Are more important than your "War on Terror". (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/fbi.biometrics/index.html)
I don't know how this shtein can continue to happen without people getting up in arms about it. This shtein is straight out of 1984...
Quote"It's the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Project.
What, don't you trust our government? You have nothing to fear so long as you aren't doing anything wrong, prole.
I no longer trust my government to decide what is right and what is wrong. But you knew that.
dude...what r u trying to hide , who r u hiding from, and are you afraid there are zombies are watching you? I mean, this is over and over again. whats the deal? were all here for ya
This is one of those things where I personally don't care if the gov't has my palm prints, finger prints or ass prints. At the same time, I think it's wrong to force it upon the nation. I wouldn't mind sacrificing that liberty but certainly understand why not everyone feels the same way.
Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2008, 05:25:45 PM
dude...what r u trying to hide , who r u hiding from, and are you afraid there are zombies are watching you? I mean, this is over and over again. whats the deal? were all here for ya
This type of attitude, real or not, is what scares me. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
yeah, so you don't like it. neither do I. what you gonna do, hippie? march? I do that. write letters to congress, sign petitions? I do that too. donate what you can to the people most likely to militate against this shtein? I do that too. vote? yep, that too. (I'm reminded of that hilarious Chappelle "do you know black folk" game show skit, where the only fail given for the question how do black people rise up was to the answer "vote." Ha.)
and really, i don't think it matters. It was a nice experiment, but America is a failed republic, which having devolved into Empire of the capitalist corporate strain, is beginning to eat itself alive.
arm yourself in the short term and make plans to get the farg out in the long term. it'll be a couple more decades before shtein really hits the fan (I hope).. and if it makes you feel better, march and the like...
Quote from: Diomedes on February 04, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
yeah, so you don't like it. neither do I. what you gonna do, hippie? march? I do that. write letters to congress, sign petitions? I do that too. donate what you can to the people most likely to militate against this shtein? I do that too. vote? yep, that too. (I'm reminded of that hilarious Chappelle "do you know black folk" game show skit, where the only fail given for the question how do black people rise up was to the answer "vote." Ha.)
I never thought I would ever consider doing any of this but I've already started. I don't know if I should be depressed for being old, or be impressed that I've grown up. I think the former.
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and really, i don't think it matters. It was a nice experiment, but America is a failed republic, which having devolved into Empire of the capitalist corporate strain, is beginning to eat itself alive.
arm yourself in the short term and make plans to get the farg out in the long term. it'll be a couple more decades before shtein really hits the fan.. and if it makes you feel better, march and the like...
Agree with every word of this 100%.
I'd like to hold out hope that change for the better is still possible, but I honestly think that we've passed the point of no return.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 04, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
arm yourself in the short term and make plans to get the farg out in the long term. it'll be a couple more decades before shtein really hits the fan (I hope)..
Zombies. Motherfarging zombies.
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7514/shotgunincaseofzombiesfx1.jpg)
Quote from: rjs246 on February 04, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 04, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
yeah, so you don't like it. neither do I. what you gonna do, hippie? march? I do that. write letters to congress, sign petitions? I do that too. donate what you can to the people most likely to militate against this shtein? I do that too. vote? yep, that too. (I'm reminded of that hilarious Chappelle "do you know black folk" game show skit, where the only fail given for the question how do black people rise up was to the answer "vote." Ha.)
I never thought I would ever consider doing any of this but I've already started. I don't know if I should be depressed for being old, or be impressed that I've grown up. I think the former.
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and really, i don't think it matters. It was a nice experiment, but America is a failed republic, which having devolved into Empire of the capitalist corporate strain, is beginning to eat itself alive.
arm yourself in the short term and make plans to get the farg out in the long term. it'll be a couple more decades before shtein really hits the fan.. and if it makes you feel better, march and the like...
Agree with every word of this 100%.
I'd like to hold out hope that change for the better is still possible, but I honestly think that we've passed the point of no return.
How is Spain these days? Madrid is nice in the spring.
I voted. And wrote myself in for city council. My anti-zombie campaign has begun.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 04, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 04, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
and really, i don't think it matters. It was a nice experiment, but America is a failed republic, which having devolved into Empire of the capitalist corporate strain, is beginning to eat itself alive.
arm yourself in the short term and make plans to get the farg out in the long term. it'll be a couple more decades before shtein really hits the fan.. and if it makes you feel better, march and the like...
Agree with every word of this 100%.
I'd like to hold out hope that change for the better is still possible, but I honestly think that we've passed the point of no return.
Yep. I've written my congresscritters and gotten form letters in return either ignoring the point I made, or listing their responses to an entirely different issue. That is, when they have responded at all (I'm looking at YOU, Arlen Specter)
I'll vote this year, but it will have to be by absentee ballot. That means my vote won't count unless the number of absentee ballots exceeds the margin of victory by a factor of 2 or 3. Even if Diebold hasn't managed to rig the election that far, they'll probably farg up hand counting the votes anyway.
And regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election, I'll still be treated like a criminal every time I cross the border between two countries that are supposed to have a free trade agreement. Ever notice that once you enter the EU, you can travel to any country without having your passport checked or your bags searched again? 27 different countries. 23 different languages. 13 different currencies. And I can move freely between all of them. As a citizen of the US, it is easier for me to enter, and travel within the EU than to travel between the US and Canada.
And I'll keep paying taxes to the country whose monetary policy is, as long as inflation grows faster than the national debt, we're still OK.
For now.
Drug testing candidates (http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=58056)
Where does this one fall? Violation of privacy, or necessary government protection?
