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QuoteDonovan McNabb will have a day to bask in the Super Bowl spotlight. It just won't be Sunday.
McNabb essentially will make his first public appearance since suffering a season-ending knee injury back in November when he appears at a function for Chunky Soup at 4:45 p.m. Wednesday in Miami, site of Super Bowl XLI.
There, McNabb will present a check in the amount of 1 million cans of soup to a representative from the Daily Bread Food Bank, who will accept it on behalf of all local food banks nationwide benefiting from the donation.
What could be an interesting question-and-answer session will follow the presentation.
or will it not?
Much ado about farging nothing.
Much ado about farging nothing.
maybe maybe not...what is certain tho is that it would carry a lot less meaning if andy had just let him speak last week
I'll skip it. Jocks need to shut up, all of 'em.
wip reporting donovan also has one on one interviews set up with espn and nfl network
I'm sure it will be mostly vanilla, but he'll say a couple of things that will be interesting out-of-context.
McNabb will also be on with Tony Bruno on Thursday, 11am.
WIP won't report that one because it's going to air on Sportstalk 950
It will be completely uninteresting, I believe.
It will be "interesting" in the sense that it will be sure to strum up all sorts of lovely questions such as...
Does Donovan want to be in Philadelphia?
Is Donovan still the leader of the team?
Is Donovans relationship w/ Andy scarred due to his reluctance to let him speak last week?
All of these questions will receive answers that will then be blown so far out of proportion for the sole purpose that guys like Wilbon and Kornheiser have something to debate.
Bottom line is this...
Donovan is the QB of this team.
Donovan wants to be here.
Who cares what his relationship with the fat man is, as long as the team is winning.
I hope he says some really crazy shtein. Like he and Andy got into multiple fist fights during the season. I love drama.
He's supposed to do an interview on Sirius 4:00 Wedsnday.
I bet he picks at his nose five times or more.
I hope he's asked about the Eagles more balanced offense in his absence. To what does he attribute the more effective run game?
i may have missed it but i looked and didnt see it....if this has been discussed already i apologize....thoughts??
Stephen A. Smith | McNabb has character, but not leadership
By Stephen A. Smith
Inquirer Columnist
Donovan McNabb is a great person. Donovan McNabb is not a great leader. That was the case when he arrived in Philadelphia. It is the case now. And long after coach Andy Reid finishes spewing his rhetoric of irresponsible conduct in a flagrant attempt to shift focus of the latest storylines from McNabb to the cynics monitoring his every move, that is the reality that remains stagnant, refusing to budge until Reid and his star pupil grasp a clue.
The Eagles made news last week for all the wrong reasons yet again. Reports surfaced that McNabb was unhappy with the Eagles, that he was in a squabble with the team about his rehabilitation from the knee surgery that ended his 2006 season. Additional reports leaked that McNabb was behind in his rehab, that he blamed trainer Rick Burkholder and that it was believed the cancellation of McNabb's news conference the previous week came about because Reid was concerned McNabb would blab about all of his concerns.
Reid, of course, denies the veracity of any of these reports. As does McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith.
"None of these stories quoted him," Smith told The Inquirer's Bob Brookover last week. "They're all quoting sources close to Donovan. They claim to know what he thinks and what he's feeling. Who are these people? I don't know."
And where, exactly, is McNabb?
As usual, nowhere to be found.
When McNabb needs to lead, someone else is always stepping up. When McNabb needs to speak, there's always someone else on a soap box speaking on his behalf. It's Reid one minute, Momma or Papa McNabb the next. Yet, others are left behind, finding themselves being ridiculed for the things being said about McNabb in the end.
How does this happen?
About the only time McNabb has stepped up and spoken on his own behalf in a timely fashion is when the Rush Limbaugh fiasco went down. Back then, McNabb spoke his piece, appeared bothered by others on the airwaves who procrastinated in coming to his defense. Back then, McNabb seemed as if he had pushed the Eagles aside, said, "Hey, I'm a man before I'm a football player," and appeared in total control, determined to define himself and not let anyone else do so for him.
Things have changed since that day in October 2003. Image has become conspicuously more important than anything else, and the result is a player who has become temperamental, along with the organization he represents, and goodness only knows how long it will be before McNabb's family chimes in and explodes.
It was reported just days ago that McNabb was upset because of how his mother was portrayed after reportedly saying she had "bittersweet" feelings watching the Eagles' success. But this was the same McNabb who took issue with how his father was portrayed after the elder McNabb decided to compare Terrell Owens' chiding his son to "black-on-black crime."
If McNabb hasn't had problems with the portrayal of his parents - from information disseminated through their own mouths - he's had problems with reports on everything from the child he and his wife were expecting to how he should have handled things a bit more abrasively with Owens.
Let it be said right here again: The Eagles were a divided locker room when Owens was around. Most of it was because of Owens' petulance. The rest of it was because of McNabb's refusal or inability to deal with it man-to-man.
