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QuoteIt's worth it for Lions to nab McNabb
Friday, January 26, 2007
This week's Senior Bowl generated the first round of NFL Draft talk, and the consensus among NFL Network draft obsessive ... um, experts ... is the Detroit Lions should use the No. 2 overall pick to select Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn.
And that makes sense.
The Lions need a long-term answer at quarterback. Quinn is a polished player with a big frame and arm who has put up terrific numbers against top-flight college competition. One draft site calls him the most NFL-ready quarterback prospect to come out of college since Petyon Manning (which, if true, says a lot considering how Vince Young and Matt Leinart played this season).
But, still ... they loved Joey Harrington, didn't they?
The fact is, a college quarterback is always an unknown commodity until he proves he's not, which brings us to Donovan McNabb.
The former NFL Pro Bowler is suffering through a little mid-career crisis. He blew out his knee this season, and when veteran backup Jeff Garcia led the Eagles to the playoffs, Philadelphia's notoriously fickle fans and media began to wonder whether they might be better off with Garcia at quarterback than McNabb.
Yes, that Jeff Garcia, the one who flopped in Detroit.
Seriously, stop laughing.
There have been weird rumbles in Eagle-ville lately, with coach Andy Reid ordering McNabb not to travel with the team for a playoff game, then canceling a news conference the quarterback wanted to hold.
This led to a newspaper report suggesting McNabb is unhappy with the team, which Reid quickly refuted.
McNabb is, of course, a proven commodity. He has led his team to the Super Bowl. He has the physical tools and leadership makeup you look for in an NFL quarterback. He's one of the league's most admired citizens.
He's what every prospect like Quinn aspires to be.
You'd never trade a Donovan McNabb for Brady Quinn, would you?
The Lions should make a phone call and find out.
Maybe the Eagles believe in Garcia. Maybe they love Quinn or the No. 2 pick.
Maybe - for once - somebody besides the Detroit Lions is about to make a franchise-haunting mistake.
You never know until you make the phone call.
Maybe, as Reid insists, everything's fine in Philadelphia, but you sure wouldn't want to assume that and have somebody else come away with McNabb.
Yes, there would be major salary cap issues with McNabb's contract. Maybe you'd have to wait until June 1 - when the salary cap hit could be spread out over two seasons - to officially make the deal.
Yes, McNabb's knee is a question mark, and there's always the possibility that Brady Quinn turns out to be Peyton Manning.
But the truth is, Quinn won't bring back any of the people who've given up on this team. At least not until he proves he's more than just another Joey Harrington.
Donovan McNabb lining up under center in next season's opener is a different story.
A story that would make the Lions interesting again, that would get people talking again, one certainly worth making a phone call in hope of.
Jim Carty can be reached
at jcarty@annarbornews.com
or 734-994-6815.
lol
We should all flood this guys email box with the pink slip virus.
Well with Millen at the helm in Detroit we could probably get at least 3 picks from them and a player.
But I'd feel awful to trade McNabb to a team like Detroit. Lets at least give him the chance to win again if we did ever end up trading him.
lerskates
i'd do it for the #2, Roy Williams, Shaun Rogers, and Dre Bly
The Eagles don't really *need* Roy Williams if they re-sign Stallworth!
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you could rewrite that exact same moronic article while replacing the Lions with other crappy teams without good quarterbacks.
just because it worked in your Madden franchise, doesn't mean it has a shot in hell of happening.
great reporting Jim McCarty.
i want to go into football news hibernation until september.
or at least until the Eagles don't do anything during free agency in March
Well see I no that they aren't gonna do anything. And that the draft will be full of "potential" and "project players." Hence, hibernation until the first game.
If there were a team we could strike a deal with I'd want it to be the Lions, Millen's an imbecile so we'd probably clean house.
The Eckel article is like a ball of shtein rolling down a diarrhea mountain. :P
That turns me on more than Jevon Kearse turns you on.
Make it stop.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 26, 2007, 03:01:26 PM
That turns me on more than Jevon Kearse turns you on.
Kearse is so 2004, I'm in the market for a new nubian warrior to have a man-crush on.
^ Prince is available.
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 26, 2007, 03:08:29 PM
Kearse is so 2004, I'm in the market for a new nubian warrior to have a man-crush on.
What's a Nubian?
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 26, 2007, 03:00:27 PM
The Eckel article is like a ball of shtein rolling down a diarrhea mountain. :P
That about sums it up.
I'm currently telling him what a douche he is in AIM.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 26, 2007, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 26, 2007, 03:08:29 PM
Kearse is so 2004, I'm in the market for a new nubian warrior to have a man-crush on.
