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Chris Gocong has a buddy!!
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Didinger was talking about this on WIP this morning. A caller asked about him and he said this dude ate Winston Justice's lunch last year in that game in South Bend where Bush pushed Leinart into the endzone.
So he theorized that they would take him because if he's good enough to beat their guy Justice, he's good enough to be drafted by them
QuotePlays LDE. Does a good job of pursuing plays from the backside. Not the biggest or strongest, but can be stout when he extends his arms and plays with leverage. Had an outstanding play vs Michigan when he pushed back the RT and forced a run wide, then used a spin move to get off the block and make the TFL. Good motor. Good closing speed. Looks quick and athletic, but not fluid. Looks a bit gangly at times. Quick off the ball, but not explosive. Used inside move for sack vs Stanford. Used good inside move vs LSU to get pressure. Good pass rush vs Michigan when he was unblocked. Victor stayed under control as he came upfield, then used a good burst to hit Henne as he threw. Had 19 sacks over the last two years. Very cut, muscular build. Did 25 reps at the Combine. Very raw as a pass rusher. Fires upfield and also has an inside move. Needs to learn how to use his hands, how to set up blockers, and other moves. 2nd Rd player with a lot of upside. Has the frame to develop into a decent sized LDE in the NFL.
Seriously, do you guys even pay attention to who they pick before you criticize it? We get it, the Kolb pick sucks. Not this one.
Not in love with it, don't hate it. More or less "meh" but they need young DE
He seems like a "solid" player. But I expect "solid" players in rounds 3-4-5; not rounds 1 and 2. He does nothing spectacular, just everything OK. Fine. Will that be enough? I don't know. Will he make plays? Who knows. It is just diffcult to get excited about him.
Went to DeMatha...so him and Westbrook can talk about that.
I would have rather Westbrook got to chat with Michael Bush, I think.
It's a shame about him being undersized.
This guy may be the next Deacon Jones, but at this point... I just can't get excited about it.
That Kolb shtein's got me farged up.
I'd rather have bush at 57 than Abiamiri. Abiamiri is hit or miss but he had a 3rd round grade. I really dont know what to think of him other than BLAH
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 28, 2007, 08:57:42 PM
That Kolb shtein's got me farged up.
Agreed... Let's look at the bright side, though.
BYE BYE McDOUGLE!
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 28, 2007, 08:57:42 PM
That Kolb shtein's got me farged up.
Agreed... Let's look at the bright side, though.
BYE BYE McDOUGLE!
Yeah, and Dhani's gone this year too. Right.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 28, 2007, 08:57:42 PM
That Kolb shtein's got me farged up.
Agreed... Let's look at the bright side, though.
BYE BYE McDOUGLE!
Man, that was a great pick that i appreciate you bringing up
You're right. They'll probably trade Trent Cole for help at backup safety.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2007, 08:52:48 PM
Not in love with it, don't hate it. More or less "meh" but they need young DE
same here.
I actually like this pick quite a bit. I watch Notre Dame every week and he was a serious player. Notre Dame's defense was garbage but he was by far the best player out there week in and week out.
This means that McDougle is done and instead of the Eagles having to pick a guy like Anthony Spencer, they pick a true defensive end in a spot where he was supposed to be picked.
Works for me.
PS: Andy's nose just grew 6 1/2 inches about McNabb. He's farging done in Philly in two years, maximum. Bank on it.
He's going to wow us all in the first preseason game. It's gonna suck when he gets hurt in the second one though.
Looking at the other early picks that are scrolling by continually followed by our picks, i'm really pissed at what they picked
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 09:10:41 PM
He's going to wow us all in the first preseason game. It's gonna suck when he gets hurt in the second one though.
As long as he doesn't get hurt running from a rabid dog and jumping over a fence, I'm ok with that.
I love I love I love I love Jameson's. Just though I'd mention it since we picked an Irishman.
:yay
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 09:10:41 PM
He's going to wow us all in the first preseason game. It's gonna suck when he gets hurt in the second one though.
As long as he doesn't get hurt running from a rabid dog and jumping over a fence, I'm ok with that.
Maybe he'll run from a club shooting. That'll be new.
