Quote"It's obvious where if they (the Eagles) feel like you disrespect them, they're going to disrespect you," Smith said. "It's kind of obvious."
and there you have it.
link to article (http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061125/SPORTS02/611250371/1002/SPORTS)
Good, I hope he doesn't re-sign. I'm so tired of his bad hands and inconsistency. Maybe we can get a real TE in here. Isn't Eric Johnson a free agent after this season?
He definitely won't be resigning now. He's done as an Eagle after that quote. Will Andy move Schoebel above him on the depth chart?
This whole situation reminds me of my last year in the Navy. My Chief at the time was a real fake, if you were aboard with him as a 'lifer' than you were his boy, but once I made my intentions known of getting out I went into his doghouse. He tried like hell to convince me to stay, but I stood my ground. My final months he was a total icehole and went out of his way to make life hard on me, as if I didn't have enough shtein to worry about.
Well, obviously. The team's FA practices are bush league.
Quote from: King Cole on November 25, 2006, 04:54:58 PM
Good, I hope he doesn't re-sign. I'm so tired of his bad hands and inconsistency. Maybe we can get a real TE in here. Isn't Eric Johnson a free agent after this season?
Ha! THis team will never sign a TE who can catch AND block. Never.
I hate agreeing with numbnuts Bunkley, but I also don't want LJ resigned. He's mediocre at the best of times.
How have they disrespected LJ? Schobel isn't playing more...
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 25, 2006, 07:29:29 PM
How have they disrespected LJ? Schobel isn't playing more...
I'm assuming the contract extension proposals he's gotten.
It would be nice if smith resigned, but as long as the Eagles don't re-sign him, I'll be happy.
How have they disrespected LJ?
they havent....did anyone actually read the article?....or just the thread title...in the article lj is speaking upon the hood incident not referring to himself...
there isnt a player on this team or a person in the know that cant see how hood got broomsticked in the anal tract
the front office of this team is pathetic
So, they're not trying to resign him? Whew!
Hood can go now. This team needs a new starting CB, so either Tito or Sheldon needs to take a step down.
Yeah, I don't think I'll shed a tear if LJ leaves. He has been completely underwhelming and as a whole I think his attitude sucks a good deal of the time.
Another CB would be nice, someone needs to wake up Tito and Sheldon. However, I can't imagine the Eagles shelling out money to anyone in this market -- maybe Samuel but that would even be a stretch.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2006, 11:46:46 PM
How have they disrespected LJ?
they havent....did anyone actually read the article?....or just the thread title...in the article lj is speaking upon the hood incident not referring to himself...
I was responding to the first responses of this thread. I don't think they've approached LJ about an extension yet...
i know easy...i wasnt referring to you specifically....but to the people who are talking about lj and his contract situation when the article (and his quote) had nothing to do with him whatsoever
everytime a player speaks his mind theres a rush of people coming out of the woodwork to bash him both persoanlly and on the field
lj is a damn good te and perfect for this offense as long as they continue to be pass dominant...but he says one thing and all of a sudden he sucks and good riddance
IGY, I've been a huge LJ supporter and all, but to say he's "damn good" is....meh. I mean I thought he'd put up huge numbers this year, but over the last few weeks I think he's dropped more passes then Reggie Brown.
His hands do, however, seem to get more sticky the closer the Eagles get to the endzone. Too bad they won't be that close to it for the rest of the year.
He's good, but he's expendable. He hasn't been as dominant as everyone thought he would be. Over the past 2 years everyone has been saying "this is his breakout year" and it has never materialized. Now, it might not be his fault wholly, because the playcalling is obviously suspect and he might not have had a lot of opportunities, but his blocking is sub-par and his hands have been pretty atrocious over the past few weeks as well.
What's sad is that LJ has talent, but he probably won't flourish in this system with the way he's being utilized. LJ might be one of those players who benefits from a change of scenery and/or a change in coaching.
i would want him to be re-signed.
I'd like to see LJ stay with the Eagles. On balance, he helps the team. He needs to wise up, and to block better, but he's not the TE the Eagles should be letting go.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 26, 2006, 08:06:52 PM
I'd like to see LJ stay with the Eagles. On balance, he helps the team. He needs to wise up, and to block better, but he's not the TE the Eagles should be letting go.
I agree. When it comes down to it... he's a positive on this team, not a negative. Yes, he has his faults (blocking) and all that, but he's a weapon that adds another dimension to this offense.
