Iggy = gone?
IGY = still on the bandwagon?
theres something not right about you starting a basketball thread
they need at least 2 new starters next season....sg & pf.
and nobody on the roster is untouchable, imo. they need drastic changes to become serious contenders. you can't win in the playoffs with no inside game and no perimeter shooting.
This thread is awesome
Quote from: hunt on May 02, 2008, 11:08:48 AM
they need drastic changes to become serious contenders.
lol...blow the team up
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: hunt on May 02, 2008, 11:08:48 AM
they need drastic changes to become serious contenders.
lol...blow the team up
not sure i'd go that far but upgrading 2 out of 5 starters, which i think they need to do, is pretty drastic.
i dont think they need to do that this year...the big free agent class is next summer...add a piece this year add a couple pieces next year and try to win a title in 10 or 11...after webber left i was looking to 3-4 years out to win a title and i still think that is the realistic goal...they arent gonna be ready next year
Stefanski wont handcuff them, Snider may if he wants people in the seats
best not to throw all the monies in the way of lebron when its a forgone conclusion hes going to new york in 2 years.
Here's my prediction: Larry Brown loves athletic 3's. The Sixers ship Iggy off to Charlotte in a sign and trade for Emeka Okafor. Remember you heard it here first.
I'm down.
The people who have said trade Miller to Charlotte for their #1 pick are retarded. I haven't seen it here I don't think, but basically everywhere else. Felton > Miller.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Here's my prediction: Larry Brown loves athletic 3's. The Sixers ship Iggy off to Charlotte in a sign and trade for Emeka Okafor. Remember you heard it here first.
IN
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Here's my prediction: Larry Brown loves athletic 3's. The Sixers ship Iggy off to Charlotte in a sign and trade for Emeka Okafor. Remember you heard it here first.
IN
is he still continually out of the lineup?
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
because he's bringing DC out of retirement to play pf for charlotte.
duh.
lol
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 02, 2008, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Here's my prediction: Larry Brown loves athletic 3's. The Sixers ship Iggy off to Charlotte in a sign and trade for Emeka Okafor. Remember you heard it here first.
IN
is he still continually out of the lineup?
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
it wont happen because of team needs....but its not like thats some crazy deal talent wise...iguodala is as good a three as oka is for....see what i did there
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
Because LB loves 3's and it's not a given Okafor is re-signed so why wouldn't they just try to get something for him? Okafor isn't a better player than Iggy, but he's a big man which automatically makes him more valuable.
ban?
Quote from: hunt on May 02, 2008, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
because he's bringing DC out of retirement to play pf for charlotte.
duh.
now that's a good one :-D
So he's that valuable, but just not to Larry Brown? Cmon SD
Dude is a double double almost any given night, had a career best in stats, and extremely valuable on the defensive end--which Larry Brown covets even more. He is not going anywhere--you heard it hear first
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2008, 03:57:40 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
why in god's name would brown make that deal?
good christ, people.
Because LB loves 3's and it's not a given Okafor is re-signed so why wouldn't they just try to get something for him? Okafor isn't a better player than Iggy, but he's a big man which automatically makes him more valuable.
the problem is they dont need a three at all
That's never stopped Larry
its all well and good but michael jordan runs the team...larry is nothing more than the coach
which makes it all the more possible because jordan is a worse architect than even brown, if that's possible.
id give it chance of happening if okafor was an unrestricted free agent...but hes not
I'd do that deal in a flash.
I like Iggy a alot, but his showing in these playoffs made me reconsider my opinion on him. Unless he has a guy there who can take some pressure off of him, he will never be "the guy". His outside game is missing and he's better suited for a role versus being a star. And I would like to keep him, but hes the most valuable trading chip they have.
I would rather deal him for a 4 who can ball than pay him 70mil.
Trading Miller would be dumb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2008, 12:37:36 AM
I like Iggy a alot, but his showing in these playoffs made me reconsider my opinion on him.
so do you like him or has your opinion changed?
just because they were overmatched by a far superior team and he had an off series while being guarded by a guy in tayshaun prince who has locked down many a player youre done with him?
you know how many good to great players in this league have had poor playoff series...i dont see how you can do a .180 on someone because of the detroit series...if you didnt like him before det like sd then i understand
im not saying inguodala is untouchable but you better have a damn good replacement for him and plan b if youre gonna let him walk or trade him...he was an excellent first round pick and one of your building blocks you dont just let that go
I like him and was totally against trading him. However after seeing that he turned down 57M and after the performance in the playoffs I would consider dealing him IF
they can get a 4 out of the deal.
They could keep him and add a 4, but who could they sign? I think their only course of action to get a solid power forward is to include Iggy as trade bait.
I could be wrong, but with Thad and Lou and Miller; that group needs a 4.
76ers prez Stefanski wants to keep Cheeks, Iguodala
By DAN GELSTON, AP Sports Writer
PHILADELPHIA (AP)—The 76ers want coach Maurice Cheeks and guard Andre Iguodala to stick around for longer than one more season.
Adding a top-tier power forward and a 3-point shooter via free agency or trade would be nice additions, too, for a Sixers team suddenly on the rise in the East.
No doubt, this will be a busy summer for team president Ed Stefanski.
"There's no question that we're a team that's moving in the right direction," Stefanski said. "So from that standpoint, I would think we'd be attractive to free agents. And the bottom line is the dollar, so people will want to know if we have the money to pay guys and we're sitting in a nice cap situation right now."
The 76ers have about $11 million in salary cap space and plenty of buzz following a surprising playoff berth. Stefanski, in his first offseason running the show, believes the Sixers can be players in the free-agent market. Stefanski said on Wednesday he will be active in trying to fill all of Philadelphia's roster needs.
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"The perfect situation is to get a power forward, but I'm not going to be distraught if we don't get one because we'll add some pieces to do it a different way," Stefanski said.
Before he signs some players, Stefanski would like to work out a new deal with Cheeks. The popular third-year coach started the season in the final year of his original three-year deal and appeared on his way out once former GM Billy King was fired in December. Cheeks acknowledged losing his job "absolutely crossed my mind" once King was let go and Stefanski left his job with the Nets to take over.
Instead, Stefanski and Cheeks agreed to a one-year extension in late February. Once the Sixers took off over the final 34 games and made the playoffs, Stefanski said he realized Cheeks was the right man for the job.
Stefanski has not met with Cheeks yet to discuss an extension, but hopes to sit down with the former All-Star guard some time over the next few months.
"His handling of the players was good when I got here, Stefanski said. "It just solidified my thoughts."
More cloudy is the organization's view of Iguodala. Iguodala rejected a $57 million contract extension offered at the start of the season, and appeared to make it look like a wise choice with a solid regular season. Iguodala, though, has always been knocked for being a complementary player and not a true No. 1 star—something shown with awful performances in the six-game series against Detroit.
Philadelphia will hold a right of first refusal on any offer from another team, or Iguodala could sign a one-year qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent next year. Stefanski wants him back, even though another $57 million offer might not be on the table.
"I think Andre Iguodala is a good fit for our team," Stefanski said. "Is he the (No.) '1' man on our team? He has to prove that, but I'll take a lot of Andre Iguodalas on our team."
The Sixers also could negotiate an extension with Andre Miller. The guard, who was outstanding for the Sixers and had a career-best scoring average, wants to see what moves they make before deciding if he wants to commit beyond next season. He's signed through next year, so Stefanski is in no rush to extend the deal.
"I don't see it as a priority," he said.
Stefanski said the 76ers likely won't go over the NBA's luxury tax threshold, but the organization would pay the dollar-for-dollar penalty if they could find "a star who can turn us totally around."
Will Sixers Make A Run At Wilcox?
Ed Stefanski might consider making a run at the SuperSonics' Chris Wilcox. The 25-year-old Wilcox has good size (6-foot-10, 235 pounds), likes to play with his back to the basket -- the Sixers desperately need a low-post scorer -- and is heading into the final year of his contract (he'll earn $6.75 million).
Would Seattle be willing to take Utah's first-rounder for Wilcox?
Thad named to all-rookie 2nd team.
I dig his game..but nobody will remember that accolade
Chad Ford's latest mock has the Sixers taking Marreese Speights, under the assumption they aren't going to get Elton Brand.
easy ed mentioned something about possibly trading up in the draft & sounds like they'll def pick a pf/c...also read a rumor of zach randolph & the #6 pick to philly for reggie evans & the #16 pick.
sixers haven't had a fat, lazy, left-handed pf since dc so randolph would definitely fill a need.
Seems like every mock has them taking Speights or Donte Greene. Greene worked out with the Sixers on Saturday, along with a couple of St. Joe's players and some Russian guy. Today's the deadline for underclassmen to make a final decision on staying in. Speights is staying....the 3 kids from Kansas are staying.....the 3 kids from UNC are out....
Super Mario should have stayed at KU for one more year.
Who the recent mocks have the Sixers taking:
Comcast SportsNet 6/19 = Darrell Arthur
CNNSI 6/19 = DeAndre Jordan
Chad Ford (ESPN.com) 6/17 = Marreese Speights
Draft Ace 6/17 = Brandon Rush
ProBasketballNews.com 6/17 = Kosta Koufos
Draft Express 6/17 = Kosta Koufos
NBADraft.net 6/16 = Darrell Arthur
RealGM 6/16 = Donte Greene
Sports XChange 6/6 = Donte Greene
kosta koufos or donte green would be terrible picks...they dont need big guys that like to shoot threes...if you wanna shooter draft a shooter and if you wanna banger draft a banger but dont take one of these guys
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3455824&name=broussard_chris)
QuoteSome say Atlanta doesn't want to go above $11 million per year to sign restricted free agent Josh Smith. If that's the case, look for Smith to end up in Philadelphia.
The Sixers would love to get Elton Brand, but word is that he doesn't want to take a pay cut from the $16 million-plus he's due next season -- except to go to Miami.
So with Brand pretty much out of the question, Philly will look at Smith and Antawn Jamison. The Sixers can start either one at $11 million with 8 percent annual increases.
Smith, by the way, would fit perfectly in Philly's up-tempo, run-and-jump system. But I think Atlanta must match whatever offer he gets. If they don't re-sign him, they'll lose all the momentum they gained by taking Boston to seven games, not to mention a great budding young talent.
i like him i just dont know if hes the kind of 'power' forward they need
He's not 6'11" but he's a good all-around player already, fits the Sixers' style perfectly, doesn't turn 23 until December and doesn't have the injury history of Brand. I think he'd be an All-Star already if he didn't play for Atlanta...
top 10 plays of 06-07 season (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocaatPvI90k) (the sound at 1:08 is sick)
top 10 blocks of 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iC2m75Xbo8)
2005 dunk contest - dunks over Kenyon Martin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONx3KR8fJg)
id defintely rather have him than brand because of the injury...dont get me wrong id be fine with smith but hes not a true power forward...and depsite his shots blocked hes not a very good defender...more of a back side shot blocker type guy which is not what the sixers really need and he cant check anyone...but how could you complain if they got a talent like him
so hes a smaller version of dalembert but with coordination?
Quote from: MDS on June 22, 2008, 09:00:51 PM
so hes a smaller version of dalembert but with coordination?
smith has more offensive talent in his mushroom cap than sammy has in his entire body...josh reminds me of a taller corey magette headband and all...he plays a lot smaller than he is which is my concern as far as him being a power forward
run with us, havy. run with us.
Smith is not the guy you count on down in the block, and that is what the Sixers desperately need. Yes the boy has some off the wall athleticism and can fill the stat sheet, but without the low-post presence you're just playing cat and mouse on the defensive end
It would be so nice for once to see a lob pass down in the post, and watch somebody back an opponent down, dribble once or twice for a turn around shot or lay in--just once
Sixers are a fast break team, in that way Smith is a perfect fit. He's only 22 so he still has room to develop a low post game. I'd be thrilled with either him or Brand. I'd sign and trade Iggy for either of them. If they can somehow hold onto Iggy and still get Smith all the better.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 22, 2008, 09:56:02 PM
Sixers are a fast break team, in that way Smith is a perfect fit.
i keep hearing this everywhere and i just dont buy it...the sixers are a fast break team not because their coach or gm carry that philosophy but because thats the personel they have...ask phoenix and dallas how the all fast break way works...you need toughness and defense to win nba championships...now they could possibly add smith and other smaller pieces that fit that bill but they have to be careful about adding smith if it is going to drastically prohibit what else they can do...whether this summer or in future years
It is the personel, it's also the way Mo uses them. They don't have shooters so he tailored the teams play to their personel. They differ from the Mavs in that they can buckle down and play D. The Mavs can play the break but can shoot lights out from the floor if the lanes are being clogged. The Sixers don't have that luxury. I'm sure Mo would like for them to slow the game down at times but he doesn't have the outside shooters to make it happen.
right...mo taylored the game to the talent he had last year...but thats not what he wants to do nor is it his philosophy so why would they continue it by signing a josh smith...smith would be the perfect fit IF thats what the team was gonna do for the foreseeable future...smith would also be a great get if right now they were a plodding all defense team as he would add monster talent...but the team is the exact opposite of that in that they have lots of young offensive talent but no toughness defense or rebounding....and they dont really need a josh smith if you really look at it
To piggy IGY, fast break teams equate to garbage come playoff time...its been proven time and time again with the champs being a half-court squad.
