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holy shtein, didnt see that coming.
He can't possibly be pissed. After that pathetic showing last year, he;s going to have another chance to show he can play...and make bank while doing it.
surprising I thought with his injuries he was going. I guess they're not worried about his back.
if they keep it on him...i agree, they're doing him a favor
hmm, well i didn't see that coming either. not a bad move at all by the Birds.
this probably only reinforces his own beliefs that he's all-universe.
i wonder what the chances are of him sitting out bc he doesn't feel like it/healthy enough to do camp, celek emerges, then they remove the tag.
Agree to what many have said.. this is a move that seems to serve LJ more than the eagles. Now, knowing the Eagles as we all do, there has to be more to it than that. Either a) LJ's injuries are healing nicely, and the FO believes he will return to the LJ of old, or b) they are not confident in the TE's they would have remaining if LJ were not to play.
You also gotta wonder if this tag sticks... wonder how LJ will respond, considering the mouth he has had lately.
He's a moron if he acts up. Take the money, show you're WORTH a shtein, and then go if you want.
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2008, 04:59:48 PM
if they keep it on him
i think they will definitely keep it on him and one of two things will happen
at a little over four million for only one year thats perfect for them to either groom celek more or draft another te to learn this year
or they wanna use this tag as a negotiating tactic to put pressure on LJ to take a below market long term deal from the eagles
basically i think hes on the eagles in 08 no matter what...the question is is it on a one year deal or a four or five year deal
i'm surprised that people didn't see this coming...it was always a real possibility i thought
the top ufa on every team always has a good chance of getting tagged
plus hes at a position where the avg salary is not that big
it basically was a no brainer
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2008, 05:14:25 PM
i'm surprised that people didn't see this coming...it was always a real possibility i thought
I did and I'm pretty sure I posted it a few times on this board. There was a 0% chance they were getting Dallas Clark and the next best option in free agency would have been LJ. He would have gotten a lucrative deal elsewhere especially consdiring almost every team has a ton of cap space to spend. When he's healthy he's good so I have no problem whatsoever with this move.
Per PE.com and under the rule he can listen to offers from other teams when free agency begins Feb. 29. If Smith signs an offer sheet from another team, the Eagles can either match that offer or allow Smith to join the new team and receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
hmmm..are they looking toward the future with the picks?
did you really just tell us the Franchise Player rule like it was new news?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
the top ufa on every team always has a good chance of getting tagged
plus hes at a position where the avg salary is not that big
it basically was a no brainer
not to mention that the FA market has dick all to offer if they don't retain him
it's a sound move. I wish he were gone but I don't see a better option than this one
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2008, 05:36:16 PM
did you really just tell us the Franchise Player rule like it was new news?
settle down Schwab, I just did a quick copy and paste and didnt want to plagiarize
No one will even sniff at him with the tag on.
True.
So he gets 3.5M+ raise for one year, in which he should be healthy, to prove his worth to the NFL.
And the Eagles don't even cough at the cost to keep the TE corps in tact.
An obvious move, really.
Maybe my memory is failing me but have the Eagles ever had any luck with the franchise tag? The two I remember are Trotter and Simon and in both instances the Eagles let them bitch their way out of it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 07, 2008, 05:59:05 PM
Maybe my memory is failing me but have the Eagles ever had any luck with the franchise tag? The two I remember are Trotter and Simon and in both instances the Eagles let them bitch their way out of it.
They had the grandfather of all franchise tagee's...Reggie White. Except he is dead now and all the birds got was Leonard Renfro and Bruce Walker, and they might as well be too.
I forget my point.
Quote from: Father Demon on February 07, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
Agree to what many have said.. this is a move that seems to serve LJ more than the eagles. Now, knowing the Eagles as we all do, there has to be more to it than that. Either a) LJ's injuries are healing nicely, and the FO believes he will return to the LJ of old, or b) they are not confident in the TE's they would have remaining if LJ were not to play.
You also gotta wonder if this tag sticks... wonder how LJ will respond, considering the mouth he has had lately.
I don't want the LJ of old. The LJ of old would catch the ball and then get stripped while trying get an extra yard with 3 defenders on him. The only thing I would want to see is LJ to actually live up to the potential he had when he was drafted......which was to be a Tony Gonzales-like TE. I don't even think he's had a game like Gonzo, let alone a seaon or career thus far.
Still, it's not hurting the Eagles in any way to put the tag on him other than the fact that it's going to cost them the avg salary of the top 5 TE's, which he is not (Clark, Gonzo, Gates, Crumpler, Whitten, Hot Pants and even Soul-ja Boy are all better). Not that the salary would be overly expensive, but LJ's not really a guy I'd like to pay more than market value for and this team's not in the greatest cap shape this year either.
As long as he doesn't actually play the year out on the franchise tag, I'm fine with it. They've got the tag to use and no one else really worth using it on, so why not? But I'd much rather see them either strike a new deal with him, sign and trade him or remove the tag and let him walk. Of course, the best scenerio would be that another team signs him and gives the Eagles a couple 1st rounders (thanks reese).
Quote from: reese125 on February 07, 2008, 05:35:03 PM
Per PE.com and under the rule he can listen to offers from other teams when free agency begins Feb. 29. If Smith signs an offer sheet from another team, the Eagles can either match that offer or allow Smith to join the new team and receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
hmmm..are they looking toward the future with the picks?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
top 5 worst cf posters
1. cole*
2. reese*
ooooh...did you run home real quick from work, pop on your XXXL white t-shirt and Cross-Colors jeans to ice grill me again nerd..or are you still at work sorting the mail for tomorrow?
The post as a whole is terrible. Horrible come back. But I chuckled at the Cross Color reference.
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Seems like a good move. I dont' think $5 mill is unreasonable.
It would be incredible if someone were to give up 2 first rounders.
Quote from: methdeez on February 07, 2008, 07:24:34 PM
It would be incredible if someone were to give up 2 first rounders.
As long as Matt Millen is still making trades, anything is possible. LJ Smith and a 4th for Roy Williams. HOLLA!
how about this? lol
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Trade_offer_to_Detroit_Lions_for_Roy_Willaims_from_Eagles/128454
wtf is The Truth Team?
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2008, 07:30:01 PM
how about this? lol
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Trade_offer_to_Detroit_Lions_for_Roy_Willaims_from_Eagles/128454
wtf is The Truth Team?
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yeah? show me the post.
Don't think it was posted here. I saw it online the other day and immediately dismissed it because I'm smarter than you.
yeah, thought so dummy, it was only posted 34 hours ago...
i only posted it for comedic content...don't try to pull that repost bullshtein with me...
knife fight, you and me, it's on
Let's settle this like men over a game of Tecmo
no, you cheat and you don't even know how to spell it
Because I tell you what plays I'm calling?
an 85 yard drop back with Randall heaving it to Calvin Williams...TD EAGLES!
I liked throwing to IGY's boy Harper Le Bel....
As for LJ...no real shocker. Considering market value for TEs they're getting a good deal at 4-whatever a year.
No we'll see how much he runs his mouth and what his sleazy agent says.
Here's hoping someone signs him. It could be the safest bet in history that no one will, though, because he's not worth a single #2 much less two #1's.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Here's hoping someone signs him. It could be the safest bet in history that no one will, though, because he's not worth a single #2 much less two #1's.
I'm not positive, but I don't think the rule is that a team must give 2 #1's if the Eagles were willing to accept less. I think that part of it is negotiable but if the Eagles aren't willing to negotiate, then the team must give up the picks. Maybe I'm off though. ???
