Going into this draft, I was more ambivalent than I've been about the draft in a long time. I think that was because I felt great about last year's draft, and those guys just didn't produce like I'd hoped.
That said, I think this draft sucked it pretty hard. And nothing they do with the last couple of picks is going to change my mind on that. REALLY underwhelming.
Hey, it's a crapshoot every year, and a couple of these guys could be players-- there's no telling. But on first blush, man, what a rough weekend.
I'll be generous with a D.
Obviously, you never know with the draft...
That said?
F+
C-...the RB and DE pick save it from a D
C. So far, incredibly average. They filled their holes, just with the wrong guys at the wrong time.
Ill be the first to say F-.
Solid F
Quote from: Dillen on April 29, 2007, 02:21:04 PM
C. So far, incredibly average. They filled their holes, just with the wrong guys at the wrong time.
Wow...you're an easy grader.
The Kolb pick ruins the entire mood of the draft and makes you think every pick isnt good, but each pick after that one has good reasoning.
theyve done nothing to sure up positions we needed. as in possible future starters at LB and S. fargin F TO THE 5TH POWER
If Kolb is a good starter in 3 years: A+
If not: D
Tony Hunt does nothing for me. The DE and S picks were fair at best at the spots they came off the board...and that's the only positive I can take out of it. The Kolb pick doesn't bother me so much, but if they wanted to take him, they easily could have traded down. I don't think anyone else would have touched him until the third.
Quote from: mussa on April 29, 2007, 02:23:48 PM
theyve done nothing to sure up positions we needed. as in possible future starters at LB and S. fargin F TO THE 5TH POWER
So I just imagined them picking CJ Gaddis and Stewart Bradley? Even people on these boards must have imagined it too.
0.0
I wish I had more hands.......so I could give this draft 4 thumbs down.
Quote from: Dillen on April 29, 2007, 02:23:38 PM
The Kolb pick ruins the entire mood of the draft and makes you think every pick isnt good, but each pick after that one has good reasoning.
I'm with that. If the ND DE pans out that will elevate my view, but I'm WAY leery of their ability to evaluate dline draft talent.
I mean, at least last year there was the illusion that the draft could provide some short-term help. There isn't even that this year.
Considering the fact that I loved last year's draft and thus far hate this draft I'm going to give it an A+.
D
Solid DE and RB picks help.
I'll focus on the good in this post...
The DE is a meh pick.
The RB is a need pick that gets a big meh.
The safety from Clemson seems like he could eventually contribute, but is currently meh.
A+!
lol...and that's glass half-full.
I just don't feel that hot about any of these picks. A couple decent, but a whole lot of WTF?s.
D-
QuoteSS......Sean Considine.............Quentin Mikell
FS......Brian Dawkins
CB......Lito Sheppard.............Joselio Hanson
CB......Sheldon Brown.............BillyJim
im looking at that depth chart and im angry.
and then im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
usually after the draft im pumped for the season but right now...
this team always makes it so tough to be a fan.
In 2002 fans were on suicide watch after the first 3 rounds:
1 26 Lito Sheppard
2 58 Michael Lewis
2 59 Sheldon Brown
3 91 Brian Westbrook
That said I give it my high school math mark of D-
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
Stop it.
No way, 2002 had a much different feel. There were some that didn't want to go DB with the first three picks, but the players weren't the issue. This is a totally different feel.
C-
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 29, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
Stop it.
stop what? a part of me believes its not true but then this draft pick of KOLB makes no sense and this FO could be dumb enough to get rid of him.
Incomplete
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 29, 2007, 02:59:56 PM
Incomplete
Cop out. It's incomplete EVERY year. It's a grade as of what you know now.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 29, 2007, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 29, 2007, 02:59:56 PM
Incomplete
Cop out. It's incomplete EVERY year. It's a grade as of what you know now.
Testy, aren't we?
I'll at least wait until the actual draft is over. I'll admit, however, that I do not like what I am seeing very much.
Yeah, that 201st pick will really turn it all around....
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
and then im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
what the farg are you talking about?
Quote from: Zanshin on April 29, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
Yeah, that 201st pick will really turn it all around....
You
are testy!
I went from draft boner to draft innie. So, I guess that's a B?
