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So, the talk has already begun that Garcia is the better QB for this team - primarily by idiots at this point.  However, what would happen if Jeff Garcia took this team to the Super Bowl and won?  Couldn't he have a legitimate argument for being the starting QB in 2007?

my choice would be

Never - Garcia will sign for more than he's worth with another team that thinks it is close to a championship.

it's already started.  no matter what happens from here on out, it will be an issue next year.

For the immediate and short term future of this team, I do think the Eagles are better with Garcia.  Not only do the other players seem to step up more, but the offensive game plan is more balanced and puts equal pressure on all the players to perform, not just the QB. 

I'll say it right now, if Garcia wasn't 36 friggin years old then I would take him in a heartbeat over McNabb.  Garcia at 30 > McNabb at 30. 

However, since Garcia is not a longterm possibility for this team and McNabb is, then McNabb is the starting QB once he's healthy, regardless of how far the Eagles go this year with Garcia. 

If the Eagles need Garcia to start next year because McNabb isn't ready, fine.  But once McNabb is healthy enough, he goes back on the field.  And if he struggles or if the team struggles then you can always go back to Garcia if need be. 

its not a true qb controversary and i dont think it ever will be

for one the issue is not whos a better qb because there is a very small % of people who think garcia is better its instead all about who is more likeable

secondly more than likely the eagles and by proxy garcia are gonna crash and burn against the saints which will end most of the talk anyway

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2007, 12:19:11 PM
I'll say it right now, if Garcia wasn't 36 friggin years old then I would take him in a heartbeat over McNabb.  Garcia at 30 > McNabb at 30. 

lol

Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2007, 12:22:35 PM

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2007, 12:19:11 PM
I'll say it right now, if Garcia wasn't 36 friggin years old then I would take him in a heartbeat over McNabb.  Garcia at 30 > McNabb at 30. 

lol

You disagree?  I think Garcia fits the WCO mold much better than McNabb does.  Maybe that's how I should have put it originally now that I think about it.  For all around talent and ability, McNabb definately has more than Garcia.  No question.  But it terms of being a better fit for this team and the offensive philosophy, I think Garcia is a better fit. 

Of course, it is mostly speculation on my part since I've never seen McNabb in an offense that likes to run the ball.  So maybe if McNabb comes back and the current offensive philosophy is still in tact then maybe we see a more successful McNabb.  Who knows? 

But until that time comes, then I'm going to stick by my guns and say that Garcia is actually a better fit.   

this offense was great with McNabb, and they were more explosive.

now they are more balanced, and that's due to playcalling.  Garcia has been able to fill in and they have won, but that's more due to defense than offense. 

garcia hasnt done shtein

westbrook playing off the charts
run attempts close to equaling pass attempts
omar gaither>matt mccoy
TOP helping the defense stay fresh
dawk elevating his game

all>>>>garcia

garcia was 30 in 2000, when he went to the probowl. Terrell Owens and Charlie Garner also had great years. the Offensive Coordinator was Marty Mornhinweg

Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2007, 12:36:04 PM
this offense was great with McNabb, and they were more explosive.

now they are more balanced, and that's due to playcalling.  Garcia has been able to fill in and they have won, but that's more due to defense than offense. 

More explosive, yes.  They were more inconsistant as well.  With the playcalling that was taking place when McNabb was healthy, this team was either making huge plays or no plays.  There was no happy medium.  Garcia is addition by subtraction in this case. 

so basically, you blame McNabb in a roundabout way for the playcalling?  he's more talented at passing, thus Reid calls more pass plays, screwing up the offense?

lets not get crazy with mcnabb either

THIS YEAR all things equal mcnabb is clearly the better qb

but a definite argument can be made that at the top of their repspective games garcia was the better qb

not a real strong arguement, in my opinion.

you put 3 Pro Bowl Garcia on the Eagles during those years, I don't think he has half the success and stats as Donovan.

if Garcia wins the superbowl I dont even care who is the QB next year.    Omar Jacobs holler. 

Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2007, 12:56:00 PM
so basically, you blame McNabb in a roundabout way for the playcalling?  he's more talented at passing, thus Reid calls more pass plays, screwing up the offense?

He's got a stronger arm, that's it.  When it comes to accuracy, are you really going to try and say McNabb is more accurate than Garcia?  Garcia also has more control on his velocity too. 

I'm not blaming McNabb for the playcalling.  But there are some aspects of Garcia's game that are superior to McNabb's.  And it's those specific qualities that make him a better fit. 

And don't get me wrong.  I'm not dumping on McNabb or anything because I love the guy and he is still the future of this team.  But when it comes down to it, Garcia is actually a better fit for the WCO than McNabb is.  That's all I'm getting at. 

garcia also doesnt seem to get down when things go salty like mcnabb does

anyway i think every post in this discussion has been quality (especially murps) and id like to thank you all for that

Two slight distinctions/clarifications:

- I'm not asking if Garcia is a better QB (overall) than McNabb - obviously that is not the case.  But is he the better choice for this team / offense?
- While I'm finding your personal points of view on this interesting, the question is at what point does the city/media/team melt into a quivering mess over this issue?

