Pro Football WeeklyQuote47. Philadelphia (from Minnesota) — DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame
Laws is a great fit for the Eagles' interior and brings added bulk to defend the run at a position where the Eagles would like to stay fresher. He should factor into a rotation with Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley right away and provide much-needed depth.
Quote49. Philadelphia — WR DeSean Jackson, California
A solid value for his return ability, Jackson is very comparable to Roscoe Parrish and could have a very difficult time staying healthy at 169 pounds. Character questions pushed down his draft value and could keep him from realizing his potential, but Donovan McNabb should be excited about having a playmaker on offense.
Sporting NewsQuoteEagles take Trevor Laws at No. 47. Philadelphia understands the importance of having several big, athletic bodies to rotate on its defensive line, and that's why its front office keeps dipping into end and tackle. Laws can be a good part-time contributor inside as a rookie.
QuoteEagles take DeSean Jackson at No. 49. Wow, what a fall for the Cal explosive wideout and return man. That's why Philly kept trading way down -- it had some indication it would get a great value in the second round with how so of the bigger school receivers have dropped. Considering how bad the Eagles' receiving corps is, it wouldn't be surprising if Jackson started as a rookie
SI.comQuoteThe Eagles pick up a high-motor defensive tackle with the selection of Trevor Laws. Though he may be a little undersized by some standards, his quickness and relentless motor are a nice fit in defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's blitz-heavy scheme
QuoteThe Eagles give Donovan McNabb the playmaker he has coveted for years. The diminutive Jackson possesses outstanding speed, and his penchant for producing big plays in the return game will boost the Eagles' mediocre return game. Although he lacks the size to be an every down receiver initially, he gives Andy Reid another weapon to incorporate into the Eagles' game plan.
NFL.comQuotePick Analysis:Laws is an intelligent player, who the Eagles most likely took because of his fit in their 4-3 scheme. If not for that, Laws likely would have not gone this high. But his motor and his ability to read plays will be a good addition for Philly
QuotePick Analysis:Donovan McNabb gets the playmaker he's been coveting in Jackson. A deep threat, Jackson is in the mold of Carolina's Steve Smith -- a small but shifty receiver, who gives the Eagles their most explosive weapon since Terrell Owens, as well as a potentially great punt returner
Yahoo Sports/Rivals.comQuoteThe buzz: The Eagles love drafting on both sides of the line, and Laws was a monster this season. He was almost unblockable at the Senior Bowl. Laws is a little short, but he should work well in the Eagles' rotation-based system
QuoteThe buzz: The Eagles grab the fastest receiver in the draft as Jackson falls deep into the second round. Questions about his size and off-field issues likely caused this slip. The fact that he can contribute on special teams right away makes this a solid value choice.
I'll search for more and post the local paper links too
CBS SportslineQuoteComment: Laws is a nice meaty run stuffer with a high motor and an ability to block kicks. He might not have been the Eagles' first choice, but he was the best choice at this point as many people saw him as a late-first/early second-round choice.
QuoteComment: It was only a matter of time before Jackson was off the board. While he doesn't have ideal size, he has amazing speed. Expect him to work on special teams as well as play in a situational role on offense in 2008. If this offense made Kevin Curtis a 1,000-yard receiver, Jackson can do it too.
FOX SportsQuoteLaws was ultra-productive on a really bad Notre Dame team last year. 112 tackles out of your DT? That's unheard of stuff. He'll be a fine pro. Philly traded back a bit here, and still got a very strong defensive tackle.
QuoteDeSean Jackson's GENEROUSLY listed at 5-11, but could be the next Devin Hester. A kick and punt return threat who has solid hands, he's worth the flier at 49. Philly fans have been clamoring for a solid return man since Brian Mitchell left town.
NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1209269118276050.xml&coll=5)
QuoteFollowing an unsuccessful attempt to move up from No. 19, head coach and vice president of football operations Andy Reid dealt the team's first-round selection for the second consecutive year, then sent the Minnesota Vikings the 43rd overall pick he received from the Carolina Panthers as part of a package Reid called "too sweet to turn down."
QuoteAt 6-foot-1 and 304 pounds, Laws started all 12 games for the Irish in 2007 and had four sacks, five pass breakups, three blocked kicks and was the only defensive lineman in the Football Bowl Subdivision to record 100 or more tackles in 2007.
"I'm just beaming right now," Laws said. "It's a surprise. It's a big surprise, but I'm real thrilled about it."
The undersized Jackson (5-9, 169 pounds) ran a blistering 4.35 at the NFL Scouting Combine and declared for the draft following a junior season in which he finished with 65 receptions for 762 yards and six touchdowns.
As a return man, Jackson scored six special-teams touchdowns at Cal and finished his career with 3,293 all-purpose yards.
"This is a blessing and a dream come true," Jackson said. "The Eagles were high on my list. I felt like I had a connection with the program and I want to get in there as soon as possible and make great things happen for this team."
QuoteThere now is speculation the Eagles may use Sheppard and next year's first-round pick they received from Carolina in a trade for a proven wide receiver.
Inquirer (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080426_Eagles_trade_out_of_the_first_round.html)
Quote"Trevor is a high-energy player," Eagles coach Andy Reid said. "He had the most tackles for a loss in the country this past year."
Jackson returns punts and kicks and is an explosive player. "He's very fast, very quick and he's one of those guys that, if you talk to people around the league who have evaluated him, they put him in that exciting, explosive category," Reid said.
