Let's hope this thread doesn't go for more than a few pages. If he doesn't return this game...it's not good. No word yet on CBS yet other than knee injury... :'(
Just announced on CBS, will not return...
CBS just announced that he's officially out for the game. No other details are known.
does it matter anymore? This December = Last December
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2006, 03:22:17 PM
does it matter anymore?
After the way they folded in this game. No. Doesn't matter at all. All that matters is what changes (if any) come in the offseason because this insane clusterfarg needs to stop.
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Look at his knee. It looks disfigured. :-\
It matters a heck of a lot. If it is a bad knee injury he may not be ready for next season. That is all I care about right now.
This season I don't care anymore. Make major changes. But you know this smug arrogant ass organization will blame the season on McNabb's injury like last season and upgrade nothing.
I blame Andy Reid. A lot of things are his fault. This one might as well be too.
A couple things:
Rhea Hughes on WIP said something about McNabb going to the hospital for an MRI, if I heard correctly.
PFT.com says it is a knee sprain, but that could just be an assumption.
That knee injury does look pretty bad.
Can NBC change the Sunday Night game for next week?
We're done.
Quote from: Eaglez on November 19, 2006, 03:33:20 PM
That knee injury does look pretty bad.
Can NBC change the Sunday Night game for next week?
Don't think so. They need to give them 11 days notice. That's why they changed it so early before.
Is it possible that the receivers can't catch a Garcia pass like a good changeup on a hitter
I was wondering why the hell you guys were getting your asses kicked by the friggin' Titans and then I heard the announcement about McNabb.
I hope he's ok and they're just keeping him out for precautionary reasons.
Quote from: BlueHeart on November 19, 2006, 03:49:46 PM
I was wondering why the hell you guys were getting your asses kicked by the friggin' Titans and then I heard the announcement about McNabb.
I hope he's ok and they're just keeping him out for precautionary reasons.
Thanks for the kind wishes, Blue, but I'm afraid he might be done, just gauging from the look on his face and the fact that he couldn't get up even with help and needed the cart.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think that the Eagles' season now lies on the arm of Jeff Garcia.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 19, 2006, 03:25:54 PM
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Look at his knee. It looks disfigured. :-\
Is it possible to dislocate your knee without doing any serious structual damage to the ligiments/miniscus? If so, maybe he just did that and they have to pop it back in.
Thanks for the words, Blue. Looks like both are teams are falling to injury. Though ours is falling more to suckage as well.
I hear ya. We're so banged up I'm damn near ready to offer my services on defense.
And, quite frankly, that wouldn't be good for anyone.
Quote from: BlueHeart on November 19, 2006, 03:49:46 PM
I was wondering why the hell you guys were getting your asses kicked by the friggin' Titans and then I heard the announcement about McNabb.
I hope he's ok and they're just keeping him out for precautionary reasons.
Thanks, Blue... but McNabb wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before he got hurt. He also didn't miss any tackles on the 90 yd punt return by PacMan Jones or on the 70 yd TD run by Travis Henry.
I expect the Eagles to be hush about the whole thing, and when they do give out MRI results they'll just say inconclusive which means out for season.
They'll keep the fans sitting on their hands until next week probably.
Just put him on the IR...the season is over.
ACL Tear, DONE FOR THE YEAR
ACL tear... done for the year.
ACL tear will need to be repaired.
Forget about next season too then ouch.
Who is a free agent in 2008?
and thats that with that. seasons over.
Damn.
Turn out the lights. The party's over.
Reid: can take up to 8months to a year to repair
Lovely
Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2006, 04:37:33 PM
Just put him on the IR...the season is over.
Your wish is granted.
So does this mean Andy Reid gets another pass this year? :boom
I hope it's nothing serious. If it's something that will be slowing him down for the rest of the year(if he is cleared to play), I would sit him anyways as there is no use risking any further damage. The season is over unless it's just a bad bump, but if it is anymore then that, I'd sit him... at least until we play the taterskins... got to beat them. I hate those fargers.
On the brightside.... maybe we can get a high draft pick? :-\ to draft someone who can actually tackle? or a head coach.
Edit- never mind..... hes out.....
Again, next season is done too. Just great. What a total joke.
Every year it is someone, what key player gets hurt next year?
Quote from: Super5 on November 19, 2006, 04:45:46 PM
I hope it's nothing serious. If it's something that will be slowing him down for the rest of the year(if he is cleared to play), I would sit him anyways as there is no use risking any further damage. The season is over unless it's just a bad bump, but if it is anymore then that, I'd sit him... at least until we play the taterskins... got to beat them. I hate those fargers.
On the brightside.... maybe we can get a high draft pick? :-\ to draft someone who can actually tackle? or a head coach.
Edit- never mind..... hes out.....
hi... it's an ACL tear. he's done for the season. and so is the team.
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 19, 2006, 04:45:43 PM
So does this mean Andy Reid gets another pass this year? :boom
Doubt it. He'll get another year, but not another pass. This year and all the tank jobs are solely on him. McNabb was healthy prior to this game.
Quote from: BlueHeart on November 19, 2006, 03:49:46 PM
I was wondering why the hell you guys were getting your asses kicked by the friggin' Titans and then I heard the announcement about McNabb.
I hope he's ok and they're just keeping him out for precautionary reasons.
Thanks, Bluey. But they were looking nice and zesty even before that. :-\
Dropped passes + penalties + piss poor tackling + zesty play calling = 2006 Eagles
Quote from: TexasEagle on November 19, 2006, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 19, 2006, 04:45:43 PM
So does this mean Andy Reid gets another pass this year? :boom
Doubt it. He'll get another year, but not another pass. This year and all the tank jobs are solely on him. McNabb was healthy prior to this game.
I really, really hope so. I blame this all on him.
8-12 months. Ridiculous.
So, we need to seriously go out and get a QB this off-season. It has to be a priority, I would think.
Get Jeff George, oh hell that ain't even funny. :'(
Is Koy Detmer's phone ringing now?
Or Timmy Chang's?
Feeley signed a 2yr deal. He should finish this season and start next year until Donovan is ready to go.
Quote from: Eaglez on November 19, 2006, 04:54:25 PM
So, we need to seriously go out and get a QB this off-season. It has to be a priority, I would think.
GET SCHAUB!
oh man, this sucks
a lot
:'(
Bring back Koy! We need two Hoydas who can't throw on the roster!
McNabb has had a horrible stretch of years. It's a shame that he has all these horrible injuries all the time.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2006, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on November 19, 2006, 04:54:25 PM
So, we need to seriously go out and get a QB this off-season. It has to be a priority, I would think.
GET SCHAUB!
That would be great. But I don't know how you can tie so much money in two QBs. An ACL is a trick thing, you could have Carson Palmer or Culpepper.
Wow...reality is setting in...McNabb is done for a long time. It's pretty bad when you need to rely so much on one player. I mean if we had a coach that prepares his players, adjusts to diff teams and gametime situtations, and calls logical plays...any backup could have a chance. Is Andy Reid THAT bad of a playcalling coach? Or is he just a bad OVERALL coach? What is the deal? I mean...I'm starting to look to the sky for answers....I'm starting to believe in unicorns and curses. I don't know, I just don't know how this team gets farged over time and time again. farg
Palmer and Culpepper had the trifecta. They tore all three major ligaments. They said Donovan only did the ACL.
Do we need to consider drafting a QB early in the draft? I think we do. McNabb is the man but Feeley/Garcia aren't taking us anywhere.
What's sick is AJ Feeley will probably come in, win some games an dplay well, get all our hopes up...maybe sneak us in as the 6th seed, only to get destroyed by a real team.
God isn't taking us anywhere either...
This team has more problems than the play of the QB. Don't even think about the playoffs.
Yeah, but they are estimating 8-12 months. I mean he must have completely ripped it apart for him to see the field again in 8-12 months.
I'm just hoping that McNabb continues his rigorous work out schedule and gets back into playing condition by opening kickoff next year. That gives him 9 solid months assuming that they operate on him and repair it sometime this week.
Can McNabb rehab the knee in 9 months? Probably. But, rehab times are by no means certain. The Eagles need a legitimate backup who can be a starter in this league. They need someone who is like a 1-A type player.
McNabb is out for the year, it looks like Favre's streak is coming to an end. Crappy day in football.
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 19, 2006, 05:11:39 PM
Do we need to consider drafting a QB early in the draft? I think we do. McNabb is the man but Feeley/Garcia aren't taking us anywhere.
They have to get a young guy, yes. They were looking at guys this year. I know they were in love with Gradkowski and Clemens this past year. AJ has a 2yr deal and he will probably be the keeper of the position until 5 gets back. Garcia is done.
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 19, 2006, 05:11:39 PM
Do we need to consider drafting a QB early in the draft? I think we do. McNabb is the man but Feeley/Garcia aren't taking us anywhere.
Get Troy Smith?
Quote from: Northern Eagle on November 19, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Beef Rapp on November 19, 2006, 05:11:39 PM
Do we need to consider drafting a QB early in the draft? I think we do. McNabb is the man but Feeley/Garcia aren't taking us anywhere.
Get Troy Smith?
No.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2006, 05:14:03 PM
This team has more problems than the play of the QB. Don't even think about the playoffs.
I would agree, if not for the horrible play of all the NFC teams in contention for the playoffs.
Seriously, who won today besides the Bears?
I won. I didn't have to watch.
GET COLT BRENNEN!
Went to the UH game last night. Kid is truly amazing. He has some terrific receivers but he sure can deliver the ball. He threw some incredible passes last night.
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Oh and yes today was pathetic. Embarrassing - again.
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
What's sick is AJ Feeley will probably come in, win some games an dplay well, get all our hopes up...maybe sneak us in as the 6th seed, only to get destroyed by a real team.
5 wins, Munson.
That does not get you to the playoffs.
Jared Zabransky!! Boise St. in da HAUS!
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Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
What's sick is AJ Feeley will probably come in, win some games an dplay well, get all our hopes up...maybe sneak us in as the 6th seed, only to get destroyed by a real team.
