QuoteGIANTS' SHORT-TERM FUTURE FULL OF POSSIBLE SURPRISES
Okay, we know that we promised to share the "stunning" news that we've picked up regarding the future of the Giants last night, but we were putting up other stories and doing other holiday-related stuff and wanted to have the time to sit down and focus on this one.
Anyway, here's what we've picked up, all from our network of league and industry sources.
First, former Texans and taterskins G.M. Charley Casserly is regarded as the top prospect to replace Ernie Accorsi in New York. Casserly was interviewed for the job last week.
Second, New England V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli wants the Giants G.M. job, but Bob and Jonathan Kraft (who own the Patriots) don't want to let him go -- and the Giants apparently are inclined to defer to them, which Cleveland owner Randy Lerner supposedly did a couple of years ago before Phil Savage was hired as the Browns G.M.
Third, the Patriots (as we hear it) are more inclined to let coach Bill Belichick leave than Pioli. Myra Kraft, the wife of Bob Kraft, is said to be very troubled by reports of Belichick's alleged "relationship" with a married woman in New Jersey, which information surfaced earlier this year in connection with the woman's divorce proceedings.
Fourth, the Giants aren't inclined to hire Belichick because of those same dynamics. "They don't need another P.R. nightmare," said one source. Just last week, Page Six of the New York Post disclosed that the divorce complaint has been amended by Vincent Shenocca to accuse his wife and Belichick of adultery.
Fifth, if Casserly gets the G.M. job, his first choice for head coach will be former Packers coach Mike Sherman, who was hired as an assistant with the Texans while Casserly's tenure was winding down.
Sixth, a dark horse candidate for the Giants job is Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morningsomething. (Insert shudder here.)
Seventh, and finally, Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis wants the Giants job, but realizes that it could be a dead end in the short term. He likewise doesn't want to leave the Irish so soon after his arrival two seasons ago.
So there you have it. The current talk from folks in the know. Regardless of what actually happens, it's gonna be an interesting ride for the G-men over the next couple of weeks.
If they hire Casserly and Sherman it will be hilarious.
QuoteThird, the Patriots (as we hear it) are more inclined to let coach Bill Belichick leave than Pioli. Myra Kraft, the wife of Bob Kraft, is said to be very troubled by reports of Belichick's alleged "relationship" with a married woman in New Jersey, which information surfaced earlier this year in connection with the woman's divorce proceedings
What the farg? Who gives a shtein who he's banging? His job is to win you Super Bowls, you ignorant, puritanical twat. Mind your own business already.
Jesus.
::)
This kind of news being batted around can't be too healthy for a team still well-positioned in the playoff hunt.
Purely FWIW, I work with a guy who used to work for the Giants. He still has connections over there and told me that they are going to go after Weis. I doubt he will leave ND, but if he did, it would not be good.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 28, 2006, 10:22:45 AM
Purely FWIW, I work with a guy who used to work for the Giants. He still has connections over there and told me that they are going to go after Weis. I doubt he will leave ND, but if he did, it would not be good.
I saw that on the front page of the NY Post the other day & hoped that was just wishful thinking on the media's part. If they got Weis & the taterskins reanimate the corpse of Lombardi like Snyder plans, it will be a whole offseason of "How can the Eagles compete now that team x has coach x?"
Kraft is Satan. His bitch wife is Satan's bitch.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 28, 2006, 10:22:45 AM
Purely FWIW, I work with a guy who used to work for the Giants. He still has connections over there and told me that they are going to go after Weis. I doubt he will leave ND, but if he did, it would not be good.
Weis supposedly has a clause in his contract that he can't take any NFL job unless it's with the Giants.
QuoteSixth, a dark horse candidate for the Giants job is Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morningsomething. (Insert shudder here.)
Now THAT would be funny
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 28, 2006, 12:13:44 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 28, 2006, 10:22:45 AM
Purely FWIW, I work with a guy who used to work for the Giants. He still has connections over there and told me that they are going to go after Weis. I doubt he will leave ND, but if he did, it would not be good.
Weis supposedly has a clause in his contract that he can't take any NFL job unless it's with the Giants.
He told me that too...
He likes the Gnats chances at getting Weis.
I would love to see Eli run Weis' offense. That would be high comedy most of the time.
Casserly getting the job = automatic bad decision on the next head coach and all player personal areas.
No worries, friends. This will be good.
if morningweg leaves, that just means the eagles go back to andy calling plays next year.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 28, 2006, 01:24:41 PM
if morningweg leaves, that just means the eagles go back to andy calling plays next year.
