CB, Wisconsin
good call Dillen
will miss the entire season
He's hurt already?
Not to be even more awesome but I was going to say the Eagles would take him or Orlando Scandrick.
I like it. He would have been a sure fire 1st rounder if he didn't blow out his knee training in February. Apparently him and Rosenhaus (his agent) think he'll play this year. If not, stash him on IR.
BIOGRAPHY: Full-time starter and All-Conference selection the past two years. Numbers last season included 24/1/15 after 41/2/13 as a sophomore.
POSITIVES: Well-sized cornerback with terrific ball skills. Quickly flips his hips transitioning to run with opponents, easily stays with wideouts downfield, and nicely positions himself to make a play on the throw. Stays with receivers out of their breaks and displays an explosive burst to the ball. Comes up the field to defend the run and plays with an aggressive style. Displays good overall awareness on the field.
NEGATIVES: Struggled with injuries as a junior and showed lots of inconsistency. Does not always play within himself and plays too aggressively. Has character issues, which must be looked into. Hurt his knee in late January training for the combine. Suffered a torn ligament and dislocated knee cap. Underwent surgery in March to repair the injury. Not expected to return from the injury until late September at the earliest.
ANALYSIS: Prior to his injury, Ikegwuonu possessed the basic skill and ability to be a starter at the next level. He must now return to full strength and show his surgically repaired knee isn.t permanently damaged. Even if he does that, Ikegwuonu needs to fine-tune his game and learn to play with more discipline to ever reach his potential.
PROJECTION: Late Sixth Round
The long road to the National Football League continues to get longer for Ikegwuonu. More than a year after Jack and his twin brother, William, were arrested on residential burglary and criminal trespass charges, the two are still battling through the legal system to attain a resolution to their cases. The Badger cornerback had a subpar 2007 campaign on the football field that was the result of inconsistent play, legal distractions and injuries.
He later surprised the Wisconsin football staff by making the decision to leave school and apply for the NFL Draft. Once touted as the best cornerback in the college ranks, he saw his potential first-round projection continue to slide throughout his final year in Madison.
Now, further clouding his professional future is a serious right knee injury he suffered working out while preparing for the NFL Combine. Ikegwuonu tore the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his right knee during workouts in late January. Doctors indicate he will be forced to miss the entire 2008 season.
great pick!
We can always count on you to find the negatives, hunt.
Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2008, 01:30:42 PM
We can always count on you to find the negatives, hunt.
hah. they were the first few sentences of his profile on nfl.com.
here's some more:
QuoteCompares To: AL HARRIS-Green Bay...Like Harris, Ikegwuonu is a physical tackler, especially in run support. He might be a better fit at safety, as he plays the ball better than he does in man coverage. However, his off-field life is causing havoc with his draft stock. He still has arrest charges hanging over his head and is recovering from a serious knee injury that doctors say will sideline him the entire 2008 season. Based on his subpar 2007 season, he might be waiting around a long time to hear his name called on draft day, but at that stage, he's worth gambling with a late pick and let him prepare for the 2009 season, sort of like giving him red-shirt status.
projected 6th...a corner with an ACL and knee cap injury? ehhhhh
If he didn't hurt his knee he was a #2 pick, Sun.
I like this one for the potential. A risk for sure, but if it pays off it could pay off big. He's good and he shut down James Hardy.
why are they taking risks in the 4th? this team sucks, they need players for now.
QuoteVery compact in his backpedal with quick feet and has a quick transition into his turn to stay with receivers. Does a great job in man coverage and just shows great hips. Ikegwuono also looks to have excellent speed and is very tough to get away from. Defended 15 passes as a senior and also had an interception. Had 29 career passes defended and six interceptions for his career. My biggest concern here is his lack of turnover production. I have seen him stick to people like glue, however he should be picking off more passes then he is. The technique, ability and speed are there, but the numbers aren't. Add that to him being only a junior and I wonder where he'll land in the draft.
Ikegwuono absolutely shut down Mario Manningham in the 2007 Michigan game. He did slip and fall to give up one touchdown to Mario, but otherwise he was a huge thorn in his side. Had an interception and four pass breakups in the game.
