Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080717_Like_Sheppard__Eagles_Westbrook_hires_new_agent.html)
QuoteA source close to the situation indicated that Westbrook may end up hiring All Pro Sports & Entertainment Inc., the group that includes agents Peter Schaffer and Lamont Smith. That is the same group that represented Sheppard before he hired Rosenhaus earlier this week. Agent John Rickert is also part of the All Pro group and represents Eagles running back Correll Buckhalter, another former client of Fletcher Smith.
At least it's not Drew...yet.
QuoteAsked last week if he would consider holding out from this year's training camp, Westbrook said, "to be honest with you, I don't know. I don't foresee me holding out of this training camp, but . .
Lovely
Booo....I wanted Rosenhaus. :'(
this is why they traded for booker
i hope he hires drew.....farg joe banner
Dammit... why the farg don't the Eagles just take care of this shtein before things gets ugly?
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 17, 2008, 03:12:05 PM
Dammit... why the farg don't the Eagles just take care of this shtein before things gets ugly?
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Ask Mr. Nickle and Dime.
I'm fairly confident Westbrook will have a new deal by the time the season starts. What sucks is now they have to explain over and over again to the other schmuck why Westbrook is deserving of a new deal but Lito isn't.
I'm glad you're confident, SD. I'm not. They have not shown that they will go out and get that deal done, especially if he holds out.
And this is his second agent switch. He went with "McNabb's guy" prior to the last extension, I believe.
I don't agree with igy that this is why they got Booker. I think they got Booker because they realize that Buck is running on borrowed time, Moats is a dumbass who fumbles all the time and Hunt is a major unknown.
Fix the situation, Eagles. Give the most underrated player in the NFL his cash and make him happy. He is the best player on the team and probably the best and most team-important player in the entire division. GET IT DONE.
FWIW, L.Smith/Schaffer are Jamaal Jackson's agents...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 17, 2008, 09:19:11 PM
I don't agree with igy that this is why they got Booker. I think they got Booker because they realize that Buck is running on borrowed time, Moats is a dumbass who fumbles all the time and Hunt is a major unknown.
after the battle with the money they overpaid him and the fact that theyve known for quite a while how upset he is with his deal and then what they gave samuel pissing off the team you best believe they got booker as a insurance policy...
not that they dont like him and also i think hes an injury insurance policy but at the heart of the move is protection against contract issues...the same way they drafted moats in case westbrook left they traded for booker
Can we please stop referring to Westbrook as underrated? He's been to the probowl. Everyone knows who he is and knows what he means to this offense. He's not underrated.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 17, 2008, 09:47:37 PM
Can we please stop referring to Westbrook as underrated? He's been to the probowl. Everyone knows who he is and knows what he means to this offense. He's not underrated.
hes ridiculously underrated in terms of media and fan attention....the players and coaches know how good he is
what? the media rides his nuts all the time
all you hear is he is the best 2-dimensional weapon this, big-threat that. What other RB's in the league get the most media and fan attention besides LT and Peterson?
but he hasn't been on the cover of a video game yet!
Quote from: reese125 on July 17, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
what? the media rides his nuts all the time
all you hear is he is the best 2-dimensional weapon this, big-threat that. What other RB's in the league get the most media and fan attention besides LT and Peterson?
of course its dallas and ny but christ marion barber and brandon jacobs get as much or more attention...reggie bush...joseph addai...westbrook gets slept on so hard for how good he is
lol, comcast talks about Westbrook all the time and Reese thinks he gets a ton of media attention
Quote from: SunMo on July 17, 2008, 10:03:05 PM
lol, comcast talks about Westbrook all the time and Reese thinks he gets a ton of media attention
ha...i was gonna say that...we are talking nationally
yeah thats right, I cant turn the knob on my Mitsubishi because its stuck on Comcast
I dont know if you want 2hr specials on Eagles RB's or an ESPN documentary, but the guy gets much props from plenty of writers and announcers--you two just need to get out of bed together and stop watching Dancing with the Stars
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every broadcast, every article ever person who knows and talks about football gives westbrook props left and right. Joseph farging Addai getting more attention that Westbrook? Give me a break.
the best one was Brandon Jacobs
I just hope he lives up to the statue they built for him out side the stadium
Quote from: rjs246 on July 17, 2008, 10:14:14 PM
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every broadcast, every article ever person who knows and talks about football gives westbrook props left and right. Joseph farging Addai getting more attention that Westbrook? Give me a break.
Not so much from what I hear...
When I listen to NFL radio or ESPN radio Westbrook is barely mentioned as a top back. A few hosts will bring him up.
The only national media member who rates him top 3-5 is Colin Cowherd. He loves Westbrook.
So yeah, I believe he is underrated publicly.
When nationally, you still get called Michael Westbrook on a semi-regular basis... you're underrated.
Put your cocks away boys. Brian don't want none of that.
Two years ago he was underrated. Now, he's just sort of...rated. You think he's still underrated because he's become a media darling whose general tagline is "underrated." But if everyone talks about you and says you're underrated, are you?
Especially with the popularity of fantasy football, I think he generally gets his due..if not, it's just a shade under his due. He doesn't get LT-type attention nationally...but he certainly gets quite a bit more than Jacobs, Addai, et al.
Westbrook is injury prone.
Are you trying to get me started, Munson?
INJURY PRONE!
I heard he's got bad knees. And he's getting old.
Funny how guys with contract issues tend to come down with that.
You guys forgot to mention that he's black.
And Catholic. . .
Oh God, he goes to black Mass!
Every fantasy ranking I've seen has Bwest third behind LT and Peterson for the top picks. When or if he gets paid by the Eagles, he should break the bank. If I were his agent, I'd start with a 10 mil signing bonus.
good story on the contract situation...lots of good quotes and interesting points...doesnt sound too promising to me...westbrook is dropping the name of ladainian and we know the eagles arent paying a guy about to turn 30 anywhere close to that amount
Quote
Game On
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
UPPER MARLBORO, Md. - Brian Westbrook, dressed in blue jeans and gray leather cowboy boots, stood casually next to his brown gelding Jo Jo on July 11. The Eagles' star running back was in the place where he goes to escape from the rugged life of professional football and his own thoughts of a contract extension he covets from the team that employs him.
"I try to take my mind off the game out here," Westbrook said as he combed his 10-year-old horse's pitch-black mane. "I try to get away from the contract talk."
An invited visitor to Westbrook's bucolic horse farm, which sits 30 minutes and a world away from the nation's capital, made it impossible for the running back to forget about football and his contract on this hot afternoon. Training camp starts tomorrow, with rookies and assorted veterans set to report to Lehigh University. Westbrook and the remaining veterans are scheduled to arrive Thursday afternoon.
After providing a lengthy explanation of how the man who provides the horsepower for the Eagles' offense got interested in owning and boarding horses, the subject of Westbrook's contract was raised. It was a hot-button topic for the running back just a few days before he fired agent Fletcher Smith.
"The contract thing is a sour point for me because when you deserve something you deserve something," Westbrook said. "What's right is right, and what's fair is fair."
A new contract, accompanied by a lucrative signing bonus, is what Westbrook said he and his former agent sought from the Eagles this entire off-season.
"I tried to get this thing done in the middle of last year," he said. "I tried to get it done from January until now. It still hasn't gotten done."
Eagles don't disagree
Westbrook is in the third season of a five-year deal he signed in 2005. He is scheduled to make a $3 million base salary and receive a $1.5 million roster bonus this season. He will be paid $3.5 million in 2009 and $4.5 million in 2010.
An Eagles source said the team does not disagree with Westbrook on the premise that the remaining three years of his contract are beneath his market value. The source said it was the Eagles who approached Smith and Westbrook about a contract extension, but the running back wanted to restructure his current deal instead. The Eagles, according to the source, agreed that they would attempt to rework the running back's current contract.
The Eagles said they made a fair offer to Westbrook and maintain that Smith also believed it was a reasonable deal. Smith has not returned phone calls since the news broke that he is no longer the running back's agent, and Westbrook also has not been available for comment.
It's obvious that Westbrook wasn't satisfied with the Eagles' offer, which is why he is hiring a new agent.
John Rickert of All Pro Sports and Entertainment said he still had not heard from Westbrook as of yesterday afternoon. One league source thought Rickert was the leading candidate to replace Smith.
Another league source said Todd France and Joel Segal are candidates for the job. Howard Shatsky, who was with the firm that negotiated Westbrook's rookie contract, has remained close with the running back, but he appears to be a long shot for the job. Shatsky, who formerly worked with Tony Agnone's Eastern Athletic Services, now works for ProStar Sports Agency.
"To me, it comes down to whether the team respects you," Westbrook said. "I look at it in dollars and cents. If you think you have a coach who is doing a great job, you pay him - the same way they did with Andy Reid a couple of years ago and the same way with [vice president of player personnel] Howie Roseman a few months ago. They respected him. They saw what he was doing, and they moved him up in the organization, and they paid him. I see that happening in the organization, and I wouldn't see why it wasn't happening with me as well."
Leadership counts
Westbrook mapped out a long list of reasons why he feels he should be better compensated for his services.
