QB - Kolb, Feeley
RB - Westbrook, Buckhalter, Hunt, Tapeh
WR - Brown, Avant, Curtis, Baskett
TE - Smith, Celek
OL - Runyan, Andrews, Jackson, Herremans, MJG, Justice
DL - Cole, Abiamiri, Thomas, Patterson, Bunkley, Ramsey
LB - Gaither, Spikes, Bradley, Gocong
DB - Dawk, Sheppard, Brown, Mikell
ST - Akers, Rocca
Keep these guys, everyone else needs to farging go. Get a farging stud WR, a real SAM LB, a couple of safeties, a farging nickel CB, something resembling a pass rusher, and some badass special teams dudes.
Somebody had a rough weekend.
It pees when I burn.
Forget that.
Blow it up from the top first.
Get Reid out, find a GM who can draft for a farging change, and a coach who doesn't have Days of our farging Lives going on at home and can concentrate on his job (which he wasn't good at on game day to begin with anyway).
Get a farging coach and GM who can surround a QB with the players he needs to be successful AND a gameplan that doesn't involve ignoring the parts of that QB that made him great to begin with. :boom
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 05, 2007, 01:11:06 PM
QB - Kolb, Feeley
RB - Westbrook, Buckhalter, Hunt, Tapeh
WR - Brown, Avant, Curtis, Baskett
TE - Smith, Celek
OL - Runyan, Andrews, Jackson, Herremans, MJG, Justice
DL - Cole, Abiamiri, Thomas, Patterson, Bunkley, Ramsey
LB - Gaither, Spikes, Bradley, Gocong
DB - Dawk, Sheppard, Brown, Mikell
ST - Akers, Rocca
If you are going to "blow it up", Dawk has to go, he is in no way in a rebuilding teams plans. Runyan and Spikes too. Tapeh if he was cut, wouldn't get picked up to be a FB on another team, Baskett is trash, as is Gocong. Put them on special teams.
But, but, but... the draft has produced like seventyteen starters! Doesn't that prove the Eagles know how to draft!?!?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 05, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
Forget that.
Blow it up from the top first.
Get Reid out, find a GM who can draft for a farging change, and a coach who doesn't have Days of our farging Lives going on at home and can concentrate on his job (which he wasn't good at on game day to begin with anyway).
Get a farging coach and GM who can surround a QB with the players he needs to be successful AND a gameplan that doesn't involve ignoring the parts of that QB that made him great to begin with. :boom
this.
Holy shtein. PG has been turned. The end is near.
The fat farg should be fired if for no other reason than he continues to spout nonsense like this:
Quote"I think we are [better than 3-5]," Reid said. "I know we are. When we get the thing changed around and get a little momentum going, we'll be fine. We've got to back-to-back some games here and get some momentum going here."
Yep - you'll be fine. You're only four games back in the division with eight to play and you've lost to everyone else in the division. But sure, you'll be fine and dandy.
He continues to think that this team is good. THIS IS A BAD TEAM. Stop shoveling shtein, Andy. No one is farging buying it.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 05, 2007, 01:29:18 PM
Holy shtein. PG has been turned. The end is near.
I have been saying this about Reid for a few years now.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 05, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
Forget that.
Blow it up from the top first.
Get Reid out, find a GM who can draft for a farging change, and a coach who doesn't have Days of our farging Lives going on at home and can concentrate on his job (which he wasn't good at on game day to begin with anyway).
Get a farging coach and GM who can surround a QB with the players he needs to be successful AND a gameplan that doesn't involve ignoring the parts of that QB that made him great to begin with. :boom
Well yeah, I just figured that went without saying.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 05, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
The fat farg should be fired if for no other reason than he continues to spout nonsense like this:
Quote"I think we are [better than 3-5]," Reid said. "I know we are. When we get the thing changed around and get a little momentum going, we'll be fine. We've got to back-to-back some games here and get some momentum going here."
