Any word on his status for this weeks game against Washington?
He played last time, and with the bye, he's probably a go. But he's not 100%.
I don't see how this matters, though. The Eagles suck.
sean payton 1
andy reid 0
Wouldn't that be
Sean Payton - 2
Andy Reid - 0
since the Saints ran a clinic on the Eagles' asses?
Hopefully Stallworth has a great second half.
You know, I enjoy fantasy football...but I also get annoyed at the putzes who ask questions like this.
Wouldn't that be
Sean Payton - 2
Andy Reid - 0
yes
i was on the stallworth > 1000 yards bandwagon when the trade was made....i guess nfl head coaches do know more than me sometimes (and more than other nfl head coaches)
Stallworth is as valuable as real estate in new orleans.
Stallworth has not missed significant amount of games like this in his career. This was unexpected.
Eh, it wasn't that bad of a trade regardless. We gave up Mark fargin' Simoneau, and a conditional pick.
I don't think anyone is losing too much sleep over this one.
I definately don't regret that trade or think it was a bad move. Stallworth's performance in his first 2 games were more than enough compensation for 3 years of Simoneau's missed tackles.
Stallworth, when healthy, is flat out the best receiver the Eagles have. But that isn't saying much lately.
im still very happy with the trade...id even be happy if they bring him back...especially with the season hes having probably making the price right
I agree that Stallworth is probably the best WR this team has. He definitely has the most talent, and most likely the Eagles can retain him cheap due to his limited action this year. Now, overcoming the injuries and making him an every-week player is a different story.
For the price, though, great bargain.
Quote from: King Cole on November 08, 2006, 04:11:59 PM
Stallworth has not missed significant amount of games like this in his career. This was unexpected.
I have to assume that you're kidding. Do you even watch the NFL? He's been hurt almost every year. Every year HIS OWN COACHES bemoaned his injury problems. Stop clowning yourself.
Well you're both extremely stupid.
Donte Stallworth missed significant time his first two years because...yep...groin/hamstring problems.
Donte Stallworth has also played the last two FULL seasons.
Good day.
He seems healthy now, which is just what this offense needs.
Quote from: Munson on November 09, 2006, 02:45:58 AM
Well you're both extremely stupid.
Donte Stallworth missed significant time his first two years because...yep...groin/hamstring problems.
Donte Stallworth has also played the last two FULL seasons.
Good day.
Hi Munson. Good to see that you now think it's safe to come out from under your rock. I'm sure the last three games were doubly hard for you to take since you've been spouting off about how great this team is. You know, I hate to see the Eagles lose, but I can't imagine how hard it must be for those of you who never saw it coming. Poor kid.
He got Munsoned.
Munson, Stallworth even missed mini camp practices this year with the Saints because of his hamstring BS.
link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2564338)
QuoteDuring mini-camp in June, Stallworth was sent home for a day for missing a team meeting. He then missed a number of practices early in training camp while nursing a sore hamstring and usually practiced with the second string receivers from then on.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 09, 2006, 07:59:33 AM
He got Munsoned.
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I hope they can resign him. Then spend the offseason working on his hamstring and conditioning. When healthy he's been a force in this offense. He does need to work with the jugs machine after every practice though.
I never heard of chronic hamstring problems. Yeah, they linger, but enough to keep a player out for weeks on end seems like a real stretch (no pun intended).
Even though he's talented, I think he has a case of Hoyda-itis.
blacks
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 07:26:48 AM
Quote from: Munson on November 09, 2006, 02:45:58 AM
Well you're both extremely stupid.
Donte Stallworth missed significant time his first two years because...yep...groin/hamstring problems.
Donte Stallworth has also played the last two FULL seasons.
Good day.
Hi Munson. Good to see that you now think it's safe to come out from under your rock. I'm sure the last three games were doubly hard for you to take since you've been spouting off about how great this team is. You know, I hate to see the Eagles lose, but I can't imagine how hard it must be for those of you who never saw it coming. Poor kid.
Good to see you spin away from the fact that you are as big an idiot as King Cole, and try to turn it around into some sort of insult against me. You were wrong, again, get over it. :D
Please find me a post where I said this Eagles team was "great". I find it amusing people call me a homer because I defend certain players/aspects of the team. I've also been lurking/posting on here for the past couple weeks now....and have been openly negative about how the Eagles have played. But please, try again.
MURP, yeah I remember that too....I'm just saying that while these hamstring/groin type problems are nothing new with Stallworth, he also did manage to play the last two full seasons. So to say to the extreme either way (he's never missed time, he always misses time) is stupid. I remember a couple years ago reading about how he went to some sort of specialist to help him stretch out and become more flexable in the legs, and it seemed to work.....but now the problems have returned. I hope he gets back into contact with that guy.
It may be a good thing, as others have pointed out, because it will bring his price tag down and make it easier for the Eagles to resign him. Even with all hte drops, a Stallworth/Brown is a nice, young combination to have for the next few years.
Ah so I see how it is. You change your tune once you have been proven wrong so that you sound like you know what you're talking about. Makes sense. Carry on.
I still think Stallworth is going to gain over 950 yards this year.
:D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 03:46:47 PM
I still think Stallworth is going to gain over 950 yards this year.
:D
It's possible he might gain that much between November 9, 2006 and November 8, 2007, sure.
He played for 13 games in his first season and 11 in his second season. He missed 5 games in his second season and has already pretty much missed 4 or 5 this season already. His hamstring issues have been there, but have never really kept him out for big chunks of seasons.
FF: I'll bet you a beer he still gets over 950 yards this season.
Bet to be settled at training camp next year.
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
He played for 13 games in his first season and 11 in his second season. He missed 5 games in his second season and has already pretty much missed 4 or 5 this season already. His hamstring issues have been there, but have never really kept him out for big chunks of seasons.
5 out of 16 games = 31% or roughly 1/3
31% = big chunk of season
You = dumbass
stallworth has played in 83% of his nfl games....not a bad number until you consider that hes missed virtually all those games with the same injury (hamstrings)
id rather have a guy whos missed 70-75% of his games with random ish than have a guy with chronic johnsons
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2006, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
He played for 13 games in his first season and 11 in his second season. He missed 5 games in his second season and has already pretty much missed 4 or 5 this season already. His hamstring issues have been there, but have never really kept him out for big chunks of seasons.
5 out of 16 games = 31% or roughly 1/3
31% = big chunk of season
You = dumbass
This season he is on pace to miss like 10 games, which will have been more than he has missed in his entire career.
5 isn't a big chunk.
lol @ u
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
FF: I'll bet you a beer he still gets over 950 yards this season.
Bet to be settled at training camp next year.
Why would I make you buy me a beer when I can put it on the quitter's tab instead?
Revised bet:
Donte gets 950+ yards this season (not including playoffs - lol), and you drink 3 shots of my choosing at training camp next year. Donte gets 949- yards this season, and I drink 3 shots of your choosing at training camp next year.
Oh, and the loser also has to attempt to approach Tom Heckert and ask about a rumored acquisition.
He still might get 950+ with this cake schedule the rest of the way.
BAAAALLIIIN
Fine except for one problem: You're assuming Heckert will still be there.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
Fine except for one problem: You're assuming Heckert will still be there.
Ha! OK, if he's not there, that part of the bet is null and void.
You like cement mixers?
the loser also has to attempt to approach Tom Heckert and ask about a rumored acquisition.
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He told me this year that they were going hard after Lelie. That is incredibly inaccurate.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2006, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
Fine except for one problem: You're assuming Heckert will still be there.
Ha! OK, if he's not there, that part of the bet is null and void.
You like cement mixers?
Bailey's & Lime Juice, right? Ugh.
I'll do it, though.
Just kidding. I'll find something much worse by then.
You do realize you're betting he'll have 646+ yards receiving in the 2nd half of the season, right?
Yep. 80 yards/game +/- would do it.
Not likely but not impossible either. I have faith in Donte.
:deion
homer
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 04:11:08 PM
stallworth has played in 83% of his nfl games....not a bad number until you consider that hes missed virtually all those games with the same injury (hamstrings)
id rather have a guy whos missed 70-75% of his games with random ish than have a guy with chronic johnsons
Exactly. Random injuries aren't something that has to do with a player being injury prone. You get some bad luck, land the wrong ways, get tackled/hit awkwardly, you get injured (Westbrook, McNabb). When you're chronically injure the same area of your body 3 out of the 5 years you've been in the league (Buckhalter, Stallworth), then there should be cause for concern. Of course the differnece between a guy like Buckhalter and Stallworth is a minor, nagging hammy problem vs. three blown out knees. Obviously, Stallworth's stock didn't drop nearly as much as Buck's did after he blew out his knes.
Stallworth won't break 950....Reggie might though. Might.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
Ah so I see how it is. You change your tune once you have been proven wrong so that you sound like you know what you're talking about. Makes sense. Carry on.
Wrong about what, exactly? Everyone here knew the Eagles had/still have the potential to be a playoff team. Even you knew that. I've been saying since draft time that the Eagles can and probably will make the playoffs, if they play like they can and should play. I've ashed Reid on more then one occasion because I think he makes idiot play calls and doesn't run the ball enough, and I never said this team was "great".
So...... ??? You're proved to be totally wrong about Donte Stallworth, and you can't take it so you try and turn it around on me. Again, nice try.
D-
Weak effort.
This team is still overrated.
@Munson:
So, if every little thing goes ridiculously well, the Eagles are a playoff team, and if Donte Stallworth actually stays healthy, he's a star WR?
Yeah, and if Andy Reid lays off the lard and grease, he'll slim down to 190 lbs.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2006, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
Fine except for one problem: You're assuming Heckert will still be there.
Ha! OK, if he's not there, that part of the bet is null and void.
You like cement mixers?
Bailey's & Lime Juice, right? Ugh.
Correct
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2006, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
He played for 13 games in his first season and 11 in his second season. He missed 5 games in his second season and has already pretty much missed 4 or 5 this season already. His hamstring issues have been there, but have never really kept him out for big chunks of seasons.
5 out of 16 games = 31% or roughly 1/3
31% = big chunk of season
You = dumbass
This season he is on pace to miss like 10 games, which will have been more than he has missed in his entire career.
5 isn't a big chunk.
lol @ u
5 is a big chunk... when you only play 16 games. It's damn near a third of the season. Use your brain kiddo.
Screw all the percentage, lingring hammy shtein, I'm just glad he's healthy for the taterskins game.
FF, I know that winning a Superbowl is all that matters, and this doesn't look at all like a Superbowl team. Indy and the Pats look to me like the only bonafide Superbowl teams right now. I thought maybe the Bears in the NFC, but not. Who to you in the NFC looks to be a genuine Superbowl team right now?? New Orleans or Seattle? Atlanta?? They are good playoff teams, no more. And please don't say the friggen' Giants.
Get a win streak going, wait for the Giants to lose a few, and get into the playoffs. Then start thinking about a Superbowl.
I don't think it was a coincidence that the Eagles started losing when Stallworth went down. I'm not writing this team off just yet. Lets see how the second half of the season pans out.
Just to be clear, I have no illusions about Stallworth getting close to 950. No way he does it. But since this season is basically in the toilet, I figured what the hell, I might as well have something to root for the rest of the way, and Stallworth getting 950 is a hell of a lot more likely than the Eagles making the playoffs at this juncture.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 09, 2006, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2006, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: King Cole on November 09, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
He played for 13 games in his first season and 11 in his second season. He missed 5 games in his second season and has already pretty much missed 4 or 5 this season already. His hamstring issues have been there, but have never really kept him out for big chunks of seasons.
5 out of 16 games = 31% or roughly 1/3
31% = big chunk of season
You = dumbass
This season he is on pace to miss like 10 games, which will have been more than he has missed in his entire career.
5 isn't a big chunk.
lol @ u
5 is a big chunk... when you only play 16 games. It's damn near a third of the season. Use your brain kiddo.
Think about who you're talking to bro. Ain't gonna happen.
Wrong about what, exactly?
werent you the one all over basketts sack...and how he was gonna put up numbers with stallworth out and he was only gonna get better and he catches everything and will cure aids
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
Just to be clear, I have no illusions about Stallworth getting close to 950. No way he does it. But since this season is basically in the toilet, I figured what the hell, I might as well have something to root for the rest of the way, and Stallworth getting 950 is a hell of a lot more likely than the Eagles making the playoffs at this juncture.
You're gonna get DRUNK!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 07:32:42 PM
Wrong about what, exactly?
werent you the one all over basketts sack...and how he was gonna put up numbers with stallworth out and he was only gonna get better and he catches everything and will cure aids
I think you're exaggerating a little there, IGY. No one ever said he catches everything. Quit trying to flip the script dawg.
it actually was worse than that because baskett really shouldnt be in the nfl and he was talkin like he deserved to be a starter and would get numbers in that role when stallworth went down
hanky poo has nine catches in eight games
why are you so negative?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 07:55:03 PM
it actually was worse than that because baskett really shouldnt be in the nfl and he was talkin like he deserved to be a starter and would get numbers in that role when stallworth went down
hanky poo has nine catches in eight games
Tell me you didn't miss my sarcasm.
you mean you really didnt think he cured aids?
Santana Moss is a guy who has hamstring problems too. He was disappointing in New York because he couldn't stay healthy. Him and Stallworth are somewhat comparable in that they both faltered in their first stop in the NFL and both have hammy issues.
Their numbers are pretty close too.
he did in fact cure AIDS...but when he went to take the cure to the people who could mass produce it, he was too slow and missed the elevator. and then walking down the steps he dropped the test tube and the cure was lost :'(
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2006, 07:56:37 PM
why are you so negative?
Eagles
Phillies
Flyers
Sixers
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he did in fact cure AIDS...but when he went to take the cure to the people who could mass produce it, he was too slow and missed the elevator. and then walking down the steps he dropped the test tube and the cure was lost
you are an IDIOT!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 07:55:03 PM
it actually was worse than that because baskett really shouldnt be in the nfl and he was talkin like he deserved to be a starter and would get numbers in that role when stallworth went down
hanky poo has nine catches in eight games
Hank did well in the the first couple of games he started for Stallworth, but his and LJ Smith's production has trailed off the last few weeks, as has the offense's as a whole. His looks will continute to go up as the season goes on and he gains expierence...but he won't, obviously, get the looks he'd get as a starter.
Clown.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2006, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
Just to be clear, I have no illusions about Stallworth getting close to 950. No way he does it. But since this season is basically in the toilet, I figured what the hell, I might as well have something to root for the rest of the way, and Stallworth getting 950 is a hell of a lot more likely than the Eagles making the playoffs at this juncture.
You're gonna get DRUNK!
DONE!
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2006, 04:32:42 PM
Just kidding. I'll find something much worse by then.
You do realize you're betting he'll have 646+ yards receiving in the 2nd half of the season, right?
Three Wise Men :puke
Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Old Granddad? Meh. It's just whiskey, basically.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 10, 2006, 11:15:34 AM
Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Old Granddad? Meh. It's just whiskey, basically.
Jim, Jack, and Jose
Jose? Yikes. That's nasty.
Indeed it is. I'm just trying to help.
Forest Fire:
3/4 shot everclear grain alcohol
1/4 shot tabasco sauce
Ha! Wrong thread, hippy.
I just started a thread for this. Putz.
A cement mixer and a forest fire would probably lead to a healthy barf. I thought I would offer this up to FF since Stallworth isn't going to get half that number for the rest of the season.
I'll spell it out next time for those of you posting with plastic helmets on.
OK, I'm a new guy here...but, Has anybody equated this trade, at least partially with the Eagles slide? They trade Simoneau and Thomas to the Saints for Stallworth. They both know the Eagle defense and offense inside and out. The other teams follow that lead. ??? Stallworth doesn't even play in the game >:( and hasn't had a big game since? Hmmm, seems to be a good trade, but may have started this 3 game losing streak and then hw stays injured. Stallworth better start doing something and fast! Might look like a better deal next year...
The simple fact that you got a good player for Sims and Hollis is amazing in itself. When healthy Stallworth is amazing, he just needs to be consistent w/catching the ball. He has a similar skill set to Steve Smith with the speed and quick moves.
Get your drink on, beyotch.
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:-D
Quote from: Yeti on November 10, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
Forest Fire:
3/4 shot everclear grain alcohol
1/4 shot tabasco sauce
Mmm....Everclear. :drool
Quote from: Yeti on November 08, 2006, 09:10:17 AM
Stallworth is as valuable as real estate in new orleans.
new orleans Baton Rouge
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 12, 2006, 05:37:04 PM
Get your drink on, beyotch.
There's still a lot of season for him to injure himself in.
There's still a lot of season left for him to score more td's and get a lot more receiving yards. He had a hell of a day yesterday even if it was against the 30th ranked passing defense and in the pouring rain.
6 rec. 139 yds. 1 td. 84 long.
I'll take that line anyday. Like I said before, it isn't just a coincidence that this team lost three in a row when he was injured.
Then the Eagles extended the wrong WR. Reggie's contract wasn't even up after this season. Donte's is.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 13, 2006, 07:15:50 AM
Then the Eagles extended the wrong WR. Reggie's contract wasn't even up after this season. Donte's is.
I agree. If Stallworth plays the rest of the season and has games like yesterday, it will take top dollar to sign him, bad hamstrings and all.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 12, 2006, 11:46:59 AM
The simple fact that you got a good player for Sims and Hollis is amazing in itself. When healthy Stallworth is amazing, he just needs to be consistent w/catching the ball. He has a similar skill set to Steve Smith with the speed and quick moves.
Hollis wasn't part of the Stallworth trade. He was used to get the pick for Max Jean-Gilles in the draft.
If the Eagles are able to sign him, I think the trade worked out equally well for both teams, since NO didn't need Stallworth & got some MLB help plus a decent pick next year, while we got the WR we needed (when healthy).
Quote from: shorebird on November 13, 2006, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 13, 2006, 07:15:50 AM
Then the Eagles extended the wrong WR. Reggie's contract wasn't even up after this season. Donte's is.
I agree. If Stallworth plays the rest of the season
I see a flaw here...
Yeah, thats a bigger IF than Eagle fans would like it to be.
If Stallworth plays the rest of the season and has games like yesterday, it will take top dollar to sign him, bad hamstrings and all.
i dont think so...this past offseason new orleans had trouble giving him away and could only get a special teamer and a 4th round pick from a team with the worst wr's in the league
he will get paid but its not going to be top dollar...his bad reputation and injury history will see that it doesnt happen
It's a shame Donte hasn't stayed healthy all season. He'd undoubtedly be locked up by now.
I don't care about his injury history, they need to resign this guy.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2006, 08:42:38 AM
I don't care about his injury history, they need to resign this guy.
No, what they need is an offensive weapon who can stay on the field. I love what Stallworth is doing when he plays, but what is the point of signing a player that you can't rely on to a big contract? And you'd better believe that he's going to want his money.
dont know if its been brought up on the board but did anyone see the inky article this weekend that talked about how his hammy problems go all the way back to high school
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2006, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2006, 08:42:38 AM
I don't care about his injury history, they need to resign this guy.
No, what they need is an offensive weapon who can stay on the field. I love what Stallworth is doing when he plays, but what is the point of signing a player that you can't rely on to a big contract? And you'd better believe that he's going to want his money.
Exactly right.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2006, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2006, 08:42:38 AM
I don't care about his injury history, they need to resign this guy.
No, what they need is an offensive weapon who can stay on the field. I love what Stallworth is doing when he plays, but what is the point of signing a player that you can't rely on to a big contract? And you'd better believe that he's going to want his money.
I agree with you in principle. But at the same time, I'd really like to see the Eagles bring him back next year at a, shall we say, slightly better than fair price.
I doubt he'd ever agree to it, but maybe an incentive based deal that would offer big time dollars based on games and/or snaps played. That way, he gets paid the big bucks if he plays in 14-16 games.
It'll never happen but I can dream.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2006, 08:42:38 AM
I don't care about his injury history, they need to resign this guy.
Rosenhaus... :(
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 13, 2006, 07:15:50 AM
Then the Eagles extended the wrong WR. Reggie's contract wasn't even up after this season. Donte's is.
Rosenhaus... >:(
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 14, 2006, 08:20:15 AM
he will get paid but its not going to be top dollar...his bad reputation and injury history will see that it doesnt happen
Rosenhaus... :boom
change that last one from rosenhaus to snyder and i might agree
I think they'll re-sign him. The fact that he hasn't been on the field for 4 games will help Banner justify the lowball offer he'll undoubtedly start off with. Stallworth loves this team and McNabb and he wants to win so I think he'll end up signing a fair deal. Not a Reggie Wayne type deal, but something more along the lines of what Reggie Brown got, probably a little more in the SB department.
Plus they will want to wait to sign him so they only give up a 4 and not a 3.
Stallworth loves this team and McNabb
lol
Seriously...thats all he talks about is how he loves being here and on a winning team.
Uh oh. IGY & Phreak are gonna throw down...
Gets popcorn ready...
id love them too if i knew they had a zillion dollars under the cap to sign me
ill bet you this tho...he loves them a little less than whoever offers him more money next march
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 14, 2006, 10:54:15 AM
he loves them a little less than whoever offers him more money next march
Exactly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 14, 2006, 10:54:15 AM
id love them too if i knew they had a zillion dollars under the cap to sign me
ill bet you this tho...he loves them a little less than whoever offers him more money next march
No doubt. Money talks. But he seems to dig being here and seems to want to stay. I hope they keep him. Bum hammy or not, having him and Reggie in there gives them a solid 1-2 punch and re-signing him would allow them to not have to worry about getting another WR for awhile.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 14, 2006, 11:09:10 AM
re-signing him would allow them to not have to worry about getting another WR for awhile.
They never worried about that in the first place.
Someone should post a list of available WR free agents next year. I have to think Stallworth tops the list.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 14, 2006, 11:46:25 AM
Someone should post a list of available WR free agents next year. I have to think Stallworth tops the list.
That's my thinking too. There's almost no way that the Eagles are going to get away with lowballing him at all if they wait until March/April to resign him. Because what's going to happen is some second tier reciever is going to sign a huge contract like Randle El did. That will immediately drive up Stallworth's price tag.
Sign him now, give up the 3rd pick and save some friggin cash.
if he is indeed the best fa wr out there then hes gone
a. hed be stupid to sign with the eagles and not take advantage of a sellers market
b. if he hits the open market hes 100% gone as the eagles dont enter bidding wars for ANYONE
I'd like to think he knows that Donovan can make him a star and that by staying in this offensive he'll make all the money he wants!
Maybe I'm naive but that's the way I see it............
Quote from: 4and26 on November 14, 2006, 01:07:03 PM
I'd like to think he knows that Donovan can make him a star and that by staying in this offensive he'll make all the money he wants!
Maybe I'm naive but that's the way I see it............
Naive... Please name the last player worth a shtein who did that? The leather helmet days do not count.
The Eagles are going to be I think 2nd overall in total cap space after this season, so if he keeps making plays then I'm sure he'll re-sign.
Quote from: King Cole on November 14, 2006, 03:57:21 PM
The Eagles are going to be I think 2nd overall in total cap space after this season, so if he keeps making plays then I'm sure he'll re-sign.
Haha. Clown. Do you even pay attention to this team in the offseaso... fargit. Nevermind.
lol @ u
We don't go out and spend boat loads on other players but one thing we always do is re-sign our own guys if they are under 30 (excluding Trotter that one time).
Plus who says we wait until the offseason anyway? Plus they wouldn't have wanted to give up a 4th rounder for nothing and combined with the fact that he has become McNabb's favorite target when he is on the field.
Sure thing. They always extend their one-year rental players. There's definitely a track record of that. Definitely. Idiot.
Yeah, because they get so many one year rentals with youth all the time to make a judgement. Moron.
They're definitely waiting on the Joe Banner Blue Light Special on Donte'. He knows he can get the Chronic Hammy Discount. :yay
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2006, 09:21:33 AM
I hope they can resign him. Then spend the offseason working on his hamstring and conditioning. When healthy he's been a force in this offense. He does need to work with the jugs machine after every practice though.
I wiash someone would invent a Juggs machine that does what it sounds like it should. i would staf after practice every day...
Quote from: methdeez on November 15, 2006, 05:29:14 PM
I wiash someone would invent a Juggs machine that does what it sounds like it should. i would staf after practice every day...
Drunk.
Shurrup.
You drunk at 5:30 makes me hella jealous.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 15, 2006, 07:22:47 PM
You drunk at 5:30 makes me hella jealous.
Especially since it was 2:30 my time. Ahhh.. unemployment.
I take it back. Call me a republican, but I'd rather be employed and sober than unemployed and drunk.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2006, 03:53:05 PM
I take it back. Call me a republican, but I'd rather be employed and sober than unemployed and drunk.
You're what's wrong with America.
i'm semi-unemployed. I'm looking for a new job, but I've been getting paid $200-$400 a day 1-2 days a week to help some pro. photographer take pixtures of models.
So take that.
You know the job isn't as cool when the models are dudes, right?
Says you. I'm a super-fag.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2006, 03:53:05 PM
I take it back. Call me a republican, but I'd rather be employed and sober than unemployed and drunk.
:-D :-D Thats funny, but a lot of republicans are employed and drunk, which is the best of both worlds.
donte in the studio with eskin right now
asked about the contract he said he hasnt talked about it but will now for the first time
two years ago says he traded himself to the eagles on madden so he could play with mcnabb
its a dream come true being in philly....says when he got traded there were lots of players on no that said take me with you and how lucky he was
loves the city
is blowing lurie
plans on being an eagle
sounds like an infomercial to try and get a new contract
but im lovin it....yes im a sucka
hes gonna take calls after the break
SIGN DONTE!!!!
I'm sold.
Plus, it's nice to have a WR that can actually create separation and make plays, even if he has a bum hammy.
I love what he's saying, but we've heard it before to a certian extent.
The Press: Why did you want to come to Philly?
TO: Two reasons, the coach and the quarterback.
Really though, I love the guy, but he will have to take the Eagles offer over others, imo. Which means he'll have to turn down more money.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2006, 04:57:31 PM
donte in the studio with eskin right now
asked about the contract he said he hasnt talked about it but will now for the first time
two years ago says he traded himself to the eagles on madden so he could play with mcnabb
its a dream come true being in philly....says when he got traded there were lots of players on no that said take me with you and how lucky he was
loves the city
is blowing lurie
plans on being an eagle
sounds like an infomercial to try and get a new contract
but im lovin it....yes im a sucka
I'm with you on that one. He says all the right things whenever a mike is thrown in his face and he actually brings a speed dimension to this offense that we can't pass up after this season.
At age 26 (which he's been all of a week)... he's exactly the type of WR we need to sign long term so the Eagles can assure themselves of having 2 quality WR's for the next few years.
the best was when he said he likes Reid because he's his own coach, not a new coach trying to mimic a coach he used to work under, ha!
scoreboard in case no ones counting
live in studio call in radio interviews during eagle career
donte stallworth 1
donovan mcnabb 0
Wasn't counting, but thanks anyway.
he says all the right things, and it sounds like he means it. The guy is a good player, they need to get him signed before FA starts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 08:00:57 AM
scoreboard in case no ones counting
live in studio call in radio interviews during eagle career
donte stallworth 1
donovan mcnabb 0
scoreboard in case no ones counting
had same radio station send 30 of the stupidest Philadelphians to NFL draft to boo their selection
donovan mcnabb 1
donte stallworth 0
Quote from: Beermonkey on November 18, 2006, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 08:00:57 AM
scoreboard in case no ones counting
live in studio call in radio interviews during eagle career
donte stallworth 1
donovan mcnabb 0
scoreboard in case no ones counting
had same radio station send 30 of the stupidest Philadelphians to NFL draft to boo their selection
donovan mcnabb 1
donte stallworth 0
B-b-b-but he should be over that by now! It's been 8 years! Let it go![/Cataldi]
WIP was blasting away at him again this week because his parents were on DNL and were asked about the incident (again) and they again said it was BS.
It's funny to hear the Dirty 30 WIP McNabb hater crowd try to justify the booing. And then they get mad when its brought up because it makes them look like idiots.
justifying the booing now is stupid...at the same time everyone in the world knows they were booing the pick not donovan...except somehow donovan and his fam...for the love of god get over it you little four year old actin bama
angelo has profusely apologized for it...the fact that mcnabbs parents are still on dnl ripping the city is all you need to know about that family...her saying this week that all philly fans do is run people out of town then embrace them when they are gone was uncalled for...shut your hole tramp
because of idiocy like that donovan will never be loved or respected in the city even if he wins a superbowl...the sad part being if he ever does it will be a bunch of told you so's by the mcnabbs...not talk of doing it for the city ala ike reese brian dawkins and others
the mcnabbs are dangerously close to be lindros like...the difference being the flyers didnt coddle lindros like the eagles do mcnabb
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 04:51:19 PM
because of idiocy like that donovan will never be loved or respected in the city even if he wins a superbowl...the sad part being if he ever does it will be a bunch of told you so's by the mcnabbs...not talk of doing it for the city ala ike reese brian dawkins and others
You're an idiot, Bunkley.
They should rip the city.
It's full of idiots.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 04:51:19 PM
justifying the booing now is stupid...at the same time everyone in the world knows they were booing the pick not donovan...except somehow donovan and his fam...for the love of god get over it you little four year old actin bama
angelo has profusely apologized for it...the fact that mcnabbs parents are still on dnl ripping the city is all you need to know about that family...her saying this week that all philly fans do is run people out of town then embrace them when they are gone was uncalled for...shut your hole tramp
because of idiocy like that donovan will never be loved or respected in the city even if he wins a superbowl...the sad part being if he ever does it will be a bunch of told you so's by the mcnabbs...not talk of doing it for the city ala ike reese brian dawkins and others
the mcnabbs are dangerously close to be lindros like...the difference being the flyers didnt coddle lindros like the eagles do mcnabb
Stop.
I don't care how much Angelo has apologized. He still pimps that as the "greatest radio promotion" ever and takes every pat on the back when given credit.
I also don't care if they were booing the pick or not. Anyone with a brain in their head knew that they did not need a RB and desperately needed a QB. So wanting Williams was stupid from the get go.
In fairness to the McNabb's they were asked about it by Barkann. If he doesn't bring it up then they don't talk about it.
And so what if they are still resentful towards the people for that? It was stupid and despite the involved parties being apologetic there are
still dopes who hate on McNabb and would like to run him outta town. So its obvious that not everyone has accepted him and its downright ridiculous. And Philadelphia fans and the media do run players outta here.
And when he does win a Super Bowl, he deserves to give the "I told you so" finger to those who have doubted him. I know I will be doing it.
If I was a receiver I would love Reid and McNabb too. Whats not to love about pass happy when your a receiver
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 04:51:19 PM
justifying the booing now is stupid...at the same time everyone in the world knows they were booing the pick not donovan...except somehow donovan and his fam...for the love of god get over it you little four year old actin bama
angelo has profusely apologized for it...the fact that mcnabbs parents are still on dnl ripping the city is all you need to know about that family...her saying this week that all philly fans do is run people out of town then embrace them when they are gone was uncalled for...shut your hole tramp
because of idiocy like that donovan will never be loved or respected in the city even if he wins a superbowl...the sad part being if he ever does it will be a bunch of told you so's by the mcnabbs...not talk of doing it for the city ala ike reese brian dawkins and others
the mcnabbs are dangerously close to be lindros like...the difference being the flyers didnt coddle lindros like the eagles do mcnabb
??? If I were McNabb, I'd have already pointed the I told you so finger at the idiots at WIP. Look what we have compared to what the Saints and Dolphins had. Mike Ditka made possibly the worst trade ever.
You say that the way Dmac and his family reacted says all we need to know about them? Well........the fact you try and smooth out what Angelos and the Dirty Thirty with that idiot Shaun did and twist it around to try and make the McNabbs look like the bad guys says all anyone needs to know about you, I'd say.
i dont think they did anything wrong...they bused up a bunch of drunk raucous eagle fans who wanted ricky williams...so they ended up wanting the wrong guy...big deal....phreak had dhani jones as his break out player of the year last season...isnt that worse??
yous are more feminine than mrs mcwhine...get over it
her and her families constant ripping of eagle fans and the city 8 YEARS LATER! is sickening and it needs to stop...and if you defend her and her her milktoast sons actions then youre justas bad....
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 10:09:40 PM
i dont think they did anything wrong...they bused up a bunch of drunk raucous eagle fans who wanted ricky williams...so they ended up wanting the wrong guy...big deal....phreak had dhani jones as his break out player of the year last season...isnt that worse??
yous are more feminine than mrs mcwhine...get over it
her and her families constant ripping of eagle fans and the city 8 YEARS LATER! is sickening and it needs to stop...and if you defend her and her her milktoast sons actions then youre justas bad....
How can you say that you don't think they did anything wrong when their drunken' asses made fools of themselves and embaressed the whole city of Philadelphia and it's entire fan base on national television?
And as far as Dmac's mom ripping Eagle fans, eight years later it's sickening that their are fans who hold up signs at the link that say "Bench the Stillupfront".
What the hell are you talking about when you say I defend Dmacs actions so I'm just as bad as he is? What actions of his need defending by me?? I'm just as bad as exactly what?? Are you drunk?? With stupid comments like that post it's fans like you that make all other Eagle fans look like dumbasses.
How can you say that you don't think they did anything wrong when their drunken' asses made fools of themselves and embaressed the whole city of Philadelphia and it's entire fan base on national television?
what did they do that was so wrong....they booed a pick that they didnt like...the jets and giant fans do it every single year and those players dont seem to care
the national media jumped all over the eagle fans booing and ran with it...and people like you and phreak believe it...how is what the media did about that day any different than them bringing up the booing santa claus ad nauseum....yet im sure youre anti media when it come to that so why fall into their trap when its about the drat that day
it was really no big deal....yet for some reason 8 years later the mcnabbs and people like you cant let it go
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 10:46:30 PM
what did they do that was so wrong....they booed a pick that they didnt like...the jets and giant fans do it every single year and those players dont seem to care
There has never been anything done like what those idiots did. And for Ricky Williams, of all players. Can't you see how ridiculously stupid that makes them look? That dumbass shoulderpad Shaun and the rest of those nutcases from WIP?
I don't get to listen to Angelos much, but I did read the book,
If Football is a Religion, then why don't we have a prayer?. My daughter bought if for me for Fathers day mistakenly thinking I'd like it because it was about the Eagles. It was the worst piece of garbage I've ever seen in print. Angelos is a sick puppy, and most of the people that go on his show doing all those idiotic stunts are retards.
And you defend these neanderthals and put down the best quarterback that this franchise has ever had. You don't deserve to have Donovan McNabb as quarterback for your team. You aren't worthy.
There has never been anything done like what those idiots did.
you obviously have never watched giant or jet fans at the draft
And for Ricky Williams, of all players. Can't you see how ridiculously stupid that makes them look? That dumbass shoulderpad Shaun and the rest of those nutcases from WIP?
hindsight is 20/20...of course its easy to say now that wanting rickey was the wrong call...thats not the point
I don't get to listen to Angelos much, but I did read the book, If Football is a Religion, then why don't we have a prayer?. My daughter bought if for me for Fathers day mistakenly thinking I'd like it because it was about the Eagles. It was the worst piece of garbage I've ever seen in print. Angelos is a sick puppy, and most of the people that go on his show doing all those idiotic stunts are retards.
angelo didnt write that book
good night
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2006, 10:09:40 PM
i dont think they did anything wrong...they bused up a bunch of drunk raucous eagle fans who wanted ricky williams...so they ended up wanting the wrong guy...big deal....phreak had dhani jones as his break out player of the year last season...isnt that worse??
yous are more feminine than mrs mcwhine...get over it
her and her families constant ripping of eagle fans and the city 8 YEARS LATER! is sickening and it needs to stop...and if you defend her and her her milktoast sons actions then youre justas bad....
I'm thinking that maybe it's you that needs to 'man up' and "get over it," ig.
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This thread going in the direction of Jets and Giants fans to justify Eagle booing merely points to how farged up North Easterners are.... holla!
So IGY is a Redskisn fan AND a member of the Dirty Thirty? ???
In his subconscious mind, he's pissed that the Skins lost last week and it's affecting his conscious thought and judgment.
Anywayz, I look for Donte' to have a big game today. Other than Bwest, he is the final piece of the puzzle that will enable the Eagles to make a playoff run.
Eagles working an extension with Stallworth? (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17486812&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6)
QuoteLast week the speculation was the Eagles had written Donte' Stallworth out of their future by writing a five-year contract extension for second-year wide receiver Reggie Brown. Privately the Eagles denied that was the case and for good reason. A source said they've had contract discussions with the Stallworth.
Stallworth, with one year left on his contract, said the Eagles are the perfect situation for him. From quarterback Donovan McNabb to Andy Reid, Stallworth believes he has a chance to contribute and win each and every week.
Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined comment when asked about a new deal for his client. Like Stallworth, Rosenhaus thinks there's a chance something could be worked out before the end of the season, although the Eagles obviously are in the driver's seat.
"We'll take it one day at a time," Rosenhaus said.
The Eagles want to see how Stallworth responds the rest of the season, although they were happy last week when he sparked the club to a blowout of the taterskins with six catches for 139 yards, including an 84-yard touchdown.
In five games with the Eagles, Stallworth has 21 receptions for 443 yards, three TDs and a league-leading average of 23.2 yards per catch. The rub is that Stallworth has missed four of nine games with a strained hamstring.
Despite the injury concerns, the Eagles aren't going to get Donte' Stallworth for anything close to Reggie Brown money. Brown's five-year extension is worth a respectable $21 million, including $10 million in bonuses. With $6 million in incentives, the pact could total $27 million.
Stallworth's price has been higher since the Eagles acquired him from New Orleans for linebacker Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth-round pick that improves to a third-rounder if the receiver re-signs with the Eagles.
While the Eagles like Brown's upside -- he's averaging 19.3 yards per grab and has five TDs in nine games -- they immediately made Stallworth the No. 1 guy.
Stallworth was among a handful of No. 1 caliber receivers the Eagles pursued in the offseason, a list with Javon Walker, Eric Moulds and Ashley Lelie. Walker is in Denver, Moulds in Houston and Lelie in Atlanta.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2006, 05:41:23 PM
Eagles working an extension with Stallworth? (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17486812&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6)
QuoteLast week the speculation was the Eagles had written Donte' Stallworth out of their future by writing a five-year contract extension for second-year wide receiver Reggie Brown. Privately the Eagles denied that was the case and for good reason. A source said they've had contract discussions with the Stallworth.
Stallworth, with one year left on his contract, said the Eagles are the perfect situation for him. From quarterback Donovan McNabb to Andy Reid, Stallworth believes he has a chance to contribute and win each and every week.
Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined comment when asked about a new deal for his client. Like Stallworth, Rosenhaus thinks there's a chance something could be worked out before the end of the season, although the Eagles obviously are in the driver's seat.
"We'll take it one day at a time," Rosenhaus said.
The Eagles want to see how Stallworth responds the rest of the season, although they were happy last week when he sparked the club to a blowout of the taterskins with six catches for 139 yards, including an 84-yard touchdown.
In five games with the Eagles, Stallworth has 21 receptions for 443 yards, three TDs and a league-leading average of 23.2 yards per catch. The rub is that Stallworth has missed four of nine games with a strained hamstring.
Despite the injury concerns, the Eagles aren't going to get Donte' Stallworth for anything close to Reggie Brown money. Brown's five-year extension is worth a respectable $21 million, including $10 million in bonuses. With $6 million in incentives, the pact could total $27 million.
Stallworth's price has been higher since the Eagles acquired him from New Orleans for linebacker Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth-round pick that improves to a third-rounder if the receiver re-signs with the Eagles.
While the Eagles like Brown's upside -- he's averaging 19.3 yards per grab and has five TDs in nine games -- they immediately made Stallworth the No. 1 guy.
Stallworth was among a handful of No. 1 caliber receivers the Eagles pursued in the offseason, a list with Javon Walker, Eric Moulds and Ashley Lelie. Walker is in Denver, Moulds in Houston and Lelie in Atlanta.
Good. Get him locked up.
Agreed, speed kills. This is one step in 500 steps to next season. Still a lot of work to do.
I just realized something.
If we let Stallworth walk he will likely net us a 4th round pick in compensation especially if he plays the rest of the year. Meaning we basically just gave up Simoneau for a year of Stallworth.
Who farging cares? farg Donte' Stallworth. This whole farging team sucks ass.
can't wait to see stallworth outrunning noodle armed garcia passes for the rest of the season. maybe that will drive his asking price down when his stats start to drop.
He might even play 3 more games this season.
After the game last night I'm definitely on the sign Stallworth bandwagon. He was/is clearly the best receiver on the team.
Those catches were pretty sick. Dude is surely a gamer. The hamstring thing is a concern. It's almost every year it acts up. Reggie Brown is living up to the hype as well. When Stallworth is healthy, they combine to make a pretty good duo.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on December 05, 2006, 08:45:30 PM
Those catches were pretty sick. Dude is surely a gamer. The hamstring thing is a concern. It's almost every year it acts up. Reggie Brown is living up to the hype as well. When Stallworth is healthy, they combine to make a pretty good duo.
He's missed extended time (3+ games) because of his hamstring twice.
They still need to bring him back. I hope they don't get stupid and let him go.
As AR official sponsor, I'd like to fully convey the fact that there is 0 percent chance the team re-signs Donte because we're incredibly excited about the future Greg Lewis has and think he excelled as the guy last year. We're just excited to see him back in that go-to WR role. :yay
Oh, and we'd also like to officially condem PPinDC for hijacking this terrible avatar. :evil
How much is Donte Stall worth?
Oh god.
MDS: kill yourself
Everyone else: It would be great if the team could sign Stallworth... to a contract worthy of someone who is guaranteed to play 12 games a year. He will be the best receiver on the field... for 12 games a year. Just like Westbrook is the best RB on the field... for 14 games a year. These farging fragile offensive weapons are enough to make me vomit on my keyboard.
Bottom line? The Eagles won't sign him. Someone else will and their fans will bitch when he gets hurt every year.
Dwyane Jerrit. Donte Stallworthless. Bahaha.
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2006, 09:31:33 PM
How much is Donte Stall worth?
Oh god.
What the?? Die.
He should be signed for whatever it takes to keep him.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
Just to be clear, I have no illusions about Stallworth getting close to 950. No way he does it. But since this season is basically in the toilet, I figured what the hell, I might as well have something to root for the rest of the way, and Stallworth getting 950 is a hell of a lot more likely than the Eagles making the playoffs at this juncture.
I are smurt.
:poison
Quote from: Diomedes on December 06, 2006, 09:07:17 AM
He should be signed for whatever it takes to keep him.
3/4, or 12/16 of starting WR money.
Look at our options people...would you rather have the same corp, minus stallworth? Hell no. So a gimpy Stallworth is still our best option. If AR still decides to be pass happy we need Stallworth. If AR changes his gameplan and goes to run first, I think we can get away with a Reggie Brown type guy, cause he has shown this year he can break away from time to time. In reality nothign will change...so Stallworth is our best bet.
Quote from: mussa on December 06, 2006, 11:20:56 AM
Look at our options people...would you rather have the same corp, minus stallworth? Hell no. So a gimpy Stallworth is still our best option. If AR still decides to be pass happy we need Stallworth. If AR changes his gameplan and goes to run first, I think we can get away with a Reggie Brown type guy, cause he has shown this year he can break away from time to time. In reality nothign will change...so Stallworth is our best bet.
Exactly. Do you really want Reid to try and draft a WR again as a replacement? Na Brown, Troy Smith (not the QB), Gari Scott, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, Freddie Milons, Billy McMullen, Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom. 1 out of 10. Not good odds.
No one is saying that they don't want Stallworth, we're just saying that he almost certainly won't be resigned. Reality.
i am a believer!
I just went through a list of prospective free agent WR's here... (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsWR.html) and it doesn't look good at all.
:paranoid
Get Boerigter.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 06, 2006, 11:34:29 AM
No one is saying that they don't want Stallworth, we're just saying that he almost certainly won't be resigned. Reality.
Call me a dumb farg... but why is it an almost certainty he won't be resigned?
IMO... he's just the kind of guy the Eagles like to sign and keep for years:
1. Young
2. Fast
3. Somtimes shaky hands
4. Oft injured
Dumb farg.
Thanks... nice to know someone can follow directions.
Seriously though, the list of WR's for 2007 looks pitiful. Strangely, Stallworth's name isn't on it.
before you wanna toss big bucks at donte dont forget that hank baskett should really come into his own next year
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 06, 2006, 11:40:35 AM
I just went through a list of prospective free agent WR's here... (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsWR.html) and it doesn't look good at all.
:paranoid
The linebacker list looks good though.
What? It's
possible the Eagles address the lack of playmakers in the linebacking corps.
James Darling, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 06, 2006, 11:40:35 AM
I just went through a list of prospective free agent WR's here... (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsWR.html) and it doesn't look good at all.
:paranoid
Damn!
Give Stallworth whatever he wants. Like I said before... in the end, it Stallworth it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2006, 12:01:08 PM
James Darling, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
I was hoping more for the likes of Lance Briggs or London Fletcher (even though he's old he's still kicking a lot o' ass) or Adalius Thomas, but Darling would probably still be better than the current personnel.
Feva, there are a couple of other things that Stallworth is that the front office NEVER goes for.
- a wide receiver
- looking for "#1" money (probably)
- talented (kidding)
But seriously, this team doesn't sign WRs to big money. And I don't see why they would buck that trend with Stallworth.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 06, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
But seriously, this team doesn't sign WRs to big money. And I don't see why they would buck that trend with Stallworth.
If I remember right, they were prepared to offer Javon Walker retarded money if that trade went through. Somewhere over a $12-15 mill signing bonus, possibly more. TO wasn't cheap either.
I just think they are particular about who they'd offer it to though. If the guy fits the system, is young & is in the top 10-15 in his position, I thnk they'd throw the money at him.
That begs the question:
Is Stallworth a top 10-15 receiver in the league? Talent wise I'd say yes. Stat wise I'd say no.
We have a predicament on our hands.
The ball is in Banner's court. That's never a good thing. :(
We have the money. No point why we can't get him what he wants. The FO needs to realize this and I think they do. He'll be re-signed or extended. If not farg the system
Quote from: rjs246 on December 06, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
- talented (kidding)
You were kidding but it still made me sad...
I don't think Stallworth is a top 10 receiver. Maybe top 15, but even that is questionable. The numbers don't lie. He may be fast but he's fragile and hasn't produced consistently.
He might not be in the top-15 in the NFL but he's better than anyone else we have, could possibly get in the draft or otherwise obtain via free agency.
Sign him.
NOW.
who gives a crap what his wr ranking is....outside of westbrook hes the only real playmaker on the team (offense or defense)....he makes them much better
We have the money. No point why we can't get him what he wants
It burns when I poop
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2006, 01:31:11 PM
It burns when I pee
You're welcome.
As for Stallworth, I look at it like this:
I don't advocate spending money simply for the sake of spending money ala Danny Boy. However, when it comes down to it Stallworth is the best available player at his position that the Eagles can get. No FA for next year is worth a damn and the draft class isn't overly impressive either. Besides, this team needs a veteran in it's recieving corps who can take on some sort of leadership role.
Given that, I say pay the dude. And if you have to "over pay" a little then so be it. Take a fair contract offer and add a couple mil to it. It's not going to break the bank either way and the bottom line is that there are probably at least a dozen teams out there willing to over pay for the guy. There's no denying that the offense runs better when he's on the field than it does when he's off. He may be an injury risk but it's not like the Eagles are sitting in a position where they can't afford to take a risk or 2. Infact, I'd say they're in a position where they NEED to be risk takers to try and re-establish themselves as a dominant team again.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 06, 2006, 01:30:18 PM
He might not be in the top-15 in the NFL but he's better than anyone else we have, could possibly get in the draft or otherwise obtain via free agency.
Sign him.
NOW.
Exactly. I'm usually in agreement with the front office in not overpaying for players. With Stallworth...as long as his contract isnt like $35+M give him whatever the hell he wants. I'm finally getting really fed up with the saving money shtein.
Looks like I may get drunk at training camp next year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2006, 08:27:52 AM
Looks like I may get drunk at training camp next year.
With or without those three shots, that's a given.
PS: Spadaro is gonna shtein when he sees that bill next year.
:-D
With the cap projected to be $116 by 2008, I don't think the Eagles will have an excuse not to sign Stallworth long term, unless they just don't want him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2689784
He's young, fast, and wants to play in Philly and wants to play with McNabb.
As mentioned earlier, he also has nagging injuries and drops balls every once in a while, so he's a perfect fit here.
dropped balls are the most overrated stat in sports and i hope its never brought up again on this board
Reggie Brown has worse hands than any other player in the league this year. He's dropped like 14 passes, all entirely his fault. I could have caught every one of 'em.
Stallworth has better hands.
igy is fat and blind
reggie brown didn't seem to have any drops on Monday, that was nice.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 07, 2006, 08:47:10 AMPS: Spadaro is gonna shtein when he sees that bill next year.
:-D
just let me know when and where
Quote from: SunMo on December 07, 2006, 12:59:05 PM
reggie brown didn't seem to have any drops on Monday, that was nice.
Don't get used to it.
When a WR can't catch it's cause for concern.
The distinction between a ball that would be tough to catch and a dropped ball should be pretty obvious.