I think they got some good talent at the end of the draft, but the Kolb pick still makes me sick. Just trade back again, he would have been there early 3rd rd. I give this draft a C-.
farg it, D+ for not trading any players for picks, Moats, Dhani, GLew, Holcomb. farg you ANDY
trade kolb to a team that needs him and get another wide receiver
F-----
whats makes it especially bad is the fact that they made a great trade by moving down from 26 and then absolutely farged it up
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
F-----
whats makes it especially bad is the fact that they made a great trade by moving down from 26 and then absolutely farged it up
Does it bother anyone else that every other team got 1st rounders in 2008 for the same trade. I think they farged that up too
Ha, Mort just called the Eagles the Biggest losers of the draft :-D :paranoid :'(
thats because they are , it has to be a F
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2007, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
and then im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
what the farg are you talking about?
well im trying to read between the lines. picking a QB as your first pick makes no sense. not this yr, but i wouldnt be shocked if mcnabb is traded after this season.
btw i wouldnt really go by what these so called draft experts grade our draft. last yr we had a A grade from most ppl.
aside from the 1st pick, the guys they selected could pan out and help right away or in a yr or 2. you cant really grade right now unless you go purely on what is projected.
with that said i give it a F because IMO we needed to address the safety, LB, and Dline positions and not with later picks but with the first few picks.
They did address LB (1st 3rd) and Dline (second 2nd - which is really just their 2nd) within their first few picks... they just wasted their very first pick which should have been a CB or S. The 1st pick the did just leaves a cloud over everything else. Looking at it as a whole, I still hate the Kolb pick but I think the draft was solid if not "exciting". The filled some needs, got some depth. If half the draft class pans out they did well today.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2007, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
and then im hearing about mcnabb being let go/traded soon and im angry.
what the farg are you talking about?
He's worried about Eckel
Quote from: TexasEagle on April 29, 2007, 06:18:27 PM
If half the draft class pans out they did well today.
which would be 50% better than last year's awesome draft :yay
I was thinking about the Kolb pick. We've seen it happen twice where McNabb goes down and the backups play well to keep the team going except this time they might expect this player to supplant McNabb when that happens. With a young player that could be in a few years but that tells me that they are preparing for a future without McNabb one way or another.
Outside of the Kolb pick I give it a C.... If I factor Kolb in I just don't know what to think. Maybe they know something about McNabb and his injury that we don't and this pick makes sense... Maybe not.
so this is what we got:
1 26 (Traded to Dallas)
2 36 (from DAL via CLE) - QB Kevin Kolb :boo
2 57 - DE Victor Abiamiri ?
3 87 (from Dallas) - LB Stewart Bradley :boo
3 90 - RB Tony Hunt :yay
4 125 (Traded to New Orleans)
5 159 (from Dallas) - C.J. Gaddis :yay
5 162 - TE Brent Celek :boo
6 201 - CB Rashad Barksdale ?
7 236 - RB Nate Ilaoa :yay
C-
If we would've taken say Houston, Harris, Jarrett or Woodley at 36, then this would get a majority B+ draft and some would even give it an A.
But because of Kolb and the utter shock and disappointment from months of anticipation it is getting lower than it deserves. Was Kolb stupid? Yes, now it seems so, but if McNabb tears up his knee during the season, AJ Feeley stinks it up and Kolb comes in and goes wild, then it looks like a very smart move.
Still, it was done for the future and/or insurance, which isn't "going for it."
So with one bad pick and needs addressed with the rest of the picks I have to give it a C-. To me the only way you warrant a D or less is if you reach for a lot of picks and don't pick for need.
If the first pick plays well, then it's a good draft. Got it.
Stop posting.
If McNabb goes down and Kolb comes and plays great(after Feeley of course) then I don't think anyone will regret the move.
Big if though, which is why I don't like the pick.
I'll make Zanshin happy... ;)
No, I don't like the draft strategy, either. Taking a QB as the first pick tells me one of two things:
1. McNabb isn't progressing like expected from the injury.
2. The Eagles are planning on getting rid of McNabb sometime in the next 2-3 years.
As for the rest, the Eagles did address need areas, but the question remains as to whether they have addresses those areas with quality players. By and large, the Eagles seemed to be drafting "from behind," taking players a tier or so below the top-graded prospects at each position.
I won't pretend to know more about drafting or these players than the Eagles' front office, but at first glance I can't help but be disappointed in this draft. Hopefully, when the season rolls around, the front office will be proven to be on target with their selections. Until then, I have to grade this a...
D
I wouldn't see Kolb really being ready to play this year in any case, possibly not next year as well.