Jackson has been working out with Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice. "I have been working with him for the past two months," Jackson said. "He is a great mentor of mine. He has been teaching me a lot of things about running routes and being ready for the competition at the next level."
Daily News (Bowen & Domowitch Blog) (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/)
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Saturday, April 26, 2008
Day One thoughts
Some end-of-day-one thoughts on the Eagles:
1) With the drafting of DeSean Jackson and the offseason acquisitions of free agents Rocky Boiman, Dan Klecko, Kris Wilson and Chris Clemons, their special teams should be a lot better this season, which should also translate into better field position for the offense and poorer field position for the opponent.
2) Pray that the Carolina Panthers are really bad next season.
3) The selection of Notre Dame DT Trevor Laws with the 47th overall pick is a good move that should allow Jim Johnson to keep starting DTs Brodrick Bunkley and Mike Patterson fresh.
4) I don't know what it means that Lito Sheppard still is an Eagle. They'd be a better football team if he stayed and played hard. But his contract situation pretty much makes that impossible.
5) Eagles have 10 picks in the final 5 rounds, but they don't have roster spots for 12 new players. Expect them to package many of their fifth, sixth and seventh round picks to improve their position in the third and fourth and target players they want. I expect them to walk away from this draft with 8 players max.
Posted by Paul Domowitch @ 8:32 PM Permalink | 10 comments
Comcast SportsNetQuoteROUND 2 (No. 47):
Trevor Laws
Position: DT
College: Notre Dame
Height/Weight: 6-1/304
Analysis:
The Eagles have little depth behind starters Mike Patterson and Broderick Bunkley and Laws fits the Eagles' DT mold. Laws is a smallish, quick tackle who won't be called on to anchor against the run. Laws played nose tackle in Notre Dame's 3-4 defense, acquitting himself well despite his smaller stature, and showing the ability to make plays behind the line of scrimmage. He'll provide the Eagles with a nice third option in the Eagles' tackle rotation. Not an exciting pick but a solid addition to a strengthening d-line.
ROUND 2 (No. 49):
DeSean Jackson
Position: WR
College: California
Height/Weight: 6-0/178
Analysis:
After passing on bigger receivers like Devin Thomas, James Hardy and Limas Sweed the Eagles grab a dynamic return man in Jackson. Jackson slipped in the draft primarily because of his slight stature and aversion to the weight room, but picking him up at this stage of the proceedings is a coup for the Eagles.
Jackson should be able to contribute immediately on kick and punt returns, upgrading a woeful return game, and eventually work his way into the offense where he could be the deep threat they need to open the field up for Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown.
Ellis vs. Laws
Notre Dame went 3-9 last season, but had it not been for Trevor Laws, their record might have been worse.
"Despite the fact that we had a bad performance as a team, Trevor was absolutely extraordinary," head coach Charlie Weis said.
How extraordinary? Weis feels Laws, drafted 47th overall, is on par with USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis, who was taken 40 picks earlier.
"All I want you to do is go look at the numbers for Sedrick Ellis, and go look at the numbers for Trevor Laws," Weis said. "Go look at the measurables – the height, weight, all that other stuff. Then just go look at the numbers from this year. Tell me if Philadelphia didn't get a great deal here. I think you're going to look at them and say, at worst, that their numbers were equal."
Laws is 6-1, 304. Ellis is 6-1, 305.
Last season, Laws had 112 total tackles (53 solo), while Ellis had 58 tackles (29 solo). Laws had four sacks. Ellis had 8½. Laws had eight tackles for loss. Ellis had 12½.
Also consider that Notre Dame's defense spent more time on the field more than USC's and that Ellis was surrounded by more talent.
But Laws beat Ellis in the classroom. Laws was a member of the Academic All-American second team last year and of the National Honors Society in high school.
"This was one of the smartest kids on our football team," Weis said.
Wait, Laws had 112 tackles last year as the NT in a 3-4? Jesus.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 02:19:44 AM
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5) Eagles have 10 picks in the final 5 rounds, but they don't have roster spots for 12 new players. Expect them to package many of their fifth, sixth and seventh round picks to improve their position in the third and fourth and target players they want. I expect them to walk away from this draft with 8 players max.
i really hope this is true. i don't see how drafting 12 players and cutting 8 of them in training camp helps. at this point, i'd prefer quality over quantity.
quality is not something this FO can be said to recognize
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2008, 08:08:28 AM
Wait, Laws had 112 tackles last year as the NT in a 3-4? Jesus.
He played end in the 3-4, but still... yeah.
QuoteJackson has been working out with Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice. "I have been working with him for the past two months," Jackson said. "He is a great mentor of mine. He has been teaching me a lot of things about running routes and being ready for the competition at the next level."
Nothing to dislike about that.
i saw that on Sportscenter yesterday morning...Jerry was probably blowing some smoke, but he thought the kid had a bright future in the NFL as a receiver
I know this probably isn't a big issue for most people, but......
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 02:59:30 AM
QuoteLaws was a member of the Academic All-American second team last year and of the National Honors Society in high school.
"This was one of the smartest kids on our football team," Weis said.
The fact that this kid has a damn brain and the ability to comprehend stuff other than x's and o's is a good thing.
Quote from: hunt on April 27, 2008, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 02:19:44 AM
Daily News (Bowen & Domowitch Blog) (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/)
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5) Eagles have 10 picks in the final 5 rounds, but they don't have roster spots for 12 new players. Expect them to package many of their fifth, sixth and seventh round picks to improve their position in the third and fourth and target players they want. I expect them to walk away from this draft with 8 players max.
i really hope this is true. i don't see how drafting 12 players and cutting 8 of them in training camp helps. at this point, i'd prefer quality over quantity.