Please kill yourself.
Eskin will have specific details on Sports Final tonight I'm sure, but all I care about right now is if he's ready for week 1 next season. He should be. Palmer tore all 3 and was ready in preseason and he got hurt in a playoff game. McNabb gets hurt in week 11 and only tore the ACL.
We don't even know if it was a complete rupture either.
Big difference -- This team does not have the same character as the 2002 team. Period.
This team is simply not the same without Ike Reese.
Quote from: Eaglez on November 19, 2006, 05:35:52 PM
Big difference -- This team does not have the same character as the 2002 team. Period.
Exactly. Thats what I was saying earlier. That '02 team took the challenge. Andy pulled in the reins on the playbook and ran it and the defense was able to win games.
This defense cannot do that. Andy will not run it and basically its going to get ugly. I hope we're all wrong, but I just can't see this team rising to the challenge. :-\
But then again it doesn't matter because we all know damn well one of McNabb, Westbrook, Kearse, Dawk will be out for the season next year. We lose one of our 5 best players every single season.
2002 - McNabb(came back but wasn't the same in the playoffs)
2003 - Westbrook(triceps)
2004 - TO
2005 - McNabb
2006 - McNabb, Kearse
2007 - ??
Sorry to hear about McNabb. I highly doubt it's gonna be 8-12 before he's healed, so, don't get yourselves all stressed out. (I know, I know, it's your way. LOL)
Reid's a schmuck if he plays out Garcia. I don't care what you're paying him or what his number on the depth chart is. Feeley is your only option at salvaging this season. The kid's proven his salt, IMHO.
Quote from: King Cole on November 19, 2006, 05:38:10 PM
But then again it doesn't matter because we all know damn well one of McNabb, Westbrook, Kearse, Dawk will be out for the season next year. We lose one of our 5 best players every single season.
2002 - McNabb(came back but wasn't the same in the playoffs)
2003 - Westbrook(triceps)
2004 - TO
2005 - McNabb
2006 - McNabb, Kearse
2007 - ??
Good thing Dawk isnt one of our best players anymore.
lol
Quote from: BlueHeart on November 19, 2006, 05:39:20 PM
Sorry to hear about McNabb. I highly doubt it's gonna be 8-12 before he's healed, so, don't get yourselves all stressed out. (I know, I know, it's your way. LOL)
Reid's a schmuck if he plays out Garcia. I don't care what you're paying him or what his number on the depth chart is. Feeley is your only option at salvaging this season. The kid's proven his salt, IMHO.
I don't think it'll be the 8-12 either. Especially since Palmer came back from tearing all three earlier and Kearse was walking around today too and his was pretty bad too.
We're cursed. :(
Injuries fargin' happen. Injuries to star players happen. Sometimes teams can deal with it. Sometimes they can't. Sometimes they're completely gutless and it doesn't matter anyway.
With or without McNabb this team wasn't making the playoffs, so his injury is significantly less infuriating than the fact that Andy Reid still has a job.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2006, 05:42:30 PM
Injuries fargin' happen. Injuries to star players happen. Sometimes teams can deal with it. Sometimes they can't. Sometimes they're completely gutless and it doesn't matter anyway.
That is what happens when so much of your team is predicated on 2 players. If McNabb or Westbrook go down the season is over. Why don't we have the depth? Cheapness has a lot to do with it. Always content with who they have and busts they are afraid to cut. It took them long enough to dump McMullen and it is a joke they still have McDougle on the roster. The defense line went to shtein when Kearse got hurt because Cole moved into the first team line and he was the only one anchoring the 2nd team line when he was on it.
Blame the management for that. We could have a quality backup behind Westbrook, we could have quality depth all over, but we don't. They dug their grave and now they can lay in it. I'm never happy when the Eagles suck, but they deserve every last bit of what happened to their smug arrogant asses this season. Their fault and their's alone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 19, 2006, 05:41:38 PM
We're cursed. :(
Pfft... you wanna see cursed? Look at the Giants injury reports for the last 5 years. LOL
Wait... That ain't funny...
No, I think 8-12 months if for a shmuck like you or me. Not athletes who have their bodies in excellent condition and train everyday for a living. With the way Donovan works out I think he has a real shot to be ready for the start of training camp, and if not I think he'll at least be with the team for two weeks prior to the season starting in game condition (late August '07).
We don't have to run around on a football field, plant, cut, and take hits though. It is going to be tough for McNabb to make it back 100%. Again, he needs to be 100%. Not 75%, not 85%. If he isn't 100% this team is going nowhere.
It is still a joke, I have no idea how he tore it, but freak things happen when you live in Philly I guess.
Quote from: King Cole on November 19, 2006, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2006, 05:42:30 PM
Injuries fargin' happen. Injuries to star players happen. Sometimes teams can deal with it. Sometimes they can't. Sometimes they're completely gutless and it doesn't matter anyway.
That is what happens when so much of your team is predicated on 2 players. If McNabb or Westbrook go down the season is over. Why don't we have the depth? Cheapness has a lot to do with it. Always content with who they have and busts they are afraid to cut. It took them long enough to dump McMullen and it is a joke they still have McDougle on the roster. The defense line went to shtein when Kearse got hurt because Cole moved into the first team line and he was the only one anchoring the 2nd team line when he was on it.
Blame the management for that. We could have a quality backup behind Westbrook, we could have quality depth all over, but we don't. They dug their grave and now they can lay in it. I'm never happy when the Eagles suck, but they deserve every last bit of what happened to their smug arrogant asses this season. Their fault and their's alone.
Retard. Why do I have to explain simple things to you, retard? Okay, listen up retard. Every team has one or two players that are irreplaceable. Some of those teams are able to go out and compete despite the loss of those players. Still with me, numbnuts? You see, dumbass, other players sometimes step up. Sometimes the coaches
adjust their gameplan to suit the players they have.
In short, stop breathing. You're a waste of life.
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Retard. Why do I have to explain simple things to you, retard? Okay, listen up retard. Every team has one or two players that are irreplaceable. Some of those teams are able to go out and compete despite the loss of those players. Still with me, numbnuts? You see, dumbass, other players sometimes step up. Sometimes the coaches adjust their gameplan to suit the players they have.
In short, stop breathing. You're a waste of life.
Then that wouldn't make them irreplaceable now would it? Pot kettle black.
The fact that you can't grasp how a team can lose players like that and still compete does not surprise me. Also, IGY, you suck at the internet.
You totally misunderstood what I was saying. Teams can lose players and compete, but this team can't. Like I said, we don't have the depth to do so. If a QB goes down then it is usually over for most teams, fine I understand that. But without McNabb we can't even be competitive, why? We don't have the defense to hold teams and give us a shot. We don't have any quality depth behind Westbrook either.
That is the fault of the personnel department.
Patriots - Tom Brady
Colts - Peyton Manning
Panthers - Steve Smith
Bears - Brian Urlacher
Saints - Drew Brees
Giants - Eli Manning
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
The other good teams like KC, SD, and DEN can afford to lose a couple of players because they dont have huge stars, and if they do they have good backups.
Quote from: Dillen37 on November 19, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Patriots - Tom Brady
Colts - Peyton Manning
Panthers - Steve Smith
Bears - Brian Urlacher
Saints - Drew Brees
Giants - Eli Manning
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
One of these things is not like the others....
Quote from: Billy Beane on November 19, 2006, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on November 19, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Patriots - Tom Brady
Colts - Peyton Manning
Panthers - Steve Smith
Bears - Brian Urlacher
Saints - Drew Brees
Giants - Eli Manning
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
One of these things is not like the others....
I didnt think so too, but imagine the Giants with Tim Hasselbeck at QB.
Exactly.
I'd take Casper back over Garcia. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, Jeffy was a good signing.
Being out for major time in 3 seasons of the last 5, can we officially call McNabb "injury prone"? And if so isn't it time to start expecting the Eagles to have a team capable of winning a few games here and there without him?
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 19, 2006, 06:40:15 PM
Being out for major time in 3 seasons of the last 5, can we officially call McNabb "injury prone"? And if so isn't it time to start expecting the Eagles to have a team capable of winning a few games here and there without him?
Yes. And yes.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 19, 2006, 06:40:15 PM
Being out for major time in 3 seasons of the last 5, can we officially call McNabb "injury prone"? And if so isn't it time to start expecting the Eagles to have a team capable of winning a few games here and there without him?
Injury prone? Absolutely not. Bad luck with injury situations maybe, but all his injuries except this have been the cause of something that would cause an injury.
Anyone is going to break their ankle if they get tackles like McNabb did against Arizona. Anyone is going to get their rib cartilage messed up if he gets smashed like he did against Carolina. Anyone who overlifts when weight training is subjecting themselves to sports hernia type injuries.
Injury prone would suggest that injuries happen to that player as to where they wouldn't happen to most.
I wouldn't necessarily call McNabb "injury prone", because my definition of that is when someone repeatedly hurts the same area, like John Abraham and his groin. McNabb is fragile, it seems.
Oh christ. The 'bad luck' argument. King Cole and Munson must spend a lot of time together.
Look, it's very simple. If you get injured every year, you are injury prone.
The end.
I always considered someone injury prone when they often get hurt in ways that most people wouldn't. Look at Buckhalter. Tears his knee on a routine tackle in a mini-camp. Bumps his knee on a helmet in TC last season and retears a knee ligament. Stuff like that.
All of McNabb's injuries have come in situations where it is typical of what happened. I don't know about today because all the angles were poor. I didn't see if his knee twisted or bent. But if you get your leg twisted under you, if you get crushed in the chest and if you lift too much weight in the offseason, then you are going to get hurt. It doesn't matter how injury prone you are.
He's pretty much injury prone at this point. We need our Neil O'Donnell (backup in Tennessee when McNair was always injured) now. And his name is not Jeff Garcia. Or AJ Feely.
So RJS, pretty much every player in the NFL is injury prone then?
Seriously, have you EVER played football?
I wonder what the hell some of you expect out of the human body sometimes...
