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Title: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: TexasEagle on September 17, 2007, 11:53:04 PM
This team is cooked. They can't beat the Skins and Packers to start the season... farging awful.  :boo
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PhillyandBCEagles on September 18, 2007, 03:32:35 AM
So who do we keep around after this season??

QB
Kolb (the future)
Feeley (proven backup)
McNabb (too much of a cap hit to lose right now, keep him around for another year then trade him)

RB
Westbrook
Buck
Hunt
Tapeh
*Think we're basically fine here

WR
Brown
Baskett
Avant
Curtis (maybe)
*We probably need 2 guys here, wouldn't mind if one of them is a healthy Bloom, the other needs to be a starting-caliber guy

TE
Celek
*Would like to extend LJ but it's not gonna happen

OL
Justice
MJG
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
Cole
McCoy
*Time to throw the young guys into the fire at the tackle positions; may have to keep 1 or 2 more backups around so that you can use the later-round draft picks on the skill positions

DE
Kearse (see McNabb)
Abiamiri
Cole
Thomas/Howard (one or the other but not both; I tend to prefer Howard as he can play inside as well)

DT
Patterson
Bunkley
Reagor
*These 3 guys are OK but we need a big fat-ass run stopper

LB
Gaither
Spikes
Gocong
Bradley
McCoy (too good on special teams)
*AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! Actually, one stud and one project/special teams type guy would solidify this core

CB
Sheppard
Brown
James/Hanson (one of these guys is fine as the 4th CB, but draft a guy on the first day for the nickel)

S
Dawkins (the guy has a job with the Eagles for as long as he wants it as far as I'm concerned; that said if he wants a trade to an AFC contender I'd do it for him)
Mikell
*Serious overhaul needed here

STs
Akers
Rocca
Dorenbos
*We're set here, although it would be nice to get a long-snapper who can also provide depth at an offensive or defensive position; I'd like to see us use a 2nd-day draft pick on a college TE, OL, or LB who can long-snap



The good news is, I'm guessing we're looking at a top 10 draft pick, so who are you guys thinking??  Unfortunately, as is the luck of the Eagles fan, the top talent in this draft seems to mostly be at the QB, OL, and DT positions--which we won't be looking at.  I'm hoping we go WR (Early Doucett, Limas Sweed), LB (Connor, Rivers, Cushing if he comes out), DE (Chris Long, Howie's kid, or the dude from TCU) or S (none worth taking that high unfortunately unless Kenny Phillips comes out).
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: The BIGSTUD on September 18, 2007, 05:11:53 AM
You can turn yourself around in the NFL very fast. That has been proven. The Eagles themselves jumped from 6-10 to 10-6.

I agree Reid has to go and Heckert as well. Get someone in here who doesn't have these little asinine philosophies about certain positions not being valued. You need to value receivers and linebackers. You just do.

I think this team can still be fixed very quickly if they will just go out for once and land some impact farging players in the offseason instead of waiting for the first wave of free agents to all get signed by other teams. Also

The team isn't cooked yet though. It looks bad now, but everyone said the same thing last year. They aren't a championship caliber team, but playoffs are still a real possibility in this awful conference.

Looking at this team right now though they need 2 new defensive ends, a go to receiver, a nickel corner, and a threat as a returner. Add those things with a new coach like Gruden who will actually run the ball and be creative and you have a top team in the NFC.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 18, 2007, 06:12:00 AM
I actually saw Kenny Phillips play when I went to Miami this past weekend.  Wasn't too impressed with him, but have to keep in mind he's only a sophmore.  The angles he took were horrible, he could catch up from his mistakes, but it was an FIU team.  Angles can be taught and some mocks (well, s. wright's) have him as high as 5.  Touted him as the next Ed Reed.  That's pretty damn high praise, I'd refer to him more as an ~90% Sean Taylor.  But imagine someone like that + Dawk.

I don't know if we draft CB and move Sheldon (good fit for sheldon, but what do we have as cb's?  W. James showed he can suck some big cock tonight).
Start at WR if a stud is available?
a fatty DT?

I'm not sure what our #1 need is CB, SS, or WR...?  (besides management that is)

I think we have enough DE's. 