Spot on.
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
i saw that on Sportscenter yesterday morning...Jerry was probably blowing some smoke, but he thought the kid had a bright future in the NFL as a receiver
I've heard him talk about Jackson multiple times on Sirius, he really seems to be high on the kid.
Bowen said that Andy hinted that he would have taken Otah at #19 if the Carolina trade offer hadn't come in. Judging by the posts in that 1st round thread, a lot of guys here barely avoided having some broken furniture and injured pets in their homes this morning.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 27, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Bowen said that Andy hinted that he would have taken Otah at #19 if the Carolina trade offer hadn't come in. Judging by the posts in that 1st round thread, a lot of guys here barely avoided having some broken furniture and injured pets in their homes this morning.
There were reports during the draft yesterday....about 3 or 4 picks before the Eagles at 19, that the Eagles were trying to trade up a couple of spots so they could grab either Albert or Otah.
Taking a lineman at 19 would have been bad enough. But had they actually traded up to do so would have been the cause for the deaths of several innocent house pets.
i would have been fine with albert. blood would have flowed if i heard otah's name called, though.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2008, 10:21:32 AM
i would have been fine with albert. blood would have flowed if i heard otah's name called, though.
same
NFL Network says that the two teams with the best drafts have been the Kansas City Chiefs and your Philadelphia Eagles.
On the clock @ 109.
Kiper's grades (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3357479)
QuoteNFC East
Dallas Cowboys: GRADE: B+
Felix Jones will join Marion Barber in the Cowboys' backfield and will also return kicks. Cornerback Mike Jenkins has really good ball skills and should be a major contributor this season in the secondary. Tight end Martellus Bennett has talent and should be able to help out in the passing game. Running back Tashard Choice had a knee injury in 2007; otherwise he would have gone a little higher in the draft. He can run between tackles, but isn't going to run away from anyone in space. I projected Boise State cornerback Orlando Scandrick to go late in the second round, and I was surprised to see him last until the fifth round. However, the Cowboys didn't draft a wide receiver, which I thought was one of their top three need areas.
New York Giants: GRADE: C+
I understand taking safety Kenny Phillips with the last pick in the first round. He had a great sophomore season in 2006. Terrell Thomas could be a No. 2 cornerback, but I thought that pick was just OK. Wide receiver Mario Manningham is worth a role of the dice in the third round because he has talent, but his stock dropped in the months leading up to the draft, with some teams viewing him as a late-round pick. Jonathan Goff was a good find in the fifth round, and the same can be said about Andre' Woodson in Round 6. Defensive end Robert Henderson is just a marginal prospect.
Philadelphia Eagles: GRADE: C+
Trevor Laws had a very good 2007, and was arguably Notre Dame's best player. I like where the Eagles got DeSean Jackson because he's an exciting player (when healthy) who will help out in the return game. Bryan Smith is a combination DE/OLB, and Michael McGlynn had a nice season at right tackle opposite Jeff Otah. Cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu is a pick for the future; after declaring for the draft, he suffered a knee injury in January and isn't expected to play in 2008. Andrew Studebaker out of Wheaton has the potential to be a situational pass-rusher.
Washington taterskins: GRADE: B+
They traded out of the first round and still were able to get three offensive weapons in the second round: wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly and tight end Fred Davis. Chad Rinehart is a versatile offensive lineman who can play guard or tackle. In the sixth round, Georgia Tech's Durant Brooks was the first -- and only -- punter drafted. He has a strong leg and should compete for the starting job (30 of his 65 punts were 50 yards or longer). Hawaii QB Colt Brennan went in the sixth round. He isn't very big, but he has some ability. What hurt Brennan was his performance in the Sugar Bowl and the Senior Bowl practices, and the system he played in, which allowed him to put up big numbers. Safety Christopher Horton will be a good backup and special teams player. The only thing the taterskins didn't get was a pass-rushing defensive end.
It would have been nice if Kiper explained his C+ with actual analysis instead of just rattling off facts that everyone already knows. That same writeup could be used to justify anything from an A to a D.
Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/27/mmqb.draft/index.html?eref=sircrc)
QuoteThe five teams I liked
2. Philadelphia. The Eagles always ask for too much in trade. Always. They couldn't get rid of Lito Shepard last weekend, but that was primarily because Shepard, who gets hurt too much, wants a new contract even though he has four years left on his current one. But the Eagles were able to auction off the 19th pick in the draft for a mind-boggling sum, which they got from Carolina -- second- and fourth-round picks this year and the Panthers' first-round pick next year.
On the draft-trade chart, the 19th overall pick is worth 875 points. If you assign Carolina an average 2008 season and give them the 16th pick in the first round next year, this trade will be worth 1,546 points on the trade chart -- almost double what the 19th pick is worth. In terms of real additions this year, DeSean Jackson as a receiver/returner with the 49th pick is excellent value.
It's too bad that King is wrong so often, because I thought this was funny:
Quote2. I think -- I guess -- Jerry Reese didn't think he got enough value from New Orleans for Jeremy Shockey. I would think an unhappy tight end who's missed time with injuries would be worth second- and sixth-round draft picks (or a second this year and a fifth next year). I like Reese a lot, but I think he'll think back on this moment in October and say, "I really should have taken that deal for Shockey.''
i was much happier with day one than day two. both picks on saturday filled immediate needs and i really liked the booker trade, but the more i look at yesterday's picks i don't see much in terms of help. i fully expect half of those picks to be on the street by september.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2008, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2008, 08:08:28 AM
Wait, Laws had 112 tackles last year as the NT in a 3-4? Jesus.