"My play on the field, I think that has spoke for itself. . . . But off the field, who are these young guys coming to for leadership?" Westbrook said. "Who did [rookie wide receiver] DeSean Jackson call just the other day wanting to know what to do about A, B and C? Who are Lorenzo Booker and Tony Hunt looking at to teach them? My leadership aspect on this team doesn't lie. What the coaches ask me to do for this team on the field and off the field, they can't lie about that, either."
Westbrook's final point about his contract is that if the Eagles gave him an extension, it would provide incentive for his teammates.
"Players see you getting compensated and that makes them want to go bust their butt," Westbrook said. "Nobody is going to quit on this team, but if you know you're going to be compensated, you might give that little extra. That's natural."
Works its way up
Exactly what it would take to execute a new deal between Westbrook and the Eagles isn't known, but the star running back did give a hint of what he's seeking as he stood on his horse farm 10 days ago.
"If LaDainian [Tomlinson] got paid $25 million guaranteed in 2003 and now it's 2008, the next person needs to be paid $30 million guaranteed," Westbrook said. "It works its way up. You can't sit here and say, 'I'm as good as LaDainian right now, and I'm getting paid five years after him. . . . So I'll take $15 million.' That doesn't make any sense."
Tomlinson, perceived by most people to be the best running back in the NFL, signed an eight-year, $60 million extension with the San Diego Chargers in 2004 when he was 25 years old. Westbrook will turn 29 five days before the Eagles' season opener against the St. Louis Rams, and the blue-book value on running backs works a lot like automobiles: the longer you drive them the less they are worth.
When that point was raised, Westbrook said he has a lot of good years left in his legs because he's not the kind of running back who is constantly being pounded by opposing defenders.
"Look at a guy like Eddie George," Westbrook said. "He was a big, bruising back who was done after six or seven years. That's not my style. There's no doubt in my mind that I can be great for this team for years to come, and I'm not saying that to get a contract."
In four days, Westbrook is scheduled to report to training camp to begin his seventh NFL season. Even with a new agent, it appears likely that he will report and continue to work on a new deal with the team.
If you're going to drop names of people coming to you asking for help, maybe you should drop a name that can be credited with some kind of success.
QuoteThe source said it was the Eagles who approached Smith and Westbrook about a contract extension, but the running back wanted to restructure his current deal instead. The Eagles, according to the source, agreed that they would attempt to rework the running back's current contract.
The Eagles said they made a fair offer to Westbrook and maintain that Smith also believed it was a reasonable deal. Smith has not returned phone calls since the news broke that he is no longer the running back's agent, and Westbrook also has not been available for comment.
I like that the Eagles initiated it. But I don't like that what they and the ex-agent deemed fair was angering enough to Westbrook to fire the guy. That is a bad sign because it means he's shooting for the huge numbers.
But that's neither here nor there; the fact is the team has to make it work. They have to get it done and keep Westbrook happy.
On the same side, Westbrook has to be careful not to sound too "me, me, me" which I think he does when he talks about guys calling him. He's on point with everything else, but don't get too crazy Brian. We know you need to get paid.
For some reason I have a hard time imagining him wearing cowboy boots.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2008, 11:22:44 AM
QuoteThe source said it was the Eagles who approached Smith and Westbrook about a contract extension, but the running back wanted to restructure his current deal instead. The Eagles, according to the source, agreed that they would attempt to rework the running back's current contract.
The Eagles said they made a fair offer to Westbrook and maintain that Smith also believed it was a reasonable deal. Smith has not returned phone calls since the news broke that he is no longer the running back's agent, and Westbrook also has not been available for comment.
I like that the Eagles initiated it. But I don't like that what they and the ex-agent deemed fair was angering enough to Westbrook to fire the guy. That is a bad sign because it means he's shooting for the huge numbers.
how do you know the eagles initiated it?...the eagles have not gone on record...the fact that all you get here is a "source" from their side means that banner (or one of his minions) told the reporter he would give him information but only if a name wasnt attached...so naturally the info they give is completely favorable to them...whether you agree with westbrook or not at least he is coming out and being upfront about what he wants
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2008, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2008, 11:22:44 AM
QuoteThe source said it was the Eagles who approached Smith and Westbrook about a contract extension, but the running back wanted to restructure his current deal instead. The Eagles, according to the source, agreed that they would attempt to rework the running back's current contract.
The Eagles said they made a fair offer to Westbrook and maintain that Smith also believed it was a reasonable deal. Smith has not returned phone calls since the news broke that he is no longer the running back's agent, and Westbrook also has not been available for comment.
I like that the Eagles initiated it. But I don't like that what they and the ex-agent deemed fair was angering enough to Westbrook to fire the guy. That is a bad sign because it means he's shooting for the huge numbers.
how do you know the eagles initiated it?...the eagles have not gone on record...the fact that all you get here is a "source" from their side means that banner (or one of his minions) told the reporter he would give him information but only if a name wasnt attached...so naturally the info they give is completely favorable to them...whether you agree with westbrook or not at least he is coming out and being upfront about what he wants
You're right, I don't know for sure and I am only going off of this source.
I do like Westbrook coming out and saying whats up. But I don't want to see him get too crazy with it. The teammate thing went overboard a little, I think.
State your case, do what you have to do to get it done and see what happens.
Perhaps he should have canned his agent during the off-season if he didn't like the way it was going then.
But I think we are all in agreement that they should pay him and get the deal done to have no problems going into this season.
im certainly not a capologist but i do know that even after the eagles sign all their draft picks they will be more than 15 mil over the cap...is there any reason why they couldnt give westbrook a 15 mil sb and not prorate any of it...that way they protect themselves as westbrook gets into his thirties since he would only be on the books for his base salary
I know they have to leave a few million open so they can write ridiculous performance clauses that certain players will never achieve. That's one of the loopholes Banner exposed to free up cap space for the following season. But the rest of the money goes unspent, so give it to Westbrook. Not only would they be making their best player happy, they'd also be showing the rest of the team they'll be rewarded for outperforming their deal (if they actually deserve it).
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2008, 12:08:59 PM
im certainly not a capologist but i do know that even after the eagles sign all their draft picks they will be more than 15 mil over the cap...is there any reason why they couldnt give westbrook a 15 mil sb and not prorate any of it...that way they protect themselves as westbrook gets into his thirties since he would only be on the books for his base salary
$15 million under the cap sounds like alot, but they probably want to keep much of that and try to re-sign a young player or two like Bunkley or Bradley to a 100 year extension, keep a few million for FA signings (maybe rolled over into next via LTBEs etc. as SD said), and keep at least a couple million in reserve through out the season. Giving it all as a big roster bonus up front now would would eat into this, and if there is a good chance of an uncapped year, better to give a big lump sum then and lock up the young guys now.
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 20, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2008, 12:08:59 PM
$15 million under the cap sounds like alot, but they probably want to keep much of that and try to re-sign a young player or two like Bunkley or Bradley to a 100 year extension, keep a few million for FA signings (maybe rolled over into next via LTBEs etc. as SD said), and keep at least a couple million in reserve through out the season. Giving it all as a big roster bonus up front now would would eat into this, and if there is a good chance of an uncapped year, better to give a big lump sum then and lock up the young guys now.
after your picks are signed 15 mil under the cap IS a lot
and i disagree about the young players....id much rather give it to your best player whos earned it....if you wanna keep a few mil for a rainy day i can understand that...but what young players are even deserving of a re up...its not like this team is stocked with talent...who would you give the money to over westbrook
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 20, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2008, 12:08:59 PM
$15 million under the cap sounds like alot, but they probably want to keep much of that and try to re-sign a young player or two like Bunkley or Bradley to a 100 year extension, keep a few million for FA signings (maybe rolled over into next via LTBEs etc. as SD said), and keep at least a couple million in reserve through out the season. Giving it all as a big roster bonus up front now would would eat into this, and if there is a good chance of an uncapped year, better to give a big lump sum then and lock up the young guys now.
after your picks are signed 15 mil under the cap IS a lot
and i disagree about the young players....id much rather give it to your best player whos earned it....if you wanna keep a few mil for a rainy day i can understand that...but what young players are even deserving of a re up...its not like this team is stocked with talent...who would you give the money to over westbrook
I'm just saying what the Eagles philosophy is - build through the draft, entice promising but not yet proven young guys with long term deals and good signing bonuses but low yearly salaries, and save wads of cash so you can go after an Asante Samuel for $60 million and a Randy Moss at $9 million per year, or if not roll it over into the next years cap. They will weigh this against giving a RB who is already signed through 2010, at which time he'll be 30 yrs old, a big new signing bonus. If that's what Westbrook is looking for it's just not in the cards, and I hope it doesn't get ugly.
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quote function motherfargers, learn it
I don't want to see them keep the money to sign young unproven players. Bwest is arguably the best offensive player, if not the best player on both sides of the ball that this team has ever had. Pay the man, dammitt!
And if they have to overpay by their motherfargin' farged up standards, then do it. They've had the biggest bargin in the NFL the last two years.
PAY THE MAN!!
Les Bowen said he wants 30 million guaranteed over the remainder of his contract, not through an extension.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2008, 11:33:39 AM
For some reason I have a hard time imagining him wearing cowboy boots.
Does this help?