The thing I like about Gruden is even though he ran the ball for like 3.4 yards vs us (in the championship game?), he still ran it more than 4 times.  He's also creative in the sense that he came out running a hurry up offense so Hugh couldn't step on the field.  What did we do last week vs the Packers?  Ran our slow ass passy ass happy offense allowing the pack to sub in half the line and put in pass rush "specialists" to kill McNabb.  Great adjustment by Reid, what a fargtard.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 08:25:07 AM
The DL needs to be rebuilt.  The skins were starting backups on the entire right side, and the Eagles couldn't get any pressure and only performed so-so against the run.

Kearse needs to be sold for glue.  Howard's done.  Cole is a reserve pass rusher.  Patterson's been spotty.  Frankly, Bunkley is the only guy with a solid right to start on that line, unbelievably enough.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
lately ive been thinking that reid would/could resign as soon as even this next offseason...but after thinking about it overnight its not gonna happen due to the kolb pick...they are attached now for the next four five years...reid didnt trade out of the first round and take this guy when many other positions needed to be addressed so that he could quit a year after pick
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
lately ive been thinking that reid would/could resign as soon as even this next offseason...but after thinking about it overnight its not gonna happen due to the kolb pick...they are attached now for the next four five years...reid didnt trade out of the first round and take this guy when many other positions needed to be addressed so that he could quit a year after pick

Lurie needs to decide today that Reid would be better served taking a very extended leave of absense to take care of his family.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 09:03:46 AM
How much of this is Banner's fault?  We know that he's extremely frugal when it comes to opening the checkbook.  He's a great cap manager but exactly how much imput does he really have when it comes to signing free agents or re-signing current players?  I'm of the opinion that he's just as much at fault as Reid is when it comes to missing out on certain players.  When the Eagles brought him in, he was hailed as some sort of salary cap guru and made a name by signing players to long term deals that were cap friendly (McNabb, Dawkins, etc). 

But with the exception of the taterskins who still spend like they print their own money, most teams in the league have followed the Eagles example and there are very few out there who seem to be in salary cap hell.  So much like the NFC has caught up to and passed the Eagles on the field, it seems like a lot of cap guys out there have caught up to and maybe even passed Banner in managing a teams budget. 

Thoughts? 
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 09:03:46 AM
How much of this is Banner's fault? 

This year's issues aren't his fault at all.

Frankly, with smarter coaching, the assembled player personnel could easily be 2-0.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Cerevant on September 18, 2007, 09:06:12 AM
I've thrown out some criteria before, but it really boils down to this: they will milk this cash cow until it is dry.

How many people decided not to renew their season tickets after the last 6-10 season?  How many of you will not renew them after this year?
How many people on this board would jump at the opportunity to get season tickets for face value?
How many people on this board have purchased licensed NFL apparel in the last 12 months?
How many people on this board pay to watch the Eagles (NFL Sunday Ticket, Bars)?

Until seats are empty and the cash stops flowing, it would be a moronic business decision to change anything.  While the current level of frustration may seem to indicate otherwise, the fact that the Eagles haven't gone 2 years without making the playoffs gives the fanbase at large hope.  As long as there is hope, the cash will continue to flow.  As long as the cash continues to flow, Andy Reid will be the head coach of the Eagles.

Get used to it.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on September 18, 2007, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
lately ive been thinking that reid would/could resign as soon as even this next offseason...but after thinking about it overnight its not gonna happen due to the kolb pick...they are attached now for the next four five years...reid didnt trade out of the first round and take this guy when many other positions needed to be addressed so that he could quit a year after pick

That is pretty much the conclusion that I have drawn.  He wouldn't take Kolb unless he was planning on being here for the long haul.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: hunt on September 18, 2007, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 18, 2007, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 09:03:46 AM
How much of this is Banner's fault? 

Frankly, with smarter coaching, the assembled player personnel could easily be 2-0.

yep.
the personnel doesn't match the scheme.
can't run a pass-first, west coast offense with an inaccurate qb & wr's who can't get open or get yac.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Quote
That is pretty much the conclusion that I have drawn.  He wouldn't take Kolb unless he was planning on being here for the long haul.

Andy Reid met Larry Brown out for dinner before the game...dont be so sure
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 09:12:48 AM
i put far more of the blame on reid/heckert than banner...banner can be blamed for things like letting mike lewis go in favor of considine and perhaps the team not going all out for certain free agents...but in general reid and heckert have whiffed on so many players its not even funny....i mean have they hit big on a player whether it be a FA or draft pick since andrews...i cant think of any...thats going on four years now...and it shows all across the roster...there is a dearth of talent...

and now this year hunt cant get on the damn field and they cut two picks in camp
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on September 18, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Quote
That is pretty much the conclusion that I have drawn.  He wouldn't take Kolb unless he was planning on being here for the long haul.