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Here's hoping someone signs him. It could be the safest bet in history that no one will, though, because he's not worth a single #2 much less two #1's.
I'm not positive, but I don't think the rule is that a team must give 2 #1's if the Eagles were willing to accept less. Maybe I'm off though. ???
Correct. The Eagles can trade his rights away for less. Which does happen a bit. Then the new team would sign LJ to an extension.
Take a #2 for him and be happy you got it.
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
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Greg Cosell via Jody Mac thinks that the eagles got wind of the colts could either resign of franchise Dallas Clark leaving LJ the best TE available, and that the eagles want more than a 2009 3rd round pick in exchange for smith.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 07, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
yeah the hate (or maybe dislike is a more apt description) is a little to strong towards lj for my liking...id be more than happy to resign him long term at fair money
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 07, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
yeah the hate (or maybe dislike is a more apt description) is a little to strong towards lj for my liking...id be more than happy to resign him long term at fair money
Without a doubt. I don't hate him either but he hasn't come close to living up to his potential either and his fumbles drive me insane. That said, TE's of his ability are still hard to come by so I'm all for the Eagles keeping him until a better option presents itself.
I don't hate L.J. I just don't think he's worth a lucrative long-term deal. I have no problem with them tagging his ass at all. In fact, if they tag him for the next five years, I'd be fine with it. I actually like the move very much but if another team falls in love with him and signs him to an offer sheet that would require them to give up a high draft pick or more, I'd have no problem with the Eagles taking the draft picks.
L.J. is what he is... he's a decent player that hasn't done much right or wrong in his time in Philly. His best season was a 650 yard effort with 60 catches. That doesn't scream "franchise player" to me. Not at all.
romey, that doesn't make sense, if you don't think he's a franchise player, why would you be ok with giving him the average of the top 5 TE salaries for the next 5 years?
forget the change of getting picks for him, that rarely happens, the franchise tag is basically a big "hands off" to the rest of the league. if you are going to tag him the next 5 years, just give him a deal with a decent bonus and spread it out over the deal.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2008, 07:43:32 PM
Let's settle this like men over a game of Tecmo
as long as we're spooning and eating provolone cheese
Good move I guess. No one out there better.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2008, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 07, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
yeah the hate (or maybe dislike is a more apt description) is a little to strong towards lj for my liking...id be more than happy to resign him long term at fair money
Without a doubt. I don't hate him either but he hasn't come close to living up to his potential either and his fumbles drive me insane. That said, TE's of his ability are still hard to come by so I'm all for the Eagles keeping him until a better option presents itself.
im not sure what his potential was...he wasnt a top ten pick...he was supposed to be a good pass catching te and other than last year thats exactly what hes been...hes never going to be antonio gates especially in this offense where they spread the ball around so much
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2008, 10:16:04 PM
romey, that doesn't make sense, if you don't think he's a franchise player, why would you be ok with giving him the average of the top 5 TE salaries for the next 5 years?
forget the change of getting picks for him, that rarely happens, the franchise tag is basically a big "hands off" to the rest of the league. if you are going to tag him the next 5 years, just give him a deal with a decent bonus and spread it out over the deal.
I don't mind paying him on a year to year basis. I do mind giving him a longterm extension because his production hasn't warranted one.
Like I said, I do think he has ability, just not the sort of ability that warrants a huge signing bonus plus a string of years that would tie the Eagles to him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 07, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
yeah the hate (or maybe dislike is a more apt description) is a little to strong towards lj for my liking...id be more than happy to resign him long term at fair money
I agree. While LJ hasn't been spectacular... he's been better than what people really give him credit for. Also, the fumble reputation is a little unwarranted as well. I think it's more that he fumbled in high-profile situations (against MIN that Freddie caught, the SB), more than the amount of fumbles.
He's been a decent TE (a playmaker at times) who can stretch the field and get YAC when he's hit in stride. Got no problems if he was signed long-term.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
Also, the fumble reputation is a little unwarranted as well. I think it's more that he fumbled in high-profile situations (against MIN that Freddie caught, the SB), more than the amount of fumbles.
absolutey the problem is ridiculously overrated....something that also contributes to the perception that hes a terrible fumbler is that they happened in a small window of time (ie the 2004 playoffs) which always accentuates the problem
i would bet he doesnt have more than 5 career fumbles total...no idea how many hes lost
I also agree with the fumble thing...I've always said that its ridiculous to consider him to have a fumble problem.
He's lost 2 total fumbles in his career. 3 fumbles, 2 lost.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 08, 2008, 09:31:15 AM
He's lost 2 total fumbles in his career. 3 fumbles, 2 lost.
That makes him a regular Tiki Barber, doesn't it?
Another thing about the LJ perception... I think he got off on the wrong foot his rookie year with that "dropped" pass in the end zone against Tampa... and people got down on him from the start. It was a much tougher catch than people want to admit to. It's not like Neckbeard hit him between the numbers.
just looked it up and to be fair those are his regular season stats...he has two post season fumbles losing one...but still its not a huge problem and definitely isnt a reason to get rid of him
I heard LJ fumbles the ball a lot
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 06:29:32 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2008, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 07, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
No. A healthy LJ is more better than a 2nd round pick.
yeah the hate (or maybe dislike is a more apt description) is a little to strong towards lj for my liking...id be more than happy to resign him long term at fair money
Without a doubt. I don't hate him either but he hasn't come close to living up to his potential either and his fumbles drive me insane. That said, TE's of his ability are still hard to come by so I'm all for the Eagles keeping him until a better option presents itself.
im not sure what his potential was...he wasnt a top ten pick...he was supposed to be a good pass catching te and other than last year thats exactly what hes been...hes never going to be antonio gates especially in this offense where they spread the ball around so much
No, he wasn't a #1 pick but coming out of college, the reports on him was that he was athletic, had great hands and would really be able to stretch the field, especially down the seam. I've seen flashes of that over the last few years but I haven't seen it with any sort of consistancy. His pass and run blocking, while it has improved over the years, is still subpar with what you'd like to get out of your starting TE.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2008, 09:33:43 AM
Another thing about the LJ perception... I think he got off on the wrong foot his rookie year with that "dropped" pass in the end zone against Tampa... and people got down on him from the start. It was a much tougher catch than people want to admit to. It's not like Neckbeard hit him between the numbers.
I know I wasn't really mad at him for that. Maybe I'm in the minority but I never felt LJ should get much blame for that play. It wasn't a great pass like you mentioned and I thought it was dumb of Reid to put him in that position in the first place. Sorry, but I don't think you take a rookie in his first pro game and make him the go to guy on a gadget play. Not to mention the fact that as the Eagles were lining up for the FG I was saying to my buddies watching the game with me that it would be a fake. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who saw that coming.
Like I said earlier, I like the dude and wouldn't mind seeing him ink a long term deal. But he's one player I absolutely would not over pay to keep, and playing under the franchise tag salary is over paying him.....a lot.
I have never hidden the fact that I think LJ is overrated. But there is nothing better in the FA market, so the franchise tag is a smart move. I hope he signs the one year tender and the team doesn't stop looking for the future at TE.
Man.
CF luvs them sum LJ.