There's no guarantee that Marty keeps that responsibility anyway, but I'm with you none the less. Marty absolutely MUST be retained next year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 28, 2006, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on December 28, 2006, 01:24:41 PM
if morningweg leaves, that just means the eagles go back to andy calling plays next year.
There's no guarantee that Marty keeps that responsibility anyway, but I'm with you none the less. Marty absolutely MUST be retained next year.
It seems just like yesterday when we were pissing & moaning about bringing him in & how he should be kept out of making coin toss decisions. :-D
Well that's still a given.
i really knew nothing about marty other than he sucked as lions coach for a while. but with millen there i don't see any coach ever looking good.
he obviously must have done something good before that in order to get a head coaching gig. although again, he was hired by millen.
regardless, the last 3 weeks of playcalling have been some of the best i've seen from an eagles team in reid's tenure here. why they can't call games like this with mcnabb behind center is beyond me.
Anyone think Alabama might give Coughlin a try if Saban refuses? Coughlin had success in the college ranks and initial success with the Jags. Although the pros may not put up with his heavy-handedness, it may still work in college with their frequent turnover. Coughlin might be enough of a name for Alabama to save face with the fiasco that is the Saban wooing.
Quote from: MDS on December 28, 2006, 01:18:44 PM
Casserly getting the job = automatic bad decision on the next head coach and all player personal areas.
No worries, friends. This will be good.
Fire the guy who traded Phillip Rivers for Sheli and replace him with the guy who passed on Reggie Bush and Vince Young for Mario Williams. BRILLIANT!
Sounds about right.
I can't see the Giants shelling out nearly 60M for their next GM and head coach. They'd have to buy out Weis' contract which is about 15M itself, and then he'd probably demand a 5 year 30M deal--that's 45M there--and their next GM is sure to get about 5 years and 15M. Plus, having to pay off Coughlin and all of his assistants?
QuoteQuoted in The Daily News, one unidentified player on Head Coach Tom Coughlin: "You think the fans don't like him? The players don't like him, either. We're tired of listening to him."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2006, 10:54:55 AM
QuoteQuoted in The Daily News, one unidentified player on Head Coach Tom Coughlin: "You think the fans don't like him? The players don't like him, either. We're tired of listening to him."
That's exactly the MO of Coughlin. He lights a fire under a team at first, but his act wears very thin. He's perfect for the college game or for a short-term fix at head coach, but he's simply too intense to be a long-term solution in the NFL. Frankly, it's kind of the same deal as Gruden.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2006, 10:54:55 AM
QuoteQuoted in The Daily News, one unidentified player on Head Coach Tom Coughlin: "You think the fans don't like him? The players don't like him, either. We're tired of listening to him."
Boo fargin' hoo. I'm sick of reading about Giants players whining like they're the 72 Dolphins. They're a mediocre bunch of cry-babies who haven't done jack since they went to the Super Bowl. So Tiki's retiring to do media work? Best place for him as well as the likes of Strahan, Shockey and all those other whining bitches. Coughlin wins em their first division title in what five or six years? Then the players shtein on him from a great height because he makes them work hard for their multi-million dollar pay packets. Cry me a river you cork suckers.
QuoteGIANTS: Pats' Pioli on radar for GM job
Monday, January 08, 2007
BY MIKE GARAFOLO
Star-Ledger Staff
PHILADELPHIA -- The whispers about the Giants' interest in Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli as their next general manager are accurate.
As early as this week, the Giants are expected to request permission to interview Pioli, according to someone who speaks to members of the team's front office on a regular basis. The person requested anonymity because of the private nature of the search.
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The interview could happen even though the Patriots are still in the playoffs. League rules permit teams to speak to members of teams that won their wild-card games for this week only.
Pioli likely would be the leading candidate from outside the organization. The team interviewed former Texans GM Charlie Casserly, but he's considered a long shot.
The in-house favorite is director of player personnel Jerry Reese. That creates an intriguing situation because the Tennessee Titans are interested in Reese to replace outgoing general manager Floyd Reese (they are not related), who resigned last week because the Titans were not going to grant him an extension when his contract expires next month.
The Giants have not commented about their search for a new general manager to replace Ernie Accorsi, who is retiring.
New England owner Robert Kraft likely will go to any length possible to keep Pioli, who helped construct a dynasty along with coach Bill Belichick. But in his current job, Pioli would be allowed to leave for the Giants' GM position because it would be considered a promotion. With the Giants, he would have total control over personnel decisions, which he does not currently have.