Andy Reid met Larry Brown out for dinner before the game...dont be so sure

What does that have to do with anything? You are reading way too much into the situation.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 09:14:48 AM
I'd say the problem is that they cut Barksdale, but his team is 0-2 also.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 18, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Quote
That is pretty much the conclusion that I have drawn.  He wouldn't take Kolb unless he was planning on being here for the long haul.

Andy Reid met Larry Brown out for dinner before the game...dont be so sure

What does that have to do with anything? You are reading way too much into the situation.

and you are reading way too much into the statement...
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 18, 2007, 09:06:12 AM
I've thrown out some criteria before, but it really boils down to this: they will milk this cash cow until it is dry.

How many people decided not to renew their season tickets after the last 6-10 season?  How many of you will not renew them after this year?
How many people on this board would jump at the opportunity to get season tickets for face value?
How many people on this board have purchased licensed NFL apparel in the last 12 months?
How many people on this board pay to watch the Eagles (NFL Sunday Ticket, Bars)?

Until seats are empty and the cash stops flowing, it would be a moronic business decision to change anything.  While the current level of frustration may seem to indicate otherwise, the fact that the Eagles haven't gone 2 years without making the playoffs gives the fanbase at large hope.  As long as there is hope, the cash will continue to flow.  As long as the cash continues to flow, Andy Reid will be the head coach of the Eagles.

Get used to it.


none of this is really an issue....the team made four conf championships and a superbowl...its not as if they are going 4-12 every year and not spending money...i agree the money could be better spent at times...but mostly its been horrible coaching that has prevented them from winning a title and now bad PP decisions that have thwem going in the wrong direction

in other words this isnt a phillies situation where they truly could care less if they ever win a world series...lurie really wants a superbowl his main problem now is the fact that hes too close to andy and he either doesnt want to or cant make the move to seperate himself from a terrible coach
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 09:12:48 AM
and now this year hunt doesnt even dress on gameday and they cut two picks in camp

fixed for accuracy
Title: Enough of this farging bullshtein...
Post by: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 09:43:49 AM
I used to love McNabb. Like, all-time favorite athlete, love. But if I have to read one more farging article like this I'm going to farging kill someone. Probably you. All of you. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308)

Get rid of him. Now.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 10:20:13 AM
QuoteBrown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

Um....yeah....thats because their 10x's better than you, and are more accurate, and more are efficient, read the defense better, and...
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: reese125 on September 18, 2007, 10:23:50 AM
oh...and enough with the racial semantics McNabb. Your black, Im white..get over it and do something about it fool
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: TexasEagle on September 18, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 05:11:53 AM
The team isn't cooked yet though. It looks bad now, but everyone said the same thing last year. They aren't a championship caliber team, but playoffs are still a real possibility in this awful conference.

There's NO POINT in getting to the playoffs if you can't win the Superbowl. It's stunning how many people will accept the mediocrity of just making the playoffs when they KNOW Philly has no chance to win the endgame. Stop settling for scraps.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: TexasEagle on September 18, 2007, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 09:12:48 AM
i put far more of the blame on reid/heckert than banner...banner can be blamed for things like letting mike lewis go in favor of considine and perhaps the team not going all out for certain free agents...but in general reid and heckert have whiffed on so many players its not even funny....i mean have they hit big on a player whether it be a FA or draft pick since andrews...i cant think of any...thats going on four years now...and it shows all across the roster...there is a dearth of talent...

and now this year hunt cant get on the damn field and they cut two picks in camp


Agreed. Banner isn't responsible for cutting Bloom & Reed and bringing back Mahe. Banner isn't responsible for the game plan (or lack their of). Banner is making the run/pass ratio ridiculously skewed. Banner isn't keeping Hunt in street clothes while Buckhalter sucks up the field with a 2 ypc average... Of all the things currently wrong with this team Banner's fairly far down the list. Yeah he might not pay for top flight talent, but how much of that is Reid also saying he doesn't need top flight talent at those positions?
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 10:45:29 AM
There is no doubt the media's coddling of McNabb is higher due to racial sensitivities.  It's ridiculous, but to make up for the Rush Limbaughs and other occasional idiots, most media guys are way too easy on him.