LJ didn't seem too thrilled with the tag in his interview with DGunn.
that's because lj thinks he's antonio gates.
i wouldn't mind if that blockhead pulled a trotter/simon and wound up getting released.
dont know what interview youre talking about but in the dgunn interview on csn he said it was a positive that they tagged him because it means the team believes that he can be good if healthy and he also said that he would have more trouble going into mini camps last year with a year left on his deal than this year with the tag
the biggest thing out of all that i heard was that he said when he goes to mini camp this year
it also sounded like he was intimating that it would be advantageous for him to sign a long term deal with the eagles
so im confused as to what youre talking about because i heard nothing but positive stuff coming from him
His overall demeanor was pouting and the "positive' stuff didn't come up until DGunn outright said "Okay but you can also look at this in the positive way, and that is that the Eagles want you back for at least another year)"
And I can't remember the exact wording but I'm pretty sure the interview led off with something to the effect of "how do you feel?" and "a little bit disappointing"
lol
he said he was surprised and that he had already said bye to some of his teammates...the word disappointing was never uttered
"Any time you have a job in this league, it's a good situation," Smith said by telephone last night. "Being that I come from humble roots, I'm not going to act spoiled about this. I know most people would die to be in the situation I'm in."
"It's still kind of weird, because I really, really wasn't expecting to be here," Smith said when asked about the franchise tag. "Now, it's a one-year deal. I really didn't help myself by being injured. If I had a great season and they franchise-tagged me, I'd be upset. I'm happy they're bringing me back, but it is a one-year deal, and I'm going to be in the same boat this year as next year.
"Hopefully I'll be healthy and be able to show people what I'm capable of doing. I do still want that long-term security, but I wasn't expecting to get it from the Eagles. Obviously they've evaluated me and they're saying, 'When L.J. is healthy we can use him and he helps us.' That's a compliment and I'll take it. Philly is a great place to play when you're winning, and hopefully we can get some wins and I can help this team pick up where it left off."
Again, none of that "positive" attitude came up in the interview with DGunn until he forced the issue and said "BUT there is some positive to this, LJ..."
Even Gunn could see that LJ was being pouty about it and tried to spin it in a positive way for him right in front of his face.
Of course had this been McNabb pouting, the entire world would jump down his throat.
Quote from: troyhstewart on February 08, 2008, 10:23:53 AMBut there is nothing better in the FA market, so the franchise tag is a smart move. I hope he signs the one year tender and the team doesn't stop looking for the future at TE.
yeah, I'm feeling the same way
Quote from: hunt on February 08, 2008, 12:28:44 PM
that's because lj thinks he's antonio gates.
All idiot athletes think they are as good as the great one..Trotter wanted Ray Ray money...Simon wanted Sapp money...neither of them were worth what they wanted, and time will prove that neither is LJ worth what he thinks he is..
the rep for fumbles comes also from his fumbling hands failing to pull in the catches that starting TEs take in, and his reckless manner of carrying the ball once he does have it...the guy just doesn't inspire confidence in any way.
and also...he can't block for shtein...I just can't stand that in a TE...no matter what system the coach is running your starting TE needs to be a decent blocker at worst
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:43:34 PM
Of course had this been McNabb pouting, the entire world would jump down his throat.
please show us any proof whatsoever that lj is pouting....a quote a video ANYTHING other than this.....
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
And I can't remember the exact wording
Well considering that I just watched the interview about 30 minutes ago and LJ had the :( look going, I'm going to go ahead and say he was being pouty about it.
DGunn trying to put a positive spin on it right there in the interview after realizing LJ was being pouty about it, he obviously agrees with me.
We can sit here and over analyze every one of McNabb's facial expressions, words, and the way they're said in interviews, but god forbid someone does the same thing to LJ Smith.
Oh, this is great...another vigy/Munron joint...how refreshing
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Well considering that I just watched the interview about 30 minutes ago and LJ had the :( look going, I'm going to go ahead and say he was being pouty about it.
DGunn trying to put a positive spin on it right there in the interview after realizing LJ was being pouty about it, he obviously agrees with me.
i watched the interview this morning & that's exactly how it went. if gunn hadn't put his positive spin on things, blockhead would still be pouting.
lj smith farging admitted that he hurt his value and didnt really deserve a big long term deal cause of his injuries...what player ever says shtein like that...but hes pouting??
do you ever get tired of playing yourself the idiot?
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Well considering that I just watched the interview about 30 minutes ago and LJ had the :( look going, I'm going to go ahead and say he was being pouty about it.
well that settles it
Well IGY thinks he's right about everything so it's fun to poke at him a little here and there. Apparently a guy who's smart enough to say all the right things to the media can't appear to be pouting in his one TV interview since the tagging.
This is part of what makes CF so refreshing and new. That way no one has to start any threads about the quality of CF going downhill.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 12:56:54 PM
lj smith farging admitted that he hurt his value and didnt really deserve a big long term deal cause of his injuries...what player ever says shtein like that...but hes pouting??
do you ever get tired of playing yourself the idiot?
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Well considering that I just watched the interview about 30 minutes ago and LJ had the :( look going, I'm going to go ahead and say he was being pouty about it.
well that settles it
It's funny and ironic that you're getting mad because someone is taking a guess at what's going on in a players head based on his demeanor and the way he said things in a TV interview. That almost reminds me of someone I know...someone that posts here.
Anyone who watched that interview saw that even Gunner tried to bail LJ's ass out of negative town by trying to say "hey man, look, here's the positive side of it"
Of course you won't listen because, well, you're a douche bag.
so we've got a moron in Munson saying that LJ was pouting and an obvious hater in hunt corroborating? damning evidence to say the least
Quote from: Diomedes on February 08, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
the rep for fumbles comes also from his fumbling hands failing to pull in the catches that starting TEs take in, and his reckless manner of carrying the ball once he does have it...the guy just doesn't inspire confidence in any way.
This.
I can't tell you how many times I scream at L.J. through the television telling him to secure the ball. Jesus, he's a farging heart attack waiting to happen to me.
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2008, 01:01:03 PM
so we've got a moron in Munson saying that LJ was pouting and an obvious hater in hunt corroborating? damning evidence to say the least
Says the guy permanently attached to IGY at the anal entrance.
there's a heavily chopped up version of the interview here:
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/multimedia.asp
i don't know what i was thinking...lj is obviously thrilled with the situation.
Quote from: hunt on February 08, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
there's a heavily chopped up version of the interview here:
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/multimedia.asp
i don't know what i was thinking...lj is obviously thrilled with the situation.
Ecstatic!
The best part is that the whole "and maybe that is a postive" bit in which he's still looking like he just smelled DGunn's fart is after DGunn had to say "well look at it this way, in a positive light"
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 12:57:33 PM
Well IGY thinks he's right about everything so it's fun to poke at him a little here and there. Apparently a guy who's smart enough to say all the right things to the media can't appear to be pouting in his one TV interview since the tagging.
This is part of what makes CF so refreshing and new. That way no one has to start any threads about the quality of CF going downhill.
its not a matter of what i think...im going by what lj himself said youre apparently using your fbi profiler experience to deduce what hes thinking
until he holds out of camp or him or his agent come out and publically say they are unhappy with the tag then hes not pouting period....in fact i cant ever recall a player whos been this honest concillatory and calm about a franchise tag
it seems to me for whatever reason you want him to be pouty
plus even if he was upset it wouldnt be pouting it would be disgust at a bogus rule that is hugely unfair to players...but thats another thread
Quote from: hunt on February 08, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
there's a heavily chopped up version of the interview here:
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/multimedia.asp
i don't know what i was thinking...lj is obviously thrilled with the situation.
who said he was thrilled?
no player would ever be thrilled at getting their earned free agency taken from them...in fact hes probably not happy...but to say hes pouty is ridiculous
LJ is def. doing a bit of the woe is me mope (next year I'm gonna be in the same position as this year because of this tag now...etc.), but he's still basically saying the right things (a lot of people would kill to be in my position, so I'm not going to complain).
arguing over this point is highly lame though...he's just a stupid athlete giving a soundbyte to a corps of hacks so they can sell papers.
on the field, the guy is middling to better than average, and that's okay for another year given what's on offer elsewhere, so here's to hoping Celek comes on strong next year
Analyzing an athlete's state of mind is always fun.
its more fun just to point out another time where Munson is monumentally stupid
I agree that he's saying all the right things. But that's because he's smart and he's seem what has happened to guys that start running off at the mouth.