Quote from: rjs246 on November 19, 2006, 07:24:45 PM
Oh christ. The 'bad luck' argument. King Cole and Munson must spend a lot of time together.
Look, it's very simple. If you get injured every year, you are injury prone.
The end.
Yup
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 07:27:27 PM
So RJS, pretty much every player in the NFL is injury prone then?
Seriously, have you EVER played football?
I wonder what the hell some of you expect out of the human body sometimes...
I'm not kidding. Please kill yourself.
You don't know what injury prone means then.
It has nothing to do with the frequency you get injured, but rather your makeup in whether you are more susceptible to injuries. Some people have bad luck with injuries, it doesn't make them injury prone.
For example if someone breaks their foot 3 times in a year, and a car runs over your foot, you drop a bowling ball on it and you get in a car accident and break it, then you aren't injury prone, you just have bad luck. McNabb has had bad luck.
McNabb = snake bitten
Buckhalter = injury prone
Notice the difference.
You guys are too stupid to live.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 19, 2006, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 07:27:27 PM
So RJS, pretty much every player in the NFL is injury prone then?
Seriously, have you EVER played football?
I wonder what the hell some of you expect out of the human body sometimes...
I'm not kidding. Please kill yourself.
I'm not kidding. 90% of the NFL is injured every year. THEY'RE ALL INJURY PRONE! :-D
you really are as dumb as a box of rocks. i mean, at this point, it's really sad.
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 19, 2006, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 07:27:27 PM
So RJS, pretty much every player in the NFL is injury prone then?
Seriously, have you EVER played football?
I wonder what the hell some of you expect out of the human body sometimes...
I'm not kidding. Please kill yourself.
I'm not kidding. 90% of the NFL is injured every year. THEY'RE ALL INJURY PRONE! :-D
I guess for some people the concept of getting hurt in a hard contact sport is too difficult to understand. You get hurt in the NFL because of the physical nature of the sport. So you use injury prone as a dividing line from the players who get hurt just playing the game and the players who get hurt in ways where most players wouldn't normally get hurt.
Quote from: SunMo on November 19, 2006, 07:36:18 PM
you really are as dumb as a box of rocks. i mean, at this point, it's really sad.
Because 90% of the NFL is injured at some point every year?
I'm going to email Brain Dawkins and have him run over to your place, and tackle you and have your leg bend over in an awkward posistion, and we'll see how healthy you come out of it. Sound good?
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 07:45:31 PM
I'm going to email Brain Dawkins and have him run over to your place, and tackle you and have your leg bend over in an awkward posistion, and we'll see how healthy you come out of it. Sound good?
sounds great....
then when he's done, i'll ask him to email you back and explain the difference between hurt and injured.
Now if you want to talk about the fact that he has had three MAJOR injures, then yeah, that's a problem....but he is probably one of the hardest workers in the NFL, and has his body ready for the beating as well as any other guy. Even a guy like TO works really hard ot keep his body from getting injured. But football is a contact sport, and you're going to get beat up over 17 week regular seasons, along with 2 months of training camp.
If we're going to drop back and pass the ball 40+ times agame, we're going to get McNabb hit a lot more then a QB needs to be hit. When that happens, he's going to get hurt. I wish we had Peyton Manning's offensive line....
I'll settle this argument real quick. Show me another QB in this league who's been injured as much as McNabb has. For as many rules as they put in to protect the QB you have to be 'injury prone' to miss that much time. He's as injury prone as there is. Case closed.
Like I said....for a QB who has broken his leg and been beaten up....You'd think it'd be time to stop dropping him back 40+ times a game and letting teams take hits at him. I'm also willing to bet that guys like P. Manning in the Eagles offense would be hurt and miss games too. Any pocket passer would be screwed in this offense really. The line is good, but not good enough to keep the QB from getting hit on the 40+ times he drops back a game. Matt Hasselback got hit a lot this year...look what happened to him.
I'm going to say what I've been saying all freakin year, back through pre-season. RUN THE fargING BALL.
And if you want someone who is an injury waiting to happen and is probably going to miss more games at QB then McNabb ever will...I'll go with Mike Vick.
He is definately injury prone. They really need to address the QB situation in the offseason, I am not sure what they should do whether they need to draft a young guy or get a veteran.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 19, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
I'll settle this argument real quick. Show me another QB in this league who's been injured as much as McNabb has. For as many rules as they put in to protect the QB you have to be 'injury prone' to miss that much time. He's as injury prone as there is. Case closed.
Rex Grossman has been injured more than McNabb in half the time. Leftwich has missed 11 games in the last 3 years. Pennington had missed 22 games in the 3 years before this one.
Point taken though.
if your gonna sit here and even argue that McNabb isnt injury prone shows your lack of knowledge of football. The broken ankle I understand, but plenty of QB's take big hits and dont break a rib or get a hernia or whatever else has happened to McNabb.
...but when your run to the outside and tear an ACL without getting hit...ummm...yeah your pretty injury prone. This thread is a waste of 6 pages to argue.
You can't say that he's missed a lot of time with minor injuries. He's managed to tear himself up pretty well each time.
He's definitely seems to be injured a lot in the last few seasons. Call it injury prone, call it luck, I don't care. Bottom line is that the Eagles are less than mediocre without him.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 19, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
Bottom line is that the Eagles are less than mediocre without him.
Exactly. All everyone is doing here is just trying to label a player. It doesnt matter. The only argument you can do is "if he's injury prone, they need to have an insurance policy." Unless the Eagles are going to sign a starting caliber QB or draft a 1st - 2nd round QB, it's useless to talk about, because we all know that won't happen.
almost every team is less than mediocre without thier star QB
newsflash: mcnabb was pretty pedestrian anyway...did you see him play the last month including todays game before he got hurt
they werent going anywhere with him and they arent going anywhere without him
Get Doug Pederson!
aside from the disgusting defense....yeah, he had the best QB rating in the league last month...your point?
This team is simply not the same without Ike Reese.
its not the same without ray rhodes defenders
andy lived off that shtein for three years...last couple years hes actually had to put forth an effort to build his own team....we are now seeing the results
This injury will be a true test what kind of coach Andy Reid is. I already made up my mind about him. I just hope the organization doesn't blame this injury on the downfall of the Eagles this season and last. Will Reid continue to throw the ball 75% plus the rest of the year despite having 2 backups who are not even half the player McNabb is? Will they adjust and try a different approach, like maybe trying to outwit your opponents. This is a great opportunity for the running backs and o-line to show what they have, that is if they adjust to the players they have now at QB. Any idiot would take their chances on Westbrook, Buck, Mahe, Moats and the o-line than Garcia or Feeley and the o-line and 75% pass playcalling. We'll all see. Well really, I could care less, because I don't think Reid has a clue, not a god damn clue. >:(
Quote from: King Cole on November 19, 2006, 07:19:38 PM
but all his injuries except this have been the cause of something that would cause an injury.
that is the dumbest thing i have ever read.
Quote from: mussa on November 19, 2006, 09:09:26 PM
This injury will be a true test what kind of coach Andy Reid is.
and we pray
I have enough faith to think that Reid will run the ball, and it will turn into a 3-headed monster type thing. I also know that this team isn't nearly good enough to win with Westbrook alone on offense. Feeley might be able to get the ball to the other playmakers like Stallworth, but it won't be enough. The defense isn't good enough to keep the offense in games to let a back-up QB "manage" the games.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2006, 08:48:45 PM
This team is simply not the same without Ike Reese.
its not the same without ray rhodes defenders
andy lived off that shtein for three years...last couple years hes actually had to put forth an effort to build his own team....we are now seeing the results
What? Look at the defense that took them to the Super Bowl it was mostly AR players.
The offense took them to the Superbowl that year. The defense in 04 was better than it was now, but still, it was all about the offense that year. The defense got exposed in the Superbowl and has been garbage since.
All I know is that Frank Gore ran for 212 yards against Ray Rhodes' defense today.
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 09:19:12 PM
I have enough faith to think that Reid will run the ball, and it will turn into a 3-headed monster type thing.
Ha! Somebody's not been paying attention if you've got any "faith" in Reid to run anything. By now... if you expect Andy to budge at all on the run/pass ratio... then I don't know what to tell you.
Also... to run a 3 headed monster effectively... you've got to have the personell to do it... which we don't.
Westbrook = Westbrook
Buckhalter 2003 >>> Buckhalher 2006
Duce Staley >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Moats
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2006, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 19, 2006, 09:19:12 PM
I have enough faith to think that Reid will run the ball, and it will turn into a 3-headed monster type thing.
Ha! Somebody's not been paying attention if you've got any "faith" in Reid to run anything. By now... if you expect Andy to budge at all on the run/pass ratio... then I don't know what to tell you.
Also... to run a 3 headed monster effectively... you've got to have the personell to do it... which we don't.
Westbrook = Westbrook
Buckhalter 2003 >>> Buckhalher 2006
Duce Staley >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Moats
It's not so much faith in Reid as it is in the fact that he's going to have to run the ball now. He has no effective QB (Feeley may be servicable at best), and he knows that the city and the media will ahve his head if he doesn't run the ball now, without McNabb. I know it's hard to beleive, but this is the same guy who ran it in 2003 just becausue McNabb was off to a slow start with the thumb injury. If he ran more with an ineffective McNabb, I think his hand will be forced and he'll have to run with no McNabb at all.
It will be thier only chance to win any game for the rest of the season.
Or, at the very least, we're going to go back to the dink 'n dunk offense with Garcia at the helm, which is about as effective as a 3 yard running play anyway. Just ask the taterskins. Ugh.
As for the personell....The offensive line is a lot more beefy now then it was then....and just having Jackson instead of Fraley and Andrews instead of Mayberry makes it that much better.
Westy/Buck have been getting it done when given the very little oppertunities they've been given...now it's time to bring Moats into the mix and see what he's got. If he's no good, lets make sure we give him the oppertunities to prove it this year so we can cut him and find someone else next year.
Just stop dude. I mean, jesus christ.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 19, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
Just stop dude. I mean, jesus christ.