Pioli and Belichick have formed a partnership that has resulted in three Super Bowl titles. The Patriots beat the Jets, 37-16, yesterday and now head to San Diego to play the Chargers on Sunday.
Around the league, Pioli is considered a whiz at spotting talent and working around the league's salary cap. On a personal note, Pioli is married to the daughter of former Giants and current Cowboys coach Bill Parcells.
Accorsi's retirement is scheduled to begin one week from today, but that doesn't mean the Giants must name a new GM by then. The next couple of weeks entail college all-star games and other events that can be handled by the scouting department. Free agency -- the first major decision-making process for a GM -- doesn't begin until March.
If the Giants hire Pioli, it would add life to the rumors Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis will be the team's next head coach. Weis was the Patriots' offensive coordinator from 2000-04.
Recently, Weis has publicly stated he would not leave Notre Dame anytime soon, but the same source who discussed Pioli said the Giants have been told Weis would be interested in the job. Weis might simply be taking his public stance because he doesn't want to hurt his recruiting if he stays in South Bend.
if the Giants can land Pioli, that would be a very bad thing for the Eagles.
I wish the Lions would fire Millen so Giants could hire him. That would be super.
Newsday:
QuoteAfter hearing plenty about the Giants and Patriots' VP of Player Personnel Scott Pioli having mutual interest in making Pioli the Giants' GM, a Giants official just told me that the Giants asked the Pats for permission to talk, permission was granted...
And Pioli declined to be interviewed.
Word is that even Bill Belichick placed a call to the Giants to tell them how good Pioli is. This is a bit of a shocker, I think, but the guy has a good job with a good team and might not want to be the one to overhaul the Giants.
Just speculating on that. But it's not speculation that Pioli said no to an interview.
ha
It's awful nice to say "no thanks" to a prospective employer. I've had the pleasure and man, is it sweet.
Coughlin might be better in the coaching ranks when he can be a hard ass consistently and still be successful because the egos of college athletes are more malleable than professionals are.
Usually, college football players are willing to learn and want to get better and play as a team. Pros, when they rake in all the dough, have inflated egos and don't necessarily look out for the team's collective interests -- playing unselfish football, taking criticism, knowing that they can and should strive to get better, etc..
Pros have just plateau'ed out. The really great pros are ones that are still willing to learn, get better, and can humble themselves and handle criticism.
Coughlin might have worn on the players, but the lack of team unity in the Giants locker room and the 'its not my problem' attitude in the Giants locker had a greater effect than Coughlin did.
Any leader worth a damn knows that the draconian icehole routine only gets you so far, and never far enough to get anywhere worth going.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 08, 2007, 05:14:06 PM
Newsday:
QuoteAfter hearing plenty about the Giants and Patriots' VP of Player Personnel Scott Pioli having mutual interest in making Pioli the Giants' GM, a Giants official just told me that the Giants asked the Pats for permission to talk, permission was granted...
And Pioli declined to be interviewed.
Word is that even Bill Belichick placed a call to the Giants to tell them how good Pioli is. This is a bit of a shocker, I think, but the guy has a good job with a good team and might not want to be the one to overhaul the Giants.
Just speculating on that. But it's not speculation that Pioli said no to an interview.
ha
Good news. :yay
F Pioli. Next...
Quote from: Diomedes on January 08, 2007, 05:15:42 PM
It's awful nice to say "no thanks" to a prospective employer. I've had the pleasure and man, is it sweet.
I did it twice, then I joined the Army. I am a genius.
You might've said yes to one of 'em. Instead, you're a hero.
Quote from: BlueHeart on January 08, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
F Pioli. Next...
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Parcells is in the frame to be the next GM of the Giants.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on January 09, 2007, 12:48:54 AM
Quote from: BlueHeart on January 08, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
F Pioli. Next...
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Parcells is in the frame to be the next GM of the Giants.
I'd love to see that happen, Parcell's is an awful talent evaluator. GMs were often reluctant to let him chose talent becuase its not his strength. He butted heads with Kraft in NE over personnell decisions, finally got to shop for his own groceries with the Jets but really wasn't successful aside 1 lucky year where they won a playoff game. Jerry Jones basically said farg you to him when he signed TO against his wishes.
After seeing Parcells' recent stint with the Cowboys, I HOPE he goes somewhere else in the division.