He played end in the 3-4, but still... yeah.
QuoteLaws played nose tackle in Notre Dame's 3-4 defense
From one of Phreak's articles, I don't watch CFB much, especially not ND, so I wouldn't know personally.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 07:27:05 AM
i fully expect half of those picks to be on the patriots by september.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 28, 2008, 07:59:48 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2008, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2008, 08:08:28 AM
Wait, Laws had 112 tackles last year as the NT in a 3-4? Jesus.
He played end in the 3-4, but still... yeah.
QuoteLaws played nose tackle in Notre Dame's 3-4 defense
From one of Phreak's articles, I don't watch CFB much, especially not ND, so I wouldn't know personally.
NFL.com draft profile. First sentence.
QuoteTrevor Laws found a home at left defensive end during his senior year in the Fighting Irish 3-4 defensive alignment after spending his first three seasons manning the left defensive tackle position in a conventional 4-3 set.
If JJ is going with a 3-4 alignment like has been said, he now has the players to do that with. Tons of speed.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 28, 2008, 08:16:44 AM
If JJ is going with a 3-4 alignment like has been said, he now has the players to do that with. Tons of speed.
By whom? This team is not going to a 3-4.
it's been in the philly papers. Not the entire alignment or philosophy change, but adding in packages utilizing the 3-4 to use players that they have
It was discussed in another thread I think, and some of the personel they've picked up certainly seem to be made for the 3-4. Undersized DEs/rush linebackers. Beefy linemen. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that JJ could work it into the plan. Whatever, yay April.
I've heard that as well a few times... that they'll throw in a 3-4 look at times, but will stay mainly in the 4-3.
Did any callers on WIP call in and let Hugh Douglas know why the Eagles opted out of the 1st rd this year? I think he might of said that over and over again probably about 38 times. He was so baffled by this.
They drafted their guards last year, so aside from RB's Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and maybe S Kenny Phillips, they were the only 3 in my mind that "could of possibly" contributed to the Eagles right away. DE's Lawrence Jackson and Kentwan Balmer were complete toss-ups that would of been grabbed just to be grabbed--not the best grades from analysts
All of those players would of been very limited barring any injury, so to pay guys like that 1st rd money might of been a waste. I think the Birds made the correct move there
The two 2nd round picks will both contribute AT LEAST as much as anyone they would have taken in the first-- AND they picked up a potentially great first rounder next year. Not much to dislike there...expecially considering they would have taken a OL that wouldn't have seen the light of day if they stayed at 19.
Quotepotentially great first rounder
that word potentially is the only thing that worries me
I don't know how anyone can knock that trade out of the first round. Like I said before. Everyone loves to get all riled up about everything on draft day, but I'm having a hard time getting excited or being upset about it anymore. They got some really good athletes and some really productive college players. On top of that they got a few extra picks for next year and a hell of an athlete in Lorenzo Booker. I'll piss and moan during the season when they've cut 6 of the players and go 7-9, but for now, there's nothing to complain about.
Hey, it's another reason to root against Carolina.... But even if you knew it would be, say, #20 next year, it would be a steal. I look at it this way-- by virtue of trading down, the Eagles are better THIS year, because they didn't end up taking a backup OL at 19.
This will make rjs happy (Peter King tidbit):
Quotee. Steve Young had one of the more interesting quotes of the day, when discussing what the Titans should do at number 24 in the first round. "Vince Young has done everything you could ask of a young quarterback,'' he said. Oh, he has? His two-year QB rating: 69.0. Touchdowns: 21. Interceptions: 30. Passing yards per game: 158.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
This will make rjs happy (Peter King tidbit):
Quotee. Steve Young had one of the more interesting quotes of the day, when discussing what the Titans should do at number 24 in the first round. "Vince Young has done everything you could ask of a young quarterback,'' he said. Oh, he has? His two-year QB rating: 69.0. Touchdowns: 21. Interceptions: 30. Passing yards per game: 158.
I saw that. What a farging idiot.
Steve Young's the idiot, and Vince Young is the worst quarterback in the history of the NFL... right?
Vince Young is a stud. Get the guy a real OC and somebody outside of WR Roydell Williams and they score yards and points
Quote from: reese125 on April 28, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Vince Young is a stud. Get the guy a real OC and somebody outside of WR Roydell Williams and they score yards and points
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 9 TDs, 17 Ints. Vince Young is farging awful.
peter king.....
The five teams I liked
2. Philadelphia. The Eagles always ask for too much in trade. Always. They couldn't get rid of Lito Shepard last weekend, but that was primarily because Shepard, who gets hurt too much, wants a new contract even though he has four years left on his current one. But the Eagles were able to auction off the 19th pick in the draft for a mind-boggling sum, which they got from Carolina -- second- and fourth-round picks this year and the Panthers' first-round pick next year.
On the draft-trade chart, the 19th overall pick is worth 875 points. If you assign Carolina an average 2008 season and give them the 16th pick in the first round next year, this trade will be worth 1,546 points on the trade chart -- almost double what the 19th pick is worth. In terms of real additions this year, DeSean Jackson as a receiver/returner with the 49th pick is excellent value.