Stop hating Andy Reid?
Okay. I'm a little suprised this is coming from you though.
Eskin:
From people he's talked to and things he'd heard from people about this injury, McNabb probably will miss games next season too, but only in September.
Way too early to speculate about that. It's certainly possible, but the impact on next season is just guesswork this early on.
Blow up the whole thing. From Reid to McNabb to Westbrook it's time to start over. :boom
I'm wonder who is net. Kearse was a given to wear down. McNabb you had to figure. Westbrook is next. Maybe Stallworth for good. They are all bitches. I hate football.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 19, 2006, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2006, 08:48:45 PM
This team is simply not the same without Ike Reese.
its not the same without ray rhodes defenders
andy lived off that shtein for three years...last couple years hes actually had to put forth an effort to build his own team....we are now seeing the results
What? Look at the defense that took them to the Super Bowl it was mostly AR players.
Yeah, I forgot how that '98 team really tore shtein up on the defensive side on the ball. :-D
I think the Eagles should bring back neckbeard and let him run wild. At least provide some comic relief if we are going to suck badly for the final 6 games.
I'd like to see a better angle on the play were he got injured. Only one angle was shown and you could'nt see shtein. The only pic shows a knee thats swelled up pretty bad.
It did'nt look like he went down hard at all. What the farg happened!?!?!
and he knows that the city and the media will ahve his head if he doesn't run the ball now
haha....you act like he cares what the city thinks
and even if youre right and hes now forced to run the ball who cares?...we want him to choose to run the ball more because thats how you win in the nfl...not because he doesnt have a qb that can throw it
Quote from: shorebird on November 20, 2006, 05:44:55 AM
I'd like to see a better angle on the play were he got injured. Only one angle was shown and you could'nt see shtein. The only pic shows a knee thats swelled up pretty bad.
It did'nt look like he went down hard at all. What the farg happened!?!?!
Looks like one of those non-contact injuries - I think he was hurt before he was bumped out of bounds: it looks like he was already pulling up when he got hit. One of those plant-pop type knee injuries that Buck has mastered.
Anyone ever wonder how McNabb feels about Reid?
no..u shouldnt either
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 20, 2006, 06:09:52 AM
and he knows that the city and the media will ahve his head if he doesn't run the ball now
haha....you act like he cares what the city thinks
and even if youre right and hes now forced to run the ball who cares?...we want him to choose to run the ball more because thats how you win in the nfl...not because he doesnt have a qb that can throw it
Dude...I'm just excited that we'll be running the ball.
so u think that when the Eagles are down points all game, they are just going to run to appease you. there will be no change in the gameplan...stop yourself immediately
Quote from: Munson on November 20, 2006, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 20, 2006, 06:09:52 AM
and he knows that the city and the media will ahve his head if he doesn't run the ball now
haha....you act like he cares what the city thinks
and even if youre right and hes now forced to run the ball who cares?...we want him to choose to run the ball more because thats how you win in the nfl...not because he doesnt have a qb that can throw it
Dude...I'm just excited that we'll be running the ball.
Don't press your luck bud. Reid didn't change his playcalling last year when McNabb went down. He mentioned so many times he's going to balance the offense out before this season, and has yet to do that. I am going to go ahead and say Andy Reid's playcalling has led to McNabbs past two injuries. When you pass that often, your QB is going to take hits, especially when the Defense knows this. Thank Reid for this.
Quote from: mussa on November 20, 2006, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 20, 2006, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 20, 2006, 06:09:52 AM
and he knows that the city and the media will ahve his head if he doesn't run the ball now
haha....you act like he cares what the city thinks
and even if youre right and hes now forced to run the ball who cares?...we want him to choose to run the ball more because thats how you win in the nfl...not because he doesnt have a qb that can throw it
Dude...I'm just excited that we'll be running the ball.
Don't press your luck bud. Reid didn't change his playcalling even last year when McNabb went down. I am going to go ahead and say Andy Reid's playcalling has led to McNabbs past two injuries. When you pass that often, your QB is going to take hits, especially when the Defense knows this. Thank Reid for this.
That was exactly why I asked if anyone ever wonders how he feels.
christ, enough with Mcnabbs inner most feelings about his coach.
he had the best qb rating in the league last month attributed to your boy...he wanted to stroke Reids man.. does that answer your question?
Quote from: reese125 on November 20, 2006, 06:57:24 PM
so u think that when the Eagles are down points all game, they are just going to run to appease you. there will be no change in the gameplan...stop yourself immediately
Its not that douche. The run opens up so many diff oppourtunities. It helps take pressure off the QB, it leads to clock management, it leads to our defense being fresh and not winded and on the field 70% of the game. Yes, in certain situations you need to throw, but your not fooling any retard if your asking your QB to throw 50 passes a game. How effective can it be when you got QB's who havn't taken a snap since training camp? How effective can it be when our receivers lead the league in drops? The list goes on and on, the point is if Reid doesn't adjust to what we have at QB right now and uses this damn injury as a crutch, he needs to go and go quick, preferably with a foot up his ass
Quote from: mussa on November 20, 2006, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 20, 2006, 06:57:24 PM
so u think that when the Eagles are down points all game, they are just going to run to appease you. there will be no change in the gameplan...stop yourself immediately
Its not that douche. The run opens up so many diff oppourtunities. It helps take pressure off the QB, it leads to clock management, it leads to our defense being fresh and not winded and on the field 70% of the game. Yes, in certain situations you need to throw, but your not fooling any retard if your asking your QB to throw 50 passes a game. How effective can it be when you got QB's who havn't taken a snap since training camp? How effective can it be when our receivers lead the league in drops? The list goes on and on, the point is if Reid doesn't adjust to what we have at QB right now and uses this damn injury as a crutch, he needs to go and go quick, preferably with a foot up his ass
Exactly. Either we'll run the ball more, or Reid will have to go. It's a win/win.
Quote from: Munson on November 20, 2006, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: mussa on November 20, 2006, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 20, 2006, 06:57:24 PM
so u think that when the Eagles are down points all game, they are just going to run to appease you. there will be no change in the gameplan...stop yourself immediately
Its not that douche. The run opens up so many diff oppourtunities. It helps take pressure off the QB, it leads to clock management, it leads to our defense being fresh and not winded and on the field 70% of the game. Yes, in certain situations you need to throw, but your not fooling any retard if your asking your QB to throw 50 passes a game. How effective can it be when you got QB's who havn't taken a snap since training camp? How effective can it be when our receivers lead the league in drops? The list goes on and on, the point is if Reid doesn't adjust to what we have at QB right now and uses this damn injury as a crutch, he needs to go and go quick, preferably with a foot up his ass
Exactly. Either we'll run the ball more, or Reid will have to go. It's a win/win.
I'd like to see more of the guy in your avatar. He's been the invisible man this year.
Mussa, I dont know who the f your calling a douche, but by the time your supposed football IQ gets to my football IQ, you'll be the 40 yr old virgin, still sitting in your video game rocker chair, with PS2 headphones, sharing secret codes with your vidiot friends over in Europe nerd
your attempt at belittling me made you look dumb as usual.
QuoteI'd like to see more of the guy in your avatar. He's been the invisible man this year.
it's because he's as dumb as a box of dumb...actually the avatar suits the poster perfectly
Is he really that dumb? I remember seeing his draft profile on Comcast and he taught himself to play guitar. That should equate well to the football field.
just read one of his blogs on EMB...
"2day I wock up and put on sum pantz. I go to practis n play futball"
Quote from: reese125 on November 20, 2006, 07:20:41 PM
Mussa, I dont know who the f your calling a douche, but by the time your supposed football IQ gets to my football IQ, you'll be the 40 yr old virgin, still sitting in your video game rocker chair, with PS2 headphones, sharing secret codes with your vidiot friends over in Europe nerd
your attempt at belittling me made you look dumb as usual.
Aww did I hurt your feelings calling you a douche? Painting a picture of me being a video game geek isn't giving you football "IQ" points bro. Back on topic, are you argueing the fact that running the ball opens up opportunities, or are you just going to act like an asshat as usual. Stick to football, since thats your specialty, apparently.
Quote"He accepts that injuries are part of the game. He is disappointed I know," Burkholder said. "The last thing I said to him last night when he was leaving was, 'we'll get you right,' and he said, 'we've got to get these guys right.'
Interesting.
Who is he referring to? The coaches? The other players? His testicles? TELL ME!!
Ha... I can't believe Burkholder let that one out of the bag.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 08:43:08 PM
Quote"He accepts that injuries are part of the game. He is disappointed I know," Burkholder said. "The last thing I said to him last night when he was leaving was, 'we'll get you right,' and he said, 'we've got to get these guys right.'
Interesting.
Well, knowing the fans, they'll say that McNabb is pinning the lack of performance on the others & deflecting it from himself.
He is most likely saying that he doesn't want to see everyone give up & keep fighting.
Quote from: Beermonkey on November 20, 2006, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 08:43:08 PM
Quote"He accepts that injuries are part of the game. He is disappointed I know," Burkholder said. "The last thing I said to him last night when he was leaving was, 'we'll get you right,' and he said, 'we've got to get these guys right.'
Interesting.
Well, knowing the fans, they'll say that McNabb is pinning the lack of performance on the others & deflecting it from himself.
He is most likely saying that he doesn't want to see everyone give up & keep fighting.
Probably right. And the McNabb haters will overlook this as a sign that he is indeed a leader of the team. I took it as him saying "these iceholes suck, they need to get better".
I wish this team had some heart and took this as a challenge like they did in 2002. But the defense would be the ones who have to step it up like in '02 and I don't see this group of slackers doing that. :-\
Quote from: Beermonkey on November 20, 2006, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 08:43:08 PM
Quote"He accepts that injuries are part of the game. He is disappointed I know," Burkholder said. "The last thing I said to him last night when he was leaving was, 'we'll get you right,' and he said, 'we've got to get these guys right.'
Interesting.
