Can this be Reid's last year? Even if they go 0-16 I somehow doubt it.
I absolutely cannot wait for the Andy Reid era to end in Philly. I just hope it's in my lifetime at this point (c'mon Lurie, get a clue). I know he's the winningest coach in Philly history but he's a farging joke right now. I've never seen anyone so steadfastly REFUSE to upgrade key areas and ignore basic principles of football. The Eagles are the only sports team I root for that I've never seen win a championship (I don't root for any other Philly area teams than the Eagles as I'm not from Philly) and, honestly, I'm really starting to believe they've been lucky to have such a weak NFC to beat up on for the last few years. And while I'm still pissed from yet another opening day fiasco, it's not that anger talking. I seriously am fed up with him and the entire coaching staff.
:boom
lurie will never fire him...hopefully between his family shtein and his disgraceful coaching the weight of it all will drive him to quit
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2007, 05:41:08 PM
lurie will never fire him...hopefully between his family shtein and his disgraceful coaching the weight of it all will drive him to shoot up with his kids and play bumper cars on the highway.
they will get rid of mcnabb first as if to imply he was the problem.
SIGN BRIAN MITCHELL!
I wish last year was his last year.
what always cheers me up is when ever the birds yak one, my 80 year old mother calls me and says "They need to get rid of Reid." God bless her as I just got the call a few hours ago.
She even questioned why they didn't take a shot into the endzone when they first got down inside the 10 in the second quarter.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 10, 2007, 12:08:37 AM
what always cheers me up is when ever the birds yak one, my 80 year old mother calls me and says "They need to get rid of Reid." God bless her as I just got the call a few hours ago.
She even questioned why they didn't take a shot into the endzone when they first got down inside the 10 in the second quarter.
because they thought barnett would forget he has to cover westbrook every play all game and not even look anywhere else?
I'll update my previous prediction: Andy would need at least 2 consecutive bad years with a veteran team (ie: McNabb at QB) OR at least 3 years of unsuccessful rebuilding (ie: after Kolb takes the helm).
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 09, 2007, 09:54:49 PM
they will get rid of mcnabb first as if to imply he was the problem.
And then he will go win a Super Bowl with the taterskins
.... and we pray......
Yeah, you guys are right there are a lot more successful head coaches in the NFC.
Parcells and Gibbs are absolute geniuses! They have done much better jobs than Reid over there current tenures in the NFC. Even though they have owners who are very fiscally responsible and keep alot of cap money left over. They have done farging great. Consistent winners, that's what they are. Coughlin is fantastic also. He has consistently done a much better job. Even from a personell standpoint. It's quite obvious he was brillaint in drafting his franchise QB.......much smarter than Reid. Holmgren has done a much better job in Seattle. You can excuse last year's 8-8 season afterall. he lost his starting QB....oh wait, so did Andy! This grass is always greener attitude makes me sick! Andy is one of the top two or three coaches in the league. It is that simple. You can talk up Belichek all you want but face it, if he really thought Brady would be this good, he would not have chanced drafting him as late as he did. That was a fluke. Dungy???? Please, he has been a head coach forever and he has one SB! One! Last year. We all bad mouthed him up until then.
i hope you die
Reid isn't smart enough or humble enough to win a SB.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 11, 2007, 09:02:43 PM
Reid isn't smart enough or humble enough to win a SB.
dont you have to be smart to be humble?
Probably. You certainly have to be smart to admit you're a farg-up and change your ways. He's never done that.
Quote from: stalker on September 11, 2007, 08:54:31 PM
Andy is one of the top two or three coaches in the league.
:-D
Yeah right. Go back to PE.com Spadaro.
Who's better?
Sean Payton, Bill Belichek, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith and a bit of a push but Jeff Fisher. And then any coach that knows how to make in game adjustments... then Reid.
Bill Cower
Lemme see.......who's got a Lombardi?
Belichick
Dungy
Holmgren
Shanahan
Hell, even Gibbs has a trophy. At least he's willing to make changes when his stupid shtein doesn't work.
When McNabb went down, they ran more and were effective.
Last Sunday? First drive, three passes, punt. Next drive, start running, gain first down, average 6 yards a carry. End result? About 60:40 pass:run. Genius.
And any coach worth his jib wouldn't be so farging stubborn about addressing key positions and then, going into the season with no one on the roster that's ever returned a punt. EVER.
Quote from: Phanatic on September 11, 2007, 09:58:19 PM
Bill Cower
No chance they lure him to Philly but that'd be awesome.
Just some wishful thinking I was doing last night during the Bengals/Ravens game but I'd really love to see Rex Ryan as the next Eagles head coach and if it means putting up with Andy for one or 2 more years to allow Rex to gain a little more experience, then I'd be all for it. I'm just wondering how much longer Billick is going to last in B-more. Because if the Ravens don't do anything this year and he gets canned, then I think there's a good chance for Ryan to take his place.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 11, 2007, 09:58:23 PM
Lemme see.......who's got a Lombardi?
Belichick
Dungy
Holmgren
Shanahan
Hell, even Gibbs has a trophy. At least he's willing to make changes when his stupid shtein doesn't work.
When McNabb went down, they ran more and were effective.
Last Sunday? First drive, three passes, punt. Next drive, start running, gain first down, average 6 yards a carry. End result? About 60:40 pass:run. Genius.
It was 54/46 to be more "about"...but you know...whatever...
Quote from: Wingspan on September 11, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 11, 2007, 09:58:23 PM
Lemme see.......who's got a Lombardi?
Belichick
Dungy
Holmgren
Shanahan
Hell, even Gibbs has a trophy. At least he's willing to make changes when his stupid shtein doesn't work.
When McNabb went down, they ran more and were effective.
Last Sunday? First drive, three passes, punt. Next drive, start running, gain first down, average 6 yards a carry. End result? About 60:40 pass:run. Genius.
It was 54/46 to be more "about"...but you know...whatever...
considering mcnabbs injury and comeback and the fact we have a great RB in westbrook and capable backups in buckhunt....we should have had the ratio closer to 60 run : 40 pass.
Quote from: stalker on September 11, 2007, 08:54:31 PM
You can talk up Belichek all you want but face it, if he really thought Brady would be this good, he would not have chanced drafting him as late as he did. That was a fluke. Dungy???? Please, he has been a head coach forever and he has one SB! One! Last year. We all bad mouthed him up until then.
(http://misers.org/pictures/SomethingAwful/20050920-lol/rofljaculation.gif)
Thats quite possibly the best .gif animation on the internet
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 12, 2007, 07:03:15 AM
Thats quite possibly the best .gif animation on the internet
I think Sun Mo's wins (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/taxkvntz/1188543054owen-wilson-1.gif)
Quote from: Wingspan on September 11, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 11, 2007, 09:58:23 PM
Lemme see.......who's got a Lombardi?
Belichick
Dungy
Holmgren
Shanahan
Hell, even Gibbs has a trophy. At least he's willing to make changes when his stupid shtein doesn't work.
When McNabb went down, they ran more and were effective.
Last Sunday? First drive, three passes, punt. Next drive, start running, gain first down, average 6 yards a carry. End result? About 60:40 pass:run. Genius.
It was 54/46 to be more "about"...but you know...whatever...
Actually, if you call McNabb's runs pass plays, which they likely (definitely) were, and add in the sacks, it was more than 60% pass plays called. Don't let facts cloud your judgment though.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 12, 2007, 07:59:10 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 11, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 11, 2007, 09:58:23 PM
Lemme see.......who's got a Lombardi?
Belichick
Dungy
Holmgren
Shanahan
Hell, even Gibbs has a trophy. At least he's willing to make changes when his stupid shtein doesn't work.
When McNabb went down, they ran more and were effective.
Last Sunday? First drive, three passes, punt. Next drive, start running, gain first down, average 6 yards a carry. End result? About 60:40 pass:run. Genius.
It was 54/46 to be more "about"...but you know...whatever...
Actually, if you call McNabb's runs pass plays, which they likely (definitely) were, and add in the sacks, it was more than 60% pass plays called. Don't let facts cloud your judgment though.
I won't, thanks!
I'll just keep overreacting and jumping to conclusions after one game.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 12, 2007, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 12, 2007, 07:03:15 AM
Thats quite possibly the best .gif animation on the internet
I think Sun Mo's wins (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/taxkvntz/1188543054owen-wilson-1.gif)
:-D :-D :-D
I'll just keep overreacting and jumping to conclusions after one game.
hey now, we don't do that around here.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 11, 2007, 10:08:32 PM
Just some wishful thinking I was doing last night during the Bengals/Ravens game but I'd really love to see Rex Ryan as the next Eagles head coach and if it means putting up with Andy for one or 2 more years to allow Rex to gain a little more experience, then I'd be all for it. I'm just wondering how much longer Billick is going to last in B-more. Because if the Ravens don't do anything this year and he gets canned, then I think there's a good chance for Ryan to take his place.
I was kind of hoping for Rivera. He signed a 2 year contract with S.D., but...
He's a friggin mormon. Who the hell in there right mind is mormon? I mean seriously?!?!? He might as well be a damn scientologist. Just goes to show how with it Andy Reid is. Look at his family. He hasn't had a good consistent coaching year since, well i can't say. While we did win and got to playoffs, he's just gone downhill ever since. No progress at all. If I'm the boss, im def. looking at other coaches.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 13, 2007, 04:03:16 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 11, 2007, 10:08:32 PM
Just some wishful thinking I was doing last night during the Bengals/Ravens game but I'd really love to see Rex Ryan as the next Eagles head coach and if it means putting up with Andy for one or 2 more years to allow Rex to gain a little more experience, then I'd be all for it. I'm just wondering how much longer Billick is going to last in B-more. Because if the Ravens don't do anything this year and he gets canned, then I think there's a good chance for Ryan to take his place.
I was kind of hoping for Rivera. He signed a 2 year contract with S.D., but...
I would prefer the next HC to be someone with no past within this organization. I don't want someone who's going to toe the company line. I want a complete outsider who wasn't groomed in any way, shape or form by the current administration.
Lurie will never fire Reid. The only way Reid leaves is if he decides he's had enough of the life. He's coming up on 10 years, so it wouldn't surprise me if he finishes out his current contract and then leaves for greener pastures, hopefully somewhere west of the Rocky Mountains.
lurie wont fire reid publically...but i can def see a scenario where they sit down behind close doors and lurie is like i think it might be time for a change...and then reid holds a presser saying hes resigned
I love the Rex Ryan idea.
Bill Cower
Reid's contract runs out at the end of the 2010 season.
I don't think I can take another four years of "time's yours" from that motherfarger.
I would ejaculate thrice if Cowher was brought in. He'd be ideal for Philly fans but I don't think he's Banner & Lurie's dream date, plus they'd have to hijack Fort Knox to get him there. And we all know how much Lurie & Banner love to spend money.
I don't get it - Cowher floundered in Pittsburgh for 15 years before he won a super bowl. What makes him such a deity?
Cowher floundered in Pittsburgh for 15 years before he won a super bowl.
stay off the crack
and hes not a diety...hes the best coach on the planet not in the league right now
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 13, 2007, 01:37:43 PM
Reid's contract runs out at the end of the 2010 season.
I don't think I can take another four years of "time's yours" from that motherfarger.
I would ejaculate thrice if Cowher was brought in. He'd be ideal for Philly fans but I don't think he's Banner & Lurie's dream date, plus they'd have to hijack Fort Knox to get him there. And we all know how much Lurie & Banner love to spend money.
Isn't Andy Reid one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL?
Cower lost and won a super bowl in his time in the AFC. What I like most is that his coaching style seems to lean towards good defense and a smash mouth running game.
Quote from: Phanatic on September 13, 2007, 01:55:57 PM
Cower lost and won a super bowl in his time in the AFC. What I like most is that his coaching style seems to lean towards good defense and a smash mouth running game.
He also lost 4 AFC Championship games, at home.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 13, 2007, 01:37:43 PM
I would ejaculate thrice if Cowher was brought in. He'd be ideal for Philly fans but I don't think he's Banner & Lurie's dream date, plus they'd have to hijack Fort Knox to get him there. And we all know how much Lurie & Banner love to spend money.
Youre' spending too much time on the EMB. Paying coaches has not been the issue. If I remember correctly, wasn't JJ the highest paid DC's for like 2 weeks?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
Cowher floundered in Pittsburgh for 15 years before he won a super bowl.
stay off the crack
and hes not a diety...hes the best coach on the planet not in the league right now
Bill Cowher: 149 - 90 - 1 (0.623), Post season 12 - 9 (0.571) SB: 1W, 1L, 2 appearances in 15 years (0.133)
Andy Reid: 80 - 49 - 0 (0.620), Post season 8 - 6 (0.571) SB: 0W, 1L, 1 appearance in 8 years (0.125)
Their records are virtually identical. I don't like Andy either, but I lived in State College in '98 and heard the calls for Cowher's head. The chin wasn't so popular back then.
Cower lost and won a super bowl in his time in the AFC. What I like most is that his coaching style seems to lean towards good defense and a smash mouth running game.
more than that he can do simple things like call a game and manage a clock...get plays in on time...properly fill all the positions on a roster
hes not bill walsh by any means but hes an excellent coach...far superior to reid tho that isnt saying much
and also while he hasnt been a gm hes a good talent evaluator especially on defense
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:15:24 PM
hes not bill walsh by any means but hes an excellent coach...far superior to reid tho that isnt saying much
You keep saying that, but where is the evidence of that? What has Cowher done that Andy hasn't done besides win the super bowl? What had Cowher done in his first 7 years that Andy hasn't already done?
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
What has Cowher done that Andy hasn't done besides win the super bowl?
oh...only besides that tiny little detail?
Ok, well give Andy another 8 years and he might luck out and deliver too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:15:24 PM
Cower lost and won a super bowl in his time in the AFC. What I like most is that his coaching style seems to lean towards good defense and a smash mouth running game.
more than that he can do simple things like call a game and manage a clock...get plays in on time...properly fill all the positions on a roster
hes not bill walsh by any means but hes an excellent coach...far superior to reid tho that isnt saying much
and also while he hasnt been a gm hes a good talent evaluator especially on defense
I agree with all of this. Anyone who thinks that Cowher and Reid are comparable as coaches needs to have their farging head examined.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2007, 02:22:02 PM
Ok, well give Andy another 8 years and he might luck out and deliver too.
just totally ignore that Andy Reid has played in the weakest conference and division since he's been there, that should help your cause
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 13, 2007, 01:37:43 PM
Reid's contract runs out at the end of the 2010 season.
I don't think I can take another four years of "time's yours" from that motherfarger.
I would ejaculate thrice if Cowher was brought in. He'd be ideal for Philly fans but I don't think he's Banner & Lurie's dream date, plus they'd have to hijack Fort Knox to get him there. And we all know how much Lurie & Banner love to spend money.
Isn't Andy Reid one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL?
I was referring to having to pay Reid if they fire him plus someone else like Cowher. The Eagles don't like paying one guy let alone two.
Quote from: SunMo on September 13, 2007, 02:28:25 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2007, 02:22:02 PM
Ok, well give Andy another 8 years and he might luck out and deliver too.
just totally ignore that Andy Reid has played in the weakest conference and division since he's been there, that should help your cause
Um...the Steelers were in a division with Cleveland and Cinncinnati, Oilers and Expansion Jaguars for most of cowhers time. Not exactly stellar competition.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2007, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
Cowher floundered in Pittsburgh for 15 years before he won a super bowl.
stay off the crack
and hes not a diety...hes the best coach on the planet not in the league right now
Bill Cowher: 149 - 90 - 1 (0.623), Post season 12 - 9 (0.571) SB: 1W, 1L, 2 appearances in 15 years (0.133)
Andy Reid: 80 - 49 - 0 (0.620), Post season 8 - 6 (0.571) SB: 0W, 1L, 1 appearance in 8 years (0.125)
Their records are virtually identical. I don't like Andy either, but I lived in State College in '98 and heard the calls for Cowher's head. The chin wasn't so popular back then.
lets see andy keep that record up for another seven years...not gonna happen...lets see andy win a superbowl...not gonna happen...in 8 years andy has two sub .500 years in 15 cowher had three
anyway i was never comparing reid and cowher i was laughing at you saying that cowher "floundered" for 15 years
Quote from: SunMo on September 13, 2007, 02:28:25 PM
just totally ignore that Andy Reid has played in the weakest conference and division since he's been there, that should help your cause
Ok, and you can ignore that Cowher coached in the weak AFC back when SF & Dallas were manhandling the rest of the league.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
anyway i was never comparing reid and cowher i was laughing at you saying that cowher "floundered" for 15 years
Yes, slight hyperbole, but my point was that the prevailing attitude here is No SB = Failure. By those terms, Cowher was a failure for 13 years.
I'm not saying Reid is a great coach, I just don't think Cowher is all that. You are just seeing him through SB colored glasses. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
like rjs said you cant watch each of these guys coach a game and think they are in the same league as football coach...ill submit andy is better when it comes to organization and preperation...he may be the best at that...but id rather have a guy that is competant once the whistle blows and all kinds of variables come into play that require you changing on the fly and adapting to different situations...something andy is woefully bad at...because after all that is what most of coaching is made up of
It is clear that their abilities are apples and oranges, but the bottom line is the difference in their talents has not translated to a difference in production. There is no reason to believe that bringing Cowher to the Eagles would make them any more likely to win a Super Bowl.
Does Andy need to go? Yes
Could another coach do better with this team? Possibly
Could another coach suck worse than Andy? Probably
Head coaching changes rarely result in significant improvement in the results of a team. Probably about half the time it makes things worse.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
but my point was that the prevailing attitude here is No SB = Failure. By those terms, Cowher was a failure for 13 years.
I'm not saying Reid is a great coach, I just don't think Cowher is all that. You are just seeing him through SB colored glasses. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
only one team wins the superbowl every year...winning a superbowl does not make a good coach and not all coaches that win superbowls are automatically great...but bad coaches do not win sb's
i look much more at
in game coaching
adjustments
how they relate to their players
talent evaluation
overall philosphy
and in all those categories cowher wins out over reid...PLUS hes won a superbowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
No one handles preparation better than Andy.
That's why there's only three safeties on the roster, no full-time punt returner, no kickoff returner, a gimpy quarterback backed up by a guy with a broken paw & a rookie, no receivers worth a damn, two linebackers who are either green as hell or completely overmatched and playing out of position, a punter from Australia, mediocre defensive tackles you've spent two #1 picks on, a safety who looks like a blown up hockey player, a team that is inching towards the bottom of the league in penalties per game, on and on. . .
But at least they're 12 million under the cap so they'll be able to offer extensions to even more stiffs who clearly don't deserve them.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
no but if you go deep into the playoffs and continously come up short cause youre an idiot then its time for a change...when the steelers were losing it wasnt due to cowher making agregious errors...
the fans that wanted him gone wanted him gone out of general frustration of losing the championship games...you never heard calls for cowhers head when they were winning in the regular season....and thats because they all knew deep down he was a great coach that just couldnt get over the top...andy continously does the same stupid things over and over and prevents himself from getting over the top
How is it possible that there are still people defending this clown?
I'll conceed that Cower's about the same as far as results as Reid. Reid's coaching days in Philly have about run their course. He could go somewhere else and do really well and most likely will. This situation is tired and I don't think he can revitalize it. It feels like we're at the end of a run. It was a good run. One of the best in Eagles history sure.
I throw out Cower because he's a descent coach who'll at least coach the style of football team that I like to watch. Smash mouth tough big hit defensive football. If the Eagles will continue not winning a superbowl every year it will at least be fun to watch a trail of bodies along the way.
That being said I'm really really liking the Rex Ryan idea more then Cower for some reason. Maybe because I'm a sentimental jerk or something.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
In the end you're not winning the Super Bowl at the end of the season (which is the end goal after all) so either option amounts to the same thing: No trophy. All that matters is winning the last game of the football season.
Quote"I profess a slow death, your plan of attack's a panic attack
Still better than Bush's plan for Iraq
My fam in the back, known to keep it realer than most
While you fake cats cower like the Steelers coach"
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 13, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
In the end you're not winning the Super Bowl at the end of the season (which is the end goal after all) so either option amounts to the same thing: No trophy. All that matters is winning the last game of the football season.
That's crap. I would rather watch 10 or 11 victories a year, plus hopefully a couple of playoff wins than watch a team go 8-8 or 7-9 with no playoffs. At least with the former, I get to enjoy myself that many more Sundays a year, and be able to live the dream until it's crushed. It's better to dream and fail than never dream at all.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 13, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
In the end you're not winning the Super Bowl at the end of the season (which is the end goal after all) so either option amounts to the same thing: No trophy. All that matters is winning the last game of the football season.
Is the superbowl the only game you watch?
There is no one more that I would love to see coach the eagles than Cowher. He has the ideal style for Philadelphia.
Side note in my madden franchise I fired Andy Reid in favor of Rex Ryan.
Quote from: Dillen on September 13, 2007, 05:44:44 PM
Quote"I profess a slow death, your plan of attack's a panic attack
Still better than Bush's plan for Iraq
My fam in the back, known to keep it realer than most
While you fake cats cower like the Steelers coach"
AOTP 4 LIFE... New album is coming out, the new track is sick. I thought i was the only person who heard those bars.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 13, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 13, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
my problem with reid is not that he hasnt won a superbowl in a general sense but that his teams have gotten close so many times and he cant close the deal due to his deficiencies
So it's better to go 9-7...8-8 annually, with the occasional 1st round playoff exit, than it is to go 10-6/11-5 most years, and deep into the playoffs on a regular basis?
In the end you're not winning the Super Bowl at the end of the season (which is the end goal after all) so either option amounts to the same thing: No trophy. All that matters is winning the last game of the football season.
Is the superbowl the only game you watch?
Yes, and I didn't watch the Eagles lose last Sunday. Don't be stupid. The point is, they play the games to win the Super Bowl. Winning 8 games and missing the playoffs or winning 12 games and losing in the NFCCG nets the same end result, no Super Bowl trophy. Your stupid analogy amounts to the same thing no matter which path is taken: Not winning the Super Bowl, which is what the teams go into every season trying to do. None of which has anything to do with MY involvement of watching the Eagles. This isn't rocket science.
Quote from: Father Demon on September 13, 2007, 06:13:36 PM
It's better to dream and fail than never dream at all.
Thank you, Tony Robbins.
I live in Pittsburgh. The feelings of most Steelers fans toward Cowher before he won his Super Bowl is virtually identical to the feelings of most people on this board toward Reid. I'm not saying that Reid's a good coach or that he is going to win a Super Bowl; just pointing out a fact about Bill Cowher. Personally I would prefer Cowher also.
The Eagles are only a year or two away from a complete rebuild anyway. Can a coaching staff really survive that?
Quote from: Phanatic on September 13, 2007, 10:59:02 PM
The Eagles are only a year or two away from a complete rebuild anyway. Can a coaching staff really survive that?
This one could. I don't think Ried will be gone until he retires.
With the eventual success of coaches like Cowher and Dungy, we can count on Andy being around for a long time.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 11, 2007, 09:57:12 PM
Sean Payton, Bill Belichek, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith and a bit of a push but Jeff Fisher. And then any coach that knows how to make in game adjustments... then Reid.
Well, let's see---
Sean Payton--where's his SB ring? Didn't his offense get absolutely hammered in a SB when he OC of the Giants? And wasn't his playcalling so bad the Giants replaced him?
Mike Shanahan--he's done nothing since Elway retired. And what people forget is his two SB trophies are tarnished just like Belicheck's. They were found guilty of circumventing the salary cap both years they won it.
Tony Dungy--he's been coaching since '96--how many trips to the playoffs did it take for him to win his Lombardi?
Lovie Smith--he won a SB ring as a DC, but what makes you think he's a better HC than Reid? Especially when he sticks with a disaster like Grossman at QB.
Fisher's had more down years than up years. Where's his SB ring as a HC?
Bobby. Stop it. The question isn't who has a superbowl ring. The question is who is a better in-game coach than Reid. And the answer is everyone.
If you honestly think that Reid is on par with any of those coaches in terms of in-game coaching and adjustments you are out of your goddamned mind.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 14, 2007, 08:47:14 AM
Bobby. Stop it. The question isn't who has a superbowl ring. The question is who is a better in-game coach than Reid. And the answer is everyone.
If you honestly think that Reid is on par with any of those coaches in terms of in-game coaching and adjustments you are out of your goddamned mind.
Yes, that is exactly the question. The person who supplied this list always goes to "the super bowl win is most important"
every situation for every coach is different in more than one way...it doesnt matter what sean payton did as the giants OC or lovie smith as a DC...
the question is are there more than a couple coaches out there that would have won a superbowl with the eagles over the last five years and the answer is a resounding yes imo
Not that I really care but in Dungy's defense he took over a terrible franchise in Tampa and made them into a superbowl team. I've always kind of gave him credit for TBs Super bowl run the year after he left because Gruden sucks...
The Superbowl win IS the most important. And any of those coaches, given the Eagles NFCCG teams, would have come away with a ring because they wouldn't have stopped running the ball in the second half, hideously mis-managed the clock, and been out-coached in every possible way. Andy Reid is an in-game hack.
What he is good at, what he needs is a complete disaster area of a team to calmly guide to success. He took the Eagles from laughing stock to top tier. But he will never, ever out-coach his peers until he learns to adjust his farging game-plans to account for his opponents.
He's creeping closer to "complete disaster area" with each passing (forgive the pun) season.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 14, 2007, 08:55:19 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 14, 2007, 08:47:14 AM
Bobby. Stop it. The question isn't who has a superbowl ring. The question is who is a better in-game coach than Reid. And the answer is everyone.