In the land of the Eagles, very little fault falls on the shoulders of McNabb. Then they have the audacity to appear perplexed as to why their locker room was divided in the first place.
McNabb doesn't come late to practice. He doesn't try to divide a locker room. He was raised beautifully, knows how to act, and could sit at anyone's dinner table.
The thing is, it doesn't make McNabb the complete package, just the package the Eagles wish the rest of their players possessed. Hence, the recipe for the dissension and turmoil Reid historically squashes but never eliminates.
We'll all find out where Jeff Garcia will be next season within a few weeks, but it will probably take longer for us to learn how some in the locker room wish he were staying around for a while. And it won't be because they prefer Garcia over McNabb or think he's better.
It will be solely because they all want McNabb to earn his stripes like everyone else.
McNabb has been labeled Reid's guy for quite some time, and he has acted like it, too.
For a while, many thought it was at the team's expense. Now it appears to be at McNabb's expense.
Never mind wondering how long McNabb will tolerate this.
Wonder, instead, if he even notices.
Why is he still writing columns.
wow that was quicker than i thought....i figured it would take more than one post for someone to bash the loud black man instead of forming an opinion on what he said
Because now people will read them in his voith.
It's as if Stephen A. really wants to rip into McNabb hard, but he's slightly holding off to keep his options open.
Quite frankly, it's nothing we haven't heard before and not that interesting.
Quite frankly? :-D
B+
It's as if Stephen A. really wants to rip into McNabb hard, but he's slightly holding off to keep his options open.
it doesnt have to be all or none...thats what i dont get about a lot of fans...even if the evidence says to the contrary its like you have to either defend a guy to the death or murder him all the time...its clear that steven a likes mcnabb a lot and doesnt want to kill him but in the end he has to speak the truth...which is a perfectly normal position to take
Journalists aren't supposed to "like" guys. If they have something negative to say, they should get their point across without hesitation. The irony of this is that usually I dislike Stephen A's work because he stirs the pot and acts all angry just to stay in persona, but there isn't much substance there. However, in this case, I think the substance is mostly correct and he's certainly echoing the sentiments of many of the more knowledgeable Philly fan base, but he presents it in a more vanilla fashion than usual. It's just not well done.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2007, 08:35:58 AM
Quite frankly? :-D
B+
Can't get anything past you. Ha.
It's truth for you because you agree with it, IGY.
What you fail to understand is not everyone agrees with you or what Smith has written. Like FF said, it's just more of the same age-old horseshtein that's been beaten to death for years.
Journalists aren't supposed to "like" guys
youre confusing liking people and rooting for teams
there isnt a writer on earth who wont come right out and say they dislike this guy and really like this guy...happens every minute of every day...what they are supposed to do above all else is be honest and thats what stephen a is doing here...hes fully admitting mcnabb is a great person and he likes him but in the end hes being truthful in saying he doesnt feel as tho hes a leader...absolutely nothing wrong with that...especially from smith who is one guy that wont hesitate to annihilate people...in some cases tho thats not called for
It's truth for you because you agree with it, IGY.
What you fail to understand is not everyone agrees with you or what Smith has written
its truth because the evidence says so...mcnabb is a good football player and a good person...but as an emotionally tough leadership type of guy...not so much...i dont know how anyone can dispute that...
now what you can argue is if mcnabb is like that because of reids coddling of him or is it just the type of personality he has carried his whole life...thats the million dollar question
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ouch
In all of these articles... from Eckel's to ESPN's to Smith's, I keep looking for facts, yet I can't find any.
In every one of these articles, which started with Eckel's repeatedly says "reportedly" that McNabb feels this way and McNabb feels that way. Trust me... in the media world, "reportedly" means "I ain't got shtein." It's simply gossip and the only reason it's gathered steam is because other writers/reporters/analysts are anxious to get there name in the fray on the subject without having anything themselves. Read the article again. Stephen A.'s article is nothing but a report on Eckel's article with his own opinions thrown on top of it.
Like Fletcher Smith said... everyone is talking to sources "close" to McNabb. That's not where facts come from. Facts come from the man himself and none of these guys have talked to him. They all complain about how silent he's been since his injury and how he won't talk to them, yet they all claim to know he's upset about things. It's pure speculation and gossip.
Unfortunately, that doesn't stop other writers, analysts and fans from taking this speculation as the gospel as to what McNabb is thinking.
if it walks like a duck....
McNabb sometimes reminds me of the kid on the playground you always pick on and he gets upset about it but you actually think he's a cool person you just pick on him because it's easy. Lighten up Nabby. You da man!
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 30, 2007, 10:24:12 AM
Stephen A.'s article is nothing but a report on Eckel's article with his own opinions thrown on top of it.
I disagree - I think Stephen A. is questioning why McNabb doesn't step up to the plate and dismiss these rumors.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
if it walks like a duck....
