're taking some shots into the end zone from close range.
did you ever think theyd miss thomas tapeh around the goal line
Tony Hunt sucks, a FB who cant block
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2008, 01:16:04 PM
did you ever think theyd miss thomas tapeh around the goal line
Not having a real fullback then justifying it by saying "we don't use the FB much in this offense" is utterly retarded. The importance of a lead blocker cannot be undervalued at any level of football. If they're so in love with Hunt they should cut Lorenzo useless and sign a real FB to lead block. Is Jason Davis still out there?
all you had to do was watch mike sellers continually blow up people all day sunday to know how important a good fullback is and the eagles had a front row seat
what the farg do they need a full back for when they run shoutgun 90% of the time? To Andy thats a waste of a roster spot
instead of the playaction to westbrook out of the single-back..they now do it out of the shotgun. I mean, if thats not fooling the hell out of the defense....
Might as well cut Akers now, since they don't use the kicker much.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 07, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
Might as well cut Akers now, since he cant kick worth shtein anyway.
Mediocrity has never been a reason why they've gotten rid of a player.
truest statement of the day
if they ever lined up in I FORM or 2 back set and ran the ball up the middle with a lead blocker it would make sense.
Apparently the gist of the McNabb meeting was for guys to rededicate themselves.
Love it.
Donnie Mac tellin those bitches whats up.
lol mcnabb having the balls to school others. he might be the biggest Hoyda on the team and just a complete "whatever" personality with zero leadership ability and he is telling people they need to step it up. like hes a farging authority.
I still love how McNabb's lack of running around and screaming like a Gramatica brother means he has a "whatever" attitude.
Quote from: MDS on October 07, 2008, 06:47:37 PM
lol mcnabb having the balls to school others. he might be the biggest Hoyda on the team and just a complete "whatever" personality with zero leadership ability and he is telling people they need to step it up. like hes a farging authority.
Wrong. Some guys need to hear that shtein. And McNabb is the guy to say it. He is and has been the leader of the team, despite what WIP and Cataldi want people to believe.
You know, that might be true Phreak. But his bullshtein presser after the game saying "We're the better team" when the Skins had just gotten done manhandling them was beyond ridiculous.
It's like Kitna coming out and saying with a few breaks, they could be 3-1.
That's not leadership, that's bullshtein. McNabb has farging lost it. He's the best option this season, I guess, but since the playoffs are out of the question, might as well put Kolb in. You know they ain't paying McNabb 10MM next year anyway, especially not if they throw lardass out the door (as they should).
McNabb is not a leader. If he is, well, maybe he is because look at the results. Dude takes his orders from Daddy, aka the fat farg of a head coach, and that's that.
If McNabb plays a full season in relative good health, there is no way he is NOT an eagle next season.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 07, 2008, 07:08:23 PM
You know, that might be true Phreak. But his bullshtein presser after the game saying "We're the better team" when the Skins had just gotten done manhandling them was beyond ridiculous.
It's like Kitna coming out and saying with a few breaks, they could be 3-1.
That's not leadership, that's bullshtein. McNabb has farging lost it. He's the best option this season, I guess, but since the playoffs are out of the question, might as well put Kolb in. You know they ain't paying McNabb 10MM next year anyway, especially not if they throw lardass out the door (as they should).
No, he's right. They are the better team talent wise. They were not the better team on Sunday and that is what mattered most. However, him saying that and then following it up with this shows me that he believes that to be true and is trying to get everyone else on the same page as him.
That is being a leader. Giving up, like you and many suggest, is not being a leader. They are 2-3. In the NFC that is NOT being out of it and benching him and putting in Kolb now would be stupid.
Being a leader is standing up and saying they are the better team and willing his teammates to do better. He leads by saying it and by doing it.
Come on, Phreak. I know you love the Eagles, I can't seem to stop either. But they aren't going to the playoffs. The rest of the East gets to play the same shtein teams in the NFC West and AFC North as the Birds do. The rest? DAL v. MIN? WAS v. DET? The only chance is that the Eagles sweep the rest of the division games. Do your really believe that will happen?