LJ had a decent game tonight. I'm just interested to see how much he'll demand in FA, assuming he gets to test the market. TE's are pretty much at a premium in the NFL, and I don't know if the Eagles will match any offer if they don't re-sign him.
He is under contract for '07 though, isn't he?
I dunno, he just hasn't been that great safety valve for McNabb as a thought he would be by now, that's the only reason that I wouldn't go crazy if he does walk. Now, it might be that he was never used effectively as someone who worked the middle consistently, and the Eagles used him in a manner that wasn't exactly conducive to his talent, but I guess we'll never know.
I was always under the impression that LJ never worked the middle of the field enough. Andy never gave him routes where he would work from hash mark to hash mark. It seems like LJ always was sent on out patterns or they tried TE screens with him, or maybe just sent him on a go route down the field, but he was hardly seen in the middle of the field working on safeties. Maybe in the next couple of weeks he'll get more of those looks without the Eagles being any real threat down the field (but, one could argue that they weren't the past 5 weeks), and we'll see if his protection dramatically increases.
Actually I think he's worked the middle of the field a lot. The problem has been that the routes he's been running are 4-8 yard turn arounds right around the LB's. Why waste his athletic ability on those routes? Those are the balls he has frequently dropped too. He's at his best on the run, preferably a little deeper then the LB's, and underneath the safety's in the middle of the field.
i want LJ to stay too, but it bothers me that he is a terrible blocker. if there is one thing you don't need imbedded talent to do, it's blocking. anybody with a little ambition and hard work can be a good blocker. Gates talks all the time about working on his blocking to become a well rounded TE. i don't know why LJ won't work on it, but it's probably because he knows he won't be held accountable on it.
I like LJ, but he's replaceable if the team starts building around the ground game.
:-D roflcopter
yeah why would lj work on blocking...blocking for who
what they need to do is spread him out much more and use him more as a hback/wr than a te...much like the skins do with cooley
i agree with munson lj runs way to many shorts hooks...he needs to get donw the field more...deeper seam routes and especially mid range crossing patters where he can use his speed...why would you have an athletic te run to middle of the field and turn around
i know why
becaus thats how andys offense is drawn up and god forbid you cater some of the offense to the players in it
lj's goal post slam dunk while down by 2 touchdowns was quite impressive.
Quote from: hunt on November 27, 2006, 11:38:44 AM
lj's goal post slam dunk while down by 2 touchdowns was quite impressive.
I thought that was basically a "shout-out" to McNabb.
I thought that was awful. I think all celebration is awful.
Coaches need to put on suits and start benching shtein head players. Bring some dignity back to the game. Watching some icehole player celebrate his TD or his sack is sickening. Show some goddamned class.
I'm starting to hate the NFL.
You must have really loved it when Trotter did his signature Axe-Man celebration after finally getting to Dominic Rhodes! :-D
nm
Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 27, 2006, 11:52:45 AM
You must have really loved it when Trotter did his signature Axe-Man celebration after finally getting to Dominic Rhodes! :-D
all that was missing was a dhani air guitar lick after he held addai to a 7 yard gain.
Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 27, 2006, 11:52:45 AM
You must have really loved it when Trotter did his signature Axe-Man celebration after finally getting to Dominic Rhodes!
I spit bullets, and posted a sharply sarcastic comment to the game thread. I'm sure that hurt Trotter's feelings when I did that.
Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 27, 2006, 11:52:45 AM
You must have really loved it when Trotter did his signature Axe-Man celebration after finally getting to Dominic Rhodes! :-D
Unreal. The D had already given up 2 TD's to Addai at that point, getting GASHED for big yards on every run... and Trotter's dumb ass is celebrating a 2 yd loss. :boom
Darwin Walker also does the celebration shtein no matter what the score is. nonsense.
I actually chuckled when the Colts linebacker did the chop after stopping Westbrook or Buck (forget which).
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 27, 2006, 03:26:09 PM
I actually chuckled when the Colts linebacker did the chop after stopping Westbrook or Buck (forget which).
I caught that as well, and gave a little "hmph" when he did it. It was hard to chuckle, cry, yell, or cheer when I was watching the game with zero emotion.
Football is much easier to take when you have no expectations. I imagine taterskins' fans have known this for years.