It's supposed to be:
If it smells like a rat...
Or at least that's how I read it when Playboy interviewed some douchebag.
how did garcia handle TO?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 30, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
how did garcia handle TO?
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Quote from: Cerevant on January 30, 2007, 12:08:44 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 30, 2007, 10:24:12 AM
Stephen A.'s article is nothing but a report on Eckel's article with his own opinions thrown on top of it.
I disagree - I think Stephen A. is questioning why McNabb doesn't step up to the plate and dismiss these rumors.
Under the umbrella of his
opinion of what a leader is and if McNabb is a good one or not.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 30, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 30, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
how did garcia handle TO?
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I vote you make that your new avatar.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 30, 2007, 10:24:12 AM
In all of these articles... from Eckel's to ESPN's to Smith's, I keep looking for facts, yet I can't find any.
Exactly, this article is his opinion and nothing else. He might as well have been writing an editorial.
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its truth because the evidence says so...mcnabb is a good football player and a good person...but as an emotionally tough leadership type of guy...not so much...i dont know how anyone can dispute that...
I'll dispute that all day long. None of this
not a leader bullshtein was ever even thought of until that oil spill TO came to Philly. He was never thought not to be a leader while he was winning with talent that was half as good as the rest of the leagues qb's had. Christ, TO had the audacity to question Bill Parcells leadership. Vigy, you need to look past the bullshtein that the press throws out there to get people to read their crap. That Smith article is sensationalism at it's best. He's nothing but a loudmouthed hack.
None of this not a leader bullshtein was ever even thought of until that oil spill TO came to Philly. He was never thought not to be a leader while he was winning with talent that was half as good as the rest of the leagues qb's had. Christ, TO had the audacity to question Bill Parcells leadership. Vigy, you need to look past the bullshtein that the press throws out there to get people to read their crap. That Smith article is sensationalism at it's best
are you that naive to think that most people form their opinions from what writers say...did you ever think that people can watch a guy for eight years and make a judgement about what kind of person he might be...
i started to have concerns about mcnabbs emotional toughness before TO even came here...and i specifically remember having concerns not long after TO arrived...when mcnabb would act like a comppete douchebag cornball on the interview circuit with TO...you and everyone else here will think thats completely retarded but its a character trait and a character flaw in a big time athlete...i mean how many winner take killer instinct championship athletes have you ever seen act like a clown like that....mcnabb is the kind of person that when the going gets smooth hes all smiles but when the goin gets tough (whether on the field or off) mcnabb gets goin in his pants
then that same year in pittsburgh when everything went so wrong from the jump mcnabb basically gave up...he was a mess on the sideline..thats when TO tried to fire him up...and mcnabb acted like a complete baby...instead of letting TO fire him up and get his head back in the game he went into a shell...it was right then that i knew in the toughest most critical situations he would have trouble getting it done...
is it the kind of guy he is....probably
is it because in his entire life before and after he never had sometime step to him in that way.....probably
is it because andy doesnt challenge mcnabb the way he should....probably
i dont know what it is exactly...a combination of all of the above plus some other things...but mcnabb doesnt have it
whatever that "it" thing is that a lot of bigtime championship athletes have he doesnt....and i dont need sas to tell me that...because i was thinking and talking about it long before most people were...all you have to do is watch a person for X amount of years and you can make some pretty good character judgements..perhaps you should take the mcnabb goggles off and take a look
To sum up:
McNabb hasn't won a championship in Philly, therefore he isn't a leader.
He's also weak in terms of character.
Got it.
i am black
Be sure to mention that the next time you're pulled over.
Wednesday is finally here. Hurray.
McNabb on Sirius:
- Knee feels good, rehabbing well. Said he won't be 'dancing with the stars anytime soon' (Joke towards Jerry Rice who's live in the studio)
- Rehab is on schedule, pain was bad at first but isn't too bad now. Trying to get some range and motion back. Looks forward to playing on opening day
- Felt helpless because he couldn't contribute on the field
- Said 'Welcome to Philadelphia' when asked about the stuff regarding Garcia. Said they're great friends, pushed each other all year long. Were roommates in TC. Is a big Garcia fan, pushed to get him here.
- Asked about balance on offense once Garcia came in. Said "people were saying when he was in there they were scoring to fast, when Jeff was in there people said they weren't scoring fast enough".
- Called Westbrook ultimate weapon
- Said they utilized Westbrook on ground more once Jeff was at QB and used more underneath routes. More players contributed
- Asked whether he thinks Marty or Andy will call plays, said "Marty will probably call 85% of the plays but that Andy's always gonna have his hand in there" Expects Marty to hold the reins but for Andy to throw some trick plays in there
- Asked about his dissapointment with not traveling to NO, is bashing Eckel's article and said there was absolutely no truth to it and that if a reporter has sources than he should use quotes, don't just throw stuff out there and make assumptions. Said there was no friction between him and Reid.