They're already 0-2 in the division, 1-3 in the conference. The tiebreakers aren't going there way, and aren't likely to improve either. They're cooked. Besides, I wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than a SB. Ridiculous or otherwise, but true. That has 0% chance of happening, so I'm pissed. I'm even more pissed in that I figured this season to be a loss, and they played exceptional through week 3 (I was willing to forgive the Dallas loss). Now they are playing true to expected form, and I'm more pissed at myself for believing. BAAA! If they won't fire Reid, can someone just shoot the stupid son of a bitch? Please?
I do think they can sweep the division games. They have done it before. Namely the three in a row on the road with the gritty, fiery Jeff Garcia at the helm.
If this was week 10 I'd see it as bleak. But they have a lot of time left.
i cant even imagine the under the breath giggles and pg eye rolls that were going on in that meeting
phreak youve officially lost it
name your price
And those bustin out the giggles and eye rolls are likely the ones who don't need to be here. Guys who don't give a shtein.
Because honestly, there is not one person on the team who can step back and say they have played up to par.
$20 IGY.
YES!
and ill go higher if you want
Nah, we'll keep it at $20. I've got a few bets going on here and with guys at work.
Although I'm tempted to go higher, but I'll keep it low.
Stop betting against the Eagles making the farging playoffs, ass.
Jesus - it's one thing talking shtein but profiting from your (supposed) favorite team's misfortune is disgusting.
his blog entry touched upon the comments he made after the game. lets hope the frustration which led to the meeting and the blog entry leads to a win sunday.
I haven't read a single post other than the first one, but let me say that I agree with every word and would have agreed with it even after the Pittsburgh win that we were all jizzing ourselves over. Andy Reid's time is done. He can take a job in St Louis and rebuild that shtein-show. He'll do a good job of it I'm sure. but he is farging done in Philly and has been for 3 years. farg Andy Reid.
how could not. this team is beyond finished and when mcnabb is calling team meetings, you know things are FINISHED.
Yeah, I have to agree with you, it's pretty bad when the so called milquetoast man has to take the lead.
But, who knows, it might shake some players up and turn this shteinstorm around.
After years of defending the fat boy and his side kick Donovan Cunningham I am offically onboard the hater train.
Woooo wooooo.
Quote from: Rome on October 07, 2008, 08:19:48 PM
Stop betting against the Eagles making the farging playoffs, ass.
Jesus - it's one thing talking shtein but profiting from your (supposed) favorite team's misfortune is disgusting.
does this mean i should give back the 200 clams i won on the taterskins sunday?
no keep it..Id rather you post all of your bets on Sundays and tell us all how awesome you are
Least I have a chance to win mine back, no matter how slim it is. I take it as slim as an Eagle tail feather.
Quote from: reese125 on October 07, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
no keep it..Id rather you post all of your bets on Sundays and tell us all how awesome you are
not really since i thought the eagles would win...but if they didnt i was walking away with a couple franklins to comfort me in my great time of grief
Quote from: Yeti on October 07, 2008, 10:37:43 PM
After years of defending the fat boy and his side kick Donovan Cunningham I am offically onboard the hater train.
Woooo wooooo.
Me too. There has been just too much flakiness. The Championship Games against the Bucs and Panthers, the Super Bowl and all three losses this season. I want a Coughlin-style hard ass to shake this team up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: reese125 on October 07, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
no keep it..Id rather you post all of your bets on Sundays and tell us all how awesome you are
not really since i thought the eagles would win...but if they didnt i was walking away with a couple franklins to comfort me in my great time of grief
hold on....wait a minute....youre going to tell me that you wanted to prove yourself so wrong that you put $200 on it?
youre so full of shtein your eyes are brown
Regarding McNabbs meeting Stewie was on DNL and said it was mostly Donovan and Dawk that did all the talking. He wouldn't elaborate on what was said but he said it needed to be done and he agreed with what was said.
sure i am...because i go on message boards and lie about bets i make...you have no idea how many years in a row ive bet on the skins when playing the eagles
luckily youll never associate with anyone i am friends with but if you did you could ask any number of people i tailgate with how much i put on the game...they would tell you 200 bucks
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2008, 10:56:32 PM
sure i am...because i go on message boards and lie about bets i make...you have no idea how many years in a row ive bet on the skins when playing the eagles
I can personally vouch for three years.
At least three, might have been four.
Wow....