A+!
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Philadelphia Eagles. After S Brandon Meriweather got snatched away by New England, the Eagles traded out of Round 1 and took QB Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb's heir apparent. They nailed their next two picks, DE Victor Abiamiri and OLB Stewart Bradley, who should start as rookies.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 07:50:38 AM
What are they smoking? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=gradingthenfldraft&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
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Philadelphia Eagles. After S Brandon Meriweather got snatched away by New England, the Eagles traded out of Round 1 and took QB Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb's heir apparent. They nailed their next two picks, DE Victor Abiamiri and OLB Stewart Bradley, who should start as rookies.
wow, i cant believe they had the Pats with a low grade.
borderline D+ to C-
b
the only "questionable" pick was kolb.
I gave them an F+ yesterday.
Now, taking a step back and re-thinking...
2a - Kolb:
I really like what I'm hearing about him. Plus, as we saw, even A.J. Feeley can run this offense effectively if brought along slowly, which Kolb obviously will be. That said, taking a QB at #36 is a luxury I don't believe the Eagles could afford with depth problems and holes elsewhere. Still, if Kolb does take over in a couple of years and lights it up...
I have to give this pick a D. If they'd taken him at 26, it'd have to be an F.
2b - Abiamiri:
Well, it's not as if the depth at DE has proven to be stellar after injury the last few seasons. Darren Howard was a disappointment for about 12-13 games and played well in 3-4. I'm not overly excited about this "vanilla" pick, but taking a DE at this point in the draft is ok. C.
3a - Bradley:
Let's face it - if the guy was black and ran a sub-4.6 40, we'd all love the pick. IMO, any pick which makes Dhani slightly more expendable and will allow Takeo Spikes to play at his natural position (WIL) is a win. If either Bradley or Gocong have a future, the LB's are in ok shape. Still, the guy is a white-bread and possibly quite unathletic. C+ for need.
3b - Hunt:
I'm a PSU alum and a big fan (obviously, as you all know), and I really like the way Hunt runs. It's basically a polar opposite of Westbrook. While the PSU offense has a reputation for not using RB's to catch, the offense put in under Galen Hall is much, much different than it had been... so most of those pundits are out of touch. Basically, Hunt is a lot like Duce Staley. He will flatten people in pass protection, he will truck people, but he occasionally will show a sick move and prove his agility. Bye bye Moats. B.
5a - Gaddis:
Finally, the defensive backfield was addressed in the draft. Gaddis is a former QB, so you have to figure he's a natural fit to play safety. The Eagles are putting him right in as the understudy for Dawkins at FS, while Considine and Mikell will fight for playing time at SS. Considering need and value, this is my favorite pick of the draft. B+.
5b - Celek:
This pick actually angered me quite a bit, but it's obvious there's a high likelihood the Eagles will need another TE for 2008. That said, the backwards goodness in it is that Celek could suck so awfully that the Eagles feel compelled to sign L.J. I still don't like the pick at all, but it's a late 5th rounder, so... whatever. D+.
6 - Barksdale:
Like the Gaddis pick, this is good value for late in the draft. The Eagles already have their top 4 CB's in place for this year, but Barksdale could very easily be the 9th DB and make the team. He's obviously a raw athlete with enough size to be dangerous, but he needs to be brought along slowly to be effective, which the Eagles can do. This makes a lot more sense than going CB too early... but I still probably would have rather had Chris Houston at #36. B.
7 - Ilaoa:
Why not? Worst case, you waste a 7th rounder on a guy that can't stay at an effective weight or simply can't cut it in the NFL. Best case, you draft a tank... a guy who can punish opposing defenses. A dream trio of RB's would be a guy like this, a guy like Hunt that does a little of everything, and a guy like Westbrook. That's unlikely to happen, of course, but I like that the Eagles took 2 RB's and no WR's in this draft. It's about time to realize that building on the running game is how most Super Bowls are won. B.
So, I give this draft a C-. When the first pick has precisely zero chance of helping the team win this year and only slightly more next year, it's below average at best... but the rest of it was fine. I don't know enough about the other players drafted (except Hunt) to judge the Eagles on talent evaluation yet... but they filled every position they needed to fill, and they didn't take a single OL or WR.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 07:50:38 AM
What are they smoking? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=gradingthenfldraft&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
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Philadelphia Eagles. After S Brandon Meriweather got snatched away by New England, the Eagles traded out of Round 1 and took QB Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb's heir apparent. They nailed their next two picks, DE Victor Abiamiri and OLB Stewart Bradley, who should start as rookies.