When a WR can't catch it's cause for concern.
when youre billy mcmullen it matters...when youre reggie brown it doesnt...every wr in the league drops the ball...some more than others...thats the way it will be until the end of time...deal with it
So when you're big, slow and drop the ball you suck.
but when you run fast and drop the ball you're fine.
Got it.
Reggie Brown can make big plays. But his hands need to be more consistent. Obviously, you can't make plays unless you have possession of the ball. Reggie Brown has great talent, and he can even be better if he just works on his concentration. And that is something that can be fixed, or at least markedly improved.
Reggie Brown can make plays and has talent. Using the word great with him is stupid.
Also, he drops the ball like there's gonna be a bonus for it.
Great probably is pushing it...
He's no Gari Scott.
So when you're big, slow and drop the ball you suck.
but when you run fast and drop the ball you're fine.
Got it.
no
when you cant get open are a possesion wr just generally suck AND drop the ball youre done
when you scores lots of td's and make big plays and have some drops its fine
Chad. Johnson.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 07, 2006, 03:44:56 PM
Chad. Johnson.
Werd life. We'll end the debate for sure next year when Reggie is the #1 and Stallworth is playing for the Skins.
Cheggie Brownson bitches.
Fox. Johnson.
Howard. Johnson.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/ibescotty/hjohnson.jpg)
Quote from: Eaglez on December 07, 2006, 12:52:37 PM
With the cap projected to be $116 by 2008, I don't think the Eagles will have an excuse not to sign Stallworth long term, unless they just don't want him.
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What does the projected cap have anything to do with it? The cap goes up the same for every team. It's not the generic cap number that matters, but the relative amount of space that each team has under it that matters.
Today there was an article by Domowitch that the Eagles are 25th in cap room next year, meaning other teams will have more to spend and could outbid the Eagles. Of course, that stat is also unhelpful without knowing how many players each team has signed.
Teams that have more cap space relative to other teams are in the best position to sign players. If teams with WR needs are in better cap shape than the Eagles, they may have trouble keeping him.
the point is tho that the eagles have more than enough money to have signed him already....so there IS NO EXCUSE to not have done so....we all know when and if he hits the open market hes gone regardless of cap space
Stallworth is the best/most exciting WR other than you know who in a long, long time. He's not a headcase, he's not selfish, hes a straight shooter. Other than his injury issue, the guy performs when he's in the game. No reason to let him go. He should be signed long-term before the end of this season.
I don't think we are safe at WR though. Reggie Brown has been inconsistent, but has made some great plays. Baskett is worthless. LJ is worthless. Avant I'd like to see on the field in the slot more than Baskett. No one else is worth mentioning.
I'd like to see more Westbrook at WR and Buck at RB formations. Look how the Saints are utilizing Duce and Bush? They got them both on the field alot. No reason not to be doing the same with our guys. The RB situation is another topic...
I think we need another WR/TE via trade/free agency/draft nxt year.
Baskett, in his rookie season, is already deemed worthless?
Gimme a break dude. What do you want, ocho-cinqo?
Yeah, obviously relative cap space is what matters the most. I guess my assumptions are that (1) The Eagles are always good at managing the cap and (2) the increase in the overall cap space ($116 Million in 2008) will outpace the Eagles increase in total payroll, hence creating more relative cap space for the Eagles than compared to other teams.
However, I wasn't aware that the Eagles relative cap space was somewhat limited for next year, but that doesn't matter all too much.
If 5 million is devoted to rookies next year, and assuming that Darwin and Dhani are gone, the Eagles will roughly have 10 million cap space (12 - 5 + 3 = 10) but probably more like 8-9 factoring in all the odds and ends.
That should be plenty to tie up Stallworth. Also, depending on how their cap situation is in 2008, they could easily work around the 'minimal' cap space they are projected to have in 2007 and devote salary and bonuses to subsequent years.
Again, money shouldn't be a problem. The only problem is whether (1) Donte wants to say in Philly; which he indicated that he does, and (2) whether the FO wants to keep him around; which is seemingly what they plan to do. However, the ball is probably more in the court of the FO and whether they are going to get into a bidding war with other teams.
Looking at the WR FA class, if Stallworth continues having great games down the stretch, he is going to demand a lot of greenbacks -- recurring hamstring problems or not.
forget all that....they could have used the patterson money to tie up stallworth
no way...he's strong as bleep
The other concern is Stallworth is so young yet has so much NFL experience. After this season he'll be 26 (but he'll be 27 in Nov. 2007) with 5 years under his belt. Most players his age only have 2-3.
So he knows the NFL game, he's talented, and he still probably has his best years ahead of him.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 09, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
Just to be clear, I have no illusions about Stallworth getting close to 950. No way he does it. But since this season is basically in the toilet, I figured what the hell, I might as well have something to root for the rest of the way, and Stallworth getting 950 is a hell of a lot more likely than the Eagles making the playoffs at this juncture.
If making a fortune out of making stupid prognostications was possible, I'd be a millionaire.
:-D
He could STILL do it, though. He only needs 225 yards against Atlanta! :deion
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2006/12/05/stallworth-donte-cp-061204.jpg)
To your credit he was out for 4/5 games and playing well under 100% for a couple others.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 26, 2006, 04:16:42 PM
He could STILL do it, though. He only needs 225 yards against Atlanta! :deion
(http://www.froggynet.com/gallery/parties/party15.jpg_t.jpg)
Anyone see Donte after the game was greeted by none other than Drew Rosenhaus. :evil
That's funny, so was TO.
Stallworth could pull out a Lee Evans from earlier this year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 26, 2006, 04:28:50 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 26, 2006, 04:16:42 PM
He could STILL do it, though. He only needs 225 yards against Atlanta! :deion
(http://www.froggynet.com/gallery/parties/party15.jpg_t.jpg)
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
:-\
With hearing how Rosenwhores greeted Stallworth after the game, I suspect they are trying to get a deal done with the team now. That would be sweet after a Dallass victory. :yay
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 27, 2006, 05:19:58 AM
With hearing how Rosenwhores greeted Stallworth after the game, I suspect they are trying to get a deal done with the team now. That would be sweet after a Dallass victory. :yay
I'd agree if the game was in Philly. Rosenhaus was probably just there watching his players. Maybe shot a "show me the money" comment to Lurie or something, but I doubt there were any real talks.
My hope is that the Eagles have gone to Stallworth and said "We're going to pay you X amount of money, just let us wait until March so we can keep our 3rd round pick."
If the team lets him go to free agency to save a 4th from going to a 3rd, they would probably have to out bid other teams (or at least come close). With a fairly poor crop of top FA WR's this off season, I doubt the team would choose to compete. I'd rather just see them sign Stallworth now, but I can see where the FO might think along those lines of letting him test the market to save a pick. Not a good gamble imo though.
Going by their recent history with drafting WRs, he's a steal for a 3rd round pick. Even if he only plays 10 games a year.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 27, 2006, 09:45:25 AM
Going by their recent history with drafting WRs, he's a steal for a 3rd round pick. Even if he only plays 10 games a year.
the guy is worth a low 2nd much less a bottom 10 3rd. He does everything asked of him and im betting a second year in the system he would be PB material, not to mention the WR would look at least formidable with him and Brown being the 1a/1b combo and Avant the possession WR maybe bring back GLEW as he has looked decent in his limited role.
If the guy gets his hamstring situation fixed he's gonna put up 1000 yards. :paranoid
He is the only player that they must resign imo.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 27, 2006, 03:02:32 PM
He is the only player that they must resign imo.
Yep... after that, I'm fine with the offense for the most part.
Still need that another RB to replace Mahe. Big back preferaby so that they have Westbrook, Buckhalter, and ? next year.
if buckhalter is healthy they dont need another back for next year...just a continued dedication to the running game
well if they re-sign Stallworth they likely wont have alot of $$$ left. Supposedly they only have like $13 mil to spend for next season
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2006, 11:08:31 AM
if buckhalter is healthy they dont need another back for next year...just a continued dedication to the running game
Correctamundo.
I would still go after a young bigger back next year and cut Mahe. You never know when/if Buck will go down.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 29, 2006, 11:13:28 AM
well if they re-sign Stallworth they likely wont have alot of $$$ left. Supposedly they only have like $13 mil to spend for next season
Is that before or after they release Kearse?
I hope they get Stallworth re-signed. #1 priority heading into the off-season.
Not sure where it's coming from (I don't know if they read too much into a Spadaro comment or what), but for some reason people think that the conditions on the 3rd/4th-round pick thing only apply if the re-signing is done before day 1 of free agency; otherwise it's a 4th no matter what. I've never heard such a thing... ???
Any dirt on contract talks w/ him?
nah, didn't ask, but him being the top WR on the FA market and led by Rosenhaus doesn't make me warm and fuzzy....
How much can you invest in the 3rd option (Westbrook 1, Brown 2) who happens to miss 3-6 games a year?
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him back, just that there probably is a better option out there that can stay healthy.
Guys, I'm telling you, look at the list of potential free agents. Stallworth's name sticks out like a Rolls Royce in a parking lot full of Chevy's.
If they let Donte get a whiff of free agency, he's gone, because there's no way Rosenputz lets him sign for a penny less than whoever is offering the most money.
And we know damn right well that the Eagles aren't going to get into a bidding war over him.
If he walks, we could get Lelie. Where's FF? :P
The only thing we have going for us is that Stallworth likes the system, the team, and he wants to play with McNabb when he's healthy. Money talks in the end, but I'm hoping the Eagles at least make a respectable offer. If a team comes in and substantially outmatches the Eagles, then I can at least be satisfied the Eagles made a decent offer.
The only thing we have going for us is that Stallworth likes the system, the team, and he wants to play with McNabb when he's healthy.
lol
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2006, 09:20:55 PM
How much can you invest in the 3rd option (Westbrook 1, Brown 2) who happens to miss 3-6 games a year?
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him back, just that there probably is a better option out there that can stay healthy.
There isn't. You thought last years FA WRs were bad? This years are way worse.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 29, 2006, 09:30:24 PM
Guys, I'm telling you, look at the list of potential free agents. Stallworth's name sticks out like a Rolls Royce in a parking lot full of Chevy's.
If they let Donte get a whiff of free agency, he's gone, because there's no way Rosenputz lets him sign for a penny less than whoever is offering the most money.
And we know damn right well that the Eagles aren't going to get into a bidding war over him.
Bingo. They need to sign him.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2006, 09:20:55 PM
How much can you invest in the 3rd option (Westbrook 1, Brown 2) who happens to miss 3-6 games a year?
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him back, just that there probably is a better option out there that can stay healthy.
1. How can you already apply missed games "a year"?
2. Who?
Sign. Him. Now.
^^^^
what he said
they havent had to many playmakers period in the andy reid era and even less so at the wr position...stallworth is one and needs to be kept...unfortunately they should have signed him up already...at this point its all but a certainty that hes gone
I'd like to see him retained. It's okay to overpay in a market when the alternative is crap. In fact, it's not overpaying. It's the right price to avoid settling for crap.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 30, 2006, 05:22:24 AM
I'd like to see him retained. It's okay to overpay in a market when the alternative is crap. In fact, it's not overpaying. It's the right price to avoid settling for crap.
*ding*
Stallworth has learned the system, is still young enough to improve even more, and will be the best WR on the market available to the Eagles. They should lock him up.
So we all know Stallworth is going to be a taterskin next year, yes?
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2006, 12:06:21 AM
So we all know Stallworth is going to be a taterskin next year, yes?
I thought that was going to be TO.
Quote from: King Cole on December 31, 2006, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2006, 12:06:21 AM
So we all know Stallworth is going to be a taterskin next year, yes?
I thought that was going to be TO.
Come on, it's Danny Snyder. He'll sign 'em both.
No, he went to Dallas. Please try to keep up.
QuoteWide receiver Donté Stallworth didn't spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall, as Terrell Owens did a couple weeks back. Stallworth got sweeter revenge on the trash-talking Falcon.
"I'm wearing a division-title cap and DeAngelo Hall isn't," Stallworth said.
According to Stallworth, Hall talked a lot of smack during the game.
"He called me a bum," Stallworth said. "He kept saying he's been to two Pro Bowls and I haven't been to any. Well, this bum is going to be in the playoffs next week while that two-time Pro Bowler is out on the golf course or somewhere."
After the Cowboys played the Falcons in Atlanta on Dec. 16, Owens was fined $35,000 for spitting in Hall's face.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2006, 12:06:21 AM
So we all know Stallworth is going to be a taterskin next year, yes?
I didn't think it possible for me to dislike a team more, but yeah, that would do it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2007, 08:50:37 AM
QuoteWide receiver Donté Stallworth didn't spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall, as Terrell Owens did a couple weeks back. Stallworth got sweeter revenge on the trash-talking Falcon.
"I'm wearing a division-title cap and DeAngelo Hall isn't," Stallworth said.
According to Stallworth, Hall talked a lot of smack during the game.
"He called me a bum," Stallworth said. "He kept saying he's been to two Pro Bowls and I haven't been to any. Well, this bum is going to be in the playoffs next week while that two-time Pro Bowler is out on the golf course or somewhere."
After the Cowboys played the Falcons in Atlanta on Dec. 16, Owens was fined $35,000 for spitting in Hall's face.
Hahaha. That's great. :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2007, 08:50:37 AM
QuoteWide receiver Donté Stallworth didn't spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall, as Terrell Owens did a couple weeks back. Stallworth got sweeter revenge on the trash-talking Falcon.
"I'm wearing a division-title cap and DeAngelo Hall isn't," Stallworth said.
According to Stallworth, Hall talked a lot of smack during the game.
"He called me a bum," Stallworth said. "He kept saying he's been to two Pro Bowls and I haven't been to any. Well, this bum is going to be in the playoffs next week while that two-time Pro Bowler is out on the golf course or somewhere."
After the Cowboys played the Falcons in Atlanta on Dec. 16, Owens was fined $35,000 for spitting in Hall's face.
That's what I'm talking about. :-D
Resign. Him. Now.
Geez. Now I'm not sure if I blame TO for spitting in his face. The dude is an a-hole.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/littlered212/colombo-vs-d-hall.gif)
Still laughing at that. Dude got blasted. It almost looks WWE fake but it wasn't.
Isn't it beautiful how he just hangs up there for a second before he starts to drop? :-D
Watch how Jason Witten casually lifts his leg out of the way. Also notice how neither of his teammates who are closest to him even bothers to help him up.
The whole scene is comical.
Stallworth lined up for how many snaps during the game? 3? And Hall still managed to talk a ton of trash. Awsum.
DeAngelo Hall's a douche. In a fight between him and T.O., I'd root for total annihilation.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 01, 2007, 08:50:53 PM
Stallworth lined up for how many snaps during the game? 3? And Hall still managed to talk a ton of trash. Awsum.
DeAngelo Hall's a douche. In a fight between him and T.O., I'd root for total annihilation.
That'd be more of a sissy boy slap party.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 01, 2007, 08:50:53 PM
Stallworth lined up for how many snaps during the game? 3? And Hall still managed to talk a ton of trash. Awsum.
DeAngelo Hall's a douche. In a fight between him and T.O., I'd root for total annihilation.
In a fight between those two, I'd supply all the whiskey, PCP and machetes necessary to get the job done right.
Belee dat.
you guys have way to much hate in you...release yourself
That's a George Carlin quote, IGY.
;)
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 01, 2007, 08:50:53 PM
Stallworth lined up for how many snaps during the game? 3? And Hall still managed to talk a ton of trash. Awsum.
DeAngelo Hall's a douche. In a fight between him and T.O., I'd root for total annihilation.
It'd probably end up like Dwight fighting Michael Scott at the dojo.
NFL: TO, you're going to be fined for spitting in the face of Hall
TO: Lot of rules. Lot of rules. On the street, we didn't have any rules. Maybe one, No kicks to the groin, home for dinner.
Good Gawd Almighty....this is a list of wide recievers Reid has drafted from MURPH'S war room site.
Billy McMullen, Freddie Milons, Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Na Brown,
Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom, Troy Smith
link (http://eagleswarroom.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=36)
Can the Eagles afford not to sign Stallworth?!?!?! FARG NO!
What? You don't like 1 out of 9?
Maybe 2 out of 9 depending on how Avant pans out. The verdict is still out on him on whether he can contribute on a regular basis.
0/9 and counting. 46 catches does not mean Reggie is a good player yet.
Yeah, but he had a lot of big plays and TDs this year. His hands need to be more consistent but the past two years have been pretty good for him. I don't think he's going to bust like Freddie Mitchell or fizzle like Pinkston.
The WRs are getting more involved in this system, but I don't think many WRs in this system will get up into the 90-100 catch realm.
90-100?! I'd like one, just one, to get up into the 60-70 catch realm.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2007, 07:45:22 PM
Good Gawd Almighty....this is a list of wide recievers Reid has drafted from MURPH'S war room site.
Billy McMullen, Freddie Milons, Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Na Brown,
Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom, Troy Smith
link (http://eagleswarroom.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=36)
Can the Eagles afford not to sign Stallworth?!?!?! FARG NO!
If you really think about it, all of them aren't/weren't bad players, they just didn't live up to expectations. Pinkston and Freddie were decent but sucked for where they were drafted.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2007, 07:45:22 PM
Good Gawd Almighty....this is a list of wide recievers Reid has drafted from MURPH'S war room site.
Billy McMullen, Freddie Milons, Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Na Brown,
Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom, Troy Smith
link (http://eagleswarroom.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=36)
Can the Eagles afford not to sign Stallworth?!?!?! FARG NO!
He traded for Basket, so come on you got to give him that ;D
60-70 would be nice, but with this type of offense when the backs and TEs usually get a lot of looks and catches I think being unable to reach 60 isn't that big of a deal.
As long as they make plays and score TDs, I'm fine with it. I'm not sure how many drops Reggie Brown has (MURP's site had him with 10 drops through week 7), but I'm guessing he would have been a lot closer to 60 and probably closer to 1,000 yards if he didn't have those mental lapses earlier on in the season. Reggie can get open and make big plays. He just needs to be more consistent on the easier stuff.
I dunno. Reggie Brown put together two nice seasons, and he showed improvement this season over last in doubling his number of TD receptions, catching more first down balls, and making plays after the catch.
Hopefully he takes it up a notch in the post season as well.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 06, 2007, 03:45:56 AM
0/9 and counting. 46 catches does not mean Reggie is a good player yet.
I wouldn't group Reggie with those other guys. For all his consistency and sometimes questionable hands... the guy has 90 catches and has seen the end zone 13 times in two years (1 less TD than Pinky had his entire time here)... which is much more production than any of those others have given combined (which I know isn't a high bar)... but he's done enough already to separate himself from the bunch.
reggie is somewhere in between those other 8 guys and chad johnson
He's somewhere between those other guys and James Thrash. Not good enough yet.
OK... now you're just being mean.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 06, 2007, 06:54:06 PM
OK... now you're just being mean.
He's just grouchy that he hasn't gotten his Shrimp on the Barbie yet.
With talk like that... he should go swimming with a couple stingrays.
Question.
There was a receiver that didn't make the cut after pre-season. Avant and Baskett both beat him out and I was disappointed... He was going up on the sidelines and fighting for balls and coming down with them. Tall Brother...
I have to say now that both Basket and Avant have stepped up these past few games.
But what was that other receiver's name?
Jenkins? Gaffney?
Wasn't Jenkins. But may have been Gaffney. Shtein, I can't remember, but I thought about that until Baskett started catching balls and Avant caught a few recently.
Cool thing for Garcia. It's like he has a whole Squadron of choices! Looks good!
Darnerian McCants.
Yeah. I hoped he would make the squad and was suprised nobody else picked him up. If I'm remembering right, he lead the team is special team points last year. I guess it's all good anyway.
Bill Sampy?
Yeah, it was McCants. I wanted him here instead of Fast Greggie.
But Lewis, who is in his ideal role now, made me look like a fool.
If Reggie Brown is the best out of all those picks it says Ried can't draft recievers for some reason. He drafts the hell out of lineman and runningbacks but can't get a true no.1 reciever. Stallworth is the closest by far to a top notch reciever as there is on this team.
Sign him.
Yessss Sir! McCants was the guy. Thanks.
Now can Stallworth get some dap in the Superdome again?
Hope so, this is the one I was not looking forward to... Darn Katrina survivors are going to be stark raving Madddd!
Still, they only beat the birds by 3 and have had a week idle.
Quote from: MURP on January 07, 2007, 12:47:29 AM
Gaffney?
Had like 8 catches for 100some yards today against the Jets.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: MURP on January 07, 2007, 12:47:29 AM
Gaffney?
Had like 8 catches for 100some yards today against the Jets.
If there was fantasy football for the playoffs, PG would have made an awesome pick.
Quote from: Dillen37 on January 07, 2007, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: MURP on January 07, 2007, 12:47:29 AM
Gaffney?
Had like 8 catches for 100some yards today against the Jets.
If there was fantasy football for the playoffs, PG would have made an awesome pick.
Dillen handles the dish for an easy bucket. Way to finish.
i heard it from murp ALL game.
can I spot talent or what?
:paranoid
Tom Brady would turn Freddie Mitchell into an all pro. Ok, maybe not Freddie, but James Thrash maybe.
How Donte' gets motivated for a game (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/010807-donte.wmv)
If he could get his hands on a few PHiladelphia Freedom shirts I think he'd sport them as well. Something tells me he really wants to stay
Must be the Phillies hat.
hater
Stallworth and Westbrook on ESPN2's The Blitz right now., breaking down the NFCCG.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 21, 2007, 01:34:09 PM
Stallworth and Westbrook on ESPN2's The Blitz right now., breaking down the NFCCG.
Take it for what it's worth (not much), but Stallworth was going on how "we" need to keep Garcia as the backup. Just continually referring to the Eagles as "we" and "us." He and Westbrook were together, wherever they were.
Again, doesn't mean anything, but he sounds like a player that wants badly to stay in Philly.
He might want to stay, but at his age he is not going to take a considerable paycut to stay in Philly. And I don't blame him -- make as much money as you can early on in your carreer, but an NFL career can end at any moment on the field of play.
Also, Rosenhaus will not permit him to take less money to stay anywhere.
Again, doesn't mean anything, but he sounds like a player that wants badly to stay in Philly.
he clearly does...hes stated so time and time again...but you have to imagine after hearing all the recent comments by the eagles front ofice regarding him he is going to change that positive stance soon
Lets see just how bad Stallworth wants to stay in Philly. Money talks, BS walks.
and we pray.
Well if he really wants to stay it is going to have to be for less money, we know the FO will not get into a bidding war for a player. The problem is he is too good and too young for a team that is thin at WR not to make a big play for him.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 22, 2007, 12:47:45 AM
Well if he really wants to stay it is going to have to be for less money, we know the FO will not get into a bidding war for a player. The problem is he is too good and too young for a team that is thin at WR not to make a big play for him.
I know of one team who's otherwise thin at WR... who has no problem not making a big play for him.
Hotlanta?
Basically, any team in the NFC would like to have him. Except Nawlins. As a second or third guy.
Tampa Bay could be interested, but they'll likely take Calvin Johnson instead. Maybe San Francisco? Minnesota?
Kansas City
Tampa Bay
Minnesota
San Diego
Atlanta
San Francisco
New England
Tennessee
I think KC might be the ones who go hard after him. They have nothing (Kennison and Parker) at WR. Maybe they go with a Stallworth & Jeff Webb duo next year. Carl Peterson likes cherry picking the Eagles roster.
Tampa could draft Johnson and sign Stallworth. Clayton has fizzled and Galloway is on his last legs.
Minnesota because Andy would recommend him to Brad and because they need help at WR. Williamson sucks.
San Diego has Vincent Jackson and thats about it. Eric Parker is a #3 guy and McCardell is done.
SF signed Bryant and he's been a bum. Arnaz Battle scare anyone?
New England is a longshot especially since they can sign anyone and make them look good.
Tennessee has a ton of money to spend.
So, basically, half the league. So long, Stallworth.
FYI;
Mike Furrey of the Lions is supposedly close to a deal that will bring him back to Detroit. He had a great year and one certainly better than Donte (not saying he is better, but stats talk in contract deals) so this will kind of let us get an idea of what the market starts out at for a WR.
98 catches; 1086 yards; 6 TDs; 9 catches of 20+ yards
38 catches; 725 yards; 5 TDs; 14 catches of 20+ yards
Will this have an effect on Donte? Who knows. But it'll be interesting to see how much he gets.
19 yards per catch...how do they even consider letting him go?
The only scenario in which I'm ok with them not re-signing Stallworth is if all of the following happen:
1. He signs elsewhere and becomes one of the top-5 paid WR's in the game.
2. The Eagles actually spend a chunk of cap money on improving the front seven on defense.
3. They sign or trade for a veteran of some sort that is actually good enough to start at WR, instead of trying to pass off Baskett, Lewis, or Avant as a starting WR.
ha, i just remembered that they kept Greg Lewis instead of Jabar Gaffney
Greg had a much better regular season than Gaffney did in New England and actually filled his role nicely.
Actually, in general, I thought the play of the WR's this season was actually good.... which is why they need Stallworth back, because the whole group is young and take be even better next year.
but stats talk in contract deals
i disagree....stats talk on extremeskins...in contract dealings everything comes in...best believe donte ronsenhaus and other teams will bring up and look at the eagles spread it around offense and say donte has the talent to be a #1 in another city
on the flip side the eagles will look and say well we spread the ball around and we can get hank baskett or anyone else to do the same thing
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 22, 2007, 12:04:45 PM
Greg had a much better regular season than Gaffney did in New England and actually filled his role nicely.
Gaffney didn't play a whole regular season, no kidding that the guy who played an entire season had a better year than the guy who didn't.
Jabar Gaffney was also too stupid to understand the west coast offense.
Maybe that's not a bad thing? Maybe the offense should be tailored to fit the team, not the other way around?
I'm not just kidding around. The WCO seems to work well for some, but not so well for others. There ARE other ways to win than WCO.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 22, 2007, 11:56:08 AM
The only scenario in which I'm ok with them not re-signing Stallworth is if all of the following happen:
1. He signs elsewhere and becomes one of the top-5 paid WR's in the game.
2. The Eagles actually spend a chunk of cap money on improving the front seven on defense.
3. They sign or trade for a veteran of some sort that is actually good enough to start at WR, instead of trying to pass off Baskett, Lewis, or Avant as a starting WR.
So much for #3. They've already started the propoganda machine. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=63966)
I know it's Spads and all, but this line of thinking makes me want to rip someone's head off...
QuoteThe Burning Question
January 22, 2007
By DAVE SPADARO
What Does The Picture Look Like At WR?
The Eagles had a terrific year at the position in 2006 after a transition period in the post-Terrell Owens months. Reggie Brown grew up in his second season and, after some early ups and downs, had a fine sophomore year. A pair of rookie receivers, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant, shined for the most part when given the opportunities to make plays. Greg Lewis found his niche as a reliable and productive third-down receiver.
(Talking WR's and not even a mention of Stallworth until the second paragraph. :boom)
Donté Stallworth completed the picture in '06. He gave the Eagles an explosive presence down the field, and was a good blocker for the running game. Stallworth's speed certainly added a home-run threat in the passing game. Stallworth missed four games with a hamstring injury, which was a concern, and now his status as an unrestricted free agent to be is one of the off-season's most interesting stories to follow.
If Stallworth remains an Eagle, the team has a deep and varied group at the position. If Stallworth leaves in free agency - and should he reach free agency he figures to be one of the more coveted players - the Eagles need Baskett and Avant to make dramatic increases in their roles for 2007. Baskett started in Stallworth's absence and acquitted himself well, but he does not have the same down-the-field speed. Baskett showed he has enough speed on his two 80-plus-yard touchdown catches and runs, but his primary strengths are his big body, his outstanding hands and his ability to be a physical receiver.
Avant isn't a burner, either, but he seemed to pick up the offense well. Avant is a sharp route runner, a tough and physical player and he has excellent hands. Avant had a tremendous career at Michigan and figures to make a solid leap forward in his second NFL season. (I like Avant and all, but make a "solid leap" from his 7 catches this season? He was only activated for half the games this season. How the hell do they know what they have with him?)
Lewis is likely to remain in a similar role, regardless of Stallworth's status. Brown, a big-play maker throughout his second season, should only get better and seems prepared to be a go-to receiver in any offense.
Stallworth is the big question mark here and the speculation will be relentless until his status is answered one way or another. Will he stay or will he go? Maybe, maybe not. In the meantime, the Eagles have a lot to work with here, and wide receiver, after years of wonder and worry, is a position of strength for this team once again. (That's some ol' bullshtein right there.)
Barf.
It is amazing what you can do with a few well placed bold tags...
QuoteThe Burning Question
January 22, 2007
By DAVE SPADARO
What Does The Picture Look Like At WR?
The Eagles had a terrific year at the position in 2006 after a transition period in the post-Terrell Owens months. Reggie Brown grew up in his second season and, after some early ups and downs, had a fine sophomore year. A pair of rookie receivers, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant, shined for the most part when given the opportunities to make plays. Greg Lewis found his niche as a reliable and productive third-down receiver.
Donté Stallworth completed the picture in '06. He gave the Eagles an explosive presence down the field (imp. the picture was incomplete without him), and was a good blocker for the running game. Stallworth's speed certainly added a home-run threat in the passing game. Stallworth missed four games with a hamstring injury, which was a concern, and now his status as an unrestricted free agent to be is one of the off-season's most interesting stories to follow.
If Stallworth remains an Eagle, the team has a deep and varied group at the position. If Stallworth leaves in free agency (big IF) - and should he reach free agency he figures to be one of the more coveted players - the Eagles need Baskett and Avant to make dramatic increases in their roles for 2007. Baskett started in Stallworth's absence and acquitted himself well, but he does not have the same down-the-field speed (Stallworth is a better option). Baskett showed he has enough speed on his two 80-plus-yard touchdown catches and runs, but his primary strengths are his big body, his outstanding hands and his ability to be a physical receiver.
Avant isn't a burner, either (can't count on Avant to step in), but he seemed to pick up the offense well. Avant is a sharp route runner, a tough and physical player and he has excellent hands. Avant had a tremendous career at Michigan and figures to make a solid leap forward in his second NFL season.
Lewis is likely to remain in a similar role (useful but unimpressive), regardless of Stallworth's status. Brown, a big-play maker throughout his second season, should only get better and seems prepared to be a go-to receiver in any offense.
Stallworth is the big question mark here (how are we going to survive without him) and the speculation will be relentless until his status is answered one way or another. Will he stay or will he go? Maybe, maybe not. In the meantime (until Stallworth leaves), the Eagles have a lot to work with here, and wide receiver, after years of wonder and worry, is a position of strength for this team once again.
there's a zero percent chance of stallworth coming back...it's time to realize that & move on.
i'm hoping they draft a speedy wr who can also return kicks in one of the first 3 rounds...and i'm not talking about another bloom....i mean an actual football player.
Please don't misunderstand - I was not putting "my" spin on the article, just noting how different the spin could be based on what parts you bold and what comments you make.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 22, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
It is amazing what you can do with a few well placed bold tags...
Right... so the point of the article was that the Eagles totally need Stallworth, right? Totally.
Stallworth did more than "complete the picture". He was easily the most dynamic WR on the team. The WR's are a lot more questionable than they are incomplete without him.
Do you really think Stallworth's leaving is "a big IF" when Heckert has flat out said and everything else written on the subject says that they're going to let him hit FA? "If" that happens, then we're relying on a 26 year old speedy WR in the prime of his career who's the cream of the crop in a terrible FA class to give the Eagles a "hometown discount" to stay. Or half the league to back off of him because he missed 4 games this year. Oh yeah, and his agent just happens to be the most money grubbing shark associated with pro football.
The point of this article is obviously to pump up the other guys to look like something they're not to fool people into thinking the Eagles won't miss Stallworth should he leave. It's not about what points I bold. It's about the intent of his article.
I think the point is that Spads is typing a lot of words without saying much of anything, because he understands equally the value of Stallworth to the offense and the likelihood of the front office of not retaining his services.
DITKA - 58
Eagles FO - 0
QuoteThe Burning Question
January 22, 2007
By DAVE SPADARO
What Does The Picture Look Like At WR?
The Eagles had a terrific year at the position in 2006 after a transition period in the post-Terrell Owens months. Reggie Brown grew up in his second season and, after some early ups and downs, had a fine sophomore year. A pair of rookie receivers, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant, shined for the most part when given the opportunities to make plays. Greg Lewis found his niche as a reliable and productive third-down receiver.
Donté Stallworth completed the picture in '06. He gave the Eagles an explosive presence down the field, and was a good blocker for the running game. Stallworth's speed certainly added a home-run threat in the passing game. Stallworth missed four games with a hamstring injury, which was a concern, and now his status as an unrestricted free agent to be is one of the off-season's most interesting stories to follow.
If Stallworth remains an Eagle, the team has a deep and varied group at the position. If Stallworth leaves in free agency - and should he reach free agency he figures to be one of the more coveted players - the Eagles need Baskett and Avant to make dramatic increases in their roles for 2007. Baskett started in Stallworth's absence and acquitted himself well, but he does not have the same down-the-field speed. Baskett showed he has enough speed on his two 80-plus-yard touchdown catches and runs, but his primary strengths are his big body, his outstanding hands and his ability to be a physical receiver.
Avant isn't a burner, either, but he seemed to pick up the offense well. Avant is a sharp route runner, a tough and physical player and he has excellent hands. Avant had a tremendous career at Michigan and figures to make a solid leap forward in his second NFL season.
Lewis is likely to remain in a similar role, regardless of Stallworth's status. Brown, a big-play maker throughout his second season, should only get better and seems prepared to be a go-to receiver in any offense.
Stallworth is the big question mark here and the speculation will be relentless until his status is answered one way or another. Will he stay or will he go? Maybe, maybe not. In the meantime, the Eagles have a lot to work with here, and wide receiver, after years of wonder and worry, is a position of strength for this team once again.
im gonna go with what andy said on the radio the other day....
"it was nice having him here"
"he did a good job for us"
i think he's going with "Donte did a heckuva job for us"
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2007, 02:55:09 PM
im gonna go with what andy said on the radio the other day....
This is a much better idea than going with anything Spads ever says. He has no more credibility or relevance than Art.
I think Andy tipped his hat a bit when he said "it WAS nice having him here", but Andy always talks in the past tense. He never realizes when someone is still affiliated with the team or not.
However, when he says "was" in that context, I'm guessing Andy would like to have him back, but that he is not going to bend over backwards to make it happen. Essentially, the Eagles will make him one contract offer, and if he doesn't like it, he'll be shown the door.
I think Andy tipped his hat a bit when he said "it WAS nice having him here", but Andy always talks in the past tense. He never realizes when someone is still affiliated with the team or not.
he didnt talk in past tense when talking about garcia or thomas
Yeah, but you forgot to quote the other half of my post. Saying that Stallworth "was nice to have around" in that context indicates, most likely, that Stallworth is gone.
I just noticed that Andy sometimes uses the past tense when referring to guys still on the team and still under contract, i.e. "it was nice having him in the lineup" even though the player is still under contract instead of saying "he is great to have in the lineup". But in the context of Stallworth being an UFA in a matter of weeks, it seems like he's willing to let him walk and seemingly tipped his hat when he made that comment.
My two cents.
The Eagles FO is farging retarded. They should stop playing madden with this team and start spending some cash!
It's somewhat ironic that Banner is praised for being such a salary cap genius but this year the Eagles have more UFAs than any year in recent memory (11 -- with 9 of them being at least decent players to very good/excellent players) and the Eagles have less salary cap space to work with than usual.
The season is over. How can he still talk in present sense? I think there's too much analysis on the words being used...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2007, 09:51:03 PM
The season is over. How can he still talk in present sense? I think there's too much analysis on the words being used...
UseD?! If you said "use" without the D, then Stallworth might be coming back...But you...you totally said "useD"...past tense....STALLWORTH IS GONZ!!111!11!!1!
But seriously Ed...it's not looking good.
Holy moses all you guys need Prozac or something. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2007, 12:06:22 PM
but stats talk in contract deals
i disagree....stats talk on extremeskins...in contract dealings everything comes in...best believe donte ronsenhaus and other teams will bring up and look at the eagles spread it around offense and say donte has the talent to be a #1 in another city
on the flip side the eagles will look and say well we spread the ball around and we can get hank baskett or anyone else to do the same thing
I was more or less talking about the Furrey side of things. You know him and his agent will be singing 98 catches and 1086 yards to Millen and his cronies and he'll likely be paid for putting up those numbers.
And they'll become a part of the Stallworth dealings when Drew brings up the games missed and that he could have added maybe 20 catches to his total and more TDs, etc.
True. It is only a week into the season and speculation is running rampant.
Most Eagles fans want Stallworth to stay. It just seems like early indications by people in a position of influence are somewhat dismissive about the prospects of re-signing him.
We need something to pass the time, right?
The season is over. How can he still talk in present sense?
normally id agree but the words used to describe stallworth are very much different than those used to describe garcia and other potential free agents
thats my main problem with the way theyve dealt with stallworth..its almost like they knew hed cost a lot and right from the jump theyve done everything possible to lessen his importance and talent....'hes always hurt'...'the team wasnt any better when he was playing vs not playing'...and on and on
its like they were more conerned with the public relations side of the stallworth free agency than they were with trying to resign him...how about stallworth is a very important piece of our team and we really want him back and will make every effort to do so...what would be so wrong with that...its basically what they said about garcia
If they let him get to free agency, they're crazy. There is no one, AND I MEAN NO ONE out there who is remotely close to Stallworth in terms of talent, speed, production and experience. He's a clear #1 receiver on a team with a #2 and about five #4's. It's insane that this has even gotten this far.
Sign the man.
I could care less about Garcia coming back but Stallworth is a must. Everyone seems to forget how well he played with donovan. Donovan is a different QB when he has competant receivers to throw to. Look at his performances before TO was an ahole or when Stallworth was healthy.
This FO has already let Stallworth go and wont resign him because they think he's not worth the money or too injury prone. Resign him and get Burkholder working on his groin problems and a specific training regimen to prevent the same injuries. Dont try to feed US the fans with Avant and Baskett who will be decent #3's but not a #1 like Stallworth with blazing speed and a knack to break coverage.
10-4 with stallworth
2-2 without stallworth
I simply can't bring myself to talk about this situation. Of course he should be kept. Of course they'll let him walk.
vigy is dead on regarding this subject. I adopt his opinion as my own, and I'm glad I thought it up.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
vigy is dead on regarding this subject. I adopt his opinion as my own, and I'm glad I thought it up.
Ditto
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
vigy is dead on regarding this subject. I adopt his opinion as my own, and I'm glad I thought it up.
Ditto
I can't brinig myself to agree with IGY, so I'll say that I agree with Sarge.
put down the haterade...grab a funny hat and join the club
I got one of those black hats with a black Eagles logo on it. It's funny. I'm in.
I just bought one of those a week or two ago. I already had a white one with the white logo.
I like being the good guy and the bad guy.
So, the black hat is your "good guy" hat and the white one is your "bad guy" hat, right?
black cat is bad luck....bad guys wear black....musta been a white guy who started all that
oh those little white lies....my expression to the mountainous blue eyes
then form a face....and shake my skull cap
dismiss the myth that evil is all black
Melville knew the terror of whiteness. Read Moby Dick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 10:24:27 AMblack cat is bad luck....bad guys wear black....musta been a white guy who started all that
I blame ninjas and Bruce Lee.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 24, 2007, 10:21:09 AM
So, the black hat is your "good guy" hat and the white one is your "bad guy" hat, right?
Exactly not.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 10:24:27 AM
black cat is bad luck....bad guys wear black....musta been a white guy who started all that
and he quotes this from the cracker rappers 3rd Bass
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2007, 11:23:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2007, 12:06:22 PM
but stats talk in contract deals
i disagree....stats talk on extremeskins...in contract dealings everything comes in...best believe donte ronsenhaus and other teams will bring up and look at the eagles spread it around offense and say donte has the talent to be a #1 in another city
on the flip side the eagles will look and say well we spread the ball around and we can get hank baskett or anyone else to do the same thing
I was more or less talking about the Furrey side of things. You know him and his agent will be singing 98 catches and 1086 yards to Millen and his cronies and he'll likely be paid for putting up those numbers.
And they'll become a part of the Stallworth dealings when Drew brings up the games missed and that he could have added maybe 20 catches to his total and more TDs, etc.
Well... Furrey signed his deal to stay in Detroit. Maybe some of you super researchers can find the exact numbers.
Even Matt farging Millen knows not to let a valuable WR on his team make it to free agency this year.
Just sayin'...
QuoteLions | Furrey agrees to three-year deal
Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:35:22 -0800
Updating a previous report, the Detroit Lions announced they have agreed to terms on a three-year contract with WR Mike Furrey. Financial terms were not disclosed. Furrey was slated to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
IGY gets the gas face!
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 25, 2007, 01:33:15 AM
QuoteLions | Furrey agrees to three-year deal
Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:35:22 -0800
Updating a previous report, the Detroit Lions announced they have agreed to terms on a three-year contract with WR Mike Furrey. Financial terms were not disclosed. Furrey was slated to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
Mike Furrey: 98 Catches, 1086 Yards, 6TDs
Stallworth: 35 Catches, 725 Yards, 5TDs.
This will be the thing the Eagles' FO uses when/if they try to get a deal done. Furrey gets XXX dollars over three years, he was more productive, so why should Donte deserve more??
The answer? Donte is history. :-\
i could be wrong....but i cant imagine that furrey got huge money
this actually may help get donte resigned
yeah right
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 11:48:53 AM
i could be wrong....but i cant imagine that furrey got huge money
IGY, that is exactly my point.
The FO will say, "Furrey was more productive on a horrible team, he wasn't even the number one receiver, and he got paid XXX dollars per year. Donte was in a top flight offense and didn't come close to the production, so he should be paid/valued less."
Furry was also in Martz's offense that made Dane Looker get nearly 1000 yards
Stallworth may not have had nearly as many receptions, but I'd say his production is still close to Furrey's. I don't think Furrey should be used as a benchmark though.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 25, 2007, 12:22:40 PM
Furry was also in Martz's offense that made Dane Looker get nearly 1000 yards
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 25, 2007, 12:26:53 PM
Stallworth may not have had nearly as many receptions, but I'd say his production is still close to Furrey's. I don't think Furrey should be used as a benchmark though.
Just to clarify, it's not my opinion that this arguement makes sense, but would anyone on this board pony up a bunch cash on a bet that the Eagles FO wouldn't use this logic at least in some regard?
Stallworth on Rome today:
Asked about McNabb/Garcia controversy:
-"Don is the guy. Hopefully he can come back at full strength and we can make a run next year"
- Said the rest of the stuff is way overblown
- "I plan on being in philly. My first choice is definitely philly."
- "I hope Don can come and we can make this run for Arizona."
- Andy and Jeff Lurie both talked to him and said they want him back.
- real confident they'll get something worked out
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wow, that surprises me....actually, no it doesn't.
As usual, the media knows jack shtein. LOL
yeah...Andy, Jeff, and Joe can say all they to him. We'll see what they say when Drew gets on the phone.
Drew doesn't drive hard bargains for his clients. At least not all the time. People think he does after the whole TO thing, but now we know TO was the entire driving force behind that insanity. The Eagles have and have had plenty of Rosenhaus clients and they have had no trouble getting deals done with any of them. He isn't Wichard.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 31, 2007, 05:46:47 PM
Stallworth on Rome today:
Asked about McNabb/Garcia controversy:
-"Don is the guy. Hopefully he can come back at full strength and we can make a run next year"
- Said the rest of the stuff is way overblown
- "I plan on being in philly. My first choice is definitely philly."
- "I hope Don can come and we can make this run for Arizona."
- Andy and Jeff Lurie both talked to him and said they want him back.
- real confident they'll get something worked out
-
I hope he's real sincere on that and not just talking out of his ass because from hearing Tom Heckert tell it... they plan to test him on if he really wants to be here.
I hope he's real sincere
its really not up to donte...if its real close he perhaps can take a miniscule amount less to stay somwhere...but otherwise he HAS to leave per the union...also the union will be pushing him big time to hit the open market and once that happens hes gone
that said his comments are somewhat promising and they give me a glimmer of hope that wasnt previously there...yet i still cant see a scenario where he doesnt hit the open market
I agree with you... I'm just saying that if he truly does want to stay here, he'll have to prove it because it looks like he has somewhat of an uphill battle.
i want stallworth more than a big back
Stallworth is the same as Garcia. He puts winning over most things. But if a good team with about the same chance as the Eagles offers him a starting job he's gone. Just like Jeff.
I'm tired of all the talk about Stallworth. Get his name on a friggen' contract already, or I don't want to hear it.
Humperdink Humperdink Humperdink!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2007, 07:04:02 PM
I hope he's real sincere
its really not up to donte...if its real close he perhaps can take a miniscule amount less to stay somwhere...but otherwise he HAS to leave per the union...also the union will be pushing him big time to hit the open market and once that happens hes gone
that said his comments are somewhat promising and they give me a glimmer of hope that wasnt previously there...yet i still cant see a scenario where he doesnt hit the open market
Why is it up to the union?
Trotter came back in 2005 for less money....Runyan had a better offer from the Jets and came back. If you haven't heard, in one of the interviews yesterday, Lance Briggs even said he'd be willing to re-sign with the Bears "at a hometown discount".
because the union will not allow arguably the top free agent on the market to not cake off in a huge way
trotter was a nothing back then...no one wanted him coming off his hideous stay in washington and a blown knee
runyan actually didnt get less money from the eagles...the eagles upped their offer the last second to more money than the jets were offering if he completed what was a short contract...yes the jets were offering a little more up front and thats where the 'discount' came in
these players love to talk up the hometown discount as it makes them look better to fans...but believe that any discount they take is a mirage like the runyan deal or its so miniscule that the union allows it
its not always a case of direct orders from the top of the union its a matter of being a member of the union and were a player to take a lot less money than they can potentially get they would be running the pockets of their fellow union members as it hurts what they could potentially get...in addition it could be hurting yourself as well cause one day you might be a free agent again
QuoteStallworth says he'd like to return
Donté Stallworth didn't get to live out his Super Bowl dream this season with the Eagles, but he did make his way to Super Bowl XLI.
So where's he going next?
The wide receiver said yesterday that he hopes the answer to that question is "back to Philadelphia."
"I hope they want me back," Stallworth said at the Miami Beach Convention Center, after he and New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees completed an interview with the VH1 network.
Stallworth is an unrestricted free agent represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus. The Eagles acquired Stallworth in late August from the Saints, and he finished with 38 catches for 725 yards and five touchdowns despite missing four games because of a hamstring injury.
He also contributed six catches for 141 yards and scored touchdowns in the Eagles' playoff games against the New York Giants and Saints.
The consensus among Eagles fans and players is that the team should bring back Stallworth next season. The growing belief, however, is that another NFL team will give the wide receiver a big contract that the Eagles will be unwilling to match.
Stallworth said the Eagles don't necessarily have to match the highest offer.
"I think they've talked a little bit to Drew [Rosenhaus]," Stallworth said. "I'm sure there are going to be teams that offer me more, but in my case, it's not going to be all about the money. I want to make sure I'm in a place that has a chance to win a Super Bowl year in and year out, and everything was perfect for me in Philadelphia. I've been loving it ever since I've been there... and I definitely plan on being there."
That said, Stallworth conceded that he plans to listen to offers from other teams when the free agency period begins next month.
"I think I'd be cheating myself and my family if I didn't at least see what other opportunities were out there," said Stallworth, who is 26. "But I have all intentions of being an Eagle next year."
The money, of course, surely will have a major influence on Stallworth's final decision, but he is sincere about wanting to remain with the Eagles. Stallworth said he is spending this weekend with teammate Brian Westbrook, who arrived on South Beach yesterday.
"Those are my boys," he said. "I had a good time with those guys and I loved playing with them."
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
because the union will not allow arguably the top free agent on the market to not cake off in a huge way
Allow is a bit strong. The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance. They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign. TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.
Stallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants. If he did, he would piss of a lot of people. He would be a complete idiot if he settled for vet minimum. He won't, but he could...and the union could not stop him.
And we pray...
Allow is a bit strong. The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance. They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign. TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.
not applicable here....you can count on one finger the amount of teams that wanted TO other than the eagles...and the ravens were offering less money...the way the eagles contract was structured is what the union objected to not that he was taking way less momney than he could have gotten elsewhere
Stallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.
sure if he wanted to he could paly for free too....not sure what your point is
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:35:15 AM
Allow is a bit strong. The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance. They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign. TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.
not applicable here...
Yes, it is applicable - The union does not have the final say on contracts, except...
QuoteStallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.
sure if he wanted to he could paly for free too....not sure what your point is
No, he couldn't. The terms of the CBA say he cannot play for less than the vet minimum. That is the only way the union can shoot down a contract - if it violates the CBA.
yes he could....he could donate his entire salary...thus playig for free...the point is just like him paying for the mimimum in your scenario it would never happen...youre making up impossible hypotheticals for no other reason than to take an opposing view
and you know what....i declare you the winner....now leave me alone
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
...youre making up impossible hypotheticals for no other reason than to take an opposing view
You stated that the union could "allow" or "not allow" a player to sign for a certain amount. I presented a hypothetical counterexample to demonstrate you were wrong.