I thought that was basically a "shout-out" to McNabb.
i agree...because he did it half heartedly...he wasnt doing it to celebrate his touchdown..he didnt run full speed and do it and then pump his fist or do anything after he slammed the ball...
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2006, 03:33:44 PM
I thought that was basically a "shout-out" to McNabb.
i agree...because he did it half heartedly...he wasnt doing it to celebrate his touchdown..he didnt run full speed and do it and then pump his fist or do anything after he slammed the ball...
He shouldn't have even done that. We closed the gap from 21 to 14. Give the ball to the ref and get the hell off the field.
Quote from: Father Demon on November 27, 2006, 03:28:33 PM
Football is much easier to take when you have no expectations. I imagine taterskins' fans have known this for years.
Not true. While the rest of the football world hasn't had any expectations for the Skins at any time over the last 6 years, taterskins fans have gone into every season expecting to win. That's the thing that makes them so easy to point and laugh at. They're like a little kid who finally finds out that Santa Claus isn't real but for reasons unknown, choses to believe in him again the following Christmas. And the year after that. And the year after that. Etc, etc.
i have no problem giving props to donny...im sure lj told him ahead of time if i score that will be for you...whats he not gonna do it because they are losing when he scored
trotter act was ridiculous tho
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 27, 2006, 03:26:09 PM
I actually chuckled when the Colts linebacker did the chop after stopping Westbrook or Buck (forget which).
that was the only celebration I could stand without wanting to punch someone
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 27, 2006, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on November 27, 2006, 03:28:33 PM
Football is much easier to take when you have no expectations. I imagine taterskins' fans have known this for years.
Not true. While the rest of the football world hasn't had any expectations for the Skins at any time over the last 6 years, taterskins fans have gone into every season expecting to win. That's the thing that makes them so easy to point and laugh at. They're like a little kid who finally finds out that Santa Claus isn't real but for reasons unknown, choses to believe in him again the following Christmas. And the year after that. And the year after that. Etc, etc.
This is very true. Yesterday was the start of their road to the playoffs. :-D
Not celebrate when we're getting our asses kicked by 14 and the defense hasn't even shown that they're interested in stopping the Colts? Yeah.
I'm not even so sure that was for Donovan. I mean, outside of Chicago in the 2002 playoffs... when does he even do that celebration? I could see if LJ busted out the moonwalk or something like that, but... whatever.
I didn't really care that much about it anyway... I was thinking more about the fact that we had avoided the shutout... I just thought it was dumb to do when we were getting blown out.
I'm not even so sure that was for Donovan
im not sure either...but it makes sense if you think about it
and like i said if he had run full speed over there and did a reverse jam and then some sort of dance id be like what an idiot...but watch it again...hes goes over real slow and kind just tosses over the crossbar...then almost looks sad when he lands and starts walking back to the sideline...imo it clearly wasnt an end zone celebration of any kind
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2006, 03:49:13 PM
and like i said if he had run full speed over there and did a reverse jam and then some sort of dance id be like what an idiot
:-D
LJ Smith with the reverse windmill dunk over the crossbar!! Judges?
9.5, 8.5, 9.0!
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 27, 2006, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2006, 03:49:13 PM
and like i said if he had run full speed over there and did a reverse jam and then some sort of dance id be like what an idiot
:-D
LJ Smith with the reverse windmill dunk over the crossbar!! Judges?
9.5, 8.5, 9.0!
It would probably be better than some of the recent slam dunk competitions in the NBA.
The all time worst dunk competition was that wheel they busted out and had the participants imitiate a famous dunk. Who the hell wants to see that?
But I digress...
I digress as well, but last year's contest was really entertaining up until Nate Robinson got a 50 for his final dunk that he tried like a thousand times and wasn't even impressive when he finally made it.
LJ is the most overrated TE in the NFL.
Darwin Walker saying he didn't play a bad game when the run defense gets mauled for 200 yards rushing(several games back), and the comment LJ made several weeks ago about most TEs not being good blockers, they just get in the defenders way.
Those two comments had and still have me pissed off. Those two numbnuts need to go.
Quote from: King Cole on November 25, 2006, 04:54:58 PM
Good, I hope he doesn't re-sign. I'm so tired of his bad hands and inconsistency. Maybe we can get a real TE in here. Isn't Eric Johnson a free agent after this season?
Still feel that way, idiot?
