I don't know if it is just me or what, but I can't get into voting for other positions in gov't other than the president. I think it has to do mainly with the fact that I don't know where to gather credible info on the canidates or un-biased reports on where they stand.
All you see is sleazy commercials that may or may not be true. I can't vote based on this alone, but I want to vote next week. I'd rather not vote than vote blindly. I don't vote all republican or all democrat because thats foolish IMO. So my question is where do I look for credible info on these canidates? Anyone have any good un-biased links?
nope...i could care less. I know nothing about the people in my town/county/state. And no one has convinced me either way to vote.
monster senatorial gubernotorial and attorney general races in my state
i vote regardless but this year is HUGE
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 01, 2006, 11:44:30 AM
nope...i could care less. I know nothing about the people in my town/county/state. And no one has convinced me either way to vote.
Thats how I used to feel, and I think a good number of people feel this way too.
IGY your in MD right? i know absolutely nothing about politics here since we moved to MD. The only thing i know is it seems most platforms are, im against George Bush...Vote for me :-D
i know absolutely nothing about politics here since we moved to MD
hope youre liberal because md is arguably the most liberal state in the country
anway if youre anti bush you really need to get out and vote this year
cardin
o'malley
gansler
Pretty important vote here in VA with Webb vs. Allen in a close race. I'm not sure I really like either candidate but I will go out and vote. It is an honor and a privilege as a U.S. citizen. Here is the latest incident with Allen:
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935264&c=MGArticle&cid=1149191438539&path=%21news%21politics#rrForm
not liberal the least bit, plus i live in a hick part of MD so a lot of W bumperstickers.
November 7th is my birthday, and my college classes are closed due to my college being a voting location.
That'll be about it for me on election day.
I always vote. Well, almost always. Once in a while I miss the smallest elections, for local council seats, etc. But I'm generally pretty good about it.
Used to be people said their vote didn't really count. Now, there's good reason to think it won't be counted.
So maybe it's foolish to bother, but I vote anyway.
We have a governor race and a senatorial race.
Governor race:
Charlie Crist (R) - Our current Attorney General
Jim Davis (D) - Currently a member of the House
Senator race:
Bill Nelson (D) - Incumbent
Katherine Harris (R) - You may remember her as the Supervisor of Elections in the 2000 Presidental Election debacle.
harris dead...thats not a race
the gubernotorial race in fla is hot tho
Crist is going to wipe the floor with Jim Davis. Sad because Crist is a dipshtein.
The smear campaign being waged by Crist against Davis is monumentally wretched. Of course, Floridians are morons for the most part, and it's been very effective as a result.
On the other hand, Bill Nelson is going to beat Katherine Harris by 20 points because Katherine Harris is a religious fruitcake bimbo nitwit. The polls open at 7:00 AM on Tuesday. If she had a shred of common sense, she'd concede the election @ 7:01 AM.
threw in a special teams vote for Mahe.
As soon as I can tell the difference between the parties and their representatives i'll consider voting. until then I'll fantasize about living in a country where I can own guns and make money and smoke some squeef without being farging bothered about it.
so any good links into PA's races?
Rendell
Casey
Not Chakkah Fattah
I <heart> Lou Dobbs.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/31/Dobbs.Nov1/index.html
QuoteWhile the name of the party in charge may change from Republican to Democrat, it's really only a branding issue. And just as my friend James Mtume says, it's still the same bird, just a different wing. And believe me, middle-class America will still be getting the bird.
Ha.
Don't forget to vote bitches.
Have to admit...I always feel good after I vote. :yay
Then I realize the sad fact that my vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and go right back to being a miserable farger. :boo
I voted this morning.
They had one, count 'em, ONE touch-screen voting booth at my precinct. The rest were paper ballots. :-D
We have a ballot question regarding building height limits here in town, and as a result, voter turnout today is supposed to dwarf most general elections. I voted with the capitalist oppressors, btw. Give me skyscrapers!
I voted this morning. Who knows if my vote will even be counted, but I voted anyway.
I voted but wasn't happy with the candidates. This two-party system is for the birds. I really wish the Libertarians weren't dominated by :nyuk
i always vote at nite since the govt is required to let you go early to vote it gives me a short day
i voted for people who didnt send me junk mail by the pound or make recorded calls from celebritys 5 times a day for the past two weeks
i don't vote in virginia but this is the first year that i really wish i did. i despise everything about george allen, and his taterskins ties just make me hate him even more. i don't think jim webb is the greatest either, but i'd vote for anyone over allen.
once it became clear that allen was a racist he had the election won
i'm really hoping that you're wrong, but i wouldn't be surprised in the least.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 01, 2006, 12:29:31 PM
I always vote. Well, almost always. Once in a while I miss the smallest elections, for local council seats, etc. But I'm generally pretty good about it.
Same here. Today the wife and I will get home at about the same time, and we'll head to the polling place. I partly want to see how many people are going to be farged up by the new voting machines.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2006, 09:50:35 AM
once it became clear that allen was a racist he had the election won
Oh please. I'm hardly an Allen supporter but Webb had no chance until the macaca incident. According to your theory, Allen shouldn't win because he is jewish.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2006, 10:36:42 AM
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My buddy is adamant that they should add that option to every ballot for every race. If it wins, both/all parties must nominate different candidates and have a runoff election. It sounds phenominal in theory, but either there would be ridiculous amounts of runoff elections or most people would cling to the hope that the giant douche is slightly better than the turd sandwich (or vice versa) and vote for the lesser of two evils anyway.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 07, 2006, 09:24:11 AM
I voted this morning. Who knows if my vote will even be counted, but I voted anyway.
Watch "Hacking Democracy" for your answer.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2006, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2006, 10:36:42 AM
(http://www.ourprisoner.com/images/thumbs/none_of_the_above.jpg)
If it wins, both/all parties must nominate different candidates and have a runoff election. It sounds phenominal in theory, but either there would be ridiculous amounts of runoff elections or most people would cling to the hope that the giant douche is slightly better than the turd sandwich (or vice versa) and vote for the lesser of two evils anyway.
Actually, if everyone votes none of the above then this guy wins.