Quoteand you know what....i declare you the winner....now leave me alone
Every time you start talking out your ass, you can count on me being there to kick it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2007, 09:29:35 AM
QuoteStallworth says he'd like to return
Donté Stallworth didn't get to live out his Super Bowl dream this season with the Eagles, but he did make his way to Super Bowl XLI.
So where's he going next?
The wide receiver said yesterday that he hopes the answer to that question is "back to Philadelphia."
"I hope they want me back," Stallworth said at the Miami Beach Convention Center, after he and New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees completed an interview with the VH1 network.
Stallworth is an unrestricted free agent represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus. The Eagles acquired Stallworth in late August from the Saints, and he finished with 38 catches for 725 yards and five touchdowns despite missing four games because of a hamstring injury.
He also contributed six catches for 141 yards and scored touchdowns in the Eagles' playoff games against the New York Giants and Saints.
The consensus among Eagles fans and players is that the team should bring back Stallworth next season. The growing belief, however, is that another NFL team will give the wide receiver a big contract that the Eagles will be unwilling to match.
Stallworth said the Eagles don't necessarily have to match the highest offer.
"I think they've talked a little bit to Drew [Rosenhaus]," Stallworth said. "I'm sure there are going to be teams that offer me more, but in my case, it's not going to be all about the money. I want to make sure I'm in a place that has a chance to win a Super Bowl year in and year out, and everything was perfect for me in Philadelphia. I've been loving it ever since I've been there... and I definitely plan on being there."
That said, Stallworth conceded that he plans to listen to offers from other teams when the free agency period begins next month.
"I think I'd be cheating myself and my family if I didn't at least see what other opportunities were out there," said Stallworth, who is 26. "But I have all intentions of being an Eagle next year."
The money, of course, surely will have a major influence on Stallworth's final decision, but he is sincere about wanting to remain with the Eagles. Stallworth said he is spending this weekend with teammate Brian Westbrook, who arrived on South Beach yesterday.
"Those are my boys," he said. "I had a good time with those guys and I loved playing with them."
We all know Stallworth is really saying "Donovan is a Hoyda, I'm going to play for the taterskins next season.
Sheesh ::)
Stallworth is actually setting Banner up to get a lowball offer?
like Banner needs any help with that.
ha
Reverse Psychology.
I can see it now, half the roster will need to be cut to fit under the 2008 cap. Damn Stallworth.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 01, 2007, 11:21:51 AM
Reverse Psychology.
I can see it now, half the roster will need to be cut to fit under the 2008 cap. Damn Stallworth.
ha. Banner sitting behind his desk with that shrew face making sure that no player ever gets what he wants. 200 million for Stallworth!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
because the union will not allow arguably the top free agent on the market to not cake off in a huge way
trotter was a nothing back then...no one wanted him coming off his hideous stay in washington and a blown knee
runyan actually didnt get less money from the eagles...the eagles upped their offer the last second to more money than the jets were offering if he completed what was a short contract...yes the jets were offering a little more up front and thats where the 'discount' came in
these players love to talk up the hometown discount as it makes them look better to fans...but believe that any discount they take is a mirage like the runyan deal or its so miniscule that the union allows it
its not always a case of direct orders from the top of the union its a matter of being a member of the union and were a player to take a lot less money than they can potentially get they would be running the pockets of their fellow union members as it hurts what they could potentially get...in addition it could be hurting yourself as well cause one day you might be a free agent again
IGY, I was talking about the Trotter of 2005--not of 2004--when KC and Cincy were courting him. And besides don't you read the net man--Ashlie Lelie is supposed to be the top FA WR since he opted out of his contract with the Falcons. ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:35:15 AM
Allow is a bit strong. The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance. They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign. TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.
not applicable here....you can count on one finger the amount of teams that wanted TO other than the eagles...and the ravens were offering less money...the way the eagles contract was structured is what the union objected to not that he was taking way less momney than he could have gotten elsewhere
Stallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.
sure if he wanted to he could paly for free too....not sure what your point is
Actually, according to TO's first book, the Browns, Falcons, and Ravens wanted him--but didn't want to pony up enough money. In fact, he says the Browns were willing to give him guaranteed money, but not near the 16M the Eagles were offering.
I'm the first one to say that I guarantee Stallworth will be an Eagle next season.
Quote from: Father Demon on February 01, 2007, 11:36:21 AMI'm the first one to say that I guarantee Stallworth will be an Eagle next season.
Duly noted.
Quote from: Father Demon on February 01, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
I'm the first one to say that I guarantee Stallworth will be an Eagle next season.
Thats a bold prediction. Stallworth seems to say all the right things, just like McNabb. If you hear one interview, you've heard them all.I don't see how they can't like if not love Stallworth the way he comes off. He seems genuine.
If he ever plays 16 games straight with McNabb he would have numbers in the top ten of the league, one would think.
At least 40 receptions.
wtf time is it for you? jesus farg it's late here. must be early there??
3:30 pm here.
I'm certain this has been covered elsewhere but what are you doing in Australia?
Not a damn thing. It's great!
having sex with "your girl," hunting kangaroo...making fun of Australians for acting American...the usual?
Pretty much.
Putting the shrimp on the barbie?
Kangaroo steaks are delicious. Taste like venison. And no steroids to shrivel your junk like beef.
The meat is purple though. Good with blueberry sauce.
How's the vegemite?
Salty.
Does anyone out there drive a Subaru Outback?
Sign Stallworth for the positive PR?
Instead of starting a poll or something else that would be equally stupid, I just want to see a show of hands here.
Yes or no, do the Eagles re-sign Donte Stallworth?
I vote NO.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2007, 04:44:40 PM
Instead of starting a poll or something else that would be equally stupid, I just want to see a show of hands here.
Yes or no, do the Eagles re-sign Donte Stallworth?
I vote NO.
Nope
Nope... but I really, really hope I'm wrong.
No, I don't believe they will.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 02, 2007, 12:10:49 PM
Does anyone out there drive a Subaru Outback?
You may want to check with some lesbians, they love that car.
Hmmm...maybe if we get a unanimous vote no, the football gods will reward us with being wrong.
Here's my contribution: NO
Do I think they'll sign him? No, but I'll vote yes they will because I'm a farging rebel like that.
thug4lyf
they front office has already said they arent
No. Damn it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2007, 04:44:40 PM
Instead of starting a poll or something else that would be equally stupid, I just want to see a show of hands here.
Yes or no, do the Eagles re-sign Donte Stallworth?
I vote NO.
Well, since you said you wanted a show of hands, :boo
Nope.
Christ - I just thought of something horrific, thanks to j99 posting a pic in the skins thread:
What if the Eagles don't re-sign Stallworth, then go out and get Pinkston for veteran minimum, saying he's totally healed and will be the perfect downfield speed receiver?
It sounds ridiculous, but it fits the FO's M.O.
Yark.
I'll bet they'll even make Pinky wear #18 to really drive the point home.
I should have taken the RED pill.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 11, 2007, 09:41:06 PM
Christ - I just thought of something horrific, thanks to j99 posting a pic in the skins thread:
What if the Eagles don't re-sign Stallworth, then go out and get Pinkston for veteran minimum, saying he's totally healed and will be the perfect downfield speed receiver?
It sounds ridiculous, but it fits the FO's M.O.
Yark.
:'(
He'll switch to 17. Time to go out and buy new Pinkston jerseys!
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 11, 2007, 09:41:06 PM
Christ - I just thought of something horrific, thanks to j99 posting a pic in the skins thread:
What if the Eagles don't re-sign Stallworth, then go out and get Pinkston for veteran minimum, saying he's totally healed and will be the perfect downfield speed receiver?
It sounds ridiculous, but it fits the FO's M.O.
Yark.
Thanks for the kind thoughts, sir.
McMullen is a FA too. Come to think of it, so is Freddie Mitchell and Chad Lewis. Sounds like TO's locked up though (On Jerrah's hairclub member)
I come from the if it ain't broke don't fix it school and these guys did get us to the Superbowl just a coule of years ago. Screw all these Jonny come lately's making over the vet minimum with their fancy contract extensions and FA status. I say we need a revival to get us back to the promised land.
Those were the days...
http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2004Archive%7Cbluexmas.swf (http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2004Archive%7Cbluexmas.swf)
And BTW, any idiot who says Andy doesn't have good parenting skills, YOU need to watch this: (Sorry if this was posted before I came along)...
http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2005Archive%7Ctokid.swf (http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2005Archive%7Ctokid.swf)
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2007, 07:22:12 PM
they front office has already said they arent
Can you post the direct quote from either Banner, Heckert, or Reid in which one of them said they weren't going to re-sign Stallworth. And I want a direct quote in the form of "We're not going to re-sign him because we don't have the money." Because the only thing I've read from BOTH parties is that they want him to re-sign if the money is right. Now unless you guys have a direct pripeline into the Eagles FO or can read the future--I haven't seen any direct quotes.
heckert.....
Q: Dont Stallworth had some huge games but was also hurt a lot. How will that affect his value on the open market?
A: "If he's healthy, he's a really good player. I think that will be kind of a wait-and-see deal because I don't think even he knows what he's worth. Getting him done before free agency, that's probably not going to happen. There's not a whole lot of wide receivers out there. It's tough to gauge. When he's healthy, he's a good player. People are going to say the same thing — if he's injured (often), how much are you going to pay him? But he's young and he's fast. He's really fast. I think he'll probably end up signing a pretty good contract somewhere. If you look at last year, those (2006 free agents) got huge money and they were just OK guys."
Q: If you lose Stallworth, will you have to go out and get another veteran?
A: "We feel the same way as before we traded for him. If we don't get him back, we think we're OK at wide receiver. Not saying we won't draft or sign somebody else, but Reggie (Brown) played really well for us, and I think Hank (Baskett) and Jason (Avant) are going to be really good. I really do. So that affects it, too. If we don't have him, I think we'll be all right."
You don't have to be Nostradamus to see he's gone.
I don't understand why Eagles fans "elsewhere" can't see the situation for what it is, though. That's why I posed the question I did regarding him being gone.
How can you NOT see it, is what I'm asking.
The ultra homers will say there's a chance, and they'll be the first ones to get in other people's faces if the unthinkable does happen.
i'll say this, i don't think he's coming back, and if he does, it will be a major upset, like Villanova/Georgetown type of upset.
that's why anybody who rips people for thinking he's not back are dead wrong and not in this reality. he COULD come back, but 97% isn't.
i dont know how you even think its 3%...heckert said in that interview that he will hit free agency...and the eagles dont let players they want to keep make it to the open market...
also see the other underlined comment as well...
101% hes gone
Someone has to ask the obvious. Why the farg did they bother trading for him?
the only explanation is that they thought he would put them in the SB this year. and seeing how the defense played, that was gross mis-analysis
in my opinion, that's a wasted draft pick if they don't resign him.
thats the million dollar question
my guess is that their gold standard god complex mentality told them that he would sign less with the eagles because they are so great....at some point during the season they found out from rosenhaus and stallworth that they want big money..the kind of money they can assuredly get on the open market
at that point the eagles went into spin mode and started talking him down as a player
just look at all the 'code' words and veiled shots heckert took at him in that one answer
I think they were hedging their bets against Baskett & Avant being complete busts (which they weren't, obviously).
Regardless, for Heckert to assert that their receiver corps will be "fine" with either one of them starting is insulting.
farging Stevie Wonder could see that without Donte, the Eagles receivers are a notch above a collection of hot garbage.
I say Stallworth re-signs. 5% because he wants to be an Eagle, 95% because no one else said he would.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 10:34:37 AM
heckert said in that interview that he will hit free agency...and the eagles dont let players they want to keep make it to the open market...
The only defense I can give for this is that this situation is different - there is a draft pick on the line. We've seen what they do in the past, but it wouldn't shock me if they had a deal ready to sign at 12:01 on the first day of FA. Even you have said - they don't sign quality free agents
except if they do it early on the first day. This might be a similar situation.
Doubt it, but that's not the point :)
the escalation of the draft pick doesn't apply if he signs as a free agent with them?
That is my understanding.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 08:38:50 AMQ: If you lose Stallworth, will you have to go out and get another veteran?
A: "We feel the same way as before we traded for him. If we don't get him back, we think we're OK at wide receiver. Not saying we won't draft or sign somebody else, but Reggie (Brown) played really well for us, and I think Hank (Baskett) and Jason (Avant) are going to be really good. I really do. So that affects it, too. If we don't have him, I think we'll be all right."[/b]
What's fishy about that quote is that normally he says, "I think we'll be aight". He didn't say that this time. Hmm.
The only defense I can give for this is that this situation is different - there is a draft pick on the line. We've seen what they do in the past, but it wouldn't shock me if they had a deal ready to sign at 12:01 on the first day of FA. Even you have said - they don't sign quality free agents except if they do it early on the first day. This might be a similar situation.
if they didnt own his rights i would say theres a chance the pounced on a free agent right out the gate...that is indeed their MO...but they have had since the day they traded for donte to get him extended and have not done it...that combined with heckerts comments make the chances of him being resigned less than zero % if he hits free agency and zero % they sign him before that
id like to see the numbers on players that are allowed to hit the open market and end up signing with their old team...not just eagle players i bet its a miniscule number around the whole league
Not changing my vote. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19194.msg495630#msg495630)
IGY I thinik you keep forgetting the 3rd/4th round thing. As I understand, if the Eagles extend Stallworth, as in sign him before he hits FA, then they give the Saints a 3rd rounder. Now if they let him hit FA and then sign him, they only give up a 4th rounder. That's my understanding of the deal, anyway.
I still don't think he'll resign, but I think that if he does, then the only reason why the Eagles would have waited to let him hit the open market would be to save that 3rd round draft pick, as we all know how much the Eagles FO values draft picks.
I'm assuming Stallworth isn't here next year. That means they FO would probably concentrate on getting thier other free agents signed without making any type of "splash" this year.
I hope they approach some players and ask them to restructure, like Kearse, to free up some cap space for the future.
My guess is that this was part of the Eagles thinking - If he is too expensive to re-sign, let him walk and see if they can get a comp pick for him as a FA that left. If he was too expensive to resign, that just ups the comp pick value, probably to a 4th rounder. If so, it becomes nearly a wash with the team getting a years service out of him.
On the otherhand, if he's worth the signing in their eyes, they still control whether they want to meet his demands and if it's worth a 3rd.
Another interesting possibility might to franchise him, then try to trade him for > than the late 3rd they'd give up. They'd probably have to have Stallworth and Rosenhaus on board for this to work but it basically happened with Jevon Walker last year.
you cant trade a franchised player
yous are way overanalyzing this...they arent resigning stallworth because he wants to much money...period
you really think the eagles wouldnt sign him because of a draft pick being one round higher...even they arent that cheap with draft picks
they made an attempt to sign him this fall and couldnt do it..they subsequently gave up and now are trying to explain why he isnt that important to the team and baskett and avant can easily replace him
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
you cant trade a franchised player
yous are way overanalyzing this...they arent resigning stallworth because he wants to much money...period
you really think the eagles wouldnt sign him because of a draft pick being one round higher...even they arent that cheap with draft picks
they made an attempt to sign him this fall and couldnt do it..they subsequently gave up and now are trying to explain why he isnt that important to the team and baskett and avant can easily replace him
So you know for sure they tried to sign him long term this fall, and you know for sure they 100% gave up?
IGY I'm glad you work for the Eagles, I don't know where I'd get my Eagles news if you didn't post here.
And yes, the Eagles FO is cheap with thier draft picks, and WOULD be the type of FO that would wait until day one of FA to sign a guy if it meant a whole round of difference in draft picks given up. I'm not saying I think they will resign him, because I think he'll be asking for too much, but I think that strategy is something not to be put past this FO.
Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.
Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?
IMO, the FO actually would go through a process just to get an extra 4th rounder. They seem to like trading up to the near-top of the 4th round recently so they can re-evaluate Saturday night and take the pick of the litter day2. 2 late 4ths can do this.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.
Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?
IMO, the FO actually would go through a process just to get an extra 4th rounder. They seem to like trading up to the near-top of the 4th round recently so they can re-evaluate Saturday night and take the pick of the litter day2. 2 late 4ths can do this.
I'm not totally sure about it since the rules of the CBA changed, but I always thought that if you Franchised a player, other teams are allowed to try and sign him to a long term deal, but have to give up 2 1st round picks or somethin like that to get him. I can't remember this shtein anymore, ask Phreak or Ed, they're good with this type of stuff.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.
Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?
When a player is franchised, a team is required to give compensation if they sign said player. Typically with franchised players, the compensation is a 1st round pick. The reason no other teams tried to sign him is because they didn't want to give up the pick, especially if they had reason to believe the Eagles would remove the tag anyway.
It's simple.
Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks. It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.
More likely is that a franchised player's rights can be traded from one team to another for a lesser compensation. The Eagles have tried with both Trotter and Simon to do this but have failed both times.
You simply don't franchise someone unless you actually want to sign them to the rich 1-year deal. The other positive things that can happen don't happen often and have NEVER worked for the Eagles.
Actually, there's different franchise tags. One is the "exclusive" tag in which no other team can negotiate without the owning team's permission. They have to basically pay the league average of the top 5 salaries at that position with a few other options.
A non-exclusive tag allows another team to make an offer. The original team must either match or give up the player for 2 first round picks.
There is also a transition tag which will be rarely used with the new CBA. It is the one Seattle shot itself in the foot with in loosing Steve Hutchinson.
Edit: FFatPatt beat me to the punch there
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 12, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks. It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.
FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA? I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2007, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 12, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks. It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.
FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA? I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up.
That's what the rule says, but the team can pretty much do whatever they want.
and WOULD be the type of FO that would wait until day one of FA to sign a guy
i wanna see in writing where this is the case...i cant believe NO would make that kind of trade...because even if the eagles had come to terms with stallworth three months ago they would just wait until day one to announce the deal...any team would so not to give up the higher pick
IGY I'm glad you work for the Eagles, I don't know where I'd get my Eagles news if you didn't post here
thats precisely WHY you come here...because youre to clueless to figure stuff out on your own...ill trust the tea leaves that heckert banner and reid have dropped regarding stallworth way before i trust some whimsical notion you created that says the eagles are just waiting until day one of FA to magically sign stallworth
IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th. I'm not saying that this is 100% accurate, but it's what I've been reading around the web. A friend of mine who writes of KFFL has the same understanding of the writing of the deal. Therefore, technicallly if Donte Stallworth isn't extended by the Eagles before 12:01 on the day FA starts, he has, technically, hit free agency and the Saints get the Eagles 4th round pick.
Again, that's only what my understanding of the trade has been for the last few months based on what I've read around on the internet, in news papers, heard on ESPN, etc.
And IGY, I don't need you for my football news. I need you for your humorous "I know all" 'tude on this MB. Without it, I wouldn't get a lot of good laughs when I read this MB.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2007, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 12, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks. It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.
FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA? I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up.
If the team that signs the player doesn't negotiate a lesser "fee", then the 2 1st rounders is mandated.
There are only two times that a franchise tag player has been signed away without negotiating lesser compensation:
1993 - Reggie White signed by the Packers from the Eagles
1998 - Sean Gilbert signed by the Panthers from the taterskins
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 12, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2007, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 12, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks. It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.
FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA? I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up.
If the team that signs the player doesn't negotiate a lesser "fee", then the 2 1st rounders is mandated.
There are only two times that a franchise tag player has been signed away without negotiating lesser compensation:
1993 - Reggie White signed by the Packers from the Eagles
1998 - Sean Gilbert signed by the Panthers from the taterskins
:boom
In the first round of the following draft, they took Lester Holmes (pick 19) and Leonard Renfro (pick 24).
Michael Strahan was taken with the 40th overall pick in that draft.
I can think of 2 reasons why the Eagles wouldn't negotiate an agreement beforehand, then let Stallworth hit FA and re-sign and then re-sign him right away. First, you never know who might blow him with an eye-popping deal. No way I'd trust Rosenhaus there. Second, NO would probably file a grievance with the NFL for such an obvious trick and I'd bet they would win. The NFLPA would probably put also put pressure on as well for not taking the best deal.
It's not a likely scenario Rosenhaus/Stallworth would agree beforehand to a deal they don't have much to gain by and alot potentially to loose. But even if they did, I don't think it would stand.
IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th.
im not saying its not the case but i want proof of it...sounds ridiculous to me that NO or any team would negotiate that into a trade...im sure it will be in the papers at some point as free agency approaches
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2007, 06:23:44 AM
IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th.
im not saying its not the case but i want proof of it...sounds ridiculous to me that NO or any team would negotiate that into a trade...im sure it will be in the papers at some point as free agency approaches
If you are so sure that the Eagles won't sign Stallworth if he reaches FA, why wouldn't the Saints be?
because im judging my belief mostly on things that have been said by the eagles since the trade was made
whereas the saints had no idea what would happen at the time of making the trade
again that may very well have been negotiated into the trade im not saying it wasnt...but id like to see proof that it is the case...and if it is i would rasie the chances of the eagles resigning stallworth from 0% to 4%
FWIW, there are a couple of sources that say that the Saints get a 3rd if the Eagles sign Stallworth to a long-term deal. My guess is that the terms of the deal can only run as long as the Saints hold his rights: once Stallworth becomes an unrestricted free agent, he is not under contract with anyone. So the Saints didn't "decide" that the Eagles could sign him after his contract was up, they had no say in the matter.
We'll see in a few weeks...
FWIW, there are a couple of sources that say that the Saints get a 3rd if the Eagles sign Stallworth to a long-term deal.
this is fact and has been known since the deal was struck
My guess is that the terms of the deal can only run as long as the Saints hold his rights: once Stallworth becomes an unrestricted free agent, he is not under contract with anyone. So the Saints didn't "decide" that the Eagles could sign him after his contract was up, they had no say in the matter.
so what are you saying then...once he hits the market it becomes and stays a 4th rounder no matter what happens?
Correct because (IMO) after that point, neither team holds Stallworth's rights.
then we agree
i emailed bowen and brookover to try and find an answer
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2007, 08:44:26 AM
because im judging my belief mostly on things that have been said by the eagles since the trade was made
whereas the saints had no idea what would happen at the time of making the trade
again that may very well have been negotiated into the trade im not saying it wasnt...but id like to see proof that it is the case...and if it is i would rasie the chances of the eagles resigning stallworth from 0% to 4%
Which is right around where I have it too...because and only because my understanding of the trade was if the Eagles wait until FA to sign him, it's a 4th round pick instead of a 3rd, which seems like something this FO would wait for. Other then that one reason, I dont see why else the FO would be stupid enough to let him hit open market and then try resigning him.
Going off memory here so I may have forgotten something, but Stallworth did an interview with Neil Hartman tonight on CSN....
-- re-signing with the Eagles is his top priority...doesn't really want to go somewhere else but will do what's best for him and his family...wants to sign a 5- or 6-year deal
-- says he'd be cheating himself if he didn't see what was out there in free agency but everyone else is a distant second
-- when asked if he thought he'd get huge money here compared to other places, he said that both sides give and take in these situations and work towards a fair deal
-- says everyone brings up the hamstring issues but they never mention that he played all 16 games in 2004 and 2005....says he's been seeing a specialist that Burkholder recommended
-- says he hasn't talked to Reid in the last 2-3 weeks and doesn't know his sons that well since he's been here for only a few months, but everything he's heard is that they're great kids
-- he'll be on Best Damn Sports Show Period tomorrow night
-- he'll be at the NBA All-Star game this weekend after being at the Super Bowl two weeks ago, and says all this travel and partying is taking years off his life
says everyone brings up the hamstring issues but they never mention that he played all 16 games in 2004 and 2005
igy mentions it
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2007, 10:24:22 PM
says everyone brings up the hamstring issues but they never mention that he played all 16 games in 2004 and 2005
igy mentions it
Missing significant time in 3 out of 5 regular seasons in the NFL=not injury prone
Missing significant time in only 1 regular season=Injury prone
Got it.
if you play in the nfl youre injury prone
derrick burgess is the perfect example as to why you dont use an injury as an excuse not to pay an ultra talented player...just like lecharles bently is not a reason you dont sign people to big money contracts
and you definitely dont let someone go whos missed four games in three years
I agree with most of htat post. I'm not saying Donte Stallworth is for sure injury prone, or that the Eagles shouldn't resign him. I want him to stay here, the Eagles need him at WR. I just don't understand, and this is the 2nd time I've said this to you, what your double standard is with defending his injury history in the NFL (missing significant time 3 out of 5 seasons with hamstring problems), yet before this season you were all over Brian Westbrook (in a bad, no-homo way) and called him "injury prone" with significant time missed only during 1 regular season. Broken ribs and a sore knee on an NFL runningback don't really constitute as "injury prone" to me. And no, it's not becauise Westbrook is an Eagle. I'm not going to blame any NFL RB for having sore knees and brusing/breaking some ribs along the way. It's part of the job.
I know that fighting for Stallworth to get resigned is a part of your anti-Eagles FO agenda, but if you're going to defend Stallworth's NFL injury history, it's probably not a good idea to attack a guy who's actually missed less time in as many seasons. Not that you've attacked him lately. But who has since he put up 1000 yards and over 200 carries.
yet before this season you were all over Brian Westbrook (in a bad, no-homo way) and called him "injury prone" with significant time missed only during 1 regular season
westbrook has blown knees going back to high school...that was my only concern with him...a little different than missing some games with hammy injuries like stallworth...and anyway im not sure i ever said westbrook was injury prone and if i did it wasnt in the context of not signing him or even that he couldnt handle an extensive workload...i fully supported him getting re upped last year and ive always championed his cause in terms of getting more carries...so really i dont know what youre trying to say here
He's just whining about a five month old conversation that you weren't even involved in. Don't worry.
The sexual tension is too much here, I can't take it. Go make out already.
No.
Westbrook and Stallworth are both injury-prone to an extent and both worth the risk and the big dollars.
Bwest is definatly injury prone. I don't think a hamstring injury can compare with bad knees. You lose a lot more time with a knee injury and it's way more serious, imo.
Link (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/16702535.htm)
QuoteStallworth on TV: 'I definitely want to be with the Eagles'By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
In an episode of "The Best Damn Sports Show" taped yesterday, receiver Donté Stallworth reiterated that he hopes to return to the Eagles but also elaborated on some possible destinations in free agency.
Stallworth, 26, came to the Birds in a trade last Aug. 28 for linebacker Mark Simoneau and a fourth-round draft pick that becomes a third if the Eagles sign him before free agency starts March 2. For that reason, the Birds are very unlikely to sign Stallworth before his contract expires. They have expressed interest in bringing him back, but have said he might command more money than they can afford to spend in a free-agent market that is light on talent.
"I love the Eagles and I love being there, and I'm hoping that we can get things worked out," Stallworth said during the taping, for a show that will be aired tonight. "There are some other interesting situations that I have on the table, but as far as being with the one team, I definitely want to be with the Eagles."
Asked about other situations, Stallworth said: "There's New England, obviously being able to play in an organization like that, similar to the Eagles, who have definitely won a lot of games in the past. San Francisco, young and upcoming team, has a good young quarterback [Alex Smith], and Norv Turner is still the offensive coordinator there, that helps... And Miami, the GM there was a guy who drafted me in New Orleans, Randy Mueller, and we've always had a real good relationship. But as far as actually picking a team, Philly is definitely No. 1 right now."
In addition to the Mueller tie, Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, historically has enjoyed a close relationship with the Dolphins.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 15, 2007, 07:22:29 AM
He's just whining about a five month old conversation that you weren't even involved in. Don't worry.
I know, it's not fun being wrong. Don't worry, some other things you bitch about are true. So it all evens out.
Shore-It's now been what....7 years since he last tore a knee ligiment? I think it's safe to say he's healed. Stallworth's hammy's are a continuing problem that has effected his NFL career.
At least that little snippet SD posted gives some faint hope to that 4% chance the Eagles are waiting until March 2 to sign him. Which means it won't happen. Great.
LMFAO.
He's gone. I don't give a shtein what fluffing Rosenthief has him doing in the press.
He's gone, plain and simple.
7 years since he last tore a knee ligiment? I think it's safe to say he's healed
westbrook couldnt practice much of this season and missed one full game and portions of others with a knee injury...and while it wasnt a torn ligament its due to the numerous knee surgeries/injuires hes had
the farther he goes into his nfl career the higher the chance his knees break down...much like what trotter is going thru now
again what is your point here?
that stallworth should or shouldnt be resigned....because if you agree that he should be then shut the farg up because you agree with everyone else...or are you just trying to feed your insatiable hunger for argument and making yourself look stupid
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
7 years since he last tore a knee ligiment? I think it's safe to say he's healed
westbrook couldnt practice much of this season and missed one full game and portions of others with a knee injury...and while it wasnt a torn ligament its due to the numerous knee surgeries/injuires hes had
Exactly my point. He will
never be totally healed. All of what happened with the fluid build up last year is due to the tear he had in the past.
Really? I could have sworn I saw Andy Reid and Burkholder talking about the BONE BRUISE he had on his knee causing swelling.
Liars.
yes, duh guys!
they never lie about anything, NFL head coaches always tell the truth!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
7 years since he last tore a knee ligiment? I think it's safe to say he's healed
westbrook couldnt practice much of this season and missed one full game and portions of others with a knee injury...and while it wasnt a torn ligament its due to the numerous knee surgeries/injuires hes had
the farther he goes into his nfl career the higher the chance his knees break down...much like what trotter is going thru now
again what is your point here?
that stallworth should or shouldnt be resigned....because if you agree that he should be then shut the farg up because you agree with everyone else...or are you just trying to feed your insatiable hunger for argument and making yourself look stupid
Every NFL's players knees are going to break down as thier careers go on. Well, if they're playing anyway.
And my point was just the question I asked you earlier...I faintly remember you talking about Westbrook being too injury prone to carry the load during this past pre-season, but I could have easily mixed you up with someone else....but if yo uwere questioning his injury problems in the NFL, I was askign why you weren't doing the same thing to Donte Stallworth, who's missed more time with a reoccuring injury. A guy who's missed significant time in 3 seasons with a reoccuring injury, whether you like the FO or not, that should be in the discussions at the contract talks. An excuse to not re-sign him? Hell farging no. If anythnig, show the head trainer you have some faith in his work and be willing to risk money on what would be the best WR on the teamm if you sign him.
Stallworth/Brown for the next 5 years makes me happy in the pants.
Quote from: Munson on February 15, 2007, 02:25:19 PM
Really? I could have sworn I saw Andy Reid and Burkholder talking about the BONE BRUISE he had on his knee causing swelling.
You're grasping at straws to avoid changing a ridiculous stance on this.
Quote from: SunMo on February 15, 2007, 02:28:13 PM
yes, duh guys!
they never lie about anything, NFL head coaches always tell the truth!
Yeah guys! I TOTALLY SAID THAT!!11OMGHZZ!
The athletic trainer for the team came out and said he had a bone bruise on his knee that was causing swelling, and with that type of injury it would tend to flare up after a games worth of workload. Notice how it actually dissapeared towards the end of the season when Westbrook was actually getting more carries. They must have REALLY been working hard to cover up an injury as serious as that. ::)
finding words to describe how douchey and clueless you are is really becoming a challenge
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 15, 2007, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 15, 2007, 02:25:19 PM
Really? I could have sworn I saw Andy Reid and Burkholder talking about the BONE BRUISE he had on his knee causing swelling.
You're grasping at straws to avoid changing a ridiculous stance on this.
Stance on...........What? Westbrook's knee injury 7 years ago not really playing a large role on his NFL injuries, this year being the first year he's had any real problems with his knees?
Yeah, that ACL tear 7 years ago was really what was respoinsible for the broken ribs or the lis franc sprain....An then. Wow. An NFL RB getting brusing a knee. Hold on, I gotta hide my suprise.
It's funny seeing how much support Donte Stallworth has on here to be resigned and no one will even mention the fact that he's injury prone because they know that's one excuse the FO might use to offer him lower money. I mean I can hate the FO all I want but if I"m going to believe that Brian Westbrook is "injury prone", then by my own logic I'd have to beleive that Donte STallworth is injury prone.
And so far the only one who's come out and realyl said that he is injury prone is IGY.
Westbrook and Stallworth are injury prone
that should not keep either from being signed to a long term contract, and in Westbrook's case, it didn't
shut up
Quote from: SunMo on February 15, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
finding words to describe how douchey and clueless you are is really becoming a challenge
Cry me a river nutsack. Think of some words or shut up.
Really? I could have sworn I saw Andy Reid and Burkholder talking about the BONE BRUISE he had on his knee causing swelling.
yeah and you get knee bone bruises from having less than you should or no cartilage left in your knee....and cartilage deterioates from ligaments pulling off and tearing and from surgeries in general
again i ask you what is your point here?
I faintly remember you talking about Westbrook being too injury prone to carry the load during this past pre-season, but I could have easily mixed you up with someone else
so youre starting a whole ridiculous argument on a faint memory of something i might have said (which by the way i didnt)...you take idiocy to a new level
And so far the only one who's come out and realyl said that he is injury prone is IGY.
he is
now one more time WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
7 years since he last tore a knee ligiment? I think it's safe to say he's healed
westbrook couldnt practice much of this season and missed one full game and portions of others with a knee injury...and while it wasnt a torn ligament its due to the numerous knee surgeries/injuires hes had
the farther he goes into his nfl career the higher the chance his knees break down...much like what trotter is going thru now
This should be tatooed on the forehead of every person on earth who claims that Westbrook isn't injury prone.
A tattoo artist would go bankrupt in a day if that was his only business.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 15, 2007, 02:59:52 PM
A tattoo artist would go bankrupt in a day if that was his only business.
Why? Because he would do almost no business because everyone with eyes and a brain can see that Westbrook is injury prone?
I agree.
hes pretty much saying the same thing as the other interviews but donte is on wip right now if anyone is interested
He's making the rounds like he should be making to be seen as good boy, saying all the right things...
i cant believe how forthright he is in naming the teams that have "expressed interest" in him
i always thought there was tampering in the nfl
i thought that was confirmed when the Eagles signed Jevon Kearse 38 seconds after free agency started
of course it happens but i thought it was a dirty little secret...obviously there nothing about it thats against the rules...donte straight up said tampa and miami have expressed interest
fwiw he also said "at least 75% chance I will be an eagle next year"
all the stuff he has said is before he drives by the NovaCare Complex on March 2 and the windows are boarded up
how much lower do y'all think the Eagles offer will be compared to other offers?
a mil, two? 500k?
If this guy comes back to the Eagles for half a mill less than going elsewhere, or more, I'll be ecstatic as a fan. but if I were his family, I'd box his ears for being an idiot
If this guy comes back to the Eagles for half a mill less than going elsewhere, or more, I'll be ecstatic as a fan. but if I were his family, I'd box his ears for being an idiot
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It actually wouldn't surprise me if they Eagles overspent for him because he's completely slobbering all over the organization as of late. Saying how it is heaven and such. We all know how fast this FO gets rid of players who talk trash on them(Hollis, Welbourn, TO) maybe they'll do the opposite.
I don't think Donte will get a huge offer. I think the max he'll get is something like a 6 year offer for 28 million(10 million SB), and if the Eagles don't match that then they are a total joke, because I don't even think that is what Randle El got.
yeah, I've seen your clever icon before, vigy. now...answer the question. how much less you think the Eagles will offer?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 15, 2007, 04:24:11 PM
how much lower do y'all think the Eagles offer will be compared to other offers?
Not sure, what scares me isn't how much the Eagles will try to lowball him, what does is the dozen or so teams with $25-40 million of cap space and need for a WR.
yeah, I've seen your clever icon before, vigy. now...answer the question. how much less you think the Eagles will offer?
first youre assuming the eagles will even make an offer...and with the anti donte PR campaign they have been running for the last month im not so sure they will
but if they do theres at least 6-7 teams that will blow the eagles out of the water...the eagles have like the 5th fewest dollars available in the nfl...but what they DO have is mike patterson locked up until the hale bop returns
5 years and 25-30 million with about a 6-7.5 million SB would be joyous to retain his services.
Also, their Cap number can be altered to show more if they finagle the bonuses of Herrremans, Cole, Patterson, and Brown.
They forfeited dollars this year to have a huge number next year, but left the option to increase this years if a player of interest shows up.
Regardless, they are cacks if they dont sign Stall.
oh, alright. don't play along.
Play along to what?
not talking to you, Stevie
i dont know what youre looking for and i dont care
5 years and 25-30 million with about a 6-7.5 million SB would be joyous to retain his services.
thats david givens money
stallworth will lap that
I'm asking how much less you think the Eagles would offer. It's a simple hypothetical question to while away the time, you know exactly what I'm asking, you just don't want to play along..that's cool
you're cool. so cool.
FWIW, Stallworth and Garcia will be on NFL Network's Total Access Tonight at 7PM EST.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
i dont know what youre looking for and i dont care
5 years and 25-30 million with about a 6-7.5 million SB would be joyous to retain his services.
thats david givens money
stallworth will lap that
He should, but that is what the Eagles may offer.
ARE is garbaged and got paid last year by the Skins.
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on February 15, 2007, 04:48:43 PM
5 years and 25-30 million with about a 6-7.5 million SB would be joyous to retain his services.
Also, their Cap number can be altered to show more if they finagle the bonuses of Herrremans, Cole, Patterson, and Brown.
They forfeited dollars this year to have a huge number next year, but left the option to increase this years if a player of interest shows up.
Regardless, they are wonderbras if they dont sign Stall.
The thing that is going to piss people off if he doesn't come back isn't that he wasn't re-signed, but for how littlehe wasn't re-signed for.
If you think Stallworth is going to get more than 5/6 years and 25-30 million then IMO you are fooling yourself. With his injury history they'd be absolutely insane to spend the farm on Stallworth. Especially a team like the Titans who JUST got out of cap hell. I don't think they'll want to be going back.
I can see a team going to 35 million, but that is it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2007, 04:40:12 PM..but what they DO have is mike patterson locked up until the hale bop returns
How much of this year's cap is being eaten up over the Patterson extension vs. what would have counted against otherwise?
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
Signing those guys to big extensions was foolish, they were only in their 2nd year. Normally they wait until the 3rd or 4th year of the deal.
I think the number I threw out there isnt unreasonable. Those numbers can be changed in form of SB and yearly contracts, but there are plenty of teams that can overpay for his services.
As far as cap hell, the Eagles wont be there for a long time. They have alot of players under contract next year and even more to spend.
These teams with big cap numbers have depleted rosters, the Eagles are returning 21 starters.
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
OK then, how much did those extensions hurt this year's cap then?
They may have hurt it significantly or they may have not. Are they the difference between an extra $15 million in cap space or $2-3 million?
Stallworth will be an Eagle next season.
Quote from: Beermonkey on February 15, 2007, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
OK then, how much did those extensions hurt this year's cap then?
They may have hurt it significantly or they may have not. Are they the difference between an extra $15 million in cap space or $2-3 million?
That is the thing that is strange. That guy on the official Eagles board who's name is like 908408557574357 had the Eagles cap room projected to be 30 million BEFORE the extensions were factored in. Then it got lowered to 13-15 million somehow. I even remember reading back in the offseason that then Eagles were going to be in such great shape for the 2007 offseason with upwards of 30-40 million in cap space.
So I don't know what the hell is going on. I think Trent Cole and Reggie Brown's cap numbers for 2007 are huge though. Like 4+ million each.
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on February 15, 2007, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
OK then, how much did those extensions hurt this year's cap then?
They may have hurt it significantly or they may have not. Are they the difference between an extra $15 million in cap space or $2-3 million?
That is the thing that is strange. That guy on the official Eagles board who's name is like 908408557574357 had the Eagles cap room projected to be 30 million BEFORE the extensions were factored in. Then it got lowered to 13-15 million somehow. I even remember reading back in the offseason that then Eagles were going to be in such great shape for the 2007 offseason with upwards of 30-40 million in cap space.
So I don't know what the hell is going on. I think Trent Cole and Reggie Brown's cap numbers for 2007 are huge though. Like 4+ million each.
That was the deal, but Andrews' bonus, along with another players bonus all got pushed into this year.
Maybe all this was just an elaborate plan by Banner to make it so he has an excuse for not signing any big talent this offseason. Now for once he can say we didn't have the cap space.
But the funny thing is every one of you know the taterskins will end up with Dwight Freeney, Lance Briggs, and Donte Stallworth with a supposed like 200k of cap room.
The taterskins can still sign whoever they want like any other year, but that is their cap management philosophy.
They sign and cut their players like nothing and always have dead money.
These teams with big cap numbers have depleted rosters
chargers bears patriots saints and jets all say (http://www.accboards.com/UBB/wave.gif)
the exact cost of patterson this year isnt as important as the flawed philosophy of the eagles choosing to reup players that either dont deserve to be and/or dont need to be isstead of signing top notch soon to be free agents
Quote from: SunMo on February 15, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
finding words to describe how douchey and clueless you are is really becoming a challenge
You can always just say he's been Munsoned.
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 15, 2007, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: SunMo on February 15, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
finding words to describe how douchey and clueless you are is really becoming a challenge
You can always just say he's been Munsoned.
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Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
Cole & Brown were not moronic signings and Johnson got chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.
Also - according to BJ's cap page, the Eagles are down to $9.5M in cap room as of yesterday.
They need to restructure some guys like Kearse and cut some guys like Dhani.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 16, 2007, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
Cole & Brown were not moronic signings and Johnson got chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.
Also - according to BJ's cap page, the Eagles are down to $9.5M in cap room as of yesterday.
Don't know how the hell that happened. They didn't sign anybody.
Thanks for the new avatar Sarge.
Quote from: King Cole on February 16, 2007, 02:31:04 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 16, 2007, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: King Cole on February 15, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
It isn't just Patterson. It is Patterson, Reggie Brown, Trent Cole. Even Dirk Johnson got an extension before the season if you remember.
All stupid moronic signings. I love Brown and Cole but they were just rookies last season. No point in locking them up long term now. At least in a way that immediately hurts your cap. Usually Banner is smarter about this type of stuff. I wonder what made him go against what he usually does which is save as much cap as you can, not spend it, then brag about how they are 40 million under.
Cole & Brown were not moronic signings and Johnson got chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.
Also - according to BJ's cap page, the Eagles are down to $9.5M in cap room as of yesterday.
Don't know how the hell that happened. They didn't sign anybody.
That happened because he didn't count the roster bonuses this year for Westbrook or Andrews. He has since added them in--plus it looks like we only got 500K in LTBE rebates--these are incentives that hit the cap the following year if they are made in the year the contract was written. So, Garcia, who it was reported on philly.com last year signed a 1.1M contract, but he collected a total of 2.38M because he met all the incentive clauses in his deal. And before anyone asks, only players with 9 years of service only count 450K towards the cap when they sign a contract.
http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/
I think the Eagles will be in much better cap shape next year because Runyan & Thomas will be coming off the books and that will free up close to 9 million in cap space (that's their combined cap hits in 2007). Plus I think Kearse will be restructred (voidable years '09-'11) and a lot of the dead wood that's infecting the roster will be cleared out (McDougle, for instance).
Darren Howard's cap figure sticks out like a sore thumb at $4.2M as well.
Also - is anyone else amazed at Dhani Jones' projected salary for 2007? $2.35M!
Ha! :-D
i think mcdougle is gone this year
btw here is pattersons 07 number for BM
2007: $6,765,000 (543,750 base salary+540K proration+281,250 proration+900K proration+4.5M roster bonus; $6,063,750 dead money if cut)
Ugh.
it gets better too...had patterson not been extended his cap number this year would be 600,000
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2007, 08:31:31 AM
i think mcdougle is gone this year
btw here is pattersons 07 number for BM
2007: $6,765,000 (543,750 base salary+540K proration+281,250 proration+900K proration+4.5M roster bonus; $6,063,750 dead money if cut)
Yikes...where'd you get that from?
They certainly have enough guys on the team basically stealing money that could be cut or renegotiated.
Patterson counts for more than $6mil against the cap this year? Jesus christ.
is anyone else enthralled by message board "cap experts"?
No.
you dont have to be an expert to know that paying mike patterson 6 million this year instead of 600 thousand while donte stallworth walks is criminal
agreed.
criminal!
bring 'em up on charges!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2007, 11:20:21 AM
you dont have to be an expert to know that paying mike patterson 6 million this year instead of 600 thousand while donte stallworth walks is criminal
If they say they're not signing Stallworth because of "cap room", they're lying anyway.
He won't be re-signed because someone else will pay full open-market value, which is more than the Eagles think he's worth to the offense. Banner's abacus told them so.
and we will again be stuck with mediocre receivers and will listen to the Eagles FO try and tell us how good they are.
They're fine. Reggie Brown is the next Chad Johnson.
Reggie led the league in drops last year.
He also leads the league in awesomeness.
He's gonna drop even more next year. Watch the awesomeness grow.
So what did Reggie end with? 10 drops? 12 Drops? I know at one point around mid season he had 8.
So he has roughly 4 times as many catches as drops? That's like Marvin Harrison dropping 25 passed in a season. Ha. This team makes me angry.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 16, 2007, 01:22:09 PM
Reggie led the league in drops last year.
I guess that depends where you get that stat from. Looks like Terrell Owens has that award locked up for last season.
If these stats are correct, he was 7th in YPC and tied for 10th in receiving TDs.
SnapStats: % Passes Dropped (http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=Q&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=232&Submit=Go)
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1 Terrell Owens Dal 17
2t Darrell Jackson Sea 11
2t Andre Johnson Hou 11
2t Troy Williamson Min 11
5 Steve Smith Car 10
6 Reggie Brown Phi 9
7t Reggie Bush NO 8
7t Chris Chambers Mia 8
7t Donald Driver GB 8
7t Braylon Edwards Cle 8
7t Bubba Franks GB 8
7t Joey Galloway TB 8
7t Devery Henderson NO 8
7t Randy McMichael Mia 8
7t Randy Moss Oak 8
7t Reggie Wayne Ind 8
7t Reggie Williams Jac 8
18t Alge Crumpler Atl 7
18t Ahman Green GB 7
18t Marvin Harrison Ind 7
18t Torry Holt StL 7
18t Dennis Northcutt Cle 7
18t Michael Pittman TB 7
I was posting tongue in cheek, referring to a long stupid thread we had on the subject once. My point is that he drops the ball a lot...way too much.
The stat is subjective but even so I'm sure other people dropped more than Reggie.
Am I wrong or did Brown stop dropping the ball for the most part after Garcia came in?
He dropped less when Garcia came in. Some of the blame goes to Donovan for throwing the ball 90 MPH on a 5 yard slant.
Brown dropped atleast 20 passes last year. I had him at 9 drops after week 6 before I gave up keeping track of everything. If people would put the pressure on the WR in that catagory instead of the QB it would be much higher for all of them.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 16, 2007, 03:11:25 PM
He dropped less when Garcia came in. Some of the blame goes to Donovan for throwing the ball 90 MPH on a 5 yard slant.
Really? How many passes were thrown to Brown from McNabb compared to Garcia?
Really? How many 90 mph 5 yd slants from Donovan did he drop?
Quote from: Eagles 3x on February 16, 2007, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 16, 2007, 03:11:25 PM
He dropped less when Garcia came in. Some of the blame goes to Donovan for throwing the ball 90 MPH on a 5 yard slant.
Really? How many passes were thrown to Brown from McNabb compared to Garcia?
Really? How many 90 mph 5 yd slants from Donovan did he drop?
No idea, I don't have official stats.
Just going off memory, I think it was more than just a coincedence that balls were being dropped less when Garcia was at QB. Considering his throws have less velocity than McNabbs it would seem like common sense to say the two were related.
McNabb doesn't thrown what anyone would consider a 'catchable' ball. Touch ain't exactly his strong suit.
WEST COAST OFFENSE!
A screen pass to the RB is a running play!
WEST COAST!
Quote6 Reggie Brown Phi 9
7t Reggie Bush NO 8
7t Reggie Wayne Ind 8
7t Reggie Williams Jac 8
hmmm
Are you trying to say that black guys can't catch?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 16, 2007, 06:36:42 PM
Are you trying to say that black guys can't catch?
Just black guys named Reggie, apparently.
The NFL = (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif) against guys named Reggie.
But God can lead them to Green Bay
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2007, 05:45:37 PM
McNabb doesn't thrown what anyone would consider a 'catchable' ball. Touch ain't exactly his strong suit.
WEST COAST OFFENSE!
Well then, must be Garcia doesn't throw a catchable ball either as far as Brown is concerned. McNabb to Brown -57 passes -31 caught -54.38%. Garcia to Brown - 35 passes -19 caught -54.28%. Clearly Garcia is the far superior QB. It's all in the numbers.
Give me a freakin break!
Brown caught one of those 90 mph 5 yd bullets for a TD in the SF game, a 7 yd 90 mpher TD in the TB game. An 8 yarder and a 3 yarder in the NO game. Maybe McNabb was just feeling weak on those paticular passes and wasn't able to throw his normal uncatchable ball.
I see that your panties got nice and wadded up there. Have a beer and chill the farg out dipshtein.
I'll go into all the reasons your post is reactionary and idiotic tomorrow.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2007, 08:28:54 PM
I see that your panties got nice and wadded up there. Have a beer and chill the farg out dipshtein.
I'll go into all the reasons your post is reactionary and idiotic tomorrow.