But IGY's being retarded to deny that he's definitely being mopey about it on camera and can't even submit to the fact that DGunn saw that himself and said "Well, looking at it in a positive way...." You know, implying that everything else in the interview up until that point had been kind of a "glass is half empty" approach from Smith.
But hey, farg it. I just want to see the tag work for once with this team. Reggie, Trotter, Simon....FAIL. If it doesn't work this time I don't think any player this team tags will ever take it seriously ever again.
He probably just finished eating a big meal at Olive Garden. They currently are featuring a Lasagna Rollatini with your choice of chicken or sausage. Combine that with their salad and breadsticks, you're done for the night. Everytime I have an interview after Olive Garden, I'm usually pouty myself. I usually just want to go home and fart. Which is what L.J. was probably feeling. You could see it in his face, he had gas.
I'll stand by my point, I think DGunn farted and LJ was getting a whiff of it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2008, 01:08:56 PM
Analyzing an athlete's state of mind is always fun.
LJ has 4.5 million reasons to be happy
Maybe he'll tell his mom to go write a blog about it, like McNabb did.
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 01:10:47 PM
I agree that he's saying all the right things. But that's because he's smart and he's seem what has happened to guys that start running off at the mouth.
But IGY's being retarded to deny that he's definitely being mopey about it on camera and can't even submit to the fact that DGunn saw that himself and said "Well, looking at it in a positive way...." You know, implying that everything else in the interview up until that point had been kind of a "glass is half empty" approach from Smith.
what you dont understand and the point youre completely missing is that players universally DESPISE the franchise tag rule and almost across the board when put on them will at best keep their mouth shut and say nothing and at worst blow up and not come back until they get a deal or are released...now look at lj's repsonse to him being tagged and think of how galactically stupid you sound when you say he is "pouting"
if anything he should be celebrated for being so cordial about it
basically you searched the planet for a person to jump on that would make you look as stupid as possible....you then found that person and leaped off the top rope
Who farging cares what those overpaid dickheads hate or love?
If they're so upset at how they're treated, then let them get a real job.
You're right!
Great job, LJ!
Way to stay positive!
I love to hate you!
YOU'RE NOT POUTING OR BEING MOPEY IN THE LEAST BIT!
Of course when McNabb says the right things to the media about something he doesn't like or agree with, he still gets the "moping" tag...particularly from you.
Just because it's something that is generally hated still doesn't make it okay to be all woe is me about it. If he plays out the year healthy he'll be making more money then he would have elsewhere had he signed a contract. No one was going to throw 4.whatever million at him in the first year of whatever deal he signed because he just came off a year of injury and has been good-yet-inconsistant his entire career. He's just pissy because there's no signing bonus/guaranteed money in it. Good. You've been good, great at times, and inconsistant mostly, go out there and earn your money.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:07:01 PM
its not a matter of what i think...im going by what lj himself said youre apparently using your fbi profiler experience to deduce what hes thinking
isnt that what you do though? esp when it concerns mcnabb? your like cleo when it comes to mcnabbs feelings, emotions, gestures, or how he takes a dump.
lj did not seem thrilled...you could label it pouty, mopey, sad, deflated...who cares?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:07:01 PM
its not a matter of what i think...im going by what lj himself said youre apparently using your fbi profiler experience to deduce what hes thinking
isnt that what you do though? esp when it concerns mcnabb? your like cleo when it comes to mcnabbs feelings, emotions, gestures, or how he takes a dump.
lj did not seem thrilled...you could label it pouty, mopey, sad, deflated...who cares?
we dont wanna get into all mcnabbs antics...both spoken and unspoken....been there done that...its all public record
anyway now i see where all this is coming from....its the mcnabb fan club trying to tear down another player to make jingle balls seem not as bitch
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2008, 01:26:55 PM
Who farging cares what those overpaid dickheads hate or love?
If they're so upset at how they're treated, then let them get a real job.
they do a job that less than half of 1% of the poluation could do...id say its pretty damn real
Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2008, 01:27:26 PM
You're right!
Great job, LJ!
Way to stay positive!
I love to hate you!
YOU'RE NOT POUTING OR BEING MOPEY IN THE LEAST BIT!
Of course when McNabb says the right things to the media about something he doesn't like or agree with, he still gets the "moping" tag...particularly from you.
Just because it's something that is generally hated still doesn't make it okay to be all woe is me about it. If he plays out the year healthy he'll be making more money then he would have elsewhere had he signed a contract. No one was going to throw 4.whatever million at him in the first year of whatever deal he signed because he just came off a year of injury and has been good-yet-inconsistant his entire career. He's just pissy because there's no signing bonus/guaranteed money in it. Good. You've been good, great at times, and inconsistant mostly, go out there and earn your money.
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Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:07:01 PM
its not a matter of what i think...im going by what lj himself said youre apparently using your fbi profiler experience to deduce what hes thinking
isnt that what you do though? esp when it concerns mcnabb? your like cleo when it comes to mcnabbs feelings, emotions, gestures, or how he takes a dump.
lj did not seem thrilled...you could label it pouty, mopey, sad, deflated...who cares?
But McNabb is very obviously a bitch. Obviously. We can tell by what he says and how he says it. He mopes.
Speaking of McNabb...I'm liking that he's getting more vocal with AR and the front office. He's calling for more playmakers, and he was apparently lobbying for them to resign LJ. He seems to realize that his window for winning a championship during his career is getting smaller every year and it seems his words have at least some weight with the FO.
IGY-That face stopped being humorous after the first time you used it. Read, you might learn.
You know what I meant.
Let him sweat and break his back digging ditches or working as a brick layer for a couple of years. He stands to clear over $3,000,000 for one year's work. That's not a real job... that's an Olivia Newton-John in Xanadu type gig.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
You know what I meant.
Let him sweat and break his back digging ditches or working as a brick layer for a couple of years. He stands to clear over $3,000,000 for one year's work. That's not a real job... that's an Olivia Newton-John in Xanadu type gig.
being an nfl player is much more demanding than digging a ditch...not more important mind you...but a much harder job
yeah, playing a game for millions is much harder than breaking your back for hundreds
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
being an nfl player is much more demanding than digging a ditch...not more important mind you...but a much harder job
No.
a side note
did anyone listen to lj's press conference yesterday...it was so funny...there were like 15 questions in row from bill hoffman reuben frank les bowen and a bunch of guys from some of the smaller area papers...all asking how lj felt about the tag and free agency signing the tender staying with or leaving the eagles and related topics...
then out of nowhere you hear "hi lj dave spadaro of the philadelphia eagles" and he asks a question about if last year was difficult getting into the offense cause he was hurt
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
You know what I meant.
Let him sweat and break his back digging ditches or working as a brick layer for a couple of years. He stands to clear over $3,000,000 for one year's work. That's not a real job... that's an Olivia Newton-John in Xanadu type gig.
being an nfl player is much more demanding than digging a ditch...not more important mind you...but a much harder job
I'm going to argue that a football player is as, if not more important, than a ditch.
