Quote from: BigEd76 on October 09, 2007, 12:59:30 AM
Eagles open as a 3-pt favorite vs the Jets, O/U = 42
Ok, I understand that the betting line is a reflection of the opinion of betters, and not a prediction of the outcome. Still, is there anyone who really believes that the Eagles can go on the road and win this game? I know the Jets are brutal, but they did hang up 24 on a Giants defense the Eagles couldn't score a touchdown on. I imagine the line is going to adjust significantly as the injury lists get finalized...I feel like the Eagles should win this one, but I'm just not convinced after the losses to Washington and the Giants.
So, are the Eagles going to tank, or are they going to beat enough of the bad teams to screw up their draft position?
The Jets are fairly brutal. I really want to be able to pick the Jets to win to further the chances Andy will be shown the door and give a better chance for a high draft pick.
But I really think the Eagles probably win this one.
i couldnt care less about this game if i tried
Think about the fact the both Giants DE's and the rest of the line couldnt get pressure on Pennington all last game. Think about the fact that both Giants DE's and the rest of the line got pressure on McNabb all last game
Simple.
Yeah, the Jets scored 24 on the Giants... but 14 of those points came on D and STs. Their offense is downright terrible.
I've got next to no faith in the fat man right about now... but I still think the Eagles get the W.
of course you think the Eagles win because they are the Jets, but dont forget they are the Eagles. No better no worse
I've been leaning toward picking the Eagles, but I'm afraid it is just the homer in me. I want to believe they will win, but it just seems like they keep finding ways not to.
Maybe some teams are just too bad to beat the Eagles (e.g. Detroit).
yeah this game is an absolute 50/50 toss up...maybe tiny advantage to the jets for being at home
I'm gonna go ahead and figure the Eagles lose every game this season until they've won more games than they've lost.
The lone win they do have was fluke game anyway.
I'm gonna go ahead and figure the Eagles lose every game this season until they've won more games than they've lost.
im leaning this way as well but i would instead say they arent gonna win again without westbrook and until they win another game or two even with westbrook ill be skeptical...i dont think they will ever get above .500 for the rest of the year so by that thinking youre saying 1-15
Well, I can't argue they'll win nothing more all year..what I mean is that I'm not gonna call a win in any given week unless they break above five hundred. I've seen nothing so far to make me think this team can win in a manner other than by accident.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 09, 2007, 02:14:06 PM
yeah this game is an absolute 50/50 toss up
I think the Jets also have the coaching advantage. I see the offense faltering again and the defense finally springing a leak by half time. Well below average Jets offense looks average, and the Eagles can't score.
I am really starting to hope they loose out after watching the Skins, Giants and Cowboys win again.
The key to winning the game is a balanced attack, as is every game. The Giants ran the ball 39 times and passed 25. Ran very effectivley for 188 total. I wonder if Reid looks at these stats or what. I don't know what to expect anymore. It could be another game like Detroit or another loss. Either way I'll be surprised. Run the ball and control the clock, thats all they need to do. Fundamentals of football seem to be oblivious to Reid and Co.