Sure, give me Smith for some more defense but you better damn well have a legit threat from the outside and a post player . As a matter of fact, you might need 2 legit threats. Mo better tailor another way if wants to build a championship somehow because this running up and down the court better than other teams looks cute and all.... but it dont mean diddley
mo has said many times that he is a defensive coach...i mean hes not chuck dailey but hes not a run and gunner either....hes been adapting to what hes been given....nothing more nothing less...i have much faith in stefanski to build the team in the right manner and again while i like josh smith quite a bit im just not sure thats the way to go with the roster the way it is now...but as i said a couple posts ago maybe eddie has a plan in place in his mind where they can get josh smith and still add the necessary blue collar pieces that they desperately need (and hopefully shooters as well)...i mean theres a reason we are posting in a message board sixers thread and eddie is a nba gm
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 22, 2008, 09:56:02 PM
I'd sign and trade Iggy for either of them.
i don't believe it.
QuoteFormer Philadelphia 76er Aaron F. McKie was arrested this morning on charges he lied while trying to buy two pistols despite a restraining order banning weapons possession.
McKie, 35, is to be arraigned this afternoon in Montgomery County Magisterial District Court on one felony and one misdemeanor count stemming from his April 8 trip to Abington Gun Sports in Upper Moreland Township.
While filling out paperwork to buy a .38-caliber Smith and Wesson and a 9 mm Ruger, McKie denied that he was subject to a court order restraining him from harassing his "child or an intimate partner or child of such partner," even though a Delaware County restraining order had been filed in September against him.
Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman said that the reasons for the restraining order are confidential and that it formally prohibits McKie from buying or having guns for a year. A computer check at the gun shop had found the restraining order, and McKie was turned away from purchasing the guns, she said. Later, investigators found he had voluntarily signed the restraining order that forbade him from having firearms.
McKie, who lives in Narberth, excelled as a basketball player for Simon Gratz High School and Temple University before his NBA career. He was the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year while playing for the Eastern Conference Champion 76ers team in 2000-01. He most recently played in the NBA in 2007.
Last season, he worked as a 76ers assistant coach until he was signed by the Los Angeles Lakers last year to a $750,000 contract to fulfill salary-cap requirements of a trade for Memphis Grizzly star Pau Gasol. McKie was sent to the Grizzlies but did not see any playing time.
temple representin'
anyone else all all drafted up?
for the three people that care gimme who you think the sixers will take and who you want them to take
Marreese Speights
i feel like the sixers have to go big. i'm hoping they get deandre jordan, to me he seems to have the most upside if he puts on some weight and can turn out to be a dwight howard type. i think speights is a real possibility too and wouldn't be upset with him.
i do not want them to touch that koufos kid or mcgee from nevada. i love me some hibbert, but the sixers don't need two lanky stick figures in the middle.
my list goes 1. jordan 2. arthur 3. speights
i've heard all the names, but i don't know enough about any of them to have an intelligent opinion
moving up to #2 to take Beasley would be swell though
I think they'll wind up with either Speights or Arthur...I'd say Ajinca is the darkhorse. Seems like trading up will be easier this year if they chose to go that route, they have rights to the Utah pick as an asset.
no frenchies please.
Ed likes the Europeans
Seems like it'll be Speights or Arthur, with a possibility of trading into the late 1st or upper 2nd for Jason Thompson...
i wish the sixers has a second rounder. (they don't right?) because i think joey dorsey is going to be a great pro and he's going to be on the board for a while.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2008, 12:26:05 PM
no frenchies please.
hes black tho so its ok
i think they are probably going big but something tells me that stefanski might trade up for one of the points...gordon or augustine...also in the trade dept id love to see them tray to do something for okafor...hes a rfa and with charlotte having a nice choice of big men at 9 especially if love or lopez were to fall they may be willing to let okafor go
if the sixers go big the question is do you go for one of the low block bigs (speights or thompson type)...thompson btw is from mt laurel...or one of the athletic bigs (green or jordan)
i want jj hickson or speights...the sixers have more than enough athleticism and need a strong big bodied inside force than can if nothing else rebound the hell out of the ball and defend
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2008, 01:04:25 PM
i want jj hickson or speights...the sixers have more than enough athleticism and need a strong big bodied inside force than can if nothing else rebound the hell out of the ball and defend
Hickson would be acceptable for sure.
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FYI, here's the guys that fail the igy test and should be removed from consideration immediately:
Joe Alexander
Kevin Love
Kosta Koufos
Ryan Anderson
Trent Plaisted
all Europeans except the Frenchies
white basketball players dont always pass the look test but many of them can play unlike outside linebackers
I don't know enough about these guys other than the top players available.
However, they need someone who can post up and grab rebounds. Because when they have a need to slow it down and actually play offense, they have no one who can do that down low.
I would also love to see them go after Okafor. Getting him would be a big time deal. I wonder if they would have to move Iggy do get it done though.
Keith Brumbaugh is a local kid who has top-5 pick talent but he also has been in all sorts of trouble off the court for several years now.
He might be worth taking a shot on if you have a late second rounder.
whats charlotte doing...sixers need to trade for augustine or felton
that shot of robin lopez with that hat on was priceless.
Speights
thats cool. he should learn how to spell maurice though.
wtf?
never good when they go right to commercial break after your pick.
well he's not in the building so they have to get him on the phone or something.
Not bad, I suppose. He's a big body and that is what they need.
Now they need to buy a #2 and draft a shooter.
As long as they took Speights or Arthur I was OK with the pick. Let's see if they get Utah's pick early, or buy a 2nd-rder
I study the NFL draft and make educated guesses and never get it right.
I don't know shtein about basketball, and I got this one right.
I give up. Can we start talking about how much more difficult it is to pitch with someone on base again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8yoD0IWtw
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
white basketball players dont always pass the look test but many of them can play unlike outside linebackers
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as solid of a pick as they could have made there...nba body not a twig like a lot of these potential guys that wont be ready for three years..my only concern with him is his defense..he has the potential to get exposed somewhat as nba fours are much more athletic than ever before...but sammy protecting the rim will provide comfort in that area
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2008, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
white basketball players dont always pass the look test but many of them can play unlike outside linebackers
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gross
I'm just happy no Deandre Jordan. He's terrible. Top 20 pick and his team literally didnt play him in the NCAA tournament?
Dude's got reese in his name--gold
Quote"He was the highest ranked player when our pick came," senior vice president and assistant general manager Tony DiLeo said.
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▪ "First of all, we're a running team, and he's one of the best running big men in the draft."
▪ "Second of all, we need a post-up presence. Even though he's not developed fully yet, he can score with both hands around the basket, and he will be, we think, a good post-up player.
▪ "Third, we need some outside shooting. Not only can he score inside, but he can go outside.
▪ "Fourth, we like versatile players. We think eventually he eventually will be able to play both positions – the power forward and the center position.
▪ "Fifth, he's a good person. He fits in with his character into our team. We've done a lot of research on him. He really fits us like a glove."
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"We don't feel he'll be an impact next season," DiLeo said. "But we didn't feel that way with Thaddeus last season. We feel he'll get on the court some, but we don't see a major role for him. But it depends on him. If he develops the way Thaddeus developed this year ... I mean we couldn't keep him on the court."
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"They won the national championship, and he practiced and played against Horford and Noah for a whole season and learned a lot from those two players," DiLeo said. "That was also a factor in our decision."
Speights' reaction from home (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/062608-speights.wmv)
was that English?
Stefanski said he tried to trade into the lower part of the 1st or early 2nd because a few guys dropped...
east coast represent!!!
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 26, 2008, 09:11:19 PM
As long as they took Speights or Arthur I was OK with the pick.
fo rilla?
cmon I said that a few minutes after they made the pick. I didn't know he had a kidney problem and was going to drop another 11 spots...
and be traded more times than a pat combs rookie card
im just messsing around but even without the kidney crap he still would have been a terrible pick for the sixers...hes basically a less talented thaddeus
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2008, 01:47:40 PM
and be traded more times than a pat combs rookie card
and killed himself more times than ray combs
CSN sportsnite reporting Josh Smith to visit Philly this week.
met with the Hawks front office for several hours today and will be in town tomorrow
Josh Childress is expected to visit too
Dei recaps Smith's visit (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070208-smith.wmv)
the custom jersey in the locker room and the pic on the scoreboard.........just like Thome in 2002
i saw dei at the temple womens basketball coach press conference (they hired uconns top asst. if you care)....eh, not good.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2008, 08:15:48 PM
Dei recaps Smith's visit (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070208-smith.wmv)
the custom jersey in the locker room and the pic on the scoreboard.........just like Thome in 2002
All thats missing is the construction workers...they don't have them in Atlanta.
AJC said Childress would be in town on Monday, but they are liars
Marc Stein says the Sixers are trying to trade Carney or Booth for more cap room to get Brand (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477358)
bad link Eddy--here you go:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477424 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477424)
Quote from: reese125 on July 08, 2008, 08:31:33 AM
bad link Eddy--here you go:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477424 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3477424)
I thought it was odd we didnt hear anything about Brand.
The fact that Sixers are making headlines makes me more than happy than years past. Even if things dont shake out with Brand (like all big free agents), it looks like Ed Stef is hard at work. Love it
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Yeah, who cares if he fails? So long as he's working hard, who needs results?!
got to crawl before you get results (ex: trading away players to make room)
give the guy some credit first before you bash Rome. I realize the Sixers were in cap hell for years, and it was hard to accomplish significant upgrades, but it's nice to see a GM not sitting on his ass and at least attempting to make his team better.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2008, 08:45:06 AM
Yeah, who cares if he fails? So long as he's working hard, who needs results?!
exactly...who the farg cares if brand is 30 and coming off a blown up achillies as long as the sixers are in the news....FRONT PAGE HEADLINES FOREVA!
and the reason they are players is because they have money for the first time in forever not because of stefanski work ethic
reese droppin gems per usual
i would think, if anything, they are trying to get more cap room so they can make an offer to Josh Smith that Atlanta can't or doesn't want to match...Brand is not leaving California
yeah its not coincidence that this all this manuevering is happing the day before the RFA market opens...it may not 100% be smith but i dont think its brand
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2008, 08:45:06 AM
Yeah, who cares if he fails? So long as he's working hard, who needs results?!
exactly...who the farg cares if brand is 30 and coming off a blown up achillies as long as the sixers are in the news....FRONT PAGE HEADLINES FOREVA!
and the reason they are players is because they have money for the first time in forever not because of stefanski work ethic
reese droppin gems per usual
YEAH EXACTLY...nerd
I guess you didnt see Brand play the last 8 games AFTER his injury....but he's another cripple right? Wait...why bother with you talking about basketball? You seriously know squat about the game as your NBA posts dictate
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Quoteit may not 100% be smith but i dont think its brand
dropping nostradaumus gems as usual
I still don't see the point in getting Smith. They have enough players like him already. Get a farging low post scorer or save the cap room for next year when the free agent market will be a bonanza.
actually they dont have any players like smith,....there arent many players in the nba like smith...but i agree its not exactly what they need...id still rather have him than brand tho
I meant guys who can run the floor.
I would rather have Smith too.
Brand is what they need, but I would be uncomfortable seeing them give up a huge deal to a guy who is coming off that injury and is getting up in age. If he fails it could be a cap breaker and they'd be stuck with him. Go with the younger more athletic guy who fits their style of play.
Problem is, how does Smith fit in? Does he play the 4? And they still have to figure out how to get Iggy and Thad in there. Because it is obvious Iggy is no 2 because he lacks the outside shot to be in that spot.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2008, 09:17:47 AM
I meant guys who can run the floor.
thats what they want tho...stefanski has said over and over they are going to be a up and down team...he fits their style perfectly he just isnt quite strong enough to power on the block...but at the same time he does have a decent back to the basket game that hopefully would get better as hes still a baby....which is why i give him the nod over brand who is old and coming off a bad injury...in three to five years brand will be all but done where as smith would be in his prime and ideally be a stud superstar in the league which he has the potential to be
Carney established himself as a decent 3 pt. threat and I don't like just giving away a 1st for some cap relief. I know the Sixers can only do so much because only certain players are available, but I thought that was a lot to give up for some cap relief.