Looks to me like it's your panties that got wadded to far up your crack. All I did was post some facts to contradict your unsubstantiated dribble. Seems to have bothered you. You've had enough. Stop drinking beer and chill the farg out dipshtein. OMG that is just to witty. Chill the farg out dipshtein. I just can't stop laughing.
"No YOUR panties are in a wad."
"Nuh-uh, YOURS are."
"No, you!"
Great retort. Conversating with mental giants like yourself is always enjoyable. Next.
REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE!
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Come to think of it, he whiffed on a lot of balls, too.
(http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040928A.jpg)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 16, 2007, 11:12:28 PM
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Taters........thats were the money is.
I'll throwe nmy catchable blalls in your mouth.
fargEkrS!~
I thin k Regieek could be a good #1 WR, but iwht a nguy like Stallworth next yo him, it gives him a lot of single convering opperuntities. To drop the ball.
Stallworth/Brown=goodness. Bornw/Baskett=averagnemss.
Quote from: Munson on February 17, 2007, 02:34:14 AM
I'll throwe nmy catchable blalls in your mouth.
fargEkrS!~
I thin k Regieek could be a good #1 WR, but iwht a nguy like Stallworth next yo him, it gives him a lot of single convering opperuntities. To drop the ball.
Stallworth/Brown=goodness. Bornw/Baskett=averagnemss.
Wow.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2007, 03:08:38 AM
Quote from: Munson on February 17, 2007, 02:34:14 AM
I'll throwe nmy catchable blalls in your mouth.
fargEkrS!~
I thin k Regieek could be a good #1 WR, but iwht a nguy like Stallworth next yo him, it gives him a lot of single convering opperuntities. To drop the ball.
Stallworth/Brown=goodness. Bornw/Baskett=averagnemss.
Wow.
Keep posting, your making me look good.
That reminds me -- I need to get nice and plastered tonight.
But I won't be posting....
Quote from: Munson on February 17, 2007, 02:34:14 AM
I'll throwe nmy catchable blalls in your mouth.
fargEkrS!~
I thin k Regieek could be a good #1 WR, but iwht a nguy like Stallworth next yo him, it gives him a lot of single convering opperuntities. To drop the ball.
Stallworth/Brown=goodness. Bornw/Baskett=averagnemss.
fake drunk posting is the coolest
farging lightweight.
I figured that, after last weekend, Munson was just trying to squeeze some posting time while pleasuring his girlfriend. Mayhaps our Munson is just not that good at multitasking...
everyone started dropping the ball last yr when the team went to shtein. it was just a piece to the puzzel. mcnabb can afford to lay off on some short passes, but when it comes down to it, the receivers are paid to catch the damn ball. i don't care if the balls wraped in barbed wire. they need to catch the damn ball.
Well the lady works at 4, so fortunately I now get to catch some sleep after waking up way too early.
Sorry about that post. Too much jungle juice and dirty bananas. At least I got my point across.
This team needs Stallworth in a bad way if they're oging to continue to be 65% pass. I'm hoping, whether he's here or not, that running the ball takes a bit more priority. But Reggie Brown needs Stallworth to draw the double teams or we'll be relying on slower guys like Baskett and Avant to beat the 1-on-1 coverage downfield. Reggie can do that, he's a lot faster then we give him credit for, but without Donte he'll be drawing the safety over the top and we'll be dinkin and dunkin to Hank and Avant 35 times a game. Most exciting offense ever. :boom
Quote from: Munson on February 17, 2007, 03:31:35 PM
Sorry about that post. Too much jungle juice and dirty bananas. At least I got my point across.
If you're going to drink and post, don't do the following:
A. Make extra errors in your typing on purpose to try to appear more drunk than you are.
B. Admit that you got inibriated on "jungle juice" and "dirty bananas".
It's lamer than the 2007 Eagle offense sans Dante, kiddo.
His bananas as are only dirty after he gets done with them.
jungle juice slingin banana suckin flag.
Pinkston.
He just has bad manneans.
I honestly never understood the drunken posting. Ive never been so drunk my fingers go completely limp and I have to smash the keyboard to get the point/words across. Maybe I'm just drinking the wrong shtein.
Well I guess I get lazy and rest my hands on the keyboard. Other then that I can't figure out how I managed to throw in so many extra spaces and letters.
FastFreddie....Jungle Juice > Beer. Forever. But I'm playing pong tonight, so I'll have a beer in your name. And I love how much you think I care about my postings on a MB...like caring enough to "mess up typing on purpose". Hah! Who cares dude. It's a message board. I'm not going to try and look cool for my fellow message borderz
And maybe it's the drinknig but I'm starting to gain a little more hope on the Stallworth situation...yeah Rosenhaus is probably telling him to be PC, but he seems pretty genuine about wanting to come back here, and his comments indicate that the Eagles have told him they're going to wait until after FA starts to offer him a deal so they can keep thier 3rd rounder. This year more then ever that 3rd rounder is probably more valuable in the FO's eyes considering the Eagles have no extra picks this year (excluding comp picks, which will be low rounds).
Edit: Stallworth has said he wants a 5 or 6 year deal. Keeping that in mind, imagine you're an NFL GM, or the EAgles GM if you wish. How much are you willing to pay him for 5-6 years?
Resorting to the "I love how much you care" shtick won't fly. This is a message board, and opining on something is far from actually giving a shtein about it.
Jungle Juice is only better than beer when you're still at an age when alcohol is a novelty.
In my day jungle juice worked great for getting girls drunk. They like the fruity taste. If you mixed it right with grain alcohol, the clothes would fall right off them.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 17, 2007, 11:08:17 PM
Jungle Juice is only acceptable when you're at an age where drinking alcohol straight is scary and vomit enducing.
I'll bet Munson's never swigged from a bottle of Maker's Mark.
:-D I'm baggin up reading this shtein. Munson, its absolutely unbelievable you think Jungle Juice is better than beer. I really think you have a vagina.
Damn fellas... cut the kid a break. I used to think Jungle Juice was better than beer too... but then I looked down and realized I have a fleshpop so I had to cut that shtein out.
The problem is that we've all posted drunk--which includes some strange typos and all--but we all know there's a big difference between drunk typing and "trying to be like stilloncrack-drunk" typing.
Natural progression of drinking:
Wine Coolers/Zima (Tee Ball)
Jungle Juice (High School)
Beer (College)
Shots w/beer chasers (A)
Cocktails (AA)
Shots w/no chasers (AAA)
Straight alcohol (Major Leagues)
Munson, go see a plastic surgeon and tell him you want to get an Addasettome.
I need to know - where does shaving lotion fit into the general scheme? I'm hoping 'all-star'.
I'll bet Garrett and Britt will be qualifying before long too.
I sometimes wonder what you guys define as "jungle juice". It's not like I'm mixing 80 proof shtein into a drink. Vodka's easy goin down. Everclear...eh not so much. Fire water, I've had it straight plenty of times, not my cup of tea. I prefer it with some red kool aid and a dash of mountain dew. Tastey way to get drunk fast without developing a gut from drinking too much.
Beer's great if you got the time to take down enough to get you drunk, but I'm not that patient. It's useful to keep my buzz going throughout the night, but if I have a choice between some shots of vodka/some jack or brandy/a few cups of jungle juice.....or some cans of beer...I'm choosing the former. Beer pong and keg stands not withstanding. I'm sorry if beer is what all the cool guys with guts here wanna drink....but really all it is to the 18-24 bracket is a cheap means of supplying larger parties and a substance to play drinknig games with.
This all belongs in the drinking thread. I probably would have went there the other night but I wasn't really concerned with navigating my way around the MB, and I remembered for about 30 seconds that the Eagles better sign Donte Stallworth. Which, at this point in my sober life, still needs to happen.
Is there any way to put a limit on the number of words Munson is allowed to use per post? I think everyone would benefit, especially him since the more he types the farging dumber he sounds.
i m soo23 drinumnk !#@!
We can put the character limit for posts at any limit. 1 sounds pretty good.
!
Quote from: rjs246 on February 19, 2007, 09:11:49 AM
Is there any way to put a limit on the number of words Munson is allowed to use per post? I think everyone would benefit, especially him since the more he types the farging dumber he sounds.
Long winded diatribes are all teh rave!#@&#^!*@!@$(@!!###
Burp
Quote from: Munson on February 17, 2007, 10:11:08 PM
Edit: Stallworth has said he wants a 5 or 6 year deal. Keeping that in mind, imagine you're an NFL GM, or the EAgles GM if you wish. How much are you willing to pay him for 5-6 years?
Length is almost meaningless. Teams perfer length with a contract with a big SB so it lessens the cap hit ever year.
The size of the SB is all that matters (and the amount of base salary too, I guess).
if the Eagles dont resign Stallworth its a waste of an offseason, Garcia would be nice but Feely can probably hold down the fort until McNabb is ready, just committ to the run. Hopefully the Eagles get a friendly beginning of schedule
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on February 20, 2007, 04:24:53 PM
if the Eagles dont resign Stallworth its a waste of an offseason, Garcia would be nice but Feely can probably hold down the fort until McNabb is ready, just committ to the run. Hopefully the Eagles get a friendly beginning of schedule
JUST! HA! :boom
to quote Heckert on Comcast SportsNight
"Donté's a young guy that's had some injury concerns, and he wasn't super productive last year..."
par for the course since the season ended....i cant believe donte hears all this stuff and is still in the media saying how much he loves it here...hes gotta be taking the high road...he cannot be happy about the constant pot shots taken at him over the last month...at this point i almost hope he goes...well not really but truth be told the eagles dont deserve him
he did say after the "super productive" part that he did a good job last year. but i couldn't believe it when i heard it. Heckert/Andy/Banner/Lurie they're all the same person, and it's why that group will probably never win a SB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 08:47:11 AM....i cant believe donte hears all this stuff and is still in the media saying how much he loves it here...hes gotta be taking the high road...
For a few months of taking the high road, he could see extra dollars wherever he signs, just for playing the game the way massa likes it played.
imo they are trying to get him to blow up in the media so they can spin it as he isnt a good guy or he didnt really wanna be here
because right now you have the best FA on the market saying his number one choice by far is to stay in philly...and that aint gonna look good when they let him walk
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 08:55:57 AMbecause right now you have the best FA on the market saying his number one choice by far is to stay in philly...and that aint gonna look good when they let him walk
All the more reason for him to keep playing nice. I'm thinking that he's not telling the Eagles he wants to stay by sticking to this course, he's telling all the other teams that are looking at him: see, I can play nice.
Guy's done nothing but play nice his entire career. He's going to get paid well for it now.
just not by the eagles
wow. i have no confidence in a succesful team next yr...mostly because of the FO and coaches.
Fire Reid/Banner/Heckert
as long as the nfc remains a train wreck everyone has a chance to be successful depending on your definition...what they have no chance of is making the superbowl...
what im most concerned about is a huge step backwards...other than possibly at the PR/KR positions where can you make a realistic argument for an upgrade on this team...they arent getting any big free agents so that leaves them to rely on people like gocong considine bunkley avant to make this team better...or if they strike gold with one of their draft picks this year
as i did in a post a few weeks ago do the plus minus thing as far as players leaving vs players coming into the starting lineup for next year...its not pretty
normally if you were getting rid of a player like dhani jones it would be cause for a parade...but the eagles replace him with chris gocong...who would have ever thought that you could possibly replace dhani jones in your lineup and be worse off
Right - because Gocong has already proven to be worse than Jones.
it's your expectation he'll be better?
the guy has never played linebacker...ever, much less at the NFL level
Right - because Gocong has already proven to be worse than Jones.
how do you take my comment that gocong could POSSIBLY be worse than dhani and throw the word "proven" in italics
I heard the Eagles are going to go hard after Luther "Shark" Lavay to replace Dhani Jones.
Of course, that's only if Daniel Bateman doesn't come available. We all know they prefer to go white.
Rome's irrational hatred of IGY is pretty hilarious.
I want to know why Gocong is being written off without so much as playing a regular season down, that's all.
No hate here, dude.
the guy was a college division II defensive end who looked horrible in training camp last year...does that automatically write him off...of course not
but how about you give the reasons why you think he will be an upgrade
i have a feeling your only two reasons are 1) dhani sucks 2) because andy says so
and even if he ends up being an all pro im talking from the persepctive of today....can you give me a coherent legitimate argument for why the eagles will be significantly better next year than this....ill even give you an easier one and ask for an argument as to why they wont be significatly worse next year
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 21, 2007, 12:18:17 PM
I want to know why Gocong is being written off without so much as playing a regular season down, that's all.
No hate here, dude.
Dhani = suck
Gocong = x
I'll take the known over the unknown any day of the week. At least with Dhani, we know what kind of suck we're getting. Gocong could very well be suck
2. Or worse.
FWIW they had a clip of Heckert on NFL radio this morning and he said they do have enough money to resign Stallworth and Garcia, among others.
money has never been an issue....its who they spend it on
I think Matt McCoy and Sean Considine are about due for 8-year extensions.
it would be one thing if the Eagles knew how to draft linebackers, then i would give them the benefit of the doubt with Gocong. but they have proven they can't project college linebackers into the pros, how are they going to be able to project a Division 2 DE into a NFL backer?
Quote from: SunMo on February 21, 2007, 12:34:13 PM
it would be one thing if the Eagles knew how to draft linebackers, then i would give them the benefit of the doubt with Gocong. but they have proven they can't project college linebackers into the pros, how are they going to be able to project a Division 2 DE into a NFL backer?
Not only do they suck at drafting LB but they suck at signing them too. They've really only made 1 decent LB aquisition in the last 5 years or so and that was Barber when they signed him a few years back. Every other "notable" LB this team has brought in has turned out to be a flamming pile of dog poo. Dhani, Simmoneau, Kirkland, etc, etc.
carlos emmons says (http://www.accboards.com/UBB/wave.gif)
that's cool, say hi for me
Terry Tate would be a better fit FF.
My opinion on Gocong is roughly as useful as anyone's on this board because he's a near complete unknown.
Conversely, Dhani Jones is easily the worst player on that defense. An upgrade at the position is a must.
My point about Gocong is this: Until we know for certain that he's incapable of playing the position, he should be given a chance. Is it more reasonable to give him a shot or to write him off completely because he's an unknown?
If someone superior to Jones is available in free agency, you grab him. If someone superior is available in the draft, you grab him. If neither is an option, I say give Gocong a shot.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 21, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: SunMo on February 21, 2007, 12:34:13 PM
it would be one thing if the Eagles knew how to draft linebackers, then i would give them the benefit of the doubt with Gocong. but they have proven they can't project college linebackers into the pros, how are they going to be able to project a Division 2 DE into a NFL backer?
Not only do they suck at drafting LB but they suck at signing them too. They've really only made 1 decent LB aquisition in the last 5 years or so and that was Barber when they signed him a few years back. Every other "notable" LB this team has brought in has turned out to be a flamming pile of dog poo. Dhani, Simmoneau, Kirkland, etc, etc.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 12:49:20 PM
carlos emmons says (http://www.accboards.com/UBB/wave.gif)
Emmons was signed 7 years back
how can he not be good? just look at his body.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/JOENEJALJMOD/gocong_470_060429.jpg)
My point about Gocong is this: Until we know for certain that he's incapable of playing the position, he should be given a chance. Is it more reasonable to give him a shot or to write him off completely because he's an unknown?
If someone superior to Jones is available in free agency, you grab him. If someone superior is available in the draft, you grab him. If neither is an option, I say give Gocong a shot.
so in other words romey gocong is the last possible resort on earth in replacing dhani
which means you can admit that its possible that gocong will be worse than dhani...much in the same way mccoy was worse than simenou this year
Emmons was signed 7 years back
5 years or so
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 01:09:13 PM
Emmons was signed 7 years back
5 years or so
McNabb has had 30 or so TDs more than once.
McNabb has had 30 or so TDs more than once.
good point
and he has zero or so superbowl wins
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 12:49:20 PM
carlos emmons says (http://www.accboards.com/UBB/wave.gif)
Ok, 2 good LB aquisitions in Reid's tenure as HC. Wow.
What's the other one?
Id take Gocong at SLB just for the fact that I would never have to see that horrid guitar dance ever again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 01:09:13 PM
so in other words romey gocong is the last possible resort on earth in replacing dhani
which means you can admit that its possible that gocong will be worse than dhani...much in the same way mccoy was worse than simenou this year
Last resort? IMO, yes. I'd rather have Gocong play at his natural position than try to shoehorn him into a position he's never played before.
That said, if the Eagles go out and sign a replacement for Dhani, then we'll have our answer. If they draft a SAM, we'll know. If they do neither and release Jones, then we'll know that Gocong has been given the job based on what he's done in the offseason (learning the defense, his position, and getting himself in shape) and in camp.
I think to be fair, he has to be given a shot to win or lose the job before any one of us dismisses him as a bust like you have done repeatedly, IGY.
Ok, 2 good LB aquisitions in Reid's tenure as HC. Wow.
oh point was taken and i totally agree...i just thought it only fair that their best lb aquisition be mentioned
I think to be fair, he has to be given a shot to win or lose the job before any one of us dismisses him as a bust like you have done repeatedly, IGY.
that can be said about any sports prediction ever made...what we do is based on everything we know make a determination on whether a team a player a coach ect...is going to be good
my thing with gocong is other than pure blind faith theres really no reason to think hes going to be better than dhani
As I said earlier, I'd rather have Gocong playing one of the rotational DE's than SAM.
Knowing Jim Johnson, though, it's entirely possible that Gocong might be used as a hybrid-type player who plays up or down depending on circumstances.
Also - I think a case can be made that anyone would be preferable to Dhani, even a 2nd year player with little experience at the position. Dhani's just that awful.
true dhanis awful for an nfl linebacker...but theres nothing that would indicate gocong is an nfl linebacker at all
Quote from: MURP on February 21, 2007, 02:08:10 PM
Id take Gocong at SLB just for the fact that I would never have to see that horrid guitar dance ever again.
C'mon, man. If you learn to play the guitar, you can have SEX with GIRLS on SATURDAYS!
caldwell was a ray rhodes guy
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
I heard the Eagles are going to go hard after Luther "Shark" Lavay to replace Dhani Jones.
Of course, that's only if Daniel Bateman doesn't come available. We all know they prefer to go white.
you sure they are going after Justin or Justine Bateman, you know how Banner is with the change purse. :-o
I hate going into the season with unknowns because when they don't pan out then it is pretty much oh well better luck next year. The Eagles put way too much stock into Bunkley and the defensive line suffered because of it. Anyone could see that Patterson is average and Walker sucks. They thought Bunkley would come in and tear it up as a rookie.
So if the Eagles want Gocong to start at SAM but don't want to be stuck in a corner, then as I said last week, the solution is Emmons(from their point of view). He is cheap, knows the system, and if Gocong sucks you just plug him right in at SAM. Of course Emmons sucks now, but then again Trotter sucked in Washington and became good here again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 03:17:33 PM
caldwell was a ray rhodes guy
And that's the exact reason why I didn't mention the likes of Ike Reese either. Although, he was never a great LB as much as he was a special teamer.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 21, 2007, 12:23:33 PM
I'll take the known over the unknown any day of the week. At least with Dhani, we know what kind of suck we're getting. Gocong could very well be suck2. Or worse.
Sarge luvs him sum raised type.
Not anymore. We broke up. That bith.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2007, 12:30:49 PM
money has never been an issue....its who they spend it on
He also said they want to resign them.
Good Les Bowen article in which heckert 'splains a few things.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/16745636.htm (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/16745636.htm)
Most notable points
- if they need more cap room, than can easily create it by converting '07 roster bonuses into signing bonuses
- such would be the case if they decided to franchise or sign Stallworth to a sizeable contract; creating the $ isn't the issue
- they are trying to re-sign Stallworth, Garcia, Mikell, Juqua, and Bucky. Will James and Barber are also possibilities per Bowen
- if they can re-sign Mikell, they might not have to go after more than 1 saftey in the draft/FA
I like Heckert interviews alot. He says more in 10 minutes than AR will say in 5 years. Philly.com also has another article with out- takes from Heckert.
I'm not sure but I think next week is the end of the period to franchise players and coincides with the beginning of free agency. Heckert said there could be re-signings before this time.
PackersNews.com (Green Bay Press Gazette):
QuoteThere's nothing approaching an outstanding receiver on the market, though Philadelphia's Donte Stallworth is perhaps the most intriguing player because of his speed. St. Louis' Kevin Curtis is another receiver who can stretch the field, and Tennessee's Drew Bennett is a big target who's become productive.
Stallworth was drafted by New Orleans when McCarthy was the Saints' offensive coordinator. Stallworth, 26, might be young enough to appeal to Thompson's and McCarthy's rebuilding plans, but in a weak free-agent market in which 22 teams have at least $10 million in salary-cap room, he might come at a price that's too inflated to bear for Thompson, who has proven cautious to operating in the higher-stakes free-agent market.
The Eagles couldn't possibly lose their best free agent to the Packers.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 24, 2007, 04:39:46 PM
The Eagles couldn't possibly lose their best free agent to the Packers.
That would be unprecedented!!AiDs!!1!
Oh great...next thing you know God's gonna get involved. We can only hope Donte leans Dante...
If he does, there's a good chance Bunkley might die in a car accident. The player or the poster.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=65244
QuoteThe only starter not under contract is wide receiver Donté Stallworth. The Eagles acquired Stallworth in a trade last August and he caught 38 passes for 725 yards and five touchdowns in the regular season. Stallworth's 19.1 yards per catch led the entire NFL, but he missed four games with a hamstring injury. In the playoffs, Stallworth caught six passes for 141 yards and a pair of touchdowns.
Stallworth's greatest asset is his speed and his ability to stretch the field. Stallworth has expressed his desire to remain an Eagle in numerous interviews since the end of the season, but Mornhinweg is prepared to move on should Stallworth sign with another team. He has a lot of confidence in Reggie Brown, who will be entering his third season, as well as last year's rookie receivers - Jason Avant and Hank Baskett.
"We've got some good young players on this football team who are ready to step up," said Mornhinweg.
Thanks for the memories, Donte.
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welcome to a month ago romey
The whole thread's from a month ago.
Shut up.
Quote"We've got some good young players on this football team who are ready to step up," said Mornhinweg.
Donte Stallworth is, coincidentally, a very good young player.
His hamstring prevents him from stepping up?
That sounds roughly like the steaming pile of bullshtein the FO will feed us on this one... yep.
this is quote from saints general manager mickey loomis that was in the daily news on friday...
Loomis said injuries weren't the Saints' primary concern with Stallworth. They were more worried about not being able to re-sign him.
"I think the injury history is a little overblown," Loomis said. "He had some of those issues early on for us, but not the last couple of years. I know he had an issue this year in Philadelphia, but I don't know all the circumstances involved."
The Amazing Kreskin: "Thursday Afternoon."
Eckel:
QuoteStallworth and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, want the bidding for the fleet wideout to begin at six years and $40 million, with an $18 million signing bonus.
A more realistic deal might be six years for $35 million, with $14 million in bonuses.
Chump change.
As long as it doesn't cross the 35 mark the Eagles should keep him. Avant is not a viable replacement. Nor is Baskett for that matter. If they don't want to damage their cap number then make the first year small. Banner is smart enough to get the numbers right.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 25, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Eckel:
QuoteStallworth and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, want the bidding for the fleet wideout to begin at six years and $40 million, with an $18 million signing bonus.
A more realistic deal might be six years for $35 million, with $14 million in bonuses.
He's the best WR available in free agency. Realism's got nothing to do with what he'll be looking for or what he'll end up getting.
The Eagles aren't paying 40 mil with a 18 mil signing bonus. Ain't happnin".
derrick burgess was overpaid too
yeah, but his injury history....
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks. Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money? Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?
Does anyone remember off-hand what they paid T.O. when he signed?
it was a 10 mil sb
i dont recall the overall numbers 7 years 45 mil???
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 25, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks. Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money? Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?
I think he's worth 5 mil a year or 30 mil for five years with a 10 mil signing bonus. No, I don't think he's worth 40 mil for 6 years with a 18 mil signing bonus. But someone will pay him close to that, imo.
Amazing how much the financial landscape in the NFL has changed since March 2004.
Anyway...
I don't really give a shtein what it takes to sign Stallworth. They should recognize his worth to the team and sign him, period. If it means going over budget for once, then do it. He's worth it, IMO.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 25, 2007, 08:23:22 PM
Amazing how much the financial landscape in the NFL has changed since March 2004.
Anyway...
I don't really give a shtein what it takes to sign Stallworth. They should recognize his worth to the team and sign him, period. If it means going over budget for once, then do it. He's worth it, IMO.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Whatever, stalker.
Idiot. I agree with an idiot. Ha!
Anyway - the thing that concerns me with Stallworth is that if the Eagles really believe that Avant and Baskett are the answer at the #2 & #3 receivers, that means they think Reggie is truly a #1. He hasn't shown that at all yet. That's why I think having a guy like Stallworth, who is a legitimate "1-a" type guy and a great complement to Brown on the other side of the field, is so important.
They can blow sunshine up our asses about Avant & Baskett all they want, but the truth is, Stallworth and Brown together make a formidable duo. Avant & Baskett might be decent #3's but there's no way they compare to either Brown or Stallworth.
Regardless, I just don't see why they would let a serious weapon like Donte get away when he's right there ready to be had. If the only stumbling block is money, then work it out, already.
Hank Baskett is the next Marques Colston. A1DS.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 25, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks. Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money? Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?
To the
Eagles... yes, he's worth it. When your alternatives are Baskett and Avant... he's worth it. This is one of those times when
possibly overpaying for a player is worth it.
Besides, if they don't resign him... then the Saints basically stole a 4th rounder from us because we won't have shtein to show for the trade. Just like we AJ Feeley'd the Dolphins... the Saints would have essentially done the same thing to us... only we would have let a productive player go for nothing.
exactly....plan A isnt always the best course of action when you have a sufficient plan B...the eagles dont have a sufficient plan B
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 25, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
Does anyone remember off-hand what they paid T.O. when he signed?
7 yrs, 49M--his first year was 10M SB and 700K salary. His second year was due to be 3M, and he earned a 500K bonus, so it was 3.5M--the third year was due to be a 5M roster bonus and a 2.5M salary.
They got a year of significant production out of a WR for a fourth round pick.
That's not exactly nothing. In fact, it's a hell of a lot more than any of their WR picks have produced other than Reggie Brown.
Just saying...
So you accept that we should absolutely sign Stallworth, and move forward with Trotter, Jones (or Gocong) and Gaither (or McCoy) as out starting LBs. No safety outside of an aging and breaking down Dawkins. And inadequate pass rushing. Unless the young'uns can pick up the slack. Me, personally, if Stallworth can make megabucks (and he will, he's the best of a poor FA class), let him do it elsewhere. If they use all their FA money resigning Stallworth, they'll need to score 30 points a game to have a decent record, which I don't see happening. That money could be better spent on defense.
i think they will sign a veteran lb this offseason in case gocong mccoy or both cant play...but outside of that they arent going to address in FA those positions you mention until at least next year...so this year you lock up stallworth who is arguably the best FA on the market at any position...and address the other positions with draft picks and/or in FA next year
MMH: The defense will take a lot more than a couple of middle tier free agents to fix it.
The offense, on the other hand, the status quo would be maintained by retaining Stallworth. So, if you're asking me if I would rather blow the entire load of available cash on Donte rather than using it elsewhere on less desirable/talented players regardless of position, the answer would be yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2007, 10:44:49 PM
i think they will sign a veteran lb this offseason in case gocong mccoy or both cant play...
Boy, that's awfully positive of you - I would have said they will address the LB position with an UDFA...but you are right: they might still sign Emmons or Arrington.
believe it or not i think they sign a rb as well...there should be some decent #2 rb's available
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2007, 06:17:40 AM
believe it or not i think they sign a rb as well...
I agree. His name is Correll Buckhalter.
:crazy
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 25, 2007, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 25, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks. Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money? Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?
To the Eagles... yes, he's worth it. When your alternatives are Baskett and Avant... he's worth it. This is one of those times when possibly overpaying for a player is worth it.
Besides, if they don't resign him... then the Saints basically stole a 4th rounder from us because we won't have shtein to show for the trade. Just like we AJ Feeley'd the Dolphins... the Saints would have essentially done the same thing to us... only we would have let a productive player go for nothing.
All things considered, if he can stay healthy the Eagles have already made and investment in Stallworth and should do everything in their power to resign him.
If they could get him at 5 for 30 with a 12 million bonus or something like that, it would be perfect.
That's a lot of money for Stallworth though. Almost 7 million a year? 18 million signing bonus? How much of that will he want right now?
THe eagles only got about 9 mil to spare. That signing bonus would pretty much eliminate all cap space.
guess what you gotta pay for the best players...and it isnt as tho the eagles have been developing their own lately...or in the case of wr's ever
and who cares if it eats up most of their cap its not as tho they are gonna use the money on anything of significance this year
to me its the ultimate year to 'overpay' if youre the eagles...one of your own is the #1 FA at his position and that position happens to be a place where you will desperately need talent were you to let him go
Again, there's still a set amount that gets set asidde for the rookie pool....Even if they do have the cash to get him....are you ready to sit through another year of piss poor defense??
the cap is not an issue, the team's GM even said it
Even if they do have the cash to get him
theres no IF about it...they have plenty of money to sign stallworth...as for the defense you act like if they dont sign stallworth they are going to go out and sign a big time defender...not gonna happen dunny
Quote from: SunMo on February 26, 2007, 05:09:20 PM
the cap is not an issue, the team's GM even said it
That was before Ro$enhau$ threw out the demand for an 18 million dollar signing bonus.
IGY, you're probably right...but breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 05:16:57 PM
breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.
Again, you're simply wrong.
Really? Breaking the bank on Stallworth = no help on defense this year. That means two years from now, we'll be depending on 1. Whatever rookies drafted in the '08 draft to contribute (Didn't we just do that this year?) 2. The slight possibility that they bring in a semi-big/big FA, and hoping that he can learn the defense in one year and not turn into a Kearse or a Howard, getting paid more then what he's coontributing.
In a perfect world the Eagles could get Stallworth for a much more reasonable price then what he's asking for, and still have money left over to concentrate the draft and FA on improving the defense. In the real world....Stallworth is gone, the Eagles will draft a bust DE in the first round, Kearse will re-injure himself, leaving Trent Cole and Darren Howard alone to wear down all year.
Belive it or not, Juqua Thomas and Q. Mikell are very important signigns to this defense....why? Because right now they have two healthy DE's who wore down playing so much last year, another DE who depends on his speed coming back froom an ACL tear, and Jerome Mcbust. Thomas' services will be needed next year. I dojn't think I gotta talk about Considine starting at SS.
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 05:31:43 PM
Really? Breaking the bank on Stallworth = no help on defense this year.
Realistically who's out there defensively that we'd sign?
That cap space is going to go to waste, we're in fine shape next season, a lot of the bonuses were paid using this years cap. Caps also going up significantly next season. I'd rather have to not worry about the Offense whatsoever and concentrate our resources solely on the draft for our Defense.
Can we get some sort of character limit imposed on Munson's posts? He spends a lot of time saying things that either don't make sense or are simply not true. Let's try and limit that.
I already suggested that. Biter.
Oh. I do appreciate you correcting and insulting me in a time efficient manner though. Kudos to you, sir. You're a true pro.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 05:43:44 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 05:31:43 PM
Really? Breaking the bank on Stallworth = no help on defense this year.
Realistically who's out there defensively that we'd sign?
Three guys already on the roster who will help next year if they're here. Three guys that, if the resign Stallworth, won't be here next year, and we'll have exactly 2 healthy DE's, 2 safety's (one of them being Sean Considine), and your #3 CB will be named Joselio.
What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.
I agree that they will sign a RB and either a veteran LB or veteran DE. They won't go after a LB like Thomas, but I think they'll go after one. At least that LB will be better than Dhani. I think they'll go after Ahman Green at RB. He isn't a bruising back, but he knows the system, can receive, and run between the tackles.
The rest gets addressed in the draft. They hate drafting LBs so my guess is they sign a veteran LB, not DE and take whatever the better player of DE and safety is left on the board when they pick.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 06:04:20 PM
What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.
Again, Heckert said all this before the demands of an 18 million signing bonus came out. How much of that is Stallworth going to want up front? How much of the available cap is set aside for the rookie pool?
Signing Stallworth would most likely mean bye bye to those three. It would give them free range to draft all defense....but depending on rookies to get the job done on defense is old. Real old.
The 18 million signing bonus is a ploy. The only team that would pay it is the taterskins.
Yes, I seriously doubt he'll get an SB THAT big. But some team sittin 25 million below the cap will come close enough to it for us to say bye-bye to Donte.
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 06:04:20 PM
What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.
Again, Heckert said all this before the demands of an 18 million signing bonus came out. How much of that is Stallworth going to want up front? How much of the available cap is set aside for the rookie pool?
Signing Stallworth would most likely mean bye bye to those three. It would give them free range to draft all defense....but depending on rookies to get the job done on defense is old. Real old.
He can have the entire bonus, it won't effect this years cap if the Eagles don't want it to. You can prorate bonuses over the life of the contract.
The thing I don't get is why money is an issue with them. If there were other good WRs lined up besides him then I'd understand. There aren't though.
breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.
i dont even know what breaking the bank means here...as for your two year comment thats just 100% dead wrong
a team like the skins has for the better part of the last decade gone out every year and signed who they wanted when they wanted even being over or at the cap (the decisions have been horrible but the money has always been there) ...but all of a sudden if the eagles sign one player they break the bank and cant improve their team for the next two years...you have stared into banners swirly lolipop one too many times
Quote from: King Cole on February 26, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
The 18 million signing bonus is a ploy. The only team that would pay it is the taterskins.
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2007, 08:53:27 PM
breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.
i dont even know what breaking the bank means here...as for your two year comment thats just 100% dead wrong
a team like the skins has for the better part of the last decade gone out every year and signed who they wanted when they wanted even being over or at the cap (the decisions have been horrible but the money has always been there) ...but all of a sudden if the eagles sign one player they break the bank and cant improve their team for the next two years...you have stared into banners swirly lolipop one too many times
I'll steal this from another thread and apply it here:
Quote from: rjs246 on February 26, 2007, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 05:55:19 PM
If Stallworth is gone and they draft a WR in the first, I won't be too pissed off.
Well, that's because you're an idiot.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 26, 2007, 07:13:59 PM
Some explanations are easier than others.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 06:04:20 PM
What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.
Again, Heckert said all this before the demands of an 18 million signing bonus came out. How much of that is Stallworth going to want up front? How much of the available cap is set aside for the rookie pool?
Signing Stallworth would most likely mean bye bye to those three. It would give them free range to draft all defense....but depending on rookies to get the job done on defense is old. Real old.
He can have the entire bonus, it won't effect this years cap if the Eagles don't want it to. You can prorate bonuses over the life of the contract.
Yes, you can prorate the bonuses over the life of the contract. But the Eagles are going to have to give up a certain amount RIGHT UP FRONT of that bonus, which could likely put Stallworth's cap number for this year close to or in 8 figures. Say it's an 18 million bonus over 6 years....Donte's not gonna sign without getting at LEAST 6 million of that THIS year. Not with Drew Rosenhaus as his client, after the TO/Rosenhause debacle.
Assuming the Eagles don't break away from thier traditional MO, Stallworth is gone. It's time to move on. 6 years, 40 million, 18 mil SB is asking too much for Stallworth. They're taking advantage of the extremely inflated cap space that a lot of teams in the NFL have with that asking price, and the Eagles are not one of those teams with an inflated amount of cap space. Not with where they are RIGHT NOW at this exact moment. If they can pull of some moves, cuts, and restructures to make enough room to sign Stallworth and keep a few other key FA's here, then I'll officially like the Eagles FO. At least for a little bit. Until they draft another bust DL or LB.
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i don't get it
i'd do the bitch
Aww sorry, too may words for IGY. Let me try something...
YO DA EAGLES SUCK DEY GOTS ALL DAT MONEY TO COP DAT BUTTA JOINT WIDE RECEIVER DONTE BUT THEY WON'T LET IT RAIN ON THAT *expletive* DEY GOT DA fargIN MONEY, DEY CAN AFFORD IT, IT WON'T HURT THEM IN ANY OTHA POSISTION. farg DA EAGLES FO, IF YOU DON'T AGREe WITH ME YOU MUST LIKE THAT WHITEY JOE BANNER.
I know I for one am damn excited about Sean Considine next year. And Joselio will light the world on fire. :deion
okay, I smirked. still...too many words
Quote from: Diomedes on February 26, 2007, 09:53:40 PM
okay, I smirked. still...too many words
It's all about the slang Dio.
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 09:42:47 PM
Yes, you can prorate the bonuses over the life of the contract. But the Eagles are going to have to give up a certain amount RIGHT UP FRONT of that bonus, which could likely put Stallworth's cap number for this year close to or in 8 figures. Say it's an 18 million bonus over 6 years....Donte's not gonna sign without getting at LEAST 6 million of that THIS year. Not with Drew Rosenhaus as his client, after the TO/Rosenhause debacle.
You don't understand the way signing bonuses work, he'd get the 18 mill up front, but its the Eagles discretion as to when they count it against the cap, here's a more in depth definition:
QuoteBecause salaries have continued to grow at a rate outpacing the salary cap, teams have found ways to circumvent the cap. Signing bonuses don't count toward a team's cap for a given year. A player who receives a signing bonus gets more money for that year than his recorded "salary," leaving more room in the cap for the other players.
Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let's say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year). Most NFL contracts are "back-ended" -- most of the base salary is located in the last two or three years of the contract. If we suppose that our player's contract is structured so that he has a base salary of $2-million the first year, with higher base salaries in the final two years of the contract, the $13-million (base salary + signing bonus) paid out in the first year appears as $3.57-million to the cap! The advantage of signing bonuses for the owner is that he now has more money to spend under the cap. This is how the Washington taterskins ran up a total payroll of $92.41-million in the 2000 season when the cap was $67-million. The advantage for the player is that all signing-bonus money is guaranteed to be paid, whereas an NFL contract is not guaranteed.
There are drawbacks to signing bonuses for the owner, however. Because the bonus is guaranteed to the player, if the player is released, traded or waived, all of the bonus money that was being prorated throughout the length of the contract is accelerated to the present year. So, if our team released its star player after the third year of his contract (before June 1) for whatever reason, the entire remainder of the bonus, almost $6.3-million, will have to count toward the cap the next year (if the team releases the player after June 1, only the yearly $1.57-million will count the next year, and the remainder will count the subsequent year).
Bottom line is, the cap flexibility is there if they want to use it.
who's the bigger ass?
munson
or
those that continue to argue with him?
tough question, but I gotta go with munson
of course, i just replied to him the other thread where he's waging his war on common sense, so who am i to talk.
it's just so tempting to debate with someone so mentally inferior with you, it's the proverbial fish in a barrel situation.
Quote from: SunMo on February 26, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
who's the bigger ass?
munson
or
those that continue to argue with him?
Glass stones, houses or something:
Quote from: SunMo on February 26, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
QuoteYou fail to realize that Heckert said this BEFORE Rosenhaus let it be known that Donte wants THAT much cash. I think even you weren't expecting Stallworth to be asking for that kind of top 5 WR in the NFL money.
It's funny...when Heckert or whoever else says something to the press that you like and agree with, they must be telling the truth. But any other time...they're liars. laugh
this is why your a moron...
you really think the Eagles were shocked by what Stallworth wants? honestly? are you that dumb.
and, it's easy to assume Heckert is telling the truth about the cap, because he's actually making himself look worse by saying what he said. it would be in his benefit to say, "we'd like to sign him, but we just can't due to our cap situation" instead, he's sticking the FO collective necks out even further by saying they could sign him if they want.
just get off it already.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2007, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 09:42:47 PM
Yes, you can prorate the bonuses over the life of the contract. But the Eagles are going to have to give up a certain amount RIGHT UP FRONT of that bonus, which could likely put Not with Drew Rosenhaus as his client, after the TO/Rosenhause debacle.
You don't understand the way signing bonuses work, he'd get the 18 mill up front, but its the Eagles discretion as to when they count it against the cap, here's a more in depth definition:
QuoteBecause salaries have continued to grow at a rate outpacing the salary cap, teams have found ways to circumvent the cap. Signing bonuses don't count toward a team's cap for a given year. A player who receives a signing bonus gets more money for that year than his recorded "salary," leaving more room in the cap for the other players.
Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let's say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year). Most NFL contracts are "back-ended" -- most of the base salary is located in the last two or three years of the contract. If we suppose that our player's contract is structured so that he has a base salary of $2-million the first year, with higher base salaries in the final two years of the contract, the $13-million (base salary + signing bonus) paid out in the first year appears as $3.57-million to the cap! The advantage of signing bonuses for the owner is that he now has more money to spend under the cap. This is how the Washington taterskins ran up a total payroll of $92.41-million in the 2000 season when the cap was $67-million. The advantage for the player is that all signing-bonus money is guaranteed to be paid, whereas an NFL contract is not guaranteed.
There are drawbacks to signing bonuses for the owner, however. Because the bonus is guaranteed to the player, if the player is released, traded or waived, all of the bonus money that was being prorated throughout the length of the contract is accelerated to the present year. So, if our team released its star player after the third year of his contract (before June 1) for whatever reason, the entire remainder of the bonus, almost $6.3-million, will have to count toward the cap the next year (if the team releases the player after June 1, only the yearly $1.57-million will count the next year, and the remainder will count the subsequent year).
Bottom line is, the cap flexibility is there if they want to use it.
Well if it's that easy to keep his cap numbers down, and Rosenhaus is going to play ball with the Eagles, then I guess we can expect to see Stallworth signed here at 12:01 on the first day of FA.
And I for one am still hoping it happens. But I'm also preparing for life after Stallworth.
SARS
Quote from: Munson on February 26, 2007, 11:00:29 PM
Well if it's that easy to keep his cap numbers down, and Rosenhaus is going to play ball with the Eagles, then I guess we can expect to see Stallworth signed here at 12:01 on the first day of FA.
And I for one am still hoping it happens. But I'm also preparing for life after Stallworth.
You're using the "Stallworth probably won't be signed" argument to buttress your "the Eagles don't have the cap room to spend on Stallworth and also improve the team elsewhere" argument.
Stop it. You're full of #2.
Opposites attract.
F+
I'm back where I belong.
so they finally used a 4th round DP on someone who can play and they get rid of him! I mean really why cant see the big picture, that with Stallworth they FINALLY have a set of WRs that causes the other team problems?
18 million signing bonus over 5 years with no initial base salary is $3.6 million cap hit for the first year and then 3.6 plus whatever salary each consecutive year. That's not too shabby.
what?!!???
3.6 million in cap hit is not that much. Are youse crazy?
and if you gave him 18 million up front, if the salary was evenly distributed each year the average cap hit would be 2.4 million. So, 6 million a year in cap. Is that so bad? The salary cap will soon be over 100 million, and i'm sure the eagles would back-load to take advantage of that. Is 6% of your cap so terrible to spend on your #1 reciever?
Is 6% of your cap so terrible to spend on your #1 reciever?
not at all...and as mentioned many times before...the eagles can afford that but simply dont want to
the eagles dont ever do much in freee agency but the one time youd think theyd make an exception is for their own guy who is the number one FA at his position and someone who just six months ago you gave up a draft pick
what curious is that they were concerned enough with their wr's at the time to give a pick for stallworth..and this is a team that loves draft picks...now they are going into next year with just as bad wr's and on top of that concerns at the QB position...can you imagine a scenario where feely is throwin to baskett and avant for the for the first quarter of the season....yikes
... with one less draft pick for their troubles.
According to Spadaro's blog, Stallworth/Rosenhaus plan to wait and see what Kevin Curtis gets (from Detroit?) and use that as the minimum for a new deal. He says he's pretty much accepted that Stallworth is gone...
Some guy on WIP from the west coast(a Niners writer) said he doesn't think the Niners will go after Stallworth. He said they'll address defense in free agency and go receiver in the draft.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 02, 2007, 12:48:41 AM
According to Spadaro's blog, Stallworth/Rosenhaus plan to wait and see what Kevin Curtis gets (from Detroit?) and use that as the minimum for a new deal. He says he's pretty much accepted that Stallworth is gone...
That blog has me ready to crush my computer with my bare hands. :boom
Quote from: methdeez on March 01, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
18 million signing bonus over 5 years with no initial base salary is $3.6 million cap hit for the first year and then 3.6 plus whatever salary each consecutive year. That's not too shabby.
Everyone in the NFL gets a base salary, no matter what their bonus is. The thing that agents look at is the first 3 years of the contract--that's why a lot of teams are putting in option bonuses and roster bonuses in 2nd and 3rd years of contracts. If someone gives Stallworth 18M, they'd better spread it over 6 years, the maximum allowable; at any rate, 18M plus 600K in his initial year, would be 3.6M--but then you have the salaries going up after that--at worst a minimum salary based on longevity in the league.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 02, 2007, 12:48:41 AM
According to Spadaro's blog, Stallworth/Rosenhaus plan to wait and see what Kevin Curtis gets (from Detroit?) and use that as the minimum for a new deal. He says he's pretty much accepted that Stallworth is gone...
Detroit's really gonna pay Curtis that much money, enough for his contract to be the minimum for Stallworth? Wow....Either Curtis is getting overpayed or Rosenhaus is going to be REALLY open to negotiations down from that initial number he threw out.
I still think the Eagles will throw a contract offer his way right out of the gate....but I think it'll be far below 6/40/18 and I think some team with a lot more cap space will throw near that amount at Stallworth and he'll take the money over the team situation.
or Rosenhaus is going to be REALLY open to negotiations down from that initial number he threw out
just unbelievable that an agent would throw out an initial number that was unrealistic isnt it?
I still think the Eagles will throw a contract offer his way right out of the gate
who cares....theyve been throwin contracts at him since the day they got him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 06:33:58 AM
who cares....theyve been throwin contracts at him since the day they got him
Under that whole pile of shtein, there's GOTTA be a pony under there SOMEWHERE!
easy you better be posting to tell me that the eagles are making a real push to sign donte
:-D Nah, I was just responding to this...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 06:33:58 AMwho cares....theyve been throwin contracts at him since the day they got him
...and supposedly they offered him the same deal Reggie Brown got (5/$27M/$10M) and he wanted no part of it...
So much for him staying in Philly for less money.
:-D
I always thought that notion was comical and not in a good way. More of a "I'm laughing at this poor retarded mongoloid and I'll probably have to do 100 years in purgatory because of it" kinda way.
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
jesus christ, stop saying that
Quote from: SunMo on March 02, 2007, 02:43:09 PM
jesus christ, stop saying that posting living
Fixed.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 02, 2007, 02:41:28 PM
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
If they needed him to, I'm sure he would! That is not the case though! Heckert even said that if they needed more cap space they can do it, but they don't have the need right now!!!
ha
but they don't have the need right now!
the need for what?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
but they don't have the need right now!
the need for what?
Apparently, they don't need a receiver that loves to play here, makes a ton of big plays, and gets wide open enough routinely that a QB without pinpoint precision can still find him.
oh...right
I hear Jason Avant's ready to get in there and mix it up.
mix it up with hanky poo for that #2 wr spot
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
but they don't have the need right now!
the need for what?
I was saying that the need for McNabb to restructure to sign Stallworth is not needed, not that Stallworth is not needed.
I was trying to use phillywin2k5's patented overuse of exclamation points technique & didn't mean to confuse anyone.
i knew this...i was just playin with you (no homo)
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 03:20:58 PM
mix it up with hanky poo for that #2 wr spot
That's cool. I learned today that Baskett is a faster version of Ernest Wilford. The WR's are fine.
I'm kinda disappointed that Stallworth hasn't signed with the taterskins yet.
What's Danny waiting for?
They only target older, past-their-prime players. Signing a 26-year-old is not the Danny-boy way.
I really think that if the Eagles had faith in Stallworth to stay healthy, they'd find the cap space to sign him. I think his chronic hamstrings are more of a factor than the $$$.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 02, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
but they don't have the need right now!
the need for what?
Apparently, they don't need a receiver that loves to play here, makes a ton of big plays, and gets wide open enough routinely that a QB without pinpoint precision can still find him 38 times a season.
Christ. He was nice to have on the team, but he wasn't quite the replacement for TO we were all hoping for. They have nobody to replace him, but that doesn't make him irreplaceable. The fact that they never will, however...
Hee. Replace is such a funny word...
Quote from: SidFarkus on March 02, 2007, 03:44:51 PM
I really think that if the Eagles had faith in Stallworth to stay healthy, they'd find the cap space to sign him. I think his chronic hamstrings are more of a factor than the $$$.
http://www.youtube.com/v/WECiW-3Riho
No Stallworth news yet, eh? Maybe he doesn't have as much interest as anticipated.
...or maybe this is just going to be a slow torture for Eagles fans.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 02, 2007, 03:32:12 PM
I'm kinda disappointed that Stallworth hasn't signed with the taterskins yet.
What's Danny waiting for?
how does he do it every year and still have $$$ the following year??
Quote from: King Cole on March 02, 2007, 03:59:37 PM
No Stallworth news yet, eh? Maybe he doesn't have as much interest as anticipated.
...or maybe this is just going to be a slow torture for Eagles fans.
He's not really one of the top 5-10 guys out there. Those guys are going to get the big interest right away.