- Jim Miller (also in studio) kissing Donovan's ass and asking him how he deals with playoffs/Superbowl. Said they had a loose bunch all during the week but once Friday rolls around it hits you. Said once they rolled up in Jacksonville it was so quiet - nerves really started to kick in. Once they started talking to media and stuff they loosened up.
- Asked about being ready for opening day and would he like to have Jeff back. Said definitely 'yes' and that he loves Jeff, thinks he's a great competitor and hard worker. It's exciting to have a guy like him on his team. He sees stuff Donovan doesn't and they work great as a tandem. Thinks its great that Jeff will be a hot commodity on the f/a market - 'he deserves it'
QuoteSaid definitely 'yes' and that he loves Jeff, thinks he's a great competitor and hard worker. It's exciting to have a guy like him on his team. He sees stuff Donovan doesn't and they work great as a tandem.
Change of pace quarterback?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2007, 06:08:43 PM
QuoteSaid definitely 'yes' and that he loves Jeff, thinks he's a great competitor and hard worker. It's exciting to have a guy like him on his team. He sees stuff Donovan doesn't and they work great as a tandem.
Change of pace quarterback?
There are times where I think that could be useful. All QBs in the NFL are whiners to some extent. I would like to see coaches use QBs like they a baseball manager, if the guy is having a bad game, send relief in. The starter would be right back out there the next week, no questions.
It would never work, i know.
It works occasionally in college, but I doubt it would ever work in the pros. Far too many factors to even bother trying it. And I was kidding anyway...
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2007, 06:47:57 PM
It works occasionally in college, but I doubt it would ever work in the pros. Far too many factors to even bother trying it. And I was kidding anyway...
Buddy Ryan was one of the few who tried it. And had a little success with it when he would use Randall Cunningham as a situational QB (on 3rd downs) during Jaworski's last season here.
no stallworth question?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 31, 2007, 05:33:02 PM
McNabb on Sirius:
- Knee feels good, rehabbing well. Said he won't be 'dancing with the stars anytime soon' (Joke towards Jerry Rice who's live in the studio)
- Rehab is on schedule, pain was bad at first but isn't too bad now. Trying to get some range and motion back. Looks forward to playing on opening day
- Felt helpless because he couldn't contribute on the field
- Said 'Welcome to Philadelphia' when asked about the stuff regarding Garcia. Said they're great friends, pushed each other all year long. Were roommates in TC. Is a big Garcia fan, pushed to get him here.
- Asked about balance on offense once Garcia came in. Said "people were saying when he was in there they were scoring to fast, when Jeff was in there people said they weren't scoring fast enough".
- Called Westbrook ultimate weapon
- Said they utilized Westbrook on ground more once Jeff was at QB and used more underneath routes. More players contributed
- Asked whether he thinks Marty or Andy will call plays, said "Marty will probably call 85% of the plays but that Andy's always gonna have his hand in there" Expects Marty to hold the reins but for Andy to throw some trick plays in there
- Asked about his dissapointment with not traveling to NO, is bashing Eckel's article and said there was absolutely no truth to it and that if a reporter has sources than he should use quotes, don't just throw stuff out there and make assumptions. Said there was no friction between him and Reid.
- Jim Miller (also in studio) kissing Donovan's ass and asking him how he deals with playoffs/Superbowl. Said they had a loose bunch all during the week but once Friday rolls around it hits you. Said once they rolled up in Jacksonville it was so quiet - nerves really started to kick in. Once they started talking to media and stuff they loosened up.
- Asked about being ready for opening day and would he like to have Jeff back. Said definitely 'yes' and that he loves Jeff, thinks he's a great competitor and hard worker. It's exciting to have a guy like him on his team. He sees stuff Donovan doesn't and they work great as a tandem. Thinks its great that Jeff will be a hot commodity on the f/a market - 'he deserves it'
I seriously could have written that yesterday without even knowing he was going to speak.
He's on NFL Network right now. Asked about TO's performance in the super bowl 2 yrs ago. Laughed at his answer, totally scripted question and answer. Looks like a jackass. :-D
Well no shtein, this was a waste of time.
Quote from: mussa on January 31, 2007, 07:17:50 PM
He's on NFL Network right now. Asked about TO's performance in the super bowl 2 yrs ago. Laughed at his answer, totally scripted question and answer. Looks like a jackass. :-D
So what was his answer?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 08:43:10 PM
None of this not a leader bullshtein was ever even thought of until that oil spill TO came to Philly. He was never thought not to be a leader while he was winning with talent that was half as good as the rest of the leagues qb's had. Christ, TO had the audacity to question Bill Parcells leadership. Vigy, you need to look past the bullshtein that the press throws out there to get people to read their crap. That Smith article is sensationalism at it's best
Quotei started to have concerns about mcnabbs emotional toughness before TO even came here...and i specifically remember having concerns not long after TO arrived...when mcnabb would act like a comppete douchebag cornball on the interview circuit with TO...you and everyone else here will think thats completely retarded but its a character trait and a character flaw in a big time athlete...i mean how many winner take killer instinct championship athletes have you ever seen act like a clown like that....mcnabb is the kind of person that when the going gets smooth hes all smiles but when the goin gets tough (whether on the field or off) mcnabb gets goin in his pants
A character flaw? Just because he doesn't act the way you expect or want him to act in front of the press?? This goes back to you constantly spectualting that you know what he goes through and what goes on in the locker rooom or in the huddle because of what you see in a friggen' interview.