I'd be thrilled with either Brand or Smith. My first thought is to take Brand because he is a legit 20/10 guy and low post threat, then you take into account his achilles injury and age and I can't help but to think of Webber. Smith isn't exactly what the team needs but damn he's athletic and this team would be fun to watch. He's still in his early 20's so there is still time to develop a low post game, plus he's 10x better than what they had out there last season.
you see so many guys coming off achilles injuries where they blow out the other one down the line...i could see Brand doing that here if they signed him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
Problem is, how does Smith fit in? Does he play the 4? And they still have to figure out how to get Iggy and Thad in there. Because it is obvious Iggy is no 2 because he lacks the outside shot to be in that spot.
Iggy becomes the 2
Thad becomes the 3
Smith the 4
Iggy mentioned it during an interview on DNL and Stefanski mentioned it on a WIP interview.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2008, 09:17:47 AM
I meant guys who can run the floor.
You can never have too many guys like that.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 08, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
Problem is, how does Smith fit in? Does he play the 4? And they still have to figure out how to get Iggy and Thad in there. Because it is obvious Iggy is no 2 because he lacks the outside shot to be in that spot.
Iggy becomes the 2
Thad becomes the 3
Smith the 4
Iggy mentioned it during an interview on DNL and Stefanski mentioned it on a WIP interview.
clearly thats what they would do but what phreak is saying is iguodala isnt a two
if they went that direction you would just have to hope that iguodala lou et al improved their jumpers...my concern with that lineup isnt so much the two spot but the defense...it looks a lot like a clippers type team to me...tons of talent around but not a team thats gonna win anything of note...and theyd really be in trouble once miller left
what they really need is a kendrick perkins type pf....a guy that would give them that toughness defense and rebounding inside but wouldnt cost a ton of money like smith or brand
Like I've said all along, trade Iggy. He doesn't fit and isn't worth the money he wants. I'd be happy with Magette at the 2.
this article from Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkjJjyJ4QSejoCqaRBjMPNM5nYcB?slug=aw-phillytrade070608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) says the trade with Minnesota is done already
Quote from: SunMo on July 08, 2008, 09:42:40 AM
this article from Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkjJjyJ4QSejoCqaRBjMPNM5nYcB?slug=aw-phillytrade070608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) says the trade with Minnesota is done already
QuoteThe deal can't be finalized until the NBA trade moratorium is lifted on Wednesday.
So, it's done like LeCharles Bentley is at the NovaCare Complex done?
Its amazing that the Sixers are in the running for a legit NBA all-star to move forward from the 1st rd of the playoffs, and people in here are worried about cap space and possible injury. I find it hard that anyone could possibly follow Billy Kings suit cap space wise..and take the chance for injury--if it means getting that kind of player. If every GM worried about injury, there wouldnt be one player with big-time max deals. Why did the Wizards give Arenas all that money? He's gotta a nice smile? Cap worries? I wont be upset to get Smith, but Brand is what the Sixers need in a very big way to move forward.
And dont get caught up in Smiths numbers. Yes the guy is young, athletic, can run the floor, can block from the weak side and shoot somewhat decent....but he is also a turnover guy that gets sloppy, tries to do too much, creates alot of opposing fast break points and runs inconsistent shooting the ball alot of nights. Hes not your go-to
Yes he will develop in time...but what happens when you throw major dollars at him at that age and he produces like Dalembert. That kid could crumble with this media (like alot of pro's that come here..then they leave...and become studs on another team). I would like to have him on the floor with IGGY and Thad just for amusement purposes, but I also want a consistent banger in Brand that can back his way down to the basket, get put-backs, still block alot of shots (in which he is very good at) and score 20 pts. With him--you get a 2-1 and Miller could have a field day with Brand.
QuotePosted by: SD_Eagle
Carney established himself as a decent 3 pt. threat and I don't like just giving away a 1st for some cap relief. I know the Sixers can only do so much because only certain players are available, but I thought that was a lot to give up for some cap relief.
Dont forget there is a $2.8m trade exception that comes with that, and if the 1st is the Utah pick they should be good. The Sixers can now get a shooter, even if all their cap space is used up on Brand.
Your sign and trade for IGGY wish might come true SD
And--Brand has his house on the market--Warriors or Philly?
http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/basketball-star-elton-brand-places-his-5471-square-foot-house-in-los-angeles-hollywood-hills-back-on-the-market-for-49985m/4213/celebrities (http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/basketball-star-elton-brand-places-his-5471-square-foot-house-in-los-angeles-hollywood-hills-back-on-the-market-for-49985m/4213/celebrities)
That means nothing. In this market, he might as well get it listed ASAP. If it sells quickly and he re-signs with L.A., he can just buy another bigger house with his new fat contract.
BRANDED
Quote from: reese125 on July 08, 2008, 10:18:21 AM
I also want a consistent banger in Brand that can back his way down to the basket, get put-backs, still block alot of shots (in which he is very good at) and score 20 pts.
This is all you needed to post.
reese would be an excellent authority on the consistent nature of Brand's banging.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2008, 04:37:21 PM
Quote from: reese125 on July 08, 2008, 10:18:21 AM
I also want a consistent banger in Brand that can back his way down to the basket, get put-backs, still block alot of shots (in which he is very good at) and score 20 pts.
This is all you needed to post.
suprise is that you actually read his post
sadness is you encouraging him to write anything at all
just in case you were wondering...this is the sport we are talking about in here, so you probably should head on out to the NHL thread:
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 08, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
Problem is, how does Smith fit in? Does he play the 4? And they still have to figure out how to get Iggy and Thad in there. Because it is obvious Iggy is no 2 because he lacks the outside shot to be in that spot.
Iggy becomes the 2
Thad becomes the 3
Smith the 4
Iggy mentioned it during an interview on DNL and Stefanski mentioned it on a WIP interview.
Yeah, I worry about Iggy being the 2. His outside shot is horrible. And when he gets locked down he can't even cut to the rim and play his game right.
As much as I like him, dealing him might have to be the route to take.
Quote from: SunMo on July 08, 2008, 09:42:40 AM
this article from Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkjJjyJ4QSejoCqaRBjMPNM5nYcB?slug=aw-phillytrade070608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) says the trade with Minnesota is done already
Nice.
I am warming up to getting Brand. But goddamn, the injury/age scares me.
Miller
Iggy
Thad
Brand
Sammy
But we still have the problem at the 2 with no outside shooter. Is there anyone they can bring in who can pop one from deep when needed?
yea so
miller-real igy-thad-brand-sammy boy
then willie, lou wil, reggie and jason smith off the bench?
the best free agent sg is michael finley, but youd figure he'd want to stay in san anton.
otherwise there is a giant hole at the 2 on this team. cant deal with another year of willie starting and cant put igy or thad at the there. so...eddie has to do something.
supposedly 950 said Brand to the Sixers will be done within 24 hrs and Eskin says it's close. secondhand info though
The article in the Inky said that the Sixers could potentially offer Brand $87M.
I'm not even a real fan but Jesus Christ on a pogo stick... $87M for a guy with a pretty significant injury history? Why rush into a move like that? I mean, the payoff could be pretty decent if he stays healthy and productive for the duration of the deal, but even so, is Elton Brand really the type of guy that you tie your entire franchise's future to at this point?
:paranoid
its either this or wait around till 2010 and hope to get lebron. so...
Get Brand.
I just hope they don't get shut out by losing Brand and then having Atlanta match the offer to Smith.
And, if they get Brand, they should definitely move Iggy off the team.
they either are going after brand or smith...not both...and from all reports its a full court press on brand...smith isnt even in the picture anymore
also what does iguodala have to do with brand?...if you want him gone cause he doesnt have a position then fine but it has nothing to do with brand
Well, Brand removes the need for Thad or Iggy to "fake" the 2. I guess it just bothers me that Iguodala can't shoot from the perimeter. He's still a really good player, and I don't hate on him, but... whatever.
Just add a big piece. I'm cool with Brand, but I do think they'll end up wishing they hadn't in a year or two.
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Marc Stein now says "70-30" Brand signs with the Sixers
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 08, 2008, 07:57:28 PM
Well, Brand removes the need for Thad or Iggy to "fake" the 2. I guess it just bothers me that Iguodala can't shoot from the perimeter. He's still a really good player, and I don't hate on him, but... whatever.
Just add a big piece. I'm cool with Brand, but I do think they'll end up wishing they hadn't in a year or two.
I think people only say that, because of Webber flashbacks. Webber had multiple knee surgeries and was totally fried. Brand is in great shape, a workout nut, actually has heart and is 100% from what I hear. I think Brand will be a 20/10 guy for another 4 or so years.
they are saying it because hes blew out his achillies nine months ago...webber and brand have nothing in common
even at that no one is saying dont get brand just that he comes with concerns for that kind of money and years...those concerns being injury and age...to not recognize those two things is to be blind
LA TIMES REPORTING DONE DEAL WITH THE SIXERS (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story)
a decent 2 away from literally being too good to be true?
Quote from: MDS on July 08, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
a decent 2 away from literally being too good to be true?
if brand returns to pre injury form his presence alone will make the outside shooting better by a lot
Quote from: MDS on July 08, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
a decent 2 away from literally being too good to be true?
Your best
unrestricted free agent SG's right now with any lick of stamina (Finley is toast) are Eddie House, Ricky Davis, and possibly Roger Mason from the Wizards
Jasner confirms the verbal agreement....top story on Philly.com right now :yay
Carlos Boozer?
"verbal agreement" is still in LeCharles territory, folks
simma down now
Sweet.
Now hope and pray he's healthy.
Which means *boom* goes the achilles in November.
who gets hurt first? brand or mcnabb?
anyway i like the move and of course pray he stays healthy.
how old is he anyway?
As if nobody paid attention to last year, Brand played really well when he came back. Averaged 18 points, 8 boards and 2 blocks in 34 minutes.
Unreal. Never thought Brand would opt out, and once he did I figured he was using the Sixers for leverage. Sixers should win at least 50 games next season.
Roster with Brand:
STARTERS = Dalembert, Brand, Young, Iguodala*, Miller
BENCH = Williams*, Green, Speights, Evans, Smith
So now that they can only sign players for the vet minimum, here's some options:
Salim Stoudamire
Damon Stoudamire
Tyronn Lue
Juan Dixon
Dan Dickau
Jason Williams
Ricky Davis
Sebastian Telfair
Fred Jones
Pat Garrity
Eric Piatkowski
James Jones
Robert Horry
Michael Finley
Roger Mason
James Jones is going to Miami I think.
The plausible thing to do is wrap up Iguodala and Lou first to push them over the cap so they can use their mid-level exception--if that is their intention with the 2 players.
The Sixers are around 49 million, plus the caphold is 10 million. Either split the mid-level with two shooters, or use it on one and then use the vet min.
If the deal goes through, Ed Stef just got Brand for Korver, Carney and Booth. Quality work.
is that a way around the MLE thing? I thought you didn't get them if you started with cap room....?
You don't get MLE if you start with cap room. You renounce all of that.
The Sixers just have the vet minimum I think. They could also make a trade, but teams would have to want what we have to offer. That is most likely Green or Evans. Two not so very attractive pieces. Maybe Jason Smith if he can get you another piece. They have a lot of bigs now and with Speights they could give up Smith for a shooter. I wouldn't give up Smith though unless he gets you more than a one-dimensional shooter. It would have to be a player with more of a game than just set jumpers.
FYI the salary cap was just set at $58.68M (up from $55.63M last season), with a luxury tax threshold at $71.15M, and the MLE will be worth $5.585M...
In Clipper Country, Brand's departure is business as usual
By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com
(Archive)
QuoteAs it turns out Elton Brand is an NBA player, the Clippers are the Clippers and the joke's on all of us who ever thought otherwise.
When he agreed to a five-year, $82 million contract with the Philadelphia 76ers, Brand did what 99.9 percent of all players would do: Choose more money and a better chance to win.
He said, "My intention is to stay," when he opted out of his contract with the Clippers last week. His agent, David Falk, painted it as a generous opportunity to give the Clippers a chance at bringing in a star free agent, which they promptly did by nabbing Baron Davis. For a brief moment there was euphoria in Clipper Country.
Then the Warriors threw more money at Brand to give him pause, the Sixers cleared room to make a handsome offer to Brand and suddenly Brand is off to Philly.
As a longtime member of the NBA circle said, "Right when you thought they had just pulled it off, right when you thought the Clippers were not going to be the Clippers, they're going to end up being the Clippers."
