Its pretty obvious that last week was a shootout, they happen, both D's didnt show up. The Eagles Total D is ranked 4th Overall in the league (http://"http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1")The Eagles Total D is ranked 4th Overall in the league with Run D at 1st overall (http://"http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2008&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"). The Run D has been better than i ever thought they would be capable of. Shutting down Jackson/Barber/Jones/Parker is a hell of a start allowing only 2.4yards per carry, and averaging 45.7
QuoteRk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost
1 Baltimore Ravens 2 10 20 107 161.5 3.0 9.5 5 26 19 0 2 0 14 105 22:58 2 1
2 Pittsburgh Steelers 3 12.7 38 181 234.0 3.9 17.7 16 39 41 0 1 0 22 170 30:27 2 2
3 Tennessee Titans 3 9.7 29 183 240.3 3.9 14.0 11 42 26 5 9 56 13 95 29:49 6 1
4 Philadelphia Eagles 3 16.7 50 159 242.0 4.6 14.0 8 34 24 0 1 0 26 209 27:06 5 3
5 Buffalo Bills 3 16.3 49 174 247.3 4.3 15.0 7 39 18 2 3 67 13 85 27:40 4 2
6 New York Giants 3 14.3 43 178 252.3 4.3 16.0 16 43 37 2 3 67 20 132 28:37 2 0
7 New York Jets 2 16.5 33 123 268.5 4.4 18.0 9 27 33 2 3 67 6 69 30:17 3 0
8 Minnesota Vikings 3 17.3 52 166 280.7 5.1 15.3 13 36 36 0 1 0 29 230 27:02 5 2
9 Arizona Cardinals 3 15.7 47 166 283.3 5.1 17.0 11 31 36 2 2 100 16 129 28:02 6 4
10 Dallas Cowboys 3 21 63 172 292.0 5.1 17.0 12 35 34 1 3 33 22 167 27:06 7 2
10 San Francisco 49ers 3 22 66 198 292.0 4.4 18.0 15 42 36 3 4 75 23 176 30:28 5 1
12 Carolina Panthers 3 20.3 61 180 292.3 4.9 15.3 14 39 36 1 3 33 23 198 30:10 4 3
13 Washington taterskins 3 19 57 179 305.7 5.1 18.7 15 35 43 0 0 0 18 167 29:28 3 2
14 Jacksonville Jaguars 3 19.3 58 160 306.3 5.7 17.0 14 33 42 1 2 50 15 113 26:06 2 1
15 Atlanta Falcons 3 19.7 59 189 306.7 4.9 17.7 16 41 39 1 3 33 19 137 30:22 4 1
16 Seattle Seahawks 3 26.7 80 180 314.3 5.2 15.7 14 42 33 1 2 50 17 125 30:16 4 2
17 Miami Dolphins 3 21.3 64 174 318.0 5.5 17.0 16 41 39 3 4 75 17 95 30:07 6 2
18 Chicago Bears 3 20 60 205 321.0 4.7 21.0 13 40 32 0 2 0 22 166 30:28 2 2
19 Houston Texans 2 34.5 69 121 324.0 5.4 20.0 11 23 48 1 1 100 12 116 30:25 4 2
20 New England Patriots 3 19.3 58 168 333.7 6.0 16.3 18 37 49 0 1 0 13 110 30:23 1 0
21 Oakland Raiders 3 24.3 73 193 336.3 5.2 21.3 14 37 38 1 1 100 12 76 30:35 6 2
22 Indianapolis Colts 3 22.3 67 194 340.3 5.3 19.3 20 43 46 0 1 0 14 109 35:18 3 1
23 Cleveland Browns 3 22 66 180 347.0 5.8 21.7 14 34 41 4 6 67 23 182 35:00 2 0
24 Cincinnati Bengals 3 22.3 67 206 353.0 5.1 20.3 18 42 43 0 3 0 20 129 33:58 4 3
25 Kansas City Chiefs 3 26 78 177 357.0 6.1 17.3 19 40 48 1 1 100 16 113 30:50 7 5
26 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3 19 57 199 359.0 5.4 17.0 16 47 34 1 2 50 23 175 33:29 3 0
27 Green Bay Packers 3 23.7 71 200 373.0 5.6 19.3 16 42 38 2 4 50 21 136 29:35 4 1
28 New Orleans Saints 3 27.7 83 190 392.0 6.2 21.0 11 33 33 1 2 50 14 112 29:58 2 2
29 Denver Broncos 3 28 84 185 421.7 6.8 20.3 16 36 44 3 5 60 22 207 29:39 6 2
30 Detroit Lions 3 37.7 113 188 430.3 6.9 22.3 17 38 45 1 2 50 18 160 33:30 3 1
31 San Diego Chargers 2 32.5 65 146 437.0 6.0 27.0 9 25 36 2 3 67 13 96 33:01 3 1
32 St. Louis Rams 3 38.7 116 200 456.7 6.8 25.7 18 35 51 1 1 100 16 165 33:57 3 1
In my wildest dreams I never thought the defense would do what it did yesterday. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but that game was f'ing impressive.