I like to see football players buried in a ditch...stupid jocks.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2008, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
You know what I meant.
Let him sweat and break his back digging ditches or working as a brick layer for a couple of years. He stands to clear over $3,000,000 for one year's work. That's not a real job... that's an Olivia Newton-John in Xanadu type gig.
being an nfl player is much more demanding than digging a ditch...not more important mind you...but a much harder job
I'm going to argue that a football player is as, if not more important, than a ditch.
Id love to know why its so much harder. Probably because the schemes are so complex, conditioning, training camp, or they can get cut and be left on the street broke right? Christ almighty. Left for broke happens to blue-collar workers, getting paid miniscule, working 3x's more the hours...but hey its typical IGY.
depends on the location, size, and purpose of said ditch
Quote from: Diomedes on February 08, 2008, 02:28:47 PM
I like to see football players buried in a ditch...stupid jocks.
winston justice first in
Quote from: reese125 on February 08, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
Id love to know why its so much harder.
because even you could dig a ditch
Im hoping you fall in one tonight when your playing cartoon tag with your friends
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2008, 02:35:50 PM
depends on the location, size, and purpose of said ditch
purposeful ditch > punter?
absolutely
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2008, 02:35:50 PM
depends on the location, size, and purpose of said ditch
Panama Canal > LJ
your definition of ditch is rather vague
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2008, 02:58:14 PM
your definition of ditch is rather vague
Your old ladys ditch < LJ
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we dont wanna get into all mcnabbs antics...both spoken and unspoken....been there done that...its all public record
anyway now i see where all this is coming from....its the mcnabb fan club trying to tear down another player to make jingle balls seem not as bitch
not really but i do see the doubel standard. in the past you have told us intimate details about mcnabbs life. if he will be up for a game or if he will cower like a loser (2nd dallas game this season or the first dallas game last season). now you call out another poster for doing the same thing based on a interview he saw.
LJ who has been pretty much telling the whole world for over a yr now that he doesnt expect to be back and that he wants a long term deal...seems less than thrilled about the franchise tag you go tell everyone its not being pouty, its called not being thrilled. semantics.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
not really but i do see the doubel standard. in the past you have told us intimate details about mcnabbs life. if he will be up for a game or if he will cower like a loser (2nd dallas game this season or the first dallas game last season). now you call out another poster for doing the same thing based on a interview he saw.
LJ who has been pretty much telling the whole world for over a yr now that he doesnt expect to be back and that he wants a long term deal...seems less than thrilled about the franchise tag you go tell everyone its not being pouty, its called not being thrilled. semantics.
ITS OVER WHY DO YOU INSIST ON PROLONGING THESE ARGUMENTS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXPIRATION DATE, JESUS!!!
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lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
not really but i do see the doubel standard. in the past you have told us intimate details about mcnabbs life. if he will be up for a game or if he will cower like a loser (2nd dallas game this season or the first dallas game last season). now you call out another poster for doing the same thing based on a interview he saw.
LJ who has been pretty much telling the whole world for over a yr now that he doesnt expect to be back and that he wants a long term deal...seems less than thrilled about the franchise tag you go tell everyone its not being pouty, its called not being thrilled. semantics.
ITS OVER WHY DO YOU INSIST ON PROLONGING THESE ARGUMENTS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXPIRATION DATE, JESUS!
lol@over-reacting... the fact that you can't see the hypocrisy is some fine farging entertainment....
yeah i dont care...return to your usual posting....MUNSON SUXORZ!
Quote from: Father Demon on February 08, 2008, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
not really but i do see the doubel standard. in the past you have told us intimate details about mcnabbs life. if he will be up for a game or if he will cower like a loser (2nd dallas game this season or the first dallas game last season). now you call out another poster for doing the same thing based on a interview he saw.
LJ who has been pretty much telling the whole world for over a yr now that he doesnt expect to be back and that he wants a long term deal...seems less than thrilled about the franchise tag you go tell everyone its not being pouty, its called not being thrilled. semantics.
ITS OVER WHY DO YOU INSIST ON PROLONGING THESE ARGUMENTS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXPIRATION DATE, JESUS!
lol@over-reacting... the fact that you can't see the hypocrisy is some fine farging entertainment....
wow youre slow
really if LJ could consult Tiki on his ball placement and learn how to block like a man, he might actually go somewhere. at least try your damn hardest this year to fix those relatively simple problems to earn yourself a better paycheck or maybe the guys happy with a cool million or 3 every year and being subpar. either way i lose and he gets rich. farg my life
Six pages on fargin' LJ Smith! I'd sooner spend time talking about global warming.
Farg him, he sucks, and we are stuck with him. A franchise tag does nothing but prove just how much this team misjudges talent.
did i forget to mention how bad LJ sucks? He's no better than a journeyman. Boss who replaced Shockey is twice as good.
Maybe I forgot to say LJ can't block, and he sucks.
......and this is the player our team franchises? Oh well, with the way they draft, I guess they figured they are ahead of the game.
dumbfargs.
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2008, 10:07:18 PM
......and this is the player our team franchises?
Other options:
Tapeh
JamesPeterson
Kimo
Mahe
You pick.
Quote from: Father Demon on February 08, 2008, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 08, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
not really but i do see the doubel standard. in the past you have told us intimate details about mcnabbs life. if he will be up for a game or if he will cower like a loser (2nd dallas game this season or the first dallas game last season). now you call out another poster for doing the same thing based on a interview he saw.
LJ who has been pretty much telling the whole world for over a yr now that he doesnt expect to be back and that he wants a long term deal...seems less than thrilled about the franchise tag you go tell everyone its not being pouty, its called not being thrilled. semantics.
ITS OVER WHY DO YOU INSIST ON PROLONGING THESE ARGUMENTS WELL BEYOND THEIR EXPIRATION DATE, JESUS!
the fact that you can't see the hypocrisy is some fine farging entertainment....
Shhh...he's pretending he's right.
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2008, 10:07:18 PM
......and this is the player our team franchises? Oh well, with the way they draft, I guess they figured they are ahead of the game.
dumbfargs.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2008, 10:03:06 PM
did i forget to mention how bad LJ sucks? He's no better than a journeyman. Boss who replaced Shockey is twice as good.
Yet LJ Smith has accomplished more than twice as much production-wise.
Weird!
Quote from: King Cole on February 09, 2008, 12:34:50 AM
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2008, 10:03:06 PM
did i forget to mention how bad LJ sucks? He's no better than a journeyman. Boss who replaced Shockey is twice as good.
Yet LJ Smith has accomplished more than twice as much production-wise.
Weird!
Boss is a rookie who ended up starting for a Superbowl team, 8 of his 9 catches were for 1st downs and he had 2 td's on a team with Plax and Toomer. LJ gets a lot of recepts. on this team, but they never translate into big stats. He had over twice as many recepts. as Boss and only 1 td on a team with only one reciever that had over 5 td's.
I haven't seen much of him but what I've seen says he's better than LJ already.
It just makes me shake my head that the Giants backup seems to be better than any TE on our roster.
it makes you shake your head because it's not true...but we get it already, you hate LJ
If it's any consolation (and it shouldn't be), the Eagles were really interested in Boss and would have taken him instead of Celek if the Giants hadn't taken him a couple picks earlier.
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2008, 10:01:04 PM
Six pages on fargin' LJ Smith! I'd sooner spend time talking about global warming.
its our master plan to get rjs back...lots of
new threads about nothing...lots of FUNNY threads...lots of non serious talk...