The thing is you can't blame this on Donald Sterling's miserly ways. That hasn't been the issue for a while now, even if old labels don't fade easily. He tried to spend what he could to get Kobe Bryant in 2004 and Ray Allen in 2005, but Bryant stayed with the Lakers and Allen stayed with Seattle. It wasn't money that kept the Clippers from building on their run to the second round of the 2006 playoffs; Sterling kept that team intact, even committing $52 million to lock up Chris Kaman long term. Injuries and then player apathy did them in.
But this is also about the lengthy history of failure that surrounds this team and how the past can dictate the future. Brand has had his doubts about this franchise, whether it would ever commit the full resources to being a winner, or maybe if it was simply jinxed. Because in addition to the legacy of comically erroneous draft choices and past-their-prime player acquisitions there is also a tradition of devastating injuries, the latest to Shaun Livingson. Something always goes wrong.
Just when the Clippers appeared ready to change their fortune, after they uncharacteristically struck with the first bold move of free agency in landing Davis, Brand bolted on them and took the heart of the team with him. Yes, the Clippers could have shipped people out to clear more cap room to re-sign Brand. But that would have weakened the team's depth. And besides, they shouldn't have had to jump into an escalating salary race once they satisfied what he told them was his primary objective, to bring in more talent.
So this one's on Brand. Not that I blame him entirely. Even with Davis, the Clippers weren't guaranteed a spot in the Western Conference playoffs with the Lakers, Spurs, Hornets, Jazz, Suns, Mavericks, Rockets, Nuggets and Trail Blazers around. In the Eastern Conference, simply fielding a 12-man roster gives you a chance to make the playoffs, and even an inexperienced Sixers squad managed to take a couple of games off the veteran Detroit Pistons in the first round. Brand's the exact piece they needed: a low-post presence who can help their half-court offense, because Philadelphia's formula of turnovers and transition baskets doesn't work so well in the postseason. In that sense Falk stayed true to his word when he said Brand's top priority was winning a championship.
But he and Brand gave signals that they wanted to do that with the Clippers, where he also could have stayed close to Hollywood for his nascent movie producing career.
When it came down to it, Brand did what all NBA players do come contract time. He got selfish. And Clipper fans feel betrayed.
That's a new emotion. They've been upset before. Ashamed, even. But never before had they had their hearts ripped out by someone they wanted to believe and felt safe in trusting. Brand was someone who actually brought honor to the Clipper uniform, someone who was hard-working, classy and real, a peanut-butter-and-jelly-sandwich guy in a tofu town. Now he's just like so many other promising players who pass through Clipper Country: gone.
"I wish ill will upon him," a Clipper fan friend of mine said.
That's pretty much the sentiment among the non-purple-and-gold set in L.A.
Many of those wondering how Brand could leave forget that he left once before: in 2003, when he signed an offer sheet with the Miami Heat. But that time he was a restricted free agent, so the Clippers retained his services by matching the terms of Miami's six-year, $82 million offer.
That year the Clippers also kept Corey Maggette around for a $42 million commitment as part of an unprecedented spending spree. That ended this summer too, when Maggette opted out and wound up with the Golden State Warriors.
Good luck trying to replace Brand's 20 points and 10 rebounds a game, or the two blocks a night he made as the long-armed last line of defense. His career year in 2005-06, coupled with the arrival of Sam Cassell, resulted in the best season in Clippers history.
They'll also be hard-pressed to find another 22-point-per-game scorer like Maggette. But he wasn't as essential to the team as Brand. For a while Brand gave the team an identity -- a brand name, you could say.
It was our mistake to look at the back of the jersey. The real story, all along, could be found on the front.
They're the Clippers.
this is brands second 80+ million dollar contract....sick
What has he Produced movie wise?
In Production
Across the Hall (2009) (post-production) (executive producer)
Produced:
Something's Wrong in Kansas (2008) (executive producer)
Bottoms Up (2006) (executive producer)
Rescue Dawn (2006) (producer)
well, I know Rescue Dawn(Christian Bale) but never heard of any of the other ones. Good for him though diversifying
Quote from: King Cole on July 09, 2008, 12:19:20 AM
I wouldn't give up Smith though unless he gets you more than a one-dimensional shooter. It would have to be a player with more of a game than just set jumpers.
I disagree. The lack of a "set jumper" threat could be the biggest reason the Sixers can't win it all. Losing Jason Smith would not be overly significant after drafting Speights and signing Brand.
you just gave up a number one pick in carney...giving up another first rounder for what would certainly be a marginal bench shooter would not be wise imo...before they start giving away all their young players for a shooter lets see how much brands presence improves the shooting of iguodala sweet lou ect...
plus i liked what i saw of smith last year and i think he can be a valuable bench guy this season
hes gonna want more than the vet minimum but id love to somehow get roger mason jr...that guy can fill it up off the bench and is a very good shooter...think he had four 30 pt games last year
Smith aint bad for a white guy.
the only issue you have now is a bit of a logjam at the PF position with Brand, Speights, Evans, and Smith (who gets spanked at the center position).
I think something is going to have to go down with one of these players in order to get the full value of these guys
theres no logjam
speights wont play this year
brand will get the minutes and reggie and jason will come off the bench situationally
cool, thanks
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 11:37:34 AMspeights wont play this year
just like Young wasn't supposed to play last year
i had that written out, but I said why bother--Ill just agree with him for the sheer amusement
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 09, 2008, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 11:37:34 AMspeights wont play this year
just like Young wasn't supposed to play last year
is this the game where i pick another year and name a player who
didnt play his rookie season because ill win
the PF position on the 08 team is different than the SF position on the 07 team
stick to confirming news stories and leave the analyzation to others and then kill yourself for having reese agree with you
Speights won't play as much as Thad, but he'll definitely play some.
shtein...Brand wont play anyway because he is a cripple..so I see Speights getting 30+ min a game
Sixers announced a press conference at 5 pm. Anyone have an idea what it is for?
1) tailgaiting packages and ticket prices are going up
or
2) Brand signing
Quote from: King Cole on July 09, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
Speights won't play as much as Thad, but he'll definitely play some.
mop up time in blowouts...unless the team plane goes down and he misses the flight he will get no meaningful minutes
not only is he fourth on the depth chart at his position but hes nowhere near nba ready...thad had a great amount of talent that could get him by...he just needed to learn the game...speights doesnt have off the charts talent or skills and doesnt know the game...thad has that and it allowed him to play multiple positions to get himself on the court speights can only play the four and he is fourth on the depth chart at that position...
the positive is that speights can now learn and practice against brand....but dont look for him until fall 09
I loved all the draft stuff about Speights being a poor mans Elton Brand, now the Sixers own both models
Quote from: King Cole on July 09, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
Speights won't play as much as Thad, but he'll definitely play some.
That's a really bold prediction. Let me try one.
Jason Smith won't play as much as Sam Dalembert, but he'll definitely play some.
Here are the other four players in the last 20 years besides Brand that have career averages of 20 points and 10 rebounds:
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
FF just beat me to the career stats. What outside veteran shooters are available?
Yours was more detailed, though.
The comments on the philly.com article are amusing. Like this one:
QuoteWe need Matt Geiger back to put us over the edge, heck we're probably still paying him.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 09, 2008, 01:47:07 PMWhat outside veteran shooters are available?
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 08, 2008, 10:59:19 PMSo now that they can only sign players for the vet minimum, here's some options:
Salim Stoudamire
Damon Stoudamire
Tyronn Lue
Juan Dixon
Dan Dickau
Jason Williams
Ricky Davis
Sebastian Telfair
Fred Jones
Pat Garrity
Eric Piatkowski
James Jones
Robert Horry
Michael Finley
Roger Mason
I hope Zendon Hamilton stays cool about Brand wearing his number. Shtein could get ugly
Never would have guessed that there were only 4 other players that have had career averages of 20/10 over the last 20 years. They all of course have championships, hopefully Brand will get one with Philly.
lot of those guys easy are gonna go for well above the vet minimum
the other chance they have of getting a two is to trade iguodala for someones starter...has anyone heard of any being available cause i havent
I would love if they were able to get Kelenna Azubuike from GS. Dude is all-around
QuoteIn the immediate aftermath of Elton Brand's reported signing with Philadelphia, Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski reports the Clippers had given the forward some sort of ultimatum, a move which might have angered E.B. and sent him into Thaddeus Young's waiting arms (via ClipsNation).
What had come to hurt the Clippers' chances of retaining Brand has been the organization's refusal to offer anything but a "take-it-or-leave-it" deal since Golden State made its $90-plus million offer. People close to Brand say that "it pissed him off," and made him question his original desire to stay a Clipper.
What strikes me on first glance -- wasn't the reported $70 million, five years offer from the Clips the max they could offer after reeling in Baron Davis? There has some dispute over whether the Clippers renounced Brand to sign Davis; if not, the Clippers could have offered a sixth year. However, there were reports last week that Brand wasn't after a sixth year. (There were also reports Brand's agent had set up L.A.'s Davis snatch to help get Brand a good team around him, but obviously that one wasn't so right.)
One more thing strikes me: how can it be about money when Brand takes $8 million less from the Sixers than he would have received from the Warriors? Brand's mad about the Clipper offer, but takes the one from Philly when Golden State is showing it values him more? It doesn't make any sense, unless Brand refused to consider Golden State for other reasons. This story should be fun to follow for a while.
Thanks Clippers
thank you clippers for sharhara brand
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Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 02:25:42 PM
lot of those guys easy are gonna go for well above the vet minimum
understood....I was just mentioning some of the guys that can hit a three more than once every 3 or 4 shots
Quotethe other chance they have of getting a two is to trade iguodala for someones starter...has anyone heard of any being available cause i havent
Michael Redd was mentioned although that's unlikely now
i heard gargano talking about redd the other day but i have never once heard it anywhere else...why would he be available
There were whispers weeks ago that he might want out and/or the Bucks may want to move him as a rebuilding move.
The Sixers have absolutely zero desire to move Iguodala as it seems right now though. I don't think there is any way he isn't a Sixer.
wouldnt redd be a better fit than igy? that would leave them a reserve 3 away from being possibly the 2nd best team in the east.
they are no question the best team in the east with redd and yes redd is a better fit for the team than iguodala but not a better player
Redd would be an awesome pick-up.
No way in hell they get him though. No way. If they do, I'll buy MDS a whore so he can see a real vagina for the first time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
they are no question the best team in the east with redd
Celtics say "Hi."
Quote from: Rome on July 09, 2008, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
they are no question the best team in the east with redd
Celtics say "Hi."
i think they would be better given their extra year of experience and the celtics having lost the desire for a first title and being a year older...however theres certainly a question about it
I'm a little concerned at how easily they're expecting Iguodala to take to the "2."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 09, 2008, 08:41:46 PM
Redd would be an awesome pick-up.
No way in hell they get him though. No way. If they do, I'll buy MDS a whore so he can see a real vagina for the first time.
Redd has like 3 yrs 50 left on his contract..no thanks
I am all for keeping IGGY, keeping the aggression this team has now and finding ways around getting another shooter for the vet min if possible. If they can swing Matt Carroll or JJ Reddick some how, Im on board
lets face it..with the players that are out there, and they way they play...the most you will get is on avg a 10 pt guy. No 2 guard coming in here from that list of players is shooting lights out
LOL
carroll makes to much
and lol @ jj reddick he farging blows
CSN DNL video clips for the out-of-towners:
Why he chose Philly (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070908-brand-philly.wmv)
Why he left LA (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070908-brand-clips.wmv)
Sammy D (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070908-brand-sammy.wmv)
"Philly Max" (from the press conference) (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/070908-brand-max.wmv)
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1783/brandsixersunisl8.png)
Goddamn I love those uniforms.
Are they the uniforms they are wearing now or is that just him in a throwback.
They had him holding that uni at the PC also, and it looks like that's the one they are giving away with season tickets. I don't think there's any way the team would actually go back to the 80s uniforms and logo, though it would make me happier than the Brand signing.
Every uniform they have had since then has been hideous.
And so this board's obsession with the fashion sense of our favorite teams continues. Women.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 10, 2008, 07:54:39 AM
Every uniform they have had since then has been hideous.
disgusting
if you take the following four uniforms you have the best uniform ever in each of the four major sports all from one city
(http://www.onlinesports.com/images/mn-six78r-6.gif)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Wt-W8w9YL._AA280_.jpg)
(http://www.mitchellandness.com/images/products/medium/FSPE92D59_W.jpg)
(http://www.mitchellandness.com/images/products/medium/HSPF75R07_W.jpg)
instead
the eagles have one of the worst in the leauge
ditto the sixers
phils and flyers are still good but the constant tweaking over the years has degraded them greatly
bring back throwback
that Flyers one is the new alternate next season
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 10, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
that Flyers one is the new alternate next season
for real?
thats awesome and somewhat lessons my anger at them for not having an orange jersey anymore
yea the sixers jersey is pretty ugly. they should bring those blue jerseys back, those were the worst.