I heard Kevin Kolb shot Darrent Williams.
Ok I just heard the NFLRadio guys break him down a little and I am not all that upset about the pick as I was before.
My pissed offedness came more from the fact that this was not an identified position of need for the Eagles.
However, what is changing my mine or at least moderating my anger is the fact that he had some 60 tackles for loss in 29 games with ND. That's pretty darn good production especially when you consider the kind of competition ND plays.
He is not a bad pick just not what I was expecting in terms of position.
You weren't expecting the EAGLES to draft a lineman? :sly
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 09:18:56 PM
You weren't expecting the EAGLES to draft a lineman? :sly
I'm thinking two OL in round 3.
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:16:52 PM
My pissed offedness came more from the fact that this was not an identified position of need for the Eagles.
yes it was.
The picks are fine. FINE, DAMMIT!
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 09:18:56 PM
You weren't expecting the EAGLES to draft a lineman? :sly
Yeah, what the h-e double hockey sticks was I thinking?
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:16:52 PM
My pissed offedness came more from the fact that this was not an identified position of need for the Eagles.
yes it was.
You're kidding right?
Who or where did you see anybody listing DE as a need for the eagles?
Where did you see that as a need above S, LB, RB, or Corner?
Um...just about everybody knew the Eagles had a need at DE. Unless you consider having two DEs on the wrong side of 30 with an injury history, one player who has shown he cant stand a lot of snaps the entire season, and another showing he can only be a pass rush specialist while at age 29, a safe position. Because the Eagles always draft for the present and not the future.
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Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:16:52 PM
My pissed offedness came more from the fact that this was not an identified position of need for the Eagles.
yes it was.
You're kidding right?
Who or where did you see anybody listing DE as a need for the eagles?
Where did you see that as a need above S, LB, RB, or Corner?
uhhhh you could go many places to find it as a need if you wanted to... try NFL draft countdown, Sporting News, whatever you want..... The need comes from Jevon Kearse coming off a severe injury and Darren Howard disapearing altogether. McDougle is a waste of space, Trent Cole is a good player and Juqua Thomas is a nice backup, but there are big questions at the DE position.
DE was a definite need down the line. Kearse is done and Howard is garbage. That leaves Killa & Jooookway as the starters. Is that what everyone wants here?
good pick...definitely an area of need. :yay
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:16:52 PM
My pissed offedness came more from the fact that this was not an identified position of need for the Eagles.
yes it was.
You're kidding right?
Who or where did you see anybody listing DE as a need for the eagles?
Where did you see that as a need above S, LB, RB, or Corner?
uhhhh you could go many places to find it as a need if you wanted to... try NFL draft countdown, Sporting News, whatever you want..... The need comes from Jevon Kearse coming off a severe injury and Darren Howard disapearing altogether. McDougle is a waste of space, Trent Cole is a good player and Juqua Thomas is a nice backup, but there are big questions at the DE position.
Whatever man...just remember this conversation when we are starring at that huge hole at safety left by MLewis this season.
Remember that when the eagles are calling a bootleg on second and inches.
Remember that the next time the entire defense gets pushed five yards into the endzone because nobody can tackle.
and most of all remember that when Dhani Jones is playing air guitar after making his one assist on a tackle this season.
Dhani wasn't getting replaced by a draft pick. They're not changing their whole defensive philosophy just because he sucks. He's sucked for years!
If Abiamiri sucks and Spencer is a stud then the Eagles will never hear the end of it and rightfully so.
QuoteStrengths:
An excellent athlete with great quickness and a burst...Has pretty good size with long arms and the frame to get bigger...Was very productive...Packs a good initial punch...Strong and stout at the point...Versatile and is fluid enough to drop into coverage...Great pass rusher who can terrorize quarterbacks...Solid tackler with good range and will make plays in pursuit...Is smart and a hard worker with great intangibles...A ton of experience against top competition...Still has a lot of upside.
Weaknesses:
Needs to add some weight...Did a lot of his damage against weak competition...Is still somewhat raw and needs to refine his technique...Timed speed is adequate but not special...Inconsistent and a bit of an underachiever who does not always play up to his talent level...Struggles to shed blockers...Minor durability concerns.