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QuoteGargano: Westbrook Wants $30 Million From Eagles
Last Edited: Monday, 21 Jul 2008, 8:11 AM EDT
Created: Monday, 21 Jul 2008, 8:11 AM EDT
Forget Lito Sheppard. Anthony Gargano says the Philadelphia Eagles and star running back Brian Westbrook are at least $15 million apart in contract talks.
Westbrook is expected to report to Eagles' training camp at Lehigh University this week, but he has a new agent and wants to be paid as much as Chargers' star LaDanien Tomlinson, said Gargano on an interview on "Good Day Philadelphia."
Westbrook is the Eagles' top player and arguably the best all-around running back in the NFL.
But he has a history of injuries, which led the Eagles to drag out Westbrook's most recent contract.
Gargano said the Eagles were offering $15 million in guaranteed money to Westbrook, while his agent was asking for $30 million.
Also, Gargano said that the Eagles were in the last-minute bidding fir defensive end Jason Taylor, who was traded to the taterskins on Sunday night.
The Dolphins reportedly wanted a second round and fifth round draft pick from the Eagles, who balked at the offer.
Taylor was send to Washington for a second round and fifth round draft pick from the taterskins.
Link (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=7025901&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.2.1)
if the eagles balked at the final offer, they weren't in the last minute bidding
All that means is that they called the Eagles trying to get them to beat the offer. Most teams will make a few calls before pulling the trigger on a trade.
As for Westbrook, I think my poll predicts the future. He'll get more like $20 million guaranteed. Mostly, he won't get the $30 million, because he can't even find an agent that will agree to try to get it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 21, 2008, 04:00:07 PM
All that means is that they called the Eagles trying to get them to beat the offer. Most teams will make a few calls before pulling the trigger on a trade.
especially teams in the division...dolphins definitely called all the skins nfc east rivals
The Dolphins could have asked for more probably. The Skins were in no bargaining position with Daniels and that other cat going down within minutes of each other.
you think they settled?...of course they asked for more...they def asked for a one from the skins
if lil danni would only offer a 2nd and a 6th then the next best offer around the league was probably just a 5th
I would have hard-balled them if I were Parcells.
Hold onto Taylor like gold until Danny is ready to come off of 2 2's or a 2 and a 3.
Which one of you guys caught what DGunn had to say about this on CSN?
I read on the EMB that he said the Eagles offered to shift money around from back to front and/or offered top 5 money but no more years (essentially a raise).
Whats the real truth to the report?
the eagles have to overpay...westbrook has been so greatly underpaid while the eagles have renogotiated in his face with people like reggie brown that its time to pay the reaper in regards to westbrook
this is the end result of years of jerking people...why the hell would 36 even consider meeting in the middle
because he's almost 30
and injured a lot
and wants to play
the Eagles have a fair amount of leverage to press for a less than 30M guarantee
age is irrelevant here because he wants to be paid not just for the future but for services already rendered
the injury thing is way overplayed...what has he missed like three games due to injury in the last three years?
i do agree on the leverage part...the eagles have the ultimate leverage in that hes under contract...that is until and if he gets to the point of a holdout...
then they have to decide whats more important paying their best player or winning games
this is also bigger than westbrook...this goes to the future of the eagles and their reputation in dealing with players...that rep is pretty much in the sewer right now and imo it would be worth overpaying for westbrook to start repairing some of that damage
age is relevant to the FO...giving Westbrook a pile of money won't make him 25 again
so are injuries, which don't typically decrease with age
team reputation is not important to them, obviously...they appear to take the attitude that the NFL is the only game in town and if you wanna play you'll take the deal they offer; it's not about winning games it's about making money, and there's plenty of talent around to ensure that without going crazy for an old, oft injured RB
just laying out their side...I don't see them giving Westbrook 30M, even with a holdout
Howard was harping on the fact that the Eagles offered him the maximum they could possibly offer allowed by the CBA. Obviously that's coming from Banner, but I almost believe it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 08:26:35 AM
age is irrelevant here because he wants to be paid not just for the future but for services already rendered
the more I think on it, the stupider this is
by this kind of reasoning, if a player had underperformed over the past several years, the team could argue that he owes them money for services not rendered, which is of course ludicrous. there is no way in hell anyone is going to pay you extra on top of the agreed amount for what you did yesterday, and to expect them to do that is ridiculous
Quote from: Diomedes on July 22, 2008, 08:38:10 AM
age is relevant to the FO...giving Westbrook a pile of money won't make him 25 again
so are injuries, which don't typically decrease with age
team reputation is not important to them, obviously...they appear to take the attitude that the NFL is the only game in town and if you wanna play you'll take the deal they offer; it's not about winning games it's about making money, and there's plenty of talent around to ensure that without going crazy for an old, oft injured RB
just laying out their side...I don't see them giving Westbrook 30M, even with a holdout
agreed...i know how they think....im pointing out what they should do in this case...the smart business move here is to overpay...if they can meet in the middle and make westbrook happy all the better
Quote from: SunMo on July 22, 2008, 08:53:51 AM
Howard was harping on the fact that the Eagles offered him the maximum they could possibly offer allowed by the CBA. Obviously that's coming from Banner, but I almost believe it.
if this is true then the media reports of 30 mil are just plain wrong...i just find it hard to belive that westbrook could be told that the most he can "legally" get is X and he still wants more than that...doesnt make sense
Quote from: Diomedes on July 22, 2008, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 08:26:35 AM
age is irrelevant here because he wants to be paid not just for the future but for services already rendered
the more I think on it, the stupider this is
by this kind of reasoning, if a player had underperformed over the past several years, the team could argue that he owes them money for services not rendered, which is of course ludicrous. there is no way in hell anyone is going to pay you extra on top of the agreed amount for what you did yesterday, and to expect them to do that is ridiculous
if a player under performs in the nfl he gets cut and gets no more money
and you couldnt be more wrong about teams paying for past performance...30+ year olds often get contracts that would belie their declining value due to age...but often they get that money because they outperformed their previous contract
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:06:59 AM
if this is true then the media reports of 30 mil are just plain wrong...i just find it hard to belive that westbrook could be told that the most he can "legally" get is X and he still wants more than that...doesnt make sense
My 'Athletes are dumber than a bag of mud' theory explains that situation nicely.
If you guys don't stop arguing about this, I'm going to post this photo every hour on the hour until you do.
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I wasn't even aware that anyone was arguing about anything, but the more fat dudes in flipflops you can post the better.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:06:59 AMthe smart business move here is to overpay...
well, that depends on the definition of business. if the goal is to make money rather than win games, then overpaying is the furthest thing from smart
you're effectively talking about creating good will by overpaying, which could only possibly result in positive returns if failure to create good will would drive away fans or other players.
this being the NFL, neither of those consequences are in play. fans might bitch but they'll still spend, and players might not like the Eagles as much as the Cowboys, but they don't have anywhere else to play and at the end of the day, the money is still a damn sight better than letting some other player take it
simply put, unless the Eagles want to win games before all else, overpaying is a bad business decision
For the last time I will not post photos of myself on this board.
Stalker.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 22, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:06:59 AM
if this is true then the media reports of 30 mil are just plain wrong...i just find it hard to belive that westbrook could be told that the most he can "legally" get is X and he still wants more than that...doesnt make sense
My 'Athletes are dumber than a bag of mud' theory explains that situation nicely.
people are dumb and you would be one of those if you believe this is happening...if you think westbrook is asking for to much thats one thing...if you think hes asking for more than he is allowed by the cba then ignorance rules your world...unless he hasnt been told this by any of his lawyers or agents...i suppose thats possible but highly unlikely
id be interested in seeing this clause or rule that caps the amount of money a player can make in a re do on his deal
Quote from: Diomedes on July 22, 2008, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:06:59 AMthe smart business move here is to overpay...
well, that depends on the definition of business. if the goal is to make money rather than win games, then overpaying is the furthest thing from smart
you're effectively talking about creating good will by overpaying, which could only possibly result in positive returns if failure to create good will would drive away fans or other players.
this being the NFL, neither of those consequences are in play. fans might bitch but they'll still spend, and players might not like the Eagles as much as the Cowboys, but they don't have anywhere else to play and at the end of the day, the money is still a damn sight better than letting some other player take it
simply put, unless the Eagles want to win games before all else, overpaying is a bad business decision
winning games = more money = smart business
one home playoff game would pay a good amount of westbrooks signing bonus
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 22, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:06:59 AM
if this is true then the media reports of 30 mil are just plain wrong...i just find it hard to belive that westbrook could be told that the most he can "legally" get is X and he still wants more than that...doesnt make sense
My 'Athletes are dumber than a bag of mud' theory explains that situation nicely.
people are dumb and you would be one of those if you believe this is happening...if you think westbrook is asking for to much thats one thing...if you think hes asking for more than he is allowed by the cba then ignorance rules your world...unless he hasnt been told this by any of his lawyers or agents...i suppose thats possible but highly unlikely
id be interested in seeing this clause or rule that caps the amount of money a player can make in a re do on his deal
Way to take my snarky sarcastic comment seriously.
I don't think the Eagles are willing to wager an extra five or ten million like that, it's just not the way they do business.
arguably one of/if not the best versatile running backs in the NFL should and can ask for whatever he wants. Thats why he switched agents because the other one he had was a Hoyda.