In all my years as a Birdz fan I can't remember any player on the team going this route by calling a team meeting, and without the consent the fat ass wannabe control-freak/head coach. Personally, with the salaries these guys make and the me-me-me attitudes in professional football today I didn't think something like this was possible. I'm elated to say the least.
Okay Mr. McNabb, you got me for one more week. Time to rep Philly like Cass & Beanie....
But as for AR, that fat farg can get the bozack.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2008, 10:56:32 PM
sure i am...because i go on message boards and lie about bets i make...you have no idea how many years in a row ive bet on the skins when playing the eagles
luckily youll never associate with anyone i am friends with but if you did you could ask any number of people i tailgate with how much i put on the game...they would tell you 200 bucks
never said you didnt bet $200..but whats the need to put $200 down when you just said you thought the Eagles were going to win?
the "just in case" factor? Youre a confused bettor...I think thats cute
He lives right in the middle of taterskins land. He can't help but be swayed a little by the constant barrage of Reskins rightiousness on all the local radio and tv.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 07, 2008, 10:54:32 PM
Regarding McNabbs meeting Stewie was on DNL and said it was mostly Donovan and Dawk that did all the talking. He wouldn't elaborate on what was said but he said it needed to be done and he agreed with what was said.
Good to hear Dawk was involved too.
Now translate the tough talk into W's.
Hell, at this point I'd take even a little effort.
I doubt this meeting does anything. The players coming together, bonding, praying or whatever they hell they did doesn't change the fact that Reid sucks anymore and they are severely lacking talent at multiple positions.
Also Akers could take 5 B12 shots before the game, and he still couldn't kick past 45 yards. Hell, even throw steroids in with that and it wouldn't make a difference.
I love this town. Dawkins can be completely worthless on the field, and never say a farging word, and he's a leader. McNabb can be above average or better, say only what he has to say, and he's a total loser.
guess you missed the entire thread on dawkins being done
dont listen to "this town" listen to the players on the team over the last ten years talk about dawk vs how they talk about mcnabb and youll know who has always been the undisputed leader
ive never even been a particularly huge dawk fan but hes an all time leader on and off the field.....mcnabb clearly is not
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081007_Morning_Report__Andy_Reid_doesnt_get_it.html)
QuoteMorning Report: Andy Reid doesn't get it
By Don McKee
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Andy Reid - architect of the 29th-best rushing attack in the NFL - is searching for answers.
Well, if Andy knew the answer, it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
The answer, of course, is to have the biggest, heaviest, strongest offensive line in football drive-block for Brian Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter and pass only about one third of the time.
Then, when you do pass, get the tight end and the fullback involved, so you're not playing nine-on-11, and try to come up with a play or two for DeSean Jackson.
But Andy doesn't know how to coach the running game. He doesn't even seem to understand the concept - that running the ball protects the lead and reduces the time the opponent can have it. It's easier on your offensive linemen, it's easier on the quarterback, and it minimizes weaknesses at receiver.
Reid also doesn't understand that it's 2008. Donovan McNabb is not the same guy as in 2004. He can't take off and run to make up for offensive breakdowns. Now, when there's a breakdown, it's for a loss.
Reid's lack of comprehension of the running game is so vast that he doesn't even think fullback is a full-time position. He thinks you can plug in marginal running backs and defensive linemen as wide-bodied blockers.
Tony Hunt had never played fullback in his life till Reid decided to make him one the week before the opener when Hunt was unable to make the team at running back.
Dan Klecko is a defensive lineman who plays backup fullback like a defensive lineman.
Yet Hunt and Klecko were used in the critical goal-line series that failed in Chicago and Sunday against Washington.
It is this kind of soggy offensive thinking that led Morning Report to its prediction of an 8-8 season.
But right now, 8-8 may be an optimistic goal.
That article hits the nail on the head and drives it home. Excellent.
yeah agree....I would really like a disgruntled employee to cut that out, oversize it and paste that on his office door
its funny how the other three division rivals all have smash mouth power running backs (and #1 wr's) and the eagles throw 60 times a game to kevin curtis
its farging all around reid and he still doesnt get it
Ain't that the truth. He doesn't get it and even if he ever does he's too damned hard headed and in love with the pass to ever admit it or do anything about it. I mean, seriously, I think he's physically and mentally incapable.
