:yay
Beat me to it you farger.
Ha, ha and ha!!
Way to go EAGLES!!
Thanks Detriot
Hey Andy Pleeeeeeease put Westbrook on the bench now, right now.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on December 31, 2006, 04:24:48 PM
Way to go EAGLES!!
Thanks Detriot
Hey Andy Pleeeeeeease put Westbrook on the bench now, right now.
NOW
I was wrong wrong wrong when I was crying about the season being over.
Two things on that Falcon TD:
-how did no Atlanta linemen not get down field
-where was the offensive holding
5 times in 6 years, matching New England
We also know the 2 "unknown" games for the 2007 schedule:
vs Seattle
at New Orleans
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 31, 2006, 04:47:57 PM
5 times in 6 years, matching New England
We also know the 2 "unknown" games for the 2007 schedule:
vs Seattle
at New Orleans
That's right!! we will be there in two weeks.
Best thing is even with backups in there, we kicked the Falcons asses!!
Feeley 22-33 321 yds. and 3 TD's. A career day for Feeley.
What up, Champs?
I don't know how in the hell we pulled this off... but Jesus Christ... we did it! :yay
How sweet is this fellas? Who in the hell would have thought we'd be where we are right now?
5 out of 6 years, NFC East Champs. Everything is right again in the world.
Of course, Dallas getting embarrased by the Detroit farging Lions makes it sooooooo much sweeter. :-D
No way! Gibbs, Parcells and Coughlin were going to eat the Eagles for lunch! The NFC East had passed the Eagles by! ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2006, 07:40:13 PM
No way! Gibbs, Parcells and Coughlin were going to eat the Eagles for lunch! The NFC East had passed the Eagles by! ;D
There was one day in the preseason I was listening to ESPN Radio and I had Sean Salisbury burned in my head saying, "The Eagles are improved somewhat, but I'll tell you... this division is all about the Cowboys, Giants and taterskins... I don't think they'll be able to compete." :-D
No one gave us any chance of winning this division. Only the true believers.
meaningless....its just another choke job division title if they dont get to the superbowl
i mean its a nice accomplishment especially with how bad they were earlier in the year...but is anyone else tired of division titles...i want a superbowl....bad
anything else is zzzzzz
You have to be kidding me, after no one at all picked us to win, it's meaningless.......... ::)
I'll tell you one thing it means, it means money in my pocket.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 07:46:48 PM
meaningless....its just another choke job division title if they dont get to the superbowl
i mean its a nice accomplishment especially with how bad they were earlier in the year...but is anyone else tired of division titles...i want a superbowl....bad
anything else is zzzzzz
In the big picture, yes.
But to rebound like they did without McNabb and getting that shtein ass defense turned around is sweet. And its also sweet because they were not given a shot in the preseason by the people swinging from the sacks of Gibbs and Parcells.
eh...you can have the divisions...i want a ring
As do I.
Andy Reid: Coach of the Year.
I'd put him 3rd behind Payton and Mangini
you dont win coach of the year for realizing how bad of a coach you are
Every player on the field, from McNabb to Feeley is his player. He has good personel.
not that i agree but if you believe that then you should nominate him for GM of the year
hes not a good coach tho
Quote from: shorebird on December 31, 2006, 07:46:41 PMNo one gave us any chance of winning this division. Only the true believers suckers.
Believing that the Eagles would pull off this string of victories was quaint, and now that it's happened I hope you enjoy your moment in the sun, but for farg sake this season was unlikely as hell. I'm happy as hell, but unrepentant. This was a stand out, beyond all hopes occurence that you aren't gonna see often.
And it only extend the reign of Andy Reid, which is not good.
^^^^
smart man
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 07:50:09 PM
eh...you can have the divisions...i want a ring
Come on man... we all want the ring.
But this thing was against all odds... and anyone with half a brain (including us) wrote us off for any kind of playoff appearance... let alone another division title. The NFC East was supposed to be too stacked for the Eagles
with a healthy McNabb... let alone with Jeff farging Garcia.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 31, 2006, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: shorebird on December 31, 2006, 07:46:41 PMNo one gave us any chance of winning this division. Only the true believers suckers.
Believing that the Eagles would pull off this string of victories was quaint, and now that it's happened I hope you enjoy your moment in the sun, but for farg sake this season was unlikely as hell. I'm happy as hell, but unrepentant. This was a stand out, beyond all hopes occurence that you aren't gonna see often.
And it only extend the reign of Andy Reid, which is not good.
I never thought they would win out, never thought that in my wildest dreams. But I've said all along that I thought with as bad as the NFC East was, the Eagles still had a chance.
Now the same people who crooned about the much improved NFC East with the taterskins and Giants are the same people who say this win streak is a bad thing because it means Andy Ried won't get fired. Farging Unbelieveable.
I told you all that the East wasn't as good as everyone thought, and that the Eagles weren't as bad. But you wouldn't listen!! Well, look at you now!! Still making excuses to get Reid fired, after we beat the Falcons with our backups!