The Eagles better make a move to keep L.J. around for quite some time... or they'll have to can Reid and start with some Marty-ball shtein, because if Smith leaves, then Reggie Brown and Brian Westbrook are the only legitimate pass catchers in the offense. Hoo boy.
He won't get 6 years, $30M+ here...
just goes to show that the birds are so cheap, that the players have to resort to signing items for lousy $30/e, just to feed their families :'(
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEET-LJ-SMITH-IN-PERSON-AUTO-MAY-5TH-2007-EAGLES_W0QQitemZ220090773838QQcategoryZ2832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Meet Trotter for $50! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220090770459&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RUPX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=220090773838&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=UpSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget)
Woot!
what a ripoff! and they have Hank Baskett for $25 and Lito for $35 .. Think i will have to pass!
Hank should have to pay $25 to have people take his stuff.
Speaking of Hank I was watching a show on the NFL Network last night and his 89 yarder against the Falcons was rated the #9 play of the 2006 NFL season.
:yay
Quote from: dis12 on March 14, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
just goes to show that the birds are so cheap, that the players have to resort to signing items for lousy $30/e, just to feed their families :'(
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEET-LJ-SMITH-IN-PERSON-AUTO-MAY-5TH-2007-EAGLES_W0QQitemZ220090773838QQcategoryZ2832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If the person who organizes this event splits the proceeds 50/50, LJ will get $4500 to hang out for 2 hours of signing. NOt bad money pocket money to throw at strippers.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 14, 2007, 09:14:28 AM
Speaking of Hank I was watching a show on the NFL Network last night and his 89 yarder against the Falcons was rated the #9 play of the 2006 NFL season.
:yay
The 87(?) yarder against the Cowboys was better.
So... same question I raised on EMB...
assuming LJ is not going to be re-upped, is it time to draft his replacement this season?
Yes. Or at least they better draft Schobel's replacement if they're going to try to sell him as a starter.
LJs best catches were made by Fast Freddie!
Draft the TE from University of Delaware please.
QuotePositives: Has a thick frame with adequate muscle tone, smooth skin, good chest and arm thickness, good bubble, big shoulders and good upper body muscles with a frame that could carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk ... Compensates for a lack of speed with good balance and body control through his route progression ... Has good balance with the ball in his hands, running with a normal stride ... His body control, hand/eye coordination and large hands will generally see him catch most balls away from his frame ... His hands and size give quarterbacks a good short-area target, as he can bounce off defenders ... Knows how to use his size and reach to get a clean push off the jam and is too big for second-level defenders to attempt to try and reroute him ... Best when sitting down underneath ... Knows how to use his body to push and leverage defenders and while no explosion is evident, he does a good job of using his frame to shield the ball from defenders ... When he uses his body and squares his shoulders, Anderson is a load to bring down in isolated coverage ... Won't win any foot races, so he has to use his power base to break tackles ... Has good balance and body lean to gain valid yardage after the catch ... Too stiff to extend and reach for the ball at its high point, but does have the ability to look the ball in and catch away from the frame ... Does a good job of squaring his shoulders after the catch and has the functional flexibility (yet has stiff hips), to turn and run with the ball ... Might show some flinch working in a crowd, but he has no problems catching outside his frame ... Gets most of his separation by squaring his shoulders and generating the leg drive to break tackles.
Negatives: Methodical mover who lacks suddenness or good timed speed, but is effective getting a clean release and into his routes when working in the short area ... Despite his size, Patrick is more of a finesse type who will shy away from contact, especially when asked to block ... Has good strength, but seems to lack the desire to sustain and defenders can push him back into the pocket, making him a liability in pass protection ... Lacks the quick-twitch moves or second gear to get into his routes quickly ... Labors when running longer routes and is better served working in the short area over the middle than having him attack the second level ... Doesn't have the speed to separate or the loose hips to elude ... Has good hand/eye coordination, but seems to back off confrontations in a crowd ... Has the upper body strength to make reach blocks or neutralize linebackers at the second level, but lacks the lower body strength and hand placement to lock on and sustain when blocking along the line ... Gets too narrow in his stance and lacks good footwork in his kick slide.
Compares To: Mike Seidman-Carolina ... Patrick is a very inviting short-area target with natural hands and the size to shield the ball from defenders ... He lacks good technique and urgency as a blocker, and does not have the valid speed to be a vertical threat ... He is best when used on controlled or underneath routes, as he shows good ball security.
