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Title: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:09:17 AM
Apparently Walker and Reid had a little heated discussion yesterday. I did not see the supposed confrontation because I went to take a leak at halftime but a few people on th EMB said that as Walker came off the field after getting the 15yd penalty on Brunell (terrible call, by the way) Andy confronted him by jawing at him and bumping into him.

It supposedly escalated as they were going in for the half as Butch Buchanico, the teams security guy, had to restrain Walker from going after Andy.

I saw Andy ream him on the sideline but did not see the rest of it.

Anyone see?

Walker has stunk lately. Him and Hugh got into an argument because Hugh was blaming him for the JAX TD and they ended up going into the film room so Darwin could prove it was not his fault.

He started off well and once again, like last year, has shtein the bed. And if this is true, then he really needs an attitude adjustment.

Bunkley needs to be put in there more. And while we're talking about DTs get Rayburn outta there for god sakes. LaJuan Ramsey to the white courtesy phone, please.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 13, 2006, 11:10:31 AM
bunkley cant play in this league right now
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:11:34 AM
Throw his ass in there more. Baptism by fire.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:12:32 AM
(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/a978363b-687a-4425-9b11-d6025bf404de.jpg)
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 13, 2006, 11:14:41 AM
Throw his ass in there more. Baptism by fire.

i was of this opinion a few weeks ago...but after really studying him the last couple weeks i dont know...he gets merked on just about every play...i by no means have given up on him or anything but he is a liability in there right now
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:19:36 AM
I would just like to see him get more snaps. Not necessarily start, but maybe 30 snaps a game. At least put Rayburn's ass back in street clothes.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 13, 2006, 11:20:04 AM
No wonder Portis got hurt.  Dumbass put his helmet on backwards and couldn't see anything. 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 13, 2006, 11:20:47 AM
Also, when I was on the flight back from Frisco in September I met a woman claiming to be Darwin Walker's mom.  She was a bitch. 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2006, 11:23:38 AM
I know they rotate the D-line but the 2nd string of Thomas, Bunkley, Rayburn, McDougle seemed to get 75% of the snaps yesterday.
I made sure to keep an eye on Bunkley on most Defensive plays, he's not shooting gaps, he's playing his blocker straight up and driving towards the play. Didn't matter if it was a run or a pass play. Another thing I noticed was that every D-lineman was doing the same, they're not shooting gaps the way they used to - not sure but it looked like this was by design.
Walker's still a decent player but he needs to grow up and become a leader, he's the senior guy on the D-line. He's a goner next season, really wish we would have signed Rocky Bernard this offseason.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: phattymatty on November 13, 2006, 11:41:48 AM
i heard that they were arguing about whose tits were bigger.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 13, 2006, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:19:36 AM
I would just like to see him get more snaps. Not necessarily start, but maybe 30 snaps a game. At least put Rayburn's ass back in street clothes.

That's just way too many snaps right now.  He has way too much to learn.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Philly_Crew on November 13, 2006, 12:56:57 PM
When does Walker's contract expire?  May have to draft yet another DT next year.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: General_Failure on November 13, 2006, 12:58:49 PM
First round!
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on November 13, 2006, 01:07:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 13, 2006, 11:12:32 AM
(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/a978363b-687a-4425-9b11-d6025bf404de.jpg)

Priceless.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 13, 2006, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

Jevon Kearse is good.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2006, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

There easily could have been 4 or 5 sacks yesterday if Brunnel was such a Hoyda. As soon as there was any pressure he threw it away. Sacks are great but notice our D lets up less points when there are few sacks?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Rome on November 13, 2006, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 13, 2006, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

Jevon Kearse is done in Philly, Pa.

Fixed.  A lot.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 13, 2006, 02:48:37 PM
Probably true, but it's hard to argue how important he was to the success of the line.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 13, 2006, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

There easily could have been 4 or 5 sacks yesterday if Brunnel was such a Hoyda. As soon as there was any pressure he threw it away. Sacks are great but notice our D lets up less points when there are few sacks?

true i rather take a win while holding the team to 3pts but i also know we wont be able to rely on our D to hold teams to just 3 pts and have the opposing QB throw us INTs. our D line has been rather lackluster these past 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SunMo on November 13, 2006, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 13, 2006, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

There easily could have been 4 or 5 sacks yesterday if Brunnel was such a Hoyda. As soon as there was any pressure he threw it away. Sacks are great but notice our D lets up less points when there are few sacks?

i wish Donovan would act like a Hoyda that way sometimes.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2006, 02:56:20 PM
The D-line hasn't been shooting gaps to get pressure but they've been standing the O-line up to create holes for LBs to blitz - which was very effective yesterday.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Rome on November 13, 2006, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 13, 2006, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 13, 2006, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

There easily could have been 4 or 5 sacks yesterday if Brunnel was such a Hoyda. As soon as there was any pressure he threw it away. Sacks are great but notice our D lets up less points when there are few sacks?

i wish Donovan would act like a Hoyda that way sometimes.

Whenever he's throwing worm-burners out there, you know he's throwing them away.