But this thing was against all odds... and anyone with half a brain (including us) wrote us off for any kind of playoff appearance... let alone another division title. The NFC East was supposed to be too stacked for the Eagles with a healthy McNabb... let alone with Jeff farging Garcia.
i dont disagree with any of this...but if they lose to the giants next week does the nfc east title still mean something to you?
division titles mean something to the cardinals or the browns...or even the eagles in 2001...not to this eagle team tho...not after four nfc title games
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 08:13:01 PM
But this thing was against all odds... and anyone with half a brain (including us) wrote us off for any kind of playoff appearance... let alone another division title. The NFC East was supposed to be too stacked for the Eagles with a healthy McNabb... let alone with Jeff farging Garcia.
i dont disagree with any of this...but if they lose to the giants next week does the nfc east title still mean something to you?
division titles mean something to the cardinals or the browns...or even the eagles in 2001...not to this eagle team tho...not after four nfc title games
Dumbest farging post ever. Ask any player out on the field if it means anything. Think it meant anything to Reid, after he pulled all his starters when he found out Dallas lost?!?!?!?!?
like i said you can have your division titles.....if the eagles dont at least make it to the superbowl in this hideous conference then the season was a failure
Just enjoy the wins and the way the season unfolded after the horrendous streak of losses and horrible play.
You can bitch and moan all you want about Andy Reid, but he's been coaching great as of late and he has been a pretty darn good coach throughout his tenure. Yeah, he has his moments. But there aren't many coaches in the league who have been as successful and have won more games. Overall, he's been a better coach than a lot give him credit for, and it borderlines retarded to continue to call for his head after the way the team has responded down the stretch.
hes 18-38 all time against winning teams
hes cost the franchise at least one superbowl
i laugh at people who all of a sudden love him as a coach because he was so bad at calling plays he had to give it up
its possible that with him not having to worry about meddlesome things like play calling that he can better guide the team and will win a superbowl...ill give him the benefit of the doubt on that since he just recently made a major change in his direction...but what i wont do is make him into a good coach because he made the playoffs in a league that came dangerously close to having a 7-9 playoff team
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 08:27:35 PM
hes 18-38 all time against winning teams
Were did you get that? Link?
Reid has called some great games. Reid has called some piss poor games. I'm not going to wish him out of Philly because he still continues to win and the Eagles have been successful during his tenure. Who are you going to bring in? Is someone going to step in and just take the team to the Super Bowl with a whole new offensive and probably defensive (assuming that JJ leaves if Andy leaves) scheme?
It just seems difficult to justify starting from square one with a new coaching staff when Reid was able to make adjustments (realize that his playcalling was getting stale and get a fresh perspective in there), and get this team into the playoffs playing their best football of the year. The Eagles 2nd and 3rd team beat the friggin' Falcons 1st team tonight. The team has a good deal of confidence and if you are going to bury the coach when the team looks uninspired you have to give him SOME credit when the team looks confident and is playing at a high level.
Andy wore too many hats and now maybe he is finally realizing that it is OK to delegate assignments to people who are competent in performing. Good leaders know how to delegate work and put the best people in a position to perform. Andy has done that as of late. You can argue that maybe he did it too late, but I don't think you can deny that he took those steps and the team is responding. He's a good coach; and I don't think you can win the division 5 out of the last 6 years unless you are one.
Andy is better than most. And considering there isn't a viable replacement the utter hatred for Reid seems wholly irrational at this juncture.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 08:27:35 PM
hes 18-38 all time against winning teams
hes cost the franchise at least one superbowl
i laugh at people who all of a sudden love him as a coach because he was so bad at calling plays he had to give it up
its possible that with him not having to worry about meddlesome things like play calling that he can better guide the team and will win a superbowl...ill give him the benefit of the doubt on that since he just recently made a major change in his direction...but what i wont do is make him into a good coach because he made the playoffs in a league that came dangerously close to having a 7-9 playoff team
People praise him now because he held the team together, not him giving up playcalling duties. The team could've very well quit, but Andy kept them together.
(http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p3440366dt.jpg)
Eagles are 22-8 in December since 2000 :o
That winning team stat can be deceptive. Is it winning teams at the time the Eagles played that team or the team's record at the end of the year? A lot of teams could play the Eagles, suck balls and have a losing record that that time, and then go on and end up having a winning season -- the reverse could be true as well. It depends on when you begin recording that stat.
You can tick and tack and be petty all day long, but the Eagles have had a stretch of success that has rarely been witnessed in the Eagles' contemporary history. It will seemingly all be tarnished if a Super Bowl win doesn't come out of it, but I can at least appreciate a team that gives me something to root for year in and year out.
Like I said before, in this league, all you really need is a ticket to get in and be playing well at the end of the year. The Eagles have both. So we'll see what they do and I'll be there enjoying every minute of it.
Phreak, half of those losses came last season, too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 08:13:01 PM
But this thing was against all odds... and anyone with half a brain (including us) wrote us off for any kind of playoff appearance... let alone another division title. The NFC East was supposed to be too stacked for the Eagles with a healthy McNabb... let alone with Jeff farging Garcia.
i dont disagree with any of this...but if they lose to the giants next week does the nfc east title still mean something to you?
division titles mean something to the cardinals or the browns...or even the eagles in 2001...not to this eagle team tho...not after four nfc title games
You're right... if they lose to the Giants, that puts a nasty ass taste on this thing... no doubt about it. But given our situation this year... it's still an accomplishment. One to be proud of.