Quotethen that same year in pittsburgh when everything went so wrong from the jump mcnabb basically gave up...he was a mess on the sideline..thats when TO tried to fire him up...and mcnabb acted like a complete baby...instead of letting TO fire him up and get his head back in the game he went into a shell...it was right then that i knew in the toughest most critical situations he would have trouble getting it done...
TO tried to fire him up, eh? Like he tried to fire up the Cowboys players on the sidelines who all were looking at him like he was the biggest ass on the planet? Do you honestly think that anything TO does or says on the sidelines is going to do anything to fire any player in the NFL up? Siding with TO on anything he did in Philly is the dumbest thing any Eagle fan can do. Oh yeah, I'm shore that,
you gotta' get me the ball will fire a qb up. TO did nothing but act like a complete ass on the sidelines and the everywere else the whole time he was in Philly. And you think that McNabb should have listened to him so he could have fired him up. ::)
Quoteis it the kind of guy he is....probably
is it because in his entire life before and after he never had sometime step to him in that way.....probably
is it because andy doesnt challenge mcnabb the way he should....probably
i dont know what it is exactly...a combination of all of the above plus some other things...but mcnabb doesnt have it
Those three words say it all. We will have to agree to disagree on Mcnabbs psyc, because unlike you, I'm not going to pretend to know what goes on in his head. You will think what you think until he wins a Superbowl, if he ever does.
Siding with TO on anything he did in Philly is the dumbest thing any Eagle fan can do. Oh yeah, I'm shore that, you gotta' get me the ball will fire a qb up. TO did nothing but act like a complete ass on the sidelines and the everywere else the whole time he was in Philly. And you think that McNabb should have listened to him so he could have fired him up.
so because TO is a corksucker means you automatically can never take his side on anything hes ever done....that the most ridiculous homertastic thing ive ever heard....blind faith will eat you alive...TO was trying to get mcnabbs head out of the clouds that game...the eagle were getting stomped and mcnabb had done the shoulder shrug and basically waved the white flag...TO like ray lewis peyton manning or a million other players was trying to get mcnabb back in the game...they both said afterwards that what it was...it had nothing to do with getting TO the ball....as much as i despise TO yes i agreed with what he did there...to this day the eagles team needs more of that...its just too bad the supposed leader of the team doesnt have it in him to do and a douchebag like TO was the one who had to step up there...
the one great thing TO brought to the team that year was some soul in their strut and some bustle in their hustle...a chip on their shoulder...an aura that when they stepped out on the field that year they were just gonna mash people...
its the only year in the entire reid era that the team consistently got off to good starts every game...they were killin people by the end of the first quater in a lot of games that year...when their normal MO is to all to often have like one first down in the first five possesions
if you cant see that then its not surprising that you cant see mcnabbs faults
i guess the bottom line is that i (and most people i know) are able to judge a person without having to see their video diary....i dont need to be best friends with a person to know what kind of personality they have....on the other hand until that person comes out and tells the world exactly what he or she is feeling you cant (or perhaps in the case of mcnabb you dont want to) make a judgement on them
too many words, not a single new thought
fargers
He did say in one of his interviews that "I don't regret bringing TO to Philly. We had a great year. It was unfortunate how things turned out."
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 31, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 31, 2007, 07:17:50 PM
He's on NFL Network right now. Asked about TO's performance in the super bowl 2 yrs ago. Laughed at his answer, totally scripted question and answer. Looks like a jackass. :-D
So what was his answer?
He was like it was a total heroic performance by TO. Went on to say how hard he rehabed and focused to get to the super bowl with the team. Blah, blah blah.....
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2007, 08:42:34 AM
too many words, not a single new thought
fargers
Glad you said that. I was going to read it all, but you saved me that wasted time.
Quote from: mussa on February 01, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 31, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 31, 2007, 07:17:50 PM
He's on NFL Network right now. Asked about TO's performance in the super bowl 2 yrs ago. Laughed at his answer, totally scripted question and answer. Looks like a jackass. :-D
So what was his answer?
He was like it was a total heroic performance by TO. Went on to say how hard he rehabed and focused to get to the super bowl with the team. Blah, blah blah.....