QuoteNew York Jets (1-4-0)
TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 16
By Rushing 3
By Passing 12
By Penalty 1
THIRD DOWN EFFICIENCY 9/15 - 60%
FOURTH DOWN EFFICIENCY 0/1 - 0%
TOTAL NET YARDS 277
Total Rushing/Passing Plays (includes Sacks) 61
Average Gain per Offensive Play 4.5
NET YARDS RUSHING 55
Total Rushing Plays 25
Average Gain per Rushing Play 2.2
Tackled for a Loss (Number-Yards) 0-0
NET YARDS PASSING 215
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 1 - 7
Gross Yards Passing 222
PASS COMP-ATT-INT 21 - 36 - 3
Average Gain per Passing Play (includes Sacks) 5.0
KICKOFFS (Number-In End Zone-Touchbacks) 4 - 1 - 1
PUNTS (Number-Average) 4 - 45.3
Blocked 0
Net Punting Average 41.3
FGs BLOCKED - PATs BLOCKED 0 - 0
TOTAL RETURN YARDAGE (excludes Kickoffs) 21
Punt Returns (Number-Yards) 2 - 20
Kickoff Returns (Number-Yards) 5 - 200
Interception Returns (Number-Yards) 1 - 1
PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 6 - 40
FUMBLES (Number-Lost) 0 - 0
TOUCHDOWNS 3
Rushing 0
Passing 1
Interceptions 0
Kickoff Returns 1
EXTRA POINTS (Made-Attempted) 3 - 3
Kicking (Made-Attempted) 3 - 3
Two Point Conversions (Made-Attempted) 0 - 0
FIELD GOALS (Made-Attempted) 1 - 2
RED ZONE EFFICIENCY 1/1 - 100%
GOAL TO GO EFFICIENCY 0/0 - 0%
SAFETIES 0
FINAL SCORE 24
TIME OF POSSESSION 26:15
New York Giants (3-2-0)
TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 21
By Rushing 11
By Passing 7
By Penalty 3
THIRD DOWN EFFICIENCY 5/12 - 41%
FOURTH DOWN EFFICIENCY 1/1 - 100%
TOTAL NET YARDS 374
Total Rushing/Passing Plays (includes Sacks) 64
Average Gain per Offensive Play 5.8
NET YARDS RUSHING 188
Total Rushing Plays 39
Average Gain per Rushing Play 4.8
Tackled for a Loss (Number-Yards) 0-0
NET YARDS PASSING 186
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 0 - 0
Gross Yards Passing 186
PASS COMP-ATT-INT 13 - 25 - 1
Average Gain per Passing Play (includes Sacks) 7.4
KICKOFFS (Number-In End Zone-Touchbacks) 6 - 1 - 1
PUNTS (Number-Average) 5 - 46.8
Blocked 0
Net Punting Average 38.8
FGs BLOCKED - PATs BLOCKED 0 - 0
TOTAL RETURN YARDAGE (excludes Kickoffs) 84
Punt Returns (Number-Yards) 2 - 16
Kickoff Returns (Number-Yards) 3 - 62
Interception Returns (Number-Yards) 3 - 68
PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 3 - 37
FUMBLES (Number-Lost) 1 - 1
TOUCHDOWNS 5
Rushing 2
Passing 2
Interceptions 1
Kickoff Returns 0
EXTRA POINTS (Made-Attempted) 5 - 5
Kicking (Made-Attempted) 5 - 5
Two Point Conversions (Made-Attempted) 0 - 0
FIELD GOALS (Made-Attempted) 0 - 0
RED ZONE EFFICIENCY 3/4 - 75%
GOAL TO GO EFFICIENCY 0/0 - 0%
SAFETIES 0
FINAL SCORE 35
TIME OF POSSESSION 33:45
Quote from: mussa on October 09, 2007, 02:40:11 PM
The key to winning the game is a balanced attack, as is every game. The Giants ran the ball 39 times and passed 25. Ran very effectivley for 188 total. I wonder if Reid looks at these stats or what. I don't know what to expect anymore. It could be another game like Detroit or another loss. Either way I'll be surprised. Run the ball and control the clock, thats all they need to do. Fundamentals of football seem to be oblivious to Reid and Co.
That's not balanced.
and that's not Eagles' football.
Now you're catchin on!
They'll come out and blow the Jets out and then play like shtein the next week.
The Jets will be rockin the old skool Titan jawns[/igy]
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Anyone know who the announcers are? With Joe Buck doing baseball, things got all messed up. Figures to be the #3 team, I guess.
Matt Vasgersian / Moose / Goose
Albert / Aikman will do taterskins/Packers
Siragusa is the worst. I think that game will be on mute.
those jerseys.....dont look....bad
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 10, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
Matt Vasgersian / Moose / Goose
Albert / Aikman will do taterskins/Packers
ha. thats the guy who announced the xfl. :-D
Quote from: Wingspan on October 09, 2007, 03:10:11 PM
Quote from: mussa on October 09, 2007, 02:40:11 PM
The key to winning the game is a balanced attack, as is every game. The Giants ran the ball 39 times and passed 25. Ran very effectivley for 188 total. I wonder if Reid looks at these stats or what. I don't know what to expect anymore. It could be another game like Detroit or another loss. Either way I'll be surprised. Run the ball and control the clock, thats all they need to do. Fundamentals of football seem to be oblivious to Reid and Co.