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According to your theory, Allen shouldn't win because he is jewish.
my theory is that when a white guy is called a racist it brings old white ignorant voters out of the woodwork and they ALL vote as they see it as a sign of the negros taking over the world
and this doesnt even take into account whitey who loves the fact that allen is racist
I'm glad I'm not in Maryland. The election choices there make the Rendell-Swann race look positively boring.
not voting, couldn't find any good material on any of the canidates in PA. What a great system we have in america when all we have to go by to determine who we vote for is sleazy commercials that can't be trusted. Yea AMERICA! farg TEH SISTEM!
The best thing about today is that the goddamn commercials on TV will stop.
Oh, and the repubs will lose control.
I voted, for what it's worth. We have no Senatorial or Gubernatorial races this go-around, and our congressman (Democrat) has won 2-to-1 even when the anti-Republican feelings weren't so strong. The only thing really worth voting for was a bond referendum that will free up money to pump into the schools in our county.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2006, 12:22:57 PM
The best thing about today is that the goddamn commercials on TV will stop.
Oh, and the repubs will lose control.
That, and I'll stop getting fliers about candidates shoved in/on my mailbox, my garage door, inside my house door, the railing of the steps leading to my door, and my car windshield. This morning when I walked out to my truck to go to class there was a lady putting fliers on my mailbox, I asked her politely if she could remove it and she obliged.
someone put a sign on my lawn, to which i spray painted "Sucks!" on the bottom of it. it was gone the next day.
don't they have to ask your permission to put a sign in your yard?
Quote from: Wingspan on November 07, 2006, 01:06:19 PM
someone put a sign on my lawn, to which i spray painted "Sucks!" on the bottom of it. it was gone the next day.
Good job. :yay
Some person along my route to work has a HUGE Santorum sign in their front yard. And by huge I mean like 7 feet tall and about 20 feet long.
I can't believe anyone would vote for Rick Santorum. :-D
I wonder what the breakdown is between rural voters and urban voters where he's concerned? It's gotta be a massive divide.
He's still going to lose to Bob Casey, Jr.... probably badly. And Lynn Swann will rightfully get his ass handed to him.
rightfully? you mean someone who has never spent any time in politics shouldn't be able to win an election for govenor?
Quote from: SunMo on November 07, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
rightfully? you mean someone who has never spent any time in politics shouldn't be able to win an election for govenor?
Only in California or Minnesota.
Quote from: SunMo on November 07, 2006, 01:13:59 PM
don't they have to ask your permission to put a sign in your yard?
they do. and others around me had them, it was probably an oversight. but instead of getting all bent out of shape about it, i toyed with it.
One bad thing about this is that it means that Rendell will be back on Post Game Live soon...it was so much better without him.
Should have Jim Cramer on there every week instead of "The Gov"
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2006, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 07, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
rightfully? you mean someone who has never spent any time in politics shouldn't be able to win an election for govenor?
Only in California or Minnesota.
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Future Governor:
I don't know why Carl Weathers hasn't run for a Governor seat somewhere.
Speaking of Weathers 'Action Jackson' - one of the most underrated bad movies of all time - was on the other night. Sydney Ash AKA Vanity was such a piece of ass.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2006, 01:40:35 PM
Speaking of Weathers 'Action Jackson' - one of the most underrated bad movies of all time - was on the other night. Sydney Ash AKA Vanity was such a piece of ass.
If you search Google images with the safe search off for "vanity action jackson", you'll get an assload of images of the movie poster, but also a few pics of the aforementioned piece of ass.
Nice.
My doorbell rings while I'm on the phone and cooking, I answer and there's some 25-30 year old schmuck standing there with a handful of circular fliers, I answer the door and say 'what?' and he says "I'm with the Patrick Murphy campaign and I just want to make sure you know where to go to to vote". What a farging joke.
Did you explain to the young lad that you'd spent time in the Navy and never had a problem finding the pole?
lynn swanns running mate is chris matthews brother
i cant imagine anyone not voting when our soldiers are in another country dying while trying to give those people the right to vote
I voted...yeah me
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15590530/
Shocking that Ohio and Florida are having trouble.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2006, 03:23:59 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15590530/
Shocking that Ohio and Florida are having trouble.
It's GwB's fault.
America rules at this kind of stuff.
Not me. This way I can bitch when whoever is elected sucks.
I don't care which way you tend to lean politically, but you not voting is a good thing.
Politically I'm not republican or democrat, but you are right about that. I don't have a clue about and of the candidates so me not voting is definitely a good thing. I wouldn't know who I'm voting for.
Then again, most of the people who vote don't know who they are voting for either. They are basing their votes on campaigns which are filled with lies and propaganda.
I didn't have a clue about these two local offices or something, so I voted one for Borat and the other for Azamat. Otherwise, Casey/Rendell/Not Chaka Fattah.
Anyone else get that question about giving money to the troops who fought in the Gulf War? I thought about voting no to screw over the people I know who serve in military, but decided to not be a total dickhead for a change and to vote to give them the money.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2006, 04:53:56 PM
Not Chaka Fattah.
Doesn't he always win with like 85% anyway?
Typically voted, and typically feel almost dirty about it. Yanking it in the booth would have more dignity, I'm sure.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2006, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2006, 04:53:56 PM
Not Chaka Fattah.
Yup. It was as meaningless as my vote for Borat. But they guy I voted for his jew from my hometown, so I had to. Otherwise, I wouldve voted for mpmcrgaw.
Doesn't he always win with like 85% anyway?
mpmcgraw would just relinquish his seat to Pat Burrell.
And you suck at the quote function.
you just suck in general
wheels bahaha
I'm out in IL. Could ya'll do me (and the rest of the country) a favor, and get rid of that farging piece of shtein Santorum?
Thanks
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 07, 2006, 08:46:49 AM
I voted this morning.
They had one, count 'em, ONE touch-screen voting booth at my precinct. The rest were paper ballots. :-D
We have a ballot question regarding building height limits here in town, and as a result, voter turnout today is supposed to dwarf most general elections. I voted with the capitalist oppressors, btw. Give me skyscrapers!
