According to WIP it is a done deal. Walker and a conditional 7th rounder in 2008.
PE.com front page confirms.
I hate you guys.
I like it.Hope that big neck of Takeo can clog up the run.
If Spikes goes back to Pro Bowl form, then it is the steal of the century. If not, still Solid, because a conditional 7th and Walker is worth nothing.
Spew-riffic!
QuoteThe owners may be away, but that didn't prevent the Eagles from completing a trade Monday night as the team acquired linebacker Takeo Spikes and quarterback Kelly Holcomb from the Bills in exchange for defensive tackle Darwin Walker and a conditional draft pick in 2008. More details to follow...
I like it. F Dhani and hopefully either Bunkley or an early draft pick can step up to replace Darwin's "production".
This is a decent trade for both teams. Really not much else to say.
I hate to mention this but this also means the Gocong experiment at LB is likely history. Hopefully they'll use him as a situational pass rusher as he was meant to be used instead of shoehorning him into a spot where he didn't belong.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2007, 08:52:22 PM
I like it. F Dhani and hopefully either Bunkley or an early draft pick can step up to replace Darwin's "production".
just about sums it up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 26, 2007, 08:55:43 PM
I hate to mention this but this also means the Gocong experiment at LB is likely history. Hopefully they'll use him as a situational pass rusher as he was meant to be used instead of shoehorning him into a spot where he didn't belong.
great observation. i would much rather see Gocong just let loose like a caged animal on passing situations. LB experiments scare me and this defense is in no position to be playing Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Holcumb as the third string? Not bad.
Spikes is a HUGE upgrade over Jones.
Well done, well done.
Takow Spikes a Philly Eagle! Awesome deal. However I rather them get Rayburn, and Walker stay around for depth, but that would of been a steal.
I love Spikes. He may or may not be the same player he was yrs ago but he automatically gives us a huge upgrade on defense and another veteran presence. Well done :yay :yay
My buddy the Buffalo fan just sent me a text message. It reads...
farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU!
:-D
and Walker stay around for depth
depth?...darwin was the best interior lineman on the team
we all know bunkley is going to be a beast this year ^-^
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/ananumuss/1157923859_0908.jpg)
ha, i love this pic
http://www.takeospikes51.com/ssp/home/
Great trade.
I guess he gets #51 away from McCoy...
Friggin Love it. I broke this trade :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 26, 2007, 09:19:25 PM
My buddy the Buffalo fan just sent me a text message. It reads...
farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU!
:-D
I just got a call from my Bills fan buddy -- pretty much the same reaction. He's looking forward to Walker helping them stop the run.
I love this trade.
I just happen to need a player to sposor as well.
TEAM SPIKES sez this is a great trade.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 26, 2007, 08:55:43 PM
I hate to mention this but this also means the Gocong experiment at LB is likely history. Hopefully they'll use him as a situational pass rusher as he was meant to be used instead of shoehorning him into a spot where he didn't belong.
Maybe... maybe not. It's not as though Spikes is a long term answer at SAM. If nothing else, it prevents them from handing over the position to a guy who hasn't played an NFL down and is still a total unknown. This gives him time to learn the position and possibly take over when Spikes moves on.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2007, 09:21:44 PM
and Walker stay around for depth
depth?...darwin was the best interior lineman on the team
That's a damn shame then because Walker had pretty much disappeared the final 10 weeks of the season.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 26, 2007, 09:26:45 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 26, 2007, 09:19:25 PM
My buddy the Buffalo fan just sent me a text message. It reads...
farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU farg YOU!
:-D
I just got a call from my Bills fan buddy -- pretty much the same reaction. He's looking forward to Walker helping them stop the run.
My brother's a Bills fan and he's pissed. I talked to him a few hours ago and he told me that if/when it becomes official...
not to call him. :-D
I am a HUGE fan of this deal. Walker was clearly expendable, and although it would have been nice to have shoveled off Rayburn, but obviously that wasnt possible. This is as close to a steal as you can get though, IMO.
Spikes is an improvement over Jones is the understatement of the year, and Holcomb all but guarantees that we wont be taking Beck or any other crappy QB in the draft. Plus the 7th is virtually useless; minus a Colston like fluke. And, it should cause Dhani to be released.
I cant think of anything better than that. This is probably the hapiest I have been over a FO move since Kearse was signed. Not because I think Spikes is gonna come in and be Lance Briggs, but because of the overall value and the fact that it could turn out to be a significantly good move.
Definitely one of the more unpredictable off-seasons in a while.
Is the starting LB lineup now Trotter, Gaither, Spikes?
Feva - you suck. I changed my avatar and shtein and then you claim sponsorship of his ass. :-D
Spikes should be alright for two more years...nice add. Barring injury, he'll certainly be better in Philly than he was in Buffalo last year, right? And that would be enough to make him an improvement to the Eagles, so...good.
Holcomb, meh.
News really gets good when Jones leaves.
Bye Darwin. Thanks for all the sacks in NFL 2K5!!
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
Feva - you suck. I changed my avatar and shtein and then you claim sponsorship of his ass. :-D
Gotsta be quicker, young grasshoppa! ;D
farg I wanted Spikes too. I say we all measure our necks to see has the largest. Largest neck claims Spikes as offical sponsor.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/ananumuss/TakeoSpikes.jpg)
I just got half a stock when I thought of the Eagles cutting Dhani tomorrow.
Bye Darwin. We'll miss the weird grooves in your head...
Great move, Walker became expendable after the signing of Reagor. I can live with Holcomb as the #3.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Is the starting LB lineup now Trotter, Gaither, Spikes?
Will be, barring the unforeseen.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 26, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
I just happen to need a player to sposor as well.
Oh we're still doing that? :-\
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Is the starting LB lineup now Trotter, Gaither, Spikes?
Edited because QB Eagles said the same thing ten seconds earlier. :-D
I have to think Trotter might be a situational player again unless his 90 year-old knees make a miraculous recovery.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2007, 09:36:24 PMOh we're still doing that?
Can't ever go through that shtein again. Calvin Armstrong broke my heart.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 26, 2007, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
Feva - you suck. I changed my avatar and shtein and then you claim sponsorship of his ass. :-D
Gotsta be quicker, young grasshoppa! ;D
Im a silent member of TEAM SPIKES :yay
Mike Patterson is still the awsumest!
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:36:21 PM
Bye Darwin. We'll miss the weird grooves in your head...
Same thing i was thinking ed, along with that stupid crawl he does after assisting on sacks
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:36:21 PM
Bye Darwin. We'll miss the weird grooves in your head...
That actually made me laugh very hard.
Maybe they'll trade Holcomb in the draft to get Beck :-D :paranoid
cut trotter put spikes at mlb and draft a sam
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Is the starting LB lineup now Trotter, Gaither, Spikes?
as long as there is no "Dhani Jones" in that lineup, it sounds good to me. :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2007, 09:39:56 PM
cut trotter put spikes at mlb and draft a sam
Right then, but that still leaves you with a Jones.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2007, 09:39:56 PM
cut trotter put spikes at mlb and draft a sam
They drafted a SAM first day last year.
I SAY CHRIS YOU SAY GOCONG... CHRIS!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 26, 2007, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:36:21 PM
Bye Darwin. We'll miss the weird grooves in your head...
Same thing i was thinking ed, along with that stupid crawl he does after assisting on sacks
I've been missing that crawl for a while...
I'd rather have gocong, and i know how farging sad that is to say
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 26, 2007, 09:46:11 PM
I'd rather have gocong, and i know how farging sad that is to say
Over who, Jones? No-brainer. Better the shtein you aren't 100% positive is shtein yet over the shtein you already know is shtein.
Right then, but that still leaves you with a Jones.
not if you draft a sam and let him learn along side spikes
i think spikes gets exposed on the outside almost as much as dhani does just in the passing game instead of the running game...spikes will of course make a lot more plays than dhani but i think hes better suited inside...in fact i think hed be an absolute farging beast at mlb
(http://www.maj.com/gallery/puddleglum88/NFL/Photochop/africa_plain.jpg)
HOLLA
Regardless of where Spikes would be the most effective, I think chances are pretty good that the Eagles will have him lining up on the strong side.
http://www.takeospikes51.com
you care
laughing at BigEd's photochop
that one is an EMB special
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:59:37 PM
http://www.takeospikes51.com
you care
he or his people don't seem to care enough to update his site. if I were him, I have that shtein changed the minute I signed.
alas, not everyone can be as good as :CF
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:59:37 PM
http://www.takeospikes51.com
you care
http://www.takeospikes51.com/ssp/ask-takeo/
I asked him a question about his favorite cheesesteak toppings yesterday before he got traded.
I doubt they'll post the question but you never know.
Regardless of where Spikes would be the most effective, I think chances are pretty good that the Eagles will have him lining up on the strong side.
i basically agree but i dont think its out of the question that trotter gets cut and spikes goes to mlb...trotter makes more money than dhani and having trotter spikes and gaither makes for an extremely slow lb corp...i cringe when i think of coaches like sean payton game planning against them...i see backs and te's running at will all over the field
and if not it will be a fabulous day when dhani jones is no longer an eagle....its really a win win situation
That site's gonna have to experience a major overhaul.
We haven't really discussed the financials. I think if Spikes were willing to rework his contract he would have stayed in Buffalo, so this trade immediately makes him one of the highest-paid players on the Eagles. I think only DMac and a oft-injured DE who is stealing money stand to earn more this year, correct?
We didn't struggle with TE's last season, our D's problem was with getting run over especially on sweep plays. We needed stout LBs not quick small guys who get run over.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 26, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
great observation. i would much rather see Gocong just let loose like a caged animal on passing situations.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/JOENEJALJMOD/gocong_470_060429.jpg)
haha
We didn't struggle with TE's last season, our D's problem was with getting run over especially on sweep plays
and this year expect the opposite to happen...the plus is that spikes will get burtn less in the pass game than dhani did in the run game...the minus is that getting burnt on a pass play is worse than getting burnt on a run play
I'd most like to see Spikes in the middle. But that still leaves either Jones or Gocong (or Daniels??!!) on the outside. Yikes.
So does McCoy give up 51?
Ill be getting me a Spikes jersey the second I know. :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2007, 10:11:39 PM
We didn't struggle with TE's last season, our D's problem was with getting run over especially on sweep plays
and this year expect the opposite to happen...the plus is that spikes will get burtn less in the pass game than dhani did in the run game...the minus is that getting burnt on a pass play is worse than getting burnt on a run play
Spikes isn't that bad in coverage, he won't shut opposing TE's down but neither could Bowtie.
Quote from: King Cole on March 26, 2007, 08:34:48 PM
According to WIP it is a done deal. Walker and a conditional 7th rounder in 2008.
PE.com front page confirms.
Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but a 7th rounder? What's the condition? Can it escalate to a 6th or 5th? Wow, I was thinking it was a 5th at least since I haven't seen any details, that's a bargain.
I found this post on the Giants MB particulary hilarious...
Quote
is it just me or does Philly try to do something right after the Giants do something? I mean it was bad enough that they ended up getting Curtis after the Giants were somewhat a front runner, until the Eagles decided what the hell lets throw millions to him so he can't be with the Giants. Then today we sign Mitchell, and what do they do?? Trade for Spikes why? because we once again made a move for someone, and they must try to be better than us.
I'm going to laugh when BJ runs right through that retirement home they call a LB core, someone should preorder some wheelchairs for Trotter, and Spikes
QuoteThe Bills had discussed Spikes trade scenarios with other clubs as well, but none of those had progressed on Monday as far as the talks with the Eagles. Contrary to reports, the New York Giants were not suitors for Spikes' services.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2813818
Hahaha. That's what I was talking about earlier regarding Giants fans.
Patently retarded, the lot of them.
(Sorry, Bluey...) ;)
Eagles holding their cards close to their vest on the depth chart:
| RDT | (blank) | Brodrick Bunkley | LaJuan Ramsey |
| SLB | Dhani Jones | Takeo Spikes | Chris Gocong |
| MLB | Jeremiah Trotter | Takeo Spikes | Omar Gaither |
| WLB | Omar Gaither | Takeo Spikes | Matt McCoy |
Thats just speculation from whoever put together that chart tonight.
Were you even serious?
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2007, 10:30:26 PM
Thats just speculation from whoever put together that chart tonight.
Were you even serious?
I just enjoy seeing what they do with the chart when they bring in new guys. Obviously it doesn't reflect what we'll see Week 1 of the regular season. Sometimes they move a guy like Curtis right into the starting position. With Spikes they can't do that politically until they cut Dhani. :)
You know, the easiest way to free up 51 would be to cut the small white guy currently wearing it.
Quote"Takeo Spikes is a proven playmaker in the National Football League," Eagles general manager Tom Heckert told the AP. "He has the ability to play all three linebacking positions and were happy to add him to our defense."
grammer police!
This was taken from McPherspin's Spikes article on PE.com:
QuoteThe Eagles' acquisition of Holcomb gives the team arguably the most talented and deep quarterback contingent in the NFL.