QuoteOnly a Junior. Outstanding cover guy. Presses well. Very quick feet. Fluid, athletic player. Really sticks on his receivers. Very good break on the ball. Will hit WRs. Excellent PBU vs ILL. Played off, then flew up to hit WR on slant and knock the ball out. So-so tackler. Will wrap-up, but doesn't look comfortable doing it. Broke up a pass along sideline in the UM game. Very fluid hips. Moves and turns with ease. Played some STs. Downed a punt inside the 10 vs UM. Gets a very good, physical jam at times. Can be too physical. Was called for penalty vs UM. Picked off pass late in UM game. Had tight coverage on Manningham and the QB forced a ball into tight coverage. Shadows the best WR all over the field. Seems to really enjoy the challenge of trying to shut down a good receiver. Can be physical or play off. Tough and athletic in coverage ability. Does get some Safety help over the top, which allows him to tightly stick on guys.
I saw a good point on the Scouts Notebook board. At this point he's great value + won't take up a roster spot if he is put on IR. This way the Eagles can keep one more of the players they take.
He will go straight to IR I am sure. This is really a low risk, high reward pick.
Like: He has late 1st - 2nd round talent and potential.
Dislike: He won't pay dividends until 2009... maybe 2010. They need help now.
There aren't many players who are borderline 4th/5th who will contribute now. Lito is hopefully staying.
QuoteIKEGWUONU RESOLVES CRIMINAL CHARGES
Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2008, 5:53 p.m.
In addition to a serious knee injury suffered in January, Wisconsin cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu also has been facing felony and misdemeanor charges arising from the alleged entry into an apartment and theft of a video game system.
But now Ikegwuonu has one less thing to worry about. According to a source close to the situation, Ikegwuon9 has pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor criminal trespass charge. The felony charge of residential burglary will be dismissed.
Ikegwuon9 will be placed on probation for 24 months, and he is required to perform 50 hours of community service. He also has travel restrictions, but will be able to move from state to state in connection with his coming NFL job.
It's a prudent move for Ikegwuonu, since it removes the stigma of the pending criminal charges as teams prepare to consider drafting him. We're told that multiple teams have been strongly suggesting the Ikegwuonu do what he can to resolve the charges.
Also, it's likely that Ikegwuonu's plea won't result in scrutiny under the league's Personal Conduct Policy, since the plea predates his entry into the NFL via the draft.
Well, I guess this is another way to use your picks and save your roster spots.
If they weren't getting good trade value, why not take a guy like this, basically a pick for next year's draft?
Whatever. I'm kind of hoping he never makes it so that I don't have to learn to pronounce his name.
is this a type of guy that would transition to safety?
i don't get this pick now. later? maybe. there's guys still sitting there who would help now and they take a guy who won't see the field until '09 maybe?
dumb.
trent cole was a project
QuoteEAGLES GAMBLE ON IKEGWUONU
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2008, 1:41 p.m.
The Philadelphia Eagles have reeled in one of the potential steals of the draft on Sunday by nabbing Wisconsin cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu at the bottom of round four.
Ikegwuonu, who was rated as a potential first- or second-round pick, tore up his knee in January while working out in preparation for the draft, and criminal charges arising from the alleged theft of an Xbox raised a red flag in the post-Pacman era.
But Ikegwuonu is confident that his knee will recover, and just a few days ago he resolved the off-field situation by pleading to a misdemeanor.
Though he might not be able to contribute in 2008, it could work out to be a good investment for a team that will have Asante Samuel holding down one of the two starting positions into the next decade.
foxsports again:
QuoteI love this selection. With about a dozen draft picks, the Eagles take a flier on this Big Ten star who suffered a horrendous knee injury prior to the combine. Great value pick here. Eagles are doing some smart things on Day Two.
in other news, rome writes for foxsports.
The upside on Ikeqwuonu is tremendous. This team could have the best CB tandem in the league in two years.
i also invented the intarwebz.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2008, 03:52:47 PM
i also invented the intarwebz.
(http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/al_gore.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 01:40:30 PM
QuoteIKEGWUONU RESOLVES CRIMINAL CHARGES
Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2008, 5:53 p.m.
In addition to a serious knee injury suffered in January, Wisconsin cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu also has been facing felony and misdemeanor charges arising from the alleged entry into an apartment and theft of a video game system.
But now Ikegwuonu has one less thing to worry about. According to a source close to the situation, Ikegwuon9 has pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor criminal trespass charge. The felony charge of residential burglary will be dismissed.
Ikegwuon9 will be placed on probation for 24 months, and he is required to perform 50 hours of community service. He also has travel restrictions, but will be able to move from state to state in connection with his coming NFL job.