If you honestly think that Reid is on par with any of those coaches in terms of in-game coaching and adjustments you are out of your goddamned mind.
Yes, that is exactly the question. The person who supplied this list always goes to "the super bowl win is most important"
No, the question I
answered with the list of coaches is "who's better" than Andy Reid as a head coach. Which doesn't have anything to do with the Super Bowl being the most important thing for an NFL team, which it is. I swear it's like your arguing just to argue but you have no point.
There's better head coaches than Andy Reid and teams play an NFL season to WIN THE SUPER BOWL. Seriously, I don't know why some of you are getting your panties in a twist over this.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
QuoteRe: Can this be Reid's last year?
Please
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 17, 2007, 11:21:00 PM
QuoteRe: Can this be Reid's last year?
Please
rinse, repeat
i was hoping for a zesty season and a high draft pick. i now know the reason we're not winning is not the players, it's andy farging reid.
Tell you the truth, it's a bit of both. It just isn't a good football team.
Andy Reid was good the the Eagles for awhile. That time has long since past. The sooner he resigns or is pushed out, the better it is for the team.
For awhile, I just thought he had to leave as a coach, and could stay on as a personnel guy. But he just needs to go. Head off to BYU or something.
Like others have said before, Andy Reid is good at taking a bad team and making it good. However, he can't put a team over the top, and he's squandered our chance at a super bowl. It's time for him to go, game over.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:04:27 AM
Tell you the truth, it's a bit of both. It just isn't a good football team.
Memorize these words. They are the truest you will hear right now.
Someone pretend to be Lurie and call Bill Cowher. You can use my phone...
Cowher failed for 100 years before winning a Superbowl. That sounds like Andy's impending fate, but probably without the title at the end.
If they get rid of Reid, they need to go with a young first time coach. Perhaps someone who knows how to manage a game.
If this season tanks, I would say that Andy Reid is actually pretty likely to resign. His game plans have been horrible for both games and that is usually his strength. His head isn't where it normally is and his son is in farging jail. If this season spirals out of control he may actually check his pride and quit. [/wishful thinking]
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 12:12:10 AM
If this season tanks, I would say that Andy Reid is actually pretty likely to resign. His game plans have been horrible for both games and that is usually his strength. His head isn't where it normally is and his son is in farging jail. If this season spirals out of control he may actually check his pride and quit. [/wishful thinking]
No he won't. We live in Philadelphia, we wouldn't be blessed with such a decision.
lurie would give him a pass. other than lurie, reid is above all in the FO so he wont fire himself or resign. if lurie says he stays than he stays.
in the pre game show parcells was talking about how he loves philly...and im a firm believer parcells is over the hill in terms of coaching but all we really need is somoene who coaches the basics....and actually adjusts in game. someone who might have realized that with westbrook having the type of night he was having we should run more.
get parcells?
farg no. My brain would explode.
that time out he called tonight was manuel like
Quote from: MDS on September 18, 2007, 12:11:31 AM
Cowher failed for 100 years before winning a Superbowl.
True, but Cowher understands the basics of football... like running the ball, a big bruising defense and going for the jugular to win the game.
And HELL NO to Parcells. Are you farging nuts?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
that time out he called tonight was manuel like
Andy the iceman. Ice a kicker in the first half on a chipshot in a 6-3 game.
I've been thinking about the direction the Eagles have been heading since Reid took over as HC 8 years ago. Here's what I've come up with:
1. He inherited one of the worst offenses ever and made it an inconsistant, but sometimes high scoring offense.
2. He inherited a defense that was in it's infant stage of becoming a truly dominating defense but could never find that one missing piece that they were missing.
This team has now come full circle and is no better no than when he took over. In fact, it may be worse. When Reid took over the defense featured a healthy combo of youth and players in their prime like Dawk, Taylor, Vincent, Hugh and Trot. Other than Lito, Sheldon and Killa, there is no real youth on this defense to be excited about for the future. On offense there wasn't much to speak of except Thomas and Duce. Now Andrews and Westbrook are the only true future to this offense so as far as I'm concerned the offense is still roughly in the same place it was when Reid got here. I still love McNabb but for the first time since the Eagles drafted him, I really doubt whether or not he can lead this team to a SB. I do, however, have zero doubt that it will never be done with Reid at the helm.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 18, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
True, but Cowher understands the basics of football... like running the ball, a big bruising defense and going for the jugular to win the game.
And HELL NO to Parcells. Are you farging nuts?
This.
Quote from: bowzer on September 18, 2007, 12:21:09 AM
Andy the iceman. Ice a kicker in the first half on a chipshot in a 6-3 game.
God damn, I keep getting angrier and angrier.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 18, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
And HELL NO to Parcells. Are you farging nuts?
At this point, I would take the aborted fetus of MDS/Britney Spears over Reid so Parcells, or anyone else for that matter, gets my full fledged approval.
Aborted fetus > Parcells > MDS
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
I've been thinking about the direction the Eagles have been heading since Reid took over as HC 8 years ago. Here's what I've come up with:
1. He inherited one of the worst offenses ever and made it an inconsistant, but sometimes high scoring offense.
2. He inherited a defense that was in it's infant stage of becoming a truly dominating defense but could never find that one missing piece that they were missing.
This team has now come full circle and is no better no than when he took over. In fact, it may be worse. When Reid took over the defense featured a healthy combo of youth and players in their prime like Dawk, Taylor, Vincent, Hugh and Trot. Other than Lito, Sheldon and Killa, there is no real youth on this defense to be excited about for the future. On offense there wasn't much to speak of except Thomas and Duce. Now Andrews and Westbrook are the only true future to this offense so as far as I'm concerned the offense is still roughly in the same place it was when Reid got here. I still love McNabb but for the first time since the Eagles drafted him, I really doubt whether or not he can lead this team to a SB. I do, however, have zero doubt that it will never be done with Reid at the helm.
Nice post. I'm at the point now where I'm wondering if McNabb can lead the team to a winning season again. And that hurts because he's such a great guy but without his mobility (which he refused to used because of his not wanting to be a running QB horse shtein) he's an average QB with a strong arm.
i know i sound like a broken record with this but the bottom line is reid is either unwilling or inable or both to bring in talented players on this team...outside of westbrook they dont have any playmaking talent on either side of the ball...its so vanilla its not even funny...and you combine that with his absolute inept coaching and you have a 4-12 team....until he goes gets used to what we are seeing now
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 12:26:47 AM
Aborted fetus > Parcells > MDS
True. But I'd still rather see any one of those 3 on the sidelines besides Reid.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 18, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
I've been thinking about the direction the Eagles have been heading since Reid took over as HC 8 years ago. Here's what I've come up with:
1. He inherited one of the worst offenses ever and made it an inconsistant, but sometimes high scoring offense.
2. He inherited a defense that was in it's infant stage of becoming a truly dominating defense but could never find that one missing piece that they were missing.
This team has now come full circle and is no better no than when he took over. In fact, it may be worse. When Reid took over the defense featured a healthy combo of youth and players in their prime like Dawk, Taylor, Vincent, Hugh and Trot. Other than Lito, Sheldon and Killa, there is no real youth on this defense to be excited about for the future. On offense there wasn't much to speak of except Thomas and Duce. Now Andrews and Westbrook are the only true future to this offense so as far as I'm concerned the offense is still roughly in the same place it was when Reid got here. I still love McNabb but for the first time since the Eagles drafted him, I really doubt whether or not he can lead this team to a SB. I do, however, have zero doubt that it will never be done with Reid at the helm.
Nice post. I'm at the point now where I'm wondering if McNabb can lead the team to a winning season again. And that hurts because he's such a great guy but without his mobility (which he refused to used because of his not wanting to be a running QB horse shtein) he's an average QB with a strong arm.
I used to love Mcnabb but I'm tired of his attitude towards Philadelphia fans, and I'm tired of him always playing the race card. I didn't see that HBO segment with him, but on the teaser he was pulling the race card again. How about you work on your touch...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
I've been thinking about the direction the Eagles have been heading since Reid took over as HC 8 years ago. Here's what I've come up with:
1. He inherited one of the worst offenses ever and made it an inconsistant, but sometimes high scoring offense.
2. He inherited a defense that was in it's infant stage of becoming a truly dominating defense but could never find that one missing piece that they were missing.
This team has now come full circle and is no better no than when he took over. In fact, it may be worse. When Reid took over the defense featured a healthy combo of youth and players in their prime like Dawk, Taylor, Vincent, Hugh and Trot. Other than Lito, Sheldon and Killa, there is no real youth on this defense to be excited about for the future. On offense there wasn't much to speak of except Thomas and Duce. Now Andrews and Westbrook are the only true future to this offense so as far as I'm concerned the offense is still roughly in the same place it was when Reid got here. I still love McNabb but for the first time since the Eagles drafted him, I really doubt whether or not he can lead this team to a SB. I do, however, have zero doubt that it will never be done with Reid at the helm.
agreed with everything.
reid gets a lot of credit for the turning the eagles around and developing mcnabb...which ill give him but no one points out how bad the nfc east and nfc overall has been since the 00s started. no one points out how reid has gotten out of his way to avoid talent at key positions like WR, LB, Safety or D line. sure we have drafted or signed players to replace LBs and D lineman but always undersized speed demons who always get blown up on tackles and always blocked. i mean to have a bad rush D one season is one thing. to have a bad rush D 2 yrs is troubling but for 9 yrs to have a bad rush D and not even attempt to fix it is beyond reason.
similarly on offense we tried just 2 seasons out of the 9 to fix the WR position. and both times it worked....one time we had to let TO go but the 2nd time it made no sense to let stallworth go.
i still believe if stallworth is here we score one TD at least in this game.
we wasted the prime of both dawkins and mcnabb. possible the two best players of the past 10 season for the eagles. and all because reid was too stubborn and wanted to win thru his system.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
I've been thinking about the direction the Eagles have been heading since Reid took over as HC 8 years ago. Here's what I've come up with:
1. He inherited one of the worst offenses ever and made it an inconsistant, but sometimes high scoring offense.
2. He inherited a defense that was in it's infant stage of becoming a truly dominating defense but could never find that one missing piece that they were missing.
This team has now come full circle and is no better no than when he took over. In fact, it may be worse. When Reid took over the defense featured a healthy combo of youth and players in their prime like Dawk, Taylor, Vincent, Hugh and Trot. Other than Lito, Sheldon and Killa, there is no real youth on this defense to be excited about for the future. On offense there wasn't much to speak of except Thomas and Duce. Now Andrews and Westbrook are the only true future to this offense so as far as I'm concerned the offense is still roughly in the same place it was when Reid got here. I still love McNabb but for the first time since the Eagles drafted him, I really doubt whether or not he can lead this team to a SB. I do, however, have zero doubt that it will never be done with Reid at the helm.
In defense of the defense....Gaither and Bunkley have both shown promise so far. Gaither last year AND this year...and Bunkley has looked good through two games so far.
I'm almost afriad that Reid will resign before the end of the season. In some ways, it just seems like his heart isn't in it anymore.
If he does, then I would assume the Morninwheg becomes "interim" coach, and Lurie and Banner would probably give him a "fair chance."
I want the Eagles to clear house when Reid does leave. Outside the organization. Not necessarily Cowher, but someone different.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
i know i sound like a broken record with this but the bottom line is reid is either unwilling or inable or both to bring in talented players on this team...outside of westbrook they dont have any playmaking talent on either side of the ball...its so vanilla its not even funny...and you combine that with his absolute inept coaching and you have a 4-12 team....until he goes gets used to what we are seeing now
and that westbrook pick was a lucky one at that.
what did the pats give up for moss? imagine if we had even offered a 1st round pick to oak for moss. better than trading it to dallas and drafting a backup qb to pressure mcnabb even more.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 18, 2007, 12:29:52 AM
no one points out how bad the nfc east and nfc overall has been since the 00s started. no one points out how reid has gotten out of his way to avoid talent at key positions like WR, LB, Safety or D line.
tell me this is a joke?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:30:21 AM
In some ways, it just seems like his heart isn't in it anymore.
I wish his heart wasn't in him anymore.
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I want the Eagles to clear house when Reid does leave. Outside the organization. Not necessarily Cowher, but someone different.
Echo? ;)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
I would prefer the next HC to be someone with no past within this organization. I don't want someone who's going to toe the company line. I want a complete outsider who wasn't groomed in any way, shape or form by the current administration.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 18, 2007, 12:29:52 AM
no one points out how bad the nfc east and nfc overall has been since the 00s started. no one points out how reid has gotten out of his way to avoid talent at key positions like WR, LB, Safety or D line.
tell me this is a joke?
I think he meant the media...
Dang it, I'm agreeing with igy, and now Sarge.
Somofabitch Andy Reid.
I'm saying right now that this team will go 6-10. Not good enough to garner any respect. Not bad enough to get a decent draft pick.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:37:38 AM
Dang it, I'm agreeing with igy, and now Sarge.
Somofabitch Andy Reid.
I knew you'd pull your head out of your ass eventually. IGY totally doubted you though.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:38:51 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:37:38 AM
Dang it, I'm agreeing with igy, and now Sarge.
Somofabitch Andy Reid.
I knew you'd pull your head out of your ass eventually. IGY totally doubted you though.
I was the one calling for 8-8 in the beginning of the season among all the calls for 10-6 and 11-5.
Who knew I was overestimating this team as well?
ive seen geo's dark side for a while now...he is infinitely more progressive than a wing or a pg....hes almost home and when he gets here papa will be waiting for him with open arms on the front porch
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs, but honestly, who cares? Not good enough to win a Superbowl so it doesn't even matter.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 12:38:32 AM
I'm saying right now that this team will go 6-10. Not good enough to garner any respect. Not bad enough to get a decent draft pick.
Just like the Sixers last year. Wooo!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:40:02 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 12:38:51 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:37:38 AM
Dang it, I'm agreeing with igy, and now Sarge.
Somofabitch Andy Reid.
I knew you'd pull your head out of your ass eventually. IGY totally doubted you though.
I was the one calling for 8-8 in the beginning of the season among all the calls for 10-6 and 11-5.
Who knew I was overestimating this team as well?
I didn't make a preseason prediction on this team because to be honest, there were too many question marks hanging over this team to make a legitimate prediction. An 11-5 prediction at the start of training camp was just as rediculous as a 5-11 prediction as far as I was concerned.
Of course, I'm getting a better picture now.
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs, but honestly, who cares? Not good enough to win a Superbowl so it doesn't even matter.
They'd better concentrate on winning a freaking game first.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:41:17 AM
ive seen geo's dark side for a while now...he is infinitely more progressive than a wing or a pg....hes almost home and when he gets here papa will be waiting for him with open arms on the front porch
With a 40 and some hot wings?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs, but honestly, who cares? Not good enough to win a Superbowl so it doesn't even matter.
They'd better concentrate on winning a freaking game first.
I agree.
With a 40 and some hot wings?
whoa...pump your brakes
im thinkin geo is a hummus and unsweetend iced tea guy
uncle buck can work on him tho
Quote from: bowzer on September 18, 2007, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
that time out he called tonight was manuel like
Andy the iceman. Ice a kicker in the first half on a chipshot in a 6-3 game.
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
win win really.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 18, 2007, 12:48:21 AM
Quote from: bowzer on September 18, 2007, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
that time out he called tonight was manuel like
Andy the iceman. Ice a kicker in the first half on a chipshot in a 6-3 game.
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
win win really.
ha! He would have been better served to just stick with the wasted time out alibi.
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
the fact that he consistenly has to spend large parts of his post game pressers explaining actions like this is more than enough to get him fired
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:53:46 AM
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
the fact that he consistenly has to spend large parts of his post game pressers explaining actions like this is more than enough to get him fired
Hahahaha so goddamned on point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:53:46 AM
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
the fact that he consistenly has to spend large parts of his post game pressers explaining actions like this is more than enough to get him fired
Everywhere but in Philadelphia apparently. Gold farging Standard!
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:47:21 AM
With a 40 and some hot wings?
whoa...pump your brakes
im thinkin geo is a hummus and unsweetend iced tea guy
uncle buck can work on him tho
I'll gladly down some hot wings. Don't do the alcohol, though. Diet-decaf Arizona Green Tea, since I'm too damn fat to have Coke anymore.
Yes. The diet decaf green tea will definately nullify any ill effects that deep fried hot wings would have on you.
the private stock i pour into his tea will nullify any well intended effects it has on him
i dont know why you guys are even talking about this. jeff lurie is madly in love with andy reid. he trusts him completely. the eagles are coming off a playoff season. so even if/when this season goes down the shteinter, there is no way andy is fired. none. the eagles need to pull 2 to 3 bad years in a row for lurie to contemplate this. the only chance reid is gone is if he steps down. and hes a stubborn guy who wont admit defeat. so hes not going to quit.
basically were stuck.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
Yes. The diet decaf green tea will definately nullify any ill effects that deep fried hot wings would have on you.
Totally!
Quote from: MDS on September 18, 2007, 01:15:40 AM
i dont know why you guys are even talking about this. jeff lurie is madly in love with andy reid. he trusts him completely. the eagles are coming off a playoff season. so even if/when this season goes down the shteinter, there is no way andy is fired. none. the eagles need to pull 2 to 3 bad years in a row for lurie to contemplate this. the only chance reid is gone is if he steps down. and hes a stubborn guy who wont admit defeat. so hes not going to quit.
basically were stuck.
theres a more than a decent chance reid resigns (is forced out) after this year if it turns into a total train wreck which is the direction its headed now
id doubt it. andy woulda quit already if he wanted to focus on his farg up kid.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:53:46 AM
he said on postgame he called it bc they only had 10 guys on the field. so instead of stupid timeout call, we get stupid coach who can't count to send 11 guys on a field.
the fact that he consistenly has to spend large parts of his post game pressers explaining actions like this is more than enough to get him fired
Dear God, yes...
And I'll even add to that by pointing out that he's had to do this in the
LAST 3 GAMES that he's coached.
"Andy, why would you punt in that situation?"
"Andy, how could you go into the season so unprepared at the punt returner position?"
"Andy, why would you try to "ice" a kicker on a chipshot FG in the 1st half?"
... farging clueless.
Running the ball to get to the redzone and then abandoning it once there, 4 times, is reason enough to be fired. how many more damn games do we have to sit through with this idiot at the helm??? i can't fargin take his pis poor playcalling anymore. the fargin taterskins!! i'll be surprised if they even get 5 wins this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 18, 2007, 12:29:52 AM
no one points out how bad the nfc east and nfc overall has been since the 00s started. no one points out how reid has gotten out of his way to avoid talent at key positions like WR, LB, Safety or D line.
tell me this is a joke?
i meant the media.
i pray that one of his sons goes ape shtein again, but this time kills Andy
Last night was Reid's chance to right the ship and outcoach a hall-of-famer.
He did not, and thus, he must be fired.
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs
Teams that start the season 0-2 have an 11% chance of making the playoffs. The Eagles were lucky enough to have went a few years ago when they started the season out by losing to the Pats and Bucs. I don't think they'll do it again this year
As genius as I am, I still can't predict the future
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 18, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs
Teams that start the season 0-2 have an 11% chance of making the playoffs. The Eagles were lucky enough to have went a few years ago when they started the season out by losing to the Pats and Bucs. I don't think they'll do it again this year
The difference is that that was a good team that had a breakdown game against the Bucs then had to go on the road against probably the best Pats team they had until this year. The fact they started off 0-2 was somewhat of an aberration. This team on the other hand blows.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on September 18, 2007, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 18, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 18, 2007, 12:41:47 AM
The NFC is still bad enough that this team can get it together and make the playoffs
Teams that start the season 0-2 have an 11% chance of making the playoffs. The Eagles were lucky enough to have went a few years ago when they started the season out by losing to the Pats and Bucs. I don't think they'll do it again this year
The difference is that that was a good team that had a breakdown game against the Bucs then had to go on the road against probably the best Pats team they had until this year. The fact they started off 0-2 was somewhat of an aberration. This team on the other hand blows.
Actually, both were home games when they started 0-2. Plus, the Eagles opened that season against the previous 2 teams to win the Super Bowl. This year they opened up against 2 teams who have a combined 4 winning seasons out of the last 10.
the biggest difference btwn the years is that in 03 the qb wasnt coming off mcl surgery
No, but he was coming off his broken leg. Of course, he did have more time to heal.
he had come back the previous year
mcl is a two year injury...a broken bone is a couple months....remember he played in the playoffs after the broken leg
He missed 8 games two years ago with a sports hernia yet looked great the first 2 months of last season. I dvr'd the game and decided to torture myself by watching it, he's moving around the pocket and rolling out fine, he's just not playing well. Also doesn't help that the WRs can't beat a jam and the O-line has been very average in pass protection.
You fools aren't remembering that McNabb was playing with a bum thumb on his throwing hand during that previous 0-2 start. He really didn't round into form until week 5 or 6 that year.
that was a ghost injury created by the front office to take heat off donovan...remember there was no mention of any injury until after the new england game when everyone was calling for him to be benched...then all of a sudden hes got a bum thumb...
he just sucked...really he was pretty bad that whole year
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 03:13:09 PM
he just sucked...really he was pretty bad that whole year
I blamed that more on his WRs then his play - except early on when he was downright pathetic.
Right now its on him.
The Bucs sucked that year if anyone can remember. The Patriots were good obviously.
Does it look like the Eagles will make the playoffs now? Hell no. Nothing has shown they are good enough yet. But the Eagles looked equally bad last season against the Jags and Titans and they still made it. Anything can happen in a weak NFC.
After waiting 6 months for this season to start, I can't give up on it after 2 games.
I like to vomit vomit (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=13966)
As steve young pointed out mcnabb isnt putting pressure on his leg when he throws. He's trying to throw with all arm, and thats why his accuracy sucks ass
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 19, 2007, 10:28:20 AM
As steve young pointed out mcnabb isnt putting pressure on his leg when he throws. He's trying to throw with all arm, and thats why his accuracy sucks ass
His accuracy isn't all that great when he is healthy and not favoring his leg anyway, but it's seriously been non-NFL caliber.
Yep.
McNabb has never been that accurate in the first place. Now he's just so erratic it's like he's playing Jackpot in his backyard.
Black Russian Roulette!
I had to find a way to inject race into this discussion, since McNabb enjoys that so much.
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Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 10:34:43 AM
Black Russian Roulette!
I had to find a way to inject race into this discussion, since McNabb enjoys that so much.
Found this article to be pretty good. Never heard of the guy who wrote it:
Quote
McNabb pulling the race card? How ironic ... and ridiculous
Sep. 18, 2007
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
Black quarterbacks look the same to me. Every last one looks like a guy who should be playing running back. Or defensive back. Or receiver. They look like anything but a quarterback, which used to be an all-white position and should have stayed that way.
Right, Donovan McNabb? That's what you think I'm thinking. That's what you think lots of people are thinking. We don't like black quarterbacks -- never have, never will. So implies McNabb, who went on HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel on Tuesday night and slapped the race card on the table.
The Eagles' McNabb said: "There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra. ... Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play this position, is low, so we do a little extra."
And McNabb said: "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven (and critics say), 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this.' "
And of white Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning, McNabb said: "Let me start by saying I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."
Granted, McNabb has reasons to be bitter. He plays in a vicious sports city where some of the dumber citizens have probably said racist things to him over the years. He was once attacked clumsily by Rush Limbaugh, who said McNabb was overrated but protected by media that "has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
Limbaugh is the living, breathing, lying, painkilling proof of the difference between sounding smart and being smart. He talks fast and uses big words and can lead a group of lemmings over a cliff more effectively than George Wallace ever could.
But Limbaugh isn't smart. Can't be. To say what he said about McNabb in 2003, when McNabb was a dominant quarterback, was stupid. Limbaugh paid for it by losing his side gig with ESPN. America -- black America, white America, our America -- didn't tolerate his racial stupidity.
So why are we going to tolerate racial stupidity coming now from McNabb? Toleration in the name of entertainment allowed racist blowhards like Limbaugh and Don Imus to spew invective over the airwaves. But toleration in the name of political correctness has allowed white-bashing demagogues like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Sr. to inflame racially sensitive cases like the ones starring Tawana Brawley and Duke lacrosse.
You go ahead -- tolerate McNabb's comments. Or be like my colleague Mike Freeman and embrace McNabb's social commentary. Me, I'm calling McNabb on it. I'm calling it stupid. I'm calling it intellectually lazy. And I'm calling it cowardly.
His career is sinking, and instead of facing it head on, he pulled out that big, ugly race card and tried to hide his decade-worst 68.8 passer rating behind it.
McNabb is myopic. He thinks he has it rough? Try being Rex Grossman, the quarterback of the Chicago Bears, who gets ripped even as he is leading the Bears to the Super Bowl. The next two most critiqued quarterbacks in the NFL are probably the Jets' Chad Pennington and the Giants' Eli Manning. All three are white.
McNabb? He's old and fading, and judging from his HBO appearance, he's not taking it very well. In his own city, columnist John Smallwood called out McNabb in the Philadelphia Daily News on Tuesday. McNabb, Smallwood wrote, "is like a batter with warning-track power." The old McNabb "is gone." This McNabb "looks bad."
Will McNabb call Smallwood a racist? That would be ironic. Smallwood is black.
McNabb? He's weak. He says black quarterbacks have it rougher than white quarterbacks, and he says it in a way that makes my skin crawl: "They don't get criticized as much as we do."
Lovely. How nice and segregating. And how ridiculous. If it's so much more difficult being a black quarterback than a white one -- please stop chuckling, Grossman -- McNabb has to give us examples. Don't just sit there and say that nonsense with a smirk and assume we're going to nod along, because lots of us won't. Not any more.