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
i love it when we score yards
getting jackson at 49 was a ridiculous steal. i would have been thrilled with him at 19 let alone getting him plus a 1, 2 & a 4 at 49.
there are people who are actually complaining about the deal "elsewhere" but doing so is just incredibly retarded.
the eagles missed the boat yesterday a bit, but i was thoroughly happy with saturday's results. laws, jackson & booker will contribute immediately. what more can you ask?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2008, 09:38:22 AM
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
But it is so much more insightful when IGY posts it.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 09:40:02 AM
getting jackson at 49 was a ridiculous steal.
That's what scares me.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2008, 09:38:22 AM
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
like im gonna read this whole thread (or any of it)
troll
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2008, 09:38:22 AM
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
like im gonna read this whole thread (or any of it)
That's a Munson/King Cole/Reese type answer, brah.
And Dio's response was appropriate. Take it outside ladies.
and sarge's use of "brah" is deserving of castration
its also truth...not sure what you wanted me to say...that i did read it and still purposely posted something twice
btw mel graded one team in the nfl in the A range (the chiefs)
eagles draft goes like this
first round trade = A++++++
desean jackson = A+
rest of draft = D
Sarge was naturally castrated by God at birth. This is why (s)he has a massive bergina.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:57:01 AM
rest of draft = D
Ouch, and you liked the Demps and Ikagwouwnwuwnwu picks.
Not a big Andy Studebaker fan?
laws is a brutal pick...so is smith
i do like demps...jury is out on ike but im down with taking a chance on him
id give the overall draft a C because the trade was that good and you know how much i like jackson....but i think they blew two of their first three overall picks and that isnt good
Judging the draft now is pointless. But just on perceived value alone, calling Laws a "brutal" pick is really over the top.
the all important perceived value....nice
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:57:01 AM
rest of draft = D
Eh. Demps and McGlynn were good picks. Mays could be a good pick too. Ikegwuonu or whatever is a strange pick, but if he comes back next year and contributes bully for them. Gibson and Dunlap are the typical project players but I really don't think there's all that much to piss and moan about here.
Calling Laws brutal is ridiculous. He's a productive interior lineman from a school that played good competition year in a year out. He's a DT for god's sake, it's never going to be exciting to take a DT, but to kill the pick now is stupid.
no different than saying its a good pick now...newsflash thats what people do the day after the draft...rate the picks
Thanks for the newsflash, I had no idea that mass stupidity was something to strive for.
talking about sports is definitely stupid
Obviously.
My point is that all of this fire and brimstone that we go through every year during and after the draft is stupid. They got some players. Some of them will pan out. Maybe they'll pull a pro-bowler or two. Several will be washed out in short order. It's the same thing every year and we don't know anything until it happens. So why get all lathered up over it?
Because it is the off-season, and talking politics is starting to make even my head hurt.
Brookover says meh (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080428_Eagles__draft_lacks_razzle-dazzle.html)
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2008, 10:25:06 AM
Obviously.
My point is that all of this fire and brimstone that we go through every year during and after the draft is stupid. They got some players. Some of them will pan out. Maybe they'll pull a pro-bowler or two. Several will be washed out in short order. It's the same thing every year and we don't know anything until it happens. So why get all lathered up over it?
everything you say is true...but the draft is still one of the best sporting events of the year and what mostly makes it great is the discussion surrounding it and the post draft analysis....i love the desean pick but not the laws pick...nothing less nothing more
Would you feel any differently if they took Jackson before Laws?
i didn't like trading out of the 2nd round pick because the vikings took the safety that I wanted the Eagles to take. now, maybe Demps can be a starter, maybe not. but obviously you think that a 2nd round pick has a better chance to be a starter than a 5th rounder.
Laws was a need, so it's hard to say he was a bad pick. they didn't have another DT for the rotation. and they do need a rotation because you need to limit the number of snaps that Patterson sees in able for him to be effective. and kimo van farghead and whoever else last year wasn't getting the job done.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 28, 2008, 10:34:59 AM
Would you feel any differently if they took Jackson before Laws?
not really...laws is a poors mans mike patterson and patterson isnt exactly an all pro...i just dont see why you would take a mini back up dt that high...intelligent and high motor dont cream good second round pick to me...plus i can easily see him getting overwhelmed at the next level...i will say tho in the overall scheme of things i can justify laws and make myself feel better about it because they have carolinas one next year which was a brilliant move
i'll go on record here and say laws replaces patterson as a starter by year two. i'll also be his :CF sponsor too.
I thought Patterson played very well last year and if Laws can come in and provide quality play as a 3rd DT with little or no drop-off from what Patterson does, than he has helped the team at a position of need and that's all anyone can really ask for.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2008, 10:51:19 AM
I thought Patterson played very well last year and if Laws can come in and provide quality play as a 3rd DT with little or no drop-off from what Patterson does, than he has helped the team at a position of need and that's all anyone can really ask for.
Same. He got steamrolled the first few seasons leading to the run defense being a problem but last season he played well. I don't give him as much of the credit as I do Bunkley coming along and taking the pressure off him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2008, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2008, 09:38:22 AM
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
like im gonna read this whole thread (or any of it)
That's a Munson/King Cole/Reese type answer, brah.
Ha...your a joke....classify me with a bunch of 20 yr olds..you farging nerd.
I tell you what Murdock, put another picture of yourself up on this board so I can rip you to shreds.