The media is loving the chance to count Donovan out as a lost cause. Frankly, I'm hoping he sees this pick as a direct challenge to his "throne" and he plays accordingly... with fire. When he throws up in the huddle, I want him projectiling it in the face of the last guy that missed a block. PLAY ANGRY, Donovan.
McNabb will never show any emotion. It's not how he do.
Well, then he has one more year before he gets supplanted by the guy with the hot little blond wifey.
What's irritating is not the actual player, like many have said, he seems to be a guy that can be something in this offense in the future.
What's so farging maddening is their insistence that there are no pressing needs, especially on defense. Sean Considine is going to be the starting safety this year, and that pisses me off enough to kick a baby.
Good thing your own children aren't babies anymore. That would be terrible technique.
I have a feeling we'll see a LOT of Mikell on the field this year.
with the gocong abarimani and bradley picks of the last two years youd swear they are going to a 3-4 set this year
...except they have absolutely no one to play nose tackle.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 30, 2007, 08:55:23 AM
McNabb will never show any emotion. It's not how he do.
Nice grammerz.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 09:18:45 AM
with the gocong abarimani and bradley picks of the last two years youd swear they are going to a 3-4 set this year
Good point, both Gocong and Bradley seem like they would be prototypical 3-4 ends/lb's. I'd love to see them actually switch it up this year and get a page or 2 of 3-4 d, even if it just is run effectively in practice to make the Offense have more experience.
C - they addressed DE, LB, S and bigger RB's. Whether the players work out or not is a different story, but I atleast like that they attempted to get some fresh blood in there at those spots.
C
As in we won't be c-ing a Superbowl soon.
With the trade out of the first round and picking a QB in the second I'd have to give this one a D.
They did get some talent that may surprise in the future but no starters here.......
i dont agree with him but kiper said anthony spencer is gonna be the nfl defensive rookie of the year and the eagles biggest mistake of the draft was letting a division rival jump up and get a guy that suits their defense perfectly....he also said kolb was a fairly big reach
c- was his grade for the team
You neglect to mention that D was the lowest score. You had to get to the bottom of the page to find the Birds, right above the Skins.
cbssportsline...
Philadelphia Eagles
Best pick: I love the pick of running back Tony Hunt in the third round. He is a pound-it runner who will help spell Brian Westbrook.
Questionable move: Taking Kevin Kolb in the second round. They have a slew of backups behind Donovan McNabb, and this was a bit early.
Second-day gem: Tight end Brent Celek, the fifth-round pick, has some skills. Just take a peek at his 83-yard catch for a score against Rutgers last year.
Overall grade: C. They traded out of the first round, so their first pick was a quarterback who will be fourth on the depth chart when camp opens. I did like Victor Abiamiri later in the second round.
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fox sports...
Grade: B+
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Czar's breakdown: I heard Eagles coach Andy Reid say all the right things on both television cable networks, but it made no sense to take Houston quarterback Kevin Kolb with their first pick (36th in the second round) unless there are real concerns about Donovan McNabb. Kolb is a fine player and was rated somewhere between the fourth and sixth best quarterback in this draft, but the best he will be this season is a third stringer. The Eagles have more needs than a quarterback that will hold a clipboard all year long. Teams also criticized their next picks, Notre Dame DE Victor Abiamiri and Nebraska outside linebacker Stewart Bradley. Both kids might be productive players, but neither figures to press the starting lineup this season. Two picks that rate some positive consideration were Penn State running back Tony Hunt, a tough inside runner, and Clemson safety C.J. Gaddis. Both of them were highly productive college players and they should be quality reserves
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nbc sports.....
A-
I love trading out in the first round, where the value wasn't there. Kevin Kolb was a bold pick, but Andy Reid deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to quarterbacks. They have the roster that can handle such a pick. I loved their round three picks: Stewart Bradley and Tony Hunt were steals. Hunt is a guy to watch when Brian Westbrook gets hurt.
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SI....
EAGLES -- D
The first-round pick went to Dallas so the Boys could bring Spencer in to hunt down McNabb. Now they're at F and have to work their way up. Second-round draft, QB Kevin Kolb, schooled in a passing system, is not supposed to take McNabb's job away, but maybe they figure this is injury protection. OK, now they're up to D-. Seven more picks, none of whom thrill me, lifts it the other half a point.