Enough is enough. This isn't the 1970s, when Tony Dungy was moved to defensive back without getting a chance behind center, and when Warren Moon was having to start his Hall of Fame career in Canada.
This is 2007, and NFL teams and their fans just want to win. In Oakland, the Raiders have a white starting quarterback, Josh McCown, but a fan base that would prefer Daunte Culpepper or JaMarcus Russell, both black. The Raiders drafted Russell No. 1 overall instead of the other quarterback who ended his senior season presumed to be the likely first pick, Brady Quinn.
How far has the NFL come? The three cities with the largest redneck population -- I'm from Mississippi; I'm allowed -- employ black quarterbacks: In Jacksonville, the Jaguars had three black quarterbacks until releasing Byron Leftwich a few weeks ago. In Nashville, Vince Young is the franchise. And in Atlanta, the Falcons gave Michael Vick the biggest contract in NFL history and stood by him through several embarrassing off-field mistakes until he was charged with felony dogfighting. Joey Harrington replaced Vick, but on Tuesday the Falcons brought in Leftwich to compete for the starting job.
Teams no longer care about skin color. It's all about wins and losses, and if there's one color that transcends all others, it's green. In 2004, three of the four biggest contracts in the NFL went to black quarterbacks.
McNabb came in second at $115 million.
Must be awful to be that guy.
it's pretty ironic that Donovan got mad at Rush and then did the exact same thing he did a few years later
Where McNabb's concerned it's the politics of blame and it's nauseating beyond words.
I couldn't care less what skin color that bitch is. I just want to celebrate a Super Bowl win. If McNabb can't lead me there as a fan, then get someone who can. Except a chinaman, of course. I hate them.
Quote from: hunt on September 19, 2007, 10:36:56 AM
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That is spot-on.
Great article by Gregg Doyel... one of the best I've read. Bottom line is that McNabb's criticism has always had everything to do with the following:
1. health
2. accuracy
3. downfield vision
4. coach's playcalling
5. competitive nature / desire to win
...and nothing to do with the following:
1. he's Black
McNabb is a weak-minded (and weak-stomached and weak-kneed) person and quarterback, and I no longer want him playing for my favorite team.
That's right. I was on the fence about him and Reid after week 1. After Reid's game management and Donovan's performance against the skins (and slightly in part to yet another racial ado stirred by McNabb), I've pulled a JR Reed (sans injury) and am definitely on the other side of the fence to stay.
Reid and McNabb need to go, now. Time for a new era.
mcnabb is just a pathetic weak person....one of the biggest bitches ive ever seen in sports...been saying it for years the magic words that people always rip me for "intestinal fortitude"...the guy has none...hes still to this day never gotten over the draft booing
and now like doyle says his career is coming to the end his team drafted his replacement and hes struggling mightily right now...and what really scares him the fear that every one of his critics is about to be right in terms of mcnabb being a good qb but not good enough to win a superbowl...its coming down to a we told you so thing...and we know how stubborn and small willed the mcnabb family is...they dont wanna be wrong and all the critics right...so instead of bucking up and taking these things head on he resorts to some bitch shtein bashing the philly fans again...
race has nothing to do with this...he knows there is no overriding race issue with him its just another way to attack the eagles fans who he believes have been too rough on him from day one
Outstanding article.
I said this earlier this week when I read McNabb's comments, but I'll reiterate now. In the past 3 years I've gone from absurd McNabb fan, to McNabb critic, to now thanks to his half-assed racial diatribe being a McNabb hater. farg that guy. Get him the farg out of town and away from this team.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
I've pulled a JR Reed
I think it's debateable as to whether or not Reed ever made it to the other side of the fence.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 11:11:11 AM
race has nothing to do with this...he knows there is no overriding race issue
I just fell back in love with you. Let's spoon.
Quote from: PPinDC on September 19, 2007, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
I've pulled a JR Reed
I think it's debateable as to whether or not Reed ever made it to the other side of the fence.
He made it, but without a key nerve in his leg.
I just fell back in love with you. Let's spoon.
dont
your racial attitudes are ten times more awful than mcnabbs ever will be
the fact that you get an immense amount of pleasure over mei disagreeing with a black person who is making faulty claims of racism is disgusting
go stick your head in a hood and never again lump me and you together on anything
This mating dance is sexy.
i have a half a chub and am working it with the left hand
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
Great article by Gregg Doyel... one of the best I've read. Bottom line is that McNabb's criticism has always had everything to do with the following:
1. health
2. accuracy
3. downfield vision
4. coach's playcalling
5. competitive nature / desire to win
One of them is perception...not fact.
Then is only 2 of them he can do anything about. Which until these last two games...has done that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 11:23:45 AM
the fact that you get an immense amount of pleasure over mei disagreeing with a black person who is making faulty claims of racism is disgusting
Hey, it's nice than an overblown asshat like yourself that fancies himself a champion of the black people's plight can even see that McNabb is making something out of nothing. It could very well mean you're making progress as a person and understanding that the racial divides in this country isn't as simple as mean old whitey beating down the Black people. That said, after your response, it's obvious that your dislike of McNabb is forcing you to put aside one of the two things you believe most in... the race card or McNabb's lack of intestinal fortitude. Still, I applaud you for making the correct decision.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
i have a half a chub and am working it with the left hand
If you sit on it first, you can call it "the stranger".
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
Great article by Gregg Doyel... one of the best I've read. Bottom line is that McNabb's criticism has always had everything to do with the following:
1. health
2. accuracy
3. downfield vision
4. coach's playcalling
5. competitive nature / desire to win
One of them is perception...not fact.
Then is only 2 of them he can do anything about.
I'm guessing you're saying #5 is perception, super-homer. You're obviously wrong. Also, he could certainly do something about all of the above, not just #2 and #3 as you are claiming. In fact, he can actually do more about #4 than #1, IMO, since Reid wants to have some beautiful McNabb poop babies. You don't think Reid would run the ball more if McNabb told him he actually wanted to do so? Wrong. I'm sure McNabb is completely on-board with passing 70% of the time. That way, he can still lead the league in completions when he completes less than 50% of his passes, and he can argue he's not making the Pro Bowl or getting his adequate props.
FWIW, Mcvadge walked out on his press conference today :-D
once again igy is four years ahead of the game
where are the haters now? ::)
optimism spin:
rb: westbrook
oline: andrew, herremans, jackson
dline: cole, patterson, bunk
lb: gaither
cb: lito, sheldon
ok, so its not like they have to rebuild at every position.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 19, 2007, 04:22:14 PM
FWIW, Mcvadge walked out on his press conference today
Wow. More details please. Has he completely lost it or what?
wow. everything being blown waaaaay out of proportion again. gotta love the media. getting out of philly would be the best thing for mcnabb and the worst possible thing for the team.
farg that McNabb is an idiot and his time is up. Get him the farg gone.
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 05:07:42 PM
wow. everything being blown waaaaay out of proportion again. gotta love the media. getting out of philly would be the best thing for mcnabb and the worst possible thing for the team.
you just dont get it. if mcnabb walks out on a press conference where they keep talking about a HBO interview and blowing it way out of proportion than this means his career is over and hes done in philly. yup must be it.
i cant wait for the days of kolb and when we go 3-13 and everyone is happier because at least we dont have a black qb who might feel added pressure as a black qb.
Can't wait for McNabb to win a SB while playing for a real coach in some other city and everyone will commiserate about how bad he had it in Philly where they booed his drafting and should all kill themselves accordingly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 04:37:53 PM
once again igy is four years ahead of the game
where are the haters now? ::)
what were you ahead of? calling mcnabb soft? youve been saying that even when mcnabb has been good and played thru tought injury. last your before the dallas game you said something about mcnabb not taking the dallas game seriously and callin it just another game. you called him out for it and said he wouldnt be able to beat dallas. yet he did and you went back to your "ill keep saying it and if it finally comes true yrs down the road ill look cool"....cept i still dont see how this comment about black qbs proves anything you have been saying.
mcnabb just has not been black enough for you and thats been your problem with him. hes carlton and you wanted the fresh prince...wait no you wanted 50 cent.
Quote from: Phanatic on September 19, 2007, 06:34:39 PM
Can't wait for McNabb to win a SB while playing for a real coach in some other city and everyone will commiserate about how bad he had it in Philly where they booed his drafting and should all kill themselves accordingly.
Trade him to the Bears for a second round pick with a condition it could become a first rounder if he doesn't whine once the entire season.
mcnabb just has not been black enough for you and thats been your problem with him. hes carlton and you wanted the fresh prince...wait no you wanted 50 cent.
actually i want tom brady
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
mcnabb just has not been black enough for you and thats been your problem with him. hes carlton and you wanted the fresh prince...wait no you wanted 50 cent.
:-D :-D
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2007, 04:58:56 PM
cb: lito
Nope. farg him. Always farging injured.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 08:18:29 PM
actually i want tom brady
Brady to Avant makes me want to toss, for collegiate reasons.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 05:07:42 PM
wow. everything being blown waaaaay out of proportion again. gotta love the media. getting out of philly would be the best thing for mcnabb and the worst possible thing for the team.
you just dont get it. if mcnabb walks out on a press conference where they keep talking about a HBO interview and blowing it way out of proportion than this means his career is over and hes done in philly. yup must be it.
i cant wait for the days of kolb and when we go 3-13 and everyone is happier because at least we dont have a black qb who might feel added pressure as a black qb.
that was my point retard
youll have to excuse him mussa he cant hear you cause his head is up donovans ass
Sounds like a delightful place to be after all the Chunky Soup he's eaten.
it's fine, his mommy keeps it nice and clean
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 08:51:40 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 05:07:42 PM
wow. everything being blown waaaaay out of proportion again. gotta love the media. getting out of philly would be the best thing for mcnabb and the worst possible thing for the team.
you just dont get it. if mcnabb walks out on a press conference where they keep talking about a HBO interview and blowing it way out of proportion than this means his career is over and hes done in philly. yup must be it.
i cant wait for the days of kolb and when we go 3-13 and everyone is happier because at least we dont have a black qb who might feel added pressure as a black qb.
that was my point retard
lol i know...i was being sarcastic but i guess im about as funny as mcnabbs jokes.
my point was that ppl are not seeing it as you are but rather calling this the end of his career or at least in philly.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 08:51:40 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2007, 05:07:42 PM
wow. everything being blown waaaaay out of proportion again. gotta love the media. getting out of philly would be the best thing for mcnabb and the worst possible thing for the team.
you just dont get it. if mcnabb walks out on a press conference where they keep talking about a HBO interview and blowing it way out of proportion than this means his career is over and hes done in philly. yup must be it.
i cant wait for the days of kolb and when we go 3-13 and everyone is happier because at least we dont have a black qb who might feel added pressure as a black qb.
that was my point retard
lol i know...i was being sarcastic but i guess im about as funny as mcnabbs jokes.
my point was that ppl are not seeing it as you are but rather calling this the end of his career or at least in philly.
You two, like the title of this thread, are correct.
His career has plenty of time left to it. I just don't want him in Philly anymore. I can't root for a farging whiner. Wah wah wah. farging baby.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 19, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
His career has plenty of time left to it. I just don't want him in Philly anymore. I can't root for a farging whiner. Wah wah wah. farging baby.
Ha - ironic
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 19, 2007, 10:24:58 PM
Ha - ironic
I keep waiting for that car in your avatar to blow up... It's disappointing me.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 19, 2007, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 19, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
His career has plenty of time left to it. I just don't want him in Philly anymore. I can't root for a farging whiner. Wah wah wah. farging baby.
Ha - ironic
Haha :-D
What am I whining about again? Every time anyone complains about this team the PG-Crew come out and say they're whiners. Comparing what I'm doing (pointing out things I don't like about a football team) to what McNabb is doing (bitching about how hard it is to be a multi-millionaire athlete and bringing up shtein that happened 9 years ago that is farging dead and gone) is really stretching it.
But hey, you got a laugh out of Munson. So nice work.
It goes both ways, any time someone says something positive about the eagles...they are a homer. If you complain, you're a whiner.
Live it. Love it.
Wrong.
You're an idiot if you're not complaining at this point.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 19, 2007, 09:10:12 PM
Sounds like a delightful place to be after all the Chunky Soup he's eaten.
That stuff's probably better on the way out.
Anyway you slice it McNabb is done in this city. I don't forsee him lasting past this offseason and there is a slight, very slight, outside chance he's gone this season.
McNabb's skin is so thin that he can't get over things that happened almost 10 years ago. It's funny how a group of what, 30 fans?, get lumped in with the entire fan base. His thoughts on the Rush Limbaugh ordeal will not go away. Rush is a fat, piece of shtein racist. Most people know that. Donovan just likes to continually think about it for some reason.
And while I'm at it. I get sick of people saying McNabb never got a fair shake in this city. That's complete and utter bullshtein. He was overrated for a long time by the media and the fans. The truth of the matter is... Donnie did this to himself. Not the fans.
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:12:33 AM
Anyway you slice it McNabb is done in this city. I don't forsee him lasting past this offseason and there is a slight, very slight, outside chance he's gone this season.
McNabb's skin is so thin that he can't get over things that happened almost 10 years ago. It's funny how a group of what, 30 fans?, get lumped in with the entire fan base. His thoughts on the Rush Limbaugh ordeal will not go away. Rush is a fat, piece of shtein racist. Most people know that. Donovan just likes to continually think about it for some reason.
And while I'm at it. I get sick of people saying McNabb never got a fair shake in this city. That's complete and utter bullshtein. He was overrated for a long time by the media and the fans. The truth of the matter is... Donnie did this to himself. Not the fans.
Yes. I hope so.
Yes. I know, hilarious. Seriously, what a Hoyda.
Exactly. Exactly. Yes.
Post of the Year nominee.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:12:33 AM
Anyway you slice it McNabb is done in this city. I don't forsee him lasting past this offseason and there is a slight, very slight, outside chance he's gone this season.
McNabb's skin is so thin that he can't get over things that happened almost 10 years ago. It's funny how a group of what, 30 fans?, get lumped in with the entire fan base. His thoughts on the Rush Limbaugh ordeal will not go away. Rush is a fat, piece of shtein racist. Most people know that. Donovan just likes to continually think about it for some reason.
And while I'm at it. I get sick of people saying McNabb never got a fair shake in this city. That's complete and utter bullshtein. He was overrated for a long time by the media and the fans. The truth of the matter is... Donnie did this to himself. Not the fans.
Yes. I hope so.
Yes. I know, hilarious. Seriously, what a Hoyda.
Exactly. Exactly. Yes.
Post of the Year nominee.
Damn.. I was hoping you'd call me a racist
No doubt, McNabb is the best QB in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles.
No doubt, his relationship with the fans has been murky from day one.
No doubt, this team is far from being an elite contender at this time.
No doubt, McNabb can still be a quality QB when he fully recovers.
No doubt, it is time for a change. Both for the Eagles and for McNabb.
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:17:35 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:12:33 AM
Anyway you slice it McNabb is done in this city. I don't forsee him lasting past this offseason and there is a slight, very slight, outside chance he's gone this season.
McNabb's skin is so thin that he can't get over things that happened almost 10 years ago. It's funny how a group of what, 30 fans?, get lumped in with the entire fan base. His thoughts on the Rush Limbaugh ordeal will not go away. Rush is a fat, piece of shtein racist. Most people know that. Donovan just likes to continually think about it for some reason.
And while I'm at it. I get sick of people saying McNabb never got a fair shake in this city. That's complete and utter bullshtein. He was overrated for a long time by the media and the fans. The truth of the matter is... Donnie did this to himself. Not the fans.
Yes. I hope so.
Yes. I know, hilarious. Seriously, what a Hoyda.
Exactly. Exactly. Yes.
Post of the Year nominee.
Damn.. I was hoping you'd call me a racist
you have to understand that ff is in hog heaven right now with a black guy gettin ripped for making racial comments
in his warped mind anything that makes the black qb look bad in this situation in turn makes people like rush limbaugh look better...and that makes ff very happy
thus your post of the year nomination
No Doubt, i want to bang Gwen Stefani
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:17:35 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 08:12:33 AM
Anyway you slice it McNabb is done in this city. I don't forsee him lasting past this offseason and there is a slight, very slight, outside chance he's gone this season.
McNabb's skin is so thin that he can't get over things that happened almost 10 years ago. It's funny how a group of what, 30 fans?, get lumped in with the entire fan base. His thoughts on the Rush Limbaugh ordeal will not go away. Rush is a fat, piece of shtein racist. Most people know that. Donovan just likes to continually think about it for some reason.
And while I'm at it. I get sick of people saying McNabb never got a fair shake in this city. That's complete and utter bullshtein. He was overrated for a long time by the media and the fans. The truth of the matter is... Donnie did this to himself. Not the fans.
Yes. I hope so.
Yes. I know, hilarious. Seriously, what a Hoyda.
Exactly. Exactly. Yes.
Post of the Year nominee.
Damn.. I was hoping you'd call me a racist
you have to understand that ff is in hog heaven right now with a black guy gettin ripped for making racial comments
in his warped mind anything that makes the black qb look bad in this situation in turn makes people like rush limbaugh look better...and that makes ff very happy
thus your post of the year nomination
It's hilarious how even when he's agreeing with you, you can't stand to try and get along with the guy. The internets are serious business!
sorry...i dont like right wing zealouts
and hes not agreeing with anyone...he has an agenda here
Also, I forgot to mention Andy is fat. Fat as hell.
And a bad father!
i've recently decided to start kicking old ladies in the face...i feel this is a prudent decision for me at this point in my life.
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
i've recently decided to start kicking old ladies in the face...i feel this is a prudent decision for me at this point in my life.
tammy reid first plz
my foot would bounce off of her snare drum face
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
i've recently decided to start kicking old ladies in the face...i feel this is a prudent decision for me at this point in my life.
Real men fist rape old ladies you weak ass bitch.
i only mentioned the kicking...i never said where my fists would be
That's hawt.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
i've recently decided to start kicking old ladies in the face...i feel this is a prudent decision for me at this point in my life.
Real men fist rape old ladies you weak ass bitch.
74 year old Hatboro woman raped (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5663913) damn Romey, true to your word
Dear IGY,
If you were any more full of pompous and rotten shtein, your waistline would rival Andy Reid's.
Agenda? Sure. My agenda is that idiots like you, Rush Limbaugh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Donovan McNabb, and the KKK are furthering and magnifying the racial divide in our country.
I just hope the day comes before armageddon that the racial mixtures in the American people's DNA are so blurred that those of you who make something out of nothing, either in the name of "peace" or in the name of hate, have absolutely no argument to continue your ways.
Love,
FF
P.S. Go farg yourself, whitebread.
cool... I can post from my phone... just not very well apparently.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 09:53:31 AM
I just hope the day comes before armageddon that the racial mixtures in the American people's DNA are so blurred
hope schmope
dirtying pure aryan blood is actually your worst nightmare
You're more "aryan" than me, big guy. You're also completely wrong, but hey, I know it helps you sleep at night that you're doing everything you can to better the world for the "black" man.
Keep on keepin' on, cracker.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 09:48:06 AM
74 year old Hatboro woman raped (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5663913) damn Romey, true to your word
That happened directly across the street from my brother's house. Creepy kind of shtein.
Quote from: PPinDC on September 20, 2007, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 09:48:06 AM
74 year old Hatboro woman raped (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5663913) damn Romey, true to your word
QuoteThat happened directly across the street from my brother's house. Creepy kind of shtein.
They said it was a drunk mexican
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:46:42 AM
They said it was a drunk mexican
Isn't it always? Either that or one of them blacks.
Quote from: PPinDC on September 20, 2007, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:46:42 AM
They said it was a drunk mexican
Isn't it always? Either that or one of them blacks.
them frisbee wearing whiteys are always behind it all
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 07:34:42 AM
What am I whining about again? Every time anyone complains about this team the PG-Crew come out and say they're whiners. Comparing what I'm doing (pointing out things I don't like about a football team) to what McNabb is doing (bitching about how hard it is to be a multi-millionaire athlete and bringing up shtein that happened 9 years ago that is farging dead and gone) is really stretching it.
But hey, you got a laugh out of Munson. So nice work.
Just jokes, but hey, it got me to laugh and that's the important thing.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2007, 10:46:42 AM
They said it was a drunk mexican
Der tryin to take ur job.....
I was half asleep watching CSN and I'm pretty sure they were talking about Reid and how he's not going to increase Westbrook's touches because he got around 25 and that's perfect. That makes perfect sense. Since Westbrook got 20+ touches, we must immediately stop running the ball. It's not like we drafted a running back in the 3rd round this year, or have another back that did well last year when needed.
Silly, he's busy riding the pine so that Scott Young can dress for the game.
QuoteGRUDEN EYEING EAGLES JOB?
We temporarily interrupt the current Philly love-fest for its pro football team to perpetuate a rumor making the rounds regarding the potential future of the franchise.
At a time when some Internet hack has done everything he can to stir up rumors of Bucs coach Jon Gruden landing in South Bend after the 2007 season, we're hearing that Gruden continues to eyeball the Eagles job -- since it's regarded in league circles as a 50-50 proposition that current coach Andy Reid will resign in January.
Gruden served as the offensive coordinator in Philly from 1995 through 1997 before becoming head coach of the Raiders.
Though the turmoil surrounding the team seems like a fading memory after Sunday's 56-21 shellacking of the Lions, it could return very quickly if the Eagles lose on Sunday night to the Giants, who also are showing signs of life after a disastrous 0-2 start.
Even with Sunday's stellar performance, it still could be a long season for the Eagles. The Lions were overrated, and the Eagles were arguably due to have a big day. With 13 more games to go, a lot can still happen.
And with the Cowboys putting the rest of the conference on notice that it's for real after doing to the defending NFC champs in an early-season Sunday nighter at Soldier Field the same thing that the Bears did nearly a year ago to the defending NFC champs a year ago in an early-season Sunday nighter at Soldier Field, a repeat of last year's division title currently looks like it will be a steep uphill climb.
So if there is no division title or, even worse, if there is no playoff appearance at all, the chances of Reid calling it quits will potentially increase. Conversely, if the 2-1 Bucs (who have spanked the Saints and Rams in consecutive weeks) can bogart one of the six seats at the postseason table, Gruden will rejoin the short list of hot NFL coaches.
With such a potential development coming at the end of a season in which Gruden was widely believed to be on the hot seat, it's not a stretch (in our view) to think that Gruden will look for a way out of town. Regardless of what he eventually might do, it's definitely a story line worth monitoring as the 2007 season continues to unfold.
No.
not sure if gruden would be my first choice but id take him over andy by ten miles
as long as you don't let him pick any players...IN
Well, Gru-dog did get the Bucs over the hump. I'd take 3 or 4 6-10 seasons after a SB win...
50-50 propisition that reid may retire at the end of the season? first ive heard of it....but good if true.
but im not sure if i want gruden.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 24, 2007, 11:36:37 AM
50-50 propisition that reid may retire at the end of the season? first ive heard of it
that cause no one has heard it...its a rumor from a worthless website
what site is it from?
PFT
PFT! ::)
jokes are funnier when douches dont follow them up with why they are funny
hahahaha
yes to gruden.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:32:48 PM
jokes are funnier when douches dont follow them up with why they are funny
Your crotch was funnier before you had the doctor manufacture you a penis.
I would take Gruden in a heartbeat. Or Jeff Fisher. Or Bill Cowher. Or IGY. Or literally anyone who doesn't suckle at the Donovan McNabb teat.
I'd take Gruden in a second over the fat man.
vaginas are hilarious.
This Gruden story pops up ever year, and is started by the same source.
Not happening.
Next.
I can see Gruden getting Buddy-like admiration in Philly if he gets the Eagles anywhere near the Super Bowl. He has the personality which is completely absent in Andy Reid.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 24, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
I can see Gruden getting Buddy-like admiration in Philly if he gets the Eagles anywhere near the Super Bowl. He has the personality which is completely absent in Andy Reid.
Plus, Gruden himself is the drunk, which is much more fun than Reid's kids.
If Reid gives the playcalling to Marty and Marty sticks to the offense we ran yesterday, keep Reid. If they fall back into a pass happy offense, fire the fat basterd. I dn't care who they bring in. If they understand football in the most basic ways, then they can win games with the players we have.
Quote from: mussa on September 24, 2007, 02:34:23 PM
If Reid gives the playcalling to Marty and Marty sticks to the offense we ran yesterday, keep Reid. If they fall back into a pass happy offense, fire the fat basterd. I dn't care who they bring in. If they understand football in the most basic ways, then they can win games with the players we have.
You do realize Marty is calling the plays even when they pass 3 times in a row, right?
I don't think that is correct. I believe Andy is calling the plays again this year.
Gruden brought a team that Dungy built to a SB. Screw that bastich. Plus I remember not liking him very much when he left here the first time for some reason. I don't even remember the reason really. Just can't let it go. farg him!
I'm not sure who the hell is calling plays anymore. the announcers yesterday were saying marty was calling them. its so inconsistent i can't keep track. just stick to what gives you wins please
By the way, yesterday 28 runs not including Mcnabb or Kolb scrambles/sacks and only 26 passes. Reid sucks because it always takes him till week 3 or 4 to figure that out
im not complaining about yesterday because i think it was a great game plan but its funny to me that the eagles won by 35 and were up by 21 at half yet they still were only at 50% run pass
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 03:59:03 PM
im not complaining about yesterday because i think it was a great game plan but its funny to me that the eagles won by 35 and were up by 21 at half yet they still were only at 50% run pass
i wanted to see more Buck and Tony Hunt just grinding it out
exactly, they passed too much in 2nd half. i remember a 3 and out somewhere in 3rd or 4th, all passes and they were up by plenty. wtf, they should of ran the clock out more with pounding the ball.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 24, 2007, 04:02:48 PM
i wanted to see more Buck and Tony Hunt just grinding it out
you wanted to see them get in there and compete?