Notes:
Was a highly-regarded recruit coming out of high school...Might be looked at as a potential outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme...Really made a name for himself in the scouting community when he dominated Winston Justice in '05...He certainly passes the eyeball test and has everything that you look for physically...An even better pro prospect than Justin Tuck was and the scary part is he's still improving.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 09:43:46 PM
Dhani wasn't getting replaced by a draft pick. They're not changing their whole defensive philosophy just because he sucks. He's sucked for years!
At this point Dhani could be replaced by a bag of balls with the K on them.
What we know for sure is that Dhani will not be replaced this year.
Change their defensive philosophy? Change it to what? Actually playing somebody with a pulse at the position?
They drafted Gocong last year with the intent to convert him to a LB. That sure seemed like a change in their defensive philosophy.
Look I am not saying it is a bad pick just that it is more of the same.
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 10:01:37 PM
Change their defensive philosophy? Change it to what? Actually playing somebody with a pulse at the position?
Yes. They've shown repeatedly they don't give a crap about the LBs. Their best attempts at getting players there have been to resign Trotter and get Takeo Spikes.
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:40:53 PM
Whatever man...just remember this conversation when we are starring at that huge hole at safety left by MLewis this season.
Remember that when the eagles are calling a bootleg on second and inches.
Remember that the next time the entire defense gets pushed five yards into the endzone because nobody can tackle.
and most of all remember that when Dhani Jones is playing air guitar after making his one assist on a tackle this season.
nobody said there are not other needs on the team, only that DE is one of them. Is that hard to understand? Jesus.
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 10:18:40 PM
nobody said there are not other needs on the team, only that DE is one of them. Is that hard to understand? Jesus.
i don't think that's Jesus dude.
It's not Jesus Dude, it's Buddy Christ.
i thought it was Craig Christ?
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:40:53 PM
Whatever man...just remember this conversation when we are starring at that huge hole at safety left by MLewis this season.
You do know someone will play in that spot?
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Quote from: Wingspan on April 28, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:40:53 PM
Whatever man...just remember this conversation when we are starring at that huge hole at safety left by MLewis this season.
You do know someone will play in that spot?
Yeah and I know that the Eagles lost a game to the Giants, Saints, and almost lost one to Dallas because of shabby play at that position.
To me Teh SS position as well as Dawks replacement needed to come out of this draft. It seems to me that the Eagles never had any intnetion to address that position. But hey who cares?
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:40:53 PM
Whatever man...just remember this conversation when we are starring at that huge hole at safety left by MLewis this season.
Remember that when the eagles are calling a bootleg on second and inches.
Remember that the next time the entire defense gets pushed five yards into the endzone because nobody can tackle.
and most of all remember that when Dhani Jones is playing air guitar after making his one assist on a tackle this season.
nobody said there are not other needs on the team, only that DE is one of them. Is that hard to understand? Jesus.
I said if it is a need the Eagles have a more pressing need at other positions is that so hard to understand?
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:24:04 PM
Who or where did you see anybody listing DE as a need for the eagles?
Quote from: MURP on April 28, 2007, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 09:24:04 PM
Who or where did you see anybody listing DE as a need for the eagles?
Yeah yeah I meant to say as the top need.
It was a need.
Kearse = injury + older
Howard = injuries + older + needs someone to take pressure off him
Cole = needs snaps limited
Thomas = good 4th DE
McDougle = gone
It was our biggest need. Which is why I wanted Spencer at 26, and it pisses me off that he went to farging DALLAS.
Eagles 1st rounders always suck though, so maybe he will too.
I totally forgot we had Darren Howard. Wow. :o
Quote57. Philadelphia — Victor Abiamiri, DE Notre Dame: A limited pass rusher, he'll be better as an all-around defender making more of an impact against the run. While he has all the tools to become special, the light never quite clicked on at Notre Dame, where he was good, but not special. He has to find one thing he can do extremely well.
Quote from: hbionic on April 29, 2007, 04:15:51 AM
I totally forgot we had Darren Howard. Wow. :o
That pretty much sums up the season he had last year.
vanilla wafer
I love the pick merely for the fact the Eagles suck against the run and he could help big time based on his size and weight at 6-5 274lb.