It's a prudent move for Ikegwuonu, since it removes the stigma of the pending criminal charges as teams prepare to consider drafting him. We're told that multiple teams have been strongly suggesting the Ikegwuonu do what he can to resolve the charges.
Also, it's likely that Ikegwuonu's plea won't result in scrutiny under the league's Personal Conduct Policy, since the plea predates his entry into the NFL via the draft.
Oh ho ho...not so fast
QuoteIKEGWUONU'S BROTHER KILLS PLEA DEAL
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2008, 4:29 p.m.
So much for Wisconsin cornerback (now Eagles cornerback) Jack Ikegwuonu putting those criminal charges behind him.
According to WKOW-TV in Madison, Wisconsin, a plea deal aimed at getting the matter resolved before Ikegwuonu was drafted by an NFL team didn't go through, because Ikegwuonu's brother refused to agree to it.
Ikegwuonu and his brother, Willie, were busted in November 2006 for allegedly stealing an Xbox — the old-school kind, not a 360.
Even if his brother changes his mind at some point in the future, it was critical for Ikegwuonu to get the deal done before he officially joined the NFL. As to any guilty pleas entered or convictions imposed moving forward, Ikegwuonu will most likely face potential penalties under the league's Personal Conduct Policy.
This could force Ikegwuonu to take his chances by going to trial. The only problem is that he faces one felony count, and a conviction might disrupt not only his football career but also his freedom.
Ikegwuonu was selected by the Eagles in the fourth round of the 2008 draft.
Go to jail for a year, heal up...see ya in 2009, kid. :yay
^^^ :-D^^^
I like the pick, and the fact that we now have Bunkley and Jack who can now afford xbox games, and dont have to steal them anymore
Reid's building a collection of mobsters.
Stealing video games, picking up hookers (and then getting beat like one) Winston Justice, post smokers Buck and Mikey P, what other miscreants do they have on this team?
Maybe Studebaker can preach to 'em.
Quote from: shorebird on April 27, 2008, 03:49:23 PM
The upside on Ikeqwuonu is tremendous. This team could have the best CB tandem in the league in two years.
he wont be a cb...hes dawks eventual replacement
(http://www.channel3000.com/2006/1130/10433147_240X180.jpg)
Samuel/Brown/Demps/Ikegwuonu?
QuoteOn who is his agent: "Drew Rosenhaus."
signed....4-yr deal
So, he on IR yet?
So I guess this kills the talk a while ago about him not signing and re-entering the supplemental draft next year or some shtein like that.
because of his injury id like to see how his deal compares with that of others around him
Nice, i was thinking he wouldnt sign but i guess he needed the money, and knows he can get some good rehab.
he needed to buy some games for his new xbox
Quote from: SunMo on June 18, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
he needed to buy some games for his new xbox
you have his gamertag yet?
Guess who showed up on Facebook with a Bong, some coke, and tooter in his hand???
Quote
FACEBOOK FOLLIES GET PLAYER IN HOT WATER
Posted by Mike Florio on November 13, 2008, 4:14 p.m.
We've caught wind of the fact that a photo of an NFL player in the immediate vicinity of a huge bong on a glass table with lines of a white powdery substance recently made its way onto a Facebook page, temporarily.
As we hear it, once the player's team found out about it, the picture was removed.
Per a league source, the Facebook account belongs to a family member of the player in question.
It's unknown whether the league office is aware of the situation. Under the substance-abuse policy, a positive drug test isn't the only thing that can get a player in trouble. A player can be added to the program based on behavior.
A couple of years ago, for example, then-Raiders receiver Randy Moss had to scramble to avoid being placed into the program after merely admitting to smoking marijuana "every blue moon" during an interview with Bryant "Rick Romo" Gumbel.
We've seen the picture, but we've been asked not to post it. Ordinarily, we'd post it anyway, but we're in a fairly decent mood this afternoon.
QuoteUNVEILING THE BONG-AND-COKE PHOTO
Posted by Mike Florio on November 13, 2008, 8:45 p.m.
We never dreamed that there would be such an uproar regarding the story of an NFL player who had an image of himself land on a family member's Facebook page. The player in question doesn't have a high degree of name recognition, and we badly underestimated the degree of curiousity it would create.
We were concerned initially about posting the photo and identifying the player because our information was based only on our source, and because it wasn't obvious that the player was who we were told he was. We have since obtained information from two more sources, so we're now confident that we can post the photo without fear of getting the NFLPA treatment in a court of law.