To be honest, who's a better option out there for the birds at TE? Clark will probably get tagged in Indy, leaving no good TE's available. I'd rather have a healthy Smith for 1 more year instead of Celek, Schoebl, and a draft pick...
At least it gives them another year to see what Celek can do.
this is about a week old, but anyone see Ike on DNL talking about LJ? He s-l-a-m-m-e-d him. he said the obvious, like, is he a gates/gonzo/clark? no. but the thing that surprised me was ike said LJ could never put it together between the ears. he said he was always worried about things other than football. what are they thinking about me? how am i performing? when's my contract up? how much money will i make? what's so and so doing and how am i doing compared to him? ...ike said he never just shut off the outside world and concentrated on football when it was time to step inbetween the lines. he said he has the athletic body, high round pick status...everything. he said he's not worried about the run blocking bc in this system the te is made to be a pass catching te first. kinda worry about blocking when you have to but first and foremost the concern is to catch the ball and be a receiving threat and LJ could never put it all together. he said every te we've had since big red was here wasn't a great blocker....and didn't really need to be bc the focus of the offense is to pass. barkan (sp?) and ike also said said that he's not even the focal point of the offense and he's only avg'ing THREE td's a year and about 40 rec.'s...and he should be getting about 60-70 catches with 7-9 td's. barkan asked ike is it he's not the focal point of the offense and not putting up those numbers bc he just can't do it athletically or he's better than he thinks he is. ike said it was a combination of both and went back again to saying LJ just couldn't put it together between the ears. even a couple years before he was supposed to be a ufa, that's what took up most of mind. it seemed as if even though fa was a 2-3 years down the road, that's all lj was concerned about.
Holy shtein, dude. :o
Capital letters and paragraphs.
PLEASE!
adderall doesn't allow me to break up my thoughts. :)
That's interesting, I must have missed that episode of DNL. I did hear Ray Didinger on WIP saying LJ was the 13th best TE in the league and he doesn't understand why the Eagles franchised him.
13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.
why would anyone question franchising him...it was a total no brainer
It certainly warrants questioning. He's going to get paid the avg salary of the top 5 TE's in the league, which he most certainly isn't. But when you look at the big picture, it was still the right move to make.
yeah but thats just hating on what a guys making...as far as football goes its a no lose move
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM
13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.
LJ is clearly worse than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Todd Heap, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Kellen Winslow, Chris Cooley, Alge Crumpler, and Jeremy Shockey (though I'd prefer having LJ to Shockey). He is on a similar level as Ben Watson, Randy McMichael, Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, Tony Scheffler, and Vernon Davis, and how you rank him among those guys is a matter of opinion.
Franchising him for one year is not a big deal and is a good move considering the alternatives and how cheap it is to franchise a TE. Continuing to franchise him for years, as someone suggested upthread, would be dumb.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 10, 2008, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM
13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.
LJ is clearly worse than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Todd Heap, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Kellen Winslow, Chris Cooley, Alge Crumpler, and Jeremy Shockey (though I'd prefer having LJ to Shockey). He is on a similar level as Ben Watson, Randy McMichael, Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, Tony Scheffler, and Vernon Davis, and how you rank him among those guys is a matter of opinion.
Ben Watson and Heath Miller are far superior players than LJ. The thing about TE is you have to look at
blocking and receiving, and how much of an opportunity the player gets to make plays.
13th is Ray DIdinger's opinion, not mine, mine might be slightly lower.
the eagles dont have a power running game so needing a te that blocks is overrated in their offense
Paying someone the average of the top five players at his position for one year is nothing because the Eagles (and every other team) are swimming in cash right now. Money means nothing for one year especially at a position like tight end which is fairly low paid to begin with.
No.
Brainer.
Quote from: troyhstewart on February 10, 2008, 03:09:50 PMBen Watson and Heath Miller are far superior players than LJ.
I agree with you. Heath Miller especially is a game-changing guy who plays way beyond his numbers. After watching Boss this year, LJ might not even be the fourth-best TE in the division. 7th in the league is way too high.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 10, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Paying someone the average of the top five players at his position for one year is nothing because the Eagles (and every other team) are swimming in cash right now. Money means nothing for one year especially at a position like tight end which is fairly low paid to begin with.
No.
Brainer.
it still counts against the cap
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 10, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
the eagles dont have a power running game so needing a te that blocks is overrated in their offense
In case you can't grasp the concept, I'm evaluating and comparing TEs around the league, not breaking down offensive systems and what fits those systems.
i dont give a flying farg about the rest of the league
Quote from: SunMo on February 10, 2008, 03:31:56 PM
it still counts against the cap
In 2008. Not in 2009, 2010, etc.
It's one year and it's a make or break thing for him. If he produces like he's capable of producing then he's worth it. If not, they have a year from the moment he signs to find a replacement. Either way they still have Celek who's at least decent and Schobel who's barely competent.
high five
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 10, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
the eagles dont have a power running game so needing a te that blocks is overrated in their offense
granted..it would however be nice if he could pick up a blitzer considering how much the Eagles pass...
LJ doesn't block well. blocking, whether in the run or pass game, is half the TE job no matter what your system is...
lies
very few te's block anymore
Conventional wisdom doesn't apply where the Eagles are concerned. They have a pass-first offense with zesty receivers. They have a west coast offense and their best player by far on offense is a farging running back. They have an offensive line that is the biggest in the NFL and they pass the ball 60 percent of the time.
To call them retarded and backwards is an insult to backward retards everywhere.
PFT jumped all over this quote from LJ in Brookover's article:
Quote"I've never been the type to [sit out]. I know what it takes for me to be ready, but me sitting at home and not working out with whoever the starting quarterback is, I'm not really cool with that. I just have to talk to my agent and see what he thinks we should do."
blah blah blah.
::)
florio LOVES the gossip around philly. he's always making mountains out of molehills about the eagles. lj/qb/gruden/reid/....
pft is basically the onion of the sports world
a lot of their stuff is pretty funny but as far as being taken seriously no
whatever...if you follow the NFL at all, you read his shtein every day
or never
He's a die hard Skins fans.
I have nothing to contribute.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 10, 2008, 11:53:04 AM
this is about a week old, but anyone see Ike on DNL talking about LJ? He s-l-a-m-m-e-d him. he said the obvious, like, is he a gates/gonzo/clark? no. but the thing that surprised me was ike said LJ could never put it together between the ears.
ike must be a hater. how dare he insinuate that lj a blockhead.
Ike is way skinny. LOL
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
It certainly warrants questioning. He's going to get paid the avg salary of the top 5 TE's in the league, which he most certainly isn't. But when you look at the big picture, it was still the right move to make.
Correct me if I am worng, but this average salary does not include Signing Bonuses, which is obviously a huge part of a players money, so in some situations it can be a discount.
Quote from: methdeez on February 11, 2008, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
It certainly warrants questioning. He's going to get paid the avg salary of the top 5 TE's in the league, which he most certainly isn't. But when you look at the big picture, it was still the right move to make.
Correct me if I am worng, but this average salary does not include Signing Bonuses, which is obviously a huge part of a players money, so in some situations it can be a discount.
Good point, and that very well may be the case. So if we're talking about base salaries, then it certainly takes the sting out of it.
Good thinking.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2008, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: methdeez on February 11, 2008, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
It certainly warrants questioning. He's going to get paid the avg salary of the top 5 TE's in the league, which he most certainly isn't. But when you look at the big picture, it was still the right move to make.