Charles Barkley was nauseating last night with his suckling of McNabb and Reid as well.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: troyhstewart on September 18, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 05:11:53 AM
You can turn yourself around in the NFL very fast. That has been proven. The Eagles themselves jumped from 6-10 to 10-6.

I agree Reid has to go and Heckert as well. Get someone in here who doesn't have these little asinine philosophies about certain positions not being valued. You need to value receivers and linebackers. You just do.

I think this team can still be fixed very quickly if they will just go out for once and land some impact farging players in the offseason instead of waiting for the first wave of free agents to all get signed by other teams. Also

The team isn't cooked yet though. It looks bad now, but everyone said the same thing last year. They aren't a championship caliber team, but playoffs are still a real possibility in this awful conference.

Looking at this team right now though they need 2 new defensive ends, a go to receiver, a nickel corner, and a threat as a returner. Add those things with a new coach like Gruden who will actually run the ball and be creative and you have a top team in the NFC.

You don't win by signing a lot of free agents. They need to draft better, plain and simple. They'll need 3 strong drafts to get the team back to a NFC championship type level.

#1 need is a new head coach who runs the farging ball and understands that adding the best players to the team is the most important thing, not position.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Phanatic on September 18, 2007, 11:07:10 AM
So did anyone else get the feeling that the guys in the Monday night booth were hoping we would all go out and kill ourselves as Eagles fans...

Yeah rebuild the team. It be nice to get a high level draft pick is, however I'm not sure this is the coaching staff I want to make that decision.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on September 18, 2007, 11:07:10 AM
It be nice to get a high level draft pick is, however I'm not sure this is the coaching staff I want to make that decision.

The fact that you're not absolutely sure it should NOT be this coaching staff makes you an insufferable homer.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: troyhstewart on September 18, 2007, 11:15:56 AM
they need to trade all 1st day picks down multiple times, thus accumulating 14 5th round picks.


Super. Bowl.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: troyhstewart on September 18, 2007, 11:15:56 AM
they need to trade all 1st day picks down multiple times, thus accumulating 14 5th round picks.

I'd like to see those guys get in the mix there and compete.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: MDS on September 18, 2007, 11:19:27 AM
Send him to Chicago for Devin Hester and some top round draft picks, please.

QuoteAfrican-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.

McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."

Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.

"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.

"Not everybody," McNabb replies.

Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

What a baby.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 09:43:49 AM
I used to love McNabb. Like, all-time favorite athlete, love. But if I have to read one more farging article like this I'm going to farging kill someone. Probably you. All of you. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308)

Get rid of him. Now.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: SunMo on September 18, 2007, 11:26:02 AM
nice work PG
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 11:28:31 AM
Now you want to sex me.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 18, 2007, 11:28:32 AM
Chicago would not trade Devin Hester for McNabb straight up right now.

And even if they were stupid enough to do it (and had the cap room), McNabb would fail his physical.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Quasimoto on September 18, 2007, 12:02:08 PM
What offensive linemen are available in this draft around the 5-9 range of picks.  Because even if we do get a high pick.  It's not going to a skill player like DeSean Jackson or Darren McFadden.  It will be some OG out of Troy State with high upside.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: bowzer on September 18, 2007, 12:29:50 PM
I mentioned Mcnabb playing the racecard in the gamethread last night.  I used to be a big fan but I'm tired of this shtein.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 18, 2007, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 09:43:49 AM
I used to love McNabb. Like, all-time favorite athlete, love. But if I have to read one more farging article like this I'm going to farging kill someone. Probably you. All of you. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308)


I love how no one has mentioned with this that last night, McNabb referred to Curtis as "White Lightning", but does an interview about how he is viewed in a different light because he is Latino.

McNabb needs to shut the farg up. As if Peyton Manning didn't get criticized about everything he did before he won a ring. Easily more that anything McNabb has ever gotten.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: The BIGSTUD on September 18, 2007, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: troyhstewart on September 18, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 05:11:53 AM
You can turn yourself around in the NFL very fast. That has been proven. The Eagles themselves jumped from 6-10 to 10-6.

I agree Reid has to go and Heckert as well. Get someone in here who doesn't have these little asinine philosophies about certain positions not being valued. You need to value receivers and linebackers. You just do.