Quote from: reese125 on April 28, 2008, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2008, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2008, 09:38:22 AM
try to pay attention, QB posted that earlier today
like im gonna read this whole thread (or any of it)
That's a Munson/King Cole/Reese type answer, brah.
Ha...your a joke....classify me with a bunch of 20 yr olds..you farging nerd.
I tell you what Murdock, put another picture of yourself up on this board so I can rip you to shreds.
someone tickled a taint...or struck a nerve...or something like that
ha!
reese, pm me your addy and i'll send you autographed copies of all my greatest :CF pics.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
i'll go on record here and say laws replaces patterson as a starter by year two. i'll also be his :CF sponsor too.
I already dropped Patterson.
I'll take Demps.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
ha!
reese, pm me your addy and i'll send you autographed copies of all my greatest :CF pics.
lol, there are some classics
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2008, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
i'll go on record here and say laws replaces patterson as a starter by year two. i'll also be his :CF sponsor too.
I already dropped Patterson.
I'll take Demps.
Well since my guy's been cut, I guess I'm in the market for a new player myself.
Unless he's been snatched already, I'll take DeSean.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 28, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
Unless he's been snatched already, I'll take DeSean.
You may have to throw down with IGY.
i dont even get that sponsor crap but it sounds really gay...therefore ill take no one
right on! fight the power, huey newton!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 02:03:58 PM
i dont even get that sponsor crap but it sounds really gay...therefore ill take no one
If you delete all the Barksdale pics from your Photobucket account, you should have enough room for a Demps collection.
........wait for obligatory FF reference to Jevon Kearse....wait for it....wait for it....
barksdale :'(
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 02:18:10 PM
barksdale :'(
never understood why he was cut...he had the considine tackling technique down pat
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blurb about the Wonderlic scores, from some ND blog...
QuoteThe highest score listed was our very own John Carlson, who sported an impressive 40. Second was Frank Okam, DL fom Texas, with a 39. Third was another Notre Dame grad, John Sullivan, who scored a 35. King Dunlap, OT from Auburn was next with a 32. To round out the top 5 test takers is our very own Trevor Laws (tied with Mike Humpal, LB from Iowa) with a 30. The lowest score belongs to (Michigan's) Mario Manningham, with a 6. He was the only player to score in single digits.
so the Eagles got two of the top 5.
i certainly have no data to back this up but i would bet the lower a teams wonderlic score the better chance they have of winning the superbowl
So, Manningham would have been a disaster in the Eagles offense. I guess the Giants could work out for him, though.
King Dunlap is big and smart.
Yes, stupid thugs with know ability to grasp the NFL game=SB winners.
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
Yes, stupid thugs with know ability to grasp the NFL game=SB winners.
bwahahahahah....not only are you a racist piece of white trash but you are dumber than the "thugs" you so despise
If those scores are accurate, Mario Manningham can't read or do basic arithmetic. Probably has trouble tying his own shoes. All of a sudden I feel like my masters from Michigan is worth a lot less.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
Yes, stupid thugs with know ability to grasp the NFL game=SB winners.
bwahahahahah....not only are you a racist piece of white trash but you are dumber than the "thugs" you so despise
HAAHAHAHA at you thinking I'm racist and white trash. Go count your money at your summer home you stuck up piece of shtein. Defend the thugs more so you can feel better about yourself.
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
Yes, stupid thugs with know ability to grasp the NFL game=SB winners.
Oh my, a typo!! :o
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
that aint a typo trashy
its just absolutely beautiful that you showed your lack of intelligence while trying to call black people dumb...typical ignorant bigot
Hahaha yes, it was a typo.
Cry racist some more...you're pretty much the most racist person on this message board. Just assuming that "thug" meant "black" shows me all I need to know about you.
nope i know your kinds code words...i got my eye on you cracker
Anyone who lives the sean taylor college life style is a thug (or wannabe thug) plain and simple, whether he's black white orange yellow purple or blue.
Never call a man with black family a racist ever again.
Waaa, and waaa.
Go play in traffic, you two.
holy shtein is the racist thing played out.
shut the farg up all of you.
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
Anyone who lives the sean taylor college life style is a thug (or wannabe thug) plain and simple, whether he's black white orange yellow purple or blue.
Never call a man with black family a racist ever again.
so you sister was dumb enough to get raped by a black dude and you have a half black niece. if anything that makes you more racist
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 09:29:00 PM
holy shtein is the racist thing played out.
shut the farg up all of you.
when we rid the earth of people like munson it will be played out
what the farg ever. just stop talking about it in every g/d thread. please?
why do you love racists Rome?
Asian people are good at math and eat dogs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 09:29:00 PM
holy shtein is the racist thing played out.
shut the farg up all of you.
when we rid the earth of people like munson it will be played out
No, when we rid the earth of people who cry racism at every corner....THAT's when it will be played out.
White people listen to Dave Matthews and drive Priuses.
As long as they don't crash...into me....then I'm okay with that.
Black people like fried chicken and talking during movies.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2008, 10:00:17 PM
Black people like fried chicken and don't tip well.
I'm trying to end the conversation, not prolong it. Get off my nuts.
You're making it too easy. Tuck them back in.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/
Not for nothin but if there were ever a stuffthatblackpeoplelikedotcom a third of this country would shtein themselves with rabid claims of racism, a third would find it hilarious, and the other third would actually take it as gospel. farg two thirds of everyone.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
Not for nothin but if there were ever a stuffthatblackpeoplelikedotcom a third of the world and IGY would shtein themselves with rabid claims of racism, a third would find it hilarious, and the other third would actually take it as gospel. farg two thirds of everyone and three thirds of IGY.