But we post the photo and identify the player with this disclaimer — the picture appeared on the Facebook page of his younger sister, and she has since claimed that she Photoshopped it. (An if it's truly Photoshopped, then we should fire Taco Bill and hire her.)
We're also told that the player is not in trouble with his team. (That said, another source said that the picture was taken down only after the team became aware of it.)
The player in question is Eagles cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu, a 2008 fourth-round draft pick who tore an ACL in January and who has been shelved for his rookie year. He was regarded as a potential first-round selection before being injured, even with pending criminal charges arising from the theft of an Xbox (the old kind, not a 360). He reached a plea deal in the days leading up to the draft, but the arrangement cratered when his brother, also charged in the incident, refused to accept it.
Here's the photo. He's the guy on the right, Photoshopped or otherwise.
(http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jackikeg.JPG)
Don't think that's coke, it looks like crushed up pills...whatever the pills are on the table by the bong.
Britt and Garrett Reid now have a boy to chill with.
def pills, and who cares. Looks like a good night to me
What would you be doing with your time if you had to sit out a whole season? A little rehab during the day, a little medicine at night. Whoop dee damn doo.
I would kill all of you for a ripper from that bong right now.
At least he's using a straw to snort those pills instead of dirty ass money :paranoid
We're also told that the player is not in trouble with his team
sounds a lot like team reid
You really think he should be in trouble?
1) He didn't violate any league rules
B) Word on the street says that picture is photochopped
Thats a hell of a photochop job the way his leg is going under that glass coffee table.
I don't see a problem, looks like everyone is having a good ole' time to me.
I don't have any problem at all with drug use. I think it should be legal, frankly, but it drives me farging crazy that these clowns can't stay away from the shtein for a few years, get paid to be a professional athlete and just stay out of trouble. They are risking hundreds of thousands of dollars at the low end and tens of millions at the high end. All they have to do is stay clean for a few years and they can't farging do it. farging idiots.
he aint risking anything since hell never sniff the field
Might as well throw in the towel and get high then. Nevermind that he was drafted and put on IR with the idea of being able to play next year. A chance at making an NFL team isn't worth giving up a few months of snorting ritalin and pulling tube's on your buddy's family room floor...
precisely....it aint a party without at least one raw gram
A gram of Diet Coke can be found in 3 out of 5 suburban medicine cabinets. Gotta keep those kids calm so mommy and daddy can get old and fat in peace.
i give my son nyquil
the nightime
sniffling
sneezing
coughing
aching
stuffy head
fever
when youre low on weed medicine
is that what they call ritalin these days, diet coke?
If 'these days' means 'nine years ago when I was in college', then yes.
It appears I'm further out of touch than I thought. Super.
At least you got the drug right. I just assumed he meant K.
I thought Adderrall was the new Ritalin.
You guys must be pretty young. Back in my day doctors hadn't even invented ADD yet
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 14, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
You guys must be pretty young. Back in my day doctors hadn't even invented ADD yet
Ha. I remember the first time one of my classmates told me they were taking medicine because they were hyperactive. I asked my parents about it and they said, "That's why you play baseball and soccer and basketball and are on the swim team." Then they spanked me and sent me to bed without supper and forced me to walk uphill six miles both ways to school and I appreciated it because life is hard and I needed to learn that.
you drink beer at work and watch cable
Well beer is delicious so I don't see what your point is.
1) i hate you
2) your life isn't hard
3) i hate you
1. Lies.
2. Truth.
3. Lies.
Get a damned room, loverboys.
we have a room, you're in it
Icky.
Never seen anyone snort an adderrall...i have seen someone crush up and snort a zanex. Or roll it in with weed into a blunt.
My friends are going places.
Picture doesn't prove anything either...he needs to get busted on a drug test or he could just say he didn't do it.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 14, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
You guys must be pretty young. Back in my day doctors hadn't even invented ADD yet
ADD cure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZ_5qMr-ds)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 14, 2008, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 14, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
You guys must be pretty young. Back in my day doctors hadn't even invented ADD yet
ADD cure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZ_5qMr-ds)
Ha! Amen.
Naggers
:-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 14, 2008, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 14, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
You guys must be pretty young. Back in my day doctors hadn't even invented ADD yet
ADD cure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZ_5qMr-ds)
A-farging-men. Do exactly that.,
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2008, 12:55:17 PM
A gram of Diet Coke can be found in 3 out of 5 suburban medicine cabinets. Gotta keep those kids calm so mommy and daddy can get old and fat in peace.