It doesn't get any better than that Dr. J jersey. The Eagles kelly green was definitely better than what they have now, though I like the new Eagle head a lot more than the old Eagle.
It's nice that Philly FO and management isn't the ones bitching for a change.
Dunleavy whining about Brand pulling a LeCharles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3483045)
who are you gonna believe...donald sterlings team or elton brand....and even if brand changed his mind he can do whatever the hell he wants before the dotted line is signed
The telling part is that even Baron Davis says Brand never had a handshake deal with him to go back to LA.
that and as i said its farging donald sterling...the team might have the benefit of the doubt here if it was almost any other owner involved
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 11, 2008, 02:38:47 PM
The telling part is that even Baron Davis says Brand never had a handshake deal with him to go back to LA.
Brand was on Comcast after and said that Baron Davis said, "go get that money...cause I just farging did." (yep, he said farging)
Great article from Phil Sheridan on Brand opting for Philly over L.A.:
QuotePhil Sheridan: Sorry, L.A., but you get no sympathy from Philly
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Sports Columnist
The great player.
The dysfunctional franchise.
The ugly breakup.
The change of scenery.
Philadelphia is all-too-familiar with this all-too-common tale. This is the city that watched Reggie White, Keith Jackson and Seth Joyner leave the Eagles to escape from former owner Norman Braman. This is the city that watched Charles Barkley and then Allen Iverson reach their expiration dates as contented members of the 76ers.
This is the city that watched Curt Schilling and Scott Rolen talk their way out of Phillies uniforms and on to World Series winners, that watched J.D. Drew do the same without ever actually putting on a Phillies uniform.
This is the city that exulted over the arrival of Eric Lindros, then exhaled, exhausted, at his exit.
Most recently, and perhaps most traumatically, there was the whole episode with that petulant Eagles wide receiver. What was his name again?
We've been dumped by Hall of Famers and all-stars and MVPs.
And so the lovely people of Los Angeles will just have to excuse us if we welcome Elton Brand to town without a second thought or a trace of guilt.
For once, we're benefiting from the breakup rather than feeling all broken up. For once, we're on the receiving end of the roster upgrade rather than the receiving end of the gut punch.
Out in the City of Angels, there is much angst and anger over the way Brand left the woebegone Clippers to sign with the Sixers. Clips coach Mike Dunleavy went all "CSI: Los Angeles" at a news conference this week, using text messages and marked-up documents to make the case that Brand and his agent, David Falk, left the Clippers in the lurch.
Three time zones to the east, Brand and Falk told reporters here that the Clippers had alienated their franchise player during negotiations. First, Dunleavy offered what Falk termed an "ultimatum" - a take-it-or-leave-it contract. Then, adding insult, Dunleavy supposedly made it known that Clippers owner Donald Sterling would be equally happy to learn that Brand had declined the offer.
There's no telling where the truth is. Dunleavy is an NBA veteran whose word deserves to be respected. Brand is, by all accounts and certainly by first impression, a terrific and all-around delightful chap.
On the flip side, there is Sterling, who has a Braman-esque reputation as an owner. And there is Falk, a power broker whose entry into the Wachovia Center's Hall of Fame room was marked by a distinct whiff of sulfur.
Is it possible the Clippers were overconfident that Brand would take whatever deal they offered once they signed his friend Baron Davis? It is.
Is it possible Falk manipulated the situation to stick it to the Clippers? It is.
Is it possible Brand made a tough decision, leaving a franchise where he was The Man to come back East, and overdid it a bit when asked to justify it? It is.
For what it's worth, Brand seemed sincere. Something in his negotiation with the Clippers made him believe that he was relieved of any responsibility to re-sign with the team. Whether that something was an error or oversight by the Clippers, or a Jedi mind trick by Falk, is unknowable.
Blaming the agent isn't just easy, it's usually accurate. Ask Drew Rosenhaus.
Is it possible Sixers fans don't give a hoot or a holler about the sordid details? Oh, yes, it is very possible.
They are still waiting for thank-you cards from the Phoenix Suns, who got Barkley for three guys named Moe. (Or was that three guys who played for Doug Moe?)
Philadelphia fans still bear the scars of watching Reggie carry the Lombardi Trophy around Lambeau Field, of Schilling's bloody-sock heroics for the bloody Sox, of seeing No. 81 with the star on his helmet run under Tony Romo passes.
If anyone from Green Bay or Boston or Dallas ever formally apologized to Philadelphia, I missed it.
After all, it isn't as if the Sixers actively undermined the Clippers. They were going about their business, hiring a limousine to take Josh Smith around town, when Brand made the somewhat-surprising decision to opt out of his contract. It wasn't until things broke down between Brand and the Clippers (or Falk and the Clippers) that the Sixers saw their opening.
That's when Ed Stefanski and his staff started moving furniture and contracts around to free up as much cap space as possible to lure Brand. It was this effort - what Brand and Falk dubbed "the Phillymax" offer - that persuaded Brand to come to Philadelphia and anchor the Sixers.
For once, it was the Philadelphia team that swooped in and took advantage of someone else's woes.
For once, Philadelphia was the destination instead of the departure point.
Sorry, L.A., but we'll take it.
Herb Hill was arrested for DUI.
Summer league game vs Warriors:
Thad had 27 points 6 boards
Speights 22 points, 13 boards
Solid.
summer league means a little less than spring training and a little more than a pick up game at the Y....but stil those are indeed solid numbers...especially for moreese
Obviously it doesn't matter much but it's good to see the guys who should be dominating are.
they matter more than anything has ever mattered ever about anything ever of all time in the history of the world ever
Marc Stein of ESPN reporting that the LA Clippers are expanding their interest of Josh Smith and Charlotte's Emeka Okafor to Chicago's Luol Deng and, yes, Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala.
ha...lose Brand to pick-up IGGY...yep..makes sense. Go spiteful Clips!
word on the street is the Sixers are in talks with Houston about a trade acquiring Steve Novak. If true, his salary would work perfectly for the Sixers at $795,000.
dude definitely requires a hand in his face if he's on the floor...exactly what this team could use
its way too quiet in Sixerland--somethings going down
I have to ask you Reese - Where do you get your info from?
"Word on the street" & "According to sources..." just doesnt do it for me w/o some backup.
other messageboards
ha.
it's funny that the majority of the time "word on the street" means word on the boards.
first little glimpse of Maureese Speights:
I personally never saw dude play, but looking at some of his skills--particularly his little fade-away and baby hook, he could develop nicely into the season. I know its the summer-league, but at 6'10--half the shots wouldnt be touched anyway no matter who was guarding him. I dig him
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mGOfFDPp00E (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mGOfFDPp00E)
god i hate when people say its just summer league or its only preseason BUT the guy is good...whatever you thought of him three weeks ago when he was drafted is what you should think of him now
for the record i watched their last two games and what im most impressed with is his physique and hustle...i was possibly expecting him to be out of shape because of the rumors of his laziness...but he actually looks a lot more cut and lean than in college
thats the thing--I didnt know what to think when he was drafted
His hustle--no question, but Im not impressed with his physique at all. When you say physique, Im thinking muscle and make-up of his body. He can be cut all he wants, but dude is still a twig at 6'10, and he will get beat down by alot of PF's in the post, hence his reason for taking outside jumpers on the offensive.
The best part about his game (just from those clips) is he plays long, got a nice little handle in the post and he can run like a mother
how many pf's in the league are gonna beat him down?...there arent anymore charles oakleys in the league and one of them is on his team...it started moving away from the bruiser pf a while ago...in fact one of the reasons i liked speights compared to all the other big men in this draft was because he wasnt a stick like most of them and had maybe the most ready nba body
Sixers sign Royal Ivey
boring-but it can never hurt to have a taller guard that can match up and D the perimeter
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080724_Sixers_reach_agreement_with_free-agent_Ivey.html (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080724_Sixers_reach_agreement_with_free-agent_Ivey.html)
(http://m1.2mdn.net/viewad/1403607/300x600-76ers-080722.jpg)
That's awesome.
Eskin said on Sports Final that the Sixers will sign Kareem Rush
He can knock down a jumper.
very good signing if it happens.
Good move but how are they going to afford him?
trade Brand to the clippers
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 28, 2008, 10:17:43 AM
Good move but how are they going to afford him?
they can sign guys for the vet minimum
hes a solid piece but a bench player. i was looking for a legit 2 to start, which they just wont be getting i guess.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 28, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 28, 2008, 10:17:43 AM
Good move but how are they going to afford him?
they can sign guys for the vet minimum
I thought Rush would take more than the vet minimun. I guess since he's been out there this long I'm wrong.
how could they get a legit 2 to start? where would iggy play? you want Thad off the bench?
stop being such a dumb jew.
igy and thad are both 3's. starting both of them is going to result in a brick fest.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 28, 2008, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 28, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 28, 2008, 10:17:43 AM
Good move but how are they going to afford him?
they can sign guys for the vet minimum
I thought Rush would take more than the vet minimun. I guess since he's been out there this long I'm wrong.
hes a three point shooter who doesnt shoot the three particularly well and blows at every other aspect of the game...cant imagine there would be a huge market for that
I guess IGY's disapproval basically proves it's a done deal?
im not against getting him...i really dont care either way...its an irrelevant move...im just saying hes not good enough to have teams lining up to acquire him
he was excellent in college tho
and there's a youtube of him hitting 6 threes in a conference final game against Minnesota so there's that
rush made 1 more three pointer than iguadola did last year but played less than half as many minutes.
so there!
If this is true..I dont see how Rush signs for just the vet min. There has to be something else thrown in there
Dude is 6'6, doesn't play too good of D, has no handle but can hit the J. Sounds like a Korver to me, minus a big man in the middle (Brand) that can play inside-out. Watch him become a fan favorite
hes not even close to as good as korver...hes a middle of the pack 3 pt shooter...certainly better than anything they have...but pump your brakes with him...to be considered a top echelon 3 pt shooter you gotta at least be in the 40's % wise...something rush has never done and has a career % of 36
you're hysterical--
Who cares about about his career-I care about last year, opportunities and progression. Rush attempted 262 3-point shots last year to Korvers 296.
Rush 07-08
PPG 8.3
RPG 2.4
APG 1.3
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.401
FT% 0.714
3P% 0.389
MPG 21.2
Korver 07-08
PPG 9.9
RPG 2.3
APG 1.3
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.443
FT% 0.915
3P% 0.375
MPG 23.1
Value for the money is better than Korver.
No question-but there is a reason Rush has gotten thrown around the league-he is a liability on the defensive side and his hustle has been questioned
As you're now arguing against yourself, have fun with that.
no its because hes not that good...kover gets blanketed and is someone that people talk about in pre game meetings...dont let him loose...rush is certainly someone who can knock down an open shot but hes not someone you game plan for like the best three point shooters
dude--youre giving Korver way too much credit. He's not even close to the best 3pt shooter. He was ranked 47th in attempted 3pt shots and 58th in 3pt % last year. Sure he can hit a 3, but nobody is game-planning for that
im not speaking on korver and i certainly never said he was the best three point shooter in the nba...im trying to help you with your amazement that kareem rush cant get more than the vet minimum
that said youre an idiot if you dont think korver is marked more than him...unless youre talking about in lithuania
...and Im trying to help you realize that Korver is an avg 3 pt shooter, and Rush could very well be more of a threat on this team than Korver was when he was here because of the inside game now...youre an idiot if you dont think that
In basketball, tie goes to the black guy, or certainly "Kareem" over "Kyle."
Quote from: reese125 on July 29, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
Rush could very well be more of a threat on this team than Korver was when he was here
well he
could be reggie miller
bottom line is that its straight comedy how you cant understand why a guy whos been on more teams than kevin ollie and has had to go to europe to get a job could only get the vet minimum
whats it matter anyway IGY-Sammy is one of the best centers in the league, Brand is a cripple, Rush blows
I mean--its always a pleasure buddy. peace
I agree with IGY pretty much. For the vet minimum, Rush is as good of a signing as you are going to get pretty much. But he is a really average player and doesn't do much else besides shoot, and he isn't that great of a shooter. He's good, but nothing special.
Not even close to Korver. Korver has a way quicker release and can pull up off-balance off of screens without even looking at up at the rim. Plus I believe this recent season was the worst 3 point shooting season of his career. Just a weird year for him.