If the Steelers O had a hard time imagine Kyle Orton & co. This week should be fun.
While I do think that the Eagles defense is closer to what we saw yesterday as opposed to the Dallas game, Pittsburgh's O-Line is pretty bad.
I read some stat somewhere (maybe ESPN) that the Steelers are allowing a sack every 5.5 snaps or something like that.
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif) just went down again
Stewart Bradley is actually pretty good. Gaither made a couple of great plays also, even if letting Ben off the hook on that one play was bad.
I don't recall seeing Gocong make a play, though.
bradley looked like the best player on the field for a little while.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2008, 10:55:41 AM
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif) just went down again
lmao, it took me a few seconds to get that...doh
i think that the offense is sustaining longer drives also. they are running the ball...which keeps the D fresh. I am really impressed with the D, but it is still early in the season.
Wonder where we are ranked offensively?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2008, 11:05:02 AM
Stewart Bradley is actually pretty good. Gaither made a couple of great plays also, even if letting Ben off the hook on that one play was bad.
I don't recall seeing Gocong make a play, though.
Gocong kept Miller quiet all day which was impressive. The crazy part was how many sacks they missed or lost because of penalties, they could have had 13 sacks at my count
Quote from: mussa on September 22, 2008, 11:10:24 AM
i think that the offense is sustaining longer drives also. they are running the ball...which keeps the D fresh. I am really impressed with the D, but it is still early in the season.
Wonder where we are ranked offensively?
Total Offensive Ranking is 6th overall (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1) not bad
Not bad...thats a really good sign considering how slow they start some seasons :yay :yay
the steelers completed eight more passes than sacks allowed...id say the pass rush held miller down more than anyone covering him...plus he was their top receiver and averaged 15 yards a catch...also if you watch how they run their defense they dont really require gocong to cover the te...among others i spotted samuel lito and even bradley a couple times covering miller....all you need to know about gocong is on a day when i think i even got a sack his stat line read one tackle
bradley is pretty good tho
Gocong's the one that comes out in nickel packages usually, right?
The Eagles probably play nickel at least 1/3 of the time.
correct
i actually just rewatched the game right now and lito covered miller a lot...i would imagine against power pro set offenses like pitt who dont run a ton of three and four wr sets the eagles will put a corner on the te
Good point. It especially makes sense for teams like Dallas and Pittsburgh, where their TE is their 2nd or 3rd best receiver.
The Heath Miller being their leading receiver is a little deceptive considering that he made two long catches on that last drive.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2008, 11:22:24 AM
all you need to know about gocong is on a day when i think i even got a sack his stat line read one tackle
Thier running backs were also not really getting to the LB level before being tackeled
I think the Gocong *hate* is unwarranted, but it's really hard to argue that he did a good job yesterday when he was basically the only starter that didn't make a play.
I was absolutely thrilled about what the D did yesterday, but I'm still concerned about the pass rush, when we don't blitz a lot. Juqua is inconsistent, and at times Cole is too.
this would not be the day to be concerned about the pass rush...and they dont have any players other than killa that can get their man one on one...altho darren howard looked reborn yesterday
Quote from: King Cole on September 22, 2008, 03:59:58 PMI was absolutely thrilled about what the D did yesterday, but I'm still concerned about the pass rush, when we don't blitz a lot. Juqua is inconsistent, and at times Cole is too.