The fact that they are talking about illegal drugs complicates the matter, but I believe that preemptive drug testing is equivalent to illegal search and seizure.
Again, feel free to test me for intoxication (current, not past) while on the job, but once I walk outside the office door, it is none of their business.
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080809/NEWS/808090323/1008/NEWSREWIND
why is this guy being harassed?
Quote from: Diomedes on August 09, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080809/NEWS/808090323/1008/NEWSREWIND
why is this guy being harassed?
Because we live in a reactionary alarmist society that is convinced that it's more important to protect ourselves than it is to let people live their private lives and pursue their private interests..
Well, in this instance I can see why they would react this way.
Those chemicals, while not radioactive or biologically hot, still pose a risk. If not stored correctly, or any type of accident occurs then other people could be harmed.
So let me ask this. If you don't think the US is the place to live anymore, where would you move, and why would you move there. Realistic answers would suit the conversation best, but I don't have high hopes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2008, 12:23:50 AMThose chemicals, while not radioactive or biologically hot, still pose a risk. If not stored correctly, or any type of accident occurs then other people could be harmed.
No moreso than the collection of chemicals you'd find in an avid gearhead's garage, or a darkroom. I fail to see how the photography hobbyist with the darkroom, or the gearhead hobbyist with the garage full of chemicals, are okay but the scientist, well that's a no-no?
Quote from: Father Demon on August 10, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
So let me ask this. If you don't think the US is the place to live anymore, where would you move, and why would you move there. Realistic answers would suit the conversation best, but I don't have high hopes.
Long Answer:
This is a really good question. I've thought about it a lot lately and the truth is that there isn't a 'better' alternative available. More importantly, though, I don't want there to be a better alternative. I don't consider my rants to be anti-America. I consider the degradation of this country's core values and the government's inability to do anything about it to be what is un-American. I don't rant because I hate America and want to leave. I rant because America's founding principles represent something that is very close to my ideal and I want it to fix itself.
Short Answer:
Mexico.
This thread is being monitored for your protection.
Quote from: Father Demon on August 10, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
So let me ask this. If you don't think the US is the place to live anymore, where would you move, and why would you move there. Realistic answers would suit the conversation best, but I don't have high hopes.
Germany
Quote from: Father Demon on August 10, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
So let me ask this. If you don't think the US is the place to live anymore, where would you move, and why would you move there. Realistic answers would suit the conversation best, but I don't have high hopes.
Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner.
Spain, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand
any of these would be acceptable. there are others, but I have other things to do right now
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 09, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080809/NEWS/808090323/1008/NEWSREWIND
why is this guy being harassed?
Because we live in a reactionary alarmist society that is convinced that it's more important to protect ourselves than it is to let people live their private lives and pursue their private interests..
No, because when this guy (your neighbor) "is on to something", and in a senior moment has an "oops" that levels his house, blows out all your windows and puts you in the hospital, you are going to be pretty pissed off that there is no one left alive to pay your bills.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 10, 2008, 10:34:07 AM
New Zealand
My wife and I got into a fairly serious discussion about moving there after 9/11. I wish I had had the balls to go through with it.
Quote from: Cerevant on August 10, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 09, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080809/NEWS/808090323/1008/NEWSREWIND
why is this guy being harassed?
Because we live in a reactionary alarmist society that is convinced that it's more important to protect ourselves than it is to let people live their private lives and pursue their private interests..
No, because when this guy (your neighbor) "is on to something", and in a senior moment has an "oops" that levels his house, blows out all your windows and puts you in the hospital, you are going to be pretty pissed off that there is no one left alive to pay your bills.
OK, so on the off chance that maybe something happens this guy's privacy should be pre-emptively revoked? farg off.
Quote from: Father Demon on August 10, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
If you don't think the US is the place to live anymore, where would you move.
texas or kansas
^ I literally laughed out loud at this. ^
A+ for style and execution.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 10, 2008, 07:36:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2008, 12:23:50 AMThose chemicals, while not radioactive or biologically hot, still pose a risk. If not stored correctly, or any type of accident occurs then other people could be harmed.
No moreso than the collection of chemicals you'd find in an avid gearhead's garage, or a darkroom. I fail to see how the photography hobbyist with the darkroom, or the gearhead hobbyist with the garage full of chemicals, are okay but the scientist, well that's a no-no?
Judging by the paper that's what they said about what was in there, but I see your point. I guess the stereotype with chemists is white lab coat and shtein that explodes. I bought into it.
Because gearheads who don't dispose of the oil correctly do a lot of harm too.
Anyways, the question of where I'd move?
South America. (duh.)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 10, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on August 10, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 09, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
http://www.telegram.com/article/20080809/NEWS/808090323/1008/NEWSREWIND
why is this guy being harassed?
Because we live in a reactionary alarmist society that is convinced that it's more important to protect ourselves than it is to let people live their private lives and pursue their private interests..
No, because when this guy (your neighbor) "is on to something", and in a senior moment has an "oops" that levels his house, blows out all your windows and puts you in the hospital, you are going to be pretty pissed off that there is no one left alive to pay your bills.
OK, so on the off chance that maybe something happens this guy's privacy should be pre-emptively revoked? farg off.
Did you RTFA? Firefighters in the house putting out a fire found the shtein, and reported him. It isn't like they set up a raid based on a rumor. There are laws governing the use and storage of dangerous chemicals, and what this guy had looked suspicious.
I RTfirstpartofTFA but not the part about how it was reported. I still don't like it but at least that makes a little sense. Your point about whining and moaning when he blows his shtein up though still doesn't ring true to me.