Nobody said the vet minimum is a bad signing--its a fantastic signing for him at that price. His only job will be to come off screens and make jumpers--thats all he needs to do--serve as a utility player off the bench, accept the role and run with it.
Keep in mind here before you judge:
--1st team, played for the Lakers when needed (championship team with a deep bench) and shot the ball well when inserted
--Lakers trade him for 2 futures
--he played a starter role for Charlotte in 05 at 26/min game and played very well for them. He had a falling out with Bickerstaff and they rolled him
--then he goes to Seattle and hurts his MCL-done for season. 2 of Seattles forwards get hurt, they need to make room, so they let Rush go
--MVP or or some shtein over in the Euro-league
--Indiana gets him, and I already went thru the stats there, contract runs out and Sixers pick him up
Bottom line, you cant judge this guy purely on the fact that he has been with multiple teams. Christ... James Posey has been on 8 teams already, with major minutes and with the most horrendous numbers...now look--$6.5 million/yr later. Nice move by Ed Stef.
I don't think IGY was saying it was a bad move. He was just saying that it is good for the vet minimum, but don't get carried away like he is this huge steal. For the vet minimum it is an excellent signing, but for much more, it really isn't worth it.
yeah its fine move...cant any signing for the vet minimum really be a bad move?
but to take attention away from his idiocy reese makes up all kinds of side things i supposedly said
ie
"rush sucks"
"korver is the best three point shooter in the league"
ect
btw reese rush doesnt come off screens like korver.....he can occasionally do it but hes more of a spot up shooter...youre not gonna see plays called for him...
oh its not making anything up kid--you have a profound way of twisting your negative projections into good ones, making yourself look good in the end when things go well. That's why I love you
never said anything remotely negative about the move...the entire time i was trying to school you on why he wasnt getting more than the vet minimum...trying to educate you is where i went wrong...i dont even know why i try
Quotehes a three point shooter who doesnt shoot the three particularly well and blows at every other aspect of the game...cant imagine there would be a huge market for that
you feeling dumb yet?
just stop now
Go Magic.
Quote from: reese125 on July 30, 2008, 08:26:04 AM
Quotehes a three point shooter who doesnt shoot the three particularly well and blows at every other aspect of the game...cant imagine there would be a huge market for that
you feeling dumb yet?
just stop now
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2008, 08:06:11 AM
never said anything remotely negative about the move...the entire time i was trying to school you on why he wasnt getting more than the vet minimum
HEY... one more time for the little people out there with bad vision:
Quotebut to take attention away from his idiocy reese makes up all kinds of side things i supposedly said
ie
"rush sucks"
Quotehes a three point shooter who doesnt shoot the three particularly well and blows at every other aspect of the game...cant imagine there would be a huge market for that
again i was schooling you on what kind of player rush is and that the kind of player he is does not draw a large market...hence the reason he signed for the vet minimum..why cant you process things like every other person on this board...seriously and i dont mean this as a diss...im definitely sympathetic if its the case...but do you have some sort of learning disability??
i mean christ even cole understood
if not try one more time and show where i said in any small way something negative about the MOVE...meaning the signing of kareem rush was bad
NOT something like this
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2008, 06:14:23 AM
yeah its fine move
YOU CANT BE POSITIVE ABOUT THE MOVE WHEN YOU THINK A PLAYER BLOWS!
Jesus H Christ man....you were wrong, you sound dumb...now move on
follow the bouncing ball...
a team getting a player who is a "decent shooter" and blows at "everything else" for the "vet minimum" is a "fine move"
I want you for my kids 1st birthday party--you available in 2 weeks?
theres no chance any girl let you put your fishies inside her
I guess you haven't talked to your mother in a while huh
Rush signing official (http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/76ers_sign_rush_080729.html)
Ironically, we seemed to miss this step.
thats cause everyone knew about it two days ago and it became official yesterday
Let's not fight, honey.
sorry snookie
The Bulls were a major factor here giving Deng that inflated-ass contract.
As expected, per CSN... IGGY is now asking for 6yr/75 million deal. Wow....he loooves asking for 5 million more. I wouldnt doubt he gets it based on reports of Brand and him this season.
LOL
6 & 75 for Iguodala is sheer lunacy. The NBA is a joke.
Quote from: reese125 on July 30, 2008, 09:26:33 PM
The Bulls were a major factor here giving Deng that inflated-ass contract.
As expected, per CSN... IGGY is now asking for 6yr/75 million deal. Wow....he loooves asking for 5 million more. I wouldnt doubt he gets it based on reports of Brand and him this season.
lol @ you
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=12745.msg573420#msg573420
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2008, 03:54:41 PM
anyone who doesnt think andre can get at least 5 years at 60 million in the offseason is buggin...make sure you post agent zeros blog next august after iguodala signs
ummm...not sure what you are getting at and why you took your shovel out to find that-unless of course to try and pat yourself on the back as usual
Just so you know, I like IGGY never said otherwise, but its still alot of money for a guy that is a complimentary player and who is not a legit shooter...and thanks to Dengs offer--we could be getting IGGY for 10 million less than what he is asking
Now you are paying him more than Ginobli, R. Hamilton, Jason Richardson, Kevin Martin and almost Dwayne Wade who is playing at 14 million this year--legit scorers
you were insistent that iguodala was a dumb farg for turning down 57 million and that he wouldnt get that much come his FA....i tried numerous times to tell you he would get at least 60 mil if not more...your idiocy cannot be pointed out enough
thanks for playing
ha...insistent? I posted an Arenas blog and then said he wont get the max. Then you tried numerous numerous times to tell me he can get more because I was SO insistent. I gotcha stretch
Keep in mind too Arnold Drummond--that there is still a slight chance that Ed Stef goes lower than that request, the 2 dont meet, and he plays for the year on the qualifying offer
speak not of which you dont know
The two of you were made for each other.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
speak not of which you dont know
Listen, I just found out the party starts Sunday next week at 4pm. If you want--just come through the back door and if you need to--you can change into your costume upstairs
My little girl is farging psyched. Thanks again man
Jasner reporting the Sixers signed Lou Williams to a 5 year deal
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20080731_Sixers__Williams_agree_on_5-year_deal.html)
Apparently 5 years for $25M.
a fantastic signing for exactly what he is worth.
you know if that was Billy K--5yrs 40 million..no question
Paying market value for something = fantastic!
Seriously - if you're going to provide commentary, please make it less laughable. Thanks.
exactly my point genius.
but thanks for making your comment even more laughable. I needed that before I went to bed
sweet. this is going to be a silly team to watch next year. even if they're no gong to be the best, they're going to be one of the most fun to watch.
coming out in October:
(http://spawn.com/toys/basketball/nbalegends4/jerving2/images/nbalegends4_jerving2_photo_01_dp.jpg)
better than the one that was released 3 years ago:
(http://spawn.com/toys/basketball/nbalegends1/jerving/images/nbalegends1_jerving_photo_01_dp.jpg)
and I don't remember if it was mentioned but this one was released last year:
(http://spawn.com/toys/basketball/nbalegends3/mmalone/images/nbalegends3_mmalone_photo_01_dp.jpg)
come on easy check yourself
the 3 yr ago dr j is way better than the new one...its not even close
but moses rules all....hes a top 5 all time philly athlete and maybe my biggest childhood hero
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2008, 12:59:07 AM
the 3 yr ago dr j is way better than the new one...its not even close
Fro > No Fro... agreed
but
Red unis > ALL
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2008, 12:59:07 AM
come on easy check yourself
the 3 yr ago dr j is way better than the new one...its not even close
but moses rules all....hes a top 5 all time philly athlete and maybe my biggest childhood hero
This video has igy written all over it: Kurtis Blow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kgjv9NVLms)
schedule is out....
http://www.nba.com/sixers/schedule/
nice easy April, huh
they should be able to come out of october and november with a really good record.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 04, 2008, 09:42:35 AM
This video has igy written all over it: Kurtis Blow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kgjv9NVLms)
kurtis blow is a dj on the backspin channel, late 80s early 90s hip hop, on sirius. was listening to him yesterday and he seems to be a big phillies fan.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 06, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
they should be able to come out of october and november with a really good record.
i feel so bad for the rest of the nba
for real, i was thinking about getting one of those 43 games flex passes because the bandwagon is gonna get full halfway through the season when people realize they're for real.
and the new sixers design is nice...
(http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/six_0809_masthead_944.jpg)
Quote from: phattymatty on August 06, 2008, 05:08:12 PM
for real, i was thinking about getting one of those 43 games flex passes because the bandwagon is gonna get full halfway through the season when people realize they're for real.
what makes you think people dont think they are for rizza now?
last year playoffs, Brand this year....getcha yourself some
people are stupid.
Philly isn't a basketball town, the sooner you all realize this the better.
I hope they kill in merchandise sales this year with the old style logo and go back to it permanently. Unless they have and I missed it somewhere. LOL
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 04, 2008, 12:34:33 AM
better than the one that was released 3 years ago:
(http://spawn.com/toys/basketball/nbalegends1/jerving/images/nbalegends1_jerving_photo_01_dp.jpg)
crazy talk, edward....that johnson is dope & i happen to have one.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 06, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
Philly isn't a basketball town, the sooner you all realize this the better.
nonsense....its probably the best basketball town in the world outside of ny and chicago
incredible high school legacy to the big five to the sixers...classic material
edit: i should note that if you meant to say in response to matty that sixer regular season tickets wont be hard to get then youre correct
It's not an NBA basketball town. It never has been and never will be. College basketball? Sure. NBA - nobody gives a shtein.
Say word.
do you try and hurt me?
i care
in fact if i had to rank the philly teams in order it would be
1a sixers
1b phillies
1c eagles
1d flyers
There are a higher percentage of black guys on the Eagles than there are on the Phillies. You sure that list is correct?
An Eagles player breaks wind in the offseason and it's front page news. The Sixers acquire Elton Brand and it barely registers a blip on the radar screen.
I'm not saying the Sixers don't have their fans. They do. Especially when they're winning.
But the Eagles own the city and the surrounding region. To suggest otherwise is plainly silly.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 06, 2008, 07:43:50 PM
There are a higher percentage of black guys on the Eagles than there are on the Phillies. You sure that list is correct?
i root for the name on the front of the jersey not the color of the skin...ya heard?
Laundry?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 06, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
Philly isn't a basketball town, the sooner you all realize this the better.
nonsense....its probably the best basketball town in the world outside of ny and chicago
incredible high school legacy to the big five to the sixers...classic material
edit: i should note that if you meant to say in response to matty that sixer regular season tickets wont be hard to get then youre correct
They had the second worst home attendance two seasons ago and they couldn't sell out a game 6 playoff game. The Wac was half full (if that) for 75% of the season. I know you think their not having a chance to win hurt attendance but if that's the bums/birds/flyers they sell out. There is a correlation between the two as far as attendance goes.
And yes I meant Philly is not an NBA town, it's outstanding for College and High School hoops.
As far as this city goes it's:
Eagles
Flyers
Bums
Sixers
oh theres no doubt about the tickets...its way to much of a white blue collar town to fully support a bunch of rich black guys who are percieved as all being criminals making 10 million bucks a year to run up and down a court...its why a sixers game is the only philly sporting event that will not contain the obese jort rocking alcoholic fanbase
you also have 90% of the black population of the city unable to afford to go to things like sporting events
that said all things equal the sixers will almost always easily beat the flyers in tv ratings
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 07:53:19 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 06, 2008, 07:43:50 PM
There are a higher percentage of black guys on the Eagles than there are on the Phillies. You sure that list is correct?
i root for the name on the front of the jersey not the color of the skin...ya heard?
Holler.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 08:29:06 PM
oh theres no doubt about the tickets...its way to much of a white blue collar town to fully support a bunch of rich black guys who are percieved as all being criminals making 10 million bucks a year to run up and down a court...its why a sixers game is the only philly sporting event that will not contain the obese jort rocking alcoholic fanbase
you also have 90% of the black population of the city unable to afford to go to things like sporting events
that said all things equal the sixers will almost always easily beat the flyers in tv ratings
Where's MDS when we need him? We need those ratings, kid.
werd where is dookie
tell the da mayor to send out the sammy davis jr signal
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 08:29:06 PM
oh theres no doubt about the tickets...its way to much of a white blue collar town to fully support a bunch of rich black guys who are percieved as all being criminals making 10 million bucks a year to run up and down a court...its why a sixers game is the only philly sporting event that will not contain the obese jort rocking alcoholic fanbase
you also have 90% of the black population of the city unable to afford to go to things like sporting events
that said all things equal the sixers will almost always easily beat the flyers in tv ratings
They support the Eagles, which is 75% full of rich black guys.
Locally the Sixers beat the Flyers in TV ratings? I don't know about that.