QuoteGiants: Say no thanks to Parcells
Tuesday, January 09, 2007
BY MIKE GARAFOLO AND PAUL NEEDELL
Star-Ledger Staff
The Giants have rebuffed an overture from Cowboys coach Bill Parcells about returning to the organization as general manager, according to a high-ranking NFL executive familiar with the team's thinking.
Parcells had informed the Giants through an intermediary that he would be interested in returning to the organization to replace the retiring Ernie Accorsi, according to two NFL executives and a player. The sources requested anonymity because of the private nature of the search.
The revelation came after the Giants were snubbed by Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli. As reported in yesterday's Star-Ledger, the Giants planned to interview Pioli and were granted permission from New England. But yesterday Pioli declined to be interviewed, saying in a statement he will remain with the Patriots "for personal reasons."
He declined to be more specific.
Parcells' status with Dallas is unclear after Saturday night's wild 21-20 loss to the Seahawks. The Cowboys, who were seen as Super Bowl contenders just a month ago, lost when quarterback Tony Romo fumbled the hold of a 19-yard field-goal attempt with 1:19 remaining.
It was a fitting end to a tumultuous season that included plenty of tense moments involving wide receiver Terrell Owens, the benching of then-starting quarterback Drew Bledsoe and a collapse at season's end that cost the Cowboys the NFC East title.
Owner Jerry Jones has said he wants Parcells, 65, back as coach. Parcells' contract requires him to make a decision by Feb. 1.
"I'm going to take a look at things, take a look at what we need to do and see where we go," Parcells said after the loss to the Seahawks.
Parcells, who coached the Giants to Super Bowl titles after the 1986 and 1990 seasons, has one year remaining on his contract, so he can't leave to coach the Giants without compensation. Jones would likely block such a move to a division rival anyway, but he could leave to become general manager of another team because that is considered a promotion.
Parcells has also coached the Patriots and Jets. He did not return a message left on his cell phone last night.
A return to the Giants would give Parcells, who grew up in Oradell and has long had a house at the Jersey Shore, a chance to end his Hall of Fame career close to home.
But the Giants appear to be looking for a younger candidate who would stay in the job for the long term. Pioli, 41, would have fit the profile and was the leading outside candidate. Pioli, along with Patriots coach and former Parcells assistant Bill Belichick, have constructed a dynasty in New England that includes three Super Bowl wins.
Pioli is married to Parcells' daughter, Dallas.
Former Texans general manager Charlie Casserly also interviewed with the Giants, but is considered a long shot.
Inside the organization, the No. 1 option is director of player personnel Jerry Reese.
It's unclear if Reese, 42, would have won a battle for the job with Pioli. But Reese is highly regarded by team president John Mara, treasurer Jonathan Tisch and executive vice president Steven Tisch -- the three decision-makers in this process.
Rumor has it that the Giants have made their HC choice... and it's Tom Coughlin. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725854) :-D
That would be great, the players hate him and he's an awful coach.
(at least) 1 more year of the Tom Coughlin face is fine by me.
I don't mind this of course because his players despise him, but any sort of continuity among division rivals doesn't please me. I want turmoil, upheaval and chaos, goddamnit.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 09, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
I don't mind this of course because his players despise him, but any sort of continuity among division rivals doesn't please me. I want turmoil, upheaval and chaos, goddamnit.
Well, unless Coughlin changes his ways, there will be plenty of turmoil and upheaval in New York--especially with Jay Feely ripping him in the papers--of course, Feely ripped most of his teammates as well; in Washington, there will be another round of Danny Boy's spending spree; and in Dallas, it looks like the Owens soap opera will continue--but the Cowboys will do so without Mike Zimmer--he just got hired to be the DC in Atlanta.
As an Eagles fan, I applaud this stupid move.
Quote
Official: Coughlin to stay with Giants
Associated Press
1/10/2007 12:15:38 PM
CALDWELL, N.J. (AP) - Tom Coughlin will return to coach the New York Giants, according to a team official.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the team was to make a formal announcement during a noon conference call.
The team decided Wednesday that two straight playoff appearances outweighed a sub-par 2006 season and a dysfunctional locker room.
It was not immediately known if Coughlin was given a contract extension or he will work under the final year of a deal he signed in January 2004. He was to be paid US$3 million under terms of that contract.
Gary O'Hagan, Coughlin's agent, declined comment when reached by The Associated Press.
The decision came three days after the Giants (8-9) capped a disappointing season with a last-second 23-20 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC wild-card game. It was the second straight season that ended with a first-round playoff defeat.