Help me out with the logic here:
1) Kid is hyperactive, annoys parents
2) Prescribe methamphetamines
3) Kid is sedated into compliance ?!?
We are talking about speed here - serious, hard-core, controlled substance. Making kids calmer and better able to focus. How does that make any sense if there isn't some kind of imbalance? Why wouldn't they prescribe downers, anti-depressants or mood stabilizers if they just wanted to sedate the kid? I'm not saying it isn't misdiagnosed and over treated, but to imply that the problem doesn't exist is just crazy.
Do you even have any idea what Ritalin is?
i wish benzedrine was still legal, i would be 170 lbs again.
Quote from: Munson on November 14, 2008, 06:09:52 PM
Never seen anyone snort an adderrall...i have seen someone crush up and snort a zanex. Or roll it in with weed into a blunt.
My friends are going places.
Picture doesn't prove anything either...he needs to get busted on a drug test or he could just say he didn't do it.
my wife has some zanex laying around. i might just have to resort to this during the Bengals game.
Apparently it works quite well.
Especially when taken with beer.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2008, 12:42:53 PM
Do you even have any idea what Ritalin is?
Do you?
Methylphenidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerta) (Ritalin)
Adderall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall)
Schedule II controlled substances.
Do you?
I do.
Ritalin, although a stimulant for adults, has the opposite effect on children, for some medical reason unknown to me. Personally, I'm against any kind of mood altering drugs for youngsters. Your making them addicts before they are even out of grade school, and they end up being the kind of adults that run for the medicine cabinet when they get up in the morning in order to be able to function during the day without a mental breakdown.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2008, 12:42:53 PM
Do you even have any idea what Ritalin is?
Do you?
Methylphenidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerta) (Ritalin)
Adderall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall)
Schedule II controlled substances.
Do you?
Yes, I do. But next time I'll provide Wikipedia links to prove it...
Giving it to kids is retarded. Your argument is that there MUST be an imbalance if it calm children down, and that doesn't make a farging lick of sense. People managed to get by for 1000s of years without medicating their children for being hyperactive. It's insanity.
It's unnatural. Kids are naturally hyperactive, some more than others. Teachers have had disciplinary powers taken away from them, so now, they want to drug kids to keep them in line.
Modern parents drive me nuts. They're so self obsessed, and so terminally wounded by the traumas of a normal lucky American life, that they think they can make up for whatever bullshtein still haunts them by treating their children like tiny gods. Coddle them in every way, smother them in attention, let them make decisions about where they go, what they eat, etc. from like age two on, drug them to get them to behave nicely so the parents don't have to discipline them, etc.
My brood is going to suffer and like it.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2008, 09:13:34 AM
My brood is going to suffer and like it.
A farging men.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 09:08:10 AM
It's unnatural. Kids are naturally hyperactive, some more than others. Teachers have had disciplinary powers taken away from them, so now, they want to drug kids to keep them in line.
Of course, you're erroneously lumping ADD in with ADHD. The two often go together, but many people mistakenly think that ADD equals hyperactivity. And it's also a misconception that proper pharmacological treatment for ADD turns kids into dull little robots, much less addicts.
I agree that the medication is probably abused in some cases, but it is also widely used properly and successfully.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Ritalin, although a stimulant for adults, has the opposite effect on children, for some medical reason unknown to me.
False. Ritalin is also prescribed to adults who have ADD/ADHD. It doesn't just go away...
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 16, 2008, 11:46:21 AM
Of course, you're erroneously lumping ADD in with ADHD. The two often go together, but many people mistakenly think that ADD equals hyperactivity. And it's also a misconception that proper pharmacological treatment for ADD turns kids into dull little robots, much less addicts.
I agree that the medication is probably abused in some cases, but it is also widely used properly and successfully.
True.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 16, 2008, 03:43:05 AM
Quote from: Munson on November 14, 2008, 06:09:52 PM
Never seen anyone snort an adderrall...i have seen someone crush up and snort a zanex. Or roll it in with weed into a blunt.
My friends are going places.
Picture doesn't prove anything either...he needs to get busted on a drug test or he could just say he didn't do it.
my wife has some zanex laying around. i might just have to resort to this during the Bengals game.
snort it, then smoke some Maui Wowi and you'll wake up in few hours
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 16, 2008, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 09:08:10 AM
It's unnatural. Kids are naturally hyperactive, some more than others. Teachers have had disciplinary powers taken away from them, so now, they want to drug kids to keep them in line.