Latest update from Clayton on Sportscenter: Stallworth has no visits scheduled but is hoping to meet with San Francisco, and he's still talking to the Eagles
Damn you Ed for giving me a glimmer of hope
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 02, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
Damn you Ed for giving me a glimmer of hope
I know, right.
Ed, I swear to Jeebus, God and Baby Jeebus that I'm going to kick your ass up and down the Linc parking lot if the Eagles don't resign him now. And if you're a lot bigger than me then I'm just going to cheap shot you in the nuts and run like hell. Cause I ain't scared of anyone who can't catch me.
There's been some confusion about NO's compensation if he does/doesn't re-sign, here's the lowdown compliments of Spads:
QuoteTo clear up some draft pick questions (I know, I know, it's still free agency, but ...) the Eagles have all of their draft picks except one this year. If Donte' Stallworth signs elsewhere in free agency, the Eagles owe New Orleans a fourth-round pick this year. If the Eagles sign Stallworth (and I think it is very much a longshot), the Eagles owe New Orleans a third-round pick in April.
I know SF had a lot of money going into FA, but now that they've just signed Clements and Lewis, how they doing? They still got plenty of money for Stallworth?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 02, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
There's been some confusion about NO's compensation if he does/doesn't re-sign, here's the lowdown compliments of Spads:
QuoteTo clear up some draft pick questions (I know, I know, it's still free agency, but ...) the Eagles have all of their draft picks except one this year. If Donte' Stallworth signs elsewhere in free agency, the Eagles owe New Orleans a fourth-round pick this year. If the Eagles sign Stallworth (and I think it is very much a longshot), the Eagles owe New Orleans a third-round pick in April.
I (and I think many other around here were as well) thought that the Eagles only gave up a 3rd if they resigned Stallworth at anytime prior to the start of free agency.
I'll say this right now. If Spads is right on this one and the Eagles would have had to ante up a 3rd rounder regardless of when he was re-signed I very well may hunt down Reid/Banner/Lurie/Heckert and drown them in a pool of scalding hot bacon grease for not locking him up months ago.
SF had something like $44M, I think?
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 02, 2007, 02:41:28 PM
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
Per a Derrick Gunn thread on the EMB, McNabb has said that he's willing to renegotiate his contract to help the team.
The question is, does it even matter if McNabb offers any cashback or defers his salary? I don't think it does because those clowns in the front office believe that Hank Baskett and/or Jason Avant can do what Stallworth did. Until they get their heads outta their asses and realize that this team NEEDS a field-stretching deep threat nothing will get done short of Stallworth and Rosenhaus crawling into Banners office on their knees with their hands out willing to accept the Eagles terms.
Also, last week Heckert said there were a few players who they could convert '07 roster bonuses into signing bonuses if they wanted to free up cash. It's just a question if they wanted to spend more now and have less later. He said they generally don't like doing it but an occasional situation may be worth it.
Therefore, McNabb isn't offerring anything of any special benefit. I'm sure when he says restructure he doesn't mean giving up any of his own $.
i was reading the other day that the eagles have the money to sign stallworth but they are choosing not to
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
i was reading the other day that the eagles have the money to sign stallworth but they are choosing not to
More breaking news: Anna Nicole Smith died!!
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 03, 2007, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 02, 2007, 02:41:28 PM
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
Per a Derrick Gunn thread on the EMB, McNabb has said that he's willing to renegotiate his contract to help the team.
CSN video clip of McNabb discussing the Stallworth situation (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030207-eagles.wmv)
nice hat
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2007, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
i was reading the other day that the eagles have the money to sign stallworth but they are choosing not to
More breaking news: Anna Nicole Smith died!!
Bummer!
Anyone else fantasize about being her undertaker?
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 03, 2007, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2007, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
i was reading the other day that the eagles have the money to sign stallworth but they are choosing not to
More breaking news: Anna Nicole Smith died!!
Bummer!
Anyone else fantasize about being her undertaker?
from all the guys who've said they are the kids daddy, its seems been undertaken many many times
You know I mean the kind that won't have to take her out to dinner first, which incidently could get damn expensive.
WHERE'S DONTE'?
Eagles receiver Donte' Stallworth is getting surprisingly little play in the free-agent market.
Though various publications identify various potentially interested teams (such as the 49ers and the taterskins), we're aware of no visits for the former first-rounder, who had a good season with the Eagles after being traded from the Saints.
From PFT.
I think teams are concerned about his hamstring. Or again, it could just be a slow torture.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2007, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 03, 2007, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 02, 2007, 02:41:28 PM
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
Per a Derrick Gunn thread on the EMB, McNabb has said that he's willing to renegotiate his contract to help the team.
CSN video clip of McNabb discussing the Stallworth situation (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030207-eagles.wmv)
nice hat
:-D I almost bought one of those hats. Was going get it to wear to the NYE game vs Atlanta.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2007, 06:11:30 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2007, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 03, 2007, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 02, 2007, 02:41:28 PM
McNabb should be offering to convert some of his salary to get Stallworth back!
Per a Derrick Gunn thread on the EMB, McNabb has said that he's willing to renegotiate his contract to help the team.
CSN video clip of McNabb discussing the Stallworth situation (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030207-eagles.wmv)
nice hat
:-D I almost bought one of those hats. Was going get it to wear to the NYE game vs Atlanta.
You must have a fragile pysche.
The lack of news on Donte Stallworth actually gives me some hope that his price will fall a bit and the Eagles will resign him.
That being said, I fully expect to see him on a different team by tomorrow.
The critical news will be if he travels anywhere - once he gets on a plane, he is gone.
Quote from: Cerevant on March 03, 2007, 06:38:01 PM
The critical news will be if he travels anywhere - once he gets on a plane, he is gone.
I just love this post. Once he travels, he has left. That is to say, once he goes, he's gone.
Niners sign Lelie:
Free-agent wide receiver Ashley Lelie signed a two-year deal with the 49ers for $4.3 million, including a $2 million signing bonus.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511
QuoteThe Patriots plan to sign Miami restricted free-agent wide receiver Wes Welker to a seven-year offer sheet worth $38.5 million.
:-D
White receivers are cashing in this offseason.
Quote from: King Cole on March 03, 2007, 07:08:35 PM
Niners sign Lelie:
Free-agent wide receiver Ashley Lelie signed a two-year deal with the 49ers for $4.3 million, including a $2 million signing bonus.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511
F'n Niners are signing their asses off and snapping up alot of good players.
Seems like someone doesn't wanna be a laughingstock anymore...
Now that the Niners have signed Lelie, that leaves 2 teams for Stallworth:
Titans and taterskins
and then there were 3. Please Eagles, get a deal done!
Chargers? Packers?
How much cap room do they have? I thought middle of the pack. I figured they'd go WR in the draft.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 03, 2007, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on March 03, 2007, 06:38:01 PM
The critical news will be if he travels anywhere - once he gets on a plane, he is gone.
I just love this post. Once he travels, he has left. That is to say, once he goes, he's gone.
*sigh* In case you aren't just being a smart-ass...
I am predicting that if there is a report that Stallworth has visited or will visit another team, he will not re-sign with the Eagles.
I know what you're saying.
If Stallworth travels, he's gone. Kind of like if he stays, he has not left.
What if he is in a private jet with Banner, Lurie, and Heckert, but flying over another town? Is he still "here" because he is with the Eagles brain trust? Is he gone because he is outside of Philly? What is here? What is there? Where is there? Is it Tennessee? Is it Washington? Is it Philly? If it was Philly it would be considered here, but if he was in a private jet outside of Philly is it considered there?
Posted in the free agency thread, Jacksonville got Dennis Northcutt for 5/$17M/$4.5M SB. Another strike against Stallworth...
After the first sentence I was thinking "are you farging serious?" but then realized you were kidding.
If Donte Stallworth gets on a plane but no one is there to see it take off, did he really leave?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2007, 07:29:14 PM
Posted in the free agency thread, Jacksonville got Dennis Northcutt for 5/$17M/$4.5M SB. Another strike against Stallworth...
Posted in the free agency thread, Pad.
isnt green bay getting moss?
wait or are we?
dun dun dun!
According to an article on PFT, the Eagles will only have to give up a 4th if they sign Stallworth now.
Also they said teams are interested, but aren't close to what he wants, and the Eagles are still in the mix.
What KC said
QuoteNO VISITS, BUT INTEREST IN STALLWORTH
A league source tells us that, although no visits have been arranged for receiver Donte' Stallworth, several teams are interested.
The problem, as we understand it, is that the interested teams are at a level well below Stallworth's expectations. And there likely won't be any visits until someone gets closer to Stallworth's price -- or Stallworth's price comes down.
The Eagles remain in the hunt for Stallworth's services. Now that Stallworth has made it to free agency, the Eagles won't be required to upgrade the fourth-round pick that was sent to the Saints as part of the trade. If Stallworth had been re-signed before free agency, the Eagles would have owed New Orleans a third-round pick.
Hope :-[
I don't believe Tennessee and Washington are in the mix for Stallworth. The Titans got burned last year with David Givens, who if I'm not mistaken, missed well over half the season with injuries; why would Washington sign him after they signed Randle-El, Lloyd, they have Moss? Plus, they have to justify trading 3rd and 4th round picks for Lloyd. As for the Titans, if he's there when they draft, they'd probably be content to select Robert Meachem out of UT.
Word on the street is that Stallworth really likes the team here and the city, but he gets 'grossed out' when Donovan pukes on the ball and then throws it to him.
how do you think Jamal Jackson feels?
he knows that at some point during the season, Donovan's gonna puke down his ass crack.
yucky
GET STALLWORTH
why would Washington sign him after they signed Randle-El, Lloyd, they have Moss? Plus, they have to justify trading 3rd and 4th round picks for Lloyd.
i know youre trying to be rational here but daniel snyder doesnt worj that way...and in his mind he certainly doesnt have to justify anything to anyone...
he could have traded a whole draft for lloyd and if he wants to get stallworth he will get him (im not saying that will happen)
on another note....if stallworths price drops and the eagles still dont get him then just nuke novacare
Little optimistic piece on the Stallworth front (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16827571.htm)
QuoteIt's also quite possible that the Eagles will target a receiver in free agency - Stallworth's mentor in New Orleans, Joe Horn, was waived last week - or the draft, which is considered deep at receiver, with Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson (6-foot-5, 239 pounds) as the big prize.
That part about targeting a receiver in the draft scares the shtein outta' me. I can't help but think any receiver they draft after round one would end up being a wasted pick. Unless they pull a blockbuster and trade up for Johnson.
Also, it is looking like the Eagles aren't the only team scared of Stallworths hammy problems.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2007, 10:05:37 AM
why would Washington sign him after they signed Randle-El, Lloyd, they have Moss? Plus, they have to justify trading 3rd and 4th round picks for Lloyd.
i know youre trying to be rational here but daniel snyder doesnt worj that way...and in his mind he certainly doesnt have to justify anything to anyone...
he could have traded a whole draft for lloyd and if he wants to get stallworth he will get him (im not saying that will happen)
on another note....if stallworths price drops and the eagles still dont get him then just nuke novacare
I'm building the bomb as we speak.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2007, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2007, 10:05:37 AM
why would Washington sign him after they signed Randle-El, Lloyd, they have Moss? Plus, they have to justify trading 3rd and 4th round picks for Lloyd.
i know youre trying to be rational here but daniel snyder doesnt worj that way...and in his mind he certainly doesnt have to justify anything to anyone...
he could have traded a whole draft for lloyd and if he wants to get stallworth he will get him (im not saying that will happen)
on another note....if stallworths price drops and the eagles still dont get him then just nuke novacare
I'm building the bomb as we speak.
The FBI will be paying you a visit later.
Nuke...bomb...Bin Laden...Al Quiada...World Trade Center...Jihad...Bush
This explains those .gov emails I woke up to.
What's sad is I don't know whether you're joking or not.
I'm joking, of course. I haven't checked my email since 1997.
Boston's local NBC station says the Patriots are talking to Stallworth (http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO45128/)
Spads said in his forum that he believes that Tennessee is going to go after him with an offer of about $12M to sign.
WIP reporting Stallworth in NFL substance abuse program. apparently in the Inquirer this morning.
per Big Daddy.
not good.
And there it is.
Now that definitely increases our chances. Right? :paranoid
He's probably in there visiting the coach's kids.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2007, 11:27:31 PM
Boston's local NBC station says the Patriots are talking to Stallworth (http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO45128/)
They're also looking at Randy Moss.
QuoteMOSS TO PATS TALK INCREASES
We've mentioned a couple of times over the past few days that the New England Patriots are an under-the-radar candidate for Raiders receiver Randy Moss.
Well, they were under the radar.
John Tomase of the Boston Herald confirms that the Pats have shown interest in acquiring Moss. Per Tomase, coach Bill Belichick has "long been enamored" with Moss and would welcome the opportunity to bring him to New England at the right price.
The key phrase here is "at the right price." Under his current deal, Moss is scheduled to earn $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. And with his current abilities tough to gauge through the haze of general crappiness that has been the Oakland offense of late, there's no way that the Patriots could justify devoting nearly eight figures of cap space to him.
The alternative is to convert as much of his salary as possible to a signing bonus, which would reduce the cap number but at the same time limit the team's options if he comes into camp and Belichick decides that he simply doesn't have it anymore. Though his salary is high, it can all be avoided if he's cut before the start of the regular season.
And don't rule out the possibility that the Pats are merely faking interest in Moss. Such an approach might prompt a division rival (such as the Dolphins) to jump into the bidding and give up too much to get him. Likewise, a belief that the Pats want Moss could drive down the price tag for any other free-agent receivers in which they might be interested.
Our gut feeling on this one? If the Patriots could get him through a trade and a contract that is fair, they'd do it. For proof of it, look no further than the depth chart at the position, which currently has the names "Reche Caldwell" and "Jabar Gaffney" at the top of the list.
That would ruin my brilliant plan to take Jabar in the 3rd round of this year's fantasy draft!
if nothing else this stallworth news may certainly give the front office a pass in this situation...its very possible theyve known of this violation (if there was one) for months but arent allowed to say anything...thus the lack of energy towards resigning him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2007, 08:31:27 AM
if nothing else this stallworth news may certainly give the front office a pass in this situation...its very possible theyve known of this violation (if there was one) for months but arent allowed to say anything...thus the lack of energy towards resigning him
The FO is making this whole thing up to cover their asses in not re-signing him.
they probably leaked it 8)
That doesn't mean he's going to make any fewer plays than he would next year for another team regardless.
He probably was into weed when he first came into the NFL. The guy was what... 19 years old? barely 20? As soon as you enter the NFL's program, you're never officially out, no matter how long you stay clean.
This is bullshtein.
the problem isnt that he got busted its that his margin for error is now zero...and as you said youre never out of it and hes one slip up from a 4 game johnson...now i personally would still take a chance and sign him but this certainly gives the eagles an understandable out...tho more likely than not they werent gonna sign him regardless
does Rosendick have any clients that aren't "trouble"?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2007, 09:04:56 AM
tho more likely than not they werent gonna sign him regardless
It was a certainty in the first place.
PFT last Wednesday:
QuoteFREE AGENT IS IN "THE PROGRAM"
We've caught wind over the past few days of a member of the coming free-agent class who is currently within the NFL's substance-abuse program.
We know who the player is, and we won't be disclosing it here. Though the information is confidential, teams can get access to the information if they are sniffing around a given player.
So does anyone actually know for a fact if Stallworth ever was put in the program, and why? I don't ever recall hearing anything bad about him since he came in the league.
Also, assuming this is something that goes back to his days in New Orleans, wouldn't the Eagles have known about it then as well? Wouldn't NO be obligated to disclose that info prior to making the trade? Point is, if the Eagles knew about this and still traded for him, then it should not be a factor in them deciding for or against re-signing him either.
Brookover article (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16835778.htm)
QuoteAnother receiver in whom the Patriots reportedly are interested, Donte' Stallworth of the Eagles, is reportedly in the substance abuse program.
Per Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the specific level of the program currently occupied by Stallworth is unclear. Unlike the steroids policy, which mandates a suspension for a first offense, a player is not immediately suspended for violation of the substance abuse policy. As a result, and in light of the high degree of confidentiality that sometimes applies to the player's status in the program, it's often difficult if not impossible to find out where a player falls within the spectrum of potential levels and penalties before a four-game suspension is imposed.
Stallworth's status in the program likely is a factor in the gap we recently reported between what Stallworth wants and what interested teams are willing to pay.
With that said, former Titans running back Travis Henry is getting plenty of attention in free agency, even though he was suspended for four games in 2005 for violation of the substance abuse policy. And the Titans traded for him when they knew (or should have known) that he was one visit to Rain Man's house in Georgia away from a one-year suspension.
Bottom line -- if a guy can play, he'll get an opportunity. For Stallworth, the bigger issue might be the perception that his hamstrings are tighter than guitar strings.
Schefter's reporting Donte's on his way to visit New England, and that that's his #1 choice. If he can't get a deal worked out there, his next stop will be Tennessee.
Whatever.
I thought Philly was his #1 ::)
They were. But when a team isn't interested in you, then you tend to explore other options.
So long Donte. It was nice knowing ya.
I will now wear my Stallworth jersey to every Eagles game I attend next year to show my outrage towards management. I refuse to buy another jersey or support for this franchise with my own money. Well, except for when I buy an $8 beer or eat a $4 hot dog while sitting in a seat that just had the ticket price raised on it. But other than that, I'm not spending another dime on this team.
Fight the power, Sassy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 05, 2007, 08:25:16 PM
So long Donte. It was nice knowing ya.
I will now wear my Stallworth jersey to every Eagles game I attend next year to show my outrage towards management. I refuse to buy another jersey or support for this franchise with my own money. Well, except for when I buy an $8 beer or eat a $4 hot dog while sitting in a seat that just had the ticket price raised on it. But other than that, I'm not spending another dime on this team.
Same here, and I'm including game tickets.
can you imagine stallworth with brady...brady has turned complete garbage guys into players his whole career...whats he gonna do with someone like stallworth who has real talent
brady had terry glenn for i think one year and other than that deion branch or troy brown has been his best wr...pretty amazing
LOL - Brady turned a stiff like Jabar Gaffney into a productive receiver.
I shudder to think what he'd be able to do with someone like Stallworth.
Schefter link on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10040904)
QuoteTo the relief of quarterback Tom Brady and the rest of Patriot Nation, New England signed one wide receiver and could soon add another.
After trading 2007 second- and seventh-round draft choices to Miami for wide receiver Wes Welker and signing him to a five-year, $18.1 million contract that included $10.75 million in guaranteed money, the Patriots were scheduled to host a visit with Philadelphia free-agent wide receiver Donte' Stallworth.
Around the league, there are questions about Stallworth's character. But Stallworth is willing to take a one-year deal with New England, the team he would love to play for if he doesn't return to Philadelphia, to prove his value to the Patriots and around the league.
Stallworth recently talked about how much the Patriots appealed to him, and now New England is giving him a chance to say the same thing to its coaches and front office.
From New England, Stallworth is scheduled to visit Tennessee, which lost free-agent wide receiver Drew Bennett to the St. Louis Rams, which gave the free-agent a six-year, $30 million deal that included $9.5 million in guaranteed money.
Stallworth still might also return to Philadelphia. But his decision is expected shortly.
jesus hes willing to take a one year deal again?
what the hell are the eagles doing...step up and get something done
seems obvious the Eagles have HANK BASKETT HYSTERIA!!
OMGHANKBASKETT! :crazy
(I know, I know... somebody had to do it.)
Does anyone here really think the Eagles are going to give a player with a drug problem a contract?
I'll say it again... A DRUG problem. Hello??
Besides Bluntholder?
How long was Buck on the team?
Goodbye, Donte. The Eagles are ignorant motherfargers.
Like Spads mentioned the other day, he sees Tennessee getting into it big time with him.
Reid's kids are dope addicts. He's on a sabbatical to attend to their problems.
But yeah, they'll happily hand out multi-million dollar deals to guys currently in the substance abuse program.
Woot!
I hear there is a slight difference between crack and heroin. Just slight though.
They're both illegal drugs, dude. The Eagles won't get into that. No way.
But thanks for your insights.
Stallworth will visit Miami on Thursday (http://www.miamiherald.com/598/story/32302.html)
Fat Lenny P is reporting that the Eagles made a formal offer to Stallworth today...
They'll probably get around to that Garcia offer some time in late April.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 05, 2007, 09:41:54 PM
Does anyone here really think the Eagles are going to give a player with a drug problem a contract?
I'll say it again... A DRUG problem. Hello??
You don't even know it's a
drug problem. Alcohol falls under the "substance" umbrella as well.
All I know is time's running out on the Eagles to prevent themselves from looking like complete fools
again regarding the WR's.
Who gives a shtein what substance he's abusing? Christ, he's got a problem that appears to be serious enough that teams aren't beating down his door to sign him. Doesn't that strike any of you as odd considering he's the best receiver available in this market?
I wish he was clean and I wish that the Eagles had been able to sign him and he went on to greatness.
Reality's a bitch, though.
Apparently there are a ton of guys in that program that we never even hear about. I would guess that there are several Eagles in that program who we'll never hear about unless they farg up again.
Stallworth visiting MIA is bad. He lives there. Unless its Rosenhaus using the Fish to boost up a client, which he does a lot.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2007, 10:31:36 PM
Fat Lenny P is reporting that the Eagles made a formal offer to Stallworth today...
I'm sure it was a beaut.
Reid's kids are dope addicts.
not sure what this has to do with anything
couldnt you make the argument that because of reids family problems he may be more sympathetic to signing someone with a 'problem' than he mnight normally be
like phreak said too...reids probably has a few players that have gone thru this that we never heard about...i would guess almost ever team has over the same amount of time reids been with the eagles...football players have the same problems and issues as the average guy (aka reids kids) on the street does ...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 06, 2007, 01:23:28 AM
Who gives a shtein what substance he's abusing? Christ, he's got a problem that appears to be serious enough that teams aren't beating down his door to sign him.
Teams pursuing Stallworth in free agency aren't privy to the circumstances that led to Stallworth being placed in the program. If they were, surely one would have leaked the dirt to the press by now. The only information they are given is whether Stallworth is subject to suspension the next time he fails to comply with the program.
Also I would add that there is no evidence that Stallworth is a drug "abuser" and also no evidence that he has any "problem" with them other than being caught using them by his employer. Guy could smoke some bud socially every once in a while and got nailed on the test, or he could be a hardcore heroin addict -- either way we don't know.
i guess the eagles offer to donte yesterday want exactly overwhelming...the minute they made it he scheduled trips to three other teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 08:01:49 AM
i guess the eagles offer to donte yesterday want exactly overwhelming...the minute they made it he scheduled trips to three other teams
Maybe their offer was to pick up the tab on his plane tickets.
I thought I heard that the substance abuse issue was from last spring, before the Eagles got him in the first place.
1. Eagles signed him after they new about it.
2. Eagles offered him a deal recently.
They obviously do not care about the substance abuse issue. They are all about forcing players to sign for whatever cash they want to offer and not a cent more.
couldnt agree more murp....tho i think the substance abuse thing is a convienant out for them
To counter, I suspect as IGY mentioned that Rosenhaus instantly booked three (or more) visits upon getting the offer to put pressure on the Eagles. This isn't done yet -- the three visits published last night are just smoke and mirrors.
In the end, Banner and Rosenhaus are going to agree to terms. Higher than Banner wants to pay, and lower than Stallworth wanted to take.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 06, 2007, 07:05:50 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 06, 2007, 01:23:28 AM
Who gives a shtein what substance he's abusing? Christ, he's got a problem that appears to be serious enough that teams aren't beating down his door to sign him.
Teams pursuing Stallworth in free agency aren't privy to the circumstances that led to Stallworth being placed in the program.
Yes they are. They're under a directive from the league not to reveal private information about players at the risk of being fined up to $500,000 by the league if they do.
In the end, Banner and Rosenhaus are going to agree to terms. Higher than Banner wants to pay, and lower than Stallworth wanted to take.
id like to believe this but with porter not exactly an upstanding citizen getting 12 million in guarantees and friggin wes welker getting caked off i cant believe rosenhaus wont find a team willing to go way higher than the eagles
Rosenthief is using the Eagles like a fleshlight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 09:46:17 AM
tho i think the substance abuse thing is a convienant out for them
Yes I think so to. The only reason they would ever leak that info is because they want an excuse for not paying him. They think the fan backlash wouldn't be as bad if the fans were given some sort of negative news about Stallworth. They wouldn't leak that info in hopes of getting other teams to scare off of Stallworth. Why would Stallworth even want to come back to the Eagles after they make his personal info public fodder. Id be really surprised if Stallworth comes back now because of that reason. I hope I am wrong on all accounts.
If the Eagles released personal information about Stallworth (or anyone else, for that matter) there would be a farging mutiny in the locker room that would make the T.O. fiasco look like a tea party.
No way that happened.
to be fair theres no proof that they did leak it...but even if they didnt the appearance in this case is just as bad as the reality and if stallworth believes they did leak it then yeah hes gone
If the Eagles released personal information about Stallworth (or anyone else, for that matter) there would be a farging mutiny in the locker room that would make the T.O. fiasco look like a tea party.
agree...but whoever leaked the info has to know that the source of the leak will never ever come out....that being said if the eagles did it they are taking a big risk cause as i said the appearance of them doing it is just as bad
Quote from: MURP on March 06, 2007, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 09:46:17 AM
tho i think the substance abuse thing is a convienant out for them
Yes I think so to. The only reason they would ever leak that info is because they want an excuse for not paying him. They think the fan backlash wouldn't be as bad if the fans were given some sort of negative news about Stallworth. They wouldn't leak that info in hopes of getting other teams to scare off of Stallworth. Why would Stallworth even want to come back to the Eagles after they make his personal info public fodder. Id be really surprised if Stallworth comes back now because of that reason. I hope I am wrong on all accounts.
While the Eagles being the source of the leak is a possibility, I have yet to see where they've been identified, except in the minds of people on message boards.
When has this team ever cared about creating an excuse for doing something that fans won't like? Their normal tactic is to say "You'll take it & like it".
one word. KNEES !!
If Stallworth is in "the plan" voluntarily, then this story is even worse.
Well, it's entirely possible that someone leaked the information in order to keep interest in Stallworth down. I just don't see the Eagles doing because I believe they have a sincere interest in keeping him.
Admittedly, the Eagles did have the most to gain from releasing information to keep the market for Stallworth down, but what they would stand to lose if anyone ever found out it was them is almost incalculable.
The players in the locker room would revolt, the league would come down on them like a bag of bricks, they would get destroyed in the media, the fans would have a conniption, and most importantly, their reputation with potential free agents in the future would be annihilated.
Any team interested in Stallworth would have equal opportunity and motivation to leak the info. It's that simple.
The Philly Inquirer (Brookover) broke the substance abuse story so the trail starts there....
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 06, 2007, 10:28:59 AM
Well, it's entirely possible that someone leaked the information in order to keep interest in Stallworth down. I just don't see the Eagles doing because I believe they have a sincere interest in keeping him.
Admittedly, the Eagles did have the most to gain from releasing information to keep the market for Stallworth down, but what they would stand to lose if anyone ever found out it was them is almost incalculable.
The players in the locker room would revolt, the league would come down on them like a bag of bricks, they would get destroyed in the media, the fans would have a conniption, and most importantly, their reputation with potential free agents in the future would be annihilated.
I agree, and if Banner or somebody with the Eagles leaked it, I hope they get burned.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 06, 2007, 10:32:38 AM
The Philly Inquirer (Brookover) broke the substance abuse story so the trail starts there....
Wasn't Brookover the one that had the very rare 1 on 1 interview with McNabb at the Syracuse/Villanova game? :paranoid
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 10:31:10 AM
Any team interested in Stallworth would have equal opportunity and motivation to leak the info. It's that simple.
equal opportunity? yes.
equal motivation? no.
Any team interested in signing him would want to keep his price down and deter other suitors.
Equal. Motivation.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 10:31:10 AM
Any team interested in Stallworth would have equal opportunity and motivation to leak the info. It's that simple.
But the Eagles would have more to lose if they were found out, bro. That's why their leaking his attendance in the program is so unlikely by my way of thinking.
Considering Brookover writes in Philly and has a majority of his sources in Philly its hard to imagine the leak not coming from the Eagles.
not sure if this was posted yet....
QuoteStallworth bids delayed by substance-abuse issue
Tuesday, March 06, 2007
BY JOHN NALBONE
Some light was shed yesterday on the lack of offers for free agent wide receiver Donté Stallworth when the Philadelphia Inquirer, citing unidentified league sources, reported Stallworth entered the market Friday as a participant in the league's substance-abuse program.
Stallworth, 26, will not be suspended because it was his first offense and he remains free to negotiate with any team he chooses.
It is not known whether Stallworth failed a drug test, was cited by law enforcement for an alcohol or drug-related offense, or entered the program voluntarily.
Another violation would result in a four-game suspension.
Running back Travis Henry, suspended four games last season as a member of the Tennessee Titans following a second violation, signed with the Denver Broncos yesterday for $12 million in guaranteed money.
Therefore the market for Stallworth, who caught 38 passes for 725 yards and five touchdowns for the Eagles this past season, is anything but shot.
Under the guidelines of the collective bargaining agreement, any teams interested in signing Stallworth were entitled to know whether he was subject to a suspension the next time he fails to comply with any terms of the NFL's intervention program.
The Eagles knew about Stallworth's violation before the start of free agency and have yet to extend an offer to the former first-round draft pick of the New Orleans Saints, who is represented by firebrand agent Drew Rosenhaus.
An Eagles spokesman said yesterday the team can not comment on the matter due to confidentiality rules.
Stallworth, a big-play threat seeking a signing bonus of between $12 and $16 million, would like to return to the Eagles.
General manager Tom Heckert said the team would like to have Stallworth back, but it is not inclined to overpay for any of this year's free agents.
According the NFL Network, Stallworth is scheduled to visit Tennessee and New England this week.
While Stallworth and Rosenhaus wait, the market for wideouts is on its way to being set, with Drew Bennett (six years, $10 million signing bonus, Rams), Ashley Lelie (two years, $2 million bonus, 49ers) and Dennis Northcutt (five years, $3.4 million per season, Jaguars) all coming to terms over the weekend.
Stallworth is substantially better than any of those three players, and despite issues raised by the Eagles and others regarding his durability, the four games he missed last season with a strained hamstring was his only time off the field in the last three years.
Free agent cornerback Will James, who the Eagles would like to re-sign as their nickel back, has visits scheduled with Atlanta and the Saints over the next two days, and he could sign with either team by the end of the week. Dallas and Houston also have interest in James, who was known as Will Peterson when he played for the Giants. But neither the Cowboys nor the Texans have set up an official visit with James as yet ... Only half of the league's 32 teams have signed players from other organizations since the start of free agency. The Eagles are not one of them and, as of yesterday afternoon, had no visits scheduled.
Considering Brookover writes in Philly and has a majority of his sources in Philly its hard to imagine the leak not coming from the Eagles.
exactly...that was my point...doesnt mean its 100% the eagles but it certainly points to them above all others...
Admittedly, the Eagles did have the most to gain from releasing information to keep the market for Stallworth down, but what they would stand to lose if anyone ever found out it was them is almost incalculable.
then you have to believe it was stallworth himself that did it or the NFL...because any team in the league would face the same consequences as the eagles were they to be exposed as the leak
bottom line is the source of the leak is not getting out...ever...no reporter is going to committ career suicide by revealing the source...and whoever leaked the info whether it be the eagles or anyone else knew this
I wish it were Banner, but it could have even been Rosenhaus.
Frankly, I don't care. I just want the Eagles to sign his ass.
Quote
LEAGUE INVESTIGATING STALLWORTH LEAK?
We've just tuned into Sirius NFL Radio, and Bob Papa and Randy Cross were spouting off about an investigation into the manner in which information regarding receiver Donte' Stallworth was leaked during or on the eve of free agency.
The information definitely was out there, because Stallworth is the guy to whom we were referring last week when we mentioned that we'd heard that a pending free agent was in the program.
The 2006 NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse makes clear that any NFL club that violates the confidentiality provisions of the Program may be fined anywhere from $10,000 to $500,000. As a practical matter, however, it's going to be hard to prove that anyone blabbed.
Though someone in the know surely told the reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer about Stallworth's status in the Program, the reality is that the NFL has no way to get the reporter to talk -- unless the league can finagle a grand jury investigation and force the reporter to talk under pain of imprisonment.
But the NFL would never want to dirty its hands with that kind of a Playmakers-style plot line. Are confidentialities regarding the Program breached? Hell, yes. All the time. Unless the NFL makes a big deal about finding out who it was, however, most people won't realize that the NFL, like most organizations, has certain corrupt elements. So the NFL will continue to look the other way, or engage in only a cursory investigation that inevitably yields inconclusive results.
So we don't expect this thing to go anywhere. In fact, absent an public admission by a team official that he or she blabbed, we can't imagine the NFL ever taking action against anyone on this kind of a violation.
Even if somehow somebody found out who blabbed it, the punishment doesn't seem severe to me, sure it could damage the teams rep a bit, but what players actually implicitly trust the FO they play for anyway? The fine wouldn't even be a bug on the windshield. Nothing will ever come of it.
FF, help me understand, not trying to be ignorant, but why in the world would Rosenhaus leak that about his client??
Quote
Stallworth is substantially better
Even if somehow somebody found out who blabbed it, the punishment doesn't seem severe to me, sure it could damage the teams rep a bit, but what players actually implicitly trust the FO they play for anyway? The fine wouldn't even be a bug on the windshield. Nothing will ever come of it.
much more than the financial hit of a fine would be the front office PR hit and its effect on players both currently on the team and potential free agents
Think about this -- if I were working for, say New England, and I wanted to leak that information to try to get Stallworth on my team, would I leak it to the Boston press? Of course not.
Because it came from a Philly paper does NOT implicate the Eagles in any shape, size, or form. Anyone, and any team, that wanted this to get out, would go to the Philly Inky to keep the fingers AWAY from the real source, and hopefully get the druids that want to blame the Eagles FO for anything and everything to believe that it did.
No. Smoking. Gun.
The PR hit would only last as long as the next thing that send media and fans into a tizzy. Which is about 4 days.
Then of course there would be some more hits later, as slow news days will bring up reminders of the incident.
So over the course of 3 years, it would be about 9 days of PR hits.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 06, 2007, 11:27:10 AM
Quote
Stallworth is substantially better
He is but I still chuckled when I read it. Nalbone sounds like a publicity agent for Stallworth in that piece.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
FF, help me understand, not trying to be ignorant, but why in the world would Rosenhaus leak that about his client??
I'll admit it's far-fetched...
My line of thinking is that play for Stallworth leading up to and in the first day of free agency wasn't nearly what he'd hoped, so he leaked the info to get Donte's name in the press. Also, as an initial reaction is "this will drive his price down", it might entice more teams to get involved in bidding, hoping for a bargain. And when he can respond, "Donte did a dime bag in his rookie year and checked himself in to make sure he always put his NFL career first," it makes Stallworth look even more upstanding.
I wouldn't put anything past Rosenhaus, Banner, or any of the possible people that could have leaked this. The NFL is a cutthroat business.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
FF, help me understand, not trying to be ignorant, but why in the world would Rosenhaus leak that about his client??
Next question
C+ but I laughed like it was an A+.
More exciting stuff from Dave-o:
QuoteAndy is available to meet prospective free agents, yes. That has already been made clear. There have been no visits and there are, at this moment, none scheduled.
GO TEAM
yay ticket price increase!
Because it came from a Philly paper does NOT implicate the Eagles in any shape, size, or form. Anyone, and any team, that wanted this to get out, would go to the Philly Inky to keep the fingers AWAY from the real source, and hopefully get the druids that want to blame the Eagles FO for anything and everything to believe that it did.
not true at all...teams have deep quid pro quo relationships with local reporters...it would be very unusual for the eagles to call up a random out of town reporter and spill this kind of news to him...they would much rather place sensitive 411 in the hands of someone they trust
It's George Bush's fault. :D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 11:43:06 AM
Because it came from a Philly paper does NOT implicate the Eagles in any shape, size, or form. Anyone, and any team, that wanted this to get out, would go to the Philly Inky to keep the fingers AWAY from the real source, and hopefully get the druids that want to blame the Eagles FO for anything and everything to believe that it did.
not true at all...teams have deep quid pro quo relationships with local reporters...it would be very unusual for the eagles to call up a random out of town reporter and spill this kind of news to him...and they would much rather place sensitive 411 in the hands of someone they trust
There is no effing way ANY source from a team other than the Eagles would leak this info to any source other than a Philly paper. To do so would be a smoking gun, and to avoid having one, any and every team would contact either WIP, the Inky, or a Philly news station. It's the only way leaking something like this could happen. There are no other alternatives if the the leaker wanted to maintain his anonymity.
If a team other than the Eagles wants to leak this, they could easily get it to a Philly guy. The football press corps is small and incestuous. Everyone knows everyone, and has worked with everyone. If the world has six degrees of seperation, these folks have two at most. It could easily be done.
im not even sure the eagles offered up this info voluntarily...it sounds like it was common knowledge that a prominent free agent was in the drug program...i could easily see brookover calling the eagles to ask if it was stallworth and the eagles confirming
either way if you laid out the percentages that the eagles were brookovers source it would look like this
eagles - 70%
other nfl team - 20%
the nfl - 10%
Says you with your obvious skill of reading other people's minds and knowing the unknown to be fact.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 06, 2007, 11:45:52 AM
It's George Bush's fault. :D
actually, it is. Because the US Gov can get away with the CIA agent leak and they just throw out a sacrificial lamb to pay the price. (Libby). Just like if the Eagles ever get caught they can blame some lower level nobody within the organization for obtaining and releasing this info.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
im not even sure the eagles offered up this info voluntarily...it sounds like it was common knowledge that a prominent free agent was in the drug program...i could easily see brookover calling the eagles to ask if it was stallworth and the eagles confirming
either way if you laid out the percentages that the eagles were brookovers source it would look like this
eagles - 70%
other nfl team - 20%
the nfl - 10%
Damn Rocky.... Way to pull some random numbers outta your ass...
I think Stallworth was high and leaked the info himself
Apparently, Stallworth's former locker IS at the NovaCare complex.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 12:09:47 PM
Apparently, Stallworth's former locker IS at the NovaCare complex.
I dont know what to believe anymore...
True or not?
Probably just to pick up his things and catch the next flight to Boston.
Stallworth signed with NE- 6yrs/32M (12M guaranteed)
EDIT: Okay, this might be bullshtein...still checking
Just in case that news is bullshtein, this is also just out:
Dolphins may be interested (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-dolsign030307,0,7902169.story?coll=sfla-sports-front)
there is nothing about this anywhere. He's supposedly scheduled to be visiting them tomorrow, I thought?
let me guess...tate. ::)
It was supposedly reported on WEEI 850AM. where's rjs?
I went on the Pats boards and there is nothing of the sort on them about it.
BS
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 06, 2007, 02:44:49 PM
It was supposedly reported on WEEI 850AM. where's rjs?
On a flight ejaculating on passengers
Streaming Audio (http://www.weei.com/home.asp) from 850 AM. I can't listen today, but I know someone can...
PatsFans.com (http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
nothing
SD sucks.
I declare this rumor dead.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2007, 02:43:48 PM
there is nothing about this anywhere. He's supposedly scheduled to be visiting them tomorrow, I thought?
let me guess...tate.
It's idiotic how much joy you get from logging on ONLY to mock people for posting rumors. What the hell else is supposed to happen on a message board? Jesus.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2007, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2007, 02:43:48 PM
there is nothing about this anywhere. He's supposedly scheduled to be visiting them tomorrow, I thought?
let me guess...tate.
It's idiotic how much joy you get from logging on ONLY to mock people for posting rumors. What the hell else is supposed to happen on a message board? Jesus.
Where? :paranoid
Right next to me. I just ejaculated on his leg.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2007, 03:16:15 PM
Right next to me. I just ejaculated on his leg.
Does that mean 6 more weeks of winter?
I think it means I'm pregnant with the anti-christ. Something tells me my penis-hole isn't going to be happy about that.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 06, 2007, 02:48:11 PM
Streaming Audio (http://www.weei.com/home.asp) from 850 AM. I can't listen today, but I know someone can...
Roughly 30 minutes after the rumor got started, they were talking about how it was completly untrue.
Which is awesome, I think.
Eskin reporting the Eagles didn't leak the Stallworth abuse crap and that the Eagles did not offer him a deal.
Eskin > Jesus wet & sticky leg.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 06, 2007, 03:25:39 PM
Eskin reporting the Eagles didn't leak the Stallworth abuse crap and that the Eagles did not offer him a deal.
I'm inclined to believe the latter and not the former, like most skeptics.
I blame Satoshi
it is not a stretch at all to say that eskin is a bigger homer than spadaro
basically angelo said the eagles leaked it with absolutely no evidence to support it
and eskin said they didnt leak it with absolutely no evidence whatsoever
the funny thing is both said it as tho they were speaking in fact not giving an opinion
once again its on
the morning show vs eskin
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
once again its on
the morning show vs eskin
sounds real exciting. douchebags vs douchebag
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
the funny thing is both said it as tho they were speaking in fact not giving an opinion
I can't imagine why anyone would ever do such a thing.
I don't know anyone who posts like that
Quote
RUMORS OF STALLWORTH DEAL ARE NOT ACCURATE
We've received e-mails from several readers who have heard rumors (apparently on radio stations in the Boston area) that receiver Donte' Stallworth and the Patriots have agreed to a six-year, $32 million contract, with $12 million in guaranteed money.
Per a league source, there is no agreement between Stallworth and New England, and there isn't likely to be a deal in the short term. For now, the plan is for Stallworth to follow his visit to Foxborough with a trip to Tennessee and then to Miami.
Also, the Eagles have reportedly made an offer to Stallworth. We've confirmed that an offer has been made, but we have not been able to finable any of the terms.
If the Eagles re-sign Stallworth, they won't be required to upgrade the fourth-round pick that they sent to the Saints as part of the 2006 trade for the receiver to a third-round pick. The enhancement was required, we're told, only if Stallworth had been re-signed before becoming a free agent.
Good stuff DC.. where's that from?
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 04:27:52 PM
Quote
RUMORS OF STALLWORTH DEAL ARE NOT ACCURATE
We've received e-mails from several readers who have heard rumors (apparently on radio stations in the Boston area) that receiver Donte' Stallworth and the Patriots have agreed to a six-year, $32 million contract, with $12 million in guaranteed money.
Per a league source, there is no agreement between Stallworth and New England, and there isn't likely to be a deal in the short term. For now, the plan is for Stallworth to follow his visit to Foxborough with a trip to Tennessee and then to Miami.
Also, the Eagles have reportedly made an offer to Stallworth. We've confirmed that an offer has been made, but we have not been able to finable any of the terms.
If the Eagles re-sign Stallworth, they won't be required to upgrade the fourth-round pick that they sent to the Saints as part of the 2006 trade for the receiver to a third-round pick. The enhancement was required, we're told, only if Stallworth had been re-signed before becoming a free agent.
I saw this quote on PFT.
If it's true Porter has a 5/24/12 deal with Miami, hopefully that will take them off the Stallworth trail. On the other hand, maybe Donte' would want to be good buds with Ricky Williams if he's back.
Huh. I forgot about Ricky Williams.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2007, 03:22:12 PM
I think it means I'm pregnant with the anti-christ. Something tells me my penis-hole isn't going to be happy about that.
i'd be more than happy to repeatedly kick you in the stomach until Satan's aborted fetus oozed into your socks
IN
NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com) currently has this headline:
QuoteSchefter: Stallworth agrees to deal with Patriots
But, the link doesn't have that information: http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511
WTF
I just clicked on the link, and it said something about the Pats OFFERING a deal to Stallworth, then I refreshed, and it was gone. No mention of the Pats or Donte now......retarded.
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Most likely he signed with them....
Like I said earlier :middle finger:
Sirius reporting Stallworth has signed with the Patriots.
Mother. farger.
Oh well. 8-8.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 06:09:47 PM
Oh well. 8-8.
just like last year!!
*your whining this offseason is worse than a chick*
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 06:09:47 PM
Oh well. 8-8.
I'd agree if the rest of the East wasn't so pitiful.
10-6
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 06, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
Stallworth signed with NE- 6yrs/32M (12M guaranteed)
EDIT: Okay, this might be bullshtein...still checking
Rosenhaus just informed DNL that the above deal is what the Pats signed him for. Pathetic we couldn't match that offer.
Every day I hate this FO even more. Every goddamn day.
Hank Baskett & Jason Avat & Greg Lewis!!
Motherfargers.
here's to hoping he and Wes Welker celebrate their new contracts with a freshly rolled joint! :yay
i'm not particularly upset that he's gone. I liked him, but I'm more upset that the defense still looks like dog crap.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2007, 06:15:49 PM
Every day I hate this FO even more. Every goddamn day.
Hank Baskett & Jason Avat & Greg Lewis!!
Motherfargers.
If I was McNabb I'd quit the team or ask to be traded. How farging silly is this...back to 2000 it is.
Comcast link (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=46287)
This offseason sucks ass.
Quote from: hbionic on March 06, 2007, 06:17:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2007, 06:15:49 PM
Every day I hate this FO even more. Every goddamn day.
Hank Baskett & Jason Avat & Greg Lewis!!
Motherfargers.
If I was McNabb I'd quit the team or ask to be traded. How farging silly is this...back to 2000 it is.
I was thinking about that today while driving. This FO's philosophy is good at times. I like how they extend young players and value the draft.
However.
It's time to give it a goddamn all out shot. This team, in the NFC, was a legit contender last year without McNabb, with a defense that ate massive amounts of ass and STs who couldn't return or cover to save a life.
What do these jitbags do now? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. They are wasting McNabb and Westbrook.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2007, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 06:09:47 PM
Oh well. 8-8.
just like last year!!
*your whining this offseason is worse than a chick*
Right, because you predicted McNabb would get injured, and a rejuvenated Jeff Garcia would lead the team into the playoffs, right?
McNabb stays healthy, and last year's team finishes no better than 9-7.
Oh, and plenty of others are "whining" this off-season, and for good reason... so maybe you should start looking into the reasons for a change instead of trumpeting your borderline-retarded homerism left and right.
I was 100% wrong on all my Stallworth predictions.
Oh well.
This sucks hugely and massively and gigantically.
yay
I'd like to hear from Stallworth on why he thinks the Eagles didn't go after him. Besides being the cheapest franchise in Clippers and AZ Cardinals history!
hmmmm...Sirius is saying NFL.com farged up and that Stallworth only received an offer.
That would be great if Rosenhaus hadn't confirmed the deal to DNL.
is Jabar Gaffney available?
Schefter's latest:
QuoteFree agent wide receiver Donte Stallworth received an offer from the New England Patriots. He is scheduled to meet Wednesday with Titans officials in Tennessee and with the Dolphins on Thursday.
wtf.....
He didnt sign yet.
Eskin says BS too
All we really are doing ss torturing ourselves for the inevitable. Like those tortures where they keep the detainee alive until they can't anymore.
With every rumor that he is signed elsewhere, we die. Then when it is bullshtein, we can breathe again. This will keep going until we can't be revived anymore.
I'm prepared.
He is not going to be an Eagle this year. Get ready for Bobby Engram or Shaun McDonald.
Pretty much all of the sources are now saying it was only an offer. So what was CSN talking about with the Rosenhaus thing? Prank call?
Next Question.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 06, 2007, 07:01:55 PM
Pretty much all of the sources are now saying it was only an offer. So what was CSN talking about with the Rosenhaus thing? Prank call?
Probably made it up to sound credible. It is a
Comcast Sportsnet after all.
Quote from: King Cole on March 06, 2007, 06:48:15 PM
All we really are doing ss torturing ourselves for the inevitable. Like those tortures where they keep the detainee alive until they can't anymore.
With every rumor that he is signed elsewhere, we die. Then when it is bullshtein, we can breathe again. This will keep going until we can't be revived anymore.
I'm prepared.
Here's hoping you're the first to croak.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 06, 2007, 07:01:55 PM
Pretty much all of the sources are now saying it was only an offer. So what was CSN talking about with the Rosenhaus thing? Prank call?
Do you really think the Eagles will match/beat that offer, even if given the opportunity?
Stallworth decision coming friday.
Quote from: King Cole on March 06, 2007, 07:19:28 PM
Stallworth decision coming friday.
What the hell are you talking about?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 07:15:57 PM
Do you really think the Eagles will match/beat that offer, even if given the opportunity?
*clearing throat*
We'll get in there and mix it up.
*clearing throat*
We'll see what happens there.
*clearing throat*
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
Stallworth will pick a team on friday. Adam Schefter reported it on the NFL-N. The info came from Rosenhaus.
Huh. Sounds to me like he may be giving the Birds one final crack at it. He hasn't visited Tennessee or Miami yet. Sounds like it's between the Pats and Birds.....
Brady will enjoy having a deep threat..... :boom
It's farging amazing to me. It seems like Donte is bending over backwards to stay in Philly, and it is as if he is getting absolutely no reciprocation from the F.O.
farging HILARIOUS that the poll on PE.com is "Which WR has more upside? Baskett, Avant, or about the same?"
Baskett is winning the poll by a country mile with 70% of the vote, with 7500 votes in. farging lemmings. I wish they had the balls to put an option for "Doesn't farging matter, neither is a legit number two receiver".