I think this team can still be fixed very quickly if they will just go out for once and land some impact farging players in the offseason instead of waiting for the first wave of free agents to all get signed by other teams. Also

The team isn't cooked yet though. It looks bad now, but everyone said the same thing last year. They aren't a championship caliber team, but playoffs are still a real possibility in this awful conference.

Looking at this team right now though they need 2 new defensive ends, a go to receiver, a nickel corner, and a threat as a returner. Add those things with a new coach like Gruden who will actually run the ball and be creative and you have a top team in the NFC.

You don't win by signing a lot of free agents. They need to draft better, plain and simple. They'll need 3 strong drafts to get the team back to a NFC championship type level.

#1 need is a new head coach who runs the farging ball and understands that adding the best players to the team is the most important thing, not position.

You need to do both. Their drafting hasn't been all-world, but it is hard to bash them about the drafts without having stats on hit and misses on every team in the league. Every team misses in drafts. I don't know if the Eagles do it more or less than anyone else.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 18, 2007, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 18, 2007, 11:28:32 AM
Chicago would not trade Devin Hester for McNabb straight up right now.

And even if they were stupid enough to do it (and had the cap room), McNabb would fail his physical.

I'd feel sorry for Hester when he says the talent we throw in front of him for special teams.

Oh yeah, where's my Considine blocking 4 punts a game??!?
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: The BIGSTUD on September 18, 2007, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 18, 2007, 11:28:32 AM
Chicago would not trade Devin Hester for McNabb straight up right now.

And even if they were stupid enough to do it (and had the cap room), McNabb would fail his physical.

We could've had Hester instead of Justice if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:52:33 AM
Boner Alert
QuoteFITZGERALD EYEBALLING ARIZONA EXIT?

Only two regular-season games into the Ken Whisenhunt era, rumors already are flying receiver Larry Fitzgerald is looking to leave the Cardinals when his rookie contract ends.

Fitzgerald, as the rumor goes, is not a big fan of Whisenhunt's run-based offense, and for good reason.  Fitzgerald currently is averaging only five catches and 53.5 yards per game, which puts him on pace for 80 receptions and 856 receiving yards for the season.  He currently has no receiving touchdowns in 2007.

There's no indication that Fitzgerald, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2004 draft, plans to try to force his way out prematurely.  Based on the escalators in his rookie contract, there was speculation when it was signed that the Cardinals would likely have to extend the deal after four seasons.  Since this is Fitzgerald's fourth season, and given that it's hard to justify two highly-paid wideouts (Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin) if the offense doesn't take full advantage of both of their skills, it could be time for the Cardinals to think about trading Fitzgerald.

One potential destination would be Minnesota, given that Fitzgerald is a native of Minneapolis and worked as a ball boy during the days of Cris Carter and Randy Moss.  Though plenty of folks are murmuring about the Vikes possibly sniffing around Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, we think it makes more sense for the Vikes try to bring Fitzgerald home.

Especially if the team wants to sell out the Metrodome on a regular basis.     

Getting Fitz would be that true #1 this team needs
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:52:33 AM
Boner Alert
QuoteFITZGERALD EYEBALLING ARIZONA EXIT?

Only two regular-season games into the Ken Whisenhunt era, rumors already are flying receiver Larry Fitzgerald is looking to leave the Cardinals when his rookie contract ends.

Fitzgerald, as the rumor goes, is not a big fan of Whisenhunt's run-based offense, and for good reason.  Fitzgerald currently is averaging only five catches and 53.5 yards per game, which puts him on pace for 80 receptions and 856 receiving yards for the season.  He currently has no receiving touchdowns in 2007.

There's no indication that Fitzgerald, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2004 draft, plans to try to force his way out prematurely.  Based on the escalators in his rookie contract, there was speculation when it was signed that the Cardinals would likely have to extend the deal after four seasons.  Since this is Fitzgerald's fourth season, and given that it's hard to justify two highly-paid wideouts (Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin) if the offense doesn't take full advantage of both of their skills, it could be time for the Cardinals to think about trading Fitzgerald.

One potential destination would be Minnesota, given that Fitzgerald is a native of Minneapolis and worked as a ball boy during the days of Cris Carter and Randy Moss.  Though plenty of folks are murmuring about the Vikes possibly sniffing around Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, we think it makes more sense for the Vikes try to bring Fitzgerald home.

Especially if the team wants to sell out the Metrodome on a regular basis.     