You on the other hand are consistently the most idiotic poster this board suffers, beating out even
Munron on the regular.
its funny that when seemingly everyone was getting sacks....clemons still didnt get any.
what a terrible signing.
He is still in his training camp. And I don't expect him to last through the next one.
But, he was relatively cheap for a DE. It was a gamble on a cheap player at a ridic. expensive position. It looks like they lost, but they didn't lose much.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 22, 2008, 06:31:02 PM
its funny that when seemingly everyone was getting sacks....clemons still didnt get any.
what a terrible signing.
+1
This D is shaping up real well, and besides the line and linebackers, the Eagles have one hell of a good group of Dbacks, besides that waste of space, Considine. Quintin Mikell is the shtein. Samuel has shown it doesn't matter what kind of scheme he plays in, he'll make big plays. And I don't care what anyone else thinks, if Sheldon Brown isn't better than Lito Shepard already, he will be. Shepard can't hold a candle to the way Brown hits or tackles.
Lito intercepts, Brown hits. I view them as equally valuable corners, just different styles.
Equal in value only if Lito doesn't get hurt and miss a lot of time.
While it was amazing yesterday, I'm not ready to pull my pud just yet. The Eagles are notorious for being inconsistent. Cynicism creeps in and I imagine Kyle Orton behind that poor OL staying clean.
Although I do think the run defense is worth being given props to. They have shut down good backs.
Hell, I kept thinking when it was 10-6 that they'd end up losing 13-10 on some late game bullshtein.
You, me and everyone else.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 22, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
You, me and everyone else.
Yeah, pretty much.
Heck, if PHREAK was thinking that way, imagine what the rest of us were thinking.
well if you stop forte and force orton into 3rd and long....you can see a repeat performance or something close to it.
looking at the schedule till the bye week (chicago, dc, san fran) eagles should be 5-1. now thats assuming that they beat washington who shouldnt be a pushover but still a team the eagles should beat. they are not as strong as the giants or the cowboys and hopefully westbrook is back for that game.
even after the bye week they play falcons and seahawks. if the eagles can be consistent they should be in great shape.
even without westbrook id feel a lot more comfortable about sunday if it wasnt a primetime spot...that atmosphere is gonna be tough and coming out of there with a win will be impressive
I was Zanshin and wondering who got credit for all the sacks Sunday:
B. Dawkins 1.0
O. Gaither 1.5
T. Cole 1.0
J. Parker 2.5
D. Howard 1.5
D. Klecko 0.5
B. Bunkley 1.0
I'm bored, so I thought I'd critcize your word usage.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 24, 2008, 11:36:51 AM
I was board and wondering who got credit for all the sacks Sunday:
B. Dawkins 1.0 - 1 called back on penalty
O. Gaither 1.5 - somehow slipped off of ROFL
T. Cole 1.0 - 1 called back on penalty
J. Parker 2.5
D. Howard 1.5
D. Klecko 0.5
B. Bunkley 1.0
Off the top of my head. Scary (or beautiful) part is that they left a few out on the field.
Juqua!
Quote from: Zanshin on September 24, 2008, 11:53:51 AM
I'm bored, so I thought I'd critcize your word usage.
noted
It's just scary that Jaqua is anchoring the other side.
On the bright side, Jaqua Parker is better than that Jaqua Thomas stiff.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
even without westbrook id feel a lot more comfortable about sunday if it wasnt a primetime spot...that atmosphere is gonna be tough and coming out of there with a win will be impressive
I don't know the exact record, but the Eagles have considerably more wins (3x?) as losses in primetime games. That in conjunction with the fact that I'll be at this game mean there's no way the Bears win.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 22, 2008, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 22, 2008, 03:59:58 PMI was absolutely thrilled about what the D did yesterday, but I'm still concerned about the pass rush, when we don't blitz a lot. Juqua is inconsistent, and at times Cole is too.
You on the other hand are consistently the most idiotic poster this board suffers, beating out even Munron on the regular.