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usa today...
Philadelphia *
Lacking a first-round pick for the first time since 1992, the Eagles added an unneeded backup QB in Kevin Kolb with the 36th pick. They got DE Victor Abiamiri with an additional second-rounder, but defense should have been the early priority.
– Philadelphia: Not sure if anyone predicted Philadelphia would spend its first pick on a quarterback (Kevin Kolb of Houston). There were already two former starters on the roster behind the sometimes-embattled Donovan McNabb. Andy Reid has already said Kolb won't compete for McNabb's job, but does anyone expect Eagles fans not to take his selection as a sign that McNabb's days are numbered?
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yahoo...
Philadelphia Eagles: Quarterback was a need, but No. 36 overall? And Kevin Kolb? It seemed like a bit of a stretch. Most teams seemed to like him in the third round, and taking him this high is only going to create more questions about Donovan McNabb. When the Eagles finally did address the defensive end need, they tabbed a guy without great speed in Victor Abiamiri. Third-rounder Stewart Bradley is slow and seems more suited to a 3-4 defense in the NFL. Running back Tony Hunt is a big back that offers good value in the third. It's hard to believe the Eagles didn't take a single wide receiver in this draft or take a stab at Seattle's Darrell Jackson or Oakland's Randy Moss – both of which moved for only fourth-rounders.
Grade D
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draft countdown...
kolb - Not only is this a reach but what kind of message are they now sending to Donovan McNabb?
abiamiri - They have quite a few issues at defensive end and I really like this guy so he could be a steal.
bradley - They traded for Takeo Spikes but he is getting older so this is a youngster to groom.
hunt - Isn't flashy but he is a big, bruising runner who will really compliment Brian Westbrook
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john clayton and his #5 bad decision of the draft...
5. The Philadelphia Eagles traded out of the first round with the Cowboys, who took defensive end Anthony Spencer. The Eagles used the 36th overall pick (their first pick in the draft) on Houston QB Kevin Kolb when QBs Drew Stanton, John Beck and Trent Edwards were all still on the board.
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kiper....
Philadelphia Eagles: GRADE: C-
First, they made a trade with the Cowboys, who used the pick on defensive end Anthony Spencer. Then, the Eagles used the 36th overall pick (their first pick in the draft) on Houston QB Kevin Kolb when QBs Drew Stanton, John Beck and Trent Edwards were all still on the board. I thought Kolb was a reach because he reminds me of Kyle Boller. Defensive end Victor Abiamiri was a good pick in the second round, and linebacker Stewart Bradley was a decent choice in the third round. Running back Tony Hunt was a good third-round pick; C.J. Gaddis, I thought, would have been a priority free agent instead of a fifth-rounder; Brent Celek is an average tight end prospect; and cornerback Rashad Barksdale will battle for roster spot.
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sporting news...
Philadelphia Eagles. After S Brandon Meriweather got snatched away by New England, the Eagles traded out of Round 1 and took QB Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb's heir apparent. They nailed their next two picks, DE Victor Abiamiri and OLB Stewart Bradley, who should start as rookies.
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charlie casserly...
Philadelphia Eagles
They surprised everyone by taking a QB in the second round. Not necessarily Kevin Kolb, who was ranked second behind Brady Quinn by at least one team and a number of teams I talked with, liked him. Kolb has been a very productive QB who has operated out of a spread offense from the shotgun formation. He has the physical skills and the smarts to play in the NFL.
The big issue is whether he can convert to a normal timing offense in the NFL. Philadelphia thinks he can, others I talked with said they were concerned about this. The Eagles did a great job getting QBs to play well during Andy Reid's regime, so do not bet against him.
The next few picks were less controversial and they were all solid picks. I especially like RB Tony Hunt in the late-third round. He is a big, physical back who has good instincts but lacks some speed. The Eagles needed a bigger back to go along with Westbrook and Hunt is that back. Victor Abiamiri gives them a good DE to develop, as both Kearse and Howard are older and have injury problems. Interestingly, in '05 he outplayed Winston Justice — their '06 second-round pick when Justice was at USC. OLB Stewart Bradley, who they got in the third round is a physical linebacker who has a chance to develop into a SAM LB.
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i love how fox sports rips everything they do and then gives them a B+...ha!
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 08:23:24 PM
i love how fox sports rips everything they do and then gives them a B+...ha!