He knows he wont get that--but negotiations have to start somewhere--why not at its $30 million max unrealistic in the Eagles or fans eyes or not?
farg versatile
hes a top 10 ten nfl player period
and the most important player to his team in the league
by a lot
now that mcnabb is a shell of his former self...look at the eagles offense without westbrook...its frighteningly bad
People switch agents all the time because they're unrealistic. It happens every day in real estate.
I have a property that's worth $100,000. I want to sell it for $150,000 because that's what I want. Any decent agent will give me the facts and say there's no way I can get $150,000 so I'm not going to waste my time trying.
Fletcher Smith seems like that kind of agent, and honestly, I think that's why Westbrook hasn't found anyone to replace him yet because any reputable agent will tell him that $30M is a pipe dream (just as I suspect Smith did).
Whatever, though. Someone please stab me for participating in this circle jerk.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2008, 09:29:28 AM
farg versatile
hes a top 10 ten nfl player period
and the most important player to his team in the league
by a lot
now that mcnabb is a shell of his former self...look at the eagles offense without westbrook...its frighteningly bad
I thought he was in the top 5 as far as his current contract goes?
The Eagles should rip up his current deal, give him a new deal that pays him $40 million over 4 years with a club option for a 5th. Give him $25 million guaranteed and call it a day. This way he's 33 when his deal expires and everyone's happy.
how bout they just wait and see what Booker can do first--that will show Brian
Booker = Ryan Moats as far as negotiating goes.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 22, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
Booker = Ryan Moats as far as negotiating goes.
Yeah, but Moats is also back and looking forward to camp!
QuoteWESTBROOK GOES FRENCH
Posted by Mike Florio on July 22, 2008, 1:11 p.m.
Eagles running back Brian Westbrook, who recently fired agent Fletcher Smith, has hired a new agent.
The new agent is Todd France.
France's goal will be to help Westbrook get a new contract with the Eagles. France won't get paid a dime until the new deal is done.
Smith represents Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, and Smith presumably had been trying to get Westbrook's contract renegotiated.
Westbrook has hinted at a training-camp holdout, but it is regarded as unlikely that he'd stay away.
Ha. Same guy that was briefly a kicker for the team?
I've been thinking it over and I think I'm going to hire Roger Ruzek to be my agent. Tony Franklin kept coming to meetings unprepared.
Bigtime NFL agent Todd France is not the same as kicker Todd France. I'm assuming that Westbrook hired the same France who engineered Ronnie Brown's rookie holdout.
Michael Westbrook hired that kicker to be his agent?
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 22, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
Bigtime NFL agent Todd France is not the same as kicker Todd France. I'm assuming that Westbrook hired the same France who engineered Ronnie Brown's rookie holdout.
That's a pretty neat name for two guys involved in pro football to have. Neat-O even.
France wasn't all that bad when he was here. Good to see he landed on his...feet.
QuoteWESTBROOK WANTS $10 MILLION PER YEAR
Posted by Mike Florio on July 22, 2008, 10:45 p.m. EDT
Question. Which NFL team has a 29-year-old running back who thinks he's worth $10 million per year? (Sorry. Watching The Office reruns tonight.)
Answer. The Eagles.
Per a league source, Brian Westbrook is looking for a new deal that pays him $30 million over the first three years.
We're told that Westbrook picked his new agent, Todd France, based on the fact that France was the only one who would guarantee that he could get Westbrook a certain level of compensation.
Per a league source, multiple other agents withdrew from the running once it became clear that Westbrook was treating the process like a hand of high-stakes Texas Hold 'Em.
It's unknown whether France committed to getting $30 million over three. All we know is that France's bid was the highest.
Pay the man
I'm sorry, that's too much dough for even Westbrook. He's almost 30 for Christ's sake. That needs to be his over, and he needs to settle into reality.
How does an agent guarantee a certain amount of revenue, and then bid it? Does he owe Westy money if he is unable to close the deal? Does Westbrook have to hold out, or is there a time frame like 1st week of TC?
This is stupid, and any athlete that buys an agents guarantee is just plain dumb. He's willing to risk the payday for some small pittance if the agent can't get it signed (assuming that's how this guarantee works anyway).
If it's true that the Eagles offered an extra $15M guaranteed money, and Westbrook turned that down, fired his agent to get more, and is expecting $30M, then a.) he's badly mistaken; that will never happen and b.) this farging sucks for fans.
It is guaranteed that they either cannot agree on a deal or that they do and then he's severely injured not long after. Last season will go down as his best in an Eagles uniform. Book it.
If he plays this year, it means he got paid, right? And that would be his last real payday, right? Since when has an RB improved upon, or even maintained, his all-pro performance after the last big payday?
I tend to agree...we've probably seen the best of Westbrook, if not the last.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 23, 2008, 07:23:53 AM
If it's true that the Eagles offered an extra $15M guaranteed money, and Westbrook turned that down, fired his agent to get more, and is expecting $30M, then a.) he's badly mistaken; that will never happen and b.) this farging sucks for fans.
friggin luis castillo just got 19 mil over the first two years of his deal...im not saying they should offer westbrook 30 but its certainly not outrageous for three years when he still will only be 32
$30 million over three years, with roughly half guaranteed? You find a way to do it. $30 million GUARANTEED over three years is a much more dangerous proposition.
why is it "dangerous"...i assume you think westbrook will all of a sudden be worthless sometime in the next two years...so lets just say youre right and both his legs fall off after next season...
what would happen to the franchise?
They'd suck?
thats it?
give him the money then
They'd suck, and they'd charge $10 more for every ticket for the privilege to watch them suck?
I mean, why is it that almost every other day another player in the league on a different team gets signed to an extension (well-deserving or not)....and the Birds have such a hard time doing business with star players?
No chance in hell, as a free agent player.....I would ever want to come work for the Eagles after the antics they put forward every single year. To me, this Westbrook saga adds credence to the fact they are in rebuilding mode
its makes me so mad watching different sportscasts and websites all leading with "another" unhappy eagle...sportscenters big tease the other nite is "guess which eagle is upset with the team this time"
players and agents definitely see this stuff
meanwhile luis castillo is getting 19 mil over his first two years from san diego of all teams
lol, westbrook should get reupped, but he's being ridiciulous.
I also heard that Luis Castillo is getting $19 million over the first two years of his deal from somewhere. Not sure how relevant that is, but it should finally be mentioned.
how is it ridiculous for him to ask for 30 over three when luis castillo is getting 20 over two
the problem here is the eagles ignored westbrook for the last few years when they could have reupped him for less and avoided paying big bucks after the age of 30 like they hate so much...instead of rewarding their best player they reupped guys like todd herremans and reggie brown and mike patterson
westbrook didnt forget this shtein...so hes going for it all now...payback is a mother farger...who knows if hell get it...i suspect they will meet in the middle somewhere but i definitely dont think hes being ridiculous going for it
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2008, 09:04:11 AM
...payback is a mother farger...who knows if hell get it...
We all know he won't get it.
if the pft report is real, and he had other agents dropping out of the running because they didnt think he'd get it, yeah, not exactly thinking clearly. I love westbrook, but the reality is he's 29 years old, has had a major knee injury in college, and multiple other injuries since coming into the league. The decline of RB's at the age of 30 is very highly documented. He needs to get "Caked" off with a bonus, but he's gotta realize he's already being paid as a top 5 rb.
Comparing a 25 year-old defensive tackle's deal to an almost 30 year-old running back's potential deal is always a good idea.
westbrook will be better and infintely more valuable in the next two years than luis castillo and thats all that matters....yous act like westbrook is looking to get paid till hes 38...he wont be in his thirtys until after NEXT season starts
Your hatred of the front office jades everything you see. He should be given some bonus money, but 30mill is insane
why is 30 million insane, if you agree he should be paid, why does the amount matter? they are a shteinload under the cap, spend the farging money
you just referenced pft as a valid source of information and have the gall to say my bias jades me?...does it jade me when i say lito shouldnt get a penny more from the front office right now?...or does my hatred of the front office only count in certain situations
nothing ive said is untrue and it all makes sense...you just dont understand numbers in the nfl...im not even saying he should get 30...ive never said that...but going for it is not even close to insane...take a look around the nfl and look at the numbers...when the dolalrs other players are getting change then perhaps you can say its crazy for one of the best players in the nfl to get 30 million guaranteed over three years but right now its just not
if westbrook does nothing with his deal for the next three years he will make upwards of 15 mil...so if they tear that up and give him 30 hes getting only 15 more than his current deals asks for...a five million dollar raise is not insane for a player of his caliber
The Eagles should just give every player what he asks for and be done with it.
Especially Scott Young.
Does anyone have an update on Luis Castillo's contract situation?