Sonofabitch, this team is going to freaking kill me.
watch your mouth, choir boy
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
Huh. Sounds to me like he may be giving the Birds one final crack at it. He hasn't visited Tennessee or Miami yet. Sounds like it's between the Pats and Birds.....
Brady will enjoy having a deep threat..... :boom
It's farging amazing to me. It seems like Donte is bending over backwards to stay in Philly, and it is as if he is getting absolutely no reciprocation from the F.O.
farging HILARIOUS that the poll on PE.com is "Which WR has more upside? Baskett, Avant, or about the same?"
Baskett is winning the poll by a country mile with 70% of the vote, with 7500 votes in. farging lemmings. I wish they had the balls to put an option for "Doesn't farging matter, neither is a legit number two receiver".
Sorry should've been more clear.
He visits Tennessee tomorrow, Miami thursday, then makes hsi decision friday. So he should get an offer from all 4 teams.
[igy]i have a feeling mcnabb wants him to leave so when he loses next season ppl can blame the FO for letting stallworth and garcia go and not him[/igy]
So, you're TELLING ME there's a chance...!
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Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 06, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
farging lemmings. I wish they had the balls to put an option for "Doesn't farging matter, neither is a legit number two receiver".
Reggie Brown hasn't even proven himself to be a legit #2 yet. This team can lick my farging balls.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2007, 07:35:00 PM
So, you're TELLING ME there's a chance...!
(http://static.flickr.com/68/156968740_93ed34f0c2_m.jpg)
That was funny. Congratulations, you've temporarily removed yourself from my douchebag list.
Ok....highly unlikely scenario.
Drew Rosenhaus realized that he damaged his relationship with the Eagles FO with the whole TO thing. TO has only a few years left but knows that a better relationship with the Eagles brass will make him a richer man in the future (more deals)...now....because he wants to mend fences....he's advising Donte to hear the Eagles out and talking to the Eagles Brass behind the scenes. The Eagles FO somehow has a guarantee from Drew that Donte will give them a chance.
This is most likely what is happening behind the scenes right now and we're too stupid to see it. Probably.
Meanwhile, as the Eagles are waiting for Stallworth, it seems they can't multi-task and talk to other players as well.
At this point, with Stallworth doing allegedly doing all this waiting for the Eagles to throw him an offer, it seems like he's making sure no FA even bothers dealing with this team again. If he does sign in NE, I hope it works.
Shaun McDonals boners. Dante Stallworthless!!
Most recent update from PFT.com:
Quote
POSTED 7:39 p.m. EST; UPDATED 8:27 p.m. EST, March 6, 2007
STILL NO DEAL FOR STALLWORTH
Contrary to a report on ComcastSportsNet.com that receiver Donte' Stallworth has a deal with the New England Patriots, Profootballtalk.com has learned that there is no agreement.
ComcastSportsNet.com says that the deal was "confirmed . . . by the office of Drew Rosenhaus, Stallworth's agent."
Well, we tracked down Rosenhaus personally, and he told us: "There is no deal, and nothing is imminent."
Stallworth visited with the Patriots on Tuesday, and will next visit with the Titans, and then with the Dolphins. No decision on his next destination is expected until the end of the week, at the earliest.
[UPDATE: ComcastSportsNet.com has revised its story, calling the reports of a deal 'premature." In true Tribune-Review fashin, the reference to confirmation from the office of Drew Rosenhaus has been scrubbed out of the story.]
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AIDS FOR EVERYONE!
If this farging FO doesn't match a 6/32/12 deal, that's farging rediculous. Not only is that NOT overpaying him, but it's probably underpaying him by a couple milllion. That's a perfect amount to get his services for the next six years, and if they don't offer him about that much, if not a little more, then they're even more retarded then we all know they are.
We all know the Eagles offer was insulting as they all usually are. It takes about 5 offers for them to get to fair price range.
I'd be surprised if anyone was surprised at all this mess. Every offseason it's the same thing.
Jesus... you guys are going to kill me.
I've been away from my computer all day and I log on only to see SD's post that Stallworth signed with NE. Thank God (for now) that it was all misinformation.
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2007, 10:00:29 PM
If this farging FO doesn't match a 6/32/12 deal, that's farging rediculous. Not only is that NOT overpaying him, but it's probably underpaying him by a couple milllion. That's a perfect amount to get his services for the next six years, and if they don't offer him about that much, if not a little more, then they're even more retarded then we all know they are.
You damn skippy... if/when the time comes Stallworth signs with someone else, it better be for some outrageous amount of money. At least then, you can understand somewhat why they'd let him walk... even though the Eagles are in a position where they probably need to overpay a bit, IMO.
If they let him walk for 6y/32m/12m... jesus. :boom
rosenhaus is brilliant...dropping rumors of signing....not signing....still available....get him while you can...
and all the while using the patriots (the real gold standard) as his tool...wouldnt be surprised to see tenn or mia come in with a huge offer...something even bigger than the numbers the patriots are supposedly throwing out there which by themselves are great considering the substance abuse issues
Here's what was in Brookover's Wednesday morning column:
1. The Birds did not offerStallworth a contract.
2. The Birds were not the source of the Stallworth drug leak.
3. Rosenhaus asked the Eaglesif they would be amenable to a 1 year deal and they said yes, but they also said they'd like to offer him a multiyear deal.
Here's my take on the other teams' chances:
The Pats have the best chance. If the Eagles' offer is anywhere close to the Pats, we'll see what Stallworth's previous proclamations are worth that he wanted to stay in Philly.
Miami still isn't sold on Culpepper being their QB and are interested in Trent Green, now that KC has told Green he has to take a pay cut and compete for his job.
Tennessee threw a lot of money on Daivd Givens last year--and he missed half the year with knee injuries and he might not play until mid-2007; would they be really smart in throwing money at another WR who might have injury problems? I think they'll go for the hometown player, Robert Meachem, out of UT.
nm
I was beginning to lean against retaining Stallworth if the bonus money was in the 18-20 million dollar range but if the latest offer is as reported (6/32/12) and the Eagles don't match it, they're just being petty.
That's chump change for a guy of Donte's quality.
Petty? The Eagles? Surely you jest.
the Patriots wanting to sign Stallworth should be all the Eagles need to know.
he won't sign with the Eagles, they'll draft a bunch of players that they'll be excited about, they have a true 7-9, 8-8 team, but due to the division and conference they'll win 10 games, lose in the playoffs, and the season will be considered a success by the 3-headed douchebag of Reid, Banner, and Lurie
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2007, 08:40:42 AM
the Patriots wanting to sign Stallworth should be all the Eagles need to know.
that was my thinking also.
When you're an ametuer franchise like the Patriots, it's only natural that they would want to model themselves after the NFL's Gold Standard. And one way to do that is by signing their players.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 06, 2007, 06:23:32 PM
I was 100% wrong on all my Stallworth predictions.
Oh well.
This sucks hugely and massively and gigantically.
Not giving up yet. Like I said, all this other stuff is Rosenhaus' smoke and mirror act, and Stallworth will be an Eagle by the beginning of next week.
but free agency isnt how you build a team!...if i never hear that again it will be to soon...
not saying it is the way to build a team but please joe banner shut up about that...
see you build a team by getting good players...whether it be draft....free agency or the eagles preferred method of undrafted free agents...it doesnt matter...fill your roster with guys who can play and chances are good things will happen
what is so hard about this
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 09:14:10 AMwhat is so hard about this
the goal is to maximize profit first, superbowl second.
Do we even know that the Patriots made the offer being talked about? Since just about NOTHING else is true, has it been determined if these numbers are even legit?
From what I can tell/have read, no. We know nothing.
i think its pretty clear that they made him an offer...the patriots hosted him yesterday its been reported both in the philly and boston media that an offer was made...whats in question is the 6/32/12 numbers that got out there...im betting that was all rosenhaus
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 09:14:10 AM
but free agency isnt how you build a team!...if i never hear that again it will be to soon...
not saying it is the way to build a team but please joe banner shut up about that...
see you build a team by getting good players...whether it be draft....free agency or the eagles preferred method of undrafted free agents...it doesnt matter...fill your roster with guys who can play and chances are good things will happen
what is so hard about this
I do believe in the "build through the draft" philosophy and this is one area where the Eagles have done a pretty good job in for the most part ever since Reid came in. Of course, some of the contract extensions they gave to certain players last year are a bit questionable, but for the most part they've been pretty good about getting key players locked up long term while they are still young.
But what is frustrating to no end is that this team doesn't seem to place any value in aquiring experienced, proven veterans through free agency. Instead, they seem to mostly use free agency to pick up some 2nd or 3rd tier "project" player that they think they can mold into a playmaker.
I can respect and appreciate the fact that they don't go around spending obsene amounts of money on free agents every year. But it doesn't take a genious to identify 1 or 2 available players each year who will no doubt make an impact on your team and do what it takes to get them. They've done that 1 time so far. Kearse and TO. Where'd it get them? Oh yeah, the Super Bowl.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
i think its pretty clear that they made him an offer...the patriots hosted him yesterday its been reported both in the philly and boston media that an offer was made...whats in question is the 6/32/12 numbers that got out there...im betting that was all rosenhaus
That's what I meant, the numbers. People are freaking saying that "if the Eagles let him walk over a contract like that, they should burn" etc....so I am just asking if those numbers were even based on anything at all. Or were they based on the same "source" that said the deal was done.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
But what is frustrating to no end is that this team doesn't seem to place any value in aquiring experienced, proven veterans through free agency. Instead, they seem to mostly use free agency to pick up some 2nd or 3rd tier "project" player that they think they can mold into a playmaker.
I can respect and appreciate the fact that they don't go around spending obsene amounts of money on free agents every year. But it doesn't take a genious to identify 1 or 2 available players each year who will no doubt make an impact on your team and do what it takes to get them. They've done that 1 time so far. Kearse and TO. Where'd it get them? Oh yeah, the Super Bowl.
Even more frustrating is that it makes you think they can't even see their own needs. I'm glad they aren't the taterskins and don't go get any name player at any position... but if they can't see that this LB corps isn't in dire need of some proven, veteran help they are insane.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
I do believe in the "build through the draft" philosophy and this is one area where the Eagles have done a pretty good job in for the most part ever since Reid came in.
They've done ok, but nothing great, it's not like they are Pittsburgh or New England that has a good draft almost every year.
I said this before, but from the picks they had in the 04 and 05 ( i think it was 16 picks) drafts there are only 3 or 4 players still on the team it's players from those drafts that should be filling out this team. I actually wonder what the ratio of free agents/trades:draft picks:undrafted free agents this team is comprised of.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 07, 2007, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
i think its pretty clear that they made him an offer...the patriots hosted him yesterday its been reported both in the philly and boston media that an offer was made...whats in question is the 6/32/12 numbers that got out there...im betting that was all rosenhaus
That's what I meant, the numbers. People are freaking saying that "if the Eagles let him walk over a contract like that, they should burn" etc....so I am just asking if those numbers were even based on anything at all. Or were they based on the same "source" that said the deal was done.
I don't know if anybody's "freaking"... matter of fact, I don't recall anyone not using "if".
Personally, my thing is that if the Eagles were to let him walk over a contract in the area of the 6y/32m/12m, then they should be shot because that's a more then reasonable contract for Stallworth (I mean, look at what Wes farging Welker just got from the Patriots) and one the Eagles could easily afford.
Now if he signs for something outrageous, like closer to that 6y/40m/18m that he was rumored to be asking for... sure I'd still be pissed because we'd no longer have Stallworth, but I can at least see a reason the Eagles would be hesitant in bringing him back.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 07, 2007, 10:58:42 AMlook at what Wes farging Welker just got from the Patriots
He got slightly more than Bobby Wade. It wasn't $38.5M...
forget that there are at least two other teams in the mix does anyone really believe stallworth would head to head choose the eagles over new england unless the eagles blew away the pats offer which we know would never happen
aj feely/mcnabb vs tom brady????
three time sb champs vs "gold standard"
its not like the eagles are going up against arizona or minnesota to get this guy
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2007, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
I do believe in the "build through the draft" philosophy and this is one area where the Eagles have done a pretty good job in for the most part ever since Reid came in.
They've done ok, but nothing great, it's not like they are Pittsburgh or New England that has a good draft almost every year.
I said this before, but from the picks they had in the 04 and 05 ( i think it was 16 picks) drafts there are only 3 or 4 players still on the team it's players from those drafts that should be filling out this team. I actually wonder what the ratio of free agents/trades:draft picks:undrafted free agents this team is comprised of.
Can't say I disagree with you. I'd say they've been better than most teams in the league in terms of building their core through the draft but obviously there are some other teams who are a bit better at it.
the eagles problem is not that they are terrible overall at drafting...i would say they are spotty....its their utter inability to draft certain positions
they simply cannot find LB - DL - WR's that can play
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2007, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
I do believe in the "build through the draft" philosophy and this is one area where the Eagles have done a pretty good job in for the most part ever since Reid came in.
They've done ok, but nothing great, it's not like they are Pittsburgh or New England that has a good draft almost every year.
I said this before, but from the picks they had in the 04 and 05 ( i think it was 16 picks) drafts there are only 3 or 4 players still on the team it's players from those drafts that should be filling out this team. I actually wonder what the ratio of free agents/trades:draft picks:undrafted free agents this team is comprised of.
From '04--Andrews and Tapeh are still on the team. That was a bad draft---Ware, who should have contributed more as a 3rd rounder was cut last year and signed by the Cards, but I don't even know if he played last year.
From '05--the only players not on the roster are Keyonta Marshall (7th rounder) and Calvin Armstrong (6th rounder). The rest, all except McCoy were given extensions last year.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 07, 2007, 12:00:30 PM
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From '05--the only players not on the roster are Keyonta Marshall (7th rounder) and Calvin Armstrong (6th rounder). The rest, all except McCoy were given extensions last year.
i think it was the '03 and '04 drafts then, it was 2 back to back that didn't have great results.
'03 was stellar. JEROME MCDOUGLE!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 11:43:17 AM
the eagles problem is not that they are terrible overall at drafting...i would say they are spotty....its their utter inability to draft certain positions
they simply cannot find LB - DL - WR's that can play
I think you are absolutely spot on. Aside from Reggie Brown, they haven't drafted a decent player at either position. For all the successes we've seen in the secondary and on the offensive line, there's been at least as many busts at WR and LB.
He needs to be cut. Or shot again. Take your pick.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 07, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
'03 was stellar. JEROME MCDOUGLE!
It's either him or Freddie that have to go down as the biggest draft bust of the Reid era.
McDougle no doubt, they traded up to get him
Freddie at least farging played some. Made a few catches. Only a few, but farg. McDougle hasn't done shtein. Except rock Eli in a pre-season game. Wahoo.
McDougle has been a colossal bust. He hasn't contributed anything whatsoever.
At least Hollywood had the 4th & 26 and "scramble" catches.
Also - I don't believe anyone here was "freaking" out over the supposed New England offer. I was speaking hypothetically when I said that if the Eagles didn't match the offer they were just being petty. None of us knows for sure if the offer was made, but IF it was made and the Eagles didn't jump on it to match, they're farging retarded, plain and simple.
No contest. The only entertainment/contributions McDougle has made since he was drafted are:
1. Decking Eli.... a long, long time ago.
2. Getting shot.
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2007, 10:51:40 AM
I actually wonder what the ratio of free agents/trades:draft picks:undrafted free agents this team is comprised of.
QuoteAkers, David
Andrews, Shawn
Avant, Jason
Barber , Shawn
Bartrum, Mike
Baskett, Hank
Bloom, Jeremy
Brown, Reggie
Brown, Sheldon
Buckhalter, Correll
Bunkley, Brodrick
Cole, Nick
Cole, Trent
Considine, Sean
Daniels, Torrance
Davis, Jason
Dawkins, Brian
Detmer, Koy
Dorenbos, Jon
Feeley, A.J.
Fox, Dustin
Gaither, Omar
Gasperson, Michael
Gocong, Chris
Hanson, Joselio
Herremans, Todd
Hood, Roderick
Howard, Darren
Jackson, Jamaal
James, William
Jean-Gilles, Max
Johnson, Dirk
Jones, Dhani
Justice, Winston
Kearse, Jevon DE
Lewis, Greg
Mahe, Reno
McCoy, Matt
McCoy, Pat
McDougle, Jerome
McNabb, Donovan
Mikell, Quintin
Moats, Ryan
Patterson, Mike
Ramsey, LaJuan
Rayburn, Sam
Richmond, Greg
Rocca, Saverio
Rodgers, Stefan
Roper, Dedrick (From Steelers Practice Squad)
Runyan, Jon
Schobel, Matt
Sheppard, Lito
Smith, L.J.
Stallworth, Donté
Tapeh, Thomas
Thomas, Juqua
Thomas, William
Trotter, Jeremiah
Tuiasosopo , Zach
Vickers, Lee
Walker, Darwin
Westbrook, Brian
Young, Scott
Free Agent 19
Draft Pick 28
Trade 2
Undrafted Free Agent 11
Picked by God and Delivered to Novacare 2
Drafted, left, resigned 2
This is off the top of my head, with minimal research...so if i am wrong...so be it.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 07, 2007, 12:20:18 PM
Except rock Eli in a pre-season game. Wahoo.
That was actually in the opening game of the 04' season.
That's the time of year where records count.
nine players in eight drafts that contribute on an above average level
i have no idea if that number is high or low compared to other teams during the same time period
I remember thinking after Jon Harris was drafted that there will probably never be a bigger first round draft bust by the Eagles.
I so wish I was wrong.
harris wins and its not close...he wasnt on some teams draft board...and not first round board...like the board where you have draftable players
mcdougle at least carried a first round grade
remember the look on kipers face? i dont think they even had a write up on him.
im gonna try to find his pre-draft info...
ha.....classic
From the Inky, the day after the 97' draft...
And you thought you were surprised. When the phone rang yesterday afternoon, Jon Harris wasn't expecting it to be Ray Rhodes calling to congratulate him on becoming the Eagles' first-round draft choice. ``I have to say I was a little surprised,'' Harris said. ``The Eagles called me in the morning and said they would try to get me; I didn't know they meant in the first round. I thought maybe I would go in the second round.
Eagles were the only "F" given by Peter King...
F
PHILADELPHIA Someday Ray Rhodes might just be right about first-rounded Jon Harris. But the raw defensive end was an awful reach a year ago, and he's an awful reach today.
I don't know if it's the age of some of you but if anyone ever mentions worst first round picks in Eagles history and the name "Kevin Allen" doesn't immediately follow, something's amiss.
Convicted rapist + colossal waste on the field = worst Eagles bust ever.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 07, 2007, 12:33:10 PM
Free Agent 19
Draft Pick 28
Trade 2
Undrafted Free Agent 11
Picked by God and Delivered to Novacare 2
Drafted, left, resigned 2
This is off the top of my head, with minimal research...so if i am wrong...so be it.
nice work
22 players from free agency or trade (34%)
30 players they originally drafted (47%)
12 players, undrafted free agents (19%)
almost 20% of their roster is comprised of guys that no one in the entire league drafted. am i wrong to think that number is incredibly too high?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 07, 2007, 12:55:04 PM
I don't know if it's the age of some of you but if anyone ever mentions worst first round picks in Eagles history and the name "Kevin Allen" doesn't immediately follow, something's amiss.
Convicted rapist + colossal waste on the field = worst Eagles bust ever.
Well, as long as we are playing, my I submit...Antone-two-farging-first-rounders-Davis?
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2007, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 07, 2007, 12:33:10 PM
Free Agent 19
Draft Pick 28
Trade 2
Undrafted Free Agent 11
Picked by God and Delivered to Novacare 2
Drafted, left, resigned 2
This is off the top of my head, with minimal research...so if i am wrong...so be it.
nice work
22 players from free agency or trade (34%)
30 players they originally drafted (47%)
12 players, undrafted free agents (19%)
almost 20% of their roster is comprised of guys that no one in the entire league drafted. am i wrong to think that number is incredibly too high?
The undrafted rookies do include Rod "igy's God" Hood, Quinten Mikell, Sam Rayburn, Greg lewis, and Jamaal Jackson (25%)...the rest of the UDFAs are special teamers.
None of them are really liabilities when you look at the role they play. (Except for Greg Lewis in 05)
i think the point is that the team should contain players that contribute at a high level or who at least contain a higher ceiling as opposed to guys that "arent liabilities"
by definition draft picks are more talented than undrafted players
Quote from: Diomedes on March 07, 2007, 12:20:18 PM
Freddie at least farging played some. Made a few catches. Only a few, but farg. McDougle hasn't done shtein. Except rock Eli in a pre-season game. Wahoo.
In fairness to McBustle, that was the regular season opener (TO's first game as an Eagle, where he caught more TDs in the first quarter than any of our excuses for WRs had caught the entire previous season). Definitely the highlight of his career.
I farging hate the Patriots and their doucheclown fans. If they sign Stallworth I will suicide bomb Gillette Stadium at their home opener next year.
Ya, so I got the game wrong. He made one memorable play in a real game. Why he's still an Eagle, I don't know.
If you're gonna take out Gillette stadium, do it when Kraft is there. He's a douce.
Is this the Donte Stallworth thread? Reading the last 2 pages made me confused.
GET DONTE
That's more farging like it.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but
GREAT POST, IGY!
Titans MB: "Why don't I want Stallworth?" (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24493)
They're sick of hearing about him too...
If people are sick of hearing about player's names over and over again then maybe football message boards during free agency are a bad place to hang out.
The only people that have a right to complain are the Eagles fans who are getting an inferior product and who are paying thousands of dollars for it.
the titans have fans?
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
The only people that have a right to complain are the Eagles fans who are getting an inferior product and who are paying thousands of dollars for it.
Yeah, it sucks that the eagles are the only team that doesnt win the superbowl every season.
Yeah, it sucks that the eagles are the only team that doesnt win the superbowl every season
they are worse...they are the only team that could win it every season and doesnt
Quote from: Wingspan on March 07, 2007, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
The only people that have a right to complain are the Eagles fans who are getting an inferior product and who are paying thousands of dollars for it.
Yeah, it sucks that the eagles are the only team that doesnt win the superbowl every season.
I have to agree here. An inferior product is the Arizona Cardinals, the Oakland Raiders. teams that suck ass every year, and make no real strides to improve. The fact that Philly has been to the playoffs more than any other team in the NFC in recent years, and has put up winning records more than any other NFC team in recent years shows it isn't an inferior product.
Maybe you should go root for the Colts, since they are champions. Or whoever wins this years Super Bowl. You can be one of those piece of shtein fans that pretended to be a Cowboy fan during their highlight years, or a Pats fan in this decade.
Don't start crying about an inferior product. It makes you seem simpler than many people here already think you are.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 05:00:59 PM
Yeah, it sucks that the eagles are the only team that doesnt win the superbowl every season
they are worse...they are the only team that could win it every season and doesnt
Right on the money here. They could be in the Superbowl every season but aren't. They should've been in it last year. If they would've actually signed some defensive impact players they probably would have.
Making the playoffs was the worst thing that could've happened to the Eagles, because they actually think they are good. They only got in because they played bad teams, and got exposed by the first real team they played.
You guys crying becuas ethey get in the playoffs and not the Super Bowl are crazy rediculous.
Even though it hurts each year, I'd rather have that then be part of a team fan base that gets to look forward to going 6-10 or worse each and every season.
Wah, wah, wah.. Eagles suck because they make the playoffs.
Asshats.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 07, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
It makes you seem simpler than many people here already think you are.
i hope this was an attempt at irony
Quote from: Father Demon on March 07, 2007, 05:07:29 PM
You guys crying becuas ethey get in the playoffs and not the Super Bowl are crazy rediculous.
Even though it hurts each year, I'd rather have that then be part of a team fan base that gets to look forward to going 6-10 or worse each and every season.
Wah, wah, wah.. Eagles suck because they make the playoffs.
Asshats.
The Eagles have never won a Superbowl ever. Sorry, maybe a long time ago you could be happy with just making the playoffs, but not anymore. Not after 4 NFC Championship Games, a Superbowl appearance and other playoff appearances in the last 10 years.
The only thing worse than no opportunity is a blown opportunity, and the Eagles blow opportunities all the time. They blew it 2 years in a row by standing pat. The NFC isn't going to suck forever, and McNabb won't stay young forever. At this pace by 35 he will be in a wheelchair. The time to go for it is now.
I actually gotta agree with IGY and (gulp) Queen Cole. The Eagles for the most part, have put a superior team on the field during the regular season over the last 7 or 8 years. There's no disputing that. And they managed to put a team on the field that came within one game of making the Super Bowl 4 years in a row and only getting there once.
I won't say that they had all inferior players during that run because if they did, then they simply wouldn't have had the success that they enjoyed. However, in every NFCCG loss (maybe with the expection of the 1st one against the Rams) the Eagles were severely out coached. And the same can be said for the Super Bowl. The same can be said for the New Orleans game this year too.
The big game coaching on this team has been inferior throughout. And coaching is a part of the overall product. Therefore, inferior coaching = inferior product.
And then of course, there's the FO's refusal to fix certain positions on this team that always seem to be the weakness. They've had the money to do it for years and only once did they actually break open the checkbook. When you've got money like the Eagles do and you don't invest it in players who can make a difference, be it in house free agents or external ones then you are putting an inferior product on the field becuase it is inferior to what you have the ability to produce.
Father Demon, if the Eagles put a product out there like the Cardinals or the Raiders, they'd start to lose money, so obviously, the better bet is strive for slightly above mediocrity, so they still make money. Last year was ideal, they got a home playoff game, made a ton of money, and now have an excuse for not making an impact free agent signing. "Well we were good enough to win the division with Jeff Garcia as our quarterback, with Donavan back, we'll win the NFC!!" Eagles seem to be following the plan of the Sixers post 2001.. put a mediocre product on the floor... win the first round of the playoffs.. then get bounced by a superior team. then when they are criticized, the front office mentions how they went to the Finals (or superbowl) a few years before, so they obviously are doing something right.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 06:40:34 PM
I actually gotta agree with IGY and (gulp) Queen Cole. The Eagles for the most part, have put a superior team on the field during the regular season over the last 7 or 8 years. There's no disputing that. And they managed to put a team on the field that came within one game of making the Super Bowl 4 years in a row and only getting there once.
I won't say that they had all inferior players during that run because if they did, then they simply wouldn't have had the success that they enjoyed. However, in every NFCCG loss (maybe with the expection of the 1st one against the Rams) the Eagles were severely out coached. And the same can be said for the Super Bowl. The same can be said for the New Orleans game this year too.
The big game coaching on this team has been inferior throughout. And coaching is a part of the overall product. Therefore, inferior coaching = inferior product.
And then of course, there's the FO's refusal to fix certain positions on this team that always seem to be the weakness. They've had the money to do it for years and only once did they actually break open the checkbook. When you've got money like the Eagles do and you don't invest it in players who can make a difference, be it in house free agents or external ones then you are putting an inferior product on the field becuase it is inferior to what you have the ability to produce.
Good points.
Excessively wordy.
B+
I like everyone talking about inferior products. You know what happens when someone tries to sell you an inferior product for, on average, hundreds of dollars? You don't buy it, or you stop. How many people on this board are willing to stop buying what the Eagles are selling? We'll eat what they give us, and ask for seconds. We are Banner's bitches. Especially Bionic.
I blame that on reading too many of Muson's posts. I forgot how to quickly get to the point.
I'll take a new stab at it:
The big game coaching has sucked and the Eagles haven't used their available resources to put the best possible team on the field. Therefore, inferior product.
Better?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2007, 06:53:22 PM
I blame that on reading too many of Muson's posts. I forgot how to quickly get to the point.
I'll take a new stab at it:
The big game coaching has sucked and the Eagles haven't used their available resources to put the best possible team on the field. Therefore, inferior product.
Better?
Better.
B-
You loose credit for mentioning that fargstick Munson.
Deservedly so, I suppose.
I disagree. Inferior product means they suck. The eagles, as a team on the field, do not suck. They don't do the best they can (coaching, filling certain holes are excellent points), but then again neither do 31 teams a year if the mark for doing it all right is winning the Super Bowl. The Eagles are not a superior product, but they are a far cry from inferior.
Don't get me wrong -- I get pissed at being out coached time and time again, and I get pissed at the lack of movement, especially with something like Stallworth going on this year where we had what we needed, and then are apparently letting it go with minimal effort (as far as we know, anyway). But, I'd still rather be a fan of a team that I can root for and be given a win more often than a loss.
And it makes people whining about all of this seem like little bitches. Except Sarge, because I already know he's a little bitch.
Banner didn't call a farging flare pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and goal. Nor did he call a punt on 4th down with 3 minutes left. That douche bag Reid did. Score a TD there and they likely (I believe) beat a superior team which was kicking us around all game long. If you're gonna kill someone, kill the right someone.
Actually Father, he's a big bitch. Sarge is a large, farging bitch.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 07, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
Banner didn't call a farging flare pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and goal. Nor did he call a punt on 4th down with 3 minutes left. That douche bag Reid did. Score a TD there and they likely (I believe) beat a superior team which was kicking us around all game long. If you're gonna kill someone, kill the right someone.
and in the same token you can say that if we actually had some impact defensive players then we could've stopped Deuce on some of those drives where he ate up the Eagles defense.
That fault goes to Banner. Sitting back content and satisfied after going 6-10 and making Darren farging Howard your big pickup. :-D
Next time I am totally leaving you 2 fargers in Kansas.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 07, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
Banner didn't call a farging flare pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and goal. Nor did he call a punt on 4th down with 3 minutes left. That douche bag Reid did. Score a TD there and they likely (I believe) beat a superior team which was kicking us around all game long. If you're gonna kill someone, kill the right someone.
and in the same token you can say that if we actually had some impact defensive players then we could've stopped Deuce on some of those drives where he ate up the Eagles defense.
That fault goes to Banner. Sitting back content and satisfied after going 6-10 and making Darren farging Howard your big pickup. :-D
You really are a farging idiot. Do you honestly believe that BANNER makes the personnel decisions? He writes contracts, period. Reid, and to a lesser extent, Heckert make all personnel decisions. If Reid said we need better LBs make it so, Banner would find a way.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 07, 2007, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 07, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
Banner didn't call a farging flare pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and goal. Nor did he call a punt on 4th down with 3 minutes left. That douche bag Reid did. Score a TD there and they likely (I believe) beat a superior team which was kicking us around all game long. If you're gonna kill someone, kill the right someone.
and in the same token you can say that if we actually had some impact defensive players then we could've stopped Deuce on some of those drives where he ate up the Eagles defense.
That fault goes to Banner. Sitting back content and satisfied after going 6-10 and making Darren farging Howard your big pickup. :-D
You really are a farging idiot. Do you honestly believe that BANNER makes the personnel decisions? He writes contracts, period. Reid, and to a lesser extent, Heckert make all personnel decisions. If Reid said we need better LBs make it so, Banner would find a way.
Banner and Lurie decide if each player is worth the bang for their buck. Heckert gives them names and an estimated price, and Banner, Lurie, and Andy make the final decision.
Whether they are signed or not falls on Banner and co. Not Heckert.
Heckert deserves blame for the drafts though.
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!
It all falls squarely on Reid. Banner is a farging CPA, nothing more. Heckert scores em, Banner pays em, but Reid makes the call. If he wants to overpay for someone (like Kearse), it gets done, no matter what the bean counter thinks.
Even if it does fall on Reid, you blamed Reid as a coach, I blame Reid as the GM.
Same person, different reasons. I don't dislike him as a coach, but I blame personnel for that Saints loss, not the coaching.
Wrong. You blamed Banner as the decision maker. Which is complete bullshtein. And Reid is coach and GM, and he continues to farg up at both. As well as parenthood. Useless as a fart in a spacesuit, that one.
I think they all make the decisions together, but when I say Banner I usually mean the entire front office as a whole. It is just easy picking on Banner because he is small and sniveling. But blaming him as a parent is stupid. You have no idea about his personal life. You just don't like the guy. As your posts, signature, and avatar caption all show.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:44:04 PM
I think they all make the decisions together, but when I say Banner I usually mean the entire front office as a whole. It is just easy picking on Banner because he is small and sniveling. But blaming him as a parent is stupid. You have no idea about his personal life. You just don't like the guy. As your posts, signature, and avatar caption all show.
You've been tripping over your dork since you joined this board. You make a statement, defend it as gospel, then double back and say you never said it - then get proven wrong. I used to hope you would go away, but now I just tune in for the hilarity of it all.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:35:55 PM
Even if it does fall on Reid, you blamed Reid as a coach, I blame Reid as the GM.
Same person, different reasons. I don't dislike him as a coach, but I blame personnel for that Saints loss, not the coaching.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:29:39 PM
Banner and Lurie decide if each player is worth the bang for their buck. Heckert gives them names and an estimated price, and Banner, Lurie, and Andy make the final decision.
Whether they are signed or not falls on Banner and co. Not Heckert.
Heckert deserves blame for the drafts though.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
and in the same token you can say that if we actually had some impact defensive players then we could've stopped Deuce on some of those drives where he ate up the Eagles defense.
That fault goes to Banner. Sitting back content and satisfied after going 6-10 and making Darren farging Howard your big pickup. :-D
Tool.
Quote from: King Cole on March 07, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 07, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
Banner didn't call a farging flare pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and goal. Nor did he call a punt on 4th down with 3 minutes left. That douche bag Reid did. Score a TD there and they likely (I believe) beat a superior team which was kicking us around all game long. If you're gonna kill someone, kill the right someone.
and in the same token you can say that if we actually had some impact defensive players then we could've stopped Deuce on some of those drives where he ate up the Eagles defense.
That fault goes to Banner. Sitting back content and satisfied after going 6-10 and making Darren farging Howard your big pickup. :-D
Darren Howard wouldn't have been nearly as suck-worthy had Kearse not gone down. Everyone's numbers suffered without Kearse, even "King Cole".
I'd put money down that at least two out of the 3 of Kearse, Cole, or Howard, would have finished the season with double digit sacks.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC link=topic=19194.msg505076#msg505076
You've been tripping over your dork since you joined this board. You make a statement, defend it as gospel, then double back and say you never said it - then get proven wrong. I used to hope you would go away, but now I just tune in for the hilarity of it all.
Tool.
oooooooh my god, I made a error in choice of words in one of my posts.
OOOH THE HUMANITY.
:-D
loser
You would be correct if the "error" was only in one post.
Moving on, PFT's latest on Stallworth:
Quote
STALLWORTH DEAL COMING FRIDAY?
Look for receiver Donte' Stallworth to have a new deal in place by Friday.
Per a league source, Stallworth is expected to pull the trigger on a new contract by then. Barring an unforeseen development, such as a late arrival into the bidding for his services, Stallworth likely will have a new team by Saturday.
Stallworth, who played in 2006 with the Eagles, has visited with the Patriots and Titans, and will meet with the Dolphins on Friday. There are conflicting reports as to whether the Eagles have extended an offer to him.
Quote
EAGLES DIDN'T LEAK STALLWORTH'S STATUS IN PROGRAM
Though some members of the media, and some league insiders, believe that the person who first publicly reported the status of receiver Donte' Stallworth in the league's substance abuse program got his information from the Eagles, we can report with 100 percent certainty that we got the news via someone other than the Eagles, and that the person who shared the news with us didn't get it from the Eagles.
Indeed, the information was already "out there" well before Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported on the subject earlier this week.
And the publication of the information didn't affect Stallworth's value on the market, since teams are entitled to find out whether a free agent is in the program.
But since it's now harder for teams to recover signing bonus money when a suspension occurs, look for the squad that signs Stallworth to include some protections against the possibility that Stallworth eventually will be suspended.
You guys crying becuas ethey get in the playoffs and not the Super Bowl are crazy rediculous.
Even though it hurts each year, I'd rather have that then be part of a team fan base that gets to look forward to going 6-10 or worse each and every season.
in 2001 and 2002 i was estatic with 10-6 and the playoffs...not now...not after theyve been so close for so many years and have done nothing outside of the TO year to take that extra step
and if their lack of imporvements send them to sub 500 records for the next few years then my expectations will lower and ill will again be happy with a 10-6 record
when you suck the expectation for improvement to a good team should exist...when youre good the expectation to be very good should be there and when youre on the cusp of a championship the expectation should be by all means necessary win the god damn thing....
More from Brookover.link (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16849255.htm)
QuoteConflicting reports were circulating about the wide receiver. In the end, he still could return to Philadelphia.
yeah and he could retire
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 08:55:49 PM
You guys crying becuas ethey get in the playoffs and not the Super Bowl are crazy rediculous.
Even though it hurts each year, I'd rather have that then be part of a team fan base that gets to look forward to going 6-10 or worse each and every season.
in 2001 and 2002 i was estatic with 10-6 and the playoffs...not now...not after theyve been so close for so many years and have done nothing outside of the TO year to take that extra step
and if their lack of imporvements send them to sub 500 records for the next few years then my expectations will lower and ill will again be happy with a 10-6 record
when you suck the expectation for improvement to a good team should exist...when youre good the expectation to be very good should be there and when youre on the cusp of a championship the expectation should be by all means necessary win the god damn thing....
I don't disagree with what you've said. As the team gets better, expectations should rise. But, not winning the whole god damn thing does not mean they are an inferioe product, and that the team sucks. Continuing to say so, after years of playoffs and winning records is crazy talk. They didn't meet your expectations of being the one team to outlast the other 31 -- they are still a good team, winning more than they lose, and giving you, the fan, the opportunity to enjoy at least a third of a year more than at least half the other NHL cities.
i never said they were inferior and whoever did is a moron
infuriating but not inferior
Quote from: Father Demon on March 07, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2007, 08:55:49 PM
You guys crying becuas ethey get in the playoffs and not the Super Bowl are crazy rediculous.
Even though it hurts each year, I'd rather have that then be part of a team fan base that gets to look forward to going 6-10 or worse each and every season.
in 2001 and 2002 i was estatic with 10-6 and the playoffs...not now...not after theyve been so close for so many years and have done nothing outside of the TO year to take that extra step
and if their lack of imporvements send them to sub 500 records for the next few years then my expectations will lower and ill will again be happy with a 10-6 record
when you suck the expectation for improvement to a good team should exist...when youre good the expectation to be very good should be there and when youre on the cusp of a championship the expectation should be by all means necessary win the god damn thing....
I don't disagree with what you've said. As the team gets better, expectations should rise. But, not winning the whole god damn thing does not mean they are an inferioe product, and that the team sucks. Continuing to say so, after years of playoffs and winning records is crazy talk. They didn't meet your expectations of being the one team to outlast the other 31 -- they are still a good team, winning more than they lose, and giving you, the fan, the opportunity to enjoy at least a third of a year more than at least half the other NHL cities.
They aren't inferior to the league, but the team is inferior to what it could be. Meaning basically that the team isn't as good as it should be. That is what I meant what I said inferior. Should've been clearer.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 07, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
the opportunity to enjoy at least a third of a year more than at least half the other NHL cities.
That was an obvious typo but I still chuckled. :-D
Typo and all, I think it's still true! :-D
According to Les Bowen in this morning's philly.com, Stallworth left Tennessee without a deal. He says that he may have to accept a 1 year offer and re-enter FA next year.
Then godfargingdamnit, the Eagles have said they'd be willing to negotiate on a long term deal...so farging do it already. The Eagles have some farging balls letting him dangle out there and no one has given him an offer to jump on. They've proven the point that he's not as valuable as he thought, now get the deal done.
Quote from: Munson on March 08, 2007, 05:29:00 AM
Then godfargingdamnit, the Eagles have said they'd be willing to negotiate on a long term deal...so farging do it already. The Eagles have some farging balls letting him dangle out there and no one has given him an offer to jump on. They've proven the point that he's not as valuable as he thought, now get the deal done.
I have to say I'm quite surprised. In the same Bowen article, it says that Rosenhaus envisioned getting him anywhere from 10-15M in a bonus--no one knows what he's been offered, but apparently, it hasn't bowled him over. I think Tennessee, having been burned by the Daivd Givens experience last year, was maybe reluctant to offer him a big deal given his erractic injury history.
Miami doesn't yet know who their QB will be yet, as reports have them interested in Trent Green, plus Cameron is saying he's going to build a ground attack similar to what he had in SD. That doesn't bode well for someone who wants to catch a lot of passes to build up his value.
hed rather do a one year with brady and blow up this year than sign a long term deal with the eagles...its probably a smart risk to take
If he does a one year deal to have a chance to show off to the league, he's gone. If I were him, I wouldn't want another repeat of last season at all.
Since there's been some confusion about what he was offered:
QuotePatriots | Terms of Stallworth contract offer
Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:18:24 -0800
The Associated Press, citing the Boston Herald, is reporting unrestricted free-agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Eagles) visited the New England Patriots Tuesday, March 6, and was offered a six-year, $32 million deal.
if those are true then rosenhaus wasnt lying because those have been the numbers reported since he went up there
Or maybe that's the "source" for the Herald.
they arent gonna run that off one source with that source being the players agent
if it were pft or kffl or a ghetto outfit like that then maybe...but not the herald
Either way, that report doesn't do anything to add to or lessen the credibility of the reported numbers.
Tennessean:
QuoteEagles receiver Donte Stallworth visited Baptist Sports Park to meet with team officials. ... The team's visit with Stallworth went well, according to Fisher, and the team will remain in communication with him. Stallworth is scheduled to visit the Dolphins on Thursday.
Thanks for stopping by!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2007, 09:51:21 AM
they arent gonna run that off one source with that source being the players agent
if it were pft or kffl or a ghetto outfit like that then maybe...but not the herald
why not? Comcast SportsNet did.
Spadaro has entered a new, previously unkown level of ball licking:
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Attacking Eagles' Integrity Eats At My Insides
March 7, 2007
When you work in sports, you learn very quickly that criticism and discussion of everything you do comes with the territory. You don't survive with the Eagles if you don't completely understand the passion the fans have for this football team, if you can't comprehend the scrutiny and standards to which this franchise is held by the local and national media, you will not survive.
Eagles fever lives 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. It is everywhere -- throughout the expansive media in Philadelphia, around the world right here on PhiladelphiaEagles.com on our Discussion Boards -- and every morning brings a new conversation, a new topic of debate.
All Eagles, all the time. I love that.
Even in that context sometimes things seem to cross the line. It isn't about wins and losses and in which direction the Eagles are taking in free agency. That is fair game. It is a personal attack on the integrity of the men, who runs this organization. Jeff Lurie, Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Tom Heckert are four of the more honorable people I know. They all dedicate their working lives to trying to win a Super Bowl.
Reports surfaced in Monday's Philadelphia Inquirer that Eagles wide receiver Donté Stallworth was in the league's substance-abuse program. The whens and the wheres and the hows were not identified at the time, only the fact that Stallworth had entered the program and there was speculation it was a reason for the relative lack of instant interest he had in free agency.
Since that time, speculation has been rampant about who leaked the information to Inquirer reporter Bob Brookover, who wrote the story. Many fingers have been pointed at the Eagles, despite Brookover's repeated insistence that the Eagles were not the source of the story.
So why are there fingers continuing to be pointing? Why are talk shows whispering the same accusation and directing criticisms of the Eagles and their front office?
The Eagles didn't leak the information. Brookover said so himself. I also know the people here well enough to not believe they would do that.
I write this because I am deeply disturbed that their individual character is being questioned in this way.
It is one thing to criticize Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner and Andy Reid and Tom Heckert over the team's won/loss record or any decision for that matter. That is part of the game. They all and we all know that is just a reflection of the passion people have for this team, and we love and appreciate that passion.
Attacking the integrity and credibility of these men is what feels so wrong.
The organization itself can't comment officially on the story. NFL rules prohibit such a thing. Teams are subject to steep fines for violating the confidentiality rules within the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
I can't help myself, though. Nothing bothers me more than the suggestion that the Eagles break rules or treat players poorly or run anything less than a first-class organization. From the time Lurie and Banner took over the team and announced that they wanted to make the Eagles an enviable sports franchise, they have done more than back up their words with actions. The Eagles have a top-rate practice facility, a world-class stadium that bring top-shelf sports and entertainment options to the city. The football team itself has been knocking on the door of winning a Super Bowl. It is difficult for everyone that the team has yet to bring home the Lombardi Trophy, but it will happen. I know it. I feel it.
More than that, the Eagles have run an exemplary organization. The players treat their status as role models seriously. The team has deep, deep roots within the community. The player-organization relationship has never been better; the Eagles are known around the league as a team that treats its players with class and dignity.
It is a great organization.
So let me say this: The Eagles did not leak the information on Stallworth, which, for your information, is known around the league and was apparently discussed at length at the league's recent NFL combine. The Eagles don't want to hurt Stallworth's reputation or his market value for the simple fact that they may still be interested in bringing him back as part of the organization.
Criticisms of player moves or play calling or salary cap management are all fair. Questioning these peoples integrity isn't right. We all want the same thing -- you and me and Andy Reid and Joe Banner and everybody. We want to win the Super Bowl and we want to do it the right way.
Christ.
holy shtein that is an all-time low even for spadaro
why not? Comcast SportsNet did.
because the boston herald is like 200 years old and it as well as its reporters have a reputation to uphold.......they take their job seriously...comcast sports net is a money making media giant who is the US magazine version of television sports
i know in your world the media is inherently evil and they all make up stuff and lie and print whatever the devil himself drew rosenhaus tells them...but i tend to think most of them are honorable and wouldnt print something simply because a football agent told them to
btw when peopl always ask me why i hate spadaro so much and that hes just an employee of the team but in real life he this sooper dooper guy...i point to articles like the one above...when he gets on his holier than thou soapbox and rips people for crtiticizing the eagles and trys to tell me how to be a proper fan
Miami Herald:
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Despite a $7.9 million salary-cap number -- and an obvious offensive overhaul -- the Dolphins have no intentions of parting ways with wide receiver Chris Chambers. Miami believes Chambers is capable of returning to his Pro Bowl form.
That's good news for the people inhabiting the "Prayer" thread. With Booker and Chambers getting paid, probably not much room for Donte. So it seems as though it may only be the Pats and Birds in the hunt.....
Did Spewdaro seriously write that? That cannot be real.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 08, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
Miami Herald:
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Despite a $7.9 million salary-cap number -- and an obvious offensive overhaul -- the Dolphins have no intentions of parting ways with wide receiver Chris Chambers. Miami believes Chambers is capable of returning to his Pro Bowl form.
That's good news for the people inhabiting the "Prayer" thread. With Booker and Chambers getting paid, probably not much room for Donte. So it seems as though it may only be the Pats and Birds in the hunt.....
Nice...
hopefully whoever signs donte gives him a ton of money so the eagles can get a compensatory pick to replace the pick they lost for trading him
I won't lie... ya boy is hopeful of getting Stallworth back again. It may be a stupid thing to do... but I can't help it.
If no other teams get involved, our chances seem to be going up. Tennessee doesn't seem to be that interested and if the Dolphins are staying put with Chambers and Booker... that could take them out as well.
Sucks that our main competition has to be New England, but it's not like they threw their checkbook at him and hopefully the Eagles can pull their head out of their asses and match that 6y/32m or even sweeten it up a little bit. If Stallworth's legit in wanting to stay here... that should do it.
Again... I know I'm probably just setting myself up here for a fall come Friday, but dammit I want his ass here.
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
Did Spewdaro seriously write that? That cannot be real.
Yeah, can't be real. Imagine a P.R. guy spinning a story for his employers. SHOCKINGIINGKNGKMGKLG!
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2007, 12:57:54 PMAgain... I know I'm probably just setting myself up here for a fall come Friday, but dammit I want his ass here.
Then get your ass to the prayer thread and lay one.
QuoteThe player-organization relationship has never been better; the Eagles are known around the league as a team that treats its players with class and dignity.
I found this quote from Spads to be vomit inducing.
hugh douglas was specifically talking about that quote this morning
he said when youre there and towing the company line they really do treat you like gold...they truly are one of the best organizations in the nfl in that respect...
but he said the minute negotiations start and you dont agree to their numbers or you indicate that you wanna go and see what your market value may be youre an outcast and they turn on you
What employer doesn't treat its employees like that?
Name me a team that treats players who want to go elsewhere like gold.
Douglas is a farging hypocrite. He went to Jacksonville for the money, made it, was a monumental bust then came crawling back to the Eagles like a flag. If he had an ounce of self-respect, he'd shut his face when it comes to the Eagles.
Douglas is a farging hypocrite
actually hes not at all...he 100% admits all the time that he went to jacksonville for the money...period
Name me a team that treats players who want to go elsewhere like gold
lots of teams treat the players exactly the same whether they are in a contract year or not...teams know its part of the business..players are gonna leave they arent alwasy gonna see eye to eye with you on money and they accept that
the eagles blackball people like they did with lewis...or they franchise them thru a good clip of free agency like with trotter so to hurt his chances on the open market...or they bench them for no reason like rod hood...or they go public and try to minimize them like they have with stallworth...
Joe Banner takes offense that the fans don't worship Jefferey like he thinks they should, is there any doubt he's a resentful prick during money negotiations?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2007, 01:25:16 PM
What employer doesn't treat its employees like that?
Name me a team that treats players who want to go elsewhere like gold.