Oh My God... :-D
Hey, Holcomb led the Browns to the playoffs and all....
I say go with the 5-2 defense. Spikes and Trotter at LB. Killa, Bunkley, Patterson and Howard lineman. Use Kearse as LB/DE
Death to all in NFC EAST!
;)
Well..teams that run the 3-4 line up in a 5-2 look as it is....Cole and Kearse might actually be decent 3-4 outside LB's/rush guys. With Trotter and Spikes in the middle, and Bunkley, Howard, and Patterson/Reagor as the down guys.... :paranoid
Nice trade.....a definate upgrade.
Quote from: mussa on March 26, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
farg I wanted Spikes too. I say we all measure our necks to see has the largest. Largest neck claims Spikes as offical sponsor.
18" for me. I think I'll stick with sponsoring no one, however.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2007, 10:19:45 PM
I found this post on the Giants MB particulary hilarious...
Quote
is it just me or does Philly try to do something right after the Giants do something? I mean it was bad enough that they ended up getting Curtis after the Giants were somewhat a front runner, until the Eagles decided what the hell lets throw millions to him so he can't be with the Giants. Then today we sign Mitchell, and what do they do?? Trade for Spikes why? because we once again made a move for someone, and they must try to be better than us.
I'm going to laugh when BJ runs right through that retirement home they call a LB core, someone should preorder some wheelchairs for Trotter, and Spikes
haha, 30 years old is still very young nowadays.. 30 used to be the Pro Sports age for being old but now they are still very much in their prime.. 30 is the new 20... This guy still has alot of fuel in the tank...
Funny the guy they signed was 27 and they said he is young and in his prime... GINTS fear US..
30 is still old for a physical position in the NFL. Especially for a LB with achilles issues.
Still, an improvement for the Eagles, and not a lot of cost. What the heck. :yay
If only they could put a line in front of these guys so their old asses can make a play every now and then.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 27, 2007, 12:04:28 AM
If only they could put a line in front of these guys so their old asses can make a play every now and then.
What, a line of first round busts and cyclopses isn't good enough for you? Picky.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
This is the best goddamn news I have heard all goddamn day long.
Great trade. It was time for Walker to leave. Kelly Holcomb? Who cares. A throw in clip-board holder.
I love it. :yay
Maybe he's a good holder. That's why they got him.
Well, then AJ will be #3 again and apparently he was promised the #2 gig....
QuotePhiladelphia used first-round choices in consecutives years to add young defensive tackles, taking Mike Patterson in 2005 and Brodrick Bunkley in '07.
Typos galore!
I just hope this does not mean good bye to Trotter......I think Trotter could benefit from having Spikes along side of him
I'd most like to see Spikes in the middle. But that still leaves either Jones or Gocong (or Daniels??!!) on the outside. Yikes.
this is true and when you think of it that way i guess spikes has to play the outside...the nice thing will be to see the sam actually make some plays now...dhani didnt get abused like mccoy he just never did ANYTHING...never ever made a play...ever
I'm in Italy and out of the loop...but this is good news. Ciao, Dhani.
The idea of having an extra guy with some fire and attitude and leadership on the defensive side of the ball is the thing I'm most excited about here. Well, that and the picture of Gocong that matty keeps posting. Haha, that shtein is ridiculous.
spikes will give them some good depth behind gocong.
nice move!
Say goodbye to Jones via Draft day.
Quote from: hunt on March 27, 2007, 08:37:48 AM
spikes will give them some good depth behind gocong.
nice move!
behind gocong??? spikes is a starter
nice call jroc!!
Quote from: mussa on March 27, 2007, 09:38:20 AM
Say goodbye to Jones via Draft day.
Are you suggesting that the Eagles include him in some package deal that nets them an improved or additional draft pick? Or just saying that he'll be released?
Because if the Eagles are able to get
any compensation for him at all then that would be positively glorious. Even if it's just a bag of crushed iceholes and bellybuttons.
Jones = David Ball :yay
Spikes was on WIP a few minutes ago and said he's really excited to be here, he's talked to Reid and JJ and thinks he fits into the schemes perfectly. He thinks he's best suited for WLB, but he'll play anywhere. They mentioned that Martin Biron's family was deciding whether or not to leave Buffalo, so they asked Spikes how quickly he would have decided to bolt from there. His response: "speed of light". He said there's nothing to do there except play video games.
Great value pick-up. Walker became expendable, especially if the Eagles are banking on Bunkley emerging this year.
Getting Holcomb is also a pleasant surprise. He will be a good #3 QB. I can't imagine him coming in here and taking the #2 job from Feeley. Feeley has been in this system too long and Holcomb coming in for 4 months to master this system probably is not going to happen.
At least if Donovan's knee explodes the Eagles have some viable reserve options.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 27, 2007, 09:43:27 AM
He said there's nothing to do there except play video games.
that is exactly what Willis McGahee said to the baltimore press. hmmmm
Quote from: jroceagles on March 27, 2007, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 27, 2007, 08:37:48 AM
spikes will give them some good depth behind gocong.
nice move!
behind gocong??? spikes is a starter
LOL
think about all the football teams. then think about the locations. pretty much all teams are located in a large to major city. buffalo and maybe greenbay are in bumfarg. both teams and cities are dead. i'd want to get the hell out also.
Quote from: mussa on March 27, 2007, 10:53:03 AM
think about all the football teams. then think about the locations. pretty much all teams are located in a large to major city. buffalo and maybe greenbay are in bumfarg. both teams and cities are dead. i'd want to get the hell out also.
Toronto is about a 30 minute drive from buffalo. These numbskulls probably never looked at a map.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 27, 2007, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: mussa on March 27, 2007, 10:53:03 AM
think about all the football teams. then think about the locations. pretty much all teams are located in a large to major city. buffalo and maybe greenbay are in bumfarg. both teams and cities are dead. i'd want to get the hell out also.
Toronto is about a 30 minute drive from buffalo. These numbskulls probably never looked at a map.
Ha. Every professional football player (except those with an apostrophe in their first names) know that you can't take concealed weapons, drugs, or unwilling mates across borders......duh.
Toronto is about a 30 minute drive from buffalo
closer to two hours
Greenbay has nothing other than Football, but Farves there so its all ok.
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4296/59092851lq4.gif)
IGY's right about the distance and time and that's assuming a quick passage over the border too.
maybe it is closer to two hours than 30 minutes, but i have driven there numerous times, and the QEW, while is 85 miles...takes about an hour on the highways alone to get from Buffalo to Toronto. Toronto is actually a fun city to spend time in.
It's no different than Philly to AC, where mapquest says 1 hour 20 minutes, it can easily be done in 45 minutes.
It doesnt change the fact that numbskulls say stupid things all the time.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 27, 2007, 11:24:37 AM
It doesnt change the fact that numbskulls say stupid things all the time.
I agree. No need to trash a place once you're gone.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 27, 2007, 11:24:37 AM
maybe it is closer to two hours than 30 minutes, but i have driven there numerous times, and the QEW, while is 85 miles...takes about an hour on the highways alone to get from Buffalo to Toronto. Toronto is actually a fun city to spend time in.
It's no different than Philly to AC, where mapquest says 1 hour 20 minutes, it can easily be done in 45 minutes.
It doesnt change the fact that numbskulls say stupid things all the time.
yeah but AC is just a bonus. you can stay in philly and have a good time. whereas it seems like in buffalo you would have to get to somewhere like toronto to have a good time.
i don't blame these guys, i wouldn't be able to live in a place where there isn't a large city very close. and if i was used to the fame like these dudes, i would need it even more.
yeah buffalo is one of the true shteinholes on earth....worse than pittsburgh if thats even possible
having toronto two hours away doesnt make it even a tiny bit better
I don't sympathize at all. Rich jocks can take their 'this town is boring" routine to hell.
Spadaro says Spikes will be in town tomorrow. That reminds me of something else he said during the WIP interview....he never took a physical for the Eagles or came to town yet, but he passed the Bills' exit physical, so that was apparently good enough....
Quote from: Diomedes on March 27, 2007, 11:34:14 AM
I don't sympathize at all. Rich jocks can take their 'this town is boring" routine to hell.
Dio wins.
I don't sympathize at all. Rich jocks can take their 'this town is boring" routine to hell.
spoken like an employed person whos never been to buffalo
martin birons wife likes buffalo...thats really all you need to know about it
I am really curious as to what the plan is??
Spikes at weak side
trotter MLB backed up and spelled by Gaither
Gocong at Sam??
Gaither at weak side
trotter MLB
Spikes SAM
does JOnes get cut
do we see a surprise move by releasing Trotter (mistake)
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2007, 11:51:35 AM
martin birons wife likes buffalo...thats really all you need to know about it
..and days after she arrived in Philly, Martin signed a new deal here...
of course
philly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffalo
Pittsburgh is a cool city, Ive always had a good time there. Too white for IGY
IGY's too white for IGY
i definitely hate myself
So who's sponsoring Kelly Holcomb?
King Holcomb?
I'd just like to take this opportunity to give a big farg you to all you slimy bastiches who are talking shtein on what is basically my hometown of Buffalo being that I grew up 20 minutes from there.
Eat a fleshpop, farg you all and may your mothers be raped by a bunch of apes coked up on speed and viagra.
so thats why you're so into video games.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to give a big farg you to all you slimy bastiches who are talking shtein on what is basically my hometown of Buffalo being that I grew up 20 minutes from there.
Eat a fleshpop, farg you all and may your mothers be raped by a bunch of apes coked up on speed and viagra.
Are you saying that you moved away because it was
too awesome?
Feva = West Senecan fo' life, mothafargas!
Are you saying that you moved away because it was too awesome?
and to a place that is pretty much the polar pun intended opposite of buffalo
to feel more at home he could have moved to wheeling
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 27, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
Are you saying that you moved away because it was too awesome?
Nah, I moved away because it
is a shteinhole. It's cold as shtein 8 months out of the year, gray skies, you can't make any money there, crime is terrible (I almost got shot there)... pretty much what McGahee and Spikes are saying. I couldn't wait to get out of there and I'm not sure you can pay me enough to move back there.
Point is... I don't have to sit here and let you fargers talk about it. Just like you may have fought your brother everyday growing up, but you'd kick anyone else's ass who tried to lay a finger on him.
Keep Buffalo up out ya mouth.
So, in summary...
Buffalo eats ass, and so does Feva for being from there.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PMI grew up 20 minutes from there.
So it'd be like me getting upset over someone trashing Trenton
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 27, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
So, in summary...
Buffalo eats ass, and so does Feva for being from there.
2nd
A day later and I love this move even more.
A playmaking SLB. Whoda thunk it?!?
Emmons was a helluva strongside guy but his forte was coverage and holding the point of attack (just for you rjs) he rarely made any big plays. Spikes can do that.
Now...draft a safety and another LB.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 27, 2007, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PMI grew up 20 minutes from there.
So it'd be like me getting upset over someone trashing Trenton
Trenton is a farging dump.
WHAT? >:(
Spikes on ESPNews said he definitely thinks WILL is his best spot.
It makes me wonder if the Eagles got him to play that spot and if so, who plays SAM? Do they really think Gocong can? Maybe they still draft an OLB.
SAM will grow on him. Dhani probably told him to say that he prefers WILL. Gaither can move pretty well, I wouldn't mind keeping him at the WILL position. I'd push him though because I don't know if Gaither will fall of the face of the earth like other LBs tend to do in this system. Or maybe the Eagles will try and sell McCoy again? Who knows.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 27, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
So, in summary...
Buffalo eats ass, and so does Feva for being from there.
I eat ass alright... YOUR MOM's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 27, 2007, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PMI grew up 20 minutes from there.
So it'd be like me getting upset over someone trashing Trenton
Sarcasm, big dog...
30 is still young Dammit !! I beat 20 year olds all the time, in golf
:)
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 04:39:27 PM
I eat ass alright... YOUR MOM's!!!!!!
That's your problem, not mine.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 27, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
So, in summary...
Buffalo eats ass, and so does Feva for being from there.
I eat ass alright... YOUR MOM's!!!!!!
How do teh AIDS taste?
Like Doritos.
FWIW, from the EMB:
Walker was on WIP and he said he wanted more money and the FO was unwilling to give him a raise from his $1.8M salary. He apparently said the negotiations were getting ugly.
I want more money!
No.
I said I want more money or I'm gonna cause shtein in the locker room, motherfarger!
Hazel, get Marv Levy on the line...
Wha.....he's been stealing money. No chance he was getting more....
whos the bigger thief easy darwin or patterson?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2007, 07:13:19 PM
whos the bigger thief easy darwin or patterson?
given what we know so far, darwin.
patterson has the line on overtaking him, but we haven't seen enough to say he won't improve and avoid that dubious honor
i agree except for the extension he got...that might put him over the top
the extension is why he's got a line on the title...his relative inexperience in comparison to the veteran and possible upside are the only think in between
ask again next year and I'll answer differently if he's still the same ol' Patterson
ESPN's got a story on Walker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2815033&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)... apparently he asked to be traded. Sounds like a win-win situation.