Correct me if I am worng, but this average salary does not include Signing Bonuses, which is obviously a huge part of a players money, so in some situations it can be a discount.
Good point, and that very well may be the case. So if we're talking about base salaries, then it certainly takes the sting out of it.
Good thinking.
Agree good point. Also the player wouldn't have any of the other incentives and bonuses players often have. Maybe that's a reason why a player gets a 20% increase for each year he is re-tagged, to compensate for other lost money.
The amount actually does include signing bonuses. The franchise amount is actually the average of the top 5 cap commitments of players at the position, not just the base salaries.
In that case, I'm back to kind of hating this.
Would you like it more if I told you that LJ likes you personally? I mean... likes you likes you, not just likes you.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:05:39 PM
In that case, I'm back to kind of hating this.
lol...either you hated paying him 4.5 mil for one year or you didnt....why hes getting paid that much is irrelevant isnt it
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 12, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
Would you like it more if I told you that LJ likes you personally? I mean... likes you likes you, not just likes you.
Why? Have you heard something?
$4.5M for a starting tight end of L.J.'s caliber is nothing especially considering the Eagles have plenty of room under the 2008 cap.
It's for this year and nothing else. Again, where is the problem? It's just money and it's just one year. There is no down side unless he gets injured again. If that's the case then it's one and done and sayonara.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 12, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
Would you like it more if I told you that LJ likes you personally? I mean... likes you likes you, not just likes you.
Why? Have you heard something?
I can neither confirm nor deny.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 12, 2008, 02:25:05 PM
$4.5M for a starting tight end of L.J.'s caliber is nothing especially considering the Eagles have plenty of room under the 2008 cap.
It's for this year and nothing else. Again, where is the problem? It's just money and it's just one year. There is no down side unless he gets injured again. If that's the case then it's one and done and sayonara.
he wont even be in the top five highest paid eagles this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2008, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:05:39 PM
In that case, I'm back to kind of hating this.
lol...either you hated paying him 4.5 mil for one year or you didnt....why hes getting paid that much is irrelevant isnt it
No dum-dum, you're not following. I've said from the beginning that I didn't like the Eagles paying him the avg salary of the top 5 TE's. He's not worth it. But when methdeez said that he thought the salary was limited to base salary average not including bonuses, I said that it doesn't sting as much.
The actual dollar amount is irrelevant to me. Under the franchise tag, he's getting overpaid and isn't exactly worth overpaying (at least not what he'll be making). Of course, if the Eagles are able to strike a longterm deal with him and pay him something a lot closer to what he's worth, then I'm fine with that.
I just think it's funny that the Eagles are so quick to dramatically overpay LJ yet they won't even think about paying market value to talented recievers or linebackers.
Sassy... you're looking at this wrong...
The cap will be $116M +/- this season. If L.J. makes $4.5M that's 3.8% of the total figure.
That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Who gives a farg if he's overpaid in terms of other players? Other players are getting paid like that but they're also getting huge bonuses to sign and teams are attaching themselves to those players for years at a time.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 12, 2008, 02:39:09 PM
Sassy... you're looking at this wrong...
The cap will be $116M +/- this season. If L.J. makes $4.5M that's 3.8% of the total figure.
That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Who gives a farg if he's overpaid in terms of other players? Other players are getting paid like that but they're also getting huge bonuses to sign and teams are attaching themselves to those players for years at a time.
I'm not attached to the $ figure or how it affects the cap. I know it's a low risk/high reward opportunity. Alls I'm saying is that the Eagles are willing to overpay for an above average TE but they're extreme tight wads when it comes to other positions of need. It just doesn't make much sense. Why over pay for a player who hasn't heavily figured into the offense over the last few years? Just taking a stab in the dark here but I'm guessing that Smith has contributed about as many total yards as Buck and probably less touchdowns.
They've got the tag and LJ is the "most worthy" person they've got to use it on. LJ's happy he's getting more money and it gives the Eagles more time to work out a long term deal with him at a fair price. And if they manage to work that out then it would be money well spent. I'm not up in arms pissed about this. But I am questioning it a little bit.
Adam Eaton will still make roughly twice what L.J. will make this year.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 12, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
Adam Eaton will still make roughly twice what L.J. will make this year.
When are we going to franchise Buckhalter?
If that guy hits the open market, watch out!
The bottom line here is this;
For this offense to thrive, and for Donovan to be at his best, a competent TE is needed. I've got my beefs with LJ and towards the end of the year I wouldnt have been sad to see him go. But he's better than whats out there, he's got one year at a cheap salary to prove himself and quite honestly, they need him.
His salary is chump change and it is not a long term deal.
I'd be more pissed if they would have let him go and then been forced to sign a bum like Visanthe Shiancoe to a crazy ass deal just to cover their ass at the position.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
No dum-dum, you're not following. I've said from the beginning that I didn't like the Eagles paying him the avg salary of the top 5 TE's. He's not worth it. But when methdeez said that he thought the salary was limited to base salary average not including bonuses, I said that it doesn't sting as much.
The actual dollar amount is irrelevant to me.
so you dont care how much he gets you just dont want him being paid in the top five of his position unless its the top 5 at his position only in base salary
i just dont get that
4.5 milllion is 4.5 million is 4.5 million...the formula that makes up that number is irrelevant...either you dont want that hit on your cap for this year or you do
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2008, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
No dum-dum, you're not following. I've said from the beginning that I didn't like the Eagles paying him the avg salary of the top 5 TE's. He's not worth it. But when methdeez said that he thought the salary was limited to base salary average not including bonuses, I said that it doesn't sting as much.
The actual dollar amount is irrelevant to me.
so you dont care how much he gets you just dont want him being paid in the top five of his position unless its the top 5 at his position only in base salary
i just dont get that
4.5 milllion is 4.5 million is 4.5 million...the formula that makes up that number is irrelevant...either you dont want that hit on your cap for this year or you do
I feel like I'm speaking greek. I don't care how much the actual salary is. It could be $20. The whole point is that they are paying an above average TE the avg salary of the top 5 guys yet they won't pay top $ for players that are actually the best at their respective position.
I'm not looking at the actual amount of money they have to pay LJ. It doesn't matter to me. They wouldn't pay him in a long term deal like he was a top 5 TE so why pay him like one for 1 year? If you're going to overpay to get someone for one year then make it someone who's actually "worth" it.
Yes, I essentially said the same thing in 2 seperate paragraphs. I did that one purpose with the hope that maybe if you read it twice you'll get the farging point.
I know! He's franchised so someone will want him and we will get a first round pick in compansation!! :P
Seriously though, I'd love to see Dallas Clark in an Eagles uni, but no way do the Colts let him hit the market.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2008, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
No dum-dum, you're not following. I've said from the beginning that I didn't like the Eagles paying him the avg salary of the top 5 TE's. He's not worth it. But when methdeez said that he thought the salary was limited to base salary average not including bonuses, I said that it doesn't sting as much.
The actual dollar amount is irrelevant to me.
so you dont care how much he gets you just dont want him being paid in the top five of his position unless its the top 5 at his position only in base salary
i just dont get that
4.5 milllion is 4.5 million is 4.5 million...the formula that makes up that number is irrelevant...either you dont want that hit on your cap for this year or you do
I feel like I'm speaking greek. I don't care how much the actual salary is. It could be $20. The whole point is that they are paying an above average TE the avg salary of the top 5 guys yet they won't pay top $ for players that are actually the best at their respective position.