Who the hell is Mike Seidman? Barf.
its sad that a year away from it happening we are talking about how we already know that the eagles are gonna show one of their best players the door and that they should be looking to draft his replacement
is it just me or is there something disconcerting about that
From skimming through that, it looks like they're saying he's good at the underneath routes and has excellent hands. That's what they try and use LJ for in this offense, when they should be using his athleticism to stretch defenes and get behind the LB's/underneath the safety's. So if they're gonna keep running 4 yard turn arounds with the TE, might as well draft Patrick as LJ's replacement.
He can be coached up to block. Hell even LJ showed improvement in that as the year went on.
IGY-yeah I'm pissed about that too. LJ will probably be asking for a little more then he's worth, but at the same time, having him+Westbrook is an extremely lethal combination in the middle of the field. I'd like to see LJ Smith here for the rest of his career, but I don't know if they'll make it happen.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2007, 05:22:49 PM
is it just me or is there something disconcerting about that
Indeed, it is disconcerting.
I stopped reading at "adequate muscle tone, smooth skin, good chest and arm thickness..."
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2007, 05:22:49 PM
its sad that a year away from it happening we are talking about how we already know that the eagles are gonna show one of their best players the door and that they should be looking to draft his replacement
is it just me or is there something disconcerting about that
It's more disconcerting to me that L.J. Smith is one of the "better" players on the team.
He's the best receiving threat after Westbrook, but he's nothing more than an average receiver and mediocre blocker. Always has been. Improve the motherfarging WRs, get a gameplan that incorporates more passes to them and more runs instead of dumpoffs to the RB and TE.
Even as the #2 option, he finished with a slightly better year than Dallas Clark and slightly worse than Desmond Clark. OMG, he's a superbowl quality TE! :crazy
Hey what's up fellow Eagles fans?
I don't know: personally I like LJ a lot but if that's his attitude then so be it.
You never know: I remember Westbrook saying the same things and then he got a new deal so...
He's the best receiving threat after Westbrook, but he's nothing more than an average receiver and mediocre blocker. Always has been. Improve the motherfarging WRs, get a gameplan that incorporates more passes to them and more runs instead of dumpoffs to the RB and TE.
Even as the #2 option, he finished with a slightly better year than Dallas Clark and slightly worse than
you need to realize that unless the eagles change their offensive philosophy people arent going to get huge numbers in this offense...so continously quoting how many catches stallworth or lj had means nothing
even TO was only in the 70's here
in other words if you think lj does nothing for this offense wait until matt schobel is in there
IGY, TO's 70 catches were also after like 13.5 games. Give him the entire season and he's probably in the high 80's/low 90's. Of course, that's completely irrelevant now and I could really care less. Just wanted to point it out.
And I do agree with the fact that the Eagles do run a "spread it around offense" (I don't think anyone would disagree) and get damn near everyone on the offensive side of the ball involved in the game so it's highly unlikely that we will ever see a reciever put up #'s like TO did in 04. And I'm fine with that as long as the players that the Eagles are putting out on the field can actually make plays. And LJ Smith is a playmaker.
TO
2000 - 14 gm - 97 catch
2002 - 14 gm - 100 catch
2004 - 14 gm - 77 catch
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2007, 06:35:08 AMif you think lj does nothing for this offense ...
that is totally what he said.
like totally dood
but he's nothing more than an average receiver
in my world (the world where people actually watch games) average receivers do nothing for an offense
yeah, I never watch the games. that's totally what I said.
LJ is alright, but I won't be upset if he leaves. Average is a good way to describe his recieving abilities..maybe better than most TEs, but not in the top tier, and certainly not better than regular WRs, which is what he amounts to anyway because he can't block for shtein.
the eagles dont want their te's to block...the west coast offense is predicated on having a pass catching te...a guy that can not only stretch the field but who can find space and then yak it up...not one that stays in and blocks...its not as tho the eagles run enough to have a blocking te anyway...but as shown last year when they were forced to run after mcnabb went out they did it with no problem
lj's lack of blocking ability is such a forced and trite argument these days...its so 2004 and frankly it makes me sick
better than most TEs
end of debate
He's has WR abilties and a TE body, i dont want to lose LJ, they cant backfill his talent without getting an Olsen or other fast young TE. If blocking is a concern, just use a frigging jumbo package with MJG as a TE.