I was one who wanted them to make the move for Brigg's, who is much younger than Spikes, but not for what the bear's apparently want for him. He may be a really good young LB, but playing in Urlacher's hip pocket, might make a pro bowler out of almost any outside backer.
The Eagles had a Walker move planned for a while now. Signing Reagor purposely meant the end for #97, being as he wanted to re-do his deal. They wouldn't give in, and now he is GONE....SEE YA!
TKO is a HUGE upgrade to that bow tie, air banjo playin, no makin plays fool, Dhani Jones...
Used to make me sick to see him get run on all day with the bird's down 20 points, then have the nerve to make a tackle after a 2 yard gain in the 4th quarter, only to jump up and strum his banjo or whatever...That's ALMOST as sickening as watching D Walk and Patterson get abused and pushed in to Trotter's lap. Two games againt the Saints, and against both Jacksonville and the Colts.
I feel bad for Trott, having to play behind this small D-line. If they would only put some BEEF on that D-line, the Eagles' defense would be real tough, period! Look at Ray Lew after they lost those huge DT's in front of him.....he wasn't all that impressive until they drafted Ngota. I saw the film breakdowns...Trott was generally in his gaps, only to have Dhani over run the pursuit on the cutbacks. Bunkley is a start, but I wanted Robaire Smith, who can play both DT and DE at 328 lbs. The Browns were smart enough to sign him.
CSN reported that the Eagles got rid of him because he was devoting too much time to his off-the-field business matters instead of concentrating on football, and according to Walker's brother, Darwin makes more money with the business than he does in the NFL...
PE.com interview from 2005 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=36753)
QuotePE.com: Off the field, you work for a civil engineering firm. What is it like being more than just a football player?
DW: "It's huge for me. One of the great advantages is being a business owner and a business person, I really have a good feel for the business end of the NFL because I've been here for six years. I've realized that the business end is so important because when you can to terms with how the Eagles front office is trying to handle their business, then you understand why they make some of the decisions they make.
This season is going to be great when they've got Spikes, Trotter, and Jones out there to start every game. :yay
....nm....delete me
How long before Gocong joins Dawrin's engineering firm?
Speaking of stealing money, now Dhani Bowties is gonna hafta to go see Joey Bannaners.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2007, 06:59:20 PM
FWIW, from the EMB:
Walker was on WIP and he said he wanted more money and the FO was unwilling to give him a raise from his $1.8M salary. He apparently said the negotiations were getting ugly.
I think you misheard that--the Eagles wouldn't go above 1.8M. They were to pay him 1.3M and 1.4M the next two seasons.
Great trade. Good to see some positive posts instead of the bitching that was going on early in free agency. Patience pays off.
I hope this trade doesn't mean that the Eagles aren't going to draft a LB.
QuoteWalker, meanwhile, was an example of another tool the Birds use to manage their cap. In 2002, his first year as a starter, he signed a 7-year extension that gave him $4 million up front before his then-current deal was up, but left him underpaid for a healthy, starting-quality defensive tackle in his prime, 5 years later. Walker, who turns 30 in June, is scheduled to make $1.3 million this season and $1.4 million next season. Yesterday he told WIP Radio's Howard Eskin that he knew he would be traded when talks aimed at extending his deal last season didn't produce an agreement. Walker said he felt he was grossly underpaid.
Bitch was stealing money and he though he was grossly underpaid.
Hilarious.
:-D
i dont about grossly underpaid and the guy wasnt an all pro or anything...but he was the teams best DT and a solid player....which made him underpaid when you look around the league at other starting DT's...and he most def wasnt "stealing" money
team's best DT = tallest midget
it may have been covered in the previous 7 pages, but Spikes keeps talking about being a WIL, not a SAM. I wonder if they will move Gaither to middle, cut Trotter and let Dhani and Gocong "compete" for the SAM in training camp.
Nice article on what Spikes means to the LB's... and what Dhani Jones means to Patti LaBelle. (http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070328/COLUMNISTS14/703280400/1002/sports)
Quote
Eagles move to fix problem
Team upgrades defense with linebacker Spikes
Whatever Takeo Spikes has left, it will be plenty -- because it will be better than what the Eagles had.
Trading for Spikes, a two-time Pro Bowl player, is a huge upgrade for the Eagles defense.
Spikes and Kelly Holcomb, a backup quarterback also acquired in the trade from Buffalo for Darwin Walker, will meet the media today at the NovaCare Center.
The moment he puts on the jersey, before he makes a single tackle, Spikes makes the Eagles better.
Primarily this is because he's a good, quality NFL player. Spikes is 30 years old and coming off some significant injuries. But he's a proven player in this league, an impact player, a guy who disrupts opposing offenses and makes big plays.
In short, he is not Matt McCoy and Dhani Jones.
That the Eagles believed they could get by, even compete as an elite team with McCoy and Jones at outside linebacker gave off the impression that the Eagles didn't care much about the position.
That's not exactly true; they just wildly underestimated what it took to play there.
Look, for example, at the way the defense improved when Omar Gaither stepped in for McCoy. Gaither is a nice player, and he had a good rookie year. But he didn't exactly set the world on fire; the Eagles got better because they replaced a guy who couldn't play with a guy who could.
Mitigating factor: McCoy suffered a shoulder injury last season that hurt his effectiveness.
Fact: McCoy wasn't doing much to distinguish himself before he got hurt. And the Eagles didn't hurry to get him back on the field after he got healthy.
The presence of Spikes makes it possible (maybe very likely) that Jones is done as an Eagle. This should make Eagles fans happy, given that Jones had become the scapegoat for all that was wrong with the defense.
Mitigating factor: Jones was playing out of position at the strong side.
Fact: Quick -- name one memorable, game-changing play Jones made while an Eagle.
His highlights here included the bowties, the banjo strumming, getting arrested in Miami for dancing in the street, and the time Patti LaBelle threatened to "pimp-slap" him after Jones jumped on stage and started horsing around during LaBelle's performance at an AIDS Awareness Concert last summer.
Classic stuff. If the Eagles sold coach Andy Reid cutting Dhani Jones as a Pay-Per-View event, they'd make a fortune.
This is the really remarkable thing -- just a few months ago Reid and GM Tom Heckert looked at the Jones-McCoy tandem and thought: This is good enough to contend in the NFC.
By at the end of last year the Eagles, who have not had a Pro Bowl outside linebacker since William Thomas and often acted like linebacker wasn't really an important position, admitted they had a problem and couldn't continue like this.
Because the Eagles are so rarely inclusive with their thinking, we're always trying to read the tea leaves and guess at what they're going to do.
Acquiring Montae Reagor didn't seem to make sense, since he's just a better version of Darwin Walker. When they didn't act too enthused about Chris Gocong making it at outside linebacker, it seemed cause for concern since linebacker was an obvious need.
Once again, it's useless to listen to what the Eagles say. Just watch what they do. They had a problem, and fixed it.
Enter Spikes.
Mitigating factor: Spikes is on the wrong side of 30, and makes kind of a lot of money for a linebacker coming off leg injuries. The whispers out of Buffalo are that Spikes wasn't the same guy last year, that he'd lost a step and was on the downside.
Fact: Spikes suffered a torn Achilles tendon in 2005, and wasn't all the way back when he started last season. On his first play, he sacked New England quarterback Tom Brady and forced a fumble that was returned for a touchdown. Then he blew out a hamstring, missed four games, and gimped around on it.
And they think he might have lost a step. Well, duh.
Today Spikes will promise that he's healthy, and he'll talk about having something to prove. He's eager to play for a winner, a team that has a real chance to play deep into January.
Every NFL person that talks about Spikes uses the words "character" and "leadership." He's tough, tenacious, a gamer and playmaker.
And he's such a significant upgrade that acquiring him was a no-brainer, no matter what the risks of age or injury.
Quote from: SunMo on March 28, 2007, 09:34:16 AM
team's best DT = tallest midget
it may have been covered in the previous 7 pages, but Spikes keeps talking about being a WIL, not a SAM. I wonder if they will move Gaither to middle, cut Trotter and let Dhani and Gocong "compete" for the SAM in training camp.
I hear people talk about that, but I just can't see them cutting Trotter. They're probably still shell shocked over the change of aquiring what should be a quality LB. I can't see themchanging that drastically in just one offseason. I definitely think Trotter will see fewer plays this year which will mean more Gaither at MLB... but there's no way they cut him, IMO.
you're probably right, but my overall point is that i don't think this necessarily spells the end for Dhani
I hope Trotter becomes strictly a two down LB for this year. Reduce his reps so he can be fresh when he's in.
Cut him after this season.
Dhani should be gone now...unless they're gonna just plug Gocong in for him, in which case I'm not feeling great about that. Dhani isn't making any great plays but Gocong is a total unknown, and frankly it would have to be considered a real steal if he turns out to be as good as Dhani. Let's not forget that Dhani has been starting in the NFL for several years and that Gocon has no LB experience, and didn't even play in the top college division. Or conference. Or whatever they call that college shtein.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 28, 2007, 09:35:58 AM
Nice article on what Spikes means to the LB's... and what Dhani Jones means to Patti LaBelle. (http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070328/COLUMNISTS14/703280400/1002/sports)
Yes. Exactly.
I really hope to God they're cutting Dhani soon or maybe trading him for chump change on draft day at worst.
Quote from: SunMo on March 28, 2007, 09:39:59 AM
you're probably right, but my overall point is that i don't think this necessarily spells the end for Dhani
Yeah... I get you... I know Spikes has said he wants to play WIL but he played SAM last season and you gotta think that's where the Eagles want him being that they've already got the Gaither/McCoy thing going on the weakside.
If Spikes does end up at SAM, I think it comes down to Gocong... I think if he shows he's merely competent as a LB and that he's capable of learing... bye, bye Dhani.
If nothing else... this should severely limit the amount of times the bow-tie is on the field.
i'm actually not opposed to him playing WIL, that's the linebacker position that makes the most positive plays for a defense anyway
I'm not opposed to it either... I'm with you in that he would probably have more opportunities to make plays as a WIL... especially in this defense. I just think that the Eagles grabbed him with the SAM in mind.
hes not a will anymore since hes lost steps with age and the achilles...i think he can play sam but his coverage skills will come into question from time to time
his ultimate position imo at this point in his career is mike...he would be a vilma type in there...a manimal
cut trotter
i say we trade for randy moss throw in jones, greg lewis and a draft pick
We've had a pro-bowl LB since William Thomas. Trotter made the pro bowl... on special teams but whatever!
A technical Oscar is still an Oscar dammit!
shhhhhhhhh, time for sleep now
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Holla!
Why are people complaining about the WIL position?? Gaither had a pretty good year last year, especially for a 6th-round draft pick rookie, he's got nowhere to go but up. McCoy has the tools to be a good nickel/STs guy and you could do worse as a WIL backup. Unless we're planning on axeing Trotter and moving Gaither to the middle, we're fine at WIL.
I'll be fine if we go into next year with the following LB corps:
Trotter (MLB starter)
Spikes (SAM starter)
Gaither (WIL starter)
McCoy (nickel LB, STs)
Gocong
Richmond or Roper
Day 1 MLB draft pick (I like Anthony Waters from Clemson and Brandon Siler from Florida)
The great thing about picking up Spikes is that it buys us some time with the Gocong experiment--if Gocong can't learn the position by the end of next year then we'll need to pick up a long-term solution in FA or the draft in '08 but as long as Spikes can stay healthy the position is no longer an outright liability in '07.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 12:23:13 PM
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Holla!
Great shot. That was after the 5th and 1 game.
And before he made JJ Stokes his bitch.
FWIW, Spadaro's suggesting another move might be coming soon. He mentioned the glut at LB, so...
:paranoid
The glut at LB? One starting quality very good LB and the Eagles now how an influx at the position. Of course.
I feel more comfortable feeling the Eagles have strong-side help that can do well against the run.
Trotter is still a decent MLB; but I agree his reps need to come down. If he can just be a 2 down LB that would be great.
Still, I think the Eagles need to draft a LB. A playmaker for the future and maybe someone who can contribute right now.
Walker was a good DT for the Eagles, but he didn't show up consistently. Further, if the Eagles expect Bunkley to actually contribute like he should and for Patterson to step up his game, then there really aren't any reps any more for Walker. Might as well trade a player where there is a "surplus" (in the sense that the Eagles are firmly committed to Patterson and Bunkley) to pick up talent at a position of need.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 02:45:17 PM
FWIW, Spadaro's suggesting another move might be coming soon. He mentioned the glut at LB, so...
:paranoid
Dhani's scheduled to make $2.35m this year. Bye bye.
Quote from: Eaglez on March 28, 2007, 02:51:05 PM
The glut at LB? One starting quality very good LB and the Eagles now how an influx at the position. Of course.
I feel more comfortable feeling the Eagles have strong-side help that can do well against the run.