I love how everyone ignores the fact that he's already a top 5 paid RB in the league. I think thats about right when you have guys like LT, Peterson, LJ, ahead of him. The NFL bothers the shtein out of me that every player thinks if they have a good year, they deserve a new contract. I know shtein isnt guaranteed, but the bonus is.
it should bother you if every player in the league does that..it shouldnt be insane to you for the most valuable player in the league to want big money
duece mccalister got 13 mil in guarantes four years ago
edgerrin james made 25 mil over the first three years of his deal from the god damn cardinals of all teams
again im not saying they should automatically give him 30...but depending on how ugly it gets westbrook is one player with which you can get close to the 30 or give him the 30 and it not look like youre caving in or overpaying...hes worth it in so many ways
btw where are the numbers that westbrook is a top 5 paid nfl rb...im guessing you mean just in base salary (ie not guaranteed)
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2008, 09:39:49 AM
it should bother you if every player in the league does that..it shouldnt be insane to you for the most valuable player in the league to want big money
duece mccalister got 13 mil in guarantes four years ago
edgerrin james made 25 mil over the first three years of his deal from the god damn cardinals of all teams
again im not saying they should automatically give him 30...but depending on how ugly it gets westbrook is one player with which you can get close to the 30 or give him the 30 and it not look like youre caving in or overpaying...hes worth it in so many ways
btw where are the numbers that westbrook is a top 5 paid nfl rb...im guessing you mean just in base salary (ie not guaranteed)
yeah, base including previous Bonus. I know what your saying, and his agent really F'd up his previous contract from the big payday standpoint. I've been watching Westbrook from college when he would come down to UD and put up 300yrds a game easy, the guy is amazing, im just thinking his body is going to decline rapidly after 31, if they get all the bonus up front fine.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 23, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
I love how everyone ignores the fact that he's already a top 5 paid RB in the league. I think thats about right when you have guys like LT, Peterson, LJ, ahead of him. The NFL bothers the shtein out of me that every player thinks if they have a good year, they deserve a new contract. I know shtein isnt guaranteed, but the bonus is.
So if you out-perform all your peers in your company by very huge margin, and you made your company twice the amount of dollars the previous year, you dont deserve a big-time raise in salary? There should not be a double-standard here
If the NFL is a business..treat it like one
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 23, 2008, 09:42:40 AM
yeah, base including previous Bonus. I know what your saying, and his agent really F'd up his previous contract from the big payday standpoint. I've been watching Westbrook from college when he would come down to UD and put up 300yrds a game easy, the guy is amazing, im just thinking his body is going to decline rapidly after 31, if they get all the bonus up front fine.
but he will will turn 31 during the season of the last year of this deal...i could see the age argument if he was asking for five years...this contract will END when hes 32 years and three months old...and like i said to ff even if hes done after next season youre on the hook for 5-10 million (depending on how they prorate the money)...i mean hell jevon kearse is on the books for 4 mil this year
I love when people say "just tear up the current contract and give the man a new one"
I am pretty sure you can not do that. I think there are rules surround how much money you can give when renegotiating a contract.
Did anyone else laugh at the Deuce McCallister & Edge references? Both players have sucked ass since they got paid off, right?
Quote from: phieagles91 on July 23, 2008, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 23, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
I love how everyone ignores the fact that he's already a top 5 paid RB in the league. I think thats about right when you have guys like LT, Peterson, LJ, ahead of him. The NFL bothers the shtein out of me that every player thinks if they have a good year, they deserve a new contract. I know shtein isnt guaranteed, but the bonus is.
So if you out-perform all your peers in your company by very huge margin, and you made your company twice the amount of dollars the previous year, you dont deserve a big-time raise in salary? There should not be a double-standard here
If the NFL is a business..treat it like one
do not try to compare the NFL to the corporate world dingus
I'm just happy that IGY and reese are finally agreeing about something. It was sort of awkward around here for a while...
Quote from: Rome on July 23, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
Did anyone else laugh at the Deuce McCallister & Edge references? Both players have sucked ass since they got paid off, right?
the point isnt whether they have justified their deals or not...they are examples of where the money is at in the nfl right now and that 30 mil in 2008 for player of westbrooks caliber is not ludicrous as so many people would like to believe
i cant get over how so many people are worried about someone elses money...if lurie doesnt pay westbrook is the money going to you?
Quote from: rjs246 on July 23, 2008, 09:52:46 AM
I'm just happy that IGY and reese are finally agreeing about something. It was sort of awkward around here for a while...
this is indeed worrisome and is making me seriously reconsider my position
Luis Castillo got caked off. Does anyone know how much his deal is worth? Hopefully, he doesn't have a lingering thigh injury.
I don't mean to support vigy, but who in hell is Luis Castillo?
haha
Quote from: Diomedes on July 23, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
I don't mean to support vigy
use your agressive feelings boy....let the hate flow thru you
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2008, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 23, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
Did anyone else laugh at the Deuce McCallister & Edge references? Both players have sucked ass since they got paid off, right?
the point isnt whether they have justified their deals or not...they are examples of where the money is at in the nfl right now and that 30 mil in 2008 for player of westbrooks caliber is not ludicrous as so many people would like to believe
No.
The point is both players hit the dirt after signing the sort of mega-deals you're suggesting the Eagles give Westbrook.
And 30 million dollars for WESTBROOK is absurd considering his injury history and age. It seems to me that you're taking the contrarian view as usual and not actually thinking about the potential future consequences of such a deal. You have that luxury, but the Eagles clearly do not. If they did - if this was MLB and the Eagles were the Yankees, then it wouldn't even be a question.
explain to me the future "conseqences" in paying him 30 mil as oposed to 20-25 mil for the net three years
i guess no one wants to remember that Westbrook spent the first 2-3 years playing as a 3rd down back and return guy. he doesn't have the miles on his body that a normal back does at this age. the career path to follow is Tiki Barber
Quote from: SunMo on July 23, 2008, 10:33:48 AM
i guess no one wants to remember that Westbrook spent the first 2-3 years playing as a 3rd down back and return guy. he doesn't have the miles on his body that a normal back does at this age. the career path to follow is Tiki Barber
excellent point...not to mention the guy to my knowledge has never taken a hard hit in his career...
i still go back to the fact that its just a three year deal for a guy in his late 20's...its hardly the definition of a high risk
Unicorns & rainbows!
By the way, the report is $30M guaranteed, not $30M total. I suspect he's looking for $50-60M with $30M guaranteed.
The Eagles know what he's worth, so stop acting like it's the front office acting irresponsibly or "cheap" here. They're willing to pay him a ton of money, it's just that his (and yours, evidently) definition of a ton varies widely with theirs.
until i hear from someone else besides pro football talk or howard eskin that hes asking for 30 mil guaranteed ill remain suspect
and non guaranteed money in the nfl is meaningless
my only point in all of this is not that westbrook should get 30 mil its that it isnt crazy to ask for it...it drives me insane that people are just out of their minds at that amount and are ripping westbrook for asking for it
if i had it my way he would play for free...but theres a much bigger picture here and for the betterment of the team (which is all i care about) its best that they get it done to the happiness of westbrook
Sal Palintonio said he was asking for 30M yesterday on Missinelli's show.
fwiw...Sal Pal said that the birds were going to give him 10-15M, but then instead of signing the re-done deal, he fired his agent. He also mentioned that there is a rule limiting how much the birds can give him via a restructed contract.
if thats true then give him the max you can and call it day
that jives with what Howard was saying earlier. he just thinks that Westbrook doesn't understand the situation.
I dont think westbrook is the smartest person, but a hell of an athlete
Im guessing it might have something to do with this--
Question: Now that 2009 is the last capped year, are there rules that impact player contract negotiations and a club's salary cap planning?
Answer: Yes. Here are the key differences:
* After the last game of the 2008 regular season, signing bonus proration is reduced from a maximum of six years to a maximum of five years.
* In 2009, there is no June 1 rule for Signing Bonus acceleration. If a player is removed from the roster or his contract is assigned via waivers or trade at any time in the 2009 League Year, any unamortized signing bonus will be immediately included in Team Salary.
* There is no year-end netting of incentives in 2009. Not-likely-to-be-earned incentives are charged to team salary immediately when earned, and likely-to-be-earned incentives are deducted when they are no longer possible to earn.
* Guaranteed salary from 2010 and beyond is reallocated to capped years unless the entire 2009 salary is guaranteed.
* 50% of guaranteed salary in any League Year beyond 2012 is reallocated to capped years.
* The 30% increase rule restricts salary increases from 2009 to 2010. For example: a player with a $500,000 Salary in 2009 would be limited to annual salary increases of $150,000 ($500,000 x 30%) beginning in 2010.
* A team can include only three veteran team incentives in a player contract covering 2009 and beyond. These incentives must also be coupled with a playtime requirement. Previously, clubs were limited to eight team incentives and no playtime requirement.
Thanks, reese. All of that information is pertinent to this situation and clears it up in a big way.
Quote from: SunMo on July 23, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
that jives with what Howard was saying earlier. he just thinks that Westbrook doesn't understand the situation.
do you believe that....theres no possible way westbrook if told properly believes he can get more than the actual cba allows
my guess is that fletcher smith misunderstood the cba rules and told westbrook we will go and get 30 million...later on it was brought to their attention that the most he could actually get in a re do would be "X"...at that point westbrook got pissed at fletcher and fired him for imcompetancy
i guess that's possible. i think it's just as possible that the Eagles came to them for a restructure offering XX and Westbrook told Fletcher that he wanted 30 million. Fletcher may have told him he can't get that and Westbrook told him he'll find somebody who can.
Fletcher Smith misunderstood the CBA and an athlete didn't.