Quote from: SunMo on September 24, 2007, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 24, 2007, 04:02:48 PM
i wanted to see more Buck and Tony Hunt just grinding it out
you wanted to see them get in there and compete?
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in reids defense the detroit secondary was so unbelievably bad that you can somewhat defend passing as much as he did in the 2nd half...
i just hope he doesnt forget games like the giants opener last year where they got burned by it
Well, the only thing worse than the Lions secondary is the Giants. Expect a lot of throws on Sunday night.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 24, 2007, 06:34:24 PM
Well, the only thing worse than the Lions secondary is the Giants. Expect a lot of throws on Sunday night.
Based on the first two games, I'm not sure the Saints even have a secondary. I think they just have a line and a couple of linebackers. I'll have to check it out tonight.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 24, 2007, 06:34:24 PM
Well, the only thing worse than the Lions secondary is the Giants. Expect a lot of throws on Sunday night.
the only hope is reid realizes the run helped set up the exploitation of the awful lions 2ndary. i know he will be tempted to come out and throw and throw. maybe even the surprisingly not surprising flea flicker to reggie brown but gotta hope he uses the run to set up the pass and not the other way around.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 04:11:03 PM
in reids defense the detroit secondary was so unbelievably bad that you can somewhat defend passing as much as he did in the 2nd half...
In the 3rd qtr, yes. To start the 4th, ok I'll buy it. But when the Eagles are up by 28 points with 6 minutes left and McNabb is still throwing the ball (agressively down field) then there is no defending that. Buck and Hunt should have finished the game with as many carries as Westbrook and Kolb shouldn't have done anything other than hand the ball off.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
Buck and Hunt should have finished the game with as many carries as Westbrook and Kolb shouldn't have done anything other than hand the ball off.
Really, why was Kolb passing so late in the game when he was in there to run out the clock? Go figure.
And yes, I'd take Gruden.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 04:11:03 PM
in reids defense the detroit secondary was so unbelievably bad that you can somewhat defend passing as much as he did in the 2nd half...
In the 3rd qtr, yes. To start the 4th, ok I'll buy it. But when the Eagles are up by 28 points with 6 minutes left and McNabb is still throwing the ball (agressively down field) then there is no defending that. Buck and Hunt should have finished the game with as many carries as Westbrook and Kolb shouldn't have done anything other than hand the ball off.
edit...i meant to quote shorebird
They called those two passes to try and get Curtis the Eagle record...he needed 16 yards.
Oh. Didn't know that.
who has the current record?
I would happily take Gruden.
I deleted all the other shtein I was gonna post because really, who cares.
Quote from: SunMo on September 24, 2007, 09:57:59 PM
who has the current record?
Tommy McDonald 12/10/61 vs Giants. 237yds.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 24, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
They called those two passes to try and get Curtis the Eagle record...he needed 16 yards.
That's all well and good but at that point in the game I don't give a shtein about records and no one on the sidelines should either. When you are up by that much, that late in the game you run the farging ball to (a) kill the clock and (b) not embarrass your opponent any more than they already are.
Had the situation been reversed and another team was doing that to the Eagles we'd all be talking about how pathetic the Lions coaching staff was to keep throwing the ball just so a player can break a record.
It's a damn good thing Kolb didn't get any passes out to Curtis because if I'm on the Lions defense and I've had my ass handed to me all day and the opponent is still throwing the ball and a pass gets completed, I'm taking a massive cheap shot on whoever catches the ball with the intent to maim just to send a message. Pathetic logic by the Eagles coaching staff.........not that that comes as a surprise to me though.
i'd rather a HOFer have the record anyway, not some member of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir
What kind of cheese would you like with that whine?
Fromunda
Good choice
Suck it
Quote from: SunMo on September 24, 2007, 10:17:25 PM
i'd rather a HOFer have the record anyway, not some member of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir
That too.
Quote from: SunMo on September 24, 2007, 10:17:25 PM
i'd rather a HOFer have the record anyway, not some member of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir
I couldn't help but laugh at that.
don't fight it, just let it happen
I think he did.
i was speaking for future reference
bob grotz of the delco times is saying there are rumors that bill parcells might replace andy reid next year....and in general he thinks theres a good chance reid steps down after this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2007, 08:43:16 AM
bob grotz of the delco times is saying there are rumors that bill parcells might replace andy reid next year....and in general he thinks theres a good chance reid steps down after this year
It would be prudent for him to do so.
Maybe if he tells the team this is their last shot before a new system comes in, they'll actually step up. Ha. I wish.
I just can't see Lurie hiring Parcells. Why bring a guy in with a 2-3 year shelf life when you're trying to rebuild? That is... unless he plans on keeping McNabb around and trying to get over the hump.
one of the things grotz questioned about the rumor is that he thought banner and parcells would clash...he said in the last couple years banner has gotten more powerful than ever in the front office and is carrying a jerry jones/dan snyder like attitude around...and that reid is def subserviant to banner and lurie which they love (of course) and that a guy like parcells wouldnt play that
That's surprising - I thought there was a pretty clear delineation of responsibility: Reid decides who he wants, Banner decides how much they get paid. Still - this basically gives Banner veto power, but I thought Andy got the final word. When Andy got the VP title I thought they made the point that Banner was lateral to or slightly below Reid.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
one of the things grotz questioned about the rumor is that he thought banner and parcells would clash...he said in the last couple years banner has gotten more powerful than ever in the front office and is carrying a jerry jones/dan snyder like attitude around...and that reid is def subserviant to banner and lurie which they love (of course) and that a guy like parcells wouldnt play that
Anyone see Parcells last monday, he was talking about Philly being his favorite sports town. It was kind of weird, but he's always admired the fans and the city. I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd take Gruden in a heartbeat too.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 25, 2007, 09:25:13 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
one of the things grotz questioned about the rumor is that he thought banner and parcells would clash...he said in the last couple years banner has gotten more powerful than ever in the front office and is carrying a jerry jones/dan snyder like attitude around...and that reid is def subserviant to banner and lurie which they love (of course) and that a guy like parcells wouldnt play that
Anyone see Parcells last monday, he was talking about Philly being his favorite sports town. It was kind of weird, but he's always admired the fans and the city. I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd take Gruden in a heartbeat too.
It's not really surprising. Parcells obviously likes money, and the Eagles organization has proven they will pay coaches top dollar. Why not angle for the gig?
As was already mentioned, Gruden or Parcells would be instant legends here a la Buddy due to antics and press conferences alone. The fans and media are sick of Reid's dull shtick.
unfortunately, being a low-talking, stick-in-the-mud at press conferences for the benefit of reporters wont cost you your job
get used to him....for a while
Broing in Parcells.. but only if Philly can re-sign TO.
Parcells would guarantee the debate over McNabb being coddled would be over.
Quote from: shorebird on September 25, 2007, 11:45:42 AM
Parcells would guarantee the debate over McNabb being coddled would be over.
Hahaha. No doubt.
Quote from: reese125 on September 25, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
unfortunately, being a low-talking, stick-in-the-mud at press conferences for the benefit of reporters wont cost you your job
get used to him....for a while
I don't the thinking is that Reid will be fired or forced out - I think the speculation is that Reid will resign for personal reasons.
Gruden is a fleshpop to his players, and for no reason. He doesn't get results (at least with his own team) and he handled the young/new QB situation in Tampa terribly. He sucks and the Eagles would be worse off with him, especially in the transition period that is approaching in 1-2 years. It is far better to enjoy his antics from a distance. Ask any tampa fan.
Um, Gruden put together the Raiders' Superbowl Team, left and won a Superbowl with the Bucs. All of this, 'he took another coaches team and won with it so he sucks and whatnot' bullshtein is bullshtein.
Look at his last three years and tell me you want that to happen with our new, young QB.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 25, 2007, 04:27:03 PM
Um, Gruden put together the Raiders' Superbowl Team, left and won a Superbowl with the Bucs. All of this, 'he took another coaches team and won with it so he sucks and whatnot' bullshtein is bullshtein.
agreed. people seem to forget that the team he left was in the same superbowl.
Quote from: methdeez on September 25, 2007, 04:36:06 PM
Look at his last three years and tell me you want that to happen with our new, young QB.
the glare from his shiny trophy blocks all that
what young qb's did gruden ruin in tampa?...chris sims and bruce gradkowski...lol....they both suck and still he used simms to get to the playoffs one year
gruden gets credit for the raiders and the bucs?
if reid does leave (cause he will not be fired no matter what) and they try to get parcells...i think mcnabb stays for another 2-3 seasons here. no way is parcells coming to rebuild a team at his age, especially how he finished in dallas. personally i wouldnt mind parcells as i think this team has good pieces in place but needs some playmakers on defense and a good in game coach to call the offense/adjust.
I think it would be good to have Parcells for 2-3 years just for his input at draft time. He's a great judge of talent, and a tough coach who would get quick results. It's iceholes like TO who don't respond to his old school ways.
Quote from: shorebird on September 25, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
I think it would be good to have Parcells for 2-3 years just for his input at draft time. He's a great judge of talent, and a tough coach who would get quick results. It's iceholes like TO who don't respond to his old school ways.
That would be the best part of Parcells for me too. He's got a great eye for talent and he'd get some real-life athletic playmakers on the team and not so many... as igy would say, "rhode scholars".
Quote from: methdeez on September 25, 2007, 04:24:36 PM
Gruden is a fleshpop to his players, and for no reason. He doesn't get results (at least with his own team) and he handled the young/new QB situation in Tampa terribly. He sucks and the Eagles would be worse off with him, especially in the transition period that is approaching in 1-2 years. It is far better to enjoy his antics from a distance. Ask any tampa fan.
His first two years in Tampa the team was without a 1st and 2nd round pick, not to mention in 2000 they gave up 2 1st rounders to get Keyshawn.
It is unknown whether or not this team will turn it around, but it is an absolute certainty that Reid is done here. You can see it in the players and in Reid himself. Something just isn't there this year. I think the Reid era is done. Whether Reid is here next year remains to be seen, but the team needs fresh blood in there. Reid has been stale for a few years now, but they were able to salvage it with inferiority of the rest of the NFC. This year the NFC still sucks, but Reid has taken it to another level of poor coaching and preparation. This will be the toughest challenge yet to overcome, but he can't come back next year regardless.
I have no question that with another coach in there we beat the Giants.
The difference now is that I think Reid has officially lost the players as well and Reid looks like he can't wait to get the farg out and resign.
What do they practice during the week to come out this bad? I mean I expect this shtein from the Cardinals, but not the Eagles. An Andy Reid team that still bought into his scheme would've NEVER put up a performance like tonight.
I would shtein myself with glee if Reid resigned in the next couple of days.
what do they even practice? i never see anything diff in terms of gameplan.
i wonder if it goes like "ok guys this week we will pass 70% of the time of which 50% of the plays will be play action".
sadly i still do not see reid quitting or leaving. hes got his boy kolb he wants to invest in so the first to go will be mcnabb and kolb will be our messiah. but it wont matter how good he is since we will still never address the WR position.
I wish JJ would have pulled a buddy Ryan and decked that fat ass, after showing no emotion all night he turns and yells at JJ? Are you kidding me the defense kept us in that game.
Why oh why can'tthe offense play with some sense of urgency down two scores with 6 min. to go?
Quote from: phillymic2000 on October 01, 2007, 07:29:53 AM
I wish JJ would have pulled a buddy Ryan and decked that fat ass, after showing no emotion all night he turns and yells at JJ? Are you kidding me the defense kept us in that game.
Why oh why can'tthe offense play with some sense of urgency down two scores with 6 min. to go?
he yelled at JJ?
you know whats even funnier...or sad actually is that they should have been prepared for whatever the giants D was going to throw at them because theypractice against that D every week. everyhing seemingly caught them off guard.
Yelled at JJ? 10 farging points?!? I missed that - farging disgrace. Reid should be ashamed. He isn't, but he should be.
Parcells isn't coming here. This team is years away from being in contention again, and Parcells is coming back to the NFL unless he's on a team that going to ready to compete for the title.
Pretty much everything about this team sucks. They're old, slow, stupid and are going to have QB issues at the end of the year. Blow it up.
I held out for long time, but let me jump on the bandwagon. Get rid of this farging guy. He has lost the team and it glaringly shows. Can't get a the farging FG unit on the field w/o wasting a TO? Can't get Justice off the field or get him help with Osi? Come out passing/passing/passing... I could go on, but u guys already see the obvious. :boom
I don't think the Eagles are as bad as all that if they had a proper coach. It's hard to tell what it is you've got in the locker room when your allowing 12 sacks a game and 150 penalties a game.
Despite 3/4's of the secondary being injured the Defense has somehow played well the last few weeks. I think this team could contend for the playoffs in the weak ass NFC with just a few tweaks here and there. Real coaching would help a whole hell of a lot...
Quote from: Phanatic on October 01, 2007, 11:42:51 AM
I don't think the Eagles are as bad as all that if they had a proper coach. It's hard to tell what it is you've got in the locker room when your allowing 12 sacks a game and 150 penalties a game.
Despite 3/4's of the secondary being injured the Defense has somehow played well the last few weeks. I think this team could contend for the playoffs in the weak ass NFC with just a few tweaks here and there. Real coaching would help a whole hell of a lot...
im of this opinion as well. if we get a coach and FO with the philosophy that we cant just win with the system and that we need players are key positions than we can compete again. we need a true #1 WR...not a slot WR being upgraded to a 1 and a draft pick who is at best suited for a #2 role. we also need to address the LB and safety positions. we also need to realize our best player is the RB and stick to a solid running game.
Bill Cowher!
Why oh why can'tthe offense play with some sense of urgency down two scores with 6 min. to go?
amazing wasnt it...i felt like i was watching the superbowl all over again
Mea Culpa!! I guess I am now oficially the last one off Reid's bandwagon. He coached like Tincup played golf. Stubbrnly leaving Winston "turnstile" Justice out there all alone without a prayer. Jesus Christ! Double team, chip, slide, move Herremans out ther and bing in Jean-Gillies! Just farging try something!! How the hell do you open up with three straight passes against a D designed to stop the pass. I am farging despondent! How Lurie refuses to pull the trigger is beyond me.
The sky really is falling. I felt like a Met fan watching that game.
Quote from: MDS on October 01, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Parcells isn't coming here. This team is years away from being in contention again, and Parcells is coming back to the NFL unless he's on a team that going to ready to compete for the title.
Pretty much everything about this team sucks. They're old, slow, stupid and are going to have QB issues at the end of the year. Blow it up.
No one is years away from being competitive in today's NFL. If they got Cowher or Parcells it would be instant boner. Two coaches that run the football and almost always have solid defenses.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 01, 2007, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 01, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Parcells isn't coming here. This team is years away from being in contention again, and Parcells is coming back to the NFL unless he's on a team that going to ready to compete for the title.
Pretty much everything about this team sucks. They're old, slow, stupid and are going to have QB issues at the end of the year. Blow it up.
No one is years away from being competitive in today's NFL. If they got Cowher or Parcells it would be instant boner. Two coaches that run the football and almost always have solid defenses.
Yup. And the Eagles have an oline that is capable of mashing the ball if given the opportunity. They have nice depth at RB. Buckhalter continues to amaze me everytime he carries the ball with how strong he still is after all the knee surguries and how fast he hits the hole. With a coach that properly utilizes the Eagles RB's, which is easily their offensive strength now, it wouldn't take much adjusting on other aspects of the team to put them among the best in the NFC again. Not to mention that both Cowher and Parcells are great at identifying talent at a place where Reid is completely lost.........linebacker.
am i the only one who would welcome marty shottenhimer (sp i know is incorrect) with open arms?
am i the only one who thinks wade phillips was san diego, not martyball
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 01, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
am i the only one who would welcome marty shottenhimer (sp i know is incorrect) with open arms?
Yes
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 01, 2007, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 01, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Parcells isn't coming here. This team is years away from being in contention again, and Parcells is coming back to the NFL unless he's on a team that going to ready to compete for the title.
Pretty much everything about this team sucks. They're old, slow, stupid and are going to have QB issues at the end of the year. Blow it up.
No one is years away from being competitive in today's NFL. If they got Cowher or Parcells it would be instant boner. Two coaches that run the football and almost always have solid defenses.
You are absolutely right. It is lost in today's NFL how important coaching is. The only difference between this years Chargers and last years is the coach and it is already the difference between 14-2 and 1-3. Gruden on the Eagles last night wins us that football game, and also week 1 at GB. The Washington game is up for debate because McNabb was so awful, but it definitely would've been closer.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 01, 2007, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 01, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
am i the only one who would welcome marty shottenhimer (sp i know is incorrect) with open arms?
Yes
bare in mind im desperate. i wish i enjoyed baseball so i could be happy for the phillies.
the eagles are going to give me a hemorrhage
Thanks to Reid, I now hate:
-Mormons
-Fat People
-People with mustaches
-People who can't tell time.
If they won't fire him, and he won't leave, put a bullet in him.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 01, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
Thanks to Reid, I now hate:
-Mormons
-Fat People
-People with mustaches
-People who can't tell time.
If they won't fire him, and he won't leave, put a bullet in him.
they need to get that guy who shot mcdougle.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 01, 2007, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 01, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
Thanks to Reid, I now hate:
-Mormons
-Fat People
-People with mustaches
-People who can't tell time.
If they won't fire him, and he won't leave, put a bullet in him.
they need to get that guy who shot mcdougle.
Naah...he missed.
Happy for the Phils is all relative now isn't it. They had to have a team implode in order to get into the playoffs.
Not wanting to be a downer but Philly sports is all about masachism.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 01, 2007, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 01, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
Thanks to Reid, I now hate:
-Mormons
-Fat People
-People with mustaches
-People who can't tell time.
If they won't fire him, and he won't leave, put a bullet in him.
they need to get that guy who shot mcdougle.
Naah...he missed.
even if he hits reid in the ass you expect him to be back hobbling like marvin lewis?
Quote from: Phanatic on October 01, 2007, 09:47:49 PM
Happy for the Phils is all relative now isn't it. They had to have a team implode in order to get into the playoffs.
Not wanting to be a downer but Philly sports is all about masachism.
Not implode. More like always sucked and came back to normal.
The coaching a preparation for the Giants game was a disgrace. It's obvious Reid's mind is distracted, not that he was a good game day coach or judge of talent before the crap hit the fan with his kids.
The Eagles started the game from the end zone with three pass plays, and it was all downhill from there. They had sucess when they ran the ball but refuse to do it on a consistant basis. Can't Lurie see this!?!
Go home Andy Reid. Just go home.
PFT has picked up the scent:
Quote
RUMORS FLY THAT REID IS ON HIS WAY OUT
After a tumultuous personal offseason involving legal troubles for two of his sons and a disappointing 1-3 start to the 2007 campaign, it should surprise no one that rumors are circulating that Eagles coach Andy Reid will step down after the season, if not sooner.
The fact that these events are unfolding in Philadelphia will only make the storm more intense. The unexpected qualification of the Phillies for the baseball playoffs could stave off the bulk of the scrutiny for as long as a month, but eventually the Phils will be done -- and the focus will shift back to the Eagles.
And the name to watch in this regard is Jon Gruden.
Gruden's star is back on the rise as he leads the Bucs out of last season's disaster to a 3-1 start. If he can find a way to beat the Colts on Sunday without tailback Cadillac Williams and left tackle Luke Petitgout, Gruden will shoot straight to the top of the "A" list. Though that might prompt some to conclude that the Glazers will decide that they don't want to let Gruden go if he can propel the Buccaneers back to the postseason, the talk in league and media circles is that ownership is ready to make a change, regardless of how this season plays out.
With that said, we wouldn't be surprised to see Tampa try to recover some of the draft picks and/or cash that was sent to Oakland when Gruden was hired in 2002.
God, let it be true.
I honestly don't think there are any credible rumors as much as it's just common sense that his personal life and job performance are both suffering incredibly.
It would honestly be better for everyone if Reid stepped down immediately and focused on his family, so no actual or verifiable rumors are necessary to report that it's a possibility.
That said, he's a stubborn idiot, so he's probably not going anywhere.
Quote from: PPinDC on October 03, 2007, 09:40:55 AM
PFT has picked up the scent:
Quote
RUMORS FLY THAT REID IS ON HIS WAY OUT
After a tumultuous personal offseason involving legal troubles for two of his sons and a disappointing 1-3 start to the 2007 campaign, it should surprise no one that rumors are circulating that Eagles coach Andy Reid will step down after the season, if not sooner.
The fact that these events are unfolding in Philadelphia will only make the storm more intense. The unexpected qualification of the Phillies for the baseball playoffs could stave off the bulk of the scrutiny for as long as a month, but eventually the Phils will be done -- and the focus will shift back to the Eagles.
And the name to watch in this regard is Jon Gruden.
Gruden's star is back on the rise as he leads the Bucs out of last season's disaster to a 3-1 start. If he can find a way to beat the Colts on Sunday without tailback Cadillac Williams and left tackle Luke Petitgout, Gruden will shoot straight to the top of the "A" list. Though that might prompt some to conclude that the Glazers will decide that they don't want to let Gruden go if he can propel the Buccaneers back to the postseason, the talk in league and media circles is that ownership is ready to make a change, regardless of how this season plays out.
With that said, we wouldn't be surprised to see Tampa try to recover some of the draft picks and/or cash that was sent to Oakland when Gruden was hired in 2002.
God, let it be true.
Didn't he also say that McNabb would have been traded a week ago?
pft articles should not be taken anymore seriously than my posts on this board
PFT isnt a horrible factory of false stories, like WIP is. They might have 60% of their rumors come to fruition, but i really think that this is going to happen. The writing is on the wall. Andy will not get fired but he will step down to deal with his family problems. You have to feel bad for the guy, but this team needs someone who is commited, not has sons who commit felonies.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 03, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
PFT isnt a horrible factory of false stories, like WIP is. They might have 60% of their rumors come to fruition, but i really think that this is going to happen. The writing is on the wall. Andy will not get fired but he will step down to deal with his family problems. You have to feel bad for the guy, but this team needs someone who is commited, not has sons who commit felonies.
he is no going to step down...he drafted kolb and i doubt he wants to give up on the future he has been trying to build ever since he got here.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 03, 2007, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 03, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
PFT isnt a horrible factory of false stories, like WIP is. They might have 60% of their rumors come to fruition, but i really think that this is going to happen. The writing is on the wall. Andy will not get fired but he will step down to deal with his family problems. You have to feel bad for the guy, but this team needs someone who is commited, not has sons who commit felonies.
he is no going to step down...he drafted kolb and i doubt he wants to give up on the future he has been trying to build ever since he got here.
:-D your right, he loves his 2nd round qb project more than his family.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 03, 2007, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 03, 2007, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 03, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
PFT isnt a horrible factory of false stories, like WIP is. They might have 60% of their rumors come to fruition, but i really think that this is going to happen. The writing is on the wall. Andy will not get fired but he will step down to deal with his family problems. You have to feel bad for the guy, but this team needs someone who is commited, not has sons who commit felonies.
he is no going to step down...he drafted kolb and i doubt he wants to give up on the future he has been trying to build ever since he got here.
:-D your right, he loves his 2nd round qb project more than his family.
its not about his love its about what he wants to do. he knew the crap with his fam going into this draft yet he still drafted kolb. if his fam drama gets worse he might resign but right now i do not think he steps down.
his kids cant possibly get into more trouble and if anything this coming off season he will come back thinking he put the fam crap behind him.
i want him gone i just dont see it happening.
Why does anyone think these issues will be any better under Morniwheg?
I can't see him stepping down during the season, but after absolutely. As much as he sucks as a coach right now, he is a classy guy, and stepping down midseason doesn't sound like Andy. It would be a travesty because if this thing is weighing on him that much then he never should've went into this season in the first place. It was an injustice to the fans and organization if he couldn't handle it.
Quote from: methdeez on October 03, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Why does anyone think these issues will be any better under Morniwheg?
i doubt they would be but there is a slight chance...even though all these bill walsh guys are pretty much the same in terms of the system they run they all have their own twists and wrinkles. andy is evidence of that...hes the only one from this bunch that seems to think passing this much equates to success.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 03, 2007, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: methdeez on October 03, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Why does anyone think these issues will be any better under Morniwheg?
i doubt they would be but there is a slight chance...even though all these bill walsh guys are pretty much the same in terms of the system they run they all have their own twists and wrinkles. andy is evidence of that...hes the only one from this bunch that seems to think passing this much equates to success.
So basically, what you're saying here is that of all the coaches that Bill Walsh has "fathered" in the NFL, we get stuck with the one who has teh downz.
...and who doesn't use a controlled, short, timing based passing game.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2007, 04:35:00 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 03, 2007, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: methdeez on October 03, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Why does anyone think these issues will be any better under Morniwheg?
i doubt they would be but there is a slight chance...even though all these bill walsh guys are pretty much the same in terms of the system they run they all have their own twists and wrinkles. andy is evidence of that...hes the only one from this bunch that seems to think passing this much equates to success.
So basically, what you're saying here is that of all the coaches that Bill Walsh has "fathered" in the NFL, we get stuck with the one who has teh downz.
wait was reid on the niners staff under him? i know he was in GB under holms.
i wonder if in GB if he ever went up to mike when it was like 2nd 1 and was like "HEY LETS PASS BABY!"