Trotter is still a decent MLB; but I agree his reps need to come down. If he can just be a 2 down LB that would be great.
Still, I think the Eagles need to draft a LB. A playmaker for the future and maybe someone who can contribute right now.
Agreed. In fact I'd say Trotter is still a very good MLB as long as he isn't out there too much. I'd love to see us draft either of the guys I mentioned in round 3 (or even 2, especially if Leonard isn't available). Both should be able to spell Trotter right away, and ultimately take over.
If Spikes can stay healthy he'll be fine at SAM for the next year or 2. If Gocong works out and can take over, great, if not, we pick up a guy next year.
Use Trotter as a 2-down guy, and McCoy with Gaither or Spikes in nickel situations.
The big worry to me is if Spikes gets hurt and Gocong can't pick up the position at all--then we're farged.
Why are people complaining about the WIL position?? Gaither had a pretty good year last year, especially for a 6th-round draft pick rookie, he's got nowhere to go but up
i complain about the linebackers in general...and i wont say anything bad about gaither because hes a sixth rounder and he did his best last year...but lets be real the guy isnt the answer...
i also dont think because youre a real late pick that means you have an upside...i tend to think they are limited in talent and anything they give you is a bonus rather than theres more of that to come...of course gaither could also be the next willie t...but to me upside is for ultra-talented players which imo gaither is not...his value got way overblown because mccoy was so friggin bad
axing the axe man is absolutely ridiculous idea. he may of had a bad year last year, but he is in no way a guy we want to get rid of this coming year. he's the heart of the defense and if not the leader of the entire team. the man deserves a shot at being the main man in the middle, but I do agree we need to look at his replacement in the draft. I am fine with McCoy and Gaither battling it out at WIL. Gaither did his job, and I thought McCoy had a pretty good year until he got hurt.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 02:45:17 PM
FWIW, Spadaro's suggesting another move might be coming soon. He mentioned the glut at LB, so...
:paranoid
Where did he mention the glut at LB other than saying they were deep but unsettled?
I can easily see them either cutting or trading Dhani, then picking up some unknown (but high motor/character) back up player to compete.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to give a big farg you to all you slimy bastiches who are talking shtein on what is basically my hometown of Buffalo being that I grew up 20 minutes from there.
Eat a fleshpop, farg you all and may your mothers be raped by a bunch of apes coked up on speed and viagra.
I live in Rochester, which isnt all that far away from Buffalo either. Appears that we're the only two from around the area. Seems that we're pretty much the only two brothers on this board too.
Apparently, only brothers from upstate new york can find their way around the internets.
i couldn't care less if somebody talked shtein about a place 20 minutes from where i grew up, in fact, i would probably join in
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
Why are people complaining about the WIL position?? Gaither had a pretty good year last year, especially for a 6th-round draft pick rookie, he's got nowhere to go but up
i complain about the linebackers in general...and i wont say anything bad about gaither because hes a sixth rounder and he did his best last year...but lets be real the guy isnt the answer...
i also dont think because youre a real late pick that means you have an upside...i tend to think they are limited in talent and anything they give you is a bonus rather than theres more of that to come...of course gaither could also be the next willie t...but to me upside is for ultra-talented players which imo gaither is not...his value got way overblown because mccoy was so friggin bad
In general you may be right but I think Gaither did a great job last year....especially considering that many of his mistakes were due to inexperience (ie 12 men on the field vs NO). Even if he doesn't get any better, I felt more comfortable with him at WIL than I have with anyone else in years other than Adams' brief period of non-suckitude in the '04 playoffs.
Quote from: Dillen on March 28, 2007, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2007, 12:41:38 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to give a big farg you to all you slimy bastiches who are talking shtein on what is basically my hometown of Buffalo being that I grew up 20 minutes from there.
Eat a fleshpop, farg you all and may your mothers be raped by a bunch of apes coked up on speed and viagra.
I live in Rochester, which isnt all that far away from Buffalo either. Appears that we're the only two from around the area. Seems that we're pretty much the only two brothers on this board too.
Gotta ask - how can you tell?
We just know...
GCobb wants Takeo to play the WIL (http://gcobb.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=774&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)
QuoteTakeo Spikes was on the 610-WIP Morning Show on Tuesday morning and he didn't stutter when he said that his natural position is WILL linebacker. This guy was born to play the WILL because of his combination of size, speed, quickness, instincts and aggressiveness. If he's healthy, Takeo will take the Eagles defense up a few notches with forced fumbles, sacks and interceptions. I've been impressed with him more and more as I've studied him and talked to people around the league about him. But he's got to play WILL linebacker or the Eagles will be wasting his enormous talents and therefore wasting the big dollars they're paying him.
They've got to have him in position to make the big tackle when the Cowboys Julius Jones is trying to get outside or is cutting back while trying to explode on a big play. They want him to be the guy blitzing Eli Manning and not downfield running with tight end Jeremy Shockey. They want Spikes matched up with Washington's Clinton Portis with the game on the line. This guy, Takeo is an impact player, so you've got to put him position to make plays. Running backs will have trouble picking him up on the blitz because of his combination of size and speed. Offensive linemen are no where near quick enough to stop him from penetrating. Remember, it's very easy for a team to game plan away from SAM, but it's very difficult to game plan away from WILL. Many times SAM is glued to the tight end, while WILL is flexible and able to go to the ball.
I remember how Buddy Ryan used to talk about the WILL spot and how it was the position where you get the "Kill Shots". "Kill Shots" are opportunities to hit an offensive ball carrier before he's able to react to you. The WILL linebacker is normally always off the line of scrimmage on the side away from the tight end. Many times he lined up over a tackle or guard but he's off the line of scrimmage and they have no chance of catching him unless the running play is right in that hole. Once the play starts he's normally headed to the strong side in search of his prey, which is normally the opposing running back.
Most running plays are to the strong side or the tight end side of the formation, and WILL comes from the other side or weak side and he "lays in the weeds" behind his defensive line until the running back commits to where he wants to go. Many times a running back will make the mistake of cutting back blindly into hole which he has spotted and a good WILL backer will appear out of nowhere and make him regret the decision. Quite a few times, the play will result in a fumble.
These shots may render a key player ineffective for the rest of the game unless he's very tough mentally or physically. Neither McCoy or Gaither pack the whallop of the best WILL backers, because they're just not big enough. Spikes is 6'2" in height and he weighs 242 lbs. McCoy and Gaither are in the 220's.
The WILL backer has to be aggressive and fast with great feet. A great WILL backer is just as good of an athlete as the running backs whom he pursues. WILL shuffles behind his defensive line and mirrors or shadows the running backs on running plays like an "assassin", then he pounces on the back when he hits the hole. A WILL backer with good instincts puts himself in the mind of the running back, similar to the way a hunter puts himself in the mind of his prey. From all I've heard, Takeo is a hunter and he's a great athlete who may be getting his legs back.
The WILL backer has a lot more blitz opportunities than SAM. He gets the chance to sneek up into his blitzes and utilize his speed to close on the quarterback.
Jim Johnson will have fun sending Spikes on the blitz from every alignment you can think of. I remember that great play he made while blitzing Tom Brady last year. He caused a fumble which resulted in a defensive touchdown.
Finally Spikes has great coverage skills because of his athleticism. You want him on the field all the time because he's got closing speed and great instincts. He'll be able to cover running backs, tight ends and even wide receivers for short periods of time. This guy was born to play WILL.
Spikes' presser is running late. Shocking!
BTW: Is Eagles Live always this painful to listen to? Holy christ... :-D
Takeo cant go to the press conference because he was stabbed. In fact, that one GroupHug quote was from Takeo himself:
QuotePeople always be stabbin me.
Someone just asked why the Eagles didn't "take" Adalius Thomas.
I think Spadaro's head is about to explode.
:-D
Spikes got McCoy's #51 & Holcomb's wearing neckbeard's #10.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 05:30:08 PM
Spikes got McCoy's #51 & Holcomb's wearing neckbeard's #10.
McCoy has to wear a picture of a penis until he earns a real number.
PE.com is selling 'em already. Nice layout on the tile floor...
(http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/largeimages/spikes_jersey1.jpg)
Someone needs to tell him that Peterson's first name is Julian, not Julius.
I will not volunteer to be that person.
It's not Spads fault Eagles Live sucks. He has to do the show with Chris McPherson and Bob Kent sucking on his balls.
Ba ba bum ching
Spikes is giving me chills. And teh football wood.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
Spikes is giving me chills. And teh football wood.
You want to have his poop babies, huh?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
Spikes is giving me chills. And teh football wood.
No doubt. I just logged onto the main site... saw the pic of him holding up the jersey and just started cheesin'...
If Spikes follows Peterson's healing ways, then Spikes is a better player than Peterson. We'll have a top 10 LB on our hands.
I hope so badly he gets back to form. This defense could actually be good for a change.
Quote"speaking to the guys, the first thing they told me was about the fans...in Philly, walking into the stadium you're like gladiators walking into an arena....and that's me. I like that, that's me"
:yay
Huge wood
Am I the only one who's having a hard time getting fired up about this? I like the dude and think that he's a good addition, but all this talk of boners and whatnot just isn't happening for me.
If he gets back to pre-injury form like Peterson did then he is a top 10 LB in the NFL. There definitely is something to be excited about. He instantly becomes the best LB we have. Immediate playmaker and impact player.
If you are skeptical that is all well and good, but we actually have promise at the spot for the first time in a long time.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 28, 2007, 08:36:52 PM
Am I the only one who's having a hard time getting fired up about this? I like the dude and think that he's a good addition, but all this talk of boners and whatnot just isn't happening for me.
Did you watch the press conference? I think he'd put the pads on today and start bashing skulls in. That doode fired me up for the season, rjs. I can't wait to see him wreak havoc out there.
rjs needs football shaped pills to get boners
If the Spikes jerseys weren't on back-order, I might have already bought one.
I'm like a crack addict when it comes to Eagles jerseys.
LOL - I need help.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 28, 2007, 08:36:52 PM
Am I the only one who's having a hard time getting fired up about this? I like the dude and think that he's a good addition, but all this talk of boners and whatnot just isn't happening for me.
It's not 1998? ???
I know I made a mess of myself
I won't be excited till I see him go out there and reduce someone into a bloody mess. As soon as that happens I know he's an Eagle!
Quote from: Phanatic on March 29, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
I won't be excited till I see him go out there and reduce someone into a bloody mess.
It'll probably be Bunkley. That's where my money is.
I am stoked, but I cant help but feel that a Trotter release or trade is coming....and that would, honestly, make me cry!!
Am I the only one who's having a hard time getting fired up about this? I like the dude and think that he's a good addition, but all this talk of boners and whatnot just isn't happening for me.
i love spikes and hes a good addition but overall as a team the birds are no better now than before free agency and are possibly worse...the team was smart tho because getting spikes...and moreso getting RID of dhani has fired up the fanbase and taken heat off of them...and at the same time they got rid of a player who wanted more money...def an A+ week for the front office
FYI: Under his current deal, Spikes is scheduled to make $4.5m this year and $5m next year.
I thought he only was under contract for the 2007 season...
nope two years
There is an option for 2008 which will most likely be picked up
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 29, 2007, 08:50:46 AM
There is an option for 2008 which will most likely be picked up
So, you read that they're likely just to keep his current deal? That basically guarantees that Dhani or Trotter will be cut... Hopefully Dhani, because at least Trotter brings leadership and intensity, instead of poetry and bowties.
Cut them both. Then cut Spikes to free up some cap space.
There is an option for 2008 which will most likely be picked up
a team option?
i did not know this
so basically die hard was right it is a one year deal
makes the deal even better as now you have an out in case the achilles goes boom again
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 08:58:22 AM
There is an option for 2008 which will most likely be picked up
a team option?
i did not know this
so basically die hard was right it is a one year deal
makes the deal even better as now you have an out in case the achilles goes boom again
Well, either way they'd have an out. This way, they have an IN to keep him for another year at the relative bargain price of $5m if he tears shtein up and the achilles holds up nicely.
an option gives you a true out tho...meaning no cap hits or dead money or anything else...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 06:29:48 AM
Am I the only one who's having a hard time getting fired up about this? I like the dude and think that he's a good addition, but all this talk of boners and whatnot just isn't happening for me.
i love spikes and hes a good addition but overall as a team the birds are no better now than before free agency and are possibly worse...the team was smart tho because getting spikes...and moreso getting RID of dhani has fired up the fanbase and taken heat off of them...and at the same time they got rid of a player who wanted more money...def an A+ week for the front office
when did they det rid of dhani????? ???
the second they traded for takeo
I damn sure hope so.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 09:37:41 AM
an option gives you a true out tho...meaning no cap hits or dead money or anything else...