Sure. That could happen. Toats...
Quote from: Rome on July 23, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
Fletcher Smith misunderstood the CBA and an athlete didn't.
Sure. That could happen. Toats...
agents have been fired and disbarred for incompetancy
very few if any players fully understand the cba...especially with how it can change yearly...thats why they pay their agent and lawyer so much money...
here you go...
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:iyY34Z4_6zkJ:www.delawareonline.com/blogs/2008_01_01_archive.html+brian+westbrook+i+let+my+agent+handle+that&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us
Quote
Brian Westbrook's contract is still an issue. Westbrook, currently in Glendale, Ariz., fulfilling sponsorship duties and making the rounds on "Radio Row," told the Philadelphia Inquirer that his contract is "something I really haven't talked much publicly about, and I'm going to continue that. I think my agent [Fletcher Smith] is going to handle all those things for me and, hopefully, things will work out."
Quote from: SunMo on July 23, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
Fletcher may have told him he can't get that and Westbrook told him he'll find somebody who can.
that doesnt make any sense...even the most stubborn person in the world if told they literally and legally cant get that amount would fire someone to hire another person that cant get that amount
i cant believe anyone would even entertain this as a possibility...i dont know where the proof of this is...but i suspect its propaganda being put out by the eagles and/or eskin
could fletcher smith have misunderstood the amount he could get....yes
could fletcher smith has recommended to westbrook to take a deal that was less than brian wanted...absolutely
could westbrook have perceived smith to be to close to the eagles front office because of his connection to mcnabb...sure
all those are legit possibilities as to why he would have been fired...but not that other garbage that is being thrown around
Fletcher Smith has been an NFL agent for how many years now? He's one of the best, so stop it.
Westbrook is acting like a lunatic and Smith told him so. The result? Pink slip.
I didn't thoroughly read through the the entire CBA (http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf) but I don't see any restrictions under Article XIV titled 'NFL Player Contracts' that would prohibit the Eagles from extending his current deal and adding more money in. I think there might also be a loophole that might work for both teams and that would be an incentive laden deal.
Do you nerds actually try to read and absorb all of that shtein? Christ. Nerds.
Reading is fundamental
NERDS
Nerds are neat!
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Quote from: rjs246 on July 23, 2008, 03:54:00 PM
NERDS
Quote from: rjs246 on July 20, 2008, 08:56:19 PM
I'm predicting that it will be less than 2 weeks before I see it again. Now that I know what happens I'd like to be able to focus on the details. Especially the Joker's speeches.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 23, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
I am slowly slogging through The Hamlet by Faulkner.
I never read Faulkner and always assumed that he would be a typical turn of the century writer who was overly wordy, overly serious and unreadable.
I was right about him being overly wordy, which is why it's taking so long to read, but was very wrong on the other two points. I'm actually enjoying the book quite a bit and will almost certainly check out The Sound and the Fury and As I Lay Dying at some point...
I'm certainly not suggesting that I'm not a nerd. I am a nerd and farging proud of it. But enjoying the details of a movie or book is a little different in my mind than pouring over the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement to find rules and regulations and loopholes that will or will not allow a team to pay a player tens of millions of dollars. The Dark Knight will take me 3 hours to rewatch. I could read the CBA for a week and still not find the minutae I was looking for.
So yes I am a nerd. But I am always impressed when I find people who are even nerdier than I am and feel the urge to mock them accordingly.
CBA-readers are supernerds. Bow down before them.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 23, 2008, 03:08:43 PM
I didn't thoroughly read through the the entire CBA (http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf)[/url]
By the way, you guys are going to wear your fingers down to nubs and break the search functionality of the site if you continue posting proof that I'm a nerd. The bucket of evidence is bottomless.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 23, 2008, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 23, 2008, 03:08:43 PM
I didn't thoroughly read through the the entire CBA (http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf)
Lies. Nerd.
At least you still have your winning personality and looks.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 23, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
I'm certainly not suggesting that I'm not a nerd. I am a nerd and farging proud of it.
Neither am I and I doubt you'd have trouble finding another post to back that up. I mean, lets face it, there isn't a person on this board that isn't a nerd in one form or another.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 23, 2008, 04:20:58 PM
At least you still have your winning personality and looks.
I didn't know "AIDS Patient" was considered a look.
Chicks love skinny sports fans who drag them to summer blockbusters at 9am and read too many books. I'm living the dream.
I posted it in the Lito and Andrews topic, but Westbrook has officially arrived.
nice
Quote from: King Cole on July 24, 2008, 06:05:43 PM
I posted it in the Lito and Andrews topic, but Westbrook has officially arrived.
I was reading the movies thread, and you didn't post it there..chop chop
I put it in my signature and under the avatar, so now everything thread I post in will have the update.
Bowen:
Quote"There definitely was" a possibility he would not show up for Eagles training camp tonight, Brian Westbrook said as he prepared to check into the Lehigh dorms, a little before 6 p.m "I wanted to give my agent -- of course, I hired a new agent -- an opportunity to talk with (Eagles president) Joe (Banner), see if we can get something done."
Westbrook said his new agent, Todd France, didn't talk to Banner today but spoke with VP of personnel Howie Roseman "a couple of times."
Westbrook wouldn't characterize the talks.
"They're just talking now. Hopefully, they'll get it done soon," he said. Westbrook said he is not asking for $30 million guaranteed, though he threw out that figure in a recent Inquirer interview, and other agents involved in the process indicated that was the general level discussed.
"I've heard so many things," Westbrook said. "I've interviewed a few agents. I think the agents I did not hire have put out a lot of vicious rumors; they're trying to ruin my credibility."
Westbrook said he used $30 million to make a point that previous deals establish a benchmark, such as the $21 million guarantee LaDainian Tomlinson got four years ago, and that years later, those benchmarks generally are eclipsed.
"I didn't mention that as a figure I was necessarily looking for," he said. "It was as an example ... an extreme example, of how contracts work over the years."
Westbrook said France "is aggressive, he's a guy who's going to work hard for you."
Asked if coming to camp means he is committed to staying in camp, Westbrook said: "I'm here now, hopefully for good. It remains to be seen; I can't foresee the future. Hopefully, things go well and we get a deal done."
Asked if he was in camp happily or reluctantly, Westbrook said: "I'm here. Whether I'm reluctant, I'm still here. I'm coming here to be here with my teammates, to compete for a job, and do everything I can to help this team win."
i cringe everytime i see howie roseman "VP of player personnel"....why is a players agent speaking to a PP guy...
do the eagles care more about the quality of players they aquire or what they pay those players....because there seems to be a fine line grey area btwn the two things...i would be more comfortable is the PP dept was filled with good football people and the budget office was filled with good financial people
The only interesting part of that article was Westbrook talking about "competing for a job."
He must be scurred of Ryan Moats.
It's funny how much Roseman/Banner irk igy.
i couldnt pick roseman out of lineup with the supremes...i dont have a feeling either way about him...my problem is with his position within the franchise...again how the farg did an accountant become a scout/PP VP
banner on the other hand might be the single worst philly sports figure of all time and all around one of the biggest aholes to ever live
Roseman got it because he's Joe's boy. Nothing more, nothing less.
still no deal, I think this one could actually become a problem if they dont get something done soon.
Quote from: MURP on July 30, 2008, 12:07:10 AM
still no deal, I think this one could actually become a problem if they dont get something done soon.
i agree, Westbrook is acting in good faith now, but with the cap the way it is, he's gotta realize he missed his big payday last time around
I can't believe this. Without him, this team crashes and burns. He's a class act and a top five player. Why the hell can't they get this done?
Quote from: shorebird on July 30, 2008, 08:44:17 AM
Why the hell can't they get this done?
"muwaha-ha-ha-ha-hahhhhh"
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01wGcbV5MLbUx/340x.jpg)
Calm down, girls. The deal will get done. It's July 30. Something tells me we're going to hear about a news conference shortly before the first preseason game.
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2008, 08:50:37 AM
Calm down, girls. The deal will get done. It's July 30. Something tells me we're going to hear about a news conference shortly before the first preseason game.
They'd better damn well get it done. Then we can go on to other things, like what the hell is wrong with Shawn Andrews.
I've already lost interest in this.
In what?
Damn! I was hoping to be the cool hipster that loses interest before everyone else.
wait westbrook wants a new contract when did this happen
As expected, a contract will be in place very soon
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-08072008-1573730.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-08072008-1573730.html)
This is a direct affront to Lito Sheppard!
At least Jeff is smart enough not to say Westbrook needs to get his YPC down
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2008, 08:50:37 AM
Calm down, girls. The deal will get done. It's July 30. Something tells me we're going to hear about a news conference shortly before the first regular season game.
lurie couldnt even make up a stat that westbrook wasnt good at
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2008, 08:50:37 AM
Calm down, girls. The deal will get done. It's July 30. Something tells me we're going to hear about a news conference shortly before the first preseason game.
Quote from: Rome on August 07, 2008, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2008, 08:50:37 AM
Calm down, girls. The deal will get done. It's July 30. Something tells me we're going to hear about a news conference shortly before the first regular season game.