That's funny - all the booths in my district were touch-screens.
Voted at 7:00 am sharp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2006, 03:23:59 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15590530/
Shocking that Ohio and Florida are having trouble.
The old farts down here can't figure out those new-fangled things.
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So long, jackass. :-D
Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.
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Racist Rick is no more.
6 more years of Fast Eddie.
2 more useless years of Fattah. Over 90% of the votes in Philly. They haven't begun Montgomery County yet. Damnit.
Dems take the House. Looks like Republicans will retain Senate to me.
Paul R. Nelson lost his race in Wisconsin [/O&A]
I voted Monday. We had paper ballots that you circled in the choice with a black pen. Decidedly low-tech.
Absentee voting is da bomb. No lines, no wait. I'll probably do this every election time, although this time was legit. I'm hanging in LA for a couple days.
Stupid people of Missouri voted to raise the state minimum wage higher than the US minimum wage (plus annual increases) in every single demographic. Missouri is one of the lowest cost of living areas in the nation, yet these people think that it's smartest to raise the cost of manufacturing and services across the board.
Yay inflation!
Dems going to take Senate AND House.
QuoteCNN) -- Democrats will take control of the House of Representatives for the first time since the 1994 Republican revolution, while control of the Senate hangs in the balance, CNN projects.
Democratic challengers have picked up four seats in the Senate, CNN projects. Republicans would need to take just one of the two remaining competitive races to keep control of the chamber. Results are still too close to call in Montana and Virginia.
In Montana, Republican Sen. Conrad Burns was running behind his Democratic challenger, state Sen. John Tester.
If Tester wins, Democrats could secure Senate control by winning in Virginia, where embattled Republican Sen. George Allen trailed his Democratic challenger, Jim Webb, by fewer than 6,000 votes out of more than 2.3 million counted. (Full Senate news)
Under Virginia law, the apparent loser can request a recount after the votes have been certified if the margin is less than 1 percent of the total votes cast. If that happens, the result may not be clear for weeks.
Webb declared victory early Wednesday, saying, "The votes are in, and we won."
But Allen wasn't backing down. "The election continues," he said.
If the parties split the Virginia and Montana races, that would create a 50-50 breakdown in the Senate, assuming that the two independent members will caucus with the Democrats. In that event, Vice President Dick Cheney's constitutional authority to break tie votes would keep the Senate under Republican leadership.
Pelosi heralds 'new direction'
Democrats picked up at least 28 seats, more than the 15 they needed to capture a majority in the House. (Latest House news)
"Tonight is a great victory for the American people," said House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, who is poised to become the first female speaker of the House. "The American people voted for a new direction."
She vowed "civility and bipartisanship" but confronted the president over his Iraq policy: "Mr. President, we need a new direction in Iraq." (Watch Pelosi challenge the president -- 4:43 Video)
The projected result means that President Bush for the first time faces the prospect of working with a Democratic-controlled House.
Bush, whose anemic approval ratings proved a drag on Republican prospects, was described as "disappointed" with the House results. However, spokesman Tony Fratto said the president was "still optimistic about the Senate."
White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president would telephone Pelosi on Wednesday to offer congratulations.
"We're going to get a lot done," Snow said. "On energy, education, those are clearly things we can work on."
The parties of presidents serving their sixth year in office historically have suffered substantial losses in midterm elections, with the recent exception of President Clinton in 1998.
This year's turnover in Congress is the largest since 1994.
The Democratic pickups in the House included three seats vacated by Republicans amid controversy: Mark Foley's in Florida, Bob Ney's in Ohio and Tom DeLay's in Texas. Two incumbent Pennsylvania Republicans embroiled in controversy also lost their seats -- 10-term Rep. Curt Weldon and Rep. Don Sherwood.
'Steep mountain to climb'
Thirty-three Senate seats were at stake, but only nine races had been considered competitive.
Republican Sen. Jim Talent of Missouri early Wednesday conceded defeat to Democrat Claire McCaskill after a hard-fought race, telling supporters that "the headwind was just very, very strong this year."
McCaskill was backed by actor and stem-cell-research advocate Michael J. Fox.
Republican candidate Bob Corker will win the Tennessee Senate race, defeating Democratic Rep. Harold Ford Jr., CNN projects. He'll fill the open seat now held by retiring Republican Bill Frist, the Senate majority leader.
Democratic senator-turned-independent candidate Joe Lieberman will win the Connecticut Senate race, CNN projects. Both he and newly elected independent Bernie Sanders in Vermont have said they will caucus with the Democrats. (Watch Joe Lieberman become a "comeback kid" -- 1:58 Video)
Democratic challenger Sheldon Whitehouse will win the Rhode Island Senate race, defeating Republican incumbent Lincoln Chafee, CNN projects.
Two-term Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, the chamber's third-ranking Republican, has conceded to Bob Casey Jr. And Democrat Sherrod Brown will defeat GOP Sen. Mike DeWine in Ohio, CNN projects.
"This just was a little too steep of a mountain to climb," said Santorum, an outspoken opponent of abortion and same-sex marriage.
And DeWine, also a two-term senator, told supporters: "It just was not to be. This was not the year."
Democrats retained two of their Senate seats that were considered competitive, in New Jersey and Maryland, CNN projects.
Defying the traditional political maxim that "all politics is local," 62 percent of voters said in exit polls that national issues mattered more than local issues.
The exit polls showed that 42 percent of voters called corruption an extremely important issue in their choices at the polls, followed by terrorism at 40 percent, the economy at 39 percent and the war in Iraq at 37 percent.
Other developments:
# With more voters than ever using electronic voting machines, scattered glitches reported across the country prompted officials to extend voting hours in some areas. (Full story)
# Six governorships changed from Republican to Democratic hands Tuesday, giving Democrats control of a majority of the top state posts for the first time in 12 years. (Governors races)
# Also appearing on state ballots were dozens of referendums, some dealing with controversial issues such as same-sex marriage and abortion. (Ballot initiatives
CNN county by county breakdown of Santorum vs. Casey (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/PA/S/01/)
Heath Shuler finally won something (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2653384)
Looks like pretty much every other election result to me.