Getting him via trade means all the bonus money and cap hit from bonus money is the responsibility of his old team. All the Eagles have to do is pay his salary. So, unless part of his salary is guaranteed (which is rare in the NFL), they would have had a "true out" regardless of a team option for 2008.
dead money would be charged to buffalos cap but buffalo also has to actually pay him his remaining sb money?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 09:40:47 AM
the second they traded for takeo
not necessarily....i hope though!
i also hope so!! lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 10:19:59 AM
dead money would be charged to buffalos cap
Yes, it will be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 10:19:59 AM
buffalo also has to actually pay him his remaining sb money?
No, they already paid him his signing bonus. They won't have to pay him another cent.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 29, 2007, 03:40:22 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 29, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
I won't be excited till I see him go out there and reduce someone into a bloody mess.
It'll probably be Bunkley. That's where my money is.
Thought for sure you'd go with Trotter there...
I'm holding on to the idea that Trotter gets cut to make room for Spikes' contract.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 29, 2007, 09:15:06 PM
I'm holding on to the idea that Trotter gets cut to make room for Spikes' contract.
I hope not!
i also hope not! lol
You're welcome.
Infuriating blurb from Spadaro:
QuoteDRAFT NEEDS FOR NOW ... OR LATER?
This team is still far from complete. The Eagles need to add depth to many areas, and I'm including defensive line in that mix. Wide receiver? I really think this group is quite complete. Offensive line? Outstanding. Linebacker? I like what the Eagles have here now, I really like what they have here now.
Everything else seems open, as far as I can tell. I just want the Eagles to add good players in the draft, at whatever positions they may play.
Ah, good. No need to draft a linebacker. They're obviously built for the future there now.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2007, 04:23:21 PM
Infuriating blurb from Spadaro:
QuoteDRAFT NEEDS FOR NOW ... OR LATER?
This team is still far from complete. The Eagles need to add depth to many areas, and I'm including defensive line in that mix. Wide receiver? I really think this group is quite complete. Offensive line? Outstanding. Linebacker? I like what the Eagles have here now, I really like what they have here now.
Everything else seems open, as far as I can tell. I just want the Eagles to add good players in the draft, at whatever positions they may play.
Ah, good. No need to draft a linebacker. They're obviously built for the future there now.
ive long stopped paying attention to him but what i do find funny is how pointless that post is. wow really spad? we need depth? we need to add good players? wow thanks for the football insight.
QuoteI just want the Eagles to add good players in the draft, at whatever positions they may play.
I wish I thought of that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
QuoteI just want the Eagles to add good players in the draft, at whatever positions they may play.
I wish I thought of that.
That might be the most honest thing he has ever said. I am still not sure why the Eagles have a reputation as great drafters.
Quote from: NGM on March 30, 2007, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
QuoteI just want the Eagles to add good players in the draft, at whatever positions they may play.
I wish I thought of that.
That might be the most blatantly obvious thing he has ever said. I am still not sure why the Eagles have a reputation as great drafters.
That might be the most honest thing he has ever said. I am still not sure why the Eagles have a reputation as great drafters.
except hes not saying it to intimate that the eagles arent good drafters hes saying it to mean that they are so good that no specific position is needed
we have a winner
What they really need is more depth along the offensive line. I mean, I don't know what would happen if Andrews, Runyan, Tralliam Thomas, and those other guys got hurt.
for real?
now i dont know if any of them can play but they have tons of options at OL
both in talented draft picks (justice - jean gillies) and in guys they really seem to like (cole - mccoy - young)
Hahaha
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2007, 09:32:37 AM
for real?
now i dont know if any of them can play but they have tons of options at OL
both in talented draft picks (justice - jean gillies) and in guys they really seem to like (cole - mccoy - young)
you got served
huh?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2007, 01:47:32 PM
huh?
For real? You dont know? I would think you would, considering you are about as thug as a whitey could be.
QuoteYou Got Served
1. A slang expression that is usually used when someone proves that they are better than someone else.
2. Another way of saying "You just got owned"
i dont understand how i got served
is it some kind of internet thing?....cause thugs arent good at that kind of stuff
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2007, 09:32:37 AM
for real?
now i dont know if any of them can play but they have tons of options at OL
both in talented draft picks (justice - jean gillies) and in guys they really seem to like (cole - mccoy - young)
He wasn't.
yeah i understand that i thought he was serious...but i dont understand where i got served
like i said must be an internet thing
SERVED
(http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archives/2004/02/12/aeserved.gif)
Quote from: General_Failure on March 30, 2007, 11:15:02 PM
What they really need is more depth along the offensive line. I mean, I don't know what would happen if Andrews, Runyan, Tralliam Thomas, and those other guys got hurt.
Andy would suit up if need be. (with the OL guys, not the dancing guys)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 31, 2007, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 30, 2007, 11:15:02 PM
Tralliam
You see.... what he did there was took his "old" name (Tra) and his "new" name (William)... and made it "Tralliam"!
WITTY MCWITT!
This thread has far too little Kelly Holcomb talk...
I think he should start. Discuss.
Over AJ while Donovan heals?
Exaaaaactly. But I meant at Linebacker.
He's not even the starting clipboard holder.
Hey Timmay Chang deserves a shot at that clipboard too
Quote from: Diomedes on April 02, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
Over AJ while Donovan heals?
Over both of them even when McNabb is healthy.
OMGKELLYH0LC0MBZZZZZ
Aaaaand WHUTCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER???? WHEN HOLCOMBANIA AND ALL THE LITTLE HOLCOMBANIACS RUN WILD ON YOU?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 02, 2007, 07:51:11 PM
Aaaaand WHUTCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER???? WHEN HOLCOMBANIA AND ALL THE LITTLE HOLCOMBANIACS RUN WILD ON YOU?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
haha! you used too many ?'s and it turned it into a smilie.
I do like the whole "Holcombmania thing though. Wish I thought of it first.
Damn smilies... >:(
B+ for effort though.
CSN video clips:
The Eagles can win (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/041807-takeo.wmv)
Prepared to play any LB spot (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/041807-takeo2.wmv)
TKO is ready to whoop some ass. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20070510_I_want_it_all__says_the_Eagles_hungry_Spikes.html)
Quote'I want it all,' says the Eagles' hungry Spikes
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer Staff Writer
Takeo Spikes has more motivation than most.
Takeo Spikes had a wish list. After last season, even with two years remaining on his contract, the 30-year-old linebacker knew he was finished in Buffalo, so he put together a list of qualities he valued in his next team:
A "stable backfield," particularly at running back and quarterback.
A tenured coaching staff, which in part meant a staff with postseason success.
A defensive line with, as Spikes put it, "some straight-up dogs," plus depth.
Solid cornerbacks.
Talent at linebacker.
Check, check, check, check, check. (word? :sly)
To say that Spikes, a two-time Pro Bowler who has played on one winning team in nine years in the NFL, was psyched when the Bills traded him to the Eagles in late March would be an understatement. He was euphoric. He got everything he wanted, and then some.
What did the Eagles get? An intense, hardworking, versatile veteran who is as hungry as anyone on their roster, someone so respected league-wide that he serves on the new six-player board that advises commissioner Roger Goodell.
The Eagles also got a beast at linebacker, a position they desperately needed to upgrade.
Bye-bye, "Bowtie" Dhani Jones. Hello, pit bull.
"You know what I asked my agent?" Spikes said Tuesday while sitting at the Eagles' NovaCare Complex after yet another full day of working out. "I said, 'Is it too good to be true? Are you for real?' . . . I knew once Philly stepped up to the plate, I was like, 'I'll see you later.' This is a prime-time opportunity. It was just a good situation."
The Eagles will hold their first of two mandatory off-season minicamps this weekend, but for Spikes, the work began weeks ago. He has been omnipresent at the Birds' practice facility, typically arriving by 8 a.m. and staying until well after lunch.
Spikes knows he needs to be at the complex, but not to gain headlines or prove anything to his new teammates or coaches. He needs the work. He needs to learn Jim Johnson's system, to get to know linebackers coach Sean McDermott, to familiarize himself with the terminology, and to work with Jeremiah Trotter and the other linebackers.
At this point in his career, Spikes doesn't have time to waste. He said he wanted to be ready for the minicamp so that once it started, "there ain't nothing that they can't throw at me."
"I might have a brain [cramp] here and there, but I want it to be like, 'Damn, this guy here, it's almost like he's been here the past year instead of the past three weeks,' " he said.
We'll see this weekend, but certainly Spikes' new teammates are thrilled he's here. During a live interview from Florida with the NFL Network earlier this week, Brian Dawkins started clapping his hands and nodding his head at the mere mention of Spikes' name.
"You have no idea how jacked up I was," Dawkins said. He added that he was going to "try not to hyperventilate" playing behind Spikes in the secondary.
The feeling is mutual.
Spikes shares Dawkins' intensity. Dawkins once referred to the characteristic as "dog," as in "you can't fake dog."
Spikes doesn't fake it.
He also doesn't conceal his emotions. He leads the NFL with the most regular-season games played without appearing in a playoff game - 126 - according to the Elias Sports Bureau. When this statistic was brought to his attention, Spikes became very quiet, and very still.
"I don't like talking about it," he said. "I just don't like talking about it. It bothers me, it really does."
Spikes said he often had wondered how he would feel if his career ended without a playoff appearance, much less a playoff victory. He played for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1998 to 2002, and they didn't sniff the playoffs with a five-year record of 19-61. Then Spikes went to the Bills, who were 9-7 in 2004 but 27-37 overall.
It was not lost on Spikes that he had joined a team that had been to the postseason in seven of the last eight years.
"Philly is going to be all right regardless of whether I'm here or not," Spikes said. "It's just up to everybody coming together collectively and doing what needs to be done to get to Arizona. That's all I'm here to do."
Arizona, as in Super Bowl XLII. Spikes wants more than just a playoff appearance.
"Oh, no, it's not even just to get to the playoffs, not at all," he said. "I want it all. If it's out there, I want it all."
Spikes has checked several items off his wish list, but make no mistake, there are several more still to go.
Talk is cheap
T.O. was excited to be here too.
poor mans dhani jones?
Spadaro's latest column has a blurb in it about TKO.
Let's just say it's chuggie-riffic!
Y'allz some bitches....
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 10, 2007, 09:39:24 AM
T.O. was excited to be here too.
And he kicked ass on the field...
Quote"I don't like talking about it," he said. "I just don't like talking about it. It bothers me, it really does."
:evil I love this guy, i cant wait to see him killing people.
great now watch him get hurt on the first play of the first pre season game...:(
I actually had a dream that he retore his achilles in that same scenario.
So you can blame me if it happens.
We were going to anyways.
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 10, 2007, 08:48:06 AM
Meanwhile Walker is holding out on the Bills (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-darwinwalker&prov=ap&type=lgns)
HA!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 10, 2007, 09:49:09 AM
Spadaro's latest column has a blurb in it about TKO.
Let's just say it's chuggie-riffic!
QuoteAnd have I told you that every time I see Takeo Spikes or speak to him and I see his muscles bulge from his neck and think about him in an Eagles uniform I become legitimately excited? Like, my heart starts to pound and I know, I just know, that he is going to add so many necessary elements to this team that, yeah, no doubt, the Eagles are Super Bowl contenders?
Hold me back ...
:-\
Spadaro also said that Spikes will be an EMB blogger this year. I'm expecting quality work just like Moats' journalistic pieces...
Can we get an "Ask TKO section"?
It will take a lot to surpass my no-homo-man-love for Trotter and McNabb, but Spikes is getting close to becoming a favorite of the Phreak.
If Spikes backs it up on the field and returns to form, then he will instantly become one of my 5 favorite Eagles. For one, I love defensive players, and two, it has been so long since we had a truly dominant linebacker on this team. If Spikes returns to form he can be that. Even at 80% of his pro bowl self, he is still a stud and the best LB we have easily.
FYI...
Apparently Darwin Walker and his thigh are threatening to hold out unless he gets a new deal. We know that the contract was an issue here, he said it on WIP after he was dealt that he wanted more money.
Have fun with that, BUffalo.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2007, 04:18:58 AM
FYI...
Apparently Darwin Walker and his thigh are threatening to hold out unless he gets a new deal. We know that the contract was an issue here, he said it on WIP after he was dealt that he wanted more money.
Have fun with that, BUffalo.
According to ESPN, Walker hasn't even visited Buffalo yet. :-D
TKO just had a presser...
Spikes lamented the fact that it took 10 years to get to Philly. He's licking his chops over the prospect of playing in JJ's defense. He also commented that he's not surprised by the coverage of minicamp and the Eagles overall during the offseason because Trotter briefed him about what it's like to be an Eagle after he got to Philly. 'Just the first of many [experiences he's never had] to come' he suggested.
Can't wait to see him put that foot up Eli or Romo's ass...
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BEMNDJMEJKAG/07MC29-051207.jpg)
He is a Bad, Bad, MAN
I was looking at the "Whos Online" stuff and there was a topic about Corey Simon being on the bench in 2005 that a guest was looking at. I looked through it and found some funny stuff:
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 05, 2005, 09:05:45 AM
i just heard Eckel's report that the Bills are interested in trading for Corey Simon (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/112322928129970.xml&coll=5). Sounds like he's here for the entire season, as we all expected.