How can you not want to pass when your QB is Brett FAVREfavrFarvefavrFAVRE? Don't you just love the way he plays the game? What a gunslinger!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7296680?MSNHPHMA
Quote6. Let me be the first to say it: Andy Reid is overrated.
Standing on the sideline and calling pass play after pass play while the Giants are hammering the franchise quarterback who built your reputation was one of the most selfish coaching acts I've ever witnessed.
Donovan McNabb should've slapped Reid after Philly's 16-3 loss. What a joke. No way you let your star quarterback get sacked a dozen times, especially on a night when your ground game is giving you 5 yards per carry.
It's easy to blame Philly tackle Winston Justice, aka Highway-74, the express route to the quarterback. But Reid's game plan was atrocious. McNabb is being used and thrown to the wolves.
first one in the national media ive seen actually criticize reid.
AMEN, keep the ball rolling!
lol @ highway 74
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2007, 01:36:16 PM
lol @ highway 74
Yeah! What Reid is doing couldn't have been said any better than those quotes.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 04, 2007, 12:42:37 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7296680?MSNHPHMA
Quote6. Let me be the first to say it: Andy Reid is overrated.
Standing on the sideline and calling pass play after pass play while the Giants are hammering the franchise quarterback who built your reputation was one of the most selfish coaching acts I've ever witnessed.
Donovan McNabb should've slapped Reid after Philly's 16-3 loss. What a joke. No way you let your star quarterback get sacked a dozen times, especially on a night when your ground game is giving you 5 yards per carry.
It's easy to blame Philly tackle Winston Justice, aka Highway-74, the express route to the quarterback. But Reid's game plan was atrocious. McNabb is being used and thrown to the wolves.
first one in the national media ive seen actually criticize reid.
It starts! Let the fires burn!!!
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=250771
my cousin whos a huge giant fan found that for me...apparently on their radio show mike and the maddog they mentioned rumors that andy would step down this season and moreingwhatever will take over.
they could be just reporting on the rumors we already came across...but i dont know...i hope moreninggjghg is better but i doubt it. i want a full regime change. morningbreath will just continue the same crap i believe.
more rumors/speculation:
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=250857
that one claims comcast reported he is leaving tomorrow?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 04, 2007, 11:09:53 PM
more rumors/speculation:
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=250857
that one claims comcast reported he is leaving tomorrow?
QuoteI wish him the best. But
muhajir : 10/4/2007 10:55 pm
this can only help the Giants. Reid has been a top 5 head coach for a very long time now.
and to think...
arcarsenal : 10/4/2007 11:01 pm
...people were calling for this team to win our division.
i think that SB window has officially come slamming shut for the philadelphia eagles.
i do feel bad for reid, though.. he is a good guy and obviously he's dealing with quite a bit of adversity on the home front. i wish him well.
Man, Reid is in a very bad position right now
Anak : 10/4/2007 11:01 pm
I take back the jelly rolls comment. It just goes to show you that life goes beyond football and you have to see the true nature of players and coaches.
They love the fat man.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 04, 2007, 11:04:31 PM
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=250771
my cousin whos a huge giant fan found that for me...apparently on their radio show mike and the maddog they mentioned rumors that andy would step down this season and moreingwhatever will take over.
they could be just reporting on the rumors we already came across...but i dont know...i hope moreninggjghg is better but i doubt it. i want a full regime change. morningbreath will just continue the same crap i believe.
If/when Andy goes... I want an entirely new coaching staff. Clean house. New Coach with his own guys that buy into a whole new scheme. Someone who has an entirely different approach... and an understanding that running the ball is more than just a pesky thing you do in between passes.
Morninwheg would just end up being no more than Andy Reid lite.
it SOP for a new coach even an in house one to be able to choose his staff...that wont be an issue....that said i will be absolutely furious is they hire morningwheg
Morny would be a travesty. I was so baffled by the way he coached in Detroit. I know you have time in this league to grow and learn, but I cant see him striking fear into any other head coaches out there.
Hes a puppet, not a head coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2007, 09:08:52 AM
it SOP for a new coach even an in house one to be able to choose his staff...that wont be an issue....that said i will be absolutely furious is they hire morningwheg
Yeah, I know... but not if it's Morninwheg. He'd likely insert a new OC and it's biz as usual.
i disagree...jim johnson goes the day after andy goes...maybe a coach or two stay like a wr coach or soem shtein like that....but i think there would be a significant turnover even if marty is hired
not that matters tho...if marty is hired its a colassal mistake and it wont really matter who fills the rest of the staff
STATUS QUO
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2007, 09:19:45 AM
not that matters tho...if marty is hired its a colassal mistake and it wont really matter who fills the rest of the staff
True dat.
Whoever it is... I just hope that the next coach is someone who believes in playing some PHYSICAL farging football... with a knock you in the mouth philosophy. During Andy's time here, he's pussified this team to the point to where they're so finesse in everything they do, especially on the D... that you can literally see the difference when the Eagles match up against a team that plays physical (like the Steelers).
They literally get beat into submission. I hate seeing that shtein.
Ike Reese?
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 05, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
STATUS QUO
What he said. Name one available head coaching candidate who has had more consistent success than Reid. Not one superbowl win - better record and better playoff success for more than 2 years.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 05, 2007, 09:36:00 AM
What he said. Name one available head coaching candidate who has had more consistent success than Reid. Not one superbowl win - better record and better playoff success for more than 2 years.
so that means you actually think Andy Reid is a good football coach?
Quote from: Cerevant on October 05, 2007, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 05, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
STATUS QUO
What he said. Name one available head coaching candidate who has had more consistent success than Reid. Not one superbowl win - better record and better playoff success for more than 2 years.
first of all ff was being facetious i think...or at most he was saying what he thinks will happen...he wasnt saying he wanted reid to stay
second of all if andy reid was a better coach hed have the one superbowl you so easily dismiss...how can you ask someone to name a better coach and then throw out winning a superbowl as criteria
btw reid is 32-35 since all those playoffs you are so happy about
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2007, 09:41:17 AM
first of all ff was being facetious i think...or at most he was saying what he thinks will happen...he wasnt saying he wanted reid to stay
Correct.
Quote from: SunMo on October 05, 2007, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on October 05, 2007, 09:36:00 AM
What he said. Name one available head coaching candidate who has had more consistent success than Reid. Not one superbowl win - better record and better playoff success for more than 2 years.
so that means you actually think Andy Reid is a good football coach?
he has no idea all he knows is that andy made the playoffs a bunch of times...which even his biggest haters acknowledge is impressive...at the same time you have to understand the game beyond wins and losses to recognize how good a coach is...brian billick won a superbowl
Mike Martz?
I don't think Andy is a good coach, I think he is a successful coach. There is no one who is not emotionally attached to this team who thinks that this coaching staff needs to be scrapped. I've been on the Andy must go bandwagon for quite some time, but I know that it isn't going to happen. The only hope of this happening is the mental breakdown that he might just be suffering.
I believe that a major change is the only hope for this team to win a Super Bowl. Unfortunately, while it is a necessary condition, it is not a sufficient condition - it is much more likely that a coaching change will drive this team further down than taking it to new heights. This is why Lurie and Banner will not pull the trigger on a regime change - it will cost them too much money if they fail.
i dont think theres anyone who believes that lurie/banner will fire reid
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2007, 10:20:08 AM
i dont think theres anyone who believes that lurie/banner will fire reid
Correct. He will have to resign voluntarily.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2007, 10:20:08 AM
i dont think theres anyone who believes that lurie/banner will fire reid
no doubt. banner is safe too. he walks around the novacare like he owns the place.
loyalty and trust are great things to have, but clearly jeffy is blinded by it here. sort of like ed snider and all those years with clarke, cept he kept firing the head coach.
Passing when trying to run out the clock...check.
Stupid play calling...check.
Total lack of emotion from the team...check.
Refusal to run the ball at critical times...check.
:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
So everyone is on the Fire Andy Reid Bandwagon now right? There aren't any stragglers who have somehow missed the writing on the wall are there?
I can't begin to imagine a coach who could consistently do worse, when play-calling matters most, than Andy Reid.
Yea America's father of the year was pretty brutal, again. The only good thing about this is my fantasy team moves into #1 rooting priority.
I don't know if anyone can defend him at this point. I'd be curious to see an agrument for him being the Eagles HC at the end of the season.
The front office won't fire him so it is moot. He is only gone if he resigns.
He's better than Norv Turner?
Our offseason should begin with getting Gruden. Same system, still a young coach, won a SB, not a moron, kids aren't drug addict lunatics.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 21, 2007, 07:43:28 PM
He's better than Norv Turner?
Think Norv would pass the ball when Andy did today with 1:46 left?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 21, 2007, 07:46:32 PM
Our offseason should begin with getting Gruden. Same system, still a young coach, won a SB, not a moron, kids aren't drug addict lunatics.
Agreed, but you better root for the Bucs to lose. If they make the playoffs, he stays.
I think he's gone regardless, and they're an average team with average talent.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 21, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
I think he's gone regardless, and they're an average team with average talent.
Hence the problem with Gruden. I like him as a coach, but I don't want him doing shtein with the front office. Dude has never built a team...only taken over other peoples teams.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 21, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 21, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
I think he's gone regardless, and they're an average team with average talent.
Hence the problem with Gruden. I like him as a coach, but I don't want him doing shtein with the front office. Dude has never built a team...only taken over other peoples teams.
The Raiders were 4-12 when he took over and he built them into a superbowl team.
1st play of the game - run - 9 yards.
2nd play of the game - run - 6 yards.
3rd play of the game - pass - incomplete
*Penalty* offensive holding
4th play of the game - pass - complete for 10 yards
5th play of the game - pass - incomplete
6th play of the game - punt.
genius.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 21, 2007, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 21, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 21, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
I think he's gone regardless, and they're an average team with average talent.
Hence the problem with Gruden. I like him as a coach, but I don't want him doing shtein with the front office. Dude has never built a team...only taken over other peoples teams.
The Raiders were 4-12 when he took over and he built them into a superbowl team.
I stand corrected. I was thinking building through the draft (because I have been conditioned to think that way as an Eagles fan). Gruden signed the likes of Garner and Gannon and built a good team through free agency.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/peter_king/01/25/mmqbte.reid/p1_reid.jpg)
I am the Walrus, coo coo cachoo.
i would rather get cowher.
hell i would rather get JAWS!
i think he actually watches the game film.
Christ, just looking at him makes me angry.
.....me too.....
Quote from: rjs246 on October 21, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
Christ, just looking at him makes me angry.
Don't worry. I hear he'll do a better job to put guys in positions to make plays next week.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 21, 2007, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 21, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
Christ, just looking at him makes me angry.
Don't worry. I hear he'll do a better job to put guys in positions to make plays next week.
Maybe this guy will be in a better position:
(http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/shooter.gif)
What are the actual chances that he goes after the season? Does anyone really think he is going. I wish I could say I did.
Unless ownership is useless, they need to make some kind of change, like maybe: "hey fat ass you will never ever be allowed to call a play or make any Offensive decisions again.
There is only one stat that will determine if Reid has a job next year...
...season ticket renewal rate. This team is being run like a business, without passion. Get used to it.
That or a farging bullet. Anyone that can spare 30-life for the sake of the team?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 21, 2007, 08:53:48 PM
What are the actual chances that he goes after the season? Does anyone really think he is going. I wish I could say I did.
Zero
Quote from: Cerevant on October 21, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
There is only one stat that will determine if Reid has a job next year...
...season ticket renewal rate. This team is being run like a business, without passion. Get used to it.
Almost every team has a waiting list for season tickets and all the teams are being run the same way. It comes down to the desire of the owner to win. Lurie has the desire to win, and I have seen nothing to dispute that. He's made some bad personell desicions (Ray-bob and the Fat Man in the GM position), but the dude is willing to spend $$$.
Lurie only wants to win in the sense that a winning team makes more money. It isn't just season tickets: suite leases, merchandise sales, advertising revenue. All those cash cows flock to a winner. The sweet spot for those is the perpetual playoff contender. Super Bowl winners cost too much. Until those numbers start to sag (which won't happen without 2 or 3 consecutive losing seasons) Reid will keep his job.
Another game slips right through the hands of the coaches. i can't believe how horrible the playcalling was with 3 fargin minutes to go. PASS!?!?! Come on Reid, are you that fargin retarded!! My god is so basic and fundamental, I can't believe he could ever be let off the hook for throwing so many games because of his pass addiction. my god im praying for a horrible accident to happen to him. he needs to leave this city. he needs to go.
Quote from: mussa on October 22, 2007, 10:31:39 AM
Another game slips right through the hands of the coaches. i can't believe how horrible the playcalling was with 3 fargin minutes to go. PASS!?!?! Come on Reid, are you that fargin retarded!! My god is so basic and fundamental, I can't believe he could ever be let off the hook for throwing so many games because of his pass addiction. my god im praying for a horrible accident to happen to him. he needs to leave this city. he needs to go.
Not only did they attempt more than one pass... they used the shotgun at least once.
they also had at least two plays where they inexplicably snapped the ball with more than ten seconds left on the play clock
it was almost surreal sitting at the game witnessing it...like andy couldnt really be doing all these things...but he was
4 minutes to go when they get the back, i say to my cousin, they need to end the game with the ball, they shouldn't throw the ball once.
Westbrook up the middle for 2 yards
then a farging down and out to butterfingers...why are you throwing the ball there, why are you throwing a down and out?
3rd and 8...Donovan makes a great run to pick up the first, it was great play. i'm thinking then, they are going to run the ball 3 straight times.
nope...next play Donovan drops back to pass. at this point my brain begins to short circuit, i seriously feel like i'm having a stroke. i'm not sure what quarter it is and i'm not sure who is winning the game. of course Donovan gets sacked and it's 2nd and 13 instead of 2nd and 7 or 6 like it should've been had they run the ball.
Westbrook then runs for 5, and chicago uses their last TO, but of course it's 3rd and long because of the sack, not 3rd and short, and then the holding call on 3rd down and the short pass and punt. the playcalling during that sequence was nothing short of retarded, but not at all surprising for this moronic head coach.
What's the stronger addiction: Andy to the pass or Garrett and Britt to oxycodone? Tough call
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 22, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
What's the stronger addiction: Andy to the pass or Garrett and Britt to oxycodone? Tough call
More importantly, which one is actually more damaging?
Quote from: SunMo on October 22, 2007, 11:16:46 AM
the playcalling during that sequence was nothing short of retarded, but not at all surprising for this moronic head coach.
You just can't make this shtein up:
CHI PHI
1st and 10 at PHI 42 (4:02) B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 44 for 2 yards (L.Briggs).
2nd and 8 at PHI 44 (3:22) D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to R.Brown.
3rd and 8 at PHI 44 (3:17) (Shotgun) D.McNabb scrambles left end ran ob at CHI 47 for 9 yards (T.Harris).
1st and 10 at CHI 47 (3:08) D.McNabb sacked at 50 for -3 yards (A.Archuleta).
2nd and 13 at 50 (2:37) B.Westbrook left end to CHI 45 for 5 yards (B.Urlacher).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 02:30.
Timeout #1 by PHI at 02:30.
3rd and 8 at CHI 45 (2:30) B.Westbrook left end to CHI 44 for 1 yard (D.Manning; C.Tillman).
PENALTY on PHI-T.Herremans, Offensive Holding, 9 yards, enforced at CHI 45 - No Play.
3rd and 17 at PHI 46 (2:23) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass left to B.Westbrook to CHI 46 for 8 yards (L.Briggs; R.Manning).
Two-Minute Warning
4th and 9 at CHI 46 (1:57) S.Rocca punts 43 yards to CHI 3, Center-J.Dorenbos, out of bounds
that one incomplete pass might have cost them the game...
if you assume everything else stays the same (that's a big assumption, i know) and you take another 30 seconds off the game clock from the Eagles running the ball on that 2nd down, Chicago might not have enough time to get into the endzone
i also felt like it was a huge mistake not calling a timeout after griese had spiked the ball with 30 seconds left...the eagles were on their heels...discombobulated and tired...they needed to regroup and rest up there
Quote from: SunMo on October 22, 2007, 11:34:15 AM
that one incomplete pass might have cost them the game...
if you assume everything else stays the same (that's a big assumption, i know) and you take another 30 seconds off the game clock from the Eagles running the ball on that 2nd down, Chicago might not have enough time to get into the endzone
the two times (at least) that they didnt run the play clock down to one or two before snapping the ball cost them another 25 seconds as well
Quote from: SunMo on October 22, 2007, 11:16:46 AM
4 minutes to go when they get the back, i say to my cousin, they need to end the game with the ball, they shouldn't throw the ball once.
Westbrook up the middle for 2 yards
then a farging down and out to butterfingers...why are you throwing the ball there, why are you throwing a down and out?
3rd and 8...Donovan makes a great run to pick up the first, it was great play. i'm thinking then, they are going to run the ball 3 straight times.
nope...next play Donovan drops back to pass. at this point my brain begins to short circuit, i seriously feel like i'm having a stroke. i'm not sure what quarter it is and i'm not sure who is winning the game. of course Donovan gets sacked and it's 2nd and 13 instead of 2nd and 7 or 6 like it should've been had they run the ball.
Westbrook then runs for 5, and chicago uses their last TO, but of course it's 3rd and long because of the sack, not 3rd and short, and then the holding call on 3rd down and the short pass and punt. the playcalling during that sequence was nothing short of retarded, but not at all surprising for this moronic head coach.
What sucks is that at time I was thinking ok so even with the horrible play calling they have the bears down to no timeouts and with less than 2 min to go.
Its shocking how no one in the national media calls Reid out for this. Mcnabb gets called out locally and nationally for his bad play (sometimes warranted and sometimes unwarranted) but Reid is constantly considered one of the best coaches in the league (i guess by win percentage he is) but no one ever questions him.
At this point Reid is like the President...everyone is in shock everytime he does something because we know going in its going to be dumb but then when its done we are still in shock as to how dumb it really is. And just like Bush, win or lose, he never changes his gameplan or thinking. Just imagine if they had won yesterday....imagine a scenario next week if we have the lead with like 4 min to go...I am sure they would not even attempt to run once.
Basic fundemental football aside its just shocking that a Coach/GM/Front Office with so much money saved up would want to run a pass happy offense but refuse to surround their hobbling franchise QB with the talent needed....EVEN after seeing how explosive the offense can be if McNabb is surrounded with quality WRs. Its just some sick joke that we are stuck with now. I used to be a huge Reid supporter for how he brought McNabb along (where as most QBs from that class were busts) and how he rebuild this franchise and brought about winning ways but now its just painful to watch this team.
Just for one moment I would want to feel and see what its like to be a fan of a franchise like the Patriots...
Its shocking how no one in the national media calls Reid out for this. Mcnabb gets called out locally and nationally for his bad play (sometimes warranted and sometimes unwarranted) but Reid is constantly considered one of the best coaches in the league (i guess by win percentage he is) but no one ever questions him.
reid doesnt get called out nationally because they dont have a clue as to how he coaches...they look at his playoff appearances and assume hes a great coach...where as if you know football and are an eagle fans you would have known even during the playoff and superbowl years that the guy couldnt coach...the national media is close enough to the eagles or any one team for that matter to fairly evaluate them
and i would totally disagree with you regarding any national criticism of mcnabb
The incomplete pass to Tapeh nearly sent me over the edge. Plays like that are exactly why I don't watch the games at home. I would never want my child to hear the barrage of curses flowing out of my hole after a play like that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2007, 12:28:16 PM
Its shocking how no one in the national media calls Reid out for this. Mcnabb gets called out locally and nationally for his bad play (sometimes warranted and sometimes unwarranted) but Reid is constantly considered one of the best coaches in the league (i guess by win percentage he is) but no one ever questions him.
reid doesnt get called out nationally because they dont have a clue as to how he coaches...they look at his playoff appearances and assume hes a great coach...where as if you know football and are an eagle fans you would have known even during the playoff and superbowl years that the guy couldnt coach...the national media is close enough to the eagles or any one team for that matter to fairly evaluate them
I was just telling this to my boss (a Bears fan).
I was saying that almost everyone who hears me say that Reid needs to be fired looks at me like I've got a flower pot on my head... because everyone only sees ESPN's take about how he's a great coach and all that garbage. For any of us who know the Eagles as in depth as we do can see that there are plenty of glaring holes in the man's game and they are holes that have been costing this team games all along... and now that the team is no longer good enough to cover up the mistakes he's made time after time... it's all starting to come to light.
of course the national media wont hesitate to portray eagle fans as over zealous meatheads cause they want a coach as great as andy fired
It's not just the national media either. The local waterheaded sycophants routinely pimp him out as well, although that does appear to be changing ever so slightly now.
whats goin through mcnabbs head when they were in that position to just run the damn clock down?!? I mean can't he say farg that and audible to a damn run?! whats goin on here. its so basic, one of these dumbass' gotta be thinking the coach is a complete idiot. why isn't anyone speaking up? this is out of control. the giants game should of been the nail in the coffin, but no, they somehow get passed the jets and then hand the win over to the bears in the most fundamental bone headed way. is the FO that business focused where they really dn't care whats goin on in the field? wow, this is just so hard to imagine this continues to happen year after year and its just getting worse and nothings changed!!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 22, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
It's not just the national media either. The local waterheaded sycophants routinely pimp him out as well, although that does appear to be changing ever so slightly now.
the local print media kisses his arse so they be at reid's press conferences to get all that juicy info he gives out between throat clearings.
the radio people, especially WIP, save howard foreskin have been ripping reid for a long time.
Quote from: mussa on October 22, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
whats goin through mcnabbs head when they were in that position to just run the damn clock down?!? I mean can't he say farg that and audible to a damn run?! whats goin on here. its so basic, one of these dumbass' gotta be thinking the coach is a complete idiot. why isn't anyone speaking up? this is out of control. the giants game should of been the nail in the coffin, but no, they somehow get passed the jets and then hand the win over to the bears in the most fundamental bone headed way. is the FO that business focused where they really dn't care whats goin on in the field? wow, this is just so hard to imagine this continues to happen year after year and its just getting worse and nothings changed!!
its not like we have players who would speak out. reid has build a team purposely composed of guys who will not question the coach. sometimes it works (when winning) and in these situations it sucks cause you have got to believe that players know enought football to know what is supposed to be done and what is being called.
additionally i think reid can be a good coach if he was not such a horrible GM. i mean i can see this team be all pass happy and get away with it if they have the weapons. the years they had weapons capable to run the type of offense he wants they put up good numbers. thats whats even more perplexing about this whole situation. reid is stopping himself from running the type of offense he wants.
weapons or not. mcnabb is not a 40 plus passing QB. now especially since he's gimpy. they need a run game and a commitment to the run. as of right now they have no weapons(minus white lightning, love him or hate him he's our only consistent receiver) and almost zero commitment to running in situations where they should run. reid needs to go. there needs to be riots in the streets over this. please happen, oh lord please happen....
You'd think the fat farg would've learned after he got McNabb killed vs. Dallas on MNF in 2005.
My three year old figures shtein out faster than this jackass. BYU - call him home. Please.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 22, 2007, 06:22:02 PM
You'd think the fat farg would've learned after he got McNabb killed vs. Dallas on MNF in 2005.
My three year old figures shtein out faster than this jackass. BYU - call him home. Please.
we're screwed, BYU just upped their coach for 4 more years this afternoon.
Quote from: mussa on October 22, 2007, 03:53:38 PM
weapons or not. mcnabb is not a 40 plus passing QB. now especially since he's gimpy. they need a run game and a commitment to the run. as of right now they have no weapons(minus white lightning, love him or hate him he's our only consistent receiver) and almost zero commitment to running in situations where they should run. reid needs to go. there needs to be riots in the streets over this. please happen, oh lord please happen....
oh no i did not mean right now. i meant when mcnabb was healthy.
also going into this season i was delusional enough to think they would bring mcnabb along slowly by simply running most of the time with westbrook, buck, and tony hunt (what was the point of drafting him anyway?)
The most logical scenario of Reid "going" would be for him to step down as coach, but remain the GM. And with that, you can guarantee that Marty Morningwood will be the next head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Reid will need at least two bad seasons in a row to be outright fired. Even a season ticket holder revolt wouldn't work. There are a farg load of believers in the waiting line ready snatch up tickets by the word of a Dave Spadaro article.
^^ probably most likely scenario, and most probable cause of my demise and liver function.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 23, 2007, 03:15:05 AM
^^ probably most likely scenario, and most probable cause of my demise and liver function.
local radio station dj has a fricken hilarious song called "Pinoy Boy". I am trying to find a way to get you a copy. Classic stuff.
That is the most frightening yet realistic scenario, Marty as our new head coach. Good night.
John Smallwood's on Reid's cock now. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071023_John_Smallwood___Has_Lurie_seen_enough_of_Reid_.html)
Bob Ford's on it too. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071023_Bob_Ford___Troubled_times_demand_a_bold_response_from_Reid.html)
And so it begins. . .
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 23, 2007, 08:00:29 AM
John Smallwood's on Reid's cock now. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071023_John_Smallwood___Has_Lurie_seen_enough_of_Reid_.html)
Bob Ford's on it too. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071023_Bob_Ford___Troubled_times_demand_a_bold_response_from_Reid.html)
And so it begins. . .
Ha!
QuoteAnd if you're Lurie and you take a hard look at where this once-touted "gold standard" of the NFL is and where it is headed, how can you not wonder whether things have run their course?
^^exactly^^
but remain the GM.
no no no no no no and NO
QuoteWhat has become evident is that the rest of the NFL has caught up to Reid's system. Things that worked in the past no longer get the job done.
truest statement in that article
now Im hoping they run 7 more shuffle passes next game to trick the defense
That's an idiotic statement. The system worked just fine when there were actual weapons in it.