Quote editing is in tonight.
Die.
nm
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Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
Not for nothin but if there were ever a stuffthatblackpeoplelikedotcom a third of this country would shtein themselves with rabid claims of racism, a third would find it hilarious, and the other third would actually take it as gospel. farg two thirds of everyone.
Hello (http://www.stuffblackpeoplelove.com/)
Yeah, it's been posted before.....but farg off, it's funny. (http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/)
Awesome.
I turned on 610 this morning, what an abortion of a radioshow.
610 is the pulse of the city! The pulse I say!
Apparently Baldinger gave the draft a D on that CN8 sports show
and WIP this morning
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2008, 10:09:08 AM
Apparently Baldinger gave the draft a D on that CN8 sports show
he destroyed it on angelos show this morning
how do you give a draft a "d" where you got three potential immediate contributors on day one plus a #1 pick in next year's draft? i wasn't happy about sunday's picks, but come on.
that's straight-up idiocy, imo.
I listened to WIP on my home yesterday morning. They trashed the Eagles draft. They may have had some questionable picks on day 2, but the fact is that the draft picks will be judged on how they perform, not on where they went to school or how well known the player is. I can't for the life of me understand how they were pissing and moaning about the trade from 19. The pick was going to be a backup OT anyway so who gives a farg. And the dumbfargs crying about not picking Mendenhall must be mongoloids.
the #1 gripe is they traded out of the 1st to practically the end of the second. It makes it look like they are content with the team they have, and avoiding 1st rd pay to a player again
The other gripe is if the player you want is not there, you take the next player with best "value" that can ultimately help your team--(but next year picks is ultimately the best value). Many experts feel there were plenty of players before the 47th pick (?) that could of helped an 8-8 team this year. The Eagles did not do that, instead focusing on next year for the 2nd straight year
The only overall agreed upon player was Jackson
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
how do you give a draft a "d" where you got three potential immediate contributors on day one plus a #1 pick in next year's draft? i wasn't happy about sunday's picks, but come on.
that's straight-up idiocy, imo.
you do know that just because the eagles say someone will contribute doesnt mean they will do so in a positve way...what would possibly excite you about trevor laws...like the eagles need another mini tackle...there is absolutely no guarantee the guy can contribute in the league at his size...charlie casserly is on wip right now saying he a poor mans mike patterson...you really think a poor mans mike patterson is gonna contribute a lot next year
the trade i totally agree with but i can also see how some people would rate this draft just on the players the eagles
drafted and in that case they didnt do well at all imo
i don't give a damn what the eagles say about the players they drafted and i don't base my opinions on their opinion or the clowns at wip. i looked at the players the eagles selected and the draft picks they acquired and i formulated my own "grade" based on those criteria. it's called independent analysis, igy. you should try it some time instead of parroting someone else's opinion. either that or stop relying on douchebags from wip to influence yours.
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
i don't give a damn what the eagles say about the players they drafted and i don't base my opinions on their opinion or the clowns at wip. i looked at the players the eagles selected and the draft picks they acquired and i formulated my own "grade" based on those criteria. it's called independent analysis, igy. you should try it some time instead of parroting someone else's opinion. either that or stop relying on douchebags from wip to influence yours.
How were you able to attend all of their games or obtain all of that game footage?
You formulated you own "independent" analysis by other experts analysis and write ups. You have never seen any of those college players play. If Mel Kiper and all the others were saying and writing up trash about the players selected, you would disregard that? Shut your lips
If the Eagles had taken Mendenhall, the yahoos on WIP would be ripping the pick and saying it's a direct affront to the team's best player.
my personal draft grading formula is way too complicated to share with any of you yahoos.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
If the Eagles had taken Mendenhall, the yahoos on WIP would be ripping the pick and saying it's a direct affront to the team's best player.
or they would say what a great pony backfield the Eagles have now
Quote from: reese125 on April 29, 2008, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
If the Eagles had taken Mendenhall, the yahoos on WIP would be ripping the pick and saying it's a direct affront to the team's best player.
or they would say what a great pony backfield the Eagles have now
No.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 29, 2008, 12:06:37 PM
my personal draft grading formula is way too complicated to share with any of you yahoos.
lies. the bigger the bubble the better.
done.
Quote from: reese125 on April 29, 2008, 11:25:43 AM
You formulated you own "independent" analysis by other experts analysis and write ups. You have never seen any of those college players play. If Mel Kiper and all the others were saying and writing up trash about the players selected, you would disregard that? Shut your lips
right. i never saw notre dame play on saturdays. i never saw highlights of desean jackson on youtube. i never saw lorenzo booker play for florida state. oh, wait, yes i did, i saw him play every game for fsu because i'm a fan of the team.
ignorant douchebag clown.
keeping a close eye on ol' Trevor huh?