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like james carville said long ago...PA is philly and pittsburgh with alabama in the middle
maryland owned everyone last night
there were 60 state or federal races in md
dems went 48-12 in those races
including
a huge senate race
7-1 in congressional races
a huge governer race
attorney general
holla
I can only hope these election results mean that the government's actions will come closer to actually following the will of the people. Personally, I'm a huge fan of gridlock. It's why the last 6 years of Clinton's presidency were good ones for America. When one party can't push an extreme agenda, it's good for everyone.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2006, 08:16:57 AM
I can only hope these election results mean that the government's actions will come closer to actually following the will of the people.
Good luck on that one.
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When one party can't push an extreme agenda, it's good for everyone.
im all for an extreme agenda as long as it goes to the left
It's that kind of thinking that will push the Congress back Republican in no time... not to mention that taking a party line across-the-board political stance is reserved for bought-and-sold politicians and complete imbeciles.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 08:23:02 AM
im all for an extreme agenda as long as it goes to the left
I would usually disagree with those sentiments but after 12 years of GOP control of the house and senate and six years of the chickenhawk, I'm with you on this one.
I still wish there was a relevant political party actually pushing for less government. Basically, all we're doing is voting which inefficient or harmful bureaucracy gets to bathe in our tax dollars. It really farging sucks.
It's that kind of thinking that will push the Congress back Republican in no time
i believe what i believe
right now im just basking in the glory of last nite
bush no longer will be able to engage in lawless and illegal activities under the protection of a republican majority in congress
i want a full and total investigation of the bush admin...ken starr styleee...i want bush....cheney...and rummy put under oath by a special prosecutor....and if found to have broken laws....prosecuted fully....
the republican 'party' is over....and not a second too soon.....
^ Damn straight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 08:36:11 AM
It's that kind of thinking that will push the Congress back Republican in no time
i believe what i believe
right now im just basking in the glory of last nite
bush no longer will be able to engage in lawless and illegal activities under the protection of a republican majority in congress
i want a full and total investigation of the bush admin...ken starr styleee...i want bush....cheney...and rummy put under oath by a special prosecutor....and if found to have broken laws....prosecuted fully....
the republican 'party' is over....and not a second too soon.....
this
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and this.
It's funny how a faux desire to cooperate shifts into partisan macho bullshtein. It's like 1994 all over again, just the other way around. For the record, I'm as happy as anyone about Bushy's carte blanche to bomb brown people and spend amounts on the military that would make even Danny Snyder blush being taken away. However, I think that if the Democratic party uses this opportunity to push an ultra-liberal agenda of frivolous domestic bureaucracy and moves toward stripping down the national defense to the bare bones or worse, they're just going to swing things back towards the bomb-toting, page-boning Republicans all that much sooner.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 08:36:11 AM
It's that kind of thinking that will push the Congress back Republican in no time
i believe what i believe
right now im just basking in the glory of last nite
bush no longer will be able to engage in lawless and illegal activities under the protection of a republican majority in congress
i want a full and total investigation of the bush admin...ken starr styleee...i want bush....cheney...and rummy put under oath by a special prosecutor....and if found to have broken laws....prosecuted fully....
the republican 'party' is over....and not a second too soon.....
Preach on, brother. :yay
The Dems should send a bouquet of flowers to Dubya considering he was the primary reason they won.
webb should win in virginia too, which makes me feel a little better about the state. i thought for sure the racist would win.
however, him being such a slimeball and having so much power already, i wouldn't be surprised if there's a recount and somehow he pulls it out.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2006, 08:34:43 AM
I still wish there was a relevant political party actually pushing for less government. Basically, all we're doing is voting which inefficient or harmful bureaucracy gets to bathe in our tax dollars. It really farging sucks.
Exactly. And nearly any "leader" who gets to the point of being electable has been compromised and watered down to the point of ineffectiveness.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 08:36:11 AM
It's that kind of thinking that will push the Congress back Republican in no time
i believe what i believe
right now im just basking in the glory of last nite
bush no longer will be able to engage in lawless and illegal activities under the protection of a republican majority in congress
i want a full and total investigation of the bush admin...ken starr styleee...i want bush....cheney...and rummy put under oath by a special prosecutor....and if found to have broken laws....prosecuted fully....
the republican 'party' is over....and not a second too soon.....
You sound like my Republican father after the 1994 elections. He said the Democratic party was done and wouldn't recover. That the revolution had started a new era of politics and that the 'immoral liberals' had been cast by the wayside. He was wrong. Idiotically wrong. So are you.
FF is right. Extremes in either direction are bad for everyone. Middle of the road is the only reasonable way to think (and vote as far as I'm concerned) but clearly it was time for change. I'm pleased.
Candidates (of all flavors) get elected by trying to paint themselves as moderates.
You sound like my Republican father after the 1994 elections. He said the Democratic party was done and wouldn't recover. That the revolution had started a new era of politics and that the 'immoral liberals' had been cast by the wayside. He was wrong. Idiotically wrong. So are you.
except that i said none of that
politics moves in waves and as nauseating as it is to think about it there will be a republican storm again some day...but that storm wont include GWB and last night ensured that his monarchy is over...i never thought there would ever be a worse president than ronald reagan but bush gave him a run for his money...fortunately that run is all but over
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 08:36:11 AM
the republican 'party' is over....and not a second too soon.....
This is what I was referring to. If you were just being 'funny' my apologies.
i also wanna laugh (and then spit) in this bald headed chumps face
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6376549
This is what I was referring to. If you were just being 'funny' my apologies.
perhaps someone in the class could explain to rjs why i put the word party in quotes
im a dumb motherfarger but even i know what they mean
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Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 09:52:38 AM
politics moves in waves and as nauseating as it is to think about it there will be a republican storm again some day...but that storm wont include GWB and last night ensured that his monarchy is over...i never thought there would ever be a worse president than ronald reagan but bush gave him a run for his money...fortunately that run is all but over
1. It may not include GwB, but it will include other bible-thumping, brown-people-bombing morons empowered by a power-happy Leftist movement that makes people in America sick of Democrats once again.