Well, knowing the fans, they'll say that McNabb is pinning the lack of performance on the others & deflecting it from himself.
It sounded to me like McNabb was feeling sorry for himself. Understandable considering he just ripped his knee to shreds.
Burkholder relaying comments like that to the media is more surprising, IMO.
I wish this team had some heart and took this as a challenge like they did in 2002. But the defense would be the ones who have to step it up like in '02 and I don't see this group of slackers doing that.
the big difference is that that wasnt andy reids defense
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Probably right. And the McNabb haters will overlook this as a sign that he is indeed a leader of the team.
I don't even know what you're trying to say there but it sounds completely ridiculous. So I'll just assume that it is.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 20, 2006, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Probably right. And the McNabb haters will overlook this as a sign that he is indeed a leader of the team.
I don't even know what you're trying to say there but it sounds completely ridiculous. So I'll just assume that it is.
What I am trying to say is that everyone likes to point out how McNabb is not a leader and doesn't care but this shows that is not the case.
I don't see for one second how it shows that. It might be the most ambiguous quote I've ever seen. It could mean that or the complete opposite. You're grasping.
What I am trying to say is that McNabb is not a leader and doesn't care about losing
we finally agree on something
You have no control over whether you yourself are a leader or not. That is decided by your teammates. If they follow McNabb through thick and thin then he is a leader. If they don't trust him to lead the team then he isn't a leader.
There are different ways to be portrayed as a leader and grabbing people by the facemask when they mess up has NOTHING to do with it. You are who you are and if people follow you then you are a leader, regardless of your demeanor.
Leader or not, the Eagles need desperately to draft a quarterback in the draft. There is no guarantee that McNabb comes back from this. He probably won't be ready for the start of the season next year.
why is it that carson Palmer tore 3 ligaments in his knee and he came back on time, now Donovan might not be ready till november?
i heard 8 months to a year
so if he has the surgery in mid december eight months puts him at mid august
palmer came back in almost exactly eight months...january to september
i guess they are figuring thats a rare case and in most cases is closer to twelve than eight and that where they are coming with mcnabb missing some of next season
They probably will know more about how serious it is once they actually get in there to do the surgery. If you remember, Kearse was to believed to have basically destroyed his knee every which way possible until they got in there.
Let's put it this way - no matter what, the team needs to be prepared either way for 2007.
on Monday Night Countdown, Mort said that he has heard that this is more in the 8 month range than the 12 month range.
and enough with the "end of McNabb era" talk. Jack McCafferty's article yesterday was one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
i didnt read his piece but if someone is saying hes never gonna play for the eagles (or at all) again because of the injury then thats retarded...but if hes saying that the mcnabb era is over in terms of him ever being able to win a superbowl under this regime then thats valid....the guy cant stay healthy and even when he is makes some of the dumbest worst throws youll ever see and always has...now you have a bad knee injury that could seriously limit his mobility which is a must have in an offense that passes the ball so much...
its clear he cant and wont win a superbowl in this system...however were they to get another coach in here with a different philosophy id have some hope...but thats not gonna happen and because of that you can def make the argument that mcnabbs era is essentially finished
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17489050&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2006, 08:47:28 AM
...however were they to get another coach in here with a different philosophy id have some hope...but thats not gonna happen and because of that you can def make the argument that mcnabbs era is essentially finished
Don't hold your breath -
1) Lurie thinks Bill Walsh is god, and has only ever wanted a West Coast offense. WTF were they thinking when they drafted an option QB?
2) Now that Bill Cowher has won a SB, the Eagles FO will think that you have to stick with one coaching staff for the long haul to have success.
3) How long is that season tix waiting list? The Eagles of today are the Flyers of the early 90's - The FO will not make a change until the revenues start dropping.
4) While his numbers are slipping, AR is still one of the winningest coaches in the NFL.
All that aside, given the talent pool available, who would you bring in to coach this team?
Bring in Ron Rivera to coach the team.
I want a defensive coach. I hate this pussified team Reid has built.
fisher
gruden
tressel
russ grimm
donnie henderson
hell make a run at cowher....theres been talk of him leaving...unlikely that hed come to philly but offer him a crazy amount of money and see whats up
This team could use a spoiled brat like Gruden, because they could relate to him.
I hate OSU and I doubt they could even pry Tressel away, but he's a great coach.
rivera would be a nice choice as well...totally forgot about him
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17489050&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6
i cant find to much i disagree with in there...its pretty much on point
no way...the guy is 30, it's not like he's 37 and got this injury, he has some good years yet
That article is depressing. Leave it to Andy farg up a good thing. :boo
he has some good years yet
he might he might not....if his mobility is gone then you have to question if he can be a 40 attempt a game passer and still stay healthy....in fact you have to question whether he can stay healthy period
i also dont think that mcaffrey was saying he is done as player nor do i think he said he couldnt have a 'good' year or two left...but the era where he is what you build around and ask to carry your team and win for you is over...the guy isnt capable of having a year where HE wins the superbowl for you...and in an offense that soley relies on the qb to literally pass your team to a championship thats exactly what you need
Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 21, 2006, 09:02:17 AM
I hate this pussified team Reid has built.
Quote of the Reid era right there.
I will always be a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles but I hate what this team has become. I grew up watching the Vermeil/Ryan teams that were smash mouth, blue collar, kick you in the balls type of teams. Now I have to watch these pansies that call themselves football players get spanked week in and week out. This current Eagles team is pathetically soft on both sides of the ball and its really pissing me off.
I hate the version of the WCO that Reid is running.
I hate the small and "quick" (I refuse to call it fast, because its not) defense.
I hate that this team has no heart.
I hate having to root for the Eagles to lose to hopefully get some type of change.
But most of all, I hate the reality that the 5 year run we had (2000-04 seasons) is over, and its probably time to rebuild or at least significantly retool.
Let's build our offense around Buckhalter.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 21, 2006, 09:27:42 AM
Let's build our offense around Buckhalter.
I thought we were building around Feeley?
Feeley/Buckhalter/Stonehands Reggie = TRIPLETS!!
I will always be a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles but I hate what this team has become. I grew up watching the Vermeil/Ryan teams that were smash mouth, blue collar, kick you in the balls type of teams. Now I have to watch these pansies that call themselves football players get spanked week in and week out. This current Eagles team is pathetically soft on both sides of the ball and its really pissing me off.
I hate the version of the WCO that Reid is running.
I hate the small and "quick" (I refuse to call it fast, because its not) defense.
I hate that this team has no heart.
ive been saying this for four years...reid has a flawed mentality when it comes to acquiring players....a mentality that causes him to try to make nfl players out of people like mark simenou matt mccoy and dhani jones....ive never seen a team built so soft on both sides of the ball...its disgusting
The second he said Feeley should be our next franchise QB is when I stopped reading.
Unfortunately, he said that at the end of the article, so I was forced to read the whole damn thing.
Eckel has a "fire Reid and get rid of McNabb" column too (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1164085651294480.xml&coll=5)
Get rid of Reid
Release McNabb
Sign Gruden
Trade a 2nd-rd pick and any player except Westbrook in exchange for Matt Schaub
Eckel must have been rubbing his shtein raw since Sunday. This is his type of situation...the losses start coming and Eckel is right there to pick at the carcass like a buzzard. He's an idiot.
I hate sports.
Actually there's a lot of sensible stuff in that article.
Damn.
I hate to say this but I tend to agree with him on that. It really pains me to say it because Donovan is one of my all-time favorite Eagles, but at this point how can he really be counted on. He has had any injury every year since the TB loss, other than their SB season. I have always been a Gruden fan and would love to see him on the Philly sidelines, I know it is not going to happen, but one can dream. In reality we have at least one more year of Reid and his BS.
Getting rid of McNabb would be incredibly stupid. I mean it'd be historically stupid.
1. The guy still throws well. He's no Mike Vick who cannot stand in the pocket and throw. McNabb made himself a good pocket passer.
2. Pennington and Brees have blown their arms up and have rebounded well. Not to mention Palmer had a way more serious knee injury and is back playing well. So why in the heck would you want to give up on McNabb when his arm is still fine? It's not like ACL injuries are career threatening. They are pretty routine now. So he won't be able to run as fast. As long as he can throw the ball he'll be fine.
If they ended McNabb's stay here he'd have a job within seconds. And we'd be stuck trying to find a new QB. Maybe we'd see some washed up veteran brought in to hold the reins for a rookie. And maybe the rookie wouldn't pan out and we'd be in a QB free fall for years. You do not give up on McNabb. No way.
at this point reid and mcnabb are a package deal....they are both here until mcnabb isnt good enough and then both are probably gone...unfortunately that may not be for another 4-5 years....and it will be a shame as they will have wasted the career of a pretty good qb under the idiocy of andy reid
Getting rid of McNabb right now = stupid.
Getting rid of Andy right now = risky, but ok if there is a solid replacement (Gruden) not a bad play.
I don't think those two are attached at the hip. You can get rid of one and not the other.
I don't think those two are attached at the hip. You can get rid of one and not the other.
sure you can but lurie wont...from the decision to take donovan to the booing at the draft to the TO fiasco it has always been andy and donovan...one in the same...and lurie is not going to break them up
Excuse me but Donovan McNabb is the best player on the team.
Yeah, he's been coddled like a four year-old by Reid over the years, but for God's sake, he's one of the best players in the NFL and if the play-calling and personnel around him and on defense were improved, he could still win a Super Bowl if not multiple titles.
all is well...they signed omar jacobs.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/jacobs_omar
torrance daniels to the active roster
omar jacobs to the ps
mcnabb IR
I like the Omar Jacobs move. Was very good at Bowling Green. If he has any chance to develop into something then it is worth it.
I like him too. But he came out too early from school. He'll never amount to much here though. Maybe as the #3 next year if they don't draft a guy. This is like when they signed Tee Martin in 2002, IMO.
I do like them bringing up Tank Daniels. Hopefully he replaces Jason Short for good.
I have a foot in the coach has to go bandwagon as well....but who would be the best candidates?