Getting Fitz would be that true #1 this team needs

yeah but by that time mcnabb will be gone and kolb will be starting.

plus i think he will cost a lot of money.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:52:33 AM
Boner Alert
QuoteFITZGERALD EYEBALLING ARIZONA EXIT?

Only two regular-season games into the Ken Whisenhunt era, rumors already are flying receiver Larry Fitzgerald is looking to leave the Cardinals when his rookie contract ends.

Fitzgerald, as the rumor goes, is not a big fan of Whisenhunt's run-based offense, and for good reason.  Fitzgerald currently is averaging only five catches and 53.5 yards per game, which puts him on pace for 80 receptions and 856 receiving yards for the season.  He currently has no receiving touchdowns in 2007.

There's no indication that Fitzgerald, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2004 draft, plans to try to force his way out prematurely.  Based on the escalators in his rookie contract, there was speculation when it was signed that the Cardinals would likely have to extend the deal after four seasons.  Since this is Fitzgerald's fourth season, and given that it's hard to justify two highly-paid wideouts (Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin) if the offense doesn't take full advantage of both of their skills, it could be time for the Cardinals to think about trading Fitzgerald.

One potential destination would be Minnesota, given that Fitzgerald is a native of Minneapolis and worked as a ball boy during the days of Cris Carter and Randy Moss.  Though plenty of folks are murmuring about the Vikes possibly sniffing around Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, we think it makes more sense for the Vikes try to bring Fitzgerald home.

Especially if the team wants to sell out the Metrodome on a regular basis.     

Getting Fitz would be that true #1 this team needs


I'd cum on myself if we got Fitzgerald. 
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 20, 2007, 11:02:37 AM
Ha. I saw that. There are about 29 teams that would give a whole lot more for his services, and try harder to get him than the Eagles ever would.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 20, 2007, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
yeah but by that time mcnabb will be gone and kolb will be starting.

Good.  Why waste time having Donnie McHeart-throb build his timing with Fitz?  Kolbsy!
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
But we're so far below the salary cap!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!KKKKK!J!!J!K!J!J!H!GF*^!F!V!!*B!% T!!! !
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
But we're so far below the salary cap!!!!!!KKKKK!J!!J!K!J!J!H!GF*^!F!V!!*B!% T! !

they are saving that money to offer gocong a huge contract after he makes the pro bowl this yr.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
But we're so far below the salary cap!!KKKKK!J!!J!K!J!J!H!GF*^!F!V!!*B!% T! !

they are saving that money to offer gocong a huge contract after he makes the pro bowl this yr.

Why?  Are they going to reimburse him the cost of his tickets? 
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 03:15:04 PM
So what number will Fitz wear in Washington?
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 25, 2007, 12:20:57 PM
Counterpoint from Spadaro:

Is Brian Westbrook the best RB in the NFL? (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14025&spadaro=1)


This is akin to IGY's point that Miller's Crossing might be the best movie of the 90's.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on September 25, 2007, 12:28:54 PM
I think its safe to say he compares very well at this point to Marshall Faulk.  Obviously he has durablity issues, but skill wise they are very similar. 
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 30, 2007, 09:11:46 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: SunMo on September 30, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
oh my god, the eagles are losing by 7 points...BLOW IT UP!
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 09:50:19 PM
We've got folks wanting to dynamite them and MMH's Kotite references have already come out.

Joy!
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on September 30, 2007, 09:53:13 PM
Wonder if Vermeil would be interested in coming back
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 30, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
Just what this team needs is a sissy that cries at the drop of a hat.

Him and McNabb could scrapbook together.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on September 30, 2007, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
Just what this team needs is a sissy that cries at the drop of a hat.

Him and McNabb could scrapbook together.

Ever see Invincible or when he told Larry Johnson he should take the diapers off. LJ responded and was a great player after that.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 01, 2007, 07:27:37 AM
He hasn't got the memo for my money league team.
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Wingspan on October 01, 2007, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 30, 2007, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
Just what this team needs is a sissy that cries at the drop of a hat.

Him and McNabb could scrapbook together.

Ever see Invincible or when he told Larry Johnson he should take the diapers off. LJ responded and was a great player after that.

Sign Greg Kinear?
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 01, 2007, 01:37:31 PM
Why not?
Title: Re: Time to rebuild this team starting from the coach on down.
Post by: Don Ho on October 01, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on October 01, 2007, 01:31:11 PM
Sign Greg Kinear?

ha  :-D