They follow the middle school philosophy... A's for all except the real brain-deads. B+'s for them!
and kiper murders them yet gives a c
Reviewers are Hoydas. Doesn't matter what they're reviewing, if they're being paid for it they're going to wuss out. Nothing ever gets less than 75%.
And that Sports Douche on SI called the draft of Lito, Sheldon, and Mlew a F. Noone knows what this will be like a next season or 4 years from now. I just cant wait until the season starts up.
Wow, that was great IGY. Lets see last years...and how about the year Lewis, Sheldon and Lito were picked?
Nearly every one of those geniuses declared the Eagles draft in 2006 an unqualified success. Didn't quite work out that way yet, did it?
And remember when they pretty well all ripped the Eagles for taking three defensive backs when they already had Taylor and Vincent & Dawkins?
I'm not saying I disagree with the middle of the road grades but the high ones and low ones are pretty laughable. Then again, so are most of the pundits who trowel out that tripe every year.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PM
Nearly every one of those geniuses declared the Eagles draft in 2006 an unqualified success. Didn't quite work out that way yet, did it?
And remember when they pretty well all ripped the Eagles for taking three defensive backs when they already had Taylor and Vincent & Dawkins?
I'm not saying I disagree with the middle of the road grades but the high ones and low ones are pretty laughable. Then again, so are most of the pundits who trowel out that tripe every year.
they all are...especially the stable of 20 some analysts ESPN employs. i only enjoy the break down of film by Jaws from time to time but most of them are just paid to be loud and make stupid predictions.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PM
Nearly every one of those geniuses declared the Eagles draft in 2006 an unqualified success. Didn't quite work out that way yet, did it?
And remember when they pretty well all ripped the Eagles for taking three defensive backs when they already had Taylor and Vincent & Dawkins?
I'm not saying I disagree with the middle of the road grades but the high ones and low ones are pretty laughable. Then again, so are most of the pundits who trowel out that tripe every year.
2006 was potentially a great draft year. Sure, Bunkley ate ass, but it's still too early to declare him a bust. Justice and Jean-Gillis have potential, and make great back-ups. Gaither earned his paycheck. Ramsey looked good and then disappeared for no obvious reason. Bloom was a flier all along, and Gocong was kind of a WTF? pick from the get go. But that draft still has huge potential, and I think was very solid. 2007 don't look so hot, from the get go. I'll root for the team even if the best player on it is Hank Baskett, so I'm hoping they know more than I do (Hell, I would've taken Akili Smith over DMac, shows you what the farg I know).
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 08:42:07 PM
and kiper murders them yet gives a c
Note how Clayton took his value chart directly from Kiper. And wasn't Kiper high on Boller coming out of college? Is he claiming he learned his lesson because of that? Ghay.
BTW, Drew Stanton is garbage and will prove it.
Yeah, they showed Stanton's pro-day workout on NFLN and Mayock was all over it. Dude threw exactly zero spirals during the whole workout and Mayock was like...if he canot throw a spiral in shorts and a shirt why is he being drafted 43rd overall?
Grading an NFL draft the next day is like grading your lottery ticket right after the machine prints it out.
Big, deep ditch + bulldozer pushing bodies of "draft experts" into ditch x filling ditch = a perfect draft for me
We can bring this back up in January of 2009.
It's funny how most of the people who say we took Kolb with Beck, Stanton, and Edwards on the board. 90% of those people never saw any of those QBs play.
Quote from: King Cole on May 01, 2007, 04:18:53 AM
It's funny how most of the people who say we took Kolb with Beck, Stanton, and Edwards on the board. 90% of those people never saw any of those QBs play.
how true. shtein, i was in my local Long's Drugs this evening and stopped by the magazines. I looked at three of the draft publications and all three were raving about Kolb. They loved him. Yes, it was one hell of a curve ball but I can live with it.
ya'll gonna luv Ilaoa.
And wasn't Kiper high on Boller coming out of college?
actually no he ripped him...he was the one who always questioned how a barely 50% passer in college would ever be successful in the nfl
funny how everyone this year goes out of their way to kill all the pundits because some of them didnt like the eagles draft...yet look at the draft thread on here last year...all a's for the team and no mention anywhere of how clueless all the experts were...couldnt be because the eagles draft was universally lauded (and rightfully so) last year could it??
no grade from me. I learned a lesson from last year's draft: stop wasting time getting worked up about the draft
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 01, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
Grading an NFL draft the next day is like grading your lottery ticket right after the machine prints it out.