Yep - you'll be fine. You're only four games back in the division with eight to play and you've lost to everyone else in the division. But sure, you'll be fine and dandy.
Do they give coaches random drug tests? They probably should...
Quote from: rjs246 on November 05, 2007, 01:39:44 PM
He continues to think that this team is good. THIS IS A BAD TEAM. Stop shoveling shtein, Andy. No one is farging buying it.
Is he shoveling shtein, or does he actually believe this? I'm going for the latter, which is why he should be murdered with his white trash family and ground into cat food.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 05, 2007, 01:11:06 PM
HC - Reid
DC - JJ
Asst. Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator - Marty Mornhinweg
QB - McNabb, Kolb, Feeley
RB - Westbrook, Buckhalter, Hunt, Tapeh
WR - Brown, Avant, Curtis, Baskett
TE - Smith, Celek
OL - Runyan, Andrews, Jackson, Herremans, MJG, Justice
DL - Cole, Abiamiri, Thomas, Patterson, Bunkley, Ramsey
LB - Gaither, Spikes, Bradley, Gocong
DB - Dawk, Sheppard, Brown, Mikell
ST - Akers, Rocca
Dio....Two very enthusiastic thumbs up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 05, 2007, 08:46:38 PM
Dio....Two very enthusiastic thumbs up.
Wrong thread PG. Plus you're married.
Shut up, queer eye.
Quote from: hbionic on November 05, 2007, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 05, 2007, 08:46:38 PM
Dio....Two very enthusiastic thumbs up.
Wrong thread PG. Plus you're married.
reading that with your avatar.... :-D
Although I think Reid should get just as much of the blame as Heckert does for the most part Eckel has it right:
Link (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/inde....xml&coll=5)
Quote
QUOTE
Eagles' flop is Heckert's responsibility
Tuesday, November 06, 2007
BY MARK ECKEL
STAFF COLUMNIST
PHILADELPHIA -- Before the Eagles blow up their ros ter from this 2007 disaster, and you know that's inevitable, they should blow up the personnel department who put it together. If the Eagles are going to rebuild, and that's what it looks like as the team heads into the second half of the season with more wins than just St. Louis, Atlanta and San Francisco in the NFC, are the people who brought you Darren Howard and Jevon Kearse, the ones who drafted Winston Justice, Matt McCoy and Jeremy Bloom the ones you want to do it?
It's not a coincidence that since Tom Modrak and Mike McCartney were shown the door to a Nova Care Complex they never got a chance to work in, and Andy Reid became executive in charge of everything, the personnel department has suffered.
Reid's first move, the hiring of Tom Heckert (after several people said no) was the first in the long line of bad decisions.
Since Heckert arrived from Miami, and how is that team in South Florida that he and his dad built doing these days? Winless, you say, no surprise here.
Heckert wouldn't know talent if it walked into his office, and it would have to walk into his office since he never leaves the building.
See, all the great general managers of our time, Ron Wolf, George Young, Bobby Beathard had it wrong. You don't go out to college campuses and meet players and coaches to judge talent. You stay home, watch TV and make sure the big fellow gets his lunch on time.
At least he's doing that last thing well, because the big fellow hasn't missed many lunches.
Heckert's first moves as his title climbed from director of personnel to general manager were to get rid of any scout who even knew Modrak's name.
So Marc Ross, the mastermind behind the Eagles last good draft in 2002, and who is now overseeing the Giants scouting department, was fired and replaced by one of Heckert's cronies Jason Licht. Good scouts such as Dave Boller, now with Tampa, Richard Shelton, now with Tennessee, Rashaan Curry, now with Arizona and Jim Monos, now with New Orleans, were also canned as the new guy in charge filled the spots with "his people."
And that's why the Eagles' cur rent roster the one that is 3-5 on the way to 5-11, or maybe 6-10, looks as it does.
It's why the 2003 draft produced one player -- tight end L.J. Smith, who is playing his last year with the team. It's why the 2004 draft has guard Shawn Andrews and no one else worth a darn.