Don McKee's bitter, phlegmy ass is still alive?
bet he outlives old cheese wiz arteries
Excellent article... FB is just one example of Andy trying to fit square pegs into round holes and it's farging this team over left and right. He's got DT's and LB's playing FB, DE's playing linebacker, O-linemen playing D-line, etc. How about when you have a hole at linebacker... DRAFT A fargING LINEBACKER!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 09:14:21 AM
its funny how the other three division rivals all have smash mouth power running backs (and #1 wr's) and the eagles throw 60 times a game to Hank fargin' Baskett
its farging all around reid and he still doesnt get it
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 08, 2008, 06:47:04 AM
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081007_Morning_Report__Andy_Reid_doesnt_get_it.html)
QuoteMorning Report: Andy Reid doesn't get it
By Don McKee
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Andy Reid - architect of the 29th-best rushing attack in the NFL - is searching for answers.
Well, if Andy knew the answer, it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
The answer, of course, is to have the biggest, heaviest, strongest offensive line in football drive-block for Brian Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter and pass only about one third of the time.
Then, when you do pass, get the tight end and the fullback involved, so you're not playing nine-on-11, and try to come up with a play or two for DeSean Jackson.
But Andy doesn't know how to coach the running game. He doesn't even seem to understand the concept - that running the ball protects the lead and reduces the time the opponent can have it. It's easier on your offensive linemen, it's easier on the quarterback, and it minimizes weaknesses at receiver.
Reid also doesn't understand that it's 2008. Donovan McNabb is not the same guy as in 2004. He can't take off and run to make up for offensive breakdowns. Now, when there's a breakdown, it's for a loss.
Reid's lack of comprehension of the running game is so vast that he doesn't even think fullback is a full-time position. He thinks you can plug in marginal running backs and defensive linemen as wide-bodied blockers.
Tony Hunt had never played fullback in his life till Reid decided to make him one the week before the opener when Hunt was unable to make the team at running back.
Dan Klecko is a defensive lineman who plays backup fullback like a defensive lineman.
Yet Hunt and Klecko were used in the critical goal-line series that failed in Chicago and Sunday against Washington.
It is this kind of soggy offensive thinking that led Morning Report to its prediction of an 8-8 season.
But right now, 8-8 may be an optimistic goal.
funniest thing is since in the post game conference Reid was asked about klecko and Akers, Reid will go into "ill show you" mode and force Akers to try 40+yd FGs in the next game and line Klecko up more in goal line situations.
for the record i do not have a problem with using Klecko in goal line situations. from all accounts its sounds like LJ messed up the play twice (once by not lining up right and then wrong blocking assignment) and if anything McNabb should have called timeout or changed the play.
other NFC east teams continue to build there offensive and defensive lines while also providing their QB with great skill positions players. the Eagles? they are still busy stockpiling picks so they can draft more lineman for the future.
Hilariously, even with the bad coaching and mistakes, this team would be 4-1 if Andrews and Westbrook had stayed healthy all year so far.
forgot to add, but probably already mentioned by others, Reid honestly can not expect the line to become a powerful run blocking machine near the goal line when the whole game they barely run. 1st and 10 they throw. ok fine 1st down is a good passing down. say it gains you even 8 yards. its pretty much a certainty that he will pass on 2nd down.
then he will try a run at the weirdest time. like right before the half its 2nd and 15 and he hands it off to Westbrook....the eagles had all 3 timesouts and more than 2 minutes before the half.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Hilariously, even with the bad coaching and mistakes, this team would be 4-1 if Andrews and Westbrook had stayed healthy all year so far.
thats exactly the problem with this team. the illusion that will full health they would be this or that.
by now everyone knows that either mcnabb or westbrook will get hurt and they have to compensate for that. but REID never does. he never changes his approach, play calling, or makes any game day adjustments.
its that same myth they sold to the fans during the offseason. oh we dont need playmakers we just need McNabb and LJ healthy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Hilariously, even with the bad coaching and mistakes, this team would be 4-1 if Andrews and Westbrook had stayed healthy all year so far.
and last year they would have been 16-0 if mcnabb was healthy right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Hilariously, even with the bad coaching and mistakes, this team would be 4-1 if Andrews and Westbrook had stayed healthy all year so far.
and last year they would have been 10-6 if mcnabb was healthy right?
sure thing joe banner
only banner and his minions could blame an entire season on an injured player who played every game
it doesn't matter if mcnabb or whoever calls a players only meeting. the fact is fat ass is still calling plays and therefore nothing will change. i hope the players start criticizing reid like runyan has done before. are they that brainwashed? start speaking out against the problem eagles players!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 05:28:38 PM
only banner and his minions could blame an entire season on an injured player who played every game
He missed three games I think.
not the point....the reason they sucked last year was not because their qb missed two games...in fact they played their best game of the year without him
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Hilariously, even with the bad coaching and mistakes, this team would be 4-1 if Andrews and Westbrook had stayed healthy all year so far.
and last year they would have been 16-0 if mcnabb was healthy right?