Now it's up to the Eagles to make it hold up.
I think we can all agree though... that the division crown isn't the ultimate goal. If the NFC was any good... this would be possibly all we could hope for. But given the state of the conference now... why not us?
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 31, 2006, 10:30:19 PM
If the NFC was any good...
We'd be talking about the draft.
The only thing I don't like about an otherwise terrific day all around, is Baskett leading the NFL with 177 yards and a TD. Now the tream will be all the more tempted to think it's fine to let Stallworth go and have Baskett as the #2.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 01, 2007, 02:46:04 AM
The only thing I don't like about an otherwise terrific day all around, is Baskett leading the NFL with 177 yards and a TD. Now the tream will be all the more tempted to think it's fine to let Stallworth go and have Baskett as the #2.
I hope not. I like Baskett, but as the #3 guy. Stallworth is such agood fit in this offense...please please please resign him.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2006, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 31, 2006, 10:30:19 PM
If the NFC was any good...
We'd be talking about the draft.
Some of us already were. http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19161.0 (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19161.0)
Why wouldnt you discuss the draft, its a message board. Some of us enjoy the aspects of the draft and since the team was in a downward spiral what was wrong with that discussion?
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 31, 2006, 08:55:04 PM
(http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p3440366dt.jpg)
The shirt is $21.99. I don't like it much, it's white for one thing.
(http://shop.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/largeimages/80-601.jpg)
I like the hat though. $24.99.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 01, 2007, 09:27:01 AM
Why wouldnt you discuss the draft, its a message board. Some of us enjoy the aspects of the draft and since the team was in a downward spiral what was wrong with that discussion?
Not a thing. I was just pointing out the draft was already discussed a little. ;D
I'll wait for the Super Bowl Champion shirts. :paranoid
You have to admit, thats a nice hat.
Since i didnt watch the OT.... Did jimmy have to eat crow.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 01, 2007, 09:51:10 AM
Since i didnt watch the OT.... Did jimmy have to eat crow.
They didn't show it because of the Den-SF game going nearly the full OT.
Ya' know, I want a Superbowl as bad as anyone, but I can't help but enjoy the ever lovin' shtein outta' this. I have Skins fans all around me, and a Giants fan right across the road. There are Dallas fans in my nighborhood, but I don't talk to them. I've been talking more shtein than Don King. When Eli took that snap off of his foot last week, I was on all fours laughing in a Giants fans house. He said if I was going to continue to act in such a manner, I would have to leave. His wife told me I could stay. :-D
One taterskin fan in my nieghborhood would ride by in his work van at the beginning of the season, waving the taterskins flag out the window. I'd give him the finger. Now, I give him the double bird, and he ain't waving no farging flag anymore! They all have to look at midnight green when the come to my house. Suckers!!
You can't help but love this stuff!!
I remember watching NFL Live one day in the beginning of the season when Golic and Jckson were on with whoever the host is and Golic said, "All three teams from the NFC East will make the playoffs. The NFC East is the stongest Division in the NFC and I really they will all make the playoffs."
Then Jackson as a way of reminding Golic that there were four teams in the div. leaned towards him and said "Discounting the Eagles of course". And Golic said "Oh yeah, the Eagles are out of the running."
Thats been burned in my memory all year long.
For the first time in my life I might have to send an email to a sports show.
All three teams from the NFC East?
Discounting the Eagles of course?
Eat your words you dirty bastids.
Quote from: Eagles 3x on January 01, 2007, 09:59:31 AM
I remember watching NFL Live one day in the beginning of the season when Golic and Jckson were on with whoever the host is and Golic said, "All three teams from the NFC East will make the playoffs. The NFC East is the stongest Division in the NFC and I really they will all make the playoffs."
Then Jackson as a way of reminding Golic that there were four teams in the div. leaned towards him and said "Discounting the Eagles of course". And Golic said "Oh yeah, the Eagles are out of the running."
Thats been burned in my memory all year long.
For the first time in my life I might have to send an email to a sports show.
All three teams from the NFC East?
Discounting the Eagles of course?
Eat your words you dirty bastids.
Yeah, I remember that, and I remember Jimmy Johnson saying
"The Eagles have absolutly no chance, no chance!!" Eat shtein and die you helmet haired bitch.
I can't count the times I heard on the radio that the Eagles were out of it. Now, the same people who said that are humping Jeff Garcia's leg.
Andy Reid says this NFC East Crown is special (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/16362504.htm)
AP's Dave Goldberg predicts the Eagles will win the NFC (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/wires/01/01/2020.ap.fbn.on.football.the.playoffs.1139/index.html)
can anyone think of a person on the planet youd less rather have predicting your team to make the supebowl than a jew?
Hoge?
maybe
but he called the steelers last year
Everyone knows the Jews rig the whole NFL, so buy your Super Bowl tickets now.
:yay to the Jew bashing. They suck.
:yay to the Jew bashing. They suck at or knowing sports
uh huh
So I guess you have never heard of Hank Greenberg, Sandy Koufax, Mark Spitz and one half of Mike Lieberthal?
so in 150 years of organized sports thats what you can do?
oh and shame on you for forgetting the jewish jordan tamir goodman
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 12:02:39 AM
so in 150 years of organized sports thats what you can do?