I am highly insulted.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
even without westbrook id feel a lot more comfortable about sunday if it wasnt a primetime spot...that atmosphere is gonna be tough and coming out of there with a win will be impressive
I don't know the exact record, but the Eagles have considerably more wins (3x?) as losses in primetime games. That in conjunction with the fact that I'll be at this game mean there's no way the Bears win.
new team new year...they are 0-1 this season...what they did in primetime in 2002 and 2003 is irrelevant...a win sunday in my book is an impressive win
The Bears don't scare me at all. Their offense kind of looks suckish.
i dont think it would be the win of the century but they are a solid if not overly impressive team and beating them at night in soldier field would make me happier than most games on their schedule this year...thats all im saying
Bears got D, thats it. We're a better team on paper and we should win this game. I'm not too concerned
We're the best.
Agreed, but people say mean things about us.
US!
Quote from: mussa on September 24, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
Bears got D, thats it. We're a better team on paper and we should win this game. I'm not too concerned
suicide....stat
Quote from: rjs246 on September 24, 2008, 06:43:40 PM
Agreed, but people say mean things about us.
US!
I think its awesome that people say WE.
I think its freakin radical that people make fun of that.
Win-Win.
Saying or posting "We" is so farging retarded it's not even worthy of being mocked anymore. It's actually worse than "owned" if that's possible.
mussa just got owned.
actually the bears should scare the eagles.
they have a very solid defense...maybe the best they have faced so far all season. they just had a terrible loss.
eagles could possibly be looking ahead to the taterskins next weekend.
but i hope mcnabb back in chicago is some sort of a motivating factor to play lights out even without westbrook.
Im sorry...but when you give up 400 yards passing to Brian farging Griese and its the Tampa Bay Bucs, and you couldnt generate 1 sack..... your defense has more problems than you think
McNabb could have a field day...thats if Max-Jean can protect him
Chicago should be a much easier out than Pittsburgh, which is a much better team. The Bears are really a one-trick pony on offense. Orton isn't scaring anyone, and if they are routinely in 3rd and long, I like the Birds chances.
There D has been great, but certainly seems to be down this year compared to previous ones.
I have a hard time believing this will be a loss, even in Chicago (of course, I thought that last year too, and if they do lose I'll hear untold amounts of shtein from the locals).
i get the feeling chicagos defense will show up certain games and disappears certain games.
hoping this isnt the game where they decide to show up.
Quote from: reese125 on September 24, 2008, 07:37:59 PM
Im sorry...but when you give up 400 yards passing to Brian farging Griese and its the Tampa Bay Bucs, and you couldnt generate 1 sack..... your defense has more problems than you think
McNabb could have a field day...thats if Max-Jean can protect him
he threw 67 times he better throw for 400 yards
he threw 30 incompletions
his avg per attempt was 6 yards
they had 17 yards rushing
67 passes and only 20 pts
more picks than td's
dont act like brian griese tore the bears up
All Reid sees is that a team got a W throwing 67 times on the Bears.
for real hes gotta be salivating big time right now
tra and runyan better get in some extra squats this week
MJG better shoot up before this one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2008, 06:18:44 AM
Quote from: reese125 on September 24, 2008, 07:37:59 PM
Im sorry...but when you give up 400 yards passing to Brian farging Griese and its the Tampa Bay Bucs, and you couldnt generate 1 sack..... your defense has more problems than you think
McNabb could have a field day...thats if Max-Jean can protect him
he threw 67 times he better throw for 400 yards
he threw 30 incompletions
his avg per attempt was 6 yards
they had 17 yards rushing
67 passes and only 20 pts
more picks than td's
dont act like brian griese tore the bears up
tell me a starter throws for 400..not a barely back-up qb..I dont care how many times he throws it
the bears are ranked 28th in the pass for a reason...and now face the most pass happy team in the NFL...good luck
This game gives me a heebeejeebees.
I don't really know what that means, I just wanted to say heebeejeebees.
The Eagles let the Bears drive down the field at the end of the game to win, with the aforementioned Brian Griese at the helm, last time. How could you not get the heebeejeebees when that is a relatively recent memory?