I know the logic of this is flawed. But I actually think one of the reasons the Eagles lost that Superbowl was because Owens played. He was no where near 100%, and the Patriots gave him every catch he got. It was all underneath stuff, and TO went to the sideline almost every time. Had he been 100%, or had he not had been playing, a faster WR could have outran the coverage of some of those passes.
Case in point, I cannot specifically remember any one catch of TO's in the SB. But i know the were all pretty much Out patterns or crossing routs right underneath the safeties.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 01, 2007, 11:42:36 AM
Quote from: mussa on February 01, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 31, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 31, 2007, 07:17:50 PM
He's on NFL Network right now. Asked about TO's performance in the super bowl 2 yrs ago. Laughed at his answer, totally scripted question and answer. Looks like a jackass. :-D
So what was his answer?
He was like it was a total heroic performance by TO. Went on to say how hard he rehabed and focused to get to the super bowl with the team. Blah, blah blah.....
I know the logic of this is flawed. But I actually think one of the reasons the Eagles lost that Superbowl was because Owens played. He was no where near 100%, and the Patriots gave him every catch he got. It was all underneath stuff, and TO went to the sideline almost every time. Had he been 100%, or had he not had been playing, a faster WR could have outran the coverage of some of those passes.
Case in point, I cannot specifically remember any one catch of TO's in the SB. But i know the were all pretty much Out patterns or crossing routs right underneath the safeties.
I do know he caught two of at least 30 yards, and they could have been longer, had he been healthy. I don't know if he was winded or afraid someone was going to take a shot at his ankle, but I do know on those two long catches, he headed toward the sideline when a defender was closing in.
Ogunleye looked a bit irritated when McNabb kept asking him how to pronounce his name.
PE.com carried NFLN live for a while. How long before the NFL takes complete control over all its content?
in a radio interview today donovan blamed the time management superbowl issue on TO
paraphrasing - i did not throw up i was not sick....TO wouldnt come out of the game and that messed up what packages we had in there and instead of calling a timeout we took our time to get it right
it was hard to tell if he was serious or not....it either was a) another one of his gay goofy dumb ass infuriating interviews or b) the most pathetic thing ive ever heard
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 04:43:30 PM
in a radio interview today donovan blamed the time management superbowl issue on TO
paraphrasing - i did not throw up i was not sick....TO wouldnt come out of the game and that messed up what packages we had in there and instead of calling a timeout we took our time to get it right
it was hard to tell if he was serious or not....it either was a) another one of his gay goofy dumb ass infuriating interviews or b) the most pathetic thing ive ever heard
either way, nothing he does will make you happy, so whats the point of you even listening? ::)
i didnt "listen" they played it on the wip ticker
It's good that you can pick out "gay" interviews from the "hetero" ones.
Here's fewer words.
I'll believe McNabb's fluff before I believe SAS's rumors and heresay.
then again youd believe mcnabb over mother theresa on troof serum
I didn't see him thumb his nose once.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 08:26:59 AM
wow that was quicker than i thought....i figured it would take more than one post for someone to bash the loud black man instead of forming an opinion on what he said
You know you say a lot of things that make you seem like an intelligent fan, than you say something like this and make yourself look like a total jackass. I am not going to say that I know everybody on this board, but none strike me as racist. Why do you always bring up race? It is not really applicable at all in this situation. Stephen A. Smith has brought that on himself, even when he is trying to make a good point no one pays attention. Why? Because he just loves to throw outlandish shtein out and see if it sticks.
I am not by the way automatically discounting his article.
farg it.
Let's cut McNabb, tank next year, and draft Matt Ryan in '08.
from gary cobbs website....
THE EAGLES NEED TO TRULY TO COME TOGETHER
Date: Feb 06, 2007 - 07:09 AM
It was fitting that the Indianapolis Colts won the Super Bowl this year with an overexposed franchise quarterback. Despite Peyton Manning being on more commercials than any other pro athlete in the world and possessing a 100 million dollar plus contract, the team was together enough to make a run to a Super Bowl championship. You see, every overexposed franchise quarterback is resented by a percentage of his teammates. Head coach Tony Dungy talked about how close and unselfish his team had played all year long. They clearly had been led by their running game and defense as they marched through the playoffs despite Manning not playing his best football. This was a team that had overcome the odds and the critics and gotten the job done.
The Colts closeness can be contrasted with the divisions on the Philadelphia Eagles. Last week Donovan McNabb talked about how he and Jeff Garcia were such good friends, well I don't know that he can say that about his relationships with some of his other teammates. There's clearly a divide on the Eagles football team. To me it's poisonous.
It reared it's ugly head during Terrell Owens' second year, here in Philly. Remember this started a month or so after the Eagles Super Bowl appearance. Owens made the comment, "he wasn't the one who got tired at the Super Bowl". Nobody, not one of McNabb's teammates or one of the so-called team leaders went to Terrell and told him to shut his trap. Sometimes silence makes more noise than someone yelling. This sounded a big alarm to me because you could tell that something wasn't right in the soup. I have no doubt that there is still an enmity on this football team against Donovan McNabb and he is an outsider on his own team.