"maybe better than most TEs" is what I wrote, wannabe.
Gonzalez
Shockey
Heap
Gates
all way better than LJ, but suckas think he's worth that kind of respect. ridiculous.
Witten or LJ? Witten
Clark or LJ? Clark
Daniel Graham or LJ? now we're getting into the ranks of LJ Smith..dunno which I'd prefer
Jerramy Steven or LJ? LJ I guess, because Stevens is a head case
Dude is upper middle class as far as TEs go and that's not worth crying over if he splits
also there ain't a debate here...there's you looking to argue and me saying "meh" to your butt buddy LJ. I'm always happy to make you sick though.
L.J. is not elite, but he's perfect for what the Eagles like to do. That said, if they want to replace him with someone that's more blocking-oriented and continue to give McNabb WR's and RB's that can catch the ball, that's fine too.
Also, I think all the hatred for T.O. masks the fact that he was the most elite receiver ON THE FIELD to ever don an Eagles uniform... so comparing his numbers to others just isn't fair. McNabb knew he had to feed the ball to him to him to keep him happy, and he did just that.
Gonzalez
Shockey
Heap
Gates
all way better than LJ
i get it...lj isnt antonio gates so lets get rid of him and replace him with matt schobel or some 6th round pick from byu...that will make the offense better...good work
lol @ shockey being in the elite group...then again giant highlites are the closest you get to football so i cant hate on you for that
Gates is the only one on that list I'd trade L.J. for straight up. Heap is also superior when healthy, but the guy is listed as questionable nearly every week. He plays, but not at 100% very often.
Gonzalez - aging, fading, overpaid
Shockey - assclown, off-field nightmare, always has a nagging injury
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2007, 10:48:21 AMlj isnt antonio gates so lets get rid of him and replace him with matt schobel or some 6th round pick from byu...that will make the offense better...good work
that is exactly what I said too. you listen great and troll even better
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2007, 10:48:21 AM
lol @ shockey being in the elite group...
fair point, Shockey is a stretch for elite. he's still better than LJ.
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2007, 09:19:53 AM
the west coast offense is predicated on having a pass catching te...a guy that can not only stretch the field but who can find space and then yak it up...
Yards After....Kneel? Maybe that's what Chad was doing all those years.
Quote from: Cerevant on March 22, 2007, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2007, 09:19:53 AM
the west coast offense is predicated on having a pass catching te...a guy that can not only stretch the field but who can find space and then yak it up...
Yards After....Kneel? Maybe that's what Chad was doing all those years.
Of Chad's career receiving yardage, he got at least 5% rolling.
This should make LJ happy (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR)
QuoteThe Philadelphia Daily News reports that the Eagles will try to sign tight end L.J. Smith to a new contract between now and next February. If a deal can't be reached, the team could use the franchise tag on Smith. The '07 franchise number for a tight end is just $4.371 million.
Translation:
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles will make low ball contract offers to tight end L.J. Smith between now and next February. When Smith is done laughing at the Eagles offer, they are expected to place the franchise tag on him until midway through training camp when they give him his outright release following a 3 week hold out.
throw in there somewhere that the eagles will draft a TE with their first pick and we have a winner
I think it's a given that the Eagles will use their #1 pick next year to draft Kolb's replacement.
but what will his dad think
read his blog
Well, the Eagles have always had success with the franchise tag, so I'm excited now.
Go Sho-boat!
isnt chad lewis a 100% now?
Yeah, he and Pinkston have been practicing in Arizona with Mike McMahon
Link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)
QuotePOSTED 10:05 a.m. EDT, May 31, 2007
L.J. SMITH HAS HERNIA SURGERY
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced that tight end L.J. Smith has undergone surgery to repair a sports hernia.
The surgery was performed on Wednesday, and is described as successful. (Has any sports team ever declared after a procedure that the player "got butchered"?)
Smith won't be able to participate in upcoming OTA sessions from June 5 through 14, but he is expected to be available when training camp opens on July 30.
...and he waited this long in the off-season to have the surgery because??
a) he doesn't want to attend minicamps
b) he doesn't want to attend training camp
c) he doesn't want to be an Eagles after this season
d)________________________________
d) He has no penis.