Of course, you're erroneously lumping ADD in with ADHD. The two often go together, but many people mistakenly think that ADD equals hyperactivity. And it's also a misconception that proper pharmacological treatment for ADD turns kids into dull little robots, much less addicts.
I agree that the medication is probably abused in some cases, but it is also widely used properly and successfully.
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Tons of kids that go to counciling for poor grades simply because they don't pay attention are prescribed Ritalin. ADD, ADHD, whatever, it's a name slapped on a condition that can be avoided by good home training. Parents think they can let kids do whatever they want when they are little, and they grow up with a lack of respect and discipline, not knowing how to act in public when they don't get the same type of attention they do at home. So then, they drug them.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2008, 09:13:34 AM
Coddle them in every way, smother them in attention, let them make decisions about where they go, what they eat, etc. from like age two on, drug them to get them to behave nicely so the parents don't have to discipline them, etc.
Amen to that.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Ritalin, although a stimulant for adults, has the opposite effect on children, for some medical reason unknown to me.
False. Ritalin is also prescribed to adults who have ADD/ADHD. It doesn't just go away...
I don't agree, it's a Methylphenidate, a stimulant.
QuoteMethylphenidate (MPH) is a prescription stimulant commonly used to treat Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. It is also one of the primary drugs used to treat the daytime drowsiness symptoms of narcolepsy and chronic fatigue syndrome
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate)
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Ritalin, although a stimulant for adults, has the opposite effect on children, for some medical reason unknown to me.
False. Ritalin is also prescribed to adults who have ADD/ADHD. It doesn't just go away...
I don't agree, it's a Methylphenidate, a stimulant.
1) Most ADD drugs are stimulants (Adderall, Ritalin), or have stimulant effects (Strattera, Wellbutrin). They do not operate differently in adults and children.
2) Adults and children are treated for ADD (with or without the hyperactive component) using stimulants.
QuoteADD, ADHD, whatever, it's a name slapped on a condition that can be avoided by good home training.
Just like most things today, people are always looking for the easy way out. That doesn't mean that the medical condition doesn't exist.
(http://user.cybrzn.com/kenyonck/Images/adhd01.gif)
(pet scan of the brain, first subject does not have ADD symptoms, the second does)
I'll be the first to say that parents (probably including myself) aren't doing a very good job these days, but to make a blanket statement that the disease doesn't exist is simply ignorant.
(No, my kids aren't being treated for ADD - I am)
The Eagles are so bad that Cerevant is posting brain scans during the game.
Quote from: bowzer on November 16, 2008, 02:56:38 PM
The Eagles are so bad that Cerevant is posting brain scans during the game.
Most of our brains currently look like the one on the right.
Andy Reid's looks like this:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/273288728_d83ef2dd18.jpg?v=0)
Only a truly devout (and hungry) Mormon can master the secret Mormon Bite.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I'll be the first to say that parents (probably including myself) aren't doing a very good job these days, but to make a blanket statement that the disease doesn't exist is simply ignorant.
(No, my kids aren't being treated for ADD - I am)
You call it a disease, I call it a condition. You say toma'to, I say tomae'to.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 12:42:40 PM
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Tons of kids that go to counciling for poor grades simply because they don't pay attention are prescribed Ritalin. ADD, ADHD, whatever, it's a name slapped on a condition that can be avoided by good home training. Parents think they can let kids do whatever they want when they are little, and they grow up with a lack of respect and discipline, not knowing how to act in public when they don't get the same type of attention they do at home. So then, they drug them.
Lived with, maybe. Struggled with, sure. Avoided, no. But it sounds like you're over generalizing to make you point, and you're working from ill-informed conjecture. So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I'll be the first to say that parents (probably including myself) aren't doing a very good job these days, but to make a blanket statement that the disease doesn't exist is simply ignorant.
(No, my kids aren't being treated for ADD - I am)
I'll come from the other angle. As the parent of a child with ADD, I've lived with the anguish and stuggle involved with the condition. To say that I resorted to "drugging" my child because I'm too lazy to be a good parent is a farging insult.
BTW, after dealing with diagnosing my kid (something that isn't done lightly, despite what many think), I'm also convinced that I have a touch of ADD, and I wish there was a medical diagnosis available when I was younger.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 16, 2008, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 12:42:40 PM
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Tons of kids that go to counseling for poor grades simply because they don't pay attention are prescribed Ritalin. ADD, ADHD, whatever, it's a name slapped on a condition that can be avoided by good home training. Parents think they can let kids do whatever they want when they are little, and they grow up with a lack of respect and discipline, not knowing how to act in public when they don't get the same type of attention they do at home. So then, they drug them.