The Eagles' spin doctors, those both on and off their payroll and it's hard to tell which is which sometimes, brag about all the starters from the 2005 draft (six in all). But the truth is they are start ers on a team that is 3-5 and is win less in the division.
It's too soon to judge the past two drafts, but are you confident in anything this team does anymore? Nearly half of the 2007 draft has already been cut, and the other half can't get on the field.
The pro moves have been worse, a lot worse.
And that's not easy to be.
Kearse -- and this one we think came from team president Joe Banner as well as Reid, Heckert and everyone else in the organization -- has been the most overpaid and biggest disappointment, maybe in team history.
Howard has been worse.
Stunned during the start of free agency in 2006 when center Le Charles Bentley reneged on a ver bal deal and signed with Cleveland, the Eagles felt they had to do something. Enter Howard whose best days were long behind him.
In Sunday night's nationally-televised 38-17 loss to Dallas, the third prime time humiliation this season, Kearse and Howard combined for zero tackles. That's zero.
The Cowboys ran 57 plays (and gained 434 yards) and neither Kearse nor Howard was involved in any of them.
Tight end Matt Schobel, defensive tackle Ian Scott, cornerback Will James, and even linebacker Takeo Spikes, still looking for his first play as an Eagle after being ac quired from Buffalo in a trade, are the other name free agents this personnel department has sought out and signed.
Here's an exercise for you to do in your spare time. Go over the Eagles' current 53-man roster and circle the good players -- not solid players, not players the Eagles tell you are good -- the truly good players.
If you get to 10, you circled too many.
Then go over players who probably shouldn't be on the roster, or any other roster. When your hand gets tired, you're done.
Just like the Eagles.
Contact Mark Eckel at
meckel@njtimes.com
That article is eye opening to say the least. I wasn't aware of how much firing Heckert did in the scouting department since taking over.
everyone will disregard it because it's Eckel, but that column is on point and it's about time somebody starts to say this shtein.
great article. watching dallas and all that young talent they have just reiterated this FO's lack of draft skills and securing quality FA's. I can't take any more drafts like 03, 04, 05 and FA signings like Kearse, Howard, Will James (whatever he calls himself).
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 06, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
Although I think Reid should get just as much of the blame as Heckert does for the most part Eckel has it right:
Link (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/inde....xml&coll=5)
Quote
QUOTE
Eagles' flop is Heckert's responsibility
Tuesday, November 06, 2007
BY MARK ECKEL
STAFF COLUMNIST
PHILADELPHIA -- Before the Eagles blow up their ros ter from this 2007 disaster, and you know that's inevitable, they should blow up the personnel department who put it together. If the Eagles are going to rebuild, and that's what it looks like as the team heads into the second half of the season with more wins than just St. Louis, Atlanta and San Francisco in the NFC, are the people who brought you Darren Howard and Jevon Kearse, the ones who drafted Winston Justice, Matt McCoy and Jeremy Bloom the ones you want to do it?
It's not a coincidence that since Tom Modrak and Mike McCartney were shown the door to a Nova Care Complex they never got a chance to work in, and Andy Reid became executive in charge of everything, the personnel department has suffered.
Reid's first move, the hiring of Tom Heckert (after several people said no) was the first in the long line of bad decisions.
Since Heckert arrived from Miami, and how is that team in South Florida that he and his dad built doing these days? Winless, you say, no surprise here.
Heckert wouldn't know talent if it walked into his office, and it would have to walk into his office since he never leaves the building.
See, all the great general managers of our time, Ron Wolf, George Young, Bobby Beathard had it wrong. You don't go out to college campuses and meet players and coaches to judge talent. You stay home, watch TV and make sure the big fellow gets his lunch on time.
At least he's doing that last thing well, because the big fellow hasn't missed many lunches.
Heckert's first moves as his title climbed from director of personnel to general manager were to get rid of any scout who even knew Modrak's name.