D. Might not have been serious until recently?
E. He was intimidated by the fierceness of Brent Celek.
He didn't know he had it until now.
d. he doesnt wanna get hurt by rashad barksdale in any of the camps
d. Rutgers
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 31, 2007, 09:07:53 PM
d. he doesnt wanna get hurt by rashad barksdale in any of the camps
Ha.
I'm too lazy to go dig it up, but LJ had some interesting quotes in the papers today about his contract. He mentioned how bums like Shank-a-ho got paid big money for doing nothing.
Say goodbye to Littlejohn after 2007; say hello to Schoboat and Celek in 2008
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
I'm too lazy to go dig it up, but LJ had some interesting quotes in the papers today about his contract. He mentioned how bums like Shank-a-ho got paid big money for doing nothing.
Say goodbye to Littlejohn after 2007; say hello to Schoboat and Celek in 2008
This whole "change-one-part-of-a-name-to-sound-insulting" has gotten so stupid...I don't even know who the hell you are referring too there.
Rae Carruth? ???
:-D
Shiancoe, Visanthe...formerly of the New York Giants of the NFC. Now with the Minnesota Vikings of the NFC. $7M guaranteed US dollars for a TE who caught practically no footballs.
And yet we've got people like Chuggie, who catches balls on his chin all day long and get's paid absolutely nothing. What a crazy world we live in.
This whole "change-one-part-of-a-name-to-sound-insulting" has gotten so stupid...I don't even know who the hell you are referring too there.
now that his real name has been revealed i still dont know who it is
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
I'm too lazy to go dig it up, but LJ had some interesting quotes in the papers today about his contract. He mentioned how bums like Shank-a-ho got paid big money for doing nothing.
Say goodbye to Littlejohn after 2007; say hello to Schoboat and Celek in 2008
Here's the article... (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20070601_L_J__on_hernia__Truss_me__Ill_be_back.html)
QuoteSmith, who caught 50 passes for 611 yards and five touchdowns last season, noted that it has been an offseason in which even "very average tight ends got paid."
"I look at a guy like Visanthe Shiancoe from the Giants," Smith said. Shiancoe signed a reported 5-year, $18.2 million free-agent contract with the Vikings. "Even he got $7 million guaranteed. I think he's caught like 20 balls in 4 years [actually 35 balls]. The market's definitely changed."
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2007, 11:18:03 AM
This whole "change-one-part-of-a-name-to-sound-insulting" has gotten so stupid...I don't even know who the hell you are referring too there.
now that his real name has been revealed i still dont know who it is
That's becuase you don't actually like football. You just like to argue.
That's becuase you don't actually like football. You just like to argue.
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Quote.J. Smith hopes for big payday
Coming off surgery, tight end knows Eagles time may end
By GEOFF MOSHER, The News Journal
Posted Wednesday, August 1, 2007
Jeremy Bloom carries the ball Tuesday during Eagles training camp at Lehigh University. It was the first official day of full-squad workouts. (Buy photo)
The News Journal/SHANNON LEE ZIRKLE
BETHLEHEM, Pa. -- It had an uncomfortable feel about it, the red mesh jersey covering L.J. Smith's upper body.
Red is reserved for the Eagles players excused from taking hits in practice, usually quarterbacks.
Ducking contact never has been Smith's style.
"It felt kind of corny, man, it did," Smith said. "I think Coach [Andy Reid] was just trying to protect me for right now. So he knows that right now, it's all about timing, getting a rhythm, and I can do that without getting blown up."
Smith missed most of the minicamps after having surgery May 27 to repair a sports hernia. On Tuesday, the first official day of full-squad practice at Lehigh University, the tight end estimated himself to be 85 percent recovered, with some slight roadblocks.
"I felt kind of clumsy, but my feet didn't feel real good," he said, adding that it's nothing a couple weeks of two-a-days can't cure. "I don't know exactly how much I'm going to be doing, but it feels good to be out here."
Smith might not be fond of the red pinafore, but he could use an adjustment to wearing new colors. He might be wearing them sooner than he'd like.
About five months have passed since his agent, Brian Mackler, and Eagles management last discussed a contract extension for the fifth-year tight end.
At the moment, Smith can't say he's optimistic about his future with the Eagles. Much like the situation Michael Lewis faced last year, when the strong safety couldn't work out an extension in the final year of his contract, Smith is resigned to the fact that he'll probably walk the same path.