I'm sorry? Jews are heritirally short, white and unathetlic. Only a few can break out of the pack and contribute proffesionally.
Also, Tamir Goodman was a super jew. He was Orthodox, refused to play on the sabbatah, wore a yammakah all the time. Most jews aren't like that, at the most, they'll take off yom kippur (shawn green).
im gonna pretend you werent just dissin tamir
Where's he at now? Dude went to a trash school like Towson. Wasted talent.
the yamika held him back
Yarmulke (also spelled yarmulka, though I dunno the difference)
Carry on.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
maybe
but he called the steelers last year
He calls the Steelers every year.
He calls the Steelers every year.
i was joking chief
Yarmulke (also spelled yarmulka, though I dunno the difference)
Carry on.
jew lover
I love all God's creatures.
even that cat in milwaukee who ate minorities?
The devil made him do it.
i thought LT was a vegetarian?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
you dont win coach of the year for realizing how bad of a coach you are
Just reading this thread. And this quote should be branded on the forehead of everyone who thinks Andy Reid should win anything other than a oneway ticket out of town.
wah
vince young
Quote from: General_Failure on January 02, 2007, 01:12:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
maybe
but he called the steelers last year
He calls the Steelers every year.
The real scary thing is a few days ago... Hoge called us the best team in the NFC. :paranoid
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 09:54:07 AM
Just reading this thread. And this quote should be branded on the forehead of everyone who thinks Andy Reid should win anything other than a oneway ticket out of town.
Crazy talk. The should rip down the Rocky statue and put up one of Big Red. Best fargin thing to ever happen to this team.
Best thing he did was draft McNabb. The only other good thing was be the coach when Westbrook was drafted.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2006, 07:50:09 PM
i want a ring
Unless Spadaro's ring ends up on ebay again or 20 years down the road one of the players is poor and needs crack money I do not like your chances.
Plus there's that whole the Eagles have to actually win a superbowl thing too.
Quote from: Yeti on January 02, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 09:54:07 AM
Just reading this thread. And this quote should be branded on the forehead of everyone who thinks Andy Reid should win anything other than a oneway ticket out of town.
Crazy talk. The should rip down the Rocky statue and put up one of Big Red. Best fargin thing to ever happen to this team.
Reid's offense is winning games with Jeff Garcia at qb, and people still want to fire him. Ugh. Yes, he no longer calls plays, but who's playbook is Marty calling the plays from?? Whose offense is it?? Whose team?
It's Reids team, from top to bottom. Does he get any credit for drafting Andrews, or making the deal that brought Runyan here, or anything in between?
I honestly believe that if by some miracle we with the NFC Championship and go to the Superbowl, that there would still be those with hardwood heads that would want to fire him.
Reid's offense is winning games with Jeff Garcia at qb, and people still want to fire him. Ugh. Yes, he no longer calls plays, but who's playbook is Marty calling the plays from?? Whose offense is it?? Whose team?
i have no problem with his play design...ive always gave him much credit for that...which is also why ive always said the best spot for him would be an assistant offensive coach...someone who draws up plays but doesnt actually call them...he has no business being on an nfl sideline on sundays
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 02:30:36 PM
he has no business being on an nfl sideline on sundays
He's won as many or more games as any coach since he's been on the sidelines, yet he has no business being there. ::)
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now and see how everything plays out next year when Dmac comes back. Everyone might as well give up the 'Fire Reid' argument. If and when he does stop coaching, it will probably be to GM this team. Not that I agree with the divine devotion that Lurie seems to have for Reid, I guarantee you that he's cemented his feet as coach with his owner. We lost one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game, but are still winning with a team everyone had written off. Winning with a qb who a lot of people except Reid, me included, thought was done like Burnell. Winning because he has enough talent on this team, and a good enough game plan in place to take a season ending injury to the Franchise player and still win games this team had no business winning. We swept the friggen' division on the road, in three straight games!! The three teams that were supposed to make the NFC East so damn good. Our third string qb passed for over three hundred yards against Atlanta's starters!!
Lurie is not firing Reid. If he did he would look like the biggest idiot in the NFL. imo, he would be too. You don't fire Andy Ried now, with what has transpired the past few years. Maybe you ask him if he'd be interesting in General Managing full time, but you don't fire him.
yeah, he got them out of a 5-6 hole and they won the division, but you have to take into account that he was the main reason they were in that hole. not until he gave up play calling duties did the season turn around.
he's not a good game day coach, that much is clear. he excels in the preparation work done during the week leading up to a game.
also, he's accumulated many of his wins against a terrible division and substandard conference for many years.
the defense put them in the 5-6 hole more than anything else.
also, he's accumulated many of his wins against a terrible division and substandard conference for many years.
thats pretty much it...like i said the other day his record vs winning teams is atrocious...and its sick how many times hes been urinated on by an opposing coach in a big game
Quote from: SunMo on January 02, 2007, 03:01:16 PM
also, he's accumulated many of his wins against a terrible division and substandard conference for many years.
what good coach wouldnt?
Quote from: SunMo on January 02, 2007, 03:01:16 PM
also, he's accumulated many of his wins against a terrible division and substandard conference for many years.