Ultimately, could winning a Super Bowl this year completely destroy the team next year?  Could it create a rift between the players, kill McNabbs confidence further and/or Garcia tanks...or both...and result in a losing season that would further ignite the fire regardless of what Reid choses to do?

This, by the way, is why I think the Eagles might just do it.  Turn the greatest moment in Philadelphia sports in over 20 years into a huge negative.  It is just sick enough to come true.  Still, if the team gets a ring, I don't think most of us will care.

WIP and Philly Sports writers will always make something a big stink if they can.  That doesnt mean the majority of the fan base agrees.   Isnt Garcia a FA anyway?  He may get a chance at a starting job elsewhere and not even be back with the Eagles next year which would quickly end any nonsense. 

the other thing is that "this offense" is not what McNabb played in.  "this offense" has a run game and has well balanced play calling by Marty.   Any QB, including McNabb, would be better suited to "this offense" which allows the pressure to be put on the entire offense as a unit rather than just having the QB chuck the ball around 40 times a game.

If you put Garcia in the offense Reid was running at the start of this year he wouldnt be playing as well, IMO.   

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2007, 02:38:56 PM
garcia also doesnt seem to get down when things go salty like mcnabb does

yeah, i keep thinking back to all those times he seemed so happy while playing for detroit and cleveland

Quote from: Wingspan on January 10, 2007, 03:21:49 PM
yeah, i keep thinking back to all those times he seemed so happy while playing for detroit and cleveland

Hey now. Garcia is a fighter. And a fighter fights.

Seriously though, the only way that this gets any kind of real steam is if the Birds get a SB ring. Even then, McNabb is the guy. The FO and team as a whole shouldn't be knocked for this. The coaching staff should be crucified in the streets if once McNabb is back and healthy they revert to the pre-McNabb injury offense. If they somehow win the whole deal, Garcia is the next Trent Dilfer.

yeah, i keep thinking back to all those times he seemed so happy while playing for detroit and cleveland

all i know is hes showed more raw emotion anger and puff your chest out intestinal fortitude in seven weeks than mcnabb has shown in seven years

i also know i sat with garcia's parents corner end zone ten rows from the top of fed ex field and watched dood go nuts while donovans mammy was writing hate letters to eagle fans

i dont really care about any of their parents.

you should since most people and especially garcia and mcnabb ARE their parents

Quote from: MURP on January 10, 2007, 01:18:57 PM
if Garcia wins the superbowl I dont even care who is the QB next year.    Omar Jacobs holler. 

< Insert pithy internet agreement slang here. >

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2007, 03:40:34 PM
you should since most people and especially garcia and mcnabb ARE their parents

i just tried.

and i still don't care

WIP will try and fuel a controversy no matter what happens, but there's no question whatsoever that the Eagles would stick with McNabb even if Garcia was the Super Bowl MVP.

In other words, it'll just be a pretend QB controversy in the media, not one where the starting QB position is really up for grabs.

OMG McNabb lost the locker room!!!1

If this discussion has proven anything, it's that this option

QuotePhilly media & fans are too smart for that

is clearly not the correct one....

There is no correct option. If there was, it would probably be called "just stop it."

Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2007, 09:41:02 PM
If this discussion has proven anything, it's that this option

QuotePhilly media & fans are too smart for that

is clearly not the correct one....

Even before reading the discussion, I laughed whole-heartedly at that choice.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2007, 03:35:03 PM
yeah, i keep thinking back to all those times he seemed so happy while playing for detroit and cleveland

all i know is hes showed more raw emotion anger and puff your chest out intestinal fortitude in seven weeks than mcnabb has shown in seven years

i also know i sat with garcia's parents corner end zone ten rows from the top of fed ex field and watched dood go nuts while donovans mammy was writing hate letters to eagle fans

INTESTINAL FORTITUDE!!!!!  Are you a farging retard. McNabb has played beat up and broken and excelled. The Cardinals game with the broken ankle negates all your comments and shows your lack of intellegence.

*sigh*

vigy>stilloncrack

Is he talking about a game against an AWFUL team from 5 years ago? Because I'm pretty sure everyone else is talking about playoff games against playoff caliber teams.

McNabb also walked to and from school barefoot - uphill both ways.

Oh a broken hymen!

Silly - McNabb hasn't had a vagina since the operation at birth, when "his" parents decided to raise him as a boy.

They didn't have street sweepers when he was a kid?

Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
Is he talking about a game against an AWFUL team from 5 years ago? Because I\'m pretty sure everyone else is talking about playoff games against playoff caliber teams.

I am referring to the intestinal fortitude crack. Good team or bad, McNabb played very well and courageously with that broken ankle, when a lesser man would have sat out. I am in no way a Garcia hater. I am simply saying that bashing McNabb does not have any positive possible outcome. I believe he is a top 5 NFL QB who has the guts to play when injured. He sucked it up last year with the sports hernia and bruised sternum and in years past with various injuries. That hernia sounds painful as hell, I have had a bruised sternum, it is unbelievably painful. Is this demeaning to Jeff Garcia? Not at all. Can we not have two good QBs on the same team? Why the hell not?