Donovan at 100% plus T.O. plus Westbrook plus L.J. Smith = domination. If all four of those players were still here and playing at 100% this team would be as dangerous as any in the NFL.
McNabb's a shell of his former self, Smith is injured, T.O. is gone and Westbrook is carrying the ball six farging times in the second half. THAT'S THE PROBLEM, not the system.
beat me to it romey...get three wr's who are properly slotted and a healthy qb and the offense would be fine....now the play calling and clock management would still suck but the system is fine...in fact reids playbook is his strong suit....its how he uses it that is the problem
The basic offensive system they employ has won about 20 Super Bowls. What's missing is talent. It simply can't be stated any clearer than that. The talent on this team is garbage other than Westbrook right now. The receivers are all #2's at best, the tight end(s) sucks, and the quarterback is a farging gimp yet people are up in arms over the system?
I'm not saying he calls a good game with the system - he clearly doesn't. But the playbook is very solid.
Quoteget three wr's who are properly slotted
since this will never happen in the Reid era, you better change up or adjust that system in a big way
Team owners and their management find new coaches that employs a system that best fits the players they have -even when things go south. Since we no longer have those players, its time for a change of some sort
I'm sure Reid has a plethora of plays, like all coaches do--its a matter of how and when to use them. Teams have caught up to the fact that the Eagles will most likely throw on first down, run once in a 4-down setting, use the play action 75% of the time, and a run a 3 receiver set.
Trickery at its finest. Blow it up
weapons or not, when reid decides to throw the ball with 3 minutes left with the lead, its not going to win super bowls. it is the fargin system. his god damn system is to pass all the fargin time, even when its time to run the clock down. yea it might be better if we had 3 good receivers, but if mcnabb throws a bad pass, there goes 40 seconds we should of taken off the clock. its a combination of the system and the players. sure if we had brady or manning tossing it, with the likes of their receiver lineups, we'd be a contender. but mcnabb is not a brady or manning, and our receivers aren't close to their lineups. yet, reid continues to use a system where only players of the patriots and or colts can take full advantage. reason enough to fire andy reid. he's not getting the players, he's not adjusting to a system where they can take advantage of the players they have. in fact, he's done nothing. he's done, please stand down reid. your embarassing yourself.
Quote from: mussa on October 23, 2007, 10:53:08 AM
weapons or not, when reid decides to throw the ball with 3 minutes left with the lead, its not going to win super bowls. it is the fargin system. his god damn system is to pass all the fargin time, even when its time to run the clock down. yea it might be better if we had 3 good receivers, but if mcnabb throws a bad pass, there goes 40 seconds we should of taken off the clock. its a combination of the system and the players. sure if we had brady or manning tossing it, with the likes of their receiver lineups, we'd be a contender. but mcnabb is not a brady or manning, and our receivers aren't close to their lineups. yet, reid continues to use a system where only players of the patriots and or colts can take full advantage. reason enough to fire andy reid. he's not getting the players, he's not adjusting to a system where they can take advantage of the players they have. in fact, he's done nothing. he's done, please stand down reid. your embarassing yourself.
yeah but the system he is running is the west coast right? i mean you could have the best system and still run it wrong. you can also have a system that does not fit the talent on the team.
with reid the west coast can work (we have seen it work) if the FO actually surrounds mcnabb with talent.
mcnabb is no brady. he cant take the team year in and out to the playoffs, esp now when he has lost his ability to run away from everyone, with mediocre WR talent. the NFC has caught up and the eagles can not expect to simply win mediocre WRs just like they did before. i see that a lot in all the articles written about the team..."they have done it before starting 2-3 in 2003" but that was back when the rest of the NFC East was pure garbage. cant simply rely on that. a lot of the players on this team were not even on that team.
this calls for adjustments and retooling the talent. none of which reid did and not because he couldnt but he just doesnt think he is ever wrong.
Quote from: mussa on October 23, 2007, 10:53:08 AM
weapons or not, when reid decides to throw the ball with 3 minutes left with the lead, its not going to win super bowls. it is the fargin system. his god damn system is to pass all the fargin time, even when its time to run the clock down
no, that's playcalling, not the offensive system
Quote from: SunMo on October 23, 2007, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: mussa on October 23, 2007, 10:53:08 AM
weapons or not, when reid decides to throw the ball with 3 minutes left with the lead, its not going to win super bowls. it is the fargin system. his god damn system is to pass all the fargin time, even when its time to run the clock down
no, that's playcalling, not the offensive system
exactly, the are running plays in the WCO playbook the last i remember.
the teams that suceeded with this system did it with better talent. the eagles try to do it with TJ Maxx clearence specials.
those other teams also took what the defenses gave them and managed the game properly.
Think about the teams that won Super Bowls with West Coast offenses. Is there a player on the Eagles other than maybe Westbrook who would start on any of them?
Talent, folks. That's the problem and that fat farg and his mongoloid pals Heckert & Banner are to blame for this team being sorely lacking in that department.
But hey, at least they traded their #1 pick in the draft for a backup quarterback who might start someday! Woot!
Talent is not a bigger problem than coaching, but either way, it's on Reid.
disagree
talent is definitely a bigger problem....this coach has made the superbowl once and the playoffs numerous times
theres no bigger hater of reid than me and ive wanted him gone for over five years but in the end players win games and as we stand right now they simply dont have the talent to consistently win in this league
of course the coach is the one that has put this talent in place so in a roundabout way the coach is the biggest problem but not coach-ing
At least we don't have Kotite?
if reid goes the eagles will go right back to the kotite days.....remember them?....before we were winning divisions every year
Good question on WIP just now:
What is foremost on Lurie's mind today:
Eagles winning in Minny to keep hope alive.
Or
Red Sox in the World Series.
neither
the answer is the patriots going 8-0
I don't even think we run the wco. It's more like, have zesty wr's that run 8+ yard routes on a 10 step drop and let McNabb get killed. Don't adjust. Repeat. Don't adjust. Repeat. Punt.
Along with Reid's other glaring holes, like predictability (pass) - is the complete lack of effort to adjust. Giants game, a chip block, 2 te's, run the ball....done. I just....I just don't get it. Maybe he just a super retard and everyone is afraid of his superhuman tard strength.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2007, 12:37:39 PM
talent is definitely a bigger problem
QuoteBengals | Team could trade C. Johnson this offseason
Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:05:32 -0700
Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis did not deny a rumor that the team may consider trading WR Chad Johnson in the offseason. During ESPN's pregame show Sunday, Oct. 21, ESPN's Chris Mortensen said that a "prominent member of the Bengals organization recently told me recently that the organization does have a decision to make on Chad Johnson, that he is so passionate and proud that if they decided to discipline him for some of those antics they believe he might shut it down. So how he finishes the rest of the year and the Bengals finish could bring them to a crossroads discussion on whether to even trade Chad Johnson in the offseason."
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 23, 2007, 02:28:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2007, 12:37:39 PM
talent is definitely a bigger problem
QuoteBengals | Team could trade C. Johnson this offseason
Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:05:32 -0700
Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis did not deny a rumor that the team may consider trading WR Chad Johnson in the offseason. During ESPN's pregame show Sunday, Oct. 21, ESPN's Chris Mortensen said that a "prominent member of the Bengals organization recently told me recently that the organization does have a decision to make on Chad Johnson, that he is so passionate and proud that if they decided to discipline him for some of those antics they believe he might shut it down. So how he finishes the rest of the year and the Bengals finish could bring them to a crossroads discussion on whether to even trade Chad Johnson in the offseason."
is johnson a mormon ? if he is we have a chance to get him.
Mormon, Druid, whatever.
Just get that Mr. T wannabe bitch and fast.
So the Eagles would have Chad Johnson and the next Chad Johnson? How could they possibly lose?
Right now, for the talent this team has, they need to re-think the system and the playcalling. McNabb is 3/4 the QB he can be. Take pressure off McNabb by running the ball more. They can run the ball effectively, they just need a commitment. Throw strategically and when needed. When McNabb is not pressured and has time, he can make some nice throws. So lets try to give him those kind of opportunities. Westbrook can handle the load. Give it to him 20+ times on the ground. Throw him a screen, ,most definelty get him involved in the pass game when needed. I want to see Buck at RB and Westy in the slot and not just once or twice a game. You have to confuse the D, throw something diff. at them everytime they are both on the field. Hand it off to Buck 5-10 times. Give Hunt a bone more than once. The running game not only gives time and less pressure on McNabb, but it keeps the opponents D tired and yours fresh. Our D can play very well when fresh.(last week it seemed like our D was on the field the entire 2nd half) It leads to controlling the clock and the momentum game. Our team is anything but a WCO highlight reel right now. We all knew this going into the season with the pathetic lineup at WR. What did Reid say all offseason? We're going to go for a more balanced attack on offense. BULLshtein.
Its just sad that nothing will change. My worst nightmare is the team ending up at .500 or more and Reid being let off the hook again. Getting a mediocre first round pick, again. Nothing changing. Who are they going to make a move for the off-season? Nobody cause they got burned by TO. Meanwhile talented vets lke Dawkins, Spikes, McNabb, Runyan, Thomas, all get closer and closer to the end of their careers. This is sucvh a waste of talent on this team. I'd be calling for Reids head if I was a player. These guys must be really brainwashed or they just dn't really care that much and are happy with a fat paycheck thanks to us the fans.
chad johnson would be a perfect fit at WR for any damn team. Problem is does Reid think he's a TO. I'm not even going to get my hopes up.
Quote from: mussa on October 23, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
Right now, for the talent this team has, they need to re-think the system and the playcalling. McNabb is 3/4 the QB he can be. Take pressure off McNabb by running the ball more.
that where reid "the coach" becomes the problem.
he just seems to refuse to admit he needs to adjust to the talent and to the team's strength which would pull the eagles away from being a pass first team.
better coaches make such adjustments and win.
chad johnson, who i dont think will be a eagle, would be perfect. he is TO without the nonsence part. yeah he likes to celebrate but he is not a cancer and he is just frustrated on that team with that horrendous defense. if he was ever a eagle though i could imagine reid going even more nuts with the passing.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071023_Lurie_backs_Reid_despite_Eagles_struggles.html
QuoteLurie backs Reid despite Eagles' struggles
By PAUL DOMOWITCH
pdomo@aol.com
Eagles owner Jeff Lurie is very disappointed over his team's 2-4 start. But he made it very clear today that the poor start has not shaken his confidence in head coach Andy Reid and his staff.
"He's one of the best coaches in the league," Lurie said during a lunch break at the NFL fall owners meeting at the Westin Hotel in Center City. "If you interviewed the 31 other owners here and Andy was out there on the market, they would be lining up [to hire him]."
Reid is in his ninth season as the Eagles' head coach. He's the winningest coach in franchise history and has guided them to five NFC East titles in the last 6 years, four NFC Championship Game appearances and one conference crown.
"We have an excellent coach with an excellent coaching staff," Lurie said. "I'm surprised and very disappointed by the start we're off to. But we have excellent [coaching] leadership.
"Last year was a great example of that. Very few coaches could've rallied their team after losing their quarterback and being 5-6. But we came within a whisker of the NFC Championship Game for the fifth time in 6 years. That sort of says it all [about Reid] to me."
Lurie said he doesn't pay much attention to the criticism of Reid by either the media or fans.
"You see that in every city in the country," he said. "It's the nature of the world we live in today.
"If [Boston Red Sox manager] Terry Francona hadn't made it past the first round of the playoffs, they'd be saying, 'Oh, we need a real manager. A much better manager.' The guy's only on the verge of winning a second world championship in 4 years. Next year, you'll hear it again if they don't get past the first round . . .
"When you know what you have, and what you have is very, very good, you support the people through the ups and downs." *
Gives that fat moron a vote of confidence and his analogy is the farging insufferable Red Sox and a manager this town hates. Die.
Is there really anything else to talk about at this point? Everyone knows he's an awful coach. Everyone knows he isn't going anywhere. Everyone knows that he is a negligent father.
There's nothing else to discuss.
I agree with you rjs. Lurie would keep him even if he loses out; the only way he leaves is if it's of his own accord, and there's really nothing else to say.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 23, 2007, 06:49:16 PM
Is there really anything else to talk about at this point? Everyone knows he's an awful coach. Everyone knows he isn't going anywhere. Everyone knows that he is a negligent father.
There's nothing else to discuss.
Overall, he's had a terrible year, both on and off the field decisions. They missed on a lot of assumptions this offseason.
Based on this year alone, he should lose his job, most coaches would. However, he has a nine year history here, and most of it has been very successful.
He's earned the opportunity to rebuild this team himself. Lurie will give him that. I would imagine that if 2008 looks anything like 2007, then he will be looked at a lot closer.
Despite refutes by icee, this same thing happened it Pittsburgh with Cowher (http://firebillcowher.com/). He was given a chance to fix what he had broken, and Reid will get the same thing.
QuoteHe's earned the opportunity to rebuild this team himself
dear lord..
theres no comparison btwn reid and cowher..the better comparison would maybe be dungy and reid....the difference there being tampa was in much better shape when dungy was replaced than the eagles would be if reid left in january
reid is an abortion of an in game coach....something cowher never was
just because some pittsburgh fans called for cowhers head at one time doesnt make the two situations similar
cowher never had a qb half as good as mcnabb...and yet over 15 years he had only three below 500 seasons...how did he do this?...with excellent player personel work on defense and a perfectly run offense to fit the team
reid has not earned any right to rebuild a team...hes the reason the teams talent base is as bad as it is now...he lived off ray rhodes guys for several....and when it was necessary to retool the defense he has failed miserably...and we dont even need to get into the wr thing
reid did his thing and has outlasted his welcome...even if you think reids a good coach sometimes you need an enviromental and philosophical change...this is that time
what's brain melting is watching the daily news.
yesterday they had on runyan, some wierd white guy who looked like a pedophile and a black guy with a mustache (sorry, don't know names).
runyan was like, if you fire reid, where are you going to get an established guy?
and pedophile guy was like, exactly! and even if you can't get an established guy, who thinks an "up and comer" will do any better? last year the chargers had a great offense and the assistant to s.d. is now a coach in miami and winless!
both of those fargtards tend to forget where reid came from. and reid wasn't even a farging o.c. so it's like they are protecting the guy from every possible angle.
only decent points were cowher and lurie/reid.
they said look at what happened to cowher and he came back and won. cowher did go retarded for the '03 (?) season and went all pass happy. but the point is, he changed, so, if we are stuck with reid, then that's our only hope. i know he's a stubborn Hoyda but...he did surprise us with t.o. thing is, i don't think this team is that bad. all you gotta do is run the ball and not have corky as your special teams coach and i bet this team is easily 4-2.
saddest point was that i think they hit the nail on the head about lurie / reid. they said the relationship between those two is stronger than what goes on, on the field. i think that's true. plus, like everyone else is saying, lurie bought this franchise for nickels and now it's worth a bazillion dollars. he has reid to thank for that and won't go away from that until "business is losing" and by that time, the team will be long destroyed.
indulge
all great fathers have 2 kids in jail at the same time
ahhh...the old cliche
All great fathers work 100+ hours a week and sleep at the office rather than going home to, you know, parent his kids.
"hey you...you boy, you"
"me?"
"yeah, you"
"my name is Britt, Dad"
"yeah, Britt. what's up?"
"nothing"
"sweet....well, off to work. stay in school"
"die"
If one of your requirement for a NFL head coach is that they are a good and attentive father. Then you will be looking for a long time.
They all neglect their families.
i put way more of the blame on ma dukes....andy is farging lacing the household with a multi million dollar salary...farging tammy better be tending to the kids at home better than she is...or should i say at all...
less facelifts and more time with the kids probably would have helped
I don't care, frankly. farg his idiot sons and his gold-digging wife and every other person in his life. But people that defend him as a person/father sinply because he coaches their favorite team need to be fed to the wood chipper.
And IGY, I agree to a degree, about Tammy. She's clearly just along for the ride. But both parents should take part in beating their kids into good behavior.
Threesome?
(http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8939/73113459sz3.jpg)
only if one of the three is an atomic bomb
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 11:56:47 AM
I don't care, frankly. farg his idiot sons and his gold-digging wife and every other person in his life. But people that defend him as a person/father sinply because he coaches their favorite team need to be fed to the wood chipper.
And IGY, I agree to a degree, about Tammy. She's clearly just along for the ride. But both parents should take part in beating their kids into good behavior.
a spelling error??? what what what???!?!??!
i love how britt said "hi mom and dad" when he was in cuffs and being taken away. it doesnt get much more obvious than that.
Shouldn't you be feverishly exercising your lips in anticipation of the time when you'll be kissing Big Red's fat ass as a sports reporter?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 11:49:38 AM
All great fathers work 100+ hours a week and sleep at the office rather than going home to, you know, parent his kids.
yeah and all fathers that only work 40hrs have perfect kids that do not get into any trouble right ? ::)
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 11:56:47 AM
I don't care, frankly. farg his idiot sons and his gold-digging wife and every other person in his life. But people that defend him as a person/father sinply because he coaches their favorite team need to be fed to the wood chipper.
And IGY, I agree to a degree, about Tammy. She's clearly just along for the ride. But both parents should take part in beating their kids into good behavior.
who is defending him ? the point is none us know the whole story behind his family life so nobody should be making such judgments especially when you're only making them because he's your team's coach.
rip him for farg-ups as the headcoach/gm all you want but just leave it there.
Nope. I'm judging him by his stupid farging kids too. Children are the product of many things but by far they are most influenced by their parents. And the proof here is in the pudding.
All parents with terrible children whine and piss and moan and claim that it isn't their fault that their children are pompous spoiled douches. 'We did everything we could except for spend time with them and punish them for misbehaving and teach them to respect others. What do you want from us?'
He's a bad parent and a bad coach and he needs to hacksawed to death.
Hacksaw!
(http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesD/duggan_hacksaw.jpg)
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 02:32:37 PM
Nope. I'm judging him by his stupid farging kids too. Children are the product of many things but by far they are most influenced by their parents. And the proof here is in the pudding.
All parents with terrible children whine and piss and moan and claim that it isn't their fault that their children are pompous spoiled douches. 'We did everything we could except for spend time with them and punish them for misbehaving and teach them to respect others. What do you want from us?'
He's a bad parent and a bad coach and he needs to hacksawed to death.
you got picked on by the rich kids in school didn't you ?
You wear shoulder pads to games, don't you?
Quote from: sean_sec227 on October 24, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
you got picked on by the rich kids in school didn't you ?
Rich kids, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all picked on me. And they all got the wood-chipper.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: sean_sec227 on October 24, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
you got picked on by the rich kids in school didn't you ?
Rich kids, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all picked on me. And they all got the wood-chipper.
No Bloods or Latin Kings?
Not according to Edie McClurg, no.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: sean_sec227 on October 24, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
you got picked on by the rich kids in school didn't you ?
Rich kids, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all picked on me. And they all got the wood-chipper.
Maybe if you were a little cooler like this guy, they would have left you alone.
(http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050114/165036__ferris_l.jpg)
In fact, they probably would have thought you were a righteous dude.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 27, 2007, 08:21:41 AM
In fact, they probably would have thought you were one righteous dude.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/261/000087997/ediemcclurg01.jpg)
Hit.
More fuel for the hate fire... (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-3-644/Who-s-First-To-Go--McNabb-or-Reid-.html)
QuoteWho's First To Go? McNabb or Reid?
October 31, 2007 2:47 PM
Eagles fans called off the death watch for at least one week after Sunday's 23-16 victory over the miserable Vikings. Last season taught us not to count out Philadelphia, but a loss to the Cowboys at home Sunday night might do the trick.
Jeff Garcia provided a huge spark for the Eagles last season, and neither the Cowboys nor the Giants ran off and left them. Both of those teams look like the real deal now, so the Eagles' margin of error is much smaller.
Oh, and one of Andy Reid's boys is headed back to jail for failing a drug test. With each arrest, we've heard at least a groundswell of support for the Eagles head coach to take a leave of absence -- or simply walk away for good.
Well, it's not going to happen. And no matter how poorly this team finishes, Reid shouldn't and won't be fired. He's led to the Eagles to the playoffs in six of eight seasons, and they have won seven more games (77)than any team in the NFC this decade.
As Les Bowen points out, Reid's much safer than starting quarterback Donovan McNabb. If the Eagles fall to 3-5, the cries for rookie Kevin Kolb will become louder.
And once the change is made, McNabb will officially check out. Even after the knee injury, he can still be an effective quarterback. It's just that he no longer forces teams to worry about him making plays with his legs. Some of you might recall Reid almost getting him killed in the face of a fierce Giants pass rush.
McNabb won't be able to run away from Cowboys defensive ends DeMarcus Ware and Greg Ellis, and that will allow head coach Wade Phillips to be more creative with his blitz packages.
I agree with Bowen that unloading McNabb is not the answer, but the Eagles would be foolish not to see what they could get for him. All we know at this point is that Reid has a lot more job security than his quarterback.
And that point hasn't been lost on McNabb.
i dont think cobb takes a snap this year but hes definitely not starting a game....and where are the cries to bench mcnabb in favor of him....i havent heard any
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2007, 08:56:11 AM
i dont think cobb takes a snap this year but hes definitely not starting a game....and where are the cries to bench mcnabb in favor of him....i havent heard any
yeah if there any cries its for feeley.
Watching TO flap his wings in the end zone is all I can take. farg this coaching staff. Fire the bastich!
Get rid of both of them... enough of this madness.
I'm still not giving up on Reid so quickly and the Eagles could still win the division. For instance, if the plane carrying the Cowboys happened to have a mid air collision with the plane carrying the taterskins over the Meadowlands when the Giants were practicing, AR would still have a shot at winning the division, and he's showed that he can turn things around before.
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 05, 2007, 01:33:58 AM
I'm still not giving up on Reid so quickly and the Eagles could still win the division. For instance, if the plane carrying the Cowboys happened to have a mid air collision with the plane carrying the taterskins over the Meadowlands when the Giants were practicing, AR would still have a shot at winning the division, and he's showed that he can turned things around before.
thanks, i needed that laugh! :-D
Reid the coach is not nearly as much to blame as Reid the personnel man today.
Jim Johnson had a great scheme against the Cowboys offense, though. Well done.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 05, 2007, 08:14:52 AM
Reid the coach is not nearly as much to blame as Reid the personnel man today.
Jim Johnson had a great scheme against the Cowboys offense, though. Well done.
jim johnson was a genius last night...blitzing dawkins and leaving TO wide open in the slot for the TD.
For what it's worth, Dawkins wasn't doing a very good job in coverage last night anyway.
the field was terrible and i saw him slip a few times.
at this point, the field is basically painted sand and dirt
mikell and considine at safety next year
holla
play action pass on 3rd and 16
Houdini Reid
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2007, 10:32:47 AM
mikell and considine at safety next year
holla
I don't think so. Mikell replaced Considine for the majority of the game. They said Considine had a shoulder injury. The last play he was in on was Whitten catching a TD, and Considine didn't make contact with anyone. I am hoping they finally caught that he is zesty.
They need to promote Paschal and see what he brings. Dawk and Mikell, and mix Paschal in. Considine is special teams material.
Considine got hurt on special teams...i know because i was cheering hard for him to die.
Quote from: SunMo on November 05, 2007, 10:44:57 AM
Considine got hurt on special teams...i know because i was cheering hard for him to die.
farg.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 05, 2007, 09:58:17 AM
For what it's worth, Dawkins wasn't doing a very good job in coverage last night anyway.
i dont mind blitzing him or even putting him in the box to help with the run but to line him up on TO and then have him blitz off of him only to leave TO wide open with no one else sliding over was just horrendous.
romo> bledsoe...they prolly just watched film from the first dallas game last season and assumed it will be the same.
if you watch that play where TO was free, kearse was dropping back (which madden missed). but instead of dropping back right away, kearse might have "faked it" a little too long and couldn't get back in the zone he was supposed to drop in quickly enough. we brought pressure both from dawk and the other side, but kearse just didn't get to his area quickly enough and we got farged hard.
i think someone mentioned it here before, i think i'd be ok with jason garrett as our head coach. it's hard to really get a handle on him bc of the talent they have vs the "talent" we have.
not to mention i thought it was smart on dallas' part to go 6 db's when we had 3 wr's out. reid ain't fooling no one. i bet the pats put out 11 db's and stubborn ass reid will still throw the ball off of play action.
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 05, 2007, 01:33:58 AM
I'm still not giving up on Reid so quickly and the Eagles could still win the division. For instance, if the plane carrying the Cowboys happened to have a mid air collision with the plane carrying the taterskins over the Meadowlands when the Giants were practicing, AR would still have a shot at winning the division, and he's showed that he can turn things around before.
That would be a distinct possibility if Corey Lidle were piloting all 3 planes.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 05, 2007, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 05, 2007, 01:33:58 AM
I'm still not giving up on Reid so quickly and the Eagles could still win the division. For instance, if the plane carrying the Cowboys happened to have a mid air collision with the plane carrying the taterskins over the Meadowlands when the Giants were practicing, AR would still have a shot at winning the division, and he's showed that he can turn things around before.
That would be a distinct possibility if Corey Lidle were piloting all 3 planes.
So then there's the game plan. Exhume Corey Lidle. I can already hear all the naysayers "just because the other teams are extinct doesn't mean Reid can still beat them" blah blah blah...but I did a little research and the Eagles would still clench (see # 12):
Three or More Clubs
NOTE: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step or are destroyed in a transportation mistake, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format.