What's a Nubian?
Someone from Nubia.
D+
serious question
--with the knee injury specifically and his inability to finish seasons anymore in general
and
--the age factor
would anyone trade mcnabb for detroits one this year
No.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 26, 2007, 03:13:58 PM
D+
A++ (http://www.upward.org/images/award-star-gold.jpg)
No.
no because because andy cant draft or because you think mcnabb is going to win a superbowl?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
no because because andy cant draft or because you think mcnabb is going to win a superbowl?
I firmly believe that if the coaching staff called games with McNabb in there, the way they do with him NOT in there, we'd already have 2.
i agree (well at least one) but im talking about from here on forward with everything you know to be true right now
I agree with that. They balance the offense when he's out and have success...but when he's in there, it's like the one man show.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
no because because andy cant draft or because you think mcnabb is going to win a superbowl?
Well, both actually. If the Eagles run the ball effectively and shore up the defense, they're one of the favorites in the NFC with McNabb playing QB.
Without him, they're nothing more than an 8-8 team regardless of what they do.
If the Eagles run the ball effectively and shore up the defense, they're one of the favorites in the NFC with McNabb playing QB.
im not talking about ifs....im saying right now with everything you know would you do it
btw the defense is at least two or three years or a new GM away from being shored up
Without him, they're nothing more than an 8-8 team regardless of what they do.
the eagles showed this year that in the nfc you can go much better than 8-8 with almost any qb
Honestly I can't wait to hear what McNabb has to say. He'll be speaking during the Super Bowl week. Andy can't muzzle him there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 03:26:12 PM
If the Eagles run the ball effectively and shore up the defense, they're one of the favorites in the NFC with McNabb playing QB.
im not talking about ifs....im saying right now with everything you know would you do it
btw the defense is at least two or three years or a new GM away from being shored up
Without him, they're nothing more than an 8-8 team regardless of what they do.
the eagles showed this year that in the nfc you can go much better than 8-8 with almost any qb
No. I wouldn't trade him.
Re: the defense. . . who says it's gonna take 2-3 years? I don't think things are as horrendous there as you do. They have big time problems that need to be addressed but it's fixable to the point where they could be competitive with some new blood. They won't be the 2000 Ravens, but then again, they won't have to be.
Right - with any QB you can be 8-8. With a perennial pro-bowler like McNabb, you could be much, much more. He's the best quarterback in the conference, IGY. You don't toss them aside like so much garbage just because someone has a #2 pick dangling.
Re: the defense. . . who says it's gonna take 2-3 years? I don't think things are as horrendous there as you do. They have big time problems that need to be addressed but it's fixable to the point where they could be competitive with some new blood. They won't be the 2000 Ravens, but then again, they won't have to be.
well you have next year with mccoy/gocong and the same d line...so that puts us into 2008 two years from now...doubtful (but possible) in one offseason (09) offseason they are going to overhaul the defense to make it championship caliber...so now we are most likely three years out....
He's the best quarterback in the conference, IGY. You don't toss them aside like so much garbage just because someone has a #2 pick dangling.
#1 you wouldnt be tossing him aside like garbage...youd be getting the #2 overall pick
#2 im not even saying id do it...im half playing devils advocate and half not sure if id do it...its a valid hypothetical tho
jesus christ :win :win
it actually isn't a terrible hypothetical...especially if you are saying you could take an impact player at #2 that would allow you to compete for a championship with Garcia as your starter while they groomed another QB
i wouldn't do it, but it's something to consider
I would do it for 3 #1s including this years. Sounds ridiculous until you factor in Millen's on the other end.
Trade McNabb to the Sixers for their 1st round picks. Make Oden a linebacker. Super. Bowl.
I'd do it they would give up more than just their #2 overall. Maybe a 1st, 2nd and a player. I'm thinking a team transforming trade, like when Dallas traded Herschel Walker to the Vikings.
I agree with those who say that if play calling was done for McNabb the way it was done for Garcia, this would be a much better team. I just don't think it is going to happen.
Wow, I forgot how stupid that trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker#NFL_.281986-1997.29) was:
QuoteIn 1989, at the height of his NFL career, the Cowboys traded his rights to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for a total of five players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart) and six draft picks (which led to Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson).
That trade makes Ditka look like a genius. Think Millen could one-up those two?
Yeah, the Cowboys basically traded Walker for 3 Super Bowls.
I'd trade McNabb for one super bowl.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 26, 2007, 05:12:48 PM
I'd trade McNabb for one super bowl.
as would i but there is no guarantee with a draft pick.