Honestly. 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Father Demon on November 15, 2006, 01:13:58 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 13, 2006, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 13, 2006, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 13, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
where have the sacks gone?

Jevon Kearse is done in Philly, Pa.

Fixed.  A lot.

How is Kearse's contract structured?  Is he due a huge sum of money next season?  Because if he's not, I still see him here.  As FF said, having him and Howard bookend the line was huge.  Without Kearse, it's not nearly as effective.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 15, 2006, 01:21:20 PM
kearse is due 7.3 mil next year....thats a lot of money

but one thing that favors him staying is that they prorated his signing bonus out pretty evenly...as opposed to giving him a huge chunk early....therefore if they cut him next year his dead money number will be huge
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Rome on November 15, 2006, 01:43:22 PM
$6M in dead money to be exact.

QuoteJevon Kearse-Kearse signed an 8 year, 60.6 million dollar deal in the 2004 offseason that included a 12M signing bonus prorated over 6 years, a 4M roster bonus in 2004, a 2M roster bonus in 2005, and 125K workout bonuses in each year from 2005-2008.  His cap values are as follows:
2004: $6,535,000 (535K base salary+2M proration+4M roster bonus)

2005: $5,015,000 (890K base salary+2M pro.+2M r. bonus+125K w. bonus; $10,000,000 dead money if cut)

2006: $6,200,000 (2.075M base+2M pro.+2M roster bonus+125K workout bonus; $8,000,000 dead money)

2007: $7,325,000 (5.2M base salary+2M proration+125K workout bonus; $6,000,000 dead money if cut)

2008: $8,585,000 (6.46M base salary+2M proration+125K workout bonus; $4,000,000 dead money if cut)

2009: $9,720,000 (7.72M base salary+2M proration; $2,000,000 dead money if cut)

2010: $8,980,000 (base salary)

2011: $10,240,000 (base salary)
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 15, 2006, 01:48:55 PM
i thought it was even bigger than that
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 15, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
Why?  Cause he's black? 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Beermonkey on November 15, 2006, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 15, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
Why?  Cause he's black? 

Walker is not black. I don't know where that's coming from.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: rjs246 on November 15, 2006, 04:40:32 PM
Who's Darwin Walker?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Diomedes on November 15, 2006, 04:47:48 PM
And does anyone know his status?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SunMo on November 15, 2006, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 15, 2006, 04:47:48 PM
And does anyone know his status?

He's DEAD!  He was very badly raped, you see! We were assaulted by a gang of vicious, young, hoodlums in this house! In this very room you are sitting in now! I was left a helpless cripple, but for him the agony was too great! The doctor said it was pneumonia; because it happened some months later! During a flu epidemic! The doctors told me it was pneumonia, but I knew what it was! A VICTIM OF THE MODERN AGE! Poor, poor boy!
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Eagaholic on November 15, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2006, 01:43:22 PM
$6M in dead money to be exact.
2006: $6,200,000 (2.075M base+2M pro.+2M roster bonus+125K workout bonus; $8,000,000 dead money)

2007: $7,325,000 (5.2M base salary+2M proration+125K workout bonus; $6,000,000 dead money if cut)

2008: $8,585,000 (6.46M base salary+2M proration+125K workout bonus; $4,000,000 dead money if cut)

2009: $9,720,000 (7.72M base salary+2M proration; $2,000,000 dead money if cut)


Actually, I think they would have a large net savings if they cut Kearse. 

$6 million in dead money spread over 3 remaining pro-rated years is a cap hit of 2 million a year. Subtract that from his annual salary and the team saves about  5.3 to 7.7 million each of the next 3 years. That is alot of savings ($18 mil over 3 years) but there is still the hidden cost of what a similar replacement would be. If Kearse can come back to where he was before his unfortunate injury he might still be worth it imo.

The unique thing that the Eagles do so well with in managing the cap from a business perspective is not about being under the cap (teams like the Cardinals are also always under), but that they are structured in such a way that they could cut almost any player on the team at any time (except those who were signed or re-signed over the last 2-3 years) and still come out with net cap space. Even McNabb and his 20 million plus in signing and roster boni.


Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Cerevant on November 16, 2006, 05:56:25 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 15, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
$6 million in dead money spread over 3 remaining pro-rated years is a cap hit of 2 million a year.

False.  Any signing bonus pro-ration remaining counts against the cap in the year he is cut.

Also keep in mind that much of those multi-million dollar "base salaries" are performance bonuses that have all kinds of cap-fu going on behind them.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: hbionic on November 16, 2006, 01:55:21 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2006, 05:56:25 AMAlso keep in mind that much of those multi-million dollar "base salaries" are performance bonuses that have all kinds of cap-fu going on behind them.

I heart cap-fu!
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: RezRob on November 16, 2006, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: hbionic on November 16, 2006, 01:55:21 PM
I heart cap-fu!

Pad
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Eagaholic on November 17, 2006, 02:18:46 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2006, 05:56:25 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 15, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
$6 million in dead money spread over 3 remaining pro-rated years is a cap hit of 2 million a year.

False.  Any signing bonus pro-ration remaining counts against the cap in the year he is cut.