As for outside pressure on a pass rush and getting around the fastest of offensive tackles...forget it.
It looks like he was picked for one reason only
Quote from: reese125 on April 29, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
I love the pick merely for the fact the Eagles suck against the run and he could help big time based on his size and weight at 6-5 274lb.
As for outside pressure on a pass rush and getting around the fastest of offensive tackles...forget it.
It looks like he was picked for one reason only
From what I've read, it's not his lack of quickness, it's his technique and lack of pass rush moves.
I actually like this pick more today than I did yesterday.
This one and the Hunt one are cool with me.
I dunno about Whitey McLinebacker yet. But he's about the same size as Emmons and his name ain't Dhani, so we've got that going for us.
This pick is fine. A big DE with some marginal rush skills can help the team and its notorious 'rotation'. It's a completely boring and vanilla pick but there's nothing WRONG with it.
I can deal with this pick. It shows that they realize that they need an influx of young talent at DE and not everybody can be an athletic freak. You need solid workman-like guys like this as well.
It's just a shame that the farging Kolb pick throws this pick and the rest of the draft in a negative light.
I don't have a problem with Abiamiri. He's a good player and was taken where he was supposed to be taken.
Considering who is on the DL right now, I like the Abiamiri pick. He's a lot like the 2002-ish Darren Howard. Not overly fast or quick off the ball, but is real strong and gets a decent number of sacks and play very well against the run.
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CLICK! CLACK!
Good thing he's about to come into some money. He needs to get those motherfargers fixed.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
CLICK! CLACK!
I was hanging today with one of the exec's of Under Armor. CLICK CLACK
Plays LDE. Does a good job of pursuing plays from the backside. Not the biggest or strongest, but can be stout when he extends his arms and plays with leverage. Had an outstanding play vs Michigan when he pushed back the RT and forced a run wide, then used a spin move to get off the block and make the TFL. Good motor. Good closing speed. Looks quick and athletic, but not fluid. Looks a bit gangly at times. Quick off the ball, but not explosive. Used inside move for sack vs Stanford. Used good inside move vs LSU to get pressure. Good pass rush vs Michigan when he was unblocked. Victor stayed under control as he came upfield, then used a good burst to hit Henne as he threw. Had 19 sacks over the last two years. Very cut, muscular build. Did 25 reps at the Combine. Very raw as a pass rusher. Fires upfield and also has an inside move. Needs to learn how to use his hands, how to set up blockers, and other moves. 2nd Rd player with a lot of upside. Has the frame to develop into a decent sized LDE in the NFL.
I'd have agood pass rush if I was unblocked too :o Ok, at least average if I was unblocked, I'm 34 and in the prime of my life!!!
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At the risk of sounding like Spew, Abiamiri has great size for a rookie.
Yes, but how are his abs and bubble?
Rookie camp (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/052907-Abiamiri.wmv)
Contributing to the defense (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/052907-Abiamiridefense.wmv)
Big Deal.
4 yrs.
Closing the loop on this loser:
He thought he would have a chance to get serious playing time at DE this year. Instead, he was being lined up as a 3rd string DT. Then, he got hurt again. So, he took his crutches and went home.
It burns when I pee
There are so many guys like this I half expect to build a deck for one of them someday.
Over 4 years without so much as a whisper about this guy from any of us.
Pretty much says it all. Not a huge disappointment, but then again, awful defensive end draft picks are this team's specialty.
And for the record..I'd be happy for the work.
Quote from: Rome on August 04, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
Not a huge disappointment
How is that, exactly? Because he somehow managed to stay associated with the team for this long?
He was a 2nd round pick who might have made 3-4 plays worth a damn in his NFL career. That is the very definition of huge disappointment.
Quote from: Rome on August 04, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
Over 4 years without so much as a whisper about this guy from any of us.
How's that. Last post was July, 2007.
Birds are due for a Notre Dame draft pick to pan out. I can think of one in the past 30+ years, Bobby Taylor.
GET MANTE TEO'O! Also due for a Teo'o to pan out as well.