Just because a player expresses the interest to leave or at least see what is available to him elsewhere is no reason to treat the player like dirt, which is what the Eagles do with players who don't tow the company line. No one is saying that you need to treat a player like gold because he's exploring the possibility of leaving. But at the same time, there's no need to act petty about it and start criticizing the player or benching him or giving him less playing time simply because he doesn't agree with the team's assessment of him. Not only is it unprofessional, but it's down right childish and petty. Not a good way of doing business, imo.
the most maddening thing was a few years back when everyone...not just fans but the media ...used to slurp banner for being a "cap guru"...lol like banner was the only guy that really understood the cap and everyone else were idiots...in reality the eagles just had a different philosophy than most teams in how they spent on their cap
since most people now realize this cant the eagles get a cap guy who isnt a flaming prickhead
You guys live in a dreamworld if you think NFL teams act any differently towards players they can't re-sign than the Eagles do.
I don't agree with how they treat them, I'm just saying they're hardly alone in the way they do business.
Hell, NFL football teams not withstanding, there isn't a corporation in the world who would treat a disgruntled employee any differently.
Listening to sports radio here in chicago the other day, i realized fans are the same everywhere. "The Bears are too cheap to re-sign Briggs, how could they let Rivera leave, they're pocketing all this cap money, they don't care about the fans, they're arrogant, they treat this like a business..." Sound familiar?
and quit crying about how you'll never spend a dime to support the team. You know you'll watch the games on television... the NFLs biggest money maker.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
You guys live in a dreamworld if you think NFL teams act any differently towards players they can't re-sign than the Eagles do.
I don't agree with how they treat them, I'm just saying they're hardly alone in the way they do business.
Hell, NFL football teams not withstanding, there isn't a corporation in the world who would treat a disgruntled employee any differently.
This.
And what Lad said. They say the exact same shtein on all sports talk radio. Even in NEW ENGLAND every year they said shtein like this AND they were winning Super Bowls.
PFT.com says the Eagles made an offer of 1 year 1.5 million to Stallworth and that the Niners are now interested in him.
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TITANS MAKE OFFER TO STALLWORTH
Receiver Donte' Stallworth now has three offers, and could end up with more.
Per a league source, Stallworth has received a contract offer from the Titans. He previously has received offers from the Eagles and the Patriots.
Despite claims that the Eagles have not made Stallworth an offer, we're told he was offered a one-year deal, possibly with a value of $1.5 million.
Stallworth currently is visiting the Dolphins. Miami G.M. Randy Mueller drafted Stallworth when Mueller held the same position with the Saints.
And we're hearing that the 49ers are now interested in Stallworth. At this point, it has not yet been decided whether Stallworth will visit San Fran.
We'd previously heard that Stallworth planned to make a decision by Friday. The arrival onto the scene of the Niners could change those plans
1 Year at 1.5 is a farging joke. Insulting bastiches.
1 year, 1.5 million...i refuse to believe that, it can't be true
Quote from: King Cole on March 08, 2007, 02:36:24 PM
PFT.com says the Eagles made an offer of 1 year 1.5 million to Stallworth and that the Niners are now interested in him.
So any player the Eagles make a 1 yeay/1.5M offer too the 49ers will become interested in?
Got it.
Agree. That's insulting.
1.5 for 1 year is insulting. If thats true, I cant believe they would do that.
Almost sickening.
Again, "we're told" doesn't give me any warm and fuzzies that its actually true.
i agree, and i was serious when i said i didn't believe it. i honestly can't believe they would offer him that. something is not right with that report
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2007, 02:45:57 PM
Again, "we're told" doesn't give me any warm and fuzzies that its actually true.
Not much does it seems.
You guys live in a dreamworld if you think NFL teams act any differently towards players they can't re-sign than the Eagles do.
give me numerous instances like i did with the wagles of another franchise doing the same to players that wouldnt resign
Listening to sports radio here in chicago the other day, i realized fans are the same everywhere. "The Bears are too cheap to re-sign Briggs, how could they let Rivera leave, they're pocketing all this cap money, they don't care about the fans, they're arrogant, they treat this like a business..." Sound familiar?
apples and oranges...youre talking about the fans reaction to a team not spending money...that indeed happens everywhere...im talking about how the eagles treat their players who they cant resign
1 year, 1.5 million...i refuse to believe that, it can't be true
normally i would agree but at this point i wouldnt put anything past banner
apples and oranges...youre talking about the fans reaction to a team not spending money...that indeed happens everywhere...im talking about how the eagles treat their players who they cant resign
Lance Briggs was franchised and he's pissed. Fans are getting ticked off. It's the same shtein.
Maybe the report is wrong, and it's really $1M for 1.5 years.
Wait.. that would be worse....
:-D :-D :-D
Lance Briggs was franchised and he's pissed. Fans are getting ticked off. It's the same shtein.
franchising is part of the game...its in the rules and theres nothign wrong with a team using it....franchising someone and then pulling that tag a month or two into free agency so you can kill a persons value is a whole nother thing
franchising is part of the game...its in the rules and theres nothign wrong with a team using it....franchising someone and then pulling that tag a month or two into free agency so you can kill a persons value is a whole nother thing
using the franchise tag when you can't get a deal worked out, knowing full well you're never getting one done is just a different way of killing someone's value.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2007, 03:02:05 PM
Lance Briggs was franchised and he's pissed. Fans are getting ticked off. It's the same shtein.
franchising is part of the game...its in the rules and theres nothign wrong with a team using it....franchising someone and then pulling that tag a month or two into free agency so you can kill a persons value is a whole nother thing
The team can't "pull the tag" if the player signs the franchise tender. Just stop it already.
The team can't "pull the tag" if the player signs the franchise tender
youre brilliant...if someone signs the tender then there is no tag...if the player doesnt sign it then the team can pull it anytime they want
This whole situation has just become laughable. Now that Stallworth isn't getting the crazy offers everyone thought, it should've been a sure lock that he'd be back. But if 1 year 1.5 million is the highest they go then the Linc needs to be burned to the ground.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2007, 03:16:49 PM
The team can't "pull the tag" if the player signs the franchise tender
youre brilliant...if someone signs the tender then there is no tag...if the player doesnt sign it then the team can pull it anytime they want
Well you throw it around like the team has all the power - the player knows they either have to play under the tag or risk waiting until the end of free agency. The team isn't tagging the player to lower their value, because if the player signs the tender, they are stuck with them.
the team does have all the power...they have all the options...its their choice to use the tag at all...and if they do its a win win...its a one year deal which doesnt effect their cap long term...they get multiple first rounders if the player is signed by another team or if the player doesnt sign they can yank it whenever they want if they dont wanna pay it
the eagles slapped the tag on trotter even tho he told them he wouldnt sign it and they had no intention of keeping him...they waited over a month into free agency to release him and they did it for no other reason than to hurt his market value...luckily for trotter dan snyder exists
CBA.
Players don't like that tag? Take it up with Upshaw.
yup
1 year/1.5 mill is a joke, if it's true.
Quote from: King Cole on March 08, 2007, 02:36:24 PM
PFT.com says the Eagles made an offer of 1 year 1.5 million to Stallworth and that the Niners are now interested in him.
Wasn't he already offered like a 6 year deal?
Why would they even throw that out there, to piss him off?
There is some serious misinformation floating around.
Exhibit A. Stallworth receives a 6 year deal for $32M with an annual favorite to win the Super Bowl, with one of two guys I would rather have at quarterback than McNabb. He tells them "Hold on to that.. I'll be back."
Exhibit B. Stallworth visits the Titans, who tell him "Thanks, we'll be in touch." Oops.. nope -- they reportedly offered him a deal.
Exhibit C. Eagles submit a one year deal for $1.5M. No comment from the Rosenhaus camp.
Exhibit D. 49ers have spent a fools ransom on FA's this week, yet have interest in Stallworth. He is flying out to visit with them.
Here's my completely unfounded opinion on what is going on.
NE made a 1 year offer to Stallworth, but Rosenhaus "leaks" a 6 year deal to get other teams to pony up. This would piss off the NE FO, because if he signs there for less than 6 years, it looks like they reneged on the deal, and Rosenhaus will look foolish for not getting Stallworth to take the deal. Result? Stallworth does NOT sign with NE, because both sides would look bad. Tennessee knows the truth, because they are talking with the NFL offices. they, too, offer a one year deal for similar, if not slightly more money. Philly sees what's going on, and says "shtein, we can do a one-year deal." They offer slightly less than the others, thinking they'll get a home town discount. All of the sudden, San Francisco seeing that this cat is only going to get a one year deal somewhere, figures there is minimum cap hit if they can sign him for a year, so they throw their hat into the ring.
Result? Stallworth signs with either Tennessee, because out of all the one year deals being offered, they are paying the most. OR, he re-signs with Philly for the one year deal taking slightly less money, because Stallworth figures he can show off the best with McNabb, who is the best quarterback option he has out of Philly, Tennessee, and San Francisco. NE is completely out of the picture now.
Quote from: troyhstewart on March 08, 2007, 09:12:56 PM
1 year/1.5 mill is a joke, if it's true.
It's a $365,000 raise over what he made in 2006.
I wish someone would "insult" me with that kind of bump.
:'(
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2007, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: troyhstewart on March 08, 2007, 09:12:56 PM
1 year/1.5 mill is a joke, if it's true.
It's a $365,000 raise over what he made in 2006.
I wish someone would "insult" me with that kind of bump.
:'(
Forget the bump, I'd take the $365,000. 8)
OR, he re-signs with Philly for the one year deal taking slightly less money, because Stallworth figures he can show off the best with McNabb, who is the best quarterback option he has out of Philly, Tennessee, and San Francisco. NE is completely out of the picture now.
haha why is new england out of the picture...because you know theres no way in hell hes signing a 1 year deal with the eagles over new england?
hes either signing with the one team that offers a monster deal a deal that easily beats all others...or hes signing with new england
I said it because I don't believe it was a 6 year deal. It was Rosenhaus leaking it was. If it was truly a 6 year deal, and he's still looking and only seeing one year deals out there, he's a fool for not grabbing it this second, and NE is a foiol for keeping it on the table. I think once he told them to hold while he continues looking, they take the large offer back.
Like I said, all of my completely unfounded thoughts. It's nothing more than that.
Bless you Father for your unfounded thoughts. It keeps the dim light of hope lit.
It's all bullcrap. 1.5 mil??? It's hard to believe anything reported after reading that.
Even if he was suspended for four games, he's worth more than 1.5 mil.
I'm sorry... I flat out refuse to believe the Eagles offered Stallworth a 1 year $1.5 million deal. NO ONE in that position could be THAT stupid.
Wanna bet?
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 09, 2007, 12:52:15 AM
I'm sorry... I flat out refuse to believe the Eagles offered Stallworth a 1 year $1.5 million deal. NO ONE in that position could be THAT stupid.
According to Brookover in this morning's philly.com---
1. The Eagles have not offered a 1 year contract to Stallworth--they haven't spoken to Rosenhaus since Tuesday.
2. They're looking at Bethel Johnson as a 4th/5th-WR type, who can return kicks--although it was his 14 yard punt return in SB XXXIX that set up the Pats final points. So those of you who thought the Eagles would try to blow smoke up our butts and hail him as a Stallworth replacement can relax--they're not that stupid.
According to Les Bowen, Andy Reid is very much involved in what is going on--
" NFL scuttlebutt holds that when Curtis went home to Salt Lake City after leaving Detroit without a contract, he got a call from Eagles coach Andy Reid, who is on a leave of absence, dealing with the aftermath of the arrests of his two older sons. Reid supposedly urged Curtis to consider the Eagles."
Getting back to Stallworth, and this BS that was on PFT, there are some questions--
1. Haven't we all learned how Rosenhaus works? If three teams all offer 1 year contracts, and not the value HE envisioned for his client, he's going to go on a PR campaign. He did it with Hugh Douglas--remember all the hard feelings back then? And this rumor that SF is going to get involved--if they were going to get involved, they wouldn't have signed Ashlie Lelie--especially if it meant bringing Stallworth home, since he's from Sacramento.
2. Why didn't he sign a purported 6 year deal with NE if they offered it back on Monday or Tuesday?
3. Why was the Eagles supposed (and false, as it turns out) offer the only one that was published?
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 09, 2007, 03:55:28 AM
" NFL scuttlebutt holds that when Curtis went home to Salt Lake City after leaving Detroit without a contract, he got a call from Eagles coach Andy Reid, who is on a leave of absence, dealing with the aftermath of the arrests of his two older sons. Reid supposedly urged Curtis to consider the Eagles."
Andy loves him sum Mormons.
QuoteEagles | Stallworth might go for one-year deal
Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:16:07 -0800
Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports agent Drew Rosenhaus and unrestricted free-agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Eagles) might decide to go for a one-year deal and then attack free agency again next year. There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in the former Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver at the $10 million-to-$15 million guaranteed-money level that Rosenhaus apparently envisioned.
QuoteEagles | Team not source of leak
Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:22:50 -0800
John Nalbone, of the Trenton Times, citing The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles front office was not the source of the leak that exposed WR Donte' Stallworth's participation in the league's substance-abuse program.
but Rhea knows they leaked it!
Quote from: SunMo on March 09, 2007, 08:38:29 AM
but Rhea knows they leaked it!
I actually forgot she existed, its been so long since i've listened to that show. Damn you for reminding me. :flipoff
Are we really supposed to find out today?
17 minutes 58 seconds...youre slippin pg
17 minutes 58 seconds...youre slippin pg
I'm workin dook.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 09, 2007, 08:58:49 AM
Are we really supposed to find out today?
Yep... supposedly today is the day that this thread turns to shtein.
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I'd hit it. :poison
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 09, 2007, 09:32:03 AM
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I'd hit it. :poison
me too....with a hockey stick.
But it looks like someone beat me to it.
i think it would be great to just sit down have a beer with her and talk some birds
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 09, 2007, 09:32:03 AM
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I'd hit it. :poison
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
i think it would be great to just sit down have a beer with her and talk some birds
:-D that conversation would last no longer than the beer. she knows nothing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
i think it would be great to just sit down have a beer with her and talk some play with my bird
IGY: Hey, Rhea... can I buy you a beer?
Rhea: No - Double Crown & Coke & make it snappy, bith.
IGY: Marry me.
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2007, 09:39:48 AM
:-D that conversation would last no longer than the beer. she knows nothing.
you should probably start a petition at the next gender meeting to get her kicked out
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 09, 2007, 09:32:03 AM
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I'd hit it. :poison
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How'd you get a picture of Sarge on Dress-Up Day"?
Uh oh... it's on like Flin Flon.
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POSTED 10:21 a.m. EST, March 9, 2007
WILL STALLWORTH TO GET A "PROVE IT" CONTRACT?
With questions swirling regarding both the status of receiver Donte' Stallworth in the NFL substance abuse program and his physical durability, his next contract could be, in essence, a one-year deal with a team option on the remainder.
The reason? It's now harder for teams to recover bonus money when a player is suspended. So teams will be less inclined to pay the money until they are confident that the player won't be a problem.
Usually, these one-year "prove it" deals are used for players signed after recovering from a significant injury. Last year, the Saints gave quarterback Drew Brees a contract with a low signing bonus paid in 2006 and a high option bonus due in 2007. Likewise, the Broncos did a similar deal with receiver Javon Walker. Both players were successful, and in both cases the teams picked up the option.
With teams facing greater restrictions on the recovery of bonus money, we expect that this device will be used more frequently with players who face other potential impediments to their availability.
But why would players want to agree to such contracts? Why not just sign a one-year deal and then hit the market again, when the salary cap is higher -- and when your services might be in greater demand?
If Brees or Walker had been ineffective in '06, they would have been out on their ears. So why shouldn't they have put themselves in position to cash in even bigger if they had exceeded expectations?
Though we suspect that teams don't want the distraction that comes with having, for example, a starting quarterback who walks in the door as a lame duck, the fact that the team has the ability to say "thanks, but no thanks" before paying him big money in 12 months makes him a potential lame duck, anyway.
The agents might want to be able to trumpet the value of long-term deals to the media and recruits, and the players might be swayed by the lure of the big money in the futrue years, even if they never see it. Still, a guy like Drew Brees would have a lot more money in his pocket right now if he had insisted on a one-year contract instead of a "prove it" deal that put all of the leverage in the hands of the team.
This makes a lot of sense regarding the Eagles supposedly offering a one year deal, although the money previously stated (1.5 Million) would have to be inaccurate. I am starting to wonder if teams already know that Stallworth will be suspended at some point next season. If you factor in that possibility, and add the chance for a hammy flareup, you could have Stallworth for less than half the season.....
i hate how rosenhaus clients always stir up drama
Quote from: Father Demon on March 09, 2007, 09:55:38 AM
How'd you get a picture of Sarge on Dress-Up Day"?
I prefer to call it Wednesday.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 09, 2007, 10:31:27 AM
i hate how rosenhaus clients always stir up drama
I hate how Rosenhaus always stirs up drama. Fixed.
Miami Herald:
QuoteThe move that might finally bring much-needed improvement to the offense could come if Miami, as expected, offers a contract to free agent receiver Donte' Stallworth.
Stallworth has spent the past two evenings with Dolphins brass, and agent Drew Rosenhaus said he expects a contract offer from the Dolphins to be forthcoming.
The Eagles, Titans and Patriots have offers on the table, according to Rosenhaus, and Stallworth is interested in making a decision after his visit with Miami.
Stallworth, who owns a house locally, would like to play for the Dolphins, and the Dolphins would like to have him at the right price.
Despite this, Rosenhaus wasn't promising a home-field advantage for the Dolphins, suggesting the San Francisco 49ers might also join the field of teams bidding for his client.
every new blurb says Stallworth wants to play for a different team.
He wants to play with the Eagles because he loves them, he wants to play with the Pats because he loves them, he wants to play with the Dolphins because he has a house there.
how the farg did Donte Stallworth become the free agency front page news.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/beermonkey68/rhea.jpg)
Quotehow the farg did Donte Stallworth become the free agency front page news.
Two Words: "Next Question"
Holy shtein, BM.
:-D
Waiting... waiting... waiting......
Quote from: Father Demon on March 09, 2007, 03:24:13 PM
Waiting... waiting... waiting......
Nothing's going to happen today, dook.
He said it would be today. So it will be today because athletes and their agents always tell the troof.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2007, 03:40:02 PM
He said it would be today. So it will be today because athletes and their agents always tell the troof.
"I always tell the truth...even when I lie". Tony Montana
I don't think you needed to actually name the speaker of that quote for anyone here to know who said it. And if anyone here didn't know that, then they should be beaten about the head and throat.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2007, 03:57:47 PM
I don't think you needed to actually name the speaker of that quote for anyone here to know who said it. And if anyone here didn't know that, then they should be beaten about the head and throat.
You watch too much hockey.
Quote from: dis12 on March 09, 2007, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2007, 03:40:02 PM
He said it would be today. So it will be today because athletes and their agents always tell the troof.
"I always tell the truth...even when I lie". Tony Montana and, every sports agent and car salesman and mass murderer and politician.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 09, 2007, 05:05:31 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2007, 03:57:47 PM
I don't think you needed to actually name the speaker of that quote for anyone here to know who said it. And if anyone here didn't know that, then they should be beaten about the head and throat.
You watch too much hockey.
Ha! I just saw that on ESPN when I got home from work. Wow.
QuoteNO DEAL YET FOR STALLWORTH
Although receiver Donte' Stallworth was expected to have a new team by the end of the work week, negotiations between Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, and multiple teams did not result in a Friday agreement.
Stallworth, we're told, has been talking with four teams -- the Eagles, Titans, Dolphins, and Patriots. Stallworth recently spoke directly with Philly coach Andy Reid, who is currently on a leave of absence.
Stallworth previously received offers from the Eagles, Patriots, and Titans. The Miami Herald confirms that he has gotten an offer from the Dolphins, and that the Fins are still in the mix.
The 49ers, who popped onto the scene a couple of days ago, are no longer regarded as a serious contender for Stallworth's services.
Miami Herald:
QuoteThe Dolphins have joined the list of teams with a contract offer on the table for unrestricted free agent wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, although none of those offers have been compelling enough for him to accept.
Agent Drew Rosenhaus and the Dolphins exchanged offers throughout the afternoon Friday without coming to an agreement. The sides are expected to continue discussions throughout the weekend.
The Eagles have reportedly sweetened the $1.5m 1-year deal with the promise that they'll re-sign Buckhalter to be Stallworth's blunt connection.
Where is the Kevin Curtis is a Mormon thread?
The NFL Network reports free agent Donte' Stallworth and the Dolphins are expected to continue contract negotiations through the weekend.
Stallworth was made an unspecified offer by Miami late last week. Clearly looking to upgrade from Marty Booker, the 'Fins may have emerged as Stallworth's top choice among the Patriots, Eagles, and Titans. (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=1043&line=90741&spln=1)
Eagles... get a farging deal done already.
The weekend thing was mentioned by the Miami Herald.
That last sentence is a Rotoworld opinion that I don't agree with...
just heard micheal smith on espnnews right now and some reader send in an email asking what are the chances eagle re sign stallworth?
smith says eagles have a slim chance or re signing him and how they had a chance during the season and even afterwards but have not shown enough interest in him.
I have ESPNEWS on and there's been nothing about the NFL in the last 30 minutes...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 10, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
I have ESPNEWS on and there's been nothing about the NFL in the last 30 minutes...
thats weird...it was on like the last half hr b4 i posted. they talked about a lot...from droughs, moss, bills, and then ended with a reader email about stallworth.
Donte signs w NE. farg. farg. farg. farg farg.
Not yet official but almost. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615)
The Eagles were being petty. That's farging chump change for a #1 receiver.
Communicable diseases all around.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
Not yet official but almost. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615)
The Eagles were being petty. That's farging chump change for a #1 receiver.
Communicable diseases all around.
I wanted stallworth back. And while he may have been the #1 guy here, he is not what I would call a "#1 reciever"
Still the brass better be right with the WR guesses they are making
Damn, that sucks. He might even get 50 receptions for them.
Spew-riffic!
Quote12 million up front is why the Eagles couldn't sign Stallworth. You knew that going in. I told you a million times but I know it hurts. I would have loved to have the kid back. Curtis .. longshot to me, too. I don't know how the Eagles can do that with the cap situation. We'll see how it goes here.
Gimme a farging break. :-D
farging cap situation? the farging GM said they could sign him, they just never wanted to.
farging bullshtein
I'm not an expert in how the cap works but I can't believe Stallworth's contract would have placed them in any sort of jeopardy in that regard.
Depressing to say the least.
the Patriots don't make the Super Bowl two years in a row, and they go balls out to make sure they are the undisputed favorite going into the season. the Eagles make one in 25 years and that somehow validates their methods...awesome.
They could have easily re-signed him and still had space leftover. A majority of the remaining cap space for this season is going to go unused. iceholes.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 09:31:34 AM
I wanted stallworth back. And while he may have been the #1 guy here, he is not what I would call a "#1 reciever"
Still the brass better be right with the WR guesses they are making
Why? It's not like fans like you hold them accountable.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 09:31:34 AM
I wanted stallworth back. And while he may have been the #1 guy here, he is not what I would call a "#1 reciever"
Still the brass better be right with the WR guesses they are making
Why? It's not like fans like you hold them accountable.
What does that mean exactly?
How would a fan hold them accountable?
Withold spending?
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:11:05 AM
What does that mean exactly?
How would a fan hold them accountable?
A good start would be to finally admit they're pieces of shtein, instead of saying weak bull like, "they better be right". They're not right. They're trying to maximize their long-term profit, not trying to win the Super Bowl. Get a clue. Once you've done that, we can talk about the next steps towards holding them accountable... but something tells me you'll never get step 1.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:11:05 AM
What does that mean exactly?
How would a fan hold them accountable?
A good start would be to finally admit they're pieces of shtein, instead of saying weak bull like, "they better be right". They're not right. They're trying to maximize their long-term profit, not trying to win the Super Bowl. Get a clue. Once you've done that, we can talk about the next steps towards holding them accountable... but something tells me you'll never get step 1.
Answer my question.
If you truly beleive that...why do you follow them? If you don't beleive their goal is to win a championship...then you would "know" that they never will...so really, you are just in it to bitch at it. Is that holding them accountable?
You can either answer my question...or just wait a page or two goes by in this thread and ignore it all together.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 11, 2007, 10:13:56 AM
Withold spending?
That's probably the only way to truly do it. But no one here actually does that.
Not no one, dook.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:24:00 AM
Answer my question.
If you truly beleive that...why do you follow them? If you don't beleive their goal is to win a championship...then you would "know" that they never will...so really, you are just in it to bitch at it. Is that holding them accountable?
You can either answer my question...or just wait a page or two goes by in this thread and ignore it all together.
Yeah... because I'm really the type to dodge inane questions out of "fear"...
I follow the Eagles because I'm from the area, because I learned the sport of football by watching the likes of Randall Cunningham and Keith Byars and Reggie White, and because any attempts to disavow NFL football altogether or find a new team would be completely futile. I tried and tried to believe that the team was simply avoiding the huge dollar splurges to avoid mortgaging the future, in hopes of winning multiple Super Bowls. The one off-season they truly tried to make a difference in free agency, they almost made it... but ended up getting burned. So, realizing they can sell out the Linc with a "competitive" product year after year, they've now chosen to avoid any such risks by only signing their home-bred "high-character" guys to semi-lucrative long-term deals and avoiding the fray of free agency. This would work to win them a Super Bowl if they didn't also draft conservatively, but they do. They've consistently avoided the top-end talent to draft unspectacular athletes, whether it be because the guy has above-average intelligence, or because he's a Mormon, or because he's the whitest black man in the draft.
I follow them because being an Eagles fan is in my blood. I follow them because this ownership and this front office will someday pass, and there will be new chances for success. I follow them because if a couple of things fall the right way, there is still that slim shred of hope year after year.
I don't, however, follow them because the current decision makers at the NovaCare Complex are doing everything in their power to bring a Lombardi Trophy home. That much is apparent.
You still did not answer the question Mr Rosenhaus. How does a fan tangibly hold them accountable? What are you doing to hold them accountable?
banner and reid can eat froot loops from my icehole for breakfast
so again im left to wonder...what was the point of getting stallworth in the first place? i mean they new from then prolly that they would not resign him and even claimed that even without him they were fine at WR...yet still traded a pick away?
it really confuses me when a team that loves to pass so much constantly refuses to provide its QB with some star talent. we did it once in TO and we know they are never going to do it again. all that would be fine if we realized we should run more often but we do not do that either.
whatever the offense should be fine even as is...not anything explosive but like they played without stallworth in...servicable. it would be nice if they tried to improve the D now. the D has a lot more holes to plug in.
I follow them because I like the color green, and because they are named after a big bad ass raptor. That shtein is dope.
Not gonna get pissy about Stallworth being let go. It's more of the same from these jokers, and we all knew it was gonna happen. The fourth round pick would've very likely been wasted anyway, so I'm not even gonna cry about that.
I'm really rooting for Reggie Brown to step up big now...it's my only hope. I don't think he can get it done in the number one role, but there ain't much else to hope on, so there it is.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
You still did not answer the question Mr Rosenhaus. How does a fan tangibly hold them accountable?
FF may not have said what HE is going to do, but I already answered this question.
hank baskett...starting wr :boom
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
How does a fan tangibly hold them accountable? What are you doing to hold them accountable?
It's all about the Benjamins. No jerseys. No tickets purchased from the ticket office or ticket agencies. Etc.
I'll do what I can without completely pulling my support from the team as a whole, because as I said, that is completely impossible for me.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
How does a fan tangibly hold them accountable? What are you doing to hold them accountable?
It's all about the Benjamins. No jerseys. No tickets purchased from the ticket office or ticket agencies. Etc.
I'll do what I can without completely pulling my support from the team as a whole, because as I said, that is completely impossible for me.
Well ok then. You keep telling people to do what you will not do yourself. That's on the road to credibilty.
I was waiting for this:
Spadaro's take (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=66066)
(Warning: More mentions for Bill Sampy and Michael Gasperson contained within)
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 11:02:29 AM
Well ok then. You keep telling people to do what you will not do yourself. That's on the road to credibilty.
Ha! You're so full of shtein, it's ridiculous. I'll do what I can. It's a lot better than being an insufferable homer and always looking for the pot of gold at the end of the shtein rainbow. Moron.
I said all along that if the money for Stallworth was outrageous then I could see them begging off and going elsewhere.
Not only wasn't the money outrageous, it was downright reasonable considering the financial climate in the NFL.
The Eagles chose to go cheap. Again. The Patriots, who seem intent on crowding their trophy case even further, chose not to.
GOLD STANDARD.
spew on brown, baskett, g-lew, avant:
QuoteAs a group, it's a good foursome.
:-D
QuoteClearly, the biggest question Eagles fans have regards wide receiver. Stallworth brought an explosiveness and defense-stretching element to the offense. His numbers weren't all that impressive, honestly, with 38 catches and five touchdowns last season. His hamstring injury cost him four games and will probably always be a source of concern for teams.
Oh, dear God... :-D
Wide Receiver wouldn't be a question mark if they had simply re-signed Donte.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 11:03:20 AM
I was waiting for this:
Spadaro's take (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=66066)
(Warning: More mentions for Bill Sampy and Michael Gasperson contained within)
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 11:02:29 AM
Well ok then. You keep telling people to do what you will not do yourself. That's on the road to credibilty.
Ha! You're so full of shtein, it's ridiculous. I'll do what I can. It's a lot better than being an insufferable homer and always looking for the pot of gold at the end of the shtein rainbow. Moron.
Because one person labeled me a homer, it must be true.
I'm full of shtein, sure. Are you sure you don't have me confused with someone your're supposed to be monitoring over at the eagles site?
Quote from: hunt on March 11, 2007, 11:06:41 AM
spew on brown, baskett, g-lew, avant:
QuoteAs a group, it's a good foursome.
:-D
Caddyshack?
farg this front office. Yay Bill sampy
An injury to Reggie Brown and we're looking at GLew, Baskett, and Avant?
Awful.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:07:46 AM
QuoteClearly, the biggest question Eagles fans have regards wide receiver. Stallworth brought an explosiveness and defense-stretching element to the offense. His numbers weren't all that impressive, honestly, with 38 catches and five touchdowns last season. His hamstring injury cost him four games and will probably always be a source of concern for teams.
Oh, dear God... :-D
Wide Receiver wouldn't be a question mark if they had simply re-signed Donte.
Donte's hamstring will now only concern the Eagles when it's completely healthy as they play the Patriots this year, and they try to have Considine cover his side in a two-deep zone.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2007, 09:54:42 AM
the Patriots don't make the Super Bowl two years in a row, and they go balls out to make sure they are the undisputed favorite going into the season. the Eagles make one in 25 years and that somehow validates their methods...awesome.
What he said.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:07:46 AM
QuoteClearly, the biggest question Eagles fans have regards wide receiver. Stallworth brought an explosiveness and defense-stretching element to the offense. His numbers weren't all that impressive, honestly, with 38 catches and five touchdowns last season. His hamstring injury cost him four games and will probably always be a source of concern for teams.
Oh, dear God... :-D
Wide Receiver wouldn't be a question mark if they had simply re-signed Donte.
Donte's hamstring will now only concern the Eagles when it's completely healthy as they play the Patriots this year, and they try to have Mike Doss cover his side in a two-deep zone.
I'm an infernal optimist.
Doss at the line of scrimmage is good stuff. Doss in coverage would make us wish for Considine.
Doss in coverage would make Baby Jesus weep.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:31:06 AM
Doss in coverage would make Baby Jesus weep.
He's already weeping, because he wanted to go to Chick-Fil-A for breakfast today, but they were closed.
Ha.
They had a chick-fil-a stand at the game yesterday. I actually thought of you and then punched myself in the balls for doing so.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:39:59 AM
I actually thought of you
It could be worse. I know you think about Phreak every time you hear the drink name, "Alabama Slammer".
LOL - when Phreak wakes up and reads that Donte's going to the Pats, he's gonna need a pitcher of them.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:39:59 AM
I actually thought of you
It could be worse. I know you think about Phreak every time you hear the drink name, "Alabama Slammer".
I think of Beermonkey. Shoot me.
QuoteThe Eagles don't have that kind of cap room, as far as I can see. It all depends on how you structure the bonus. Can't take a big hit this year. No room.
He's starting to annoy even me with this shtein.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 11:03:20 AM
I was waiting for this:
Spadaro's take (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=66066)
(Warning: More mentions for Bill Sampy and Michael Gasperson contained within)
Quote from: Wingspan on March 11, 2007, 11:02:29 AM
Well ok then. You keep telling people to do what you will not do yourself. That's on the road to credibilty.
Ha! You're so full of shtein, it's ridiculous. I'll do what I can. It's a lot better than being an insufferable homer and always looking for the pot of gold at the end of the shtein rainbow. Moron.
This right here infuriates me:
QuoteMeanwhile, the Eagles have a very promising quartet working hard in the off-season -- Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant. They signed Bethel Johnson as a player who will compete for a roster spot. They have Jeremy Bloom in the fold, but he is primarily a return man and asking him to become an NFL-ready receiver after three years of no games seems to be asking a lot. A couple of the kids, Bill Sampy, Michael Gasperson, they have a chance.
Anyone want to bet me that we'll see good ol' #87 back by training camp and be told that achilles heal after two years? Bet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2007, 11:48:48 AM
Anyone want to bet me that we'll see good ol' #87 back by training camp and be told that achilles heal after two years? Bet.
I called that a while ago. Try to catch up.
He knows that shtein infuriates the fans so why bother poking the proverbial angry bear with a stick?
farging stupid.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 11:45:32 AM
LOL - when Phreak wakes up and reads that Donte's going to the Pats, he's gonna need a pitcher of them.
Get this...I was at the gym and they had Inside the Eagles on 6ABC. Stallworth was the guy who they were talking to (this was obviously taped awhile ago). At the exact same time on the TV next to it SportsCenter was on and they announced the Pats signed him.
Reeeeeegoddamndiculous.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2007, 11:48:48 AM
Anyone want to bet me that we'll see good ol' #87 back by training camp and be told that achilles heal after two years? Bet.
I called that a while ago. Try to catch up.
I can't catch up, the lights got in my eyes.
If you truly beleive that...why do you follow them? If you don't beleive their goal is to win a championship...then you would "know" that they never will...so really, you are just in it to bitch at it. Is that holding them accountable?
its pretty sad that you think the eagles are lurie banner and reid
half the eagle receivers are undrafted free agents
This organization is infuriating to no end. Death to Lurie/Banner/Reid/Heckert.
HaHAhaha!
Phreak...
The first time I met you at a tailgate, we had a discussion about Pinkston and those were your exact words when we were talking about him.
Pyrite standard
Ha! I remember that.
I'll never forgive that piece of shtein for his 2003 NFCCG. Ricky Manning Jr. Lost focus. Todd PInkston. Jesus Christ!!
So do we get Simoneau back?
:paranoid
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2007, 11:59:34 AM
Pyrite standard
Too kind. This doesn't even
look like gold anymore.
Sure, the off-season isn't over yet... but they already failed at the WR position. They gave Donte' a 1-year tryout at the cost of a 4th round pick, and he responded by making big play after big play. Yes, he battled a hamstring problem, but he still made it look like the Eagles had finally found a winner at WR. On top of that, his attitude about playing in Philly and his work ethic were top-notch.
The Eagles, a passing team, have already failed to secure an adequate receiving corps. I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't trade for a receiver better than Stallworth... and if they do, they've wasted a draft pick where they could have just retained Stallworth at less than market value, which is what he was paid.
According to N.C. the Eagles felt like Stallworth wasn't worth the big money he signed for so they let him go.
Great. Now I want to punch something.
:boom
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2007, 11:57:06 AM
If you truly beleive that...why do you follow them? If you don't beleive their goal is to win a championship...then you would "know" that they never will...so really, you are just in it to bitch at it. Is that holding them accountable?
its pretty sad that you think the eagles are lurie banner and reid
It's pretty sad that you think you know what I think.
No, wait...not sad, it's presumptuous and stupid.
FF... they'll likely get a compensatory draft pick for Stallworth next year. Probably not a fourth - likely a fifth, but still, they'll get one.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:05:45 PM
FF... they'll likely get a compensatory draft pick for Stallworth next year. Probably not a fourth - likely a fifth, but still, they'll get one.
Sweet. I can't wait to see that player get in the mix and compete.
A starting wide receiver is nothing compared to the prospect of getting a 4th or 5th round draft pick as compensation.
Hollaz.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:05:45 PM
FF... they'll likely get a compensatory draft pick for Stallworth next year. Probably not a fourth - likely a fifth, but still, they'll get one.
Sweet. I can't wait to see that player get in the mix and compete.
Hopefully it will be a high-motor guy with a good bubble.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:08:01 PM
A starting wide receiver is nothing compared to the prospect of getting a 4th or 5th round draft pick as compensation.
Hollaz.
The Eagles' 5th rounders have been better than their 1st rounders, tho. WAR TRENT COLE.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:08:01 PM
A starting wide receiver is nothing compared to the prospect of getting a 4th or 5th round draft pick as compensation.
Hollaz.
The Eagles' 5th rounders have been better than their 1st rounders, tho. WAR TRENT COLE.
Don't forget Scott Young!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
According to N.C. the Eagles felt like Stallworth wasn't worth the big money he signed for so they let him go.
Great. Now I want to punch something.
:boom
Pats > Eagles
Pats not only signed Welker, Stallworth, Brady, and Thomas, they also kept their core intact and have two 1st rounders in the upcoming draft.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:08:01 PM
A starting wide receiver is nothing compared to the prospect of getting a 4th or 5th round draft pick as compensation.
Hollaz.
The Eagles' 5th rounders have been better than their 1st rounders, tho. WAR TRENT COLE.
Don't forget Scott Young!
rjs' scrotum just exploded. And not in the good way.
Pats not only signed Welker, Stallworth, Brady, and Thomas, they also kept their core intact and have two 1st rounders in the upcoming draft.
thats a great point...i was thinking about this the other day...how the same team that went out and signed the #1 FA on the market also has two number ones to go along with it...they really know what they are doing...now on top of that they bagged the best FA wr....its not fair
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 12:14:58 PM
rjs' scrotum just exploded. And not in the good way.
so, not in MDS' mouth?
wow....did you see the structure of this contract from New England?
2007 = $3.6M ($700K base + $1.6M roster bonus + $300K workout bonus + $1M signing bonus)
Roster bonus of $6M due by 2/25/08
If that is paid, there's another roster bonus of $2M by 3/1/08, a second roster bonus of $1.6M based on playing time, a base of $1M and a $400K workout bonus. $11M cap hit for 2008 and 2 yrs, $14.6M so far.
Option bonus of $2M due by 2/25/09
Bonuses + salary in 2009 = $5M......that's 3 yrs, $19.6M so far
2010, 2011 and 2012 = $500K workout bonuses and bases of $4M every year
6 yrs, $33.1M
smart
if he produces (and plays) for them he gets paid if he doesnt he gets cut
looks a lot like TO's deal here
I didn't think I could be any more pissed off. I was wrong.
Looks like he got very little in "gauranteed" money. 3.6 mil for the first year and that's it. Farging cheap ass front office .
PFT says there's also four $100K incentives he could reach, so it could go all the way up to a whopping $4M in 2007! That's way out of the Eagles' price range!
So instead of having $10 million of unused space we would have had $6 million.
What did the bird say when it flew over the Novacare complex?
Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap
i prefer to call them stupid rather than cheap...i really dont believe they are afraid to spend money i just think they are morons on where they spend it
QuotePOSTED 12:24 p.m. EDT, March 11, 2007
STALLWORTH TO PATS, BUT NOT FOR $12 MILLION GUARANTEED
Michael Smith of ESPN.com reports that receiver Donte' Stallworth has agreed to terms with the Patriots. But, contrary to the report, the deal does not include $12 million in guaranteed money. And it is not a straight six-year deal.
Instead, a league source tells us that it's a one-year deal with an option for a second year, and then an option for four more years.
In year one, Stallworth gets $1 million to sign, a workout bonus of $300,000, a base salary of $700,000, and a $1.6 million roster bonus payable if he makes the 53-man roster at the start of the reason.
Stallworth also can earn up to $400,000 in incentives. He'll get $100,000 if he catches 70 passes, another $100,000 if he catches 75 passes, another $100,000 if he catches 80 passes, and $100,000 if he is on the Pro Bowl team.
A $6 million option bonus is due shortly before the start of the 2008 league year, but after the deadline for designating franchise players. This requires the team to either pick up the option, or to allow Stallworth to hit the market unfettered by the franchise tag.
In 2008, there's also a $2 million roster bonus due on the first day of the league year, a $400,000 workout bonus, a $1 million base salary, and a $1.6 million roster bonus payable if he makes the season-opening 53-man roster.
In 2009, there's a $2 million option bonus, payable after the franchise tag deadline but before the start of the league year. If the option is exercised, the deal runs through 2012.
Also in 2009, Stallworth will receive a $400,000 workout bonus, a $1 million base salary, and a $1.6 million roster bonus based on making the season-opening 53-man roster.
In 2010 through 2012, the deal has the same terms in each year: $500,000 workout bonus and $4 million salary.
In all, it's a one-year $3.6 million deal that can be worth up to $4 million, or a two-year, $14.6 million deal that can be worth as much as $15 million, or a three-year, $19.6 million deal that can be worth as much as $20 million.
The Pats can then add on additional years at $4.5 million each, with a maximum contract value of $33.5 million.
But the only truly guaranteed money is $1 million. Not $12 million.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2007, 12:37:33 PM
I didn't think I could be any more pissed off. I was wrong.
Agreed.
And the Eagles couldn't put together a deal like that :boom
Spadaro changed his spin from "the Eagles couldn't pay him" to "Donte' didn't want to stay". Whatever....
He also offered up this pearl of wisdom...
QuoteHow many times do I have to explain this ... the Eagles have a great young core signed for many, many years. By signing these young players, they have secured the talents for years. The Eagles don't need to do out and overspend for FA talent. You know the philosophy. Stop your whining. Such a bunch of give-up fans.
That literally made my icehole bleed.
He's on his own for the rest of the day for posting that shtein. :-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2007, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
According to N.C. the Eagles felt like Stallworth wasn't worth the big money he signed for so they let him go.
Great. Now I want to punch something.
:boom
Pats > Eagles
Pats not only signed Welker, Stallworth, Brady, and Thomas, they also kept their core intact and have two 1st rounders in the upcoming draft.
PATS = REAL GOLD STANDARD IN NFL!
EAGLES = SPENCER GIFTS 14k GOLD PLATED STANDARD IN NFL
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
He also offered up this pearl of wisdom...
QuoteHow many times do I have to explain this ... the Eagles have a great young core signed for many, many years. By signing these young players, they have secured the talents for years. The Eagles don't need to do out and overspend for FA talent. You know the philosophy. Stop your whining. Such a bunch of give-up fans.
That literally made my icehole bleed.
He's on his own for the rest of the day for posting that shtein. :-D
so couldn't stallworth be a part of that young core?
whats infuriating is that we are wasting mcnabbs's career with not providing him with the weapons he needs and then not running the ball to compensate for the fact we never surround him with good talent.
still....and i said this b4....i could sort of forgive the FO if they actually improve the D. at this point im more worried about our lack of a pass rush, our inability to stop the running game, and our lack of LBs.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 11, 2007, 10:41:20 AM
Not gonna get pissy about Stallworth being let go. It's more of the same from these jokers, and we all knew it was gonna happen.
Quote from: Samuel L. JacksonCorrect-a-mundo
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
He also offered up this pearl of wisdom...
QuoteHow many times do I have to explain this ... the Eagles have a great young core signed for many, many years. By signing these young players, they have secured the talents for years. The Eagles don't need to do out and overspend for FA talent. You know the philosophy. Stop your whining. Such a bunch of give-up fans.
Great. So they keep signing young players that suck compared to the FA talent that's out there. Genius. Really. The point he's ignoring is that the cap room is there to do both (see: New England Patriots) yet they don't. It's lunacy.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 11, 2007, 01:33:58 PM
i could sort of forgive the FO if they actually improve the D.
Never happen...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2007, 01:16:14 PM
Spadaro changed his spin from "the Eagles couldn't pay him" to "Donte' didn't want to stay". Whatever....
My followup question to Spadaro would be "So what's wrong with the Eagles that caused him to not want to stay?"
Looking at the numbers in the deal, it's kind of obvious that the Eagles had absolutly no intentions of getting Stallworth back. The hamstring problems were bad enough, then you have the drug violation on top of that, and I'd say Reid said no way.
Not that I wouldn't want him for one year when the alternative is Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant. Thats just terrible. Same as Thrash and Pinkston and whoever.
Still, I'm not going to crucify the front office for not signing Stallworth. There are too many questions with his ability to play for a full season. It's not like you can't expect him to have hamstring problems, and who knows about a possible suspension? He might play 16 games, and he might play eight games.
If anything, I'll say that Ried sucks major ass at drafting a reciever. Why hasn't this orginization been able to draft anyone who is a decent compliment to D-mac?? It seems he's so damn full of himself that he thinks the system is so great it takes average recievers and makes them pro-bowlers. I just don't understand.
The only thing now that would make me happy this offseason is if they could draft a burner like Ted Ginn Jr. or make a blockbuster deal to move up and draft and get Calvin Johnson.
It just sucks major ass that at this point we're looking at having to go through another season of no major threat at reciever. It's a curse. First TO and now Stallworth with his injuries and violations.
Quote from: shorebird on March 11, 2007, 02:04:41 PM
Looking at the numbers in the deal, it's kind of obvious that the Eagles had absolutly no intentions of getting Stallworth back. The hamstring problems were bad enough, then you have the drug violation on top of that, and I'd say Reid said no way.
Not that I wouldn't want him for one year when the alternative is Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett and Jason Avant. Thats just terrible. Same as Thrash and Pinkston and whoever.
Still, I'm not going to crucify the front office for not signing Stallworth. There are too many questions with his ability to play for a full season. It's not like you can't expect him to have hamstring problems, and who knows about a possible suspension? He might play 16 games, and he might play eight games.
If anything, I'll say that Ried sucks major ass at drafting a reciever. Why hasn't this orginization been able to draft anyone who is a decent compliment to D-mac?? It seems he's so damn full of himself that he thinks the system is so great it takes average recievers and makes them pro-bowlers. I just don't understand.
The only thing now that would make me happy this offseason is if they could draft a burner like Ted Ginn Jr. or make a blockbuster deal to move up and draft and get Calvin Johnson.
It just sucks major ass that at this point we're looking at having to go through another season of no major threat at reciever. It's a curse. First TO and now Stallworth with his injuries and violations.
guess with his sons being on drugs that was enough for Reid to close the door on Stallworth! Looks like with the defensive demise with the front seven and now back to a bunch of mediocre WRs looks like the Eagles are back to the middle of the pack
this is all my fault. i was at my local supermarket last night and saw The Sporting News Draft Guide and bought it. first thing I did when I got home was turn right to the wide receiver rankings. must have been an omen. all my fault.
FYI, here's what's left to choose from for WRs:
Free agents
Curtis
Moulds
Stokley
McCardell
Kelley Washington
Troy Brown (will likely retire)
Antonio Bryant
Travis Taylor
Az Hakim
Bobby Engram
Corey Bradford
Terrence Wilkins
Shaun McDonald
Andre Davis
Quincy Morgan
Justin Gage
Troy Walters
Trade rumors
Randy Moss
Darrell Jackson
Draft picks
Dwayne Jarrett
Dwayne Bowe
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Sidney Rice
Robert Meachem
Jason Hill
Anthony Gonzalez
i think i'm gonna be sick.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2007, 02:33:18 PM
Draft picks
Dwayne Jarrett
Dwayne Bowe
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Sidney Rice
Robert Meachem
Jason Hill
Anthony Gonzalez
Although not as well known, Johnnie Lee Higgins out of UTEP would be an awesome pick in the 3rd round. One of the fastest players in the draft. He was probably an early 2nd rounder before the combine but only ran a 4.48 40 time so he's dropping. He'd be a much better value pick than someone like Rice, Hill or Gonzalez.
Here's the contract the Eagles wouldn't beat:
QuotePatriots | Stallworth contract update
Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:25:40 -0800
Updating a previous item, Michael Smith and Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, report the New England Patriots have agreed to terms with free agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Eagles) on a six-year, $33.1 million contract. The deal, however, can be as short as one year or as long as six seasons. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000, totaling $3.6 million for the 2007 campaign. However, for the team to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25. Also, a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million would be due March 1, as well as a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. Stallworth would earn $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million. If the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for 2009, they would have to pay a $2 million option bonus by Feb. 25 of that year. Including terms of bonuses and base salary, Stallworth would earn $5 million in 2009, for a three-year total of $19.6 million. The final three seasons of the contract include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each.
He's worth that and then some. Tom Brady is a happy guy today.
It's times like this that make me flat out hate this team.
The Eagles FO is farging rediculous. What the farg are they saving their money for? They really must hate McNabb.
He's the loser in all of this. In almost 8 season, only 2 of those can he say he had some kind of threat at receiver. That is farging retarded.
Like someone said earlier...we're one injury away to Brown from warping back to Pinkston/thrash receiver threat level.
Also, times like these makes me wish we had Dan Snyder. :paranoid
Quote from: hbionic on March 11, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
Also, times like these makes me wish we had Dan Snyder. :paranoid
^^when anger turns to retardation^^
(http://www.southparkquotes.com/images/timmy.gif)
timmay.