So Marc Ross, the mastermind behind the Eagles last good draft in 2002, and who is now overseeing the Giants scouting department, was fired and replaced by one of Heckert's cronies Jason Licht. Good scouts such as Dave Boller, now with Tampa, Richard Shelton, now with Tennessee, Rashaan Curry, now with Arizona and Jim Monos, now with New Orleans, were also canned as the new guy in charge filled the spots with "his people."
And that's why the Eagles' cur rent roster the one that is 3-5 on the way to 5-11, or maybe 6-10, looks as it does.
It's why the 2003 draft produced one player -- tight end L.J. Smith, who is playing his last year with the team. It's why the 2004 draft has guard Shawn Andrews and no one else worth a darn.
The Eagles' spin doctors, those both on and off their payroll and it's hard to tell which is which sometimes, brag about all the starters from the 2005 draft (six in all). But the truth is they are start ers on a team that is 3-5 and is win less in the division.
It's too soon to judge the past two drafts, but are you confident in anything this team does anymore? Nearly half of the 2007 draft has already been cut, and the other half can't get on the field.
The pro moves have been worse, a lot worse.
And that's not easy to be.
Kearse -- and this one we think came from team president Joe Banner as well as Reid, Heckert and everyone else in the organization -- has been the most overpaid and biggest disappointment, maybe in team history.
Howard has been worse.
Stunned during the start of free agency in 2006 when center Le Charles Bentley reneged on a ver bal deal and signed with Cleveland, the Eagles felt they had to do something. Enter Howard whose best days were long behind him.
In Sunday night's nationally-televised 38-17 loss to Dallas, the third prime time humiliation this season, Kearse and Howard combined for zero tackles. That's zero.
The Cowboys ran 57 plays (and gained 434 yards) and neither Kearse nor Howard was involved in any of them.
Tight end Matt Schobel, defensive tackle Ian Scott, cornerback Will James, and even linebacker Takeo Spikes, still looking for his first play as an Eagle after being ac quired from Buffalo in a trade, are the other name free agents this personnel department has sought out and signed.
Here's an exercise for you to do in your spare time. Go over the Eagles' current 53-man roster and circle the good players -- not solid players, not players the Eagles tell you are good -- the truly good players.
If you get to 10, you circled too many.
Then go over players who probably shouldn't be on the roster, or any other roster. When your hand gets tired, you're done.
Just like the Eagles.
Contact Mark Eckel at
meckel@njtimes.com
I dont disagree with anything here. But really, did Eckle even attend an english class?
QuoteSince Heckert arrived from Miami, and how is that team in South Florida that he and his dad built doing these days?
What?
While I think IGY obviously penned that piece, it's pretty good.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 06, 2007, 02:03:46 PM
great article. watching dallas and all that young talent they have just reiterated this FO's lack of draft skills and securing quality FA's. I can't take any more drafts like 03, 04, 05 and FA signings like Kearse, Howard, Will James (whatever he calls himself).
It's tough for me to get on them over the Kearse and James signings. Kearse has played well when healthy other than this year, and James was brought in as a 4th/5th CB--the mistake there was trying to pass him off as a legitimate nickel back so that they could lowball Rod Hood and then not take anyone high in the draft.
The bottom line is that free agency is often a crapshoot. You can bring in a guy like Kearse and it looks like a great signing until he can't stay healthy for more than 3 games at a time. What this front office has to be raked over the coals for is the draft....free agents can be useful stopgaps here and there, but great NFL teams are built through the draft and that is an area that Reid, Heckert, et al have consistently failed in for the last several years.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 06, 2007, 02:03:46 PM
great article. watching dallas and all that young talent they have just reiterated this FO's lack of draft skills and securing quality FA's. I can't take any more drafts like 03, 04, 05 and FA signings like Kearse, Howard, Will James (whatever he calls himself).