And the Bills trade for Walker 2 years later, when a lot of the posts in that thread were about how awesome the DTs could be with Walker and Patterson.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 05, 2005, 09:10:37 AM
the problem is, the Bills would have to work out a contract extention with him. too bad he wants a TON of moneys.
....And the Bills are having trouble with an extension for Walker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2005, 03:54:13 PM
some guy from buffalo just called wip and said takeo spikes was on the radio up there this afternoon and said that his agent contacted him about waiving his no trade clause to go to philly for corey simon
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 04:07:33 PM
Hm, an over-priced player at an under-valued position? We aren't gonna be trading for Spikes.
Some interesting stuff, actually.
Quote from: Dillen on May 12, 2007, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 04:07:33 PM
Hm, an over-priced player at an under-valued position? We aren't gonna be trading for Spikes.
I actually stand by this quote... for 2005. 2007 is a different beast.
And I'll go on record now to say that Spikes still doesn't exactly give me a woodrow. I may be wrong, and hope I am, but I don't see him as any sort of linebackering savior.
But he says all the right things! And he was awesome a while ago!
But he says all the right things!
and he has a big neck
This thread doesnt have enough Holcomb in it..
(http://clevelandpress.com/browns9.jpg)
(http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20051113WP_browns12_230.jpg)
(http://bengals.enquirer.com/img/photos/1997/11/111097ambrose_500x341.jpg)
(http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/86F4CD7CE8B14B4F85831229188C6D95.JPG?0.8104206589890434)
Quote from: Wingspan on May 13, 2007, 09:27:32 AM
(http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20051113WP_browns12_230.jpg)
He's doing the Neckbeard touchdown celebration.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 13, 2007, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 13, 2007, 09:27:32 AM
(http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20051113WP_browns12_230.jpg)
He's doing the Neckbeard touchdown celebration.
Looks like he's popping a squat...
Exactly. Drunk Koy did that against the Packers in 98. Basically it looked like he was taking a dump in the middle of Lambeau Field. I thought it was funny. Andy Reid did not.
scat is serious shtein to Mormons
If Walker doesn't report to Bills camp by August 5th, the Eagles need to give them a 6th rounder. Or something along those lines.
Quote from: Dillen on May 25, 2007, 08:21:16 PM
If Walker doesn't report to Bills camp by August 5th, the Eagles need to give them a 6th rounder. Or something along those lines.
Yup... and Walker comes back here. That way... we can trade him again for more picks. :yay
Yeah, his trade value will be sky high if that happens.
T'was a joke, sister...
So was mine, cuz.
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 26, 2007, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: Dillen on May 25, 2007, 08:21:16 PM
If Walker doesn't report to Bills camp by August 5th, the Eagles need to give them a 6th rounder. Or something along those lines.
Yup... and Walker comes back here. That way... we can trade him again for more picks. :yay
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2889861&type=story#
This dude is going to change the entire defense.
Quote
It doesn't take much to sharpen Spikes
By DANA PENNETT O'NEIL
oneild@phillynews.com
SITTING IN a darkened film room, Takeo Spikes waits.
He's not sure what exactly he's looking for; he'll know only when he sees it.
And he knows he'll see it because every week during the National Football League season, Spikes finds somebody or something on the opposing team to tick him off.
"I can look at a guy on film and not like his body language and that will piss me off for the rest of the week,'' said Spikes, the Eagles' new linebacker. "I look for it all the time, for something to set me off, something I don't like. I don't like guys who try to walk around the pile, chests all out big. It's almost like a bull's-eye, I've got to have you. By Sunday I have to have you.''
Since arriving via a trade with Buffalo, Spikes has been rightly praised for his role with Roger Goodell's new behavior police. A model citizen in a league looking to eradicate the Tank Johnsons and Chris Henrys of the world, Spikes has been lauded for his quiet intensity, his intelligence and his willingness to stand up and say that thuggery doesn't equate to cool.
What's been lost in the translation of all this Mr. Takeo Spikes, Esq., stuff is that he is every bit as nasty on the field as he is nice off it.
And yes, that's a compliment.
"He's Dawk,'' said Troy Vincent, Spikes' former teammate on the Buffalo Bills. "I can't wait to see the two of them in the same huddle. They're the same guy, the same guy. Takeo is just as crazy.''
As downright frightening as it may seem to have another Brian Dawkins in Eagles green, the two new comrades on defense are indeed similar cats. They share a strong faith and sense of morality. They are both polite and engaging and they both show that same slow burn of a fire in their eyes when talk turns to Sunday afternoons.
Before the trade, the pair teamed up for an activity geared toward athletes at the Wharton School. The charge was to complete a simulated business project in an allotted period of time.
"We didn't finish,'' Dawkins said, "because we both have that same sort of slow-talking thing going on. But when it comes to the field and it's time to roll, some players can't play with their emotions on the field. He's not one of those cats. I've watched him play. I know. He has that same warrior mentality, the dog. You say the word, 'dog,' and I picture him right next to me. I cannot wait.''
Frankly, neither can Spikes.
The Eagles, he said, present the perfect storm for him. Though his move here signaled an implicit acknowledgement that Andy Reid realized linebackers actually have a purpose, Spikes doesn't feel the pressure of being "the man'' here. He is on a defense dotted with superstars, from Jevon Kearse on the line to Jeremiah Trotter in the middle to Dawkins in the secondary.
Here he is simply a cog in what he expects to be a well-greased wheel. That is something Spikes, entering his 10th season, is altogether unfamiliar with.
Drafted by Cincinnati in the first round of the 1998 draft following his junior season at Auburn, Spikes never has played for what anyone would mistake as a good team. The Bengals were nothing short of a trainwreck; even the years when the defense wasn't woeful, the offense was so bad a one-touchdown deficit equated to an insurmountable mountain.
In his four seasons in Buffalo, the Bills made one halfhearted run at the playoffs, riding smoke, mirrors and the last of Drew Bledsoe to a 9-2 late run that came up one win shy of the playoffs.
In the Eagles he not only has a defense that long has been considered among the best in the NFL, he has a real, honest-to-goodness offense. We here in Philly may be wondering about the receiving corps, questioning the health of Donovan McNabb and fretting that Brian Westbrook may never see the sort of workload he had last year. But perspective is a funny thing. From where Spikes sits, from what he's dealt with, he hears all about these worries and says spare me.
Two years ago, Spikes ruptured his Achilles' tendon, an injury that was so debilitating that for a year he walked up the stairs to grab his baby daughter, Jakai, out of her crib, hoping that one day he'd be able to put his full body weight on his heel.
It never happened.
Spikes returned to start the season last year but admits he was far from himself. His highlight-reel moment came in the season opener when he leveled Tom Brady, forcing a fumble that London Fletcher returned for a touchdown.
From the top of the mountain, Spikes plummeted to the bottom, pulling a hamstring a series later and missing four games.
He felt more like himself by the end of the 2006 season but never entirely like the man he was before the Achilles' injury.
Or the player he promises he'll be here.
"I love quotes,'' he said. "One of my favorites is, 'The measure of a true baller is not where he stands after he makes a play but where he stands in times of adversity,''' Spikes said. "That was it. I tell myself all the time now, if you ever wanted to take advantage of me, you should have done it last year because this year, it's on.''
Asked if he feels like he's almost owed this opportunity, Spikes doesn't even let the question end.
"I deserve this,'' he said. "Absolutely I deserve it. I've been through a lot mentally as well as physically and I mean, how much [do you have] to put a guy through? Sometimes I'd get on my knees and just pray. What have I done? When is it my turn? When will I have a chance?''
As he was talking, Spikes paused. He remembered back to one of his early years in Cincinnati, when the Bengals were mired in a long losing streak and the emotional linebacker sat at his locker and literally cried.
A veteran player pulled him aside.
"He said, 'Listen, young fella, I understand your passion but at the same time you have to understand something,'' Spikes related. "Maybe you don't understand this now, but in order to become the player you want to be, you have to be surrounded by great players.
"I didn't understand that. In basketball, you had Michael, Magic, so why? Why is this different? Now I understand.''
And so each week he will sit in the film room, wait and watch.
His motor is already running. He just needs someone to gun the engine.
Yeah, until he pops his other achilles in the 2nd quarter of the 3rd preseason game.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 25, 2007, 10:45:57 AM
Yeah, until he pops his other achilles in the 2nd quarter of the 3rd preseason game.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
(Yeah, I know, we all thought it, too.)
I love Spikes. I love the fact that football starts this week.
This defense has a shot to be very good. Reid and Heckert finally got a LB and a run-stuffing DT.
This should have been in bold.
QuoteSince arriving via a trade with Buffalo, Spikes has been rightly praised for his role with Roger Goodell's new behavior police. A model citizen in a league looking to eradicate the Tank Johnsons and Chris Henrys of the world, Spikes has been lauded for his quiet intensity, his intelligence and his willingness to stand up and say that thuggery doesn't equate to cool.
What's been lost in the translation of all this Mr. Takeo Spikes, Esq., stuff is that he is every bit as nasty on the field as he is nice off it.
Boing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
I love the fact that football starts this week.
Are you going to TC this year and posting those reports or whatever? That shtein is awesome.
His neck scares me. Those traps could kill someone
This dude is going to change the entire defense
hopefully more than the other teams hes been on...his next playoff game will be his first
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 11:24:36 AM
This dude is going to change the entire defense
hopefully more than the other teams hes been on...his next playoff game will be his first
He's been on trash teams IGs. Teams where the best leader/player/motivator wouldn't have been able to do shtein.
The best can always make a difference. That's what makes them the best. He'll help of course but let's not go jerking each other off just yet.
not only were his defenses bad but horribly bad...defenses hes been on have finished last in the league like four times...a couple years buffalos was good...must of been those years where takeo worked his magic
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
The best can always make a difference. That's what makes them the best. He'll help of course but let's not go jerking each other off just yet.
We need a reason for that?
yes, can't wait for the defense to have a new mentality! ya know when the offfense is on the field 1 minute and the defense 8 minutes. god our defense is going to be so much better
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
let's not go jerking each other off just yet.
:(
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
The best can always make a difference. That's what makes them the best. He'll help of course but let's not go jerking each other off just yet.
Less hugs more tugs.
Quote from: Dillen on July 25, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
Are you going to TC this year and posting those reports or whatever? That shtein is awesome.
Phreak, what's the deal? I get pumped when TC rolls around to read these, going to do them again?
wait, so we have started jerking each other off? i thought we weren't supposed to yet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2007, 11:07:05 AM
His neck scares me. Those traps could kill someone
god i hope so.
Quote from: PPinDC on July 25, 2007, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: Dillen on July 25, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
Are you going to TC this year and posting those reports or whatever? That shtein is awesome.
Phreak, what's the deal? I get pumped when TC rolls around to read these, going to do them again?
Thanks. ;D
Yeah, I'll be going up. How much exactly? I don't know yet. I leave for vacation on 09 August so I'll have a few days before then to try to get up there. I know I'll be there on the 6th for sure. Possibly next Monday too. I work midnights and dont get off until 0800 so that presents a problem with making it up there early enough to see the good stuff. The afternoon practices suck ass because they don't do anything worth watching to be honest. It all goes down in the AM sessions.
In previous years I would take vacation days to go up and watch - but since I'm going on "real" vacation this year I won't be up as much. I'd guess I'll make at least 3 trips.
QuoteBears acquired DT Darwin Walker from the Bills in exchange for an undisclosed 2008 draft pick.
Buffalo likely got a fifth-round pick or better from Chicago; the Bills would've received a sixth-rounder had Walker continued to hold out of training camp and had his rights revert to the Eagles. Walker will add depth and a proven pass-rushing interior presence behind Tommie Harris in Chicago. The Bears have probably already worked out an agreement to redo his contract.
walkers a decent player...def a good depth provider...but i cant understand why anyone would wanna re do his deal for him
and trade a draft pick on top of it
Because the Bears have nothing at DT.
Tank Johnson is gone.
Ian Scott is here (betcha they wish they would have signed him now)
Tommie Harris (stud)
ex-PSU/49er Anthony Adams
Isreal Idonije
Antonio Garay
Tony Collins
That's what they've got.
Considering they are coming off a SB, they did exactly what the Eagles did after their SB loss - instead of signing guys to improve, they have done nothing.
Hahaha. Curse of the Super Bowl loser's gonna hit Chicago hard this year. In the ass, in fact. Without teh lube.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2007, 09:39:28 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 26, 2007, 09:36:21 PM
Bye Darwin. We'll miss the weird grooves in your head...
That actually made me laugh very hard.
just re-reading this thread, and this made me laugh my ass off again :-D
Walker - 5 years $25 million (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20070801_Walker_agrees_to_5-year___25M_contract_with_Bears.html)
That's a lot of money and years to give to a 30 year old pass rushing DT who's only good half a season.
looks to me like its a one year deal...hell make 5 this year plus whatever sb he got which cant be high and they will cut him next year
It takes 5 million to sign a DT of Walker's caliber now a days? The NFL is going to have NBA-type salaries in a couple of years.