I'm not looking at the actual amount of money they have to pay LJ. It doesn't matter to me. They wouldn't pay him in a long term deal like he was a top 5 TE so why pay him like one for 1 year? If you're going to overpay to get someone for one year then make it someone who's actually "worth" it.
Yes, I essentially said the same thing in 2 seperate paragraphs. I did that one purpose with the hope that maybe if you read it twice you'll get the farging point.
yeah, we get it, you care about the "status" aspect of LJ getting paid like a top 5 TE, it's probably the dumbest way to judge this move out of all of them, you don't have to explain it anymore
I'm not even judging it. I'm judging the FO. It annoys me that they're willing to overpay for him but year in and year out all we've heard from this FO is that they won't overpay, especially when it came to addressing glaring needs on this team (WR, RB, LB).
dumb and ugly = you
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 05:59:41 PM
I'm not even judging it. I'm judging the FO. It annoys me that they're willing to overpay for him but year in and year out all we've heard from this FO is that they won't overpay, especially when it came to addressing glaring needs on this team (WR, RB, LB).
LJ is like every other player to the Eagles - an asset with a value attached. Value is relative. With available TE's on the market looking like shtein, the one-year "over"-payment is actually not one. All of the "over"-paying you're complaining about them not doing are for long-term deals with a lot of up-front money.
What part of this don't you get, except for all of it?
I really hope Sarge keeps this up, because it's HILARIOUS to read you people saying the same thing over and over again.
I really hope you get run over by a Humvee.
How so many of you could all be wrong is beyond me. I'm used to it though. I see it everywhere I go. But especially here.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2008, 05:59:41 PM
I'm not even judging it. I'm judging the FO. It annoys me that they're willing to overpay for him but year in and year out all we've heard from this FO is that they won't overpay, especially when it came to addressing glaring needs on this team (WR, RB, LB).
In terms of cost:
Franchising a (WR, RB, LB) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Franchising a TE
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 13, 2008, 09:26:53 AM
In terms of cost:
Franchising a (WR, RB, LB) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Franchising a TE
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
he wont even be in the top five highest paid eagles this year
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 13, 2008, 08:40:41 AM
How so many of you could all be wrong is beyond me. I'm used to it though. I see it everywhere I go. But especially here.
Homo?
Only with you.
lamp.
im so glad you're back, mikey.
oh, that's right...now I remember
lj smith wasn't worth 4 bucks, let alone 4 mill for this season. the usual group of knownothings on here were wrong again.
block. head.
Maybe the most underachieving Eagle ever....
Quote from: hunt on December 21, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
lj smith wasn't worth 4 bucks, let alone 4 mill for this season. the usual group of knownothings on here were wrong again.
block. head.
yeah cockface, because we were all so happy with the situation
why is everyone so concerned about other peoples money...at the time lj was the best option at te that was available...the franchising of him was absolutely the right move...its not like when he signed for four mil he was all of a sudden gonna be antonio gates...he is what he is that wasnt gonna change...but even at his worst hes still a better option than brent celek or matt schobel
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2008, 09:00:53 AMeven at his worst hes still a better option than brent celek
no
Quote from: hunt on December 21, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
lj smith wasn't worth 4 bucks, let alone 4 mill for this season. the usual group of knownothings on here were wrong again.
block. head.
Weren't you the one who was throwing a fit when they didn't franchise Simon because they had the money available and he was the best option at the time?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 22, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: hunt on December 21, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
lj smith wasn't worth 4 bucks, let alone 4 mill for this season. the usual group of knownothings on here were wrong again.
block. head.
Weren't you the one who was throwing a fit when they didn't franchise Simon because they had the money available and he was the best option at the time?
no
Quote from: hunt on December 23, 2008, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 22, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: hunt on December 21, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
lj smith wasn't worth 4 bucks, let alone 4 mill for this season. the usual group of knownothings on here were wrong again.
block. head.
Weren't you the one who was throwing a fit when they didn't franchise Simon because they had the money available and he was the best option at the time?
no
Yes it was (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16187.140)
Quoteyay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16187.160
Quotefrom: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 11:18:59 AM
from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 11:16:25 AM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move.
Sign Westbrook, extend Lewis....if/when those 2 things happen, will that still be nothing?
yes. those guys are already on the team.
if releasing simon is the ONLY WAY they could possibly afford to extend westbrook & lewis, then i'd have to think about it....but i'm not convinced that's the case.
Quotei don't think anyone here is advocating giving simon what he's asking for long-term...all i'm saying is why not keep the guy for this year if you're really trying to win the super bowl. simon doesn't suck...he's been a starter on this team his entire career. unless they spend that $5 mill to improve the team, they just gave away a starter for nothing & made the team worse...in a year where they're trying to take that next step & win the super bowl.
Quotefrom: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 11:34:19 AM
from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 11:16:25 AM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move.
We didn't have Simon.
it was widely known that simon was going to report before the 1st regular season game...they did have him.
Quotefrom: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:47:05 AM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
yeah, because the nfl works the same way as a "regular" job does.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16187.260
QuoteCap Space is my favorite player.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16187.340
Quotehaving cap room is off da chain.
Im still not convinced
wow...i was right about that one too.
eagles went 6-10 & had the 23rd ranked defense that season.
Didn't Simon have to have his foot amputated or something?
Damn that diabeetus.
It turned out to be one and done.
Well, at least I hope so.
I do not care how much they paying him. What does it matter to you guys anyway? He sucks but other than trading for Gonzalez or Winslow (which was not even brought up as a possibility till mid season) what other option was there? You knew they would not draft a TE in the first or 2nd round. It was either LJ Smith or Celek.
And if it had been Celek, the Eagles would have been no worse off for it. It was the only thing to do at the time, but the LJ haters had it right from the start. The guy is a second string TE at best.
Oh of course he sucks. But I honestly do not care of Uncle Lurie had to fork over some extra money to LJ. They also have a bunch of other players robbing them blind (like Reggie Brown) and its their own fault. This whole philosophy of signing guys to long term deals before they prove themselves, and if then they do, get into problems because the player wants more or off the team.
Bunch of idiots thinking they are smarter then they are.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 23, 2008, 05:29:08 PM
And if it had been Celek, the Eagles would have been no worse off for it. It was the only thing to do at the time, but the LJ haters had it right from the start. The guy is a second string TE at best.
Celek has that cool upside thing working in his favor. LJ only has a tattoo guy that probably pierces three wangs a month.
LJ sucks. What the farg does Simon have to do with it?
I said last year that LJ sucked and wasn't as good as Boss. Now it's been proven. Farg LJ. Cut his worthless ass and draft another wasted draft pick. It's the Eagle way.
Can Lito play TE?
Kevin Boss isn't much to write home about either.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 24, 2008, 09:14:36 AM
Can Lito play TE?
He might be just a tad undersized for the position.
Fastballs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 24, 2008, 09:51:47 AM
Kevin Boss isn't much to write home about either.
Hush yo' mouf'!! He scored a TD and helped me win my FF Superbowl. And, he can block.
:-D
His blocking is overrated, man.
Celek on the ESPN.com front page
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1228/nfl_g_celek01_412.jpg)
LJ sucks
and he'll suck even more on the Baltimore Ravens
they had Heap blocking way more than usual last year...I guess those duties will be his again this year, because we all know LJ isn't going to pick up the blitz
hard to believe the Lions couldnt use him, but somethings odds there because LJ took a 3 mill pay cut to become a 2nd tight end?
unless they plan on releasing Heap and not paying him the the $3.5 mill hes owed, I cant see how this upgrades the Ravens based off his play from last year...and its not like the Ravens are pass happy