Of course. Just saying..it doesn't have to be three Super Bowls. One would suffice.
16 games with noodle arm Garcia and that terrific crop of wide outs minus Stallworth makes my boners grow.
This is going to be a great off-season! I can't wait! Every day we are subjected to loads of horseshtein.
Kill me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 26, 2007, 06:01:11 PM
This is going to be a great off-season! I can't wait! Every day we are subjected to loads of horseshtein.
Alright now. Bad part is, it's all just begining.
It's stupid. The article is as stupid as entertaining any thought of trading McNabb for a farging draft pick. No one would even be talking about it if not for that stupid article.
It's fun to see the perceptions of people who don't follow Philly sports, however. Obviously this guy thinks that Andy would readily depart with McNabb at the drop of a hat, and obviously takes the cancelled press conference as a sign of 'punishing' McNabb instead of, as everyone knows, was a move to protect and insulate him.
It's just funny that everyone on the outside sees 'controversy' when everyone who follows the situation closely sees McNabb being coddled and protected.
like a papoose
All of you McNabb haters can come out of the woodwork on Wednesday--per the Inky, that's when he'll talk to the media. Then the talk for the next six months will be:
1)How he danced around certain subjects, if thats what he does.
2)How it was inappropriate to make such comments at the SB.
3)Why didn't he call his own PC at a place other than the Novacare.
4)Why doesn't he like/hate Jeff Garcia that much more?
i dont know anyone who hates mcnabb...are there people who question whether he has what it takes to ever win a superbowl....sure...but hate?...i dont think so...mcnabb is a really hard person to hate
besides his skin color?
oh yeah
(http://www.wolfblog.net/images/McNabb.jpg)
Who could hate that?
haha
I'm about sick of the Chunky Soup crap. I wish he'd endorse something like Remington Shotguns, or Dodge pickups.
I like Progresso better anyway.
i think its funny how people hate that he's affiliated with Chunky Soup. who gives a damn?
I think its hilarious.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 30, 2007, 11:55:56 AM
who gives a damn?
I dunno', it's just that you read everywere stuff like,
the Chunky Soup guy, and the like. I can't help it, he's my qb, and it gets under my skin. I'd rather see him on a Budwieser commercial at a bar with 5 women around hawking beer. Kinda' like Billy D Williams used to hawk Schlitz Malt Liquor, with the bull busting through walls and shtein.
you don't see any NFL players doing that
I know, they have the leagues image to uphold.
at a bar with 5 women around hawking beer. Kinda' like Billy D Williams used to hawk Schlitz Malt Liquor, with the bull busting through walls and shtein.
lol
that would be tight...all pimped out n shtein
given the choice tho mcnabb would sign up with coors cutter
Quote from: SunMo on January 30, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
you don't see any NFL players doing that
I don't think they are allowed to endorse it. I remember Elway getting into trouble when he did a Coors spot back in the mid to late 90's.
Which is stupid considering beer ads are what have kept the NFL in business.
that and the gambling that they don't acknowledge
... and the hooker solicitation. Hello LT and Eugene Robinson!!!!!!
Quote from: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 05:58:38 AM
I'm about sick of the Chunky Soup crap. I wish he'd endorse something like Remington Shotguns, or Dodge pickups.
I like Progresso better anyway.
I used to work at the Promesso factory in Vineland back in the day...
Quote from: Phanatic on January 30, 2007, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 05:58:38 AM
I'm about sick of the Chunky Soup crap. I wish he'd endorse something like Remington Shotguns, or Dodge pickups.
I like Progresso better anyway.
I used to work at the Promesso factory in Vineland back in the day...
LMAO...
(http://www.wackypackages.org/stickers/14th_series/promesso_small_smaller_images.jpg)
HA! I used to have that sticker on my toy chest as a kid!!
AWESOME!!
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 30, 2007, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on January 30, 2007, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 05:58:38 AM
I'm about sick of the Chunky Soup crap. I wish he'd endorse something like Remington Shotguns, or Dodge pickups.
I like Progresso better anyway.
I used to work at the Promesso factory in Vineland back in the day...
LMAO...
(http://www.wackypackages.org/stickers/14th_series/promesso_small_smaller_images.jpg)
LOL! Thats some funny shtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 02:21:30 PM
at a bar with 5 women around hawking beer. Kinda' like Billy D Williams used to hawk Schlitz Malt Liquor, with the bull busting through walls and shtein.
lol
that would be tight...all pimped out n shtein
given the choice tho mcnabb would sign up with coors cutter
Yeah, beer flavored water.