The Bears defense allowed TB to score 10 pts with about six minutes left in the game. Their defense is allowing 20 pts per game while the Steelers defense has only allowed 12.7 (Eagles are at 16.7). Also, the Bears only have 5 sacks on the season. When a QB drops back 67 times, you'd think a defense would accidentally get at least one sack.
Beyond that, the Eagles have stopped better backs than Forte, and Orton isn't going to beat anybody by himself.
Look at the quality of opponent Tomahawk, Texans and Browns vs. Indy and TB
gotta love me predicting that the eagles will win and that i would consider it a quality win and all the homers coming out in force to say how much better the eagles are thah the bears and somehow spin it into me being nuts and thinking the eagles will lose
homers are special like that ed dood
The Cowboys game not withstanding, the Eagles defense is light years better than last year's group and Chicago's offense is putrid.
I'm not saying the Eagles are going to beat the daylights out of the Bears, but an easy victory wouldn't surprise me.
Our front seven is great, our secondary, Mikell excepted, blows this season. Man I hate saying that about Dawk.
Quote from: Rome on September 25, 2008, 03:34:17 PM
The Cowboys game not withstanding, the Eagles defense is light years better than last year's group and Chicago's offense is putrid.
I'm not saying the Eagles are going to beat the daylights out of the Bears, but an easy victory wouldn't surprise me.
ooops
QuoteEagles punter Sav Rocca will be named NFC Special Teams player of month tomorrow. Rocca led the NFL with a 44.1 net average in September, including punts of 65 yards (a career long), 64 and 61. He also placed seven of his 18 punts (39%) inside the 20-yard line. Rocca becomes the first Eagles punter to earn player of the month honors. Eagles K David Akers twice earned those honors in November 2000 and October 2007
He's been busier than he should be.
It's really something to see how far he has progressed since last year.
Not sure if this was posted somewhere....but it's further proof how ludicrous this coaching staff and FO have become:
Quote
Abiamiri's return perfectly timed
Defense gets needed boost after Klecko's shift
By GEOFF MOSHER
The News Journal
PHILADELPHIA -- Suddenly, the most stable unit of Jim Johnson's defense is in flux.
Dan Klecko's abrupt move from defensive tackle to fullback on Wednesday left the Eagles short by one in their four-man rotation -- just in time for Victor Abiamiri to step in.
Abiamiri, a second-year pro who underwent wrist surgery at the end of July and only recently began to practice, took snaps at defensive tackle the past two days to replace Klecko in Johnson's tackle carousel.
Johnson said Abiamiri would probably play in small doses Sunday against the 49ers and mainly at defensive tackle in nickel situations, just enough snaps for Abiamiri to shake off the cobwebs and get a sniff of some action before they head into the bye week afterward.
Abiamiri's return made possible Klecko's move back to fullback, which allowed Tony Hunt's move back to halfback.
With Brian Westbrook's fractured ribs and Lorenzo Booker's slower-than-anticipated transition into the offense, the Eagles were suddenly thin at running back and needed Hunt in case Correll Buckhalter and Booker aren't enough.
"I think it [Abiamiri's return] is a big plus for us, and that's the reason we were able to do it," Johnson said.
Abiamiri will have to dig for playing time on a line that isn't accustomed to giving up much, especially the interior tandem of Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley, the bullies most responsible for a run defense that until last Sunday's blip against the taterskins had ranked No. 1 against the run.
The strongest teams always have great depth, and the Eagles had been able to sustain success by plugging in Klecko and rookie Trevor Laws when Bunkley and Patterson needed a break.
Klecko had excelled in the team's nickel defense, his two sacks already a personal best and one less than his career total.
Laws, a rookie asked to learn a complex scheme, has impressed Johnson enough to warrant more snaps in the rotation.
"He's going to play some more," Johnson said of Laws. "More and more every week it seems like he's getting better."
Laws, the team's top overall draft pick in April, has averaged about 10-15 snaps per game.
"I think I've been definitely playing better, hopefully getting better each week," the dreadlocked Laws said.
"I think that probably helped them [the coaches] know they can feel a little better putting me in there, knowing I can get the job done."
Laws and Abiamiri were once roommates at Notre Dame and played alongside each other on the Irish defensive line, with Laws at left tackle and Abiamiri at left end.