When you and Christina Pagniacci are formulating your in-depth analysis for next years draft, CF will be eagerly awaiting your independent opinion Romey Rome...thanks
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
i don't give a damn what the eagles say about the players they drafted and i don't base my opinions on their opinion or the clowns at wip. i looked at the players the eagles selected and the draft picks they acquired and i formulated my own "grade" based on those criteria. it's called independent analysis, igy. you should try it some time instead of parroting someone else's opinion. either that or stop relying on douchebags from wip to influence yours.
where did i say i based my opinion on wip...this was on wip this morning i rated the draft a c with the trade and a d without the trade yesterday...btw it aint wip that is killing the eagles draft...its all the guests they are having on there as well...baldinger...casserly didnt kill it but didnt particularly like it either...i havent seen any grades above a c or c+ from anyone that was grading the players they took...its only when factoring in the carolina trade do people give them a good grade on the draft....
and rome your evaluation of trevor laws is strictly based on the fact that you didnt like their back up tackles last year and youre just assuming that laws is better...it has nothin to do with how good you think he is and everything to do with what his position is and because you think they sucked at that position last year he therefore must be a good pick
my opinion of laws is based on what i saw of him when he played for notre dame. what part of that do you not understand?
the rest of your post is silly because you, yourself, have said repeatedly that you listen to wip all the time. if you didn't agree with the slop that comes from those idiots, then why would you listen to it? you practically channel angelo in this place on a daily basis, dude, so just stop it.
I was pissed at the draft at first, but after calming down it really isn't that bad. The only way you can truly hate it is if you are convinced that Devin Thomas, Mendenhall, Felix Jones, Otah or Phillips were going to be major impact players right away. Moreso than Laws and Jackson.
Most people would've been cool with Jackson at 19, let alone the 2nd round.
I really wanted Devin Thomas and I'm pissed he went to the Skins, but with that said he is not Calvin Johnson. He isn't can't-miss. No one there at 19 was can't-miss. If they passed on someone like Glenn Dorsey, then obviously we'd all be furious. But who did they pass on that would make this MAJOR impact year one?
Mendenhall? A backup RB for a team that passes 65% of the time. Yeah....
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
the rest of your post is silly because you, yourself, have said repeatedly that you listen to wip all the time. if you didn't agree with the slop that comes from those idiots, then why would you listen to it? you practically channel angelo in this place on a daily basis, dude, so just stop it.
that could be the dumbest non reese/munson/cole post ever on this board
this is the problem with homers like yourself...you honestly believe you have to get info that you yourself agree with and thats also pro your team or else you shouldnt bother with it...you need to release yourself from that site and spadaro and come back to the rest of us
I, for one, prefer listening to sports talk radio that I disagree with. What fun is it listening to a bunch of radio clowns that you agree with all the time? Boring. I can listen to myself talk whenever I want.
homers? check.
spadaro? check.
emb? check.
you hit on all three of the themes that you usually cling to in one of your indefensible tirades when people point out your hypocrisies. the only thing that surprises me is you didn't work the racist angle into it.
3/4 isn't bad, though.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 29, 2008, 03:31:43 PM
I, for one, prefer listening to sports talk radio that I disagree with. What fun is it listening to a bunch of radio clowns that you agree with all the time? Boring. I can listen to myself talk whenever I want.
if i had a choice i def would prefer to disagree with it...i disagree on almost everything with howard eskin yet i love his show....but what you really should do is listen to what you enjoy and then make your own mind up on the topics at hand...rome actually thinks its impossible to listen to wip without agreeing with it...even tho every host on wip may have different opinions
Quotethat could be the dumbest non reese/munson/cole post ever on this board
this is the problem with homers like yourself...you honestly believe you have to get info that you yourself agree with and thats also pro your team or else you shouldnt bother with it...you need to release yourself from that site and spadaro and come back to the rest of us
IGY, anytime you write my name out...its obvious you miss me or want to talk to me. I on the other hand only know how to make you look stupid when I reply back, so Ill save you the embarrassment once again.
hahaha - i think it's impossible to listen to that horseshtein station, PERIOD. having an IQ over 75 practically precludes it.
Quote from: reese125 on April 29, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
Quotethat could be the dumbest non reese/munson/cole post ever on this board
this is the problem with homers like yourself...you honestly believe you have to get info that you yourself agree with and thats also pro your team or else you shouldnt bother with it...you need to release yourself from that site and spadaro and come back to the rest of us
IGY, anytime you write my name out...its obvious you miss me or want to talk to me. I on the other hand only know how to make you look stupid when I reply back, so Ill save you the embarrassment once again.
dont you have some pyramid schemes to forward clown
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 03:39:33 PM
hahaha - i think it's impossible to listen to that horseshtein station, PERIOD. having an IQ over 75 practically precludes it.
as a homer thats understandable....but if you have an open mind and dont mind sometimes hearing negative things about your teams then its actually great radio
WIP jumped the shark when they started Wing Bowl.
your "keepin' it real" act is almost as tired as your ridiculous racism schtick.
First, Munson runs a 4.4. Now, Rome has an IQ over 75.
Up next?
you posting something funny?
I just got ownt.
still waiting...
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
your "keepin' it real" act is almost as tired as your ridiculous racism schtick.
if you think racism is a schtick then you got problems
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2008, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
your "keepin' it real" act is almost as tired as your ridiculous racism schtick.
if you think racism is a schtick then you got problems
You apparetly have never watched BET stand-up.
That is pretty much the only schtick.
BET is one big minstrel show and in general an embarrassment to black people
lolol
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2008, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
your "keepin' it real" act is almost as tired as your ridiculous racism schtick.
if you think racism is a schtick then you got problems
...right on cue...
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2008, 04:05:23 PM
still waiting...
Your old ass will be dead when I finally get it figured out.
I enjoy how much of a joke the race card has become on here because of IGY. Not that it wasn't already overused anyway.
This thread sucks.
You guys make these threads what they are. I suggest not sucking so much.