You can't believe how critical former Eagles were when everyone came into town on that Monday night for the retirement of Reggie White's number. They said this team wasn't anything but a "bunch of cowards" because they sat by and let Terrell Owens divide the football team. Years ago, there would have been fights on the field and in the lockeroom to make a player respect his teammates. Some of the retired players wanted to go after Owens.
I dont' think there is any question that this team is still divided. There are issues with the Eagles that need to be aired out amongst themselves. I know part of it is money. One reason nobody came to Donovan's defense was because T.O. was voicing what a lot of the guys feel about how they're paid. I know there are players who have a major problem with the way the team does business. McNabb has a hundred plus million dollar contract, while just about everybody else had to go in there and fight tooth and nail for a fair deal. They think Donovan should get on their side and fight for them.
Multi-talented Brian Westbrook had to fight and claw for his deal. And you can be sure that he was out of here if the Eagles hadn't lost Owens. Westbrook was featured in the offense when McNabb went down, and he was the guy who spoke the most about how Jeff Garcia fired them up down the stretch. If you listen closely to Westbrook, you can hear the code and McNabb isn't included in it. Plus, Brian was quiet as a mouse, while Owens was running his mouth a year ago.
There's a sentiment on the team that they need to run the ball more. You've heard Runyan be the only one with enough gutts to say it, publicly. The rest of them haven't had enough stones to come out and make their opinions known. For example, they won't march into Andy's office and say they need to run the ball more, they just dance around it. But if you listen closely to Westbrook he's saying it.
Tight end L.J. Smith is going into his last year and I know for a fact that he knows about trying to get a deal with the Eagles because I spoke to him about it. He knows their negotiating history. Once they make you an iron clad offer but you turn it down, you're probably not going to get a deal, other than the Owens/Westbrook situation. Smith was quiet last year when Owens was pummelling McNabb publicly.
Jeremiah Trotter left here for Washington because of a contract dispute, after putting together a couple of Pro Bowl years. He came back and said that the bitterness about his contract dispute was all in the past but I don't think that was the total truth. I think Trotter was boosting Owens when he was going after McNabb and trying to get more money because he was saying what Trotter really wants to say himself. You remember Jeremiah was the loudest Eagle in support of Owens.
Going forward we'll see what happens but dealing with this rift is a major issue on this football team. The leadership of this team has done a terrible job over the last couple of years. They love getting front of the cameras to run their mouths but they are looking the other way as the team continues to have divisions. Normally a head coach would be able to handle some of this, but when you're the head coach and Executive V.P. of Football Operations you can't deal with this head on. You can believe the guys are watching what's done with Donte Stallworth, Jeff Garcia and the rest of the team's free agents.
Someone should proofread Cobb's pieces before they're published. He writes like a 10th grade dropout.
for real
"Jeremiah Trotter left here for Washington because of a contract dispute, after putting together a couple of Pro Bowl years."
when and if he gets someone to proofread his stuff im pretty sure it will not be you
My point is if he had structured the sentence better, it wouldn't have been nearly as confusing. That's why I edited my original post.
And it doesn't surprise me one bit that you'd post more of the same bullshtein about McNabb. Your hatred of him borders on the pathological, dude.
"Jeremiah Trotter left Philly after putting together a couple of Pro Bowl years due to a contract dispute."
Jesus. No one HATES McNabb. IGY has said over and over and over that he likes McNabb. But he's soft as shteine and is incapable of injecting emotion into the team. Legit concerns. Christ.
actually i like mcnabb...tho less and less for this team everyday....its banner and reid i hate...
and how is this bullshtein....gcobb is inside the team and closer to the players than anyone on the planet who doesnt work for the team....
the scary thing is he really likes mcnabb and is often the one on angelos show having to defend him from angelo and rhea...so for him to report this stuff is really worrisome
you basically cannot accept the fact that your team might have big time issues in the locker room...so instead of facing it you kill the messenger unless its something you happen to wanna hear then the person is a great reporter
Until someone other than a crackhead malcontent like Owens goes on record stating their problems with McNabb, then it's nothing more than horseshtein gossip.
You're entitled to eat it up with a spoon just as I'm entitled to point at it and mock it for being nothing more than grist for the horseshtein mill.
PS: I'm thrilled you "like" McNabb so much. For someone who does nothing but post negative shtein about him, you sure have a funny way of expressing it, though.