I actually like that analogy quite a bit.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 06:22:03 AM
And wasn't Kiper high on Boller coming out of college?
actually no he ripped him...he was the one who always questioned how a barely 50% passer in college would ever be successful in the nfl
funny how everyone this year goes out of their way to kill all the pundits because some of them didnt like the eagles draft...yet look at the draft thread on here last year...all a's for the team and no mention anywhere of how clueless all the experts were...couldnt be because the eagles draft was universally lauded (and rightfully so) last year could it??
Well, Kolb was nearly a 70% passer and his arm seems much more accurate than strong.
Frankly, I don't see the comparison at all, but only time will tell.
qb's are ridiculously hard to grade
kolb could just as easily be drew brees as he could tim couch...and no one including andy reid knows which its gonna be
Reid did pick Donovan over Couch, Akili Smith and Cade McNown, IGY. He has areas that he's weak in but spotting quarterback talent coming out of college doesn't appear to be one of them.
You're gonna credit Reid with that Rome? You really think he saw that Couch Smith and McNown wouldn't do jack, but that McNabb would be the man?
Come on. LUCK.
Yes, I am going to credit Reid for picking McNabb. I'm going to credit him even more for making Donovan a perennial Pro Bowler. And let's not forget that Reid was Brett Favre's position coach in Green Bay during Favre's glory days.
That's two of the best quarterbacks of this generation he's had a direct hand in either selecting or grooming.
Not everything that goes right for the Eagles is dumb luck any more than anything that goes wrong is the fault of the front office.
i dont care if it was luck or not...reid picked the right guy and should get his due credit for that...do i think reid is some qb guru because of that pick not necessarily...but he did take mcnabb and turned a late round scrub feely into an nfl qb...so if nothign else he should be given the benefit of the doubt with kolb
again the kolb pick was a bad pick because of immediate need but if kolb turns into a player then andy hit on what is the most important position in all of professional sports and if that happens no when will care or remember that they needed to go defense with their first pick in 2007
^ Exactamundo.
Well, on the bright side...we shouldn't have to worry about any holdouts this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 09:37:54 AM
i dont care if it was luck or not...reid picked the right guy and should get his due credit for that...do i think reid is some qb guru because of that pick not necessarily...but he did take mcnabb and turned a late round scrub feely into an nfl qb...so if nothign else he should be given the benefit of the doubt with kolb
again the kolb pick was a bad pick because of immediate need but if kolb turns into a player then andy hit on what is the most important position in all of professional sports and if that happens no when will care or remember that they needed to go defense with their first pick in 2007
Couldn't agree more.
Does this mean we're all back in love again! :D
It's cool to rip Andy for failed draft picks and then when one pans out its luck. Thats the MO of a lot of fans.
hes made some good picks of course...andrews was an absolutely brilliant pick...my problem with andy is he has too many first days guys that are complete busts...
I definitely give reid the benefit of the doubt when it comes to QB's. I blame Childress on Mcmahon even though it was Marty, but since Childress he gets the blame.
I think Andy has done a decent job of drafting... he's found some players where a lot of other people wouldn't have. What pisses me off at times about his drafting is that it seems like he tries too hard to find that player and it seems as if he wants to show people how smart he is instead of just grabbing that athlete equipped to do the job. I think that's held him and consequently, the team back a bit in that regard.
I love hearing fans talk about how arrogant the eagles front office is.
i love you how pop on to make snide comments about the fans every few months
I'm always around, I'm just a bit selective with when I feel like making fun of people.
Mad-Lad
Special Master of Positive Vibes
Mr. Pibb & Red Vines is, indeed, crazy delicious.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2007, 05:25:48 PM
Mr. Pibb & Red Vines is, indeed, crazy delicious.
It's nice to see FastFreddie gets it.
The draft is truly a crapshoot. That rundown IGY posted I think evidences that, with scores ranging from A to D.
I was surprised with the Kolb pick, but who else was available at 36 that everyone would have wanted? I was livid and pissed off at first, but now I'm just meh about it.
I decided that after last years draft that I will never grade a draft until at least 2 years after it has happened. Last year everyone was thrilled with the Eagles draft, it turned out to be pretty craptastic.
(I know I am a little late on this topic, but I have been in the field since Sunday morning.)
I'm in the field every goddamned day.