Except he won't necessarily follow in Lewis' footsteps. Unlike Lewis, who Smith said couldn't separate business from personal, Smith said he sees the bigger picture.
"I think he took it a little personal," Smith said. "Everybody handles things differently. Mike was my example of what not to do. I think if he would have had somebody in his position go through it that he was close to, he probably would have reacted a little differently."
Can this contract situation work itself out?
"Maybe. I'm not going to say yes or no but maybe, and hopefully, it'll work out for the better," Smith said. "Like I've said all the time, I want to be here, but it's a numbers game sometimes, and it's something I definitely understand.
"The way the league is now, guys are getting paid and guys are getting overpaid, so to speak. The market is changing every time someone gets a new deal, pretty much. Those are things I have to consider. Every guy just wants a fair market value. Like I said, and like Coach asked, I don't want to sit here and discuss everything, but that's all any guy wants, is fair market value."
Smith said he's "definitely top 10" among NFL tight ends, though he ranked 12th last year with 611 receiving yards. His NFC East counterparts -- the Giants' Jeremy Shockey, Washington's Chris Cooley and Dallas' Jason Witten -- each had more receptions and yards.
Still, Smith figures he'll command top dollar if he gets to free agency, which is why it's in his best interests to stay committed to playing hard every snap.
"It's different for everybody. You've got to handle the situation the best way you can," said middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, no stranger to contract disputes with the Eagles.
Trotter left the nest after the 2001 season for rival Washington.
After two disappointing seasons that led to his release, Trotter came back to Philadelphia.
"I think if each individual just tried their best to concentrate on football, ... there's a time to worry about that," he said. "You take care of that after the season, if that's the case."
For now, Smith considers the upcoming season a series of 16 auditions, but he won't put too much pressure on himself.
"I feel like every time I step on the practice field I have to prove myself, and that's what the league is about, proving yourself every practice and every Sunday, definitely more so on Sundays," he said. "But it feels good to go out there and audition. I mean, why not? I'm going to wind up where I'm supposed to."
Contact Geoff Mosher at gemosher@delawareonline.com.
SCHEDULE
TODAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2:45
THURSDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2:45
FRIDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2:45
SATURDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2
SUNDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2:45
MONDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2
TUESDAY: Workouts at 8:15 and 2:45
Autograph sessions
All autograph sessions are held following the morning practice. Numbered tickets will be handed out to fans as they enter training camp.
TODAY: Offensive line
THURSDAY: Quarterbacks, tight ends, specialists
FRIDAY: Defensive backs, running backs
SATURDAY: Wide receivers
SUNDAY: Offensive line
MONDAY: Defensive line, linebackers
I'd be curious to see (ahem...ED!!) who the FA TEs are for this upcoming off-season. We already know that position is getting huge money for small production now, but I am curious as to who the other guys out there are.
The TE position is important to this offense. So they better take it easy on him in camp and make sure he's ready to roll week 1. Because Schobel, Vickers and Kyle Hunt strike fear into exactly no one. Schobel is a good complimentary guy, but thats it.
I think Smith walks after the season and the Eagles draft a tight end early - either first or second round - next year.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2007, 10:43:11 AM
I think Smith walks after the season and the Eagles draft a tight end early - either first or second round - next year.
I don't. Since Reid was able to turn Chad Lewis into a pro-bowl TE, he probably thinks he can do the same with Schobel and Celek.
Shame there weren't any good tight end prospects around like Greg Olsen when we picked
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2007, 10:37:40 AM
I'd be curious to see (ahem...ED!!) who the FA TEs are for this upcoming off-season. We already know that position is getting huge money for small production now, but I am curious as to who the other guys out there are.
The TE position is important to this offense. So they better take it easy on him in camp and make sure he's ready to roll week 1. Because Schobel, Vickers and Kyle Hunt strike fear into exactly no one. Schobel is a good complimentary guy, but thats it.
Per KFFL:
TE - Dallas Clark - Colts
TE - Chris Cooley - taterskins
TE - Ben Troupe - Titans
I wouldn't mind Dallas Clark or Cooley, but once again, I think Reid will want to see what Schobel and Celek can do.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 01, 2007, 10:50:58 AM
Shame there weren't any good tight end prospects around like Greg Olsen when we picked
Ugh - don't remind me. I couldn't believe they didn't take him at 26. He was right farging there too.
Shame there weren't any good tight end prospects around like Greg Olsen when we picked
ha