Why would the team have anything bad to say about McNabb? He never calls anyone on their mistakes. He's Mr. Nice Guy. He doesn't put pressure on guys. Etc etc
Just because none of his teammates will come out in public and declare him "soft" doesn't mean he's not.
theres a reason its called a "locker room" problem
but let romey believe that everything is always peachy unless someone goes on oprah to talk about it
imo their has been a problem with mcnabbs leadership and mental toughness for a long time....TO brought it to the forefront but it was there before he ever came around.....now the question is not if it exists but just how bad is it
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2007, 09:59:20 AM
but let romey believe that everything is always peachy unless someone goes on oprah to talk about it
Your assumptions about my beliefs are asinine.
Your assumptions about my beliefs are asinine.Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 06, 2007, 09:31:55 AM
Until someone other than a crackhead malcontent like Owens goes on record stating their problems with McNabb, then it's nothing more than horseshtein gossip.
And?
Even if McNabb isnt liked by some of the guys on the team. It's no different than anywhere else. In any sport. The stars are held to different standards, there's always divide in the locker room. It could be offense/defense, or pitchers/fielders. Whatever it is...it is insignifigant.
I can guarantee you you that NONE of Trotter's whifs on a RB were because he doesn't like McNabbs attitude. On the flip side, I can also gaurantee you that no a single one of McNabbs errant throws came because of something Reggie Brown may have said in the buffet line at practice the day before.
It happens on every team, in every sport. Guys do not like other guys at times. People get jealous when someone makes more money than them. They get over it, and they play. If they don't, then they wind up like Freddie Mitchell.
Almost every player on the Patriots roster can not stand the coach, they despise him. It comes out every season. It means NOTHING.
Its well known that some of sports greats legends were insufferable iceholes that no one liked to be around. It was insignifigant when it came time to play.
Something has happened to this Eagles team over the past two or three years. None of us have any cold hard facts to prove without a doubt WHAT has happened to them, but the overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb being right at the center of the problem.
Some people choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. Others choose to believe what their eyes and ear tell them and blame Andy and Donovan for the obvious softness that this team displays. The argument will never end. Ever. So either stop taking part in the argument, or stop bitching about the fact that it is being argued.
i think what a lot of people would like is the exact opposite of what youre saying...mcnabb should be more of an icehole...there isnt a person in the world that dislikes donovan as a man...they would like for him to step up tho and be more of leader in terms of standing up for teammates and against the front office or real aholes like TO or even teams they play against...
this is especially true being the qb of a nfl team...arguably the one position in all of sports that requires the most leadership
were he not so much of a nice guy and a stepford they would respect him more....michael jordan might have been the biggest jerk in the history of sports to both his teammates his front office and his opponents but he garnered the ultimate respect because of that meaness and his desire to win
I just for some reason thought of McNabb doing the moonwalk celebration, and now I want to kick him.
In the knee. The recovering one.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2007, 10:43:49 AM
Something has happened to this Eagles team over the past two or three years. None of us have any cold hard facts to prove without a doubt WHAT has happened to them, but the overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb being right at the center of the problem.
Some people choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. Others choose to believe what their eyes and ear tell them and blame Andy and Donovan for the obvious softness that this team displays. The argument will never end. Ever. So either stop taking part in the argument, or stop bitching about the fact that it is being argued.
Troof.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2007, 10:43:49 AM
Something has happened to this Eagles team over the past two or three years. None of us have any cold hard facts to prove without a doubt WHAT has happened to them, but the overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb being right at the center of the problem.
Some people choose to give them the benefit of the doubt. Others choose to believe what their eyes and ear tell them and blame Andy and Donovan for the obvious softness that this team displays. The argument will never end. Ever. So either stop taking part in the argument, or stop bitching about the fact that it is being argued.
Or stop forming your opinions from whats feed to you in the media.
the ironic thing is the media even in philly overwhemingly supports donovan....even with all the evidence that points to his weaknesses i would say its at worst a 50/50 split on people who write about this stuff and not
hes lucky he doesnt play in NY
its what makes the mcnabb family attacks on the media so perplexing....they have no idea how bad it could really be...although wilma and company kill the fans of the team more than the media
link?
Quote from: mussa on February 06, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
Or stop forming your opinions from whats feed to you in the media.
But I like whats feed to me by teh media!!one
Seriously, get your head out of your ass. The evidence that Donovan is soft and the Andy Reid is inept is right there in front of you. Don't need media to tell me that the last five minutes of the Superbowl were the most absurdly coached five minutes I've ever seen.
I won't say they've become "soft" the last 2 or 3 years. They definitely aren't a smart
football team, especially Reid and McNabb. I definitely see character flaws in a lot of the players, with McNabb and leadership near the top.
Get somebody in there that can call an offensive gameplan and we might just see that this leadership thing is overblown.
^^^^
i definitely leave open the chance that that is a possibility
i would never say get donovan out of her like i have/do with reid
Ban the word leader. Please.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 06, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
Get somebody in there that can call an offensive gameplan and we might just see that this leadership thing is overblown.
:yay
Quote from: General_Failure on February 06, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
Get somebody in there that can call an offensive gameplan and we might just see that this leadership thing is overblown.
word