Both were considered standout run stoppers. But in their final game together, the 2006 Fiesta Bowl, Ohio State rolled up 617 yards of total offense, 275 on the ground, to humble the Irish 34-20.
"That was a rough one," Laws said.
Abiamiri barely played last season, when the Eagles drafted him with their second pick in the second round, 37th overall, but he practiced at both tackle and end.
After impressing the coaches during his offseason workouts, he entered training camp as the front-runner to start at left end until he dislocated his right wrist on the first day of contact practice and underwent surgery.
While he's been sidelined, Juqua Parker re-emerged at left end. Parker leads the team 3.5 sacks, making it tough for Abiamiri to reclaim the starting job he never officially had won.
"It's definitely part of the deal," Abiamiri said. "If guys are playing well, that's good. It helps our team out and that's good.
"It'll be even better for us across the board with a little more depth and [we can] have more guys with fresh legs in there. It'll help us down the stretch."
Abiamiri practiced mostly with the scout team at defensive end last and practiced at both end and tackle positions this week.
He still wears a hard cast around his hand and wrist, but his fingers are uncovered and he said he's not limited by the padding.
As for playing the tackle position for the first time, well, he's eager to see what happens.
"It's kind of a trial-and-error kind of thing," he said. "I'll see what I can handle, and what I can't."
So a guy who was a tailback and couldn't hack it that got moved to fullback and couldn't hack it gets moved back to tailback, replaced by a guy who was a rotational defensive tackle, who in turn gets replaced by a guy who was a defensive end his entire college career and was drafted as one. He'll be awesome at tackle. About as good as Klecko will be as the starting Fullback, or Hunt as a halfback.
farging. Retarded.
And I love the "trial and error" quote. Yeah, that goes well with "pedal to the metal" and "we feel we are a championship caliber team".
As long as they're testing out ridiculous shtein, how about trying Rocca at long field goals?
its at the stage now where you flip flop btwn being infuriated and just laughing out loud at the ridiculousness of it all...i hope i get to the point real soon where i dont get mad at this shtein anymore...maybe that will be in the next few weeks when the flyers and sixers are both under way
amazing, but expected
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2008, 01:49:17 PM
its at the stage now where you flip flop btwn being infuriated and just laughing out loud at the ridiculousness of it all...i hope i get to the point real soon where i dont get mad at this shtein anymore...maybe that will be in the next few weeks when the flyers and sixers are both under way
i say that every yr and it never happens.
What NFL team that thinks it's an actual championship calibur team operates like this?? Trial and error in the middle of a two game losing streak??
Brilliant!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2008, 01:49:17 PM
its at the stage now where you flip flop btwn being infuriated and just laughing out loud at the ridiculousness of it all...i hope i get to the point real soon where i dont get mad at this shtein anymore...maybe that will be in the next few weeks when the flyers and sixers are both under way
I try to get there... and here and there, I can. But I can barely watch what this fat motherfarger has done with my team over the last few years.
Sometimes you just gotta admit a guy sucks and that means you need to get his ass off the team... not try to make his ass fit somewhere else. All this RB at FB at DT at DE at LB shtein is just farging embarassing.
But Bill Belichick and Tony Dungy do it!
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 10, 2008, 09:13:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2008, 01:49:17 PM
its at the stage now where you flip flop btwn being infuriated and just laughing out loud at the ridiculousness of it all...i hope i get to the point real soon where i dont get mad at this shtein anymore...maybe that will be in the next few weeks when the flyers and sixers are both under way
I try to get there... and here and there, I can. But I can barely watch what this fat motherfarger has done with my team over the last few years.