I can't wait for the season.
Any updates on Iggy's contract?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 06, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
Any updates on Iggy's contract?
Did you hear? They signed Elton Brand!
yeah but the nba doesnt have any john runyans andy harmons or kevin turners...but its not all about color either...football is a blue collar sport...warriors on the gridiron spilling blood in the trenches...football was made for their audience...nba not so much
and the sixers def outdraw the flyers on tv...they did last year and they will even more so this year with brand
Jason Smith...the token gritty white guy.
Jeff Hornacek used to crack me up. Like they;d come out with hairspray and gel in their hair to keep the wall street part working
Comparing the first playoff series of each team:
2008 Sixers: (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmtpi/is_200805/ai_n25388106)
QuoteThe team's viewership has averaged 102,000 households for the playoffs.
2008 Flyers: (http://daily.phanaticmag.com/2008/04/flyers-tv-ratings-soar.html)
QuoteThe five games of the quarterfinal series against the Capitals, airing on Comcast SportsNet, averaged a 6.2 rating (184,000 households).
2008 regular season average:
Sixers: 42,000 households
Flyers: 66,000 households
Was just coming to post but thanks for saving me the trouble QB
i had read the sixers were 3.3 and the flyers 2.8
where do you see the capitals flyers ratings in that article?...can you print the whole thing...id be interested to see how the caps series rated against the pistons series since the canadian series was a second round matchup and thus isnt equal
either way thats interesting since the sixers have always outrated he flyers...i would still bet they do this year now that the teams are on even ground...the flyers coming off a successful playoff run and the sixers coming off a huge offseason
QuotePHILADELPHIA, PA (April 23, 2008) - Comcast SportsNet's coverage of last night's game seven of the Flyers-Capitals series made Comcast SportsNet the second-most watched program on either broadcast or cable, behind only ABC, in the Philadelphia market between 7 p.m. and 10:15 p.m. in overall households, and Comcast SportsNet was the top-rated network in several highly-sought advertising demographics including persons aged 18-49, males aged 18-34 and males aged 25-54. Comcast SportsNet's Flyers coverage out-rated FOX's powerhouse American Idol from 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. and ABC's perennial success Dancing with the Stars from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. in each of these categories.
Comcast SportsNet's Flyers coverage delivered an average household rating of 8.5 (252,000 households) and peaked with an 11.5 rating (342,000 households) from 10 p.m. to 10:15 p.m. when the Flyers clinched the series in overtime. At that time Comcast SportsNet was the most watched network in the Philadelphia market.
Comcast SportsNet's post game coverage, Flyers Post Game Live, drew a 3.0 rating (89,000 households), a 200% increase over regular season post game ratings.
The five games of the quarterfinal series against the Capitals, airing on Comcast SportsNet, averaged a 6.2 rating (184,000 households). Comcast SportsNet's regular season Flyers coverage averaged a 2.2 rating, a 47% increase over last season.
Also here (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/16/local-tv-ratings-for-nhl-jump-for-washington-capitals-and-philadelphia-flyers/3374) where you can see how comparatively pathetic the Caps ratings were.
Regular season I never linked to for the Flyers, but it's here. (http://daily.phanaticmag.com/2008/05/comcast-announces-flyers-conference.html)
i actually found it...but they only give game seven ratings for the caps flyers...also someone find the flyer regular season ratings...id be interested to see how much they beat the sixers by...that would go a ways towards telling if the sixers will overtake them this year...provided both teams are as good as they could be...iverson leaving has really hurt the sixers...i cant believe how bad their ratings have gotten...it used to not be close
flyers were 2.2 reg season...i dont know where i saw 2.8...sixers must have been like a 1.8
for comparison sake the sixers used to regularly be in the threes with iverson...so you can see how much his loss has hurt them
The Eagles and Flyers always have tons of hardcore fans, even when they suck. The Phillies and Sixers only do well when people feel they are putting out an interesting product.
The Sixers product people liked most in recent years were the Iverson/Brown/Croce teams that reinvigorated the franchise and brought them to the Finals. It felt like the team had an attitude and a lust to win. Moves like bringing in Webber have brought in temporary interest since then, but even before Iverson left, last year's ratings were sucking horribly. This year they were up significantly and I expect that to continue next year, though I would bet that the Flyers remain the bigger draw.
i would be shocked this year if the sixers were good and didnt outdraw the flyers...and i dont mean if the flyers suck...but if they both play well
Well, the configuration of the arena would allow for the Sixers to outdraw the Flyers but other than the year of the blue snow when Iverson led them to the Finals, I doubt there was a year in the last 40 that the Sixers outdrew the Flyers.
I do remember 17,177 at the Spectrum for about 18 straight years, though. Guess who drew those people night after night?
The ArenaBowl (which was on network TV) did better than any Sixers playoff game this year. That's pretty farged up.
im talking about tv ratings rome...weve already discussed the reasons why they dont sell as many tickets
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 06, 2008, 09:55:16 PM
The ArenaBowl (which was on network TV) did better than any Sixers playoff game this year. That's pretty farged up.
soul fans are pathetic...as we speak scientists continue to explore the reason for their existance
Hahaha.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
im talking about tv ratings rome...weve already discussed the reasons why they dont sell as many tickets
The Sixers have a mascot.
The end.
The Flyers have that fat guy with the orange T that dances
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01WL459d2f2Pz/610x.jpg)
Win. Close thread.
ok ok calm down nerds.
the flyers out drew the sixers this year because the sixers were so under the radar and no one much cared about them nor could name a player on the team besides igy.
when iverson was here it wasnt even close, and if the brand signing works out it wont be close again. basketball is played by just about everyone the city. hockey is played by a small percentage of middle to upper class white folk. the two sports arent even on the same wave length of popularity in this city or the country.
I wonder how many tries it took Howard to hold on to that ball?
Quote from: MDS on August 06, 2008, 11:21:45 PM
ok ok calm down nerds.
the flyers out drew the sixers this year because the sixers were so under the radar and no one much cared about them nor could name a player on the team besides igy.
when iverson was here it wasnt even close, and if the brand signing works out it wont be close again. basketball is played by just about everyone the city. hockey is played by a small percentage of middle to upper class white folk. the two sports arent even on the same wave length of popularity in this city or the country.
The Flyers always sell out, even when they were terrible a season ago they still packed the house. The Sixers can barely fill the Wac for a playoff game. I realize you're in your early 20's meaning you've maybe been closely following Philly sports for a decade, during which time the Sixers had one of their most exciting runs with Iverson, but even in the mid to late 80's when my pops would drag me to Flyers and Sixers games the Flyers always had a packed house while the sixers struggled with attendance. Barkley years were sort of like the AI years, the Sixers were very good for a few years, Barkley was worth the price of admission, once he was traded the arena went back to being half full. The Flyers have consistently packed the house, win or lose. It has nothing to do with the white/black thing either as TV ratings support the Flyers as well. Unless you're going to tell me next that black people can't afford a TV.
history says tv ratings wont support tho if all things are equal...perhaps that has changed...well see this year like i said with brand and if the sixers are good i would be very surprised if they didnt outrate the flyers on television
and when both are at the top of their game the sixers are bigger amongst the ENTIRE city...the sixers championship run in 01 was so much bigger than the flyers run in 97 it wasnt even funny
the flyers have a much stronger base of fans than the sixers...a base that will support no matter how bad the flyers are...theres no question the flyers have better fans but the sixers have more fans
Quote from: Rome on August 06, 2008, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
im talking about tv ratings rome...weve already discussed the reasons why they dont sell as many tickets
The Sixers have a mascot.
The end.
i miss lil g so much...greatest mascot ever
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 06, 2008, 11:53:20 PM
I wonder how many tries it took Howard to hold on to that ball?
Ha!
sure, the flyers outdrew the sixers in attendance & had better tv ratings....but i still think the sixers are more popular. just you wait & see!
and if they're not, it's because of racism!
maybe if you and your pennsyltucky brethren werent so scared of field negros the sixers would be more popular
sorry to dispell your sterotypes, racebaiter...but i despise hockey & love the sixers.
wrong again.
sure you do...but if true its a way of manifesting your self hate
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2008, 10:34:59 AM
sure you do...but if its true its your way of manifesting your self hate
of all people, i don't think you should be the one bringing up self hate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2008, 08:07:15 AMi miss lil g so much...greatest mascot ever
remember this show? (http://www.foxreality.com/show.php?id=1098)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2008, 08:06:13 AM
history says tv ratings wont support tho if all things are equal...perhaps that has changed...well see this year like i said with brand and if the sixers are good i would be very surprised if they didnt outrate the flyers on television
and when both are at the top of their game the sixers are bigger amongst the ENTIRE city...the sixers championship run in 01 was so much bigger than the flyers run in 97 it wasnt even funny
the flyers have a much stronger base of fans than the sixers...a base that will support no matter how bad the flyers are...theres no question the flyers have better fans but the sixers have more fans
made my point for me. generally all hockey teams have a supportive, devote cult following of around 20k that care more about the hockey team than any other sport put together. the same goes for philly. but besides that, generally the fan base is very casual to mild.
hockey is a niche sport, basketball is arguably the most popular sport in the city. when you stroll out around the way you either see boys ballin it up in parks or doin the same in rec centers and gyms. it dont matter the time of year, people always play basketball.
Playing basketball and watching basketball are two very different things.
Trust me. I might actually be worse at basketball than you are at women.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
Playing basketball and watching basketball are two very different things.
Trust me. I might actually be worse at basketball than you are at women.
yup
I'm not arguing which sport is more popular in the city of Philadelphia, I'm arguing that the Flyers are more popular than the Sixers.
they play into each other.
more people grow up playing basketball in this city than hockey. so with that, more people are generally going to care and have an interest in the local basketball team more so than the local hockey team.
plus, as igy mentioned, in 2001 the city was off the charts with sixers mania. so much more so than flyers mania in 1997 or even the ec finals run last year and in 2004 or 05 against tampa.
the phillies august series against the mets last year was perhaps bigger than the flyers entire postseason run.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
Playing basketball and watching basketball are two very different things.
Trust me. I might actually be worse at basketball than you are at women.
yup
I'm not arguing which sport is more popular in the city of Philadelphia, I'm arguing that the Flyers are more popular than the Sixers.
i think we are arguing different things...youre arguing fervency and im arguing total numbers...anyway i agree that flyer fans are more passionate but there are definitely more sixer fans
Shut up, all of you.
Anyone else hear/read that Jason Smith had major knee damage in a pick up game yesterday and could be done for the season?
I heard it happened when he was fly-fishing for trout in Patagonia.
No confirmation yet, though. Still working on it.
jason smith booms the box and is to legit to quit
moe larry curly shemp and the other dood
one fewer white guy = that much closer to championship
real talk
Breaking Sports News
Sixers center Jason Smith suffers injury to left knee
Posted 11:29am
Philadelphia, PA – August 8, 2008 – Philadelphia 76ers President and General Manager Ed Stefanski announced today that center Jason Smith suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) in his left knee during normal basketball activity on Wednesday.
shouldnt the 8th or 9th best player on your roster be completely replaceable?
Speights is on his way.
hopefully speights is ready to play this season...smith would've given them some good minutes off the bench.
also heard they're talking to magloire & theo ratliff about signing for the vet min to back up at center.
I wouldn't mind Ratliff at the vet minimun, I didn't think he was too bad last season.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080809_Sixers__Smith_tears_knee.html
more confirmation
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3532139
Holy farging shtein.
Six yrs/$80 Million for IGGY.
:o
QuoteSources: Iguodala agrees to six-year, $80 million deal with Sixers
By Henry Abbott
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: August 12, 2008, 7:14 PM ET
The Philadelphia 76ers and restricted free agent Andre Iguodala have agreed to a six-year, $80 million contract, league sources tell ESPN.com.
The athletic and exciting 6-6 forward/guard has improved his scoring average in each of his first four seasons, and promises to be a mainstay on a Sixers team that recently signed former Clipper big man Elton Brand to an estimated $82 million free agent contract.
Point guard Andre Miller, center Samuel Dalembert, and promising bench players like Thaddeus Young and Louis Williams make the Sixers an emergent force in the East. The young team managed to extend the Detroit Pistons to six games in the opening round of this year's playoffs -- and that was even before they added one of the NBA's best post scorers in Brand. Now the Sixers will be a popular pick to join the league's elite for many years to come.
If the Sixers had not been able to sign Iguodala, the 24-year-old could have played this season for them after signing a qualifying offer, which would have made him an unrestricted free agent next summer. In that scenario, the Sixers could have lost their most exciting young star without any compensation.
Iguodala and the team had an opportunity to work out a contract extension last summer but could not come to an agreement. Talks this offseason moved slowly until the last 24 hours, when, sources say, the team significantly increased their offer.