Gruden, Fisher, maybe Ron Rivera?
Gruden is a chode.
Fisher
Rivera
Whisenhunt (Pittsburgh OC)
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa)
There are some others out there but I'd have to go make a list
JoePa!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2006, 04:18:29 PM
Gruden is a chode.
Fisher
Rivera
Whisenhunt (Pittsburgh OC)
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa)
There are some others out there but I'd have to go make a list
I like all of those coaches, including Gruden. I don't think they should get rid of McNabb, but they definately need to upgrade the QB position. They should draft someone early, or get a solid veteran FA.
Schaub would be the ideal QB, but that is way too much money to put into the position. He also wouldn't want to be here unless he was going to be the starter for good. Also it is way too early to write off McNabb.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 21, 2006, 05:57:38 PM
it is way too early to write off McNabb.
I agree, but like FF said, for insurance it would be wise to draft a qb high in next years draft.
There is no doubt in my mind that McNabb will come back. That's just the kind of player and man he is. My worry is that this is the third time he's had a serious injury in the last four years. And this time, he was just running out of bounds and blew his knee out. That ain't good.
I say draft your future qb in the next draft, and have him watching and learning so we aren't put in a position to have to watch a friggen' Jeff Garcia in a Eagles uniform.
Gruden won a Superbowl and flat out owned Jim Johnson back in the 02 NFCCG. I love Gruden and his team up in Tampa has no talent. If he was on the Eagles he'd know exactly how to utilize the talent here.
Gruden is overrated and a caricature figure. He's all about those funny faces on the sidelines. Over-rated, clap, clap clapclapclap.
Overrated? Maybe. Still the best coach out there if he's available? Yes.
Still better than Reid? Yes.
Quote from: shorebird on November 21, 2006, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 21, 2006, 05:57:38 PM
it is way too early to write off McNabb.
I agree, but like FF said, for insurance it would be wise to draft a qb high in next years draft.
There is no doubt in my mind that McNabb will come back. That's just the kind of player and man he is. My worry is that this is the third time he's had a serious injury in the last four years. And this time, he was just running out of bounds and blew his knee out. That ain't good.
I say draft your future qb in the next draft, and have him watching and learning so we aren't put in a position to have to watch a friggen' Jeff Garcia in a Eagles uniform.
That is pretty much exactly what I was saying.
Quote from: King Cole on November 21, 2006, 06:47:44 PM
Gruden won a Superbowl and flat out owned Jim Johnson back in the 02 NFCCG. I love Gruden and his team up in Tampa has no talent. If he was on the Eagles he'd know exactly how to utilize the talent here.
Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. Now that he's been building the team for a few years, you see where he's at.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 21, 2006, 07:16:36 PM
Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. Now that he's been building the team for a few years, you see where he's at.
With the exception of a RB and the LBs this team doesn't need to be 'built', it needs to be coached. Gruden is excellent at that part of the equation.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 21, 2006, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 21, 2006, 06:47:44 PM
Gruden won a Superbowl and flat out owned Jim Johnson back in the 02 NFCCG. I love Gruden and his team up in Tampa has no talent. If he was on the Eagles he'd know exactly how to utilize the talent here.
Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. Now that he's been building the team for a few years, you see where he's at.
He did 'build' the Raiders into a SuperBowl team before leaving. They were something like 4-12 when he took over.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 21, 2006, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 21, 2006, 06:47:44 PM
Gruden won a Superbowl and flat out owned Jim Johnson back in the 02 NFCCG. I love Gruden and his team up in Tampa has no talent. If he was on the Eagles he'd know exactly how to utilize the talent here.
Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. Now that he's been building the team for a few years, you see where he's at.
That is true, but Dungy wasn't able to do it. Hell, Dungy still hasn't been able to with an even better Colts team.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 21, 2006, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 21, 2006, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 21, 2006, 06:47:44 PM
Gruden won a Superbowl and flat out owned Jim Johnson back in the 02 NFCCG. I love Gruden and his team up in Tampa has no talent. If he was on the Eagles he'd know exactly how to utilize the talent here.
Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. Now that he's been building the team for a few years, you see where he's at.
He did 'build' the Raiders into a SuperBowl team before leaving. They were something like 4-12 when he took over.
And about the same the year after they went to the Super Bowl. And ever since.
why is it even debatable if Gruden is a better coach?
i would want no parts of gruden or fisher.
i would look at Ron Rivera. he has a past with a lot of these players, and would probably be the best fit that i can see.
Rivera, Fisher, fine. Good guys. I'll stop paying attention completely if Gruden's name seriously comes up.
Honestly McNabb is our only hope at QB, ACL injury or not, he's our best option. Put him in a different offense, preferably a running offense and he's going to be just fine. He's not a 40 plus pass QB, there might be one QB in the league now who could do it, but pass happy teams don't win super bowls. the problem is the offensive scheme. its Reid. he needs to go ASAP.
I think McNabb will return from this injury just fine...but if he's going to be passing 75% of the plays its not going to work. It didn't work before and it def won't post injury. Our only hope for a super bowl is a diff. offensive approach, plain and simple.
Right/ Wrong Loser? Discuss:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/11/21/mcnabb/index.html
even if he is on the downside of his career, he is a better option than most other QB's.
Quote from: 4and26 on November 21, 2006, 10:10:40 PM
Right/ Wrong Loser? Discuss:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/11/21/mcnabb/index.html
That guys an asshat. I read scouting mags this preseason that talked about Mcnabbs declining skills, then he starts with MVP numbers. He has shown he make plays in the pocket. That rocket arm has been healthy and will keep him in the league for years. His exp and understanding of this offense isn't going to degrade, I see no reason he can't play well into his late 30's. Christ Miami threw Marino out there on 2 wooden legs. Declining mobility probably... he's 30 when he comes back. Best days behind him..? I wouldn't jump out the window on that assesment.
His "rocket arm" is part of the problem. Dude rarely has the sense to throw with the right touch. Yeah, the fastballs are great for throwing into tight coverage, or 60 yards down the sideline...but he can't lob it over a linebacker's head to a wide-open guy in the endzone.
The only thing that makes him the weapon that he is: his mobility. He tried to play it down a while back, and the result was that everyone wanted him to run more. If he can't run, he's an average QB at best.
All I know is that McNabbs completion percentage would be above 65% this year if the team didnt drop every other damn pass.
I know it's a chicken-and-egg thing, but I think that quite a few of those drops could have been more catchable.
Exactly. This team has always seemed to have problems with dropped passes. Is it worse this year? Definitely. But it's not like McNabb throws a very 'catchable' ball either.
yeah lets not act like mcnabb is some sort of marksman back there...hes thrown for over 60% exactly once in his career...thats pathetic
its never mcnabbs fault....first he didnt have wr's then he got them and they all dropped the ball
at what point does he have to take some of the blame
Quote from: rjs246 on November 22, 2006, 11:01:25 AM
Exactly. This team has always seemed to have problems with dropped passes. Is it worse this year? Definitely. But it's not like McNabb throws a very 'catchable' ball either.
STATS INC is actually very lenient on the player making the catch and harder on the QB. Even considering that they have the Eagles at 29 drops according to them. Obviously every team has drops so let say we cut that in half and DMAC is right around 62%. Give or take a few passes that would put him in the 8-14 range as far as completion percentage is concerned this season... and that is supposed to be his weakness.
Quoteyeah lets not act like mcnabb is some sort of marksman back there...hes thrown for over 60% exactly once in his career...thats pathetic
its never mcnabbs fault....first he didnt have wr's then he got them and they all dropped the ball
to say McNabb never takes blame is nonsense. Everyone here has noted he weaknesses and strengths a hundred times over.
basically your saying when he actually has some decent WR who will catch the ball he can have a higher completion percentage. Isn't that what any QB needs?
Im not defending the guy like he doesnt have problems, because he does. But the context of this conversation is about the future of McNabb at QB and the truth is that he is still better than the majority of the options out there. That is really all im getting at.
This has been McNabb's most accurate year IMO. Most of those drops were hitting the guys right in the hands. Not saying he's the most accurate, but give the guy credit for having a hell of a year up until recently. jesus
It is my general feeling that the balance of drops I've seen this season are on the WRs. Reggie Brown's hands have been nothing short of awful.
the balance of drops I've seen this season
which admittedly could be like one in the giant game and possibly the green bay monday nighter if you stayed up
I find it amusing how much it bothers you that I don't abandon everything in life to watch every play. You can't seem to get over it.
should have never mentioned it...cause im gonna be all up in your shtein till the end of time
beleeeeee
DAT!
aww, igy has a crush on me.
Well... you are pretty hot.
aww, igy has a crush on me.
at least im not making you cry...i was worried there for a second
Go Garcia.
I don't understand why anyone is comparing McNabb's injury to Culpepper's. Culpepper tore 3 ligaments in his knee and McNabb tore 1. There is no doubt in my mind that McNabb will make a complete recovery from this. Hines Ward doesn't have an ACL in either knee. Javon Walker tore his ACL last year and he's back and doing quite well. I think a WR probably relies on his knees during route running and after the catch than a QB ever will. I've only got 2 concerns about McNabb:
1. When will he be back? If his rehab goes smooth, he could be back in 8 months. That puts us in August. If it doesn't go so smooth, he's out until November.
2. How long will it take for him to trust his knee again?
I've torn my ACL twice. The second time came during rehab from my first surgery. Fun. But it took me a while to regain confidence in my knee. Whenever I'd run, play basketball, football or ski I always wore a brace and I was timid....never went at full speed. For me, it took about a year before I started to regain confidence in it. That was about 10 years ago and although I get some nasty aches and pains from time to time, I'm still able to go full speed in everything I do.
That's my biggest concern for McNabb. How does he handle the mental aspect of it when he steps back on the field, feels some pressure and has to take off running. I'm certain he'll recieve much better treatment than I did along with all of the advancements that have been made since my surgeries.