Sometimes you just gotta admit a guy sucks and that means you need to get his ass off the team... not try to make his ass fit somewhere else. All this RB at FB at DT at DE at LB shtein is just farging embarassing.
it really is
the problem again goes back to accountability...of which there is none....you can experiment and mess around with your roster like youre coaching a fantasy team and you can make accoutants player personell people when you know there will be no repercussions...thats just how it is and thats the part that makes me wanna give up...the part where you get pissed off to no end is the audacious and crass attitude these people have towards the whole world...from the refusal to acknowledge the history of the team to hoagiegate to the gold standard to ripping the fans to say nothing pressers to not even having pressers...to blackballing players...and on and on and on...the way they treat a fanbase that is arguably the best in all of pro sports is one of the worst things ive ever seen....its one thing to be incompetant or just not care like a norman bramen and if they were just clueless it would almost be better than to be arrogant how they are
link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090109_Paul_Domowitch__How_Eagles_started_tying_up_loose_tight_ends.html)
QuotePaul Domowitch: How Eagles started tying up loose tight ends
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
THE EAGLES' defense is doing a lot of things exceptionally well these days.
They're keeping people out of the end zone (three touchdowns in the last four games). They're snuffing the run (3.3 yards allowed per carry in the last eight games). They are forcing turnovers (13 in the last six games). They are frustrating the hell out of opposing quarterbacks (.491 completion percentage and 5.38 yards allowed per attempt in the last seven games).
They also have taken the opposing tight end out of play, which wasn't the case earlier this season.
In the first nine games, opposing tight ends feasted on the Eagles like Yogi Bear going after a pic-a-nic basket, catching 47 passes and averaging a hefty 13.6 yards per catch.
"I never used to worry that much about tight ends," defensive coordinator Jim Johnson said. "But when they started getting big yards and making plays down in the red zone, that's when you pay more attention to it."
Johnson did more than pay attention to it. He made a couple of fairly significant changes to rectify the situation. The first was giving strong safety Quintin Mikell primary responsibility for covering the tight end on first and second downs.
The second was benching weakside linebacker Omar Gaither after the Eagles' Week 11 tie with Cincinnati and replacing him with the more athletic Akeem Jordan, who generally is matched up against the tight end on passing downs.
Like just about every other move Johnson has made this season, these have paid big dividends. In the last eight games, opposing tight ends have caught just 28 passes and averaged only 8.2 yards per catch.
The starting tight ends for the other three teams in the NFC East - the Cowboys' Jason Witten, the taterskins' Chris Cooley and the Giants' Kevin Boss - combined for 21 receptions, two TDs and a 13.7 yards-per-catch average the first time around against the Eagles. The second time around, the Eagles held them to 12, zero and 6.8.
"Sometimes, you just get into matchups you don't want," Johnson said. "We've been more careful in our matchups. I've used Quintin and Akeem. One of the main reasons I brought Akeem in [as a starter] was to match up with the tight end.
"People say, 'Well, what about Omar?' Omar did a good job. I just felt that Akeem was ready to play. I thought he could do a good job with the run defense, which he has. And I liked his matchup [against the tight end]."
In last week's 26-14, wild-card win over the Vikings, the Eagles held tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, who had three TDs and averaged 14.9 yards per catch in the previous four games, to one catch for 7 yards. The week before that, they held Witten, who caught seven passes for 110 yards against them in Week 2, to 7.1 yards per catch.
"Witten's a hard guy to match up with," Johnson said of the Cowboys' wide-bodied, 6-5, 262-pound tight end. "Quintin is about the only guy who can match up with him."
Boss caught six passes for 69 yards and a touchdown in the Giants' 36-31 win over the Eagles in Week 10. In the Week 14 rematch won by the Eagles, 20-14, he was held to one catch for 5 yards. Johnson is confident that Mikell and Jordan will be able to keep him in check.
"[Boss] has had a good year," Johnson said. "He's not [Jeremy] Shockey as far as down-the-field speed. But he's a good tight end. Quintin has good athletic ability. He has a little bit of that corner ability. For a safety, he's got very good closing quickness. He's got pretty good speed. He's a very competitive guy. A tough guy."
The D was great today, they made some clutch plays.
Better than the Ravens D right now.
Very important that Mikell wasn't seriously hurt.
Considine made the one good play in his stead, but was lucky interference or illegal contact was not called.
The last 6 weeks, the defense has given up 4 TD's, scored 4TD's... forced 13 turnovers, 10 sacks and is giving up an average of 10.8 ppg.
Lights. Out.
Best defense in the league right now. Just stop dropping so many damn INTs.