Although the basic terms of the deal have been agreed to, the new contract has yet to be finalized and signed.
76ers president and general manager Ed Stefanski took over a franchise on the wane last December, replacing the fired Billy King. The franchise had been the talk of the NBA as recently as 2001, when Allen Iverson and Larry Brown took the organization on a thrill-ride to the NBA Finals where they briefly held a lead in the series against the Los Angeles Lakers.
However, upon Stefanski's arrival, Iverson had long since been traded to Denver, and the remaining pieces in Philadelphia were unproven. Stefanski encouraged coach Maurice Cheeks to play some of the young bench players King had drafted, in part to help Stefanski assess their value as he made long-term plans. To many people's surprise, the young players played impressively and the team began to win, managing to atone for a 5-12 start with a 40-42 record and the seventh seed in the East.
Against the Pistons in the first round, the team recaptured some of the optimism that had been missing for the last several years. Iguodala did not distinguish himself in the series, shooting just 33 percent from the field while averaging more than four turnovers per game behind the defensive pressure of Detroit's Tayshaun Prince. Nevertheless, his negotiating power with the team had increased thanks to the team's strong finish in the regular season, and then the signing of Brand.
The long-term commitment to Brand put pressure on the organization to win sooner rather than later -- or risk wasting a massive investment -- and coming to terms with Iguodala became almost an essential part of the Sixers' message to sponsors, season ticket holders, and fans, that the team was rejuvenated.
Iguodala had started the summer as one of many promising NBA free agents, but had seen nearly all of the big names, including Josh Smith, Emeka Okafor, Luol Deng, Andris Biedrins, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, and Josh Childress agree to lucrative deals.
Sources with knowledge of the negotiations say that over the last 24 hours, the Sixers became convinced that their previous highest offer, believed to be slightly less than $70 million, would result in Iguodala signing a qualifying offer and playing one season in Philadelphia before testing the open market next summer.
In short order, the team emerged with a much higher offer, to which Iguodala quickly agreed.
Many of the details of the contract are still to be worked out, sources say, including incentive clauses that could increase the value of the deal beyond a base compensation of $80 million.
Henry Abbott writes the TrueHoop blog for ESPN.com.
Lynum was just on and said its guaranteed $71-72 million. The rest is incentive based--similiar to Deng, Bogut, etc.
I really hope he has a court at his crib and he's practicing jumpers right now... or get ready for some fierce boos
utterly ridiculous
The great thing about him is that he can pull up and hit long range jumpers.
So thats $13 mil a year for him? Wow.
I've said it for years... he's a good sixth man type, period.
Now they're paying him like a franchise player. Brilliant.
Also - I wonder if they realize the free agent crop that's going to hit the market next year and more importantly in 2010? Nah. Probably not.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
Also - I wonder if they realize the free agent crop that's going to hit the market next year and more importantly in 2010? Nah. Probably not.
Hey, if the Sixers take themselves out of the game, that's fewer suitors to compete with your hometown Magic for those players!
Have no fear - the friggen Magic already blew their load last year by signing Rashard Lewis to a deal that made Iggy's look like cab fare.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
I've said it for years... he's a good sixth man type, period.
Now they're paying him like a franchise player. Brilliant.
Also - I wonder if they realize the free agent crop that's going to hit the market next year and more importantly in 2010? Nah. Probably not.
cmon Rome...I understand you dont like the signing for that much (neither do I..but its what the market is..and its a crying shame), but your assessment of Iggy as just a "6th man type" is way off.
It's not an insult, dingus. There are certain players who are great 6th men because of what they bring to the game when they enter it.
Bobby Jones, Kevin McHale, Detlef Schrempf, Danny Manning... the list goes on. All of them were great 6th men. Iggy can be precisely that sort of player.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2008, 09:56:26 PM
It's not an insult, dingus. There are certain players who are great 6th men because of what they bring to the game when they enter it.
Bobby Jones, Kevin McHale, Detlef Schrempf, Danny Manning... the list goes on. All of them were great 6th men. Iggy can be precisely that sort of player.
Wow...Andre Iguodala named to the Hall of Fame and the NBA's 50 greatest players like McHale
Im in!
calling him a 6th man is just silly, he's a legitimate starter in the league
Your face is silly.
I hear professional basketball is popular.
not as popular as lacrosse
"only" $71-72M?!?!? GREAT DEAL!
shtein...yeah, these NBA salaries are out of control. Guaranteed 70-something mil and cannot knock down jumpers and stunk the joint up in the playoffs.
I like him, but damn that's a lot of cash.
why do you idiots care about how much money they make? it's not your money
and as far as guarenteed contracts go, baseball is much worse
for real. half the people in this thread that bitch about money aren't even basketball fans. and obviously have no idea the size of nba contracts these days.
it's on this year. the bandwagon is full very soon kids.
I hate the guaranteed contracts in all sports. Baseball and basketball.
I hate the system more so than the amounts. Because it handcuffs teams. When did they finally pay Matt Geiger off? Yesterday?
And...if you're going to pay a guy like that...he better he tight in every portion of his game.
and to be honest, it probably wasn't the greatest signing ever in terms of the team in the long run, but who cares. this season is gonna be fun as hell.
Quote from: Rome on August 12, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
I've said it for years... he's a good sixth man type, period.
romey please stop talking about basketball imediately especially the sixers...youve seen iguodala play probably less than ten games ever...to say hes a sixth man is beyond ludicrous...players to avg 18 5 and 5 in the league...kobe mcgrady lebron iguodala...thats it thats the list...im not putting him in their league cause he isnt but if you think thats sixth man numbers youre insane
and if youre jealous of the money he got then fine...theres a lot of 9-5'ers that get upset that people makes tons of money to play a game...blah blah blah...
but dont act like the sixers grossly overpaid him or something...its what the going rate is for very good nba players coming off their rookie deals...how many times do we have to go over this
and if you think iguodala didnt deserve it thats fair as well but please put forth a valid plan b...should they have went after deng for the same money instead...or andris biedrins for 62 mil?
I wouldn't have as big of a problem with this deal if a younger and cheaper version of Igoudala wasn't already on the team. It makes no sense throwing that type of cash at a 3 who's slotted to play the 2 but has a mediocre outside shot. I was really hoping they'd pull a sign and trade for a guy like Rip. Wishful thinking on my part...Iggy isn't a fit on this team but maybe they can get the combo of speed/athletism/drive to the hoop and Brands low post game to work.
As far as cap space goes Miller is an F/A after this season so there's money. I'd rather they re-signed him but all indications are he bounces out west once the season is through. Only chance I see of retaining him is if they make a serious run this season.
ive yet to see the exact numbers but i dont think miller leaving is going to give them cap room...with iguodala and lous deals i believe they are way over the cap...in fact they should be closer to the luxury tax penalty than to below the cap
in fact now that i think about it the sixers might come in over the luxury tax no?
brand brought them to or at the cap number of 58
iguodala 8-10 cap number
lou 3 cap number
bring it to right around 71
I don't have a problem with Iguodala getting caked off. Good for him. My concern is that with the cap situation, they won't be able to retain Thad when he's coming off his rookie deal.
I guess if you think Iggy is a lot more special than Thad, you're fine with this and wish Thad well in 2010 or whatever. But also, the team basically has all their money in big men for the next few years and wouldn't be able to replace Miller or get a real "4".
Still, who gives a shtein if they win it all this year?
you can always resign your players, no matter what the cap situation is
Yeah, but would they re-sign Thad with all the money tied up in Dalembert, Brand, and Iggy?
yes
So, they'll be great inside and bad outside for a few years.
thad doesnt hit the open market until at least 2011-2012
i love how its just a given that thad is gonna be better than iguodala and command 80-90 mil in three years...im high on him as well but lets see him progress first...anyway you dont sign elton brand then let your second best player go...and say that you did it because a second year guy might need big money in 2011...i mean what kind of message is that...we wanna win soon but not that soon?...thaddeus young is bigger than the franchise all of a sudden?
their goal is to win a title by the time thaddeous hit the open market...im sure the salary cap will be the least of their concerns if that happens and their cap situation 3-4 years from now should be the last thing on their minds
So, basically they are saying that having Iguodala for the next 5 years is more important than adding anyone else. They like what they have and think they can compete for a title with this core of players.
That said, do you think they can?
thats exactly what they are saying...they are going for it all primarily with this group of players...but they said that when they signed brand not iguodala...letting iguodala go was never an option...the question was are they gonna add to the team to try and win now and they did that with elton brand
they wanna win now and you dont win now by letting a player of iguodalas caliber go
that said you can still add players...theres exceptions...theres trades...
after signing brand, they had to re-sign iggy...unless they wanted willie green as the starting sg.
and there's no guarantee thad will ever be better than iggy.
i'm cool with the signing. they should be much improved this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2008, 09:06:24 AM
in fact now that i think about it the sixers might come in over the luxury tax no?
brand brought them to or at the cap number of 58
iguodala 8-10 cap number
lou 3 cap number
bring it to right around 71
You're right, they'll have to use the mle, trade or re-sign Miller. My concern is they'll play well and not move Miller in hopes of making a run, then he bounces and they're left with their thumb up their ass.
should have drafted rondo
sweet lou is iverson lite...he cant play point to save his life...rondo would look real good on this team now...in fact while hes not a better player than miller at present time hes a better fit for the team...stefanski wants to run teams out of the gym and rondo is perfect for a team that doesnt have a lot of shots to go around but wants to run
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2008, 11:40:32 AM
sweet lou is iverson lite...he cant play point to save his life...rondo would look real good on this team now...in fact while hes not a better player than miller at present time hes a better fit for the team...stefanski wants to run teams out of the gym and rondo is perfect for a team that doesnt have a lot of shots to go around but wants to run
I was on board with them taking Rondo. He would be a nice fit. I like Lou Will as a bench player, I really hope Ed doesn't think he's the pg of the future.
lou is still crazy young and maybe eddie thinks he can develop the skills still...ive seen nothing to indicate he can do it but you never know
ive said it from the start...sweet lou is vinne johnson on a title team
Mike Misinelli just stated his inside sources told him, the 76ers know they overpaid for Iguodala, but the 76ers were afraid Iggy and his agent Rob Pelinka were determined to play for the qualifying offer and the 76ers did not want to go that way.
Iguodala = leverage
basically they paid him one year early..he should have gotten around 70 this year and 80 next year...they advanced him some bucks in order not to let him hit the open market
Theo Ratliff is back in a Sixers uniform for 1 yr- $1.4 million
Well, the front court should be in good shape up and down the depth chart.
Awesome.
obviously Theo is not the same, but they have some shot blocking motherhumpers now
this d should be sick
i wonder how many teams theo is getting paid by right now? and fine move.
awesome. i loved theo when he was here, dude can still give you 10-20 solid off the bench.
10-20 what
high fives
rabies
hes better than calvin booth
he has that going for him
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Dude, that could be lethal. Awesome, but lethal.
Its like Olive Garden at a sixers game
Jeff Ruland's back as an assistant coach
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20080823_Ruland_returns_to_Sixers_as_assistant_coach.html
nice.
now sammy can't complain about not having a big man coach.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 21, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
Its like Olive Garden at a sixers game
I laughed a lot at this. Of course, I think puns are hilarious, so. . .
And LOL at Ruland coming back to Philly. Harold Katz should burn in Hell for a lot of reasons but reason #1 is that farging trade.
Sixers sign Donyell Marshall (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080901_Donyell_Marshall_set_to_join_Sixers.html)
Good signing.
so they finally got him, seems like there's been talk of gettin him forever
reading represent. great signing.
this team is going to be farging great this year. i already love stefanski more than any philly front office guy ever.
i actually played in a few pick up games with donyell when i was little, and by played i mean stood on the sidelines because i never got picked to be on the big boys' teams.
haha loser
Mo gets another contact extension (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080909_Cheeks_gets_extension_from_76ers.html)
mo money mo money mo money
Stacey Dash
Andre Miller: I'm happy in Philly (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080911_Andre_Miller_says_he_s_happy_with_Sixers.html)
Strike while the iron is hot and get something worked out. Miller doesn't rely on his athleticism as much as other players do so he could be effective into his mid 30s or beyond.
slam is jumping on the bandwagon too...
http://slamonline.com/online/2008/09/philadelphia-76ers-season-preview-2/ (http://slamonline.com/online/2008/09/philadelphia-76ers-season-preview-2/)
QuoteRoyal Ivey – A hardcore defender. Will stick to other guards like gov't peanut butter.
:-D
Sixers hire McKie as coach (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20080928_76ers_to_hire_McKie.html)
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temple.