Wait 'till next year, the Cowboys, taterskins, and Giants will all be Superbowl contenders.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 03:06:03 PM
also, he's accumulated many of his wins against a terrible division and substandard conference for many years.
thats pretty much it...like i said the other day his record vs winning teams is atrocious...and its sick how many times hes been urinated on by an opposing coach in a big game
You can't say that without defining what you mean. A winning team the season before? A winning team when they played? A winning team by the end of the season?
And what exactly is a big game? Both Dallas games, and both Giants game can be considered big games, can't they? and each of the 12 playoff games can also be considered a big game? Or are you going by the short term memory big game? Meaning, hey this is a big game, until they lose the next big game, then the 1st big game was actually small.
Blanket statements hold no water when you don't define what you are talking about.
Stop defending Andy Reid. Jesus, he's awful on game day and there's no two ways about it.
A winning team by the end of the season?
teams that finished above .500 for a season..the only thing that matters...a true representation of how good they were
Quote from: Wingspan on January 02, 2007, 03:06:35 PM
what good coach wouldnt?
a good coach would rack up wins and titles. meanwhile, AR has racked up wins and lumped up when the competition got real.
A great coach would rack up wins and titles.
Andy is a good coach who gives us a chance every year. That's more then we're used to as Eagles fans though it seems to just make the let down a fall a little further.
If Andy is not our best chance to win a super bowl.... who the farg is?
Oh look! Another Andy Reid debate! What's next, a McNabb is/isn't a choker discussion?
End yourselves. All of you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 03:27:28 PM
A winning team by the end of the season?
teams that finished above .500 for a season..the only thing that matters...a true representation of how good they were
2000 11-5/1-1
Wins vs +.500 = Saints 10-6, Steelers 9-7, Tampa 10-6*
Wins vs .500 = taterskins 8-8
Losses vs .500 = taterskins 8-8
Losses vs +.500 = Giants x3 12-4, Green Bay 9-7, Titans 13-3
2001 11-5/2-1
Wins vs +.500 = Seattle 9-7, Tampa Bay 9-7, Tampa Bay, 9-7*, Chicago 13-3*
Wins vs .500 = taterskins 8-8
Losses vs .500 = taterskins 8-8
Losses vs +.500 =Rams 14-2, Rams 14-2*, Oakland 10-6, 49ers 12-4
2002 12-4/1-1
Wins vs +.500 = Tampa 12-4, Giants 10-6, 49ers 10-6, Atlanta 9-6-1*
Wins vs .500 =
Losses vs .500 =
Losses vs +.500 = Titans 11-5, Colts 10-6, Giants 10-6, Tampa 12-4*
2003 12-4/1-1
Wins vs +.500 = Green Bay 10-6, Carolina 11-5, Dallas 10-6, Miami 10-6, Green Bay 10-6*
Wins vs .500 = Saints 8-8
Losses vs .500 =
Losses vs +.500 = Patriots 14-2, Dallas 10-6, Carolina 11-5*
2004 13-3/2-1
Wins vs +.500 = Baltimore 9-7, Green Bay 10-6, Atlanta 11-5*
Wins vs .500 = Vikings 8-8, Vikings 8-8*
Losses vs .500 = Rams 8-8, Bengals 8-8 (last 2 throw away games)
Losses vs +.500 = Steelers 15-1
2005 6-10
Wins vs +.500 = Kansas City 10-6, San Diego 9-7
Wins vs .500 =
Losses vs .500 = Atlanta 8-8
Losses vs +.500 = Dallas 9-7, Dallas 9-7, Broncos 9-7, Washington 10-6, Washington10-6, NYG 11-5, NYG 11-5, Seattle 13-3
2006 10-6
Wins vs +.500 = Dallas 9-7, Dallas
Wins vs .500 = Giants 8-8, Green Bay 8-8, Panthers
Losses vs .500 = Giants 8-8, Jacksonville, Titans
Losses vs +.500 = Saints 10-6, Colts 12-4
23-27 in games with teams that finished over .500 in the current season, is hardly atrocious.
8-8 vs teams that finished .500
which makes Reids record vs teams with a .500 or better record an overall
31-35, again, hardly atrocious.
his overall record (minus 1999, including playoffs though) is 82-42
meaning he has lost only 7 games to sub .500 teams in 7 seasons. (a
51-7 overall record to losing teams)
fact
31-35 isn't atrocious? especially when you have one of the best teams in the league?
it's not good, that's for sure.
Reid baffles me anymore. The only things that have been proven this season are that Reid did a good job signing a capable backup QB as opposed to 2005 and that breaking up the Reid/McNabb slobberfest was absolutely a great thing for the team as a whole.
Do that study on a few other coaches and see how that + .500 number matches up I think.
Quote from: SunMo on January 02, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
31-35 isn't atrocious? especially when you have one of the best teams in the league?
it's not good, that's for sure.
what coach has a great record vs teams that are .500 or better.
it's all well and good to parrot the same lines over and over again, I would just like to see them backup with with some substance once in a while. oh, and if you remove last year (which i did not), he's 29-26.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 02, 2007, 04:43:26 PM
Reid baffles me anymore. The only things that have been proven this season are that Reid did a good job signing a capable backup QB as opposed to 2005 and that breaking up the Reid/McNabb slobberfest was absolutely a great thing for the team as a whole.