2. As much as Reagan is romanticized by Conservatives, FDR is the same by Liberals. Both represent the worst-case scenario in that they were wildly charasmatic and popular and overspent to the point of indebting the country for years and years to come with wild bureaucracies that a reasonable amount of tax dollars cannot afford.
Thumping the anti-Bush drum rightfully worked in this election, but the long-term plans and "solutions" (or lack thereof) of the new Congressional majority and politicans and legislators in general will be business as usual. The average American will be paying too many taxes to an inefficient and bought-and-sold Federal government. No real change ever takes place, and it won't as long as Joe average dumbass can't realize the difference between switching from one flavor of corruption to another and actually effecting change in society.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 10:07:47 AM
This is what I was referring to. If you were just being 'funny' my apologies.
perhaps someone in the class could explain to rjs why i put the word party in quotes
im a dumb motherfarger but even i know what they mean
Yep, I'm a retard. Carry on.
A guy just stopped by my desk to tell me that the terrorists won and that the terrorists will be celebrating in the streets. I really can't stand these political beliefs that if the other side wins, it is the end of the world. Amazing.
seriously, the new girl in my office told me that she's sick to her stomach today because of the elections yesterday. too bad she's so effing hot.
Quote from: Philly_Crew on November 08, 2006, 10:54:44 AM
I really can't stand these political beliefs that if the other side wins, it is the end of the world. Amazing.
Exactly, or vice versa... that one side winning will actually be exciting and good. Around and around the carousel goes, and it never ever stops.
A guy just stopped by my desk to tell me that the terrorists won and that the terrorists will be celebrating in the streets.
bush is the uncle sam poster for terrorist recruitment
I chuckled at the thought of rjs espousing moderation in anything.
Yeah, I'm sure the terrorists will just stop hating America if we go Democrat across the board and just let them be.
Idiots at 60 Minutes ask Nancy Pelosi if Congress will impeach Bush & Cheney. (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/free?cn=60+minutes&mid=1137339','playerWindow','width=793,height=608,scrollbars=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,status=no,menubar=no'));)
:-D
Loved her reaction and last comments - "turning them into lame ducks is good enough for me."
:yay
right remember its this admin that advertises the terrorists want to take our freedom away. there is nothing farther than the truth. the terrorists want us out of their countries. get it straight. america is so fargin retarted to believe their shtein. OH and there is oil there too, but thats just an economic benfit of war! yea! we win! meanwhile the boards of these oil companies, and other corporations that are rebuilding iraq are getting rich while the american people's tax dollars are funding the post war effort. hey i'd gladly pay more taxes to help straighten things up on our own soil than help support a failing effort in the middle east. it is all a waste. when we pull out it will go straight to hell again. history repeats itself. thank this admin for not having a plan, thank them for not listening to the world and just going right in before thinking about the aftermath. oh well, a few select iceholes are getting rich off it. meanwhile africa has thousands dying everyday due to disease and genocide, but we could care less because there is no econimic benefit. wow. thats very christian of us isn't it Georgie? Wasn't it you who strategically became a born-again evangelical right before your campaign started? HAHA! WOW! Keep drinking the kool aid. rant over......
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Exactly, or vice versa... that one side winning will actually be exciting and good. Around and around the carousel goes, and it never ever stops.
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Thats it in a nutshell. Does anyone actually think anything is going to change? Howard Dean (Chairman of the DNC) actually said last night that taxes will not change, and that their Iraq policy will be to "stabilize the situation, then try to pull out." How is that any different than what we already had??
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 08, 2006, 11:16:09 AM
[quote author=FFatPatt link=topic=19180.msg467029#msg467029
Exactly, or vice versa... that one side winning will actually be exciting and good. Around and around the carousel goes, and it never ever stops.
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Thats it in a nutshell. Does anyone actually think anything is going to change? Howard Dean (Chairman of the DNC) actually said last night that taxes will not change, and that their Iraq policy will be to "stabilize the situation, then try to pull out." How is that any different than what we already had??
Well if Howard Dean said it.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE)
Nothing will change because the fargtard in the White House is still there.
If the Democrats had control of the H.O.R & Senate as well as the White House, then things would shift dramatically in this country.
As it is, there's going to be gridlock for the next two years but gridlock is better than what we've had for the past six years, that's for damn sure.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 11:20:25 AM
If the Democrats had control of the H.O.R & Senate as well as the White House, then things would shift dramatically in this country.
Agreed. They'll increase income taxes on everyone above the poverty line (and probably some below), deflate the military to sub-peacetime proportions, and create goverment agencies and bureaucracies out the ass to "help people". As the average, working American realizes they aren't getting what they're paying for, they'll start to want their taxes lowered, and the Republicans will promise to lower them, and they'll get back in power and start bombing people again.
Around and around it goes. It will not stop as long as there are idiots that actually think they're fixing anything.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 07, 2006, 09:20:34 PM
Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.
(http://www.patreasury.org/images/robertcaseyjr.jpg)
I have 'Don't get fooled again' on my MP3 player right now! What an awesomly appropriate song.
Gridlock is good for the economy!
Bob Casey, Jr. is a much better fit for Pennsylvania. He's a moderate Democrat in a moderately Democratic state.
Santorum's daughters have no hope in life. Yuck. Fat fat fat.
Quote from: Father Demon on November 08, 2006, 12:23:30 AM
I voted Monday. We had paper ballots that you circled in the choice with a black pen. Decidedly low-tech.
Absentee voting is da bomb. No lines, no wait. I'll probably do this every election time, although this time was legit. I'm hanging in LA for a couple days.
Stupid people of Missouri voted to raise the state minimum wage higher than the US minimum wage (plus annual increases) in every single demographic. Missouri is one of the lowest cost of living areas in the nation, yet these people think that it's smartest to raise the cost of manufacturing and services across the board.
Yay inflation!
Man I'm all for raising minimum wage within reason but this particular bill was freaking idiotic. I can't believe that passed.
Stem Cell Research passed though. So there was something smart there.
That stupid cigarette tax was also shot down.
That part of me that was a fiscal conservative was actually pleased when Bush got elected in 2000. I figured that if the GOP gained control of the Legislative & Executive Branches, taxes and spending would be cut.