Quote from: King Cole on January 12, 2009, 05:57:19 PM
Best defense in the league right now. Just stop dropping so many damn INTs.
not that they are playing bad, but to say they are better than the Steelers or Ravens is crazy
I dont care if the names on paper look mediocre up front or how they played previously, to say its crazy they arent the best defense right now is very debatable
crazy might be a strong word but its not close...the ravens and steelers are on another level as far as defenses and just have massive playmakers all over the field
eagles defense is not intimidating anyone and other than samuel and to a certain extent killa have no one you have to worry about...that being said they are def the best in the nfc and have been playing tremendous...they just arent balt or pitt and theres no shame in that
wait youre disagreeing with me? cant be
again youre taking Ed Reed, Suggs, Lewis and maybe Ngata and putting them on a pedestal for some reason. That defensive front gets less pressure than the Eagles (except for the playoffs so far) and the Eagles blew them out in sacks this year
there is no reason you cant compare Suggs to Cole and Ngata to Patterson or Bunkley. That leaves the other 2 players who I can say have an advantage over the Eagles players. You yourself said the Ravens corners suck so Im guess Im just trying to figure out how the "not even close" comparison comes in
Pittsburgh--has the advantage over the Eagles
once again youre not giving the Eagles defense credit as usual
I would like to have some of your drugs, please.
I know times are tough on your end--hit me up Ill take care of ya
The Steelers have a suffocating, dominant, intimidating defense who beat you up as the game goes on.
The Ravens have a suffocating, dominant, intimidating defense who beat you up and score on you as the game goes on.
The Eagles aren't a dominating unit, but they've developed an opportunistic uncanny timing for big plays... along with a killer instinct in the 4th quarter.
I don't put the Eagles D up there with the other two... but I'm pretty damn happy with it right now.
The Cardinals defense has allowed the fewest yards in the playoffs. The experts say this is a big deal.
matt ryan (rookie)
tavaris jackson (warm urine)
jake delhomme (lol)
eli manning (23 mph wind)
i would say that neither of these teams have come close to what we might call a scary qb....this week they both do....the cards defense will be exposed the eagles will not
I'll take the Eagles defense over Baltimore and Pitt's in a second right now. You can throw on Pitt as their secondary isn't that good, and the Titans showed you can move the ball on Baltimore all day. Yes they have more playmakers, but their defense isn't as stingy. Especially up front.
If the Steelers aren't getting to the QB then their defense is done. They rely solely on their LBs getting pressure. Their secondary doesn't scare anyone. The Ravens fly to the ball, but they don't get pressure on the QB. If a good QB has time back there they can move the ball.
The Titans moved the ball on the Ravens, but when it counted most, the Ravens forced the crucial turnover. They make teams who don't turn the ball over, turn in over. Thats their thing. If it's not an Ed Reed int. it's a Suggs or Lewis hit that makes a player fumble. Also, not only do the Ravens make teams turn it over, they score on those turnovers.
I would want to play Pittsburgh in the SB if the Birds get past this next game. They have fits against 3-4's, but it's taking the less of 2 evils. Philly's record vs Browns/Ravens isn't very good.
yeah because those many all important matchups with the browns in the early 90's have a huge bearing on the superbowl this year
I know he would be in the Superbowl, but I would rather face a rookie QB in the Superbowl than Ben and company.
The Ravens offense did not exactlty light the Eagles up until Kolb came in and gave them some points. In fact the points they scored in the first half were also thanks to McNabb.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 15, 2009, 03:40:25 PM
I know he would be in the Superbowl, but I would rather face a rookie QB in the Superbowl than Ben and company.
The Ravens offense did not exactlty light the Eagles up until Kolb came in and gave them some points. In fact the points they scored in the first half were also thanks to McNabb.
+1
Ravens offense doesn't score points against the Eagles D, especially this version, unless the O contributes points to Balt.
If the Eagles play bad against the Ravens in the first half of the Superbowl, does Donovan get benched? I say yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2009, 12:05:33 PM
yeah because those many all important matchups with the browns in the early 90's have a huge bearing on the superbowl this year
yeah, that fricken 1979 matchup at The Vet still hovers over the complex. Brian Sipe :boom
ha