Because it forced him to come up with an alternative strategy for the offense with McNabb out. A player like McNabb can actually be bad for a team because they get caught up in letting him do it all. Reid's definitly wrong for falling into that but at least he changed like he should when he had too. Or was that Marty's doing?
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I think Andy Reid has a better record against winning teams than most coaches in this league. Someone looked up the numbers on it before, but I know for a fact he has a better win % against winning teams than Gruden and they did a bunch of other good coaches too.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 02, 2007, 05:31:52 PM
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Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 02, 2007, 05:31:52 PM
IGY (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Negadelphian)
QuoteOriginally, a fan or follower of the Philadelphia-based professional sports teams who refused to celebrate the two Stanley Cup championships won by the Philadelphia Flyers in 1974 and 1975 on the grounds that hockey should not be considered a "major" sport; today, a Philadelphia sports fan who is either unduly pessimistic about one or more of the local teams' immediate prospects, or one who strenuously disagrees with the policies, player-personnel decisions etc., made by said team or teams.
yup...you disagree with the team, you're a negadelphian, good call.
The people who hate him unabashedly will continue to do so without ever mentioning or putting forth a contingency plan, because that could possibly lead to criticism and expose themselves to ridicule. People who like Reid will defend him and continue to point towards his accomplishments compared to a lot of the other coaches in the league.
Good breakdown, BTW, Wingspan. Good to see some substance on the board.
his overall record (minus 1999
lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well
and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games
anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in
Quote from: Wingspan on January 02, 2007, 04:44:49 PM
what coach has a great record vs teams that are .500 or better.
it's all well and good to parrot the same lines over and over again, I would just like to see them backup with with some substance once in a while. oh, and if you remove last year (which i did not), he's 29-26.
You won't get any substance. People react on the emotion of Reid never having won a Superbowl. When you throw numbers at them, and facts, it goes over thier heads. They can't see through thier blind, Negaphilian rage. They see the few big games he has lost and tunnel vision sets in to were they can't see anything else. I don't know how they can even enjoy the game or the season. And anyone who doesn't agree with thier assumtions are ridiculed and branded homers. Your a dumbass for not seeing things their way. Now that the team is winning despite all odds, it's a flash in the pan that will only delay the inevitable, the coachs long awaited firing.
Can't you see it?? The only way to win a Superbowl is to fire Ried and trade McNabb.
what coach has a great record vs teams that are .500 or better.
a great record probably not many
but if you consider yourself to be a great coach and consistenly have very good or great teams then you should be around .500 against other good teams...reid is way under that number and in the very biggest moments has come up incredibly small
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 05:54:14 PM
his overall record (minus 1999
lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well
The worst years were without McNabb, the qb he drafted.
Quoteand the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games
Monster choke jobs? That means any team who doesn't win the Superbowl does a Monster choke job.
Quoteanyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in
Please look it up. And your talking about teams regular season record? If so, it bears mentioning what teams won the Superbowl after the Eagles lost to them in the Championship game.
Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.
Facts:
Reid took a team in disarray and brought them a calming stability.
Reid took a team in disarray and made them a dominant force in their division.
Reid had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs three straight years and won zero superbowls.
Reid headed up the offense of an Eagles team that had an intimidating defense and won zero superbowls.
No one anywhere would argue that the NFC was strong during Reid's tenure, yet he has been unable to get this team over the hump. Winning one conference title and zero superbowls.
His play calling has led directly to the franchise quarterback being open to hits more than necessary which in turn has led to the franchise quarterback being hurt in each of the past two seasons.
His play calling also led directly to a 6-10 season last year and a 5-6 start to this season, losing games against two teams led by rookie quarterbacks. Only once he handed over play-calling duty did the team get turned around.
He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 05:54:14 PM
his overall record (minus 1999
lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well
and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games
anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in
if you want to include 1999, fine.
the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500, and 1-1 vs 8-8
i only seperate 8-8 because an optimist will say 500 or higher record, a pessimist will say above 500 when putting this record out there. so in total,
26-32 in games with teams that finished over .500 in the current season, is hardly atrocious.
9-9 vs .500 teams.
Your 16-30 record is just flat out dead wrong. fact. I don't need you to look anything up, because i did.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 02, 2007, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2007, 05:54:14 PM
his overall record (minus 1999
lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well
and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games
anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in
if you want to include 1999, fine.
the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500, and 1-1 vs 8-8
i only seperate 8-8 because an optimist will say 500 or higher record, a pessimist will say above 500 when putting this record out there. so in total,
26-32 in games with teams that finished over .500 in the current season, is hardly atrocious.
9-9 vs .500 teams.
Your 16-30 record is just flat out dead wrong. fact. I don't need you to look anything up, because i did.
make this comparison, i'll pull out Bill Cowher and Bill Belichek's record.
if you want to include 1999, fine.
the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500
they were 2-5 in 99
they were 16-30 or within a game or two of that overall...i checked it at work a few weeks ago and have the info there...actually they may be a tad better now with the run they went on to finsih this season...anyway the point is reid is a terrible game day coach especially against equal or better competition
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 06:22:07 PM
Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.