Then something amazing happened: Bush turned into Lyndon Johnson (butter and guns - lotsa guns!).
Someone has to reign in spending in this country. I honestly don't give a damn if they raise taxes modestly to cover social security, infrastructure and defense, but the pork spending that goes on is more damaging to this country than anything else. Our asses are getting further and further in debt and no amount of economic expansion can correct that.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 11:20:25 AM
Nothing will change because the fargtard in the White House is still there.
If the Democrats had control of the H.O.R & Senate as well as the White House, then things would shift dramatically in this country.
Even if the Dems win the presidency in 2008 (which I think they will with a Gore-Obama ticket) there will be no "dramatic" change.
1.) We are stuck in Iraq, and no one has the political will to do what it will take to get us out or win (that goes for both parties).
2.) Taxes will be raised on everyone (not just the rich) and we'll all fight about it while the uber-rich sit back and laugh at us. The top tax bracket starts at $336,500 for a single person. Why the farg are we arguing over minuscule percentage points between 25k and 150k? The estate tax? I would love to see it come back, but the Dems don't have the political will to pass it.
3.) The economy is strong and an increase in the minimum wage won't hurt it (it should have been done a long time ago). Does anyone think the Dems can lower the unemployment rate from 4.4% or bring back high paying manufacturing jobs?
4.) Most of the Dem "gains" last night were won by moderates.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 11:37:56 AM
That part of me that was a fiscal conservative was actually pleased when Bush got elected in 2000. I figured that if the GOP gained control of the Legislative & Executive Branches, taxes and spending would be cut.
Then something amazing happened: Bush turned into Lyndon Johnson (butter and guns - lotsa guns!).
Someone has to reign in spending in this country. I honestly don't give a damn if they raise taxes modestly to cover social security, infrastructure and defense, but the pork spending that goes on is more damaging to this country than anything else. Our asses are getting further and further in debt and no amount of economic expansion can correct that.
Yes. Me too.
Yep. Douche.
Hell yes.
The fact that I agree with your post so much is intriguing, considering how much you were trumpeting the leftist extreme a la IGY throughout this thread until now. Weirdo.
Would Gore really run again in 2008?
Who else would we be looking at as candidates? The talking heads on TV keep saying that Santorum and Allen could run despite losing yesterday. Would we see Giuliani on the GOP ticket?
Guess this is as good a place as any to bring it up, but did anyone catch The Daily Show/Colbert Report Midterm Midtacular last night? Funny shtein. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 12:05:12 PM
Who else would we be looking at as candidates? The talking heads on TV keep saying that Santorum and Allen could run despite losing yesterday. Would we see Giuliani on the GOP ticket?
The 4 names I heard as top contenders for the Repubs last night were McCain, Gingrich, Giuliani, and Romney.
Santorum has precisely zero chance at a nomination.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 08, 2006, 12:05:56 PM
Guess this is as good a place as any to bring it up, but did anyone catch The Daily Show/Colbert Report Midterm Midtacular last night? Funny shtein. :-D
Watched it until I got to fall asleep around 11:20. Good stuff. I like how they said Santorum got "raptured".
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/110806_clinton_hillary.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2006, 11:45:11 AM
The fact that I agree with your post so much is intriguing, considering how much you were trumpeting the leftist extreme a la IGY throughout this thread until now. Weirdo.
Fiscal conservative, social liberal, FF.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 12:05:12 PM
Would Gore really run again in 2008?
Who else would we be looking at as candidates? The talking heads on TV keep saying that Santorum and Allen could run despite losing yesterday. Would we see Giuliani on the GOP ticket?
Santorum is done on the national stage and Giuliani scares the shtein out of moderates because of his track record in New York. Allen's a hick from the south. I think America has had enough of them.
I'd vote for McCain right now if he ran. I'd follow him through the gates of Hell, actually. :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 12:29:37 PM
Fiscal conservative, social liberal, FF.
Fiscal conservation, social stay-the-hell-out-of-my life here.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 12:32:50 PM
I'd vote for McCain right now if he ran. I'd follow him through the gates of Hell, actually. :yay
I like McCain in many ways, but I think that ultimately, he's unelectable because he has a few screws loose. Personally, I like it, but the masses always migrate to someone "safer". I just hope Gingrich doesn't sniff a nomination.
If Jeb Bush wins in 2008, I'm moving my family to New Zealand.
Zrsly.
The Democrats would have to seriously, seriously farg up in the next 2 years to allow a Bush to be elected in 2008.
I think all politicians are capable of idiocy, but Jeb Bush's political future is thankfully of minimal consequence.
That said, what's the job market like in New Zealand?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 12:05:12 PM
Would Gore really run again in 2008?
Sure. He has greatly improved his chances in the past couple years and can basically run on the platform of hey, I really won in 2000 and none of this would have happened if I had been President.
BTW, the domestic economy is actually doing OK right now, which kind of proves that the nation's economy goes in waves regardless of the party in power or governmental effects for the most part.
I'd vote for Gore roughly 83 times before I'd consider voting for Hillary. At least his platform is environmentally-centralized instead of outright Socialism. Plus, I think he's simply a better person with better intentions for use of his power.
However, the comedy of Bill Clinton back in the white house as the "first man" might be too much to resist.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2006, 12:50:27 PM
However, the comedy of Bill Clinton back in the white house as the "first man" might be too much to resist.
I would think term limits would prevent Hillary from becoming president again.
;D
Romney is a definite possibility...especially seeing what everybody else has to offer.
I would love to see Bill Clinton back in the whit house, even as first man. He is my idol.
However, I would never vote for Hillary. Women have a brian one third the size of ours. Its science.
You guys don't want to live in New Zealand or Australia. Great places to visit. 40% income tax.
That said, if 2008 is Hillary vs. Gingrich/Romney/Jeb I'll be doing everything I can to get the farg out of dodge too. Christ that would be awful.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2006, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2006, 12:50:27 PM
However, the comedy of Bill Clinton back in the white house as the "first man" might be too much to resist.
I would think term limits would prevent Hillary from becoming president again.