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Best survival of air collision conflagration
13. Coin Toss
Whitlock with the "whites get off easier than blacks" commentary again (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7422108)
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Whitlock with the "whites get off easier than blacks" commentary again (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7422108)
His closing argument, though, is that Reid should step away from coaching.
So, I love the article. Yay Jason Whitlock.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Whitlock with the "whites get off easier than blacks" commentary again (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7422108)
I think there's a lot of truth to what he's saying in that article. But his quest to be the MLK of sports journalism is tired and played out.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 08, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Whitlock with the "whites get off easier than blacks" commentary again (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7422108)
I think there's a lot of truth to what he's saying in that article. But his quest to be the MLK of sports journalism is tired and played out.
Just like Reids coaching, hence the brilliance of the article.
Alright assuming that it is time for Reid to go, with whom do you replace him?
Bill Cowher?
Harbaugh or Morningwood step up...watch.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 08, 2007, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 08, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
Whitlock with the "whites get off easier than blacks" commentary again (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7422108)
I think there's a lot of truth to what he's saying in that article. But his quest to be the MLK of sports journalism is tired and played out.
Just like Reids coaching, hence the brilliance of the article.
Noted. But you know what I mean though. It seems like every one of Whitlock's articles over the last 5+ years has been trying to cause some sort of civil rights movement. And again, like Reid's coaching, he's a one trick pony.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2007, 08:35:17 PM
Bill Cowher?
As much as I think that would be a coup for the Eagles, I just don't know about the guy. He lost just as many Conference Championship games as Reid and it took him fifteeen years or so to win a Superbowl.
Who else is out there?
Do the Eagles snatch somebodies coordinator?
Who are some of the "hot" coordinators or College Head Coaches?
Anybody who is young, energetic, motivated and family-less would be acceptable.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 10, 2007, 02:39:49 PM
Anybody who is young, energetic, motivated and family-less would be acceptable.
Gruden
Does it really farging matter? It's a total crap shoot no matter who they sign. What I do know for sure, Reid will never win a SB with the Eagles, or likely any other team. Just about anyone else they could sign might.
Rex Ryan
I'd much rather have Harbaugh than Morningwood.
The detail that Harbaugh teaches with is good. I remember him pin pointing certain players would have to run like, sideways on a kick return so they wouldn't have a block in the back on a counter.
If anything it'll probably be farging Marty bc it'll be up to Lurie, and someone will go to Jeff, well, you know Marty used to coach?
Oh really...?
Yeah. and o.c. are often coaches.
make him coach then.
$#@%$@
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 11, 2007, 12:09:41 AM
Does it really farging matter? It's a total crap shoot no matter who they sign. What I do know for sure, Reid will never win a SB with the Eagles, or likely any other team. Just about anyone else they could sign might.
unless its someone like a morningwheg no it doesnt matter...get a new system in here run by someone who at least has the appearance of competancy and spend lots of money on scouting and player personel and ill def take my chances from there
QuoteRex Ryan
His stature has been growing over the last few years. The connection to Philly through Buddy would not be lost.
I still like Reid as much as his playcalling baffles and frustrates me I can't help but like a guy that has brought the most success any Eagles team has had in decades.
Young and energetic sounds good but whomever it may or may not be must bring a new attitude to the offensive line. Those guys should be dominating up front but they are being had in just about every way.
One of the biggest if not the biggest offensive lines in the league should be alowed to get in a rythmn and smash people in the mouth.
Jason Garrett
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2007, 05:41:46 PM
Jason Garrett
Now that's deep. Steal a cordinator off a division rival at the peak of his powers.
I got no problem with that Dallas offense being used in Philly.
Listened to the game online today but for the most part, it sounded like Reid called a pretty good game. Offense seemed to go into a lull in the 2nd quarter and didn't seem to be executing but for the most part, they seemed to move the ball consistantly. They were also 3-3 in the redzone today which is something that we haven't seen much of this year at all.
I'm the first to rip Reid apart for every retarded thing he does but I gotta give him credit when he actually does his job.
Not only stealing Garrett from a division rival, but it forces the Cowboys to make a move there.
Garrett is the apparent heir to the throne of HC. Interview him and offer him the job and it forces Jerrah to either fire Wade Phillips' loony ass or keep him and lose Garrett.
Hire Jason Garret. I'm driving this wagon.
LJ made a big difference, other than the fumble he had a really good game
Quote from: SunMo on November 11, 2007, 06:18:07 PM
LJ made a big difference, other than the fumble he had a really good game
Yep, this team needs a TE to run its offense well. I was telling my boy that all day today.
Although I wanted to stab LJ twice today....
Once for still not knowing how to carry the farging ball (sideline arm and quit slinging it out there)
Twice for celebrating like he's done something this year
Quote from: Displaced on November 11, 2007, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2007, 05:41:46 PM
Jason Garrett
Now that's deep. Steal a cordinator off a division rival at the peak of his powers.
I got no problem with that Dallas offense being used in Philly.
That Dallas offense has three recievers who are better than any of our recievers, an amazing TE, a very good offensive line and two good RB's.
So, if he could bring his team with him...
Leave TO and Jones. But I'd literally nut all over myself with a Westbrook/Barber backfield.
So would I...
I love Barber. And it still chaps my ass that the Eagles drafted Moats ahead of him.
Smith ahead of Witten
Moats ahead of MBIII
I'll give credit where credit is due. I think Reid called a good game.
Now just get Samuel, Suggs, Fitz.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2007, 07:58:44 PM
So would I...
I love Barber. And it still chaps my ass that the Eagles drafted Moats ahead of him.
Smith ahead of Witten
Moats ahead of MBIII
Pissed about Witten but not so much about passing up on Barber. It's not like Reid would have used him anyway. Barber would only be productive on this team if Reid weren't coaching it.
witten and barber are both vanilla type players....dallas is the best team in the nfc by far because they have the best qb in the nfc by far...they arent a whole lot different than the eagles used to be...yes they have more talent around their qb but in the end they are an average team with the best quarterback
igy is right, without Romo the Cowboys are... well, remember Drew Bledsoe's starts last year?
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 12, 2007, 12:11:01 AM
igy is right, without Romo the Cowboys are... well, remember Drew Bledsoe's starts last year?
Meh ain't so in love with Romo. Like E-cry Manning ( I call him E-cry because he cried his way out of San Diego) get the slightest pressure on him and he will put the ball up for grabs.
They basically have the same offense the Birds had in '04 (in terms of the pieces not philosophy ie. West Coast) . One great wideout with a couple non descript guys that can contribute in their roles and a good Te and effective Rb. That kind of versatility goes a long way.
Romo has made a believer out of me this year. That said, I don't think he's any better than a healthy Donovan McNabb. In fact, the plays he makes to Owens and the Cowboys' season in general are really reminding me of 2004. The Eagles were cruising until they played a great AFC team in Pittsburgh, just like the Cowboys vs the Patriots.
Dallas is probably going to the Super Bowl, and if the Patriots suffer a few key injuries, they could get a 6th ring. That would just be great, huh?
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 07:45:04 AM
Dallas is probably going to the Super Bowl, and if the Patriots suffer a few key injuries, then the Colts would kick Dallas' ass in the Super Bowl. That would just be great, huh?
Yes. Yes it would.
The Colts are not significantly better than the Cowboys, but Manning would likely rip the Dallas secondary to shreds.
Anyway, back on point... How about the Colts defensive coordinator, Ron Meeks?
Maybe he'd bring Raheem Brock back with him?
Romo made a believer out of me when he bungled the snap in the playoff game and then cried like a little bitch on the sidelines afterwards.
Good times.
By the way, no one's going to call out IGY for saying Marion Barber is "vanilla"? The guy is a freaking beast.
Coaching list:
Cowher
Garrett
Meeks
Wow... Honestly didn't even see it. I'm actually pretty surprised IGY would say that about Barber considering he's an "all the way" black man, dreads and everything.
Vanilla is the last word I would every use to describe Barber III. He's exactly the type of player the Eagles need more of.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 08:40:47 AM
Coaching list:
Cowher
Garrett
Rex Ryan
Meeks
Barber leads the NFL in broken tackles.
Cowher
Garrett
Rex Ryan
Meeks
Gruden
Quote from: Displaced on November 12, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
Meh ain't so in love with Romo. Like E-cry Manning ( I call him E-cry because he cried his way out of San Diego)
thanks! couldn't figure that one out!
lol!
what the hell has marion barber ever done in the nfl...he cant even beat julius jones out for a full time starting position...hes a nice player id take him on my team but jesus pump your brakes
Julius Jones starts, but Barber gets every important carry for that team.
exactly my point...the guy is the greatest thing ever but doesnt even start?
Nobody said hes the best thing ever. Its a blessing to have 2 backs like that. He wears down the defense as the game goes with his running style.
prime ex: last weeks out of the end zone run...ridiculous
I actually had a dream lastnight Reid was fired during the season. I got to see about a minute of the game today at lunch. Any how hopefully when I get back his ass will be gone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2007, 11:36:09 AM
what the hell has marion barber ever done in the nfl...
iirc, he lead the league in touchdowns last year?
edit: ha, ah...NO. he was third in rushing tds
Quote from: reese125 on November 12, 2007, 11:53:24 AM
Nobody said hes the best thing ever. Its a blessing to have 2 backs like that. He wears down the defense as the game goes with his running style.
prime ex: last weeks out of the end zone run...ridiculous
yeah hes really wearing those defenses down with the 12 carries a game he gets
I don't know about his football skills but the dude definitely gets props for having to lug around a first name like Marion all his life.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 12, 2007, 12:04:51 PM
I don't know about his football skills but the dude definitely gets props for having to lug around a first name like Marion all his life.
follow that up with Barbarian, and it doesnt sound that bad
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2007, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 12, 2007, 11:53:24 AM
Nobody said hes the best thing ever. Its a blessing to have 2 backs like that. He wears down the defense as the game goes with his running style.
prime ex: last weeks out of the end zone run...ridiculous
yeah hes really wearing those defenses down with the 12 carries a game he gets
I dont care how many carries he gets, when you got a squad out there beat down tired and this guy is coming at you, head and shoulders down--yeah, it will wear on ya
Why would Wade Phillips risk losing Barber with 25+ carries a game, when he has 2 healthy backs preparing for Super Bowl run? He knows who the better runner is, as does the rest of the team
Quote from: reese125 on November 12, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
I dont care how many carries he gets, when you got a squad out there beat down tired and this guy is coming at you, head and shoulders down--yeah, it will wear on ya
Why would Wade Phillips risk losing Barber with 25+ carries a game, when he has 2 healthy backs preparing for Super Bowl run? He knows who's a better runner
so wait is the defense already beat down and then they unleash the ultimate weapon on them...because before you said marion and his 12 carries was wearing the defense down...pretty sure dallas isnt wearing anyone down anyway...they are a quick strike big play offense
and now you say marion barber the brahma bull that wears the whole league down cant handle 20+ carries...hes rather give carries to the horrible julius jones
put another quarter in your ass cause youre playing yourself again
i'm not sure why it's a big deal, he's obviously better than Moats, who the Eagles took instead, the discussion should stop there
earl campbell aint got nothin on marion III
Quoteput another quarter in your ass cause youre playing yourself again
Wait, did you just ice grill me there?
Who said he cant carry it 30 times? They dont have to is what I said. Open your eyes cool guy, look again and stop trying to be a know-it-all. The fact your even arguing this is astonishing.
You need that quarter, so you can buy yourself a farging clue
Name 5 backs in the NFL today you'd rather have than Marion Barber III:
LT?
Westbrook?
Adrian Peterson?
Addai?
It's a stretch to name more than 4 or 5. He's a really good running back. He has decent agility and quickness to go with punishing power and leg drive.
Reid should have drafted him and, thus, should be fired.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 12:34:30 PM
Name 5 backs in the NFL today you'd rather have than Marion Barber III:
wow...are you for real
the guy is a top five back and his own coach has him splitting time with julius jones...again he gets 10-12 carries a game...i think reese gave you his football aids
marion barber is a real good goal line guy and not much else...hes a part time player...a real good one but to put him in the top five backs in the nfl is a bannable offense
Quotethe guy is a top five back and his own coach has him splitting time with julius jones...again he gets 10-12 carries a game...i think reese gave you his football aids
he has more carries and more yards and more TD's than Jones. Use your head, you sound farging stupid
im not saying hes a top 5 back either...and its time for Reid to go!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2007, 12:40:48 PM
wow...are you for real
the guy is a top five back and his own coach has him splitting time with julius jones...again he gets 10-12 carries a game...i think reese gave you his football aids
marion barber is a real good goal line guy and not much else...hes a part time player...a real good one but to put him in the top five backs in the nfl is a bannable offense
NFL rushing 2007 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/stats/2007/rushing/0_byRUSH_YDS.html)
Tied for 6th in YPC at 5.1. Tied for 4th in rushing TD's with 6. 0 fumbles lost.
Yeah, you're right. Argument can't even be made to say he's top 5.
Barber is a stud. everytime the guy gets the balls he seems to make something out of nothing. i don't understand why he's not starting, but whatever hes a cowboy, the more stupid decisions they make the better. who can complain with that?
i once saw marion barber punch a hole through a cow. it was amazing.
i was watching the giants cowgirls game last night, iirc, he leads the league in broken tackles. unless madden was just ad libbing.
Quote from: mussa on November 12, 2007, 12:59:22 PM
everytime the guy gets the balls he seems to make something out of nothing
This is true and was actually better with the typo.
Anyway, back on point... let's say goodbye to the guy that drafted Moats.
Could have had Sproles instead too, but I guess big red was too concerned about seamlessly transitioning from Westbrook to Moats.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 12, 2007, 02:01:13 PM
Could have had Sproles instead too, but I guess big red was too concerned about seamlessly transitioning from Westbrook to Moats.
Herein lies the problem with this regime (as I percieve it anyway).
There is an old saying used about some holy roller type Church goers: They are so heavenly minded; they are no earthly good. Well these guys are so future minded they are no right now good.
Case in point they let Trotter go when he was at the height of his powers and that decision probably cost them a Superbowl appearance that year.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 12, 2007, 01:01:07 PM
i once saw marion barber punch a hole through a cow. it was amazing.
HOLY COW!
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Still cracks me up to think how he had a different pronunciation for Mickey Morandini every time he came to the plate...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Still cracks me up to think how he had a different pronunciation for Mickey Morandini every time he came to the plate...
I can't hear another person say that name without hearing Kalas. Even when I say his name out loud I hear him.
Houston radio guys were talking about Harry this week after the Lidge deal. Bringing up the call of Biggio's HR off of Mouth.
"Maybe we'll hear Harry Kalas give us another "who cares" call after Lidge kills their season"
Dicks.
I remember that game. Good times scaring the crap out of roommates you just met.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Still cracks me up to think how he had a different pronunciation for Mickey Morandini every time he came to the plate...
You try and say Mickey Morandini after seven scotch and waters - before lunch.
Jason Garrett. Please.
This idiot continues to throw the ball in this slop.
Fire him.
3rd and 1 in the rain with a p.o.s. QB....let's throw it 20 yds to a diving LJ!
Nice 2nd down draw call with no timeouts and needing a score at the end.
Get outta here, Andy.
Hey, at least they still had all their timeouts to use, get the ball back, have Westbrook set up the winning score, and...
Hahaha. Stick a fork in this season, officially.
What did they throw - 41, 42 passes today? In the freezing rain? On a slippery field? With a QB who has shown to be dumber than shtein with his decision making?
Jesus christ this is maddening. If I am Westbrook I would be irate beyond belief.
Jason Garrett = HC next year
I love Westbrooks reaction, just rolling his eyes. Fire this fat dickface.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
What did they throw - 41, 42 passes today? In the freezing rain? On a slippery field? With a QB who has shown to be dumber than shtein with his decision making?
Jesus christ this is maddening. If I am Westbrook I would be irate beyond belief.
Jason Garrett = HC next year
Don't get your hopes up, Phreak. I'm afraid that AR is still here next year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
Jason Garrett = HC next year
I know you're all Texas through and through, but even your hick ass should know that Jerrah would rather pay Garrett $10 million a year than lose him to the Eagles. Deal in the real, Pimp Jay.
I know, Geo. The only way Reid is fired is if he's caught mounting up Christina Lurie. The only hope is that he resigns because of his sons. And then they likely promote Marty.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 02, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
Jason Garrett = HC next year
I know you're all Texas through and through, but even your hick ass should know that Jerrah would rather pay Garrett $10 million a year than lose him to the Eagles. Deal in the real, Pimp Jay.
I said that earlier when I brought up Garrett's name and to my Cowboy fan friend today. However, its still nice to hope. And the least it does is force Jerrah to make a decision. Fire the HC who, despite being a clown on the sidelines, has lead them to what they are doing this year and promote Garrett.
There is no way Andy Reid is fired. No way. Stop talking about it, it's not happening.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
What did they throw - 41, 42 passes today? In the freezing rain? On a slippery field? With a QB who has shown to be dumber than shtein with his decision making?
Jesus christ this is maddening. If I am Westbrook I would be irate beyond belief.
Jason Garrett = HC next year
Don't get your hopes up, Phreak. I'm afraid that AR is still here next year.
Count on it.
Face it. We are farged until we see true bottom. Maybe 4-12 for two years with Kolb as the starter after we let Westbrook go for his version of Reggie White redemption. And I wouldn't blame him. At best some lame-ass GM comes in while Andy deals with the home-front rectum tuck-and roll-but still keeps his job.
Lurie needs to grow a pair and shake this organization the farg up
Quote from: MDS on December 02, 2007, 04:12:34 PM
I love Westbrooks reaction, just rolling his eyes. Fire this fat dickface.
where did you see him do that?
i guess i missed it.
btw dallas would never ever let one of their assistants come to philly. unlike the eagles i doubt they wanna deal with their division rivals.
The only positive of them sucking is possibly getting season tickets
Yeah yeah it's time for Reid to go...but make him cut Feeley first.
The man is terrible. Sucks is the word that actually comes to mind.
He is Ecry Manning on crack.
Fire his fat carcass now.
Andy Reid didn't exactly call the best game, but the offense actually did pretty well minus the brainless contant throws into double coverage by Feeley. Lest week I put the blame on Reid, even though he ultimately called a good game. This week it's all on Feeley. Reid should have run the ball more, obviously, but the offensive game plan wasn't bad, Feeley just couldn't execute it.
Hooray for Kevin Kolb!
i agree with with rjs...ive been the biggest andy hater before there were andy haters but this week is ALL on feely...like i wanna kill andy but i cant simply because feely was that bad....they win the game easily with any other qb...including cobb
i hope all the douchebags that called wip last week and destroyed macnabb while annointing feely the next coming get shot in the femoral
Westbrook's punt return puts a big fat exclamation point on what an injustice AR has done to the return game this year. People like Devin Hester, BJ Sams, Dante Hall (in his prime) win games for teams just like Westbrook almost did today. The Eagles not only don't have anyone like that, but they lost a game because of this shtein. A complete failure by the head coach.
Quote from: SunMo on December 02, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
Westbrook's punt return puts a big fat exclamation point on what an injustice AR has done to the return game this year.
if he didnt learn after the giant game in 03 he never will....add it to the andy legacy....
how about josh cribbs in clev? they picked that dude out of nowhere. meanwhile, andy wastes draft picks on unathletic white outside linebackers.
i honestly believe he just figures donovan is superman. he doesnt need field position, he can do it. he doesnt need a running game, he can do it. he doesnt need wide outs, he can do it.
its the same retarded mentality that lead him to have a obviously past his prime david akers attempt a 49 yard fg on 4th and 5 today. just plain stupid.
to me its not even about aquiring a returner because he has the best returner in the league on his team and doesnt use him...its really inexplicable
but but but he he could get hurt!
What's inexplicable is calling 42 pass plays on a freezing cold and rainy day.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
i agree with with rjs...ive been the biggest andy hater before there were andy haters but this week is ALL on feely...like i wanna kill andy but i cant simply because feely was that bad....they win the game easily with any other qb...including cobb
i hope all the douchebags that called wip last week and destroyed macnabb while annointing feely the next coming get shot in the femoral
I can't agree with the both of you more. Feely in the course of a week went from a QB Savior to a complete moron. It's one thing to have a WR break off a route or to have a tipped ball but those picks were horrible.
I feel bad for Westbrook....he does it all and never complains. He set up us for a win yet Feely let him down.
Absolutely disgusting!
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2007, 03:41:09 PM
3rd and 1 in the rain with a p.o.s. QB....let's throw it 20 yds to a diving LJ!
Feeley had a running lane and easily could have made it, that was the worst part of that play.
Feeley was awful, there's a reason he's a backup QB. They didn't execute the plays but constantly coming out in empty backfields and shotgun formation isn't really disguising the offense a whole lot. The defense sucks too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
i hope all the douchebags that called wip last week and destroyed macnabb while annointing feely the next coming get shot in the femoral
People who did that, or even for one second thought that, don't understand or have never watched football in the NFL. Feeley can do some things. But putting a team on his back and passing 35+ times with him is a recipe for disaster.
I put this on Andy because he put Feeley in a position to make more mistakes by allowing him to chunk it 42 times in that slop.
Feeley blows, but Andy is the guy who gave him the keys to the car.
And the AJ over McNabb people should have shot in the Taylor a long time ago, like 2003.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2007, 09:12:21 PM
And the AJ over McNabb people should have shot in the Taylor a long time ago, like 2003.
Ha, Taylor is the new Johnson
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Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2007, 03:41:09 PM
3rd and 1 in the rain with a p.o.s. QB....let's throw it 20 yds to a diving LJ!
Feeley had a running lane and easily could have made it, that was the worst part of that play.
yep...i was screaming this all second half...he had unbelievble run lanes all game and wasnt taking them...he started to a little bit late in the game but could have taken advantage much earlier
Feeley didn't take those running lanes because he didn't want to be known as a running QB.
Exactly. He wouldn't want that "running QB" moniker to go with his "horribly ineffectual" one.
Why would Andy Reid make a good kidnapping victim?
He doesn't like to run.
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So, now that the season's officially over for the Eagles, what are the odds that we see Kolb for the rest of the games?
Oh, and hey Donovan, does the East still go through Philly or will you shut now?
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Donovan is, and still should be beyond this season, the QB of this football team. Keep Kolb on ice ala Rodgers in GB.
Reid and the GM need to find a WR who can gain some sort of separation. Reggie Brown, who I was totally wrong about, and Kevin Curtis could not beat two farging rookies at S, old ass Sam Madison or Aaron Ross. Are you kidding me? Disgusting.
Brown has been brutal all season. He's not good enough to be a #3 in this league.
Donovan isn't exactly on-target either. Don't make it sound like it's all the lame WR's fault.
Reid going is the #1 offseason need this team has. Far above any personnel moves.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 09, 2007, 08:35:44 PM
Donovan isn't exactly on-target either. Don't make it sound like it's all the lame WR's fault.
yep...good ol' #5 is partly to blame. he'll only throw the ball when a guy is WIDE open. no anticipation or timing whatsoever.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2007, 05:01:42 PM
Donovan is, and still should be beyond this season, the QB of this football team. Keep Kolb on ice ala Rodgers in GB.
McNabb is no Favre. GB has a reason to keep Rodgers in the wings... first, he's not that good and never was and Favre is a proven HOF QB that trusts his receivers to make plays and will take chances to win a game. McNabb does none of that and now, after all the injuries, is tentative and holds the ball even longer than normal. There's no reason to not see what Kolb can do in a game since the season's over for the Eagles. To not play him at all at this point is just stupidity or hubris on the part of Reid. They drafted him where they for a reason and that wasn't for him to ride the bench for years.
They shouldn't have even drafted him. But that's moot now, I guess.
I just don't think they should be in a rush to show 5 the door. I think its incredibly stupid to give up a QB of his caliber when you have big unknown.
I want Reid gone first but, if in some fantasy world that were to happen, I would expect immediate success from McNabb, or he can go.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2007, 10:38:30 PM
They shouldn't have even drafted him. But that's moot now, I guess.
QFT
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2007, 10:38:30 PMI just don't think they should be in a rush to show 5 the door. I think its incredibly stupid to give up a QB of his caliber when you have big unknown.
It's less about being in a rush to get rid of a McNabb and more about finding and efficient and effective QB which McNabb hasn't been for a few years now. I DO think they should keep him but the caveat to that is that they'd need a whole new offensive system for him to play in because it's been proven that he can't play well in the one that Reid runs now.
The marriage of Reid and McNabb is clearly over. If McNabb is going to stay, he needs a fresh new system to play under. Since they will never fire Reid, they need to start getting Kolb some reps once mathematically eliminated. If Kolb looks like he has something, and we can get really good value for McNabb then I say pull the trigger. I think we absolutely can get a first round pick for McNabb.
When the Vikings make the playoffs and get bounced early by a team focusing on stopping their run game and forcing Jackson to beat them, they will realize that a top notch QB can put them over the top. They will come calling for McNabb.
When the Ravens sit back and laugh at how they don't have one legit QB on their roster, they will come calling for McNabb. Same thing for the Chiefs as the Ravens. You know the Bears will be in the mix. Miami is always a possibility. They traded for Culpepper and Feeley.
There are going to be a good deal of teams all with heavy interest in McNabb, all bidding to acquire him. He is still respected as a top 8 QB in the NFL league-wide, and he'll be a full year recovered from his knee injury. The Eagles can get a damn good deal for him if the play their cards right.
McNabb was never a 40 + passing QB and now after the injuries will never be. Reids offense won't work unless he has a QB who can throw 40+ a game. As long as you have decent receivers a 40+ passing QB will get it to them. We have the perfect running back for the system, but is constantly underused. We have the O-line.