Never win a Superbowl with this front office.
What a joke. I hope Stallworth has a career year for the Pats this year. The best year of any WR ever.
My big beef is this, if they weren't going to sign Stallworth, then what is the backup plan?? We won't really know until the end of the offseason, but Reid is foolish if he is ok with the receivers we now have. We are right back to were we were 5 years ago.
As it stands now at this point, we've gone backwards. Get a damn reciever and a mlb damn it!!
We have Avant! How can you not like Avant?!
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2007, 03:32:35 PM
Never win a Superbowl with this front office.
What a joke. I hope Stallworth has a career year for the Pats this year. The best year of any WR ever.
Change your tagline under your avatar. It was obviously a jinx in the first place.
I will laugh my penis off (hopefully not literally) if the Eagles sign Curtis to a deal bigger than Stallworth's. That said, considering Stallworth is no longer an option, I like that plan a lot more than going into the season with some combination of Baskett, Avant, Greg Lewis, Billy Sampy, Gasperson, J.J. Outlaw, Troy McClure, Jack Palance, Na Brown, Bethel Johnson, Jeremy Bloom, and Helen Mirren bucking for roster position under Reggie Brown.
Here's a fun question: Name the starters if Reggie Brown gets injured.
Eagles have a premier QB and his best target is the RB out of the back field.... YAY for the jack asses in charge.
Here's to 1 and 15!! :boom :boom :boom :boom
I don't consider Curtis an option since he'll probably get a deal similar or better than Stallworth's. That being said, I'd take a chance on a veteran like Moulds who hasn't gotten much interest since his release. He'd probably come on the cheap.
I sincerely hope they don't sign any receivers. I want to see that shell-shocked look on their faces when they think they are smarter than everyone else and get a reality check. Whether it is during the season when receivers can't get open or the playoffs. They need a reality check.
Quote from: Phanatic on March 11, 2007, 03:47:38 PM
Eagles have a premier QB and his best target is the RB out of the back field.... YAY for the jack asses in charge.
Here's to 1 and 15!! :boom :boom :boom :boom
1. "Premier" QB? No. If McNabb were a premier, balls-on-accurate QB, he wouldn't need a stud like Donte' at WR that gets ridiculously open. His arm is strong but not incredibly accurate.
2. 1-15 is akin to the Danny Snyder comment by hbionic. Don't let your anger lead to absolute stupidity.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
I don't consider Curtis an option since he'll probably get a deal similar or better than Stallworth's. That being said, I'd take a chance on a veteran like Moulds who hasn't gotten much interest since his release. He'd probably come on the cheap.
I'm just working with what I know. I know Stallworth is gone, but I don't know if it was the money, or the hamstring, or the substance "problem", or a personality conflict, or what. I do know that the Eagles need a better receiver to play #2 or #3. If it was truly a money thing with Stallworth (ie: they think they couldn't afford his price), then you're right that Curtis is likely not an option.
That said, I would take Moulds or McCardell or Bobby Engram. None of them have the speed dimension of Stallworth, but all are reliable veteran guys that run good routes and play well under pressure. Much like the Eagles did with Ed Jasper last year, I'd just like to see them at least get some insurance.
reaching hard for McCardell--stop it. Moulds was a decoy last year--who rarely got thrown too because he couldnt get open. He would be the same decoy for Reggie Brown and you would be asking to bring back McMullen after 4 games. Shows you how smart all of us were last year during free agency with Moulds
Bobby Engram--no question--Id be all over it
Quote from: Phanatic on March 11, 2007, 03:47:38 PM
Eagles have a premier QB and his best target is the RB out of the back field.... YAY for the jack asses in charge.
Here's to 1 and 15!! :boom :boom :boom :boom
you must mean Thomas Tapeh. What a threat near the goal line.
It's a one year contract, that much is obvious. Donte and Drew obviously were not receiving the interest they thought they would get. Hoping to land that big contract next year without it looking like they caved in for a one year deal this year.
Trade talks have swirled around Stallworth since his 2nd season. There's obviously more to his story than any of us know. I don't care how he always says the right thing, I want a player that always does the right thing, ie - practice, off season conditioning program, etc.
That said, I wanted Stallworth back, but only for the short term.
I'd take Engram for 1 or 2 years.
Engram has Cadaver Hands with that softball that Hasselbeck throws, how do you think he's gonna do with 110mph Dmac stingers.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 11, 2007, 04:57:41 PM
Engram has Cadaver Hands with that softball that Hasselbeck throws, how do you think he's gonna do with 110mph Dmac stingers.
#1. That's bulshtein, Engram got a bad rap for what that whole group was, but he's had good hands his whole career.
#2. Can't be any worse than the two starting WRs from last year.....
Quote from: Phanatic on March 11, 2007, 03:47:38 PM
Eagles have a premier QB and his best target is the RB out of the back field.... YAY for the jack asses in charge.
Here's to 1 and 15!! :boom :boom :boom :boom
To make matters worse, everyone knows this and everyone knows we're pass happy. so good luck with that scheme.
but we have the largest o-line in the nfl...lets just see if McNabb can throw 45-50 passes per game again this year, because all the years before proved so god damn successful. sometime i feel that, the FO just worries about the division and no other teams in the nfl. we've managed to be succesful for years in our division. when it comes to the big game, we're over matched and out coached. both do to poor decisions in the FO.
i have absolutley no faith in next season, thus far. none. unless hey are looking to move way up in the draft and trade smucks like darwin walker, dhani jones, buckhalter, greg lewis, schobel, mcdougle....farg we need to wipe the slate clean one of these years, before its too late. starting with andy reid and the dicks in the FO.
oh yea and farg spadaro. that fargin puppet makes me sick. how can anyone be so stupid. i hope he lays awake at night and cant sleep because of all the bullshtein
The sad thing is the fans will never get the message across because they love the Eagles too much and won't stop going to games to show their discontent.
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2007, 05:40:33 PM
The sad thing is the fans will never get the message across because they love the Eagles too much and won't stop going to games to show their discontent.
It's a fine line to walk because it's hard to show support for your TEAM without inadvertently supporting the front office which is filled with people you want to slap around with a large mouth bass.
Quote from: BlueHeart on March 11, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
It's a fine line to walk because it's hard to show support for your TEAM without inadvertently supporting the front office which is filled with people you want to slap around with a lock in a sock.
Fixed.
LOL- I was going to put sledgehammer, but, I would just be transferring my own feelings about the Giants FO.
At least the Giants see a hole (RB), and plug it. Unlike the Eagles, who see a hole and make it even worse.
Idiots. farging idiots.
Don't worry. There are still options out there for the Eagles to plug the hole at WR in similar fashion to the Giants' plugging of the RB hole. There are plenty of malcontent 2nd/3rd tier players out there. Just be patient.
:paranoid
:yay
I honestly think the situation might be hopeless.
There are people "elsewhere" advocating the position that Hank Baskett is a preferable alternative to Stallworth.
:'( :-D ???
1. He's taller
2. He's cheaper
3. He's lighter-skinned
WIN!
Ed started a thread about Doss that quickly went awry.
Sorry Ed.
:-D
I will say this. I'll still watch every game like I always do, but I will never spend another dime on this team again until the front office shapes up. Not a jersey, ticket, hat, shirt, DVD, jacket. I will not spend one time on team merchandise, tickets or anything. If they want to be cheap then so will I.
It won't make a difference, but still, I don't care.
Oh, please... :-D
I'll spend what I always spend because I'm a farging idiot.
Anyone making grandiose declarations about freezing the Eagles out financially needs a hot steaming mug full of STFU.
You'll pay what you pay, you'll buy what you buy, and you'll farging do it with a smile on your face.
No, I won't actually. It isn't like I have season tickets, so it isn't like I'll be giving up something. Instead, when the ticket phone lines open up every year like they always do, I won't be making that call to attempt to land tickets.
Maybe I'll cool off in a couple weeks, but as of right now I'm sticking to my claim.
Fight the power, Killa. :yay
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
No, I won't actually. It isn't like I have season tickets, so it isn't like I'll be giving up something. Instead, when the ticket phone lines open up every year like they always do, I won't be making that call to attempt to land tickets.
Maybe I'll cool off in a couple weeks, but as of right now I'm sticking to my claim.
I just decided I am selling my season tickets, but Im only offering them to you.
Half price. Want em?
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 11, 2007, 05:59:45 PM
At least the Giants see a hole (RB), and plug it. Unlike the Eagles, who see a hole and make it even worse.
Aye, but, holes abound and they're not doing a farging thing about it. LB, anyone? CB?
I'll be erecting my shrine to the Football Gods, to bring to me Timmons, but, there's only so much one can do. A
little help from those getting paid the big bucks, to fix the D, would be a nice change of pace.
No way in hell I even
make believe I won't be at every home game though... LOL
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 06:01:34 PM
Don't worry. There are still options out there for the Eagles to plug the hole at WR in similar fashion to the Giants' plugging of the RB hole. There are plenty of malcontent 2nd/3rd tier players out there. .
You mean like Kevin Curtis?
Quote from: King Cole on March 11, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
Instead, when the ticket phone lines open up every year like they always do, I won't be making that call to attempt to land tickets.
That won't impact them at all, since there's about 1000+ fans/brokers lining up behind you to buy them if you don't. We need to send a message to the team by drying up the dollars spent on such great merchandise as:
(http://shop.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/smallimages/ducejersey.jpg)(http://shop.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/smallimages/42-195s.jpg)(http://shop.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/smallimages/22-674L.jpg)(http://shop.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/products/smallimages/40-114.jpg)
In.
(Except for the thong. A man has his needs, you know.
How much for the dog?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 06:34:00 PM
In.
(Except for the thong. A man has his needs, you know.
You have a need to wear a thong?
I won't spend a dime on Eagles tickets next year.
Of course, that's not hard from 1,500 miles away...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 06:12:30 PM
Oh, please... :-D
I'll spend what I always spend because I'm a farging idiot.
Anyone making grandiose declarations about freezing the Eagles out financially needs a hot steaming mug full of STFU.
You'll pay what you pay, you'll buy what you buy, and you'll farging do it with a smile on your face.
there in lies your answer.
The Birds FO is making this team a cash cow. They know us fans will continue to buy tickets, jerseys, Eagles ice cream, stupid talking mice and thongs (gimme a break).
And they know they have thousands upon thousands of people on the ticket waiting list (who just might get tix if this team continues to farg itself into shteinsville), who will continue to keep the cash cow fed.
we should pump money into their accounts...after all as banner likes to point out we are lucky to even have a team in the city and if it wasnt for lurie we wouldnt
Move the team to Raleigh! That would totally rule for me!
(No.)
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Move the team to Raleigh! That would totally rule for me!
(No.)
As many of us, I live n breathe this team. Maybe I shouldn't get so fargin pissed every time they make a shtein deal, or farg up another opportunity. we deserve better!
I didn't even think Stallworth was all that great, but I'm pissed anyway because he's still better than any other WR this team has. After next season when Reggie shows himself to be the bust that he is and LJ leaves for whatever a team is willing to pay him, we're going to have Westbrook (who will probably have a major injury this season just for the hell of it) as the only viable receiver.
Oh yeah, I'm totally looking forward to waking up at 4 AM to catch Eagles games.
QuotePatriots | Stallworth contract update
Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:25:40 -0800
Updating a previous item, Michael Smith and Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, report the New England Patriots have agreed to terms with free agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Eagles) on a six-year, $33.1 million contract. The deal, however, can be as short as one year or as long as six seasons. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000, totaling $3.6 million for the 2007 campaign. However, for the team to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25. Also, a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million would be due March 1, as well as a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. Stallworth would earn $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million. If the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for 2009, they would have to pay a $2 million option bonus by Feb. 25 of that year. Including terms of bonuses and base salary, Stallworth would earn $5 million in 2009, for a three-year total of $19.6 million. The final three seasons of the contract include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. Stallworth broke off negotiations with Philadelphia after hearing Kevin Curtis was at the NovaCare Center. Miami and Tennessee were also interested in Stallworth.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 11, 2007, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 11, 2007, 06:34:00 PM
In.
(Except for the thong. A man has his needs, you know.
You have a need to wear a thong?
Like you haven't seen it.
You bitch.
:boom
Someone said 1 and 15 was an over reaction. Really? I don't know about that.
Our LBs consist of Trotter and a bunch of over paid special teamers including the one they just signed from Dallas and I think Trotter is hearing the foot steps of father time creep up in him...
Our Corners are short and get burned trying to make the big plays from time to time.
Our DTs aren't as great as we'd have hoped and our DEs are old and oft injured outside of Jaqua...
Our offense is one key injury away from barely getting into field goal position against the Radiers of the league. Brown or Westbrook goes down and we're stuck with Hank and Reno as the starters.
Of course all this rant is based on the fact that I don't think the Birds front office will do anything else this off season worth a damn and maybe that is where the over reaction comes in...
1-15 would at least give us the #1 pick in the draft. This team is headed for 8-8.
no, this team will win 10 games....again
and not make it to the Super Bowl...again
and everything will be just fine, because they were "in the mix" another year
Remember when we overanalyzed the use of "was" and "did" and said it meant nothing? Good times...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2007, 02:55:09 PM
im gonna go with what andy said on the radio the other day....
"it was nice having him here"
"he did a good job for us"
Can't say I'm surprised. I wonder what NE's cap situation looks like in 2008, because if Stallworth busts out this year and they're facing quite a conudrum.
My guess is that, if he does break out, they might have him try and re-structure. 11 million cap hit in one year is huge for any player. I just can't envision them retaining Stallworth for that price regardless of what he does on the field this year.
I think it boils down to a 1 year deal at 3.6 million. The rest of the deal is irrelevant.
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Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2007, 03:30:22 AM
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well done! :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2007, 03:30:22 AM
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:-D
I swear... laugh to keep from crying.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2007, 03:30:22 AM
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ha, hilarious
the sad look at the end is the best
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2007, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 11, 2007, 03:47:38 PM
Eagles have a premier QB and his best target is the RB out of the back field.... YAY for the jack asses in charge.
Here's to 1 and 15!! :boom :boom :boom :boom
1. "Premier" QB? No. If McNabb were a premier, balls-on-accurate QB, he wouldn't need a stud like Donte' at WR that gets ridiculously open. His arm is strong but not incredibly accurate.
2. 1-15 is akin to the Danny Snyder comment by hbionic. Don't let your anger lead to absolute stupidity.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
I don't consider Curtis an option since he'll probably get a deal similar or better than Stallworth's. That being said, I'd take a chance on a veteran like Moulds who hasn't gotten much interest since his release. He'd probably come on the cheap.
I'm just working with what I know. I know Stallworth is gone, but I don't know if it was the money, or the hamstring, or the substance "problem", or a personality conflict, or what. I do know that the Eagles need a better receiver to play #2 or #3. If it was truly a money thing with Stallworth (ie: they think they couldn't afford his price), then you're right that Curtis is likely not an option.
That said, I would take Moulds or McCardell or Bobby Engram. None of them have the speed dimension of Stallworth, but all are reliable veteran guys that run good routes and play well under pressure. Much like the Eagles did with Ed Jasper last year, I'd just like to see them at least get some insurance.
None of us know why they didn't initially offer him a contract. However, Brookover, in his aritcle this morning, says "Stallworth was disappointed that they didn't try to extend him initally after the season, and then Rosenhaus didn't give the team a chance to match the Pats offer."
QuotePats playing catch-up on receivers: Stallworth deal way overdue
By Michael Felger/ Patriots Beat
Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist
Monday, March 12, 2007 - Updated: 03:31 AM EST
For all of you who tried to make the claim last year that the receiving situation didn't hurt the Patriots - that Deion Branch and David Givens weren't missed and Tom Brady may have been the problem - you must now realize this:
Bill Belichick disagrees with you.
How else to explain wild events of the past week? First, the Pats overpaid (both in draft pick compensation and salary) for possession receiver Wes Welker. Then, yesterday, they took a chance on a questionable character in Donte' Stallworth.
The signing of Stallworth should be all the evidence you need that the Pats have sought to correct the mistakes of last year. In fact, it was just over six months ago that the Pats declined to pull the trigger on Stallworth when he was traded from New Orleans to Philadelphia for the modest cost of a conditional fourth-round draft pick and a backup linebacker (Mark Simoneau). The Pats could have had Stallworth in 2006 at a reasonable price of $1.9 million (his base salary plus escalators), but they passed. Now they're going to pay him nearly double that amount in 2007.
Go figure.
True, the Pats haven't exactly exposed themselves to long-term risk with Stallworth thanks to a nifty six-year, $33 million contract hammered out with Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. It's likely the Donte' Stallworth Era, no matter how well he performs, will last all of one year.
According to ESPN.com, Stallworth is due option and roster bonus payments of $8 million to extend the deal beyond 2007. Also in 2008, the Pats would have to pay him a $1.6 million bonus tied to playing time, a salary of $1 million and a work out bonus of $400,000. That's $11 million in payouts for Year 2, meaning he likely will be allowed to kick the can again in free agency next year after earning $3.6 million in bonuses and salary from the Pats in 2007.
Overall, you can't complain about the Pats aggressively pursuing players and spending money to improve the team. Patriots fans should be thrilled with what's gone on the past week. You can quibble with the cost of Welker (second- and seventh-round picks, plus $10 million in guaranteed money), and Stallworth has some issues. But both players categorically improve the team - bottom line, story over. With the additions of linebacker Adalius Thomas and Stallworth, the Pats have now landed the two best players available at their two biggest areas of need. It's been quite a statement, one that was long overdue.
That said, there's a lot not to like about Stallworth, starting with the fact that he's a former high first-round pick (No. 13 overall in 2002) who in the past seven months has been deemed expendable by two different teams. The Eagles, in particular, have been desperate for receivers for a decade, yet they didn't exactly put up a huge fight to get him back. Instead, they signed Bethel Johnson.
In New Orleans, Stallworth was chronically late to meetings and had to be fined repeatedly by then-coach Jim Haslett. When Sean Payton took over last year, he got one look at Stallworth, who overslept for a mini-camp practice in March, and decided to dump him.
Both the Eagles and Saints had to endure Stallworth's steady stream of minor injuries, most of them muscle-related. Stallworth missed four games with a hamstring problem last year and has played all 16 games only twice in his career.
There's also the drug issue to consider. The Philadelphia Inquirer reported last week that Stallworth is in the league's substance-abuse program, meaning he has violated terms of the agreement at least once and could be one more violation away from a suspension. We have to assume the report is true because it's been out for a week and no one has made the effort to deny it - not Stallworth, not Rosenhaus, not the NFL. Rather, an investigation has been opened to discover the leak, another sign of the story's veracity.
As a player, Stallworth has the chance to be devastating. He's young (26), big (6-foot, 196 pounds) and explosive. Scouts still talk about the 40-yard dash he ran at the combine of his draft year (4.28). He is far more talented than anything the Pats currently have on the roster.
And for that the Pats should be applauded for the move.
Just don't tell me it's business as usual. If it was, Stallworth would have been here last August.
Brookover, in his aritcle this morning, says "Stallworth was disappointed that they didn't try to extend him initally after the season, and then Rosenhaus didn't give the team a chance to match the Pats offer."
brookover is a FO lapdog
the team had since last august to resign him and now two weeks into free agency hes gonna try to put blame on the players agent....what a joke
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 11, 2007, 08:30:36 PM
I won't spend a dime on Eagles tickets next year.
Of course, that's not hard from 1,500 miles away...
It's been over two years since I made an Eagles purchase. The only other thing I got for a present was an Eagles calender.
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Quote from: troyhstewart on March 12, 2007, 10:31:15 AMIt's been over two years since I made an Eagles purchase. The only other thing I got for a present was an Eagles calender.
In what can only be called a miraculous coincidence, it has been two years since you started smoking crack again. One bad habit replaces the other.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2007, 10:42:01 AM
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It shouldn't be that funny, but it is.
An exchange with Spadaro on Donte & the receivers...
HIM:
QuoteSo .. is Stallworth so good that he can't be replaced?
ME:
QuoteObviously not.
But to suggest that the current crop of receivers on the team as a unit are "good" is a stretch, Dave.
Again - I like what Baskett did in a limited role last year and Avant was a good player in college. Lewis is what he is - a fourth receiver at best.
Obviously the Eagles feel differently but I think letting Stallworth go was a mistake. You've said yourself that you wished the Eagles had re-signed him and I agree with your assessment.
HIM:
QuoteI think this is a good group. Not a special group at this point, but good. They will add to it.
If they added a #1 receiver it would be "good" (as it was last year with Donte).
Teams like the Colts & Bengals have "special" receivers while the Eagles have Reggie Brown and that's about it.
I must be missing something.
???
The Eagles best offensive games came with Stallworth out of the lineup last year. The offense will be fine without him. He was never the #1 priority this offseason. It was and still is the defense. I'm not really concerned about Stallworth leaving, I am concerned about the defense specifically the run defense not being addressed...
and Avant was a good player in college.
i know you didnt intend it to be funny but i laughed at that
remember when Dave said that the next few days were going to be crazy? good times
The Eagles best offensive games came with Stallworth out of the lineup last year. The offense will be fine without him. He was never the #1 priority this offseason.
if you care about wins vs green bay and sf in september then you wont miss him...if you care about wins in january (and hopefully february) you need good wr's
remember when Dave said that the next few days were going to be crazy? good times
paying ryan fowler more money than donte stallworth = crazy
oh yeah, good point
Richard Jeni was an Eagles fan.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2007, 12:03:10 PM
Richard Jeni was an Eagles fan.
he shot our chances all to hell :-X
Sun-Sentinel:
Quote"[The money] was very comparable," Rosenhaus told WSVN-TV Sunday night. "It really was a matter of Donte' knowing that he's going to be in a one-year situation, and he needs to succeed. And, frankly, he wants to win.
"It was best for him to sign with New England because of Tom Brady. Donte' really thought a lot of [Dolphins coach] Cam Cameron. But Donte' [signed] a one-year contract, so it's imperative for him that he put himself in the best environment to succeed. Right now the Patriots are more solid offensively than Miami because of the uncertainty at quarterback. The Dolphins might sign Trent Green. Is [Daunte] Culpepper going to be healthy? Is Cleo Lemon ready? Well, Tom Brady is the best."
So, Miami and New England were vying for his services, and the Eagles basically didn't even get involved.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 12, 2007, 02:03:57 PM
So, Miami and New England were vying for his services, and the Eagles basically didn't even get involved.
Or they were involved, but not considered by team Rosenhaus.
Or the question was specifically "Why was NE chosen over Miami?", instead of "Why was NE chosen over all the teams that wanted Stallworth?"
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the eagles wanted no part of stallworth
with mcnabbs health up in the air i honestly believe the eagles are scrapping the 07 season and gonna make a run in 08 when they are hoping mcnabb will be 100% again and they have a ton of money in the 08 offseason to spend
The fluffer in me hopes they passed on Stallworth because a long-term extension will be forthcoming for L.J. Smith.
The realist in me points and laughs at the fluffer and calls him a jackass.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 11:58:55 AM
The Eagles best offensive games came with Stallworth out of the lineup last year. The offense will be fine without him. He was never the #1 priority this offseason.
if you care about wins vs green bay and sf in september then you wont miss him...if you care about wins in january (and hopefully february) you need good wr's
What about wins over a playoff team and rival like Dallas without him? OR putting up 24 points on New Orleans?
We need to be able to stop the run. We can score points without Stallworth. It's the inability to stop that run that ultimately sank this team last year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 02:12:13 PM
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the eagles wanted no part of stallworth
with mcnabbs health up in the air i honestly believe the eagles are scrapping the 07 season and gonna make a run in 08 when they are hoping mcnabb will be 100% again and they have a ton of money in the 08 offseason to spend
I think that's it in a nutshell, IGY. McNabb isn't going to be 100% (or playing at all) the beginning of next season. Even the hardest core homer can't believe that the Eagles are going far with Heather Mitt's boyfriend as the starting QB for any length of time.
We need to be able to stop the run. We can score points without Stallworth. .
again in the regular season maybe...against tough teams in the playoffs no...see carolina in the pre TO year as a perfect example
but if you want to play the record game then i will
without donte last year 2-2
with donte 9-5
Quote from: SidFarkus on March 12, 2007, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 11:58:55 AM
The Eagles best offensive games came with Stallworth out of the lineup last year. The offense will be fine without him. He was never the #1 priority this offseason.
if you care about wins vs green bay and sf in september then you wont miss him...if you care about wins in january (and hopefully february) you need good wr's
What about wins over a playoff team and rival like Dallas without him? OR putting up 24 points on New Orleans?
We need to be able to stop the run. We can score points without Stallworth. It's the inability to stop that run that ultimately sank this team last year.
You're right, I'm glad that instead of spending money on Stallworth we went out and picked up a fatass DT and a couple stud LBs to beef up our run D.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 03:13:40 PM
We need to be able to stop the run. We can score points without Stallworth. .
again in the regular season maybe...against tough teams in the playoffs no...see carolina in the pre TO year as a perfect example
I think this group of current WRs as is (Brown, Baskett, Avant, Lewis...) is head and shoulders above the group that lost the carolina game. Not saying the current group couldnt be better. But just comparing the two as of right now is just kindling for your hyperbole firestorms.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on March 12, 2007, 03:16:10 PM
You're right, I'm glad that instead of spending money on Stallworth we went out and picked up a fatass DT and a couple stud LBs to beef up our run D.
Holla!
im not comparing anything
the WR's suck ass now and they sucked ass then...if it makes you feel better to say the current group is better than the 03 group then ill say it...
but my point was and is that they dont have good enough WR's to make a superbowl much less win one (unless they trade for tom brady this offseason)
not sure where the hyperbole is in anything i said
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 02:12:13 PM
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the eagles wanted no part of stallworth
with mcnabbs health up in the air i honestly believe the eagles are scrapping the 07 season and gonna make a run in 08 when they are hoping mcnabb will be 100% again and they have a ton of money in the 08 offseason to spend
That looks like the plan, they're selling us Gocong, an improved Bunkley, McNabb and Kearse back etc. 10-6 cause I think the East will be that bad. This offseason is reminding me a lot of the 02-03 offseason of Simoneau and trading up for McDougle as the big moves.
just look at the REAL GOLD STANDARD, the Pats get Wes Walker who looked pretty good last year considering the QB mess in Miami, they signed Stallworth on a 1 year deal (no way they pay him the 11 mil the 2nd year!) and today they signed Kelley Washington from the Bengals. This is a team that saw some weaknesses and went out and got players to get back to the big game. Oh and they got Adalius Thomas at LB.
brady like mcnabb is 30 and the patriots like the eagles are close to the superbowl but unlike the eagles the patriots arent going to waste prime years of bradys career...they want more rings and they want them now
yup, they don't want to have to HOPE that things break perfect for them to win a Super Bowl, they are making it so things have to to break perfect for them not to win one
yup...and most importantly even if they dont win it they at least went above and beyond in trying to win one
the Pat's just pretty much secured a spot for them in super bowl 42. good/great upgrades. Marony carrying the load. Stallworth as number one deep threat, ala, Branch. Wes Welker will prob mainly be used as punt/kick returner, but looking at their WR corps, could prob use him. For them theWR position is not a problem. They have a running game and they have the best QB in the league in Tom Brady, who can make a Jabar a stud. They have great coaches, if not the best in Belicheck. They sured up some spots on D, all before the draft. We all know what kind of players they get in the draft. Legit starters. GOLD STANDARD.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2007, 04:56:54 PM
brady like mcnabb is 30 and the patriots like the eagles are close to the superbowl but unlike the eagles the patriots arent going to waste prime years of bradys career...they want more rings and they want them now
That's the most infuriating thing of all. They seem to think that McNabb is going to play forever. They call this man "the franchise", give him $100 million and for all but 2 years of his career with the Eagles... they've supplied him with some of the worst receiving corps in the league.
In a pass first offense.
Donovan needs to get out while he can.
you're all forgetting reche caldwell, he carried that team last year.
Quote from: SunMo on March 12, 2007, 05:00:24 PM
yup, they don't want to have to HOPE that things break perfect for them to win a Super Bowl, they are making it so things have to to break perfect for them not to win one
The most beautiful thing about what the Pats are doing is that they're going out and improving knowing full well that they have two 1st round picks this year. But, instead of relying on those draft picks (which carry uncertainty) they're using them to compliment what they've already done.
Btw... how long until someone comes along with the witty "Why don't you all become Partiots fans" line?
good point Feva...imagine if the Eagles had two 1st rounders in the draft, they wouldn't even be brining people into visit
Quote from: SunMo on March 12, 2007, 05:16:36 PM
good point Feva...imagine if the Eagles had two 1st rounders in the draft, they'd farg up twice in the 1st round.
Two linemen, FOUR FIRST NAMES!
its Stormin Norman Braman all over again ! :deion
Quote from: phattymatty on March 12, 2007, 05:11:37 PM
you're all forgetting reche caldwell, he carried that team last year.
GET RECHE
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2007, 05:14:48 PM
Btw... how long until someone comes along with the witty "Why don't you all become Partiots fans" line?
Go Partiots.
PARTIOTS!
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2007, 05:14:48 PM
Btw... how long until someone comes along with the witty "Why don't you all become Partiots fans" line?
Imagine being married to one right now. Freaking New Englanders. :boom
We're called Yankees.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 13, 2007, 08:48:15 AM
We're called Yankees.
Technically, so am I since I'm from PA. I'm trying to differentiate between us, freaking New Yorker.
dio pulled off the almost impossible...he actually moved out of the bronx and somehow didnt upgrade his locale
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2007, 09:02:24 AM
dio pulled off the almost impossible...he actually moved out of the bronx and somehow didnt upgrade his locale
He's 10 times closer to you now. Isn't that an automatic upgrade? Hell, you two should be able to hang out every weekend.
maybe we can hang out on sundays and not watch eagles games
like you know the bronx white boy
my boy used to live in the bronx river houses....soundview what!!
your boy ain't you
Eskin "reported" today that the Eagles offered a deal to Stallworth that would have paid him over $4 million this year, but Rosenhaus didn't even tell Donte' about the offer.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2007, 05:05:20 PM
Eskin "reported" today that the Eagles offered a deal to Stallworth that would have paid him over $4 million this year, but Rosenhaus didn't even tell Donte' about the offer.
That is a crock full of 100% hi-grade hourseshtein right there. No way it's true. If it was, Donte would be firing Rosenhaus right about now, and making him scream for mercy like a little bitch.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2007, 05:05:20 PM
Eskin "reported" today that the Eagles offered a deal to Stallworth that would have paid him over $4 million this year, but Rosenhaus didn't even tell Donte' about the offer.
I don't believe that for a second
thats an obvious cop out by Eskin to-- #1 weed the callers out from continuing to talk about Stallworth. #2 to try and put some faith back in the fans that the front office really does care about their players (YEH), #3--whats Drew gonna do, call up and Eskin and say, "yes I did tell Donte".
both Eskin and Spadaro play pull my penis with the higher ups, its laughable at this point
Seems like it was based off Ashley Fox's article today:
QuoteWhen Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, began negotiating with the Eagles, he was seeking an exorbitant signing bonus - first $15 million, then $12 million, according to a league source.
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Although Stallworth was on record as saying he wanted to return to the Eagles - he told me exactly that after the Birds' playoff loss to the Saints two months ago - Rosenhaus turned negotiations into a referendum on respect. If the Eagles weren't willing to give Stallworth a long-term deal with a hefty signing bonus, then they obviously didn't think enough of him, the league source said, recounting Rosenhaus' stance.
The fact is, the Eagles would have agreed to a deal like the one Rosenhaus crafted with the Patriots, which is essentially a one-year tryout for $3.6 million. The Eagles, however, didn't get that chance.
That sounds much more reasonable, and plays perfectly into what an agent's job is.
Turning that into "Rosenhaus didn't tell Donte about the eagles offer" is rediculous...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 13, 2007, 06:34:55 PM
Seems like it was based off Ashley Fox's article today:
QuoteWhen Stallworth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, began negotiating with the Eagles, he was seeking an exorbitant signing bonus - first $15 million, then $12 million, according to a league source.
.
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Although Stallworth was on record as saying he wanted to return to the Eagles - he told me exactly that after the Birds' playoff loss to the Saints two months ago - Rosenhaus turned negotiations into a referendum on respect. If the Eagles weren't willing to give Stallworth a long-term deal with a hefty signing bonus, then they obviously didn't think enough of him, the league source said, recounting Rosenhaus' stance.
The fact is, the Eagles would have agreed to a deal like the one Rosenhaus crafted with the Patriots, which is essentially a one-year tryout for $3.6 million. The Eagles, however, didn't get that chance.
So........if this is accurate, does that take some of the heat off the FO for not retaining Stallworth?
the eagles choose not to resign him long before free agency ever started...they had exclusive rights to stallworth for six months and did nothing with him...then once he hit the open market they didnt make an offer of any amount...then all of a sudden in the 24th hour they would have signed him if it wasnt for his agent??
sounds like me when i was a kid and wouldnt do my chores
my mother would then ground me where upon i would offer to do them...she of course refused
then i blamed her for me being in trouble "but i said i would have done them!!"
So it's cool to still blame the FO then?
Agreed. It's obvious they AT BEST didn't make him a priority and at worst didn't make him an offer.
eskin made it clear that the FO absolutely did not make him an offer after march 1st
whats not clear is how serious about resigning him the eagles were back in the fall
Considering it would have meant giving up a higher draft pick, I'd say even less serious than they were last week.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2007, 01:50:27 PM
the eagles choose not to resign him long before free agency ever started...they had exclusive rights to stallworth for six months and did nothing with him...then once he hit the open market they didnt make an offer of any amount...then all of a sudden in the 24th hour they would have signed him if it wasnt for his agent??
sounds like me when i was a kid and wouldnt do my chores
my mother would then ground me where upon i would offer to do them...she of course refused
then i blamed her for me being in trouble "but i said i would have done them!!"
Uh, that's not totally true. I was in Philly for a week in November, and on the Saturday they announced the Reggie Brown signing, it was asked of Stallworth if it bothered him they didn't talk to him--he said that it didn't bother him because he didn't want to negotiate during the season because it would have been a distraction to the team.
Also, didn't I see a post in this thread some twenty pages back from BigEd76 that Stallworth turned down a deal similar to Brown's? And in fact, someone's response to that post was--"Don't you think he deserves more than Brown?"
they negotiated back in the fall but its never come out what kind of numbers were discussed...if easy said that im sure spadaro told him which eliminates all credibility
stallworth said in november he didnt wanna discuss a new deal because at that point he was getting closer to unrestricted FA...but negotiations took place earlier in the fall...but as i said who knows how serious it was or what numbers were thrown around
the bottom line is the eagles had ample opportunity to resign him...way more of an opportunity than any other team...new england got it done they didnt (or didnt want to) and to now blame rosenhaus is pathetic
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2007, 06:33:41 AM
they negotiated back in the fall but its never come out what kind of numbers were discussed...if easy said that im sure spadaro told him which eliminates all credibility
Right - because Spadaro is totally in the habit of lying to Ed.
:-D
Your hatred of Spadaro and the front office is comical, IGY. What's even funnier is the conspiracy theories you cling to regarding the team. You assume everything they tell you is a lie when more often than not they're proven to be acting honestly and honorably.
If they were indeed as dishonest and scummy as you insist they are, then no one would do business with them and they'd have agents and players screaming to the media about how awful they are. Strangely enough, you never hear much of that, especially from players who sign extensions for huge amounts of dough.
spadaro might be the swellest guy ever and im sure hes a good friend to you...but when it comes to the eagles NOTHING hes says can even be considered as truth...hes a punchline thats it
What's even funnier is the conspiracy theories you cling to regarding the team
which ones?
If they were indeed as dishonest and scummy as you insist they are, then no one would do business with them and they'd have agents and players screaming to the media about how awful they are.
:paranoid
whos doing business with them these days
Strangely enough, you never hear much of that, especially from players who sign extensions for huge amounts of dough
you mean players who dont deserve huge extensions because they arent that good yet still recieve them are happy with the team....no way??
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2007, 09:02:33 AM
If they were indeed as dishonest and scummy as you insist they are, then no one would do business with them and they'd have agents and players screaming to the media about how awful they are.
:paranoid
whos doing business with them these days
Ryan Fowl.........errrr, nevermind.
Al Morganti:
Quote
Eagles make it tough to trust them
On the surface, after viewing what has occurred in the National Football League free agent season, it's logical to conclude that it's been a disaster for the Philadelphia Eagles. While other teams have made key additions, they've sat on the sidelines and watched quality players walk away.
If that weren't bad enough, the Eagles actually failed to acquire a free agent they thought they had signed when linebacker Ryan Fowler decided to snub the Eagles' offer and accept a deal with the Tennessee Titans.
This news came just a day after the Eagles lost receiver Donte' Stallworth as a free agent to the New England Patriots.
Stallworth didn't exactly shake down the money tree when he inked a deal that will guarantee him only about $3.6 million for the 2007 season.
The overall numbers on his contract could reach about $33 million. But, in the world of the NFL, where there are virtually no guarantees, the Stallworth agreement should be viewed for what it is: The Patriots took a one-year chance on him, and if they like what they see, they can carry on with the deal.
If not, they can bid Stallworth farewell after this season. The irony here is that the Eagles could have signed the wideout to a similar deal, and at this point the Eagles need Stallworth a lot more than do the Patriots, who have already stocked up with free agent additions.
Part of the difference is that the Patriots play in the AFC, and more than just getting back to the Super Bowl and winning another set of rings, they have to worry about merely making the playoffs in a conference that is as strong as it's ever been. On the other hand, the NFC is far less imposing, and the Eagles can head into the season realizing they don't need to be equipped to the teeth to reach the playoffs.
As a result, club president Joe Banner continues to approach the upcoming campaign with the tack that the organization is set up for long-term success, meaning there is no sense of urgency to win a championship. Sports fans are very familiar with the term "window of opportunity,'' and the Eagles seem to desire a very long, thin window with little chance of climbing through rather than a big picture window with a clear view of the Super Bowl.
For fans of the team, the most annoying part of this offseason has been the continued perception that the team is being operated by Banner. This is especially obvious since Andy Reid, the team's head coach, has been less visible than usual as a result of the very public family crisis involving the arrests of his two sons.
The last thing the fans want is the perception that a team is a business and not a sports entity. This is getting more and more difficult with the Eagles, especially when Banner increasingly becomes the face of the team.
More often than not, the Eagles have shown prudence in their personnel decisions, but this spring is making it exceedingly difficult to trust what they are doing.
I thought this article was prudent, considering Joe Banner is doing another farging interview today.
I give it five years before Banner gets fired. This is, of course, after Reid and McNabb are both gone.
aside from the fact that i agree with him here morganti is such a great writer...i still miss him from his flyer days...best beat writer ive ever read
ha...Stallworth missed two practices already and was placed on the PUP list.
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all his injuries are just freak accidents.
Donte Stallworth... now THAT is someone who is injury prone.
You know who else is? McNabb.
is it his hammy again?
i still would want him on this team bad hammy or not.
Quote from: Dillen on July 28, 2007, 06:38:17 PM
You know who else is? McNabb.
Not McNabb. Stallworth is thoughz.
Quote from: King Cole on July 28, 2007, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Dillen on July 28, 2007, 06:38:17 PM
You know who else is? McNabb.
Not McNabb. Stallworth is thoughz.
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Stallworth didn't even touch the field yet and he's already farging hurt. At least McNabb gets hurt in legit ways, like when he gets tackled and his leg gets caught under him. Stallworth hurts his hammy driving to camp.
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 01:52:18 AM
Stallworth didn't even touch the field yet and he's already farging hurt. At least McNabb gets hurt in legit ways, like when he gets tackled and his leg gets caught under him. Stallworth hurts his hammy driving to camp.
Mostly agree, but strike one on McNabb is the way he blew out his knee. Another blown out knee like that and he's officially got chronic knee problems. Don't be a Buckhalter, McNabb.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 29, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: King Cole on July 28, 2007, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Dillen on July 28, 2007, 06:38:17 PM
You know who else is? McNabb.
Not McNabb. Stallworth is thoughz.
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Geo,
just referencing a Jethro Tull album gets you a round trip ticket to Hawaii. :yay
Yeah, but McNabb, if I remember correctly, blew out his knee running to the sidelines this time and really wasn't even touched.
It was a freak injury, and I think it does make everyone concerned about the viability of his knee from here on out, regardless of whether it is surgically repaired.
Stallworth is just always going to have a problem with his hamstring. That's probably why the Pats rolled the dice and brought in Moss as well. Stallworth is probably one of the best deep threats in football when healthy, but it is almost impossible to know if he will play week and week out.
Quote from: Eaglez on July 29, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
Yeah, but McNabb, if I remember correctly, blew out his knee running to the sidelines this time and really wasn't even touched.
It was a freak injury, and I think it does make everyone concerned about the viability of his knee from here on out, regardless of whether it is surgically repaired.
Stallworth is just always going to have a problem with his hamstring. That's probably why the Pats rolled the dice and brought in Moss as well. Stallworth is probably one of the best deep threats in football when healthy, but it is almost impossible to know if he will play week and week out.
Yeah, he hurt his knee in a freak way, but it was the first time he ever blew it out, and I'm sure he didn't just take a step and it tore. I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
But if I was saying I'm not worried about him getting hurt I'd be lying. Whether it is being injury prone or just being unlucky, the fact is the guy gets in situations where he gets hurt. But then again, most Eagles stars do. EVery year for the last few seasons, we've lost one of our 3 best players to a serious injury.
McNabb(2006), McNabb(2005), TO(2004), Westbrook(2003), McNabb(2002)
It is just Philly
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
Hahahahhaahahaahahahahhaha. You can't be serious. Idiot.
shut up and post more
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2007, 10:20:29 PM
shut up and post more
Lemme guess. . . Jagerbombs?
i'm not drunk posting...i just miss that silly sonofabitch
Quote from: rjs246 on July 29, 2007, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
Hahahahhaahahaahahahahhaha. You can't be serious. Idiot.
Well I don't want to get into a whole thing on physics, but something needs to happen to the ligament to make it tear. Obviously his knee bent in an awkward way or he'd still have his ACL in tact.
Some guys just blow their knee out man. That was strike one on McNabb. Not one goddamn hit, or anyone rolling up on his knee...he just flat out blew his knee out. Another one like that and he's a Buckhalter.
True, I blew my knee out one time driving to the gym. Man that hurt. I asked the doctor what caused it and he said that sometimes people's knees just blow out for no apparent reason.
Get a room.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 12:38:28 AM
Well I don't want to get into a whole thing on physics, but something needs to happen to the ligament to make it tear. Obviously his knee bent in an awkward way or he'd still have his ACL in tact.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
True, I blew my knee out one time driving to the gym. Man that hurt. I asked the doctor what caused it and he said that sometimes people's knees just blow out for no apparent reason.
Christ.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
True, I blew my knee out one time driving to the gym. Man that hurt. I asked the doctor what caused it and he said that sometimes people's knees just blow out for no apparent reason.
Wow... so you're dumb as shtein
and injury prone.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
True, I blew my knee out one time driving to the gym. Man that hurt. I asked the doctor what caused it and he said that sometimes people's knees just blow out for no apparent reason.
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Speechless *
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
You mean a camera that had zoom on it? Yeah.
Stop being such a retard. Even in your dumbass idea, if you need a "special camera" to see his knee bend, that means his knee didn't have a bad sharp awkward turn in the first place or you would have noticed it.
"The knee, the stupidest joint in the body, is a controlled mediator between the hip and the foot, nothing more." -- Sifu Ted Mancuso
Quote from: PPinDC on July 30, 2007, 07:24:02 AM
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 12:38:28 AM
Well I don't want to get into a whole thing on physics, but something needs to happen to the ligament to make it tear. Obviously his knee bent in an awkward way or he'd still have his ACL in tact.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
True, I blew my knee out one time driving to the gym. Man that hurt. I asked the doctor what caused it and he said that sometimes people's knees just blow out for no apparent reason.
Christ.
You really suck at reading sarcasm dude.
I didn't think people thought it was possible to tear an ACL while driving a car.
Quote from: Dillen on July 30, 2007, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
You mean a camera that had zoom on it? Yeah.
Stop being such a retard. Even in your dumbass idea, if you need a "special camera" to see his knee bend, that means his knee didn't have a bad sharp awkward turn in the first place or you would have noticed it.
It wasn't an idea, it was just a point that everyone assumes McNabb blew out his knee by just falling to the ground. No one had a good view or angle of his knees up close. Every few was the same view from behind McNabb as he was running.
If there was a different camera angle showing his knees on the play, I'm sure his one knee bent awkwardly.
Quote from: King Cole on July 30, 2007, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Dillen on July 30, 2007, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: King Cole on July 29, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
I'm sure if you had a special camera to zoom in on exactly what happened, his knee probably did a sharp awkward turn that it wasn't supposed to make on its way out of bounds.
You mean a camera that had zoom on it? Yeah.
Stop being such a retard. Even in your dumbass idea, if you need a "special camera" to see his knee bend, that means his knee didn't have a bad sharp awkward turn in the first place or you would have noticed it.
It wasn't an idea, it was just a point that everyone assumes McNabb blew out his knee by just falling to the ground. No one had a good view or angle of his knees up close. Every few was the same view from behind McNabb as he was running.
If there was a different camera angle showing his knees on the play, I'm sure his one knee bent awkwardly.
The main camera angle showed his knee giving out, not like Bucks did against the ravens in the preseason, but it clearly showed loss of stability.
This thread has become funney!
Tie it off like a gangrene limb.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 30, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
Tie it off like a ganggreen limb.
Where is that picture of The Freak with the leg injury at camp 2 years ago?
As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as a freak injury on the football field.
Getting shot in the abdomen, freak injury.
Tearing a ligimant while playingg football, not a freak injury.
^^^^^
real talk
how the hell is a blown knee in a pro football game a freak injury?
The only time I can ever remember an injury happening that would be considered a freak occurrence is when that guy blew out both knees at the Vet because of the turf.
Other than that, if it's a contact related injury, then it's not a freak thing at all.
wendall davis...best injury ever...would have only been better if his body had come apart in two at the waist...like on some grindhouse type gore
That was crazy. You could see him going to jump and his whole bottom half just gave out on him.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 30, 2007, 04:24:12 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 30, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
Tie it off like a ganggreen limb.
Where is that picture of The Freak with the leg injury at camp 2 years ago?
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2007, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 30, 2007, 04:24:12 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 30, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
Tie it off like a ganggreen limb.
Where is that picture of The Freak with the leg injury at camp 2 years ago?
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:-D awsome
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2007, 08:23:02 AM
wendall davis...best injury ever...would have only been better if his body had come apart in two at the waist...like on some grindhouse type gore
I can't believe you remembered Davis' name. Good pull, IGY.
And yeah, that was some freaky stuff. Looked like a claymore mine went off.
how can you not remember his name...it's Vet Stadium lore
But when Donovan blew out his knee last year I don't really think he was touched at all. He ran to the sideline and then started to limp and collapsed. It would be the equivalent of someone running down the field and then all of a sudden collapse and tearing up his knee is such a serve fashion. At least Carson Palmer had a 300 pound DT ram into him on his plant leg.
If anything, it was a novel injury that gave more cause for concern than if he was tackled, pushed, or had some sort of contact and suffered that sort of injury. I think the way Donovan was injured also prompted Reid to seriously contemplate and take a QB with the Eagles first pick.
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2007, 10:15:38 AM
how can you not remember his name...it's Vet Stadium lore
Alzheimer's?
makes sense
Thing that sucks is i cant find that video anywhere.
Thing that sucks is i cant find that video anywhere.
i have the game on vhs somewhere
get over it people...he's not an eagle anymore
we haven't talked about him for 3 pages now
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2007, 10:15:38 AM
how can you not remember his name...it's Vet Stadium lore
Seriously. It's right up there with Ron Dixon and Ronde Barber
Who?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
Thing that sucks is i cant find that video anywhere.
i have the game on vhs somewhere
ESPN2 just did a Philadelphia Eagles 2006 Yearbook special this past week (I think it was Monday), and I Tivo'd it. McNabb was indeed hit, but not tackled or crushed like you would think would be required to blow out a knee.
McNabb was rolling right, and started to turn up field towards the sideline. He was being chased by #96 (not sure who that was, as they have a new #96 this year from the 2007 draft). Right before going out of bounds, McNabb lept in the air and passed (it was incomplete), landing with his left foot then right in quick succession. Just as his right foot hit the ground, he was hit by Kyle Vanden Busch (#93) on the left side/shoulder, changing his course of direction by about 60 degrees to McNabb's right.
Summarizing, he was hit at the same time he landed on the ground with his right foot. It wasn't a no-contact injury as so many like to claim. It wasn't a monster hit, but obviously enough to twist his knee in a way it isn't meant to be turned.
No more "no contact" "no one touched him" crap talk. It's been rebuked, and all you're doing is repeating misinformation.
rebuked, he says!!
Quote from: Father Demon on August 02, 2007, 04:00:36 PM
No more "no contact" "no one touched him" crap talk. It's been rebuked, and all you're doing is repeating misinformation.
Saw it. He was hurt when he came down and the hit had nothing to do with it. He was hit afterwards. He wasn't really even hit, it was more like a shove. He even told the guy who shoved him that he didn't have anything to do with his injury.