Way to point out that you were about a month off.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2008, 10:07:44 AM
lurie couldnt even make up a stat that westbrook wasnt good at
His passing yard per game isn't really where it could be.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 07, 2008, 10:11:19 AM
Way to point out that you were about a month off.
Um, it could still happen by tomorrow night, dingus.
Quote from: Rome on August 07, 2008, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 07, 2008, 10:11:19 AM
Way to point out that you were about a month off.
Um, it could still happen by tomorrow night, dingus.
Um, which would make you about a month off, dingus.
rome is not smart
Read the original post, asshats.
Quote from: Rome on August 07, 2008, 02:32:28 PM
Read the original post, asshats.
Maybe you should do that.
This might be the greatest conversation ever.
Initial post says preseason.
I edited the quote this morning as a joke and made it regular season.
tricky
God God!
how are there three people less smart than rome in the world
Souderton, Atlanta & North Carolina.
The end.
lolol
well, in my defense, i never read rome's posts...so i took the quoted post as the original.
in the end, i win.
We all win when you post, Mosy.
:heart:
i swear to god if you say mosy one more time its on
I keep expecting this conversation to come to an end and it just won't.
so...
Rome is still dumb
I rule
RJS is annoyed
IGY is ready to end Rome
FF is .....right
Westbrook is injury prone.
you watch your goddamn mouth
Stop reading my posts, Mosy.
i have to now, i can't risk that you'll change it later
Quote from: SunMo on August 07, 2008, 02:56:18 PM
i have to now, i can't risk that you'll change it later
HA.
Douche'
QuoteWESTBROOK DEAL DONE?
Posted by Mike Florio on August 7, 2008, 2:59 p.m.
We're hearing rumblings out of Philly that the team has struck a deal with running back Brian Westbrook. Specifically, we're told that Westbrook is telling others that an agreement has been reached.
Westbrook has been angling for a new contract, and contemplated staging a holdout. Not long ago, he fired agent Fletcher Smith and hired Todd France.
The terms, which aren't yet known, will go a long way toward proving whether France was successful.
If it's true that Westbrook wanted $30 million over the next three years, ago guess is that France wasn't.
Sweet.
So, Rome edited the original post to be LESS correct than reality? That makes him even more of a dumbass than if it were the other way around.
I think the real winner here is the city of Portland. Every time I come here, it gets harder to leave. I think you put something in the water!
Yes. I'm dumb for making fun of myself.
You're dumb for not realizing that the internet is serious business.
Says who?
I'll get myself banned again when I'm good and ready. Don't rush me.
thats what she said.
Christ you're dumb.
Why don't you just farg and get it over with?
I farg all the time. Maybe next time I'll let mpgraw watch.
Somebody has to tell you you're doing well, I guess.
QuoteWestbrook deal seems imminent
Negotiations continued late into the night, aimed at wrapping up the details on a new contract for Brian Westbrook, sources close to the situation indicated. The Eagles are expected to announce the deal Friday, before their preseason opener in Pittsburgh.
The team's negotiators, Eagles president Joe Banner and player personnel vice president Howie Roseman, and Westbrook's agent, Todd France, faced some formidable hurdles in reworking Westbrook's current contract, which has three more years to run. But there were strong indications Thursday night that those hurdles were in the process of being surmounted.
The Eagles generally are tough negotiators, particularly when a contract has years to run, but no less an authority than owner Jeffrey Lurie publicly acknowledged this week that Westbrook has outperformed his five-year, $25 million deal. Last season, Westbrook was an All-Pro running back, and set a franchise record with 2,104 yards from scrimmage. That figure led the NFL, as did Westbrook's 104 first downs.
Westbrook said when he reported to training camp that he wanted the deal done quickly, and he didn't rule out not playing in the preseason opener if that didn't happen. On Wednesday, Westbrook said he would play, but he also dropped several hints that a deal was close, and again emphasized that he wanted to see it happen very quickly. If the pact is announced today, obviously, it will have been achieved before he had to risk injury playing in a game under his old deal.
It wasn't clear last night how much new money Westbrook will get, but because a roster bonus was converted to a signing bonus earlier this year, another revision can't increase his cap number for the remaining three years of the deal. That number is about $15 million.
Because ownsership has opted out of the collective bargaining agreement, uncapped years are coming up, which invokes the "Deion rule." Basically, there can't be a huge disparity between Westbrook's signing bonus and his base salary. Also ticklish was the "30 percent rule," which in this case meant 2010 can't be more than a 30 percent increase over what Westbrook made in 2009, not including signing bonus.
Westbrook has maintained there are ways to make him one of the league's highest-paid running backs within those restrictions, though neither he nor France has offered details.
The Eagles are believed to be eager to show fans and other players that they reward extraordinary achievement – which also was part of their motivation the last time they announed a contract agreement with Westbrook, on the November 2005 weekend that they parted ways with wideout Terrell Owens.
Also, guard Shawn Andrews did not respond to messages regarding his situation. Andrews was scheduled to meet with his doctor Thursday in Arkansas.
Posted by Les Bowen @ 11:41 PM
Andrews is really pissing me off.
im sure hes really upset about that
is this all you do here.
pretty much. what else is there to do?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 08, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
Andrews is really pissing me off.
kill yourself
youll feel much better
and so will we
ike reese reporting that the contract was agreed to by west and the birds then sent to the league who promptly deemed it unacceptable and sent it back to be reworked
I knew trying to trade Westbrook for Favre wasn't going to work now that he's with the Jets.
Banner, cap wizard, yes, contract wizard.....no.
unacceptable how? wtf?
probably didn't conform to the CBA
isn't there a way they can put cupcake incentives in his deal? like a $10 million incentive if he exceeds 1 carry this season?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 02:00:59 PM
unacceptable how? wtf?
Just going off what I read they converted some of his salary to a roster bonus or something and that somehow screwed things up with the CBA
yeah ike confirmed that fletcher smith farged the conversion up and went bye bye because of it
he also was saying that he signed three contracts in his career and the only words he ever saw in any of them was "sign here"
ike is actually a damn good sports radio guy...hes really has come into his own since getting his own show
no digits yet but howard reporting that westbrook is done
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
no digits yet but howard reporting that westbrook is done
Cha. Ching.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
no digits yet but howard reporting that westbrook is done
NFL Sirius just said it too. Good shtein
PE.com also (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15817)
Giving westbrook a new contract was a mistake, Lito is gonna be pissed.
are you being serious
Length and dollars?
Quote from: Wingspan on August 08, 2008, 06:27:46 PM
Giving westbrook a new contract was a mistake, Lito is gonna be pissed.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 08, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
are you being serious
Way to go for that worm, fishy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 08, 2008, 07:17:32 PM
Length and dollars?
QuoteESPN.com's John Clayton reported Westbrook's revised contract will pay him at least $21 million over the next three years, according to a source.
THAT'S ONLY $2m more than Luis Castillo got over two years!
well i dont know but in my defense he thinks brad lidge sucks so really this one was up in the air
Stunned that management hooked him up, very happy ;D,
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3526070 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3526070)
and so sad for lito, oh well.
QuoteEagles president Joe Banner refused to comment on the $13 million in guaranteed money over the first three years of the deal. He did say the contract is the most complex he has ever seen.
"It's a complicated deal," Banner said. "There is extension years, potential voided years and escalators. Everything I've ever seen in a contract is in this deal.
"We're talking about a Hall of Fame-caliber player. This is a premier guy, a leader, a player. He just wants to win so badly, and that is what drove him."
The contract is 52-pages long....
farg
westbrook spent most of the 1st quarter of last night's game back in the locker room reading over his new contract.
that's dandy!
I hope they sit him for the rest of the preseason games, absolutely zero reason to play him. From what I saw up at Lehigh he's already in midseason form.
yep...no reason he should take one snap in the preseason. just found it funny that he was in the back checking on his cake.
shows you how meaningless preseason games are.
I thought it was semi funny when Herremans and Jackson (I think) rubbed grass on his uniform, that is, until the announcers went on and on about it showing the relationship between the RB and his O-line.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 09, 2008, 08:52:39 AM
I thought it was semi funny when Herremans and Jackson (I think) rubbed grass on his uniform, that is, until the announcers went on and on about it showing the relationship between the RB and his O-line.
CHEMISTRY!
Didn't know where else to put this and didn't want to start another thread:
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles' Running Back Brian Westbrook
Joins 950 ESPN
Philadelphia, PA (August 26, 2008): 950 ESPN announces Philadelphia Eagles Running Back Brian Westbrook will host the Brian Westbrook Show from The Stone Grille every Monday night during the NFL season.
The 2-time Pro Bowler will host a one hour show in front of a live audience each week of the NFL season. This is a chance for Eagles fans to hear the game stories right from the Bird's starting Running Back. The show will take place every Monday night (starting on September 8th) from 7 to 8 p.m. at The Stone Grille located on Blackwood-Clementon Road in Clementon , NJ .
A dynamic player in both the run and pass game, Westbrook has led the Eagles in rushing and receiving in each of the past three seasons, and ranks second in the NFL with 6,768 total yards from scrimmage since becoming a full-time starter in 2004.
"I am unbelievably excited to have one of the most prolific NFL players as a host on our station," said 950 ESPN Program Director Matt Nahigian. "Brian has absolutely proven himself to be one of the best running backs in the league as well as a leader on and off the field for the Eagles. 950 ESPN will be the only station to hear Brian throughout the week."