So right then and there you can clearly say this team is going nowhere soon. Unless we draft a QB high next year, which I can't see happening with the Kolb pick. We're literally farged for years to come if Reid stays head coach. Will they hang onto Donovan and put him in the frying pan again and again. The poor guy was asked to do too much and its led to his injuries. I hate to say it, cause a loved McNabb, but if Reeds staying, McNabb needs to go. If Reid goes, and we get a balanced offense or run first offense(please god happen!), I think McNabb should stay until this Kolb person learns.
All this Donovan hate is hillarious. The Eagles would be no where near a playoff game over the last six or seven years without him. Reid and his dumbarse system would have been out the door years ago without Donovan.
That man has covered a multitude of crap on this team. All this time he has had exactly one great WR, one half decent one and one good RB but the Rb is hardly used unless McNabb is out.
McNabb has gotten a raw deal just like other star Philly athletes before him. It's like all these teams are only interested in having one star that is good enough to sucker all of into believing and buying tickets and merchandise.
1. Donovan's psyche was not built for criticism. He doesn't respond well to it and he doesn't know how to use it to his advantage. That don't work in Philly.
2. Donovan and Andy Reid need to be broken up. They've been stink-palming each others' balls for so long that neither one can say an ill word about the other even when both are deserving. That common law marriage needs to be disbanded immediately.
i think besides mcnabb's rookie season and the early part of the 03 season i have never seen mcnabb look so bad. i mean i know the WRs are not worthy but i also have seen mcnabb make something out of worse WRs.
its just sad to watch because he is my favorite eagle. i just hope reid and company are smart enough to access if the mcnabb performance we have seen this season is due to the ACL alone or that he has seriously lost it.
i do not think he has lost it and think he needs 2 full yrs to recover plus some playmakers (even just 1) at the WR position. i remember the mcnabb of last season and compared to this season the difference is night and day.
i just hope its the recovery from the knee injury. and if is not i hope reid makes the right decision.
I dunno, Spadaro is starting to make the observation that the WRs just don't try and hard when McNabb is QB because they know McNabb probably won't find them. And considering that is a statement against Spadaro's interest, I tend to think it has some truth to it.
McNabb's bumbling around in the backfield doesn't work anymore. He's not fast enough to buy time in the backfield laterally anymore and he refuses to take running lanes up the field. Couple that with his inability to make quick decisions and you have the current mess.
There is no aggressiveness when McNabb is QB -- and I'm not sure if that is by design or McNabb refusing to take risks more so now than in the past. I'm thinking it is a combination of the two.
I think that McNabb is sick of taking shtein from Eagles fans, and just doesn't try very hard anymore.
Whatever, who gives a shtein. McNabb is done here, might as well figure out if Kolb can ever be the answer.
Quote from: Displaced on December 10, 2007, 06:05:43 PM
All this Donovan hate is hillarious. The Eagles would be no where near a playoff game over the last six or seven years without him. Reid and his dumbarse system would have been out the door years ago without Donovan.
That man has covered a multitude of crap on this team. All this time he has had exactly one great WR, one half decent one and one good RB but the Rb is hardly used unless McNabb is out.
McNabb has gotten a raw deal just like other star Philly athletes before him. It's like all these teams are only interested in having one star that is good enough to sucker all of into believing and buying tickets and merchandise.
Did you forget Garcia in 06 and Feeley in 02?
This team has done well without McNabb.
I'm not a McNabb hater at all, but it's kinda funny how whenever someone defends him, they always bring up things he did in the past. What have you done for me lately? You say the receivers suck? I say Feeley did fine with them this year. Sure, Feeley threw INTs, but that was Feeley's fault. Not the WRs.
Joe Gibbs was a great coach once upon a time too. Those days are long and gone. So are the days of McNabb being an elite QB.
... at least in Philly anyway.
Reid will have to put together three truly bad seasons before management fires him mist likely. Like it or not. Let the suffering begin...
Quote from: King Cole on December 10, 2007, 09:17:37 PM
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All this Donovan hate is hillarious. The Eagles would be no where near a playoff game over the last six or seven years without him. Reid and his dumbarse system would have been out the door years ago without Donovan.
That man has covered a multitude of crap on this team. All this time he has had exactly one great WR, one half decent one and one good RB but the Rb is hardly used unless McNabb is out.
McNabb has gotten a raw deal just like other star Philly athletes before him. It's like all these teams are only interested in having one star that is good enough to sucker all of into believing and buying tickets and merchandise.
Did you forget Garcia in 06 and Feeley in 02?
This team has done well without McNabb.
I'm not a McNabb hater at all, but it's kinda funny how whenever someone defends him, they always bring up things he did in the past. What have you done for me lately? You say the receivers suck? I say Feeley did fine with them this year. Sure, Feeley threw INTs, but that was Feeley's fault. Not the WRs.
Joe Gibbs was a great coach once upon a time too. Those days are long and gone. So are the days of McNabb being an elite QB.
... at least in Philly anyway.
Two worthless examples. Feely did nothing noteworthy whatsoever in '02. Garcia, on the other hand, was not some no-name bumb from nowhere. He was a Pro Bowl QB that went to hilariously awful teams before coming to Philly, where he also did nothing special.
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Quote from: King Cole on December 10, 2007, 09:17:37 PM
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All this Donovan hate is hillarious. The Eagles would be no where near a playoff game over the last six or seven years without him. Reid and his dumbarse system would have been out the door years ago without Donovan.
That man has covered a multitude of crap on this team. All this time he has had exactly one great WR, one half decent one and one good RB but the Rb is hardly used unless McNabb is out.
McNabb has gotten a raw deal just like other star Philly athletes before him. It's like all these teams are only interested in having one star that is good enough to sucker all of into believing and buying tickets and merchandise.
Did you forget Garcia in 06 and Feeley in 02?
This team has done well without McNabb.
I'm not a McNabb hater at all, but it's kinda funny how whenever someone defends him, they always bring up things he did in the past. What have you done for me lately? You say the receivers suck? I say Feeley did fine with them this year. Sure, Feeley threw INTs, but that was Feeley's fault. Not the WRs.
Joe Gibbs was a great coach once upon a time too. Those days are long and gone. So are the days of McNabb being an elite QB.
... at least in Philly anyway.
Two worthless examples. Feely did nothing noteworthy whatsoever in '02. Garcia, on the other hand, was not some no-name bumb from nowhere. He was a Pro Bowl QB that went to hilariously awful teams before coming to Philly, where he also did nothing special.
do not forget koy detmer. he had that one great game against san fran!
koy>mcnabb
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 11, 2007, 07:17:44 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 11, 2007, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: King Cole on December 10, 2007, 09:17:37 PM
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All this Donovan hate is hillarious. The Eagles would be no where near a playoff game over the last six or seven years without him. Reid and his dumbarse system would have been out the door years ago without Donovan.
That man has covered a multitude of crap on this team. All this time he has had exactly one great WR, one half decent one and one good RB but the Rb is hardly used unless McNabb is out.
McNabb has gotten a raw deal just like other star Philly athletes before him. It's like all these teams are only interested in having one star that is good enough to sucker all of into believing and buying tickets and merchandise.
Did you forget Garcia in 06 and Feeley in 02?
This team has done well without McNabb.
I'm not a McNabb hater at all, but it's kinda funny how whenever someone defends him, they always bring up things he did in the past. What have you done for me lately? You say the receivers suck? I say Feeley did fine with them this year. Sure, Feeley threw INTs, but that was Feeley's fault. Not the WRs.
Joe Gibbs was a great coach once upon a time too. Those days are long and gone. So are the days of McNabb being an elite QB.
... at least in Philly anyway.
Two worthless examples. Feely did nothing noteworthy whatsoever in '02. Garcia, on the other hand, was not some no-name bumb from nowhere. He was a Pro Bowl QB that went to hilariously awful teams before coming to Philly, where he also did nothing special.
do not forget koy detmer. he had that one great game against san fran!
koy>mcnabb
Mike McMahon took the Giants to overtime in '05 before losing to them where McNabb just lost to them in regulation. Therefore, he's the better Mc in my book.
McMahon > McNabb
did someone actually say feely did well this year?
im hardly the biggest mcnabb fan and yes hes hasnt been good this year but hes on a gimpy knee that wont be fully healed until the offseason and still i wouldnt say he himself lost any one game....
feely on the other hand single handedly lost two straight games with some of the worst interceptions youll ever see yet some people still find a away to say he did well this year....had mcnabb done what feely did in the new england and seattle games he would have had a mob outside his house...but feely gets a pass from many people...pathetic
All of you need to get laid.
I got laid this morning.
Errand?
Comparing McNabb to backups is unrewarding. More telling is exposing the teams performance today, vs tears-in-beer reminiscences of their salad days neglecting to factor that the level of competition in the conference, and most certainly their division, was horrid.
Remember the teams high-water mark - conf title game against Atlanta - which other than the win, was not a dominating performance? As well as the game before that and certainly the one after that. Even for that year how well did the team look after the Pittsburgh reaming?
I submit that the story behind the *best* days of Reid's Eagles was as much that point as anything else. Today, the team has been caught, passed, and thrown on the road side in tattered underwear buy resurgent competition.
Never has Reid's team beat an AFC playoff-bound team. Pathetic.
And not to let McNabb off the hook - in addition to his mediocre performance, Sunday was the first time in three seasons he played in December. Injury. Prone.
Tear it apart and yes, let's see Kolb for the entire last game.
forget afc playoff team reid has never beaten an above .500 afc team...i believe hes 0-14 or something like that
feeley is white
btw, that safety everyone couldn't wait to get rid of, Michael Lewis is having a great year
his numbers in 04 (pro bowl) and 05 were the following:
04: 88 tackles (74 solo), 0 sacks, 11 passes defended, 1 int
05: 107 tackles (93 solo), 1 sack, 6 passes defended, 2 int
his numbers this year through 13 games:
82 tackles (62 solo), 1.5 sacks, 4 passes defended, 2 int
if you take Considine's numbers and average them out to 13 games, they would've come out to:
57 tackles (44 solo), 0 sacks, 5 passes defended, 2 int
awesome
Fourth round compensatory picks > actual players
not with this team picking them.
San Francisco spends a lot of time on defense.
I'll admit Considine sucks worse, but plug Lewis in at SS, and the Eagles record is still 5-8 so far this year.
You cant use numbers like that to judge any DB.
Any good DB, teams usually stay away from anyway.
Lewis and Considine both suck.
interceptions and passes defended, i agree, but not tackles
tackles indicates an ability to come up and support the run, something the strong safety needs to do, and Considine can't do
Did I mention San Francisco spends a lot of time on defense?
Did I mention that the team stands to get a compensatory pick for Lewis?! Come on guys! 12 draft picks!
Truth be told, I was down on Lewis last year too. He got beaten several times deep over the course of a couple of games. The thing is that he was immediately demoted and so my last impression of him was giving up big plays while in the previous 2 seasons he had been solid at worst and stellar at best. Clearly he was better than Considine. Clearly.
Considine's better than Sean Taylor, barely.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 11, 2007, 01:40:27 PM
plug Lewis in at SS, and the Eagles record is still 5-8 so far this year.
lol
props to rjs for admittance
if you thought he got too much money then fine but the crowd of lewis blows...considine wont be any worse....ect ect....were wrong
if you think mike lewis sucks then you dont know football...just like if you bury a player for a couple bad plays you dont know football....its time to move on and find a replacement for considine instead of making yourselves look even sillier
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 11, 2007, 01:40:27 PM
San Francisco spends a lot of time on defense.
I'll admit Considine sucks worse, but plug Lewis in at SS, and the Eagles record is still 5-8 so far this year.
Lewis or Clinton hart should be starting on this team now GOLD STANDARD :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2007, 08:34:58 AM
feely on the other hand single handedly lost two straight games with some of the worst interceptions youll ever see yet some people still find a away to say he did well this year....had mcnabb done what feely did in the new england and seattle games he would have had a mob outside his house...but feely gets a pass from many people...pathetic
Speaking for myself, I don't think Feeley is better than McNabb precisely because of the boneheaded decisions you mention. Feeley is going to lose you more games than he will win. That doesn't change the fact that with the exception of those bone-head plays - entirely his fault - he was moving the team down the field much better than McNabb has. This isn't a compliment for Feeley, it is a criticism of McNabb.
all i was saying was that feely has not done well this year
I don't think anyone here has either.
I've done great this year.
I haven't, I've sucked this year... thankfully it's almost over.
Aw, don't be so down, TE. Maybe you'll get out of Texas in '08!
from spads latest article:
QuoteAccording to SI.com's Peter King, the Eagles have just over $17 million in salary cap money next season, which is toward the bottom of the pack (22nd) in the NFL. I'm sure the Eagles can maneuver some things and free up some money, but the point is that this team isn't in a position to go out and outspend everybody in the league. However, if there is a player the Eagles think they have to have, they'll make a run at him. I just don't know what kind of quality players are going to hit the market. Teams have a lot of money to spend if they want to lock up their own players.
i love it. so when the eagles do nothing again this off season the fans will be told "well because the eagles do not have as much money since they have all of their young mediocre talent signed thru 2011!"
I hope Reid gets fired ASAP. I heard somewhere that Les Miles is looking for a job.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 12, 2007, 07:37:22 AM
from spads latest article:
QuoteAccording to SI.com's Peter King, the Eagles have just over $17 million in salary cap money next season, which is toward the bottom of the pack (22nd) in the NFL. I'm sure the Eagles can maneuver some things and free up some money, but the point is that this team isn't in a position to go out and outspend everybody in the league. However, if there is a player the Eagles think they have to have, they'll make a run at him. I just don't know what kind of quality players are going to hit the market. Teams have a lot of money to spend if they want to lock up their own players.
i love it. so when the eagles do nothing again this off season the fans will be told "well because the eagles do not have as much money since they have all of their young mediocre talent signed thru 201"
PK isn't taking into account money that the Eagles could free up by putting guys like Kearse/Howard, etc. out on their asses. I do agree with him though that the market will end up rather dry by the time FA hits. With the salary cap going up like it does... more teams do have the money to keep their main FA's on the roster... or the flexibility to let go of lesser players to free up money.
Think about it... if PK is accurate and the Eagles' $17+ million currently ranks only 22nd in the league... who really doesn't have the money to keep their big name FA's around? Big name FA's like Bob Sanders will never see day 1 of free agency.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 12, 2007, 07:37:22 AM
i love it. so when the eagles do nothing again this off season the fans will be told "well because the eagles do not have as much money since they have all of their young mediocre talent signed thru 201"
no it will be "there werent any players we thought could help us but had there been we were in fine shape to go after them"
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 12, 2007, 07:37:22 AM
PK isn't taking into account money that the Eagles could free up by putting guys like Kearse/Howard, etc. out on their asses.
yeah but there are many other teams that can do the same
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2007, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 12, 2007, 07:37:22 AM
PK isn't taking into account money that the Eagles could free up by putting guys like Kearse/Howard, etc. out on their asses.
yeah but there are many other teams that can do the same
I know... that's why I said it 2 sentences later. ;)
Quote from: Munson on December 12, 2007, 07:44:10 AM
I hope Reid gets fired ASAP. I heard somewhere that Les Miles is looking for a job.
He doesn't want to move far, though.
A big chunk of that cap room better farging go to Westbrook.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 12, 2007, 07:56:14 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 12, 2007, 07:37:22 AM
from spads latest article:
QuoteAccording to SI.com's Peter King, the Eagles have just over $17 million in salary cap money next season, which is toward the bottom of the pack (22nd) in the NFL. I'm sure the Eagles can maneuver some things and free up some money, but the point is that this team isn't in a position to go out and outspend everybody in the league. However, if there is a player the Eagles think they have to have, they'll make a run at him. I just don't know what kind of quality players are going to hit the market. Teams have a lot of money to spend if they want to lock up their own players.
i love it. so when the eagles do nothing again this off season the fans will be told "well because the eagles do not have as much money since they have all of their young mediocre talent signed thru 201"
PK isn't taking into account money that the Eagles could free up by putting guys like Kearse/Howard, etc. out on their asses. I do agree with him though that the market will end up rather dry by the time FA hits. With the salary cap going up like it does... more teams do have the money to keep their main FA's on the roster... or the flexibility to let go of lesser players to free up money.
Think about it... if PK is accurate and the Eagles' $17+ million currently ranks only 22nd in the league... who really doesn't have the money to keep their big name FA's around? Big name FA's like Bob Sanders will never see day 1 of free agency.
or they would have to severly over pay which they would never ever do because they do not value anyone that much. not above the system.
so its going to be another off season with little to no moves and a draft with a lot picks but little impact.
yipee!
its pathetic that this FO claims to be cap salary wizards but rank near the bottom because they signed mediocre talent to long term deals. reggie brown recieved a extention too right?
i wonder which young player is going to get a useless extention this off season.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 12, 2007, 10:40:19 AM
or they would have to severly over pay which they would never ever do because they do not value anyone that much. not above the system.
its pathetic that this FO claims to be cap salary wizards but rank near the bottom because they signed mediocre talent to long term deals. reggie brown recieved a extention too right?
problem is its going to be difficult to even overpay this offseason and get the guy they want because other teams can overpay more than they can...plus with virtually everyone having lots of money this offseason due to the raising of thw cap the last couple years theres going to be lots of bidding wars which we all know the eagles dont partake in
the eagles would have you believe that they are locking up all their young players AND still have cap room....its kind of like how they brag about having paid more money for wide receivers over the last five years than any other team in the nfl
I still can't believe they extended Pinkston AND Lewis. Bunch of morons.
At least Pinkston could get open to make his drops.
In all fairness to the early extensions, Patterson IS leading the NFL in tackles by a DT. Not bad.
Quote from: Munson on December 12, 2007, 11:43:09 PM
In all fairness to the early extensions, Patterson IS leading the NFL in tackles by a DT. Not bad.
Patterson is having a pretty solid year and his play has been a pleasant surprise. He probably deserves to go to the probowl (or at least get strong consideration) but I doubt he will since he plays for a crap team.
Hell, Westbrook will only go to the probowl as an alternate. Which is flat out ridiculous.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 13, 2007, 06:53:59 AM
Hell, Westbrook will only go to the probowl as an alternate. Which is flat out ridiculous.
Behind who?
Peterson is the only name that comes to mind.
QuoteEagles Notes | Harbaugh to seek top job at UCLA
Eagles Notes
Secondary coach John Harbaugh will interview for a job that would make him a Pacific Ten rival of his brother, Jim.
According to a source close to the situation, John Harbaugh is a serious candidate to replace the recently fired Karl Dorrell as the head coach at UCLA. Harbaugh might interview for the job as soon as today.
Harbaugh, 45, spent nine seasons as the Eagles' special-teams coach before becoming secondary coach this season.
Harbaugh was considered one of the premier special-teams coordinators in the league. Three of his former assistants - Dave Toub in Chicago, Ted Daisher in Oakland, and the Eagles' Rory Segrest - have become special-teams coordinators.
"John wants to be a head coach someday," Eagles head coach Andy Reid said in this year's media guide. Reid said the job as secondary coach gave Harbaugh a chance to step out of his "special-teams mode."
Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL quarterback, just completed his first season as the coach at Stanford after spending three seasons as coach at the University of San Diego.
According to reports in the Los Angeles Daily News, UCLA also planned to interview former Bruins quarterback Rick Neuheisel, who is the Baltimore Ravens' offensive coordinator and a former college head coach at Colorado and Washington. The Tennessean of Knoxville reported earlier this week that Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow was a candidate. He previously worked as an offensive coordinator at Southern Cal.
A report on NFL.com mentioned Oakland Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin and Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards as possible candidates.
Harbaugh has been considered for jobs at Western Michigan and Boston College. His father, Jack, was the longtime head coach at Western Kentucky of Division I-AA, where he won a national championship in 2002.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3161057
Garrett Reid stuck in jail for Xmas.
QuoteNORRISTOWN, Pa. -- The oldest son of Eagles coach Andy Reid will not be home for the holidays. He will still be in the Montgomery County jail.
Twenty-four-year-old Garrett Reid was due to be paroled from prison on Christmas Eve, but Judge Steven O'Neill denied parole Tuesday.
O'Neill had intended to put Reid in an intensive drug court program, but that has been complicated by charges that Reid smuggled 89 pills into the prison the week he was sentenced for a DUI crash.
Deputy Attorney General Marc Costanzo said the charges are very serious and must be dealt with by the district attorney and Reid's lawyer.
O'Neill told KYW-AM in Philadelphia that Reid needs a treatment program for his heroin addiction and returning home does not appear to be an option at this point.
I think this is probably the first time Norristown has been named in a nat'l sports story since Tommy Lasorda won the world series.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2007, 07:15:41 AM
QuoteEagles Notes | Harbaugh to seek top job at UCLA
Eagles Notes
Secondary coach John Harbaugh will interview for a job that would make him a Pacific Ten rival of his brother, Jim.
According to a source close to the situation, John Harbaugh is a serious candidate to replace the recently fired Karl Dorrell as the head coach at UCLA. Harbaugh might interview for the job as soon as today.
Harbaugh, 45, spent nine seasons as the Eagles' special-teams coach before becoming secondary coach this season.
Harbaugh was considered one of the premier special-teams coordinators in the league. Three of his former assistants - Dave Toub in Chicago, Ted Daisher in Oakland, and the Eagles' Rory Segrest - have become special-teams coordinators.
"John wants to be a head coach someday," Eagles head coach Andy Reid said in this year's media guide. Reid said the job as secondary coach gave Harbaugh a chance to step out of his "special-teams mode."
Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL quarterback, just completed his first season as the coach at Stanford after spending three seasons as coach at the University of San Diego.
According to reports in the Los Angeles Daily News, UCLA also planned to interview former Bruins quarterback Rick Neuheisel, who is the Baltimore Ravens' offensive coordinator and a former college head coach at Colorado and Washington. The Tennessean of Knoxville reported earlier this week that Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow was a candidate. He previously worked as an offensive coordinator at Southern Cal.
A report on NFL.com mentioned Oakland Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin and Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards as possible candidates.
Harbaugh has been considered for jobs at Western Michigan and Boston College. His father, Jack, was the longtime head coach at Western Kentucky of Division I-AA, where he won a national championship in 2002.
Good for him. I wanna see him become a head coach in the NFL someday. Just not the Eagles, he's spent too much time under Andy Reid.
who else is interviewing? Norm Chow is another candidate which would be quite interesting when he goes up against Pete Carroll.
Quote from: Munson on December 19, 2007, 04:14:53 PM
Good for him. I wanna see him become a head coach in the NFL someday.
Why, exactly? What has he honestly done in his coaching tenure that's mildly impressive? The Eagles special teams were average under his watch, and the best part of them (Akers) is generally known as being self-motivated and taught.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 19, 2007, 04:19:27 PM
who else is interviewing? Norm Chow is another candidate which would be quite interesting when he goes up against Pete Carroll.
Al Golden is interviewing...he's already trying to bail on Temple
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Munson on December 19, 2007, 04:14:53 PM
Good for him. I wanna see him become a head coach in the NFL someday.
Why, exactly?
i can only assume you didnt see who made the post or you wouldnt be asking that
The Eagles led the league in 2001 & 2003 in special teams and finished 4th in 2004. The common denominator in those years was good players which the Eagles sorely lack now.
^^^^
yep
special teams coaches might be the most overrated thing in all of sports...they are a joke
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Munson on December 19, 2007, 04:14:53 PM
Good for him. I wanna see him become a head coach in the NFL someday.
Why, exactly? What has he honestly done in his coaching tenure that's mildly impressive? The Eagles special teams were average under his watch, and the best part of them (Akers) is generally known as being self-motivated and taught.
Because he was a half decent ST coach and he's been an assistant for a long time now. I've always liked him and I'd like to see him do good for himself somewhere.
My bad. I forgot I'm supposed to be an icehole at all times here.
Dont take it to heart Munson, Im sure FF is not an icehole. I bet right now he's at the local mall dressed as Santa spreading holiday cheer.....drunk out of his skull, fondling the hineys of little boys and girls again
You two make a cute couple.
You make a cute couple.
Talk of John Harbaugh deserving a head coaching job and nonsensical 19-year-old comebacks pretty much encompass that there's no debate left worth having on this thread.
Bye, Andy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 21, 2007, 12:41:51 PM
Talk of John Harbaugh deserving a head coaching job and nonsensical 19-year-old comebacks pretty much encompass that there's no debate left worth having on this thread.
Bye, Andy.
I wasn't saying he should get a HC job right away. I was just sayin I hope he works his way up to HC someday, and good for him if he were to get the UCLA job or whatever it was.
I'm 20 now, unfortunately.
And yes, my "comeback" was pure sarcasm, good job.
You actually had the upper hand briefly and squandered it nicely. Like the Eagles' special teams units.
Alright, now that was a bad joke.
It was. Just like Reid's run/pass ratio.
Zing!
Well, the firing of Billick in Baltimore should show and prove that no one is bulletproof in this league. Next thing you know Matt Millen will be out in Detroit. It's only a matter of time Reid!
typical reid year once again..except this time instead of winning the division and not beating the good teams he went 8-8 and couldnt beat the good teams...its numbers like the following that make me lol when reid blames injuries for this past season or tries to say that they arent that far off
2-7 against teams with winnings records
6-1 against everyone else
and he kept his streak of never having beaten an over .500 AFC team alive
He's going to get in the mix and try to do a better job there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2008, 12:54:48 PM...its numbers like the following that make me lol when reid blames injuries for this past season or tries to say that they arent that far off
2-7 against teams with winnings records
6-1 against everyone else
injuries can do that to a good team, no? reduce you to a mediocre team, one that loses to the good ones but still beats the bad ones?
just sayin'