Dallas has 2 first round picks (from CLE) next season too
The bottom line is that free agency is often a crapshoot
the draft is way more crapshoot than FA
and kearse has not been good even when healthy...has he made a few plays here and here sure....but has he come close to living up to his money...no farging way...
the sad thing is i think the eagles knew almost from day one that he was a bust...in 2004 when they had him running much of the year at that stupid ass joker position told it all...it took one training camp and about 10 games for them to realize he no longer had the off the edge burst from his rookie year...in fact he was never the same player after he broke his foot in the 2002 opener...ironically enough vs the eagles...
Isn't that the game a guy named Carlos Hall came in to replace him and recorded 3 sacks?
yes it is...i had totally forgotten about that...all i remember is the eagles were up 24-7 at half...maybe 24-10...and gagged in the fourth quarter
i was skeptical of the kearse signing but i did not fault them. i believed that if he was ever healthy again he could cause chaos. even when he has been healthy he is been ok, and mostly he has been hurt. even in tenn b4 coming here he was constantly hurt. if not the whole season, missing games here and there. but in the 04 off season when they signed him and TO i was too happy to care that he might turn out to be a bust. to me it actually signaled a change with the philosophy towards the FA market. finally i thought they were going to try to get over the hump.
since then i have realized that was a abbreration and they have gone straight back to not being aggresive at all. kearse might be a bust but it was a good attempt. can not fault them for that. i do fault them for constantly bringing up a signing from 3 seasons ago, one that is a bust now, to answer those who ask why this organization does not sign FAs who would fill need positions. how many times are we reminded of the 04 season and how they got TO/Kearse. well that was 3 seasons ago and only 1 off season in the otherwise lackluster 9 off seasons with reid and co.
and while i agree with the article a 100% i also think its unfair to put the blame of the current miami team, coaches, and franchise on heckert. he left when back in 02? 03? how is it that the team assembled now in 07 is his fault? they messed up by signing culpepper over brees and then rushing culpepper back. signing saban. tedd ginn jr. not getting quinn.
also how many actually believe heckert is a true GM? i have a feeling more than anything he is figure head position and reid calls all the real shots. this team has reid written all over it. heckert might help and have substantial input but mostly i think he is reid's yes man.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 06, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
Isn't that the game a guy named Carlos Hall came in to replace him and recorded 3 sacks?
Ugh. Hadn't thought about that in a while.
i felt that kearse was overpaid and overrated at the time but i was totally on board with the signing...overpaying is what you gotta do sometimes...at the same time it still goes on their player personel record as a black mark...they couldnt even get one top notch season out of the guy...shtein i would taken him having one good game his entire eagles career if it was the superbowl...but in the biggest game of any of our lives the guy had one tackle
his trademark coming over was the sack/ff combo...hes got what (4) forced fumbles in four years with the eagles...if he just has one in the superbowl maybe they win instead
oh well....cut him and howard this offseason...they are gonna have ooodles of money this spring...they better put it to good use
how about we just blow up the novacare during a coaches meeting with reno mahe and sean considine inside?
1. Eckel's right
2. Although he's right, its no shock at all that he's once again blowing Modrak. He lost his inside info, most of it, when Modrak was shtein canned. He's been blowing him since then.
3. When scouting directors or personnel guys are fired and new ones come in, they usually put in "their boys". This happens all throughout the NFL.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
3. When scouting directors or personnel guys are fired and new ones come in, they usually put in "their boys". This happens all throughout the NFL.
I don't think anyone is surprised by that. Coaches do the same thing with assistant coaches and players. They want their own people. The thing about it though is that Modrak obviously had talented scouts where as Heckert obviously does not.
The bottom line is that Reid/Heckert inherited a defense that was on the verge of being great and while they kept it in tact for a few years, they've done a terrible job at replacing quality players with the exception of Sheldon, Lito, Killa and possibly Gaither (tbd). And it seems that they finally got it right with DT with Patterson and Bunkley. Congrats on that, it only took them 9 years to get a disruptive pair of tackles. And that's attributed primarily to poor scouting.
Quote from: SunMo on November 06, 2007, 02:01:32 PM
everyone will disregard it because it's Eckel, but that column is on point and it's about time somebody starts to say this shtein.