So, I guess Buckhalter starts when the Eagles are on MNF?
Weird, indeed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 26, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
So, I guess Buckhalter starts when the Eagles are on MNF?
Weird, indeed.
HA! Doubt it. Still, it will be cool to listen to his show right before MNF. At least for people in the area. I don't think I can get that station on the Delmarva Peninsula. Maybe I can stream it on my PC.
Players who've had Monday radio shows have never been on them when they're playing on Monday nights, but the show goes on with the two dingleberry co-hosts.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 27, 2008, 12:47:20 AM
Players who've had Monday radio shows have never been on them when they're playing on Monday nights, but the show goes on with the two dingleberry co-hosts.
Wow. Of all people...
I was expecting a guppy and caught a whale.
But seriously though, he probably won't make a radio appearance on the show for any Monday night that he's playing.
Since he'll be tearing his ACL on the opening drive, safe to say we'll be hearing him every monday.
I can't wait to hear it the first night.
"AAAAAAAAAagggggghhh! Oh sweet Jesus, make the pain stop! Why didn't I take the vicodin?!"
Don't really know where to put this, but SI's NFL Preview magazine has Philly going 12-4 and heading to the SB. :-D
I'm sure that makes Westbrook's former agent very happy.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 27, 2008, 12:22:23 PM
I'm sure that makes Westbrook's former agent very happy.
Figured it would.
Actually thought this was the Training Camp thread. :sly
Perhaps I shouldn't have stayed up and watched the whole Phillies game.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 27, 2008, 12:20:32 PM
Don't really know where to put this, but SI's NFL Preview magazine has Philly going 12-4 and heading to the SB. :-D
That is hilarious because the much more plausible scenario is the one where PhillyGirl, PhillyPhreak54, and I have the Eagles going 16-0 and winning the Super Bowl.
Yeah!
The first Westbrook thread I found, so I'll dump this hilariously sad post in here. This guy actually SUED the Eagles, EYP and Westbrook...unreal. I would beat the shtein out of this punk. Probably some 40yr old fargface who pushes kids outta the way at Lehigh.
http://www.signingshotline.com/UBB/UBBcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000767;p=1
Quotehello everyone, i'm new to this forum and would like for your advice and help. I'm scheduled this Monday for a civil suit that i had filed against an organization who sponsored an autograph event which required the consumer to pay to meet and to have there items signed. my problem is that this player deviated by altering his signature. there were no restrictions place on the player. my complaint is that i paid the same amount of money like everyone elese. how can the player be selective on who gets a full signature versus a short version of his signature. does the value depreciate. if so is there a book that i can but that states this fact. need help fast.
Quoteagain thank you for all your reply. i lost my civil suit against the philadelphia eagles organization, philadelphia eagles youth partnership, and lastly mr. brian westbrook. the judge ruled in favor of the defense. since my case is over, i can actually tell you my experience in regards to my suit. my suit was because mr. westbrook had rushly signed my sports memorabilia during the eagles carnival. rather than spelling out his full last name. mr. westbrook had abbreviated his last name. (bw(space)than the letter k (which doesn't look like a k but anyway if you look at all his autograph signings, mr. westbrook spells out his complet last name.
it was unfair to be selective on who gets mr. westbrook's full signature and who gets a sucky signature when we all paid the same amount and some event paid more thru ebay.
there were no restriction, mr. westbrook was in a controlled environment; seated and signing autograph.
mr. westbrook probably has one of the best signature.
i also had the pleasure of meeting mr. westbrook on 2 occasions prior to my suit and 1 occassion just last week when mr. westbrook appeared at the macy's in philadelphia where he appeared for perry ellis and if you bought something for $50.00, this entitles you for a perry ellis football that mr. westbrook will sign and nothing eles and when the line had deminished, other who had not purchase anything was able to meet mr. westbrook and have a pictured that was offered by macy and perry ellis that mr. westbrook will sign for free.
and both items mr. westbook had signed his full signature.
the defense counsel had even called me 3 days prior to the court date and offered me an authentic helmet that mr. westbook will resign and 2 poster that mr. westbook will sign, however, i had declined the offer.
i actually thought that i had a good case being a consumer. again i have attended alot of signings and this is the first event that a player had signed differently. so therefore, who gets his true signature or why should he be selective. if i was a kid or a pretty attractive women...do those people get his full signature?
the price of the memorabilia depreciates in value.
i probably will not purchase any fast pass tickets and stick to signing events that are held at your local sports stores where you also obtain a COA.
i actually had more fun with the cheerleaders. again thank you for all your response.
if this event was free, i would not have complained or had seen mr. westbrook in a public area and had asked for his autgraph...i would not have complained but since i had spent alot for the tickets and for the items..i thought that i had rights as a consumer. even there are some players who signed for free ridiculous put a happy face in there autograph and one well known player is bill bergey. mr. bergey will put a happy face in his letter (b) and how silly is that. they actually think that people will sell there authogrpah. there lucky that people even ask for there autograph.
again many thanks......
Grown men who wait in line for other grown men to affix their signatures to shtein should really be castrated, burned, hung, shot, knifed and then incinerated.
Other than that, I have no opinion.
i hope his entire family gets aids, and then they find a cure for aids, and as they drive to the doctor's office to get the cure administered, a drunk driving truck driver t-bones their minivan with a gas tanker and they all burn to death.
I don't know, Rome. The man seems reasonable intelligent.
Injected with ebola, choked with piano wire, electrocuted, sodomized with a barbed-wire covered baseball bat, and then forced to listen to Joe Buck broadcast an entire taterskins/Cowboys game.
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2008, 08:35:49 PM
i hope his entire family gets aids, and then they find a cure for aids, and as they drive to the doctor's office to get the cure administered, a drunk driving truck driver t-bones their minivan with a gas tanker and they all burn to death.
Solid.
What a perfect scenario.
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2008, 08:35:49 PM
i hope his entire family gets aids, and then they find a cure for aids, and as they drive to the doctor's office to get the cure administered, a drunk driving truck driver t-bones their minivan with a gas tanker and they all burn to death.
This is why I think you're swell. We need more posts like this.
Quotethe defense counsel had even called me 3 days prior to the court date and offered me an authentic helmet that mr. westbook will resign and 2 poster that mr. westbook will sign, however, i had declined the offer.
idiot icehole.
SunMo seriously is a visionary.
Westbrook's agent confirmed he had knee surgery after the season yesterday
lol thats the first time i saw that post phreak linked.
i fifth (?) sunmo's suggestion
QuoteNFC East blog
ESPN.com's Matt Mosley writes about all things NFC East in his division blog.
• Blog network: NFL Nation
A revision in the five-year, $32 million extension the Philadelphia Eagles running back signed last August indicated the $7 million option bonus due in 2010 wasn't exercised by the team, according to multiple sources. By not exercising the $7 million bonus, Westbrook's contract ends in 2010.
The complicated extension, which reportedly was 60 pages long, had supercedes and bonuses, but it gave the team the right to trigger a clause that would extend the deal from 2011 to 2013. Under the new deal, Westbrook's base salary increased from $4 million to $5.85 million this season and goes to $7.25 million in 2010. His cap numbers increase to $13.25 million in 2009 and $10.59 million in 2010.
Westbrook turned 30 on Sept. 2.
Smart, I guess.
so their caking him off for the uncapped year?
Does anyone know anything about this? I'm surprised Westbrook hasnt said anything yet, im guessing they're working on something for the uncapped year, but i have no clue
theres nothing to it...the chances of the eagles ever exercising that option or westbrook seeing those final years was nill
QuoteThumbs down
To ESPN for its misleading report on the Eagles' decision not to activate the $7 million option bonus in the contract extension that Brian Westbrook signed last year. John Clayton wrote, "Brian Westbrook's long-term security isn't as long as he had anticipated." Uh, actually, it's exactly as long as he had anticipated. The option bonus was only put into Westbrook's extension so that the deal would comply with the league's cap-accounting rules. Both he and his agent, Todd France, were well aware of that and had no problem with it. As was pointed out in the Daily News on Wednesday, a source close to Westbrook acknowledged that Westbrook and France viewed the final 3 years of the deal, which were voided when the option bonus wasn't picked up, as "dummy years." As in make-believe. When Westbrook signed the extension, he knew he would be a free agent after the 2010 season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2009, 01:18:38 AM
QuoteThumbs down
To ESPN for its misleading report on the Eagles' decision not to activate the $7 million option bonus in the contract extension that Brian Westbrook signed last year. John Clayton wrote, "Brian Westbrook's long-term security isn't as long as he had anticipated." Uh, actually, it's exactly as long as he had anticipated. The option bonus was only put into Westbrook's extension so that the deal would comply with the league's cap-accounting rules. Both he and his agent, Todd France, were well aware of that and had no problem with it. As was pointed out in the Daily News on Wednesday, a source close to Westbrook acknowledged that Westbrook and France viewed the final 3 years of the deal, which were voided when the option bonus wasn't picked up, as "dummy years." As in make-believe. When Westbrook signed the extension, he knew he would be a free agent after the 2010 season.
I'll look into it. Crack some heads.