False. Well, sort of. At least more true than what i said.  Now that I think about it, it depends on when the player is cut. I remember hearing on Sirius, that if a player is cut after June first, half the hit goes to the current year and half to the next. I also read an article though which says all of it would count against the following year's cap. That is why teams often like to cut after June 1 unless there is something like a larger roster bonus due before 6/1. And it's also why, before teams had a good handle on the cap, there used to be a big FA frenzie after 6/1, but not so much anymore with the better cap management now. Except Washington.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: bobbyinlondon on November 17, 2006, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 16, 2006, 05:56:25 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 15, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
$6 million in dead money spread over 3 remaining pro-rated years is a cap hit of 2 million a year.

False.  Any signing bonus pro-ration remaining counts against the cap in the year he is cut.

Also keep in mind that much of those multi-million dollar "base salaries" are performance bonuses that have all kinds of cap-fu going on behind them.

A change in the CBA this year--if you cut a player, you can now spread his cap hit over the next 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on November 17, 2006, 07:32:06 AM
Has there been any new information in the local media about this alleged altercation?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: mussa on November 17, 2006, 08:35:15 AM
Apparently it was over a cheesesteak...
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Zanshin on November 17, 2006, 08:49:11 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 17, 2006, 07:32:06 AM
Has there been any new information in the local media about this alleged altercation?

Yeah, it was in the paper yesterday, actually.  Forget which one.  Anyway, Darwin said that he was trying to explain something to Reid and was getting emotional.  The bottom line was that Walker said that he was totally in the wrong and that Reid was totally in the right; it's a non-issue.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Philly_Crew on November 17, 2006, 09:08:04 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on November 17, 2006, 08:49:11 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 17, 2006, 07:32:06 AM
Has there been any new information in the local media about this alleged altercation?

Yeah, it was in the paper yesterday, actually.  Forget which one.  Anyway, Darwin said that he was trying to explain something to Reid and was getting emotional.  The bottom line was that Walker said that he was totally in the wrong and that Reid was totally in the right; it's a non-issue.

Good answer.  I guess he wants to try to stay an Eagle next year.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Quasimoto on November 20, 2006, 10:40:07 AM
Apparently yesterday Trotter was yelling at one of the defensive coaches.  Saying "If you're going to dress him (Bunkley) you better play him!!" 

:o
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 20, 2006, 06:07:12 PM
Trot confirmed that on DNL tonight.

He said he kept coming off the field and seeing Bunk there in his clean jersey and he said that Bunk was upset at not playing so he took it up with a coach and then he started getting some snaps.

While we're on the subject of DTs, I'll say again for the 2nd week, get Rayburn outta there and put Ramsey in too.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: mpmcgraw on November 20, 2006, 06:10:58 PM
Well at least Trotter is good for something. 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 20, 2006, 06:14:24 PM
He's good for sticking up for players that aren't good enough to earn the playing time themselves?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: mpmcgraw on November 20, 2006, 06:23:34 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of sound bytes, but sure.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Wingspan on November 20, 2006, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 20, 2006, 06:14:24 PM
He's good for sticking up for players that aren't good enough to earn the playing time themselves?

i wish he'd speak up for omar gaither
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 20, 2006, 07:50:49 PM
any chance they finally go out and get some real linebackers this offseason?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: SunMo on November 20, 2006, 07:51:47 PM
to quote King Cole:

lol @ u
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Quasimoto on November 20, 2006, 08:00:05 PM
There will probably be a rumor that we're going to get Lance Briggs.  Then after one of the Philly beat writers publishes an article saying he's going to sign with the team tomorrow Lance Briggs plane will turn around en route to Philly to head to his favorite team as a child growing up the 49ers. 
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PhillyandBCEagles on November 21, 2006, 02:29:55 AM
I love the geniuses on WIP claiming after 10 games that Bunkley is a bust
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 21, 2006, 08:25:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 21, 2006, 02:29:55 AM
I love the geniuses on WIP claiming after 10 games that Bunkley is a bust

He's not a bust yet but certainly is a disappointment.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: ice grillin you on November 21, 2006, 08:33:15 AM
hes more than a disappointment but not a bust.....whatever that is
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 21, 2006, 08:48:24 AM
a disabustment?  bustappointment?  disappointbust?

He sucks.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: General_Failure on November 21, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
They all suck. Who gives a shtein if Bunkley sucks too?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 21, 2006, 08:48:31 PM
JJ should say "Bunkley's fitting right in with the scheme here" then.  That would make sense.

SUCKY SUCK SUCK ASS SUCK BALLS BLOW SUCKS.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: General_Failure on November 21, 2006, 08:51:25 PM
I hear Johnson's upset with him because he hasn't learned to get knocked on his ass fast enough. Livid was the word used to describe him.
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: Rome on November 21, 2006, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 21, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
They all suck. Who gives a shtein if Bunkley sucks too?

I'm guessing Trotter?
Title: Re: Darwin Walker & Andy Reid Argument?
Post by: General_Failure on November 22, 2006, 01:48:41 AM
Trotter has more opinions than working brain cells, all of them wrong.