;D
Ha! She actually stepped down as soon as the election results came back in '94 and she realized her zesty ideas like that mess of a "universal" "health" care "plan" wouldn't fly, so she has less than two years under her belt and can run in 2008 and again in 2012 without constitutional issues.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 08, 2006, 12:53:19 PM
Romney is a definite possibility...especially seeing what everybody else has to offer.
...or doesn't have to offer, of course.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2006, 12:55:09 PM
You guys don't want to live in New Zealand or Australia. Great places to visit. 40% income tax.
That said, if 2008 is Hillary vs. Gingrich/Romney/Jeb I'll be doing everything I can to get the farg out of dodge too. Christ that would be awful.
I have just the place. (http://www.crimsonviewproperties.com/)
I've had enough of the Sons, Daughters, Wives, Husbands running for election thing myself. The candidate pool is so bad we've got to vote for family members? It's bad enough we've got former athletes and movie stars getting elected.
I guess the only qualification for office is to be able to quietly take a bribe and spin everything into the party platform.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2006, 12:55:09 PM
You guys don't want to live in New Zealand or Australia. Great places to visit. 40% income tax.
I pay more than that now.
And the cost of living is a lot lower. At least, as far as I've been able to tell. I'll let you know better in a month or two.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2006, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2006, 12:55:09 PM
You guys don't want to live in New Zealand or Australia. Great places to visit. 40% income tax.
I pay more than that now.
2nd.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 08, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
And the cost of living is a lot lower. At least, as far as I've been able to tell. I'll let you know better in a month or two.
The big problem there is all the friggin' poisonous critters.
There's poisonous critters here, too. And you see them about as as often as you do there. Probably the deadliest thing I saw the last time I was there was a house cat.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 08, 2006, 01:20:25 PM
There's poisonous critters here, too. And you see them about as as often as you do there. Probably the deadliest thing I saw the last time I was there was a house cat.
Those are some terrifying creatures! Next time you see one, shoot it.
Probably a preemptive assassination. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15622299/)
Now-Former Attorney General John Ashcroft lost a U.S. Senate race to a dead man a few years back. That's a slightly bigger story than a County Commissioner race in SD.
But no less amusing... :-D
Bush: "It was a thumpin'. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/08/061108185622.1vbexy9n.html)"
(http://www.breitbart.com/images/2006/10/8/061108185622.1vbexy9n/SGE.JVF60.081106184949.photo00.quicklook.default-197x245.jpg)
He actually meant, "it was something."
one down two to go
the only pulling out in the chaney family will be his lezzie daugther's strap on inside her lovers vagine.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 02:59:39 PM
one down two to go
Rove and Cheney?
Rumor has it UN Ambassador Bolton is out next.
Bolton should be fired for that mustache. Who told him that looked good?
I hate Bolton. Please go.
No. It WAS a good name. Until that no talent ass clown started making albums and winning Grammies
Why should I change? He's the one that sucks!
PC load letter? What the farg does that mean?
^^^My favorite line from that movie because I had basically said the same thing at work earlier in the day before seeing the movie........even though it was almost a year after the movie came out.
AP reporting that Webb has indeed won VA.
I remember thinking, after the '94 elections, that there was no way in heck that Clinton would ever be reelected.
The democrats definitely took the day yesterday, but they have to show that they can effectively lead the nation from Congress. Fight hard for core values, but if they tie up the government by getting into a pissing match with Bush, they could end up losing out in the next cycle.
I still think that the Democrats have a huge advantage in the '08 Presidential race, unless they run Hillary. The hate factor for Hillary may galvanize the conservative base enough to rouse a Republican rally. Or unless they do something even more stupid, like running Howard Dean. I like Obama a lot, but he may still be too much a neophyte to be a leading candidate. I wouldn't think that Gore or Kerry will get the nod again, but stranger things have happened. Edwards may stick his hat in the ring as well.
The Republicans will more than likely field a tepid, center-right candidate to try to distance themselves from GWB. To this point, Jeb Bush has said he was not interested in running (I know, that could change faster than Mark Foley's orientation). McCain may well get his chance to run, unless he does something stupid between now and spring '08, which is likely. Giuliani may be too much a moderate to get a nomination, though that is precisely the type of candidate that would be needed to run in this cycle. The rest of the candidates are a mish mash of mediocrity. Gingrich would spice things up, but I wouldn't think he has a chance in the current climate.
From this very early vantage point, I would believe that the Democrats are likely to win the Presidency in 2008.
The following list of possible candidated is from Wikipedia:
Democratic Party
Announced candidates for the Democratic Party:
Senator Joe Biden of Delaware (Unite Our States PAC)
Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut (Senate page)
Former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska (Campaign Site)
Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest
Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (All America PAC)
Retired General Wesley Clark of Arkansas (WesPAC - Securing America)
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York (HILLPAC)
Former Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota (New Leadership for America PAC)
Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina (One America Committee)
Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin (Progressive Patriots Fund)
Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts (Keeping America's Promise)
Senator Barack Obama of Illinois (HOPEFUND PAC)
Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico (Moving America Forward PAC)
Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa (Heartland PAC)
Republican Party
Announced candidates for the Republican Party:
John H. Cox of Illinois (Campaign Site)
Michael Charles Smith of Oregon (Campaign Site)
Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest:
Senator George Allen of Virginia (Good Government for America Committee)
Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas (Restore America PAC)
Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee (Volunteer PAC)
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City (Solutions America PAC)
Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska (Sandhills PAC)
Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas (Hope for America PAC)
Representative Duncan Hunter of California (Peace Through Strength PAC)
Senator John McCain of Arizona (Straight Talk America)
Governor George Pataki of New York (21st Century Freedom PAC)
Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (The Commonwealth PAC)
Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado (Team America PAC)
Former Governor Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin (Forward America PAC)
I wouldn't mind Joe Biden winning...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 09:49:47 PM
I wouldn't mind Joe Biden winning...
He already has all his speechwriting done.
I have no idea what the guy is about, but I kind of think it would be interesting to have a President Cox.
Looking at that list of candidates I see that they are mostly senators. Only two senators in US history have made a direct jump from the senate to the white house. JFK and Harding.