Lived with, maybe. Struggled with, sure. Avoided, no. But it sounds like you're over generalizing to make you point, and you're working from ill-informed conjecture. So yeah, we'll agree to disagree.
No. Without getting personal, I can guarantee you that I have as much or more experience with what you call a disease and counseling/psychiatry involving young kids as anyone here.
I've seen kids go into treatment and after two visits be prescribed drugs. Psychiatrist are way to quick to prescribe drugs to kids. It's like it's the in thing to do. Like Prozac. And parents are so desperate they believe anything that these so called professionals tell them. It's bullcrap.
In my view, you've already made it personal.
Was any of this experience with your own children? Are you prepared to say that I drugged my kid because I was a poor parent?
From the educator's point of view: Yes, I think that Ritalin is over-prescribed, much like almost all prescription meds are. The feeding of the bloated whale that is the American health care and insurance system.
However, to insinuate that ALL parents are trying to drug their kids for ease or whatever is not only ridiculous, but insulting to those parents. Most parents who take their kids to doctors are desperate because either the kid is in jeopardy is failing, is in chronic trouble (at home, at school, or both). A handful (maybe 3-5%) of the kids have diagnosed conditions that need medication. I have some students that literally would be kicked out of school if not for their medication - they were heading down that road.
For the kids that are medicated, they are constantly being re-evaluated for the effectiveness of the treatment, and their doses are often adjusted for need. Many times, after a year or so (as their hormones adjust in middle school), they can be taken off the drug comepletely.
As a teacher in the state of Florida, it is illegal for me to make any kind of recommendation about medicine. The MOST I can say is that they should see a doctor for an evaluation. And as a personal policy, I just let the guidance counselor make that recommendation. I try to keep it to the facts, and not leave my area of expertise.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I'll be the first to say that parents (probably including myself) aren't doing a very good job these days, but to make a blanket statement that the disease doesn't exist is simply ignorant.
(No, my kids aren't being treated for ADD - I am)
You call it a disease, I call it a condition. You say toma'to, I say tomae'to.
Disease, condition, disability - whatever, that's not the point.
So, what is your brilliant cure for this fictional condition? It certainly would make my life a hell of a lot easier.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 16, 2008, 06:28:56 PM
I have some students that literally would be kicked out of school if not for their medication - they were heading down that road.
Yeah, we didn't have ADD back when we were kids, they just threw the troublemakers into the "special" school so they wouldn't be seen again.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 16, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
In my view, you've already made it personal.
Was any of this experience with your own children? Are you prepared to say that I drugged my kid because I was a poor parent?
Don't put words in my mouth, I was speaking from my own experience.
Your making it personal. I don't know you or your kid, and I'm not going to pass judgment on anyone about their parenting, especially on a farging message board.
I spoiled the crap outta' my daughter when she was young, and now after her Mom left, I'm the one paying for it. She has absolutly no repsect for athourity. She thinks school is a fashion show and a popularity contest instead of a place to learn. I take the blame for that, as should any parent. I've had her to all kinds of councilors and psychiatrist, and she plays them all like fiddles. Every goddamn one of them wanted to put her on drugs and I refused. Is that farging good enough for you?
And as for your self diagnosis of having ADD, you sure as hell didn't have a problem paying attention to my post when there are others here saying the same thing. It sounds like you are trying to bait me into a banning. Not like the person I've seen post here for so long. If I hit you the wrong way on a touchy subject then I apologize.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 06:56:53 PM
Don't put words in my mouth, I was speaking from my own experience. Your making it personal. I don't know you or your kid, and I'm not going to pass judgment on anyone about their parenting, especially on a farging message board.
Looks like you were speaking for ALL parents.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Ritalin, although a stimulant for adults, has the opposite effect on children, for some medical reason unknown to me. Personally, I'm against any kind of mood altering drugs for youngsters. Your making them addicts before they are even out of grade school, and they end up being the kind of adults that run for the medicine cabinet when they get up in the morning in order to be able to function during the day without a mental breakdown.
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Parents think they can let kids do whatever they want when they are little, and they grow up with a lack of respect and discipline, not knowing how to act in public when they don't get the same type of attention they do at home. So then, they drug them.
Look, I'm not looking to ban you or anybody, especially over a disagreement. I hope you think more of me than that.