Maybe they would if someone with an ounce of journalistic integrity had written it?
i agree, but the fact that it's basically a temper tantrum in column form is pretty amusing
Not just blown up...
(http://www.weirdspot.com/alexandro/atomic_bomb.jpg)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 06, 2007, 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on November 06, 2007, 02:03:46 PM
great article. watching dallas and all that young talent they have just reiterated this FO's lack of draft skills and securing quality FA's. I can't take any more drafts like 03, 04, 05 and FA signings like Kearse, Howard, Will James (whatever he calls himself).
Dallas has 2 first round picks (from CLE) next season too
swell. merry farging christmas.
I swear that Kearse has not had a good game since the 2004 game in Detroit (week 3?). Please correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall many highlights.
His first two games last year were going great until he blew out his knee.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:29:43 PM
yes it is...i had totally forgotten about that...all i remember is the eagles were up 24-7 at half...maybe 24-10...and gagged in the fourth quarter
Didn't gag as much as Reid refused to call any running plays.
Quote from: Munson on November 07, 2007, 03:41:11 AM
His first two games last year were going great until he blew out his knee.
This is about right. He had a couple of good games here and there but the start of last season was the first glimpse of him being the player he was hyped to be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
i felt that kearse was overpaid and overrated at the time but i was totally on board with the signing...overpaying is what you gotta do sometimes...at the same time it still goes on their player personel record as a black mark...they couldnt even get one top notch season out of the guy...shtein i would taken him having one good game his entire eagles career if it was the superbowl...but in the biggest game of any of our lives the guy had one tackle
This. I was excited about the signing and thought that it was a sign of things to come from this front office. They aquired both TO and Kearse in the same offseason and felt that they would be agressive in free agency after that. Obviously I was wrong. If anything, by signing Kearse and TO, the front office can point to those 2 players with a "see what happened" attitude when it comes to spending money on free agents. Apparently, that's exactly what they're doing.
QuoteBy Ashley Fox
Inquirer Columnist
Don't play the kid.
Instead, get the old man some help.
This abomination of a season isn't Donovan McNabb's fault. He hasn't gone from one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL to one who deserves to be benched for a rookie second-round draft pick out of Conference USA. The Eagles won't be better with Kevin Kolb under center. Not now. Not this year. Not even next year.
Everyone outside of the NovaCare Complex is so quick to jump off the McNabb bandwagon. It's understandable. With the position, great praise and great blame go hand in hand. If you're going to get the glory when the team wins, you have to accept being the goat when it loses.
The Eagles are 3-5. The natural tendency is to blame the quarterback or blame the coach.
For the record, I'd do the latter. But that's another conversation for another day.
McNabb gets all that. He might be sensitive, but he's not stupid.
But it's just wrong to think that the 23-year-old Kolb will make this offense and this team better. He won't. He can't. He doesn't yet know how. Maybe one day, but not now.
What would help are a few players not named Westbrook who can actually catch a pass and make a play. It would help to have a true No. 1 receiver, not someone you think can emerge as a No. 1. It would help to have a healthy, proven tight end. It would help to have a legitimate second running back.
For the love of special teams, it would help to have someone who can give the offense decent - if not spectacular - field position once in a while. And it would help to have a few more playmakers on defense, guys who can create turnovers and get stops. It would help to have a premier strong safety.
That the Eagles lack all of the above is not McNabb's fault. Yes, he takes sacks when he should throw the ball away. Yes, his passes aren't always on the mark. Yes, his record of late isn't the greatest.
But have people forgotten how he started the year off last year? How he was lethal with the long ball? How he still could move? How he thrived when he had a good wide receiver?
All of that is not gone. McNabb's not done. He doesn't have the weapons, and he's not 100 percent McNabb. That isn't an excuse; it's a reality. So is this: A quarterback is always better his second year after a major knee surgery than his first.
So don't accept the knee-jerk premise that benching McNabb for Kolb is the right thing to do. It's not.