What the hell else are teams going to do with a hundred million dollar cap? Give Manning and Brady even more money?
Quote from: General_Failure on August 02, 2007, 03:22:03 AM
What the hell else are teams going to do with a hundred million dollar cap? Give Manning and Brady even more money?
Manning and Brady endorse this line of thinking.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2007, 08:07:54 AM
looks to me like its a one year deal...hell make 5 this year plus whatever sb he got which cant be high and they will cut him next year
IGY speaks the TROOF
QuotePOSTED 2:14 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 2:30 p.m. EDT, August 2, 2007
BEARS GOT A GREAT DEAL ON DARWIN
A league source tells us that the new contract signed by Bears defensive tackle Darwin Walker is, in essence, a one-year deal with a team option on four more.
Walker will make a base salary of $1.9 million in 2007, a $600,000 increase over what he was due to earn in his prior contract.
In March, a $5 million option bonus comes due. The only way that the Bears can avoid it is to cut him before then.
Years two through four average roughly $3.5 million per year, with the option bonus included in that number. The fifth year, per the source, is a sham -- which means that it likely carries an unrealistically high salary.
So, for the Bears, they get a one-year test drive with Walker. If they like what they see, they pay the $5 million and pick up the balance of a pretty reasonable deal, especially in a market that has made guys we'd never heard of into multi-millionaires. If the Bears don't like Walker, they walk away.
It also has been reported that the fifth-round deal that the Bears gave to Buffalo for Walker can upgrade to a fourth-rounder based on the number of snaps that Walker takes this year.
QuoteWalker looking for a fresh beginning with Bears
By Vaughn McClure
Chicago Tribune
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BOURBONNAIS, Ill. (MCT) -- Darwin Walker was minding his business driving down a Philadelphia-area interstate one afternoon when another driver sped up next to him, arms flailing. Walker figured the guy had something important to say, so he courteously slowed down.
Bad move.
"I'm thinking I had a flat tire," the Bears' new defensive tackle recalled. "So I rolled down my car window, and the guy yelled, 'You (stink).'
"That's Philly for you."
Save for the obnoxious die-hards, Walker has no regrets about his six-plus seasons with the Eagles, with whom he went to four NFC championship games and a Super Bowl. But there is a good reason the 30-year-old veteran is so giddy about his new Windy City digs.
"People just don't understand that I love Chicago because I've been here so much," Walker said. "Over the last two, three years, this has been my town."
Walker's wife, the former Danielle Smith, grew up in the city's Beverly neighborhood, went to Whitney Young High School and is a graduate of the University of Illinois engineering school, so the Walkers have been making annual visits from their southern New Jersey home. Danielle's father, Charles Smith, retired as a deputy chief of the Chicago Police Department after 33 years of service.
"My wife always told me he was a cop, but she never told me he was deputy chief," Walker said. "He's one of those guys who has that quiet confidence about him. You know you better not mess with him."
The same can be said of Walker. At 6 feet 3 inches and 294 pounds, and with a bit of a mean streak, he's an intimidating presence on the field. Go to his Web site, www.darwinwalker.com, and you'll find a list he calls "casualties," the QBs he has sacked over his career. Walker even references his young son, Darwin Jr., as "the next quarterback killah."
Bears special teams coach David Toub, who coached Walker as a defensive line assistant in Philadelphia, said there was only one minor issue the Eagles had with Walker.
"There were a couple of times where he would rough a quarterback," Toub recalled. "We'd have to get on him for that."
Toub was talking about in games. Walker admitted it happened in practice too.
"Donovan McNabb, A.J. Feeley, Koy Detmer -- I got all of them," Walker said of his former Eagles teammates. "But I didn't rough them up that bad. You just worked so hard to get to them, you hate that when you get there, you have to stop."
Walker seems like a gentle giant away from football. Part of the reason the Bears made the trade with Buffalo to obtain him was they envisioned a productive No. 99, minus the character issues. His off-season hangout is Pennoni Associates Inc., a Philadelphia-based engineering consulting firm, where he is vice president.
"It works out great for me," Walker said. "Hopefully, when I get done playing, I can move right into that same career."
Walker developed a business sense growing up in South Carolina, where both his parents were licensed contractors. He earned a degree in civil engineering from Tennessee, and he met Danielle in 2003 when she was working on an MBA from Penn's prestigious Wharton School. The two formed a partnership in the business Walker started in Knoxville called Progressive Engineering. It since has merged with Pennoni, a firm of 925 employees with 22 offices.
Danielle ran Progressive Engineering for a while before the merger. Now she's raising their baby, leaving the business decisions to her husband.
"When it comes to business, Darwin always has his hands into something," Danielle Walker said. " When it comes to finances, 401Ks, real estate ventures, he knows all the ins and outs. He's detailed oriented. "
Walker's contract negotiations would speak to that. The Eagles traded him to Buffalo after last season, but he never reported to the Bills. He wanted a long-term deal and Buffalo wasn't budging. But Walker got the long-term deal he was looking for from the Bears: five years and $25 million after originally agreeing to a one-year deal worth $2.3 million.
"With all the drama we've been through (with Buffalo), we would have taken just a one-year deal and came out and did what we had to do," Walker said. "Fortunately, the Bears saw it a little different. And we're excited about that."
Before the trade, Walker had been working out in the Chicago area. A couple of fans recognized him once but they didn't say much. Then again, he wasn't driving on an interstate in Philly.
"In Philly, the fans are a lot more fickle," Walker said. "Here they love the team more."
And they'll certainly love Walker -- as long as he produces.
Hey Darwin! You suck! fargin sharpei headed motherfarger.
Fickle? Sour grapes.
Way to rough up your teammates in practice after the whistle too, idiot.
Quote"In Philly, the fans are a lot more fickle," Walker said. "Here they love the team more."
Funniest quote ever. :-D
TKO was just on Sirius as they are at camp from 1-3. Reid was the 1st interview seemed really relaxed and friendly.. TKO was up next and he was saying hes 100% and ready to help the D go to the SB. McNabb was in the background busting his balls. Then 5 went up to the mic and started mimicing the reporters. Bob Pappa says he has a future as a broadcaster, Mcnabb says he was more looking to get into Male Exotic dancing, maybe some modeling, maybe even a Hand Model. Clowning around big time till TKO told him it was time for him to go! Pretty funny stuff
Donovan can play class clown all he wants after he wins a Super Bowl.
But for now, I'm sick of his act. Try practicing and conditioning so that you're on the field and effective when it counts, douche.
I am so sure that cracking a joke after practice is going to keep him from being properly conditioned.
well, it doesn't help he throws up after each joke
So do i.
should be doing commercials for MOM (Milk of Magnesia) with his mother. Momma McNabb makes you nausious (sp) listening to her talk how her son is picked on. And her son pukes at the slightest bit of real adversity
You are an idiot.
im sick of it too. he should be doing pushups instead off jokes. he should also be answering questions within seconds of a made up controversy. he should also be like TO and be mentally tough.
There's no fun in football! Stop being a human being McNabb. You need to be a robot.
i don't care about him trying to have fun...but christ, he's a corny mother farger
Quote from: SunMo on August 06, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
i don't care about him trying to have fun...but christ, he's a corny mother farger
Almost like looking in a mirror, isn't it?
no...i'm not black, and both my knees are good
Quote from: SunMo on August 06, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
i don't care about him trying to have fun...but christ, he's a corny mother farger
Yeah, some of the stuff he says is pretty lame, but sometimes I find it funny because it is in response to the ridiculous questions the reporters ask over and over. Also sometimes he says it in a gay school girl giggly kind of way, but it is still better than the alternative:
(http://images.askmen.com/men/celeb_profiles_sports/pictures/eli_manning/eli_manning.jpg)
true...but i care about what he does on the field 98% and what he says in his pressers 2% anyway
Quote from: SunMo on August 06, 2007, 09:27:56 PM
no...i'm not black, and both my knees are good
You're a catcher and have two good knees? What kind of man are you?
well, two good knees meaning they don't have 12 inch stitch marks running up the center of them
That's really all we want. A whiny, bitchy McNabb that never smiles and sometimes punches bitches at nightclubs. Thug is up, Donovan. I wanna see the jail pose in this year's team portrait.
[igy]Yeah they'd definately win a SB then[/igy]
You're not good at this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2005, 09:27:39 AM
Do you live in a cave? The guy has always said seriously funny things
we have different definitions of funny then...mcnabb is so painfully unfunny its uncomfortable most of the time...i literally have to turn the station...
^^listen to this man^^
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 06, 2007, 07:16:33 PM
im sick of it too. he should be doing pushups instead off jokes. he should also be answering questions within seconds of a made up controversy. he should also be like TO and be mentally tough.
TO is not mentally tough! He acts like a 10 year old. Are you really sure that you want to endorse 5 acting like TO... good call magical retard
sarcasm dookie
and what does 3rdstreetmafia mean
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 08, 2007, 03:02:13 PM
TO is not mentally tough! He acts like a 10 year old. Are you really sure that you want to endorse 5 acting like TO... good call magical retard
wow
WOW upside down is MOM.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 03:04:40 PM
sarcasm dookie
and what does 3rdstreetmafia mean
What does ice grillin you mean?
and my bad, i guess i'm not up to your cool forum sarcasm
or your average run of the mill variety either
Quote from: SunMo on August 08, 2007, 03:20:24 PM
or your average run of the mill variety either
hahah....hey wait a min!
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 08, 2007, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 06, 2007, 07:16:33 PM
im sick of it too. he should be doing pushups instead off jokes. he should also be answering questions within seconds of a made up controversy. he should also be like TO and be mentally tough.
TO is not mentally tough! He acts like a 10 year old. Are you really sure that you want to endorse 5 acting like TO... good call magical retard
I love this guy.
Wait a minute............I thought it was McNabb that was a mental miget. Not the great brainchild, TO!
AJC:
QuoteThe Falcons recently had preliminary trade discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about veteran backup Kelly Holcomb but there were no talks about such a deal Saturday.
DJ Shockley sprained his knee last night, so they'd be down to Harrington and Redman if it's anything serious...
I would think they may want Holcomb to compete for the starting job. Harrington isn't going to get it done, and Holcomb can manage the game well if they establish a decent running game.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 18, 2007, 08:10:13 PM
I would think they may want Holcomb to compete for the starting job. Harrington isn't going to get it done, and Holcomb can manage the game well if they establish a decent running game.
Ugh...why? Why not just take the 3-13 season and get a top QB propect next year? What's Holcomb getting you? 8-8? 9-7 at best. The Falcons just need to take this season on the chin, blame it on Vick, and draft a new "face" for their franchise.
That being said I hope we get at least a 5th for his ass.
it's a good point. That franchise needs to rebuild anyway and how often does a team get a built in excuse that won't have the fans up in arms?
That being said, I'd offer Feeley for a second :sly
Rich McKay hasn't really been an Einstein since leaving Tampa for Atl. Who knows what he might give up for Holcomb after trading away Shaub, especially since Shockley is now out for the year. A fifth seems very doable since they will probably sit well in the '08 draft, getting the Texans second rounder next year as part of the Schaub deal.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 19, 2007, 11:40:23 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on August 18, 2007, 08:10:13 PM
I would think they may want Holcomb to compete for the starting job. Harrington isn't going to get it done, and Holcomb can manage the game well if they establish a decent running game.
Ugh...why? Why not just take the 3-13 season and get a top QB propect next year? What's Holcomb getting you? 8-8? 9-7 at best. The Falcons just need to take this season on the chin, blame it on Vick, and draft a new "face" for their franchise.
That being said I hope we get at least a 5th for his ass.
I agree with Joel here. If there's ever been a year that a team could point at a player and lay the blame for their impending doom squarely on his shoulders, it's this year with Mexico.
Take it on the chin this year, end up with the worst record in the NFL and draft Brian Brohm in 2008. Problem solved.
You know, if the Falcons focus on the run, which they are well prepared to do, and their defense plays relatively well they won't be a bad team. I think you guys are forgetting how terrible Vick was as a QB and overrating his role as the franchise savior. Harrionton sucks, but it's not as though he'll be asked to chuck it downfield every other play. The offense is usually short/intermediate passing, which Harrington should be able to handle. Anyway, all of this talk about them being the worst team in the league this year is a little ridiculous. A running game and a good defense will win more often than not.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 09:09:46 AM
You know, if the Falcons focus on the run, which they are well prepared to do, and their defense plays relatively well they won't be a bad team. I think you guys are forgetting how terrible Vick was as a QB and overrating his role as the franchise savior. Harrionton sucks, but it's not as though he'll be asked to chuck it downfield every other play. The offense is usually short/intermediate passing, which Harrington should be able to handle. Anyway, all of this talk about them being the worst team in the league this year is a little ridiculous. A running game and a good defense will win more often than not.