Coughlin, 25-25 with the Giants, probably will make changes to his coaching staff. What he does to improve the lacklustre performance of quarterback Eli Manning remains to be seen. He also has to hope that Brandon Jacobs can step in and replace retiring halfback Tiki Barber, and there are concerns about the health of defensive end Michael Strahan, who was sidelined late in the season with foot problems.
The Giants started the year with expectations of contending for the Super Bowl after winning the NFC East in 2005. After a 6-2 start, that hope turned into a season of discontent, injuries and a second-half collapse that saw New York lose seven of nine games.
Fans were so upset by the team's performance in a 30-7 home loss to the New Orleans Saints on Dec. 24 that they shouted ``Fire Coughlin'' before walking out early in the fourth quarter.
A year earlier, the no-nonsense coach could do little wrong in leading the Giants to an 11-5 record and the division title.
Coughlin started running into problems with a 23-0 loss to Carolina in the opening round of the playoffs a year ago. Barber said after the game the Giants were outcoached. The halfback and coach settled their differences quickly.
The complaint, however, resurfaced early this season when Pro Bowl tight end Jeremy Shockey also said the team was outcoached after a one-sided loss in Seattle.
While it created headlines, the stir was short-lived when New York went on a five-game winning streak to reach the halfway point in first place. A second division title was on the horizon.
Then injuries to receiver Amani Toomer, seven-time Pro Bowler Strahan and offensive tackle Luke Petitgout contributed to the free fall that saw New York lose four of its final seven games despite having the lead or a tie in the fourth quarter.
The slide also seemed to indicate Coughlin's disciplinarian style was wearing thin with the players.
Coughlin made one move down the stretch, relieving offensive co-ordinator John Hufnagel after the Saints game and giving quarterbacks coach Kevin Gilbride the play-calling duties.
Barber carried New York to a playoff berth days later with a team-record 234-yard rushing performance in a win over Washington. It gave New York a .500 record, good enough for the post-season in the weak NFC.
Before joining the Giants, Coughlin was Jacksonville's head coach from 1995-2002 and went 72-64.
This'll be interesting. Do they give Coughlin a shot by cleaning up the locker room, getting someone in to try and help
The Bust (Eli), or just leave him to dangle until next year when there is expected to be better coaching canidates? I'm going with the latter.
I work with 90% Giants fans, and they're all pretty pissed now. I love it.
Me too. I'm taunting people pretty hard, enjoying the hell out of it.
Gave the jump shot to a guy earlier...he didn't take that too well.
no you didn't.
The blood drained from his face, it was precious.
Pointing. Laughing.
Oops...wrong thread ;D
I dunno how I feel about the move. In the short term... it's cool because we know Coughlin's lost that team and they won't do a damn thing with him on the sidelines. But we all know he's simply a lame duck for '07 and he's just biding time for the Giants until '08 when they'll have a shot at Cowher or another better coaching option than what they have now.
Told yas he'd be back.
Sigh...
**hangs head**
hahaha
This should be tomorrow's sports headline in NY:
Giants to players, fans: "farg you".
Quote from: BlueHeart on January 11, 2007, 12:26:40 AM
Told yas he'd be back.
Sigh...
**hangs head**
Pointing...Laughing
Carlos Emmons was on the Afternoon Blitz w/ Schein and Jim Miller yesterday, and all you could hear was a damn fax machine coming from his end.
Think he's faxing his resume to some teams? ::)
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 11, 2007, 01:26:48 PM
Carlos Emmons was on the Afternoon Blitz w/ Schein and Jim Miller yesterday, and all you could hear was a damn fax machine coming from his end.
Think he's faxing his resume to some teams? ::)
Hopefully not ours.
Isnt "ours" similar to "we"?
Giants are expected to name Jerry Reese their new GM. This just keeps getting better.
Also, their D-coordinator Tim Lewis will not be back.
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 11, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
Isnt "ours" similar to "we"?
The possessive implies a different context than the personal - my team, our team implies ownership of the team which is conveyed through the team name - Philadelphia Eagles, rather than "The Jeff Lurie Eagles"
The personal implies particiaption - we traded, we blocked, we tackled. You weren't on the field, STUFU.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 11, 2007, 04:37:58 PM
Giants are expected to name Jerry Reese their new GM. This just keeps getting better.
Also, their D-coordinator Tim Lewis will not be back.
I actually would welcome Reese as new GM.
Not exactly broken up about Lewis being shown the door.
So it is written, so it shall be done.
Reese = GM
Done.
Ike or Della?
Della, of course.
Beasley?