My problem is that you generalized the situation. You have your own stories and I have mine. I won't say you did the wrong things, because I wasn't part of your daily life. I just ask that you not take ham-handed swipes at others who choose differently, based on your own limited experience.
Beat your kids more and they will behave.
Next topic.
Quote from: shorebird on November 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Parents think they can let kids do whatever they want when they are little, and they grow up with a lack of respect and discipline, not knowing how to act in public when they don't get the same type of attention they do at home. So then, they drug them.
Well, I could have left that last part out, but the rest happens all the time. I was a lot harder on my son than I was my daughter, she was Daddy's little girl, and I'm paying for it in spades. My son was a honor role student. His coaches and teachers loved him. I speak from experience when I say there can be a big difference in the way kids turn out by the way you raise them.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 16, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
My problem is that you generalized the situation. You have your own stories and I have mine. I won't say you did the wrong things, because I wasn't part of your daily life. I just ask that you not take ham-handed swipes at others who choose differently, based on your own limited experience.
Really, my experience is no more limited than your own, just a whole lot different.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
Beat your kids more and they will behave, or you will be prosecuted and locked up.
Next topic.
If you beat them properly they'll be too terrified to tell anyone about it.
I had OCD growing up and at 32 I can't say I'm 100% over it. I was paranoid of the number 3 and would constantly add large groups of numbers up in my head for no reason. I'd memorize baseball/hockey/football/basketball stats like there was no tomorrow. If I looked at the clock and it read 6:09 (6 + 9 = 15 which is divisible by 3) I'd think something bad was gonna happen. No clue what brought this on but now that I look back I think it was something hormonal and the fact that my parents let me do and eat whatever I wanted. I'm still a little farged up over it but its nothing I can't handle.
maybe ol jack has ADD.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 16, 2008, 08:56:44 PM
I had OCD growing up and at 32 I can't say I'm 100% over it. I was paranoid of the number 3 and would constantly add large groups of numbers up in my head for no reason. I'd memorize baseball/hockey/football/basketball stats like there was no tomorrow. If I looked at the clock and it read 6:09 (6 + 9 = 15 which is divisible by 3) I'd think something bad was gonna happen. No clue what brought this on but now that I look back I think it was something hormonal and the fact that my parents let me do and eat whatever I wanted. I'm still a little farged up over it but its nothing I can't handle.
The part in bold I did and assumed every other kid did as well.
The rest of this post makes you one crazy motherfarger. And yes, I blame your parents as well.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2008, 08:37:23 PM
If you beat them properly they'll be too terrified to tell anyone about it.
I laughed at this, does that make me a bad parent?
No. A bad parent would say, "I keep beating them, but it doesn't help at all. Maybe I should use a cane instead of a belt"
Most kids yes but not on the level I memorized that shtein. I had an SI encyclopedia and could pretty much tell you any stat in the book. It was borderline Rainman-telephone book stuff.
Long as you weren't going to K-Mart for underwear everyday you were alright.
Only the gays wear underwear.
Ikeg-guano will be ready for mini camps. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17548)
birdcrazy
03/16/09
8:39 pm ET the FO loking smarter by the minute....
I am excited to see this kid on the field, but he'll blow his knee out before april
id be excited if they were trying to use him as a safety...he was questionable as a corner before he got hurt and might be straight up disasterous there now
Will James part deux
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I'm not sure, but I think that picture might have been altered.
Kegger all good to go
QuoteIkegwuonu found not guilty on all charges
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 17, 2009 1:20 PM ET
Eagles cornerback Jake Ikegwuonu was acquitted of all charges filed against him on Friday.
The accused Xbox bandit (we're required to say non-360 here) found out the news after closing arguments in his case were heard Friday. We found out the news via Drew Rosenhaus' Twitter account.
Rosenhaus represents Ikegwuonu.
The Eagles selected the Wisconsin product in the fourth round of the 2008 draft despite knowing he would miss his rookie season with a torn ACL.
Now that the injury and legal problems are behind him, Ikegwuonu can concentrate on football again.
He's expected to compete for snaps with Ellis Hobbs and Joselio Hanson for reserve snaps at cornerback. He should also help on special teams.
Ikegwuonu's brother, Bill, previously was acquitted by a jury. Jack Ikegwuonu surprisingly opted to waive his right to a jury trial, putting his fate in the hands of a judge.
Great, now we can find out if he completely sucks or not.
if he just stays away from south street hes already ahead of the game
Worked for Buck. He had a mediocre career here.