So I don't see any reason at all why he won't be able to come back just as good as before. But we may have to wait until 2008 before actually seeing it. :-\
i think its safe to say that mcnabb whether mentally physically or a combination of both cant be counted on next year
Basing it solely on my experiences, I'd say you're about right. But athletes have a different mentality than the average Joe so you just never know.
Carson Palmer seems to be comfortable both mentally and physically as does Javon Walker and both were less than 1 year removed from injury when the season started. Willis McGehee came back strong from his surgery as well and if I'm not mistaken, he did play during his rookie year (??).
So it's definately not out of the question that McNabb comes back during the preseason and is mentally and physically strong. Just gotta wait and see.
I'm crossing my fingers that Morelli comes out early.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 22, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
I'm crossing my fingers that Morelli comes out early.
Comes outta what? The closet?
yeah good point on all those players
i guess when its your own guy you tend to be more pessimistic
at least i am
shocking as that may seem
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2006, 01:34:42 PM
i think its safe to say that mcnabb whether mentally physically or a combination of both cant be counted on next year
Now see... I'm not sure about that. Everything I've seen or read seems to say (at this point anyway) that his recovery should be closer to 8 months than 12. If the knee is healthy... he may be nervous about it until he takes that 1st hit and then it's business as usual, IMO. I'm not guaranteeing he'll be back or anything... but to me, the more important issue is that the Eagles do something to make sure they have a viable option at QB incase he isn't ready to go when he gets back. Wether than be through FA or through the draft. It's time that the Eagles stop setting up these stiffs behind McNabb and just pray to God that he doesn't get hurt.
Of course... I know fully well that instead they'll sign Garcia to another 1 year deal and draft a QB in the 9th round and try to sell us on the idea that they've upgraded the position.
Yes... you dumb motherfarger... I know that there's no 9th round in the draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2006, 01:45:35 PM
yeah good point on all those players
i guess when its your own guy you tend to be more pessimistic
at least i am
shocking as that may seem
Pessimistic and an Eagles fan? That's just crazy talk.
Now that I know Sassy was able to come out of his injury and start ballin' again, I'm more optimistic about McNabb. I don't know how many people here have met Sarge, but he's easily three times the man McNabb is.
Quote from: mussa on November 22, 2006, 11:50:42 AM
This has been McNabb's most accurate year IMO. Most of those drops were hitting the guys right in the hands. Not saying he's the most accurate, but give the guy credit for having a hell of a year up until recently. jesus
I don't think it's always a matter of accuracy. It's often a problem of throwing with no touch. Yeah, the ball's hitting the guy in the hands, but in short range, sometimes with other players screening the receiver's view, so they don't necessarily have time to catch it.
Quote from: Father Demon on November 22, 2006, 02:33:08 PM
Now that I know Sassy was able to come out of his injury and start ballin' again, I'm more optimistic about McNabb. I don't know how many people here have met Sarge, but he's easily three times the man McNabb is.
Listen to this man.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: mussa on November 22, 2006, 11:50:42 AM
This has been McNabb's most accurate year IMO. Most of those drops were hitting the guys right in the hands. Not saying he's the most accurate, but give the guy credit for having a hell of a year up until recently. jesus
I don't think it's always a matter of accuracy. It's often a problem of throwing with no touch. Yeah, the ball's hitting the guy in the hands, but in short range, sometimes with other players screening the receiver's view, so they don't necessarily have time to catch it.
How do you explain the drops of those "throws" by Jeff Garcia. God he looked awful.
Oh, I don't discount the mental miscues by the WRs. Those are pretty obvious. But equally as obvious are the passes that are thrown too damned hard.
I have to agree with Susq. I know it's the NFL, and all that, but man, some of Dmacs passes are 15 yard bullets that have to be hard to catch. Plus the fact that the ball won't be consistantly in the same spot, the reciever never knows wether it's gonna' be behind him or low. Rarely is it on the numbers hitting someone in stride.
NOt sure why a St. Louis Dispatch writer has an article on McNabb, but here you go:
Quote
NFL Notes: It's looking bad for McNabb (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/3E7AC7CCAA92643F8625723000156BB0?OpenDocument)
Let us be among the first to wish Donovan McNabb a happy 30th birthday.
McNabb officially turns the page Saturday. The torn ACL he suffered last week has forced him to turn the page on this season, at least part of next season and perhaps his career.
Granted, coach Andy Reid isn't in position to look at the long-term health of the franchise. When asked if he thought McNabb's injury put the Eagles at a crossroads, he said: "I'm concentrating on the next game. That (question) is a little too philosophical for me. I try to keep it a game at a time and stick with that."
But consider the following:
1. McNabb's been under a cloud in Philadelphia from the get-go. Remember draft day, 1999, when the guy got booed? ::) He's had an uphill climb ever since. Perhaps he can't quite escape the bad karma of that day, no matter how hard he tries.
2. Doctors say McNabb will need eight to 12 months to recover from surgery on the ACL. If it's the former, he'll be back in time to put in a full season. If it's the latter, he'll return for about Week 12 or 13, making next year a wash as well. In that case, he wouldn't be fully effective until 2008, when he turns 32.
3. He is injury prone. This is the third time he's suffered a season-ending injury in the past five years.
4. Much like Bengals QB Carson Palmer, McNabb could lose his ability to escape the pocket and make things happen on the run, limiting his effectiveness.
Even if he returns, the Eagles' return to elite status is against the odds. Data gathered by the Philadelphia Inquirer shows that from 1966 through 1983, 24 of the 36 quarterbacks (67 percent) who played in the Super Bowl were 30 or older, including 11 of the 18 winners. Since 1983, only 14 of the 44 Super Bowl quarterbacks (32 percent) have been 30 or older, and only eight of the 22 winners (36 percent).
I just can't bear to think about life without McNabb under center. Before he got here it was the Hoying's and Peete's of the world. For as much as he has problems he's light years ahead of most QBs in the league. I blame Andy for all of this. He has never used him properly. Not once.
I just can't bear to think about life without McNabb under center. Before he got here it was the Hoying's and Peete's of the world.
while i agree andy wasted mcnabbs career you do know that there are qb's much better than hoying and not as good as mcnabb its not an either or scenario
and you really wont believe this one...but there are actually qb's BETTER than mcnabb out there as well
Yeah, I know. It just sucks knowing we'll get stuck with a Hoying-type again before we get another one like McNabb or better.
God damn it Andy. Why? Go back to BYU and take the Cougars to prominence. Leave us alone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2006, 01:50:28 PM
I just can't bear to think about life without McNabb under center. Before he got here it was the Hoying's and Peete's of the world.
while i agree andy wasted mcnabbs career you do know that there are qb's much better than hoying and not as good as mcnabb its not an either or scenario
and you really wont believe this one...but there are actually qb's BETTER than mcnabb out there as well
Say what you will but there aren't many better than him. Personally I would like to see them draft Troy Smith, they were saying last week during OSU/Michigan that he is projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I think he should be a first, but I would love to see him in midnight green.
Mcnabb=Troy Smith
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 24, 2006, 03:00:10 PM
Mcnabb=Troy Smith
Not really, Smith is a much more accurate passer and quite a bit smaller.
Quote from: shorebird on November 23, 2006, 06:59:44 AMRarely is it on the numbers hitting someone in stride.
I was watching Harrington and Kitna on Thursday...and they were hitting guys in stride. And I realized how much I miss that.
Did someone just wistfully mention the skill of Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna? Hoo boy.
I'm gonna stick behind McNabb and a comeback eventually. This was just a freak running out of bounce injury. Once again trying to make something happen on 3rd and Long! Part of his whole completion percentage thing is because the Eagles held on to recievers like Pinkston forever. This year McNabb started out throwing crisp and clean for the most part and these newer receivers were dropping balls right in there hands. He didn't lose his mind until the Bucs game when he threw those 2 straight to Ronde Barber. He definitely does lose his mind sometimes and I thought he may have seen some sort of QB Psychiatrist after he came out looking so good in the first part of the season. Maybe he missed an appointment or two. The receivers the Eagles have now may need to see someone too. Or, decide if they can catch with or without the Gloves!
Anyway, it took 15 years for John Elway to win a Super Bowl and Donovan is only halfway there. I didn't think Eagles Fans would have to wait 15 years with McNabb, but that is the way it's turning out. Hopefully, we won't have the same coaching for 15 years. Dan Reeves was a great coach, but even Elway needed Shanahan to come in and make some changes.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 24, 2006, 07:57:14 PM
Did someone just wistfully mention the skill of Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna? Hoo boy.
Crazy, isn't it?
McNabb's just not white enough. :(
did that guy say bounce?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 25, 2006, 12:40:59 AM
McNabb's just not white enough. :(
He's not uppity enough either
Quote from: PhilLeeD on November 24, 2006, 08:49:30 PMThis was just a freak running out of bounce injury.
It always farging happens when Eagle players run out of bounce. I blame Burkhalter.
The trainer?
If anything, the Eagles need a viable long-term backup who can win games. They need to commit to the run, and they obviously need to not put the game on McNabb's shoulders every game.
Whether Andy wants to admit it or not, they need to re-evaluate the way the offense is run next year. This is probably a pipe dream, but no way can they come out next year and not run the ball 25-30 times a game and expect to win. And, they really need to make it a priority to get a very good backup. No way can they go into next season without a contingency plan for McNabb. The Eagles probably had the worst class of backup QB's in the league over the past 8 seasons.
Looking forward to the draft, maybe the Bucaneers will draft Brady Quinn and make Gradkowski expendable. For a guy in his first year in the league, he looks pretty good in that he shows good pocket awareness and has a pretty strong arm. Granted, he didn't play particularly well against Dallas after the first drive of the game, but I think he has a bright future in the league and all this exposure this year will only help him in the league for years to come.
As long as Andy Reid is the coach the Eagles will never run the ball as much as they pass it. Thats just something we'll have to accept as fans until he's gone. He's too stubborn to change his plan now.
As far as getting a viable back up. We might have one.. but he'll be riding the bench today in Indy. AJ sucks but Garcia sucks worse.
Supposedly John Clayton reported this morning that the damage to the knee wasn't as bad as originally thought and he'll be ready for training camp...