Werd. All I was saying was that Holcomb would be better at managing the game, making less mistakes than Harrington. If he does that and the defense and run game are doing average to great, they could be a solid team, not going to go deep in the playoffs or anything, but remember, they do play in the NFC. I think with the talent they have in the running game and on defense, it would be quite obvious that they were tanking the vast majority of the games. Harrington is teh suk, but I don't think he's bad enough to making the 3-13.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 19, 2007, 11:40:23 PM
Ugh...why? Why not just take the 3-13 season and get a top QB propect next year? What's Holcomb getting you? 8-8? 9-7 at best. The Falcons just need to take this season on the chin, blame it on Vick, and draft a new "face" for their franchise.
That being said I hope we get at least a 5th for his ass.
I didn't look at it this way, and it does make some sense. I don't think they could be the worst team in the entire NFL, but they could definately work themselves into the top five.
Ummm... weren't they 7-9 last year WITH Vick??
Also - they're a "running" team because their former quarterback runs the ball better than anyone else on offense.
Take Vick out of the equation and they're less than mediocre on offense, especially running the ball. Take away the time of possession advantage the defense enjoys and they're just as susceptible as any other team on that side of the ball.
Atlanta's going to be miserable without Vick. And let's not forget they have a rookie head coach this year as well. They'd be mediocre with him but without him - smelly farts.
My point is that Harrington is a better QB than Vick as far as actually throwing the ball is concerned and on a bad team in a 'manage the game' environment last year in Miami he did pretty well. Dunn and Norwood was fantastic runners. I think 7-9 sounds about right for them. I don't see Vick as making the difference in the win column. He sucks ass.
I hope they go 0-16. Not enough bad things can happen to that franchise as far as I'm concerned.
I have absolutely no animosity towards the Falcons outside of Vick. I liked their last two coaches. I like run-first, tough-D teams. AndI like Arthur Blank. Vick was the only thing about that team that I hated and now he's going to jail. I win.
You like Arthur Blank? You liked that flag Jim Mora, Jr.?
Good God, man.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 09:30:28 AM
My point is that Harrington is a better QB than Vick as far as actually throwing the ball is concerned and on a bad team in a 'manage the game' environment last year in Miami he did pretty well. Dunn and Norwood was fantastic runners. I think 7-9 sounds about right for them. I don't see Vick as making the difference in the win column. He sucks ass.
One thing you have to remember though is that a reason that Dunn and Norwood had things so good was because opposing D's were so preoccupied with Vick's running. That won't be there now. Then consider that Dunn is getting up there in age, not to mention coming off a back injury that's costing him the preseason and Norwood is still largely unproven... there's no guarantees that they're running game will be that special. Also... the Falcons' running style was basically a carbon copy of Denver's... with smaller, faster o-linemen who relied on a whole lot of chop blocking. Petrino's abandoned that style and has started incorporating bigger o-lineman who rely more on power... even though as it stands, they're not necessarily equipped to do so... IMO, anyway.
The Falcons' o-line has historically been terrible at pass blocking... but the thing is that Vick was able to escape a lot of oncoming pressure with his speed. Harrington's going to be getting smacked around... and you know that's going to lead to a whole lot of INT's as he starts throwing off that back foot to avoid the pressure.
This has already been a whole lot longer than I intended this to be so I'll just sum it up by saying that their D ain't really shtein either, especially in the secondary.
5-11 or 6-10 for the Falcons.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 09:30:28 AM
My point is that Harrington is a better QB than Vick
Exactly. The few times Vick didn't play in games that mattered, the offense looked suprisingly good. Even the bum wide recievers looked decent. Remeber the game when Matt Schaub hung 300 yards and three TDs on the Pats? I think Schaub is probably a better QB than Harrington, which isn't saying much, and Harrington a better conventional QB than Vick. Other than Crumpler, opposing teams never respected the Falcons passing attack, and focused on stopping their run game. Now, I don't expect their passing game to be world-class, but I certainly believe it will be better than when Vick was there, which if anything, will give the run game more room to make it's money.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 09:56:33 AM
You like Arthur Blank? You liked that flag Jim Mora, Jr.?
Good God, man.
Mora coached his offense the way I wish Andy coached the Eagles'. They ran and ran and ran some more. Blank is completely in touch with his fan base in ways that the Eagles' ownership couldn't begin to be. I don't really hate Lurie, but I would take Blank as an owner in a heartbeat.
the falcons offensive and defensive lines are both not very good...which is not the way to go about having a tough d and a running game...also joey harrignton sucks horribly...hes not better than vick...even at passing...just because vick was hideously overrated doesnt make bums like joey harrington better than him in any way shape or form
if they give up anything less than a 7th rounder for holcolmb who they know is gonna get cut and have limited interest then they are retarded...as bill said what the hell is he gonna do for them this year
Quote
Falcons | Shockley suffers torn ACL; out for the season
Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:15:41 -0700
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Atlanta Falcons QB D.J. Shockley (knee) suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament and also suffered damage to the medial collateral ligament in his left knee. He will miss the 2007 season as a result.
Just got more interesting I suppose. Who's backing up Joey Harrington now???
Kelly Holcomb.
Shane Falco.
Johnny Utah.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 08:59:19 AMTake it on the chin this year, end up with the worst record in the NFL and draft Brian Brohm in 2008. Problem solved.
...and since Petrino was his coach the last few years, it seems like a fit.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 20, 2007, 10:37:04 AMWho's backing up Joey Harrington now???
Chris Redman
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 20, 2007, 01:04:43 PM
Chris Redman
Holy shtein.
Quote
CAREER
Spent four seasons with the Ravens (2000-03), playing in 10 games with six starts and completing 106 of 198 passes for 1,111 yards with seven touchdowns and five interceptions. His record as a starter was 3-3.
2006
Spent the year out of football.
2005 (TITANS)
Spent training camp with the Tennessee Titans.
2004
Spent the year out of football.
2003 (RAVENS)
Saw action in two games for the Ravens, completing 7 of 13 passes for 58 yards in addition to rushing two times for four yards.
Made one pass attempt vs. Cleveland (9/14).
Completed 7 of 12 passes for 58 yards with two interceptions at St. Louis (11/9).
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 09:56:33 AM
You like Arthur Blank? You liked that flag Jim Mora, Jr.?
Good God, man.
Mora coached his offense the way I wish Andy coached the Eagles'.
How many playoff wins did all that unbalanced offensive play-calling get the Falcons?
His running and running and refusing to incorporate a legitimate passing game into his offensive scheme is exactly what you're decrying Reid for with the focus on passing with the Eagles.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 09:56:33 AM
You like Arthur Blank? You liked that flag Jim Mora, Jr.?
Good God, man.
Mora coached his offense the way I wish Andy coached the Eagles'.
How many playoff wins did all that unbalanced offensive play-calling get the Falcons?
His running and running and refusing to incorporate a legitimate passing game into his offensive scheme is exactly what you're decrying Reid for.
And didn't even get them as far as Reid has gotten the Eagles.
Stop "helping" Munson.
NO! I gotta shtein.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 09:56:33 AM
You like Arthur Blank? You liked that flag Jim Mora, Jr.?
Good God, man.
Mora coached his offense the way I wish Andy coached the Eagles'.
How many playoff wins did all that unbalanced offensive play-calling get the Falcons?
His running and running and refusing to incorporate a legitimate passing game into his offensive scheme is exactly what you're decrying Reid for with the focus on passing with the Eagles.
What is your point exactly? Are you trying to convince me to dislike run-first play-calling coaches? Good luck there, chuckles.
Mora lover.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 01:52:03 PM
His running and running and refusing to incorporate a legitimate passing game into his offensive scheme is exactly what you're decrying Reid for with the focus on passing with the Eagles.
It's not like he had Dan Marino. He used what players he had perfectly. If you think the Falcons would have been best served letting Vick air it out 25 or 30 times a game rather then run Dunn, Duckett and Vick 40 times a game, well...
the falcons problem in the passing game (other than the obviousness of vick not being a very good passer) is that they whiffed on all their wr draft picks...it wasnt like they didnt try to upgrade it
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2007, 02:13:13 PM
the falcons problem in the passing game (other than the obviousness of vick not being a very good passer) is that they whiffed on all their wr draft picks...it wasnt like they didnt try to upgrade it
I still think the jury is out of the whiff part, sure, there aren't any "waiting to burst out superstars" in Jenkins, White, or anyone else they have at WR, but they could be solid serviceable guys given the oppurtunity to play with a QB who actually plays like a QB and not a RB with an arm.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 20, 2007, 01:55:58 PM
What is your point exactly? Are you trying to convince me to dislike run-first play-calling coaches? Good luck there, chuckles.
I'm trying to convince you to commit suicide.
It's all subliminal, though.
Failure.
Stangle?
Eskin's reporting the Vikings and Eagles are working on a deal for Holcomb and that the only hold up is the agreed upon draft pick.
Hahahahaha, farging Childress. I love it.
Ha. If I were a Vikings fan I would be seriously farging pissed. Minny is a dumping ground for unused Eagles
Vikes fans are pissed that tavaris jackson threw four passes this week.
Seriously, if you have a QB that needs experience, why woukld you not have him play most of the preseason games?
They have Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson. Chances are passing isn't going to be a big part of the gameplan.
But ESPN said Jackson was the next McNabb!
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 20, 2007, 05:14:39 PM
But ESPN said Jackson was the next McNabb!
He isn't?
a vikings 08 sixth rounder could be the next rashad barksdale
Quote from: PPinDC on August 20, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 20, 2007, 05:14:39 PM
But ESPN said Jackson was the next McNabb!
He isn't?
Nope - Jackson will actually stay healthy more seasons than not.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 20, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
Nope - Jackson will actually stay healthy more seasons than not.
It's hard to get injured in the NFL when you're holding a clipboard.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
It's hard to get injured in the NFL when you're holding a clipboard.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38512000/jpg/_38512247_detmer300.jpg)
That would be an excellent photo representation if Koy wasn't actually playing against San Fran when he got hurt.
;)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 07:35:50 PM
That would be an excellent photo representation if Koy wasn't actually playing against San Fran when he got hurt.
;)
BTW why did he need a cart ?I thought it was his elbow that bent the wrong way.
That's how they roll in the Bay Area.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42283000/jpg/_42283082_paterno203.jpg)
Can't he just die already?
Quote from: PPinDC on August 20, 2007, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
It's hard to get injured in the NFL when you're holding a clipboard.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38512000/jpg/_38512247_detmer300.jpg)
LMFAO :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
It's hard to get injured in the NFL when you're holding a clipboard.
Ha!
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Titans Mascot Runs Cart Into Saints QB
NASHVILLE, Tenn., Aug. 13, 2006
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(AP) New Orleans quarterback Adrian McPherson went to the locker room early in the third quarter after a golf cart ridden by the Titans' mascot hit him at the end of halftime Saturday night.
A Saints spokesman wasn't immediately available for an update on the quarterback, who's heading into his second season.
The mascot was riding on a golf cart and throwing items into the stands during halftime, and was heading off the field when the Saints were returning from their locker room for the third quarter.
The cart hit McPherson, who stayed on the field for a few minutes being checked out by a trainer on the sideline. He then walked off the field.
I think McPherson sued the Titans for 20 mil after that....
Supposedly NFL Network reported that Holcomb was traded to Minnesota...
We got Billy McMullen back?
for a 6th rd pick 2008
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 27, 2007, 03:38:01 PM
Supposedly NFL Network reported that Holcomb was traded to Minnesota...
Shocker of all shocks.
i'll be pissed if it's anything less than a 3rd round pick
So essentially, the birds traded a 7th Round pick and Darwin Walker, for a 6th Round pick and Takeo Spikes?
Not too bad.
I'm guessing that 6th round pick will be traded next april for a 5th rounder in 2009.
The birds will eventually have traded Darwin Walker and a 7th rounder for Spikes and the #1 overall pick. Just takes some time.
PE.com says it is an undisclosed pick in 09.
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2007, 03:54:36 PM
i'll be pissed if it's anything less than a 3rd round pick
You mean like Billy McMullen?
that guy could draw a pass interference call, couldn't he?
Can we talk about how hilarious it is that Spikes is going to miss the playoffs again this year?
At least he got to play a MNF game out of the deal
spikes talks way to much for how good a player he is
The only way it would have been better is if the team had been good enough to make the playoffs but he got injured and paralyzed right before the playoffs started.
and they bring his wheel chair to the tunnel for inspiration at the first playoff game, and when the team runs out, they accidentally run over him and trample him to death
And then Brian Dawkins accidentally eats his carcass in front of his children after the halftime show? Of the Superbowl? While intercepting a pass from God!?!?!?!?!;1i@*1y23bf
that's totally unrealistic...
Spikes doesn't have children
Dude looks like a farging alien. What is the deal with that chin? farging creepy. I like Matt McCoy's googly eyes at the WIL spot.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 05:00:05 PM
Can we talk about how hilarious it is that Spikes is going to miss the playoffs again this year?
Yes, let's do.