For one thing, as dead as the Eagles looked against Dallas - and they did look dead as early as the second quarter - the season isn't over. Get a win in Washington and another against the Dolphins, and the Eagles would be .500 with six games to go.
It's a long shot, to be sure, but the Eagles aren't out of it. Not yet. The Giants were 6-2 and looking strong a year ago and look what happened. They crumbled, losing six of their last eight to sneak into the playoffs a dead dog.
For another, remember there are no guarantees with Kolb. The Eagles think he will thrive as a starter in this league, otherwise they wouldn't have used their top pick last April to snatch him up. But, the Eagles don't really know. No one does.
It took the Dallas Cowboys nine failed quarterbacks and six years to settle on Troy Aikman's replacement. Think Jerry Jones wasn't trying to find the perfect quarterback? It's an inexact science, as the Cowboys learned firsthand as they ripped through Tony Banks, Quincy Carter, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe before settling on an undrafted product of Division I-AA.
"He's the man for the 2000s," Jones said after signing Tony Romo last week to a six-year, $67.5 million deal. But the fact is the Cowboys wasted the first six years of the "2000s" finding Romo.
So, get off McNabb's back for a while. Give him some more time. It stinks because the wait for a Super Bowl win seems endless, but wait another year to harshly judge McNabb.
In the meantime, demand that your team gets McNabb some help in the off-season. Like a receiver, and a tight end, and a punt returner, and . . .
Hey, Ashley, you dumb twat, you're missing the point. You don't bench McNabb to get better this season. You bench McNabb to determine if Reid farged up when he drafted Kolb. So the (hopefully) next coach knows if he needs to fix yet another Fatman fargup.
Nothing is going to substantiatively improve the play of this team this season.
Articles like this that express undying optimism for this season make my ass twitch.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2007, 08:27:22 AM
Articles like this that express undying optimism for this season make my ass twitch.
with giddy anticipation?
You may have missed the point of that post...
QuoteAll of that is not gone. McNabb's not done. He doesn't have the weapons, and he's not 100 percent McNabb. That isn't an excuse; it's a reality. So is this: A quarterback is always better his second year after a major knee surgery than his first.
Really? Carson Palmer would disagree
the quarterback isnt necessarily better the knee is
Quote from: reese125 on November 07, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
QuoteAll of that is not gone. McNabb's not done. He doesn't have the weapons, and he's not 100 percent McNabb. That isn't an excuse; it's a reality. So is this: A quarterback is always better his second year after a major knee surgery than his first.
Really? Carson Palmer would disagree
Really? Carson Palmer would disagree with you disagreeing about him disagreeing with Ashely Fox.
2006: 16 G, 324 Comp, 520 Att, 62.3%, 4035 yds, 7.8 Avg, 28 TD, 13 Int, 93.9 Rat
2007: 8 G, 190 Comp, 294 Att, 64.6%, 2193 yds, 7.5 Avg, 16 TD, 10 int, 91.0 Rat
He's currently on pace to throw for approx 4400 yards and 32 td's this year which would make it his best season as a pro.
Really?!?!?!
No. I made all that up.
I just wish you weren't a liar.
I'm a unit manager. People fear me! I drive a Dodge Stratus!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2007, 08:27:22 AM
Articles like this that express undying optimism for this season make my ass twitch.
QuoteIt took the Dallas Cowboys nine failed quarterbacks and six years to settle on Troy Aikman's replacement.
now thats optimism!
excuse me Ashley, Troy Aikman won three super bowls.
so aikman gave dallas one ring for every three qb's theyve gone thru in trying to replace him
would anyone else have taken that from donovan?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
1. Eckel's right
2. Although he's right, its no shock at all that he's once again blowing Modrak. He lost his inside info, most of it, when Modrak was shtein canned. He's been blowing him since then.
3. When scouting directors or personnel guys are fired and new ones come in, they usually put in "their boys". This happens all throughout the NFL.
yeah but when "their boys" come up with gems like matt mccoy over and over again it eventually comes back to bite you.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2007, 02:12:06 PM
I just wish you weren't a liar.