That's not balanced.
ladies and gentleman, i give you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
awesome that Lito and Dawkins are ruled out for this week. It only gets better and better for this team
neither of them have played in either of the last two games
Intersting conversation going on WIP at the moment. Talking about whether or not this is a franchise in decline. Brought up the "Gold Standard" line, and that it was coined because the deal was to win the Super Bowl, but have failed, etc.
Quote from: reese125 on October 10, 2007, 02:13:48 PM
awesome that Lito and Dawkins are ruled out for this week. It only gets better and better for this team
are you sure about Lito? everything I read was that he was probable for Sunday
per KFFL:
QuoteEagles | Sheppard probable for Week 6
Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:29:23 -0700
Philadelphia Eagles CB Lito Sheppard (knee) will probably play Week 6, according to team sources.
Today's practice report:
QuoteFS Brian Dawkins Neck No Participation
G/T Todd Herremans Knee No Participation
T William Thomas Knee No Participation
WR Greg Lewis Ankle Limited Participation
CB Lito Sheppard Knee Full Participation
TE L.J. Smith Hernia Full Participation
RB Brian Westbrook Abdomen Full Participation
Another week of Winston Justice?
The good news is it can only get better after that last game. I think.
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Eagles/Jets in blue. :-D
Fortunately, Pats-Cowboys is the afternoon game. I don't think I'd win that argument with the wife.
"But the Jets-Eagles is the bigger game!" :-D
Quote from: SunMo on October 10, 2007, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: reese125 on October 10, 2007, 02:13:48 PM
awesome that Lito and Dawkins are ruled out for this week. It only gets better and better for this team
are you sure about Lito? everything I read was that he was probable for Sunday
per KFFL:
QuoteEagles | Sheppard probable for Week 6
Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:29:23 -0700
Philadelphia Eagles CB Lito Sheppard (knee) will probably play Week 6, according to team sources.
when I posted that, Rotoworld had them already ruled as out for week 6. Now I go back on it to find it, and they changed what they wrote to cover up.
indications are that sheppard probably wont play from what ive heard. im special.
Quote from: PPinDC on October 09, 2007, 02:34:13 PM
I think the Jets also have everyone has the coaching advantage.
FIXED...
I'll be there. And if I go, the Eagles lose. It just happens that way.
So, with that, I predict:
Eagles: 24
Jets: 20
westbrook was just on wip and they were asking him about the money he has to pay back the team....apparently he hasnt done it yet because the amount hasnt been determined.....so morganti asks him how it works now with checks...like is he still getting paid...westbrook says i dont like to talk about my money...all ill say is when my teammates are getting checks each week im not a happy man
somebody had reported a few weeks ago that he hasn't been paid this year yet
this front office is sickening.....its one thing to want the money if they indeed are owed it and even filing a grievance or going to an arbitrator to find out what exactly is owed...but to hold someones checks back is ridiculous and just reinforces the notion in the locker room and around the league that this front office is a bunch of penny pinching cocks
i always thought the reason this team has become so non descript and not fun to watch was because of the non athletic non playmaking players andy worships....but another reason the team is so vanuilla and unemotional is because many of them dont care about the people they play for
the more time goes on the more ive come around to the thinking that they should have just paid TO a few more million to make him happy....no way do i defend the way TO acted but more and more i shift the blame on banner for the whole thing blowing up the way it did
Jets injury report:
QUESTIONABLE
RB Darian Barnes (thigh),
T Anthony Clement (thigh),
S Erik Coleman (concussion),
WR Laveranues Coles (knee),
DE Shaun Ellis (foot),
WR Justin McCareins (ankle),
QB Chad Pennington (ankle),
DT Dewayne Robertson (knee),
S Eric Smith (thigh)
PROBABLE
TE Jason Pociask (back)
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2007, 08:47:33 AM
the more time goes on the more ive come around to the thinking that they should have just paid TO a few more million to make him happy....no way do i defend the way TO acted but more and more i shift the blame on banner for the whole thing blowing up the way it did
You're giving me de ja vu, I was thinking about this the other day when I was listening to Westbrook and this whole deal. I know they set a precedent that they wouldn't renegotiate a players deal, but if they would have kept things quiet and restructured his deal so that his contract was guaranteed for more than the first two seasons that whole fiasco never happens. Granted TO deserves 99% of the blame especially for running out and hiring Rosenhaus but still the Eagles handled things poorly.