Facts:
Reid took a team in disarray and brought them a calming stability.
Reid took a team in disarray and made them a dominant force in their division.
Reid had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs three straight years and won zero superbowls.
Reid headed up the offense of an Eagles team that had an intimidating defense and won zero superbowls.
No one anywhere would argue that the NFC was strong during Reid's tenure, yet he has been unable to get this team over the hump. Winning one conference title and zero superbowls.
His play calling has led directly to the franchise quarterback being open to hits more than necessary which in turn has led to the franchise quarterback being hurt in each of the past two seasons.
His play calling also led directly to a 6-10 season last year and a 5-6 start to this season, losing games against two teams led by rookie quarterbacks. Only once he handed over play-calling duty did the team get turned around.
He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.
The only actual documented facts in your post are the 6-10 last year, this years start, and zero Superbowls. Most everyting else is opinion.
How long did it take Cowher to win a Superbowl?? How about a qb like Elway??
It's idiotic to defend him?? Like I said, to fire Reid after this season would make Lurie look like the biggest idiot in the NFL. Long as people diss him, I'll defend him. I didn't start this debate, but I can't sit around saying nothing when it is said that winning only lengthens Rieds tenure and that can't be good. It would be idiotic not to voice an opinion on that one.
Quote from: shorebird on January 02, 2007, 06:09:56 PM
They see the few big games he has lost and tunnel vision sets in to were they can't see anything else.
yeah, who cares about not being able to coach in those pesky NFCCGs, it's all those wins against the Quincy Carter's Cowboys and Mark Brunnell's taterskins we should all remember!
Cowher
vs +.500 = 55-61-1
vs .500 = 15-12
i'll get to belicheck tomorrow
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 06:22:07 PM
Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.
He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.
If you had read my post, you would see I'm not defending him tooth and nail. What I said was, "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things play out next year with McNabb back." I also have said earlier that if Reid comes back next year with his pass happy attitude, and is too hard headed to see what a balanced attack does for this team, then yes, I will call for his head.
Only an idiot would fire him now, or this post season. You don't fire him, you make him GM full time.
But it's all the same, anyone who doesn't agree with you is idiotic, even if there are facts to back up their half of a debate, just as there are facts to back up Rieds flaws.
anyone calling for a head coach to be fired when all hes done is won, is completely f-in lost in the sauce. Get your heads straight.
The head coaches and coaches keeps these players heads on the right track, where they could of easily folded after their star QB goes down.
It happens every year in the NFL with 1 or 2 teams that turn their season around--and who does ESPN always ride the nuts of and give props to--the head coach. They steer the ship and so far it has gotten these players to play harder every Sunday.
The play calling was obvious. When his prize QB went down, who he calls way too many plays for--no question, he shifted over to Marty calling the plays, because he calls offensive plays that strong suit Garcia. Its just a crying shame it took McNabb to go down for them to realize that you need to run as well to win ball games
You fire head coaches that blow and cant win squat consistently, not coaches that win consistently. The Super Bowl win will come in time.... and if it does, you can bet it will be with Reid
I think you idiots should argue some more.
I disagree.
Fire Andy Reid.
Um, where's the delete post option?
What was it I said about posting drunk a few weeks ago? Ugh.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 10:02:46 PM
Um, where's the delete post option?
It's been gone since the upgrade. Try to keep up, shteinpants.
No.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2007, 06:22:07 PM
Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.
Facts:
Reid took a team in disarray and brought them a calming stability.
Reid took a team in disarray and made them a dominant force in their division.
Reid had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs three straight years and won zero superbowls.
Reid headed up the offense of an Eagles team that had an intimidating defense and won zero superbowls.
No one anywhere would argue that the NFC was strong during Reid's tenure, yet he has been unable to get this team over the hump. Winning one conference title and zero superbowls.
His play calling has led directly to the franchise quarterback being open to hits more than necessary which in turn has led to the franchise quarterback being hurt in each of the past two seasons.
His play calling also led directly to a 6-10 season last year and a 5-6 start to this season, losing games against two teams led by rookie quarterbacks. Only once he handed over play-calling duty did the team get turned around.
He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.
You mean he took a team that had been a joke of the league for 3 years and turned them into and NFC powerhouse?
Woe is me, fire the guy for doing something so horrible!! So evil! Playing a huge role in giving the Eagles an oppertunity to win the Super Bowl year after year...What the hell is he thinking? Get him out of here.
:-D
There's a lot of things I hate about Reid, his refusal to run the ball most of the time being the first and foremost....but yeah, lets bring in all new coaches and new systems and see how far that gets us for the next few yeyars. :yay
You post like a farging whiney little girl. It's pathetic.
To elaborate...
75% of your posts are made with the express purpose of gloating about a couple of mindless points that you made that no one agrees with.
Let me sum up and dispell the theme of every whiney post you make so hopefully you can move on...
- Hank Baskett played a good game this week but he would never have seen the field if they had played this game with their regulars. Comparing his stats to McMullen's, when McMullen actually played a role in his team's regular offense and then gloating about how good Baskett is is retarded.
- Taking this team's turnaround and saying that it is indicative of how good a coach Andy Reid is, is idiotic. It was his fault this team was in a hole in the first place. He's awful on gameday and anyone who disagrees isn't watching the same team that I am.