I wasn't always a liar. Then the Corps made me a recruiter and all that changed.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2007, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 07, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
QuoteAll of that is not gone. McNabb's not done. He doesn't have the weapons, and he's not 100 percent McNabb. That isn't an excuse; it's a reality. So is this: A quarterback is always better his second year after a major knee surgery than his first.
Really? Carson Palmer would disagree
Really? Carson Palmer would disagree with you disagreeing about him disagreeing with Ashely Fox.
2006: 16 G, 324 Comp, 520 Att, 62.3%, 4035 yds, 7.8 Avg, 28 TD, 13 Int, 93.9 Rat
2007: 8 G, 190 Comp, 294 Att, 64.6%, 2193 yds, 7.5 Avg, 16 TD, 10 int, 91.0 Rat
He's currently on pace to throw for approx 4400 yards and 32 td's this year which would make it his best season as a pro.
You just discount the int's? Hes on pace for 20 ints-- which puts his team in position to lose every game. Best season as a pro....no.
GET CARSON PALMER!?
we need a "here's why carson palmer will never be an eagle" thread now.
According to Eskin (gag, gag), since 2000 the Eagles have spent more money on WR's than 30 of the other 31 NFL franchises.
Wow. If that's not reason enough to blow up the front office/scouting department then I don't know what is.
To be fair, probably 50%+ of that is TO.
TO was only on the books for 2 years and his salary was probably a bit less than market value. He never said who the only team was that has spent more but my guess is either the Rams or Colts. So you've still got 30 other teams out there with Boldin, Fitzgerald, Smith, Ward, Walker, Johnson and Moss and a bunch of other recievers better than anyone the Eagles have run out on the field not named TO and they've been spending less money.
So apparently the Eagles aren't cheap when it comes to recievers. They're just completely, totally, undeniably inept at scouting them.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2007, 04:56:12 PM
According to Eskin (gag, gag), since 2000 the Eagles have spent more money on WR's than 30 of the other 31 NFL franchises.
Wow. If that's not reason enough to blow up the front office/scouting department then I don't know what is.
HOLY shtein!
That is an amazing tell-tale story about this farging front office.
Plus, I think it was the Rams. Had to have been.
My anger level just went up a notch.
Contract extensions for Greg Lewis and Reggie Brown and maybe Todd Pinkston and TO if they're still on the books.
I heart the Eagles.
if its even true...could be a straight up lie or numbers cooked by banner and fed to eskin to give to his audience to try and quell the calls for a number one wr that fly into wip every day
eskin is nothing more than an extension of spadaro
No, rjs & Demon are right - the Eagles are spending money on wide receivers, they are just spending too much money on the wrong wide receivers.
im not saying they arent but i dont see the numbers adding up...before i believe eagles mouthpiece eskin i wanna see some proof
It probably depends on whether you count TO's entire contract (49M) , or just what he collected while he was here (12M).
TO: 49M
Curtis: 32M
Brown: 27M
Pinkston: 18M
Stallworth: ? (trade)
Avant: 1.2M
lol at TO counting 49 million...you can only count what they actually spent...not what they would have spent if he was still here
They haven't spent enough on scouting and coaching WR's, regardless.
I'm not saying it is right - just trying to figure out where this spin could be coming from. Even if it is true, it is more damning than if they were being cheap.
saying they have spent money on the WRs and using the salary spent on mediocre talent is almost as bad as them claiming they have addressed the LB position just because they draft someone every year.
it just means it has not been working.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 08, 2007, 10:03:38 AM
It probably depends on whether you count TO's entire contract (49M) , or just what he collected while he was here (12M).
TO: 49M
Curtis: 32M
Brown: 27M Na Brown?
Pinkston: 18M
Stallworth: ? (trade)
Avant: 1.2M
Great article (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=13123&spadaro=1)
Before the season, I thought this team was pretty good too.
Oops.