Revisionist history rules.
T.O. signed the motherfarging contract and so did the Eagles. There was no arm-twisting going on. The Eagles acted entirely properly and no blame whatsoever should be laid at their feet. NONE.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 13, 2007, 11:42:05 AM
Revisionist history rules.
T.O. signed the motherfarging contract and so did the Eagles. There was no arm-twisting going on. The Eagles acted entirely properly and no blame whatsoever should be laid at their feet. NONE.
Wrong. They knew he was a loose cannon when they signed him. The Eagles didnt have to give him more money, what he wanted was a guarantee that he wouldn't be cut after the 2nd year of his deal. If the Eagles weren't so stubborn in their ways they easily could have kept things on the dl and reworked his contract (which happens all the time in the NFL)...which was all he wanted.
Of course, its been 2 years and I'm just reflecting on what could have or should have happened which is much easier to do. But to say the Eagles should have no blame whatsoever is false. You don't sign a guy with a history like TO has and think everything is going to be peaches and cream.
They traded for TO, and then reworked his existing contract.
Then TO wanted to rework it less than 1 year later.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 13, 2007, 12:19:54 PM
They traded for TO, and then reworked his existing contract.
Then TO wanted to rework it less than 1 year later.
Option A: Be stubborn and let him tear the team apart after making the SB the previous season knowing that he's the type of player that would do so
Option B: Rework the deal so that he gets more guaranteed money and possibly make the SB again
Like I said before this is all hindsight but when reflecting on the situation now I think its obvious there were other options than to just brush him off and say tough shtein.
The irony is that the FO put the 2 year bonus in to prevent TO from being an icehole - hey, if we can put up with you for two years, you cash in. Everyone knew that was why the roster bonus was there.
There is only one reason TO blew up and farged everything up in Philly: Drew Rosenhaus.
They should have cut his stupid ass. That would have been better than the distraction, even if he went somewhere's else. Just cut him late in TC. His contract was designed for that contingency, knowing he was an icehole.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 13, 2007, 02:46:13 PM
The irony is that the FO put the 2 year bonus in to prevent TO from being an icehole
no they put a one year deal in to let themselves get out if thats what they wished....once TO had the best season any eagle had had in 80 years and broke his ass to get back for the super bowl he wanted a little more money....the eagles had the option to pay him that little more money or play hard ball...they chose to play hard ball
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 13, 2007, 11:42:05 AM
Revisionist history rules.
T.O. signed the motherfarging contract and so did the Eagles. There was no arm-twisting going on. The Eagles acted entirely properly and no blame whatsoever should be laid at their feet. NONE.
TO signed a contract that he had no choice but to sign...granted that was his own fault because of his actions in sf...but still it wasnt as tho he had six other teams offering him more money and he chose the birds...he did what he had to do...and then he far out performed that deal...no the eagles had no obligation to pay him more after that first year but they also could have easily justified it because of his peformance and they decided not to
its a tough call and hindisght is 20/20....its a tough call because TO is one of the biggest dickheads ever to play sports...and ill fully admit thats the way i feel...at the same time joe banner might be
the biggest dickhead to ever work in a pro sports franchise....so tit for tat right?
Article by Reuben Frank (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/132-10142007-1423389.html) - I agree completely.
Quote...And let's face it, if the Eagles can't beat the slop that is the 2007 Jets, they don't deserve to be taken seriously. The Jets are 31st in the NFL running the ball, 25th best stopping the run, 27th throwing the ball, 27th stopping the pass, 21st at protecting the quarterback, 30th at sacking the quarterback.
There are no excuses anymore. Brian Westbrook should be his old self today against a defense that has no way to stop him. Tra Thomas is healthy and back at left tackle. The Eagles are coming off a bye, a situation they've never lost in under Reid.
They can't lose to this team without seriously examining the long-term direction of the franchise.
And that's why this is a must-win. A loss today doesn't just damage the Eagles' 2007 playoff hopes, it really calls into question everything about this team. The coach, the general manager, the quarterback, the players.
Everything.
Because if the Eagles can't beat the Jets, they can't beat anybody.
Amen.