20-0. The NFL would have awarded them an extra win for being so awesome.
You still lost your bet, though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 09:14:21 AM
its funny how the other three division rivals all have smash mouth power running backs (and #1 wr's) and the eagles throw 60 times a game to kevin curtis
its farging all around reid and he still doesnt get it
I don't believe we have thrown it once to Kevin Curtis this season! ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 09:14:21 AM
its funny how the other three division rivals all have smash mouth power running backs (and #1 wr's) and the eagles throw 60 times a game to kevin curtis
its farging all around reid and he still doesnt get it
I wouldn't call Santana Moss a #1 WR.
thats comforting
On this team, Moss would be no.1 plus.
JJ's fear of Santana Moss catching the deep ball indirectly led to just about all of the taterskins points.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 09, 2008, 12:36:26 PM
JJ's fear of Santana Moss catching the deep ball indirectly led to just about all of the taterskins points.
yeah i think aikman said as much. they are so concerned about the big play from MOSS that they are willing to sacrifice the run D.
The taterskins scored almost all their points because of the offenses adamant refusal to get a first down for most of the game.
Simmons takes Reid to the woodshed in his mailbag column this week (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081010)
QuoteQ: On behalf of every Eagle fan, can you please be the one media guy who doesn't suck up to Andy Reid and point out all the reasons why he sucks and needs to either resign or start smoking? The man either needs more oxygen or more nicotine. Thanks in advance.
-- Randy, South Philly
SG: I'd be delighted! Reid is like Art Shell with a better PR staff. He makes terrible decisions at the worst possible times. His players make boneheaded mistakes (like the DeSean Jackson spike, or McNabb's pathetic eight-minute drill in Super Bowl XXXIX) and nobody ever blames him. He doesn't seem to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players even remotely, as we witness every week when poor David Akers is forced to try 50-yard field goals with a 43-yard leg and their crappy offensive line is forced to keep ramming it down someone's throat on third-and-1. His clock management has always been horrendous -- always -- even back when the Eagles were going to the NFC title game every year.
Here's how much Reid has slipped as an NFL coach: During the Skins-Eagles game, Antwaan Randle-El threw an option pass TD that Reid challenged even though Randle-El was clearly behind the line. There was no debate. I watched the play live and didn't even know what Reid was challenging until Troy Aikman guessed correct. ("You're exactly right, Troy!") So we wasted two minutes watching replays of Randle-El throwing the pass two yards behind the line of scrimmage, then Philly eventually losing a timeout on one of the five dumbest challenges of this decade. And I was sitting there thinking that we needed some sort of a "Coaching Boners" stat to capture the following things ...
1. Calling for inane challenges that have no chance of getting overturned.
2. Horrendous goal-line plays that cause fans to start booing even as the ball-carrier is getting tackled.
3. Egregious and indefensible brainfarts by a player.
4. Any needlessly counterproductive decision along the lines of "David Akers couldn't make a field goal of more than 50 yards right now unless we injected him with enough cocaine, Red Bull and HGH to kill a thoroughbred horse, but screw it, we're trying this 52-yarder anyway."
5. Screwing up the clock management in the "Two minutes to go and we need two scores" scenario.
6. Screwing up your three timeouts when it's less than four minutes, you're trailing and you need to save as many seconds as possible.
When you think about it, we could easily keep track of those six categories. And if we did, Andy Reid has doubled the total of any other coach for 2008 coaching boners through five weeks. I am convinced.
welcome to 2002 bill...the man hasnt fallen off...thats who he is...who hes always been...the difference is the team has zesty players that he himself put on it...killing reids coaching is so five years ago...he needs to be taken to task more for his awful personell decisions