That's good news, but we still need someone who has the ability to win games if/when McNabb is sidelined with another injury.
Just a small thing Z... but the knock on Gradkowski is that he doesn't have that strong an arm. Don't know if you watched but he proved it against Dallas by terribly underthrowing Galloway on a deep ball which allowed Roy Williams to pick him off.
Yeah, I saw that play. However, I like his pose in the pocket and his awareness. He seems to have a good feel for the rush even though he's only been playing for a little while. And at 6'1 222 he is a pretty decently sized QB who can probably take a lick or two and still not get rattled.
Tom Brady doesn't exactly have a very strong arm either, but he can make all the throws when needed. Tom Brady is great because he feels the rush exceptionally well and makes good decisions with the football. Gradkowski has similar qualities. I'm BY NO MEANS saying Gradkowski = Brady, but I think Gradkowski has demonstrated some of the qualities that makes Brady great.
Any QB from the MAC is a friend of mine.
MAC = QB Central, baybee.
Get Charlie Batch?
Talked to NC today and he said McNabb has lost 20-25 pounds since the injury....
Is that a bad thing?
Wow. He'll look like a rookie again.
Good move too. Less stress on the joint.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 29, 2006, 07:35:20 PM
Is that a bad thing?
It is if you didn't lose it on purpose....
NC knows this because he weighed McNabb? Because McNabb told him as much? Because he saw McNabb and his eye judges that amount of loss?
I don't really care what the answers are. We'll see about McNabb in the fall. Until then, I don't much care if he's put on weight, or gained it.
The "less weight, less stress on his knee" argument does make sense to me, though.
It is if you didn't lose it on purpose....
even in december?
a minimum nine months before you take a real snap again?
this is a non starter and should not have even been brought up
I wasn't trying to start anything. Just passing along a comment that he looks like crap right now, that's all. None of this will matter in July....
You know the media is going to want to get an interview with McNabb for their pre-game shows come next week when the playoffs start.
I'm somewhat surprised that no one is really asking McNabb about the Eagles turn around since he went out. You'd think that would be an interview reporters would be trying to secure.
He's not doing interviews. Other than a small one on NBC10 a few weeks ago he has been quiet. He doesn't want to take away from what the team is doing. Unlike TO did when he was hurt. But his mom needs to shut her yap.
N/M.
Yeah I just saw McNabb's mom talking about how the winning with Garcia is 'bittersweet'. Who cares. She's still bitter about the draft and she's not an Eagles fan, really. She's just a No. 5 fan -- and who can blame her, it is her son.
That's respectable that McNabb doesn't want to do any interviews; but at the same time McNabb isn't TO. McNabb, I would think judging by his character, would offer words of encouragement and further soldify his support of what the team is doing and how they are doing it. If anything, I would think it would be more of a morale booster for the players knowing that their leader supports them 100%.
However, I'm sure he still keeps in touch with the locker room. From a fan's perspective, however, I wouldn't mind seeing a public statement.
from the article the other day him and Garcia still talk at the NC center.
Yeah, he's around the team but he just hasn't said anything publicly. That doesn't bother me and I like him staying in the background. Let Garcia and the guys on the field get the press and don't make it seem like you need attention by coming out and talking. But still be there in the locker room for the guys.
Yeah, I just finished reading the article from the Daily News. It seems like McNabb is keeping a great attitude about everything and is very supportive in the locker room and around the Nova Care Complex -- that's to be expected but it is good to see an article corroborating that.
mcnabb is a little bitch like lindros...and for the same reason...obnoxious overbearing parents that they cant stand up to
a shame too because both guys were ultra talented but didnt have inside what it took to win the big one
I'm not going to blame McNabb for his outspoken parents. Parents defend their children (like the draft) and usually take it more personally than the child does for a longer period of time.
And Mamma McNabb is upset that her child isn't leading the team to these sorts of victories. Whatever. And Lindros was just a straight up bitch. I don't even think Lindros and McNabb are comparable.
they are comparable in that they both have unbelievably soft batch personas
mcnabb still crying over the draft day booing....unable to stand up to TO...his mommy writing internet messages attacking the fans on his behalf....ect....
lindros we all know about
i dont blame mcnabb for his parents i blame mcnabb for not being able to control them...why is that stupid ass message STILL on his website??...because hes scared to confront mommy to take it down....its an embarrassment to him...it should have never gone up much less still be there
Losing 20-25 lbs. in under 2 months when you can't walk is very hard to do, he must be severly depressed and stopped eating.
As long as the team knows that McNabb supports them and their impending playoff run all this probably doesn't matter.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 29, 2006, 11:00:37 PM
Losing 20-25 lbs. in under 2 months when you can't walk is very hard to do, he must be severly depressed and stopped eating.
Comeon, everyone knows that he should have GAINED 25 pounds by crying on the sofa, watching soap operas and gorging on bon bons.
An athlete shouldn't be held accountable when their parents run off at the mouth. They cannot control their parents because afterall, they are still your mom and pops.
Just like when Jim Mora Sr. said Vick was a coach killer. Not Jr.'s fault.
I can't believe the parents are still holding a grudge over the draft day fiasco.
For God's sake, get the farg over it, already.
i always thought that McNabb would outlast Reid in philly. I now believe that the opposite is true.
I think there is little doubt that the Eagles will be scouting QB's a little bit harder this year.
An athlete shouldn't be held accountable when their parents run off at the mouth. They cannot control their parents because afterall, they are still your mom and pops.
perhaps that would true IF mcnabb didnt feel the exact same way as his mother...but even if he didnt its pathetic that a 30 year old man has no control over what his parents say and do...but its not surprising as it fits mcnabbs personality to a tee...
at the very least id take the retarded message off MY website...because even if he didnt agree with what his mother said it being on his site gives the statement his de facto support
i just dont understand why this is even an issue right now..why would they do this a week before the playoffs...you cant even use the pathetic eccuse that she was answering a reporters question either because this was an unsolicited attack on a website
I firmly believe that Donovon McNabb will win the Super Bowl one day.
Unfortunately, it probably won't be in Philadelphia.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 30, 2006, 12:08:16 PM
I firmly believe that Donovon McNabb will win the Super Bowl one day.
Unfortunately, it probably won't be in Philadelphia.
Of course not. They'll never play the game there, silly. Too nippy.
;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2006, 10:32:31 PM
a shame too because both guys were ultra talented but didnt have inside what it took to win the big one
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2006, 10:30:53 AM
An athlete shouldn't be held accountable when their parents run off at the mouth. They cannot control their parents because afterall, they are still your mom and pops.
Just like when Jim Mora Sr. said Vick was a coach killer. Not Jr.'s fault.
Igy holds McNabb accountable for everything wrong with the Eagles for the last 5 years. There can't be a thread started here about McNabb without us hearing the tired old mlktst bullcrap. It's his way he keeps his secret love for the taterskins suppressed.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 30, 2006, 11:07:36 AM
I think there is little doubt that the Eagles will be scouting QB's a little bit harder this year.
Give me a break! Nothing needs to be done at QB. Hopefully somewhere along the line a light has come on inside Rieds head. When McNabb gets back, run the same damn O that the're running with Garcia. Now theres an idea! The Eagles will rule. It would also be nice if a light would come on in McNabb's head and he would pick up a little of Garcias nastiness.
You're probably right though. How hard do you have to scout QB's to do little bit better than Andy Hall?
Garcia is proving how important it is to have depth behind McNabb at very least.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 31, 2006, 10:45:08 AM
Garcia is proving how important it is to have depth behind McNabb at very least.
Exactly.
I think depth at QB is a very under-rated area to have depth at. A lot of teams neglect securing a quality back-up. Just look at Carolina. Wienke sat out on 8 third down plays last week in exchange for a direct snap to the RB. How horrible of a QB do you have to be to sit out on 8 third downs?
McNabb asked about TO and Favre, but not his knee. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-mcnabb&prov=ap&type=lgns)
BUT -- he did say this:
QuoteUnlike Favre, McNabb hasn't been able to stay on the field. He tore a knee ligament in Week 11 last November, finishing the regular season on the sidelines for the third time in five years. Meanwhile, Favre is the ultimate ironman. He'll extend his record for consecutive starts to 238 against the Eagles.
"Things happen. You get nagging injuries," McNabb said. "You have to continue to stay on top of it."
OMGNAGGINGINJURYHE'SINJURYPRONE!
There goes another season.
Quote"I did what I had to do when I saw Donovan. I apologized," Owens said before Dallas practiced Wednesday. "Donovan is a good guy. I missed him. I missed the times that we had. Donovan is a good guy. He is a good friend. There were some things that happened. I do regret some of the things that happened. If I could go back and change some of the things then I would."
you icehole! now you say that? now you're sorry? oh man. you big prick.
with that said TO, you can come back.
He's full of shtein. TO hasn't changed nor will he ever. That was evidenced by him saying he'd take Peyton or Donovan instead of Romo. Break an ankle, TO. Dickbag.
As for Donovan; I am not surprised to see that he is ready to start the season. ACL tears are commonplace now. He's going to have a great season.
Just like I hope Trotter sticks it up the Eagles asses, I hope Donovan is great this year too to shove it up the asses of the haters and the FO who are trying to run him out of here.
People won't realize what thye got with McNabb til he's gone, unfortunately.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2007, 04:09:21 AM
He's full of shtein. TO hasn't changed nor will he ever. That was evidenced by him saying he'd take Peyton or Donovan instead of Romo. Break an ankle, TO. Dickbag.
wonder if romo will respond to this? hope some reporter in Dallas has the balls to stir something up.
Quote from: Munson on September 06, 2007, 04:41:32 AM
People won't realize what thye got with McNabb til he's gone, unfortunately.
Thank you Cinderella.
Let's all get together and sing Cum Ba Ya! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=13948&spadaro=1)
QuoteMcNabb has lost six of his last seven starts and is 9-12 since the Eagles lost the Super Bowl to New England in January 2005
rofljaculation