- Brian Westbrook is talented but injury prone. You seem to think that gaining 1000 yards proves that he isn't injury prone. But once again he missed a full game and part of others this season because of injuries.
There, I've summed up all of your posts in one neat little package. Now talk about something else, little girl. It's pathetic.
and turned them into and NFC powerhouse?
oxymoron
btw powerhouses/gold standards whatever you like to call them win championships
the bottom line here is that the eagles have won a lot of games against pathetic competion inspite of reid and have lost championships because of reid
john fox
bill callahan
mike martz have all made as many superbowls as andy
andy has cost them championships and is a terrible game day coach
we all know hes not getting fired
we all know he should
especially if you believe this team still has a window to compete for superbowls
they need a good coach to put them over the top
I'm not against firing someone if they bring in someone who's going to make the team better. So who is the next coach of the Eagles? Andy's a good but not great coach that could bring a championship some day like a bill Cower. Especially in the watered down NFL and NFC especially. So who would you hire to get the Eagles a super bowl that is available right now? I'm not sure there is enough of a case for a coach to be a big enough improvement out there wanting to be hired unless you score Billichek. Even then he could be a burnt out wreck by time he gets here.
If Reid somehow pulls a rabbit out of his considerable ass and wins the Super Bowl, should the Eagles still fire him?
Just wondering.
Does anyone actually believe that that is possible?
Of course it's possible. Given our luck as Eagles fans, it might even be likely, because it would mean at least 3-4 more years of Andy Reid, no matter how bad they might be.
Fine, it's possible. It'll probably happen just to prove me wrong. Either way, I win.
not possible
Saying you're an NFC powerhouse is like saying you're the fastest kid at the special olympics.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 03, 2007, 08:14:09 AM
To elaborate...
75% of your posts are made with the express purpose of gloating about a couple of mindless points that you made that no one agrees with.
Let me sum up and dispell the theme of every whiney post you make so hopefully you can move on...
- Hank Baskett played a good game this week but he would never have seen the field if they had played this game with their regulars. Comparing his stats to McMullen's, when McMullen actually played a role in his team's regular offense and then gloating about how good Baskett is is retarded.
- Taking this team's turnaround and saying that it is indicative of how good a coach Andy Reid is, is idiotic. It was his fault this team was in a hole in the first place. He's awful on gameday and anyone who disagrees isn't watching the same team that I am.
- Brian Westbrook is talented but injury prone. You seem to think that gaining 1000 yards proves that he isn't injury prone. But once again he missed a full game and part of others this season because of injuries.
There, I've summed up all of your posts in one neat little package. Now talk about something else, little girl. It's pathetic.
:-DDid you just make a post calling somebody else whiney? Pot, meet kettle.
2nd of all, I didn't bring up McMullen's stats at all in that thread. That was someone else. Good reading.
-I never said this turnaround was because of how great Andy Reid is either. Once again, good job reading. I said Andy has taken the team from being a 3-5 win joke of the league and turned it into a team that is competitive every year and every year has had a chance to win the Super Bowl. I also said that firing Andy Reid was not going to = Super Bowl championship. Infact, it would probably make things here terrible for at LEAST a yaer, probably more like 3, as the offense and defense learns completely new systems. Yeah, fire Andy Reid!
-Your dumbass was on here and there screaming about how Westbrook couldn't carry the load, was too injury prone to ever be a 1,000 yard back, couldnt' take getting more then 200 carries in a season. Yes, you said these things. And if you weren't the one who said it, it was your good friend Eddie Wattikus who you agreed with every step of the way. So, in otherwords, you were proven completely wrong, shut up and stop whining about it.
Waaaaah. Cry baby.
impressive andy reid number of the day
was looking at his playoff history and hes 5-0 in opening games
ha ha ha at this the turn of this thread.
I love me some me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2007, 10:53:27 AM
impressive andy reid number of the day
was looking at his playoff history and hes 5-0 in opening games
Interesting stat...where do you think that number comes from? Favorable seeding? Level of competition? Time to prepare? 3 were after a bye. All but the first (2000) were at home.
His record is 2-0 in the wildcard round, 4-1 in the Division Round, and 1-3 in NFCCGs.
Unfortunately, this year stats & trends mean zero (seemingly more so than normal).
Level of competition? Time to prepare?
yes and yes
tampa x 2
michael vick
pathetic packer team
weak viking team
but if nothing else reid is excellent in the preperation game and the time to prepare certainly gives him a nice advantage
His record is 2-0 in the wildcard round, 4-1 in the Division Round, and 1-3 in NFCCGs.
he also lost the ultimate championship game so i would include that as well
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David Akers rockin the Roy Munson line of clothing found exclusively in the movie King Pin. Give the man a combover and a rubber hand and let's roll.
I think the suit works for Akers, but the tie needs to go. He pulls it off with the goatee and all.
What photo is that? The key players during the last 5 games photo (minus Trotter; just because I can think of players probably more worthy)?
Playoff captains.
With that suit Akers could pass as a used car salesman.
Koy with his neckbeard in a pair of Dickies coveralls would be the shop mechanic.
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Yes, it's true. I am David Akers.