I keep thinking that there will be a Govenor or three who emerge closer to the elections. I think it's all about peaking at the right time for those who would be king.
jim webb with the line of the election....
"Allen says democracy is wonderful, and every vote should count. I agree. Thing is, they counted the votes, and we won."
I agree. I also agreed in 2000 when it was the other way around with the Presidential race.
except the votes that counted in 2000 were those of katheleen harris and the supreme court justices
as opposed to say the blacks in florida that were told to go to wrong polling locations
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 01:10:11 PM
as opposed to say the blacks in florida that were told to go to wrong polling locations
That is one of the more farged up stories that I remember hearing from Florida from that election and nothing ever happened with it. No huge investigations. No publicity beyond that first week. Nothing. Seems like it would have been bigger news if accurate.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 01:27:09 PM
Seems like it would have been bigger news if accurate.
Right.
Why would it have been bigger news? It's not a missing white chick. It's not a dead celebrity. Its just poor black people whining about not getting their vote. That doesn't sell ads.
What does GE have to gain in publishing that story on its various news sites? Or Murdoch? Nothing. The only places you find real reporting on the voting crap is alternative and small media, and of course Rumors on the Internets, through the Google. Ohio was all farged up too, but that got very little play.
So long as the irregularities occur in poor, minority, (hence liberal) districts, no national media is gonna give a damn.
I love stirring the pot.
I love teh pot.
Seems like it would have been bigger news if accurate.
why was it not accurate
because blacks lie
or because the brother of the president elect and the republican state house and the republican secretary of state of fla all refused to investigate it
for the record it did make the news...there were plenty stories about it...it just wasnt properly looked into
People like you and Dio are bigger racists than those you call out for being racists. FYI
youve been in north carolina for too long.....fyi
(http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6G0J%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXP0P%3F87KR6xqpxQQPPxGaexQolxv8uOc5xQQQoaaPenon0aqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,295,442)
Don't lump me in with igy, racist.
I hate white persons of no color.
Don't lump me in with igy
you know you love it
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 01:10:11 PM
as opposed to say the blacks in florida that were told to go to wrong polling locations
That is one of the more farged up stories that I remember hearing from Florida from that election and nothing ever happened with it. No huge investigations. No publicity beyond that first week. Nothing. Seems like it would have been bigger news if accurate.
As someone who has lived here for 15 years and has seen firsthand the way things work, trust me, it happened.
A lot.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 08, 2006, 09:46:08 PM
The following list of possible candidated is from Wikipedia:
Democratic Party
Announced candidates for the Democratic Party:
Senator Joe Biden of Delaware (Unite Our States PAC)
Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut (Senate page)
Former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska (Campaign Site)
Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest
Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (All America PAC)
Retired General Wesley Clark of Arkansas (WesPAC - Securing America)
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York (HILLPAC)
Former Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota (New Leadership for America PAC)
Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina (One America Committee)
Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin (Progressive Patriots Fund)
Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts (Keeping America's Promise)
Senator Barack Obama of Illinois (HOPEFUND PAC)
Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico (Moving America Forward PAC)
Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa (Heartland PAC)
Republican Party
Announced candidates for the Republican Party:
John H. Cox of Illinois (Campaign Site)
Michael Charles Smith of Oregon (Campaign Site)
Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest:
Senator George Allen of Virginia (Good Government for America Committee)
Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas (Restore America PAC)
Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee (Volunteer PAC)
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City (Solutions America PAC)
Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska (Sandhills PAC)
Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas (Hope for America PAC)
Representative Duncan Hunter of California (Peace Through Strength PAC)
Senator John McCain of Arizona (Straight Talk America)
Governor George Pataki of New York (21st Century Freedom PAC)
Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (The Commonwealth PAC)
Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado (Team America PAC)
Former Governor Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin (Forward America PAC)
Well a lot can happen in two years. I really think that both parties have been going farther left and farther right. Of the list of Dems I'd vote for Clark or maybe Edwards. Never hillary, dean, edwards or daschle. Republicans would be smart to throw a guy like giuliani or mccain out there with a hardcore republican like gingrich as vp.
McCain is their new Powell. If they let him run, people that don't vote would go out just to vote for him. He's likable.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 09, 2006, 02:15:55 PM
Don't lump me in with igy, racist.
Naturally because I think the best course of action is to respect different cultures but generally treat people equally, I'm the racist. I prefer to accentuate the similarities and not the differences, but because I don't think we should hold the perverbial hands of certain minorities until they "catch up" or until the end of existence, whichever happens first, I'm natually the bad guy.
Bottom Line: You're a racist of the worst kind, because you do it under the guize of racial "sensitivity" like many Liberal-leaning people in the United States. Nauseating.
Ha.
Indeed.
White people listen to Enya and join book clubs.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 05:12:01 PM
White people listen to Enya and join book clubs.
You're in a book club, aren't you, whitebread?
What are you saying? That I'm halfway to being white? HIDE YOUR GOLD, BITCHES!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2006, 05:29:47 PM
What are you saying? That I'm halfway to being white? HIDE YOUR GOLD, BITCHES!
I don't listen to Enya, and I'm not in a book club. Hollaz.
I'm part of an audio book club and the stories have Enya music playing in the background. It's super.
I write Enya/Moby slashfic.
2008 Presidential Race officially begins (http://www.guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0,,1945383,00.html)
McCain mobilizing teams; gearing toward 2008 run (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2644481&page=1) :yay
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 11, 2006, 11:52:01 AM
McCain mobilizing teams; gearing toward 2008 run (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2644481&page=1) :yay
There's a fake "Vote for the new Prez" link provided in that article. So far, it's got Hillary Clinton leading, followed by McCain and Obama trailing by less than 30 votes and then Giuliani about 800 votes behind to round out the top 4.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/popup?id=2641512
Yeah, it's fake as hell but I seriously hope this doesn't even come close to reflecting the real thing in 2 years.
On a more humorous note, people have voted for "Other" more than 11 other nominees including John Kerry. "Other" is currently sitting in 9th place out of a possible 20 candidates. :-D
Stewart/Colbert 2008 :yay